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I suspect this is tossed out each year so why should this year be any different. 

Look at the results from week 1 in the playoffs.  Far too many teams get in the playoffs and needlessly extend the season another week. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half. 
Every year the first week of the playoffs is pretty much a lop sided home affair. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half. 


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Combine 7a & 6a you mean where 24 of 32 teams make the playoffs lol

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I suspect this is tossed out each year so why should this year be any different. 

Look at the results from week 1 in the playoffs.  Far too many teams get in the playoffs and needlessly extend the season another week. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half. 
Every year the first week of the playoffs is pretty much a lop sided home affair. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half.


I don't necessarily disagree, but how then do you award the teams that finish 1 & 2 and get that valuable BYE week?

I look at this like I do college bowl season.   Only the New Year's Six really matter, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching teams that never play each other get a chance to play. 

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I would leave 5A alone.  In 2017 5A West there was a 4 way tie for first place, this year there was a 3 way tie for second and in 5A East there was a 5 way tie for first.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2018, 05:39:44 pm by DEVIL DOG HOG »

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Could you imagine a bowl season instead of playoffs?
Who would sponsor them and what matchups would they select?

The Hooten's Bowl: He gets to pick his two best teams? Maybe regardless of classification?
The Tyson Bowl: the top 1-4A team vs the top 2-4A or 8-4A, whichever has the better duck-hunting?
The possibilities are endless.

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Too many teams play in the playoffs.  How do you justifiy as a point of accomplishment, competition or just old fashioned earning the berth, 5 and 6 teams making the playoffs?  Is it about making more money or giving more schools an opportunity to have a playoff experience?  I share the feeling that as many kids as can should have that thrill, but too many teams playing with losing records seems to diminish the importance of making the playoff.
I know numbers is an issue in 6 & 7A football because there are only 16 schools in each class.  Maybe a better answer there would be to extend the regular season for those two classifications.  Each 6 & 7A team could play an extra game or two in the pre-conference season.  That would extend the season and keep the end of the playoffs in line with where they are now.  Eliminate the 5th seeds in the lower division and get it back to 4 from each conference.  Of better yet to 3 and host one round of high school bowl games.  Making the playoffs a real big deal when you make it there.

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The bowl game idea is intriguing....I mean let's face it 99% of the time a 3 seed isn't a legitimate threat for a state title....everyone wants a participation trophy or whatever, so have a say...Mansfield(3 seed from 3a-4) and Dardanelle(4 seed from the 4a-4) play in the River Valley Bowl. And do some other regional games 🤷

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Best thing to do 4A and below is go back to 8 conferences of 6 teams each and do away with the fifth seeds and the stupid byes. Top 4 seeds make it and you play till you lose.

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I could go for that actually....

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That's only 5 conference games, kinda short plus you have to schedule 2 extra noncon games. 

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If everyone is only playing 5 then should be plenty of opportunity to pick up games

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I suspect this is tossed out each year so why should this year be any different. 

Look at the results from week 1 in the playoffs.  Far too many teams get in the playoffs and needlessly extend the season another week. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half. 
Every year the first week of the playoffs is pretty much a lop sided home affair. 
Trim the playoff qualifiers in half. 



the Qualifiers are just right Sylvan Hills is a prime example of why the qualifiers is just right

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Best thing to do 4A and below is go back to 8 conferences of 6 teams each and do away with the fifth seeds and the stupid byes. Top 4 seeds make it and you play till you lose.

good idea but one thing need to change u need 8 conferences but u need 8 team in each of those not 6 teams

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In 3A , of 14 1st round games 5 were decided by 14 or less point's with no upsets 7 were decided by 30 or more points.

 I think it would be of more benefit to come up with a way to make at least some of these game played at a neutral site. 3 and 4 hour bus rides seems a little much.

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Too many teams play in the playoffs.  How do you justifiy as a point of accomplishment, competition or just old fashioned earning the berth, 5 and 6 teams making the playoffs?  Is it about making more money or giving more schools an opportunity to have a playoff experience?  I share the feeling that as many kids as can should have that thrill, but too many teams playing with losing records seems to diminish the importance of making the playoff.
I know numbers is an issue in 6 & 7A football because there are only 16 schools in each class.  Maybe a better answer there would be to extend the regular season for those two classifications.  Each 6 & 7A team could play an extra game or two in the pre-conference season.  That would extend the season and keep the end of the playoffs in line with where they are now.  Eliminate the 5th seeds in the lower division and get it back to 4 from each conference.  Of better yet to 3 and host one round of high school bowl games.  Making the playoffs a real big deal when you make it there.
When the top class had 9 teams and no playoffs, teams would play 11 or 12 games each year.   Central vs. Hall and Catholic vs NLR Ole Main would always end the season playing each other on Thanksgiving morning.  The second class from the top had playoffs, but teams played 11 regular season games.

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2A & 3A need to be trimmed back for sure. Too many teams sneaking in, only to get beat my 30 or so in the first round.

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Power rank all teams in a classification.

Outside of the top two 16 team classifications, have the top 32 teams in a classification make the playoffs (no byes and first round consists of 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 etc with higher seed hosting the game).

A district champ would be guaranteed a playoff spot but not necessarily a high seed. It would be possible all teams from one conference and only one team from another conference would advance to post season. No need for a #2 or lower team from a weak district to take the spot from a #6 or lower in another district that is obviously a stronger team.
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Power rank all teams in a classification.

Outside of the top two 16 team classifications, have the top 32 teams in a classification make the playoffs (no byes and first round consists of 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30 etc with higher seed hosting the game).

A district champ would be guaranteed a playoff spot but not necessarily a high seed. It would be possible all teams from one conference and only one team from another conference would advance to post season. No need for a #2 or lower team from a weak district to take the spot from a #6 or lower in another district that is obviously a stronger team.

Cause 0-5 is always obviously stronger than a 4-1? I could see the "power" system getting political when someone with connections doesn't make the playoffs...

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Cause 0-5 is always obviously stronger than a 4-1? I could see the "power" system getting political when someone with connections doesn't make the playoffs...

Not all 0-5 teams, but SOME of them could be a better team than SOME 4-1 teams.

Whatever system that might be put into use would need to be as transparent and objective as possible.

It's possible and in use in other states.

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Not all 0-5 teams, but SOME of them could be a better team than SOME 4-1 teams.

Whatever system that might be put into use would need to be as transparent and objective as possible.

It's possible and in use in other states.
I think it's Wisconsin that let's the school make their own conferences, everyone over .500 makes playoffs in their respective classes...

And Bleu, idk...there's something about taking a 3-7 school over a potential 7-3/8-2 type just because that 3-7 rode some coattails. Not like many outside of conference champs actually have a legitimate argument to be there anyway with the stats in posted earlier this year...

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I think it's Wisconsin that let's the school make their own conferences, everyone over .500 makes playoffs in their respective classes...

And Bleu, idk...there's something about taking a 3-7 school over a potential 7-3/8-2 type just because that 3-7 rode some coattails. Not like many outside of conference champs actually have a legitimate argument to be there anyway with the stats in posted earlier this year...

Team A is 7-3. Their 7 wins are close wins over teams everybody else is beating easily. Their 3 losses are mercy rule losses to average teams.

Team B is 3-7. Their three wins are mercy rule wins over average teams. Their 7 losses are close loses to highly ranked teams.

Team A will play post season football as a #2 seed.

Team B is a #6 seed and heading to the hardwood.

Now neither may have a chance to go deep in the playoffs, and Team A may deserve post season time, but I'd say Team B could be favored to beat Team A if they played each other.   
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Team A is 7-3. Their 7 wins are close wins over teams everybody else is beating easily. Their 3 losses are mercy rule losses to average teams.

Team B is 3-7. Their three wins are mercy rule wins over average teams. Their 7 losses are close loses to highly ranked teams.

Team A will play post season football as a #2 seed.

Team B is a #6 seed and heading to the hardwood.

Now neither may have a chance to go deep in the playoffs, and Team A may deserve post season time, but I'd say Team B could be favored to beat Team A if they played each other.


Only in a few cases that may happen. Most of the time I think Team A still wins. Just how the cookie crumbles.

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Only in a few cases that may happen. Most of the time I think Team A still wins. Just how the cookie crumbles.

A high seed from a weak conference automatically getting into the playoffs is like.

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A high seed from a weak conference automatically getting into the playoffs is like.



I think if you try to mess with it too much it gets too complicated. The only thing I would say is that the AAA needs to look at the average team strength/abilities and realign if one conference/divison is too tough.

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I think if you try to mess with it too much it gets too complicated. The only thing I would say is that the AAA needs to look at the average team strength/abilities and realign if one conference/divison is too tough.

If Louisiana can figure it out, playoff qualification power ranking can't be that hard. 

Performance balancing conferences sounds nice, but there's enough scheduling challenges already with teams coming in and out because of classification moves due to size.  And unfortunately, strength balancing a conference for football might make baseball or basketball out of whack.  I think conferences are going to always be geography driven as much as possible and that's the way it should be for rivalry and budget (gas and attendance) purposes, but that doesn't have to be the case in the playoffs.

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If Louisiana can figure it out, playoff qualification power ranking can't be that hard. 

Performance balancing conferences sounds nice, but there's enough scheduling challenges already with teams coming in and out because of classification moves due to size.  And unfortunately, strength balancing a conference for football might make baseball or basketball out of whack.  I think conferences are going to always be geography driven as much as possible and that's the way it should be for rivalry and budget (gas and attendance) purposes, but that doesn't have to be the case in the playoffs.

It would be up to the AAA to be humble enough to ask the LAA how they do things. My guess is the AAA is not going to.

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It would be up to the AAA to be humble enough to ask the LAA how they do things. My guess is the AAA is not going to.
Nope they want be that humble

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Louisiana posts it online...

Believe it's 10 pts per win + 1 for every class up a team is from your class...divided by # of games

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I think it's Wisconsin that let's the school make their own conferences, everyone over .500 makes playoffs in their respective classes...

And Bleu, idk...there's something about taking a 3-7 school over a potential 7-3/8-2 type just because that 3-7 rode some coattails. Not like many outside of conference champs actually have a legitimate argument to be there anyway with the stats in posted earlier this year...

Wisconsin does allow the schools lot more leeway in making up their own conferences.

Wisconsin takes all conference champions and all teams with .500 or better conference record  up to 224 teams.
They than take the largest 32 schools and make them Div 1, next 32 schools and make them Div 2, etc.
Next, they divide each of the seven 32 school divisions into 4 geographic base regions.
Than the coaches of the 8 schools in each of the regions meet and seed their region.

There is a possibility that 1 conference could have 3 or 4 teams scattered through 2 or 3 different divisions when it comes playoff time.

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It makes the AAA too much money!

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Louisiana posts it online...

Believe it's 10 pts per win + 1 for every class up a team is from your class...divided by # of games

http://lhsaa.org/uploads/documents/Tournament_Power_Ranking_System.pdf

http://cdn.lhsaa.org/uploads/handbook/2018HB_Football_rev1.pdf  (section 14.12)

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Ah I forgot the s.o.s part. I don't have the time like I used to or I'd use it to see what arkansas might have looked like this year

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More than 4 teams from an eight team conference is not earning a spot, it's being given one. 

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Team A is 7-3. Their 7 wins are close wins over teams everybody else is beating easily. Their 3 losses are mercy rule losses to average teams.

Team B is 3-7. Their three wins are mercy rule wins over average teams. Their 7 losses are close loses to highly ranked teams.

Team A will play post season football as a #2 seed.

Team B is a #6 seed and heading to the hardwood.

Now neither may have a chance to go deep in the playoffs, and Team A may deserve post season time, but I'd say Team B could be favored to beat Team A if they played each other.

And the next thing you know, Sylvan Hills is in the semis.

 

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