Proposed 4A Conference 2018-19

[Brian G]

Some realignment possible in other sports but here is football:

CLASS 4A
1-4A: Berryville, Gentry, Gravette, Green Forest, Lincoln, Pea Ridge, Prairie Grove, Shiloh Christian
2-4A: Bald Knob, Central Arkansas Christian, Heber Springs, Lonoke, Mills, Riverview, Southside Batesville, Stuttgart
3-4A: Brookland, Cave City, Gosnell, Highland, Jonesboro Westside, Pocahontas, Rivercrest, Trumann
4-4A: Dardanelle, Dover, Elkins, Mena, Ozark, Pottsville, Subiaco Academy, Waldron
7-4A: Arkadelphia, Ashdown, Bauxite, Benton Harmony Grove, Fountain Lake, Joe T. Robinson, Malvern, Nashville
8-4A: Crossett, DeWitt, Dumas, Hamburg, Helena-West Helena, Monticello, Star City, Warren

[SUGARTOWN]

I already posted it, but thanks. 

[Brian G]

I know.  Putting a consistent look on each board for newbies.

[Nacho]

I'm liking 7-4A!

[Proud Buckaroo]

I'm liking 7-4A!

Loaded.

[LC sports]

Where did these come from? I can't find them on AAA website.

[HorseFeathers]

Where did these come from? I can't find them on AAA website.

I know they've been posted on Twitter...

[HorseFeathers]

Loaded.

Poor bauxite...

[LC sports]

I know they've been posted on Twitter...

not on the official AAA twitters. I've checked both their regular one and scoreboard one. And they haven't posted anything since May. I don't doubt these are correct but would like to know the source. thanks!

[Proud Buckaroo]

not on the official AAA twitters. I've checked both their regular one and scoreboard one. And they haven't posted anything since May. I don't doubt these are correct but would like to know the source. thanks!

Jeremy Muck is who posted them. I believe. He said the AAA already has the conferences set like this.

[Brian G]

The meeting happened today. It's fresh.

AAA isn't real quick on posting things to their website and these are not final until the vote July 31st.

[Mr. Mercer]

Loaded.

Definetly the best when you look at talent and top to bottom. Outside of Bauxite and Harmony Grove you better bring your A game every Friday.

[Eddie Goodson]

Insanity on display.

[Sports Guru]

Insanity on display.

West Helena gonna be a long drive for me from West Monroe.

[Wonderdog]

Sorry HWH folks. Yall got screwed, again...

[westhelena1]

This is ridiculous. Absolutely insane.

[x14113]

Keep an eye on whether an appeal between HWH and Stuttgart will commence.

Other than that, this is dead-on. One of the easier classes to group in a while.

[Proud Buckaroo]

http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Admin/2018-2020Conferences.pdf

[Wonderdog]

LR Mills or Stuttgart either one would be a better fit in the 8 than HWH.

[Neckred]

I already posted it, but thanks. 

Nobody cares

[SUGARTOWN]

Nobody cares

You cared enough to reply. 

[Neckred]

You cared enough to reply. 

I guess I cared a little....

[GuvHog]

LR Mills or Stuttgart either one would be a better fit in the 8 than HWH.

Stuttgart should be in the 4A-8 with HWH. Star City should be moved to the 4A-2.

[Wonderdog]

Stuttgart should be in the 4A-8 with HWH. Star City should be moved to the 4A-2.

Say what?

[cuckoobird]

He must be on the AAA. Honestly there is no good fit for HWH. The 2-4a has been traveling the longest for a while now, maybe the AAA is equaling out that burden but to move Star City out of the 8 is ludicrous

[beach bum]

They should move Stuttgart to the 1-4A that way they can finish 4th in the conference....

[cuckoobird]

If we were in the 1, you could triple our conference titles

[GuvHog]

Say what?

Stuttgart is closer to HWH and DeWitt than Star city is and it's not that far from Dumas either. They just fit better in the 4A-8

Star City would fit well in the 4A-2 as their longest trip would be to Batesville Southside and that's only around 3 hours drive.

[prHOG13]

If we were in the 1, you could triple our conference titles

Sure you could, sport

[Jimbo Morphis]

Stuttgart is closer to HWH and DeWitt than Star city is and it's not that far from Dumas either. They just fit better in the 4A-8

Star City would fit well in the 4A-2 as their longest trip would be to Batesville Southside and that's only around 3 hours drive.

Do you have any idea how close Star City is to Dumas, Monticello, Warren, and Hamburg?

[SUGARTOWN]

Sure you could, sport

Maybe not triple, but they could have several more for sure. This conference has only been relevant for a few years. Outside of Shiloh, it's really been a non factor up until about 5 years ago when PG improved. Pea Ridge has had a couple good years and should have another this year but outside of that the teams in this conference have a been non factor historically.

[cuckoobird]

Do you have any idea how close Star City is to Dumas, Monticello, Warren, and Hamburg?

Believe me, he has no idea about anything...

[GuvHog]

Do you have any idea how close Star City is to Dumas, Monticello, Warren, and Hamburg?

Yes I know how close Star City is to those towns. It just makes more sense for Stuttgart to be in the 4A-8 and Star City would be okay in the 4A-2.

If Stuttgart is placed in the 4A-8, at least 3 of the schools in that conference would be within decent driving distance of HWH making life a bit easier for the Cougars. With Star City in the 4A-8, there would be 4 schools that are more than 3 and a half hours away from HWH and That isn't right.

[prHOG13]

Maybe not triple, but they could have several more for sure. This conference has only been relevant for a few years. Outside of Shiloh, it's really been a non factor up until about 5 years ago when PG improved. Pea Ridge has had a couple good years and should have another this year but outside of that the teams in this conference have a been non factor historically.

I know how much you like to talk about historically, since your team isn't really relevant anymore.  Kinda like being a Minnesota fan.

[cuckoobird]

Playing in the title game doesn't make you relevant. Now if you had won yes but you guys got drummed on a neutral field, had you played Warren in Warren the first round, the score would have been much worse

[prHOG13]

Now you're riding Warren's coat tails? Is Nashville next? Not a good look

[SUGARTOWN]

I know how much you like to talk about historically, since your team isn't really relevant anymore.  Kinda like being a Minnesota fan.

Your school's won 12 playoff games ever (kinda sad), 7 of those the last 2 years. You're a 2 year program.

Maybe you should just worry about winning your conference this year, that seems to be a little tough for you guys. You know, crawl before you try to walk.

[beach bum]

Pea Ridge won a 3-0 overtime game in the quarterfinals against CAC two years ago and got to play the 3rd place team from their own conference in the semifinals last year. What kind of luck of a draw is that compared to what normal teams go through in the playoffs?

[prHOG13]

Pea Ridge won a 3-0 overtime game in the quarterfinals against CAC two years ago and got to play the 3rd place team from their own conference in the semifinals last year. What kind of luck of a draw is that compared to what normal teams go through in the playoffs?

lol you love pointing to our "lucky" wins. Your obsession/meat gazing is unbecoming.  The CAC game was a monsoon in a mud bowl. We got lucky with all the "forced" fumbles against Robinson and TJ Hammonds too since they just gave us the ball... And nevermind the fact that PR beat the #1 overall seed in their house last year by four touchdowns, they were super overrated after the fact. Let's play down the Shiloh wins because they were a lousy 3 seed too.

You're taking the whole preseason rankings really hard. It's ok man, they don't matter

[Wahls]

Some realignment possible in other sports but here is football:

I'm way out of state and out-of-the-loop.

AAA considering alternative realignment based on sports? what?

[Jimbo Morphis]

New numbers in 2018

[Brian G]

I'm way out of state and out-of-the-loop.

AAA considering alternative realignment based on sports? what?

Yeah, football driven.  Top 16 for football then a trickle down.

But in other sports, not a Top 16 alone is the thrust.

[SouthpawSensation]

No more staying quiet, I guess.
Let's face it, folks: Based on its location, as well as the other 4A schools, Helena-West Helena has to travel. There's no way around it.
But why is it in the 4A-8 and not the 4A-2? Sure, Stuttgart looks closer to those other schools, but let's review the mileage numbers, shall we?
H-WH's one-way distance to the 4A-8 schools is as follows: Crossett-156; Hamburg-149; Monticello-118; Warren-132; Star City-103; Dumas-83.6; DeWitt-52.7. Its total one-way mileage over a two-year span is 794.3 miles.
Now its distance to the 4A-2 schools: Batesville Southside-128; Heber Springs-136; Bald Knob-100; Riverview-104; CAC-119; Lonoke-88.3; LR Mills-120. The total one-way mileage here is 795.3 — 1 mile farther than the 4A-8.
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Now let's look at Stuttgart. Its distance to the 4A-2 schools is as follows: Batesville Southside-102; Heber Springs-97.2; Bald Knob-75.2; Riverview-65.3; CAC-61.7; Lonoke-40.7; LR Mills-56.2. That's a total of 498.3 miles.
Now for the 4A-8 schools: Crossett-117; Hamburg-108; Monticello-79; Warren-78.1; Star City-54.2; Dumas-58.1; DeWitt-25.5. The total one-way mileage over two years becomes 519.9 miles, 21.6 more miles than the 4A-2 schools.

[GuvHog]

No more staying quiet, I guess.
Let's face it, folks: Based on its location, as well as the other 4A schools, Helena-West Helena has to travel. There's no way around it.
But why is it in the 4A-8 and not the 4A-2? Sure, Stuttgart looks closer to those other schools, but let's review the mileage numbers, shall we?
H-WH's one-way distance to the 4A-8 schools is as follows: Crossett-156; Hamburg-149; Monticello-118; Warren-132; Star City-103; Dumas-83.6; DeWitt-52.7. Its total one-way mileage over a two-year span is 794.3 miles.
Now its distance to the 4A-2 schools: Batesville Southside-128; Heber Springs-136; Bald Knob-100; Riverview-104; CAC-119; Lonoke-88.3; LR Mills-120. The total one-way mileage here is 795.3 — 1 mile farther than the 4A-8.
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Now let's look at Stuttgart. Its distance to the 4A-2 schools is as follows: Batesville Southside-102; Heber Springs-97.2; Bald Knob-75.2; Riverview-65.3; CAC-61.7; Lonoke-40.7; LR Mills-56.2. That's a total of 498.3 miles.
Now for the 4A-8 schools: Crossett-117; Hamburg-108; Monticello-79; Warren-78.1; Star City-54.2; Dumas-58.1; DeWitt-25.5. The total one-way mileage over two years becomes 519.9 miles, 21.6 more miles than the 4A-2 schools.

Now, Leave HWH in 4A-8 then Move Stuttgart to the 4A-8 and Star City to the 4A-2 and do the mileage. You'll see it makes sense.

[SouthpawSensation]

Does it? I just did the numbers, and here are the results ....
Yes, it cuts H-WH's travel down to 758 miles, a savings of 36-37 miles, depending on the conference.
However, Stuttgart's travel just blew up to 560.2 miles, and Star City's travel just went from 351.1 with H-WH in the 4A-8 or 302.3 with Stuttgart in the 4A-8 to ... get this ... 758 miles in the 4A-2 under your idea!
So no ... it does not make sense at all.

[Jimbo Morphis]

Does it? I just did the numbers, and here are the results ....
Yes, it cuts H-WH's travel down to 758 miles, a savings of 36-37 miles, depending on the conference.
However, Stuttgart's travel just blew up to 560.2 miles, and Star City's travel just went from 351.1 with H-WH in the 4A-8 or 302.3 with Stuttgart in the 4A-8 to ... get this ... 758 miles in the 4A-2 under your idea!
So no ... it does not make sense at all.

Its called Guv logic. Tell us why it's better again.

[SouthpawSensation]

Its called Guv logic. Tell us why it's better again.

Is this logic similar to Common Core math?

[Brian G]

Guv is the origin of Fake News.

[GuvHog]

Does it? I just did the numbers, and here are the results ....
Yes, it cuts H-WH's travel down to 758 miles, a savings of 36-37 miles, depending on the conference.
However, Stuttgart's travel just blew up to 560.2 miles, and Star City's travel just went from 351.1 with H-WH in the 4A-8 or 302.3 with Stuttgart in the 4A-8 to ... get this ... 758 miles in the 4A-2 under your idea!
So no ... it does not make sense at all.

You didn't do it the way I was talking about.

First place Star City in the 4A-2 instead of Stuttgart and do the math.

Then place Stuttgart in the 4A-8 instead of Star City and do the math.

In both scenarios, leave HWH in 4A-8.

It makes sense for Stuttgart to be in 4A-8 and Star City to be in 4A-2.

Since a team has to only travel to 4 away conference games one year and 3 the next year, I doubt those mileage figures are accurate.

If Star City was placed in the 4A-2, the longest trip they would have is to Batesville Southside and that's about 3 and a half hours with most of it being on four lane highways. Lonoke, Mills and CAC would all be within 1 and a half hours of Star City.

[AirWarren]

Guv is the origin of Fake News.

Correct.