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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2018, 09:52:08 am »

Guardianship can not be used for eligibility purposes. It's must be court approved adoption.
This is true, but what if that's what they are doing? That was my question is how is the court going to approve that since she lives with her parents right now.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2018, 10:24:01 am »
This is true, but what if that's what they are doing? That was my question is how is the court going to approve that since she lives with her parents right now.
Fann is correct, I guess I was holding out hope that parent's hadn't lost their dang minds just to have a chance at a championship.  But like I said, it would be up to another school to file a protest and demand the AAA investigate.  You have any faith in that happening?  I don't.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2018, 10:40:53 am »
Anyone care to elaborate on what started all this in the first place?

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2018, 12:54:49 pm »
Anyone care to elaborate on what started all this in the first place?
What started what? Her wanting to move? Or the eligibility rules the AAA put into place?

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2018, 02:24:05 pm »
Maybe she's getting married.    ::)

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2018, 02:45:40 pm »
What started what? Her wanting to move? Or the eligibility rules the AAA put into place?

The move.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2018, 02:56:54 pm »
The move.
My guess is ring chasing.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2018, 01:31:31 pm »
I first heard that Ron Smith was taking the girls job at Mammoth. Now I am hearing he is backing out because the Lane girl is out. Any truth to this rumor?

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2018, 02:13:43 pm »
I heard today that he is staying at Harrisburg.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2018, 05:41:42 pm »
Smith is staying at Harrisburg.  Safe to say this job was a lot more appealing when Layne was on the team.  No one seems to want the job without her.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2018, 05:01:38 pm »
What do they have coming back?

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2018, 10:49:44 am »
Everyone minus Layne.  Went 29-11 and lost in the Quarterfinals of State.  Without Layne, I'd expect them to fall off quite a bit. With a better coach, they could have made a run to the finals this past year and definitely next year.  Be lucky to make state tournament now.   

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2018, 10:52:35 am »
Everyone minus Layne.  Went 29-11 and lost in the Quarterfinals of State.  Without Layne, I'd expect them to fall off quite a bit. With a better coach, they could have made a run to the finals this past year and definitely next year.  Be lucky to make state tournament now.

In the games that I saw Layne was their second best player.   I'm not sure she even reached double digits, and had quite a few turnovers.....

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2018, 11:03:13 am »
In the games that I saw Layne was their second best player.   I'm not sure she even reached double digits, and had quite a few turnovers.....
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She's a three time All-State Player and a Finals MVP.  She was by far their best player.  Now she is Norfork's best player.  Even with all that talent they have.

Her coach didn't understand how to coach her.  With a player like her, you have to know you're going to see all kinds of Box and 1's, double teams and special defenses. He did nothing to counter act any of this.  If she averaged 20 a game, she created 15 of it on her own.  So its understandable if she had a couple games with a few turnovers and less than 10 points.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2018, 11:41:24 am »
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She's a three time All-State Player and a Finals MVP.  She was by far their best player.  Now she is Norfork's best player.  Even with all that talent they have.

Her coach didn't understand how to coach her.  With a player like her, you have to know you're going to see all kinds of Box and 1's, double teams and special defenses. He did nothing to counter act any of this.  If she averaged 20 a game, she created 15 of it on her own.  So its understandable if she had a couple games with a few turnovers and less than 10 points.

If they were good enough to make it to the finals I would've thought surely one of the others would've stepped up against a junk defense.  There's only so much a coach can do.  Having only had her for one season it's safe to say that probably he didn't know how to coach her. 
She is a talented player for sure.  She will help fill that point guard  spot for Norfork that will be left open.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2018, 01:01:28 pm »
They lost to a Kirby team they had beaten by 20 earlier in the year.  They were good enough to go to the finals.  You are right, a coach can only do so much. He could have done better and more.  Laymon will be able to put her in scoring situations without her having to run through a wall for it.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2018, 04:01:40 pm »
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She's a three time All-State Player and a Finals MVP.  She was by far their best player.  Now she is Norfork's best player.  Even with all that talent they have.

Her coach didn't understand how to coach her.  With a player like her, you have to know you're going to see all kinds of Box and 1's, double teams and special defenses. He did nothing to counter act any of this.  If she averaged 20 a game, she created 15 of it on her own.  So its understandable if she had a couple games with a few turnovers and less than 10 points.

I agree she can play.  But the head coach gets to pick the finals MVP.  Who do you think the guy was going to pick.  LOL.  I watched that finals game, and the post player deserved that honor as well. 

Mammoth's post girl can play as well!  But Bay had a better supporting cast that made Layne better.  She isn't the type of player to be able to take a game over by herself.  Not fast enough or big enough.....

As I have said before on here, I would never move my kid because of a coach or to be on a better team.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2018, 09:05:05 am »
I agree she can play.  But the head coach gets to pick the finals MVP.  Who do you think the guy was going to pick.  LOL.  I watched that finals game, and the post player deserved that honor as well. 

Mammoth's post girl can play as well!  But Bay had a better supporting cast that made Layne better.  She isn't the type of player to be able to take a game over by herself.  Not fast enough or big enough.....

As I have said before on here, I would never move my kid because of a coach or to be on a better team.

MVP is chosen prior to the game being played.  Finals game rarely factors in to the decision unless one player has an exceptional game, which is rare.  I'm assuming you're saying this based on who her father is?  So she shouldn't win MVP because of her dad?  That's not right at all.  She deserved it all season long. 

Mammoths post can play yes but not near the caliber of Layne.  They are decent team without Layne and a title threat with her.  This point will be proven this coming year.  Very few players of any level on any team can "take over" a game.  Layne merely being on the floor helps control the game, often in her teams favor. 

I can understand your view on not moving your child.  This is a very debatable topic.  I'd venture to say in most cases if the kid wanted to move, then it would happen.   

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2018, 11:56:31 am »
The  best player for Mammoth isn’t playing next year. I haven’t heard what school she’s playing for. Norfork obviously will be in the running again. I thought we would still have a chance but our team is falling apart at a quick pace.
MVP is chosen prior to the game being played.  Finals game rarely factors in to the decision unless one player has an exceptional game, which is rare.  I'm assuming you're saying this based on who her father is?  So she shouldn't win MVP because of her dad?  That's not right at all.  She deserved it all season long. 

Mammoths post can play yes but not near the caliber of Layne.  They are decent team without Layne and a title threat with her.  This point will be proven this coming year.  Very few players of any level on any team can "take over" a game.  Layne merely being on the floor helps control the game, often in her teams favor. 

I can understand your view on not moving your child.  This is a very debatable topic.  I'd venture to say in most cases if the kid wanted to move, then it would happen.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2018, 01:46:35 pm »
That is unfortunate.  Group could have been a special group. 

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2018, 02:14:10 pm »
That is unfortunate.  Group could have been a special group.

They also had a bit of bad luck late in the year.  Having the good post player get mono late was a tough break.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2018, 05:15:11 pm »
Who are they looking at bringing in now?

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2018, 12:29:56 pm »
The Mammoth coach did not leave, he was fired. Have heard Chip Layne wanted to coach, but the board would not let him. Right around when that happened, Layne moved to Norfork and became legally adopted by her grandparents that live there. All while her dad is superintendent at Mammoth. Just seems really sad to me.

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« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2018, 02:13:39 pm »
The Mammoth coach did not leave, he was fired. Have heard Chip Layne wanted to coach, but the board would not let him. Right around when that happened, Layne moved to Norfork and became legally adopted by her grandparents that live there. All while her dad is superintendent at Mammoth. Just seems really sad to me.

So many 1A schools behave like Banana Republics.  So she has played for three schools in three years... well if she doesn't get that ring at least she'll have the fond memories and lasting friendships from her high school days.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2018, 04:30:33 pm »
I don't think its singular to 1A.  Many players, parents, fans act this way.  Example... Batesville Southside this past season.  Also, not to be petty, but my understanding was that he was reassigned, not fired.  Meaning he's still around those girls and still on campus. Judging by his performance this season, I don't think he'll be leaving to take another coaching gig.I'm betting a lot of the negative feedback from this landed on her dad and by association, landed on her too.  The board not wanting him to coach and be superintendent is a smart move on their part.  He'd be a one and done for certain.  Loyalty is a thing of the past especially in sports now days.  Hope they find a coach willing to work the entire program.  Honestly hope Layne gets that second ring she's clearly going after.  Can't say I wouldn't let my kid do it too.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2018, 08:40:20 pm »
The Mammoth school board will probably wise up after the stuff that has happened recently. way too much drama and all centered around girls basketball. It is a sad state of affairs when a particular player and parent can play with peoples careers. Coaches being reassigned or coaches hired and let go because a kid or the parent wants you gone is sorry.
 

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2018, 06:31:16 am »
The superintendent does not have the authority to hire or fire.  Only the school board can do that.

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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2018, 08:38:16 am »
The superintendent does not have the authority to hire or fire.  Only the school board can do that.

Technically correct but:

"the law requires school boards to hire a qualified superintendent
to carry out the necessary administrative duties. Suspension, termination,
or non-renewal of a district employee must come only after the
recommendation of the superintendent. A school board doesn’t have the
legal authority to take action against an employee’s contract without the
superintendent’s recommendation
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"The superintendent recommends candidates for employment but can’t actually
hire anyone. Only the board can perform this function."

http://arsba.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ASBA_Handbook.pdf (page 22 and 23)

The gist of the process is the only position a board should be directly responsible for search, selection, offer, subsequent ongoing evaluation and discipline (up to and including termination) is that of superintendent.
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Re: Mammoth girls opening
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2018, 12:03:31 pm »
Which would indicate they probably were in agreement with the process.  Hence, there probably won't be any wising up by the board. But politics seem to work their way to where certain folks can wield pretty broad power.

 

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