in the box, from behind, last defender? what's the debate about?
Quote from: centralarkansas on May 09, 2010, 01:32:45 PMin the box, from behind, last defender? what's the debate about?Ok. Why is everyone so wound up about this ONE play for. It was a foul in the box with the MH players tackling the Searcy player.Why set here and debate ONE point. Take that goal away and Searcy STILL win 3-0. The other 3 goals were hard earned and STILL beat MH. Move on to another subject,Searcy won the game and dominated the ENTIRE game.
BGFBPLR... did you even play in this game? id love to know ur position
I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off. It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game. Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture). However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game. If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole. The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it). Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one. You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A. Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years. Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports). All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer. I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer.
<br />I'm not wound up about this but I think a couple of points are worthwhile.<br /><br />This play led to the first goal of the game and the play resulted in a send off. It's hard to overestimate how much impact this play may have had on the game considering when it occurred and the fact that MH was a man down so early in the game. <br /><br />Please note that I am NOT arguing whether or not the send off was warranted (all I have to go on is the picture). However, those of us who have watched a good bit of soccer know that an early send off certainly has a profound effect on the remainder of the game. If the send off was warranted, then MH dug their own hole. <br /><br />The other point I want to bring up is how do we view/judge/rank Searcy's accomplishments (on both the boys and girls sides while we're at it). Discussion in this and other soccer threads have been struggling with that question and it's not an easy one. <br /><br />You have to salute the performance of Searcy over the past four years but I do think it is fair to ask questions about the quality of the competition Searcy has faced within the 6A. Whether that competitions is of high quality or not, Searcy cannot be faulted for this and you have to recognize their outstanding performance over the past few years. <br /><br />Unfortunately, as high school soccer is currently constructed, their is no way to definitively answer how good a team Searcy is or is not (just as the case is in other sports). All you can do is recognize them for their accomplishments and hope that one day the AAA will come to its senses with respect to high school soccer. I hope we'll see the return of overall championships in basketball and other sports including soccer. <br />
searcy can win 6a... congrats... just leave it at that, if you dont want people to say you aren't good enough for 5a or 6a then dont say you are. Just take your 6a record and be happy.
agreed that searcy could hang with 5A or 7A. they wouldn't have the consistency of state championships, but they could def place mid conference and make decent tourney runs. the huge difference between the divisions is parity...7A seems to have it, few other divisions do.
despite what it seems, the 7A really is a craps shoot...there are 4-5 teams every year that could legitimately win it, teams full of club and ODP experience. Once it gets to the tournament, certain teams seem to have it, CHS being the prime example. I think the full complement of a 7a season could only be good for searcy, they should try to schedule more 7A games for next year.
Since there is no video yet, some more pictures have cropped up. You can almost watch it happen in real time.http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h1ecf7e64#h12b3f9a3I think this is the start of the sequence. The next five(ish) pictures show it unfold.Doesnt show us anything we haven't seen, just thought I'd add (mostly cause it gets Mark Wagners work out there more; excellent ref, excellent photographer)
did he criticize him with his pubis?
The video shows Searcy's forward pull the sweepers head down, and in response, the sweeper puts his hands on number 20 and they fall to the ground. Does look like a tackle at full speed, you have to slow it down to see it. Tough for an official to make that call.The controversial call should be the ref taking away MH's goal early in the game because of an offside call which the video shows was wrong. Should have been 1-0 in favor of MH when the red card happened. MH players have copies of the game. Someone should post it.
Over the course of the last week, there have been debates, ad nauseum, of who was truly at fault in this situation. Bottom line...it makes no difference. As an MH resident, and Bomber supporter, even if this call were to be reversed, it would have made no difference in the outcome. Searcy is just simply too strong because of some very simple differences. Just guessing here, but I would imagine that 9-10 of Searcy's starting 11 have Classics or higher level club experience. When a player learns the technical fundamentals (individual) and the way that soocer should be played from a tactical perspective (team) at a young age, the result is a team like Searcy. Being 40 minutes from Little Rock makes this level of training and competition much easier to achieve.On the flip side, I think that no more than 2-3 players on the MH side have this same type of background. Is it any wonder then that there is a wide disparity in the way that these two teams play? Given this, I would hope and expect that Searcy and other teams with convenient access to this type of competition and training, would have good success on the soccer field. These would be teams histoically from the Little Rock and Northwest Arkansas areas. Just look at the historical results of past champions, and it bears this out. MH has good athletes across the board, but that's not the same thing as a good soccer player. So put away your photos and videos because it doesn't make a bit of difference. Congratulations Searcy on a well deserved championship. Maybe when MH or any other school decides to treat soccer seriously from an early age, the technical and tactical abilities of these teams will be much more equal and a 3 peat or 4 peat will truly be an impressive accomplishment. .
20106A East Conference Champs (7)6A State Champions (4)19-1-1 Regular Season (one tournament)7-0-0 Conference record14-0-0 6A schools3-1-1 7A schools13 shutoutsGoals 83-9 (2010)
I thought so. Just posting what was passed on to me. Do you have the true number?
Its a pull down by the searcy player. And no its not DOGSO because the ball is 10 yards away with a defender coming right behind and kicking it out.
ref wouldn't know, he was walking at midfield when the play happened. That is where he was when MH's goal got taken away for offside. Video shows that it wasn't close to offside and that the AR did not call it either. Searcy's players did not quit on the play, they even showed emotion of giving up a goal by puting their hands on their heads in frustration....it is all on tape. I do agree however that Searcy would have won anyway, but in a much closer game. MH should have been ahead 1-0 and had all 11 players.
Quote from: garcimore on May 06, 2010, 10:07:39 AMCheck your facts on the AAA before talking.Hall stays 6A east.http://www.ahsaa.org/docs/2010-12%20classifications.pdfRead more, post less, that's for conference play next year.CLASS 7A SCHOOLS (LARGEST 16 FOR POSTSEASON COMPETITION) Bentonville, North Little Rock, Cabot, Conway, Little Rock Central, Springdale, Fayetteville, Rogers, Rogers Heritage, Springdale Har-Ber, Fort Smith Southside, Bryant, Fort Smith Northside, Little Rock Hall, West Memphis, Little Rock Catholic/Mount St. Mary
Check your facts on the AAA before talking.Hall stays 6A east.http://www.ahsaa.org/docs/2010-12%20classifications.pdf
See series of photos of the incident here. http://mlwagnerlr.zenfolio.com/arkstatehssoccerschampionships/h12b3f9a3#h12b3f9a3