Magnolia at Camden

[Youngsta71701]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

So Crockett was the whole team?

[spongebob]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

[Marblehog]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

So Crockett was the whole team?

Nope but was close

[spongebob]

And I'll take Page before Crockett if we are picking teams

[Marblehog]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

[spongebob]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

Laugh if you want to but they are both very talented. DJ would leave him in the dust in a 40 yard sprint

[Marblehog]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

Laugh if you want to but they are both very talented. DJ would leave him in the dust in a 40 yard sprint

Where is DJ playing college ball?

[Youngsta71701]

By the way. Crockett played Junior High ball in Magnolia. As a matter of fact we beat them pretty good one year and for some unknown reason they had him playing receiver instead of running back Go figure, I guess Magnolia's junior high coaches weren't very bright that year either. See, you can have players playing out of position every once in a while! 

[Youngsta71701]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

Laugh if you want to but they are both very talented. DJ would leave him in the dust in a 40 yard sprint

Where is DJ playing college ball?

Hasn't decided yet but he has plenty of options. In football and baseball.

[spongebob]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losses this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

Laugh if you want to but they are both very talented. DJ would leave him in the dust in a 40 yard sprint

Where is DJ playing college ball?

He has more than one offer last I heard. Trying to decide is what I'm told

[Cardinalboi07]

Camden was heading for a steady decline no matter who the coach was going to be.  Senior class was ok with Crockett but he's gone and the sophmores and juniors are weak classes as is the 8th and 9th grades.

Thank you

I hate to agree but its true. Id say this group of Cardinals are a lot more mature and can handle diversity better tho. I also find it funny that when other teams like White Hall or Magnolia struggle we have no problem saying "Well, they are having a down year. They lost a lot of talent," but when it happens here we immediately say its the coaching. We don't have the best coaches in the world and I dont agree with all of their schemes but if we can accept that other 5A teams' talent comes in cycles why cant we accept it here. We forget going 1-9 and 2-8 in the late 90's due to talent. We had some special people come through here under Buck that would've been great no matter who coached them because they were already great back in 3rd or 4th grade at recess. This team works hard for its success, its not automatic and I applaud them for that.

Did we not have a Junior High team not to long ago go 0-9 then turn around and play in back to back championship games just two years later?! I'm sure people were saying the same thing about them. My, how quickly we forget. I look at Junior High football like the NFL preseason. Don't put much stock in it. The Junior High level is supposed to be about developing the kids, getting them ready for High School, and teaching them the basic concepts of the offenses and defenses they will be running in High School. That's what a PROGRAM is supposed to be about. Who cares about a win/loss record in the Junior High!

You are referring to the 2009 team Coach by the late great Jim Pickett in jr. high. It was the 2009 team but it was made up of players from 2010 and 2011 (like the Reeds and the Keatons who played on teams who had good records in junior high). It wasnt just the 2009 class. Since we are talking about 2009 tho, their record was 2-3 just like this year and went to War Memorial. You cant put much stock in it but to say Jr. High games don't hold any stock isnt a fair analysis.

[Cardinalboi07]

And I'll take Page before Crockett if we are picking teams

Sponge, me and you actually agree! lol
Nothing against Crockett but Page was a raw talent that I feel like wasnt used in the best way. I will put that on the coaches (yes, i said it) but only partly because they didnt know Page's skill set or how to use him in a way he was used to.

[spongebob]

And I'll take Page before Crockett if we are picking teams

Sponge, me and you actually agree! lol
Nothing against Crockett but Page was a raw talent that I feel like wasnt used in the best way. I will put that on the coaches (yes, i said it) but only partly because they didnt know Page's skill set or how to use him in a way he was used to.

I agree with lots of people on here! But having an opinion doesn't make anybody right or wrong all the time. Nor does it make them a negative person!

[that1guy2110]

Y have my questions gone unanswered?  What should the oline be taught that they aren't being taught to make them better? Who is the kid on the sideline that should be the 4th dline guy.what linebacker comes off the field to make room for this mystery dline star?

[Randy]

Y have my questions gone unanswered?  What should the oline be taught that they aren't being taught to make them better? Who is the kid on the sideline that should be the 4th dline guy.what linebacker comes off the field to make room for this mystery dline star?

I'll wait

[Temprees]

Camden was heading for a steady decline no matter who the coach was going to be.  Senior class was ok with Crockett but he's gone and the sophmores and juniors are weak classes as is the 8th and 9th grades.

Thank you

I hate to agree but its true. Id say this group of Cardinals are a lot more mature and can handle diversity better tho. I also find it funny that when other teams like White Hall or Magnolia struggle we have no problem saying "Well, they are having a down year. They lost a lot of talent," but when it happens here we immediately say its the coaching. We don't have the best coaches in the world and I dont agree with all of their schemes but if we can accept that other 5A teams' talent comes in cycles why cant we accept it here. We forget going 1-9 and 2-8 in the late 90's due to talent. We had some special people come through here under Buck that would've been great no matter who coached them because they were already great back in 3rd or 4th grade at recess. This team works hard for its success, its not automatic and I applaud them for that.

Did we not have a Junior High team not to long ago go 0-9 then turn around and play in back to back championship games just two years later?! I'm sure people were saying the same thing about them. My, how quickly we forget. I look at Junior High football like the NFL preseason. Don't put much stock in it. The Junior High level is supposed to be about developing the kids, getting them ready for High School, and teaching them the basic concepts of the offenses and defenses they will be running in High School. That's what a PROGRAM is supposed to be about. Who cares about a win/loss record in the Junior High!

You are referring to the 2009 team Coach by the late great Jim Pickett in jr. high. It was the 2009 team but it was made up of players from 2010 and 2011 (like the Reeds and the Keatons who played on teams who had good records in junior high). It wasnt just the 2009 class. Since we are talking about 2009 tho, their record was 2-3 just like this year and went to War Memorial. You cant put much stock in it but to say Jr. High games don't hold any stock isnt a fair analysis.

You are incorrect about the 2009 finals team. Dominique Reed and Derek Keaton were not members of the 2009 finals runner-up team.  They both were sophomores that year.   D. Reed was in love with Basketball, and didn't play football in 2009.  D. Keaton played his sophomore season at LR Episcopal.

Also, it was the 2010 Seniors who won 1 or 2 games in their three years of Jr High Football.  Those 2010 football Seniors were State Runner-ups in 2009 and 2010.  D. Reed and D. Keaton were members of the 2010 Finals Runner-up team.

Just a few factual corrections.  So carry on with your debate. 

[Cardinalboi07]

Camden was heading for a steady decline no matter who the coach was going to be.  Senior class was ok with Crockett but he's gone and the sophmores and juniors are weak classes as is the 8th and 9th grades.

Thank you

I hate to agree but its true. Id say this group of Cardinals are a lot more mature and can handle diversity better tho. I also find it funny that when other teams like White Hall or Magnolia struggle we have no problem saying "Well, they are having a down year. They lost a lot of talent," but when it happens here we immediately say its the coaching. We don't have the best coaches in the world and I dont agree with all of their schemes but if we can accept that other 5A teams' talent comes in cycles why cant we accept it here. We forget going 1-9 and 2-8 in the late 90's due to talent. We had some special people come through here under Buck that would've been great no matter who coached them because they were already great back in 3rd or 4th grade at recess. This team works hard for its success, its not automatic and I applaud them for that.

Did we not have a Junior High team not to long ago go 0-9 then turn around and play in back to back championship games just two years later?! I'm sure people were saying the same thing about them. My, how quickly we forget. I look at Junior High football like the NFL preseason. Don't put much stock in it. The Junior High level is supposed to be about developing the kids, getting them ready for High School, and teaching them the basic concepts of the offenses and defenses they will be running in High School. That's what a PROGRAM is supposed to be about. Who cares about a win/loss record in the Junior High!

You are referring to the 2009 team Coach by the late great Jim Pickett in jr. high. It was the 2009 team but it was made up of players from 2010 and 2011 (like the Reeds and the Keatons who played on teams who had good records in junior high). It wasnt just the 2009 class. Since we are talking about 2009 tho, their record was 2-3 just like this year and went to War Memorial. You cant put much stock in it but to say Jr. High games don't hold any stock isnt a fair analysis.

You are incorrect about the 2009 finals team. Dominique Reed and Derek Keaton were not members of the 2009 finals runner-up team.  They both were sophomores that year.   D. Reed was in love with Basketball, and didn't play football in 2009.  D. Keaton played his sophomore season at LR Episcopal.

Also, it was the 2010 Seniors who won 1 or 2 games in their three years of Jr High Football.

Just a few factual corrections.  So carry on with your debate.
Thanks Tempress. I was referring to the older Keeton who came in to play quarterback after Foster was hurt mid season. It was the 2010 graduating class but it was the 2009 football team because of the year they played in. It throws me off all the time

[wildboy44]

The kids that are seniors now, they never lost to Lakeside! Not even or Junior High. How do experts you explain that?!

Crockett

Crockett leaving had very little to do with wins and losse
s this year or last. He might not even be starting because of DJ

LOL ok

Laugh if you want to but they are both very talented. DJ would leave him in the dust in a 40 yard sprint

Where is DJ playing college ball?

Hasn't decided yet but he has plenty of options. In football and baseball.

DJ is 90% Army (West Point) as of 6:00 this morning!

[Temprees]

Camden was heading for a steady decline no matter who the coach was going to be.  Senior class was ok with Crockett but he's gone and the sophmores and juniors are weak classes as is the 8th and 9th grades.

Thank you

I hate to agree but its true. Id say this group of Cardinals are a lot more mature and can handle diversity better tho. I also find it funny that when other teams like White Hall or Magnolia struggle we have no problem saying "Well, they are having a down year. They lost a lot of talent," but when it happens here we immediately say its the coaching. We don't have the best coaches in the world and I dont agree with all of their schemes but if we can accept that other 5A teams' talent comes in cycles why cant we accept it here. We forget going 1-9 and 2-8 in the late 90's due to talent. We had some special people come through here under Buck that would've been great no matter who coached them because they were already great back in 3rd or 4th grade at recess. This team works hard for its success, its not automatic and I applaud them for that.

Did we not have a Junior High team not to long ago go 0-9 then turn around and play in back to back championship games just two years later?! I'm sure people were saying the same thing about them. My, how quickly we forget. I look at Junior High football like the NFL preseason. Don't put much stock in it. The Junior High level is supposed to be about developing the kids, getting them ready for High School, and teaching them the basic concepts of the offenses and defenses they will be running in High School. That's what a PROGRAM is supposed to be about. Who cares about a win/loss record in the Junior High!

You are referring to the 2009 team Coach by the late great Jim Pickett in jr. high. It was the 2009 team but it was made up of players from 2010 and 2011 (like the Reeds and the Keatons who played on teams who had good records in junior high). It wasnt just the 2009 class. Since we are talking about 2009 tho, their record was 2-3 just like this year and went to War Memorial. You cant put much stock in it but to say Jr. High games don't hold any stock isnt a fair analysis.

You are incorrect about the 2009 finals team. Dominique Reed and Derek Keaton were not members of the 2009 finals runner-up team.  They both were sophomores that year.   D. Reed was in love with Basketball, and didn't play football in 2009.  D. Keaton played his sophomore season at LR Episcopal.

Also, it was the 2010 Seniors who won 1 or 2 games in their three years of Jr High Football.

Just a few factual corrections.  So carry on with your debate.
Thanks Tempress. I was referring to the older Keeton who came in to play quarterback after Foster was hurt mid season. It was the 2010 graduating class but it was the 2009 football team because of the year they played in. It throws me off all the time

You are still confused.  It's was the May 2011 graduating class that had zero success in junior high football, but went to back-to-back Finals in the 2009 and 2010 football seasons.  The year the older Keaton (Brandon) came in to play after Chase Foster's injury was the 2009 football season. Again, that was D. Reed and D. Keaton's sophomore year, and they were not on the  CF football team during the 2009 season.

[spongebob]

Camden was heading for a steady decline no matter who the coach was going to be.  Senior class was ok with Crockett but he's gone and the sophmores and juniors are weak classes as is the 8th and 9th grades.

Thank you

I hate to agree but its true. Id say this group of Cardinals are a lot more mature and can handle diversity better tho. I also find it funny that when other teams like White Hall or Magnolia struggle we have no problem saying "Well, they are having a down year. They lost a lot of talent," but when it happens here we immediately say its the coaching. We don't have the best coaches in the world and I dont agree with all of their schemes but if we can accept that other 5A teams' talent comes in cycles why cant we accept it here. We forget going 1-9 and 2-8 in the late 90's due to talent. We had some special people come through here under Buck that would've been great no matter who coached them because they were already great back in 3rd or 4th grade at recess. This team works hard for its success, its not automatic and I applaud them for that.

Did we not have a Junior High team not to long ago go 0-9 then turn around and play in back to back championship games just two years later?! I'm sure people were saying the same thing about them. My, how quickly we forget. I look at Junior High football like the NFL preseason. Don't put much stock in it. The Junior High level is supposed to be about developing the kids, getting them ready for High School, and teaching them the basic concepts of the offenses and defenses they will be running in High School. That's what a PROGRAM is supposed to be about. Who cares about a win/loss record in the Junior High!

You are referring to the 2009 team Coach by the late great Jim Pickett in jr. high. It was the 2009 team but it was made up of players from 2010 and 2011 (like the Reeds and the Keatons who played on teams who had good records in junior high). It wasnt just the 2009 class. Since we are talking about 2009 tho, their record was 2-3 just like this year and went to War Memorial. You cant put much stock in it but to say Jr. High games don't hold any stock isnt a fair analysis.

You are incorrect about the 2009 finals team. Dominique Reed and Derek Keaton were not members of the 2009 finals runner-up team.  They both were sophomores that year.   D. Reed was in love with Basketball, and didn't play football in 2009.  D. Keaton played his sophomore season at LR Episcopal.

Also, it was the 2010 Seniors who won 1 or 2 games in their three years of Jr High Football.

Just a few factual corrections.  So carry on with your debate.
Thanks Tempress. I was referring to the older Keeton who came in to play quarterback after Foster was hurt mid season. It was the 2010 graduating class but it was the 2009 football team because of the year they played in. It throws me off all the time

You are still confused.  It's was the May 2011 graduating class that had zero success in junior high football, but went to back-to-back Finals in the 2009 and 2010 football seasons.  The year the older Keaton (Brandon) came in to play after Chase Foster's injury was the 2009 football season. Again, that was D. Reed and D. Keaton's sophomore year, and they were not on the  CF football team during the 2009 season.

He knows of what he speaks lol trust me ^

[Youngsta71701]

Y have my questions gone unanswered?  What should the oline be taught that they aren't being taught to make them better? Who is the kid on the sideline that should be the 4th dline guy.what linebacker comes off the field to make room for this mystery dline star?

Roman Ross has been a defensive end as far back as I can remember. Just sayin...

[RamFan06]

Score?

[Redbird88]

29-20 cf at the half

[that1guy2110]

Well he is currently playing linebacker and from the lakeside game they walked the linebackers up and it changed nothing so I don't see putting his hand in the dirt changing anything..... 

[Youngsta71701]

Well he is currently playing linebacker and from the lakeside game they walked the linebackers up and it changed nothing so I don't see putting his hand in the dirt changing anything..... 

Duh, I know where he's playing now. I come to every game. If you walk all the linebackers up the middle how does that help?! Who's setting the edge?! Roman has always done a pretty good job setting the edge at defensive end. Maybe if they walked him up outside the offensive tackles outside shoulder he could set the edge or get up the field and make a sack on pass plays. Just a thought or is that being too negative

[Youngsta71701]

Y have my questions gone unanswered?  What should the oline be taught that they aren't being taught to make them better? Who is the kid on the sideline that should be the 4th dline guy.what linebacker comes off the field to make room for this mystery dline star?

Teach the offensive and defensive linemen to use their hands a little more and a little better to keep the opposition from getting into their body. How much am I getting paid for this? 

[that1guy2110]

I never said you were being negative. This is a football forum so I'm simply wanting to talk football. He probably could do a good job setting the edge and getting to the qb but the problem I've seen so far is the other team running right at us between the tackles.

[Youngsta71701]

I never said you were being negative. This is a football forum so I'm simply wanting to talk football. He probably could do a good job setting the edge and getting to the qb but the problem I've seen so far is the other team running right at us between the tackles.

Are they running between the tackle or off tackle?

[that1guy2110]

The 2 games I watched it appeared as if they were running right behind the guards in the b gaps. I do remember some plays off tackle too though where our ends got washed inside. I don't think putting a 185 pound linebacker at D end will fix that but we are both entitled to our opinions. I was there last night and thought they did a much much better job stopping the run. Score was a little misleading at half.

[Youngsta71701]

The 2 games I watched it appeared as if they were running right behind the guards in the b gaps. I do remember some plays off tackle too though where our ends got washed inside. I don't think putting a 185 pound linebacker at D end will fix that but we are both entitled to our opinions. I was there last night and thought they did a much much better job stopping the run. Score was a little misleading at half.

Yeah, I agree they did a much better job sealing the edge last night. Do you remember a guy named Jordan Elliott a few years ago playing defensive end? I'm sure you don't because you just started commenting on Camden football when the Cox's came, correct?. He was probably 190 pounds soak & wet. Was probably one of the best defensive ends we've ever had, period. At sealing the edge and rushing the QB. Sometimes it's not all about size. Talent, technique, strength, football sense, and just being in the right place plays a major part in it. Just because someone doesn't pass the eye test doesn't mean they can't get the job done. Did you see how #5 Gulley did such a good job using his hands last night and containing the edge on some of those outside the tackle plays? How much do you think he weighs?

[Youngsta71701]

Speaking of weight. How much do you think McCoy weighs? He plays on the d-line and does a pretty good job doesn't he. Especially at using his hands.

[Youngsta71701]

DE- Hilliard or McCoy
DT- Bigby or Minor
DT- Juniel or Minor
DE- Thompson or Waurick or McCoy

Looks like a decent front four to me. If played the right way. JMO though. This is based on what I've seen so far this year.

[Redbird88]

DE- Hilliard or McCoy
DT- Bigby or Minor
DT- Juniel or Minor
DE- Thompson or Waurick or McCoy

Looks like a decent front four to me. If played the right way. JMO though. This is based on what I've seen so far this year.

Isee what you did there😏

[that1guy2110]

Gulley did do a good job not the blocker get across his face and not loosing contain. And u want Ross to move to d end and he ain't even in your top 4. Which linebacker do u take off the field with that group of 4 d line men? Do you take minor off the o line to play on d? Who do u replace him with on the o line? How does an extra d tackle keep people from running off tackle.

[Youngsta71701]

Gulley did do a good job not the blocker get across his face and not loosing contain. And u want Ross to move to d end and he ain't even in your top 4. Which linebacker do u take off the field with that group of 4 d line men? Do you take minor off the o line to play on d? Who do u replace him with on the o line? How does an extra d tackle keep people from running off tackle.

Is this a serious question? If it is I'm done wasting my time trying to explain to you. It slides the DE's to the outside shoulder of the tackles or TE if wanted too. Jeez! Have you ever played or watched football? Ross would stay at outside linebacker since experts like you think he's too small to play DE. Personally I liked him at the RDE spot when I've seen him. Do you not see some of our best players playing both ways from time to time or are you just blind? I don't want any of the kids playing both ways if they don't have to.

SEE POST BELOW SMART MAN

[Youngsta71701]

                                                        CB             OLB    DE   DT   DT   DE    OLB             CB
                                                                                           
                                                                                            MLB

                                                                          SS                                   FS

Can't say it doesn't work because we had the best defense in the 5A for years running this. As a matter a fact, we won a championship, played in 3 championship games, and played in 2 semi-final games playing this defense. This is what we did from 2005 to 2013. Any more questions?!

[that1guy2110]

Why so angry?

[Youngsta71701]

Why so angry?

Not angry at all. It's just so frustrating when people want to try and dispute basic fundamental football. Football 101.

Side Note: That's right. Buck James coached here for 9 years and out of those 9 years we at least made it to the semi's 5 times. Pretty good huh. Now you should understand why some people were so upset when they found out Buck was ran off.

[CommonCoreFootball]

First and foremost, this is not a dig on any level against the kids that lace 'em up and lay it all out there on the field each and every Friday night.  But with that being said, this is the worst fundamentally sound football team I have seen put on the field in years.  Its not a talent issue, its a coaching issue.  You play like you are coached.  And from what I have seen, the coaching is horrible.  The lack of adjusting during the game and the lack of adjusting from week to week is befuddling.  Offensive linemen not staying with blocks past the initial contact, missed tackle after missed tackle, holding calls, off sides calls, etc.  They put in our original starting quarterback who has a good arm only to hand off the ball? The simplistic approach to football that we have now reach is appalling.  Run right, run left, run up the middle, repeat.  We beat the two weakest teams in our conference over the last two weeks........ The best part of Friday night was the fact that the Cox3 weren't on the field at the same time, no family drama on the sidelines.  I would have loved to hear the headset traffic.  Maybe the maternal figure of the family took good notes from the previous game, and yes, she has a little notepad and every time someone at Lakeside said something negative that she could hear, she would turn around and make notes.  Buck is gone, and the program that he built has left with him.  You hire a small school coach with a small school scheme, you get what you got. Just be glad he didn't have more kin folk needing jobs, or we would have more on the sideline.  Oh well, its almost over, but then again, it will start again next season.  Welcome to the land of mediocrity and simplistic football.   

[spongebob]

well you have some valid points but they sure looked better on friday night

[Cardinalboi07]

I don't care how simple we are... All I want is a win. Ill never understand why people complain about HOW a team wins. That's so weird to me. I don't care if its 3-4, 4-3 defense, spread, single wing or power I (shout out to Coach Glover). A win is a win. As long as we arent losing players because they are getting kicked out for fighting each other (Lakeside) or going to jail over stupid stuff. Im not complaining. The way those boys played Friday, considering it was homecoming week and an hour and a half delay should be applauded. Way more positives than negatives IMO

[Youngsta71701]

I don't care how simple we are... All I want is a win. Ill never understand why people complain about HOW a team wins. That's so weird to me. I don't care if its 3-4, 4-3 defense, spread, single wing or power I (shout out to Coach Glover). A win is a win. As long as we arent losing players because they are getting kicked out for fighting each other (Lakeside) or going to jail over stupid stuff. Im not complaining. The way those boys played Friday, considering it was homecoming week and an hour and a half delay should be applauded. Way more positives than negatives IMO

No doubt. They looked a whole lot better against Magnolia. I hope they keep it up and I'll be the first one to say I hope this coaching staff proves me wrong.