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Title: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on December 30, 2016, 11:21:07 am
Because I can't leave well enough alone...

QB:
Austin Allen showed some bright flashes this year. He looked great early but faded a little down the stretch after his injury. He picked VT apart in the first half yesterday but also made some really poor second half decisions that put our defense in a tough spot. This offseason he needs to work on his decision making.

RB:
This should be one of the strengths of the team with both Rawleigh Williams and Devwah Whaley set to return. I'm interested to see how TJ Hammonds is used. In his limited time this season he had some very nice runs. We used him a little bit in the wildcat yesterday. There's potential for a three-headed monster in the backfield.

WR:
This is the position where we take the biggest hit from graduation. Hollister, Hatcher, and Morgan are all gone. I'm glad Jared Cornelius elected to return as he will provide some much needed experience. I expect Deon Stewart to contribute as well.
Side note: I think Hatcher is a legit NFL receiver.

TE:
O'Grady did a nice job in place of Sprinkle yesterday. He's faster than I realized for sure. He needs to get bigger and work on his blocking ability. Cantrell will also be a major contributor at this position next year. He is more of a blocker for sure.

OL:
This was a group that struggled mightily early but by the end of the year appeared to be jelling. I was ready to fire Kurt Anderson, but now I'm ready to trust him to work with these guys to make this a dominant group. Our only loss here, while a big loss, is Dan Skipper.

DL:
Oh gosh. This one scares me. I think Agim is ready to come into his own, but we lose Winston, Johnson, Wise and Ledbetter from a group that was already not outstanding.

LB:
Here's a group where I think graduation actually helps us. I think Brooks Ellis is a great person. He plays with so much heart and was a real leader. However, he could never cover a receiver. He was picked apart every single game on crossing patterns (schematic fail by Robb Smith). Dre Greenlaw should shift to MLB flanked by Randy Ramsey and Dwayne Eugene. This could be a pretty good group next year.

Secondary:
This group will keep getting better under Paul Rhoads. They showed marked improvement this year. Henre Toliver and Ryan Pulley are both back at the corners with Santos Ramirez and Josh Liddell back for another year as the safeties.

Special teams:
Toby Baker was a real game-changer at times this year. He'll be missed as the punter. I'm always nervous about our placekicking, but maybe Hedlund can improve? Idk. Now we just need to find someone who can put a kickoff into the end zone every time.....

Coaching:
I'm a little shaky, but I still believe in Bielema. I do want a change at DC. Also, there is a decent chance we could lose Enos at OC.

Projected record:
H: Florida A&M - W
H: TCU - W
D: Texas A&M - L
H: New Mexico State - W
A: South Carolina - W
A: Alabama - L
H: Auburn - L
A: Ole Miss - L
H: Coastal Carolina - W
A: LSU - L
H: Mississippi State - W
H: Missouri - W

7-5 (3-5)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 11:26:58 am
Good analysis of everything position by position. I am thinking 7-5 again too. I would say if the chips fell right 8-4 is possible, but also 6-6 could happen. If we lose to TCU and Texas A&M early.... my goodness we good be staring at a 5-7 season with what we return. I don't think that disaster happens though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 11:33:31 am
What is your general outlook on the SEC as a whole? In the West I would say it goes....

1.Bama(no explanation needed)
2.Auburn (when they were healthy they ran it down peoples' throats plus the Baylor transfer at QB)
3.LSU (the superior talent will get them through, look for them to lose a game they shouldn't like always)

4-7 (throw Arkansas, Miss State, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss in a hat and pick, we will fall here somewhere, got to find ways to win close games here to have a decent season)


The East will be really hard to figure out from top to bottom. On paper Georgia has the best team coming back. I have a feeling though they do the usual UGA thing and drop a game or two that they should not. I would also have to look at everybody's cross divisional games a little better to make even more detailed calls on how I think teams will do. Playing us and Texas A&M I will say South Carolina is sleeper to win the East if they can find a way to get a little better. I don't think they will win the East, just that they are the sleeper out of the bottom four in the East to pull the rabbit out of the hat.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on December 30, 2016, 11:48:36 am
I think we could do as well as 9-3 if things fall right and we can get wins over A&M and Ole Miss.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 30, 2016, 12:00:12 pm
2017 outlook. Apathy

It will be year 5 I believe. It's time to show up or head out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 12:16:43 pm
I think we could do as well as 9-3 if things fall right and we can get wins over A&M and Ole Miss.

I agree with you as those as the key games... If we could get both South Carolina and Ole Miss on the road which are our two winnable road games then we salvage a decent season so I definitely agree with you and we have to win that A&M game eventually too.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 12:18:30 pm
2017 outlook. Apathy

It will be year 5 I believe. It's time to show up or head out.

If we go 6-6 or 5-7 I would have no idea how you keep him around.... That would be doing nothing in 5 years. I don't care what his buyout is at some point he would have to show results. A 5-7 season and you would see tons of empty seats in 2018 if they kept him.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on December 30, 2016, 12:26:16 pm
TCU is key. Fan bases start with fresh hope every season. A win at home against a  power five school ( ranked or not) will get the hope flowing  higher. A loss, early in the year,  and Mizzou and  VT will be fresh in the minds and it could start getting ugly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 01:23:53 pm
If we go 6-6 or 5-7 I would have no idea how you keep him around.... That would be doing nothing in 5 years. I don't care what his buyout is at some point he would have to show results. A 5-7 season and you would see tons of empty seats in 2018 if they kept him.

Of course, you aren't funding it, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on December 30, 2016, 01:31:59 pm
Of course, you aren't funding it, lol.
do you think the people funding it are happy with a $4 mil a year sub .500 coach? Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 02:50:56 pm
do you think the people funding it are happy with a $4 mil a year sub .500 coach? Lol

Happy, no, ready to make a change, absolutely not.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on December 30, 2016, 03:42:09 pm
Happy, no, ready to make a change, absolutely not.
so, in your opinion, they attribute the mediocrity to the skill level and lack of execution as a purely player issue. No coaching issues?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 03:58:03 pm
so, in your opinion, they attribute the mediocrity to the skill level and lack of execution as a purely player issue. No coaching issues?

Did I say that? I said they aren't prepared/ready to make a change.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on December 30, 2016, 04:00:26 pm
Did I say that? I said they aren't prepared/ready to make a change.
wanting to but not ready to?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 04:05:49 pm
wanting to but not ready to?

Still deciding, he gets another year, for sure. It will depend on what changes he makes to the staff, we'll know after the first of the year. I expect two at a minimum, but maybe more. It will depend on next season to a large degree.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 05:26:05 pm
Of course, you aren't funding it, lol.

Nope, and never will. I spend all my cash traveling.... Best thing an young man who isn't married can do with his free time.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 05:39:57 pm
Nope, and never will. I spend all my cash traveling.... Best thing an young man who isn't married can do with his free time.

Well, some travel to Fayetteville to watch their team play. I enjoy traveling, that's what bye weeks or for, haha. I just think it's so cavalier for those with no skin in the game willing to spend other's money for their wants and wishes.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 30, 2016, 06:06:18 pm
Anyone who pay state taxes has skin in the game. It is the University of Arkansas , not the university of walmart or tyson...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 06:08:06 pm
Anyone who pay state taxes has skin in the game. It is the University of Arkansas , not the university of walmart or tyson...

Yeah, take that info to the ticket office and see what it buys you.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 30, 2016, 06:17:53 pm
If I'm not mistaken that stadium sits on state owned land and the team that plays in that stadium is a representative of the University of Arkansas, therefore the people of Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on December 30, 2016, 06:36:17 pm
The amount of your tax dollar that goes anywhere near that stadium is minuscule.  Therefore, you and I along with Rice have minuscule skin in the game.  Those of us that give to the foundation have a little more.  Stephens, Walmart and Tyson have major skin in it. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 30, 2016, 06:46:03 pm
I know my taxes are miniscule, I've already said the 50cents of my tax dollars is all they're going to get, but that land belongs to the state therefore the people of the state not the foundation
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 07:26:10 pm
The amount of your tax dollar that goes anywhere near that stadium is minuscule.  Therefore, you and I along with Rice have minuscule skin in the game.  Those of us that give to the foundation have a little more.  Stephens, Walmart and Tyson have major skin in it.

He has a skin follicle so small it can't be discerned with an electron microscope. I agree, I don't amount to a drop in the bucket, but others do. What is different these days from the past is the amount of TV money from the conference. I don't think Long has as much invested in any one big booster. Now, he courts them all, but I don't think the wagged the dog as in past years, or as it is at other schools. Case in point, they were trying to sell their Founder's Suites, they cost $3.5M and there are 10 of them. He asked a couple of our larger boosters about one, and they laughed at him. No problem, two people that had never donated anything big were asked out of the blue, "sure when do you want the check".
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on December 30, 2016, 08:13:48 pm
I know my taxes are miniscule, I've already said the 50cents of my tax dollars is all they're going to get, but that land belongs to the state therefore the people of the state not the foundation

You are right.  I won't argue that. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 30, 2016, 08:57:50 pm
Anyone who pay state taxes has skin in the game. It is the University of Arkansas , not the university of walmart or tyson...

Or university of "I'm an alumni" or "I am a former frat boy who likes to tailgaite with friends".
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 09:01:52 pm
Or university of "I'm an alumni" or "I am a former frat boy who likes to tailgaite with friends".

Jealousy isn't very becoming of you, lol. I'm sorry you don't have friends from college that you enjoy seeing. I guess wearing the old "W" letter jacket on Friday night's is more your thing......
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 30, 2016, 09:07:42 pm
Jealousy isn't very becoming of you, lol. I'm sorry you don't have friends from college that you enjoy seeing. I guess wearing the old "W" letter jacket on Friday night's is more your thing......

My best friends are my friends I went to high school with and college. I see them on a regular basis. We don't have to run back to college to "show off".

What in the world do I have to be jealous about in regard to your alumni choice? I am not the one who gets on here and tells us over and over and over that you are a U of A graduate like it means something to someone. Congratulations, you're just another graduate of a university. Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 30, 2016, 09:12:48 pm
My best friends are my friends I went to high school with and college. I see them on a regular basis. We don't have to run back to college to "show off".

What in the world do I have to be jealous about in regard to your alumni choice? I am not the one who gets on here and tells us over and over and over that you are a U of A graduate like it means something to someone. Congratulations, you're just another graduate of a university. Welcome to the club.

I thought that might fire you up a little. I explain my stance by stating why I donate, or why I go to games, etc.....it gives a perspective from my stance/point of view, that's all. My friends from college have spread out across the state and different states, we meet up at games, or duck club.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 30, 2016, 09:47:50 pm
If I'm not mistaken that stadium sits on state owned land and the team that plays in that stadium is a representative of the University of Arkansas, therefore the people of Arkansas.

+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 30, 2016, 11:14:39 pm
I thought that might fire you up a little. I explain my stance by stating why I donate, or why I go to games, etc.....it gives a perspective from my stance/point of view, that's all. My friends from college have spread out across the state and different states, we meet up at games, or duck club.
Congratulations! Outstanding Rice...Alumni and tailgater of mediocrity...what a success...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 08:56:41 am
Congratulations! Outstanding Rice...Alumni and tailgater of mediocrity...what a success...

Yeah, I'm not a bandwagon fan, sue me.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2016, 10:07:15 am
Maybe a stronger showing of support for the NE AR team (Red Wolves) would get the attention of the powers that be on the Hill!  At least we would see  some winning football!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on December 31, 2016, 10:27:53 am
Maybe a stronger showing of support for the NE AR team (Red Wolves) would get the attention of the powers that be on the Hill!  At least we would see  some winning football!

Yeah.... winning football.... till they play UCA🙄
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 10:39:49 am
Maybe a stronger showing of support for the NE AR team (Red Wolves) would get the attention of the powers that be on the Hill!  At least we would see  some winning football!

What's stopping you from watching them?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on December 31, 2016, 10:44:59 am
Rice.... you need to go shoot some ducks, I need to go catch some crappie... you know...something positive!  The negativity on here is like a dark cloud...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 31, 2016, 11:08:30 am
Rice.... you need to go shoot some ducks, I need to go catch some crappie... you know...something positive!  The negativity on here is like a dark cloud...

No offense. But the negativity is warranted. Losing is one thing. But a 24-0 lead meltdown is just not acceptable. It won't be bielema but someone needs to have a head roll.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on December 31, 2016, 11:13:21 am
Bring in Rex Ryan as DC
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 11:17:41 am
No offense. But the negativity is warranted. Losing is one thing. But a 24-0 lead meltdown is just not acceptable. It won't be bielema but someone needs to have a head roll.

I agree, there will be some changes made, just wait until next week, but before the 12th-13th.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 11:18:51 am
Rice.... you need to go shoot some ducks, I need to go catch some crappie... you know...something positive!  The negativity on here is like a dark cloud...

No doubt, I'd rather just eat some crappie, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 11:20:14 am
Odds BB is still the coach 10 days after the 2017 season? I will say 75% he isn't....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 11:35:26 am
Odds BB is still the coach 10 days after the 2017 season? I will say 75% he isn't....

What would you wish to wager on that? If, and I seriously doubt it, he'll be let go after Jan 1st, that will save about $4-5M.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 31, 2016, 11:35:37 am
If we do fire him or he leaves....we better have a good backup plan or an idea of who we are hiring. I will be extremely disappointed if we bring in some Derek Dooley up in comer type garbage to lead our team.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 11:40:32 am
If we do fire him or he leaves....we better have a good backup plan or an idea of who we are hiring. I will be extremely disappointed if we bring in some Derek Dooley up in comer type garbage to lead our team.

Yep, I agree.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 11:45:13 am
What would you wish to wager on that? If, and I seriously doubt it, he'll be let go after Jan 1st, that will save about $4-5M.

That sounds about right... We go 5-7 and get in a bowl as the last 5-7 team selected and lose to go to 5-8 and he is fired on January 2nd. Then we usher in the Bobby P era "Part 2"
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 01:16:49 pm
That sounds about right... We go 5-7 and get in a bowl as the last 5-7 team selected and lose to go to 5-8 and he is fired on January 2nd. Then we usher in the Bobby P era "Part 2"

Who is going to be Bobby P, part 2?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 01:48:58 pm
Who is going to be Bobby P, part 2?

Harley Davidson rides are coming back to The Hill....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2016, 02:01:44 pm
What's stopping you from watching them?
Who is to say that I don't watch them?  A whole lot less arrogance over in that part of the state.  It does appear that at least State is capable of making adjustments to salvage their season, I believe they started 0-4 on the season, once again shared the conference title.  I believe it is 4 years in a row now that they have won/shared the title.  Yes, I will save you the time, I know it is the Sun Belt!

Mack, at least they are willing to play another in state school!  More than can be said about the pigs.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 02:07:38 pm
Who is to say that I don't watch them?  A whole lot less arrogance over in that part of the state.  It does appear that at least State is capable of making adjustments to salvage their season, I believe they started 0-4 on the season, once again shared the conference title.  I believe it is 4 years in a row now that they have won/shared the title.  Yes, I will save you the time, I know it is the Sun Belt!

Mack, at least they are willing to play another in state school!  More than can be said about the pigs.

BB is too scared for Arkansas to play a real non conference schedule. He would rather play Coastal Carolina, Florida A&M, and New Mexico State. Playing one halfway decent power 5 doesn't make your schedule good when you play 3 other absolute garbage teams. TCU was flat out mediocre this year after their really good years. They will probably be 4th, 5th, or 6th in the Big 12 again next year and we will call that a "tough" non conference game. The only reason Arkansas salvages a semi normal record next year is because our non conference schedule is so weak. We should be thanking Michigan because we would have been thumped at the big house.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2016, 02:13:42 pm
BB is too scared for Arkansas to play a real non conference schedule. He would rather play Coastal Carolina, Florida A&M, and New Mexico State. Playing one halfway decent power 5 doesn't make your schedule good when you play 3 other absolute garbage teams. TCU was flat out mediocre this year after their really good years. They will probably be 4th, 5th, or 6th in the Big 12 again next year and we will call that a "tough" non conference game. The only reason Arkansas salvages a semi normal record next year is because our non conference schedule is so weak. We should be thanking Michigan because we would have been thumped at the big house.
Exactly, the basketball team is beginning to take on the same look.  When we play someone decent - Well, we lose!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 02:15:30 pm
Exactly, the basketball team is beginning to take on the same look.  When we play someone decent - Well, we lose!

I agree, Its actually bumming me out watching the basketball team. The football Hogs I could care less with the guy in charge.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 02:19:01 pm
BB is too scared for Arkansas to play a real non conference schedule. He would rather play Coastal Carolina, Florida A&M, and New Mexico State. Playing one halfway decent power 5 doesn't make your schedule good when you play 3 other absolute garbage teams. TCU was flat out mediocre this year after their really good years. They will probably be 4th, 5th, or 6th in the Big 12 again next year and we will call that a "tough" non conference game. The only reason Arkansas salvages a semi normal record next year is because our non conference schedule is so weak. We should be thanking Michigan because we would have been thumped at the big house.

Let's see, first you moron about the schedule, and then when a series gets pulled by the other team, you moron some more about Arkansas. The best I can figure out is you like to moron about everything. TCU may be whatever next year, they have been very good, and they have been ok. I'm betting when we win a game, you say it's because the other team played bad, or were overrated.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 31, 2016, 02:19:39 pm
Going to watch some real football now, Alabama is playing!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on December 31, 2016, 03:28:09 pm
Let's see, first you moron about the schedule, and then when a series gets pulled by the other team, you moron some more about Arkansas. The best I can figure out is you like to moron about everything. TCU may be whatever next year, they have been very good, and they have been ok. I'm betting when we win a game, you say it's because the other team played bad, or were overrated.
Since BB has been here Arkansas has been way overrated! IMO
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 04:35:53 pm
Let's see, first you moron about the schedule, and then when a series gets pulled by the other team, you moron some more about Arkansas. The best I can figure out is you like to moron about everything. TCU may be whatever next year, they have been very good, and they have been ok. I'm betting when we win a game, you say it's because the other team played bad, or were overrated.

I am a moron for calling Coastal Carolina, New Mexico State, and Florida A&M terrible competition?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 31, 2016, 05:39:25 pm
I put 2+2 together and apparently rice lost his cool but thankfully the language filter caught it for him and replaced it with moron. In my best Goober voice, "citizens arrest, citizens arrest!!" Name calling is not allowed on this forum
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 31, 2016, 05:44:15 pm
I put 2+2 together and apparently rice lost his cool but thankfully the language filter caught it for him and replaced it with moron. In my best Goober voice, "citizens arrest, citizens arrest!!" Name calling is not allowed on this forum

More than the language filter they need automatic spell check on this site....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 31, 2016, 05:45:16 pm
Well if you can't tell, he's not that smart
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 05:53:20 pm
I am a moron for calling Coastal Carolina, New Mexico State, and Florida A&M terrible competition?

Moron is a replacement word for one that stars with a b. Go look at every SEC team, the vast majority play 1 decent/tough OOC game, and the rest about equal to ours. Now, if TCU and Michigan were at their top, or stayed on the schedule would you complain?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 05:57:13 pm
I put 2+2 together and apparently rice lost his cool but thankfully the language filter caught it for him and replaced it with moron. In my best Goober voice, "citizens arrest, citizens arrest!!" Name calling is not allowed on this forum

Mad, not hardly, I guess the b word is bad to you. I'll use complain next time, for your virgin ears.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 31, 2016, 06:02:59 pm
Bad for me, no but apparently it is for FF. I didn't set the language filters. Are you ever right?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 06:08:48 pm
Bad for me, no but apparently it is for FF. I didn't set the language filters. Are you ever right?

Dude, I'm never wrong, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 31, 2016, 06:29:45 pm
Clemson has a freshman WR named mike Williams. #1 WR per Todd Mcshay. From Vance, SC. There is your difference in top programs and us.

1. Location. South Carolina teams don't have to go elsewhere due to its own in state talent. And proximity to outside state talent.
2. Whether it's South Carolina or Clemson, in state talent stays home.

It matters folks.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 31, 2016, 06:38:22 pm
Well aw you know we have it but it's usually below I-40 and overlooked.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 06:41:49 pm
Clemson has a freshman WR named mike Williams. #1 WR per Todd Mcshay. From Vance, SC. There is your difference in top programs and us.

1. Location. South Carolina teams don't have to go elsewhere due to its own in state talent. And proximity to outside state talent.
2. Whether it's South Carolina or Clemson, in state talent stays home.

It matters folks.


He's no freshman.


http://247sports.com/Player/Mike-Williams-10555
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 06:45:58 pm
Well aw you know we have it but it's usually below I-40 and overlooked.

We've had 4* in south Arkansas that were overlooked?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on December 31, 2016, 06:50:26 pm
I don't believe in the star system and neither do the coaches. They should recruit what fits their system and not rely on a rating system from some guys who have probably never lined up. I think you said that to remember, coaches don't let recruiting sites recruit for them
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 31, 2016, 06:52:58 pm

He's no freshman.


http://247sports.com/Player/Mike-Williams-10555

Misheard them then. Thought he was a Fr.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 06:53:43 pm
I don't believe in the star system and neither do the coaches. They should recruit what fits their system and not rely on a rating system from some guys who have probably never lined up. I think you said that to remember, coaches don't let recruiting sites recruit for them

They don't, but that didn't answer the question, as usual.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on December 31, 2016, 06:54:22 pm
Misheard them then. Thought he was a Fr.

Nope, but he missed all of last year with a neck injury, I believe.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 01, 2017, 09:45:52 am
lol...I have figured it out...Rice is actually the "Sunshine Pumper" himself...Ole Rick Schaeffer...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 01, 2017, 10:27:29 am
Ole Rick Schaeffer...

That guy is awful haha.....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 01, 2017, 10:51:36 am
UA athletics is not where it ought to be.  Anybody care to explain why?
Talent? Coaching?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 01, 2017, 12:58:41 pm
Before he's on TV again in an SEC storied, someone needs to get him a professional haircut. I'll foot the bill if i have to.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 01, 2017, 01:25:01 pm
Before he's on TV again in an SEC storied, someone needs to get him a professional haircut. I'll foot the bill if i have to.

Back when I was in college it had snowed/sleeted/iced and I was heading down Stadium Dr to the house, I hit a patch and boloed his car, I should have hit it harder, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: SackAttack on January 01, 2017, 08:33:48 pm
UA athletics is not where it ought to be.  Anybody care to explain why?
Talent? Coaching?
As for football we typically recruit to a 5-7 or6-6 season and we expect our coaches to get them to 9-3 or10-2. Not going to happen in the SEC. Plain and simple we dont have enough across the board talent to get to an elite level. Not trying to be negative but ask yourself how many of our OL could start for other teams in the conference. 2 Ragnow and skipper. DL zero Linebackers 1 Greenlaw when hes healthy. We were good enough in the other spots. All in my opinion only.

Basketball is totally on the coaching staff and style of play!! 100% bust there
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 01, 2017, 08:44:34 pm
As for football we typically recruit to a 5-7 or6-6 season

What? I almost laughed when I saw this.... We play three teams a year in non conference every year which all three of them combined probably don't even sniff our athletic budget. For example, next year it is Florida A&M, New Mexico State, and Coastal Carolina. We also get the luxury of playing Missouri every year now, then we should always at least split the Mississippi schools. There are 5 games we should NEVER lose every season as it is unacceptable to lose to teams that don't have the resources of an SEC West program. College is not pro. As a major program you should walk into a season check marking at least 4 wins. So you are telling me you are ok with going 2-6 or 1-7 in the rest of the tough games we play?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 01, 2017, 08:50:19 pm


Basketball is totally on the coaching staff and style of play!! 100% bust there

In basketball we can't land top recruits anymore because who wants to play in front of an arena with 60% of the seats filled? Except for like 2 games this year we can barely fill the seats. Watch a Big Ten, ACC, or Big East game and look at the crowd. That is why kids go to other schools besides Arkansas and most SEC schools in basketball. If I was 18 and a top 100 recruit I would never go to Arkansas. I love the basketball Hogs to death, but its the harsh truth. I wouldn't come here. It's obvious as day that the Midwest and east coast cares about basketball more than the South and recruits know it too.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: SackAttack on January 01, 2017, 08:51:35 pm
I never anywhere in that said I was okay with it.Quite the contrary! I said this is what we do. We recruit to the tune of a 5-7 or 6-6 season. Do you see 10-2 or 9-3 talent on our sideline?? I dont! Yes there are 4 built in wins every year. This is merely my observation!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: SackAttack on January 01, 2017, 09:08:36 pm
In basketball we can't land top recruits anymore because who wants to play in front of an arena with 60% of the seats filled? Except for like 2 games this year we can barely fill the seats. Watch a Big Ten, ACC, or Big East game and look at the crowd. That is why kids go to other schools besides Arkansas and most SEC schools in basketball. If I was 18 and a top 100 recruit I would never go to Arkansas. I love the basketball Hogs to death, but its the harsh truth. I wouldn't come here. It's obvious as day that the Midwest and east coast cares about basketball more than the South and recruits know it too.
Agree and no big time recruit wants to come to Arkansas and play 24-25 minutes a game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: fastdrop on January 02, 2017, 06:28:55 am
Agree and no big time recruit wants to come to Arkansas and play 24-25 minutes a game.
not just Arkansas in the SEC............

Cal can go to any state in the SEC and grab the next pro player that state produces. Hurts every program in SEC states. Louisville is the only team I can think of that has done very well during this one and done era of semi pro college basketball in a SEC state.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 02, 2017, 11:44:35 am
Moron is a replacement word for one that stars with a b. Go look at every SEC team, the vast majority play 1 decent/tough OOC game, and the rest about equal to ours. Now, if TCU and Michigan were at their top, or stayed on the schedule would you complain?

Careful... BG Lockmaster is gonna shut ya'll down🤐
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 02, 2017, 01:50:04 pm
I spit my "pop" out when i read skipper could start for anyone else. That dude gets beat more than a red headed step child
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 02, 2017, 04:20:28 pm
I spit my "pop" out when i read skipper could start for anyone else. That dude gets beat more than a red headed step child

Some would probably disagree.


https://twitter.com/RazorbackFB/status/809168101589876736
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: SackAttack on January 02, 2017, 05:34:49 pm
I spit my "pop" out when i read skipper could start for anyone else. That dude gets beat more than a red headed step child
This sounds like experience talking to me!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 02, 2017, 09:12:23 pm
Lesser talent, lesser coaching?  I'd say we are starting to see the effect of both.  Except for die-hard Arkansas fans raised in state, who would choose UA over Bama, LSU, GA, Auburn, Florida, TN, , not many for sure.  KY in basketball, can have any AR kid it wants, can't blame em.  BB needs to worry less about his media time and work on scheme and recruiting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 02, 2017, 10:48:46 pm
I spit my "pop" out when i read skipper could start for anyone else. That dude gets beat more than a red headed step child
Hate to agree with ya, but you are right.  The worst All American I have seen, pass blocking skills are non existant. The NFL will prove this if he plays at a tackle position.  Just too slow with his feet!  IMO!  Most QB sacks came at skippers missed blocks!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on January 02, 2017, 10:59:52 pm
Lesser talent, lesser coaching?  I'd say we are starting to see the effect of both.  Except for die-hard Arkansas fans raised in state, who would choose UA over Bama, LSU, GA, Auburn, Florida, TN, , not many for sure.  KY in basketball, can have any AR kid it wants, can't blame em.  BB needs to worry less about his media time and work on scheme and recruiting.
Well said!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 03, 2017, 02:30:55 am
Some would probably disagree.


https://twitter.com/RazorbackFB/status/809168101589876736
4.2 million  and yes we are skipping out on the wins!  At this point the pigs would rather steal, spit, fight, embarrass and lose!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 03, 2017, 08:09:34 am
http://hogcountryonline.com/is-there-really-a-winning-culture-in-place-with-razorbacks-from-the-top/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 09:27:54 am
That article is spot on. Nobody can tell me that the Razorback football program should be average year in and year out. This has been proven, CBP proved it just a few years ago. We can talk recruiting base, blah, blah, blah all day long. Bottom line is...CBB is getting paid 4 million a year. That my friends is above average pay for doing an average job. That doesn't and shouldn't fly. Now, if average is what we want to be...then just dissolve the program. We may never be Bama, not many are...but we should be well above average. 8 to 9 wins per year with the occasional run at the SEC title game would be great. Winning 10 games once every four years should be doable...

Folks, we are not even close to 10 games...and we have facilities that rival any in the nation...money doesn't seem to be an object...we have had quality assistants...

Year 5 is time...the building and re-building is over...you can't use that excuse every year because every other school does the same thing, every other school loses key players...it's time next year. Win or start hiring planes to fly over the stadium... ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 03, 2017, 09:36:39 am
That article is spot on. Nobody can tell me that the Razorback football program should be average year in and year out. This has been proven, CBP proved it just a few years ago. We can talk recruiting base, blah, blah, blah all day long. Bottom line is...CBB is getting paid 4 million a year. That my friends is above average pay for doing an average job. That doesn't and shouldn't fly. Now, if average is what we want to be...then just dissolve the program. We may never be Bama, not many are...but we should be well above average. 8 to 9 wins per year with the occasional run at the SEC title game would be great. Winning 10 games once every four years should be doable...

Folks, we are not even close to 10 games...and we have facilities that rival any in the nation...money doesn't seem to be an object...we have had quality assistants...

Year 5 is time...the building and re-building is over...you can't use that excuse every year because every other school does the same thing, every other school loses key players...it's time next year. Win or start hiring planes to fly over the stadium... ;)

This is certainly the year of reckoning or redemption for coach B.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 09:48:32 am
This is certainly the year of reckoning or redemption for coach B.

I doubt there will be any that disagree with this. The win total and finishes will have to improve, or the chapter will start closing on this book.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 03, 2017, 10:37:57 am
I doubt there will be any that disagree with this. The win total and finishes will have to improve, or the chapter will start closing on this book.

Meanwhile Wisconsin continues to roll.

2013 9-4
2014 11-3
2015 10-3
2016 11-3
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 11:18:45 am
Meanwhile Wisconsin continues to roll.

2013 9-4
2014 11-3
2015 10-3
2016 11-3

They've had a successful, stable program for years, that helps.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 03, 2017, 11:20:41 am
They've had a successful, stable program for years, that helps.
they had three different head coaches in three years during that span. So there's that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 11:39:20 am
they had three different head coaches in three years during that span. So there's that.
CBB inherited a good program from Barry Alvarez and rode that wave...I think we have all figured out that CBB cannot build a program... ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: zebradynasty on January 03, 2017, 11:44:42 am
they had three different head coaches in three years during that span. So there's that.

The link posted above brings out, WE or somebody has to wonder if Arkansas has a winning culture? The fact that Wisconsin hasn't skipped a beat since losing BB and has never had a problem closing out games...kinda points to Arkansas not having a winning culture. BB is paid well to make us into one but right now there are more questions than answers concerning the football program.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 03, 2017, 11:44:52 am
CBB inherited a good program from Barry Alvarez and rode that wave...I think we have all figured out that CBB cannot build a program... ;)
he is also complacent. There may be ( should be) something going on behind the scenes with regards to coaching changes but Urban Meyer has already changed OC after his dumpster fire Saturday night.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 03, 2017, 12:27:48 pm
The link posted above brings out, WE or somebody has to wonder if Arkansas has a winning culture? The fact that Wisconsin hasn't skipped a beat since losing BB and has never had a problem closing out games...kinda points to Arkansas not having a winning culture. BB is paid well to make us into one but right now there are more questions than answers concerning the football program.



Excellent point. As a fan of the hogs for 31 years, I don't think we have a solid culture of winning. I think as a program, we hope to win. Winning programs go into games knowing they will win.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 01:46:30 pm
they had three different head coaches in three years during that span. So there's that.

Correct, they weren't firing them were they? Because, there's that......also, check you math on head coaches, unless you're counting Barry's one game. Andersen for two years, and Chryst for two.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 01:56:11 pm
The link posted above brings out, WE or somebody has to wonder if Arkansas has a winning culture? The fact that Wisconsin hasn't skipped a beat since losing BB and has never had a problem closing out games...kinda points to Arkansas not having a winning culture. BB is paid well to make us into one but right now there are more questions than answers concerning the football program.

Wisconsin lost to PSU after leading 28-14 at the half, led OSU 16-6 at half, and that's just this year, I haven't bothered to look at the other three years.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: zebradynasty on January 03, 2017, 02:24:50 pm
Wisconsin lost to PSU after leading 28-14 at the half, led OSU 16-6 at half, and that's just this year, I haven't bothered to look at the other three years.

Well according to the link, " In four years, there have been 14 games where Arkansas was leading at halftime theyíve ended up losing. In six of those games the Hogs were leading in the fourth quarter." You'll be hard pressed to find a team in the P-5 that can top that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 02:40:48 pm
Well according to the link, " In four years, there have been 14 games where Arkansas was leading at halftime theyíve ended up losing. In six of those games the Hogs were leading in the fourth quarter." You'll be hard pressed to find a team in the P-5 that can top that.
ZD, there are certain CBB supporters that could watch CBB set an old widow ladies home on fire with her in it...and all they would say is, "Wow those are pretty flames"...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 02:49:20 pm
Well according to the link, " In four years, there have been 14 games where Arkansas was leading at halftime theyíve ended up losing. In six of those games the Hogs were leading in the fourth quarter." You'll be hard pressed to find a team in the P-5 that can top that.

Hmm.....don't believe I ever disagreed with you on Arkansas, I just pointed out your fallacy on Wisconsin. Maybe you should have used another school?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 03, 2017, 03:02:21 pm
Wisconsin was in the title game and won the cotton bowl. There's that
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: zebradynasty on January 03, 2017, 03:41:38 pm
Hmm.....don't believe I ever disagreed with you on Arkansas, I just pointed out your fallacy on Wisconsin. Maybe you should have used another school?

LOL! They couldn't have blown too many leads because L they been winning about 10 games a year for the last 4 years! That's why I compared the two we've blown 14 leads in 4 years and and during the same time Wisconsin lost 13 games period. Wisconsin doesn't have a problem closing out games.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 03:42:38 pm
Wisconsin was in the title game and won the cotton bowl. There's that

Correct, just think if they hadn't blown those halftime leads.......
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 03, 2017, 03:43:08 pm
Correct, they weren't firing them were they? Because, there's that......also, check you math on head coaches, unless you're counting Barry's one game. Andersen for two years, and Chryst for two.
so changing head coaches regardless of who's decision is more stable? Oh yeah, my bad on the math. Three coaches in 4 years. That's much more stable and cements your point. Give me a break. Bert is and will be mediocre. If there are no changes on the coaching staff that really will tell you all you need to know.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 03:43:59 pm
LOL! They couldn't have blown too many leads because L they been winning about 10 games a year for the last 4 years! That's why I compared the two we've blown 14 leads in 4 years and and during the same time Wisconsin lost 13 games period. Wisconsin doesn't have a problem closing out games.

Except for the ones they don't, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 03:47:01 pm
so changing head coaches regardless of who's decision is more stable? Oh yeah, my bad on the math. Three coaches in 4 years. That's much more stable and cements your point. Give me a break. Bert is and will be mediocre. If there are no changes on the coaching staff that really will tell you all you need to know.

Sure it is, it  isn't a dumpster fire like most after a losing season. If you don't think there's a difference between what Wisconsin had and what Arkansas had four years ago..........As far as changes, there will 2 minimum, possibly up to 4.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 04:02:46 pm
lolololol...changes on the hill...there is only one change that would matter...you could give Ole Bert...

OC - Josh McDaniels Patriots
DC - Buddy Ryan in his prime

Qb - Tom Brady
Rb - Emmitt Smith
Wr - Jerry Rice
Wr - Michael Irvin
TE - Jason Witten
OL - The Cowboys OL in Jimmie Johnson's heydey...

The 85 Bears whole defense
and Jimmie Johnson as his Assistant coach

And Bert would still be average and lose games...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 04:17:49 pm
I guess we'll watch for two more years and see if the Bears defense helps them.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 04:19:56 pm
You bet we will, because our Ad is inept...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 03, 2017, 04:24:55 pm
You bet we will, because our Ad is inept...

Well, it would seem to me that those wanting a change would be pushing the boosters/administration to make a change at the AD position, much cheaper than the coach, and would be in charge when a change would have to be made.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 03, 2017, 04:45:35 pm
Bret bielema for AD.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 03, 2017, 08:27:33 pm
Well, it would seem to me that those wanting a change would be pushing the boosters/administration to make a change at the AD position, much cheaper than the coach, and would be in charge when a change would have to be made.

These guys just need to be patient.  In two years if we don't have something magical happen, he'll be gone.  To do it before, and pay out the buyout would be stupid.  If anyone thinks we should, they're idiots.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 03, 2017, 09:15:23 pm
These guys just need to be patient.  In two years if we don't have something magical happen, he'll be gone.  To do it before, and pay out the buyout would be stupid.  If anyone thinks we should, they're idiots.

Well have fun with a 6-6 season and 7-5 season the next two years.....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 03, 2017, 11:37:50 pm
I think a 6-6 season would be the end of the road IMO.I hope they can pull out a few more wins than that though they've got some good players coming back.Hopefully they can have a good recruiting year to.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 03, 2017, 11:38:42 pm
Well have fun with a 6-6 season and 7-5 season the next two years.....
Oh they will be...mediocrity is running rampant on here... ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: FD4 on January 04, 2017, 09:33:59 am
The solution is simple, and no one wants to admit it, except me maybe.  Get out of the SEC and get in the Sun Belt where you belong and can compete.  Then you can crow.  The political machine on the hill has ham strung the hogs far too long.  So long in fact you have to ask if the U of A will ever get back to what it was in the 60's and 70's when they had real coaching and less politics.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 09:40:46 am
Do the Tuberville rumors have traction? That might be a pretty good hire if he still has fire and a passion to teach defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 04, 2017, 09:51:53 am
Well have fun with a 6-6 season and 7-5 season the next two years.....

I'll save this quote, and we'll see how good your  prognostic skills are.  I see a minimum 8 wins next year.  I doubt any of you guys predicted 8 this year.  Most picked 6/7.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 04, 2017, 09:58:31 am
I'll save this quote, and we'll see how good your  prognostic skills are.  I see a minimum 8 wins next year.  I doubt any of you guys predicted 8 this year.  Most picked 6/7.
Well Mack, we have three gimme's (Maybe) so that means Bert will have to win 5 games...who do you see us beating?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 10:09:45 am
I'll save this quote, and we'll see how good your  prognostic skills are.  I see a minimum 8 wins next year.  I doubt any of you guys predicted 8 this year.  Most picked 6/7.

I did, I had us 8-4, so that makes me a homer by the realists definition.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 10:12:26 am
Do the Tuberville rumors have traction? That might be a pretty good hire if he still has fire and a passion to teach defense.

Um....what rumor would that be? As DC, I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 01:51:23 pm
Um....what rumor would that be? As DC, I don't see it.
the rumor that Tommy Tuberville interviewed in Fayetteville. I heard it on the Buzz so it has to be true.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 02:47:59 pm
the rumor that Tommy Tuberville interviewed in Fayetteville. I heard it on the Buzz so it has to be true.

For what position?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 04, 2017, 02:51:29 pm
I love these coaching rumors and coach sightings mumbo jumbo at the end of every season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 04, 2017, 03:24:51 pm
Well Mack, we have three gimme's (Maybe) so that means Bert will have to win 5 games...who do you see us beating?

FL A&M
TCU
T A&M
NM State
Missouri
OM
Coastal Carolina

And one out of here.....
South Carolina
Mississippi St
Auburn

If we won all ten, some of ya'll would go apoplectic on me....

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 04, 2017, 04:13:29 pm
They won't win all 10!  They will certainly find a way to lose at least 2 that they should win.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 04, 2017, 04:27:21 pm
They won't win all 10!  They will certainly find a way to lose at least 2 that they should win.

I said 8.... the 10 was hypothetical.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 04, 2017, 05:05:08 pm
It's hypothetical to go 0-12 too. I see another 6 loss season coming
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 05:14:44 pm
For what position?
i don't know. I just heard that he interviewed. You got the connections. Find out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 05:16:03 pm
i don't know. I just heard that he interviewed. You got the connections. Find out.
He interviewed back in 1997, unfortunately, we chose Nutt, there's a connection for you.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 06:04:48 pm
He interviewed back in 1997, unfortunately, we chose Nutt, there's a connection for you.
nevermind. Your such an ***.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 04, 2017, 06:05:41 pm
I did, I had us 8-4, so that makes me a homer by the realists definition.

I picked 8-4 in preseason too....I'm more a realist than the trolls that get all giddy inside when they watch their "team" lose...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 06:56:35 pm
nevermind. Your such an ***.

I read several Razorback boards, not a one of them mention Tuberville, much less interviewing for anything. So, take your Buzz rumor and run with it, or do with it as you choose. You knew when you quoted the source of the rumor, what it was worth.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 07:15:57 pm
I read several Razorback boards, not a one of them mention Tuberville, much less interviewing for anything. So, take your Buzz rumor and run with it, or do with it as you choose. You knew when you quoted the source of the rumor, what it was worth.
hence the question does it have traction.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 04, 2017, 07:39:22 pm
They've had a successful, stable program for years, that helps.
they had three different head coaches in three years during that span. So there's that.

that points to leadership.  Think past coach, now A.D.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 07:42:36 pm
hence the question does it have traction.

Well, since I didn't hear what they said, and you seem to be vague as to what was said, I can't answer that beyond what I just mentioned above, not a peep on any of the Razorback boards I read. And believe me, they've had every name mentioned for a position that doesn't currently appear to be open.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 04, 2017, 09:15:40 pm
It's hypothetical to go 0-12 too. I see another 6 loss season coming

I'm having a little trouble understanding your point...  Aren't all preseason predictions hypothetical?  We'll just have to wait and see if you're right.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 04, 2017, 09:17:14 pm
OK, how many of you haters are ready for us to pony up 13 million to fire him.  I'm curious how many of you are just mad... or actually nuts.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 09:26:18 pm
OK, how many of you haters are ready for us to pony up 13 million to fire him.  I'm curious how many of you are just mad... or actually nuts.

It would probably take close to $20M to buyout the head coach, the two coordinators, the rest of the staff, and pay the buyout for whomever we are hiring, except of course Chip Kelley since he just got fired again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 04, 2017, 09:35:29 pm
I was right this year in the loss column
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 04, 2017, 09:37:18 pm
I've plainly stated we couldn't afford to get rid of him this year, but we could get rid of the guy who made it impossible to move on if he didn't work out. Long needs to go for the extension after 2 horrible seasons
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on January 04, 2017, 09:45:47 pm
Well, since I didn't hear what they said, and you seem to be vague as to what was said, I can't answer that beyond what I just mentioned above, not a peep on any of the Razorback boards I read. And believe me, they've had every name mentioned for a position that doesn't currently appear to be open.
ok. Thanks for the explanation. I was asking the question wondering if anyone else knew/heard anything. I'm just like Schultz. I know nothing pertaining to Tuberville other than hearing it mentioned on the radio this morning.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 04, 2017, 09:56:38 pm
I heard nick saban was on UofAF campus today
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 04, 2017, 09:57:32 pm
ok. Thanks for the explanation. I was asking the question wondering if anyone else knew/heard anything. I'm just like Schultz. I know nothing pertaining to Tuberville other than hearing it mentioned on the radio this morning.

I don't listen to sports talk radio shows, especially local caller driven ones. It's like message boards except you have to listen to the idiots instead of clicking on the next thread, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 04, 2017, 11:02:02 pm
I'll save this quote, and we'll see how good your  prognostic skills are.  I see a minimum 8 wins next year.  I doubt any of you guys predicted 8 this year.  Most picked 6/7.
i said 7 wins at most but to let two games get away from them at the end of the season that they should have won unbelievable no coaching is all I can say.maybe it will be better next year I hope so.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 05, 2017, 09:06:07 am
Rice is right, CBB will be here next year because of the buyout. The UA would be crazy to pay that kind of money then have to search for a new coach. That part of the equation is squarely on Jeff Long for giving an extension after a miserable season. Next year is a different story. We will see. As for the rumors, no Jimmie Johnson isn't coming back to his Alma Mater, Jon Gruden wasn't on the Hill yesterday and was not seen eating lunch with Jeff Long at McDonald's...Tommy Tuberville would be a bigger mistake than CBB. Maybe Barry Switzer? yeah, that may happen...
So it begs the question, what does Arkansas need. Like him or not, like what he did or not...but the FACT remains that Bobby Petrino had us winning 10 games in back to back seasons and very reputable bowl games. So, above average can be done at the UofA. Nobody can argue that. Trying to argue that is just plain stupid. Heck guys, even Nutt had some very good seasons. But look where we are at now. Below average if you go by wins and losses. How could anyone be happy and condone that. Are we at the point where we are predicting 8 win seasons and then happy if we reach that goal? Facts are facts folks, CBB's record speaks for itself. We can blame recruiting, assistant coaches and so forth but every other coach had the same problems. Face it, under CBB we are a .500 program...it is clear for everyone to see in black and white. Assistants may have messed up, but they were hired by CBB and he is the head hog. It lies squarely on his shoulders. So, how long should he get? We lose quite a bit this year...Oline, our whole Dline. So when does the rebuilding process end and we start having above average seasons?

Also, some of you talking about us "Realists"...what's wrong with that? Just because we don't like those "Feel Good" wins (AKA as close losses). A Loss is a loss. That is real and that is why we are realistic which makes us realists. The Hogs blowing two substantial halftime leads in back to back games is real. One we lost to a miserable Mizzou team...again that is real. Losing 14 leads during CBB's time here at Arkansas is real. Being average is real. His record of 25-26 and 10-22 in conference is real.
Making a prediction that year 5 will be better is a fairy tail at this point. That's not being real, that is being wishful and hopeful. Nothing wrong with that either. I also hope we go 15-0 and win the NC. Heck, I hope we win 10 games and go to a good bowl. But I am a "Realist" and base what I know off of history...and history tells me we will be average. I hope I am proved wrong.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 05, 2017, 10:30:09 am
Rice is right, CBB will be here next year because of the buyout. The UA would be crazy to pay that kind of money then have to search for a new coach. That part of the equation is squarely on Jeff Long for giving an extension after a miserable season. Next year is a different story. We will see. As for the rumors, no Jimmie Johnson isn't coming back to his Alma Mater, Jon Gruden wasn't on the Hill yesterday and was not seen eating lunch with Jeff Long at McDonald's...Tommy Tuberville would be a bigger mistake than CBB. Maybe Barry Switzer? yeah, that may happen...
So it begs the question, what does Arkansas need. Like him or not, like what he did or not...but the FACT remains that Bobby Petrino had us winning 10 games in back to back seasons and very reputable bowl games. So, above average can be done at the UofA. Nobody can argue that. Trying to argue that is just plain stupid. Heck guys, even Nutt had some very good seasons. But look where we are at now. Below average if you go by wins and losses. How could anyone be happy and condone that. Are we at the point where we are predicting 8 win seasons and then happy if we reach that goal? Facts are facts folks, CBB's record speaks for itself. We can blame recruiting, assistant coaches and so forth but every other coach had the same problems. Face it, under CBB we are a .500 program...it is clear for everyone to see in black and white. Assistants may have messed up, but they were hired by CBB and he is the head hog. It lies squarely on his shoulders. So, how long should he get? We lose quite a bit this year...Oline, our whole Dline. So when does the rebuilding process end and we start having above average seasons?

Also, some of you talking about us "Realists"...what's wrong with that? Just because we don't like those "Feel Good" wins (AKA as close losses). A Loss is a loss. That is real and that is why we are realistic which makes us realists. The Hogs blowing two substantial halftime leads in back to back games is real. One we lost to a miserable Mizzou team...again that is real. Losing 14 leads during CBB's time here at Arkansas is real. Being average is real. His record of 25-26 and 10-22 in conference is real.
Making a prediction that year 5 will be better is a fairy tail at this point. That's not being real, that is being wishful and hopeful. Nothing wrong with that either. I also hope we go 15-0 and win the NC. Heck, I hope we win 10 games and go to a good bowl. But I am a "Realist" and base what I know off of history...and history tells me we will be average. I hope I am proved wrong.


+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 05, 2017, 08:51:13 pm
Apathy is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 05, 2017, 10:07:44 pm
Apathy is a wonderful thing.
I don't know if Apathy is the proper term here AW...I think everyone has interest and cares...it's just everyone has a different way of showing how they support or don't...now after the finish we had this season and nobody was talking or arguing...then we might should be a little worried...lol...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 05, 2017, 10:14:25 pm
Rice is right, CBB will be here next year because of the buyout. The UA would be crazy to pay that kind of money then have to search for a new coach. That part of the equation is squarely on Jeff Long for giving an extension after a miserable season. Next year is a different story. We will see. As for the rumors, no Jimmie Johnson isn't coming back to his Alma Mater, Jon Gruden wasn't on the Hill yesterday and was not seen eating lunch with Jeff Long at McDonald's...Tommy Tuberville would be a bigger mistake than CBB. Maybe Barry Switzer? yeah, that may happen...
So it begs the question, what does Arkansas need. Like him or not, like what he did or not...but the FACT remains that Bobby Petrino had us winning 10 games in back to back seasons and very reputable bowl games. So, above average can be done at the UofA. Nobody can argue that. Trying to argue that is just plain stupid. Heck guys, even Nutt had some very good seasons. But look where we are at now. Below average if you go by wins and losses. How could anyone be happy and condone that. Are we at the point where we are predicting 8 win seasons and then happy if we reach that goal? Facts are facts folks, CBB's record speaks for itself. We can blame recruiting, assistant coaches and so forth but every other coach had the same problems. Face it, under CBB we are a .500 program...it is clear for everyone to see in black and white. Assistants may have messed up, but they were hired by CBB and he is the head hog. It lies squarely on his shoulders. So, how long should he get? We lose quite a bit this year...Oline, our whole Dline. So when does the rebuilding process end and we start having above average seasons?

Also, some of you talking about us "Realists"...what's wrong with that? Just because we don't like those "Feel Good" wins (AKA as close losses). A Loss is a loss. That is real and that is why we are realistic which makes us realists. The Hogs blowing two substantial halftime leads in back to back games is real. One we lost to a miserable Mizzou team...again that is real. Losing 14 leads during CBB's time here at Arkansas is real. Being average is real. His record of 25-26 and 10-22 in conference is real.
Making a prediction that year 5 will be better is a fairy tail at this point. That's not being real, that is being wishful and hopeful. Nothing wrong with that either. I also hope we go 15-0 and win the NC. Heck, I hope we win 10 games and go to a good bowl. But I am a "Realist" and base what I know off of history...and history tells me we will be average. I hope I am proved wrong.
+1 well said
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 06, 2017, 06:42:50 am
I don't know if Apathy is the proper term here AW...I think everyone has interest and cares...it's just everyone has a different way of showing how they support or don't...now after the finish we had this season and nobody was talking or arguing...then we might should be a little worried...lol...

Im going to do a better job within myself to not listen to preseason hype by the university, idiots like Trey Biddy, etc who make ridiculous claims and excuses all year long. I'm also not going to get irritated by 18-21 year old kids or by a coach that I have ZERO control over. Just enjoy the game win or lose. Life is too short to get bent out of shape over a program that has been in this shape my entire 31 years on earth.

So, I guess that's my apathy meaning haha. It is what it is.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 06, 2017, 06:44:26 am
Im going to do a better job within myself to not listen to preseason hype by the university, idiots like Trey Biddy, etc who make ridiculous claims and excuses all year long. I'm also not going to get irritated by 18-21 year old kids or by a coach that I have ZERO control over. Just enjoy the game win or lose. Life is too short to get bent out of shape over a program that has been in this shape my entire 31 years on earth.

So, I guess that's my apathy meaning haha. It is what it is.

That's my attitude, the fans that don't want to talk any Arkansas football until they lose bother me more than the team does anymore lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: FD4 on January 06, 2017, 08:33:44 am
Venny, that is perhaps one of the best posts I have ever read from you on any subject on this forum.  Well said and I agree with it 100%.  I would love to be the Hog fan as I once was.  My loyalty to the hill began to fade when Lou left under the principal with which he did.  I thought Danny Ford got the shaft right up the rear when He could have been playing for a national championship in his next season.  Nutt took those 3 and 4 year guys Ford had placed up there and came within one offensive play boobo against Tennessee and one failed stop vs M. State from doing so.  Ken did good, Bobby was perhaps the best we had since Lou and letting Gus get away was the biggest modern era mistake ever made up there.  Who ever gets that job up there in the future, needs to tell Jeff to go take a hike, get out of his way, and let him run the FB  program.  It takes a dedicated individual to deliver success the likes of which all Arkansans want for the U of A.  Your going to have to have a guy like a young Bill Snyder when he arrived at KSU.  Retired in 20 years or so having taken the worst record in D1 to 1st in 3 seasons.  Only to be asked back in 3 years to re-resurrect the program again.  Next season will be his last probably and should be something like 26 seasons.  "FAMILY". 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2017, 09:38:35 am
Venny, that is perhaps one of the best posts I have ever read from you on any subject on this forum.  Well said and I agree with it 100%.  I would love to be the Hog fan as I once was.  My loyalty to the hill began to fade when Lou left under the principal with which he did.  I thought Danny Ford got the shaft right up the rear when He could have been playing for a national championship in his next season.  Nutt took those 3 and 4 year guys Ford had placed up there and came within one offensive play boobo against Tennessee and one failed stop vs M. State from doing so.  Ken did good, Bobby was perhaps the best we had since Lou and letting Gus get away was the biggest modern era mistake ever made up there.  Who ever gets that job up there in the future, needs to tell Jeff to go take a hike, get out of his way, and let him run the FB  program.  It takes a dedicated individual to deliver success the likes of which all Arkansans want for the U of A.  Your going to have to have a guy like a young Bill Snyder when he arrived at KSU.  Retired in 20 years or so having taken the worst record in D1 to 1st in 3 seasons.  Only to be asked back in 3 years to re-resurrect the program again.  Next season will be his last probably and should be something like 26 seasons.  "FAMILY".

Arkansas fans, PTB, and just the media theses days, aren't going to let a coach struggle like Snyder did at K-State, or Beamer at VT at their beginning. Long did what he could with a huge buyout, and is getting roasted at the stake for it. There won't be another buyout structured like it again, haha.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 06, 2017, 10:30:32 am
Longs biggest mistake was the extension that wasn't deserved by bert
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 06, 2017, 11:26:49 am
Longs biggest mistake was the extension that wasn't deserved by bert

Well, the President of the system, the Fayetteville Chancellor, and the BOT all signed off on it, as well as the RF.........
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 06, 2017, 11:50:42 am
I understand, and they're all idiots too
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on January 06, 2017, 12:15:22 pm
Looks like Robb Smith will be the new DC at Wake Forest
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2017, 12:26:52 pm
Well, the President of the system, the Fayetteville Chancellor, and the BOT all signed off on it, as well as the RF.........
At that point the BOT, RF, President and Chancellor didn't want to go against Jeff's wishes...a show of suport if you will. Now it is biting everyone in the tail...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 06, 2017, 02:39:23 pm
I would be surprised if BB is gone any earlier than after next season.  May see some movement in staff.  Defense maybe?  Who knows.  One thing I know, players win games, and to lose games after big leads is as much a player failure as anything.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 06, 2017, 03:31:55 pm
Players don't get paid 4.6 million a year to run the team. Everything points at the head coach from players to poor adjustments
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on January 06, 2017, 04:15:39 pm
Robb Smith is expected to accept the defensive coordinator job at Wake Forest.

If true, the defense has already improved!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 06, 2017, 04:15:56 pm
Looks like Robb Smith will be the new DC at Wake Forest
If this is true, then good luck to Wake Forest!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 06, 2017, 07:06:50 pm
He is denying the rumor...PLEASE, PLEASE Wake Forest...OFFER HIM! ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 07, 2017, 02:37:52 am
He is denying the rumor...PLEASE, PLEASE Wake Forest...OFFER HIM! ;D

They held
La Tech to 23 points below their average
Texas State to 12 points below
The D2 school even got held to 10+ points below their average
ol'miss to 2 below avg
florida to 2 touchdowns below

Bad part is the two games leaving a sour taste in everyone's mouth VT averaged 34.9 points a game, they scored 35....they even scored 35 against Clemson, and Missouri averaged 27.1 points a game....

Why is everyone so upset with the Defense when the offense is clearly what let you down, your offense averaged 28 points a game and just didn't get it done. You lose the best part of your team if he goes......just sayin
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 07, 2017, 10:00:13 am
They held
La Tech to 23 points below their average
Texas State to 12 points below
The D2 school even got held to 10+ points below their average
ol'miss to 2 below avg
florida to 2 touchdowns below

Bad part is the two games leaving a sour taste in everyone's mouth VT averaged 34.9 points a game, they scored 35....they even scored 35 against Clemson, and Missouri averaged 27.1 points a game....

Why is everyone so upset with the Defense when the offense is clearly what let you down, your offense averaged 28 points a game and just didn't get it done. You lose the best part of your team if he goes......just sayin

Lack of adjustments being made after the half in those last two games.... The defense looked jr high bad in second half against VA tech
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 07, 2017, 11:54:11 am
Yeah they gave up those points in a half of a game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 07, 2017, 07:42:56 pm
+1 well said

I wish I had s nickel for every time you've posted" but I hope I'm wrong ".

Basically, I see it going something  like this....
They won eight games...
Yeah, but it's year five, they should have won the West by now.
They won 9 games....
Yeah, but it's year five and they didn't beat Alabama.
And so on....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 07, 2017, 09:48:40 pm
I wish I had s nickel for every time you've posted" but I hope I'm wrong ".

Basically, I see it going something  like this....
They won eight games...
Yeah, but it's year five, they should have won the West by now.
They won 9 games....
Yeah, but it's year five and they didn't beat Alabama.
And so on....
So Mack, please tell us all...when is the rebuilding done and when should we expect CBB to start earning his 4 million per year? Year 5, 6, 7...15...20? I mean when is enough, enough. In my opinion...we should have saw some improvement by year 4...7-6 is not acceptable. So let's give him year 5, he is gonna get it anyway. In year 5 if he goes 7-6 and loses in the Dollar General everything's a dollar or less Bowl" in Mudtown Tennessee to Slippery Rock...should we still say, well he lost this or that...he will get better in year 6 and so forth. When is enough, enough?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 07, 2017, 10:30:10 pm
I see something like this year, 7-6 well we have to give him one more year to get his system in place. Next year is 6-6, well we have to give him one more year because Alabama only beat us by 3 points. And so on...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 07, 2017, 10:49:43 pm
I wish I had s nickel for every time you've posted" but I hope I'm wrong ".



I wish I had a nickel for every time you guys defended a blabber mouth full of mediocrity....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 07, 2017, 11:46:48 pm
+1 BB
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 07, 2017, 11:57:41 pm
I wish I had a nickel for every time you guys defended a blabber mouth full of mediocrity....

If I had a nickel Everytime an Arkansas fan complained I wouldn't be on here and would own an island in the Caribbean...This game is fun...

Btw....Wisconsin fans wanted him gone after year 1 too....soooo
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 08, 2017, 12:48:54 am
If I had a nickel Everytime an Arkansas fan complained I wouldn't be on here and would own an island in the Caribbean...This game is fun...

Btw....Wisconsin fans wanted him gone after year 1 too....soooo
Soooooooooo, he is gone from Wisconsin and they are probably about where they should be, playing solid fundamental football and winning!  Where are the pigs?  We are breaking all of the wrong records if you haven't noticed!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 08, 2017, 12:51:40 am
Soooooooooo, he is gone from Wisconsin and they are probably about where they should be, playing solid fundamental football and winning!  Where are the pigs?  We are breaking all of the wrong records if you haven't noticed!

Where in my post did I say that bielema shouldn't be in the hot seat? I was making an observation...Clay Travis once called Arkansas fanbase the most bipolar in the nation...One half is ALWAYS angry and the other half is usually optimistic sunshine pumping. The petrino years showed me that when there was people wanting him gone cause he wouldn't start Tyler Wilson over Mallet...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 08, 2017, 01:00:18 am
I was only making an observation or your post!  Sorry if I stepped on your toes!  Are you one of the bi-polars?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 08, 2017, 01:05:09 am
I was only making an observation or your post!  Sorry if I stepped on your toes!  Are you one of the bi-polars?

I'm one of the ones that sits back and watches everyone stress out and get their panties in a wad
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 08, 2017, 01:38:56 am
Me as well!  But, we do reach a point where we have to call a spade a spade!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 08, 2017, 03:11:05 pm
Just how long is long enough?  I've heard 3 and 3--5 so when is enough time enough time?  These guys get a lot of money!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 08, 2017, 07:14:17 pm
Just how long is long enough?  I've heard 3 and 3--5 so when is enough time enough time?  These guys get a lot of money!

I'd say he should go into the 2017 season with his hotseat at about a 6 out of 10....The Hogs weren't favored going into the VA Tech game, but you can't blow a 24 point halftime lead, right after blowing a second half lead to Mizzou and not have some consequences....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 08, 2017, 09:17:28 pm
I agree with the 6 out of 10 on the hot seat.  By next year he needs to be in the 8-9 win category.  Then no step backward the next year, or au revoir.  He's got to develop consistency.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 08, 2017, 09:17:49 pm
They weren't favored because of games like mizzou. Come on man, saying they weren't favored is another poor excuse.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 08, 2017, 10:13:48 pm
Im going to do a better job within myself to not listen to preseason hype by the university, idiots like Trey Biddy, etc who make ridiculous claims and excuses all year long. I'm also not going to get irritated by 18-21 year old kids or by a coach that I have ZERO control over. Just enjoy the game win or lose. Life is too short to get bent out of shape over a program that has been in this shape my entire 31 years on earth.

So, I guess that's my apathy meaning haha. It is what it is.
been 56 years for 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 09, 2017, 12:15:27 am
sure it isn't 52?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 09, 2017, 12:23:01 am
I'd say he should go into the 2017 season with his hotseat at about a 6 out of 10....The Hogs weren't favored going into the VA Tech game, but you can't blow a 24 point halftime lead, right after blowing a second half lead to Mizzou and not have some consequences....
No, Hot seat is - get it done or be gone!  CBB has the players that HE recruited for his system/type of game!  At this point, there are no more excuses!  Recruit bad players - cost you your job! Hire bad coaches - cost you your job!  There are no more excuses for bad football.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 09, 2017, 10:10:59 am
sure it isn't 52?
well if you count the national championship in 64 it would be, and I do count that one.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lions84 on January 09, 2017, 10:52:29 am
Bottom line they got to fix this big lead at the HALF and nothing in the second and losing the game.  IE the zoo and bowl game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on January 09, 2017, 01:15:47 pm
Robb Smith to Minnesota as DC
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 09, 2017, 02:55:24 pm
Robb Smith to Minnesota as DC

I thought you said to Wake Forest last week?? Lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on January 09, 2017, 03:25:27 pm
That's what all reports were saying. This was out of the blue
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 09, 2017, 03:27:31 pm
That's what all reports were saying. This was out of the blue

Oh, I know, and really, it wasn't. Smith and Fleck were on the staff together at Rutgers.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on January 09, 2017, 03:34:42 pm
Didn't know that. I hope smith doesn't ruin Fleck's career
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on January 09, 2017, 10:25:34 pm
No, Hot seat is - get it done or be gone!  CBB has the players that HE recruited for his system/type of game!  At this point, there are no more excuses!  Recruit bad players - cost you your job! Hire bad coaches - cost you your job!  There are no more excuses for bad football.

You obviously aren't a businessman if you'd fire him after next season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 07:41:12 am
It's obvious who isn't very business savvy after giving an extension for poor performance.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 09:56:31 am
It's obvious who isn't very business savvy after giving an extension for poor performance.

The extension wasn't the problem, find me a P5 coach that doesn't have 4-6 years on their contract every year, few and far between.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 10:39:12 am
No, an extension isn't a problem when you have earned it. Giving one because other coaches have them is just plane ridiculous. He could have given an extension with a restructured buyout. Giving the CEO of KMart an extension because the CEO at Walmart has earned one would never happen in the business world.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 12:36:55 pm
No, an extension isn't a problem when you have earned it. Giving one because other coaches have them is just plane ridiculous. He could have given an extension with a restructured buyout. Giving the CEO of KMart an extension because the CEO at Walmart has earned one would never happen in the business world.

Is that a jet or turbo prop plane? Some might think that making a bowl after two seasons of not making one deserves an extension. I said the buyout wasn't a good idea, but it is if you don't plan on firing someone during its run.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 01:41:53 pm
When a coach that gets paid 4.6 million a year 2 years to win as many conference games as it took a coach that everyone knew was interim and really was the only option at the time 1 year, you don't extend a buyout and I'm pretty sure in the business world a good board wouldn't even extend the contract on principal earnings unless the protected their investment by creating some type of performance clause. Are you saying that you think it was a good deal for the university to tie their hands up with an extension after poor performance? I highly doubt you would do the same if it concerned someone share cropping or running your farming operation
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 02:55:29 pm
Who's getting $4.6M? This isn't the real business world, this is sports, and since when has sports salaries been tied to anything remotely related with the real world? Your definition of a poor performance is just that, your opinion. Those who made/make the decision thought otherwise.

As to my situation, I've tried down tenants to long term leases numerous times, often to clean up farms that I've bought that needed time and effort spent on them.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 03:45:32 pm
It is definitely not my opinion that poor performance is winning 2 conference games in 2 years. Every sports team is a business and you know that. You aren't getting the point about your business or actually you probably are yet deny that you would attempt to get rid of a poor manager. It's ok to say that decision was a bad one rice, I promise no one is going to rough you up
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 04:24:07 pm
It is definitely not my opinion that poor performance is winning 2 conference games in 2 years. Every sports team is a business and you know that. You aren't getting the point about your business or actually you probably are yet deny that you would attempt to get rid of a poor manager. It's ok to say that decision was a bad one rice, I promise no one is going to rough you up

It depends on what you inherit as talent and what changes you are making. It isn't as simple as "2 wins in 2 years", that may be why some people work for others, and some are able to see the big picture and develop and grow a business. I said the buyout was wrong, the extension was fine. Again, if you're going to give someone "X" amount of years, it doesn't matter how big the buyout was.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 05:23:49 pm
So you agree, all the folks who signed off on the extended buy out are idiots. Thanks
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 05:42:46 pm
So you agree, all the folks who signed off on the extended buy out are idiots. Thanks

Only if the intend to pay it, which they don't.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 05:56:32 pm
So you agree, that all the people who extended the buyout are love mediocrity, thanks
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mtindian42 on January 10, 2017, 06:00:50 pm
So you agree, that all the people who extended the buyout are love mediocrity, thanks
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 06:05:16 pm
Huh
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mtindian42 on January 10, 2017, 06:08:07 pm
Huh
you really should not answer your own post...😂
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 06:12:53 pm
So you agree, that all the people who extended the buyout are love mediocrity, thanks

No, I'm saying they were going to give him 6 years, that's what I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 06:14:15 pm
Another false accusation. Are you ever correct? Or are YOU always "dumb"?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mtindian42 on January 10, 2017, 06:15:53 pm
Another false accusation. Are you ever correct? Or are YOU always "dumb"?
what?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 10, 2017, 06:25:05 pm
Huh
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 10, 2017, 06:58:31 pm
what?

I think he's talking to himself again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mtindian42 on January 10, 2017, 07:02:04 pm
I think he's talking to himself again.
I'm worried about him. That's twice now!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 11, 2017, 01:19:29 am
Just normal for him!  :)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: FD4 on January 17, 2017, 11:07:41 am
Lots of good points and nonsense on this topic.  Look at it like this.  What would happen to any head coach if they run their offense out on the field, ran a B gap dive three times and punted every possession?  They would not get a second chance to make that mistake again, right?  So, what are we waiting for.  Get a coach that can be innovative and win, or get out of the Black and Blue conference of conference's and play somewhere else to save face.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 17, 2017, 12:48:26 pm
Lots of good points and nonsense on this topic.  Look at it like this.  What would happen to any head coach if they run their offense out on the field, ran a B gap dive three times and punted every possession?  They would not get a second chance to make that mistake again, right?  So, what are we waiting for.  Get a coach that can be innovative and win, or get out of the Black and Blue conference of conference's and play somewhere else to save face.

So, the offense was the problem last year, or the year before?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 17, 2017, 01:44:05 pm
So, the offense was the problem last year, or the year before?
come on rice, you're an educated man (but you can't educate sense), you know that was an analogy.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 17, 2017, 04:15:30 pm
come on rice, you're an educated man (but you can't educate sense), you know that was an analogy.

+1 to you, I would have bet the ranch that you would have spelled it  s i n c e. So, we needed an innovative defensive coach, gotcha.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 19, 2017, 07:46:42 am
Lord help you..
  I believe he's saying bert doesn't have the capability to conform his style of play to the kinds of players he's recruiting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 08:46:51 am
Ole Bert is a lot like Les Miles in a way...he is stubborn. He thinks his way is the only way, refuses to think outside the box. He is lucky he is at Arkansas where the Administration is dumber than him.
CBB thinks he can be physical like Bama in the SEC and win. EHHHHHHHHH, wrong! CBB can't recruit like Miles did.

Let's all strap in for another exciting 6-6 or 7-5 season and talk about how we ALMOST beat A&M, played Bama within 30, had Ole Miss on the ropes...shoulda had'em. Maybe we keep Auburn within 50 this year. That should get another extension.
And Heaven help if Ole Bert actually goes 8-4 and wins a bowl game...sheeeeeeezzzz. He will get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract extension with a full buyout at the end of each season. Heck maybe Ole Jeff can get it in Bert's contract that if the UA were to fire him we would have to double his buyout! Now there, there is a man in Jeff Long that is working hard for the better of the University and the state. A man who has his fan base first in his heart...If we could just lose to Bama in OT...that might push this over the edge and get Bert all these extensions...
Maybe next we could dome the stadium so Bert wouldn't have to see the planes fly over...hmmmm...

Face it folks, Bert talks to the right people, BS's them into his way of thinking. He plays the right players so as to not overturn the apple cart on the hill. We are now the program of mediocrity. There was a point in time where a team that had to play the Razorbacks knew they were in for a game. They knew they had to prepare hard. When you faced Broyles, Holtz, Hatfield...it was game on. Danny Ford not so much...heck even Ole Houston was on everyone's radar. Petrino was most definetly on the radar on every coaches list.
Now it's like...who we got? Arkansas? Oh, who is after them?

The school of Mediocrity...and the sad part is...50% of fans are okay with it... ???
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 19, 2017, 08:54:33 am
Ole Bert is a lot like Les Miles in a way...he is stubborn. He thinks his way is the only way, refuses to think outside the box. He is lucky he is at Arkansas where the Administration is dumber than him.
CBB thinks he can be physical like Bama in the SEC and win. EHHHHHHHHH, wrong! CBB can't recruit like Miles did.

Let's all strap in for another exciting 6-6 or 7-5 season and talk about how we ALMOST beat A&M, played Bama within 30, had Ole Miss on the ropes...shoulda had'em. Maybe we keep Auburn within 50 this year. That should get another extension.
And Heaven help if Ole Bert actually goes 8-4 and wins a bowl game...sheeeeeeezzzz. He will get a 10 year 100 million dollar contract extension with a full buyout at the end of each season. Heck maybe Ole Jeff can get it in Bert's contract that if the UA were to fire him we would have to double his buyout! Now there, there is a man in Jeff Long that is working hard for the better of the University and the state. A man who has his fan base first in his heart...If we could just lose to Bama in OT...that might push this over the edge and get Bert all these extensions...
Maybe next we could dome the stadium so Bert wouldn't have to see the planes fly over...hmmmm...

Face it folks, Bert talks to the right people, BS's them into his way of thinking. He plays the right players so as to not overturn the apple cart on the hill. We are now the program of mediocrity. There was a point in time where a team that had to play the Razorbacks knew they were in for a game. They knew they had to prepare hard. When you faced Broyles, Holtz, Hatfield...it was game on. Danny Ford not so much...heck even Ole Houston was on everyone's radar. Petrino was most definetly on the radar on every coaches list.
Now it's like...who we got? Arkansas? Oh, who is after them?

The school of Mediocrity...and the sad part is...50% of fans are okay with it... ???
I am perfectly fine with it, every week is exciting.....are they gonna win or are they gonna choke, must be boring being an alabama fan where you win every week of the regular season. ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 09:33:58 am
I am perfectly fine with it, every week is exciting.....are they gonna win or are they gonna choke, must be boring being an alabama fan where you win every week of the regular season. ;)
lol...nice...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 19, 2017, 09:35:17 am
For all of you that want him fired, if he were to be gone today, who would you want in replacement? Then ask yourself if that is a realistic possibility. Every time I get into a conversation with someone who is anti-bert, they usually can't give me a realistic answer.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 09:54:49 am
For all of you that want him fired, if he were to be gone today, who would you want in replacement? Then ask yourself if that is a realistic possibility. Every time I get into a conversation with someone who is anti-bert, they usually can't give me a realistic answer.
Jon Gruden man...Jon Gruden...lol...but seriously, at this point does it matter? Anyone could be average...can you argue that? Right now it's about buyout money...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 19, 2017, 10:05:31 am
Jon Gruden man...Jon Gruden...lol...but seriously, at this point does it matter? Anyone could be average...can you argue that? Right now it's about buyout money...

Everyone at Arkansas has been average. Except Broyle's, Hatfield, and Holtz.

Sprinkle in a few above average seasons by Nutt and Petrino....and you got a middle of the pack Arkansas Razorback football program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 10:27:02 am
Everyone at Arkansas has been average. Except Broyle's, Hatfield, and Holtz.

Sprinkle in a few above average seasons by Nutt and Petrino....and you got a middle of the pack Arkansas Razorback football program.
Not true...CBP was 34-17, well above average and was trending up. Two back to back ten win seasons and two good bowls. He got better each year. Nutt was 75-48, well above average. Now Nutt's last two season when he was trending down,was better than anything Bert has done yet. Nutt's next to last year was 10-4, 7-1 in conference.Saying Arkansas is just average or has to be is a pathetic argument. History, recent history tells us different...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 19, 2017, 10:28:56 am
the 10 pages of fire houston nutt in the deme gaz were classic though....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 19, 2017, 10:31:36 am
Jon Gruden man...Jon Gruden...lol...but seriously, at this point does it matter? Anyone could be average...can you argue that? Right now it's about buyout money...

Yeah, you could have another John L
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 19, 2017, 10:33:37 am
Not true...CBP was 34-17, well above average and was trending up. Two back to back ten win seasons and two good bowls. He got better each year. Nutt was 75-48, well above average. Now Nutt's last two season when he was trending down,was better than anything Bert has done yet. Nutt's next to last year was 10-4, 7-1 in conference.Saying Arkansas is just average or has to be is a pathetic argument. History, recent history tells us different...

What is amazing is Nutt got fired  after rushing for 460 yards on and beating the eventual national champ. We actually had a coach who practiced what he preached with smash mouth football.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 10:37:51 am
Yeah, you could have another John L
John L was a one off deal...CBP got fired too late...John L is a bad example.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 10:38:39 am
What is amazing is Nutt got fired  after rushing for 460 yards on and beating the eventual national champ. We actually had a coach who practiced what he preached with smash mouth football.
HDN was a much better coach than Bert...man that was hard to spit out...lol...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 19, 2017, 10:38:50 am
For all of you that want him fired, if he were to be gone today, who would you want in replacement? Then ask yourself if that is a realistic possibility. Every time I get into a conversation with someone who is anti-bert, they usually can't give me a realistic answer.

I think the next step we will take is promoting Paul Rhoads to head coach next year... just keep moving him up the ladder. Long will write up a 3 year extension after he wins one game against an FCS opponent.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 19, 2017, 10:55:09 am
HDN was a much better coach than Bert...man that was hard to spit out...lol...

Hard to argue that fact.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Boss Hog on January 19, 2017, 10:56:16 am
Do yall think moving Rhodes to DC was the best move?  I don't know too much about him..
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 11:03:05 am
I think the next step we will take is promoting Paul Rhoads to head coach next year... just keep moving him up the ladder. Long will write up a 3 year extension after he wins one game against an FCS opponent.

You paying off that buyout?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 11:06:35 am
Lord help you..
  I believe he's saying bert doesn't have the capability to conform his style of play to the kinds of players he's recruiting.

Lord help you, do you think I would enter into a real discussion with you over anything to do with the Arkansas Razorbacks? My goodness man, learn when you are being playe
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 19, 2017, 11:41:27 am
You should never enter a conversation with anyone wanting more than mediocre. It's very apparent you are totally fine with that and will defend anything said about the decision making on the hill. One of these days someone up there is going to make a quick turn and snap your nose clean off...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 19, 2017, 11:44:45 am
You paying off that buyout?

That should come straight out of Long's pocket....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 11:48:36 am
You paying off that buyout?
Rice, you keep bringing up the buyout. We all get it, we understand it. It is what it is. But don't you agree that the powers that be made a mistake giving Bert the extension?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 01:02:01 pm
Rice, you keep bringing up the buyout. We all get it, we understand it. It is what it is. But don't you agree that the powers that be made a mistake giving Bert the extension?

Did Ernie get one too?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 01:05:03 pm
The only way they made a mistake was if they thought they would fire him before 6 years. If not, it's just a number, if they thought it was a distinct possibility, then they should pay it out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 03:37:47 pm
The only way they made a mistake was if they thought they would fire him before 6 years. If not, it's just a number, if they thought it was a distinct possibility, then they should pay it out.
So you think the extension was justified?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 05:11:56 pm
So you think the extension was justified?

I had no problem with the extension, I think/thought the buyout was too one sided.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 08:38:50 pm
I had no problem with the extension, I think/thought the buyout was too one sided.
So, exactly in your opinion warranted the extension?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 08:53:45 pm
So, exactly in your opinion warranted the extension?

I assume you're asking "what" warranted the extension? It's quite common to roll over contracts every year, his wasn't after 2013, we made a bowl game after a two year absence, and won it. We brought his pay up to the average in the SEC West, and extended it two more years. I don't have a problem with this.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 09:17:13 pm
I assume you're asking "what" warranted the extension? It's quite common to roll over contracts every year, his wasn't after 2013, we made a bowl game after a two year absence, and won it. We brought his pay up to the average in the SEC West, and extended it two more years. I don't have a problem with this.
7-6 overall...2-6 in conference and we won the Texas Bowl...and that warranted a 2 year extension with a crazy buyout? Amazing...We all should apply at the UofA. Well, my name is Joe and I am below average at sweeping. Sometimes I sweep, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't even show up. Sometimes I work half the day then quit and don't finish my job. I am never prepared for work. I can sweep the easy floors, but those hard floors beat me every time...after work I go to the bar and brag about my performance at my last job and make fun of other people that sweep...but they are still better than me... I should get a raise...
In real world circumstances people don't get raises for being average. People that are average in the corporate world don't last long...it's called business...and trust me, every other school in America treats it as a business. I guess we don't...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 19, 2017, 09:20:45 pm
7-6 overall...2-6 in conference and we won the Texas Bowl...and that warranted a 2 year extension with a crazy buyout? Amazing...We all should apply at the UofA. Well, my name is Joe and I am below average at sweeping. Sometimes I sweep, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't even show up. Sometimes I work half the day then quit and don't finish my job. I am never prepared for work. I can sweep the easy floors, but those hard floors beat me every time...after work I go to the bar and brag about my performance at my last job and make fun of other people that sweep...but they are still better than me... I should get a raise...
In real world circumstances people don't get raises for being average. People that are average in the corporate world don't last long...it's called business...and trust me, every other school in America treats it as a business. I guess we don't...

Nothing's stopping you, but some ability and talent, but go for it!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 19, 2017, 09:30:19 pm
Nothing's stopping you, but some ability and talent, but go for it!
Yeah, nice answer. I know CBB is your boy, or you his...but it doesn't take much intelligence to see that this was and is a bad deal...both for the UA and the fans...unless you like mediocrity...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 19, 2017, 09:53:45 pm
Yeah, nice answer. I know CBB is your boy, or you his...but it doesn't take much intelligence to see that this was and is a bad deal...both for the UA and the fans...unless you like mediocrity...
Bring back CBP no mediocrity there
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Billie Blue on January 19, 2017, 10:36:19 pm
Bring back CBP no mediocrity there
+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 19, 2017, 10:41:20 pm
7-6 overall...2-6 in conference and we won the Texas Bowl...and that warranted a 2 year extension with a crazy buyout? Amazing...We all should apply at the UofA. Well, my name is Joe and I am below average at sweeping. Sometimes I sweep, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't even show up. Sometimes I work half the day then quit and don't finish my job. I am never prepared for work. I can sweep the easy floors, but those hard floors beat me every time...after work I go to the bar and brag about my performance at my last job and make fun of other people that sweep...but they are still better than me... I should get a raise...
In real world circumstances people don't get raises for being average. People that are average in the corporate world don't last long...it's called business...and trust me, every other school in America treats it as a business. I guess we don't...

I don't know if any post has made me laugh so hard because the analogy was spot on. This is right up there with some of the stuff koobird and oldman have made me laugh at their posts.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 20, 2017, 12:38:37 am
I don't know if any post has made me laugh so hard because the analogy was spot on. This is right up there with some of the stuff koobird and oldman have made me laugh at their posts.
don't forget sam...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 20, 2017, 06:54:15 am
Well a year after winning 3 games and no conference games, going 7-6 and 2-6 showed improvement. I like a lot of others said well we should keep trending up. I'm assuming that why he got an extension and that using unusual in the college ranks. The buyout amount was silly. I didn't see any big long posts about the extension when it first happened. Again the buyout is the silly thing because we are now basically handcuffed if they want to get rid of him.

We can face facts and except this is the way it's going tombs for the next two years. Hope that there is some kind of improvement. I bet many will keep complaining about his contract. Signing day is close and with our lack of depth I hope we at least sign a full class. We have left scholarships on the table each year he has been here
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 20, 2017, 08:08:27 am
Yeah, nice answer. I know CBB is your boy, or you his...but it doesn't take much intelligence to see that this was and is a bad deal...both for the UA and the fans...unless you like mediocrity...

I don't remember you crying about the extension in early 2015, like most of your posts, they deal in hindsight, what it's.......I also don't remember seeing very many on the various boards complaining about the extension. I told you the buyout was excessive, but the one's who signed off on it obviously didn't.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 20, 2017, 08:43:46 am
I don't remember you crying about the extension in early 2015, like most of your posts, they deal in hindsight, what it's.......I also don't remember seeing very many on the various boards complaining about the extension. I told you the buyout was excessive, but the one's who signed off on it obviously didn't.
lol, I am not gonna look it up but I did question it. If you want to fine. Myself along with a couple others, one being Cuckoo certainly did question it. The buyout is excessive, we all know that Rice, certainly don't need any of Bert's boys telling us that. The one's who signed off are certainly the idiots in this case...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 20, 2017, 10:02:23 am
lol, I am not gonna look it up but I did question it. If you want to fine. Myself along with a couple others, one being Cuckoo certainly did question it. The buyout is excessive, we all know that Rice, certainly don't need any of Bert's boys telling us that. The one's who signed off are certainly the idiots in this case...

Yeah, too bad everyone isn't as clairvoyant as you are, lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 20, 2017, 10:40:41 am
Yeah, too bad everyone isn't as clairvoyant as you are, lol.
Yeah because we know for a fact that the powers that be on the hill have made some great choices...lol...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 20, 2017, 10:42:19 am
Yeah because we know for a fact that the powers that be on the hill have made some great choices...lol...
I agree I am loving it :)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: zebradynasty on January 20, 2017, 10:43:53 am
It would have been nice to have known from day one that short of a catastrophe UA was going to give him 6 years. I think everyone was in agreement with giving him time but...on the other hand I'm not sure its time to pull the plug either. Got a lot riding on the 2017 and I think it's fine to let him know that the seat is getting warmer.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 20, 2017, 10:58:02 am
Yeah because we know for a fact that the powers that be on the hill have made some great choices...lol...

Well, yeah, poor choices are made every day, everywhere.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Almatrackster on January 20, 2017, 09:09:38 pm
I hope everyone realizes how much better the SEC West is now than it was when Nutt was there.

Alabama had their darkest times in program history, Ole Miss and Miss State were jokes. Auburn and LSU were the torch carriers with Arkansas being a solid 3rd team. He also didn't have to deal with Texas A&M.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 20, 2017, 09:14:55 pm
I hope everyone realizes how much better the SEC West is now than it was when Nutt was there.

Alabama had their darkest times in program history, Ole Miss and Miss State were jokes. Auburn and LSU were the torch carriers with Arkansas being a solid 3rd team. He also didn't have to deal with Texas A&M.

I agree with you except for this season.... The SEC was nothing special. That is the East and the West.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Almatrackster on January 20, 2017, 09:15:52 pm
Nutt went 10-4, 7-1 his last season with Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the backfield. Kudos to him for getting them there, but that team had talent coming out of it's ears and we got destroyed by USC to start the season and ended the year on a 3 game losing streak.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Almatrackster on January 20, 2017, 09:17:26 pm
I agree with you except for this season.... The SEC was nothing special. That is the East and the West.

The SEC was down this season, but that's really relative to what it's been recently. I would still take Ole Miss, the worst team in the West this season, and I think they would finish even ahead of early 2000s Arkansas teams in the SEC West if we placed them there.

I mean Mississippi State was the 6th place team in the West this year and they were definitely better than their 6th and 5th place finishes back in the day.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Almatrackster on January 20, 2017, 09:21:36 pm
He also had that same backfield his last season and went 8-5, 4-4. Yes, they beat LSU on the road that season when they were #1, but I think the story was more "How was Arkansas only 4-4 in the SEC" more than "Wow! Arkansas beat LSU!"
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 21, 2017, 08:51:53 am
It would be nice to win 4 sec games
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 21, 2017, 10:10:52 am
He also had that same backfield his last season and went 8-5, 4-4. Yes, they beat LSU on the road that season when they were #1, but I think the story was more "How was Arkansas only 4-4 in the SEC" more than "Wow! Arkansas beat LSU!"
I agree on the conference being weaker, no doubting that. But as sad as it is HDN was better than CBB...same can be said for CBB at Wisconsin. The conference was weaker when he was winning...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 21, 2017, 10:11:43 am
It would be nice to win 4 sec games
It would be nice to be above .500 after 4 years...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 03:13:22 pm
UA does not need to do anything with his contract unless he wins 10 games this coming season. Sit on it and wait until he proves he deserves an extension or raise or to be non-renewed. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 22, 2017, 03:26:18 pm
UA does not need to do anything with his contract unless he wins 10 games this coming season. Sit on it and wait until he proves he deserves an extension or raise or to be non-renewed. 
Trust me, he wins 8 games he will get a two year extension...that's just how stupid the powers that be at the UA are and have been...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 22, 2017, 03:30:25 pm
I wouldn't be surprised but it's not a smart business move.  He's been average and average doesn't deserve an extension or a raise.  If he wins 10, yes.  Maybe you talk if he wins 9, nothing less.  He is on contract for a couple more years anyway and we are in deep on his buyout. UA needs to get into a better position on his contract and the buyout.  If he starts winning and challenging or winning the west then talk.  Maybe we can get Trump to negotiate his new contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 23, 2017, 12:18:36 pm
Trump?!! Haha he would expect a return on his investment. CBB is a Hillary guy, expects something for nothing, or so it would seem by his performance.
 I know this is asking too much but I have no problems with performance based bonuses or incentives. Win 9 games get a million bonus. Win 10, get 500000-1000000 more. Win the SECtitle game throw in a million more. Win it all, get another million. Of course this would be based on an annual salary of about 2.5 million. Make them earn obscene money don't just hand it to them
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 23, 2017, 12:38:32 pm
Sounds good in principle, but that's not how it works in the SEC. I doubt you'd get the coach you wanted in the beginning, paying $1.5M below the average.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 23, 2017, 01:02:41 pm
Sounds good in principle, but that's not how it works in the SEC. I doubt you'd get the coach you wanted in the beginning, paying $1.5M below the average.
what does Bama pay.Does Bama pay the most in SEC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 23, 2017, 01:07:15 pm
what does Bama pay.Does Bama pay the most in SEC.

Saban gets $7M, Bielema $4.1M
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 23, 2017, 03:41:01 pm
Saban gets $7M, Bielema $4.1M
Not to mention the extras they dole out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 23, 2017, 05:42:15 pm
Not to mention the extras they dole out.
But Saban is worth that much more than Bert. Bert isn't worth what he is making. I like the idea of bonuses, but Rice is right in this instance, it would be very hard to get anyone good...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 23, 2017, 07:20:46 pm
But Saban is worth that much more than Bert. Bert isn't worth what he is making. I like the idea of bonuses, but Rice is right in this instance, it would be very hard to get anyone good...

I'm always right.....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 23, 2017, 07:42:20 pm
That's a big difference alright.we probably couldn't get anyone we wanted
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 23, 2017, 08:21:22 pm
We don't have anyone good now vinny!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 23, 2017, 08:24:52 pm
Honestly, I believe it would give you the opportunity to get a coach with great character because he isn't afraid to EARN his money and would definitely give him more motivation to be the very best he can be
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 23, 2017, 08:35:34 pm
I agree cuck it would definitely give him the motivation to get the most out of his team
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 24, 2017, 08:52:41 am
Honestly, I believe it would give you the opportunity to get a coach with great character because he isn't afraid to EARN his money and would definitely give him more motivation to be the very best he can be

Even a coach with great character would be smart enough to not walk into that situation. If I was an SEC caliber coach, there is no way in hades I would take that offer. Too big of a risk for the coach. One or two average seasons and you're fired without a high buyout and only getting paid a million per? No way. Incentives are good, but having to win to get your income even somewhat competitive with other SEC coaches would be too much pressure and too high of a risk.

Sure, maybe Bert shouldn't be getting paid 4-5 mil a year. He should have to earn that money. But to have 2-3 million on the table based entirely off incentives probably doesn't sound too appealing to a great coach. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on January 24, 2017, 09:04:51 am
Honestly, I believe it would give you the opportunity to get a coach with great character because he isn't afraid to EARN his money and would definitely give him more motivation to be the very best he can be

If you could pick any coach in the country right now to take over the Razorback program who would it be?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 24, 2017, 09:20:00 am
If you could pick any coach in the country right now to take over the Razorback program who would it be?
Well the easy choice would be Nick Saban...but realistically...Scott Satterfield, Appalachian State...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 24, 2017, 11:01:39 am
Redwolves, the base salary would be 2.5-3 million then tac on the incentives. You could still have some sort of a buyout to protect the coach but the one they gave bert was ridiculous. Honestly if we could afford bert's buyout it would be worth it to pay him not to coach for us
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 24, 2017, 11:11:27 am
@OB11
I like Venny's answer but to add another name, Lance Liepold from Buffalo. He's paid $600000 a year and has a winning % of .835. You can't tell me someone like that wouldn't take 2.5-3 million a year with the opportunity to earn big bonuses and play in the SEC. I think our next coach should be someone who has proven they can build a program not just someone who was fortunate enough to take over a winning program with a great former coach as the AD. It's very apparent that Bert is no carpenter
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 24, 2017, 01:11:28 pm
@OB11
I like Venny's answer but to add another name, Lance Liepold from Buffalo. He's paid $600000 a year and has a winning % of .835. You can't tell me someone like that wouldn't take 2.5-3 million a year with the opportunity to earn big bonuses and play in the SEC. I think our next coach should be someone who has proven they can build a program not just someone who was fortunate enough to take over a winning program with a great former coach as the AD. It's very apparent that Bert is no carpenter

So, pay a guy that's 7-17 in FBS football, $3M?? Yeah, I wonder why no one else is jumping in to hire him. Yes, he was successful at DIII, but the SEC isn't D-III. Also, after going 5-7 his first year, he was given an extension, and then went 2-10 this year, maybe he quit coaching this year?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 24, 2017, 02:08:10 pm
All I'm saying is it doesn't have to be a nick saban type coach. We need a guy who can recruit 3 stars and make them play within his scheme to produce 4 and 5 star results. You guys are the ones saying everyone else has a recruiting advantage so someone who can do that will be our best option. Honestly I don't think saban could win without all the talent he has but he definitely knows how to recruit
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 24, 2017, 02:53:33 pm
But Saban is worth that much more than Bert. Bert isn't worth what he is making. I like the idea of bonuses, but Rice is right in this instance, it would be very hard to get anyone good...
I understand that. But the extras Im talking about I don't think are drawn up in a contract. Club memberships cars and jets. things of that nature that he gets for free. I cant confirm all that but you know he is getting plenty of benefits.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 24, 2017, 02:54:22 pm
There really isn't any way of knowing what they'll look for the next time we hire a coach. Lots of variables in play, such as, who's the AD, who's available, is the money fountain still flowing, and what shape the program is in.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 24, 2017, 02:58:27 pm
I understand that. But the extras Im talking about I don't think are drawn up in a contract. Club memberships cars and jets. things of that nature that he gets for free. I cant confirm all that but you know he is getting plenty of benefits.

Not sure what Saban gets but Bielema gets the use of two vehicles and has a membership at Fayetteville CC and the Blessings CC. I don't believe there are any jet use hours in his contract, but he may get some complimentary use from some boosters. I know he uses Wheels Up for some personal jet use, as he's pimped them on twitter.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 24, 2017, 04:01:23 pm
So, pay a guy that's 7-17 in FBS football, $3M?? Yeah, I wonder why no one else is jumping in to hire him. Yes, he was successful at DIII, but the SEC isn't D-III. Also, after going 5-7 his first year, he was given an extension, and then went 2-10 this year, maybe he quit coaching this year?
You have to be talking about the guy from Buffalo...because Satterfield has been good every year but his first...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 24, 2017, 04:14:47 pm
All I'm saying is it doesn't have to be a nick saban type coach. We need a guy who can recruit 3 stars and make them play within his scheme to produce 4 and 5 star results. You guys are the ones saying everyone else has a recruiting advantage so someone who can do that will be our best option. Honestly I don't think saban could win without all the talent he has but he definitely knows how to recruit

How to recruit, but more importantly who.  Of course when you have as many titles as he does they come calling.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 24, 2017, 05:15:08 pm
He could get them to come before he had any titles
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 24, 2017, 05:35:30 pm
He could get them to come before he had any titles

He wasn't getting them at Michigan St........
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 24, 2017, 06:51:24 pm
He did at LSU and his last year at MSU was the best record since 1965.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 24, 2017, 08:59:52 pm
No one doubts Saban's ability to coach, but the state of Louisiana has more top recruits per capita than any state, and Bama's rankings were mostly top 15 even before Saban arrived.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on January 24, 2017, 09:48:22 pm
So if we're saying Arkansas doesn't inherently have those types of athletes to recruit in-state, how do you get the type of talent you need to win consistently in the SEC at Arkansas?

Would a new coach fix that? Or even be able to fix that? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: smallybells on January 25, 2017, 08:17:44 am
I may be late to the party on this, but what is the Hogs problem with B.J. Thompson? I happened to catch a story on him during the local news last night because Texas was just added to his list of offers. How can we not even offer this kid??? I can guarantee you that Jimbo Fisher and several other schoools on his offer list, aren't wasting a scholarship offer on a scrub. I even read an interview from him earlier this year where he said he would "embrace" on offer from his home state, not to mention I read somewhere ealier that there are 2 other kids in state that have offers from Alabama and Notre Dame that they have snubbed. I try to stay as positive as I can on their outlook up there but it keeps getting harder and harder to sip the kool aid.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 25, 2017, 08:47:45 am
I may be late to the party on this, but what is the Hogs problem with B.J. Thompson? I happened to catch a story on him during the local news last night because Texas was just added to his list of offers. How can we not even offer this kid??? I can guarantee you that Jimbo Fisher and several other schoools on his offer list, aren't wasting a scholarship offer on a scrub. I even read an interview from him earlier this year where he said he would "embrace" on offer from his home state, not to mention I read somewhere ealier that there are 2 other kids in state that have offers from Alabama and Notre Dame that they have snubbed. I try to stay as positive as I can on their outlook up there but it keeps getting harder and harder to sip the kool aid.
He is being offered by Baylor, Florida State, Washington State and Utah among other lower tier D-1 schools...just like Pine Bluff kids we lose...Arkansas has yet to even offer him...lol...we can't even keep our in state kids...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 25, 2017, 09:19:29 am
He is being offered by Baylor, Florida State, Washington State and Utah among other lower tier D-1 schools...just like Pine Bluff kids we lose...Arkansas has yet to even offer him...lol...we can't even keep our in state kids...

Bert is too busy picking up third tier Florida players. He must enjoy recruiting players who would play for Central Florida and Florida Atlantic otherwise cause they couldn't play for Florida State or Miami. Bert has strange recruiting tatics as you and myself have at least realized.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on January 25, 2017, 10:25:42 am
The dumbest question I ever here when talking about recruiting is, "what other D1 schools are offering?"
  Why are we gauging a recruit by who else is recruiting them? Every school has different needs every year and different player profiles to fit their scheme.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on January 25, 2017, 10:27:10 am
The dumbest question I ever here when talking about recruiting is, "what other D1 schools are offering?"
  Why are we gauging a recruit by who else is recruiting them? Every school has different needs every year and different player profiles to fit their scheme.
I agree, Arkansas should keep doing what they are doing :)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: smallybells on January 25, 2017, 10:44:38 am
The dumbest question I ever here when talking about recruiting is, "what other D1 schools are offering?"
  Why are we gauging a recruit by who else is recruiting them? Every school has different needs every year and different player profiles to fit their scheme.

The dumbest thing I see, is to continue to do the same thing and get statistically worse 3 years in a row and I am not just talking about solely scouting talent, but i think it plays a role. A lot of the issues are fundamental football- false starts, holding, dropping balls, arm tackling, completely missing assignments etc., and they just keep doing it over and over and over. It is ok lose ball games to better teams, but there is no excuse to not be able to exhibit fundamentally sound football practices the majority of the time at the upper echelon D1 level.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 25, 2017, 10:47:00 am
The dumbest question I ever here when talking about recruiting is, "what other D1 schools are offering?"
  Why are we gauging a recruit by who else is recruiting them? Every school has different needs every year and different player profiles to fit their scheme.

In general I totally agree. However if a handful of schools like Bama, LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, or Florida State wanted them and they randomly ended up here I'll gladly take them. There is about 5 to 8 schools that just attract the cream of the crop. After that I totally agree the other 120 are all fighting over the same guys in a complete crapshoot.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 25, 2017, 11:38:51 am
What's funny, is these other school's boards crying on offering lowly 3*'s from Arkansas. Now, if we had them committed, these same posters would say, why?? As Cuck said above, every school has their own needs and wants. These players attended Arkansas camps, have been seen by our coaches in camp and in person, and now are getting offers from schools that have only seen tape and most haven't even been in their school to put the eye test on them. I hope every player gets the opportunity to play major college football and live their dreams.

Let's see where some of these guys end up on NSD.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 25, 2017, 01:22:23 pm
What's funny, is these other school's boards crying on offering lowly 3*'s from Arkansas. Now, if we had them committed, these same posters would say, why?? As Cuck said above, every school has their own needs and wants. These players attended Arkansas camps, have been seen by our coaches in camp and in person, and now are getting offers from schools that have only seen tape and most haven't even been in their school to put the eye test on them. I hope every player gets the opportunity to play major college football and live their dreams.

Let's see where some of these guys end up on NSD.
Rice, I have to wonder if what our coaches see at camps even means anything...it isn't panning out right now...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 25, 2017, 02:12:45 pm
Rice, I have to wonder if what our coaches see at camps even means anything...it isn't panning out right now...


Well, it isn't the first, nor will it be the last time that things didn't "pan" out. Let's see where some of these kids are on NSD, and in the next few years. The only one that I've seen anyone talk about as a potential miss is the Thompson kid. However, he's a two year project at his weight, and we don't need another TE in this class. He's also about 80lbs from being a 3-4 DE. They're looking for guys to step in and play on the d-line, they may not get anyone, but that's what they need.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 25, 2017, 05:25:04 pm
He is being offered by Baylor, Florida State, Washington State and Utah among other lower tier D-1 schools...just like Pine Bluff kids we lose...Arkansas has yet to even offer him...lol...we can't even keep our in state kids...

Hmm, commits to Colorado State.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 25, 2017, 08:39:02 pm
Hmm, commits to Colorado State.
I just saw that on 247 this morning. Did he commit today?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 25, 2017, 08:46:24 pm
I just saw that on 247 this morning. Did he commit today?

I think yesterday. I read from one of his coaches that he's still an academic risk. Texas wasn't willing to take that chance as they lose two scholarships if he doesn't qualify. Supposedly CSU and Rutgers were willing to take that chance. Of course, that may all be B.S.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 26, 2017, 05:26:47 pm
Do these kids have offers, or just letters or interest.  I've seen kids who get letters, but not offers and they mistake that for an offer.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 26, 2017, 06:15:12 pm
Do these kids have offers, or just letters or interest.  I've seen kids who get letters, but not offers and they mistake that for an offer.

I believe they are getting offers, some of them contingent on other factors, like grades, guys we have ahead of you, etc....So, some are outright offers, and some hinge on a few things.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 29, 2017, 01:34:30 pm
Porter committed to the Hogs this morning, we lost a lower rated guy to Oklahoma, and flipped him from CSU.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on January 31, 2017, 09:13:07 am
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-worst-recruiting-class-bielema-tenure?utm_campaign=SF_SECCountryHogs&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 31, 2017, 09:58:11 am
Sad.....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on January 31, 2017, 10:06:05 am
Lowest ranked class in the Bielema era? Wow
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 31, 2017, 10:15:37 am
Apathy is a wonderful thing.



Don't lose your pants boys. He is here one more year. Two max. Especially if he doesn't win 10 or more this year.

It is well documented that:
1. He hates to lose.
2. He likes to be the bully.
3. Takes pride in not ever being fired or ran off.


I like him. He probably makes a great neighbor.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 01:17:27 pm
Apathy is a wonderful thing.



Don't lose your pants boys. He is here one more year. Two max. Especially if he doesn't win 10 or more this year.

It is well documented that:
1. He hates to lose.
2. He likes to be the bully.
3. Takes pride in not ever being fired or ran off.


I like him. He probably makes a great neighbor.

He's here for 2018 regardless of 2017.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 01:18:59 pm
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-worst-recruiting-class-bielema-tenure?utm_campaign=SF_SECCountryHogs&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Ebola, enough said.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 31, 2017, 03:42:29 pm
Lowest ranked class in the Bielema era? Wow

Yeah, the future isn't looking bright.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 31, 2017, 04:15:02 pm
He's here for 2018 regardless of 2017.
Maybe, maybe not...you never know. If he flops bad this year enough just may be enough...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on January 31, 2017, 04:25:56 pm
Maybe, maybe not...you never know. If he flops bad this year enough just may be enough...

I sadly think it would take a 5-7 record to have them even consider it. Me personally if he didn't get to 8 wins I would say goodbye. Another 7-5 year and he just then gets above .500 in 5 years as long as they won the bowl game too. If disaster strikes and we were to drop TCU and A&M early the Hogs could easily be looking at 5-7 and 6-6 would probably be the best at that point. To me if you can't win more than 7 games in the regular season after 5 years it is time to go. They must split the Texas schools.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on January 31, 2017, 04:33:11 pm
Hayden Henry
Pulaski academy
Offered and commits to Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 05:01:52 pm
Hayden Henry
Pulaski academy
Offered and commits to Arkansas.

As a blue shirt.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 05:04:19 pm
Maybe, maybe not...you never know. If he flops bad this year enough just may be enough...

Well, anything is possible, just not probable. It would take a sub .500 record, and enough major boosters coughing up some major bucks.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 31, 2017, 05:41:44 pm
Well, anything is possible, just not probable. It would take a sub .500 record, and enough major boosters coughing up some major bucks.
Yep, just saying it is possible...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lions84 on February 01, 2017, 01:32:14 pm
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/8/arkansas-razorbacks

Great Class this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on February 01, 2017, 02:18:45 pm
Arkansas ranked 24th in both rivals.com and ESPN.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on February 01, 2017, 02:39:37 pm
Arkansas ranked 24th in both rivals.com and ESPN.

Make that 14th and I would say maybe we had a chance with Bert in charge.... 24th will not cut it with what we have in place already.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: zebradynasty on February 01, 2017, 05:35:32 pm
One thing that pops out is the emphasis on speed in the back 7 on defense. Would have loved more LB's and DT's though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on February 02, 2017, 02:10:44 am
Yeah, the future isn't looking bright.
At Least we beat Kentucky!  HA :'(
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 02, 2017, 08:20:08 am
Arkansas ranked 24th in both rivals.com and ESPN.
I just now read three sites and ESPN has us at 26th, Rivals 24th and 247 28th...but the key number here is 10th out of 14...SEC...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on February 02, 2017, 08:57:49 am
I just now read three sites and ESPN has us at 26th, Rivals 24th and 247 28th...but the key number here is 10th out of 14...SEC...

Absolutely. While we have decent signing classes, most of the SEC gets better recruits, which is why we stay in the middle to the bottom of the pack in the conference. Arkansas is just not an easy place to recruit. We have to do more with less to compete.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on February 02, 2017, 03:03:01 pm
Now that we know the signing day rankings along with more importantly what people have coming back I will take a crack at the SEC next fall.....

WEST:
1)Alabama
2)Auburn
3)LSU
4)Texas A&M
5)Mississippi State
6)Arkansas
7)Ole Miss

EAST:
1)Georgia
2)South Carolina
3)Florida
4)Tennessee
5)Kentucky
6)Missouri
7)Vanderbilt

-Butch Jones gets fired after a 7-5 season & so does Bert after a 5-7 season to justify the buyout

-Hugh Freeze throws in the towel & resigns which is a mutual thing between him and the school considering the situation at Oxford
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on February 03, 2017, 09:48:11 am
Hugh Freeze to Arkansas in 2018?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on February 03, 2017, 09:57:54 am
Hugh Freeze to Arkansas in 2018?
Fantastic I like it, I am jumping on this bandwagon now
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 03, 2017, 11:41:01 am
Fantastic I like it, I am jumping on this bandwagon now
No so fast my friend...if Bert goes 6-7 this next season and loses to Arkansas Tech in the "Always Save Creme Corn .60 a Can Bowl" he will get a five year extension worth 5.8 million per year and a buyout till year 5 of double the salary, paid out at termination. Jeff Long is one smart dude... ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Made on February 03, 2017, 12:01:55 pm
No so fast my friend...if Bert goes 6-7 this next season and loses to Arkansas Tech in the "Always Save Creme Corn .60 a Can Bowl" he will get a five year extension worth 5.8 million per year and a buyout till year 5 of double the salary, paid out at termination. Jeff Long is one smart dude... ;)
Fantastic, I like that deal even better, consider me on that band wagon.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on February 08, 2017, 09:50:18 am
Saw where Fayetteville has once again been voted the best place to live in the SEC.  If that is the case, why is it so difficult to recruit players to go there?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: fbhound on February 08, 2017, 10:07:48 am
Saw where Fayetteville has once again been voted the best place to live in the SEC.  If that is the case, why is it so difficult to recruit players to go there?
Not enough night life on Dickson street I guess. And when the players leave or fail grades, they go back home anyway, away from the school scene. Some stay but get in trouble with distractions of worst proportions. Most athletes prefer the "deep South" atmosphere rather than NW AR... That's why THREE big Div I football schools are in Mississippi (Southern Miss, Ole Miss and Miss. State). Look at state of Florida!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on February 08, 2017, 10:11:27 am
Ole Miss is in Oxford. Oxford is the size of Russellville
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 12:29:31 pm
Saw where Fayetteville has once again been voted the best place to live in the SEC.  If that is the case, why is it so difficult to recruit players to go there?

Because the players aren't going to the Art's festivals, going camping, riding the bike trails, they're practicing football. There's a big difference in what 25-35 year olds do, and what 18-22 year olds do during their school years.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:42:46 pm
Because the players aren't going to the Art's festivals, going camping, riding the bike trails, they're practicing football. There's a big difference in what 25-35 year olds do, and what 18-22 year olds do during their school years.

 This I can agree with.  And are the exact justifications for their basis on Fayetteville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:45:04 pm
Fayetteville is good, but I will take Nashville and Gainesville though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on February 08, 2017, 12:45:46 pm
Because the players aren't going to the Art's festivals, going camping, riding the bike trails, they're practicing football. There's a big difference in what 25-35 year olds do, and what 18-22 year olds do during their school years.

I assumed that was the reason.  I have not spent a lot of time in Fayetteville.  Just the odd game here or there.  Have friends that went to school there and stayed in that area of the state. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on February 08, 2017, 12:51:46 pm
Fayetteville is good, but I will take Nashville and Gainesville though.

MANY more places than fayetteville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 05:08:48 pm
MANY more places than fayetteville.
Only 4 according to U.S. News.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on February 08, 2017, 07:57:32 pm
Only 4 according to U.S. News.

Too bad us news doesn't decide our recruiting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
Too bad us news doesn't decide our recruiting.

Oh, I don't think it matters one bit for recruiting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on February 08, 2017, 08:36:46 pm
Definitely doesn't matter for recruiting but Fayetteville is a nice place
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on March 08, 2017, 02:48:24 pm
Just saw that the Hogs will travel to Colorado State in 2018 and host the Rams in 2019. Both will count toward the Power 5 requirement since Michigan left the Hogs high and dry.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on March 08, 2017, 04:41:35 pm
Just saw that the Hogs will travel to Colorado State in 2018 and host the Rams in 2019. Both will count toward the Power 5 requirement since Michigan left the Hogs high and dry.

"Marquee"
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on March 08, 2017, 05:53:35 pm
I really don't like that.... Unless we show improvement I will be actually worried when we go to Fort Collins in 2018. Not saying we will lose, but the Rams have a small shot at us. Colorado State isn't good, but no pushover for sure like a Florida A&M or Alcorn State. The first game on the road has upset type game written all over it. Teams like Colorado State will play a game like that against a mid to lower SEC team like it is their Super Bowl. I would have rather played a power 5 cause we should win this, but if we don't that looks really bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on March 08, 2017, 07:23:48 pm
"Marquee"

https://twitter.com/TomMurphyADG/status/839593731040899074
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on March 08, 2017, 07:56:49 pm
https://twitter.com/TomMurphyADG/status/839593731040899074

"Pitiful"
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on March 08, 2017, 08:05:47 pm
I was looking forward to making the trip to Ann Arbor. My oldest works in Chicago now, and we were going to make it a road trip. I do like the idea of going to Colorado in September, I've never been that time of the year. I may try to make it out, they say the new stadium will be nice.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on March 08, 2017, 08:25:22 pm
I was looking forward to making the trip to Ann Arbor. My oldest works in Chicago now, and we were going to make it a road trip. I do like the idea of going to Colorado in September, I've never been that time of the year. I may try to make it out, they say the new stadium will be nice.

Weather is probably awesome. Topography.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on May 08, 2017, 04:54:55 pm
I saw on social media that Rawleigh Williams III is done. It is what is best for him and with his family upbringing I know he will be successful in life no matter what he does. He put everything on the line each game and was vital getting those tough yards. He was such a smart and tough runner getting so many yards last year without having break away speed. Saying he will be missed does not even begin to hit the scope of how big of shoes we will need to fill his spot. I am not sure Whaley is capable of getting those tough runs needed in our offense. Minus RW3 it will easily drop us 1 loss in the overall projection. Best wishes RW3, he was a true Razorback.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on May 09, 2017, 09:39:01 am
So now we go 4-8?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on May 09, 2017, 09:43:08 am
Even though they will lack depth, I think the Razorbacks are better with Whaley as the main man in the backfield
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: smallybells on May 09, 2017, 11:15:13 am
I would guess this means we are going to see more of the freshman RB Maleek Williams or they will rotate TJ Hammons back, either way there are some big shoes to fill there. Best wishes for RW3.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Pepper Bolin on May 10, 2017, 03:31:20 am
We will still suck because CBB is the coach. Why don't you people learn...Arkansas is a losing program because the people love mediocrity...plain and simple...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on May 10, 2017, 07:50:13 am
We will still suck because CBB is the coach. Why don't you people learn...Arkansas is a losing program because the people love mediocrity...plain and simple...

You Must not listen to any call in shows or read most forums..
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on May 10, 2017, 05:49:16 pm
I hate to say it but 5-7 or 6-6 could likely happen. We will get those 3 pure gimme games but after that I only see getting a few more. Unless Whaley brings an entire different level of being an all around RB but I am not sure. We will see though. Just imagine if he got dinged up how bad it could get. Hammonds IS NOT capable of getting the tough carries like RW3 could either. I am not sure RW3 translated to the pro game, but he was something special the short time we were lucky to have him at the college level. He was one of those players you truly got everything out of his abilities.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on May 10, 2017, 06:12:37 pm
I think Meleek Williams can give us some tough yards, but he will be a freshman. We're lucky/fortunate that he enrolled early and has gotten a semester in.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on May 10, 2017, 07:37:15 pm
Chase Hayden? He has potential. Just young.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: mack on May 11, 2017, 09:40:11 am
We will still suck because CBB is the coach. Why don't you people learn...Arkansas is a losing program because the people love mediocrity...plain and simple...

Someone's getting salty up in here.....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: smallybells on May 12, 2017, 01:16:14 am
I think Whaley will step up and Maleek Williams will be a surprise to be honest. I also think our lack of pass protection  with no established receivers will be magnified, line play on both sides of the ball and secondary will still perform as they did last year. Buckle up for a sub .500 season fellas, it's coming.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on May 12, 2017, 11:42:58 am
I think Whaley will step up and Maleek Williams will be a surprise to be honest. I also think our lack of pass protection  with no established receivers will be magnified, line play on both sides of the ball and secondary will still perform as they did last year. Buckle up for a sub .500 season fellas, it's coming.

 I think most will agree with this assessment that we will know the exact type of season we are headed for right after the TCU and A&M games. If we go 0-2 in those games then certainly a below .500 record is coming no question. Split those games and I see us at least scraping a 6-6 or 7-5 record and a bowl game. Pull a rabbit out of the hat and somehow win them both then they will exceed all of our expectations and get up to 8 wins. However, I think 0-2 or 1-1 is likely in those two games and those games will be the glimmer of what is to come the final 8 or 9 games of the season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 12, 2017, 05:14:47 pm
Its time the program got on a 9-10 game win streak. Not once in a while but year after year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on May 12, 2017, 08:45:00 pm
Its time the program got on a 9-10 game win streak. Not once in a while but year after year.
not gonna happen anytime soon
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 13, 2017, 08:22:34 pm
New Coach!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on May 13, 2017, 09:14:21 pm
New Coach!

5-7 and it has to be time to move on.... That would be 30-33 after five seasons. What else would people need to see? I think Arkansas fans in general are realistic. They know 10-2 is not happening four out of five seasons. However, we should be having 10-2 seasons every 4th to 5th year to be considered a success imo with 8 as a baseline.... What is needed for that to happen is a more dynamic offense. I think with our recruiting disadvantage we know we have against states like Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Louisiana that we are almost virtually never going to be fielding extreme depth at the defensive end. Petrino wasn't going to ever win a national title cause we even then showed our lack of defensive physicality against the big dogs. However, he had a scheme where he was going to rack up big points against average to solid teams which tallied his win total up there. I think a program like Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss State have shown when they have a big offense and a dynamic scheme then 10 wins becomes very realistic from time to time. We all know the defense has stunk lately, but that offense is solid but the scheme seems to make us turn into a ghost team too much.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on May 13, 2017, 11:37:20 pm
If he had a mediocre season again. Yes. I think he will move on on his own.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 21, 2017, 08:32:18 pm
He makes too much to move on his own.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on May 22, 2017, 09:13:46 am
He makes too much to move on his own.

I had the same thought.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on May 23, 2017, 08:16:29 am
Why would he leave a job that pays 4.5 million that doesn't require you to perform at a high level? I know I wouldn't
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on May 23, 2017, 11:57:32 am
Why would he leave a job that pays 4.5 million that doesn't require you to perform at a high level? I know I wouldn't

I'd be a lifetime employee
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 24, 2017, 03:09:39 pm
Isn't that sort of the way of the world. Reward mediocrity?  You know, every child gets a trophy sort of thing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on May 24, 2017, 03:42:29 pm
Hank Hill. Iconic man from King of the hill, says it best.

"Just because Bobby wears a cape, doesn't make him a hero"
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on June 19, 2017, 07:52:33 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/6hwb1s/2017_final_standings_based_on_the_vegas_ou_win/#f/arkansas
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on June 20, 2017, 09:28:36 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/6hwb1s/2017_final_standings_based_on_the_vegas_ou_win/#f/arkansas

Some of those are a little interesting and eye popping. I could see 7-5 again for Arkansas however. That early TCU and Texas A&M pocket will determine if the Hogs are a complete dud or salvage a respectable season. I definitely think Bama, Auburn, and LSU will be a cut above like predicted. But no way does South Carolina win 1 game overall and Miss State 2 overall.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on June 24, 2017, 08:17:31 pm
I have been watching the 30 minute "summer tours" from time to time on SEC Network catching up on each team to give me a better idea of each team in the SEC. I am brave enough I am already going to take a crack at picking every SEC teams regular season record for this coming year.....

West
1.Alabama 7-1  (11-1)
2.Auburn 6-2  (10-2)
3.LSU 6-2  (10-2)
4.Ole Miss 3-5  (7-5)
5.Arkansas 3-5  (6-6)
6.Texas A&M 3-5  (6-6)
7. Miss State 2-6 (5-7)

East
1.Georgia 6-2 (10-2)
2.Florida 5-3 (7-5)
3.Tennessee 4-4 (7-5)
4.Kentucky 4-4 (7-5)
5.Vanderbilt 3-5 (6-6)
6.South Carolina 3-5 (5-7)
7.Missouri 1-7 (3-9)


-Alabama OVER Georgia in the SEC title game
-Alabama loses again in the national title game
-Auburn or LSU sneaks in the final 4 teams whoever wins that game head to head in the regular season and gets the #4 seed in the playoff but loses once they get there
-Butch Jones gets fired at Tennessee
-Dan Mullen resigns and gets out of the SEC West in a hurry in another job in the ACC or Big Ten
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on June 24, 2017, 08:30:29 pm
So... you have Arkansas beating MIss state, Texas a&m and mizzou?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on June 24, 2017, 09:52:45 pm
So... you have Arkansas beating MIss state, Texas a&m and mizzou?

That is exactly the 3 teams I think we will beat so you guessed it spot on.... I know this may sound strange, but the law of averages says at some point we have to beat A&M. Arkansas can't lose to them forever. And we have a winning streak against Ole Miss so I think that we lose in Oxford with the law of averages working against us there. Of course I won't use that theory for our losing streak with Alabama. They definitely don't apply to any law of averages, but when 2 teams are fairly similar at some point the streak has to end like A&M or the Ole Miss one we have. South Carolina and Ole Miss certainly could be in the win column though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on June 24, 2017, 09:56:27 pm
I have been watching the 30 minute "summer tours" from time to time on SEC Network catching up on each team to give me a better idea of each team in the SEC. I am brave enough I am already going to take a crack at picking every SEC teams regular season record for this coming year.....

West
1.Alabama 7-1  (11-1)
2.Auburn 6-2  (10-2)
3.LSU 6-2  (10-2)
4.Ole Miss 3-5  (7-5)
5.Arkansas 3-5  (6-6)
6.Texas A&M 3-5  (6-6)
7. Miss State 2-6 (5-7)

East
1.Georgia 6-2 (10-2)
2.Florida 5-3 (7-5)
3.Tennessee 4-4 (7-5)
4.Kentucky 4-4 (7-5)
5.Vanderbilt 3-5 (6-6)
6.South Carolina 3-5 (5-7)
7.Missouri 1-7 (3-9)


-Alabama OVER Georgia in the SEC title game
-Alabama loses again in the national title game
-Auburn or LSU sneaks in the final 4 teams whoever wins that game head to head in the regular season and gets the #4 seed in the playoffbut loses once they get there
-Butch Jones gets fired at Tennessee
-Dan Mullen resigns and gets out of the SEC West in a hurry in another job in the ACC or Big Ten
there is a crazy season ahead of us if a 2 loss team makes the playoff.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on June 25, 2017, 12:40:11 am
That is exactly the 3 teams I think we will beat so you guessed it spot on.... I know this may sound strange, but the law of averages says at some point we have to beat A&M. Arkansas can't lose to them forever. And we have a winning streak against Ole Miss so I think that we lose in Oxford with the law of averages working against us there. Of course I won't use that theory for our losing streak with Alabama. They definitely don't apply to any law of averages, but when 2 teams are fairly similar at some point the streak has to end like A&M or the Ole Miss one we have. South Carolina and Ole Miss certainly could be in the win column though.

I'll go out on a limb and say we go... 8-4. Only losing to auburn, lsu, Alabama and Texas a&m. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on June 25, 2017, 01:05:58 pm
I'll go out on a limb and say we go... 8-4. Only losing to auburn, lsu, Alabama and Texas a&m.

That would be a really good season all considering the RW3 loss and Coach B would actually be able to sleep easy finally knowing he is in good graces again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on June 25, 2017, 01:10:27 pm
there is a crazy season ahead of us if a 2 loss team makes the playoff.

There would need to be a lot of losing because at this point the Big Ten and Pac 12 have solidified their champs as major contenders on a yearly basis again. There will have to be a lot of jumbling up of losses cause at this point Ohio State/Michigan winner plus the Washington/USC winner look to be strong and I personally think Michigan is going to pummel Florida by a score of like 38-10 early in the year. USC finished strong, but they always get the preseason hype train then fizzle out so I will believe it when I see it. I still think a Big 12 team must go undefeated to make it but that certainly is possible. I think the ACC comes down to Florida State and my surprise team of Miami. They won all 9 of their regular season games last year by 19 points or more and all 3 of their losses were brutal close ones. They return a lot and you would think those close games go in their favor this year...... Just my thoughts, but does anyone else see a possible surprise team coming out?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on June 25, 2017, 03:46:57 pm
SEC football is the best conference in the country until someone consistently proves they are not and one year doesn't make it so. Look at the last to years not just one.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on July 06, 2017, 12:10:24 pm
Arkansas vs Notre Dame

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/07/notre_dame_arkansas_schedule_h.html?platform=hootsuite
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on July 06, 2017, 01:21:01 pm
Arkansas vs Notre Dame

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/07/notre_dame_arkansas_schedule_h.html?platform=hootsuite

Wish that was the other way around... Stinks we won't see them in Fayetteville until 2025. I hope Notre Dame continues to stink.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on July 06, 2017, 01:33:48 pm
More than likely won't see them at all. Got a feeling they will Michigan us if they find a better option
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on July 06, 2017, 01:35:20 pm
More than likely won't see them at all. Got a feeling they will Michigan us if they find a better option

Probably.... Or they may join a conference by then and then they have to alter their schedule completely. They'll lose to Navy enough they'll join a conference to avoid Navy. I love watching them lose to Navy. I keep wanting Army or Air Force to beat Notre Dame too.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on July 06, 2017, 03:00:40 pm
More than likely won't see them at all. Got a feeling they will Michigan us if they find a better option

Bingo.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on July 06, 2017, 03:39:53 pm
More than likely won't see them at all. Got a feeling they will Michigan us if they find a better option
you are probably right. That's what I thought when I heard that the first game is in South Bend. I hope not though. It would be a neat sight as a college football fan to see those gold helmets on the Razorback stadium field.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on July 06, 2017, 04:17:24 pm
More than likely won't see them at all. Got a feeling they will Michigan us if they find a better option

If not, we'll get a big check for them cancelling. They didn't have another opening until 2025, and we have Texas at home in 2021.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on July 06, 2017, 04:35:18 pm
If not, we'll get a big check for them cancelling. They didn't have another opening until 2025, and we have Texas at home in 2021.

That's the spirit.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on July 06, 2017, 05:31:28 pm
Hopefully they return the favor as planned and come here in 2025. If so, that's my father-in-law's Christmas present that year (he's a big Notre Dame fan).
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: ricepig on July 06, 2017, 06:07:49 pm
That's the spirit.

One must look for a silver lining everywhere.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on July 27, 2017, 01:59:20 pm
Fall practice opens today. What do you think the record for the Hogs this season will be. I'm at 7-5. Higher if OL and LB play dramatically improves. Less if WR struggle and running game gets bottled up. Defensive adapting quickly to the 3-4 is also a key variable. Looking forward to the CFB season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on July 27, 2017, 02:50:13 pm
I'll go 6-6..... Wins against Texas A&M, Ole Miss, and Missouri. Then the 3 cupcake non conference games.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on July 27, 2017, 02:50:20 pm
5-7
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on July 27, 2017, 02:51:49 pm
5-7

They would still keep Bert and 75% of the people would still love him for some reason is the sad thing....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on July 27, 2017, 02:56:31 pm
They would still keep Bert and 75% of the people would still love him for some reason is the sad thing....
missing a bowl game and facing losing all American center and starting qb as well as defensive failure that would most certainly have come with a losing record surely gets him a one way ticket out of town.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on July 27, 2017, 03:03:33 pm
They would still keep Bert and 75% of the people would still love him for some reason is the sad thing....
I disagree. If he goes 5-7....the seat is basically on fire and:
1. He leaves on his own.
2. Fired after the 2018 season.

No way he makes it out alive either way if he goes 5-7.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on July 27, 2017, 03:09:05 pm
I disagree. If he goes 5-7....the seat is basically on fire and:
1. He leaves on his own.
2. Fired after the 2018 season.

No way he makes it out alive either way if he goes 5-7.

I don't think 5-7 will happen though for sure.... That would mean everything that could go wrong did go wrong and  we would probably have to lose both games to the back to back Texas schools and then losing 2 of 3 out of the two Mississippi schools and Missouri game. I just can't see all the happening. I am usually not on the optimistic side, but I think 8-4 would happen way before 5-7.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on July 27, 2017, 03:37:28 pm
Schedule is set up to win 7, anything less is bad news.  But, you can watch Coach cook on the web if football goes bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on July 27, 2017, 03:46:17 pm
I don't think 5-7 will happen though for sure.... That would mean everything that could go wrong did go wrong and  we would probably have to lose both games to the back to back Texas schools and then losing 2 of 3 out of the two Mississippi schools and Missouri game. I just can't see all the happening. I am usually not on the optimistic side, but I think 8-4 would happen way before 5-7.

I'm thinking 8-9 wins. It's a must to get some heat off his back. It's put up or shut up time. These all are his kids. And his development. No excuses.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on July 29, 2017, 11:04:55 pm
7-5 worst could win 9 games
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Valleysports on August 07, 2017, 06:37:28 pm
How many SEC Games? That's Conference games, btw.  And don't put A&M down as an automatic give-me again.  Six straight years of should've, don't count....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on August 08, 2017, 08:42:44 pm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/07/college-football-2017-records-all-130-fbs-teams/528788001/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 08, 2017, 10:19:25 pm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/07/college-football-2017-records-all-130-fbs-teams/528788001/

Pretty neat to look at.... They are loving them some Buckeyes with that 12-0 projection.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on August 14, 2017, 02:02:03 pm
Frank Broyles passed away today at age 92.

Thoughts and condolences to his family.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: urban legend2 on August 14, 2017, 04:32:10 pm
6-6...both Missouri and South Carolina will be tougher than most think
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 14, 2017, 09:51:59 pm
6-6...both Missouri and South Carolina will be tougher than most think

Our defense will be horrible again.... Any games we win in conference will come when we outscore the other team in a high scoring shootout.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Big Boy on August 16, 2017, 10:41:43 am
I find it interesting and am a bit surprised when looking at ESPN's FPI.  They have us going 5-7 if you go by the %'s.  I understand the games are played on the field, but we will have to "beat the odds" to beat that mark.  Below are the %'s to win the game per ESPN FPI. 
FL A&M W; 99.6%
TCU L; 36.1%
TX A&M L; 38.8%
NM St. W; 94.1%
SC L; 33.9%
AL L; 5.7%
Auburn L; 17.5%
Ole Miss L; 38.5%
Coastal Car W; 94.4%
LSU L; 14.5%
MS St W; 52.9%
Mizzou W; 58.6%
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 16, 2017, 05:06:23 pm
I find it interesting and am a bit surprised when looking at ESPN's FPI.  They have us going 5-7 if you go by the %'s.  I understand the games are played on the field, but we will have to "beat the odds" to beat that mark.  Below are the %'s to win the game per ESPN FPI. 
FL A&M W; 99.6%
TCU L; 36.1%
TX A&M L; 38.8%
NM St. W; 94.1%
SC L; 33.9%
AL L; 5.7%
Auburn L; 17.5%
Ole Miss L; 38.5%
Coastal Car W; 94.4%
LSU L; 14.5%
MS St W; 52.9%
Mizzou W; 58.6%

Sheesh, that is not good. I know games aren't won or lost on paper but that is quite bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on August 16, 2017, 06:24:14 pm
Honestly, how can anyone predict a better record than last year with an inexperienced line and a new defense that relies on good linebacker play but linebacker is an area we have struggled with for years
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 16, 2017, 06:26:57 pm
Honestly, how can anyone predict a better record than last year with an inexperienced line and a new defense that relies on good linebacker play but linebacker is an area we have struggled with for years

Also, they say a true freshman is going to be our go to RB in the SEC starting over Whaley?? I knew Whaley wasn't to be trusted as an every down back between the tackles like RW3. Unless you recruit like Alabama, Georgia, or LSU then you can't get away with a freshman at RB..... Alabama recruits so well they don't even have to play their incoming stud RB's. Plus, they are claiming a walk on freshman is about to get time at offensive line. Is our OL seriously that bad it has come to that? If Austin Allen was to get hurt before a win against a quality opponent and we play a back up then literally we are looking at a 4-8 season. The guy gets smashed more than anyone and he plays pretty well all considering. I'd like to see him play on a team that gives him a clean pocket most of the time cause I think he could be a top 8-10 range QB in the college game, but that isn't happening here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on August 16, 2017, 06:36:30 pm
Also, they say a true freshman is going to be our go to RB in the SEC starting over Whaley?? I knew Whaley wasn't to be trusted as an every down back between the tackles like RW3. Unless you recruit like Alabama, Georgia, or LSU then you can't get away with a freshman at RB..... Alabama recruits so well they don't even have to play their incoming stud RB's. Plus, they are claiming a walk on freshman is about to get time at offensive line. Is our OL seriously that bad it has come to that? If Austin Allen was to get hurt before a win against a quality opponent and we play a back up then literally we are looking at a 4-8 season. The guy gets smashed more than anyone and he plays pretty well all considering. I'd like to see him play on a team that gives him a clean pocket most of the time cause I think he could be a top 8-10 range QB in the college game, but that isn't happening here.
I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention. A walk on freshman is in line to start on the oline?!? Really? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 16, 2017, 06:39:57 pm
I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention. A walk on freshman is in line to start on the oline?!? Really?

That is what Bert said today at his press conference. He could have just been saying that to light a fire under his current O line.... Even if you have to say things like that to fire up your OL that is not a pretty picture ahead cause you know the upper classmen we have are horrendous.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on August 16, 2017, 07:08:01 pm
Who is the walk on?


Gibson?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on August 16, 2017, 07:10:17 pm
That is what Bert said today at his press conference. He could have just been saying that to light a fire under his current O line.... Even if you have to say things like that to fire up your OL that is not a pretty picture ahead cause you know the upper classmen we have are horrendous.
it has to be mind games. If after 5 years he is about to start a freshman walk-on at an offensive line position it should  tell you all you need to know about his recruiting, or actually lack of recruiting. I feel sorry for my razorback friends if this is actually the case.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on August 16, 2017, 07:49:47 pm
Massey has Arkansas ranked at #31

Thu
2017-08-31
Florida A&M
@ Little Rock AR
395
100 %
52   3   

Sat
2017-09-09
TCU
41
58 %
31   28   

Sat
2017-09-23
vs   Texas A&M
@ Arlington TX
26
43 %
31   34   


Sat
2017-09-30
New Mexico St
140
93 %
44   21   

Sat
2017-10-07
at   South Carolina
74
63 %
28   24   

Sat
2017-10-14
at   Alabama
1
4 %
14   42   

Sat
2017-10-21
Auburn
18
41 %
24   27   

Sat
2017-10-28
at   Mississippi
35
43 %
34   37   

Sat
2017-11-04
Coastal Car
125
90 %
42   21   

Sat
2017-11-11
at   LSU
3
17 %
17   31   

Sat
2017-11-18
Mississippi St
45
60 %
34   31   

Fri
2017-11-24
Missouri
81
77 %
38   28


http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 16, 2017, 07:59:42 pm
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489

Those seem very much more realistic except for TCU and South Carolina.... I'd drop those about 10% but that paints a more accurate picture.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 16, 2017, 08:00:22 pm
it has to be mind games. If after 5 years he is about to start a freshman walk-on at an offensive line position it should  tell you all you need to know about his recruiting, or actually lack of recruiting. I feel sorry for my razorback friends if this is actually the case.

I totally agree.... I am baffled at how this guy hasn't recruited the OL better.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 20, 2017, 04:47:15 pm
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489

7 wins appears to be the ceiling this year....With
Auburn potentially being the "Upset" win....and the potential to drop the TCU, Mississippi St, South Carolina and Mizzou games...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 20, 2017, 09:32:24 pm
7 wins appears to be the ceiling this year....With
Auburn potentially being the "Upset" win....and the potential to drop the TCU, Mississippi St, South Carolina and Mizzou games...

There seems to be a lot of people high on Missouri this year. I have seen a lot of people pick them as a surprise in the East cause of their offense. I'll believe when I see it. Maybe I shouldn't doubt them though since they stormed to a  14-2 record in the SEC in a two year span a few years back. We'll see though. They are kind of like us. They can score, but can't stop anybody even in the games they win.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on August 20, 2017, 09:52:37 pm
Probably gonna be a long year for the hogs
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 21, 2017, 11:07:45 am
There seems to be a lot of people high on Missouri this year. I have seen a lot of people pick them as a surprise in the East cause of their offense. I'll believe when I see it. Maybe I shouldn't doubt them though since they stormed to a  14-2 record in the SEC in a two year span a few years back. We'll see though. They are kind of like us. They can score, but can't stop anybody even in the games they win.

Don't remember where...but seen someone calling them a top 10 offense this year...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on August 21, 2017, 02:53:49 pm
Don't remember where...but seen someone calling them a top 10 offense this year...
probably the expectation that they improve a little from last year. They finished thirteenth in total offense in 2016.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 21, 2017, 06:23:11 pm
probably the expectation that they improve a little from last year. They finished thirteenth in total offense in 2016.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21


Was not aware they were that high last year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 21, 2017, 07:31:10 pm
I didn't know their numbers were that good either last year. I know one thing they have in their favor is a good schedule to put up numbers. Auburn and Florida are the only two teams they will face who they will go against a decent defense this coming year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on August 21, 2017, 07:52:19 pm
I didn't know their numbers were that good either last year. I know one thing they have in their favor is a good schedule to put up numbers. Auburn and Florida are the only two teams they will face who they will go against a decent defense this coming year.

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=4948&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 24, 2017, 09:12:36 pm
7 days until Florida A&M takes a bus up from Tallahassee to Little Rock... This is a bad FCS team. I'll go 59-7 in this one.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on August 24, 2017, 10:44:47 pm
7 days until Florida A&M takes a bus up from Tallahassee to Little Rock... This is a bad FCS team. I'll go 59-7 in this one.
there will definately be a lot of hog touchdowns to celebrate.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 25, 2017, 06:19:52 pm
7 days until Florida A&M takes a bus up from Tallahassee to Little Rock... This is a bad FCS team. I'll go 59-7 in this one.

Which means it'll probably be a 35-28 affair
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on August 25, 2017, 09:06:24 pm
Idk if A&M will beat us by that much...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on August 31, 2017, 11:01:43 am
It's Game Day People!!!   


WoooPig!!!     Hogs win by 14!!

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on August 31, 2017, 01:15:44 pm
They had better win by more than 14...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 31, 2017, 02:14:43 pm
They had better win by more than 14...

And if they don't?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on August 31, 2017, 02:58:02 pm
And if they don't?

I guess everybody starts complaining?   Tis' the season of football!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 31, 2017, 05:07:22 pm
Last I saw we are a 48 point favorite in Vegas.... I knew Florida A&M is one of the worst teams even in FCS lately. But a 7 score favorite??
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on August 31, 2017, 06:41:46 pm
We will surprise some people!

Three wins are gimme's.
Florida A&M
New Mexico State
Coastal Carolina
3-0

Games we are certainly the better team and will win.
TCU
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Missouri
8-0

Games we are equal to our opponent.
South Carolina (They are still learning the new system we should win. Being it is at SC will make it interesting.)
Auburn (Gus is on the hot seat as well but we get the at DWRRS.)
LSU (At Death Valley makes this hard for us.)
10-1

Games we lose.
Alabama @ Alabama
10-2


Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 31, 2017, 07:05:19 pm
We will surprise some people!

Three wins are gimme's.
Florida A&M
New Mexico State
Coastal Carolina
3-0

Games we are certainly the better team and will win.
TCU
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Missouri
8-0

Games we are equal to our opponent.
South Carolina (They are still learning the new system we should win. Being it is at SC will make it interesting.)
Auburn (Gus is on the hot seat as well but we get the at DWRRS.)
LSU (At Death Valley makes this hard for us.)
10-1

Games we lose.
Alabama @ Alabama
10-2

I am pretty sure this is sarcasm right?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on August 31, 2017, 07:18:41 pm
Tells a lot about the future of a stadium when a high school game on Saturday might have more fans than a Razorback game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 31, 2017, 07:21:36 pm
Tells a lot about the future of a stadium when a high school game on Saturday might have more fans than a Razorback game.

That is honestly embarrassing when it showed the totality of the crowd.... You can tell Allen is going to get crushed when we start playing real opponents. Florida A&M is getting pressure. I seriously feel bad for AA having to play behind that line.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on August 31, 2017, 07:58:40 pm
Defense good. Offense bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on August 31, 2017, 09:16:20 pm
Update (I know it's a bad team but still):

Defense really good. Offense good.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on August 31, 2017, 09:38:59 pm
I am pretty sure this is sarcasm right?
No
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on August 31, 2017, 09:40:00 pm
We will be fine. People need to quit scrutinizing everything.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 31, 2017, 09:49:53 pm
Last I saw we are a 48 point favorite in Vegas.... I knew Florida A&M is one of the worst teams even in FCS lately. But a 7 score favorite??

Gonna come close to covering it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 31, 2017, 09:55:02 pm
We will be fine. People need to quit scrutinizing everything.

We are fans.... That is what we do. You need to take your homer glasses off. Allen is going to be running for his life again. It's plain as day. 8 wins would require us to win the majority of our close games we end up in. That is the ceiling of this team from what we saw tonight if that is what we are as a team.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on August 31, 2017, 09:56:38 pm
I don't know, beach bum... I was pretty impressed with our defense tonight.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on August 31, 2017, 09:57:38 pm
We are fans.... That is what we do. You need to take your homer glasses off. Allen is going to be running for his life again. It's plain as day. 8 wins would require us to win the majority of our close games we end up in. That is the ceiling of this team from what we saw tonight if that is what we are as a team.

Watched most of the 1st half.....Oline needs a bunch of work on pass protection......looked and sounds like our defense played as expected tonight...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on August 31, 2017, 09:59:22 pm
I don't know, beach bum... I was pretty impressed with our defense tonight.

I think this showed we will be much better against those spread teams and teams that don't use overpowering you as a means to win games. The teams I am still worried about are still the obvious power teams of LSU, Auburn, and Bama that are capable of lining up and running down hill on people. I think the defense will certainly fair better against the likes of Texas A&M, TCU, Ole Miss, and Mizzou. I agree they looked like they may be better suited to cover those offenses.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on August 31, 2017, 10:04:36 pm
Definitely an improvement over last year any way you slice it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on August 31, 2017, 10:29:00 pm
Tells a lot about the future of a stadium when a high school game on Saturday might have more fans than a Razorback game.

Give a stadium a shotty opponent on a Thursday night and that's the result.

Ready to just hand it over.

I want to remember tons of memories and great games at WMS instead of FAMU and Toledo.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on August 31, 2017, 11:26:45 pm
I don't know, beach bum... I was pretty impressed with our defense tonight.
hold that thought until you see how they do against a team with a pulse. If they look lie that against TCU then you are onto something. I watched Agim most of the night. He blew up many plays with penetration. He is a stud.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 01, 2017, 07:39:39 am
Update (I know it's a bad team but still):

Defense really good. Offense good.

It was a MEAC team.  I had told the folks I work with my prediction was 62-7.

Frank's gone, put UAPB on the schedule.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 01, 2017, 07:51:34 am
+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: urban legend2 on September 01, 2017, 08:05:26 am
From what I saw, the O-Line needs work, particularly in pass protection, because if they played like that against even decent teams, the Hogs would be in trouble. For most of the night, Allen looked uncomfortable whenever he dropped back. ... The RBs did what they were supposed to do against a highly inferior opponent. ... Hard to gauge the improvement of the defense because FAMU didn't attack downfield until the one drive late that they scored on, but the defensive line was very active. Overall, not a whole lot you can tell from this one, aside from the O-line needing some work.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 01, 2017, 08:48:03 am
It was a MEAC team.  I had told the folks I work with my prediction was 62-7.

Frank's gone, put UAPB on the schedule.


Uapb. A state.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 01, 2017, 12:39:56 pm
Uapb. A state.

UCA
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on September 01, 2017, 12:53:12 pm
Uapb. A state.

They scurred
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 01, 2017, 02:17:46 pm
They scurred

We played an astate equivalent last night. Not scared.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: urban legend2 on September 01, 2017, 02:22:23 pm
We played an astate equivalent last night. Not scared.
FAMU is closer to being a UAPB equivolent than ASU...trust me.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 01, 2017, 02:30:51 pm
We played an astate equivalent last night. Not scared.
FAMU plays at a much lower level than AState. Probably as equal a step down as from UofA to AState.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 01, 2017, 02:49:42 pm
FAMU is an FCS team that plays in the MEAC

Last year's WMS opponent was Alcorn.
Alcorn is an FCS team that plays in the SWAC

Neither the MEAC or the SWAC choose to participate in the FCS football playoff.  The champions from each conference play each other and it's billed as the HBCU National Championship.

UAPB is an FCS team that plays in the SWAC

My point was, if Arkansas is going to schedule MEAC or SWAC teams, they might as well schedule UAPB rather than funding the programs of UAPB's conference members.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 01, 2017, 02:59:37 pm
Well, had to judge what success we will have from last nights game.   Offense didn't look impressive, OL needs work. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 01, 2017, 03:06:42 pm
Austin will be running for his life in SEC play. After watching the performance by the offensive line, we may not win 5 games this year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 01, 2017, 03:07:03 pm
We are fans.... That is what we do. You need to take your homer glasses off. Allen is going to be running for his life again. It's plain as day. 8 wins would require us to win the majority of our close games we end up in. That is the ceiling of this team from what we saw tonight if that is what we are as a team.
Give them some time to gell. We are going to smoke TCU.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 01, 2017, 03:08:23 pm
Give them some time to gell. We are going to smoke TCU.
TCU will go vertical and when FAMU finally did that, they scored. We're in trouble unless something changes
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 01, 2017, 03:38:56 pm
TCU will go vertical and when FAMU finally did that, they scored. We're in trouble unless something changes

On the second/third team unit. From what radio stated.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 01, 2017, 03:44:12 pm
JMO. Still only the first game. But defensively we looked ok, or least somewhat improved from last year. Last year that team scores 20 plus on us. But TCU should be a good measuring stick.

Offensively I expected a slow start. Allen still holds on to the ball to long and is still staring down receivers. He has to improve or he will get himself killed, plus he will have a ton of INT's again. His decision making has got to get better.

The Oline looks to have the same problems as last year. Missing assignments and so on. To many free shots on our Allen isn't going to help him improve.

Running backs looked pretty good despite some poor blocking. I was really impressed with the Hayden kid.

Hard for the receivers to look good when your QB isn't making good throws and good decisions with his throws.

Nice to see us kicking it through the end zone and covering kicks well.

7 wins with a bowl win
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 01, 2017, 11:21:50 pm
FAMU had <100 yards until the second/third team came in. Don't act like they had any success with anything on offense against our first team defense.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 01, 2017, 11:30:20 pm
FAMU had <100 yards until the second/third team came in. Don't act like they had any success with anything on offense against our first team defense.
Glad you're okay with how they looked and not concerned
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 02, 2017, 09:02:24 am
I hope the Hogs are not going to be disappointing! Again!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 02, 2017, 09:24:07 pm
I hope the Hogs are not going to be disappointing! Again!!!
Me to but I think theirs a good chance they might. I hope not.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 03, 2017, 10:14:44 am
Uapb. A state.

We probably didn't want to play A State this year. They only lost by 7 to Nebraska last night. I almost didn't believe the score when I saw it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 03, 2017, 04:21:25 pm
We probably didn't want to play A State this year. They only lost by 7 to Nebraska last night. I almost didn't believe the score when I saw it.
Nebraska. Please. Wash ups. Haha
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 03, 2017, 05:54:46 pm
UA is not going to do anything that might benefit the in state colleges.  They will not risk playing them.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 03, 2017, 10:26:05 pm
UA is not going to do anything that might benefit the in state colleges.  They will not risk playing them.
that's a shame too. A lot of big time programs across the college football landscape schedule in state programs.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 03, 2017, 10:28:33 pm
that's a shame too. A lot of big time programs across the college football landscape schedule in state programs.

Exactly, we are scared and elitist when we have no basis to be elitist.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 05, 2017, 11:55:09 am
College Football news preview of TCU game.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/09/arkansas-tcu-prediction-game-preview

It is a toss up game. Hogs need to win this to climb the ladder on a good season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on September 05, 2017, 12:18:21 pm
Nebraska. Please. Wash ups. Haha

ASU had every chance to win that game....all our problems could be solved if we played each other on the first playing date in Little Rock.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 05, 2017, 12:38:57 pm
TCU 38 Arkansas 24
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 05, 2017, 01:18:33 pm
Massey moved Arkansas chance of winning from 58% to 59% and still has the score 31-28 Hogs.

http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 05, 2017, 08:01:33 pm
TCU 38 Arkansas 24

I will always respect a mans opinion. But... no. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 05, 2017, 08:11:08 pm
48-24 then?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 05, 2017, 08:37:19 pm
Not predicting any scores. Just don't think Arkansas loses.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 08, 2017, 10:09:07 am
Gosh, UA is hard to get excited about.  I think they will win but I could see them getting upset if TCU can score some points. Arkansas just doesn't look that good. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 08, 2017, 10:27:18 am
Gosh, UA is hard to get excited about.  I think they will win but I could see them getting upset if TCU can score some points. Arkansas just doesn't look that good. 

Hard to be upset when you aren't favored to wib
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 08, 2017, 10:31:19 am
Hard to be upset when you aren't favored to wib

I was actually slightly surprised when Vegas had them favored even playing here. That means they think TCU is 7-10 better on a neutral field. I thought it would be a 1 point line either direction. Last I saw it was 3 points favored that TCU wins.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 08, 2017, 02:36:46 pm
You mean Arkansas will not be upset if they get beat? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 08, 2017, 03:05:51 pm
I won't be upset.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 09, 2017, 11:21:44 am
Arkansas - 30
TCU - 24
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 02:50:00 pm
Our line can't block then they go through our defense Like water through a screen door
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 09, 2017, 04:44:56 pm
Well if our offense doesn't do something soon these bullets our defense happens to be dodging at the moment are going to start hitting
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 04:50:15 pm
TCU is keeping us in the game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 09, 2017, 04:57:41 pm
That they are gotta punch this in
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 09, 2017, 05:00:11 pm
Unbelievable
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:24:44 pm
TCU is keeping us in the game

Exactly, they dropped a TD that would have sealed it. We can't even move the ball on a team that would be 3-5 at best in the SEC West.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:26:04 pm
Unbelievable

I honestly feel bad for that kid. He isn't the reason we may lose this cause we would only be at 13 one shy of TCU's score, but he has to feel awful. This is a results driven business so I doubt he is kicking anymore after this game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:32:29 pm
We will surprise some people!

Three wins are gimme's.
Florida A&M
New Mexico State
Coastal Carolina
3-0

Games we are certainly the better team and will win.
TCU
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Missouri
8-0

Games we are equal to our opponent.
South Carolina (They are still learning the new system we should win. Being it is at SC will make it interesting.)
Auburn (Gus is on the hot seat as well but we get the at DWRRS.)
LSU (At Death Valley makes this hard for us.)
10-1

Games we lose.
Alabama @ Alabama
10-2

I have a feeling there will be a couple more on that list you get wrong too..... We literally have no explosive passing game. TCU is an 8-4 team from a conference that plays no defense and we can not move the ball on them. What is going to happen when we play Auburn, LSU, or Alabama's defense?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:33:32 pm
firebert.com
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 09, 2017, 05:35:45 pm
I honestly feel bad for that kid. He isn't the reason we may lose this cause we would only be at 13 one shy of TCU's score, but he has to feel awful. This is a results driven business so I doubt he is kicking anymore after this game.
Yeah he isn't the reason we lost. We are actually lucky it's still close. However when we get a chance for points a scholarship kicker should be able to make a 22 and a 23 yard FG.

Austin Allen is tough as nails but he and the receivers have got to get on the same page. That has to happen fast.

As I type this they score twice
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: InYoGrill on September 09, 2017, 05:36:05 pm
Bad coaching again...

Players don't look motivated to win this game in the 4th. On the coaches. Coach B shows so little emotion when the wheels are falling off. I am usually not that critical of Hog football
but we pay coach B toooooooo much money for middle of the road records.

Team is self destructing as I am typing this. LOL!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: InYoGrill on September 09, 2017, 05:38:01 pm
What is your impression of the 3-4 D? I don't like it especially for the SEC. Teams like Bama and LSU will GASH us all game long with the run. Our D line has been driven back the entire game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:40:44 pm
What is your impression of the 3-4 D? I don't like it especially for the SEC. Teams like Bama and LSU will GASH us all game long with the run. Our D line has been driven back the entire game.

I agree, Miss State will run all over us too. If Texas A&M establishes the run in two weeks I see them beating us by about 10-14 points too. They seem like they are going to be more reliant on the run this season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 09, 2017, 05:44:20 pm
firebert.com
As you said its results based. Unfortunately what I see is them same thing that has plagued us since he has been here.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 05:46:07 pm
Why is Austin Allen in the game getting crushed 3 straight plays down 3 TD's with 30 seconds left?? We definitely don't have the brightest coach roaming the sidelines.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 09, 2017, 05:46:34 pm
Hogs are just bad. Talent, Coaching, Effort, it all looked bad today.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 09, 2017, 06:19:15 pm
3-9. That's my prediction. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 06:37:19 pm
Guys I've been telling y'all for a couple of years now that we didn't have the right man in charge.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on September 09, 2017, 06:38:11 pm
Will be interesting to hear the excuses of the so called hog gurus!  However, I was not that impressed with TCU either, they are better coached and played smarter!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 09, 2017, 06:57:39 pm
Oh they will win 5-6 but that's not very good.  Bad thing is his contract is so inflated that they cannot replace him until at least after 2018.  I'm wishing some one would give me a nice raise for only doing the minimum.  Must be sweet!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 06:59:40 pm
You know it's bad when Ricepig won't even try and defend them
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 07:54:41 pm
You know it's bad when Ricepig won't even try and defend them

I am pretty sure he has admitted defeat when he won't even come down here and defend Bert.... My honest evaluation is this. He is now 25-27 as the coach here. Unless some miracle happens he will probably sit right below .500 after this season overall. Imo, even Vanderbilt and Kentucky would probably fire their coach after 5 years and not having a combined record of .500 or better or be in super serious consideration at that point with maybe one year left on the leash . Are we seriously that low now that Jeff Long has admitted we have lower standards than UK and Vandy? I think Jeff Long should pay the buy out with his own money since he was that dumb to give a guy an extension after a 2-14 SEC record to start.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 07:59:06 pm
I agree and also think long should be fired too
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on September 09, 2017, 08:09:24 pm
Needless to say, today is probably the last time we'll see Cole Hedlund kicking for Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 08:11:31 pm
Too bad they won't sit the coaches for poor performance
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 09, 2017, 08:13:15 pm
3-9 is a real possibility....scary to think that it might not be enough to get Bert fired
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 09, 2017, 08:17:21 pm
I'll stick with my 5-7 record
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on September 09, 2017, 08:34:47 pm

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We gave up football and went strictly to a money-making school twenty seven years ago. With that move we lost our recruiting base. Texas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma got the cream of the crop of the Texas high school recruits and the A&Mís, TCUís, Baylorís, SMUís OSUís, Techís and remainderís of the nation got what was left.

Long, Bielema, and Enos are totally incompetent and have just kicked the dirt into the grave. That Enos character couldnít coordinate a jr. high team.

I grew up with Frank Broyles as the coach - with great assistants - and later as AD. Itís difficult for me to accept this mess we have now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 09, 2017, 08:41:40 pm
Well if we lose to Texas A&M after 2 weeks to prepare for them you know we stink.... A&M is only beating Nicholls State 14-6 in the 2nd half right now  ???
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on September 09, 2017, 10:09:10 pm
If only we could look half as good as the teams on TV tonight!  I hope our coaches are watching - maybe they could learn a thing or two!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on September 09, 2017, 10:09:30 pm
If only we could look half as good as the teams on TV tonight!  I hope our coaches are watching - maybe they could learn a thing or two!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 10, 2017, 12:55:45 am
Well, I can admit when I'm wrong. Jeeeezzzz, that was bad. Coach B did not have this team prepared and he looked lost trying to come from behind. Why did he leave Allen in at the end getting killed? What would have happened had the kid got hurt. Also, why not give the backups some playing time. Allen is gone after this year and it would be nice to have someone that has some SEC playing time. Our defense did play well for three and a half quarters. That is the only upside. No kicking game either. We don't need to pack it in just yet though. Lot's of football yet to be played folks.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on September 10, 2017, 01:32:21 pm
Quit buying tickets and things will change. I dont think thats gonna be a problem. Folks had a little false hope after we man handled the middle school team from floroda last week with 30,000 folks in the stadium. Back to reality. We will never be good with the pig farmer at the helm. And the problem actually isnt his other than hes the one responsible for hiring the worst OC in the sec. I bet ive heard 100 times how great a play caller enos is. I dont get it. Hes terrible. Just plain terrible.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 10, 2017, 03:42:51 pm
Only problem with pulling Allen to keep him from getting hurt, and I was all for pulling him but not for the same reason, would be that many fans would think it was a give up sign.  Heck, we didn't give up, we never gave a hoot.  I saw Ragnow's statement about, great coaches, great players but we need to put out.  Naw, we ain't got great nothing, great doesn't play like that.  I'd love to see a bunch of changes but they pay the coach too much to fire him and he runs through assistants pretty fast already.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 10, 2017, 04:06:26 pm
Only problem with pulling Allen to keep him from getting hurt, and I was all for pulling him but not for the same reason, would be that many fans would think it was a give up sign.  Heck, we didn't give up, we never gave a hoot.  I saw Ragnow's statement about, great coaches, great players but we need to put out.  Naw, we ain't got great nothing, great doesn't play like that.  I'd love to see a bunch of changes but they pay the coach too much to fire him and he runs through assistants pretty fast already.


He loves to have scapegoats for his own problems. That is just another reason why I don't care for him.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ventman on September 10, 2017, 04:31:26 pm
Bad coaching again...

Players don't look motivated to win this game in the 4th. On the coaches. Coach B shows so little emotion when the wheels are falling off. I am usually not that critical of Hog football
but we pay coach B toooooooo much money for middle of the road records.

Team is self destructing as I am typing this. LOL!
x2
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ventman on September 10, 2017, 04:38:22 pm
Quit buying tickets and things will change. I dont think thats gonna be a problem. Folks had a little false hope after we man handled the middle school team from floroda last week with 30,000 folks in the stadium. Back to reality. We will never be good with the pig farmer at the helm. And the problem actually isnt his other than hes the one responsible for hiring the worst OC in the sec. I bet ive heard 100 times how great a play caller enos is. I dont get it. Hes terrible. Just plain terrible.
Bingo stop buying tickets and a change will be made period. What we saw yesterday was not acceptable. He is in year number 5 with his players. It's time to produce or they need to clean house.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 10, 2017, 04:40:45 pm
You know it's bad when Ricepig won't even try and defend them

He has nothing to defend.

The product all the "season ticket holders", "alums", "frat buds", and "stakeholders" are paying for is HOT GAHHHHHHBAGE.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 10, 2017, 06:07:02 pm
I'm curious, what is the real problem with UA football?   I have my own ideas but I wonder what others think. 
For me, UA is a middle of the SEC team and always has been. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ventman on September 10, 2017, 06:58:18 pm
The Hogs need to be in the Big12, it's a better fit. That won't happen because it's all about the money.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 10, 2017, 07:49:46 pm
I hear people say its coaching and some say its players.  One thing for sure its not money.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 10, 2017, 08:35:58 pm
If it's players, that's the coaches fault
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 10, 2017, 08:37:17 pm
If it's players, that's the coaches fault

Especially in year 5...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 10, 2017, 09:11:24 pm
I'd agree with that, coaches fault.  I don't think our talent is superior to most of the teams we play. To play the game BB wants we need to be physically better. To win more than 5-6 games our players are really going to have to step it up.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 10, 2017, 09:42:32 pm
I think most of us can handle a loss. But it's the way we have been losing. Historically embarrassing. This is crap that used to happen to Vanderbilt.

At some point the powers that be have to see this and that the job is not getting done. If he doesn't right the ship in a hurry he needs to go buyout be darned.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 10, 2017, 10:00:24 pm
BB got lucky to ever land this job..... He got his big pay day and became lazy. He only landed this job because he won Big Ten titles when that conference was at its near worst historically. Ohio State was on probation in that time period and Michigan and Penn State were in some serious lows they haven't seen before. He is in way over his head here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on September 10, 2017, 11:00:33 pm
Yes, and where is Penn State today?  With what they had to deal with, they should have been buried and never heard from again!  It's called tradition, "which we have lost" recruiting and coaching. At 4 mill a year, fire me, I don't care!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 11, 2017, 08:07:28 am
Not only did he win those titles when the Big 10 was down. But he did it with mostly the previous coaches players. When he was at Cheese Land. He had four RBs break records. The ONLY one he recruited was Melvin Gordon. The previous three he inherited . Not to mention Russell Wilson.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 11, 2017, 08:24:35 am
I think it's time to scrap this type of offense.

Bring on the power spread.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on September 11, 2017, 08:27:35 am
Bring back Gus and run the read option
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 11, 2017, 08:44:06 am
Should have never got rid of Bobby.Fire long.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 11, 2017, 08:46:25 am
I agree and also think long should be fired too
+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on September 11, 2017, 10:38:35 am
My small glimmer of hope is quickly fading.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 11, 2017, 10:46:18 am
We hired him!   We are at fault.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 11, 2017, 03:03:21 pm
Not only did he win those titles when the Big 10 was down. But he did it with mostly the previous coaches players. When he was at Cheese Land. He had four RBs break records. The ONLY one he recruited was Melvin Gordon. The previous three he inherited . Not to mention Russell Wilson.

I had totally forgotten Wilson literally just fell into his lap when the NC State coach ran him off for no good reason cause he wanted to try baseball too. What a selfish and idiotic coach at NC State to let him go. Plus, a once in a generation hometown defensive player fell into his lap when JJ Watt went to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 11, 2017, 05:57:14 pm
My wife texted me a link to a petition to hire Mile Leach. If she is feeling that way Bielema is in trouble. She is normally very patient when it comes to Hog sports. Support all the way. She is tired of the mediocrity and embarrassed by the product on the field. Berts days are numbered.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 11, 2017, 08:38:25 pm
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but we need to be patient and let the schedule play out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 11, 2017, 09:20:07 pm
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but we need to be patient and let the schedule play out.

25-27 we have been patient enough.... It's time to try something different.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 11, 2017, 10:25:41 pm
We have no choice but to let it play out. However we want to see improvement as well.

We have seen these same problems long enough though. Especially the over the last two games of last year and the first two games of this year. Yeah we beat an FCS school by 42, that should have been the halftime score. But offensively you could still see the problems and those were exposed against a better opponent.

I didn't expect us to beat TCU but I would at least like us to look like we have played the game before. TCU kept us in the game with their mistakes and we couldn't do darn thing.

The A&M game is going to be ugly on both sides. They are bad and we are too. Maybe one of will be bad enough to make the other look good. Even if we somehow find some way to win what does it even prove. Welp we are better than that wreck.

I figured us for 7 wins. Unless we look better, even in a loss if that's possible it's really looking like 5.

You can be 7-5 and still look like a competitive program. It's just frustrating to watch, I will continue too, and it looks like a lot of our players don't even where to go on the field sometimes.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 11, 2017, 10:35:55 pm
We have no choice but to let it play out. However we want to see improvement as well.

We have seen these same problems long enough though. Especially the over the last two games of last year and the first two games of this year. Yeah we beat an FCS school by 42, that should have been the halftime score. But offensively you could still see the problems and those were exposed against a better opponent.

I didn't expect us to beat TCU but I would at least like us to look like we have played the game before. TCU kept us in the game with their mistakes and we couldn't do darn thing.

The A&M game is going to be ugly on both sides. They are bad and we are too. Maybe one of will be bad enough to make the other look good. Even if we somehow find some way to win what does it even prove. Welp we are better than that wreck.

I figured us for 7 wins. Unless we look better, even in a loss if that's possible it's really looking like 5.

You can be 7-5 and still look like a competitive program. It's just frustrating to watch, I will continue too, and it looks like a lot of our players don't even where to go on the field sometimes.

If we lose to A&M its for sure a 4 or 5 win season..... If we squeak by them we could salvage 6 or 7. It's going to be an ugly game on both sides in Dallas.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 12, 2017, 07:41:49 am
Well if this season is gonna be repeated exactly like the other Beliema seasons, we are gonna win a game or two that we are suppose to lose.  We do it every year. There's always that game or 2 that gets our hopes up and makes us say dang if we ba just play like that the rest of the season then we are gonna be dangerous! But thats the last time we see that Arkansas team. Then the other Arkansas team shows up. And bums us out even harder. Because that's Arkansas identity under Beliema. Inconsistency. How the game goes depends on which Hogs show up.

I don't see us beating A&M. But that's just it. We aren't expecting it. We have low expectations. Now you just watch this will be the game or one of the 2 games. We will go in and play lights out with 170 passing and 200 rushing yards and hold them to under 14 points and out of nowhere this Hog team explodes out a tremendous win!
With all us watching, the last 2 weeks will be forgotten as we celebrate a huge win that shocks the sec and the nation. If we can just keep this up, we can very well see 8 or maybe even 9 wins! We will then go into the following week with huge expectations. But the Hog team we wanna see from the last week stayed home. And the team from the TCU game makes its return. And bums us out even harder. I will not be surprised the least bit if this happens.

It Might not be this next game. But it's happened each year beliemas been here except his first year. I don't see any reason why it won't happen again this year. Beliema is a genius at it. We will go our usual inconsistent 6-6 or 7-5. The only question I have is how will our story this year end? Will our bowl game result in an ending like the Texas bowl a couple years back? Where we dominate and shine and there's so much to look forward to the next season? Or will it end like last years nightmare?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 12, 2017, 10:04:34 am
I think this whole season will be a nightmare
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 12, 2017, 10:29:45 am
Well if this season is gonna be repeated exactly like the other Beliema seasons, we are gonna win a game or two that we are suppose to lose.  We do it every year. There's always that game or 2 that gets our hopes up and makes us say dang if we ba just play like that the rest of the season then we are gonna be dangerous! But thats the last time we see that Arkansas team. Then the other Arkansas team shows up. And bums us out even harder. Because that's Arkansas identity under Beliema. Inconsistency. How the game goes depends on which Hogs show up.

I don't see us beating A&M. But that's just it. We aren't expecting it. We have low expectations. Now you just watch this will be the game or one of the 2 games. We will go in and play lights out with 170 passing and 200 rushing yards and hold them to under 14 points and out of nowhere this Hog team explodes out a tremendous win!
With all us watching, the last 2 weeks will be forgotten as we celebrate a huge win that shocks the sec and the nation. If we can just keep this up, we can very well see 8 or maybe even 9 wins! We will then go into the following week with huge expectations. But the Hog team we wanna see from the last week stayed home. And the team from the TCU game makes its return. And bums us out even harder. I will not be surprised the least bit if this happens.

It Might not be this next game. But it's happened each year beliemas been here except his first year. I don't see any reason why it won't happen again this year. Beliema is a genius at it. We will go our usual inconsistent 6-6 or 7-5. The only question I have is how will our story this year end? Will our bowl game result in an ending like the Texas bowl a couple years back? Where we dominate and shine and there's so much to look forward to the next season? Or will it end like last years nightmare?
I agree with this. His teams do just enough to make you scratch your head and wonder. The TCU game won't be the last time they play like that. There will be a game that they come out and play like they did last year against Florida. It all means that he doesn't have what it takes to win above a mediocre level. Too inconsistent. It will be this way as long as he is here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 12, 2017, 11:37:47 am
What happens if UA lets him go?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 12, 2017, 11:42:22 am
What happens if UA lets him go?

Hope that Texas A&M beats us and their coach by a miracle survives his job, and that Tennessee's coach survives his job too. Then we fire BB and pay whatever it takes to get Chip Kelly. If Texas A&M or Tennessee comes open mark my words he will be at one of those schools. We have to hope those guys last. In reality Sumlin is gone and unless Tennessee utterly collapses Butch Jones will survive yet another year in Knoxville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on September 12, 2017, 12:16:59 pm
Hope that Texas A&M beats us and their coach by a miracle survives his job, and that Tennessee's coach survives his job too. Then we fire BB and pay whatever it takes to get Chip Kelly. If Texas A&M or Tennessee comes open mark my words he will be at one of those schools. We have to hope those guys last. In reality Sumlin is gone and unless Tennessee utterly collapses Butch Jones will survive yet another year in Knoxville.

Chip Kelly is not coming to Arkansas
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 12, 2017, 12:27:41 pm
Chip Kelly is not coming to Arkansas

He might be enticed by a big SEC pay day and that he could get an extension with a massive buyout if he wins even 2 of his first 16 conference games  ;D .... He knows Jeff Long is a push over. Who wouldn't say yes to such a big pay day knowing there are no expectations to go with that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 12, 2017, 01:02:03 pm
Arkansas could hire Paul bear Bryant and it wouldn't matter.

Circle the recruiting base around Fayetteville and Branson, MO is in the circle....there is your problem.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 12, 2017, 01:30:54 pm
Arkansas could hire Paul bear Bryant and it wouldn't matter.

Circle the recruiting base around Fayetteville and Branson, MO is in the circle....there is your problem.

Those Ozark hill folk aren't the speediest bunch that is for sure...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on September 12, 2017, 02:30:20 pm
Arkansas could hire Paul bear Bryant and it wouldn't matter.

Circle the recruiting base around Fayetteville and Branson, MO is in the circle....there is your problem.

I agree with that completelyÖAs Iíve said on many occasions, we did it to ourselves. We had great recruiting in East Texas and completely destroyed that with the move to the SEC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 12, 2017, 04:47:56 pm
Man, the SW conference wasn't in the same league at the SEC.  As a conference UA is in with the best.  Of course maybe they should have stayed where they were so they would have a better record.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on September 12, 2017, 07:03:46 pm
Man, the SW conference wasn't in the same league at the SEC.  As a conference UA is in with the best.  Of course maybe they should have stayed where they were so they would have a better record.

Before all the internal problems the SWC was every bit as good as the SEC. SMUís cheating - and perhaps another - and Texas trying to dominate the policies of the conference was what brought it down. There was more, but that is the jest of it in the short version. Texas people will not admit it but Arkansas leaving hurt the SWC badly.

But,

I was not addressing which conference is now the best, but why Arkansas has no recruiting base. We had a pipe line into east Texas recruiting until entering the SEC. By entering the SEC the valve in that pipe line became ninety percent closed.

And,

Iím not a real fan of being near the bottom of a conference and then sayingÖ but, we play in the best conference in the nation Ė which is debatable. I want to be one of the better teams in the nation and without a recruiting base that will never happen.

I respect your opinion but have my own which appears to be different from yours. The conferences are so screwed up now it really makes no difference. West Virginia in the Big 12. Colorado in the Pacific 12. Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M in the SEC. To me this makes no sense at all. If the UofA was located at Lake Village instead of Fayetteville I might be able to see it.

And oh yes,

I truly believe we could compete in the SEC and win our fair share if we were still able to recruit east Texas as efficiently as we once did. A&M coming into the SEC has made that effort even more difficult.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on September 12, 2017, 08:15:26 pm
Arkansas could hire Paul bear Bryant and it wouldn't matter.

Circle the recruiting base around Fayetteville and Branson, MO is in the circle....there is your problem.

You hit the nail on the head. Fayetteville might be a nice area, but its horrible for recruiting. Heck, Missouri doesn't even recruit Missouri players. Out of the 25 players they signed in February, only one was from Missouri.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 12, 2017, 08:27:59 pm
Sat  2017-09-23
vs   Texas A&M
@ Arlington TX
   40 %
   27   31   



Sat  2017-09-30
New Mexico St
   91 %
   42   21
   



Sat  2017-10-07
at   South Carolina
   49 %
   26   27   



Sat  2017-10-14
   at   Alabama
   2 %
   10   41   



Sat  2017-10-21
Auburn
   27 %
   20   28   



Sat  2017-10-28
at   Mississippi
   39 %
   34   38   



Sat  2017-11-04
Coastal Car
   86 %
   38   21
   



Sat  2017-11-11
at   LSU
   11 %
   14   34   



Sat  2017-11-18
Mississippi St
   46 %
   31   34   



Fri  2017-11-24
Missouri
   74 %
   38   30


https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 12, 2017, 08:43:52 pm
Sat  2017-09-23
vs   Texas A&M
@ Arlington TX
   40 %
   27   31   



Sat  2017-09-30
New Mexico St
   91 %
   42   21
   



Sat  2017-10-07
at   South Carolina
   49 %
   26   27   



Sat  2017-10-14
   at   Alabama
   2 %
   10   41   



Sat  2017-10-21
Auburn
   27 %
   20   28   



Sat  2017-10-28
at   Mississippi
   39 %
   34   38   



Sat  2017-11-04
Coastal Car
   86 %
   38   21
   



Sat  2017-11-11
at   LSU
   11 %
   14   34   



Sat  2017-11-18
Mississippi St
   46 %
   31   34   



Fri  2017-11-24
Missouri
   74 %
   38   30


https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
if the season works  out chalk to these numbers that means 4-8. Does Bert get fired for finishing 4-8?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 12, 2017, 08:55:28 pm
He'll be 11-29 in sec play if this 4-8 listed above comes to pass.
I'd say that speaks for itself.

I know I know he's a great guy. I hear it all the time. Heck I said it when he first came here. I really like having him as a coach as far as his character and morals and personality goes. But you don't hire a coach to win a who's more likeable contest. You hire a coach to win games. And if you don't do that then you're not doing your job. And in any other job,not doing your job means you're fired. No different here. 5 years is long enough to see what he can do. If we finish under 5 or less I say fire him as soon as we finish our final game. If we are able to get 6 or 7, we can talk about maybe giving him one more year 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 13, 2017, 06:57:03 am
I agree with you AW
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on September 13, 2017, 10:16:39 am
Before all the internal problems the SWC was every bit as good as the SEC. SMUís cheating - and perhaps another - and Texas trying to dominate the policies of the conference was what brought it down. There was more, but that is the jest of it in the short version. Texas people will not admit it but Arkansas leaving hurt the SWC badly.

But,

I was not addressing which conference is now the best, but why Arkansas has no recruiting base. We had a pipe line into east Texas recruiting until entering the SEC. By entering the SEC the valve in that pipe line became ninety percent closed.

And,

Iím not a real fan of being near the bottom of a conference and then sayingÖ but, we play in the best conference in the nation Ė which is debatable. I want to be one of the better teams in the nation and without a recruiting base that will never happen.

I respect your opinion but have my own which appears to be different from yours. The conferences are so screwed up now it really makes no difference. West Virginia in the Big 12. Colorado in the Pacific 12. Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M in the SEC. To me this makes no sense at all. If the UofA was located at Lake Village instead of Fayetteville I might be able to see it.

And oh yes,

I truly believe we could compete in the SEC and win our fair share if we were still able to recruit east Texas as efficiently as we once did. A&M coming into the SEC has made that effort even more difficult.

That is the problem. Yes Arkansas is in the best conference (debatable). But it's like being able to afford a private jet and not being able to afford the fuel for it. All your friends are flying around and your looking at yours sitting on the tarmac.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 13, 2017, 10:43:10 am
That is the problem. Yes Arkansas is in the best conference (debatable). But it's like being able to afford a private jet and not being able to afford the fuel for it. All your friends are flying around and your looking at yours sitting on the tarmac.
and what's as puzzling is many cheer them for how high they can fly, and take a sense of pride in it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 13, 2017, 01:33:34 pm
Man, the SW conference wasn't in the same league at the SEC.  As a conference UA is in with the best.  Of course maybe they should have stayed where they were so they would have a better record.
Before all the internal problems the SWC was every bit as good as the SEC. SMUís cheating - and perhaps another - and Texas trying to dominate the policies of the conference was what brought it down. There was more, but that is the jest of it in the short version. Texas people will not admit it but Arkansas leaving hurt the SWC badly.

But,

I was not addressing which conference is now the best, but why Arkansas has no recruiting base. We had a pipe line into east Texas recruiting until entering the SEC. By entering the SEC the valve in that pipe line became ninety percent closed.

And,

Iím not a real fan of being near the bottom of a conference and then sayingÖ but, we play in the best conference in the nation Ė which is debatable. I want to be one of the better teams in the nation and without a recruiting base that will never happen.

I respect your opinion but have my own which appears to be different from yours. The conferences are so screwed up now it really makes no difference. West Virginia in the Big 12. Colorado in the Pacific 12. Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M in the SEC. To me this makes no sense at all. If the UofA was located at Lake Village instead of Fayetteville I might be able to see it.

And oh yes,

I truly believe we could compete in the SEC and win our fair share if we were still able to recruit east Texas as efficiently as we once did. A&M coming into the SEC has made that effort even more difficult.


The problem for UA is not SEC, its Fayetteville and coaching decisions.  Wrong coaches, wrong recruits, and Fayetteville may be  a nice town to live in but its hard to recruit the best talent to come here.  Either that or we have lousy recruiters.  We get some of the better Arkansas high school players but we loose  a good number of those also. You also have to look at the total number of DI talent that a state has.  Last time I looked TX has many more D1 than does Arkansas, its not even close.  To get those recruits we have to beat the bushes and ID the top players and then go get them.  Nobody built a wall around Texas when UA joined the SEC, its been bad recruiting by the staff.   Last 5 years is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 13, 2017, 01:37:49 pm
heres the chart for numbers of D1 football signees

State   '17   '16   '15   '14   '13   Total   Total%
Texas   47   52   47   37   46   229   13.8%
Florida   42   47   50   42   46   226   13.6%
California   35   45   44   34   41   199   12.0%
Georgia   33   26   34   23   25   141   8.5%
Ohio   16   12   17   15   19   79   4.8%
Louisiana   12   21   13   16   12   74   4.5%
Alabama   15   8   12   11   13   59   3.6%
Virginia   15   6   13   10   13   57   3.4%
North Carolina   7   15   9   13   7   51   3.1%
Pennsylvania   9   9   9   7   10   44   2.7%
Tennessee   9   8   11   7   9   44   2.7%
New Jersey   5   8   7   10   11   41   2.5%
Mississippi   7   11   7   8   5   38   2.3%
Illinois   5   6   5   12   9   37   2.2%
Maryland   9   11   6   4   6   36   2.2%
Michigan   10   9   4   4   8   35   2.1%
South Carolina   4   5   5   9   5   28   1.7%
Indiana   4   4   3   6   7   24   1.4%
Arizona   3   5   2   7   6   24   1.4%
Oklahoma   5   1   5   7   2   20   1.2%
Washington   5   3   6   2   2   18   1.1%
Arkansas   2   3   5   2   3   15   0.9%
D.C.   3   4   3   2   3   15   0.9%
Utah   5   2   3   3   1   14   0.8%
Nevada   6   0   3   4   0   13   0.8%
Missouri   3   1   3   3   2   12   0.7%
Colorado   2   1   3   3   1   10   0.6%
Hawaii   2   2   4   0   2   10   0.6%
Oregon   2   2   1   2   3   10   0.6%
Kentucky   1   3   2   2   1   9   0.5%
Iowa   2   2   0   2   1   7   0.4%
Kansas   0   3   0   3   0   6   0.4%
Minnesota   0   1   1   3   1   6   0.4%
New York   1   0   1   3   1   6   0.4%
Wisconsin   1   2   0   2   1   6   0.4%
Connecticut   2   0   2   0   0   4   0.2%
Delaware   1   0   0   1   0   2   0.1%
Massachusetts   0   0   0   0   2   2   0.1%
Nebraska   0   0   0   0   2   2   0.1%
New Mexico   1   0   1   0   0   2   0.1%
Idaho   0   0   1   0   0   1   0.1%
South Dakota   0   1   0   0   0   1   0.1%
Alaska   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Maine   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Montana   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
New Hampshire   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
North Dakota   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Rhode Island   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Vermont   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
West Virginia   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Wyoming   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
National   331   339   342   319   326   1657
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 13, 2017, 02:03:42 pm
heres the chart for numbers of D1 football signees

State   '17   '16   '15   '14   '13   Total   Total%
Texas   47   52   47   37   46   229   13.8%
Florida   42   47   50   42   46   226   13.6%
California   35   45   44   34   41   199   12.0%
Georgia   33   26   34   23   25   141   8.5%
Ohio   16   12   17   15   19   79   4.8%
Louisiana   12   21   13   16   12   74   4.5%
Alabama   15   8   12   11   13   59   3.6%
Virginia   15   6   13   10   13   57   3.4%
North Carolina   7   15   9   13   7   51   3.1%
Pennsylvania   9   9   9   7   10   44   2.7%
Tennessee   9   8   11   7   9   44   2.7%
New Jersey   5   8   7   10   11   41   2.5%
Mississippi   7   11   7   8   5   38   2.3%
Illinois   5   6   5   12   9   37   2.2%
Maryland   9   11   6   4   6   36   2.2%
Michigan   10   9   4   4   8   35   2.1%
South Carolina   4   5   5   9   5   28   1.7%
Indiana   4   4   3   6   7   24   1.4%
Arizona   3   5   2   7   6   24   1.4%
Oklahoma   5   1   5   7   2   20   1.2%
Washington   5   3   6   2   2   18   1.1%
Arkansas   2   3   5   2   3   15   0.9%
D.C.   3   4   3   2   3   15   0.9%
Utah   5   2   3   3   1   14   0.8%
Nevada   6   0   3   4   0   13   0.8%
Missouri   3   1   3   3   2   12   0.7%
Colorado   2   1   3   3   1   10   0.6%
Hawaii   2   2   4   0   2   10   0.6%
Oregon   2   2   1   2   3   10   0.6%
Kentucky   1   3   2   2   1   9   0.5%
Iowa   2   2   0   2   1   7   0.4%
Kansas   0   3   0   3   0   6   0.4%
Minnesota   0   1   1   3   1   6   0.4%
New York   1   0   1   3   1   6   0.4%
Wisconsin   1   2   0   2   1   6   0.4%
Connecticut   2   0   2   0   0   4   0.2%
Delaware   1   0   0   1   0   2   0.1%
Massachusetts   0   0   0   0   2   2   0.1%
Nebraska   0   0   0   0   2   2   0.1%
New Mexico   1   0   1   0   0   2   0.1%
Idaho   0   0   1   0   0   1   0.1%
South Dakota   0   1   0   0   0   1   0.1%
Alaska   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Maine   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Montana   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
New Hampshire   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
North Dakota   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Rhode Island   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Vermont   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
West Virginia   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
Wyoming   0   0   0   0   0   0   0.0%
National   331   339   342   319   326   1657

Oklahoma has TWO major division I programs and barely has anymore DI talent than our state yet they have two teams in the top 10? Kind of throws out the argument we don't have the recruiting base. Plus Washington is near us and Oregon on that list and Oregon was dominating a few years back and Washington just went to the final 4..... Maybe its because they had great coaches in Chip Kelley and Chris Peterson who are way beyond Bert as a coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 13, 2017, 02:39:48 pm
Those numbers are low. There are 130 or so D1 schools. Use the number of 100 D1 teams and say they average signing 20 scholarships a year and not the max of 25. That is conservatively 2,000 scholarships each season. At any given point there are over 10,000 D1 scholarship athletes playing football.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 13, 2017, 08:46:53 pm
Well if you are correct then thats about 500 signees per year, but some athletes get red shirts and hang around for an additional year. Small change I'm sure but whatever. Still, the number on that chart shows about a 30% difference between AR, and OK.  Plus, thats how many were produced from each state, not how many a college signed, so we don't really know where each schools signees came from. Texas, and Florida have a lot Arkansas doesn't.   
Anyway for UA to get really good they are going to have to recruit better and coach better.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 14, 2017, 10:14:03 am
Coach B will get the ship headed in the right direction against the Aggies.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 14, 2017, 10:27:25 am
Coach B will get the ship headed in the right direction against the Aggies.

Getting the ship sailing in the right direction has never been a problem for Coach B.
It's being able to arrive at the destination that seems to always be the problem.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 14, 2017, 12:46:11 pm
Coach B will get the ship headed in the right direction against the Aggies.

Well the Aggies seem to be just as dreadful too so I don't think it will mean diddly if we win a close game against them. You did see they only beat Nicholls State 24-14 last week? If we win its like 2 midgets battling it out and one of them just has to win by default.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 15, 2017, 10:38:17 pm
Was listening to the radio today and a guy was talking about the SEC. He got around to the Hogs/CB and A&M/Sumlin. Basically his opinion until the TCU loss CB was not on the hot seat, or firmly anyways. He now believes he is coaching for his job. His opinion was if we don't be A&M then who are we going to beat in the SEC. Said pretty much Sumlin is gone at the end of the year unless there is major turn around and possibly after our game if they lose. Said he would bet that if we lose to A&M CB will be gone at years end as well. I'm not sure of that but it's his opinion.

Another thing he said is Arkansas is getting out Arkansawed in our games. Basically we must control the line of scrimmage for our offense to work and that we can't do that with what we have. Then what does Arkansas have to fall back on to get this done. His answer was Allen but that he didn't think that Allen could do it on his own.

There was more said but couldn't remember it all. Not sure I agree with it all but it goes to show that it's not just folks in Arkansas that see what is going on.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 16, 2017, 11:29:18 am
Makes sense.
Yea coaches wanna win. But you'd think it means more to the kids. They only have 2 to 4 years to play. They don't get anything for a win except praise and bragging rights and maybe a trophy at the end of a bowl game. Coaches can coach as long as they wish. They still get their paycheck win or lose. For a player, their college career is quick and will end. For a coach, there's always next year.
So it would make sense that a coach would feel more heat and be more motivated to get a win if he knew his job depended on it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 16, 2017, 12:45:15 pm
UA is on the edge of disaster.  They have to get it together or it may be real ugly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 16, 2017, 06:04:07 pm
UA is on the edge of disaster.  They have to get it together or it may be real ugly.

If we can't beat Missouri or Texas A&M just dismantle the program..... Those two teams somehow might be worse than we are and that doesn't seem possible.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 16, 2017, 08:51:31 pm
LSU is looking really good tonight.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 16, 2017, 08:52:39 pm
LSU is looking really good tonight.
really good to be able to beat.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 16, 2017, 09:44:25 pm
really good to be able to beat.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 17, 2017, 08:46:38 am
I have a really good vibe, we only lose one more game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2017, 09:12:12 am
That would be great. But whatever you are smoking taking or drinking I want some of it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 17, 2017, 10:17:18 am
I have a really good vibe, we only lose one more game.

I will give you more realistic outlook than what you gave.... We will lose 4 more games minimum


Texas A&M- they're terrible too so we have a chance here
New Mexico State- If we lose to them how sad, we should win
@South Carolina- we won't be able to score much in this one, slight lean loss
@Alabama- loss bad
Auburn- Auburn's offense stinks, but their defense is great, 90% loss
@ Ole Miss- slight lean to loss here, a win would not surprise me though
Coastal Carolina- win
@LSU- too many athletes to shut down our bad offense, loss
Miss State- they look so improved its crazy, loss here
Missouri- this team might make us even look good on offense, win here to end the year


..... We are still looking at somewhere between 5-7 and 7-5..... If we finish 7-5 its because the rest of us can admit this is the worst we have all seen the SEC in forever. The bottom 6 or 7 teams in this conference look so bad and we should be thankful for that.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2017, 05:38:26 pm
At least we will look good in Dallas. I'm know where close to a Cowboys fan but the units look good
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 17, 2017, 07:47:32 pm
Did anyone else see we are slotted to play at 11 in the morning Saturday?? As if two lackluster teams needed anything else for this to turn into an eye sore of an offensive game..... 20 points will win this game most likely.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 17, 2017, 11:11:03 pm
At least we will look good in Dallas. I'm know where close to a Cowboys fan but the units look good

TWSS
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2017, 06:34:11 am
Autocorrect is killing me lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 18, 2017, 08:51:50 am
That would be great. But whatever you are smoking taking or drinking I want some of it.
Positive vibes man! If we all send some positive vibes to the Razorbacks it would help instead of all of the negativity.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 18, 2017, 10:12:37 am
That's ludicrous.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 18, 2017, 12:51:02 pm
That's ludicrous.
What, being positive?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 18, 2017, 01:02:18 pm
That it will help them win. Just about everyone was positive before the season started and look how that turned out. Maybe a little heat on the seat of the AD down is what they all need to get motivated
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 18, 2017, 01:18:21 pm
Autocorrect is killing me lol

 ;D


Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 18, 2017, 05:13:15 pm
That it will help them win. Just about everyone was positive before the season started and look how that turned out. Maybe a little heat on the seat of the AD down is what they all need to get motivated
I respect your decision to be negative, however I am going to continue to support Coach B and the hogs.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 18, 2017, 10:18:57 pm
I respect your decision to be negative, however I am going to continue to support Coach B and the hogs.

Once the guy ran his mouth to about half of our competition and then couldn't even back it up I lost all support for him a long time ago... I want a guy that wins games and has a personality more like Mike Anderson's. I am not saying Mike Anderson is such a winning coach, but talking more in the sense I like his modest and more behind the scenes personality .... You don't see Mike Anderson kissing up to all his superiors and begging for a TV camera to be put in his face anytime he can. He just has the personality he wants to do his job and not be seen. That is why if Mike Anderson was to ever fail here I would feel bad for him and can't wait for BB to leave on the other hand.... I don't get the whole BB's a nice guy talk. He seems more like a cocky former frat boy who sucks up to all the right people and who can't back up anything he says.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2017, 11:16:45 pm
I respect your decision to be negative, however I am going to continue to support Coach B and the hogs.
Just because we are pointing out the negative things about our Hogs does not mean we do not support. Just because we may not think they can win this Saturday does not mean we do not want them to.

I think every Hog fan wants us to win and to be a good team.

Now not every fan wants CB to still be the coach, some didn't want him here in the first place. However when you are making 4 plus million dollars the team should at least look like it's played some football before. Right now there isn't much positive to look at.

You keep it positive. I'll keep pulling for them but I'm not gonna sugar coat anything And be all positive when there's not much to be positive about.

Seriously this game Saturday is like Cinderellas two ugly step sisters fighting over the glass slipper. No real winner cause the shoe ain't gonna fit.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 19, 2017, 10:58:47 am
soooooooooooooooooooooo....

Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 19, 2017, 11:12:56 am
soooooooooooooooooooooo....

Arkansas is a 2.5 point favorite...

That is stinking funny.... Goes to show you how much they think of the Aggies and Kevin Sumlin  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 19, 2017, 11:14:03 am
And of the razorbacks
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 19, 2017, 11:19:33 am
And of the razorbacks

The SEC as a whole has so many bad teams right now.... Any other power 5 teams would love to schedule Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Texas A&M right now from the West. Ole Miss and Texas A&M can't even beat average to below average Pac 12 teams and Arkansas can't even score double digits on a Big 12 defense of a team that won't even sniff winning the Big 12.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 19, 2017, 12:35:33 pm
Go Hogs! Coach B., some of us are behind you win or lose. Go get some Aggies this weekend. Time to rebound and get moving towards a SEC West Championship!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 19, 2017, 12:58:09 pm
Hahahahaha that's hilarious
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 19, 2017, 01:57:04 pm
I am starting to think ricepig created a second account to fool us....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 19, 2017, 02:19:36 pm
Speaking of: where is he?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 19, 2017, 02:47:48 pm
I guess he can't even make excuses for the mess Bert has us in
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 19, 2017, 03:36:05 pm
Speaking of: where is he?

He is too busy defending the "foundation" on hogville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 19, 2017, 06:20:01 pm
You know it's bad when I'm not even defending him anymore
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 19, 2017, 08:31:54 pm
You know it's bad when I'm not even defending him anymore

I also have stopped defending him.


Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2017, 08:40:25 pm
Dan Wolkin wrote an article on the state of SEC coaching. I'll try and find post a link. Interesting read
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 19, 2017, 08:50:03 pm
Dan Wolkin wrote an article on the state of SEC coaching. I'll try and find post a link. Interesting read

Definitely do if you find it....Even a guy like McElwain has lost complete control at Florida. I saw where some more guys got in trouble with the law there. Right now, the only coaches who seem safe are Saban, Mason, and Mullen for a while. The rest don't have more than a couple years to ruin their welcome. If Derek Mason at Vanderbilt can somehow get to an 8-4 regular season record I can see him pulling a Franklin before him and landing at a program like Nebraska or even landing at another school in the SEC that can pay him more. I wish we had a coach like Mason. He gets fired up to his players and acts like he is having fun when things are going well. You can tell he genuinely loves what he is doing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2017, 09:10:34 pm
Definitely do if you find it....Even a guy like McElwain has lost complete control at Florida. I saw where some more guys got in trouble with the law there. Right now, the only coaches who seem safe are Saban, Mason, and Mullen for a while. The rest don't have more than a couple years to ruin their welcome. If Derek Mason at Vanderbilt can somehow get to an 8-4 regular season record I can see him pulling a Franklin before him and landing at a program like Nebraska or even landing at another school in the SEC that can pay him more. I wish we had a coach like Mason. He gets fired up to his players and acts like he is having fun when things are going well. You can tell he genuinely loves what he is doing.
Unfortunately I couldn't find it. In a nutshell it covered the guys that would be staying. But called out Orgeron and muschamp for already having failed before at SEC schools. Then down through the hot seat guys. Then did a little summary of each hot seat guy, which wasn't from Wolken but from folks he had interviewed that keep tabs on coaching in the college ranks. Their take is that we are overreacting after the TCU loss. Basically barring a complete collapse the higher ups are still on CB side, that 15.4 looms large and he will get at least one more year.

I'll keep looking though.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 19, 2017, 09:12:23 pm
Dan Wolkin wrote an article on the state of SEC coaching. I'll try and find post a link. Interesting read

"3. Recent head coaching hires in the SEC have leveled the playing field: A decade ago in the SEC, you had Urban Meyer at Florida, Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, Bobby Petrino at Arkansas, Mark Richt at Georgia and Les Miles (still at the peak of his powers) at LSU. The only school that can even think they upgraded is Georgia, and thatís still very much in question depending on how good of a game day coach Kirby Smart has. The SECís string of uninspired coaching hires has made the league ordinary outside of Alabama, to the point where a classic rivalry like Florida-Tennessee is an unwatchable disaster (at least until the final few minutes). Which leads me toÖ "

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2017/09/16/college-football-week-3-florida-tennessee-sec-coaches-clemson/674568001/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 20, 2017, 06:19:28 am
"3. Recent head coaching hires in the SEC have leveled the playing field: A decade ago in the SEC, you had Urban Meyer at Florida, Steve Spurrier at South Carolina, Bobby Petrino at Arkansas, Mark Richt at Georgia and Les Miles (still at the peak of his powers) at LSU. The only school that can even think they upgraded is Georgia, and thatís still very much in question depending on how good of a game day coach Kirby Smart has. The SECís string of uninspired coaching hires has made the league ordinary outside of Alabama, to the point where a classic rivalry like Florida-Tennessee is an unwatchable disaster (at least until the final few minutes). Which leads me toÖ "

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2017/09/16/college-football-week-3-florida-tennessee-sec-coaches-clemson/674568001/
Bleu this one was strictly about the dissatisfaction of SEC fans with their coaches.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 20, 2017, 06:22:16 am
Outside of Alabama, dissatisfaction among SEC fans is rampant, and growing.

That's the headline, USA Today column but for some reason I can't get the link from my phone.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 20, 2017, 06:48:22 am
Outside of Alabama, dissatisfaction among SEC fans is rampant, and growing.

That's the headline, USA Today column but for some reason I can't get the link from my phone.

Gotta figure that Tennessee, LSU, Arkansas, Florida and A&M could all be in the market for a new coach this off-season...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 20, 2017, 08:38:43 am
Let's face hard facts folks, whether or not you like Coach B., and I do he will be here past this season. The 15m dollar buyout is too much to pay someone not working and then you have to hire a new coach in the same dollar range. It is just not fiscally feasible to do at this point. After the 2018/2019 season it drops to 8.9m I believe and that is in range.

One point I will agree on with you folks is this, Jeff Long should have never given Coach B. or any coach outside of Nick Saban a contract that long with that kind of buyout. If the blame game is played then Jeff Long is the culprit.

So let's set back, enjoy some hog football and hope for the best! Because complaining and calling for Coach B.'s head is pointless right now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 20, 2017, 09:01:16 am
Outside of Alabama, dissatisfaction among SEC fans is rampant, and growing.

That's the headline, USA Today column but for some reason I can't get the link from my phone.

Let me try again:

"Arkansas: While the program has not progressed as much as expected after Bielemaís early splash, athletics director Jeff Long and other decision-makers are more realistic about the situation than Arkansas fans. Despite the howling following an ugly 28-7 loss at home to TCU, Bielemaís hefty buyout ($15.4 million through 2017, dropping to $11.7 million on Jan. 1, 2018) plus uncertainty about the ability to upgrade likely will keep him in place at least another year."

CLICK HERE (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2017/09/19/sec-fans-rampant-and-growing-dissatisfaction-outside-alabama/681291001/)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 20, 2017, 09:53:02 am
"Arkansas: While the program has not progressed as much as expected after Bielemaís early splash, athletics director Jeff Long and other decision-makers are more realistic about the situation than Arkansas fans. Despite the howling following an ugly 28-7 loss at home to TCU, Bielemaís hefty buyout ($15.4 million through 2017, dropping to $11.7 million on Jan. 1, 2018) plus uncertainty about the ability to upgrade likely will keep him in place at least another year."

CLICK HERE (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2017/09/19/sec-fans-rampant-and-growing-dissatisfaction-outside-alabama/681291001/)
See, we may even have to keep him another two years. Sit back and enjoy fellas. It's Jeff Long you should be screaming about!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 20, 2017, 10:39:53 am
Trolling. Nothing to enjoy, yet anyways and don't see anything on the horizon either.

Also the "DECISION MAKERS" being more realistic just means they are worried about the buyout.

In the long run if things keep progressing/regressing like they are we will have a completely empty 75000 plus seat stadium every Saturday. Then that buyout will look like chump change compared to the money lost from not being able to fill those seats
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 20, 2017, 12:44:23 pm
I've been calling for long and Bert's heads for a while now. .
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 20, 2017, 01:19:28 pm
If everyone in the state would just pay $5 a piece then we could pay his buyout.... I'll do it now. I'll waste $5 anyway at some point this week.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 20, 2017, 05:39:02 pm
If everyone in the state would just pay $5 a piece then we could pay his buyout.... I'll do it now. I'll waste $5 anyway at some point this week.
He doesn't deserve an extension, but he deserves two more years. Then evaluate! ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 20, 2017, 06:00:35 pm
He doesn't deserve an extension, but he deserves two more years. Then evaluate! ;)

I hope you are not a boss or in any position of power at your job. Is that the expectations you would hold for employees? Have 14 bad shifts in a row then work 2 good ones so you give them a raise out of this world? Then the employee gets lazy and just settles for being good 30% of the time in meaningful moments? This is not high school football with district lines that limits player options and where you can not recruit your own players you want. College football coaches making millions of dollars don't deserve more than 4 or 5 years to prove they can have at least one or two decent years in that time frame. We all knew this was a train wreck after last year. His teams have gotten worse from his 2nd and 3rd years and those years were just so so anyway.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 20, 2017, 08:17:03 pm
He has 10 more games to show that he can make a difference. If there is no improvement and I'm talking about us looking like a competent football program then beach has my $5 possibly 10.

As it is now I have to make the decision to go watch a 3rd grade flag football game or watch the Hogs. Something tells me I could probably get the same quality of football on the peewee field as the game being played in Jerry world.

It's probably DVR and tracking the score and watching these kids viciously rip these flags away from each other. The best thing will be the screaming parents I bet.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on September 21, 2017, 09:23:24 am
That would be great. But whatever you are smoking taking or drinking I want some of it.

Second in that line.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 12:11:42 pm
Now supposedly we have two players get in a fight. One hasn't touched the field and the other starter. The starter out with a broken jaw
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 21, 2017, 12:16:15 pm
Now supposedly we have two players get in a fight. One hasn't touched the field and the other starter. The starter out with a broken jaw

Is this rumor or true? Heard it's confirmed on pay sites but it's ok hogville. And hogville is a joke.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 21, 2017, 12:42:06 pm
It was on 103.7 buzz. Devwah got punched by Brandon Martin. He broke his jaw..
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 01:02:06 pm
That's the reason I said supposedly. But now looking like it has been confirmed.

JMO here. But we have been told we are to be UNCOMMON. But now not only the play on the field but we have the Sprinkle incident, Morgans spit and now this.

This is one thing that CBB handles pretty well though and I'm sure he will this time. It's just dang can we get to playing good football. This stuff is a lot easier to take when that happens.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 21, 2017, 02:33:51 pm
Apparently it's a rumor... because Devwah has posted on twitter that he is set to travel with the team and take on Texas a&m in his home state.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 06:23:20 pm
Good we need that guy to turn in to what we think he can be
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on September 21, 2017, 07:09:20 pm
Rumors swirling on Hogville that Devwah Whaley will not play against the Aggies on Saturday after suffering a broken jaw due to a locker room altercation with a teammate.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 07:44:44 pm
Guess we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 07:50:14 pm
Apparently CB has said he will be playing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 21, 2017, 07:51:14 pm
Bert just confirmed that there was a scuffle and he has "minor" injuries. How are both guys not immediately suspended for the game? He has no control over anything. People make mistakes, but he didn't even make a statement as a leader. He literally played it off as " Young men get into arguments all the time so what's the big deal". That is what I heard come out of his mouth. He continues to prove he is lost in this job.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 21, 2017, 08:30:02 pm
http://katv.com/sports/hog-central/bielema-confirms-devwah-whaley-teammate-involved-in-scuffle-says-rb-will-play-saturday
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 08:38:05 pm
Bert just confirmed that there was a scuffle and he has "minor" injuries. How are both guys not immediately suspended for the game? He has no control over anything. People make mistakes, but he didn't even make a statement as a leader. He literally played it off as " Young men get into arguments all the time so what's the big deal". That is what I heard come out of his mouth. He continues to prove he is lost in this job.
I wouldn't expect either to play the entire game if much at all
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 21, 2017, 08:51:31 pm
I wouldn't expect either to play the entire game if much at all


Martin wouldn't have even traveled with the team anyways.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2017, 09:05:49 pm

Martin wouldn't have even traveled with the team anyways.
Dont think he has touched the field yet anyway.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 21, 2017, 09:08:09 pm
You still suspend them both as a message.... Any decent coach would who has control.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 22, 2017, 09:47:49 am
Oh, Please!  You have no idea what happened, who caused it, or what the damage was.  If you suspended every kid who ever got into a fight at practice, half the kids in football would have been suspended.  You want a little fire in the belly and there is a difference between a push and shove and a few blows thrown when guys have helmets on, and a real, "I'm trying to end your career" type melee!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 22, 2017, 10:41:04 am
Oh, Please!  You have no idea what happened, who caused it, or what the damage was.  If you suspended every kid who ever got into a fight at practice, half the kids in football would have been suspended.  You want a little fire in the belly and there is a difference between a push and shove and a few blows thrown when guys have helmets on, and a real, "I'm trying to end your career" type melee!

It was in the locker room buddy... That is totally different. It wasn't a heat of the moment thing in a heated play or series in practice. They let it fester and brought that crap to the locker room. Or these two guys have had issues off the field for a while. Just goes to show you the maturity level of them both. He enables his players to do whatever they want. You could tell that during our bowl game last year that none of our players fear him or respect his leadership. AND anytime I witnessed a fight while growing up in practice YES they were handed down some sort of punishment by our coach. It's because he had leadership. Do you let the kids run the show or is the coach running the show?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 22, 2017, 11:09:32 am
Let's hope he goes to Nebraska.

Then we can bring in the next hot up and coming Derek Dooley.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 22, 2017, 11:13:41 am
BB is literally going to set our program back even further the longer the guy stays here.... We have to move on from him. He will never win more than 8 games here..... 8-4 is literally his ceiling in the regular season. We need a coach that can get us to 10-2 every 5 years or so with 8-4 as the normal season. Not the ceiling.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 22, 2017, 11:22:52 am
Let's hope he goes to Nebraska.

Then we can bring in the next hot up and coming Derek Dooley.

Well they will more than likely know how to evaluate the talent they recruit much better than the current coach. I am sure anyway will be better at that than BB.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 22, 2017, 11:33:02 am
It was in the locker room buddy... That is totally different. It wasn't a heat of the moment thing in a heated play or series in practice. They let it fester and brought that crap to the locker room. Or these two guys have had issues off the field for a while. Just goes to show you the maturity level of them both. He enables his players to do whatever they want. You could tell that during our bowl game last year that none of our players fear him or respect his leadership. AND anytime I witnessed a fight while growing up in practice YES they were handed down some sort of punishment by our coach. It's because he had leadership. Do you let the kids run the show or is the coach running the show?

Now, there you go.  You said he should have suspended them and now you are saying some sort of punishment was handed down.  I bet some sort of punishment was handed down.  And by the way, I'm not a BB fan. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 22, 2017, 06:13:20 pm
Now, there you go.  You said he should have suspended them and now you are saying some sort of punishment was handed down.  I bet some sort of punishment was handed down.  And by the way, I'm not a BB fan.
May want to read that again, I think. He said his coach handed out punishment. This has not been announced by CBB that I know of.

However he had handled punishments well so far. I wouldn't expect Whaley to get many snaps, if any.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on September 22, 2017, 11:08:18 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again, HIRE LES MILES
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on September 23, 2017, 02:00:54 am
He is too busy defending the "foundation" on hogville.
I think that maybe he has switched over to the real team in the state!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 23, 2017, 08:04:00 am
How does anyone know that punishment wasn't handed down? He may have handled it in house and run their tails off. Sheeesh people, lighten up. It was a fight, things get heated at times. It's a contact sport. :P
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 08:13:26 am
How does anyone know that punishment wasn't handed down? He may have handled it in house and run their tails off. Sheeesh people, lighten up. It was a fight, things get heated at times. It's a contact sport. :P
He hasn't run them off. He said Whaley would play. Plus you aren't going to run off a 5* running back over one altercation. As I said I would expect Whaley to have his snaps reduced today. If he starts then there has been no serious punishment handed out.

As for Martin I've heard rumors he has been a problem since he has been on campus. Just rumors. If these are true along with this he could be sent packing but who knows at this point.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 23, 2017, 08:57:15 am
He hasn't run them off. He said Whaley would play. Plus you aren't going to run off a 5* running back over one altercation. As I said I would expect Whaley to have his snaps reduced today. If he starts then there has been no serious punishment handed out.

As for Martin I've heard rumors he has been a problem since he has been on campus. Just rumors. If these are true along with this he could be sent packing but who knows at this point.
lol, I meant run their tails off as in actually running wind sprints! You know conditioning?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 23, 2017, 09:25:31 am
This is a game the Hogs win. Based on how the offense performed last game a win shouldn't be expected. But who expected them to shut down Florida last year and dominate a good Gator defense? This is a win. I'm no sunshine pumper. It's just what I think happens.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 10:16:27 am
lol, I meant run their tails off as in actually running wind sprints! You know conditioning?
I think a short statement saying it's been handled would suffice then. One would think anyways
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on September 23, 2017, 11:11:47 am
Why the Razorbacks uniforms look like Ohio State?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 23, 2017, 11:21:14 am
Why the Razorbacks uniforms look like Ohio State?

'cause Jerry says so.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 23, 2017, 11:28:56 am
https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/events/26274/box_score
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 12:08:30 pm
21-7.... If we pull this out do not be shocked if Sumlin is fired tonight or tomorrow. I am being dead serious too.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 23, 2017, 12:14:37 pm
Canít allow those big plays
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 12:18:19 pm
Canít allow those big plays

That was massive him being called out of bounds when he was blatantly not..... All A&M can do is get big plays. They can not move the ball in prolonged drives taking a lot of plays to score and I knew they wouldn't punch it in after that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 23, 2017, 12:20:28 pm
21-7.... If we pull this out do not be shocked if Sumlin is fired tonight or tomorrow. I am being dead serious too.

Ive Been calling this the uHaul bowl
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 12:25:44 pm
Ive Been calling this the uHaul bowl

That's funny..... Honestly what Enos has done with Hayden getting direct snaps and Kelly too getting short yardage plays I think it will help us score enough TD's in the red zone to wins game like South Carolina, Ole Miss, and Missouri too. It won't help when we play those top defenses like LSU, Auburn, and Alabama but I could see it being enough to get to 7 wins now from what we are seeing. With the buyout 6 or 7 and he stays in Fayetteville. Sumlin is gonzo.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 01:12:12 pm
Cornelius carted off  ??? ..... He is one of the guys I actually admire on this team the effort he brings on a weekly basis. That sucks if it is long term.... Like more than a couple week injury.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 23, 2017, 01:22:38 pm
Other teams make adjustments and we donít
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 01:24:04 pm
Other teams make adjustments and we donít

A&M is finally getting our D spread enough that they can run up the middle off of that...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on September 23, 2017, 01:28:13 pm
Other teams make adjustments and we donít
Bert's been famous at that since Day 1. Unacceptable at this level.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 01:56:03 pm
We literally are incapable of passing when it is an obvious passing down....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:04:29 pm
Big plays killing us as usual against A&M
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:15:10 pm
Abosolutely must get a stop here
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:16:04 pm
Hopefully that last TD pass was just the thing for AA to get going
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:16:59 pm
Abosolutely must get a stop here

Wow, just wow.... kick return TD for Kirk. That guy is killing us.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:18:01 pm
Uh that's not a stop
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:18:49 pm
Uh that's not a stop

I can't believe we even just kicked straight to him. He has blazing speed.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:26:55 pm
I can't believe we even just kicked straight to him. He has blazing speed.
yeah he's fast
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:27:38 pm
When you have a pocket to pass out of look what happens
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 23, 2017, 02:30:29 pm
I don't know who's going to win this thing, but it's been a heckuva game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:33:31 pm
I don't know who's going to win this thing, but it's been a heckuva game.

Whether we win or lose I am not going to dog the team.... It could be cause A&M isn't good, but we have played respectable today.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:35:04 pm
Absolutely horrible clock management by A&M..... The commentator was correct. A&M should have spiked it on first down. Sumlin is so pathetic he was playing not to lose.... instead of playing to win. He is something else. I don't care if you have a freshman QB. You got to let him throw once or twice to win.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:37:31 pm
Looking like OT. And that's why Sumlin is on the hot seat as well
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:40:28 pm
Entertaining game at least
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 23, 2017, 02:40:48 pm
Dang.
I told a buddy today if it goes to overtime I don't feel like we can get it done.

Boy I hope I'm wrong


Well it was closer than many thought. A close defeat while still sucks is still better than a blowout.


Mistakes and goofs on both sides of the ball by both teams.
The coach that wins will secure his job for a while longer while the losing coach better work hard to turn the season around.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:42:28 pm
Dang.
I told a buddy today if it goes to overtime I don't feel like we can get it done.

Boy I hope I'm wrong


Well it was closer than many thought. A close defeat while still sucks is still better than a blowout.


Mistakes and goofs on both sides of the ball by both teams.
The coach that wins will secure his job for a while longer while the losing coach better work hard to turn the season around.

Let's see if this 2nd kicker comes in to play...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:42:43 pm
An A&M turnover would be great
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:45:29 pm
What a chippy call man
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:45:37 pm
How dumb can that corner be to run with his hand inside the shoulder pads of the WR the whole play? I know that was nit picky, but if you are that blatantly stupid to make it that obvious he deserved it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 23, 2017, 02:45:48 pm
That whistle on the not-out-of-bounds play ended up being huge.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:46:33 pm
That whistle on the not-out-of-bounds played ended up being huge.

We would have already lost...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:51:46 pm
That wasn't close to open
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:57:02 pm
South Carolina in 2 weeks will determine if it's even possible to make it to a bowl game at 6-6 and we would have to beat Ole Miss and Mizzou after that.... And people might laugh at me, but we better not have a hangover against New Mexico State next week. They can put up points and are 1-2 with their 2 losses being by 3 and 6 points to Arizona State and Troy who went 10-3 last year. I am not saying we will lose, but they better not have an OT loss hangover. New Mexico State is just good enough to punish us.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:57:15 pm
How dumb can that corner be to run with his hand inside the shoulder pads of the WR the whole play? I know that was nit picky, but if you are that blatantly stupid to make it that obvious he deserved it.
Yeah I know but I'm a Hog fan. Just seems to happen every darn time
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 02:58:58 pm
South Carolina in 2 weeks will determine if it's even possible to make it to a bowl game at 6-6 and we would have to beat Ole Miss and Mizzou after that.... And people might laugh at me, but we better not have a hangover against New Mexico State next week. They can put up points and are 1-2 with their 2 losses being by 3 and 6 points to Arizona State and Troy who went 10-3 last year. I am not saying we will lose, but they better not have an OT loss hangover. New Mexico State is just good enough to punish us.
We have no gimmes the rest of the way.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 02:59:17 pm
Yeah I know but I'm a Hog fan. Just seems to happen every darn time

Definitely just a true freshman mistake. He should have did that to get a feel for the WR and get body to body on him, but should have let go after that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 03:00:01 pm
We have no gimmes the rest of the way.

I think that New Mexico State is actually slighter better than Coastal Carolina and Missouri as crazy as that sounds.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on September 23, 2017, 03:05:30 pm
At least Bobby Petrino could beat Texas A&M.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 03:08:23 pm
At least Bobby Petrino could beat Texas A&M.

Sumlin is 5-0 against BB and Sumlin will be gone after the season and BB will still be here cause of Jeff Long's stupidity..... It's truly amazing to think about how unlucky Sumlin is and how lucky BB is.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 03:08:43 pm
I think that New Mexico State is actually slighter better than Coastal Carolina and Missouri as crazy as that sounds.
The way we have played against Missouri I wouldn't consider it a gimme. Coastal Carolina sure. Unfortunately could be looking at a 3 win season.

Did see a little improvement but is that because of who we were playing or because we improved slightly. I'm on the fence about it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on September 23, 2017, 03:20:21 pm
Bret Bielema's buyout is $15.4 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 03:24:29 pm
Bret Bielema's buyout is $15.4 million.

That is straight robbery... Most coach friendly contract in the US for someone who hasn't won anything.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 23, 2017, 03:32:48 pm
The way we have played against Missouri I wouldn't consider it a gimme. Coastal Carolina sure. Unfortunately could be looking at a 3 win season.

Did see a little improvement but is that because of who we were playing or because we improved slightly. I'm on the fence about it
there was improvement. Coaches tried to mix it up (Kelly diesel package) and the players played harder. Allen throwing into triple coverage is not on the coaches. That said. I was wrong about today. Time for him to go.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 03:40:22 pm
there was improvement. Coaches tried to mix it up (Kelly diesel package) and the players played harder. Allen throwing into triple coverage is not on the coaches. That said. I was wrong about today. Time for him to go.
To me to even put him in the position to make that throw at the time is a mistake. My opinion is you play for the first down there and get 4 more tries. But yes AA has to make a better decision there. Unfortunate that the TE didn't get his foot down a few plays before.

If we had scored I was all for going for two.

But I think it's time for CB to hit the road. We could do just as good with on up and comer. Gonna be a long year.

Updated prediction for me is 4-8. We are already losing commitments off our 42nd ranked recruiting class
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 23, 2017, 04:06:54 pm
The refs got another thing wrong. On the PF/targeting they basically picked up the flag. In the OSU/TCU game they just had the happen. They called off the targeting foul but said PF must be enforced
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 23, 2017, 04:27:36 pm
https://www.facebook.com/KARK4/photos/a.10151695477614113.1073741844.62408869112/10155970964964113/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 04:46:46 pm
To me to even put him in the position to make that throw at the time is a mistake. My opinion is you play for the first down there and get 4 more tries. But yes AA has to make a better decision there. Unfortunate that the TE didn't get his foot down a few plays before.

If we had scored I was all for going for two.

But I think it's time for CB to hit the road. We could do just as good with on up and comer. Gonna be a long year.

Updated prediction for me is 4-8. We are already losing commitments off our 42nd ranked recruiting class

I can't believe I am predicting this, but I still think we get to 5-7.... With so many bowl games we have such a good APR that we will make a bowl game if we get to 5-7 and then play a MAC school or Sun Belt school in a bowl game. I'd rather go 4-8 then be embarrassed to play in a bowl game against Kent State.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 23, 2017, 05:04:52 pm
Bert's been famous at that since Day 1. Unacceptable at this level.

Heck that's not acceptable in junior high....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on September 23, 2017, 06:32:07 pm
Bret Bielema's buyout is $15.4 million.

I will throw in the first 10 dollars!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on September 23, 2017, 07:12:38 pm
Sad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on September 23, 2017, 09:01:56 pm
I will throw in the first 10 dollars!!
not me, I'm sick that he has received too many of my tax dollars as it is. Yes, I know the you satin pays a lot of his salary. He is a state employee though and has reviewed our tax dollars in some amount
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 23, 2017, 09:17:27 pm
not me, I'm sick that he has received too many of my tax dollars as it is. Yes, I know the you satin pays a lot of his salary. He is a state employee though and has reviewed our tax dollars in some amount



That is actually sad to think about and that his buyout would be more than we all will make in our entire lives unless there are some lucky few on here making 250K per year for their entire life.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 24, 2017, 04:10:33 pm
Does anyone know how much university tax dollars go to Bielema's salary.  I was told he was paid totally with athletic funds and or money from the Razorback Foundation?  Is this legit?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on September 24, 2017, 04:54:49 pm
Only thing worse for a fan base than a great coach leaving early is a poor one staying too long.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 24, 2017, 04:59:55 pm
Only thing worse for a fan base than a great coach leaving early is a poor one staying too long.

Bingo.... The longer he stays the worse it sets our program back.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 24, 2017, 05:01:28 pm
Does anyone know how much university tax dollars go to Bielema's salary.  I was told he was paid totally with athletic funds and or money from the Razorback Foundation?  Is this legit?

Then let him go.... Let the one percenter's money pay for his buyout then. I am sure at least 75% of that money comes from the Walton's, Lindsey's, and some from Jerry Jones money anyway. They could give that much money away and not remember in 3 days. Lindsey Management should be considered a Ponzi scheme how unfairly they run their housing properties and apartments also so I think it's fair we get some of that money back lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 24, 2017, 06:11:26 pm
WEW!! I guess you don't like Lindsey. 
Anyway, I'm of the opinion that we make a huge mistake in giving him a raise and a contract extension for a 6-6 season and a bowl game.  He has not been very good, look at our SEC record.  Maybe he should recruit better, coach better, hire better assistants and not worry about telling folks how to cook. 
He makes too much for too little.  4.25 million a year is what he is averaging, for?   We need a great recruiter who can evaluate and get great players to sign with UA.  One who can get great assistants who will hang around and can get us out of the top of the bottom of the back.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 24, 2017, 06:38:26 pm
I lived in a Lindsey apartment and had no problems
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 24, 2017, 06:41:55 pm
At the time of the extension we were showing improvement. However the buyout that came with that is ridiculous for what we are getting. Just about every coach in the SEC is making the money we are paying. We have to pay that if we are going to get a good coach. Unfortunately we aren't getting the ROI for that pay.

I'd be interested to know the finances of how it would work if we bought him out. As in what we would actually be able to pay our next coach, if it happens. How long are we on the hook for the buyout and so on.

How much we can afford would lend in to the type of coach that we would have to hire
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 24, 2017, 06:47:05 pm
Bring on Mike Leach.... He is 56 years old. I think if he was 2 or 3 years older that may scare away some people. He easily has 11 or 12 years left in him how quirky that dude is. If he can win in Pullman, WA then he can win in Fayetteville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 24, 2017, 07:08:34 pm
Leach would be ok with me but I'm sure there are a number of quality coaches that would come to UA if they pay what they pay we pay BB.  We need a complete overhaul in coaches and philosophy.  Reach outside the state for more top talent.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 24, 2017, 08:57:20 pm
Leach overall, at WSU, looks mediocre at 33-34 overall. However over the past two year and the start of this one 9-4, 8-5 and 4-0. I think that qualifies as building a program. Pretty WSU hadn't won very much until he got there. CBB making 1.25 mil more than him.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on September 25, 2017, 08:57:29 am
PJ Fleck?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 25, 2017, 06:06:02 pm
Leach overall, at WSU, looks mediocre at 33-34 overall. However over the past two year and the start of this one 9-4, 8-5 and 4-0. I think that qualifies as building a program. Pretty WSU hadn't won very much until he got there. CBB making 1.25 mil more than him.

And I don't think we'd hear much about how boring his offense is....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 25, 2017, 06:23:40 pm
Mike Leach pls
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 25, 2017, 08:28:53 pm
What about the Memphis coach?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on September 25, 2017, 08:32:57 pm
What has Bert ever done to deserve an SEC job?  He went to what, 3 rose bowls with someone else's players?  Lost all three. Never got back to a rosebowl with his own recruits.....Lost almost every close game we've had here at UA.....Never makes positive half time adjustments......Can't hold on to any lead.....Walk ons starting on the line means one thing, you're a lousy judge of talent......Time to move on and wear a 5x sweat shirt with some other mascot on it!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on September 25, 2017, 10:12:40 pm
What about the Memphis coach?

Everywhere he has been they have had good offenses...after this year or next he will land at a power 5 school HC
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on September 26, 2017, 12:38:47 am
There are lots of good cosches out there. PJ Fleck would probably be my first choice. But i personally wouldnt be opposed to finding a top level coach from the juco or D2 level. I mean a multi national champ coach from those levels. The way i see it is of they can dominate at that level they should be able to do a good job at the next. It would seem they are getting the best talent possible and developing it if they are winnin titles.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 26, 2017, 07:02:07 am
I've never really believed the excuse that you can't recruit Fayetteville, but, if it's true maybe they need to hire Kevin Kelly. His system is built to overcome those types of odds. Plus, you could probably pay him $1 million a year and make the rest of his salary performance-based and he would take it! He could always get a high school job again if you wanted to and if it didn't work out you could just let him go. He can't hurt the program any worse than Bert has
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 26, 2017, 08:22:58 am
I've never really believed the excuse that you can't recruit Fayetteville, but, if it's true maybe they need to hire Kevin Kelly. His system is built to overcome those types of odds. Plus, you could probably pay him $1 million a year and make the rest of his salary performance-based and he would take it! He could always get a high school job again if you wanted to and if it didn't work out you could just let him go. He can't hurt the program any worse than Bert has
I would like to see this for many reasons.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 26, 2017, 01:52:57 pm
Mike Norvell at Memphis would be excellent, younger guy, runs a good program, keeps order and is a heck of a coach and a little bit of a risk taker.  Very good guy.
I think recruiting is a problem and we have to get better talent.  I've got nothing against home grown but only if its the best we can get and right now we need to be getting better.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 27, 2017, 12:35:17 pm
It really looks like we need a change.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on September 27, 2017, 06:04:33 pm
I would like to see this for many reasons.
Which are?     

Arkansas needs a special teams coach, that's evident to all.  I don't know the solution but my opinion is leaning more towards that Coach B simply can't get it done.   He has already been thru 2 Defensive Coordinators...idk....but hoping they win this week by a lot.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 27, 2017, 07:23:34 pm
Sat  2017-09-30
New Mexico St
87 %
   41   24
   


Sat  2017-10-07
at   South Carolina
50 %
   27   28   


Sat  2017-10-14
at   Alabama
2 %
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Sat  2017-10-21
Auburn
26 %
   21   30   


Sat  2017-10-28
at   Mississippi
41 %
   34   37   


Sat  2017-11-04
Coastal Car
93 %
   42   20   



Sat  2017-11-11
at   LSU
20 %
   21   33   


Sat  2017-11-18
Mississippi St
38 %
   30   34   


Fri  2017-11-24
Missouri
80 %
   42   30   


https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 27, 2017, 07:39:27 pm
The tide is turning against BB.  He really needs to right the ship or abandon it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on September 27, 2017, 08:28:04 pm
ďArkansas needs a special teams coachĒ

Really? Is that the conclusion youíve reached this season?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on September 27, 2017, 08:30:33 pm
They need a new Head Coach. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on September 28, 2017, 10:30:14 am
For sure need a change and a big one.  If not a new head coach then something else very major.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on September 28, 2017, 04:30:54 pm
ďArkansas needs a special teams coachĒ

Really? Is that the conclusion youíve reached this season?
I mean, the special teams has been pretty bad this year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 29, 2017, 08:47:16 am
Which are?     

Arkansas needs a special teams coach, that's evident to all.  I don't know the solution but my opinion is leaning more towards that Coach B simply can't get it done.   He has already been thru 2 Defensive Coordinators...idk....but hoping they win this week by a lot.
Would his scheme work in college? I don't think it would which would make me happy!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 30, 2017, 12:14:07 am
So score predictions or any other predictions for this game??

I'm picking the hogs to get a win. Won't be a huge celebrated powerhouse victory but a win nonetheless can do wonders for the morale of the team. And the good lord knows we could use some morale boosting. New Mexico State won't be a pushover by any means. But after two ballbusting losses and a week of improving, I think Beliema and company will have us ready to play and get the win.

I'm seeing along the lines of maybe 38-17 or 42-21. If we can give Allen time to throw, I would love to see him get 200 passing yards and a few scores to give him something to be proud of and give him some more confidence going into the season. Wanna see some great runs from our RBs. Hard quick runs. No dancing. WRs will need to step up so Allen can have them yards of course. Catch the catchable balls. Run routes smoothly.
Defense same as every week. Wrap up your man. Use your arms. You might not get him down but you'll definitely slow him down til help arrives. So tired of seeing all these opponents WRs and RBs bouncing off all our guys on a huge run cause everybodys gotta try to lay some big shoulder hit.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 30, 2017, 07:49:26 am
Big week for the hogs!

Hogs 52
NMST 3
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on September 30, 2017, 10:47:37 am
I predict CBB will dress a little nicer this game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 30, 2017, 11:08:09 am
We play like this, we can play with the Tide!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 30, 2017, 11:16:34 am
Very strong start for sure!
Keep it up Hogs!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 30, 2017, 11:57:41 am
We play like this, we can play with the Tide!
Very optimistic
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 30, 2017, 12:25:25 pm
this should be an easy, easy, easy win
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on September 30, 2017, 01:21:19 pm
Comparing NMS to Alabama shows how out of touch with reality you are high voltage
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 30, 2017, 01:43:35 pm
I see why the end zone addition costs so much. 10 workers in there on OT sitting in chairs watching the game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on September 30, 2017, 03:42:59 pm
42-24 final

Pretty close to my predictions
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 30, 2017, 10:05:43 pm
Big, Big win for Coach B.!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Proud Buckaroo on September 30, 2017, 10:32:15 pm
LSU now becomes a winnable game...


If we beat SC...

I say... we beat SC, LSU, Ole miss and Mizzou.

Winnable SEC game: Miss State.

Loses: auburn and Bama.

Worst case scenario: 3-6 in SEC play.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on September 30, 2017, 11:04:10 pm
LSU now becomes a winnable game...


If we beat SC...

I say... we beat SC, LSU, Ole miss and Mizzou.

Winnable SEC game: Miss State.

Loses: auburn and Bama.

Worst case scenario: 3-6 in SEC play.
They are all winnable.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on September 30, 2017, 11:11:30 pm
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/914335247378116609
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 01, 2017, 06:24:05 am
Big, Big win for Coach B.!
It's never a "big win" when you beat your token cupcake on the schedule. And if you think it was, then our program really is in bad shape!......."Big win", give me a break.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 01, 2017, 10:58:03 am
We aren't beating Bama or Auburn.

I'll admit after the way some of the other teams have performed that we have some winnable games.

They would be even more winnable if we would quit letting the other teams QB sit back and just pick us apart.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 01, 2017, 11:02:57 am
It's never a "big win" when you beat your token cupcake on the schedule. And if you think it was, then our program really is in bad shape!......."Big win", give me a break.
No matter how you slice it we won. Every win is big. USC will be big but when we beat the Tide, everyone's head will turn!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 01, 2017, 12:21:26 pm
Bless your poor misguided little heart. Reality well set back in when we play another sec opponent
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 01, 2017, 12:28:34 pm
It's never a "big win" when you beat your token cupcake on the schedule. And if you think it was, then our program really is in bad shape!......."Big win", give me a break.

You fail to understand!  It was a BIG WIN for BB and this team! 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 01, 2017, 12:30:00 pm
No matter how you slice it we won. Every win is big. USC will be big but when we beat the Tide, everyone's head will turn!

You my friend are disillusioned.  I don't see us beating either of those teams and Bama will destroy us.   
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on October 01, 2017, 03:44:03 pm
Comparing NMS to Alabama shows how out of touch with reality you are high voltage
way out of touch
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 01, 2017, 06:29:47 pm
No matter how you slice it we won. Every win is big. USC will be big but when we beat the Tide, everyone's head will turn!

Did you really just predict a win over Alabama?



Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 01, 2017, 08:38:26 pm
Did you really just predict a win over Alabama?
Its a troll.  Most of us might consider scoring a TD on them a victory. Their first two SEC games they have outscored their opponents 125-3 and only given up something like 300 total yards.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 02, 2017, 01:30:28 pm
Its a troll.  Most of us might consider scoring a TD on them a victory. Their first two SEC games they have outscored their opponents 125-3 and only given up something like 300 total yards.
Nope, FAITH, we will beat USC then beat the Tide is a huge upset!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 02, 2017, 01:36:56 pm
The only person upset will be you when we go Ofer in sec play
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 02, 2017, 05:18:39 pm
The only person upset will be you when we go Ofer in sec play

I don't know if we will go 0-8 in SEC play.... I think 4-4 is more likely than 0-8 because this is the worst we have seen the middle and bottom of the SEC in decades. South Carolina, Ole Miss, LSU, and even Miss State seems like it could be possible to win. Tough, but possible.... Then if we can't beat Mizzou that is horrible. That might just be the worst defense in SEC history. BB better thank the league softness for a potential bowl game appearance. That 5 to 10 year ago span this Hog team would have went 3-9 for sure and 0-8 in SEC. BB should be fired simply for not winning 7 or 8 games in his 5th year in this pathetic version of the SEC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 02, 2017, 07:30:53 pm
Part of the reason he can't win in the SEC is he hasn't built a team capable of doing it over his going on 5 years here.  Is it coaching, is it talent level, is it scheme?  Yes! all of the above.  It doesn't look like its changing. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 03, 2017, 06:29:49 am
Nope, FAITH, we will beat USC then beat the Tide is a huge upset!
It would be the biggest upset in the past decade of college football. Hope your faith includes a lot of prayer. Cause we will need it.

SC is winnable
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on October 03, 2017, 08:10:13 am
It would be the biggest upset in the past decade of college football. Hope your faith includes a lot of prayer. Cause we will need it.

SC is winnable

This is what is so frustrating. With the exception of Bama and probably Auburn, our whole schedule is winnable. It is very very possible we could be sitting at 4-0 right now. Every single preseason we look at the schedule and are like yea I can see 8 wins here. We just don't.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 03, 2017, 09:51:33 am
We will see how many band wagon jumpers we have after we Roll the Tide! ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 10:15:28 am
We will see how many band wagon jumpers we have after we Roll the Tide! ;)

I think a more realistic expectation going into the Alabama game is celebrating as long as our quarterback comes out of the game healthy..... That's a win in my book.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 03, 2017, 10:17:26 am
I think it's time for an intervention. You're definitely on something
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 03, 2017, 10:24:11 am
Alabama is going to Roll us like Thunder.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 03, 2017, 10:50:20 am
Faith is a great thing.  Doesn't God help those who help themselves?   Thinking we have winnable games and actually putting in place an organization to get that done are two different things.  I don't think UA is the easiest place to recruit and for sure we don't have the type talent you see with some of our opponents.  However, there is something more missing, if I knew exactly what it was I'd bottle the cure and sell it, but I'm tired of loosing games we ought to be winning, tired of hearing players say we have a great team and great players and then play terribly.  Is it laziness, is it poor coaching, is it lack of mental discipline?   It's something or its all those things.  We need a drastic fix.  New coach and staff or a strong wake up call to those folks and the players that if theycannot fix it there will be lots of changes.  I saw where Austin Allen made the comment that the team just listens to the coaches, (good thing they listen) but they don't pay attention to what the fans are saying.  That's not good given the fact that the team is not playing well and loosing the fan base will be terrible for the program.  You might better listen to the opinion of the fans and get busy impressing us.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 03, 2017, 11:13:49 am
Actually while the Tide has better players our coaching staff as a whole is better.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 03, 2017, 11:45:01 am
Now we know you are off your rocker lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 03, 2017, 11:53:20 am
I literally LOL'd at that.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 03, 2017, 11:58:48 am
Bless your heart. I'm pretty sure you are either jeff long or bert bulimia now
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 03, 2017, 12:01:36 pm
This is what is so frustrating. With the exception of Bama and probably Auburn, our whole schedule is winnable. It is very very possible we could be sitting at 4-0 right now. Every single preseason we look at the schedule and are like yea I can see 8 wins here. We just don't.
Well my expectations were 2-2 at this point especially after our first game. It should have been clearly evident even in victory that there were still the same issues lingering from the end of last season. TCU did everything it could to give us that game. A&M is not very good or at least not consistently good for the talent they have and once again we fail to step on their throats and put them away early.

Were there some improvements? Sure. But are they the kind that are going to lead to victories. The SEC is bad this year outside of 3 teams. The real frustration is that we look just as bad as the rest.

My personal frustration is not that we have lost games. Losses happen. But it's just the way we have looked while doing it. Giving up yards and points in historically bad fashion a lot of times and just finding ways to choke away games. This should not be the image and progress in year 5 of building a program
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 12:08:32 pm
Faith is a great thing.  Doesn't God help those who help themselves?   Thinking we have winnable games and actually putting in place an organization to get that done are two different things.  I don't think UA is the easiest place to recruit and for sure we don't have the type talent you see with some of our opponents.  However, there is something more missing, if I knew exactly what it was I'd bottle the cure and sell it, but I'm tired of loosing games we ought to be winning, tired of hearing players say we have a great team and great players and then play terribly.  Is it laziness, is it poor coaching, is it lack of mental discipline?   It's something or its all those things.  We need a drastic fix.  New coach and staff or a strong wake up call to those folks and the players that if theycannot fix it there will be lots of changes.  I saw where Austin Allen made the comment that the team just listens to the coaches, (good thing they listen) but they don't pay attention to what the fans are saying.  That's not good given the fact that the team is not playing well and loosing the fan base will be terrible for the program.  You might better listen to the opinion of the fans and get busy impressing us.

I see what you're saying but if Houston Nutt and Petrino can win ball games here, then Bert should be able to also.....Bert is a bad recruiter and horrible coach. He is though, one great con artist!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 12:33:38 pm
Anybody got Chip Kelleys cell number?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 03, 2017, 12:43:26 pm
Statewide division makes me laugh.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 03, 2017, 12:43:46 pm
LOL!     
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on October 03, 2017, 12:50:11 pm
Faith is a great thing.  Doesn't God help those who help themselves?   Thinking we have winnable games and actually putting in place an organization to get that done are two different things.  I don't think UA is the easiest place to recruit and for sure we don't have the type talent you see with some of our opponents.  However, there is something more missing, if I knew exactly what it was I'd bottle the cure and sell it, but I'm tired of loosing games we ought to be winning, tired of hearing players say we have a great team and great players and then play terribly.  Is it laziness, is it poor coaching, is it lack of mental discipline?   It's something or its all those things.  We need a drastic fix.  New coach and staff or a strong wake up call to those folks and the players that if theycannot fix it there will be lots of changes.  I saw where Austin Allen made the comment that the team just listens to the coaches, (good thing they listen) but they don't pay attention to what the fans are saying.  That's not good given the fact that the team is not playing well and loosing the fan base will be terrible for the program.  You might better listen to the opinion of the fans and get busy impressing us.
it's fake news. They are told they are great so they buy it. Great compared to what? How many seasons have started with this coaching staff selling  the fans that the defense is much improved. The Oline is going to be a strength. Player ______ is all American caliber. There is a talent disparity that these coaches can't overcome. Some coaches down through time have been able to coach the Razorback players up and overachieve, this staff has not been able to do so. In leui of that they sell hog nation the emperors new clothes. Expecting all to buy in until it is just painfully obvious that it is not what is was said it would be. Bielema wil always be this way.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 03, 2017, 01:00:35 pm
I see what you're saying but if Houston Nutt and Petrino can win ball games here, then Bert should be able to also.....Bert is a bad recruiter and horrible coach. He is though, one great con artist!

Pretty much my point! 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on October 03, 2017, 01:11:06 pm
Anybody got Chip Kelleys cell number?

Why would he come to Arkansas? Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 03, 2017, 02:27:27 pm
Why would he come to Arkansas? Lol
He will be at Tenner or A&M. Tenner is on a bye week then they play SC and Bama. If they lose to SC he could be gone then. Even with a win against SC with the beat Bama will probably give he could be gone then. Jones is a dead man walking after the UGA game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 02:33:37 pm
He will be at Tenner or A&M. Tenner is on a bye week then they play SC and Bama. If they lose to SC he could be gone then. Even with a win against SC with the beat Bama will probably give he could be gone then. Jones is a dead man walking after the UGA game.

Butch Jones is definitely gone.... I could see Chip Kelley or Mike Leach going there. And the other one going to A&M. Kelley to Tennessee and Leach to A&M imo.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 02:54:43 pm
Who does that leave us with?  Magazine's def line coach?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 03:05:53 pm
All this does have me thinking... Who do you guys have as your top 10 coaches in college football currently? Not coaches on the market, but just in general. In no order I will say...... I am sure I am missing some other good ones, but these are the ones that came to mind.

Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, James Franklin, Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, Bobby Petrino, Mike Leach, Jim Harbaugh, Jimbo Fisher, Gary Patterson


Close but no cigar.... Mark Richt, Rocky Long, Mike Gundy, David Shaw
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 03:11:09 pm
Who does that leave us with?  Magazine's def line coach?

I think we could get Gundy to leave Oklahoma State and move a little to the east.... We would probably have to pay him 5 million a year to do so though. That is probably a little too much for us to pony up and he will make 3.5 million at OK State so he will need quite a bit more than that to be persuaded away.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 03:58:14 pm
All this does have me thinking... Who do you guys have as your top 10 coaches in college football currently? Not coaches on the market, but just in general. In no order I will say...... I am sure I am missing some other good ones, but these are the ones that came to mind.

Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, James Franklin, Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, Bobby Petrino, Mike Leach, Jim Harbaugh, Jimbo Fisher, Gary Patterson

Mark Richt, Kirby Smart
Close but no cigar.... Mark Richt, Rocky Long, Mike Gundy, David Shaw
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: LRRandy on October 03, 2017, 05:18:09 pm
All this does have me thinking... Who do you guys have as your top 10 coaches in college football currently? Not coaches on the market, but just in general. In no order I will say...... I am sure I am missing some other good ones, but these are the ones that came to mind.

Nick Saban, Chris Peterson, James Franklin, Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, Bobby Petrino, Mike Leach, Jim Harbaugh, Jimbo Fisher, Gary Patterson


Close but no cigar.... Mark Richt, Rocky Long, Mike Gundy, David Shaw
your list is pretty solid. Among the best not on the list is Paul Chryst. What he is doing at Wisconsin is impressive. He is on his third defensive coordinator in three years and is winning 10-11 games a year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 05:29:54 pm
your list is pretty solid. Among the best not on the list is Paul Chryst. What he is doing at Wisconsin is impressive. He is on his third defensive coordinator in three years and is winning 10-11 games a year.

I like him, I also like his personality too.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 03, 2017, 05:52:19 pm
Reality check fellers, $15.5 million buyout. Coach Brett is not going anywhere so buckle up yo chin straps and get used to it. Get on the bandwagon or get off. Coach Brett is here and we need to support him. We WILL beat USC and we will beat Alabama. End of story.

Any takers on some friendly wagers?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 06:11:50 pm
Reality check fellers, $15.5 million buyout. Coach Brett is not going anywhere so buckle up yo chin straps and get used to it. Get on the bandwagon or get off. Coach Brett is here and we need to support him. We WILL beat USC and we will beat Alabama. End of story.

Any takers on some friendly wagers?

Is this the definition of an oxymoron?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 06:27:49 pm
Reality check fellers, $15.5 million buyout. Coach Brett is not going anywhere so buckle up yo chin straps and get used to it. Get on the bandwagon or get off. Coach Brett is here and we need to support him. We WILL beat USC and we will beat Alabama. End of story.

Any takers on some friendly wagers?

So accept 7-5 as the ceiling?.... He could coach here 10 years and hit 8 or 9 wins in the regular season once maybe. So we should all get used to mediocrity is what you are saying?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 03, 2017, 06:31:22 pm
If they beat Alabama I'll never post again on FF. If the lose to Alabama you never post on FF again
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 03, 2017, 06:42:07 pm
If gambling was allowed here your darn tooting I'd bet the farm that we get smoked against Bama.


We know all about the buyout. But unless he improves this team I will want him gone. Truthfully it's a shame it's the only thing keeping him here. The writing is on the wall but unfortunately looks like we can't afford the new paint to cover it up.

Also just because he will be here does not mean that we have to like that he continues to have this team looking like a high school team week in and week out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 03, 2017, 07:43:38 pm
High school teams play better and they don't get to recruit
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 03, 2017, 07:44:30 pm
High school teams play better and they don't get to recruit

Not publicly anyway
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 07:48:33 pm
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is his false since of accomplishment!...... He talks such a big game but never backs it up.....There are high school coaches all over this nation that could out coach him all day long; several here in AR.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 03, 2017, 07:49:51 pm
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is his false since of accomplishment!...... He talks such a big game but never backs it up.....There are high school coaches all over this nation that could out coach him all day long; several here in AR.

Maybe we can get Hyatt up there so we can get a decent run game?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 08:04:49 pm
Maybe we can get Hyatt up there so we can get a decent run game?

He's busy at the moment. Besides at this point Booneville is a better job than UA. Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on October 03, 2017, 08:10:02 pm
Maybe we can get Hyatt up there so we can get a decent run game?

Hyatt wouldnít go unless he could take his offensive line with him.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 03, 2017, 08:10:30 pm
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is his false since of accomplishment!...... He talks such a big game but never backs it up.....There are high school coaches all over this nation that could out coach him all day long; several here in AR.

This is exactly why he rubs me the wrong way... That along with the talking crap the first 3 years to our competition and not backing it up. He has a frat boy personality that followed him into adulthood. I'd say about 90% of the time when a coach fails I feel bad for them and hope them success at their next stop. I could care less about the guy and if he succeeds at his next stop..... good riddance in my book. Any other coach currently at the U of A if they were fired I would wish them the best at their next stop.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on October 03, 2017, 08:12:43 pm
Why would he come to Arkansas? Lol

Why not!! Itís a great job for retirement security. Have a 500 season and Jeff will give a 15 million dollar plus buyout. Doesnít matter after that what you do.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 03, 2017, 08:36:21 pm
Hyatt wouldnít go unless he could take his offensive line with him.

Ha. True.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 05, 2017, 08:01:57 am
So accept 7-5 as the ceiling?.... He could coach here 10 years and hit 8 or 9 wins in the regular season once maybe. So we should all get used to mediocrity is what you are saying?
No sir what I am saying is, he will be here next year. All of your griping and complaining is doing no good. As much as you may think of yourself I highly doubt that Jeff Long is reading this and taking it to heart. So, with that said let's just support Coach B. and his players!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 05, 2017, 08:17:12 am
^^He isn't reading this site, but I promise you he's hearing about it from all over the state via different ways....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 05, 2017, 08:26:59 am
If you continue to support lackluster performances, they will never make a change
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 05, 2017, 11:25:30 am
If you continue to support lackluster performances, they will never make a change
My suggestion to everyone on here is to write a letter to the AD's office or possibly the newspapers and TV stations. But when you write please give them a plan for paying the $15.5 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 05, 2017, 11:41:28 am
That's why long needs to hit the road too. It shouldn't be that high and for him to agree to it was one of the poorest business decisions I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: football nut on October 05, 2017, 03:51:51 pm
My suggestion to everyone on here is to write a letter to the AD's office or possibly the newspapers and TV stations. But when you write please give them a plan for paying the $15.5 million.

We need to stop with all the stupid post about how to deal with the buyout or who are we going to get if we fire Bert. That is Jeff Long's job. If the average fan has to answer those questions why do we need that guy as AD??
For the moronically challenged: Arkansas athletics has revenue of approximately 115 million a year. Extend the buyout over 5 years (its really only about 12 million) and its about 2.5 million a year. That is around 2% of total revenue. Probably will make up some of that number with increased interest from the fan base that will push up royalty income, donor contributions and seat revenues.
Lets quit screwing around with this dumpster fire and make some changes.     
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 05, 2017, 05:02:28 pm
My suggestion to everyone on here is to write a letter to the AD's office or possibly the newspapers and TV stations. But when you write please give them a plan for paying the $15.5 million.

Make Long pay it himself.... He is the dumbest AD in the country and should pay for his own decisions.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: football nut on October 05, 2017, 05:09:01 pm
Make Long pay it himself.... He is the dumbest AD in the country and should pay for his own decisions.

I believe he is in 2nd place. The AD at LSU has set a new standard.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 05, 2017, 05:10:47 pm
I believe he is in 2nd place. The AD at LSU has set a new standard.

They should change that guys title to principal how all the coaches got called into the office earlier in the week.... That was pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: football nut on October 05, 2017, 05:46:11 pm
They should change that guys title to principal how all the coaches got called into the office earlier in the week.... That was pretty funny.

Agreed, that probably set the wrong tone for the head coach, OC, DC and every other assistant on the team. With a 3-21 record at Ole Miss, a buyout over 10 million and still paying Les Miles the recipe for disaster is coming together.
Arkansas should have hired Terry Don Phillips instead of letting him go to Clemson years ago.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 05, 2017, 07:35:10 pm
The salary and the raise and contract extension a few years back was just dumb.  You don't give raises and extensions for the product he was producing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 06, 2017, 03:16:00 pm
We need to stop with all the stupid post about how to deal with the buyout or who are we going to get if we fire Bert. That is Jeff Long's job. If the average fan has to answer those questions why do we need that guy as AD??
For the moronically challenged: Arkansas athletics has revenue of approximately 115 million a year. Extend the buyout over 5 years (its really only about 12 million) and its about 2.5 million a year. That is around 2% of total revenue. Probably will make up some of that number with increased interest from the fan base that will push up royalty income, donor contributions and seat revenues.
Lets quit screwing around with this dumpster fire and make some changes.     
Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 06, 2017, 03:16:40 pm
Make Long pay it himself.... He is the dumbest AD in the country and should pay for his own decisions.
Now this I can agree with!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 06, 2017, 04:50:35 pm
We need to stop with all the stupid post about how to deal with the buyout or who are we going to get if we fire Bert. That is Jeff Long's job. If the average fan has to answer those questions why do we need that guy as AD??
For the moronically challenged: Arkansas athletics has revenue of approximately 115 million a year. Extend the buyout over 5 years (its really only about 12 million) and its about 2.5 million a year. That is around 2% of total revenue. Probably will make up some of that number with increased interest from the fan base that will push up royalty income, donor contributions and seat revenues.
Lets quit screwing around with this dumpster fire and make some changes.   

This is the most brilliant thing written on this thread so far.... Slow clap for you.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 07, 2017, 05:40:40 pm
We are making mistakes at the rate of a bad high school team now.... This is sad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 07, 2017, 05:41:40 pm
We won't win a single SEC game this year. AA holds on to the ball so long when he gets protection that it looks like he has none. Get rid of the darn ball.

Once again second half and getting destroyed.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 07, 2017, 05:43:34 pm
What else can be said that hasn't already been said?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 07, 2017, 05:50:49 pm
Well I donít think thereís much of a reason to defend Bret anymore
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 07, 2017, 05:51:50 pm
What else can be said that hasn't already been said?

I'll take it to a whole new level.... I hope we lose to Coastal Carolina so they'll fire Bert the next day.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 07, 2017, 06:06:53 pm
I'll take it to a whole new level.... I hope we lose to Coastal Carolina so they'll fire Bert the next day.
Totally agree!  I don't think I will even watch another game!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 07, 2017, 06:14:39 pm
WP I've been trying to tell you guys for a few years now he was terrible but i was called a troll. All apologies can be put here...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 07, 2017, 06:16:03 pm
WP I've been trying to tell you guys for a few years now he was terrible but i was called a troll. All apologies can be put here...



lmbo....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 07, 2017, 06:18:03 pm
And CK needs to be the starting QB. Looked better on one drive than AA has all year. Confident and makes a quick decision. Let him play and get the experience.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 07, 2017, 06:32:56 pm
WP I've been trying to tell you guys for a few years now he was terrible but i was called a troll. All apologies can be put here...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LFVQpDKHk4
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on October 07, 2017, 07:05:27 pm
I honestly had no clue we could play this bad.
This was just literally so embarrassing it hurt.

To whichever poster said we'd beat Bama, I wonder do you still seriously believe that? I tell ya it would definitely be vintage Arkansas. Losing all these easy games then beating Bama.

I'm not even gonna watch the Bama game. They'll score 60 on us. You heard it from The Future right here right now folks.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 07, 2017, 07:13:44 pm
60 by halftime!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 07, 2017, 08:06:17 pm
👎

Pathetic. Poor kids deserve better than they are getting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 07, 2017, 08:07:47 pm
Oh, it can always get worse.  Leave Bielema as the HC and it will most likely get worse, we still have to play Bama!!!!
It's a shame, it certainly isn't about lack of money, facilities or fan support.  So, that leaves Head Coach, assistant coaches, players, gotta be something to fix?. 
There are coaches out there that would love this job, unless they think it's too big a mess by now.   

Is it more damage to remove him now or wait till season is over?  Buyout is buyout and the AD is responsible for that mistake.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 07, 2017, 08:44:59 pm
👎

Pathetic. Poor kids deserve better than they are getting.

Are you sure the poor kids are giving all they have? If they aren't then poor fans. If they are then poor recruiting.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 07, 2017, 08:57:02 pm
Is there enough talent. Yes there is to not look like a high school team. There is enough talent to be competitive. But not coached well enough to be. Bottom line.

Eventually the team takes on the personality of the coach. That's where we are at.

I believed after a couple years that CBB was gonna keep us mid to upper level of the SEC. We aren't even competitive with the bottom half.

Bama is gonna be epic  destruction. I WIlL NOT WATCH IT.

Auburn will not be nice either
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 07, 2017, 09:23:24 pm
Are you sure the poor kids are giving all they have? If they aren't then poor fans. If they are then poor recruiting.
How was it poor recruiting when all that has been said by the majority is that they are 4* recruits?   What I do know is that Coach B has been thru 2 defensive coordinators and does not make any half time adjustments.  It is evident, he does not fit here and it's not fair to him. his family, players or the fans....IMO.  It's just a sad situation.  He's nice but it's not working.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 07, 2017, 09:27:03 pm
How was it poor recruiting when all that has been said by the majority is that they are 4* recruits?   What I do know is that Coach B has been thru 2 defensive coordinators and does not make any half time adjustments.  It is evident, he does not fit here and it's not fair to him. his family, players or the fans....IMO.  It's just a sad situation.  He's nice but it's not working.

No one should care about how his feelings fit into this equation.... Most people don't get an exit package worth 15 million that would set you up financially for the rest of your life for simply being fired.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 07, 2017, 09:30:45 pm
No one should care about how his feelings fit into this equation.... Most people don't get an exit package worth 15 million that would set you up financially for the rest of your life for simply being fired.
I didn't mean it in terms of money......I meant he and his family having to continually hear and face the negativity by the press, fans and etc.  None of us should have to continue in this manner.   You are correct that it's just business and if any of us failed to do our job we would be fired....nice or not. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 07, 2017, 09:32:20 pm
How was it poor recruiting when all that has been said by the majority is that they are 4* recruits?   What I do know is that Coach B has been thru 2 defensive coordinators and does not make any half time adjustments.  It is evident, he does not fit here and it's not fair to him. his family, players or the fans....IMO.  It's just a sad situation.  He's nice but it's not working.

LOL!!!!!  Unfortunately when you are hired to build a program, win games and are paid a fortune, when you don't get it done then changes are usually made.  As for those 4 star recruits, they are not producing 4 star results.  Gotta make you wonder.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 07, 2017, 09:35:35 pm
LOL!!!!!  Unfortunately when you are hired to build a program, win games and are paid a fortune, when you don't get it done then changes are usually made.  As for those 4 star recruits, they are not producing 4 star results.  Gotta make you wonder.
It doesn't make me wonder.  He's not able to Coach the 4* recruits...or utilize them enough in order to win.  I said, in the above post that we all would be fired if we didn't our job. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 08, 2017, 12:51:48 am
Are you sure the poor kids are giving all they have? If they aren't then poor fans. If they are then poor recruiting.

Even more reason for a change. It's HC job to motivate and lead. If he can't get the most out of them how will we ever be any better? Its not year 2. It's year 5. I think we are worse now than year 1. Time fpr BB to head back to Iowa and buy some pigs. Bring on Norvell!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 08, 2017, 06:58:30 am
Typical, Classic BB!.......If he were a big buck, he'd be easy to pattern that's for sure!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 08, 2017, 09:06:33 am
Even more reason for a change. It's HC job to motivate and lead. If he can't get the most out of them how will we ever be any better? Its not year 2. It's year 5. I think we are worse now than year 1. Time fpr BB to head back to Iowa and buy some pigs. Bring on Norvell!

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/look-former-arkansas-qb-matt-jones-seen-enough-bret-bielema-era-arkansas/

http://katv.com/sports/sully-says/sully-says-have-hogs-hit-rock-bottom

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i42/xray_photos/Farks/Arkansas_Sinking.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 08, 2017, 10:14:26 am
I saw these on FB and I'm glad people who actually matter are finally catching on
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 08, 2017, 10:34:26 am
Wow, that was bad. I have been a hog fan for a long time, but that was bad. This Saturday may be really bad. I just hope Austin Allen doesn't leave on a stretcher. I really hate to say this but it may be time to ask a big donor for buyout money, because like I have said in the past he is here for at least next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 08, 2017, 04:31:25 pm
Arkansas opens as a 29 point underdog to Alabama....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on October 08, 2017, 07:57:01 pm
Just 29??

Did we gain 14 5 star recruits and did Bobby Petrino come back while i was at church this morning??
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 08, 2017, 08:23:23 pm
Yea I will take Alabama even starting -29 ...... Its going to be something like Alabama 52-7
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on October 08, 2017, 08:26:15 pm
WP I've been trying to tell you guys for a few years now he was terrible but i was called a troll. All apologies can be put here...
No apologies, but I guess that you weren't the only one that was right!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 08, 2017, 08:35:17 pm
Yea I will take Alabama even starting -29 ...... Its going to be something like Alabama 52-7
You really think we will score
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 08, 2017, 08:36:47 pm
Doesn't matter if he scores, he needs to win and keep winning.  Anything less is not enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on October 08, 2017, 08:41:32 pm
I have a feeling that here in the next 2 weeks our defense will give up in excess of 100 points and our offense will score 20 or less. :'(
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Valleysports on October 08, 2017, 09:49:48 pm
Yea I will take Alabama even starting -29 ...... Its going to be something like Alabama 52-7

A&M was -27 point underdogs to Bama.  Final score was 19-27, with A&M throwing a Red Zone interception near the end. 
You really think Bama will score 52?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 08, 2017, 10:01:35 pm
A&M was -27 point underdogs to Bama.  Final score was 19-27, with A&M throwing a Red Zone interception near the end. 
You really think Bama will score 52?

I think A&M did so well cause a few reasons.... A good scrambler QB can neutralize Alabama's stellar defense when plays break down and turn into scrambling situations. A&M has a few guys that can fly and that always helps with Bama. And you are seeing A&M may have some hope moving forward if this is the new look SEC we are living in then I could see A&M with all those young lineman and QB and other players really being solid in the SEC moving forward. We don't have any of those things except for the young players part and ours just stink.... And btw its about time we have a Valley sighting  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 09, 2017, 09:41:01 am
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-drew-morgan-bret-bielema-hot-seat

Wow!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 09, 2017, 09:43:21 am
I don't think Bama is concerned about how much it scores, just that it wins.  They are very content to eat clock, score and beat on you defensively.  Leading 24-3 in the third quarter, Bama players went into cruise control and let A&M back into a game when they should have been smelling blood in the water.  Saban is not happy and don't expect another lapse in this weeks game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 09, 2017, 09:48:57 am
Bama was looking ahead to Arkansas. CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 09, 2017, 09:50:06 am
Bama was looking ahead to Arkansas. CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22

That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.
It's going to be really ugly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on October 09, 2017, 10:42:47 am
Bama was looking ahead to Arkansas. CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen on FF
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 09, 2017, 10:54:09 am
Bama was looking ahead to Arkansas. CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22

Fantasy land has made it's way down here too?!?!   :o :-\ ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 09, 2017, 11:04:56 am
I'm not going to say Alabama will hang 50 on us because they usually do let us stay in the game. Plus, nick doesn't want bert to lose his job knowing that's a win every year with him at the helm
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 09, 2017, 11:20:15 am
I'm not going to say Alabama will hang 50 on us because they usually do let us stay in the game. Plus, nick doesn't want bert to lose his job knowing that's a win every year with him at the helm
Did you really just post this?   LOL!!! 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 09, 2017, 12:01:24 pm
Bama was looking ahead to Arkansas. CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22

I think someone slipped you a transformer and now you're running on Low Voltage 12v DC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 09, 2017, 12:01:59 pm
I'm not going to say Alabama will hang 50 on us because they usually do let us stay in the game. Plus, nick doesn't want bert to lose his job knowing that's a win every year with him at the helm

That's a good one! Job security!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 09, 2017, 04:25:15 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2737753-gary-anderson-oregon-state-agree-to-part-ways-cory-hall-named-interim-hc.amp.html

If Bert was such a standup guy like everyone says, he would do this too. But we all know he isn't
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 09, 2017, 05:40:40 pm
If we wait until January 1st we only owe him 11.7 million is what I saw.... not the 15 million and change. They will just wait until the 2nd or 3rd day in January then BB will be gone.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 09, 2017, 06:46:14 pm
If we wait until January 1st we only owe him 11.7 million is what I saw.... not the 15 million and change. They will just wait until the 2nd or 3rd day in January then BB will be gone.
Usually by then all your available coaches are gone. We can't afford another JLS.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 09, 2017, 08:25:34 pm
I remember when BB was hired at Arkansas, a friend of mine told me he would win a NC at Arkansas.  I have always thought BB was a mediocre coach and he came into the SEC running his mouth to other programs. On the other hand, I think Petrino could have at least gotten Arkansas close to a national championship.

After Bobby Petrino was fired, I heard a lot of AR fans say how Petrino didn't build the program in the right way and in a way that would bring sustained success. In reality, he built the AR program to be as strong as it has been in the past decade. Just my opinion though. I'm just an Auburn fan.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 09, 2017, 10:33:39 pm
I remember when BB was hired at Arkansas, a friend of mine told me he would win a NC at Arkansas.  I have always thought BB was a mediocre coach and he came into the SEC running his mouth to other programs. On the other hand, I think Petrino could have at least gotten Arkansas close to a national championship.

After Bobby Petrino was fired, I heard a lot of AR fans say how Petrino didn't build the program in the right way and in a way that would bring sustained success. In reality, he built the AR program to be as strong as it has been in the past decade. Just my opinion though. I'm just an Auburn fan.

Mediocre would be nice right about now. Haha.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 10, 2017, 12:51:18 pm
need a change.  And need to pick the right guy for a change.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 10, 2017, 03:07:47 pm
I hear Houston Nutt is available!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 10, 2017, 03:13:19 pm
I hear Houston Nutt is available!

That was a lot better and would sadly be better moving forward....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 10, 2017, 04:14:11 pm
https://littlerock.craigslist.org/lbg/d/wanted-head-football-coach/6337224324.html
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 10, 2017, 04:26:06 pm
https://littlerock.craigslist.org/lbg/d/wanted-head-football-coach/6337224324.html

That is funny.... People are probably blowing up that number half joking, half serious now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 10, 2017, 04:40:02 pm
The lady that answered said, "Athletics, this is Leanne, how may I help you?"
  Idk if it was actually the university's athletic department but I told her i was replying to the craigslist post and would like to apply. Crickets click!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 10, 2017, 04:45:56 pm
The lady that answered said, "Athletics, this is Leanne, how may I help you?"
  Idk if it was actually the university's athletic department but I told her i was replying to the craigslist post and would like to apply. Crickets click!!!!!

I googled the number earlier...and it says it's Jeff Long's office LoL
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 10, 2017, 04:46:19 pm
The lady that answered said, "Athletics, this is Leanne, how may I help you?"
  Idk if it was actually the university's athletic department but I told her i was replying to the craigslist post and would like to apply. Crickets click!!!!!

You have got to be kidding me right??  ;D   ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 10, 2017, 05:09:19 pm
I'm serious! Give it a try. Well it's after 5 now so wait till morning if no one answers
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 10, 2017, 07:36:23 pm
Meanwhile he continues to throw players under the bus. While some criticism is probably earned he blamed them for not developing. Wouldn't that be his job to develop these players.

I think the coach doing this to his players is detrimental to the team and could be an issue as to why things are the way they are
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 10, 2017, 08:10:05 pm
He's not the guy everyone thought he was.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 10, 2017, 08:25:07 pm
He's not the guy everyone thought he was.

He's exactly who some of us thought he was.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 10, 2017, 09:03:40 pm
Well I thought it to when he was speaking out against HUNH being dangerous to players and causing more injuries when all scientific evidence was the opposite. Plus he was play players who were injured. RP and I went back and forth for a while over it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 10, 2017, 09:14:41 pm
After the 2013 season, I remember Bo Mattingly saying that Bielema would be a more successful coach by year 4 than Gus Malzahn...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 10, 2017, 10:24:58 pm
After the 2013 season, I remember Bo Mattingly saying that Bielema would be a more successful coach by year 4 than Gus Malzahn...

Should have hired ole gus and let HDN go way back when. But i rekon hine sight is always 20 20.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 11, 2017, 07:06:35 am
Meanwhile he continues to throw players under the bus. While some criticism is probably earned he blamed them for not developing. Wouldn't that be his job to develop these players.

I think the coach doing this to his players is detrimental to the team and could be an issue as to why things are the way they are

He's definitely lost the attention of his players!

After the 2013 season, I remember Bo Mattingly saying that Bielema would be a more successful coach by year 4 than Gus Malzahn...

Bo knows nothing. Most annoying and consistently wrong voice on the radio. Package him with Long and Bert and drop em off on someone's doorstep!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2017, 08:04:24 am
After the 2013 season, I remember Bo Mattingly saying that Bielema would be a more successful coach by year 4 than Gus Malzahn...

Good thing no one cares what that pencil neck says. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 11, 2017, 12:54:01 pm
Good thing no one cares what that pencil neck says.
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lmbo......
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 11, 2017, 02:27:57 pm
He's definitely lost the attention of his players!

Bo knows nothing. Most annoying and consistently wrong voice on the radio. Package him with Long and Bert and drop em off on someone's doorstep!
Bo Mattingly wouldn't know a football if it hit him in the face.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 11, 2017, 07:04:34 pm
I love sitting here listening to the major outlets cracking jokes on us as well.

We are a laughing stock.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 11, 2017, 11:49:09 pm
They will eat crow saturday when we only lose by 35!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 12, 2017, 08:22:29 am
According to the ADG, Bielema's buyout at the end of the season will only be $5.9 million, not he $15 million that has been reported.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 12, 2017, 08:39:42 am
Interesting
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 12, 2017, 09:15:11 am
According to the ADG, Bielema's buyout at the end of the season will only be $5.9 million, not he $15 million that has been reported.

He gone...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 12, 2017, 09:17:04 am
According to the ADG, Bielema's buyout at the end of the season will only be $5.9 million, not he $15 million that has been reported.

CLICK HERE (http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/ArDemocrat/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=ArDemocrat%2F2017%2F10%2F12&entity=Ar01700&sk=C2424E0E&mode=text)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 12, 2017, 09:17:29 am
According to the ADG, Bielema's buyout at the end of the season will only be $5.9 million, not he $15 million that has been reported.




(https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/506523413_640.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 12, 2017, 09:18:07 am
With that said.

I would beg my job to fire me for 5 million.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 12, 2017, 09:46:40 am
With that said.

I would beg my job to fire me for 5 million.

By the numbers at 158K a month payments he would get those 158K a month for 3 years if the 5.9 million is accurate like the ADG is reporting.... Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 12, 2017, 10:57:36 am
Misprint or no? Just read it. Jeff Long is the only one keeping him here if the contract language is correct.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 12, 2017, 11:00:38 am
With that said.

I would beg my job to fire me for 5 million.

Isn't that what Bert's doing with his performance? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 12, 2017, 01:20:40 pm
We just need a better program and in many cases that begins at the top, AD, HC.  If its broken there you cannot fix it until you correct it at the top.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 12, 2017, 01:46:33 pm
Man, the arkansas Times has even piled on. The end is near.


https://m.arktimes.com/arkansas/the-end-is-near/Content?oid=10388492
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 13, 2017, 11:58:15 am
If Arkansas gets a new coach who would be likely candidates? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2017, 02:16:02 pm
If Arkansas gets a new coach who would be likely candidates? 

Houston Nutt
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2017, 02:23:55 pm
Houston would be better.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2017, 02:26:50 pm
Houston would be better.

Might even be competitive in a few games this season if he was here 8)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2017, 02:32:47 pm
We need a good upcoming guy with experience and a good recruiter.  Maybe we can get someone like Mike Norvell or Scott Frost.  Even an older guy like Mike Leach.  Fans would like their style of play and they are all winners.  UA can offer them a good salary that may keep them for a good while.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 13, 2017, 11:41:46 pm
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on October 14, 2017, 08:28:05 am
Ha. Good one
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 14, 2017, 08:42:19 am
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Hahahahaha.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 12:35:48 pm
A friend sent the same thing to me on Facebook along with this a little later.

An 8 year old boy is in custody court, on the witness stand. He is being taken away from his parents because they beat him all the time. The judge tells him son to get you away from those beatings I'm going to award your grandparents custody. The boy starts to cry and begs the judge not to do that because the grandparents beat him as well.
The judge sits back and thinks for a minute. He asks the boy is there anyone you can stay with that won't beat you.

The boy wipes his tears away and says. I can stay with The Arkansas Razorbacks football team. They can't beat anyone
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on October 14, 2017, 12:57:02 pm
That's another classic. So on a serious note, what're Kelly's chances of coming out of this game alive?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 01:51:14 pm
Better than Allens. Kelley will at least throw the ball away
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on October 14, 2017, 03:33:42 pm
Better than Allens. Kelley will at least throw the ball away
Makes sense, hadn't actually seen him play yet
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 14, 2017, 03:33:59 pm
Either way its gonna be ugly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: wildcat_x-mgr on October 14, 2017, 04:44:37 pm
By the numbers at 158K a month payments he would get those 158K a month for 3 years if the 5.9 million is accurate like the ADG is reporting.... Unbelievable.


Seriously, what do I have to do to be an SEC coach for a year? I bet I could even win a game or two.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 04:50:24 pm
Makes sense, hadn't actually seen him play yet
He did throw a pick 6 against SC but he did seem to go through progressions faster than AA. Whether that makes a difference in this game who knows
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 14, 2017, 07:31:32 pm
How long can our defense keep it respectable?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 14, 2017, 07:41:07 pm
Nevermind!! :-[
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 09:02:00 pm
The D has played fairly well. Just being out there to long against this team is to much
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 09:29:53 pm
Are we accepting moral victories tonight
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 14, 2017, 09:35:37 pm
Are we accepting moral victories tonight

We got on the scoreboard!!! Field goal city!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 14, 2017, 09:42:52 pm
2007: 41-38
2008: 49-14
2009: 35-7
2010: 24-20
2011: 38-14
2012: 52-0
2013: 52-0
2014: 14-13
2015: 27-14
2016: 49-30
2017: 41-9

All of the losses to Alabama since Arkansas' last win against the Tide in the 2006 season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 09:57:15 pm
We got on the scoreboard!!! Field goal city!
And a TD whoopie. However I did like the effort after the shell shock of the first quarter.

CK needs to start the rest of the season. Better QB than AA already. A freshman going through what he did tonight and not folding is what we need, offense needs to pick up the pace.

We weren't winning this game, I think most reasonable folks knew this. While we saw slight improvement it's still not enough for me to say BB is the guy going forward
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 14, 2017, 10:36:07 pm
CK has a ways to go though. Game was way too fast for him. He has a cannon for sure. He held the ball forever at times. AA hasnt had that luxury in any game. Im not sold on CK yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 14, 2017, 11:06:57 pm
CK has a ways to go though. Game was way too fast for him. He has a cannon for sure. He held the ball forever at times. AA hasnt had that luxury in any game. Im not sold on CK yet.
Might wanna go back and watch a some game film then. AA has taken a beating for sure. Mostly OL play the cause but also
A lot of it him holding on to the ball trying to make a play. This includes his injury. He had at least 8 seconds on that play and chose to hold it even though he saw the rush.

My opinion we have a goose egg if AA was the QB tonight. I can see a freshman making the mistakes CK did especially against the team that he played. AA has been making those same mistakes against lesser competition.

Plus seems like the team is more behind CK. He is never down no matter how things are going
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 15, 2017, 11:19:55 am
I'm not sold that CK is the answer.  He delivered the same results we have been seeing, a loss.  Yes, Bama is way better than UA and we were gonna loose.  I'm not sure the outcome was different than we would have seen if AA was playing.  I'm not sold on him either but you helped make the case for keeping him without realizing it.  1. he's a senior with experience. 2. He has held the ball too long at times. (but you pointed out the OL hasn't given protection and he was waiting trying to make a play) 3. CK is a freshman and is going to make freshman mistakes. (I'm not sold on his being the guy to deliver wins, I'm not sure he is any better than AA.  4. How do you know the team is more behind CK?  (seems to me the team is responsible for part of the poor play, no OL protection, dropped passes, poor route running.) 
So I'm not sure CK is better or will deliver better outcomes.  The main problem lies with coaching, talent level, and overall effort.  Those things rest mostly with the HC.  If there is a way for BB to correct, I'm doubtful, then maybe he stays another year but that seems an extension in futility.  Cut the cord and go shopping for someone else, remove Long from the search or you get the same result.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 15, 2017, 12:24:09 pm
I'm not sold that CK is the answer.  He delivered the same results we have been seeing, a loss.  Yes, Bama is way better than UA and we were gonna loose.  I'm not sure the outcome was different than we would have seen if AA was playing.  I'm not sold on him either but you helped make the case for keeping him without realizing it.  1. he's a senior with experience. 2. He has held the ball too long at times. (but you pointed out the OL hasn't given protection and he was waiting trying to make a play) 3. CK is a freshman and is going to make freshman mistakes. (I'm not sold on his being the guy to deliver wins, I'm not sure he is any better than AA.  4. How do you know the team is more behind CK?  (seems to me the team is responsible for part of the poor play, no OL protection, dropped passes, poor route running.) 
So I'm not sure CK is better or will deliver better outcomes.  The main problem lies with coaching, talent level, and overall effort.  Those things rest mostly with the HC.  If there is a way for BB to correct, I'm doubtful, then maybe he stays another year but that seems an extension in futility.  Cut the cord and go shopping for someone else, remove Long from the search or you get the same result.
Truthfully there is not a QB on this team that will carry it. I want the best guy in there though. By what I've read AAis going to be out up to 4 weeks possibly. So CK will be the guy going forward. As a senior and a full year under his belt you would think AA wouldn't make the same mistakes as a freshman

The team did show a little different attitude with CK last night. AA demeanor after getting hit just like CK did last night is infectious to the team. It's JMO that if AA was in there we would have had less yardage and the outcome even worse. No matter how bad it is your leaders have to stay positive.

Just like B.B. Standing on the sideline looking lost most of the time. Teams tend to take on some attributes of its leaders.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 15, 2017, 10:15:36 pm
Arkansas fan's GPS doesn't want him to go to the Alabama game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCe1vHsE1fw
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 15, 2017, 11:02:23 pm
Neither AA or CK are goin to look worth a crap on this team. Last year AA did a pretty good job. Hes the same guy this year with freshman recievers and no protection. If we are going to continue with this staff we better get some cat back there that can run a 4.2 40 amd has a 3.9 shuttle time if he wants to survive and keep the O moving.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 15, 2017, 11:04:50 pm
Who would win and what would be the score if we played Arkansas State and #6 FCS ranked Central Arkansas right now? I would say if we played Arkansas State in Jonesboro we would lose right now by 7-10 points. The Hogs would win by 7-10 in Fayetteville. We would only beat UCA by about 17-24 points right now imo.... Maybe that is why Arkansas won't play those two schools? It's because of years like this.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 16, 2017, 10:07:26 am
Who would win and what would be the score if we played Arkansas State and #6 FCS ranked Central Arkansas right now? I would say if we played Arkansas State in Jonesboro we would lose right now by 7-10 points. The Hogs would win by 7-10 in Fayetteville. We would only beat UCA by about 17-24 points right now imo.... Maybe that is why Arkansas won't play those two schools? It's because of years like this.

Yeah, that's the reason.  lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 16, 2017, 11:44:58 am
Yeah, that's the reason.  lol

Out of curiousity, what is the actual reason Arkansas won't play other Arkansas schools (this isn't meant to start a heated debate)?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 16, 2017, 11:59:31 am
Itís fear
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 16, 2017, 01:38:44 pm
Out of curiousity, what is the actual reason Arkansas won't play other Arkansas schools (this isn't meant to start a heated debate)?

The question is what does Arkansas have to gain by playing ASU or UCA?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 16, 2017, 01:45:36 pm
A full stadium which it doesnít get playing NMSU, coastal Carolina, and Florida A&M while gaining absolutely nothing. So they would gain more money more money more money
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 16, 2017, 01:48:03 pm
Ignore him.... He is just especially upset cause I said PA would beat his precious Greenwood Bulldogs..... And cuck is right. It's fear from the U of A.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 16, 2017, 01:54:36 pm
The question is what does Arkansas have to gain by playing ASU or UCA?

You act like we are a highly thought of program with that ability to think that way.... What would we have to gain?... A loss to A State is it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 16, 2017, 07:23:25 pm
Money isn't a factor imo. As of now there is enough coming in even though the game would be huge.

Basically it comes down to Astate possibly beating the Hogs. There's always been a call for the game but even more so now that the Hogs are horrible and Astate has a real shot to win.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 16, 2017, 08:02:57 pm
If i made the decisions, i would never play an in state school. It just makes no sense for the U 0f A. This has been beat to death for years. It aint never ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna happen. U of A has plenty of money. They dont have to play them to make money. And what would you actually add......10,000 ticket sales to one game. Maybe. Thats crums to SEC schools. No matter who we play there Will be lots of open seats until a HC change is made.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 16, 2017, 08:30:46 pm
If i made the decisions, i would never play an in state school. It just makes no sense for the U 0f A. This has been beat to death for years. It aint never ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna happen. U of A has plenty of money. They dont have to play them to make money. And what would you actually add......10,000 ticket sales to one game. Maybe. Thats crums to SEC schools. No matter who we play there Will be lots of open seats until a HC change is made.

Use it to appease Little Rock
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 16, 2017, 09:43:55 pm
Thats another thing id never do. Why in the world do we play in LR anymore? That makes no sense at all. They dont even sell it out anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 16, 2017, 09:46:18 pm
If i made the decisions, i would never play an in state school. It just makes no sense for the U 0f A. This has been beat to death for years. It aint never ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna happen. U of A has plenty of money. They dont have to play them to make money. And what would you actually add......10,000 ticket sales to one game. Maybe. Thats crums to SEC schools. No matter who we play there Will be lots of open seats until a HC change is made.

So the reason against playing another in state school is the risk of losing to that school?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 16, 2017, 09:48:42 pm
If i made the decisions, i would never play an in state school. It just makes no sense for the U 0f A. This has been beat to death for years. It aint never ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna happen. U of A has plenty of money. They dont have to play them to make money. And what would you actually add......10,000 ticket sales to one game. Maybe. Thats crums to SEC schools. No matter who we play there Will be lots of open seats until a HC change is made.

This same situation does not stop Miss State from playing Southern Miss, Ohio State from playing Kent State, Kentucky from playing Eastern Kentucky, and Clemson from playing the Citadel...... The only answer is that the school up on the Hill in Fayetteville is full of elitist that think they are too good to play the two other in state schools or they are just scared.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 16, 2017, 09:50:57 pm
The question is what does Arkansas have to gain by playing ASU or UCA?

I am not sure you are aware of the actual status of the U of A... It appears you think way to highly of them.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 16, 2017, 10:06:55 pm
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 16, 2017, 10:08:48 pm
My suggestion is if you want your flagship school to play the little brothers.....move to one of the above listed schools. I dont see why some people are so hung up on the topic. Its a no brainer if your the person who has the best interest of that particular university as your #1 priority. Good thing none of you are that person.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 16, 2017, 10:10:57 pm
Please use correct grammar. You sound like an idiot.  Front runner cubs fan.  lol

You still did not answer my question that you apparently think way too much of the U of A? I noticed anytime I debate something with you it immediately goes to personal attacks? It's about the fifth time now, and I have yet to stoop to your level. And my word, if you don't think I know the difference between too, to, and two then I feel sorry for you. It was a genuine mistake on my phone. I made a genuinely good point as to asking why other power schools play in state lower tier schools so I do not see what is the big deal in that. You also have been apparently creeping on my profile you stalker. You sound like a poor little snowflake ever since I told you that PA would beat Greenwood which is true. I have not attacked you personally, unless you have attached your self worth to Greenwood Bulldog football. Anytime I mention they aren't #1 you have not appreciated that.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on October 16, 2017, 11:09:59 pm
Thats another thing id never do. Why in the world do we play in LR anymore? That makes no sense at all. They dont even sell it out anymore.
they wouldn't sell out in Fayetteville if they played those rinky dinky teams they give to LR
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 16, 2017, 11:35:59 pm
My suggestion is if you want your flagship school to play the little brothers.....move to one of the above listed schools. I dont see why some people are so hung up on the topic. Its a no brainer if your the person who has the best interest of that particular university as your #1 priority. Good thing none of you are that person.

But what is the reason(s) for not allowing the school to play other in state teams. It isn't a matter of money. In fact, you would think it would be nice if UofA has to pay money to these smaller schools to come play, why not give that money to other AR schools?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 17, 2017, 12:23:39 am
they wouldn't sell out in Fayetteville if they played those rinky dinky teams they give to LR

I agree. Sell outs are a thing of the past for us. Maybe someday it will hapoen again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 17, 2017, 12:28:23 am
But what is the reason(s) for not allowing the school to play other in state teams. It isn't a matter of money. In fact, you would think it would be nice if UofA has to pay money to these smaller schools to come play, why not give that money to other AR schools?

Why? Someone from another state is giving those same schools the same money u of a would give them. So u of a money leaves the state and other money replaces it. Whats the difference? There is absolutely nothing to gain for u of a playing them. If they win, everyone says "well, they should win". Oh but if they lose.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 17, 2017, 03:28:15 am
If they win, everyone says "well, they should win". Oh but if they lose.

That answers my question
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 17, 2017, 05:34:02 am
There is absolutely nothing to gain for u of a playing them. If they win, everyone says "well, they should win". Oh but if they lose.

That's what this fan base does anyway
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 07:16:52 am
Same can be said about the out of state bought wins too. What is the u of a fayettville gaining by playing them?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 17, 2017, 08:36:02 am
I have always been of the mindset that the U of A should play ASU and now UCA. Bigger gates, more money than playing Coastal Carolina or New Mexico State. If we win then we should against any of those and if we lose then we shouldn't have to any of those. Either way it goes if we play the in state schools more money for everyone. Now with that being said, do not play the games in Little Rock until they upgrade the stadium and fix the clock. It is basically an away game to play in a dump.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 17, 2017, 09:38:39 am
Little Rock needs a considerable amount of work to the stadium.....I don't think it would be a good idea to play ASU unless it was for like a fundraiser or to kick off the season.   It could cost recruits possibly "if" they beat the U of A.    Too many variables to consider and a working clock would be awesome!   Of all the donors in the state, it looks like a clock could be purchased.  IDK.  Getting a Coaching staff seems to be front and foremost IMO.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 17, 2017, 09:48:47 am
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 17, 2017, 10:08:57 am
I just think you're a lonely person.  And have nothing better to do than to get on boards, where you truly have no interest, just to irritate the posters.   You're like that lonely kid in school who has no friends and has to create his own drama to get attention.  I'm sure you were a braves fan until the Cubs won, then you jumped onto that bandwagon.   All you do is complain and cause controversy, so yes, i attack you personally, because you're a tool.

Then what brings you here?  Just an honest question since you apparently get to decide the merit of all of the posters on here. And seriously, if you were not able to detect my posts were sarcasm from the get go in the PA/Greenwood discussion and you took it as far as you did please go seek anger management classes. You're just a childhood bully that grew into adulthood. I am going to cut you some slack and assume you are only between the age of 19-22. If not and you were not able to detect sarcasm which apparently has angered you to the point of making personal attacks on someone then that is just sad. If you are just some young 20 something I will again just cut you some slack.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 17, 2017, 10:35:58 am
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 17, 2017, 10:40:36 am
LOL!   And you are sooooooo much different!  ;D :)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on October 17, 2017, 10:57:34 am
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 11:31:39 am
I think I know who lives with mommy still. The one who canít tolerate someone elseís opinion. Btw, PA would curb stomp greenwood
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 17, 2017, 11:50:09 am
Sat
2017-10-21
Auburn 
17 %
21 35 


Sat
2017-10-28
at Mississippi 
33 %
35 41 


Sat
2017-11-04
Coastal Car
94 %
42 20 



Sat
2017-11-11
at LSU
21 %
24 35 


Sat
2017-11-18
Mississippi St
33 %
31 37 


Fri
2017-11-24
Missouri
76 %
42 34



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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 17, 2017, 11:53:43 am
Little Rock needs a considerable amount of work to the stadium.....I don't think it would be a good idea to play ASU unless it was for like a fundraiser or to kick off the season.   It could cost recruits possibly "if" they beat the U of A.    Too many variables to consider and a working clock would be awesome!   Of all the donors in the state, it looks like a clock could be purchased.  IDK.  Getting a Coaching staff seems to be front and foremost IMO.

In all seriousness...losing to teams like ULM and Toledo doesn't lead to losing recruits?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 17, 2017, 11:57:46 am
In all seriousness...losing to teams like ULM and Toledo don't lead to losing recruits?
Yes, it does....but it looks like that some players who are in state might choose to attend ASU over U of A, if they have been offered by both.  Could it not? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 11:59:25 am
No. If you are offered by both you are going to u of a fayettville
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 17, 2017, 12:14:30 pm
ASU will never be a legitimate threat to the UofA (on the field or with recruiting) until ASU moves to a higher tier conference. Which may or may not ever happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jack1990 on October 17, 2017, 12:28:31 pm
I agree the two shouldn't play, but to say ASU has to be in a Higher tier conference to be a threat to the Hogs...what about Louisiana-Monroe? Toledo? Not exactly Power 5 conferences.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 17, 2017, 12:34:04 pm
I agree the two shouldn't play, but to say ASU has to be in a Higher tier conference to be a threat to the Hogs...what about Louisiana-Monroe? Toledo? Not exactly Power 5 conferences.

I'm meaning a long-term, year in and year out threat to wins and losses and competing for recruits. Not just a one off game. Like cuckoobird said, as it stands right now almost every recruit in the country will go to any SEC school over any Sun Belt school.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jack1990 on October 17, 2017, 12:35:43 pm
Oh...in that aspect I agree completely.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: YC on October 17, 2017, 01:24:41 pm

Itís not the fear of losing recruits or of losing a game.
 
The fear of splitting the fan base over time is the real reason it wonít happen.

By playing each other, it will in time split that base. Arkansas being the small state it is population wise, the U of A feels it really canít afford to have that base split.

It would most likely affect ticket sales some but not much. However, it would have a greater effect on the merchandising of the product.

That came straight from the horseís mouth some years ago,

However, if they donít get this mess straighten out soon there wonít be left any product to merchandise. I have a lot of doubt if the BOT will make the necessary changes to stop the erosion. They have failed in the past. 
     
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 01:55:31 pm
I donít think you would split the fanbase. Does anyone actually think that LSU has lost a fan over playing one of the smaller LA schools? Or Ohio state has lost a fan? Thatís another cop out in my opinion
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 17, 2017, 02:20:39 pm
I donít think you would split the fanbase. Does anyone actually think that LSU has lost a fan over playing one of the smaller LA schools? Or Ohio state has lost a fan? Thatís another cop out in my opinion

I think that too.... I may be wrong, but I would think if you root for one of those smaller schools like UL Monroe or Lafayette cause you are an alumni or something then they probably root for LSU too and just have two teams they root for.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 02:26:01 pm
Exactly
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 17, 2017, 03:13:11 pm
That answers my question

Well, you must not be very smart. Why else would you think? Explain to me what is to gain by playing them. Heck, i thought that was obvious. I didnt know it needed to be drawn on a piece of paper. If you War Eagles didnt have to play your grandaddy (bama), you may not either. Unfortunately, you have no choice but to take that beating 99.9 percent of the time.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2017, 03:40:35 pm
The argument of what would the university gain by playing them is mute because they would gain more butts in the stands.  The university currently doesnít gain anything by playing a lower tier school from another state.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 17, 2017, 04:43:03 pm
The argument of what would the university gain by playing them is mute because they would gain more butts in the stands.  The university currently doesnít gain anything by playing a lower tier school from another state.
Yep! And the fact of the matter is we should never lose recruits to UCA or ASU and we should never lose a game to them either. As bad as we have played this year we would still beat either ASU or UCA by 30 or more.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 17, 2017, 06:49:58 pm
Yep! And the fact of the matter is we should never lose recruits to UCA or ASU and we should never lose a game to them either. As bad as we have played this year we would still beat either ASU or UCA by 30 or more.

...........CBB always gives Saban headaches.

Arkansas - 23
Alabama - 22
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 17, 2017, 06:53:44 pm
Well, you must not be very smart. Why else would you think? Explain to me what is to gain by playing them. Heck, i thought that was obvious. I didnt know it needed to be drawn on a piece of paper. If you War Eagles didnt have to play your grandaddy (bama), you may not either. Unfortunately, you have no choice but to take that beating 99.9 percent of the time.

I don't keep up much with Arkansas and they are the only university that I know of that has that policy.  Typically when I have heard the topic brought up in the past, Arkansas fans tip-toe around the subject but I have never actually heard that the sole reason is because you are worried about losing to another in state school.

I'm not sure why you are so upset about the subject. It is ironic to hear you say something about getting beat by Bama when Arkansas won't schedule a non P5 school and a FCS team in their own state because they are worried about losing to them. That mindset actually seems pretty weak and pathetic and I'd rather lose to Alabama than cower away from a team like Troy and Jacksonville State
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 17, 2017, 08:56:43 pm
I don't keep up much with Arkansas and they are the only university that I know of that has that policy.  Typically when I have heard the topic brought up in the past, Arkansas fans tip-toe around the subject but I have never actually heard that the sole reason is because you are worried about losing to another in state school.

I'm not sure why you are so upset about the subject. It is ironic to hear you say something about getting beat by Bama when Arkansas won't schedule a non P5 school and a FCS team in their own state because they are worried about losing to them. That mindset actually seems pretty weak and pathetic and I'd rather lose to Alabama than cower away from a team like Troy and Jacksonville State

Thats good because that pretty much all yall do anyway. I dont give a rip if the hogs ever win another game. Nor do i care if auburn does. I dont care if they play every school inside the state or if they dont. None of it makes any difference when i go to sleep at night. But, if i were the person getting paid to make decisions that are supposed to be in the best interest of the U of A i would not play an in state school. I will say this to be honest though...... I do wish these goobers running things over here would have been smart enough to hire Gus. That smaller school that we wont play was smart enough to do just that
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 18, 2017, 08:55:35 am

lol, you really should have picked up on the fact that I was trolling. The truth of the matter is I never wanted CBB in the first place.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 18, 2017, 09:01:19 am
lol, you really should have picked up on the fact that I was trolling. The truth of the matter is I never wanted CBB in the first place.

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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 18, 2017, 10:12:52 am
Thats good because that pretty much all yall do anyway.

Arkansas has really looked stellar against Bama for the past decade
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 18, 2017, 10:53:57 am
lol, you really should have picked up on the fact that I was trolling. The truth of the matter is I never wanted CBB in the first place.

Just wasn't sure when, if ever, your trollin' stopped.  ;)


Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 19, 2017, 09:54:03 am
Outlook for UA football is low! 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on October 19, 2017, 09:59:30 am
If most people feel the way the people I talk to do then we for sure need to get a new coach or the coach needs a new philosophy.  The program is not progressing. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 19, 2017, 08:03:09 pm
Can it just be over?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 19, 2017, 08:32:05 pm
Can it just be over?

I agree.... they should also shut down that stupid show they do from the Catfish Hole every week. I happened to just flip to sports talk on the radio and it was on earlier and I'd rather eat tree bark than listen to that show of BB blabbing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 19, 2017, 08:39:43 pm
I agree.... they should also shut down that stupid show they do from the Catfish Hole every week. I happened to just flip to sports talk on the radio and it was on earlier and I'd rather eat tree bark than listen to that show of BB blabbing.

I havent listened to sports talk radio in a month or so....the razorback call in shows are predictable....the ESPN shows are even more predictable..
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 19, 2017, 08:42:34 pm
I havent listened to sports talk radio in a month or so....the razorback call in shows are predictable....the ESPN shows are even more predictable..



Those are literally getting out of control all the national outlets.... Even when I agree with what they are saying I am getting beyond sick of it. I think we all watch sports to get our minds off that stuff and none of the national sports outlets are even making that possible.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 19, 2017, 08:44:00 pm
Those are literally getting out of control all the national outlets.... Even when I agree with what they are saying I am getting beyond sick of it. I think we all watch sports to get our minds off that stuff and none of the national sports outlets are even making that possible.

I drive to work at 3 am...and the guy that used to be on "first and last" with Golic jr could spin everything to racism... Got worse if he was hosting solo.... He got let go in a round of lay off though...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 19, 2017, 08:47:14 pm
I drive to work at 3 am...and the guy that used to be on "first and last" with Golic jr could spin everything to racism... Got worse if he was hosting solo.... He got let go in a round of lay off though...

That's funny cause I get going on the road at 4am and that same guy was hitting my last nerve too.... You are beating me by an hour though in the morning.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 19, 2017, 09:05:30 pm
I havent listened to sports talk radio in a month or so....the razorback call in shows are predictable....the ESPN shows are even more predictable..

I drive to work at 3 am...and the guy that used to be on "first and last" with Golic jr could spin everything to racism... Got worse if he was hosting solo.... He got let go in a round of lay off though...

Nothing to do with the Razorbacks for the most part, but 97.7 (the sports talk radio station out of Ruston, LA) recently dropped their affiliation with ESPN.  They expanded their local programing and signed up with Fox Sports for other time slots.

http://www.sportstalk977.com/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 20, 2017, 07:38:33 am
Nothing to do with the Razorbacks for the most part, but 97.7 (the sports talk radio station out of Ruston, LA) recently dropped their affiliation with ESPN.  They expanded their local programing and signed up with Fox Sports for other time slots.

http://www.sportstalk977.com/

I'm afraid that my radio won't pick up that station Bleu. I listen to the local guys on 103.7 about once a week...can't stand "Out of Bounds" either...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2017, 08:05:35 am
ESPN has turned in to CNN.

As I watch a game, I see crap being spewed about trump and other ridiculous political crap.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 20, 2017, 08:06:29 am
I have got to where I mute the game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on October 20, 2017, 11:41:55 am
I have got to where I mute the game.
I just turn on a better game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 20, 2017, 12:42:09 pm
I just turn on a better game

Boston college vs lousville was a real good one 8)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on October 20, 2017, 01:26:40 pm
Boston college vs lousville was a real good one 8)
A headscratcher for sure
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 21, 2017, 01:37:51 pm
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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 21, 2017, 04:59:51 pm
Hoping for some miracle and we win.  Don't like Gus. Hate Auburn.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 21, 2017, 06:14:02 pm
Hoping for some miracle and we win.  Don't like Gus. Hate Auburn.

I'd be okay with this. Might get us a new coach and help save Bielema's job
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 06:26:53 pm
I'm hoping we at least look like we can play football
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 21, 2017, 06:41:25 pm
I'm hoping we at least look like we can play football

May be hoping for too much.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 06:51:26 pm
May be hoping for too much.
Yeah obviously wishful thinking now. Pitiful
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 21, 2017, 06:53:38 pm
Bush league play there on defense!  9 players on the field and we can't even fake an injury!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 06:58:39 pm
These backs need to hit the hole. They take the hand off then dance for 5 steps. Just run and get what you can get

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 06:59:27 pm
Bush league play there on defense!  9 players on the field and we can't even fake an injury!
Oh he tried.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 21, 2017, 07:27:28 pm
O line still sucks! One step forward, 2 steps back and punt! 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 21, 2017, 08:12:08 pm
Well, the Hogs got 6 points in the first half. They only scored 3 points all game against Auburn last season.

Moral victory?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 08:16:19 pm
Couple GL stands have kept us in it. Except a play here and there auburn has pretty much done what they wanted too
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 21, 2017, 08:55:12 pm
Rout is on!
At this point Auburn can do whatever they want!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 08:56:58 pm
Is it possible to just run the clock like in high school
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 09:20:47 pm
Ww gave up more points and yards in a quarter than some teams give up in entire games
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 21, 2017, 09:24:23 pm
Maybe we can finish the season off without another win so we can move on and find a coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 21, 2017, 09:33:10 pm
Just sad and pathetic.  Line is horrible. Defense canít spell tackle
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2017, 09:45:57 pm
Maybe we can finish the season off without another win so we can move on and find a coach.
If they even think they are going to get rid of him it needs to go ahead and be done. No sense in waiting. This season is done

Only one win left on the schedule. Who knows with the right Hire we could improve some recruiting for the upcoming class. As it is now we may be scraping for recruits
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 21, 2017, 09:51:52 pm
I canít wait to hear on drive time the complaints about the unies being part of the problem
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on October 21, 2017, 10:09:10 pm
Yep, they kinda had the ASU look!  Only thing is, ASU is winning regularly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 21, 2017, 10:14:37 pm
I canít wait to hear on drive time the complaints about the unies being part of the problem

Pink ones would be much more appropriate. But not for the players. If they are coached properly, it shows. If they arent, it shows. I think its pretty easy to figure out which is happening.  Pink with little white bows for every coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 21, 2017, 10:50:54 pm
Arkansas has given up 47.75 points per game in SEC play
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 21, 2017, 11:29:14 pm
Even John L. Smith was able to lead the Razorbacks to a victory over Auburn...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 22, 2017, 01:50:53 am
This is bad, wow!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Valleysports on October 22, 2017, 04:19:42 am
What's the point margin between Bielema vs Gus?  Old School vs New School
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 22, 2017, 10:19:35 am
Well, over the last 2 years .....gus 108- jaba 23.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 22, 2017, 07:39:25 pm
It is just a sad situation.  Time to fix it.  Tell BB they have to finish with x number of wins or pack his bags.  Clean house, coaches, some players probably need to go.  AD sure needs to go.   He has hired some questionable coaches since he got here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 22, 2017, 07:48:02 pm
It is just a sad situation.  Time to fix it.  Tell BB they have to finish with x number of wins or pack his bags.  Clean house, coaches, some players probably need to go.  AD sure needs to go.   He has hired some questionable coaches since he got here.

Im not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious. Outside of BB, who else would be considered a questionable hire?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 22, 2017, 07:48:58 pm
What's the point margin between Bielema vs Gus?  Old School vs New School

As wide as the Pacific Ocean...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 22, 2017, 07:56:12 pm
Im not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious. Outside of BB, who else would be considered a questionable hire?

The O line coach is a buffoon... Even his personality rubs me the wrong way. I actually feel bad for Enos cause BB probably has told him to keep the offense through the years in parameters that I am sure Enos wanted to do more. And the DC has no blame. He just stepped into an awful situation of personnel.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 22, 2017, 08:47:30 pm
Wouldnt you assume that all assistants are hired by the HC?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 22, 2017, 09:15:12 pm
This one is making the rounds on Facebook:

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Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 23, 2017, 01:28:02 am
There is hope for one more win......maybe Coastal Carolina will have an off night.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on October 23, 2017, 06:15:19 am
There is hope for one more win......maybe Coastal Carolina will have an off night.
No weíll win alright. But it wonít  be pretty.
We will play a pretty good first half and be up by like 24 at half.
But then as always that team stays inside while a different team comes out for the second half and once we start playing awful, they will get a handful of scores.
But too much time will be eaten up for each of the teams possessions so they wonít have enough time to take the lead. Had there been one more quarter they probably woulda caught up and won.

Arkansas 38
Coastal 28
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 23, 2017, 12:06:18 pm
It sure gets old wondering if UA is going to win again and by how much they will loose to SEC competition.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 23, 2017, 12:07:22 pm
I don't care if UA wins every non-conference game it plays, to be 2 to 1 in losses in SEC play is not acceptable.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: urban legend2 on October 23, 2017, 12:08:07 pm
With Ole Miss' QB going down for the rest of the year, you'd think it'd give the Hogs a good chance to win. You'd think it would, but....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 23, 2017, 01:09:06 pm
Seeing people get up and walk out so soon in the game is disheartening for the program, but I can't say I blame em.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 23, 2017, 03:16:48 pm
With Ole Miss' QB going down for the rest of the year, you'd think it'd give the Hogs a good chance to win. You'd think it would, but....

Frank Ragnow is now out for the season with an ankle injury... I bet it isn't that bad and he is protecting his draft stock. I kind of understand that how bad the rest of his four lineman counterparts are. And the Ole Miss back up honestly looks like he has some athleticism.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 23, 2017, 05:57:32 pm
At this point does it matter who the other teams QB is. He will look good against us.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 23, 2017, 06:19:33 pm
Listening to BB on drive time. If he says uh or uuhm once he says it a gazillion times during an interview.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 23, 2017, 07:18:51 pm
Chase Hayden out as well.

A friend of mine bought me a ticket to oxford this weekend. I'm going to start drinking about Wednesday to blur my vision so I don't go blind from watching these two horrible teams
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ctucker on October 23, 2017, 07:36:16 pm
Chase Hayden out as well.

A friend of mine bought me a ticket to oxford this weekend. I'm going to start drinking about Wednesday to blur my vision so I don't go blind from watching these two horrible teams
BDub I've never meet you but I like you!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 23, 2017, 09:40:52 pm
Chase Hayden out as well.

A friend of mine bought me a ticket to oxford this weekend. I'm going to start drinking about Wednesday to blur my vision so I don't go blind from watching these two horrible teams

May wanna start right now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 24, 2017, 06:17:04 am
May wanna start right now.
I thought about it but I do have to work some this week. Stay thirsty my friends and drink responsibly.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 24, 2017, 08:19:58 am
http://hitthatline.com/78-orange-bowl-team-laughing-at-current-hogs/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 24, 2017, 09:06:51 am
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/watch-arkansas-state-coach-mocks-downtrodden-razorback-program-speaking-engagement/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Redwolves8526 on October 25, 2017, 09:29:17 am
You have to admit, that was pretty funny.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 25, 2017, 09:51:11 am
You have to admit, that was pretty funny.

I laughed.


Bazz said it best though. If you donít like the trash talk:
1. Start winning.
2. Play them and beat them.

If not....quit whining.

Thatís coming from a big time hog supporter and former player. And I agree!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 25, 2017, 10:02:20 am
Not playing the red wolves is going to hurt the program more than playing them ever could when their coach publicly makes fun of the university and nothing can be said to defend them. I thought it was funny too!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 25, 2017, 11:51:19 am
Not playing the red wolves is going to hurt the program more than playing them ever could when their coach publicly makes fun of the university and nothing can be said to defend them. I thought it was funny too!

Exactly...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on October 25, 2017, 12:55:16 pm
I'm glad you guys can see the humor in it and aren't offended by it. I've seen some people on social media losing their minds over this and it's crazy.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 25, 2017, 01:33:01 pm
I'm glad you guys can see the humor in it and aren't offended by it. I've seen some people on social media losing their minds over this and it's crazy.

Social media is gasoline for retard fire.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: urban legend2 on October 25, 2017, 03:40:04 pm
Social media is gasoline for retard fire.
+1...lol!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 25, 2017, 08:00:11 pm
Aw I finally gave in and have fb and instagram now but i donít get into those heated social media debates. Itís quite comical though
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 25, 2017, 09:19:03 pm
+1...lol!!

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Anderson just told it like it was.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on October 26, 2017, 01:48:20 pm
I see why Arkansas doesn't want to play in state schools, it would be bad for PA, Fayetteville, Greenwood and a few more to beat them on Saturday.
Really, they had nothing to gain, loose fans, loose recruits, loose boosters if they lost. However, now?  They need to play everyone because their fan base is bailing  and another bad game or so and it will be as bad as you can imagine.  Last week the mass exit during the 3rd was embarrassing. I think they left to get an early start on the Tennessee game they taped.  It's just that bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 26, 2017, 06:28:47 pm
Now we have a couple articles out full of excuses. One saying you have to throw out the first year and the puts us slightly above .500 I think and 10-18 in SEC I think. Can't remember the numbers off the top of my head cause I didn't pay much attention to cause that's really not my whole issue with it. They actually had the marbles to say that's not that bad is it. Then today I read one where they are blaming injuries now. As far as I know we had one to start the season. A major one at that with RW3 having to retire. Lost one starter first game and the rest have come here recently. I don't think we were winning any of these upcoming games with those players much less without them.

I'm not gonna recap the entire season but there were issues from the get go. Even before the last to games of last year this issues were evident even in winning some games. The regression was there all season. Like most I held out hope for this season that there would be improvement. There is very little if any to find.

After JLS we showed improvement and at least looked competitive in most games. We are on an obvious down turn to say the least. We are squarely looking at another year in the very bottom of the SEC with the real likelihood of 0-9 in conference again. Well unless you take out that first year.

This is basically a rant because it looks more and more like this will continue next year and under the same leadership. I'm not sure if the folks that pay the bills understand or even care what happens. I read this board, some others and just from talking to folks around town and this is going to get bad if he stays.

I'm still going Saturday. I'm Hog fan, the ticket was cheap and Oxford is closer than Fayetteville. I'm not expecting much but hope we can pull out a win.

Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 26, 2017, 06:38:22 pm
After Auburn loses a close game to Georgia and gets bullied by Alabama then they will fire Malzahn..... Then you will see the Gus bus arrive in Fayetteville one week later.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 26, 2017, 08:22:43 pm
After Auburn loses a close game to Georgia and gets bullied by Alabama then they will fire Malzahn..... Then you will see the Gus bus arrive in Fayetteville one week later.
Im not opposed to it but man sure seems like that guy hates us.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 26, 2017, 08:40:57 pm
Another facebook pic:


(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14720523_261446524257456_4714029921030749411_n.jpg?oh=aa98a4f836fcc2e7975bb519a6465975&oe=5A7007AA)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on October 26, 2017, 09:12:04 pm
Aw I finally gave in and have fb and instagram now but i donít get into those heated social media debates. Itís quite comical though
Staying true.

Facebook free since 2009.

Never had twitter or Instagram. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 26, 2017, 09:23:55 pm
Now we have a couple articles out full of excuses. One saying you have to throw out the first year and the puts us slightly above .500 I think and 10-18 in SEC I think. Can't remember the numbers off the top of my head cause I didn't pay much attention to cause that's really not my whole issue with it. They actually had the marbles to say that's not that bad is it. Then today I read one where they are blaming injuries now. As far as I know we had one to start the season. A major one at that with RW3 having to retire. Lost one starter first game and the rest have come here recently. I don't think we were winning any of these upcoming games with those players much less without them.

I'm not gonna recap the entire season but there were issues from the get go. Even before the last to games of last year this issues were evident even in winning some games. The regression was there all season. Like most I held out hope for this season that there would be improvement. There is very little if any to find.

After JLS we showed improvement and at least looked competitive in most games. We are on an obvious down turn to say the least. We are squarely looking at another year in the very bottom of the SEC with the real likelihood of 0-9 in conference again. Well unless you take out that first year.

This is basically a rant because it looks more and more like this will continue next year and under the same leadership. I'm not sure if the folks that pay the bills understand or even care what happens. I read this board, some others and just from talking to folks around town and this is going to get bad if he stays.

I'm still going Saturday. I'm Hog fan, the ticket was cheap and Oxford is closer than Fayetteville. I'm not expecting much but hope we can pull out a win.

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-and-jeff-long-may-keep-bret-bielema-on-as-coach-another-year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 26, 2017, 10:39:51 pm
Ok. So we take out the first year? What kind of sense does that make? Houston nutts first year we started 8 0 and were in top 10 when we headed to Tennessee. And without the miracle fumble we very well could have played in natl title game. Do we throw that one out too? Program was in terroble shape when he got here too. But id say he had a great first year. Beilema was never a fit and never will be. Prepare for another year of losing hog fans. I cant see them getting rid of him. But noone from outside the state wants us to. Why would they. I assume that sec country stuff isnt written by an arky.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 26, 2017, 10:47:43 pm
Ok. So we take out the first year? What kind of sense does that make? Houston nutts first year we started 8 0 and were in top 10 when we headed to Tennessee. And without the miracle fumble we very well could have played in natl title game. Do we throw that one out too? Program was in terroble shape when he got here too. But id say he had a great first year. Beilema was never a fit and never will be. Prepare for another year of losing hog fans. I cant see them getting rid of him. But noone from outside the state wants us to. Why would they. I assume that sec country stuff isnt written by an arky.

Exactly.... BB literally lost to both Mississippi schools, Rutgers, and then he lost to South Carolina by 45 at home. There is no excuse for all that even in year one. Miss State was awful that year too. Our game with them in Little Rock that year might have been the worst SEC game ever. Our game with Mizzou this year might break that record though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on October 26, 2017, 11:22:59 pm
I don't think Gus is gone this year. besides if Auburn runs him off why do you want him if he is not winning there?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: War Eagle on October 27, 2017, 07:47:50 am
I don't think Gus is gone this year. besides if Auburn runs him off why do you want him if he is not winning there?

Gus does win games. I think there are 2 main reasons why Auburn people are losing faith in Malzahn

1.) Over the past couple of years, the playcalling seems to be getting predicactable. All offseason, we were told Chip Lindsey would bring a new offense. However, the offense has looked almost the exact same as it did in previous years. People have speculated that Malzahn is still tampering with the offense (and then barred the coordinators from talking to the media to supposedly keep them from expressing frustration).

2.) Nick Saban and Alabama are in the heads of Auburn fans. Auburn fans so badly want to be competitive with Alabama that the expectations have shot through the roof.  They need to take a step back and appreciate a good season even if we arenít better than Alabama.  Otherwise, we will be cycling through coaches until Alabama takes a dip again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on October 27, 2017, 09:06:04 am
Jeff Long wants the pigs to be everyones homecoming opponent, more exposure for the program!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 27, 2017, 11:21:44 am
http://katv.com/news/local/should-bielema-stay-or-go-44-say-dont-know
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 27, 2017, 11:53:03 am
Interesting story shared with me a few weeks back.  Gus laid blame for his offensive woes on someone else, of course that's what you do if you are HC, and all the while he was calling the shots.  That person is gone now.  Sort of what Gus complained about with Houston Nutt.  I guess he learned a lesson.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on October 27, 2017, 01:20:50 pm
Greatest high school coach to ever recruit.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 27, 2017, 01:40:13 pm
Greatest high school coach to ever recruit.

HaHa, funny!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on October 27, 2017, 02:59:21 pm
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-and-jeff-long-may-keep-bret-bielema-on-as-coach-another-year
Eric Bolen is a joke and the worst writer alive.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 27, 2017, 03:08:11 pm
Jeff Long wants the pigs to be everyones homecoming opponent, more exposure for the program!

Lol...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 28, 2017, 05:43:26 am
Razorbacks and the "Ole Miss" 

I don't understand the wait on finding a New HC but Go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 28, 2017, 11:05:07 am
Wonder if they can make a coaching change mid quarter?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on October 28, 2017, 11:24:27 am
64 yard TD by Ole Miss on the 2nd play of the game didn't look promising, now did it?    Goodness. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 28, 2017, 11:31:25 am
Oh Wow!  Pathetic.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 11:34:56 am
Seeing it in person is worse
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 12:00:08 pm
If he isn't gone by the time I get to the truck. IM DONE
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 28, 2017, 12:00:28 pm
What is Bret's buyout cost at halftime of this game?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 28, 2017, 12:02:16 pm
https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/events/26824/box_score
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 28, 2017, 12:24:15 pm
Last TD shouldíve been a touchback for Ole Miss. dodged one there
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 28, 2017, 12:29:55 pm
Wow. Iíve been driving to LR and not listening. Just wow
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 12:36:51 pm
I admire the players not quitting
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 28, 2017, 01:20:44 pm
Mr. Coach Klein is obviously coaching the Hogs.   What an idiot!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 02:04:11 pm
Every opportunity from OM being given for this game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 28, 2017, 02:07:06 pm
What's the score?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 28, 2017, 02:07:48 pm
Ole miss leads 37-35
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 28, 2017, 02:12:29 pm
Any way this ends, ugly sloppy game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on October 28, 2017, 02:13:57 pm
Ole miss leads 37-35
Dang. I thought it was 30-7 at half?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 28, 2017, 02:20:15 pm
Arkansas is positioned for a game winning field goal.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 28, 2017, 02:24:36 pm
Hogs take the lead with four seconds left.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on October 28, 2017, 02:35:43 pm
LOL. ummmm.  Awful win.  I think the bright spot is that TJ Hammonds showed that he should have been touching ball a lot
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 02:49:11 pm
I guess I need to go to more games
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 28, 2017, 03:02:41 pm
Two bad teams with Ole Miss giving the game to Arkansas at the end.  Some dumb playcalling and the turnover allowed UA to be in position to have a shot at a field goal to win it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 28, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
Iím now 2-0 in games I attend this year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 04:18:14 pm
Unreal. Is all I can say
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on October 28, 2017, 10:34:51 pm
Unreal. Is all I can say

Tellin ya. I heard someone say it was the biggest comeback since weve been in sec or maybe ever. JL will prolly offer a contract extension tomorrow mornin. Im proud of our kids and the heart they showed.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 10:47:27 pm
31-7 at one point if I remember correctly. But I was drinking a bunch. My ole miss friend is not a happy camper lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on October 28, 2017, 10:49:25 pm
Well, you should send a thankyou card to Ole Miss and its coaches.  Dumbest second half playcalling and gutless QB down at the goal line. The fumble by Ole Miss for the TD, that's terrible.  I guess they are just worse than we are. We didn't win it off coaching.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2017, 11:08:07 pm
Well, you should send a thankyou card to Ole Miss and its coaches.  Dumbest second half playcalling and gutless QB down at the goal line. The fumble by Ole Miss for the TD, that's terrible.  I guess they are just worse than we are. We didn't win it off coaching.
When that play happened half the folks we were with left. We for sure had some luck with us today. I'll take the win. Still need a coach
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 29, 2017, 07:49:42 am
We had several Hog fans around us and when they fumbled for the scoop and score, several were on their way back and made their way back in.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 29, 2017, 08:35:58 am
I was with several OM fans. It happened so quick. I just stood up on my seat and told them all we were gonna win the game. Confidence comes with the drink apparently lol. They all had their heads down and 3 or so out of the group left. Never saw them again after the game.

That was my first time going to OM, for a football game. I'll probably go a few more times now just for the atmosphere and the grove. Pretty cool spot
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 29, 2017, 08:46:32 am
I donít drink so the Grove didnít do as much for me
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on October 29, 2017, 08:47:29 am
When bert threw the kicker under the bus for missing two field goals (6 points) in a 15 point loss, was it the same kicker who saved his rear yesterday?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on October 29, 2017, 08:47:54 am
No.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 29, 2017, 09:29:34 am
No one should be excited about another bad team literally doing everything in its power to hand us a ball game.... What was that 4th and 1 call we did?? Seriously? What we showed yesterday we will still get pummeled by LSU and Miss State and then the obvious win against Coastal Carolina next week. Then we have a decent shot at home against Mizzou which can lead us to be one of those exciting 5-7 bowl teams.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 29, 2017, 11:06:59 am
Well I'll be glad for the win. Better than losing anyday. It doesn't get my hopes for any of the other games. Rewatching it though OM didn't give us but the one scoop and score. The other turnovers were forced.

I also know OM is bad and so are we. So that evens out.

I have no clue what the two trick play calls were. Crazy at the least.

But down 31-7 we showed a little heart staying in the game in the first place. Getting stops when we needed them. Finally breaking that curse of not winning after trailing at half. Those are all positives.

Again just glad it's a win
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 31, 2017, 08:01:10 pm
So with Mcelwain gone at UF, Jones at TN, Odom at MO, Sumlin and then Luke at OM would there be any coaches left.

UF, TN and A&M are all easier to recruit to. OM may get smashed by the NCAAbut who knows. Looks like the more u follow the rules the more u are punished. See UNC as proof, I know OM is not UNC. But since that story came out the MCAA has suspended at least 3 players from other teams for following the rules.

Way I see it we are at least 4th in the SEC alone if BB is let go, looking less likely. Possibility the SEC gets stronger with good hires and all 3 of those schools are loaded with talent.

So my expectation is we finish with 4 to 5 wins. We go another year with BB. We should improve slightly win 6 or 7. Then there's our progress again rinse and repeat until the other teams at the bottom once again push us back down.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on October 31, 2017, 09:07:18 pm
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22853013_10154788330395740_1445846670224339509_n.jpg?oh=5204efd93a399a712d26cb441ca6d42f&oe=5A737EE4)

Sorry guys, but that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 31, 2017, 10:28:13 pm
Pretty good lol

So Saturday we were headed down to the game. We ended up in the convoy with players busses. My friend who is an ole miss fan and driving just jumps right in on the convoy all the way down to the campus. We were running red lights and all that good stuff.

My friend says he feels like he is in a funeral procession since we were going to watch these two teams play.

I told him we were running through those lights like LBs were going to running through our offensive lines.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on October 31, 2017, 10:37:03 pm
Pretty good lol

So Saturday we were headed down to the game. We ended up in the convoy with players busses. My friend who is an ole miss fan and driving just jumps right in on the convoy all the way down to the campus. We were running red lights and all that good stuff.

My friend says he feels like he is in a funeral procession since we were going to watch these two teams play.

I told him we were running through those lights like LBs were going to running through our offensive lines.

Lol....  that is hilarious.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 01, 2017, 06:24:39 am
Lol....  that is hilarious.
I felt special for just a little while. Lol. Thought we were being pulled over at first but it was just the trooper catching up to lead the Hogs in to oxford.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on November 01, 2017, 01:10:43 pm
+1...lol!!

Its sad that you'd acknowledge his quote, much less give it +1.  smh
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 03:54:52 pm
Right now it's unbelievable
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2017, 04:22:40 pm
Hey, at least they might go in the half with the lead
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 04:25:41 pm
With any luck
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on November 04, 2017, 05:15:50 pm
Didn't ASU beat the brakes off of this team?
Looks like they are going to take their 1.5 million pay off and go home with a win to boot!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 05:32:02 pm
Yep 52-17.

While we sit back in a prevent defense and get picked apart by a back up QB
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2017, 05:45:26 pm
This is the most pathetic thing I have seen.... To a 1-7 team and 0-5 in the Sun Belt??
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 04, 2017, 05:53:55 pm
Wow.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 05:54:26 pm
This should be immediately after the game. There is no reason now, none.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2017, 05:59:09 pm
This should be immediately after the game. There is no reason now, none.

I agree....  There is no reason to keep him after this performance. At this point get the Memphis coach or whoever. Someone that will inspire 18-23 year olds.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2017, 06:10:12 pm
Iím actually laughing. I just checked the score again and couldnít believe it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 04, 2017, 06:10:47 pm
I don't understand for the life of me why Hammonds only has 5 carries.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2017, 06:13:03 pm
I don't understand for the life of me why Hammonds only has 5 carries.

This coaching staff is lost.... Hammonds is the only thing keeping us in the game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2017, 06:15:54 pm
Even if we come back and win, he should be let go immediately. No way we should be struggling against this team. One way or another, itís coaching. Either he hasnít recruited the right players, the right players arenít on the field, or the coaches are clueless. Looks like once again there is no halftime adjustments that clearly coastal carolina school for the blind made
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on November 04, 2017, 06:21:17 pm
Is Austin Allen out for the year? Injured?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2017, 06:25:06 pm
Why in the world is Cantrell running the ball for?? He fumbled it at the goal line and we would have lost... These coaches are morons. I hate to use that kind of language but seriously?? Cantrell??
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 06:31:27 pm
Headline. TJ Hammonds saves BB job. The kid he wouldn't play until every other player was hurt
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on November 04, 2017, 06:39:55 pm
Coach B has Arkansas win 2 in a row!!!

Look for Long to give B another multimillion dollar raise and extension to the 2030 season.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2017, 06:40:50 pm
Either these kids are getting into trouble and we donít know it, thatís why they arenít getting to play, or the coaches have no clue how to evaluate talent. Take for instance the kicker that saved his butt last week but didnít begin the year as the starter
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 06:44:48 pm
Either these kids are getting into trouble and we donít know it, thatís why they arenít getting to play, or the coaches have no clue how to evaluate talent. Take for instance the kicker that saved his butt last week but didnít begin the year as the starter
Makes no sense does it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2017, 06:48:27 pm
None, if you remember way back, drew Morgan didnít step on the field either 3 years ago until he had too because of injuries. Idk if he made all sec the last two years but he definitely was our best hard nosed make a play guy we had.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 04, 2017, 07:28:47 pm
One of the worst college football teams in America right now.  Only thing to make it worse would be kneeling during the anthem.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 04, 2017, 07:46:05 pm
We need new coaches, players, athletic administration.  There is no reason to nearly loose to Coastal.  Frank would have handed him his papers as he left the field.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2017, 10:00:17 pm
Who else has thought about two things where the Coastal Carolina coach won us the game.... First, when he does not go for 2 points when they scored their last TD. I seriously went "what are you doing" cause he needed the lead at 14 points and not 13.... Then when he does not go for it on 4th and inches I said to myself "Well you just lost the upset"...... This is literally two weeks in a row the other team has handed us a 1 point miracle.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 04, 2017, 10:27:59 pm
Better lucky than good I guess. We continue to make high school mistakes. That is what bothers me most. Simple plays like on the fumble they scored on. No block at all like the receiver didn't know the play.

How can he not see that Hammonds is the best back we have and not play him. How can he see these kids every day and not play them. Makes no sense, none and zero.

It's cost him his job that he can't see these simple things. It's like it's in purpose to drive this program into the ground
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 04, 2017, 10:33:53 pm
👎
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2017, 05:35:16 am
Better lucky than good I guess. We continue to make high school mistakes. That is what bothers me most. Simple plays like on the fumble they scored on. No block at all like the receiver didn't know the play.

How can he not see that Hammonds is the best back we have and not play him. How can he see these kids every day and not play them. Makes no sense, none and zero.

It's cost him his job that he can't see these simple things. It's like it's in purpose to drive this program into the ground

Bielema has his little babies. Cantrell is one of them for whatever reason. Much like Brandon, Austin, ďBrooksieĒ Ellis. It gets annoying.


I laughed the entire second half when I finally sat down to watch.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 05, 2017, 07:56:41 am
Bielema has his little babies. Cantrell is one of them for whatever reason. Much like Brandon, Austin, ďBrooksieĒ Ellis. It gets annoying.


I laughed the entire second half when I finally sat down to watch.

I swear Cantrell runs a 5.2 forty lol.... And he still keeps getting the ball.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 05, 2017, 08:08:43 am
I swear Cantrell runs a 5.2 forty lol.... And he still keeps getting the ball.
I mean we have a 4 star fullback that makes a play the one time he touches the ball each game. If he gets in. Cantrell misses a ton of blocks as well, I'm talking complete wiffs
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 05, 2017, 10:55:03 am
Wasn't there a fumble on the one?  take that out and ?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 05, 2017, 05:57:12 pm
Wasn't there a fumble on the one?  take that out and ?
Yes and we just happened to have an OL to be Johnny on the spot or it was game over man, in Bill Paxton voice
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 07, 2017, 07:13:07 am
With the reference to Newton's and Winston's comments over the weekend, it was ironic this showed up in a Facebook memory page.

https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Bolt/Bret-Bielema-says-hes-looking-forward-to-hopping-on-his-wife-40893789
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Valleysports on November 07, 2017, 10:26:19 am
So what's the reason in Arkansas State dominating Coastal, vs Univ of Arkansas getting dominated by Coastal?  Is it Arkansas State's 4-5 star athletes?  Coastal is the worst team in the NCAA Division I FBS Ė Sun Belt - yet playing on the same level as an SEC West School.  Univ of Arkansas needs to reset - think about what it's going to take to get an SEC worthy program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 07, 2017, 11:02:28 am
So what's the reason in Arkansas State dominating Coastal, vs Univ of Arkansas getting dominated by Coastal?  Is it Arkansas State's 4-5 star athletes?  Coastal is the worst team in the NCAA Division I FBS Ė Sun Belt - yet playing on the same level as an SEC West School.  Univ of Arkansas needs to reset - think about what it's going to take to get an SEC worthy program.

+1,000,000,000
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 07, 2017, 03:14:49 pm
Not much to say that hasn't been said already. Very frustrating. It's in the hands of the AD.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 07, 2017, 03:28:59 pm
Not much to say that hasn't been said already. Very frustrating. It's in the hands of the AD.

I have a feeling he is gone after this season as well....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 07, 2017, 04:40:22 pm
We hear and read so many things these days. No telling. People say we shouldn't let things like a football upset us. It's very hard when it's something you are passionate about to not get upset when you know it could and should be better.

No matter what happens I will continue to watch. No matter how hard that will be
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 07, 2017, 10:15:46 pm
We hear and read so many things these days. No telling. People say we shouldn't let things like a football upset us. It's very hard when it's something you are passionate about to not get upset when you know it could and should be better.

No matter what happens I will continue to watch. No matter how hard that will be

Me too. I just cant help it. haha
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 08, 2017, 12:17:46 pm
When you see so much money being poured into it, it's natural you expect big results.  Anybody can get beat for 4.2 million.  You pay big money for a championship caliber team, so you expect what you pay for.  Seems reasonable.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on November 09, 2017, 09:29:52 am
https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2017/11/08/tenure-and-maybe-football-on-the-agenda-for-ua-board-of-trustees

BOT meets today.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 09, 2017, 01:36:35 pm
Big fat zero coming out of that meeting. When the clock strikes zero after the mizzou game we will know something. Unless someone can't keep their mouth shut.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on November 09, 2017, 02:33:36 pm
https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2017/11/08/tenure-and-maybe-football-on-the-agenda-for-ua-board-of-trustees

BOT meets today.
They did meet but by the reports I have read...it doesn't seem as if Coach B or Jeff Long were on the agenda but I guess, they still could have been discussed.  One would hope.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on November 09, 2017, 04:59:12 pm
They did meet but by the reports I have read...it doesn't seem as if Coach B or Jeff Long were on the agenda but I guess, they still could have been discussed.  One would hope.
According to Pig Trail Nation Jeff Long was called in for over two hours.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 09, 2017, 08:39:31 pm
Something is gonna happen. I can assure you they want them seats full. We just have to be patient and let it happen.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 09, 2017, 08:56:13 pm
Something is gonna happen. I can assure you they want them seats full. We just have to be patient and let it happen.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/bret-bielema-wasn-fired-sunday-unlikely-arkansas-makes-move-until-end/unUR9oQd82fEo3Ht4bwlUJ/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 09, 2017, 09:04:24 pm
Sat 2017-11-11
   at   LSU
   10 %
   20   37   



Sat 2017-11-18
   Mississippi St
   12 %
   27   42   



Fri 2017-11-24
   Missouri
   38 %
   39   42



https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 09, 2017, 09:37:36 pm
Domt get me wrong. I never wanted beilema. Thought he was the wrong guy from the beginning. If i had it my way he would be gone 5 years ago. Im juat saying they probably arent firing him until after season so we may as well be patient about it. Im also saying i dont see how they could come to the conclusion that it is best for BB to remain the HC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on November 11, 2017, 01:34:04 pm
Once again it looks like the rout is on! :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 11, 2017, 02:17:48 pm
Once again it looks like the rout is on! :-\

4-6 now... 1-5 in the SEC
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2017, 03:07:09 pm
I started to post at halftime that at least we were keeping it close. Was listening on the radio. We can never get a complete game for whatever reason. Defense keeps us in the first half then give up big plays in the second. The offense sputters pretty much all day or shoots itself in the foot. LSU had a hand in keeping us in there but again we can never capitalize on it.

Hammonds again 3 touchs? I know they didn't produce but how about using him as a decoy or something. But hey I don't get paid 4mil to coach either.

At any rate 4-8 is looking like the most likely outcome. Guess that's better than the 2-10 we were staring at
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 11, 2017, 03:25:32 pm
Changes have to be made. This is embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 11, 2017, 03:27:56 pm
Changes have to be made. This is embarrassing.

"Bret's our guy and we believe in him"

-Jeff Long
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Longfellow on November 11, 2017, 03:38:44 pm
"Bret's our guy and we believe in him"

-Jeff Long
Bretís our guy and I need a beer

- everyone else
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 11, 2017, 03:43:15 pm
Bretís our guy and I need a beer

- everyone else

+1
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 11, 2017, 03:59:41 pm
Bretís our guy and I need a beer

- everyone else
Now thatís funny but itís probably true
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2017, 04:56:22 pm
"Bret's our guy and we believe in him"

-Jeff Long
Well I was already drinking so a little more should wash this statement away. Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on November 11, 2017, 05:58:34 pm
Fitting that LSU got The Boot since it seems neither Long nor Bielema will...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on November 11, 2017, 10:01:14 pm
BB is just lucky the Coastal coach and he Ole Miss coach made some big errors or it would be 2-10.  If he stays I'm moving to Canada.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 11, 2017, 10:23:54 pm
Bretís our guy and I need a beer

- everyone else

Bret's our guy, and I need something stronger than Beer

-HF
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 12, 2017, 09:45:30 am
Cole Kelley was arrested for DWI and reckless driving last night.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 12, 2017, 11:01:41 am
Cole Kelley was arrested for DWI and reckless driving last night.
Wow...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on November 12, 2017, 11:31:47 am
Surprise surprise
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 12, 2017, 11:50:44 am
Cole Kelley was arrested for DWI and reckless driving last night.

You have to be kidding me.... WOW, just wow.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 12, 2017, 11:58:35 am
Looked it up online, and wow it shows he was booked at 8:47 in the morning. So literally stays up all night and then probably about 7 am thinks he is going to drive home. I seriously hope this is not something that becomes a pattern with him. Hopefully he learns a life long lesson from this cause boy is this humbling for him.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 12, 2017, 12:25:13 pm
It is showing careless driving and not wreckless driving which in legality terms is a huge difference. And he refused the test too. I am by no means supporting him cause he was obviously probably drunk and a should have never been driving and out partying until the sun came up  ???...., but strictly speaking in legal terms a good lawyer may get him out of this if the lawyer can prove the initial stop was not justified. A cop can literally pull you over for anything and call it "careless"... I have a hunch he may get out of this or have reduced charges possibly. If having your face plastered all over the internet as a college QB does not humble him I don't know what will. That is not a good look for him as the future QB of the program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 12, 2017, 02:50:51 pm
He's not the first and won't be the last. Hopefully he learns from it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: WPWells on November 12, 2017, 05:50:13 pm
Wonder if a certain #ARPreps quarterback will move up to QB2
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 12, 2017, 06:09:50 pm
At this point does it matter which QB plays
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 12, 2017, 08:27:53 pm
Wonder if a certain #ARPreps quarterback will move up to QB2

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/bielema-announces-depth-chart-in-advance-of-lsu/

Must not be any more Allens in the nepotism tree.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 12, 2017, 09:13:44 pm
Arkansas is just a joke right now.  Kelly is a joke as well.  It's not like he's that good to think he should get away with this.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: The Future on November 13, 2017, 08:02:06 am
Well since Kelley is suspended these final 2 games, I wonder once we get far behind in the 4th quarter if BB will pull Allen out and put in Ty to finally give him some actual playing time.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 13, 2017, 10:28:34 am
Well since Kelley is suspended these final 2 games, I wonder once we get far behind in the 4th quarter if BB will pull Allen out and put in Ty to finally give him some actual playing time.

Probably not.... Just thinking from the standpoint of the hazy eyes of Bert.... he loves him some Allens and will play him every down of Austin's last two athletic games of his life. Bert would cave into the Allens for anything. If only there were more Allens to go where Bert will be line coach next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 13, 2017, 07:36:40 pm
We are liable to see Cantrell at QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2017, 10:41:44 am
You can literally purchase tickets on the online market for 5 or 6 bucks for our last two home games... The heathen in me thinks I will buy some tickets to the Mizzou game so I can see the end of the worst era of Hog football we have seen and so I can get some booing in of the coaching staff on the way out.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 14, 2017, 12:28:21 pm
Why pay. You know someone will be giving those away the day of the game. You'll be able to sit anywhere. Heck may even be able to get into a suite.

I paid nothing for my Olemiss game tickets
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2017, 01:06:51 pm
Why pay. You know someone will be giving those away the day of the game. You'll be able to sit anywhere. Heck may even be able to get into a suite.

I paid nothing for my Olemiss game tickets


You hit the jack pot there with the way that game finished and not having to pay at all.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 14, 2017, 01:24:19 pm
People are trying to give them away left and right down here. No one wants to drive 3 1/2 hours to watch them
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2017, 01:33:38 pm
People are trying to give them away left and right down here. No one wants to drive 3 1/2 hours to watch them

That is just sad BB has demoralized the fan base to that low of a point. Fans from Stuttgart are more excited about driving 3.5 hours to Prairie Grove just 12 miles to the west of the U of A for a high school game than seeing the Hogs play  :o
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 14, 2017, 02:07:23 pm
Tru dat
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 14, 2017, 02:12:55 pm
Seen pictures on Twitter last week of people leaving on trees outside of the stadium cause they couldn't give em away....kinda reminded me of the basketball program when it hit rock bottom
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2017, 02:17:38 pm
Seen pictures on Twitter last week of people leaving on trees outside of the stadium cause they couldn't give em away....kinda reminded me of the basketball program when it hit rock bottom

The 2 SEC win Courtney Fortson days  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 14, 2017, 02:19:45 pm
The 2 SEC win Courtney Fortson days  ;D
The 2 SEC win Courtney Fortson days  ;D

I think he's a star in China now. Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 14, 2017, 02:24:48 pm
I will say he was a speed demon.... But I remember those uncountable out of control shots, dribbles, and passes too well.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 14, 2017, 03:08:22 pm

You hit the jack pot there with the way that game finished and not having to pay at all.
Ate for free and everything. A little gas and time is all I was out. All around good day
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 14, 2017, 10:43:11 pm
Sat
2017-11-18
Mississippi St
   9 %
   23   41   



Fri
2017-11-24
Missouri
   31 %
   37   43

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=295489
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 15, 2017, 09:47:53 am
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/11/jeff_long_out_as_arkansas_athl.html
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 15, 2017, 11:48:25 am
The cookies are starting to crumble
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 15, 2017, 12:21:03 pm
This pretty much confirms the change is coming
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 15, 2017, 02:33:10 pm
The cookies are starting to crumble

I say you apply for AD.... It will certainly be an upgrade.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: cuckoobird on November 15, 2017, 02:38:59 pm
They could pay me a 1/4 of what long is getting and at least have the same thing. Good guy but makes bad decisions!!! Lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on November 15, 2017, 03:59:22 pm
Any truth to the rumor Jeff Longer is no longer the UA AD? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 15, 2017, 04:33:48 pm
Yes he is gone
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on November 16, 2017, 02:22:59 am
I say you apply for AD.... It will certainly be an upgrade.
That wouldn't work at all, he would be trying to date some 13 year old from Prairie Grove!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 16, 2017, 09:56:36 am
That wouldn't work at all, he would be trying to date some 13 year old from Prairie Grove!

He ain't no Roy Moore....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 17, 2017, 01:02:42 pm
Word is there is huge pressure to get Gus.  Not sure about how that happens or if its a good idea.  I hope we do get a good coach if and when BB is no longer here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Jacketman65 on November 18, 2017, 10:39:18 am
Everybody ready for another but kicking today?  Will begin in about 20.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 11:10:50 am
I swear if I hear one more freaking time about how good practice went I'm driving to Fayetteville and taking BBs windbreaker off of him and burning it.

Quote "we were told Allen had his best week of practice" geeesh
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 11:14:56 am
That was a quick turn of events
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 11:19:04 am
Here is the real test
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on November 18, 2017, 11:36:43 am
Wow!  Someone needs to tell them that this ain't New Mexico State!  Can not believe what I am seeing, but it is early.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 11:48:41 am
Don't understand why Williams isn't getting more carries.. Hammonds and Whaley are not hitting the hole
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 12:23:31 pm
Well here is the Hog team we have to come to know. Defense has been on the field the entire first half seems like, they call the stupidest play in the history of Arkansas football offense cannot move the ball at all.

Horrible
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on November 18, 2017, 12:25:47 pm
Don't understand why Williams isn't getting more carries.. Hammonds and Whaley are not hitting the hole
Same here!  However, we are beginning to look like our old selves once again!
I wonder if BB is going to take them to Pizza Hut at halftime?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 12:34:24 pm
Well just when you get your hopes up. Two offensively lineman stand an watch a guy just run right by them to our QB.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on November 18, 2017, 12:40:52 pm
Please explain the one play with Ty Storey.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 12:48:01 pm
There is no explanation.

This second half is going to be bad I believe
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 01:16:11 pm
Another HUGE break
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 01:51:50 pm
Need one good drive offense. Just one
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2017, 02:15:09 pm
Really.... A 2 man route on 4th down?? I liked going for it but a 2 man route lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 02:21:45 pm
Absolutely mind boggling calls by this staff
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 02:25:26 pm
Wasted a great defensive effort and put them in a tough situation.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2017, 02:27:36 pm
Coaching staff if they aren't already should be ashamed of themselves
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2017, 02:28:34 pm
The Gus Bus is getting warmed up.... Headed on its way up to the Hill
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 18, 2017, 02:30:58 pm
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/931982240061550592
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 18, 2017, 08:56:09 pm
Wow we have to deal with another week of this...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 18, 2017, 11:26:59 pm
Does anyone really think Gus would leave Auburn to come to Arkansas?  Program is a mess, recruiting players is much easier at Auburn, national prestige is better at Auburn, pay is better at Auburn, Auburn brings in more money, Auburn has a larger staduim.  Why would he make that move. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 19, 2017, 08:23:13 am
Does anyone really think Gus would leave Auburn to come to Arkansas?  Program is a mess, recruiting players is much easier at Auburn, national prestige is better at Auburn, pay is better at Auburn, Auburn brings in more money, Auburn has a larger staduim.  Why would he make that move.
Supposedly there are reasons but Iím not sure he would here. Sure looks to me like he hates when they are beating our brains in and running it up. Really doesnít matter to me who the next coach is Iíll hope they at least make us competitive.

Especially after yesterdayís presser when B.B. said they had made their mind up at halftime that they got in any short yardage situation they were gonna go for it.

Guess he didnít take in to account we are one of the worst teams in the NCAA at converting in those situations. Then the two calls made to try and make it. He didnít even take in to consideration the position he was putting his defense in. Essential we couldnít give up 20 yards.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 19, 2017, 10:40:05 am
Does anyone really think Gus would leave Auburn to come to Arkansas?  Program is a mess, recruiting players is much easier at Auburn, national prestige is better at Auburn, pay is better at Auburn, Auburn brings in more money, Auburn has a larger staduim.  Why would he make that move. 

Only reason I can think of is it would be a "homecoming" for him...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 19, 2017, 01:36:18 pm
Starting to see the SEC blogs picking up on bielema will be officially fired after the Mizzou game..
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 19, 2017, 03:20:42 pm
Does anyone really think Gus would leave Auburn to come to Arkansas?  Program is a mess, recruiting players is much easier at Auburn, national prestige is better at Auburn, pay is better at Auburn, Auburn brings in more money, Auburn has a larger staduim.  Why would he make that move.
Iím hearing outside of the high demand to win EVERY game, there are personal reasons why he will take the job if or when itís offered regardless of Auburnís outcome this season. We will see...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 24, 2017, 05:49:40 pm
Bielema officially out as head coach. Press conference scheduled for 7:30pm.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 24, 2017, 10:19:38 pm
What a weird year.... No words really right now from me.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 25, 2017, 04:00:11 am
Expected. Maybe not quite like this but Iím pretty sure B.B. knew
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on November 25, 2017, 08:03:26 am
Bye!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 25, 2017, 10:40:37 am
One domino has fallen:  Chip Kelly is hired by UCLA

http://beta.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-ucla-chip-kelly-20171125-story.html
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 25, 2017, 11:32:28 am
Florida waited one week to long
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 25, 2017, 04:10:13 pm
Arkansas better get busy or the best coaches will be gone and we will get another also-ran.  Got to find a great coach, recruiter who will hang around.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 25, 2017, 05:47:44 pm
They said today there wouldnít be a search committee. So Iím assuming they have a list of probably 5 guys for HC. Now if we get turned down by 5 or so guys and have to do a search committee then Itís time to worry.

A few of these guys will have teams playing in conference title games next week
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 25, 2017, 05:59:47 pm
Ok Iím curious. If Auburn wins out(big or small if), I wonder will he stay? I know there are several personal factors going on but you gotta get a sense that Auburn will pay top dollar(Saban money) to stay. So that leads to my next question who is the next favorite selection?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 25, 2017, 06:07:04 pm
Yeah kinda looking like Gus may not be available. If he leaves there he would have to be super unhappy with that job
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 25, 2017, 06:53:33 pm
Yeah kinda looking like Gus may not be available. If he leaves there he would have to be super unhappy with that job
I can say that earlier this season when he lost those games there was a lot of chatter about replacing him and forcing him out. Itís amazing what knocking off two number 1s and a win streak can do in a matter of time. I know heís enjoying his success and wonít rush to make a decision.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 25, 2017, 07:45:04 pm
There was a lot of talk about his being gone if he dropped the Bama game.  I'm not going to care if he doesn't come to Arkansas.  I don't think he will so if he doesn't I don't care.  If he does I'll be a bit surprised and to be honest not real happy either.  I know a lot of people in the state of AR that like him but I know many who do not. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 26, 2017, 03:05:10 pm
Top candidates for the Arkansas job? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 03:26:13 pm
Top candidates for the Arkansas job?

I thought we were going to land Norvell.... But it appears he may go back out to Arizona State where they just fired their coach. Norvell has been at Arizona State so I could see him going back out there. Texas A&M just fired Sumlin, and Miss State is having to replace Mullen now. I did not think Ole Miss would keep their interim coach at all when the year started but they may actually give him a short deal to keep him in place with all the musical chairs going on. What a strange year to say the least.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 26, 2017, 04:01:16 pm
I thought we were going to land Norvell.... But it appears he may go back out to Arizona State where they just fired their coach. Norvell has been at Arizona State so I could see him going back out there. Texas A&M just fired Sumlin, and Miss State is having to replace Mullen now. I did not think Ole Miss would keep their interim coach at all when the year started but they may actually give him a short deal to keep him in place with all the musical chairs going on. What a strange year to say the least.

I seen on Twitter that sumlin may be the next HC at Arizona State....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 04:07:43 pm
So far that has been reported as being false. But that Sis come out before Sumlin was officially fired.

Hearing Norvell is no longer be considered by the Hogs. Some rumors about him. Reading a lot of Kiffen talk. Not sure what to think about that.

I wouldnít expect much on the Hog side to happen until next week. If Aubbie loses to GA that might put Gus back in play, who knows. But there is so much yíall about him that he seems to be the guy the guys up top want.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 04:08:33 pm
I seen on Twitter that sumlin may be the next HC at Arizona State....

Not a bad spot for him too...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:10:29 pm
Just hope UA doesn't make a pick similar to what Tennessee has done.  Schiano!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 04:14:41 pm
News out now that Schiano is backing out. Hasnít liked the reaction of Vol fans. Itís a mess there right now. They actually have protestors lol

Hope that doesnít happen when we make our hire
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:15:30 pm
I thought we were going to land Norvell.... But it appears he may go back out to Arizona State where they just fired their coach. Norvell has been at Arizona State so I could see him going back out there. Texas A&M just fired Sumlin, and Miss State is having to replace Mullen now. I did not think Ole Miss would keep their interim coach at all when the year started but they may actually give him a short deal to keep him in place with all the musical chairs going on. What a strange year to say the least.

Don't be surprised if Sumlin winds up at Arizona State.  Norvell would be a good choice for Arkansas, young guy we may get for a reasonable salary to start and if he is successful may stay a long time, he has some Arkansas ties. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:18:39 pm
News out now that Schiano is backing out. Hasnít liked the reaction of Vol fans. Itís a mess there right now. They actually have protestors lol

Hope that doesnít happen when we make our hire

Good source from UT says its the top admin at UT and the top money booster says they don't like the choice. Emergency meeting to halt the deal.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:19:36 pm
UA needs to get after a 1st and 2nd choice right now.  If not we get leftovers.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 04:24:11 pm
Good source from UT says its the top admin at UT and the top money booster says they don't like the choice. Emergency meeting to halt the deal.
Yep looks like Tenner is still in the market for a coach
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 04:24:56 pm
News out now that Schiano is backing out. Hasnít liked the reaction of Vol fans. Itís a mess there right now. They actually have protestors lol

Hope that doesnít happen when we make our hire

I can see Vols fans right now..... "NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE"  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:26:31 pm
Tenn has no real front runner at this point.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:31:23 pm
Norvell and Memphis are in top 20 now. 16 or so.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 04:33:26 pm
Norvell and Memphis are in top 20 now. 16 or so.

Got to give Memphis some serious props lately the last few years...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 04:43:39 pm
Got to give Memphis some serious props lately the last few years...

Memphis has won 37 games in the past 4 seasons.  Fuentes and then Norvell.  The last 17 years for Memphis has been a big improvement over that time, going back to Coach West and Wynnes DeAngelo Williams.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 26, 2017, 05:49:36 pm
Yeah the worst thing we can do is hire someone out of desperation. On the other, we need to hire both an AD and coach in a timely manner. Recruits are already decommitting but other colleges are playing musical chairs with coaches too. Iím starting to think we might be able to wait on Gus unless he makes a decision within the next week or two which I highly doubt.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 26, 2017, 06:02:12 pm
There some chatter on Twitter about Brent Venables being the leading candidate for Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 06:34:31 pm
Also Norvell has supposedly been offered an extension and raise. Sounds like knows how to play the game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 06:45:20 pm
I hear Venables is staying put for the time being, supposedly waiting on a certain job to open.  Waiting on Gus may cost UA big time, he'll likely stay at Auburn and use UA as a bargaining chip.  If he looses the SEC championship they may want to can him but unlikely now.  He's not going to choose Arkansas over Auburn.   UA needs to be reasonable, Norvell is a hot commodity, he only makes about 1.8 million, its easy to outbid Memphis who has never been known to go too deep into the pocketbook.  Leach would be a good choice as well although he's a different kind of guy.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 26, 2017, 06:59:05 pm
I hear Venables is staying put for the time being, supposedly waiting on a certain job to open.  Waiting on Gus may cost UA big time, he'll likely stay at Auburn and use UA as a bargaining chip.  If he looses the SEC championship they may want to can him but unlikely now.  He's not going to choose Arkansas over Auburn.   UA needs to be reasonable, Norvell is a hot commodity, he only makes about 1.8 million, its easy to outbid Memphis who has never been known to go too deep into the pocketbook.  Leach would be a good choice as well although he's a different kind of guy.

As many people swearing they've got information saying Gus is a done deal as there seems to be....the more it feels like Arkansas is getting played for a pay day by Gus....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 07:45:01 pm
I doubt anyone knows what Gus is really going to do including Gus.  Why would Gus come back to Arkansas?  Auburn is just a better job, more money, more resources, better recruiting.   Only his ego would bring him back.  If he is successful he would likely move on to another bigger payday at some point.  If he is as good as many Arkansas fans think, he knows moving to Arkansas to coach at UA is not the smart move.  I'm afraid if UA waits on him it will be a loss all around.  What do we get left with.  Arkansas needs to go after whoever it wants and make its best offer quickly.  If they don't accept then move on quickly to the next best choice.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 07:46:16 pm
Gus will leave eventually cause he knows the first time he goes 8-4 he is canned.... That fan base is delusional. They have one of the 5 or 6 best coaches in college and they wanted him fired 3 weeks ago because he was 7-2 with 2 losses by a combined 11 points before the UGA game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 07:57:45 pm
UArkansas is in a real mess.  It's a hard place to coach because the fan base is fickle.  They expect more from the program than it can give.  Look at its win loss record since Broyles stopped coaching.  A few guys have done OK but not most.  Heck one of the best coaches as far as win/loss was Houston and half the state couldn't stand him as coach and was thrilled when UA cut him loose.  Will Gus really come here?   I fact will he be successful, can he win 10 a year, the SEC west, the Conference and make it into the bowl championship series in a reasonably quick time frame?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on November 26, 2017, 07:58:07 pm
As many people swearing they've got information saying Gus is a done deal as there seems to be....the more it feels like Arkansas is getting played for a pay day by Gus....

Wasn't he on staff when his head coach did the same thing with Nebraska?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 08:05:28 pm
Thai is JMO on the Gus situation, who I wouldnít mind having. I do t think heís playing as some do. Aubbie isnít paying him more to keep him from leaving. If he said hey Iím gone they would say bye IMO. Whatís happened is after LSU loss he was told he better win out or heís gone. Itís already a strained relationship there. They then play us and there is probably a meeting and Gus or is tested the waters. I think everyone expected either a loss to UGA or Bama after that LSU game for Aubbie. Now Gus isnít going to try and lose games on purpose to try and come here, ego and pride wonít let that happen. Well low and behold they beat two #1 teams back to back and pretty impressively. Heís not gonna come out and say heís leaving when his team is on a run like that. I think all intentions were there on both sides from the LSU game for B.B. to be fired and Gus to be named coach a few days later. Well thatís in the wash now.

I see us waiting until the SECCG. If Auburn loses thereís still a possibility Gus will be the guy. If they win we must absolutely move on someone else
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 26, 2017, 08:07:58 pm
Thai is JMO on the Gus situation, who I wouldnít mind having. I do t think heís playing as some do. Aubbie isnít paying him more to keep him from leaving. If he said hey Iím gone they would say bye IMO. Whatís happened is after LSU loss he was told he better win out or heís gone. Itís already a strained relationship there. They then play us and there is probably a meeting and Gus or is tested the waters. I think everyone expected either a loss to UGA or Bama after that LSU game for Aubbie. Now Gus isnít going to try and lose games on purpose to try and come here, ego and pride wonít let that happen. Well low and behold they beat two #1 teams back to back and pretty impressively. Heís not gonna come out and say heís leaving when his team is on a run like that. I think all intentions were there on both sides from the LSU game for B.B. to be fired and Gus to be named coach a few days later. Well thatís in the wash now.

I see us waiting until the SECCG. If Auburn loses thereís still a possibility Gus will be the guy. If they win we must absolutely move on someone else

Well said all around....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 08:20:38 pm
Not to mention just about every coach on our ďLISTĒ seems to be in a championship game
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 08:24:05 pm
Let's say we wait until the SEC championship game, he wins he makes the championship series, another couple of weeks.  So we are into the new year and waiting on Gus to pick us.  When Auburn decides to keep him where do we look for a coach at that point.  All the other schools that are eliminated will be hiring during that time and what leftover coaches do we have to pick from?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 08:31:47 pm
Ole Miss is keeping Matt Luke as the new HC.  Not a hire I'd make but you see the hiring is underway, UCLA, Florida, Ole Miss,
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 08:54:32 pm
Let's say we wait until the SEC championship game, he wins he makes the championship series, another couple of weeks.  So we are into the new year and waiting on Gus to pick us.  When Auburn decides to keep him where do we look for a coach at that point.  All the other schools that are eliminated will be hiring during that time and what leftover coaches do we have to pick from?
Thats what Iím saying. If Gus wins we must move on. There are a few other coaches on our list, second or third options letís say, that are in title games as well. They probably wonít leave before those title games which truthfully carry more weight than a bowl game. Most coaches will leave before a bowl game though. We would then see us move on a hire.

Again just my opinion

Again
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 09:02:15 pm
You may be right that other coaches we would be interested in are possibly playing in championship games, most notably Norvell at Memphis.  I don't think we can afford to wait on Gus because I really don't see him coming to Arkansas.. Lots of reasons but I think the end is he stays at Auburn.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 09:03:16 pm
Ole Miss is keeping Matt Luke as the new HC.  Not a hire I'd make but you see the hiring is underway, UCLA, Florida, Ole Miss,
Yes it is. But UCLA, Kelly wasnít coaching anyone. FL, Mullenís wasnít going to any meaningful bowl game. Ole miss makes since they are about to get smoked by the NCAA so who really wants that job until they see what the sanctions are.

If our main targets were guys not involved in title games we would already have had a coach I think.

Now after Saturdayís championship games and more than a week goes by then we have missed on a bunch of guys
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 09:06:54 pm
You may be right that other coaches we would be interested in are possibly playing in championship games, most notably Norvell at Memphis.  I don't think we can afford to wait on Gus because I really don't see him coming to Arkansas.. Lots of reasons but I think the end is he stays at Auburn.
Lots of rumors around right now and one is that we are going to pass on Norvell. We will see.

But who really knows we could wake up and there be coach at the podium
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 26, 2017, 09:09:04 pm
Hate to think we could wind up in that postion.  Maybe we can get a committment from one of those guys agents, but that means we cannot wait on Gus.  If we are willing to wait on him it may mean waiting until Jan and that could be really bad.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2017, 10:24:23 pm
We could have an agreement already in place well. Possibly waiting to announce after this coming weekend
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 26, 2017, 10:32:39 pm
Just a thought. What about that cat at Iowa state? He must be a pretty good coach.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 09:05:26 am
I donít know much about him. Have heard his name tossed around. But as of now I havenít seen much on him being connected to us just yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on November 27, 2017, 09:44:23 am
Just a thought. What about that cat at Iowa state? He must be a pretty good coach.

I thought I had heard somewhere that his buyout is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 27, 2017, 09:47:18 am
Just a thought. What about that cat at Iowa state? He must be a pretty good coach.

His buyout is like 10million$ I think.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 09:55:19 am
I think I read that too
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 09:58:49 am
Looked it up $9.4mil. Probably the reason you havenít heard his name much.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 27, 2017, 10:13:38 am
Looked it up $9.4mil. Probably the reason you havenít heard his name much.

He ain't going anywhere.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 27, 2017, 11:34:36 am
So a really hot topic.  I'm in the Leach, Norvell camp.  Who knows who we end up with.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 12:24:42 pm
Info out today. Take it with a grain of salt and I may have already mentioned. Our two main targets are coaching this weekend both HCs. That knocks out Leach. No Ken is real sure on The Norvell rumors. Iím not as high on Norvell as some are.

So that leaves Gus and Kiffin. I would think both of these guys have more connections than Norvell.

Iím fine with any of these 3 guys though. Supposedly will be named within 10 days of the from Saturday.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 12:29:48 pm
As long as we donít pull a TEnner when we hire someone we should be ok lol
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 27, 2017, 12:46:43 pm
As long as we donít pull a TEnner when we hire someone we should be ok lol

Well I don't know the inside scoop but, do you think Gus would leave Auburn for Arkansas if it is his choice to stay?  If so, why?  Kiffen, well it doesn't take much looking to find out that he has a reputation of being a bit of a rounder?  I don't know the story that is supposed to be out about Norvell but I doubt it compares to Kiffen.  I guess if you look very hard you can find some dirt on anybody, true or not.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 01:18:58 pm
Oh yeah each candidate has some issue or weakness.

I dont know if Gus will leave. It just really seems like thatís  who they want on the Hill.

The rumor on Norvell is he has a sports gambling problem. I donít think anyone has confirmed that as of yet. So who knows if it is true. Memphis is trying really hard to keep him by offering him an extension and raise.

Kiffen is for sure arrogant. He did Tenner wrong, USC and him had a falling out and then he turned Bamas offense even more deadly. He may see this as his last chance to jump back in to P5 coaching.

At any rate that looks like the choices. Could be a surprise come out of the woodwork. But that didnít work so well for us here recently. Cause supposedly the interim AD is the one who spilled the beans about the timeline of the hire
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 27, 2017, 03:01:05 pm
One thing for sure, whoever participates in this selection better get it right or the program may never recover.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 27, 2017, 03:06:11 pm
One thing for sure, whoever participates in this selection better get it right or the program may never recover.

I agree... On the other hand the SEC West is primed for the taking for someone. You have Miss State who will be replacing the best coach they ever had which will be tough. Ole Miss pretty much stayed with what they have since they are on probation so he can ride the ship the next 2 to 4 years. Plus, Texas A&M is replacing a coach as well. Then I even keep forgetting that Saban can not do this forever. I think the right hire under the circumstances of the future of the SEC West could see us have a 10 win season in the next 4 or 5 years if we get this right. That is why I have no clue why Auburn fans even want Gus gone. He can keep Auburn steady enough that they minimum win 9 wins every year the next half decade. That fan base baffles me how they do not like him. I do believe in the next 4 or 5 years we will see Florida with Mullen and Georgia shift some of the power to the East again which will help the Hogs. We rarely play UGA or the Gators so I think the Hogs have a chance moving forward if they can get it right.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 03:27:49 pm
One thing for sure, whoever participates in this selection better get it right or the program may never recover.
Very important hire
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 03:33:12 pm
Truthfully we risk becoming Vanderbilt of the West if this goes bad. Just without the scholastic awards. Only Tenner was worse this year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 27, 2017, 03:41:06 pm
That is why I have no clue why Auburn fans even want Gus gone.

If you get away from northwest Arkansas you find less fascination with Gus.  The fact the Auburn may want him gone and is less crazy about him is a reason to take a closer look.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 03:45:22 pm
If you get away from northwest Arkansas you find less fascination with Gus.  The fact the Auburn may want him gone and is less crazy about him is a reason to take a closer look.
Auburn is like that with every coach. See Gene Chizik a NC and one year later poof
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 27, 2017, 04:07:21 pm
And we can’t forget we need an AD! I’ve heard if Gus comes along, he will almost “handpick” the next person. One thing I’m definitely in agreement with is we need guys whom have ties to our state or we will regret the new hires big time.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 04:56:52 pm
Iíve also heard Norvell and Bowen are a package deal from Memphis. We will see though.

No matter who we hire we will have to be patient. At the minimum showing improvement year over year in development and being competitive would help with that
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 27, 2017, 06:48:51 pm
Bowen may not be a bad add on.  He has raised the most money ever for the UM athletic department and completely rebuild the structure of the dept hiring Norvell and Tubby Smith as basketball coach.  Also has overseen several building projects for football and basketball.  Not quite on the scale of UA as far as money but still impressive for a smaller D1 program that is challenging in both sports at the national level.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 10:18:46 pm
Right now Tubby is looking like a bust. Going on what two year now, has signed 0 top 150 recruits and only one high school player. Thats Connor Vanover who is in the 300s. Let the Lawsonís go and Memphis folks are not happy with Tubby.

Now his football hires seem good. Heís getting the money in. The new basketball practice facility is supposed to super nice.

More rumors pointing to Norvell being the guy now
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 27, 2017, 10:53:02 pm
Bobby Petrino was a suprise. Bret Beleima was a surprise. I honestly think we will all be surprised this time too. I just hope its a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 27, 2017, 11:21:12 pm
I think this time if itís as much as a surprise as those two were. I donít think may fans will be happy. Would mean we missed on a bunch of our main targets.

Probably have to get past 6 or 7 guys for that to happen though imo. Hopefully we donít have to go that deep
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 28, 2017, 11:46:50 am
Rumors flying all over the place this morning.  the latest.  Two groups said to represent the UA coaching search making contacts.  One group said to be big boosters and influential donors have sights on Malzahn or Norvell.  Malzahn would have to loose on Saturday to give this option any legs.  Norvell is a solid choice.  The other group is UA admin representatives, they reportedly have reached out to Venables and Morris.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 12:59:50 pm
Yeah these idiots have turned this in to a cluster and are going to put us under the gun.

Why canít these fools get on the same page. We have 4 or 5 good candidates and they are going to run them all off. No hire has been more crucial as this one.

Meanwhile Tenner has quickly rebounded and Gundy is on a flight to Knoxville to interview/negotiate

Idiots no wonder we canít ever get things going our way.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 28, 2017, 01:02:38 pm
Yeah these idiots have turned this in to a cluster and are going to put us under the gun.

Why canít these fools get on the same page. We have 4 or 5 good candidates and they are going to run them all off. No hire has been more crucial as this one.

Meanwhile Tenner has quickly rebounded and Gundy is on a flight to Knoxville to interview/negotiate

Idiots no wonder we canít ever get things going our way.

That would be a great hire for Tennessee.... I was only dreaming we could land him here but that ain't happening obviously now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 01:17:25 pm
That would be a great hire for Tennessee.... I was only dreaming we could land him here but that ain't happening obviously now.
Heard that on the radio at lunch. David Cutcliffe flat out turned them down.

As far as our search. Supposedly we have hired search firms. Some think this is because we have missed on all candidates, which may be false as the Norvell gambling problem has since been proving false.

Supposedly the search firms are to vet our AD and head coach finalists. Hoping this is the truth and not the cluster of a search itís being made out to be. We do know they want Gus. But at some point you have to just say hey win or lose do you want to be here. I want the guy who wants the job, not the guy who wants it just because heís always hanging on one game. Same with Norvell.

Both these guys know if they want this job. If not next man up. Vet them and put this out there to them
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 02:05:46 pm
Maybe a calm to the storm here, more rumors. New AD to be announced tomorrow, supposedly an AD at a P5 already but who knows all those guys.

Big money still waiting on Gus. He has until Sunday to decide win or lose.

Search firm is for Norvel/Kiffin/Morris. Norvell wants the job.

For what itís worth this guy call the firing of JL.

My gripe is that they let JCP get out in from of everyone and say she could make this hire without a committee. I know this is firm. But when most of us folks donít necessarily understand what that dime does it can throw folks in to a panic.

Hey UofA just step out and say we have our list narrowed, we have these folks vetting these guys so we can make on offer. Mic drop and walk off
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 28, 2017, 02:48:14 pm
Problem is that the big names know you will wait on them and they in turn will milk it for all its worth.  Norvell got red flagged by Ole Miss after he told them NO!  That caused the gambling rumor.  Sources say he's pretty clean.  Kiffen has baggage and if you look you find it easy.  Not sure we want to go down the Petrino problems from what I hear.  Malzahn is going to make us wait and then likley say NO.   The hire of Venables will be a temporary until he gets a better offer.  Morris has a losing record and I doublt UA fans would look at that as a smart move at this point.  You have to think recruiting. 
I hear Gundy may have talked to UT last night in the Big D.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 28, 2017, 03:01:06 pm
I believe Norvell's wife is a Fort Smith native and he did attend and coach at UCA.  If it impresses anyone he got hired at Tulsa while Gus was the OC.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 05:09:39 pm
Gundy and Tenner talked on the phone last night. Meeting today in Dallas. Thatís been confirmed.

My thoughts on the coaches mentioned.

Gus- should we wait Iím not sure. I understand the position he is in is tough. But when we offered him he should take in to account the potential of winning a title. Basically he has to ask himself if he wins an NC would he come here. If we are a fallback, which it looks like, I donít want him to come. Same with all the rest on this point. They have to want the job. Another drawback to this hire would be we may never be able to get rid of him if needed.

Norvell- wants the job by what we hear. Heís done good at Memphis. But Memphis was rolling before him and we arenít. Can he bring that spark and turn this thing around. A lot of people think he can. Looks like he can score points.

Kiffin- Iím sure he has some baggage. And yes he would probably be here only a few years. But he called us so he has to interested. If he did well before he moved along then the guy above may still be interested if done correctly.

Morris- would be further down my list. Heís improved SMU but still 7-5 at his best point. So t know much about him other than that.

Any of the first 3 would be good hires IMO. Morris doesnít knock it out of the park for me. If we do that we should Venables a shot from Clemson.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 28, 2017, 05:17:24 pm
Iím not gonna lie, all this talk about these potential moves have me excited about a new era on the hill. I see very good things for our program if the right decisions are made.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Thereís always hope
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 28, 2017, 09:21:27 pm
I think Gus is the snag in the hire.  There are certainly a number of people in NWA who would think we had the second coming if we hired Gus.  They will be willing to wait until he makes a decision which could be after the NC game.  Now, think logically.  If you were at Auburn would you leave for Arkansas?  Norvell seems to really want this job, it's a move up to the SEC.  If you wait you lose.  Nobody we hire is a for sure thing.  UA is in a mess, it is not historically a great program.  There have been plenty of coaches that did not win many games.  Winning here is going to be like all schools, recruiting great talent and right now I'd say we are a long way from great talent.  That recruitment means 2-3 years before we start to straighten out.  Some of the coaches like Gus, like Kiffen, even Venables I believe will not look at this as a long term job.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 10:18:39 pm
Norvell, Kiffen and Gus arenít going anywhere until after Saturday. Morris maybe if Jimbo doesnít take A&M.

We only miss in Norvell if he signs an extension before Saturday. If he really wants it no rush in him doing that. He has a good job and that contract will for sure be there after Saturday.

I donít think this will take long to turn around with the right guy. Even after that disaster of a first year B.B. had some success and we actually looked competitive. He would still be here if we had remotely looked competitive.

GM has until Sunday. Then itís get off the pot time.

Iíd take 4 or 5 good years of any coach as long as we arenít having to fire them. If they are leaving us for better jobs that hopefully means we are winning.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 28, 2017, 11:01:27 pm
I agree. You hire the best available candidate. If hes successful amd leaves, You again hire the best available candidate. Ill never believe its necessary for it to take a couple years to greatly improve. When Houston got here it was in sad shape. Uuuuuuuh, im pretty sure if Clint hadnt fumbled we quite possibly could have played for a natl title houstons first year. No slap to clint. He was a big reason we were even in that position. Anyway, if Norvell is ready get him here now. He was my one of my favorites early on.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 28, 2017, 11:08:31 pm
Really looking like the AD is a done deal. May find out tomorrow. The interim tag to be removed supposedly.

We shall see
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 29, 2017, 05:56:47 am
Gundy turned down Tenner.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 29, 2017, 09:44:38 am
I don't know if this is going to turn around quickly. Program and talent level is down, will take a couple years at least of top level recruiting. In that I want to see consistent winning and not a good year and then a bad year and so on.  If we keep changing coaches every few years we cannot get consistently good.   Need someone who wants to be here and who plans to stay a long time, if he's winning.  The U needs to be prepared to pay to keep that person, not pay for a losing tenure. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2017, 10:09:30 am
Th Olinís is where we are missing talent. Now thatís a big piece for sure.

But there is talent on this roster. Severely misused and poorly coached. This developed a losing culture and attitude amongst the players.

Do we have the depth of talent we need, no. But there is enough talent here to build on with the right guy.

Who will bring a winning attitude, new excitement for the players and just maybe they put these players in the right position to succeed.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 29, 2017, 10:21:56 am
I'd question more than just Oline, defense is not great and in the SEC you have to have great defensive play to win it.  Also we make errors at skilled positions, QB's for sure, now you may blame it on coaching but by all accounts the players liked the staff and they sure didn't respond to the coaches with how they played.  Lack of coaching or lack of talent and drive.  A college athlete shouldn't need to be cajoled into playing hard. 

Question remains, who do we get as AD, I hear the interim is going to be the permanent AD.  Who do we hire as HC and WHEN?  We need to get started, beating the bushes for some studs.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 29, 2017, 12:01:38 pm
Gus is coaching the highest ranked team in our hunt right now and then Norvell with Memphis at #16.  Also the only time in about eighty years that Memphis has had a 10 game winn season.   

On another note, can you believe how much trouble UT is haveing in fiinding a coach?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2017, 12:24:39 pm
They just hired Jeff Brohm
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2017, 12:37:14 pm
I'd question more than just Oline, defense is not great and in the SEC you have to have great defensive play to win it.  Also we make errors at skilled positions, QB's for sure, now you may blame it on coaching but by all accounts the players liked the staff and they sure didn't respond to the coaches with how they played.  Lack of coaching or lack of talent and drive.  A college athlete shouldn't need to be cajoled into playing hard. 

Question remains, who do we get as AD, I hear the interim is going to be the permanent AD.  Who do we hire as HC and WHEN?  We need to get started, beating the bushes for some studs.
Really both lines need depth. BB was a players coach. To me that leads to not holding players accountable. The team basically quit in several games this year. Thatís a losing culture.

Kids are going to make mistakes. But a senior shouldnít make as many as AA did. Our lines seemed to just totally miss blocks at key times. Our skill guys were mostly freshman.

IMO itís going to come down to this. Can one of these guys take what talent we have, eliminate the bad stuff. Then letís say they recruit at just our average, mid 20ís, and turn that in to winning competitive football. I donít think any new coach is coming in here and getting top 10 classes. So we are going to have to win with coaching, development and kids playing hard the entire game.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 29, 2017, 02:16:47 pm
They just hired Jeff Brohm

Not so fast!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2017, 03:07:44 pm
Not so fast!
I just saw. Deal is now off. Supposedly the chancellor wanted a lower buyout after Brohm had signed. AD went back to Brohm and he refused.

How fast things can change
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 29, 2017, 03:10:14 pm
On a positive note.... It appears no matter what we end up doing it can not be as bad as Tennessee's situation....LOL
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 29, 2017, 08:13:38 pm
What a joke. But its funny to me. Dont care much for them anyway
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2017, 09:01:31 pm
The problem with ours is everyone thinks they are in charge. Like 4 searches going on.

Interim AD is looking at coaches- she has her picks

Chancellor is looking for and AD- he wants the to remove the interim tag

BOT and money guys are looking for both and they have other picks that what the other two want
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 29, 2017, 09:15:32 pm
Everyone laugh at Tennessee.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 29, 2017, 09:39:16 pm
Tennessee is a great program. Nut they are making themselves look real stupid
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 29, 2017, 11:24:27 pm
How can TN be unable to hire a HC?  It must be a mess in the Athletic Dept administration. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 30, 2017, 06:11:57 am
I made a joke to one of my friends as soon as I heard Schiano was going to be their HC.

I told him Knoxville will burn and fans were going to riot. I knew at the least they wouldnít be happy.

Nothing supposedly was ever proven on Schiano or was proven false or he would have been investigated in all that Sandusky crap. Tenner fans used that as the reason to do what they did. However letís face it the real reason they did this is because he wasnít the homerun hire they wanted. Clay Travis was one of the media guys that started that crap as well. He was unapologetic on the radio about it, but wait folks Gundy had some issues in his past as well. Only difference is Gundy has won football games.

Gundy turning them down isnít that bad of a deal. Heís done that to everyone it seems and he was trolling them like he has other folks in the past to try and get more money.

The Brohm thing sure does look bad now. But they can blame everyone from the little fan on the street all the way up to their state reps. Brohm May have taken the lower buyout if those fans, media and reps hadnít of done like they did. Announce your displeasure by not buying tickets.

They may still be able to land a decent coach but who knows now.

I want everyone to remember this when we finally make our hire. I think itís okay to say you arbor happy with it. But letís not pull and HN scenario or a TN thing when it happens.

We all showed some form of displeasure with B.B. before he was fired. But what got him gone were those empty seats. Which would have been empty next year as well and the decision makers new this and wouldnít stand by and watch it happen. Another guy was gonna so he went to.

Not everyone is gonna be happy with who we hire
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on November 30, 2017, 08:49:12 am
I made a joke to one of my friends as soon as I heard Schiano was going to be their HC.

I told him Knoxville will burn and fans were going to riot. I knew at the least they wouldnít be happy.

Nothing supposedly was ever proven on Schiano or was proven false or he would have been investigated in all that Sandusky crap. Tenner fans used that as the reason to do what they did. However letís face it the real reason they did this is because he wasnít the homerun hire they wanted. Clay Travis was one of the media guys that started that crap as well. He was unapologetic on the radio about it, but wait folks Gundy had some issues in his past as well. Only difference is Gundy has won football games.

Gundy turning them down isnít that bad of a deal. Heís done that to everyone it seems and he was trolling them like he has other folks in the past to try and get more money.

The Brohm thing sure does look bad now. But they can blame everyone from the little fan on the street all the way up to their state reps. Brohm May have taken the lower buyout if those fans, media and reps hadnít of done like they did. Announce your displeasure by not buying tickets.

They may still be able to land a decent coach but who knows now.

I want everyone to remember this when we finally make our hire. I think itís okay to say you arbor happy with it. But letís not pull and HN scenario or a TN thing when it happens.

We all showed some form of displeasure with B.B. before he was fired. But what got him gone were those empty seats. Which would have been empty next year as well and the decision makers new this and wouldnít stand by and watch it happen. Another guy was gonna so he went to.

Not everyone is gonna be happy with who we hire
Very well said. I along with the majority would love to have someone long term but the way positions are these days especially the high profile ones doesnít suggest that likely to happen. In the meantime, we as fans have to continue to voice our opinions and support the program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 30, 2017, 09:14:32 am
I would be open to a lot of different hires but I'm skeptical of the judgement of the UA.  Past hires have been sketchy at best and we want to win and win big and for a long time. Sure,that is a given, but hiring someone who we know is unlikely to hang around is not a smart move.  A bandaid from the beginning instead of a transplant will not stop a failed heart.   
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 30, 2017, 11:31:36 am
The fans need to be speaking out about what type coach they want and even who they would like to see as the new HC.  Supporting every choice the universtity might make shouldn't be a must.  It's giving them a blank check.  This is going to be the most important hire in a long time and going into the future its going to have long lasting impact.  Have to get it right.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on November 30, 2017, 01:10:15 pm
I would be open to a lot of different hires but I'm skeptical of the judgement of the UA.  Past hires have been sketchy at best and we want to win and win big and for a long time. Sure,that is a given, but hiring someone who we know is unlikely to hang around is not a smart move.  A bandaid from the beginning instead of a transplant will not stop a failed heart.

Best available candidate is who we need. Anyone they hire cpuld leave tomoro for all we know. Why hire less tham the best when you camt be certain how long any of them will stay. I mean if they leave here it would be for an awesome job. If an awesome place wants him it woupd be because he has proven it can be done here. If he proves that we will all be happy. BEST AVAILABLE CANDIDATE.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 30, 2017, 01:19:05 pm
As I said you can voice your displeasure all you want. But look at what trouble TN is having after what they did. Emptying the sheets works just as good without all the negative attention.

Iím hoping itís rumors/smokescreens about Morris being the guy. I donít think he should be our first option after Gus. Which looks more likely that he is staying put.

Iím just not sure if he has the name to kick up and/or at least keep recruiting where itís ranked now.

Please donít give me his improving record over the past three years. We improved the first 3 under BB and look where we are. SMU has two bad years before he took over. So looks like more of the same to me.

I mean heck Iíd almost take Sumlin before Morris
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 30, 2017, 03:27:30 pm
Derrick Gragg AD?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on November 30, 2017, 04:23:27 pm
Derrick Gragg AD?
Home Run hire!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on November 30, 2017, 04:40:04 pm
Not yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on November 30, 2017, 05:17:30 pm
I'm not real familiar with Gragg, what makes him a "home run" hire? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 05:23:44 pm
I'm not real familiar with Gragg, what makes him a "home run" hire? 

Worked under Broyles
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 30, 2017, 05:27:29 pm
Just listening to Pat Dye on the Bo Mattingly show epitomized why I believe Gus will be in Fayetteville by Monday night if he loses to Georgia on Saturday.... He literally just gave the coordinators all the credit for Auburn's success. Gus has such an ego that I believe he wants to give Auburn the middle finger and leave. I even believe we could get him if he makes the playoff. People will disagree with this in huge numbers, but if he wins Saturday we should wait until January for him. He will come if we really want him. He has that much of an ego.... He remembers the way Auburn has treated him the last few years.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on November 30, 2017, 06:00:06 pm
Worked under Broyles
Not just that, he played football at Vandy and has been at Michigan as well as other schools in the Admin department.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 06:00:48 pm
Not just that, he played football at Vandy and has been at Michigan as well as other schools in the Admin department.

I posted the, in many people's opinions, important part
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 30, 2017, 06:02:04 pm
Not yet.
Yeah seems some folks were a little early. Seems we are trying to out do Tenner
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on November 30, 2017, 06:51:44 pm
I can't think of a better AD replacement than Gragg. Was Broyles number two for seven years. Got his doctorate at the UA. Has nearly 25 years experience in administration and has been an AD for over ten years. He already knows the program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on November 30, 2017, 06:53:49 pm
I can't think of a better AD replacement than Gragg. Was Broyles number two for seven years. Got his doctorate at the UA. Has nearly 25 years experience in administration and has been an AD for over ten years. He already knows the program.

I was pleased when they said he got it... I hope that he really does end up the man because now reports are they are still looking around. Again, I hope it is his to take.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: VHSCoach2 on November 30, 2017, 08:57:16 pm
Looks like U of A's new Athletic Director is going to be current Tulsa AD Derrick Gragg.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 30, 2017, 10:20:53 pm
Best available candidate is who we need. Anyone they hire cpuld leave tomoro for all we know. Why hire less tham the best when you camt be certain how long any of them will stay. I mean if they leave here it would be for an awesome job. If an awesome place wants him it woupd be because he has proven it can be done here. If he proves that we will all be happy. BEST AVAILABLE CANDIDATE.
Just listening to Pat Dye on the Bo Mattingly show epitomized why I believe Gus will be in Fayetteville by Monday night if he loses to Georgia on Saturday.... He literally just gave the coordinators all the credit for Auburn's success. Gus has such an ego that I believe he wants to give Auburn the middle finger and leave. I even believe we could get him if he makes the playoff. People will disagree with this in huge numbers, but if he wins Saturday we should wait until January for him. He will come if we really want him. He has that much of an ego.... He remembers the way Auburn has treated him the last few years.

Getting the Best Available candidate is fine, but if you wait until too long, January, the Best Available may not be very good.  If you have been paying attention a lot of coaches are playing games with major universities to help themselves get better deals right where they currently are coaching.  You called it correctly, Gus has a monster ego and that might lead him to take the UA job, it will not keep him here.  If he wins on Saturday he will not come to Fayetteville unless he feels the pressure to get out.  There are still a good number of Auburn fans that hope he will be gone.  I think waiting is a bad thing, a huge gamble.  Of course getting someone like Morris is no great catch at this point, he's 13 and 23 right now I think.  Do we really have to hire a guy with a losing record?  How is that going to help attract recruits.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 30, 2017, 11:13:59 pm
We absolutely positively cannot wait on any coach until January. Not unless it is announced publicly. To big of a risk. Donít need another John L situation.

Need someone on the recruiting trail building relationships and getting at least the two decommit spots filled.

If the BOT gets their way and it looks that way Iíd the AD hire holds up Morris is in down the list.

Supposedly he was the one that Peoples wanted. If he was the leader in the clubhouse he could already be on campus.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 01, 2017, 02:52:22 am
Morris may be ok, but he may be a very slow rebuild. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 01, 2017, 03:28:59 am
Latest reports show Tenn is talking with Les. Might not be a bad hire if it works out...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 05:55:55 am
Latest reports show Tenn is talking with Les. Might not be a bad hire if it works out...

Would be great if Leach gives them the thanks but no thanks treatment like Gundy did...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 01, 2017, 07:16:30 am
Would be great if Leach gives them the thanks but no thanks treatment like Gundy did...
Well looks like Leach will be introduced tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 07:32:22 am
Well looks like Leach will be introduced tomorrow.

Link?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 09:02:22 am
Well looks like Leach will be introduced tomorrow.

Tennessee just fired their AD....sooo
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 01, 2017, 10:17:23 am
Would be great if Leach gives them the thanks but no thanks treatment like Gundy did...

Would be good for who?  Remember UT and UA are mirror images right now.  If Leach tells them no I would hope its because he's coming to UA.  I want a strong SEC and I have UT friends.  Of course they say the same things about UA, LOL. 
Currie really messed up with the big money donors but there is also a push by some donors and lots of fans to stifle the influence of certain big money donors.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 10:21:18 am
Would be good for who?  Remember UT and UA are mirror images right now.  If Leach tells them no I would hope its because he's coming to UA.  I want a strong SEC and I have UT friends.  Of course they say the same things about UA, LOL. 
Currie really messed up with the big money donors but there is also a push by some donors and lots of fans to stifle the influence of certain big money donors.

I'm not particularly a fan of Arkansas football at this moment....bielema needed to go, not sure about Jeff Long...and felt like the hogs had no game plan other than to fire people, and crossed their fingers that Gus Malzahn would beg for the job


Even then....Arkansas playing a waiting game with Gus, looks alot better than the train wreck of a coaching search in Knoxville, which resulted in their athletic director getting canned this morning...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 01, 2017, 12:11:46 pm

There is no indication that Gus intends to come to Arkansas.  Waiting may be just a delay in having to hire a left over.  BTW, Leach seems to be out at UT.  Too many chiefs up there creating havoc. What do we have here?  How many committes in search of a coach?  Who is in our sights other than Gus?
One thing about it, I bet lots of Arkansas fans watch the SEC championship game on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 01, 2017, 02:53:49 pm
Whatís actually good is itís finally pretty quiet on our search except for a few trolls.

The AD thing someone got out in front of their mouth on.

Iíll assume same targets. But just a few folks saying stuff to get clicks and calls for the most part.

Iíd expect chatter tomorrow especially after the clock hits zero on the SEC game.

Sunday through Monday we may catch up to Tenner in attempted hires
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on December 01, 2017, 03:46:09 pm
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2017/12/01/florida-state-coach-jimbo-fisher-leaving-take-texas-a-m-head-coaching-job/898018001/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 07:03:12 am
Also rumor in the middle of the night that Gus signed his extension with Aubbie and should be announced before title game.

We shall see
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 07:25:42 am
Also BB gets 11.8 mil in buyout negotiation.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 09:01:56 am
We may be going in to new territory here pretty soon. Maybe not today. Slabach just said he was told that Arkansas is going to empty the brinks truck to try and get Gus.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 02, 2017, 06:06:20 pm
With a banged up Kerrion Johnson Auburn looks completely out of sorts.... 28-7 Georgia right now.... We will be welcoming the Gus Bus in less than 48 hours to Fayetteville is my prediction.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 06:13:09 pm
I believe you are correct
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on December 02, 2017, 06:58:14 pm
It's Rock City Times ;D

http://www.rockcitytimes.com/malzahn-admits-to-throwing-sec-championship-game-to-take-razorback-job/
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 07:31:15 pm
In the presser after he said he wanted to be the coach at Auburn next year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: PrivateLesson on December 02, 2017, 07:38:22 pm
Gus lost his bargaining power with Auburn, IMO. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on December 02, 2017, 07:48:36 pm
http://katv.com/sports/hog-central/gus-malzahn-addresses-arkansas-rumors-following-sec-championship-loss
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 02, 2017, 08:22:33 pm
I truly believe if Gus is not announced our head coach within the next week he will stay at Auburn. He was asked right after a tough loss which doesnít mean much. Weíll see...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 02, 2017, 11:05:47 pm
He was in a tough spot but I actually got to watch it. He looked like he was meaning what he was saying.

Believe the question was. So if arkansas offers you would you take it, or something like that.

I want to be the coach at Auburn

So you are going to be the coach at Auburn

I want to be the coach at Auburn next year.


You can call it coach speak or whatever. But thatís to me means he doesnít want to be here.

If he was entertaining the idea. One would think the answer would be something like. We just took a tough loss here and Iím not even thinking about that right now.

So we will see but I want the best guy who wants this job not just the money. I know it plays a big part but man show us you want it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ctucker on December 03, 2017, 12:45:38 pm
The only way he comes is if Auburns fans run him off!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 03:18:47 pm
And it sounds like they are. Plus they arenít will to give him the power that it sounds like we are about to do
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: High Voltage on December 03, 2017, 05:23:24 pm
He just signed with Auburn.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 05:40:10 pm
Please tell me we are not going to spend the $50 million that is rumored forr 7 years.  Good coach for sure but not a national title as HC.   Not worth Saban money (5 national titles at combined 2 SEC schools) IMO at this point. If we do that we better get a title real quick. Heck Jimbo Fisher has a title for his crazy pay.  But he has it in hand.   Anyway, I'm betting he stays at Auburn.  Bottom line is if hired could he win a national title at Arkansas? 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 05:48:47 pm
I just read that too. I do t mind the pony up to pay coaches and assistants to improve our football program.

But again I want someone who wants to be here as well and I donít think he ever did. Heís still bitter from the Nutt days imo.

Now on to the next guy. Pay him fairly and give him the money to get proper assistants
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 05:50:36 pm
I sure wish we would just get it over with. Whoever they pay expectations are going to be high.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 06:06:44 pm
Me too. Maybe we got lucky. If he had lost one more regular season game Gus would have been here. Then turns around a plays us basically.

Lot of rumors about Charlie Strong. I donít know how I would like that. Heís done god at a couple places but the job he did at Texas was less than impressive. Plus I donít think he will move the needle at all with recruits or fans here at all
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 06:31:09 pm
I like Strong and I don't think he had a real chance at TX.  Big money boosters didn't want him to begin with and we always working against him and his success.
I'm hoping we go after Norvell, watched Memphis and UCF, that's two good young coaches having success and can score points. That would make Hogs fun to watch, get a great DC aboard, recruit like heck and we will be ok in a year or two.  If we can't outbid Memphis we don't need to be in the game. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 07:10:59 pm
Maybe we need to talk to Leach and Miles.  Both have impressive win loss records and Les has a title. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: AirWarren on December 03, 2017, 07:32:35 pm
Maybe we need to talk to Leach and Miles.  Both have impressive win loss records and Les has a title. 

LOL.

Les couldn't consistently win at LSU. South LOUISIANA!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 08:03:30 pm
Boosters donít have anything to do with Xís and Oís though. Did CS get a fair shake, probably not. I just donít think he moves the needle for us.

Leach is crazy but he would be fun and I think that would get fans excited.

Les did win consistently. Just towards the end he couldnít win the big games when he ran out of luck. Again donít think he moves the needle for us.

JMO. Norvell, Kiffin, Leach maybe Venables bring excitement. Would improve us offensively immediately. Find and pay a darn good DC/OC some real money and see what happens.

If we get outside of those the stands could be empty a while. Even though Morris has been talked about. I havenít seen much love from fans.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on December 03, 2017, 08:06:29 pm
Venables would be above all my first pick. I want a guy that knows defense. Id take Charlie too. I think charlie actually would immediately boost recruiting as well as Venables
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 08:18:24 pm
LOL.

Les couldn't consistently win at LSU. South LOUISIANA!!!

What, he's 114 -  34 for a 770% win record.  His worst year was 8-5 in 12 seasons, two national title games and 1 title.  8-4 record in bowl games.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 08:22:50 pm
Venables would be above all my first pick. I want a guy that knows defense. Id take Charlie too. I think charlie actually would immediately boost recruiting as well as Venables
I can go with Venables.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 03, 2017, 08:54:29 pm
Venables is a great DC, but an unknown as a HC.  Says he has no interest at the moment. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 09:45:42 pm
He was just mentioned a few times. At any rate we should see something tomorrow or the next on who it is.

If we make it to next weekend then itís really a mess. Seems like there are several different groups and they all want different guys
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 03, 2017, 10:25:16 pm
Gus thought wisely with his mind and not with his heart.... Minimum 10 wins in Auburn next year again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 10:28:03 pm
With some of the rumors flying around tonight. We may be about to screw this up real good.

Going from one end to the other. From offering 7 mil for a seasoned coach to offering our HC job to a position coach. Not a coordinator but a position coach. Simply because they think they need an Arkansas guy
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 03, 2017, 10:34:25 pm
Gus thought wisely with his mind and not with his heart.... Minimum 10 wins in Auburn next year again.
I donít think his heart was ever in it. Heís was looking at being let go after LSU. Got on a run and heís parlayed that in to a raise.

After yesterday they should have never offered and darn sure shouldnít have wasted all day Today waiting on an answer.

There are still folks hanging on. Saying maybe he hasnít signed and that we can counter offer. Time to move on
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 04, 2017, 09:32:21 am
Gus Bus was never coming to Arkansas unless Auburn fired him!   That wasn't even a for sure because if he could get a job in a different power 5 school, for sure another SEC school he would have taken it.  In that event we would have been his parachute and that's all.  He'd have been here a few years and out.  Those who think Gus really wants to be at UA are fantasizing.   Bad blood there and that's not a recipe for a successful marriage. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on December 04, 2017, 11:30:27 am
Agreed, Gus doesn't want to be in Arkansas.  It will always be his safety net if he gets fired.
Hope we get a great coach.  I hate the rumor that we are looking at a position coach to be the HC.  Hope that's just a rumor. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: OB11 on December 04, 2017, 11:35:08 am
Would Arkansas fans be happy with hiring a high level coordinator from somewhere? I know Venables is a current coordinator, but would they be open to someone else not at a NC contender? I thought Mississippi State went the correct route in hiring a coordinator. Really thought Arkansas would do the same when they fired Bielema.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: gameoflife on December 04, 2017, 12:10:31 pm
I  don't think hiring a coordinator is a good choice.  Not to say there are not a lot of very good coaches that are coordinators.  No experience as HC is or could be a big problem.  Also we need to concern how that will affect recruiting.  A guy with HC experience and has been winning is the smart move. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 12:40:50 pm
BOT meeting going on now. Supposedly to finalize AD choice. Then get the AD, Chancellor, BOT and the money guys all in the same page. Each group wants a different guy supposedly.

If you total up who everyone is talking about.

Chad Morris
Mike Norvell
Brent Venables
Lane Kiffin
Charlie Strong
Mike leach
Rhett Lashlee
Tim Horton

Seems a couple of these are higher than some of us may think and some are lower than we may think.

AD and HC could be named later today or tomorrow but could drag out the rest of the week.

Basically all we have done is eliminate Gus so far
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 04, 2017, 02:16:02 pm
Venables is set to meet with UT as is Chad Morris.  Kiffen and Leach offer experience and recognition of name.  Strong has experience and is an Arkansas product.  Rough time at Texas but great at Louisville and now at S florida.  Norvell seems like a steal to me, done well at Memphis, took UCF to double overtime Saturday, 10 wins at Memphis and experience in several programs.  Lashlee and Horton, Arkansas ties, ties to Gus.  Not so sure about HC experience, none I am aware of.
I think UA needs someone with experience as HC.

Let's get moving on this, the waiting means that the names often showing up on the list of possibles will be gone. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 02:51:48 pm
Looks like all the media guys are pushing Morris on Twitter and on radio.

Horton is still an RB position coach. Lashlee is an OC I think.

We could end up in a bidding war for a mediocre hire.

With the early signing period and an already short class this doesnít look good.

I thought it was ok to wait on Gus because i thought these fools had a plan. They should have had an AD last week or promoted Peoples. There could be a plan but it sure doesnít look like it
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 03:01:54 pm
As Iím ranting. Sources say the Houston AD has accepted our position at Arkansas
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 04, 2017, 03:24:55 pm
Arkansas hiring is chaotic.  Last week news 5 reported the hire of Gragg from Tulsa as new AD.  Now that seems to be wrong and we are looking at new candidates but no news.  What happened, did news 5 drop the ball?  Did the UA have no clue, did Gragg change his mind? 
Who is our coach?  Seems to be a case of too many chiefs in the mix.  What a travesty.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 04:23:50 pm
The news dropped the ball on Gragg. Supposedly he had not even been offered or interviewed at the time.

Thatís why I say rumors. Cause I dont know squat. But this apparently is the new AD
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 04:25:49 pm
http://footballscoop.com/news/source-houston-ad-hunter-yurachek-accept-job-arkansas/

This is one of the links. Iíll try and find another.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on December 04, 2017, 04:29:50 pm
http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/tulsas-gragg-to-be-named-new-arkansas-ad-sources-say/871230212

http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/report-houstons-hunter-yurachek-to-be-named-arkansas-ad/874873217

What will the report next?

This is making Tenner look like they know what they're doing.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bleudog on December 04, 2017, 05:22:41 pm
Saw something on a comment within a radio station's post.  Probably just more smoke, but:

Gragg was considered a guy Gus would like working with.  When Gus didn't come, Gragg was gone.

Yurachek is consider to be a guy that Kiffin would like working with....................

As the world turns.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 05:29:48 pm
Yeah supposedly he tried to hire Kiffin At Houston. But basically got swayed by players there for Applewhite.

Kiffin surprisingly quiet on Twitter today lol

Bo Mattingly interviewed Venables. He asked him if he was a candidate. He said thatís hard to answer. They have talked to my representatives and Iíll leave it at that. Or along those lines. Said he is also loyal to where he is at.

So we have shown some interest but that doesnít sound like heís to interested in us
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 05:36:23 pm
Thereís an official release out now so this is a done deal. $850000 a year
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 04, 2017, 05:43:05 pm
Gus thought wisely with his mind and not with his heart.... Minimum 10 wins in Auburn next year again.
Pretty sure his heart is in Auburn considering that, if the reports are accurate, he took less money than Fayetteville was offering to stay in Auburn.




I like Norvell, he checks a lot of the right boxes, but 2 years as a HC isnít much.  He might be great, but itíd be a gamble.  Right now I think we need more certainty than that.

I feel like a coordinator would be the wrong direction.  Head coaching is just different from being a coordinator.  Maybe if itís someone like Randy Shannon whoís been a HC before I could see it.  Same with a position coach.  Iíd love to see Horton come back as OC, but Head Coach is a bit much.

There are a lot of names that have flown completely under the radar that Surprise me.  Skip Holtz is an obvious one: 18 years of head coaching experience, 2 CUSA Championships and 2 runner-up finishes, recruiting experience up and down the east coast and in Louisiana, and to top it all off heís a Fayetteville High School alumnus.  Then thereís someone like Jeff Monken at Army.  After several deep runs in the 1-AA playoffs, he went to West Point and took over a program that hadnít won anything in a long time. In the last two years theyíve had 2 8-win seasons (maybe 9 this year, Army-Navy is Saturday), snapped Navyís 14 year winning streak in the Army-Navy Game, and has Army in the cusp of their first Commanders in Chiefís Trophy in 20 years.  Theyíre fun to watch too, 4 games this yearís theyíve had over 400 yards rushing, 12 individual 100+ yard performances so far.  Thereís probably half a dozen other guys like that no oneís talking about.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 04, 2017, 06:07:41 pm
Ok I just saw this AD hire. What happened to hire someone with ďArkansas tiesĒ...
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 04, 2017, 08:09:15 pm
Our people in charge are making all kinds of stupid decisions based on what might happen with a head coach.  Hire the best AD you can get, then go after the best coach you can get.  Not that hard to figure out.  Seems we are settling on one who might influence the other, well what it that doesn't happen. 

Oh and I have nothing really against Kiffen but he is a loose cannon in some ways.  I've wanted Norvell from the get go and I think its a great hire.  Risky, maybe a little bit but so is Kiffen.  There is a reason he's at Florida Atlantic.  Not knocking his coaching, but his personality may not mesh at UA.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 04, 2017, 08:26:30 pm
Our people in charge are making all kinds of stupid decisions based on what might happen with a head coach.  Hire the best AD you can get, then go after the best coach you can get.  Not that hard to figure out.  Seems we are settling on one who might influence the other, well what it that doesn't happen. 

Oh and I have nothing really against Kiffen but he is a loose cannon in some ways.  I've wanted Norvell from the get go and I think its a great hire.  Risky, maybe a little bit but so is Kiffen.  There is a reason he's at Florida Atlantic.  Not knocking his coaching, but his personality may not mesh at UA.
Yeah I just donít know what to think anymore. Itís like we gotta make things more complicated than it should be. This isnít an upgrade from Long in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 04, 2017, 08:30:26 pm
Our people in charge are making all kinds of stupid decisions based on what might happen with a head coach.  Hire the best AD you can get, then go after the best coach you can get.  Not that hard to figure out.  Seems we are settling on one who might influence the other, well what it that doesn't happen. 

Oh and I have nothing really against Kiffen but he is a loose cannon in some ways.  I've wanted Norvell from the get go and I think its a great hire.  Risky, maybe a little bit but so is Kiffen.  There is a reason he's at Florida Atlantic.  Not knocking his coaching, but his personality may not mesh at UA.

I nearly spit my coffee out in the car while driving listening to the Dan Lebatard show on Friday when they were interviewing Kiffin.... Lebatard says while semi laughing "hey I can hear you eating while we are on the air... What in the world are you eating while doing an interview''? ....... Kiffin then responds " I am eating some pineapple cause I am eating healthy trying to lose some weight. You know people down here in south Florida really care about their figure. You got to remember Dan I am not in Alabama anymore".... I nearly lost it like I said. I knew it was a jab at Alabama obviously. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 04, 2017, 08:31:10 pm
I heard Stoerner endorsed Morris.  If we are thinking Chad Morris over Norvell, what explanation would that be? Morris has 3 years HC, Norvell 2.  Norvell has more wins in two years than Morris in 3 and at 18 and 7 has set the record for most wins ever by a first year coach at Memphis and first 10 win season since 1938. 
Just hire Norvell and lets get busy.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 04, 2017, 08:38:51 pm
I heard Stoerner endorsed Morris.  If we are thinking Chad Morris over Norvell, what explanation would that be? Morris has 3 years HC, Norvell 2.  Norvell has more wins in two years than Morris in 3 and at 18 and 7 has set the record for most wins ever by a first year coach at Memphis and first 10 win season since 1938. 
Just hire Norvell and lets get busy.

but can Norvell build a program?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 08:54:19 pm
They could have hired an Arkansas AD last week. Who knows why they hired who they did. Hopefully he does a good job.

Obviously Long was fired because he wasnít willing to let BB go and wasnít willing to even think about hiring Gus.

That all fell through.

As far as Morris he could very well be a good hire. He just doesnít move the meter as far as most fans are concerned. iMO. To tell you the truth I didnít even know who he was until he was mentioned for this job
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 04, 2017, 08:57:00 pm
This was tonight when Venables accepted the Broyles award

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkSaw/status/937870741621628928
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 04, 2017, 09:48:49 pm
but can Norvell build a program?

Well, he's got 2 wins to 0 on Morris.   We were crazy for Gus and as far as I know he walked into the college programs he has won with?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on December 04, 2017, 10:29:55 pm
I really hope the new coach is Brent Venables.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bigworm on December 04, 2017, 10:43:50 pm
I really hope the new coach is Brent Venables.

Amen
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 06:08:35 am
If the rumor is true as to why they actually are pushing for Morris then I really donít want him here. Bielema played favorites with players and you see where it got this program. It needs to stop
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Trojanbird on December 05, 2017, 08:22:28 am
What is the rumor?
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 09:14:21 am
That Morris is being pushed by Jerry Jones because he has agreed to give Jerryís grandson a scholarship. Supposedly a low 2* recruit.

I have no problem with giving a scholarship but letís not let it be the main reason a Hite is getting pushed.

Again thatís a rumor going around
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 09:29:10 am
That Morris is being pushed by Jerry Jones because he has agreed to give Jerryís grandson a scholarship. Supposedly a low 2* recruit.

I have no problem with giving a scholarship but letís not let it be the main reason a Hite is getting pushed.

Again thatís a rumor going around

I have heard a much stranger reason as to why Gragg was not hired as AD.... Has to do with a book his wife wrote last year which may have ruffled the feathers of all the white guys in suits making decisions at the U of A.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 10:24:56 am
I have heard Gragg is a super person. It's a shame that we might be hiring people based on a hope of it affecting what coach we get instead of the overall good of the athletic program.  Hire a coach.  UA is going to get caught with the short straw if not careful.  They look like Tennessee, an incompetent fool.  At least TN hired Fulmer to try to regain some stability and direction.  Fulmer is most loved by TN fans.  We hired a guy noboby knows hoping we might get Kiffen?   Hey, Kiffen wants back in the SEC and wants big money, he would take it if offered with or without an AD. 
Cluster.  So we shall see what we get.  Like I've said I like Norvell, I like Leach, but Strong would be ok with his only bad mark Texas.  Morris just seems like a, Oh well, this is the best we can do, type pick. 
I don't think any of them have guts enough to go after a pick because they are afraid of getting it wrong, again.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 11:02:13 am
Gragg was rumored to be a deal with Gus. No doubt that with all the people involved this has gotten crazy.

I could care less who the AD is though.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 05, 2017, 01:12:40 pm
I have heard Gragg is a super person. It's a shame that we might be hiring people based on a hope of it affecting what coach we get instead of the overall good of the athletic program.  Hire a coach.  UA is going to get caught with the short straw if not careful.  They look like Tennessee, an incompetent fool.  At least TN hired Fulmer to try to regain some stability and direction.  Fulmer is most loved by TN fans.  We hired a guy noboby knows hoping we might get Kiffen?   Hey, Kiffen wants back in the SEC and wants big money, he would take it if offered with or without an AD. 
Cluster.  So we shall see what we get.  Like I've said I like Norvell, I like Leach, but Strong would be ok with his only bad mark Texas.  Morris just seems like a, Oh well, this is the best we can do, type pick. 
I don't think any of them have guts enough to go after a pick because they are afraid of getting it wrong, again.
Well said. I really donít think some people understand the importance of these hires. Iím all for supporting whoever is chosen but I believe we deserve to know why with good reason. It just feels like the powers to be are letting our program go down the same path again. Hopefully, we will get a good coach that really wants to be here.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Romeo on December 05, 2017, 01:41:48 pm
I have heard a much stranger reason as to why Gragg was not hired as AD.... Has to do with a book his wife wrote last year which may have ruffled the feathers of all the white guys in suits making decisions at the U of A.

I've been hearing the same thing. Basically, it was a children's book she wrote about how to interact with police officers.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 01:56:00 pm
I've been hearing the same thing. Basically, it was a children's book she wrote about how to interact with police officers.

I actually looked at it too.... No matter what aisle of the political spectrum you are on it seemed very sensible and reasonable. It didn't come off as antagonistic whatsoever and I think it was well intentioned from her. I believe she worked with underprivileged youth in her background is why she was inspired to write it, and I really did not see anything wrong about it.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 02:22:15 pm
I don't know about the book but I'll try to find that.  Sadly the actions of family members are a consideration of the image you want to project.  I also don't know much about the new AD and his experience in hiring a big time football coach, that is really the question.

Tennessee is now talking to Tee Martin, former UT QB when they won the national title.  I'm not sure about the hire or him, but it is a smart move by Fulmer because Tee has a great history with the Vols and great coaching experience.  WE on the other hand seem to keep waiting on Gus to wake up and decide to drive the bus back to fayetteville.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ctucker on December 05, 2017, 03:33:09 pm
We just need to drop football  we suck and are a laughing stock.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 03:34:07 pm
Wonít be Norvell. He just signed extension at Memphis.

Morris also rumored to be in talks with Tenner
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Ctucker on December 05, 2017, 03:36:06 pm
We can't even get Memphis coach that's sad!
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 03:44:34 pm
Wow.... I believe that means we are headed for Chad Morris more than likely. I really hate to say this and be so negative but I believe we are headed for a bad next decade of football in this state. With Fisher to Texas A&M plus Auburn and Alabama looking like they are staying strong for a while I think the only seasons we will have saving grace are when we go 4-0 in non conference because of an easy non conference slate and we must sweep the Mississippi schools. I believe we are about to see the gap even further widen between the top of the West and bottom of the West. Good thing those Mississippi schools are in serious transition or it would not even look the slightest bit promising. I think 5 to 7 wins is about to become the norm in Fayetteville for a while  :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 03:49:03 pm
And to add on to my post above here is just some food for thought that you guys can chime in to agree or disagree.... I believe that when Petrino hired that woman on his staff and crashed his bike it sent this program into a spin cycle it may not get out of for a while. He was fired at an atypical time of the year and in an obvious atypical way and when he did that we practically threw away the 2 following seasons with John L Smith and BB's first season where he went 3-9. BB was obviously a terrible hire for this program when we needed something different following John L Smith. I believe looking back him crashing his bike was the beginning of the end for this program for a while now that we can look back at it with a different view. His poor decisions really caused long term issues in Fayetteville with the football program.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 04:08:11 pm
Kiffin or Morris looks like.

And for the Morris guys. Yeah he seems to have improved SMU. 7-5 this year believe 4 of those wins were by 4 points or less over 3-9 teams.

I remember another coach coming in and increasing his wins totals over the first few years
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 04:22:32 pm
It's sad that we cannot find a coach.  What are we waiting for?  Nobody will accept the job?  Leadership is the problem?  Heck we had a good shot at Norvell and I think that would have created some excitment because of his offense.  Now we may be going after a guy in Morris? Limited years as HC, losing record, and was twice beaten by Norvell.
I'm sure he is a great guy.  Will he pull us out of the gutter?   
I will tell you this, Tennessee voted by calling and cancelling their season tickets for next year, with protest on campus, with forcing the outing of the AD and getting a guy that is beloved by most Vols, yes fat Phil. 
I try to support UA football but they make it hard.
So we going to make a JL decision?
I'd say Kiffen, Strong, before anybody else.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 04:23:47 pm
Unless there is some secret candidate that comes out of left field
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 04:33:27 pm
We can only hope. 
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 04:38:54 pm
Norvell got 2.6 million a year for 5 years.  Maybe we can get him next year after he wins his conference championship.  Won't be too much to buy out.  Wonder who the interim coach needs to be, Enos, Rhoads?  Maybe JL is still wanting to do a standin role.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 04:45:30 pm
Looking like itís final. Still hope itís rumor. I donít care this really seems like a horrible hire for the situation we are in. To me this doesnít put fans in the seats.

I really hope I am wrong but this seems like Bielema/Dooley territory still. Doesnít even put us to the middle of the pack again, imo.

Really makes you wonder how rich people get rich when they make decisions like this
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 04:52:00 pm
Rich people have high priced financial advisers who tell them what to do.  Just because they have money doesn't mean they know a thing about football or coaching!   Ours don't seem to.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 04:58:45 pm
This just set us back another 5 years. These have no guts. Going after Gus didnít show it. They thought they had him in the bag. Now they stoop all the way down when this program needed some darn excitement to get fans interested  again.

Just think of this heís supposed to be an offensive genius or something. But his defense is worse than ours was against lesser competition.

Right now this looks like and absolute fail
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 05:04:02 pm
Maybe we will hear soon.  Hope for the best.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 05, 2017, 05:20:42 pm
This just set us back another 5 years. These have no guts. Going after Gus didnít show it. They thought they had him in the bag. Now they stoop all the way down when this program needed some darn excitement to get fans interested  again.

Just think of this heís supposed to be an offensive genius or something. But his defense is worse than ours was against lesser competition.

Right now this looks like and absolute fail

Grape Vine says his first DC Target will be venables, whom he coached with at Clemson
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 05:53:35 pm
Say hello to mediocrity for another 5 years at least....
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on December 05, 2017, 05:58:30 pm
Say hello to mediocrity for another 5 years at least....

Why, it only took him 3 years to get SMU bowl eligible?........ ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 05, 2017, 06:00:00 pm
Why, it only took him 3 years to get SMU bowl eligible?........ ::)

Not a good old boy with Arkansas ties LOL
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: nastynice on December 05, 2017, 06:00:49 pm
Not a needle moving hire for sure. I don't like it.  .500 team at best from here on.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: Coach DePriest, Shiloh Christian on December 05, 2017, 06:31:36 pm
LOVE IT.

Clemson before he got there...21.2 ppg
Clemson after he got there...first 10 win season under Dabo and 35 ppg in his 4 years (avg 41 his 2nd year)

SMU before he got there...11.1 ppg and 1 win
SMU after he got there...30.7 ppg (38.5 this year) and 2, 5, 7 wins
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: RZback on December 05, 2017, 06:47:19 pm
It looks like its Morris, Venables must be his bosom buddy if he would leave Clemson for us. Supposed to be done deal just working out details.  I'm sure Ill get over the disappointment but this is hardly the big hire hoped for.

I bet 30,000 people are calling to order tickets right now.
Title: Re: 2017 Outlook
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2017, 07:09:29 pm