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Arkansas at Florida
« on: February 03, 2016, 06:39:11 pm »
Watkins. Wouldn't even start at cutter morning star man. Good grief...

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 06:49:21 pm »
I swear when I turned the game on, I thought it was some kind of Florida-Vanderbilt rerun for a minute.  Those jerseys we're wearing are hideous.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 06:52:47 pm »
I used to like them. But I honestly could do without them now.


We wore black tonight to commemorate our death by failure to close recruits today. 

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 07:17:02 pm »
Keyvaughn Allen. Geez. Hate he got away.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 07:18:16 pm »
He was obviously just in love with Florida judging by the fact that he didn't reopen his recruiting

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2016, 07:55:22 pm »
Why not? Got a good feisty young coach to play for. Traditionally good basketball program. Can't blame him at all. We start players that wouldn't start for The Little rock Trojans, UAM, or SAU.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2016, 08:13:20 pm »
Bash all y'all want. This team never stops fighting and I'm proud of them

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 08:18:44 pm »
Why not? Got a good feisty young coach to play for. Traditionally good basketball program. Can't blame him at all. We start players that wouldn't start for The Little rock Trojans, UAM, or SAU.

You really are taking recruiting hard, lol, you're going to let it get you a vacation. So, outside of Watkins, which other starter are you disparaging?

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2016, 08:44:03 pm »
Trey Thompson and Watkins.


Vacation for what? Ha. Telling the truth? Yeah this team fights every single game. Plays hard. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't a good team with several bad players.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2016, 08:53:07 pm »
Trey Thompson and Watkins.


Vacation for what? Ha. Telling the truth? Yeah this team fights every single game. Plays hard. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't a good team with several bad players.

Thompson didn't start.
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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 09:00:01 pm »
Watkins did.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2016, 09:26:00 pm »
Watkins did.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? "I said, outside of Watkins, which other starter are you disparaging?" So, obviously, we had established Watkins as a starter. You said we start "players", plural, that couldn't start for the teams you listed.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2016, 09:25:51 pm »
This team isn't that bad just lack the leadership necessary to make plays when they count. Heck we scored 80+ on the road! Considering all that we lost from last season, this is MA's best coaching job. We actually run offense, we shoot FT, shoot good from the field. We definitely have weaknesses but the NCAAT was a long shot. Our problem is recruiting plain and simple!

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 09:31:37 pm »
This team isn't that bad just lack the leadership necessary to make plays when they count. Heck we scored 80+ on the road! Considering all that we lost from last season, this is MA's best coaching job. We actually run offense, we shoot FT, shoot good from the field. We definitely have weaknesses but the NCAAT was a long shot. Our problem is recruiting plain and simple!

Yeah, the team fights hard, just not enough scorers for when we need to rest Bell, Hannahs, and Kingsley.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 09:51:35 pm »
Watkins did.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? "I said, outside of Watkins, which other starter are you disparaging?" So, obviously, we had established Watkins as a starter. You said we start "players", plural, that couldn't start for the teams you listed.

Nope I don't. You're so over sensitive about any criticizing of anything razorback. Watkins is bad. So is Thompson. That is my point.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 10:10:45 pm »
Watkins did.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? "I said, outside of Watkins, which other starter are you disparaging?" So, obviously, we had established Watkins as a starter. You said we start "players", plural, that couldn't start for the teams you listed.

Nope I don't. You're so over sensitive about any criticizing of anything razorback. Watkins is bad. So is Thompson. That is my point.

No, I don't mind criticism when it is warranted. They are role players, nothing more, but to say they are bad, isn't fair. The problem has always been recruiting, pretty simple, don't blame the kids playing.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2016, 10:11:29 pm »
Yea give them credit they do play hard

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2016, 10:13:57 pm »
We definitely need to pickup our recruiting a few notches

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2016, 10:14:11 am »
Trey Thompson and Watkins.


Vacation for what? Ha. Telling the truth? Yeah this team fights every single game. Plays hard. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't a good team with several bad players.

I disagree with you saying this is not a good team.  They've lost 5 or 6 of their games by 4 points or less, three games in overtime.  They've been competitive in all but one or two games.  Ask Florida, LSU or Texas A&M if they're any good.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2016, 10:47:31 am »
Tough Loss.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2016, 09:29:19 pm »
Trey Thompson and Watkins.


Vacation for what? Ha. Telling the truth? Yeah this team fights every single game. Plays hard. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't a good team with several bad players.
Hogs have had same problem for years, can't close games.

I disagree with you saying this is not a good team.  They've lost 5 or 6 of their games by 4 points or less, three games in overtime.  They've been competitive in all but one or two games.  Ask Florida, LSU or Texas A&M if they're any good.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 10:00:04 pm »
Besides last year, right?

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 05:38:22 am »
Trey Thompson and Watkins.


Vacation for what? Ha. Telling the truth? Yeah this team fights every single game. Plays hard. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't a good team with several bad players.

I disagree with you saying this is not a good team.  They've lost 5 or 6 of their games by 4 points or less, three games in overtime.  They've been competitive in all but one or two games.  Ask Florida, LSU or Texas A&M if they're any good.
Silly, Bad College basketball teams lose by 4 points or less all the time. Good teams win by 1 or more all the time.

The tough thing is getting your team over the hump to be the team that wins by one or more. Over 5 years Mike Anderson has not proved he can do it at Arkansas consistently. Amazes me that people want to give him another 5 years or a life time contract but hey it is just a game.

And yes the players play hard.... most do everywhere.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 07:15:01 am »
AW, I usually tend to agree with you, but you're way off base here. Bad teams are ones like Mizzou who lose each game by 10+. Teams that don't hustle are the ones who may lose close games early but then lose by bigger and bigger margins later in the year. Arkansas is neither. Every expert on both ESPN and CBS is talking about how much Arkansas has overachieved this year and praising the job Mike Anderson did and saying that Arkansas will be back in the tourney next year

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 07:56:31 am »
With what mike had on his roster and bench, I would say he is doing a fine job this year.

Doesn't take away the fact that we have a roster that has some guys on it that are just not that great D1 basketball players.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2016, 08:05:50 am »
AW, I usually tend to agree with you, but you're way off base here. Bad teams are ones like Mizzou who lose each game by 10+. Teams that don't hustle are the ones who may lose close games early but then lose by bigger and bigger margins later in the year. Arkansas is neither. Every expert on both ESPN and CBS is talking about how much Arkansas has overachieved this year and praising the job Mike Anderson did and saying that Arkansas will be back in the tourney next year
Interesting but wrong. Arkansas is a bad team just not a horrible team. Horrible teams lose by 10 to 20 points....(Missouri, Memphis) Arkansas is NOT a good team - I repeat Arkansas is not a GOOD team. Good teams make the sweet 16. Very good teams make the great 8. Very Very Good teams make the final four. Great teams win it all.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2016, 09:40:59 am »
AW, I usually tend to agree with you, but you're way off base here. Bad teams are ones like Mizzou who lose each game by 10+. Teams that don't hustle are the ones who may lose close games early but then lose by bigger and bigger margins later in the year. Arkansas is neither. Every expert on both ESPN and CBS is talking about how much Arkansas has overachieved this year and praising the job Mike Anderson did and saying that Arkansas will be back in the tourney next year
Interesting but wrong. Arkansas is a bad team just not a horrible team. Horrible teams lose by 10 to 20 points....(Missouri, Memphis) Arkansas is NOT a good team - I repeat Arkansas is not a GOOD team. Good teams make the sweet 16. Very good teams make the great 8. Very Very Good teams make the final four. Great teams win it all.


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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2016, 10:25:13 am »
Well there is a little truth and a little exaggeration going on. Arkansas is not a bad team above average which is what their record reflects. It is also true that we are giving a lot of minutes to players that are not P5 level talent. Yet this is a very dangerous team one that IF they are shooting well gives teams fits. MA has done a good job with this squad the thing that has me a Razorback fan nervous...RECRUITING! If MA can't get the players here than who will? I mean he's a players coach, carries himself with class and dignity, runs a fun system to play in, has shown he can develop players, has a fan base better than most, top notch facilities...so what gives ??? MA is the coach and being paid to get it done but unless we step it up in recruiting...but the thing is if he can't get top players to Arkansas...Who can?

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2016, 10:51:25 am »
That's the thing. People like myself saying we have players that aren't p5 talent on our roster is being mistaken as me bashing the team. That is fact. Take it how you want it but we have got to seal the deal somehow on top talent. How. Don't know.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2016, 12:20:58 pm »
That's the thing. People like myself saying we have players that aren't p5 talent on our roster is being mistaken as me bashing the team. That is fact. Take it how you want it but we have got to seal the deal somehow on top talent. How. Don't know.

P5 doesn't mean a whole lot in basketball, go back and look at your brackets the last few years. I've said it until I'm tired of saying, MA needs a recruiter on his staff, he has family and loyalty. And as far as the guys playing, they are what they are, it's MA's fault not to have a roster full of better players.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2016, 12:27:49 pm »
Does it not? So what goes does bringing a recruiter on staff if we don't get P5 players and continue to get D2 players like Thompson and Watkins?

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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2016, 12:33:26 pm »
That's the thing. People like myself saying we have players that aren't p5 talent on our roster is being mistaken as me bashing the team. That is fact. Take it how you want it but we have got to seal the deal somehow on top talent. How. Don't know.

P5 doesn't mean a whole lot in basketball, go back and look at your brackets the last few years. I've said it until I'm tired of saying, MA needs a recruiter on his staff, he has family and loyalty. And as far as the guys playing, they are what they are, it's MA's fault not to have a roster full of better players.

While it's true there is talent at the mid majors in basketball not doubt UA would be better if we could sign kids that have the talent to play in bigger conferences.

Adding a recruiter sounds interesting but I'm not convinced that it will solve the problem. While I don't expect the program, in it's current state, to totally sell itself...it shouldn't be this hard either! Maybe a guy that can sell ice to the Eskimos, is worth a try? But something just ain't right!

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2016, 01:51:24 pm »
Any college coach or analyst will tell you that recruiting is the life blood of success. If you can't recruit at a high level or get the best players that fit your system, you're just not going to win. I always thought a good recruiter could convince a player to go to anywhere. That's being shown right now at places like Auburn and Mississippi State. In just two years, Bruce Pearl has already gotten more four star players at Auburn than they've had in the last ten years. In just his first season, Ben Howland has six four star players signed for his 2016 class at Mississippi State.

MA is a good coach but he's not a good recruiter. That's been my main criticism with him. It was the primary criticism Missouri fans had when he was coaching there. Some of the top players he does get end up not qualifying. Ted Kapita was the headline recruit out of this years class but didn't qualify. He would have been a big addition to this years team. Kapita not qualifying is the only reason Willy Kouassi is even here, a player who brings nothing to the team other than a defensive presence.

He's done a good job with the talent he has. But you can only go so far with this roster. That reflects on recruiting. You just can't lose out on top in-state players like Monk, Archie Goodwin, and KeVaughn Allen. Yeah, the counter argument to that would be were not the same level program anymore as Kentucky and Florida. But what does it say when you recruit a player like Monk hard since his freshman year, bring in his brother as a graduate assistant and still can't get him. Yet, a coach like Ben Howland can be on the job for a month and convince a five star player and tenth best player in the country from signing with Kentucky and play for Mississippi State.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2016, 02:13:23 pm »
Again since his Freshman year we werent getting Monk. No matter what MA done he had very little shot. Any coach that would have been here had very little shot

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2016, 02:15:17 pm »
And Marcus played the game just like everybody else. Crap 1/4 of the state did everything it could to get him to be a hog.

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2016, 02:31:38 pm »
Any college coach or analyst will tell you that recruiting is the life blood of success. If you can't recruit at a high level or get the best players that fit your system, you're just not going to win. I always thought a good recruiter could convince a player to go to anywhere. That's being shown right now at places like Auburn and Mississippi State. In just two years, Bruce Pearl has already gotten more four star players at Auburn than they've had in the last ten years. In just his first season, Ben Howland has six four star players signed for his 2016 class at Mississippi State.

MA is a good coach but he's not a good recruiter. That's been my main criticism with him. It was the primary criticism Missouri fans had when he was coaching there. Some of the top players he does get end up not qualifying. Ted Kapita was the headline recruit out of this years class but didn't qualify. He would have been a big addition to this years team. Kapita not qualifying is the only reason Willy Kouassi is even here, a player who brings nothing to the team other than a defensive presence.

He's done a good job with the talent he has. But you can only go so far with this roster. That reflects on recruiting. You just can't lose out on top in-state players like Monk, Archie Goodwin, and KeVaughn Allen. Yeah, the counter argument to that would be were not the same level program anymore as Kentucky and Florida. But what does it say when you recruit a player like Monk hard since his freshman year, bring in his brother as a graduate assistant and still can't get him. Yet, a coach like Ben Howland can be on the job for a month and convince a five star player and tenth best player in the country from signing with Kentucky and play for Mississippi State.

Kouassi. That's another Thompson and Watkins.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2016, 05:23:57 pm »
AW, I usually tend to agree with you, but you're way off base here. Bad teams are ones like Mizzou who lose each game by 10+. Teams that don't hustle are the ones who may lose close games early but then lose by bigger and bigger margins later in the year. Arkansas is neither. Every expert on both ESPN and CBS is talking about how much Arkansas has overachieved this year and praising the job Mike Anderson did and saying that Arkansas will be back in the tourney next year
Interesting but wrong. Arkansas is a bad team just not a horrible team. Horrible teams lose by 10 to 20 points....(Missouri, Memphis) Arkansas is NOT a good team - I repeat Arkansas is not a GOOD team. Good teams make the sweet 16. Very good teams make the great 8. Very Very Good teams make the final four. Great teams win it all.


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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2016, 05:39:12 pm »
Any college coach or analyst will tell you that recruiting is the life blood of success. If you can't recruit at a high level or get the best players that fit your system, you're just not going to win. I always thought a good recruiter could convince a player to go to anywhere. That's being shown right now at places like Auburn and Mississippi State. In just two years, Bruce Pearl has already gotten more four star players at Auburn than they've had in the last ten years. In just his first season, Ben Howland has six four star players signed for his 2016 class at Mississippi State.

MA is a good coach but he's not a good recruiter. That's been my main criticism with him. It was the primary criticism Missouri fans had when he was coaching there. Some of the top players he does get end up not qualifying. Ted Kapita was the headline recruit out of this years class but didn't qualify. He would have been a big addition to this years team. Kapita not qualifying is the only reason Willy Kouassi is even here, a player who brings nothing to the team other than a defensive presence.

He's done a good job with the talent he has. But you can only go so far with this roster. That reflects on recruiting. You just can't lose out on top in-state players like Monk, Archie Goodwin, and KeVaughn Allen. Yeah, the counter argument to that would be were not the same level program anymore as Kentucky and Florida. But what does it say when you recruit a player like Monk hard since his freshman year, bring in his brother as a graduate assistant and still can't get him. Yet, a coach like Ben Howland can be on the job for a month and convince a five star player and tenth best player in the country from signing with Kentucky and play for Mississippi State.
+1...MA can't recruit...Nolan would have gotten Monk...

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2016, 06:07:03 pm »
Again since his Freshman year we werent getting Monk. No matter what MA done he had very little shot. Any coach that would have been here had very little shot

I beg to differ. If Calipari or Bill Self was coaching at Arkansas there's no way in Hades they would have allowed Monk, Goodwin, or Allen to leave Arkansas.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2016, 06:20:11 pm »
Again since his Freshman year we werent getting Monk. No matter what MA done he had very little shot. Any coach that would have been here had very little shot

I beg to differ. If Calipari or Bill Self was coaching at Arkansas there's no way in Hades they would have allowed Monk, Goodwin, or Allen to leave Arkansas.
And that's why he's at Kentucky. Along with Goodwin. I guess Allen went to Florida because he wanted Florida. But as long as cal is at Kentucky and we have players in the state that aren't all hog any coach we have will have a hard time keeping recruits in state.

But there isn't anyway self or cal would even be here anyway. And if cal was here I probably wouldn't be hog basketball fan because I despise that guy. Don't care how any games he's won

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2016, 06:23:59 pm »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2016, 06:29:42 pm »
We really didn't have any choice but to hire a black coach after we fired Nolan

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2016, 07:11:01 pm »
We really didn't have any choice but to hire a black coach after we fired Nolan

Incorrect.

Stan Heath.

Followed by the hiring of two white coaches. 

Then Mike Anderson. MA was hired based on his current winning percentage at his precious schools and his history at Arkansas with Nolan.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2016, 07:28:34 pm »
Stan Heath, a black coach, immediately following Nolan. Like I said. Broyles needed to hire a black coach as defense in Nolan's discrimination lawsuit

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2016, 10:10:54 am »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

No "seasoned" coached was touching Arkansas after Nolan got fired!

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2016, 10:50:13 am »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

No "seasoned" coached was touching Arkansas after Nolan got fired!
Probably not but at least after Heath. I'll agree on one thing though MA does need to get a recruiter. I just think he is loyal to a fault with his guys which is rare and to be admired. But in the long run may be the thing that hurts him the most.

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2016, 11:38:21 am »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

No "seasoned" coached was touching Arkansas after Nolan got fired!
Probably not but at least after Heath. I'll agree on one thing though MA does need to get a recruiter. I just think he is loyal to a fault with his guys which is rare and to be admired. But in the long run may be the thing that hurts him the most.

Arkansas standing in the basketball world improved after Heath...but not much!

Would hiring a recruiter necessarily mean getting rid of someone currently on the staff?

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2016, 11:45:03 am »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

No "seasoned" coached was touching Arkansas after Nolan got fired!
Probably not but at least after Heath. I'll agree on one thing though MA does need to get a recruiter. I just think he is loyal to a fault with his guys which is rare and to be admired. But in the long run may be the thing that hurts him the most.

Arkansas standing in the basketball world improved after Heath...but not much!

Would hiring a recruiter necessarily mean getting rid of someone currently on the staff?
Im not sure. Everything I've read I'm just assuming they would have to make room. But someone else would know better than me how those things work.

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2016, 01:09:06 pm »
MA is loyal, which is admirable, But that loyalty may be apart of his weakness as a coach. One thing I can admire about Coach Bielema is that he doesn't hire people based on friendships. He hires based on their ability to coach and recruit. Bielema first caught attention of Rory Segrest after the Samford game in 2013. He liked how their defensive line played and expressed that to him after the game. When the defensive line job opened, he looked at Segrest.

All three of the current assistants have been with MA for over ten years. He's not going to fire either of them. If one of them does leave, Lee Mayberry will likely their position.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2016, 01:20:25 pm by Romeo »

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Re: Arkansas at Florida
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 01:11:19 pm »
And maybe I should have said any coach that could have legitimately been here. No coach is picking is over Kansas and Kentucky.

We should have hired a seasoned coach the day they let Nolan go.

No "seasoned" coached was touching Arkansas after Nolan got fired!
Probably not but at least after Heath. I'll agree on one thing though MA does need to get a recruiter. I just think he is loyal to a fault with his guys which is rare and to be admired. But in the long run may be the thing that hurts him the most.

Arkansas standing in the basketball world improved after Heath...but not much!

Would hiring a recruiter necessarily mean getting rid of someone currently on the staff?

Yes, just like in football, you are only allowed X amount of coaches. As was mentioned, MA is very loyal to his assistants and isn't cutting anyone loose. Add to that, unlike in football, no one wants any of his assistants.

We could have had a recruit this year, but he wouldn't make a change, or so I'm told.

 

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