the wing-t will and can work!!!!!

[Lions84]

When ran CORRECTLY the wing t offense is darn near impossible to stop. I havent seen an Arkansas team run the offense to its full capabilities. Otherwise I think more would run it.

Barton did for 63 games in a row.

[Locutus]

Barton didn't play in the 7A West.

[cuckoobird]

Lucky 7a west

[Locutus]

Yes, yes, yes, I know. We are so lucky that we never have to play those class B powerhouses.

[HorseFeathers]

Barton did it with less than thirty players most years. . . Imagine what kind of monster frank mclellan could have created with he resources a 7a school has at their disposal. . . .

[Locutus]

Again, he didn't do it in the 7A West. There are no "what if's" when comparing the two.

[cuckoobird]

The 7a west is just a johnny come lately league.

[Locutus]

That's funny right there.

[cuckoobird]

Well its true

[Lions84]

Folks at one time in the 1980s the Barton Booster Club had a $5,000 dollar gate guarantee it later was expanded to $10,000 for any one who would sign a home and home with Barton and NO ONE in the State took them up on it. So While the 7A West is all high and mighty now back in the 1980s none of your schools had the GUTS to tie it on with the Bears. 

[cuckoobird]

Folks at one time in the 1980s the Barton Booster Club had a $5,000 dollar gate guarantee it later was expanded to $10,000 for any one who would sign a home and home with Barton and NO ONE in the State took them up on it. So While the 7A West is all high and mighty now back in the 1980s none of your schools had the GUTS to tie it own with the Bears.

+1

[Locutus]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

[mack]

Folks at one time in the 1980s the Barton Booster Club had a $5,000 dollar gate guarantee it later was expanded to $10,000 for any one who would sign a home and home with Barton and NO ONE in the State took them up on it. So While the 7A West is all high and mighty now back in the 1980s none of your schools had the GUTS to tie it own with the Bears.

I have nothing but respect for Barton.  I have nothing but respect for small schools that compete well and establish winning traditions.  That being said, even 30 years ago, it's doubtful that Barton would have competed well with the largest class in the state, which was probably 4A at the time.  Barton had great athletes, but the law of large numbers says that the larger school would have had more great athletes.  They would have worn Barton down.  That's just the truth of it.

[Mr_Deb]

I have a lot of respect for barton as well!

Wish they'd keep us in a lower classification, good grief.

[HorseFeathers]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

You mean like you do everytime you lord that 5-0 record Har-Ber has over Cabot?

The 7a west is just a johnny come lately league.

Yep...some don't realize that the 7A West North of Fort Smith weren't the powehouses they are today..until the population explosion of northwest arkansas happened.

[Lions84]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

And we don't care for folks who disregard History and Tradition, As for Trailers I never lived in one we had a nice slab based Home my Dad and Uncle built and paid for in 1976.  My Parents still live in it.  We try to be nice and respectful here so please stop your putting down of 3/4 of the state.

[mack]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

And we don't care for folks who disregard History and Tradition, As for Trailers I never lived in one we had a nice slab based Home my Dad and Uncle built and paid for in 1976.  My Parents still live in it.  We try to be nice and respectful here so please stop your putting down of 3/4 of the state.

Heck,,, I have a nice single wide on the lake that I like more than my house in town......

[Earl is my Hero!!]

Heck,,, I have a nice single wide on the lake that I like more than my house in town......

Is it true that Mr. Perfect is the queen of your single wide trailer?

[Lions84]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

And we don't care for folks who disregard History and Tradition, As for Trailers I never lived in one we had a nice slab based Home my Dad and Uncle built and paid for in 1976.  My Parents still live in it.  We try to be nice and respectful here so please stop your putting down of 3/4 of the state.

Heck,,, I have a nice single wide on the lake that I like more than my house in town......

I had one on the Lake for years .  That not my issue it being disrespected.

[mack]

Heck,,, I have a nice single wide on the lake that I like more than my house in town......

Is it true that Mr. Perfect is the queen of your single wide trailer?

Only when he's oiled up in a NLR unitard............................................

[Locutus]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

You mean like you do everytime you lord that 5-0 record Har-Ber has over Cabot?

The 7a west is just a johnny come lately league.

At least it's the more recent past.

Yep...some don't realize that the 7A West North of Fort Smith weren't the powehouses they are today..until the population explosion of northwest arkansas happened.

[Coach Alley]

Heck,,, I have a nice single wide on the lake that I like more than my house in town......

Is it true that Mr. Perfect is the queen of your single wide trailer?

Wow. From a mod. Amazing.

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[Locutus]

You left out the part about, no whining. Must have been an oversight on your part. 

[Burpsnart]

Well....that escalated quickly.

[Iknewthemwhen]

Still lots of schools around the country that run this offense and win, win, win.   There is more to it than just bucksweep.

[Mr_Deb]

yea that's true they do still not everybody has the same kind of situation going...

it's basically two versions wingT teams derive their philosophy from delaware and bay city types... WM leans a lot more towards the latter.

[WMWRECKINGCREW]

WM need to run from wing T as fast as people ran from the wishbone. Let it go.  It's not working. Low crowds, low wins and no talent that colleges can use.  If you turn on the tv and can't see your system out of all these college and pro teams then let it go.

[Mr_Deb]

WM need to run from wing T as fast as people ran from the wishbone.

dang copyright got my bear

this should do

[Mr_Deb]

[Mr_Deb]

 

[Iron Owl]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

And we don't care for folks who disregard History and Tradition, As for Trailers I never lived in one we had a nice slab based Home my Dad and Uncle built and paid for in 1976.  My Parents still live in it.  We try to be nice and respectful here so please stop your putting down of 3/4 of the state.

+1!

[Iron Owl]

So since you don't see Guz Malzohn's modified shotgun Wing T in the NFL, he should scrap it??

[Mr_Deb]

spread option is a fairly new concept..

[MarionBlueDevil]

I'm telling y'all, I'm hearing good things about Mark Uhiren.

He got burnt out at Marion. Too much expected for so few resources.

Look at the entire body of work with the Patriots. Imagine what he could do in West Memphis. Just ignore 2012 and 2013. Those were aberrations.

For West Memphis, here's another chance to top Marion! By stealing their greatest football coach in history! It's the ultimate one-up move, I just hope that the administration has the balls to pull the trigger.

[Iron Owl]

I'm telling y'all, I'm hearing good things about Mark Uhiren.

He got burnt out at Marion. Too much expected for so few resources.

Look at the entire body of work with the Patriots. Imagine what he could do in West Memphis. Just ignore 2012 and 2013. Those were aberrations.

For West Memphis, here's another chance to top Marion! By stealing their greatest football coach in history! It's the ultimate one-up move, I just hope that the
administration has the balls to pull the trigger.

:-)

[minerjack]

Hilarious, 30 years ago the 7A West didn't even exist. Don't know if Barton even has a team anymore, but I would be willing to bet $10,000, that if they want to host even the worst team in our conference, they would get pounded. You guys that live in the past, just can't let go of it. It's time to take down those Confederate flags in front of your double wide, and accept the fact that nobody cares about "well back in the day when I was a senior" crap.

Don't bash one of the most legendary coaches in Arkansas history.  He won 63 straight, 111 conference games straight, 367 wins, and 8 state championships.  Numerous players to the NFL.  He must have been doing something right.

[Iron Owl]

^ what he said!

[Lions84]

When ran CORRECTLY the wing t offense is darn near impossible to stop. I havent seen an Arkansas team run the offense to its full capabilities. Otherwise I think more would run it.

Go back and find film of Barton running it during their 60 game win streak back in the mid 1980's !  Frank had it humming like a Singer Sewing Machine.

[Major A. Martin Boothroyd]

Junction City used to run a version of the Wing T along with the Wishbone in the late 90's and early 00's.  I would say they did it to a great effectiveness.

[7AFBFAN]

Does anyone know the highest finish in state last year in any classification for a team that runs this type of offense?

[cuckoobird]

Booneville won a title

[7AFBFAN]

I am thinking about offenses like Cabot, WM, Rogers. Maybe that is considered the veer?

[Major A. Martin Boothroyd]

Yes, the Naval Academy, Georgia Tech, Cabot, Barton, Des Arc, Booneville, ect. It can be run from multiple formations. Typically the most popular is the double slot or double wing.  But it can also be run from the Wishbone, Wing T, Split Back, or Dead T, or even the I-Formation. The offense, though, is called the veer. The veer is used in multiple forms, such as Outside Veer, Inside Veer, Midlines, ect.  It was invented in the mid-60's by Bill Yeoman at the University of Houston.

[7AFBFAN]

Now that is a plethora of information. Thank you for sharing.

[Major A. Martin Boothroyd]

Now that is a plethora of information. Thank you for sharing.

Of course. I've had much experience with the veer in my day. If I'm not mistaken, the division II college Carson-Newman still uses variations of the splitback veer. That would be the original veer that which Yeoman used at the University of Houston.

[phdefense]

Yes, the Naval Academy, Georgia Tech, Cabot, Barton, Des Arc, Booneville, ect. It can be run from multiple formations. Typically the most popular is the double slot or double wing.  But it can also be run from the Wishbone, Wing T, Split Back, or Dead T, or even the I-Formation. The offense, though, is called the veer. The veer is used in multiple forms, such as Outside Veer, Inside Veer, Midlines, ect.  It was invented in the mid-60's by Bill Yeoman at the University of Houston.

Many of these mentioned offenses are run based, but go about it in much different ways. Lumping them together does not do them justice. For example you mentioned the "Veer" and Double wing. The are both typically run out of the double wing/slot formation, but that is where their similarities end. The Veer is a triple option attack out of this formation. While the Double Wing gets it done by putting overwhelming numbers of blockers at the point of attack. Sometimes you will even see the QB pitch it and then go block. And the Wing-T a misdirection offense is different still focusing on motion, angle blocking and pulling guards.

[Mr_Deb]

multiple veer type would have been nice at WM.... beggggged for it once, those quinton sparkman/quinton smith types would have been hard to stop in that.

we've got a dynamite offense now.... Spread I-form whatever.... the best part is how the players are going to bloom into the positions!

[phdefense]

multiple veer type would have been nice at WM.... beggggged for it once, those quinton sparkman/quinton smith types would have been hard to stop in that.

we've got a dynamite offense now.... Spread I-form whatever.... the best part is how the players are going to bloom into the positions!

You actually are pretty close. Elmore uses a truly multiple offense with the spread, single back & I-formation being the most prominent. There is also a Dead-T package for short yardage situations.

[Major A. Martin Boothroyd]

Yes, the Naval Academy, Georgia Tech, Cabot, Barton, Des Arc, Booneville, ect. It can be run from multiple formations. Typically the most popular is the double slot or double wing.  But it can also be run from the Wishbone, Wing T, Split Back, or Dead T, or even the I-Formation. The offense, though, is called the veer. The veer is used in multiple forms, such as Outside Veer, Inside Veer, Midlines, ect.  It was invented in the mid-60's by Bill Yeoman at the University of Houston.

Many of these mentioned offenses are run based, but go about it in much different ways. Lumping them together does not do them justice. For example you mentioned the "Veer" and Double wing. The are both typically run out of the double wing/slot formation, but that is where their similarities end. The Veer is a triple option attack out of this formation. While the Double Wing gets it done by putting overwhelming numbers of blockers at the point of attack. Sometimes you will even see the QB pitch it and then go block. And the Wing-T a misdirection offense is different still focusing on motion, angle blocking and pulling guards.

Most of these formations that I mentioned that run the veer have to have traps, end traps, cross buck traps, quick pitches, buck sweeps, and midlines to complement the offense.  The double wing is a formation. Not an offense. As is the Wing T. Formation. Not an offense.

[Beaver Fever]

right and wrong, you are confusing formations with philosophy. The Double wing is an offensive philosophy based around double teams and outnumbering people at the Point of attack.  Just because you line up with 2 TE and 2 WB doesn't mean your a double wing team,  it is a philosophy just as the wing t is.  You can run the wing t out of many formations, even the shotgun.  Each philosophy has a set of principles that dictates blocking schemes.