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All athletes in football off season
« on: April 17, 2017, 09:03:45 am »
It's becoming a trend to have all sports do the spring workouts with football, it is being forced on some programs that don't want to do so. What is the driving thought behind it?

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 09:25:20 am »
It's becoming a trend to have all sports do the spring workouts with football, it is being forced on some programs that don't want to do so. What is the driving thought behind it?
By spring workouts for football, do you mean lifting weights, doing agility drills and working of flexibility and cardio?

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 10:05:12 am »
Most good programs I would assume do not do this. Now if those programs have a coach who are not very good at improving athletes strength and flexibility or have a football program who is really good at it then they may work out together because it is easier on the coaches. Or if they are sharing a weight room and equipment and they want to work out same time then they may work together for convenience or that may be their only option. A lot of factors come in to play usually the smaller the school the more factors.

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 10:06:21 am »
Smaller schools typically have 1 off season program while bigger schools are more sports specific. 

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 01:56:43 pm »
Smaller schools typically have 1 off season program while bigger schools are more sports specific.

That is what I have seen as well. I would like to know the thought process as to how that's best for all and not just for the football program.

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 02:36:13 pm »
There is no doubt that many football coaches think offseason belongs to them.  They might support a sport being played in season but they don't tend to make it easy for kids in  multiple offseasons to go to anything besides football.

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 03:08:22 pm »
Some schools have only a few coaches and they are busy with spring sports so hard to have a good off season.
Best route is an off season designed to be sport specific.  I think football is the most physically demanding, speed, strenght, needs and football coaches are trying to get their football players faster and stronger.  They don't see the heavy weight training from some other sports. 

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 08:53:53 am »
Can't speak for the larger schools where specialization is more common, but for the smaller schools there is one weight room during the same period, and typically football coaches have the experience and background to create a quality weight program.  I can't think of a single sport that doesn't benefit from the athletes being bigger, faster, and stronger.  Sure during basketball season some coaches are concerned about their players shot (no evidence in this btw) but this is solved by basketball coaches opening the gym for regular shoot around times during mornings or lunch times, which most athletes would be happy to do.  And yes some baseball coaches are concerned that bench press will tighten their pitchers shoulders, another phenomenon I have yet to witness, but this is solved by working with the football coaches to exchange the bench portion or the workout with a band workout that the baseball coach develops.  Simply put, a quality workout program that institutes Bench, Squat, Power-clean along with various auxiliary lifts improves the entire athletic department, not just football coaches.  Its just that Football coaches are usually the ones pushing it, because it is so obviously beneficial in football. This is typically an issue because coaches in other sports don't want to put in the extra time to allow room for a weight program and then have to put in more work after school, so they push back against football and bring up lame and faulty excuses.  If I'm wrong on any of this someone please send me a link that states otherwise (not a blog or personal opinion, but a study with actual empirical data)

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2017, 09:29:27 am »
This somewhat addresses the bench press for baseball players. Instead of doing plate weight bench press the authors of this study suggest chain bench press to decrease (perceived) shoulder stress. Both exercises show increase in strength but players report less shoulder stress when completing the chain bench press.

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Abstract/2009/01000/Comparison_of_Chain__and_Plate_Loaded_Bench_Press.29.aspx

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2017, 11:28:13 am »
I read the article and I am somewhat familiar with the benefits of using the chains and I don't think any football coach would be opposed to making the switch to using the chains vs plates if they have the storage space and funds for it.  But this is still in support of a quality off-season, infact if I had the means I would even be willing to try it out with all athletes and not just the baseball players if it shows no significant difference in weight gains.

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #10 on: Today at 04:11:43 pm »
It's becoming a trend to have all sports do the spring workouts with football, it is being forced on some programs that don't want to do so. What is the driving thought behind it?

Because other sports are being shown equal value... Why should football be the only sport allowed to have serious practices in the spring and summer? Kids should be doing multiple sports as it is proven they are less likely to be injured when they are all around athletes. Doing the same motions over and over will lead to injury and burn out at a higher rate than having variety in your athletic competition. Ask pitchers in baseball and distance runners.
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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #11 on: Today at 04:15:17 pm »
There is no doubt that many football coaches think offseason belongs to them.  They might support a sport being played in season but they don't tend to make it easy for kids in  multiple offseasons to go to anything besides football.

That is greed at its finest. Football coaches are definitely the worst offenders, but I have seen some coaches of other sports be that greedy too. It's just wrong plain and simple.

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #12 on: Today at 07:40:49 pm »
Most football coaches recognize the great physical need of increased strenght in football as compared to other sports.  Takes time to develop and maintain that strength plus develop other skill sets needed to compete in football. 

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Re: All athletes in football off season
« Reply #13 on: Today at 09:28:01 pm »
Basketball and other coaches know the value of strength as well.  Strength is relative to the opponent and to the sport.


 

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