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"The business of college football"
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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 11:18:30 pm »
Hmmmm.....I was kinda hoping that it would show how fast ASU is catching up the THE UofA.....

I guess that we would have to go to the Top 250 to see their progress....

"Arkansas State University....the Boise State of Craighead County..."

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 11:21:38 pm »
No comment :)

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 11:35:39 pm »
Hmmmm.....I was kinda hoping that it would show how fast ASU is catching up the THE UofA.....

I guess that we would have to go to the Top 250 to see their progress....

"Arkansas State University....the Boise State of Craighead County..."

Once again.  Exhibit A.  Someone starting an ASU-UA thing. 

Second of all, I don't think anyone expects ASU to be on the monetary level of those schools, but you can also see that none of that stuff wins games on the field.

Carry on.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2012, 12:25:46 am »
10th in the country..... 7th in the SEC lol

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2012, 12:29:41 am »
I think it is fair to say Arkansas has had a nice winning tradition since 1959...and even further. Just too time consuming to list any further back.

1959 Frank Broyles 9-2 SWC 1st  Won Gator Bowl vs. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, 14–7
1960 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Duke Blue Devils, 6–7 
1961 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC–1st  Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama Crimson Tide, 3–10
1962 Frank Broyles 9-2  SWC Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ole Miss Rebels, 13–17
1963 1963 Frank Broyles 5 5 SWC 4th 
1964 Frank Broyles 11-0  SWC 1st Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Nebraska Cornhuskers, 10–7 
1965 1965 Frank Broyles 10-1  SWC 1st  Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. LSU Tigers, 7–14
1966 Frank Broyles 8-2  SWC  2nd
1967 Frank Broyles 4-5 SWC 5th 
1968 1968 Frank Broyles 10-1  SWC 1st  Won Sugar Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 16–2 
1969 1969 Frank Broyles 9-2 SWC 2nd  Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ole Miss Rebels, 22–27
1970 Frank Broyles 9-2  SWC 2nd
1971 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC 2nd Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Tennessee Volunteers, 13–14 
1972 Frank Broyles 6-5  SWC 4th
1973 1973 Frank Broyles 5-5  SWC 4th
1974 Frank Broyles 6-4 7 SWC 4th
1975 Frank Broyles 10-2  SWC 1st  Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 31–10 
1976 Frank Broyles 5-5 7 SWC  6th
1977 Lou Holtz 11-1  SWC  Won Orange Bowl vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 31–6
1978 Lou Holtz 9-2  SWC  2nd Tied Fiesta Bowl vs. UCLA Bruins, 10–10
1979 Lou Holtz 10-2  SWC 1st Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama Crimson Tide, 9–24
1980 Lou Holtz 7-5 SWC  6th Won Hall of Fame Bowl vs. Tulane Green Wave, 34–15
1981 Lou Holtz 8-4  SWC  Lost Gator Bowl vs. North Carolina Tar Heels, 27–31
1982 Lou Holtz 9-2  SWC  3rd  Won Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl vs. Florida Gators, 28–24
1983 Lou Holtz 6-5 SWC 5th
1984 Ken Hatfield 7-4 SWC 3rd  Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Auburn Tigers, 15–21
1985 Ken Hatfield 10-2  SWC 2nd Won Holiday Bowl vs. Arizona State Sun Devils, 18–17
1986 Ken Hatfield 9-3  SWC  2nd Lost Orange Bowl vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 8–42
1987 Ken Hatfield 9-4 SWC 2nd Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 17–20
1988 Ken Hatfield 10-2  SWC 1st  Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. UCLA Bruins, 3–17
1989 Ken Hatfield 10-2 SWC  1st Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Tennessee Volunteers, 27–31
1990 Jack Crowe 3-8 SWC 7th 
1991 Jack Crowe 6-6  SWC 2nd Lost Independence Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 15–24
1992 Jack Crowe/Joe Kines 3-7 SEC Western 4th
1993 Danny Ford 6-4 SEC Western 2nd
1994 Danny Ford 4-7 SEC Western 4th
1995 Danny Ford 8-5 SEC Western 1st Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Florida Gators, 3–34
Lost Carquest Bowl vs. North Carolina Tar Heels, 10–20
1996 Danny Ford 4-7  SEC Western
1997 Danny Ford 4-7  SEC Western 5th
1998 Houston Nutt 9-3  SEC Western 1st Lost Florida Citrus Bowl vs. Michigan Wolverines, 31–45
1999 Houston Nutt 8-4  SEC Western 3rd Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Texas Longhorns, 27–6 
2000 Houston Nutt 6-6  SEC Western 5th Lost Las Vegas Bowl vs. UNLV Rebels, 14–31
2001 Houston Nutt 7-5  SEC Western 3rd Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 10–3
2002 Houston Nutt 9-5  SEC Western 1st  Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 3–30
Lost Music City Bowl vs. Minnesota Golden Gophers, 14–29
2003 Houston Nutt 9-4  SEC Western 4th Won Independence Bowl vs. Missouri Tigers, 27–14
2004 Houston Nutt 5-6  SEC Western 3rd
2005 Houston Nutt 4-7  SEC Western 4th
2006 Houston Nutt 10-4  SEC Western 1st Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Florida Gators, 28–38
Lost Capital One Bowl vs. Wisconsin Badgers, 14–17
2007 Houston Nutt/Reggie Herring 8-5  SEC Western 3rd Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Missouri Tigers, 7–38 
2008 Bobby Petrino 5-7  SEC Western 4th
2009 Bobby Petrino 8-5  SEC Western 4th Won Liberty Bowl vs. East Carolina Pirates, 20–17 
2010 Bobby Petrino 10-3  SEC Western 2nd Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ohio State Buckeyes, 26–31
2011 Bobby Petrino 11-2  SEC Western 3rd Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Kansas State Wildcats, 29–16
2012 John L. Smith 4-8  SEC Western 6th

Say what you want, but the Razorbacks aren't some DUMP program. Lot of 8,9,10,11 win seasons.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2012, 12:31:09 am »
10th in the country..... 7th in the SEC lol

That's ok. We are in the TOP conference in the state and we have some amazing football company in regard to college football.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2012, 02:37:57 am »
I think it is fair to say Arkansas has had a nice winning tradition since 1959...and even further. Just too time consuming to list any further back.

1959 Frank Broyles 9-2 SWC 1st  Won Gator Bowl vs. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, 14–7
1960 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Duke Blue Devils, 6–7 
1961 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC–1st  Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama Crimson Tide, 3–10
1962 Frank Broyles 9-2  SWC Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ole Miss Rebels, 13–17
1963 1963 Frank Broyles 5 5 SWC 4th 
1964 Frank Broyles 11-0  SWC 1st Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Nebraska Cornhuskers, 10–7 
1965 1965 Frank Broyles 10-1  SWC 1st  Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. LSU Tigers, 7–14
1966 Frank Broyles 8-2  SWC  2nd
1967 Frank Broyles 4-5 SWC 5th 
1968 1968 Frank Broyles 10-1  SWC 1st  Won Sugar Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 16–2 
1969 1969 Frank Broyles 9-2 SWC 2nd  Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ole Miss Rebels, 22–27
1970 Frank Broyles 9-2  SWC 2nd
1971 Frank Broyles 8-3  SWC 2nd Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Tennessee Volunteers, 13–14 
1972 Frank Broyles 6-5  SWC 4th
1973 1973 Frank Broyles 5-5  SWC 4th
1974 Frank Broyles 6-4 7 SWC 4th
1975 Frank Broyles 10-2  SWC 1st  Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 31–10 
1976 Frank Broyles 5-5 7 SWC  6th
1977 Lou Holtz 11-1  SWC  Won Orange Bowl vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 31–6
1978 Lou Holtz 9-2  SWC  2nd Tied Fiesta Bowl vs. UCLA Bruins, 10–10
1979 Lou Holtz 10-2  SWC 1st Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Alabama Crimson Tide, 9–24
1980 Lou Holtz 7-5 SWC  6th Won Hall of Fame Bowl vs. Tulane Green Wave, 34–15
1981 Lou Holtz 8-4  SWC  Lost Gator Bowl vs. North Carolina Tar Heels, 27–31
1982 Lou Holtz 9-2  SWC  3rd  Won Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl vs. Florida Gators, 28–24
1983 Lou Holtz 6-5 SWC 5th
1984 Ken Hatfield 7-4 SWC 3rd  Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Auburn Tigers, 15–21
1985 Ken Hatfield 10-2  SWC 2nd Won Holiday Bowl vs. Arizona State Sun Devils, 18–17
1986 Ken Hatfield 9-3  SWC  2nd Lost Orange Bowl vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 8–42
1987 Ken Hatfield 9-4 SWC 2nd Lost Liberty Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 17–20
1988 Ken Hatfield 10-2  SWC 1st  Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. UCLA Bruins, 3–17
1989 Ken Hatfield 10-2 SWC  1st Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Tennessee Volunteers, 27–31
1990 Jack Crowe 3-8 SWC 7th 
1991 Jack Crowe 6-6  SWC 2nd Lost Independence Bowl vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 15–24
1992 Jack Crowe/Joe Kines 3-7 SEC Western 4th
1993 Danny Ford 6-4 SEC Western 2nd
1994 Danny Ford 4-7 SEC Western 4th
1995 Danny Ford 8-5 SEC Western 1st Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Florida Gators, 3–34
Lost Carquest Bowl vs. North Carolina Tar Heels, 10–20
1996 Danny Ford 4-7  SEC Western
1997 Danny Ford 4-7  SEC Western 5th
1998 Houston Nutt 9-3  SEC Western 1st Lost Florida Citrus Bowl vs. Michigan Wolverines, 31–45
1999 Houston Nutt 8-4  SEC Western 3rd Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Texas Longhorns, 27–6 
2000 Houston Nutt 6-6  SEC Western 5th Lost Las Vegas Bowl vs. UNLV Rebels, 14–31
2001 Houston Nutt 7-5  SEC Western 3rd Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Oklahoma Sooners, 10–3
2002 Houston Nutt 9-5  SEC Western 1st  Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Georgia Bulldogs, 3–30
Lost Music City Bowl vs. Minnesota Golden Gophers, 14–29
2003 Houston Nutt 9-4  SEC Western 4th Won Independence Bowl vs. Missouri Tigers, 27–14
2004 Houston Nutt 5-6  SEC Western 3rd
2005 Houston Nutt 4-7  SEC Western 4th
2006 Houston Nutt 10-4  SEC Western 1st Lost SEC Championship Game vs. Florida Gators, 28–38
Lost Capital One Bowl vs. Wisconsin Badgers, 14–17
2007 Houston Nutt/Reggie Herring 8-5  SEC Western 3rd Lost Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Missouri Tigers, 7–38 
2008 Bobby Petrino 5-7  SEC Western 4th
2009 Bobby Petrino 8-5  SEC Western 4th Won Liberty Bowl vs. East Carolina Pirates, 20–17 
2010 Bobby Petrino 10-3  SEC Western 2nd Lost Sugar Bowl vs. Ohio State Buckeyes, 26–31
2011 Bobby Petrino 11-2  SEC Western 3rd Won Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Kansas State Wildcats, 29–16
2012 John L. Smith 4-8  SEC Western 6th

Say what you want, but the Razorbacks aren't some DUMP program. Lot of 8,9,10,11 win seasons.

That's the thing, no one has ever even tried to claim that UA is on the same level as ASU or vice versa.  No one has said Arkansas isn't a good program.

But too good to play ASU?  Flat out false when you play other teams in our conference.  Our schedule is like a high school schedule, downright stupid, especially when UA plays two schools from our conference some years, and an FCS school below our level. 

At the end of the day Arkansas can spend all the money they want, they can be the flagship of this state, but they have no SEC conference titles and one disputed national championship.  Sure, they're better than ASU.  Same level as Alabama, Texas, and others?  I don't think so.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2012, 02:47:58 am »
How are we not on the same level as Alabama, Texas, and others? We have beaten them before.

Has ASU?

Disputed National Championship? It is still recognized as a National title. Does ASU have a "disputed" National title? No and nowhere close. 

Sure we haven't won an SEC championship...yet...but we have played in it. Would ASU be capable? No.

I understand more than Hog fans that you guys are proud of playing in a couple of bowl games, winning a sun belt title, and such. That is great for the fans. But come on, we compete at two totally different levels of play. Your team is a sun belt team and we play in the SEC. Put you guys in the SEC and you don't win a game. Maybe against a bad kentucky or Vandy team.

I wish we would just play you guys one time, beat the brakes off of you, and end this silly discussion.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2012, 03:09:14 am »
How are we not on the same level as Alabama, Texas, and others? We have beaten them before.

Has ASU?

Disputed National Championship? It is still recognized as a National title. Does ASU have a "disputed" National title? No and nowhere close. 

Sure we haven't won an SEC championship...yet...but we have played in it. Would ASU be capable? No.

I understand more than Hog fans that you guys are proud of playing in a couple of bowl games, winning a sun belt title, and such. That is great for the fans. But come on, we compete at two totally different levels of play. Your team is a sun belt team and we play in the SEC. Put you guys in the SEC and you don't win a game. Maybe against a bad kentucky or Vandy team.

I wish we would just play you guys one time, beat the brakes off of you, and end this silly discussion.

Surely you don't think that Arkansas has the amount of accomplishments that those schools have?  How many big-time college football programs have you heard of that haven't had a conference title in 20 years?  I can't really name one.

ASU has beaten Texas A&M, and played with countless others.  We actually do have a small school national title from 1970.  Go ahead and laugh, but you asked.

Dang right I'm proud.  I'm not going to let any fans of any other schools run down our accomplishments.  We have nothing to be ashamed of. 

We both compete in FBS football, so it's the same level to me.  I don't think you guys get it.  Sure, the SEC is more talented, and at a different level of play, but as ULL proved this year against Florida, WKU against Kentucky, and ULM against Arkansas, it isn't as "different" as you think.  I have full confidence that ASU would compete against SEC teams, especially if they came to Jonesboro.  Of course we aren't going to beat Alabama right now, or LSU, but I think we'd have a chance against Arkansas, Mizzou, Ole Miss (I know for a fact Ole Miss didn't want any part of ASU this year, Freeze said our talent level was much greater than theirs and Ole Miss went 6-6 and is in a bowl game), Mississippi State (barely beat Troy), Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, and maybe Vanderbilt.  That's more than half of the dang conference right there.  I know Florida was good, but they barely got by ULL (whom ASU beat 52-27 AT Lafayette.

I definitely don't think ASU would get beat week in and week out 45-10 or anything ridiculous like that.  We might go 0-8, but we'd play teams close for the most part.  You can look at our results from playing bigger schools the last few years.  Most games are relatively close.  Now if you want the ASU before Roberts took over, then sure we'd be getting our teeth kicked in, but this isn't that ASU.  Our talent level is so much higher now.

But honestly, I don't really care, we don't play in the SEC and we never will, but I assure you those teams I listed off wouldn't have wanted any part of us. 

I have no reason to believe Arkansas would beat the brakes off of us. 

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 03:21:01 am »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 01:06:11 am »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 03:14:51 pm »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.

Most fans of both schools just like to throw out little digs at the other to see what kind of rise they can get. There are some from both who no doubt despise the other school and wouldn't pizz on them if they were on fire, just part of the game.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2012, 03:20:16 pm »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.
kind of like some folks that thought a 4-8 team was going to be a NC contender this year.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2012, 05:25:29 pm »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.
kind of like some folks that thought a 4-8 team was going to be a NC contender this year.


Several national pundits too, but both failed to see how much Petrino meant to the team and coaching staff. I'm sure you have the wolfs in the top 25 already for next year.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 07:34:44 pm »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.
kind of like some folks that thought a 4-8 team was going to be a NC contender this year.


Several national pundits too, but both failed to see how much Petrino meant to the team and coaching staff. I'm sure you have the wolfs in the top 25 already for next year.
I have the wolfs ranked 74.

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 07:42:16 pm »
Of course I don't think we have as much rich tradition as those teams. Come on man I'm a Warrenite, those folks have sense!

Listen, I'm one of the people who can see ASU has improved. And I watched all the TV games this year. I also respect the fact that many alums are proud to be ASU alumni especially a large amount of people that are Warren alums. I have no qualms about that.

However I will argue with fact. We have beaten these top schools before like Bama, LSU, Texas, Texas AM, etc. We play them regularly. My argument is that we aren't some Podunk competitor in the SEC.

I have made the decision to not troll the sun belt board and make ignorant posts regarding the sun belt or ASU. I will continue to honor that. However, not you, but some of your cohorts seem to like to come on the SEC boards and try to run us down equally. It all needs to stop because it is ok for some to cheer for the hogs or wolves without making ridiculous claims about either school.

Yeah Arkansas has beaten some of them.  I don't think anyone tries to argue that ASU has more tradition or is in a better conference.  That's just stupid.

I've seen a couple of ASU fans do that, but maybe I'm just biased, but most of what I've seen is UA fans starting things (like on this thead) and ASU fans defending.  Some ASU fans do make ridiculous claims.  That can be said for any school though.
kind of like some folks that thought a 4-8 team was going to be a NC contender this year.


Several national pundits too, but both failed to see how much Petrino meant to the team and coaching staff. I'm sure you have the wolfs in the top 25 already for next year.
I have the wolfs ranked 74.


I just hope we avoid the bottom 10 next year.    ::)

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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2012, 02:24:12 am »
How are we not on the same level as Alabama, Texas, and others? We have beaten them before.

Has ASU?

Disputed National Championship? It is still recognized as a National title. Does ASU have a "disputed" National title? No and nowhere close. 

Sure we haven't won an SEC championship...yet...but we have played in it. Would ASU be capable? No.

I understand more than Hog fans that you guys are proud of playing in a couple of bowl games, winning a sun belt title, and such. That is great for the fans. But come on, we compete at two totally different levels of play. Your team is a sun belt team and we play in the SEC. Put you guys in the SEC and you don't win a game. Maybe against a bad kentucky or Vandy team.

I wish we would just play you guys one time, beat the brakes off of you, and end this silly discussion.

As sad as it is I have to agree that Arkansas is NOT on the level with Texas or Alabama. Frank Broyles only beat Texas 5 times in 19 years. Texas had some major blowouts against the Hogs. Check the record, Texas owned us in the SWC. As for Alabama....we've beat them in thier worst years. When you go 20 plus years of not winning a Conference Title stopping fooling yourself..... Champions are compared to Champions. Pretenders and contenders don't even know each other !
Remember we have lost to Vandy & Kentucky ! We won't begin to talk about losing to UNLV, Citidale and ULM ????  Yes Arkansas is a great program in State. But go live in Alabama or Florida and see how they yawn at the conversation of them being on the same level. We lose to the Mississippi schools for crying out loud. Is Arkansas better than ASU ? Yes!!!!!  Should they play each other ? Yes !!!
If you can play ULM, Troy and MTSU, why tell the Sun Belt lie that the Hogs have nothing to gain from playing ASU ? We gain what from playing ULM ?

In 1975 Arkansas and ASU had a combined record of 21-2. ASU went undefeated. Played only one close game. A 14-9 win over Cinncinatti. Held everyone else to under 17 points. Arkansas lost to Okie St. and you guessed it, TEXAS ! But Beat Georgia in the Cotton Bowl. ASU sat at home undefeated. Pretty much how things were back then. Arkansas went 9-2 or 8-3 a few years and didn't make it to a Bowl Game as well. Not much respect for such a UA squad wouldn't you say ?
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Re: "The business of college football"
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2012, 11:02:45 am »
Didn't Bama lose to ULM? I have no misconceived notions that Bama and the Hogs are equals, Texas has a rich tradition, but most would say that they woefully fail to equal their hype, talent, riches, or expectations.

 

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