2014-16 Cycle Numbers

[Brian G]

http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/CLASSIFICATION_REPORT_14-16.pdf

[Brian G]

First thing of note, Alma is at #32.#31

Van Buren moves to #14 and will no longer flirt with the line.

[ricepig]

First thing of note, Alma is at #32.

Van Buren moves to #14 and will no longer flirt with the line.

Actually, Alma is #31 and GW is #32, but the move is noted. The numbers appear to be close to the ones out earlier.

[AirWarren]

In 4a land, I notice that lake village now will drop to 3a. What will that do to the 8-4a since McGehee is still well below the 4a cut off?

Monticello and Crosset, both 8-4a, are near the top of the 4a getting close to the 5a line. Where they previously were.

[Romeo]

In 4a land, I notice that lake village now will drop to 3a. What will that do to the 8-4a since McGehee is still well below the 4a cut off?

My guess is that Dollarway will move back to 8-4A and West Helena will fill their spot in 2-4A.

[AirWarren]

That was my guess. Welcome back Dway!

[Eddie Goodson]

In 4a land, I notice that lake village now will drop to 3a. What will that do to the 8-4a since McGehee is still well below the 4a cut off?

My guess is that Dollarway will move back to 8-4A and West Helena will fill their spot in 2-4A.

If they put HWHC in the 8-4A, we riot.

[AirWarren]

Why? Let it go Eddie HA!

[Eddie Goodson]

Why? Let it go Eddie HA!

4 hour bus rides is why. It is stupid for Crossett and HWH to ever be in the same conference. Never had a problem with HWH teams or players. The distance has always been the issue for me.

[AirWarren]

That is a long way. That's why they need to go in stuttgarts conference and we take PB dollarway. Dewitt is a far enough drive for us 8-4a people!

[Bondfan4ever]

Taking a look at the 5A numbers, if the AAA still chooses to have a Central conference, they now have eight Pulaski County schools.  With Valley View moving up to 5A, Huntsville moving down to 4A, and Alma moving up to 6A, do not be surprised if Beebe gets assigned to the 5A West.

[Eddie Goodson]

Taking a look at the 5A numbers, if the AAA still chooses to have a Central conference, they now have eight Pulaski County schools.  With Valley View moving up to 5A, Huntsville moving down to 4A, and Alma moving up to 6A, do not be surprised if Beebe gets assigned to the 5A West.

I'm sure they'll trot out the same "We want to play against schools with 'like test scores'" line again to try and stay in the East.

[ricepig]

Taking a look at the 5A numbers, if the AAA still chooses to have a Central conference, they now have eight Pulaski County schools.  With Valley View moving up to 5A, Huntsville moving down to 4A, and Alma moving up to 6A, do not be surprised if Beebe gets assigned to the 5A West.

I'm sure they'll trot out the same "We want to play against schools with 'like test scores'" line again to try and stay in the East.

With VV moving up, Beebe is going somewhere. Who knows, maybe 6A & 5A get put together and we have several new changes

[Brian G]

I wouldn't assume Shiloh will want to move up so far for this cycle.

[Eddie Goodson]

Taking a look at the 5A numbers, if the AAA still chooses to have a Central conference, they now have eight Pulaski County schools.  With Valley View moving up to 5A, Huntsville moving down to 4A, and Alma moving up to 6A, do not be surprised if Beebe gets assigned to the 5A West.

I'm sure they'll trot out the same "We want to play against schools with 'like test scores'" line again to try and stay in the East.

With VV moving up, Beebe is going somewhere. Who knows, maybe 6A & 5A get put together and we have several new changes

If the AAA would force HWH to drive all the way to LR for it's conference games, who is to say they will not force someone else in the East to do it and put a LR school in the West.

The way that whole deal went down was so wrong it is not funny. HWH was in a horrible position of dealing with a state takeover and laid down without a fight, but they should sued the AAA for that stunt.

[AirWarren]

Like test scores? The mentality of these "flight" schools really hack me off.

[SouthpawSensation]

The Southpaw has taken his first shot at trying to figure out what a conference alignment will look like ... starting with Class 5A.
It's going to be interesting, particularly the West ....

[Bondfan4ever]

I looked over the list and there are actually nine Pulaski County schools in Class 5A.  Someone in Pulaski County is probably headed west.  Here is my prediction on how the conferences will look in 2014-2016:

Central: LR McClellan, LR Fair, Jacksonville, Pulaski Academy, Sylvan Hills, North Pulaski, LR Mills, LR Christian

East: Greene County Tech, Forrest City, Nettleton, Wynne, Paragould, Blytheville, Batesville, Valley View

West: Greenbrier, Vilonia, Harrison, Clarksville, Farmington, Morrilton, Maumelle, Beebe

South: Watson Chapel, HS Lakeside, White Hall, Hot Springs, Magnolia, Camden Fairview, Hope, DeQueen

I think Maumelle being the most "north and west" of the Pulaski County schools, plus, with Valley View moving up to 5A, I just can't see Beebe going into any other conference but the West.  Things can change and we all know that, but this is just one person's opinion.

[SouthpawSensation]

I tried to post a map of what I had concocted, but it wouldn't work on here.
Mine's a little different than Bondfan4ever. Here's what mine looked like.
West — Farmington, Harrison, Clarksville, Morrilton, Greenbrier, Maumelle, LR Christian and Pulaski Academy.
East — same as Bondfan4ever (that was the easy one to do).
Southwest — De Queen, Hope, Camden Fairview, Magnolia, Hot Springs, Hot Springs Lakeside, LR Fair, LR McClellan
Central — Beebe, White Hall, Watson Chapel, Mills, Vilonia, Sylvan Hills, North Pulaski, Jacksonville.

[RD™]

I tried to post a map of what I had concocted, but it wouldn't work on here.
Mine's a little different than Bondfan4ever. Here's what mine looked like.
West — Farmington, Harrison, Clarksville, Morrilton, Greenbrier, Maumelle, LR Christian and Pulaski Academy.
East — same as Bondfan4ever (that was the easy one to do).
Southwest — De Queen, Hope, Camden Fairview, Magnolia, Hot Springs, Hot Springs Lakeside, Sheridan, LR Fair
Central — Beebe, White Hall, Watson Chapel, Mills, LR McClellan, Sylvan Hills, North Pulaski, Jacksonville.

Forgot Vilonia in west.

[SouthpawSensation]

Thanks for the point out, RD. Had accidentally put Sheridan in there.
However, I started looking at it and came up with an edited concoction above, putting Vilonia in my Central. Might seem crazy, but when you look at it on a map, it just might work.

[cuckoobird]

That is a long way. That's why they need to go in stuttgarts conference and we take PB dollarway. Dewitt is a far enough drive for us 8-4a people!

You 8-4a guys don't need to whine about travel times. Dewitt to crossett is the only one over 2 hours while stuttgart has 4 over 2 hours. Batesville, Heber, Newport, and Clinton. Now if they moved us to the 8 we would have less travel time than we do in the 2 with only crossett and hamburg over 2 hours.

[phdefense]

That is a long way. That's why they need to go in stuttgarts conference and we take PB dollarway. Dewitt is a far enough drive for us 8-4a people!

On behalf of all the the 4A-2 I can without hesitation say "we could care less about the 4A-8 having one long trip" I mean for crying out loud have you seen how far our conference has to travel?

[arthurhawgerelli]

I wouldn't assume Shiloh will want to move up so far for this cycle.

They've decided not to.

[Eddie Goodson]

Like test scores? The mentality of these "flight" schools really hack me off.

They actually said that.

[AirWarren]

 

Well Eddie, that's why I hate "flight" schools and their mentality.

[Eddie Goodson]

Well Eddie, that's why I hate "flight" schools and their mentality.

Totally agree.

[helmethair]

I wouldn't assume Shiloh will want to move up so far for this cycle.

They've decided not to.

how do you know?

[SouthpawSensation]

In today's paper, it said Shiloh has a decision to make in the upcoming days. The biggest issue is travel.

[helmethair]

Which conference makes more sense for travel? 

[patriotpride]

If 16 48 doesn't pass and classes stay the same I agree with your east and south alignment but my central and west would look just a little different

South: Watson Chapel, HS Lakeside, White Hall, Hot Springs, Magnolia, Camden Fairview, Hope, DeQueen

East: Greene County Tech, Forrest City, Nettleton, Wynyne, Paragould, Blytheville, Batesville, Valley View

Central: LR McClellan, LR Fair, Jacksonville, Vilonia, Sylvan Hills, North Pulaski, LR Mills, Beebe

West: Greenbrier,PA , Harrison, Clarksville, Farmington, Morrilton, Maumelle, LRC

?

I looked over the list and there are actually nine Pulaski County schools in Class 5A.  Someone in Pulaski County is probably headed west.  Here is my prediction on how the conferences will look in 2014-2016:

Central: LR McClellan, LR Fair, Jacksonville, Pulaski Academy, Sylvan Hills, North Pulaski, LR Mills, LR Christian

East: Greene County Tech, Forrest City, Nettleton, Wynyne, Paragould, Blytheville, Batesville, Valley View

West: Greenbrier, Vilonia, Harrison, Clarksville, Farmington, Morrilton, Maumelle, Beebe

South: Watson Chapel, HS Lakeside, White Hall, Hot Springs, Magnolia, Camden Fairview, Hope, DeQueen

I think Maumelle being the most "north and west" of the Pulaski County schools, plus, with Valley View moving up to 5A, I just can't see Beebe going into any other conference but the West.  Things can change and we all know that, but this is just one person's opinion.

[SouthpawSensation]

Which conference makes more sense for travel? 

The 4A-1, by all means. If Shiloh goes there, its longest trip will to Berryville, which is less than 52 miles one-way.
If Shiloh elects to go to 5A, it gets a 14-mile trip to Farmington, but its next shortest trip will be to Harrison, which is about 75 miles away. Clarksville would be the only one less than 100.
Here's an interesting point, though. Let's say Shiloh wants to play Class 5A. In order to do that, the smallest public school gets the choice of dropping to 4A.
There's just one problem. De Queen and Morrilton are tied for that spot. Who gets the first shot at it?

[ricepig]

Which conference makes more sense for travel? 

The 4A-1, by all means. If Shiloh goes there, its longest trip will to Berryville, which is less than 52 miles one-way.
If Shiloh elects to go to 5A, it gets a 14-mile trip to Farmington, but its next shortest trip will be to Harrison, which is about 75 miles away. Clarksville would be the only one less than 100.
Here's an interesting point, though. Let's say Shiloh wants to play Class 5A. In order to do that, the smallest public school gets the choice of dropping to 4A.
There's just one problem. De Queen and Morrilton are tied for that spot. Who gets the first shot at it?

Why, we use AAA tie breakers, of course.

[Lions84]

Clarendon and Holly Grove combined only got 128 kids in the HS. WOW

[Uncle Ivan]

With Valley View moving up to 5A,

Been saying it was going to happen for ten years, I see it finally did.

In today's paper, it said Shiloh has a decision to make in the upcoming days. The biggest issue is travel.

Their biggest issue is the beatdowns they've taken and will continue to take.

[Brian G]

Who gets the first shot at it?

It's done alphabetically.

[LJ06]

The only logical sense for the 8-4A/2-4A problem would be to bring back Dollarway to 8-4A and let HWH fill the Cardinals void in the 2-4A.  Travel times for some teams in the 8-4A would be brutal having to travel to HWH, ex. Crossett, Hamburg, Warren.

[tmycjy]

here my pick for this of the new classafcation this is what I think they will do but I would not count on it

East                                           West                               Central                               South
Green County tech                      Farmington                      P.A                                     Watson Chapel
Nettleton                                   Clarksville                        LR McCleand                        HS Lakeside
Paragould                                  Harrison                           LR Fair                                White Hall
Blytheville                                  Morrilton                         Beebe                                  Hot Springs
Valley View                               Vilonia                              Jacksonville                         Magnolia
Wynne                                      Greenbrier                       Sylvan Hills                          Camden Fairview
Forrest City                               Maumelle                         North Pulaski                        Hope
Batesville                                   LR Christian                     LR Mills                               Dequeen


this is what I think there do

[sevenof400]

I wouldn't assume Shiloh will want to move up so far for this cycle.

They've decided not to.

Arthurhawgerelli,

How do you know this?   

[sevenof400]

here my pick for this of the new classafcation this is what I think they will do but I would not count on it

East                                           West                               Central                               South
Green County tech                      Farmington                      P.A                                     Watson Chapel
Nettleton                                   Clarksville                        LR McCleand                        HS Lakeside
Paragould                                  Harrison                           LR Fair                                White Hall
Blytheville                                  Morrilton                         Beebe                                  Hot Springs
Valley View                               Vilonia                              Jacksonville                         Magnolia
Wynne                                      Greenbrier                       Sylvan Hills                          Camden Fairview
Forrest City                               Maumelle                         North Pulaski                        Hope
Batesville                                   LR Christian                     LR Mills                               Dequeen


this is what I think there do

If you'd like a visual of this, click here.

Note that you may need to zoom out on the map. 

[tmycjy]

here my pick for this of the new classafcation this is what I think they will do but I would not count on it

East                                           West                               Central                               South
Green County tech                      Farmington                      P.A                                     Watson Chapel
Nettleton                                   Clarksville                        LR McCleand                        HS Lakeside
Paragould                                  Harrison                           LR Fair                                White Hall
Blytheville                                  Morrilton                         Beebe                                  Hot Springs
Valley View                               Vilonia                              Jacksonville                         Magnolia
Wynne                                      Greenbrier                       Sylvan Hills                          Camden Fairview
Forrest City                               Maumelle                         North Pulaski                        Hope
Batesville                                   LR Christian                     LR Mills                               Dequeen


this is what I think there do

If you'd like a visual of this, click here.

Note that you may need to zoom out on the map. 

hey thanks for that

[Lionheart88]

Nice.  Any chance we could get you to do the same with the earlier guesstimates for the 48 team 5A-6A combination?

[arthurhawgerelli]

I wouldn't assume Shiloh will want to move up so far for this cycle.

They've decided not to.

Arthurhawgerelli,

How do you know this?   

I was told by somebody who would know.

[Brian G]

Though likely, it's not a final decision.

[arthurhawgerelli]

Though likely, it's not a final decision.

Seemed pretty final.  Travel expense and all.

[sevenof400]

Though likely, it's not a final decision.

Seemed pretty final.  Travel expense and all.

Life in the 5A does mean a lot of travel....I hope you are correct and Shiloh stays 4A because it will cut down on our travel.  I was just curious as to how you are connected to Shiloh....

Thanks.

[arthurhawgerelli]

Though likely, it's not a final decision.

Seemed pretty final.  Travel expense and all.

Life in the 5A does mean a lot of travel....I hope you are correct and Shiloh stays 4A because it will cut down on our travel.  I was just curious as to how you are connected to Shiloh....

Thanks.

I've got zero connections to Shiloh.  Well, my daughter is a member of one of the Cross Churches, but my information doesn't come from Shiloh.

[HorseFeathers]

Nice.  Any chance we could get you to do the same with the earlier guesstimates for the 48 team 5A-6A combination?

Not Divided into conferences, but here's a map with all the 48 towns/schools marked on it  Link

[sevenof400]

Very nice, HF!

[Ice Water]

If the new proposal passes, I would go 8 conferences of 6 for two reasons. 1) Reduce required travel.  2) Multiples of 8 always work better when constructing brackets.

NW: Siloam, Farmington, Alma, Greenwood, Clarksville, Russellville
NC: Harrison, Mtn. Home, Greenbrier, Vilonia, Morrilton, Maumelle
NE: Paragould, GCT, Jonesboro, Nettleton, Valley View, Blytheville
E: Batesville, Searcy, Beebe, Wynne, Forrest City, Marion
C: Jacksonville, North Pulaski, Sylvan Hills, Hall, PA, LRC
W: Fair, Parkview, Benton, Hot Springs, Lakeside, Lake Hamilton
SE: McClellan, Mills, Sheridan, White Hall, Watson Chapel, Pine Bluff
SW: De Queen, Hope, Texarkana, Fairview, Magnolia, El Dorado