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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2019, 02:15:06 pm »
No where in my response did I say that it was ok for an athlete to disrespect a ref!!  Have no clue as to where you got that from. My kids better not ever do what you discribed because the coach will be the least of their worries!  But if you would have read my post it is about accountability of the refs!!  They will miss calls, it happens, but when they consistently miss calls not only in one game but multiple games there needs to be someone in AAA to correct them. These are not summer league or church league volunteer officials they are getting paid to do a job, PERIOD!!  Most of these refs go to the same schools multiple times a season and itís the same ole same ole every game, NOTHING IS GETTING CORRECTED!!  There is a way to grade officials states surrounding AR do it so why couldnít AAA figure a way to get it done. Maybe if AAA would spend as much time on this as they do breaking up all the classifications during the spring sports they could come up with a plan!!!!

exactly. when you are not held accountable, why want to get better?

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2019, 06:02:35 pm »
... But if you would have read my post it is about accountability of the refs!!  They will miss calls, it happens, but when they consistently miss calls not only in one game but multiple games there needs to be someone in AAA to correct them. These are not summer league or church league volunteer officials they are getting paid to do a job, PERIOD!!  Most of these refs go to the same schools multiple times a season and itís the same ole same ole every game, NOTHING IS GETTING CORRECTED!!  There is a way to grade officials states surrounding AR do it so why couldnít AAA figure a way to get it done. Maybe if AAA would spend as much time on this as they do breaking up all the classifications during the spring sports they could come up with a plan!!!!

As a referee, I can tell you you are absolutely correct in that AAA is NOT a source of correction, instruction, remediation - anything of benefit for referee development. 

Over the years, I have some useful interaction with my fellow referees and a few coaches - but NEVER anyone connected with the AAA as a referee assessor.  What is sad is AAA has the money to do this, but they do NOT see a need on spending THEIR funds on referee development.  Think about how many referees retire from the various sports each year.  Some of them do eventually leave because the same now moves too fast for them to keep up but these referees can be invaluable assets for teaching and mentoring referees.

Think AAA has taken even a single step in that direction?   

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2019, 08:34:24 pm »
You know what I think would take care of this whole situation? A shot clock!

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2019, 08:45:05 pm »
Youth sports is doomed! Lanny started this thread pointing out the obnoxious behavior of some fans (Parents) is chasing refs away to the point there is a shortage. The thread has evolved into "We need stricter evaluations of refs", Brilliant! When your facing a shortage the best thing to do is make it more inconvenient and difficult for people to do. Give it a few more say's and the suggestions will be "Cut their pay" or "Force them to clean out the gym after everyone has left". The last few post here are exhibit A in "Your missing the point people". 

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2019, 10:32:16 pm »
Do refs make mistakes.  Yes.  How often do those mistakes determine the outcome?

Went and watched a 7th grade girls basketball game and could tell during the first minute of warm ups that the visiting team was going to hand it to us.  Less than 5 minutes into the game one of our parents was ejected arguing about a no-call.  Other parents continued to ride the refs as we got beat by about 30pts.  I honestly donít think I agreed with a single argument from any of the hecklers (yes I probably didnít see everything so I imagine that someone had a valid ďargumentĒ), the other team had better coaching, was more athletic, more skilled and out hustled us - I felt for the kids as their parents were making fools out of themselves.  It seems it is hard for some to stomach the fact that sometimes the other team is just better.

After going through travel softball and soccer, a reoccurring theme was parents trying to coach from the stands and I was surprised by how many did not know the rules - they would argue something that someone else mentioned and they just latched onto it.  Parents spending thousands of dollars for their kid to participate on a travel team so in their mind the stakes are ďhigherĒ on a Saturday afternoon in June and are more apt to argue every call because of how much time and money has been invested. 

Had a rec soccer parent come watch a classic soccer game (that would be like a Rec/C parent watching Class A or Majors) and they asked why the parents were being so quiet.  Yes there was encouragement, just very little to no complaining about every call - blew their mind.

Should there be a grading scale or some form of accountability for refs?  Yep and you wonder why there isnít any - if in fact there isnít a system in place.

Taking the ďparent factorĒ out of the equation, another issue for someone looking to become a ref is availability.  I donít know very many people that can take off work at 2:00 four days a week for months in order to ref 3-4 games a night.

The banning of the instigating parent/fan/coach for a specific timeframe is about the only thing that has really gained traction nationwide as having an impact.



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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2019, 12:11:18 pm »
Youth sports is doomed! Lanny started this thread pointing out the obnoxious behavior of some fans (Parents) is chasing refs away to the point there is a shortage. The thread has evolved into "We need stricter evaluations of refs", Brilliant! When your facing a shortage the best thing to do is make it more inconvenient and difficult for people to do. Give it a few more say's and the suggestions will be "Cut their pay" or "Force them to clean out the gym after everyone has left". The last few post here are exhibit A in "Your missing the point people".

I mentioned evaluation of refs by coaches and ADs earlier but I will add only if coaches and ADs get together and think there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Fans' (parents of players are still just fans......rears in the seat) opinion of the state of officiating in Ark HS sports is not what matters.  Can't use fans (mob mentality) to gauge the state of officiating.

To the original OP, I get it but it will take the coaches and administrators to address their fan base.  Most will laugh or just thumb their nose at the AAA telling them to "cool it."  And the schools need to make it sound as though it is coming from them, someone the fans can respect.  Not just a note sent down from the AAA.


Is there still "blackballed" for officials?
I had a sibling that coached for 30 years and I don't remember it being called that term specifically but come tournament time he and the AD definitely had a voice if there was one that they were dead set against calling their games.
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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2019, 02:19:19 pm »
Youth sports is doomed! Lanny started this thread pointing out the obnoxious behavior of some fans (Parents) is chasing refs away to the point there is a shortage. The thread has evolved into "We need stricter evaluations of refs", Brilliant! When your facing a shortage the best thing to do is make it more inconvenient and difficult for people to do. Give it a few more say's and the suggestions will be "Cut their pay" or "Force them to clean out the gym after everyone has left". The last few post here are exhibit A in "Your missing the point people".

I think you're missing the point of some of the responses.  I think everyone is in agreement that parents need to cool it.  But ....... it also has been pointed out that these men/women are paid to do a very important job.  Most every state has a plan to evaluate and improve their officials.   Not Arkansas.  So sometimes, or even often,  under qualified officials are blowing the whistle during games that are pretty significant.  A couple of officials have even stated such in this thread. 
The AAA needs to not throw these people to wolves, without supporting them to get better.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2019, 11:10:23 pm »
I think you're missing the point of some of the responses.  I think everyone is in agreement that parents need to cool it.  But ....... it also has been pointed out that these men/women are paid to do a very important job.  Most every state has a plan to evaluate and improve their officials.   Not Arkansas.  So sometimes, or even often,  under qualified officials are blowing the whistle during games that are pretty significant.  A couple of officials have even stated such in this thread. 
The AAA needs to not throw these people to wolves, without supporting them to get better.
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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2019, 06:08:29 am »
Most of the "bad" calls went against their favorite team....I love the call it on both ends...when it's the first foul call they've received and they're in the bonus.

My pet peeve with officials(and im not vocal at games) is the no call on the foul that could be classified as assault(LoL), but then calling a touch foul 30 foot from the goal.
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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2019, 08:47:32 am »
I heard an interesting idea yesterday about this. Some places are implementing a policy that states if a parent of a player gets ejected from an athletic contest, the head coach of that team also gets ejected at the same time. So they are attaching the parents' behavior to the coach as well. Would be a big incentive for the head coach to keep his parents under control.

This is not being done at the high school level, I should add. This is a policy being used at the rec league level. But I think it would be interesting to see used at the high school level. You'd probably see some pretty interesting exchanges between coaches and parents during games. Haha

 
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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2019, 10:02:58 am »
I heard an interesting idea yesterday about this. Some places are implementing a policy that states if a parent of a player gets ejected from an athletic contest, the head coach of that team also gets ejected at the same time. So they are attaching the parents' behavior to the coach as well. Would be a big incentive for the head coach to keep his parents under control.

This is not being done at the high school level, I should add. This is a policy being used at the rec league level. But I think it would be interesting to see used at the high school level. You'd probably see some pretty interesting exchanges between coaches and parents during games. Haha

That's ridiculous, people are responsible for their own actions.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2019, 11:33:43 am »
I heard an interesting idea yesterday about this. Some places are implementing a policy that states if a parent of a player gets ejected from an athletic contest, the head coach of that team also gets ejected at the same time. So they are attaching the parents' behavior to the coach as well. Would be a big incentive for the head coach to keep his parents under control.

This is not being done at the high school level, I should add. This is a policy being used at the rec league level. But I think it would be interesting to see used at the high school level. You'd probably see some pretty interesting exchanges between coaches and parents during games. Haha

That's a great idea, I love that. All it would take is one preseason meeting where the coach explains the rule to the parents, "If you get tossed, I get tossed, your kid gets humiliated and you become public enemy number 1 among the entire school. You still want to act like an idiot"?

With all the talk about the Rams/Saints no call  I'm reminded about the famous Joe Montana quote, granted he was talking about football but I feel it applies here as well. He said "In my entire life I have never seen a game where the refs determined the outcome, neither has anyone else" TRUTH.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2019, 03:54:49 pm »
In a rec league it is the parents job to keep their parents under control, and most rec leagues have you sign something saying you are responsible. At a high school game it is not the coaches responsibility at all, it is the administrator on duty that is responsible for the crowd but I fully agree this is not being done at most schools.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2019, 10:43:10 pm »
That's a great idea, I love that. All it would take is one preseason meeting where the coach explains the rule to the parents, "If you get tossed, I get tossed, your kid gets humiliated and you become public enemy number 1 among the entire school. You still want to act like an idiot"?

With all the talk about the Rams/Saints no call  I'm reminded about the famous Joe Montana quote, granted he was talking about football but I feel it applies here as well. He said "In my entire life I have never seen a game where the refs determined the outcome, neither has anyone else" TRUTH.
And then the parent who's son is not getting enough playing time can get the coach thrown out. Coaches should control the players, administrators need to control the stands. 

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2019, 10:55:39 pm »
And then the parent who's son is not getting enough playing time can get the coach thrown out. Coaches should control the players, administrators need to control the stands.

That parent would likely be subjected to some retribution from other parents.......


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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2019, 08:55:41 am »
And then the parent who's son is not getting enough playing time can get the coach thrown out. Coaches should control the players, administrators need to control the stands.

I think implementing that policy in high school would force administrators to control the parents so their coach would not get thrown out. The stakes get higher, therefore admin would have to step in and actually do the job of controlling parents (which is what they should be doing) leaving the coach to do his/her job.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2019, 04:34:34 pm »
I watched an official give a bench warning last night because the players on the bench stood up when a teammate hit a 3.  They did not go on the floor.  They were not talking.  They were not even cheering.  They just stood up when the kid shot the 3 point shot. 

Ref stopped the game, officially warned the bench, and then told the coach that if any of his players stood back up the rest of the game, he would call a technical foul. 

Then a fan got thrown out of the game for yelling about the official forcing the kids (which were absolutely behaving appropriately) to sit in the corner. 



 

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2019, 04:37:56 pm »
That is the problem certain officials just want be heard and seen. Nea has several of those.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2019, 05:16:45 pm »
I watched an official give a bench warning last night because the players on the bench stood up when a teammate hit a 3.  They did not go on the floor.  They were not talking.  They were not even cheering.  They just stood up when the kid shot the 3 point shot. 

Ref stopped the game, officially warned the bench, and then told the coach that if any of his players stood back up the rest of the game, he would call a technical foul. 

Okay, hold on.  You HAVE to be missing some important piece of information here.
Can you verify this? 

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2019, 07:05:57 pm »
Okay, hold on.  You HAVE to be missing some important piece of information here.
Can you verify this?

Definitely DIDNíT miss anything. Was sitting 6í behind the bench and heard the entire exchange between the coach and the ref. Can I verify it?  Not beyond noting that I was there and witnessed it personally ó I donít have access to the teams Hudl account and therefore canít post video. It was at a 4A-3 game with probably 1,500 in attendance between Southside and Valley View.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2019, 09:41:36 am »
The refs were definitely in the right by doing what they did!!  No way should a team stand up and cheer on their teammates!!  Coaches and players should remain in their seats at all times and show absolutely no emotion at all!!!  What in the world were those high school kids thinking, just unbelievable that they did that!!!  Just glad that ref put that unruly fan in their place, whew that made everything a ok!!

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2019, 11:01:39 am »
I watched an official give a bench warning last night because the players on the bench stood up when a teammate hit a 3.  They did not go on the floor.  They were not talking.  They were not even cheering.  They just stood up when the kid shot the 3 point shot. 

Ref stopped the game, officially warned the bench, and then told the coach that if any of his players stood back up the rest of the game, he would call a technical foul. 

Then a fan got thrown out of the game for yelling about the official forcing the kids (which were absolutely behaving appropriately) to sit in the corner.

Is there any history there between the team/coach/fans and the ref?  I remember in high school (several years ago) our student section being warned prior to games about our conduct, and the ref stating that this was our only warning, next would be technical fouls and getting tossed.  Our Superintendent started sitting with the students after this.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2019, 11:46:29 am »
Definitely DIDNíT miss anything. Was sitting 6í behind the bench and heard the entire exchange between the coach and the ref. Can I verify it?  Not beyond noting that I was there and witnessed it personally ó I donít have access to the teams Hudl account and therefore canít post video. It was at a 4A-3 game with probably 1,500 in attendance between Southside and Valley View.

I was not there either so all of this is speculation on my part BUT for a referee to turn and take action like this to (toward) a bench I would think something must have been said by someone on the bench.  I would hope there is more to this BUT I cannot know that. 

As an aside, I would hope your coach has a discussion with the assignor about this situation.

The optics of this are not positive (and that is an understatement).  But if situations like this are never properly addressed, they won't be discussed by the folks who really need to do so. 

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2019, 05:57:23 pm »
Is there any history there between the team/coach/fans and the ref?  I remember in high school (several years ago) our student section being warned prior to games about our conduct, and the ref stating that this was our only warning, next would be technical fouls and getting tossed.  Our Superintendent started sitting with the students after this.

Nope. VV just moved into 4A, so thereís no rivalry, and this was maybe the second time Iíve seen the ref that gave the warning in 10 years. Fans on both sides were loud, but not disruptive (until after the bench warning) and this was in an arena that seats well north of 3k.

I have no idea what his deal was, and he certainly didnít explain it to the coach, because I listened to the conversation. Either way, parents and fans continually get a bad rap for being harsh and negative, but I think the relative emotional delicacy of newer refs is as much to blame. They wouldnít have survived the gyms of 30 years ago.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2019, 02:57:38 pm »
AAA needs to get the schools to pay more to call the games.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2019, 10:50:46 pm »
FYI, I have since been told that there trchnically IS a rule mandated by AAA that would preclude the players of a team from standing to cheer at any time during a game. Stupid rule that is clearly never enforced, mind you, but apparently the ref was acting within his authority to be obnoxious.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2019, 10:42:10 am »
FYI, I have since been told that there trchnically IS a rule mandated by AAA that would preclude the players of a team from standing to cheer at any time during a game. Stupid rule that is clearly never enforced, mind you, but apparently the ref was acting within his authority to be obnoxious.

I've seen bench warnings been given up if they get to obnoxious

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2019, 03:27:47 pm »
I've seen bench warnings been given up if they get to obnoxious

Real talk:  the bench wasn't being obnoxious. The ref and the ball were on the opposite end of the floor. They just jumped up to cheer for a good play. Weren't out of their seats for more than 3 seconds and here comes the bench warning. But like I said, I have recently heard that there is a rule in place now saying that they're not supposed to do that. Just can't imagine a ref strictly enforcing it, that's all.

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #78 on: February 06, 2019, 06:56:48 pm »
Real talk:  the bench wasn't being obnoxious. The ref and the ball were on the opposite end of the floor. They just jumped up to cheer for a good play. Weren't out of their seats for more than 3 seconds and here comes the bench warning. But like I said, I have recently heard that there is a rule in place now saying that they're not supposed to do that. Just can't imagine a ref strictly enforcing it, that's all.

I know the coach well , she would not tolerate obnoxious behavior from her players on the floor, or the bench.
I would say the refs last game one where one of the teams bench got out of control, or he was just acting like an ....oh what is the first letter in the alphabet?  And that black thing in space that nothing can escape?   I just can't think of that word right now,,,..  ;D

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Re: From the AAA Dear Mom and Dad...........Cool it
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2019, 10:40:15 pm »
That's a great idea, I love that. All it would take is one preseason meeting where the coach explains the rule to the parents, "If you get tossed, I get tossed, your kid gets humiliated and you become public enemy number 1 among the entire school. You still want to act like an idiot"?

With all the talk about the Rams/Saints no call  I'm reminded about the famous Joe Montana quote, granted he was talking about football but I feel it applies here as well. He said "In my entire life I have never seen a game where the refs determined the outcome, neither has anyone else" TRUTH.
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