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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2010, 07:39:54 PM »

congrats to Searcy, and coach King.
Well done and deserved!
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2010, 11:00:21 PM »

BGFBPLR... did you even play in this game? id love to know ur position
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #102 on: May 10, 2010, 07:27:29 AM »

Just think about 30 more kids enter the Siloam Springs school district and the Searcy Lions would end up in 5A.  I don't think most people realize that Searcy is the smallest 6A school.  If you take Searcy out the 6A soccer then the conference would for sure be weak. 
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #103 on: May 10, 2010, 12:34:00 PM »

in the box, from behind, last defender? what's the debate about?
Ok. Why is everyone so wound up about this ONE play for. It was a foul in the box with the MH players tackling the Searcy player.Why set here and debate ONE point. Take that goal away and Searcy STILL win 3-0. The other 3 goals were hard earned and STILL beat MH. Move on to another subject,Searcy won the game and dominated the ENTIRE game.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #104 on: May 10, 2010, 01:12:13 PM »

in the box, from behind, last defender? what's the debate about?
Ok. Why is everyone so wound up about this ONE play for. It was a foul in the box with the MH players tackling the Searcy player.Why set here and debate ONE point. Take that goal away and Searcy STILL win 3-0. The other 3 goals were hard earned and STILL beat MH. Move on to another subject,Searcy won the game and dominated the ENTIRE game.

His point is that they lost their sweeper and it changed the whole game.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2010, 01:14:31 PM »

I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.

This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game. 

Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole. 

The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one. 

You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years. 

Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.     
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #106 on: May 10, 2010, 01:28:16 PM »

I would love an overall championship. Bring it on. However, doubt AAA will ever let it happen.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #107 on: May 10, 2010, 01:29:04 PM »

BGFBPLR... did you even play in this game? id love to know ur position

He was the sweeper who got his marching orders.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #108 on: May 10, 2010, 01:50:27 PM »

LOL.  Did anyone ever post the video of the play?
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #109 on: May 10, 2010, 02:08:37 PM »

I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.

This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game. 

Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole. 

The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one. 

You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years. 

Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.     
<br />I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.<br /><br />This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game.  <br /><br />Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole.  <br /><br />The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one.  <br /><br />You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years.  <br /><br />Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.      <br />
<br />I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.<br /><br />This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game.  <br /><br />Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole.  <br /><br />The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one.  <br /><br />You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years.  <br /><br />Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.      <br />
<br />I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.<br /><br />This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game.  <br /><br />Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole.  <br /><br />The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one.  <br /><br />You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years.  <br /><br />Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.      <br />
I agree Searcy cannot be faulted for their accomplishments. Let them enjoy their Championships!
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #110 on: May 10, 2010, 02:58:34 PM »

I think the quality of searcy should be aknowledged... We beat the Russellville (the state runner up)..... Conway (the defending state runner up) and should have beat Cabot  if not for a bogus call in the box! I think searcy deserves the right to say they are capable to hang with 7a schools!
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #111 on: May 10, 2010, 03:56:32 PM »

searcy can win 6a... congrats... just leave it at that, if you dont want people to say you aren't good enough for 5a or 6a then dont say you are.  Just take your 6a record and be happy.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2010, 04:50:15 PM »

searcy can win 6a... congrats... just leave it at that, if you dont want people to say you aren't good enough for 5a or 6a then dont say you are.  Just take your 6a record and be happy.

Searcy could hang in 5a or 7a with no problem.
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« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2010, 06:34:21 PM »

agreed that searcy could hang with 5A or 7A. they wouldn't have the consistency of state championships, but they could def place mid conference and make decent tourney runs.  the huge difference between the divisions is parity...7A seems to have it, few other divisions do.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #114 on: May 10, 2010, 06:45:14 PM »

agreed that searcy could hang with 5A or 7A. they wouldn't have the consistency of state championships, but they could def place mid conference and make decent tourney runs.  the huge difference between the divisions is parity...7A seems to have it, few other divisions do.
I agree with this more or less. They would be in the top half of the conference year in and year out. 4 in a row wouldn't happen, but they'd make the finals often
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« Reply #115 on: May 10, 2010, 07:06:15 PM »

despite what it seems, the 7A really is a craps shoot...there are 4-5 teams every year that could legitimately win it, teams full of club and ODP experience.  Once it gets to the tournament, certain teams seem to have it, CHS being the prime example. I think the full complement of a 7a season could only be good for searcy, they should try to schedule more 7A games for next year. 
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #116 on: May 10, 2010, 07:16:06 PM »

despite what it seems, the 7A really is a craps shoot...there are 4-5 teams every year that could legitimately win it, teams full of club and ODP experience.  Once it gets to the tournament, certain teams seem to have it, CHS being the prime example. I think the full complement of a 7a season could only be good for searcy, they should try to schedule more 7A games for next year. 

They played a few this year. Russellville, Cabot, NLR, Conway.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #117 on: May 10, 2010, 07:34:44 PM »

we know they did... but those games mean nothing... just like a preseason match... i have heard all to much about the games searcy has played, they will stay in 6a and win it because there isn't competition there.  Hopefully someday they will get out of there and we will seem some more quality teams playing each other... until then, congrats on 5 searcy
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #118 on: May 11, 2010, 07:46:44 AM »

I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.

This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off.  It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game. 

Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture).  However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game.  If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole. 

The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it).  Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one. 

You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A.  Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years. 

Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports).  All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer.  I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.     

Perhaps it is time for three classifications instead of four.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2010, 02:57:24 AM »

Since there is no video yet, some more pictures have cropped up. You can almost watch it happen in real time.

http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h1ecf7e64#h12b3f9a3

I think this is the start of the sequence. The next five(ish) pictures show it unfold.

Doesnt show us anything we haven't seen, just thought I'd add (mostly cause it gets Mark Wagners work out there more; excellent ref, excellent photographer)
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #120 on: May 14, 2010, 07:28:54 AM »

Since there is no video yet, some more pictures have cropped up. You can almost watch it happen in real time.

http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h1ecf7e64#h12b3f9a3

I think this is the start of the sequence. The next five(ish) pictures show it unfold.

Doesnt show us anything we haven't seen, just thought I'd add (mostly cause it gets Mark Wagners work out there more; excellent ref, excellent photographer)
I figured there would not be a video.  The pictures say it all.  The Searcy player was not cut off from the ball he was in front of the sweeper who took him down after the keeper was out of the picture.

I have known the center ref for a long time and that call looks correct as can be.  Remember in this case it is not the severity of the foul but a foul denying a goal scoring chance. 

The Mt. Home player who is saying that the center had it out for his team as suddenly disappeared once facts become known.  He needs to apologize publically to the center the way he pubically criticized him.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #121 on: May 14, 2010, 08:13:06 AM »

did he criticize him with his pubis?
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« Reply #122 on: May 14, 2010, 08:24:18 AM »

The first picture is interesting...what was the keeper doing with respect to the ball?  It looks like he totally whiffed on his kick - perhaps the ball was bouncing  - or was there a passback??

Based solely on this first picture it appears the MH sweeper is within playing distance of the ball but what has occurred before this incident would be key. 

I agree we'd need some more pictures in order to judge this solely based on photographs but the 1st picture of this incident does not really allow one to draw any definitive conclusions and the subsequent pictures are all after the fact. 
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« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2010, 08:38:49 AM »

did he criticize him with his pubis?

love it. +1.
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« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2010, 10:03:14 AM »

Since there is no video yet, some more pictures have cropped up. You can almost watch it happen in real time.

http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h1ecf7e64#h12b3f9a3

I think this is the start of the sequence. The next five(ish) pictures show it unfold.

Doesnt show us anything we haven't seen, just thought I'd add (mostly cause it gets Mark Wagners work out there more; excellent ref, excellent photographer)

Nice photos, Looks like a great football tackle.
Number 4's face in the red card picture is priceless.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2010, 10:57:40 AM »

It's the same way he guarded receivers in football. Haha
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« Reply #126 on: May 14, 2010, 11:14:41 AM »

Hellava tackle! lol! Dont know what all the crying is about from Mt Homeboy? he did everything but moleste the poor kid!
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« Reply #127 on: May 14, 2010, 11:35:08 AM »

The video shows Searcy's forward pull the sweepers head down, and in response, the sweeper puts his hands on number 20 and they fall to the ground.  Does look like a tackle at full speed, you have to slow it down to see it.  Tough for an official to make that call.
The controversial call should be the ref taking away MH's goal early in the game because of an offside call which the video shows was wrong.  Should have been 1-0 in favor of MH when the red card happened.

MH players have copies of the game.  Someone should post it.
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« Reply #128 on: May 14, 2010, 12:19:00 PM »

The video shows Searcy's forward pull the sweepers head down, and in response, the sweeper puts his hands on number 20 and they fall to the ground.  Does look like a tackle at full speed, you have to slow it down to see it.  Tough for an official to make that call.
The controversial call should be the ref taking away MH's goal early in the game because of an offside call which the video shows was wrong.  Should have been 1-0 in favor of MH when the red card happened.

MH players have copies of the game.  Someone should post it.
That ball wasn't scored until long after the whistle had blown and the Searcy players had stopped. Plus there is no way your camera was right behind the assistant referee.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #129 on: May 14, 2010, 02:19:13 PM »

Over the course of the last week, there have been debates, ad nauseum, of who was truly at fault in this situation. Bottom line...it makes no difference. As an MH resident, and Bomber supporter, even if this call were to be reversed, it would have made no difference in the outcome. Searcy is just simply too strong because of some very simple differences. Just guessing here, but I would imagine that 9-10 of Searcy's starting 11 have Classics or higher level club experience. When a player learns the technical fundamentals (individual) and the way that soocer should be played from a tactical perspective (team) at a young age, the result is a team like Searcy. Being 40 minutes from Little Rock makes this level of training and competition much easier to achieve.

On the flip side, I think that no more than 2-3 players on the MH side have this same type of background. Is it any wonder then that there is a wide disparity in the way that these two teams play? Given this, I would hope and expect that Searcy and other teams with convenient access to this type of competition and training, would have good success on the soccer field. These would be teams histoically from the Little Rock and Northwest Arkansas areas. Just look at the historical results of past champions, and it bears this out. MH has good athletes across the board, but that's not the same thing as a good soccer player.

So put away your photos and videos because it doesn't make a bit of difference. Congratulations Searcy on a well deserved championship. Maybe when MH or any other school decides to treat soccer seriously from an early age, the technical and tactical abilities of these teams will be much more equal and a 3 peat or 4 peat will truly be an impressive accomplishment.



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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #130 on: May 14, 2010, 03:48:52 PM »

Over the course of the last week, there have been debates, ad nauseum, of who was truly at fault in this situation. Bottom line...it makes no difference. As an MH resident, and Bomber supporter, even if this call were to be reversed, it would have made no difference in the outcome. Searcy is just simply too strong because of some very simple differences. Just guessing here, but I would imagine that 9-10 of Searcy's starting 11 have Classics or higher level club experience. When a player learns the technical fundamentals (individual) and the way that soocer should be played from a tactical perspective (team) at a young age, the result is a team like Searcy. Being 40 minutes from Little Rock makes this level of training and competition much easier to achieve.

On the flip side, I think that no more than 2-3 players on the MH side have this same type of background. Is it any wonder then that there is a wide disparity in the way that these two teams play? Given this, I would hope and expect that Searcy and other teams with convenient access to this type of competition and training, would have good success on the soccer field. These would be teams histoically from the Little Rock and Northwest Arkansas areas. Just look at the historical results of past champions, and it bears this out. MH has good athletes across the board, but that's not the same thing as a good soccer player.

So put away your photos and videos because it doesn't make a bit of difference. Congratulations Searcy on a well deserved championship. Maybe when MH or any other school decides to treat soccer seriously from an early age, the technical and tactical abilities of these teams will be much more equal and a 3 peat or 4 peat will truly be an impressive accomplishment.



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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #131 on: May 14, 2010, 04:01:48 PM »

Over the course of the last week, there have been debates, ad nauseum, of who was truly at fault in this situation. Bottom line...it makes no difference. As an MH resident, and Bomber supporter, even if this call were to be reversed, it would have made no difference in the outcome. Searcy is just simply too strong because of some very simple differences. Just guessing here, but I would imagine that 9-10 of Searcy's starting 11 have Classics or higher level club experience. When a player learns the technical fundamentals (individual) and the way that soocer should be played from a tactical perspective (team) at a young age, the result is a team like Searcy. Being 40 minutes from Little Rock makes this level of training and competition much easier to achieve.

On the flip side, I think that no more than 2-3 players on the MH side have this same type of background. Is it any wonder then that there is a wide disparity in the way that these two teams play? Given this, I would hope and expect that Searcy and other teams with convenient access to this type of competition and training, would have good success on the soccer field. These would be teams histoically from the Little Rock and Northwest Arkansas areas. Just look at the historical results of past champions, and it bears this out. MH has good athletes across the board, but that's not the same thing as a good soccer player.

So put away your photos and videos because it doesn't make a bit of difference. Congratulations Searcy on a well deserved championship. Maybe when MH or any other school decides to treat soccer seriously from an early age, the technical and tactical abilities of these teams will be much more equal and a 3 peat or 4 peat will truly be an impressive accomplishment.



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For the record, Searcy has ONE (1) player this year who plays Classic soccer in the fall for Conway Rush.  There have been Searcy players in the past who've played Classic, but other than the one, none of the Searcy players THIS year played regular Classic games.  Contrary to popular believe, all the Searcy players besides one play in the Searcy Rec league, and received their experience from the Rec league.  Don't go giving any credit to Little Rock Club teams
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #132 on: May 14, 2010, 04:14:57 PM »

2010

6A East Conference Champs (7)
6A State Champions (4)
19-1-1 Regular Season (one tournament)
7-0-0 Conference record
14-0-0 6A schools
3-1-1 7A schools
13 shutouts
Goals 83-9 (2010)
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #133 on: May 14, 2010, 04:28:34 PM »

2010

6A East Conference Champs (7)
6A State Champions (4)
19-1-1 Regular Season (one tournament)
7-0-0 Conference record
14-0-0 6A schools
3-1-1 7A schools
13 shutouts
Goals 83-9 (2010)


They have more conference champs then that, the 7 are just back to back.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #134 on: May 14, 2010, 05:31:41 PM »

I thought so. Just posting what was passed on to me. Do you have the true number?
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #135 on: May 14, 2010, 06:49:40 PM »

I thought so. Just posting what was passed on to me. Do you have the true number?

I know they won it in 01, 02, 04. Not sure about before that. I'm sure they have more. They were always strong in the 5a east and whatever they were in 4a.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #136 on: May 14, 2010, 08:23:34 PM »

Sccrplyr,

Please note that I said Classics or upper level club experience, not who's on a current roster. The skills that are learned early and well last a lifetime. The experience gained from good training and good competition every weekend whether U8, U10 or U12 makes a huge difference in technical and tactical play in highschool.
Case in point, my son, now 14, played Classics in another area and hasn't touched a ball in two years. He gets a ball out and his technical skills are still very good. That's what I see when I watch Searcy. Whether recent or past, those skills are still in place. MH is pretty isolated, good for a lot of things, but bad for soccer. Our kids, by and large, don't receive good, strong early training nor do we see good competition week in week out. That makes a huge difference in individual and team skill levels. I've personally seen it happen.

We're working on it, but it won't happen overnight. Good, competitive and skillful soccer is should be everyone's goal. It benefits the entire Arkansas soccer community. In our case in MH, it's a lot longer road to travel to get to that level, but we are setting out to improve it one step at a time.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #137 on: May 14, 2010, 10:33:28 PM »

Its a pull down by the searcy player. And no its not DOGSO because the ball is 10 yards away with a defender coming right behind and kicking it out.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2010, 11:15:15 PM »

Its a pull down by the searcy player. And no its not DOGSO because the ball is 10 yards away with a defender coming right behind and kicking it out.

It could be DOGSO, depending on where the ball was when the player was brought down, and where the defender was when the player was brought down. Especially with "right behind". But the 10 yards away could very well be an argument against DOGSO for the Distance [to the ball] D.

Eh, I'll ask JP in person tomorrow. Meant to tonight but we had other stuff to go over.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2010, 12:46:20 PM »

ref wouldn't know, he was walking at midfield when the play happened.  That is where he was when MH's goal got taken away for offside.  Video shows that it wasn't close to offside and that the AR did not call it either.  Searcy's players did not quit on the play, they even showed emotion of giving up a goal by puting their hands on their heads in frustration....it is all on tape. 
I do agree however that Searcy would have won anyway, but in a much closer game.  MH should have been ahead 1-0 and had all 11 players.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #140 on: May 15, 2010, 12:59:53 PM »

ref wouldn't know, he was walking at midfield when the play happened.  That is where he was when MH's goal got taken away for offside.  Video shows that it wasn't close to offside and that the AR did not call it either.  Searcy's players did not quit on the play, they even showed emotion of giving up a goal by puting their hands on their heads in frustration....it is all on tape. 
I do agree however that Searcy would have won anyway, but in a much closer game.  MH should have been ahead 1-0 and had all 11 players.
you got to be kidding me? The whistle blew.  Drew settled the ball. The goalkeeper jumped in te air and turned around to protect himself because the play was dead. He would not have done that If the whistle had not been blown. And he was right in front of Drew. That would not of been a goal if he had actually tried.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2010, 04:40:23 PM »

After talking to JP, pretty sure it was DOGSO. He confirmed what we guessed (MH player basically tackled the searcy player).

Intriguing part for nay sayers, JP turned and looked up where three of the higher ups in Arkansas refereeing were sitting, and they all nodded. So either JP got the call right, or all of Arkansas refereeing was in for the fix.

I know which I believe.

Someone please post these videos for the goal disallowed and the tackle. Getting tired of "the video shows" when, honestly, I'm pretty sure the video doesn't show that at all.

Especially the offside. There is no way the "video shows that it wasn't close to offside", since angles, etc.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #142 on: May 15, 2010, 05:15:34 PM »

Yes, please post this video! BGFBPLR said he would of posted earlier in the week. He failed to come through so someone step up and post it!
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #143 on: May 15, 2010, 06:50:08 PM »

I don't have access to a dvd.  I am no longer in MH to borrow one.  BGFBLR please post it.
Searcy would have won the game anyway, they were playing very well.  I am not trying to blame the ref for MH loss, just saying that he should be held accountable for the game he had, and should not be allowed to do another championship game.   The best team won the game.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #144 on: May 15, 2010, 09:38:57 PM »


The only problem I'm having is being able to upload only those parts! I can't upload 80 minutes of film on youtube. Plus you need to watch the disputed play in slow motion I would be happy to send a copy to someone who could do something like that.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #145 on: May 15, 2010, 09:42:02 PM »

Did the play happen in slow motion? It's kind of hard to expect the ref to make his call in regular speed and then critique it in slow motion.
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #146 on: May 15, 2010, 09:51:15 PM »

Camera angle
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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #147 on: May 16, 2010, 05:17:31 PM »

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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2010, 07:09:03 AM »

Check your facts on the AAA before talking.
Hall stays 6A east.
http://www.ahsaa.org/docs/2010-12%20classifications.pdf

Read more, post less, that's for conference play next year.


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Re: 6A State Championship
« Reply #149 on: May 19, 2010, 08:55:55 PM »

See series of photos of the incident here.

http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h12b3f9a3#h12b3f9a3


Coach Steve Roberts at ASU is liking that form
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