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Offline GuvHog

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2017, 12:57:06 pm »
It's my understanding that Pulaski Academy has requested to be moved up to 6A and will do so in the next cycle. That would move Greenwood back to 5A.

This would put Greenwood back in the 5A West and Vilonia would then move to the 5A Central in PA's place.

5A CENTRAL
Maumelle
White Hall
Vilonia
LR Christian
LR Parkview
Beebe
LR McClellen
J.A. Fair

5A WEST
Huntsville
Farmington
Alma
Harrison
Clarksville
Morrilton
Greenbrier
Greenwood

5A EAST
Batesville
Blytheville
Wynne
Forrest City
Nettleton
Valley View
Green County Tech
Paragould

5A SOUTH
Texarkana
Watson Chapel
Hot Springs
H.S. Lakeside
Magnolia
De Queen
Camden fairview
Hope
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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2017, 10:15:35 am »
It's my understanding that Pulaski Academy has requested to be moved up to 6A and will do so in the next cycle. That would move Greenwood back to 5A.

This would put Greenwood back in the 5A West and Vilonia would then move to the 5A Central in PA's place.

5A CENTRAL
Maumelle
White Hall
Vilonia
LR Christian
LR Parkview
Beebe
LR McClellen
J.A. Fair

5A WEST
Huntsville
Farmington
Alma
Harrison
Clarksville
Morrilton
Greenbrier
Greenwood

5A EAST
Batesville
Blytheville
Wynne
Forrest City
Nettleton
Valley View
Green County Tech
Paragould

5A SOUTH
Texarkana
Watson Chapel
Hot Springs
H.S. Lakeside
Magnolia
De Queen
Camden fairview
Hope

I believe Greenwood would have to agree to the move down, so it's not a certainty. Also, I've not read anything on PA wanting to move up two classes.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2017, 01:59:50 pm »
I believe Greenwood would have to agree to the move down, so it's not a certainty. Also, I've not read anything on PA wanting to move up two classes.

PA would only be moving up one class. They have been in 5A for quite some time now. Greenwood is the smallest 6A school so unless the school above them agrees to move down, Greenwood would have no choice BUT to move down if the AAA grants PA's request to move to 6A.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2017, 02:42:59 pm »
PA would only be moving up one class. They have been in 5A for quite some time now. Greenwood is the smallest 6A school so unless the school above them agrees to move down, Greenwood would have no choice BUT to move down if the AAA grants PA's request to move to 6A.

I think RicePig is correct -both schools must agree to a move like this - I don't think one can be forced to move down.
However, it is possible a school other than Greenwood might agree to move down.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2017, 03:48:48 pm »
PA would only be moving up one class. They have been in 5A for quite some time now. Greenwood is the smallest 6A school so unless the school above them agrees to move down, Greenwood would have no choice BUT to move down if the AAA grants PA's request to move to 6A.
If PA petitions to move up why can't Greenwood petition to stay in 6A? 

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2017, 04:51:53 pm »
I think RicePig is correct -both schools must agree to a move like this - I don't think one can be forced to move down.
However, it is possible a school other than Greenwood might agree to move down.

I think this issue came up both times Shiloh Christian petitioned to play up...First to 4a then up to 5a

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2017, 10:31:28 pm »
I think RicePig is correct -both schools must agree to a move like this - I don't think one can be forced to move down.
However, it is possible a school other than Greenwood might agree to move down.

Yep, just like when WM and Russellville switched classes due to travel for a few cycles. One has to agree to move down in order for one to move in. I figure this thread will soon be Guv'd, I thought it would be informative, but it's soon to hit the crapper.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2017, 02:46:00 pm »
Yep, just like when WM and Russellville switched classes due to travel for a few cycles. One has to agree to move down in order for one to move in. I figure this thread will soon be Guv'd, I thought it would be informative, but it's soon to hit the crapper.

Then how do you explain Huntsville's situation?? They do not want to move back up to 5A but it looks like they will have no choice.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2017, 03:10:10 pm »
Then how do you explain Huntsville's situation?? They do not want to move back up to 5A but it looks like they will have no choice.

Call the AAA and get your answer, I refuse to try and explain to you how it's done, it's really simple to understand.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2017, 03:22:06 pm »
Call the AAA and get your answer, I refuse to try and explain to you how it's done, it's really simple to understand.

I'm not meaning to be a smart-Aleck about it, I truly want to know how they do it. How often does a private school request to move up in classification get turned down?? I know Shiloh Christian moved up to 5A for a couple of years then quickly jumped back to 4A.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2017, 03:40:51 pm »
Then how do you explain Huntsville's situation?? They do not want to move back up to 5A but it looks like they will have no choice.

If the numbers put a school in a classification, that's where they fall.  Knowing a bit about Huntsville, I agree they are happier in 4A than 5A because of the lessened travel demands but if the 3 year student count numbers put Huntsville in 5A, that's where they will be. 

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2017, 03:42:50 pm »
I'm not meaning to be a smart-Aleck about it, I truly want to know how they do it. How often does a private school request to move up in classification get turned down?? I know Shiloh Christian moved up to 5A for a couple of years then quickly jumped back to 4A.

In this case, Shiloh's numbers put them in the 4A but the school opted to play up to 5A for a cycle or two.  After a bit of that experience, Shiloh preferred to stay 4A which was where the classification process put them. 

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2017, 05:04:48 pm »
Somewhat off topic, but it appears to me the private schools can control the bottom of the classification if they make the decision to move up or down. One day that will come back to bite them. I'm really surprised the publics let it happen.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2017, 05:16:15 pm »
Somewhat off topic, but it appears to me the private schools can control the bottom of the classification if they make the decision to move up or down. One day that will come back to bite them. I'm really surprised the publics let it happen.

I would say its easier to find a monticello or fountain lake to move down a class rather than find a Prairie grove or Nashville to move up a class to allow you to go down....

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2017, 05:31:54 pm »
Somewhat off topic, but it appears to me the private schools can control the bottom of the classification if they make the decision to move up or down. One day that will come back to bite them. I'm really surprised the publics let it happen.

They don't get the option to move down. They are required to play up one classification, and can request to move up, if they can find a school willing to drop down in classification.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2017, 10:55:42 am »
Any idea when the official numbers come out

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2017, 11:11:47 am »
Any idea when the official numbers come out

Looks like it was April 30, 2015 last time.


http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=141664.0

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2017, 03:23:47 pm »
Looks like it was April 30, 2015 last time.


http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=141664.0

The pdf shows April 27, but who knows when it was actually uploaded to the website.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2017, 03:07:32 pm »
I think this issue came up both times Shiloh Christian petitioned to play up...First to 4a then up to 5a

There was no petition process until after PA tried to stay in 5A for the 2010-2012 cycle.  The petition was implemented for the 2012-2014 cycle, where Shiloh used it to go up to 5A.  I highly doubt PA has petitioned to move up to 6A, because the AAA would not allow them to move up football only.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2017, 08:50:24 am »
How's it going to affect subiaco?
About 40 of our 190 students are from the Fort Smith area, but I've heard that we do not foresee the Fort Smith Catholic School putting a significant hit on enrollment, so I don't see Subi moving classifications in this cycle.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 08:54:01 am by andydavis1234 »

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2017, 11:38:40 am »
There was no petition process until after PA tried to stay in 5A for the 2010-2012 cycle.  The petition was implemented for the 2012-2014 cycle, where Shiloh used it to go up to 5A.  I highly doubt PA has petitioned to move up to 6A, because the AAA would not allow them to move up football only.

It's my understanding that PA has indeed petitioned to move up to 6A for the 2018-2020 cycle and it has been granted. Greenwood will drop back to 5A.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2017, 03:18:32 pm »
It's my understanding that PA has indeed petitioned to move up to 6A for the 2018-2020 cycle and it has been granted. Greenwood will drop back to 5A.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but usually the petitioning to move happens after the numbers are released.  The private schools now have a representative on the Board of Directors, so maybe it was discussed, but per usual, the AAA releases the numbers and that is the first time the schools see the actual numbers. 

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2017, 04:12:49 pm »
I'm not saying you're wrong, but usually the petitioning to move happens after the numbers are released.  The private schools now have a representative on the Board of Directors, so maybe it was discussed, but per usual, the AAA releases the numbers and that is the first time the schools see the actual numbers. 

Understood. I could be misinformed, I'll admit that so I appreciate the information.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2017, 10:30:12 pm »
 No petition has been filed for football. Also for those wondering the following is the process for classification.  AAA will release the numbers.  Activity districts meet and vote on presented proposals on classification and other topics.  The proposals must receive enough votes to be on the docket in August.  The AAA board will make recommendations on the proposals that receive enough votes in their activity districts of no position , do or don't pass.  In August the schools vote on the proposals that made it through the activity districts.  Note membership will likely vote with AAA recommendation. Obviously proposals to pass will need a majority or percentage to pass. Therefore it will be August before anyone knows the classification set up for all sports with 100% certainty. Next year will be blended conference.  Also from what i hear Greeenwood will no longer be the smallest 6A school. 
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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2017, 08:26:04 am »
No petition has been filed for football. Also for those wondering the following is the process for classification.  AAA will release the numbers.  Activity districts meet and vote on presented proposals on classification and other topics.  The proposals must receive enough votes to be on the docket in August.  The AAA board will make recommendations on the proposals that receive enough votes in their activity districts of no position , do or don't pass.  In August the schools vote on the proposals that made it through the activity districts.  Note membership will likely vote with AAA recommendation. Obviously proposals to pass will need a majority or percentage to pass. Therefore it will be August before anyone knows the classification set up for all sports with 100% certainty. Next year will be blended conference.  Also from what i hear Greeenwood will no longer be the smallest 6A school. 

I don't believe the Conferences will be blended for football but they will for all other sports.

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Re: Predictions for Reclassification for 2018-2020 Cycle
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2017, 09:27:49 pm »
That is my understanding at this point as well.

 

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