End of discussion...

[JackStar]

I have been working as hard as I know how to work today to get this together.  This is a video from a camera by the warren east lab.  It shows (shockingly clearly) that the ball hit the ground in the endzone before Wright's body did.  Enjoy... tune into to channel 7 if you are not a believer.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2717016620649470349

[Implant Guy]

Is there a way to slow it down?

[sam]

Is that video gonna fit on a ring?

[JackStar]

Is that video gonna fit on a ring?

that doesn't make sense

Is there a way to slow it down?

um...the best thing I can tell you to do is try to pause it at the precise moment.  Here soon I'll try to get a screenshot up...I've gotten pretty good at stopping it at that point today....

[jackfan1™]

Well, that was pretty clear to me. It is obvious he dove and the ball hit the ground beyond the white stripe before any of his body hit the ground.
Sad thing is, it will never matter or make a difference other than to Warren's folks and few scattered supporters. But, the proof is in the pudding as they say and this is a big old bowl of pudding!

Thanks for your effort.

[Scrapper Slapper]

Too bad it doesn't matter.  You are right.  Great game Intangible!

[LJ06]

Good job Intangible!  Best evidence yet, Wright did cross before he was down.  Too bad it dosen't matter tho...

[sam]

We have a crack team of officials working on the review.  It looks like Warren may indeed get the call reversed once and for all.

[stina_ar]

Good video.

Why did you point out that the "BLACK JUDGE" called it?

[Scrapper Slapper]

We have a crack team of officials working on the review.  It looks like Warren may indeed get the call reversed once and for all.

What was that line from that commercial...the official is a donkey or something like that?

[jackfan1™]

Good video.

Why did you point out that the "BLACK JUDGE" called it?

BACk judge

[JackStar]

Good video.

Why did you point out that the "BLACK JUDGE" called it?

i believe it says "BACK"

[stina_ar]

Okay, thank you to everyone who pointed out my mistake.
Apparently, I'm semi-illiterate.

[HA_Fan]

That is HORRIBLE.  He's obviously in EVEN AT FULL SPEED.

Sorry, Warren.  I wish there was some recourse for you.

[JackStar]

Too bad it doesn't matter.  You are right.  Great game Intangible!

I really appreciate that and all of the other compliments.

[jackfan1™]

Okay, thank you to everyone who pointed out my mistake.
Apparently, I'm semi-illiterate.

Nah, it is what we fondly call "mental-pausal" moments.

[panther_pride]

I've watched it about thirty times and I've come to my conclusion... Wright dives for the endzone, pulls the ball back and lands... He then extends, NO GOOD. Just my opinion though... I might change my mind after I download it and slow it down.

[stina_ar]

Okay, thank you to everyone who pointed out my mistake.
Apparently, I'm semi-illiterate.

She's always got black on her mind. 

Tru dat

[JackStar]

I've watched it about thirty times and I've come to my conclusion... Wright dives for the endzone, pulls the ball back and lands... He then extends, NO GOOD. Just my opinion though... I might change my mind after I download it and slow it down.

how would the nashville player kick the ball out of his hand if he tucks it in....

[panther_pride]

I've watched it about thirty times and I've come to my conclusion... Wright dives for the endzone, pulls the ball back and lands... He then extends, NO GOOD. Just my opinion though... I might change my mind after I download it and slow it down.

how would the nashville player kick the ball out of his hand if he tucks it in....

I see that happening after he extends the final time.

[sam]

We've seen it from about 10 angles in pictures and videos and we are still somewhat split. How can we expect the official who got to see it once in regular speed to get it right?

I think he got in, I just think Warren fans think they are special and they are the only ones who have ever lost a big game on a blown call.

It happens, deal with it.

[hogwild31]

How in the heck did they not rule that good?  I have no ties to either team, but it is horrible to see Warren get screwed like that.  Warren Lumberjacks, the true 2006 4A State Champions

[PA Pressbox]

We have a crack team of officials working on the review.  It looks like Warren may indeed get the call reversed once and for all.

Hey, make up all of the vision jokes you want; but, let's don't accuse anyone of being on Crack!  You have absolutely no proof that there is crack inside that booth.

[A JETS MI MONK]

I hate to see that video and then know it wasn't ruled good.  Bummer for Warren.

[AirWarren]

every time i watch that video, it makes me sick to know that we got jipped... so its coming on channel 7?? i didnt know that.. i know julie did write them today though

[archaic]

I think it is pretty clear now.

[BringbckSingletary]

heres another link to the youtube version

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_HfPP1WnNRc

[RD™]

Wow.

In light of new evidence, its official Nashville's title is tainted.

[ARFan]

Great job John! a still shot from that video is on facebook if you want to add it on here.
That is proof of who really won...no whining about it.

Go Jacks...the REAL state champs!

[softyball]

I was able to stop the video as the ball would have broken the plane, and what keeps bugging me, is the angle of the QB at this point.  How can his knees not be dragging the ground?

[Orange rush]

that's an easy answer, because it makes all the scrapper haters and warren following feel better. 

[HA_Fan]

that's an easy answer, because it makes all the scrapper haters and warren following feel better. 

I wouldn't be so cocky about a game I won because of a bad call.

[Cambodian Midget]

I was able to stop the video as the ball would have broken the plane, and what keeps bugging me, is the angle of the QB at this point.  How can his knees not be dragging the ground?

Maybe because one second earlier he left his feet diving into the endzone?

Warren got completely screwed, everyone on here from Nashville that is defending the call with evidence 100% to the contrary should be ashamed of yourselves.



There is clearly visible turf under his knees, and the ball is a full ball-length into paydirt. 

[softyball]

I was able to stop the video as the ball would have broken the plane, and what keeps bugging me, is the angle of the QB at this point.  How can his knees not be dragging the ground?

Maybe because one second earlier he left his feet diving into the endzone?

Warren got completely screwed, everyone on here from Nashville that is defending the call with evidence 100% to the contrary should be ashamed of yourselves.

When you look closely at the image I posted, there is no way he is completely in the air,  look at the angle of his body.

[HA_Fan]

When you look closely at the image I posted, there is no way he is completely in the air,  look at the angle of his body.

Watch the video again.  He's completely in the air.

[seark66]

When you look closely at the image I posted, there is no way he is completely in the air,  look at the angle of his body.

You can see turf under him. He was in the air with possession of the football when he broke the plane of the endzone.

[Orange rush]

the only thing clear about that picture is there is nothing conclusive period.  The people with the best angle on the play made the call.  Here's an idea, how about if you leave it in the hands of someone to make a call you are 50/50, if he just runs into the endzone standing up or clearly makes it in no problem.

I'm proud that we are 28 in a row, there's nothing conclusive to prove otherwise.  Better Luck next time....

[seark66]

the only thing clear about that picture is there is nothing conclusive period.  The people with the best angle on the play made the call.  Here's an idea, how about if you leave it in the hands of someone to make a call you are 50/50, if he just runs into the endzone standing up or clearly makes it in no problem.

I'm proud that we are 28 in a row, there's nothing conclusive to prove otherwise.  Better Luck next time....

er...27 games and a title everyone outside of Howard County knows you shouldn't have.

[softyball]

When you look at the video, yes he looks like superman going in, but In the image I posted, he was nowhere near horizontal. 

[HA_Fan]

When you look at the video, yes he looks like superman going in, but In the image I posted, he was nowhere near horizontal. 

So do you go on a larger video that shows the entire play or a tiny still shot?

[jackfan1™]

I was able to stop the video as the ball would have broken the plane, and what keeps bugging me, is the angle of the QB at this point.  How can his knees not be dragging the ground?

Look at his toes.
They are plainly visible.
While that might not mean much to a  casual observer, let me explain from my experience of years of dance, karate, and cheerleading. Before you laugh it off, there is a valid kinetic link. If you notice, his toes are pointed and both feet appear evenly spaced in relation to each other. It is not physically possible to point your toes evenly with your other foot if one of your knees is bent. To touch the ground from the plane his body is on, he would have had to  bend his leg, either from the knee or hip.
Again, phoo phoo it all you want but you can verify this information with anyone who has spent years observing this very position since it is a crucial movement in dance, cheer moves, and yes, even in karate. One of the scoring points in these competitions is keeping the feet together, toes pointed. I know this may sound silly and "stretching" to those who want to discredit the claim but it goes beyond that if you just look at it with unbiased eyes. You can even prove it to yourself. Put a mat on the floor, take a running start, project your body forward and stretch your arms out. You cannot touch the floor with your knees unless you break your projection. If you do that your hands will be one of the last things to hit.
Regardless of whether you believe he scored the point, the body is designed a certain way and this video shows his toes pointed, feet were unilateral, and his hands hit the ground first. In this case, it just happened to be over a little white line on the field.......then his body followed the trajectory and he landed on his stomach and legs. Like diving in a pool......your hands hit first, then the rest of you. If your knee hits first, you do a belly flop.

And I agree, this has been picked to death but in all honesty, I understand why.

[Orange rush]

people in warren or picked warren to win are the only people that are soooooo positive that he was in. Any neutral parties would say that the evidence is no where close to conclusive, anyway all the record books show nashville at 28. Tired of this argument, i'm not going to change anyone mind, and my mind is made up, and history will agree with me.

[seark66]

So do you go on a larger video that shows the entire play or a tiny still shot?

When you are searching for ways to defend your tainted title...you go on a tiny still shot.

[A JETS MI MONK]

What about all the people who said they had no dog in the race yet keep saying that Warren won?

[softyball]

So do you go on a larger video that shows the entire play or a tiny still shot?

When you are searching for ways to defend your tainted title...you go on a tiny still shot.

This is Warrens Video, at exactly the size presented.  You cannot argue about the angle of his body, regardless of the size of the image.

[JackStar]

So do you go on a larger video that shows the entire play or a tiny still shot?

When you are searching for ways to defend your tainted title...you go on a tiny still shot.

This is Warrens Video, at exactly the size presented.  You cannot argue about the angle of his body, regardless of the size of the image.

well...stay tuned to channel 7... the shot won't be so small then...

[HA_Fan]

people in warren or picked warren to win are the only people that are soooooo positive that he was in. Any neutral parties would say that the evidence is no where close to conclusive,

As I stated earlier.  I am not from or for either town/school.  I know 2 people from Nashville and none from Warren.  I have not seen either team play in person.  I did not make a prediction.  I expected a tight game.  I have absolutely no stake in this.

The video is very clear.  The ball crosses the plane while his entire body is in the air.  If it's that obvious in an online video, I would love to see it on a TV.

anyway all the record books show nashville at 28.

I'm guessing it will end up higher than that.

my mind is made up

That's obvious.

and history will agree with me.

I doubt it.

This is the type of call that brought about instant replay in the NFL and NCAA.  There is nothing worse than a game-changing mistake by an official in a championship game.

[ljmom]

I didn't have an opinion, one way or another, until I saw the video.  It looks like Jay was in. 

For the Nashville fans who say that the ONLY people who agree are Warren fans, and those who picked Warren to win.... Explain the posters who have CHANGED their opinions, or just made up their minds about the play,  AFTER viewing the video. 

It doesn't look like the call was that difficult either.  I saw it in one viewing at full speed.  I don't see how anyone who was "right on top of the play" could have missed it, unless they weren't paying attention or had other motives.

[LJ06]

hey intangible...when do u think it'll be on channel 7?

[Night Train]

Just watched the video of the two point conversion try. Oh, my! I have no reason to pick one of these teams over the other, but the kid from Warren scored. That was an awful call.