Saw the MC Head Football/AD job posted. Did Coach Efird resign/retire? He's a good man and has done well at MC over the years
Resigned. Going to continue to teach still.
This should be interesting who they hire.
Where is it posted?
It's on SchoolSpring I'm pretty sure.
The head basketball job has come open as well
head fb and bball the same day? Whats going on at magnet, both of those coaches had been there a while.
The basketball job is on SchoolSpring, but not football
Quote from: nomorewhining on March 29, 2017, 01:10:08 pm
The basketball job is on SchoolSpring, but not football
Both on school spring 1 after the other
2 alumni and 1 current coach will more than likely be in the running.
I really hope coach Golden will get the job
Yea, and maybe he will have loyal assistants too!
What exactly would be Golden's selling point for getting the job? Not trying to be negative just curious what he has done since being at magnet as the offensive coordinator?
Not sure how big of a hurry they are in but was told Barrett, Amerson, Golden were some names being thrown around.
Why did you bring him up when I was talking about loyal assistants?
Who is that?
Quote from: mriderpride84 on March 30, 2017, 07:13:11 pm
Not sure how big of a hurry they are in but was told Barrett, Amerson, Golden were some names being thrown around.
Seems like Barrett would be a no brainer. He was a very good player for them a while back and has been 2a COY... Who is Amerson?
Barrett has done well at Poyen rough last couple years but tough in a traditional basketball school. Amerson was a former good player as well no HC experience but has been around the state with success. Currently at Sheridan don't even know if he would take the pay cut.
coach golden said that he wants the best coach possible for us, and i know poyen dont work like we do and i want a coach that will make us work. Coach golden is the best coach for the job
Coach Barrett is a good coach and good person....He would be a great fit for the job. Amerson wouldn't be bad either. He has been around and has a lot of experience in a lot of different programs
Quote from: panther_forever on March 31, 2017, 08:39:57 am
coach golden said that he wants the best coach possible for us, and i know poyen dont work like we do and i want a coach that will make us work. Coach golden is the best coach for the job
I wouldn't talk too much noise there bud. Poyen has beat yall 2 out of the last 3 years.
I just don't understand how magnet can believe that an assistant with no HC experience, (really no winning experience) is the savior of the program when they just ran off a HC that just a few short years ago won back to back to back conference championships. What has golden done? other than divide the players and parents against Efird, have rumored personal life issues, and be a part of two bad seasons at the cove? Must be the parents think they can manipulate him..
I just hope my England lions can hire someone to fill the big shoes coach Farmer left!
Kinda surprised Englands Coach Garrick isnt named in this list. He is as good a coach as golden is and has been a part of a successful team. He is a magnet boy as well.
I know Barrett and Amerson, and they are both great guys. Barrett is a solid coach who has helped make Poyen competitive. He is a pretty calm guy that gets along with kids, and parents well. He was the OC at hot springs, which their record didn't tell the story of the issues hot springs had going on. Amerson had a great defense at Strong as the DC, and took a terrible 0-10 Marshall team to the playoffs as the OC in 1 year. He was at McGeehe for the last few years with a lot of success. He has a lot of fire, and kids love him. I saw his son play in a pee wee game, and that boy may be better than his dad. Both would be great hires. These 2 are friends but polar opposites when it comes to personalities. Barrett is calm and politically correct guy, while Amerson is more tempo and sometimes not so politically correct.
Quote from: Str8thug on March 31, 2017, 09:30:04 am
Kinda surprised Englands Coach Garrick isnt named in this list. He is as good a coach as golden is and has been a part of a successful team. He is a magnet boy as well.
I thought Garrick was from Warren?
Garrick good guy, but only has a few years in on a team loaded with athletes. Other 2 guys are proven winners with lack of athletes.
Garrett is the one from Warren, Garrick is from MC
What if a highly qualified coach with no ties to MC applied?
Depends if he is looking to use Magnet as a stepping stone or not I would imagine.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on March 31, 2017, 09:58:39 am
Garrick good guy, but only has a few years in on a team loaded with athletes.
How many is a few? 3 to 5 is generally good enough for small schools
They had 3-5 studs filling up the water bottles lol
well if the players had any say of who we want then coach golden to be our head coach, we dont want anyone else and coach golden was very limited on what he was able to do the last 2 years he was only allowed to run 6 plays the hole year.
Easy to put blame on the head man. How long has golden been there? If i'm not mistaken didn't Magnet start losing when Golden started calling plays? Looking at Efird's record it was pretty good up until about 3 years ago.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on March 31, 2017, 12:04:44 pm
Easy to put blame on the head man. How long has golden been there? If i'm not mistaken didn't Magnet start losing when Golden started calling plays? Looking at Efird's record it was pretty good up until about 3 years ago.
coach efird stopped caring the last 2 years i know bc i was on the senior high team he was good when we had athletes and when he knew he good make something out of the team and let coach golden get head coach for next season and we will see what happens ill be a senior next year and we will be in the top 10 next year even though every one is counting us out
I'm sure the players want the guy they already know and like.....and even though I don't know Coach Golden, I'm sure he would do a good job. But don't rule out everyone else. There may be another coach out there that you will get to know and like, who may take you to the next level. Just sayin'.
coach efird stopped caring the last 2 years i know bc i was on the senior high team he was good when we had athletes and when he knew he good make something out of the team and let coach golden get head coach for next season and we will see what happens ill be a senior next year and we will be in the top 10 next year even though every one is counting us out.
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I watched yall play last year, and Magnet should always be in the top 10, and can be for sure. Change isn't always a bad thing. Imagine a former Magnet Alumni would be easier to except then somebody else.
Dont forget Caleb Garrick has also won a state championship with Billy Elmore at Stuttgart, before his winning continued at England. How many rings do the others mentioned have? btw didnt billy elmore kick yalls tail when he was at glen rose?might be good to bring someone who worked under elmore in to instill a different culture at the cove. Them boys seemed pretty soft from what i can tell. sure they are "good kids" tho;D
Heard there were close to 100 applicants already. Not sure of any names. I figured the ones that have been mentioned on here are some of them. What about Finley at Bauxite? Another MC Alum. Played in college has some good experience. Just a thought.
Also saw Coach Kehner down at the store this morning in Magnet so maybe...... Lol
Once again Garrick is a good guy but how much coordinator experience does he have? Has he ever coached without athletes etc. I would be drawn more to Amerson because he has won with terrible athletes actually being the person calling the plays. Plus his understanding of those delta teams who out athlete us deep in the playoffs. Barrett has also shown he can win with no athletes.
Wonder how soon they plan to start interviewing?
Garrick ran our defense most of the time
How many alumni coaches does this place have
Just heard from a good source Barrett and Amerson were both contacted not sure if they were interested or not.
Kehner lives in MC and is at the store all the time. Trust me he is happy right where he is. Spent about 3 hours with him this morning as a matter of fact. Still can't get MC to sign that contract... SMH
Is Amerson related to the other Amerson that use to coach at Magnet?
Son
Well I played for the old Amerson and I know Magnet does not want a repeat of that mess. That was someone who did not know how to run a program.
As a father of a Jr. High Panther, I want someone to put in the time and be dedicated. The lack of dedication in the senior high last spring was disheartening.
I know my son loves coach Golden and his attitude and I know he pushes them right now in off season to get better. My son's bench has went up 60 lbs and his power clean up 40 lbs, and they start some new crossfit power training this coming week ( like flipping tires etc...). he also loves to play for coach Webb, who is a great defensive mind.
Also the coach will have to be strong enough to withstand the clique's at Magnet. He/ She will have to put the best players in the correct spots and not give in to pressure and/ or previous hype.
As for BBall I do not know the whole story, but with having an average year and head butting with our best player who left, and compounded with the Jr. Boys having a horrible season it may have been too much for the board to overlook.
The thing is Golden has been there for the last few years since Magnet has went down hill. Loyalty is a good thing but I imagine a few parents who have kids who got to start last year don't want to rock the boat. Efird had a great overall record there but sometimes change is needed and the boat needs to be rocked. And as far as Amerson goes I wouldn't worry about running a program he is an intense dude who absolutely loves the weight room. I would be more worried about what he would say to the parents. If you ever met the guy he comes off a little rough and don't think the little clicks around here would like that much.
Couldn't agree more with n2Deep.. when the coach can run his program the way he wants without interference the cove will do great things
Parents have to know up front what to expect. Nothing wrong trying to be supportive of the program but playing time should never be discussed with a parent. Sometimes parents think little jr is better than he is. I know some don't like Kehner but a friend was telling me parents know better than to approach him in a certain way. Sometimes that bulldog mentality is good.
That's why GR is successful
Looks like an easy decision here. Pick an ex-player from MC, make sure the kids like him and he can get along with the parents. All is solved. Oh, and if he can run a program that will be a plus.
I just hope they do a good job with the process on this hire.
how could they miss with the plan already laid out for them.
I bet the MC coaching search gets dirty before its all said and done.
Kraig if they don't already have their guy picked it possibly could.
From what I've heard at the water cooler golden is the front runner and it's his to lose. Just water cooler talk though
Hiring a new coach seems to always be marred with politics, controversy and unanswered questions about why A got hired and B did not.
IMO golden should be the choice. The kids know him and know what he is about. Everyone wants to say that MC didn't start losing until he got there as OC. He may have been the OC but efird approved what he could and couldn't run. Head coach called the shots. I say give it to him and let him show WHT he can do with a program when it is 100% his. That's if the parents and administration will leave him alone and let him put the right player in the right place. Not where mommy n daddy thinks he should be...
Don't matter who you hire if admin and parents are always got their hands in the cookie jar
In the 3 previous years before Golden came Magnet scored 30 or more (lots of 40+) in 23 ball games. Golden has scored 30+ 7 times in last 3 years. If he is Calling the plays he obviously not adjusting well to a playbook that had previously scored points. If there is a lot of applicants can't see why in the world they would be set on a coach that has not had any previous success. Kids like to do stupid stuff but parents usually don't allow that stuff because they look at the bigger picture and do what's best for them. Kids may love him but it's about the future too not just right now.
I love this community and a lot of people do regardless of if they agree all the time. We want the right person in here that loves the community and plans on building it in the right direction. I like 2 names I have heard one imparticular, because I want a physical brand of football back, and someone I know who won't use us as a stepping stone.
Hoping whoever ends up being "the man" in the Cove will sign the contract to bring back one of the biggest rival games in the state. There is no reason why Magnet and Glen Rose should not play. The kids on both teams want to play, or at least the GR side does, but the powers who have been in charge have refused. Both schools are missing huge revenue possibilities.
Agreed Glen Rose should always be on the schedule.
I guess I must have hit a little to close to home on my previous post it's been deleted. Just sayin
Probably because you said something about someone's personal character... Thats the only thing I could guess.
I didn't name any names unlike some of the post on this forum. It's pretty sad, seems like I might have hit the nail on the head. If every body knows who the ONE is. Just sayin
Everyone knows who your ONE is. Just not everyone shares your opinion. It sounds like you have a personal agenda against the ONE
Quote from: SR30 on April 03, 2017, 10:27:32 am
Everyone knows who your ONE is. Just not everyone shares your opinion. It sounds like you have a personal agenda against the ONE
I didn't think he came off as vindictive. You just can't talk about people's personal lives on a message board.
Quote from: SR30 on April 03, 2017, 10:27:32 am
Everyone knows who your ONE is. Just not everyone shares your opinion. It sounds like you have a personal agenda against the ONE
I don't but also have never been to Magnet Cove. I do know Coach Amerson from his days in Mcgehee.
I wonder if they have considered Finley or Evins. Aren't they both alum from the Cove as well. I think one is at Bauxite and the other at Jacksonville.
Quote from: old.dole on April 03, 2017, 11:06:39 am
I wonder if they have considered Finley or Evins. Aren't they both alum from the Cove as well. I think one is at Bauxite and the other at Jacksonville.
This place has to have more alumni coaches than any small school I've ever heard of.
Quote from: SR30 on April 03, 2017, 10:27:32 am
Everyone knows who your ONE is. Just not everyone shares your opinion. It sounds like you have a personal agenda against the ONE
Pot and kettle statement if I ever heard one
Old Doe Barrett, Amerson, and Golden are only names I consistently hear.
No need to get ugly and call people pot and kettle's there swag.. we can't help it you wear ft lake colors. Don't be angry cuz they can't compete in 4A. I don't have a personal agenda against anyone. Now go smoke some more fairy dust and make sure your mom knows you on her computer trying to talk like a big boy
Evins is a great guy! Kids love playing for him.
Yea I know somebody who teaches down there. They hated to see him go. They also told me his wife is a phenomenal elementary teacher. Package deal that hard to beat from I'm told
I agree Evans seems like a real nice guy, but he is what 2 or 3 years out of college with zero coordination experience would be a tough sell.
From what I've heard we have some pretty awsome applicants. Its kinda sad on how I found that out but whatever. JUST SAYIN. If we are gonna stay in house without question it should be Coach Webb he is very respected in our community HE loves our kids, HE'S LOYAL, all the kids respect and love him, Webb should be what everyone else is graded by. O did I mention he was LOYAL. The greatest compliment I think a Coach could ever get is knowing that parents respect and love them not only as a Coach but more importantly as a rolemodel for our kids. Kinda like the Head Football and Basketball Coaches. O did I mention HE'S LOYAL.
PPRD webb was head coach once before if I remember correctly, and didn't go to well. He is a heck of a baseball coach, and no doubt a loyal guy. With many good applicants should be easy to weed through 80% and interview a solid group of guys. The kids are being done a disservice if less than 5 are interviewed.
That was several years ago. I'm sure he's picked up a few things sence then. He has Head Coaching experience. That's more than the ONE has. And your right he is a heck of a Baseball, Football, Coach, Man, Role model. LOYAL.
I wouldn't interview more than 6.
I think Barrett would be a really good hire for Magnet Cove. Solid guy and has shown that he can win without the best athletes.
Yeah I agree 6 should be plenty, I've heard some has ties to Coach Nutt.
I'd say MC produces some of the most coaches out of any small school for sure. Probably more than some bigger ones. It all has to do with how they do business. They build true relationships with kids and teach them a lot more than x's and o's. Set a great example of how to lead a team. I just hope they continue this trend with whoever they hire. Including the Basketball position. Won't find better guys than Efird or Hamby.
Great Comment MAGNETO
Quote from: Magneto on April 03, 2017, 12:39:29 pm
I'd say MC produces some of the most coaches out of any small school for sure. Probably more than some bigger ones. It all has to do with how they do business. They build true relationships with kids and teach them a lot more than x's and o's. Set a great example of how to lead a team. I just hope they continue this trend with whoever they hire. Including the Basketball position. Won't find better guys than Efird or Hamby.
Any word on the basketball applicants PPRD?
Webb fell victim to lack of talent and a sub par coaching staff. Would like to see what he could have done with the groups that came through after he was asked to step down. Whoever they hire he will be a great asset to lean on.
Wonder who will be in on interviewing? That will impact the decision greatly.
Superintendent and current AD (who is also the high school principal) I'm sure. Not sure who else. Id be really shocked if they hire anybody from outside the district.
That for both sports?
Not real sure but I believe there is 5 on the hiring committee. That would be a travesty and a disappointment. At this point in time I feel the only way to save face. Is to hire outside of the district or go by seniority in the Athletics Department.
Depends on the 5.
Quote from: old.dole on April 03, 2017, 01:38:12 pm
That for both sports?
I dont think they have anyone in district for basketball. I think the in district is for football but someone correct me if i am wrong.
So the argument for hiring in the district is kids like a certain person????? I really have nothing against the in house individual just can't see where you could say he did this or that. There is just nothing to hang your hat on if you know what I mean. People lose jobs over making those kind of hires in certain big football communities.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 03, 2017, 01:04:52 pm
Wonder who will be in on interviewing? That will impact the decision greatly.
I've been told by someone who knows that two on the hiring committee are best buds with the ONE.
So what kind of seasons will the new head man have to have over the next 3 seasons to stay in everyone's good graces
3 10 win seasons I guess with the confidence some powers that be have in a man who has no supporting reasons to be hired. Nevins the elementary principal would be a good one to have on the interview board he has been a coach. High school principal obviously, and a few others who arent directly involved with him would be the best way to do it, but sounds like a few individuals trying to ram this decision down our communities throat.
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Quote from: SR30 on April 03, 2017, 11:53:39 am
No need to get ugly and call people pot and kettle's there swag.. we can't help it you wear ft lake colors. Don't be angry cuz they can't compete in 4A. I don't have a personal agenda against anyone. Now go smoke some more fairy dust and make sure your mom knows you on her computer trying to talk like a big boy
I have never posted normally just read, but I have 2 sons coming up the program and the idea of the school hiring someone who has not earned that position through evidence that they can win is just crazy I would hope our admin would show better judgement. Our community needs someone who hasn't been around the last 10 years to be tainted by the poison in our comminty. Amerson was mentioned on here, and several people in the community like that idea. I was at the Fordyce game when he brought that unathletic slow team down from Marshall who had no business being on the field with that beastly Fordyce team who went to the state championship game in the playoffs. They gave them all they wanted, and I just remember how fired up and physical they were even though they were out gunned at every spot. I was amazed how disciplined and well coached they were and thought if we ever get a shot to get him back home we need to do it. Not being here in years he would be a fresh slate and people couldn't say he was picking favorites.
HSC I agree he has coached both sides of the ball with great success, and he is a competitor that has coached in many different settings. Funny thing is I was talking to one of his friends from high school at the gas station and most people don't realize that as rough as he comes off he almost has a doctorate degree and the reason he hasn't taken a head job before now is he has been finishing his degrees. Now his son is older and he is done with his degrees it would would be perfect time to get him.
Couple points.
1. Those sub par athletes mentioned under the Webb era (Finley, amerson, and another coach at j ville parish) all college ball players. So throw that out. I do like Webb as an assistant, good guy, don't think he has what it takes to fight the political game and pull the staff together. Good guy though.
2. Magnet does have a TON of alumni coaches, and there are several not being mentioned. How bout Keith Barrett?
Js
I'll add one more thing as well. You want to talk about assistants with no hc experience. Why not a guy like Casey Moreland at arkadelphia. He has won a state championship at Stuttgart, called defense for the rice birds, currently the OC for the Badgers. Glen Rose guy who is definitely Firey and intense. Would bring a whole new brand of football to the cove. Young guy who has family living in magnet. He has the balls to go toe to toe with whatever and whoever to make sure politics and coaching division don't hinder kids from getting the experience of a lifetime that is high school football
Lots of good coaches out there just needing a shot. If they are going to go toe to toe with the politics they got to have admin backing them up. If you don't have that in the Cove then it doesn't matter who you hire
How many alumni coaches does MC actually have? Does anyone know a close count? Wonder why this place breeds so many football coaches??
15-20 sounds like lol. There are some good ones though
Seriously they do have a ton. I'll start listing and someone else can finish
Mark Kehner (Glen Rose)
Freer (malvern)
amerson (McGhee)
Vick Barrett (poyen)
Keith Barrett (poyen)
Finley( bauxite)
Garrick (England)
Evins (Jacksonville)
Mcaslin (Lafayette)
Parrish (Jessieville)
Daniels (Mansfield???)
Gray (Marion? I'm not sure may be retired)
(Needs some magnet people for corrections and additions)
What makes it crazier, they have that many alums coaches and not 1 single alum on staff?
Str8thug (sub par athletes? ) I've been watching panther football for a long time Parish was a phenomenal track athlete from what I remember and as many would agree Amerson was probably one of the best lineman that I can remember coming through our school. Why in the world would that have anything to do with who they hire anyway? I've seen terrible former players make great coaches. All that really matters is production as a coach.
You misunderstood me. Someone made an earlier post about Webb losing because he had sub par athletes. I was stating that he didn't have sub par athletes. The three I mentioned played for him. I agree amerson was good. Went and played at hsu. Finley did as well and was all gulf south. And parish was a freak athlete. So to blame webbs losing on lack of talent was grasping for straws.
Quote from: Magneto on April 03, 2017, 12:50:15 pm
Webb fell victim to lack of talent and a sub par coaching staff. Would like to see what he could have done with the groups that came through after he was asked to step down. Whoever they hire he will be a great asset to lean on.
Here it is, was not calling those guys sub par, he did.
Revels is on the coaching staff and a former alumni
Str8thug sorry misunderstood you.
Quote from: Str8thug on April 03, 2017, 09:22:06 pm
Couple points.
1. Those sub par athletes mentioned under the Webb era (Finley, amerson, and another coach at j ville parish) all college ball players. So throw that out. I do like Webb as an assistant, good guy, don't think he has what it takes to fight the political game and pull the staff together. Good guy though.
2. Magnet does have a TON of alumni coaches, and there are several not being mentioned. How bout Keith Barrett?
Js
Takes a whole group not just a player. BJ was a better track athlete than a football player . Huge difference. Great guy and coach just supporting my argument. Finley was not near the guy he was in college. Started taking things serious when he got there. Pretty sure he started out as the equipment manager. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Turned into a great football player later but that didn't help Webb. Don't know much about Amerson. Anyways my point was there were some really good teams that came through right after he was asked to step down. Those same teams that Efird has had success with. All I was saying is that I would like to see what he could have done with those same teams. No doubt he had good players back then but how many good TEAMS did he have? I guess I should have said sub par teams.
Anyways im not trying to turn this into a Webb debate. Someone threw his name out there so I just gave my two cents. Anybody know when interviews start?
Magneto haven't heard exact date but would assume soon for spring football.
Quote from: Str8thug on April 03, 2017, 10:11:45 pm
Seriously they do have a ton. I'll start listing and someone else can finish
Mark Kehner (Glen Rose)
Freer (malvern)
amerson (McGhee)
Vick Barrett (poyen)
Keith Barrett (poyen)
Finley( bauxite)
Garrick (England)
Evins (Jacksonville)
Mcaslin (Lafayette)
Parrish (Jessieville)
Daniels (Mansfield???)
Gray (Marion? I'm not sure may be retired)
(Needs some magnet people for corrections and additions)
Amerson isn't at Mcgehee as of 2016.
Amerson is currently at Sheridan
Now here is another observation, of all those listed alumni on Kehner, Freer, and Garrick are at schools that have had much success. You know Kehner isn't leaving GR. So if you want to go Alumni you are going to have to most likely take a chance on a vision more than experienced results.
Hear they will start interviewing on Monday of next week
Would love to see who's is on the interview list. It will tell how serious they are.
Who do most from Cove want to see on the committee to feel comfortable with the outcome
If the Cove is,going to go for intense smash mouth coaches then the parents are going to have to come to realize little Johnnie football is going to get yelled at from time to time... of those successful coaches listed I know 2 of them bring high intensity when they coach and if you can't stand to be yelled at, well u might as well tryout for band or cheerleading
Quote from: SR30 on April 04, 2017, 11:09:13 am
If the Cove is,going to go for intense smash mouth coaches then the parents are going to have to come to realize little Johnnie football is going to get yelled at from time to time... of those successful coaches listed I know 2 of them bring high intensity when they coach and if you can't stand to be yelled at, well u might as well tryout for band or cheerleading
Agreed coach golden is that way 100 percent and deserves to be head coach
Where was Golden before Magnet cove?
Marion I believe
Got the opportunity to meet bad bob Evins a few times when he was at sau and then at Camden. Class guy no doubt. May not have the experience that some of your candidates have but I wouldn't be scared to give him a shot
Evans was jr high coach at Camden wasn't he?
yes, he probably isn't ready to go home yet but I was really impressed with him the few times we spoke. Really good guy! Lot of people around Camden wish he would have hung around. This may have been said on here but isn't Vincent down in PC a MC guy?
Not sure who he is?
Didn't Fordyce win that that game with Marshall by about 30?
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 03, 2017, 07:42:15 pm
Amerson was mentioned on here, and several people in the community like that idea. I was at the Fordyce game when he brought that unathletic slow team down from Marshall who had no business being on the field with that beastly Fordyce team who went to the state championship game in the playoffs. They gave them all they wanted, and I just remember how fired up and physical they were even though they were out gunned at every spot. I was amazed how disciplined and well coached they were and thought if we ever get a shot to get him back home we need to do it. Not being here in years he would be a fresh slate and people couldn't say he was picking favorites.
57 to 39 was final. Down by 6 at half .That Marshall team was horrible. Fordyce team I still think we're a bunch of grown men dressed out. Point I was making the coach from Fordyce has been there a long time with tons of success and he just couldn't find a way to stop their offense. Amerson had an adjustment to everything they tried. Just feel for years magnet cove had always been knocked out by teams from the south in the playoffs and a man who has experience against that would be good. Part of good coaching is always getting your players to believe they have a shot.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on April 04, 2017, 07:27:43 pm
yes, he probably isn't ready to go home yet but I was really impressed with him the few times we spoke. Really good guy! Lot of people around Camden wish he would have hung around. This may have been said on here but isn't Vincent down in PC a MC guy?
Another 1? This is fascinating to me.
Maybe MC should go the Curly Wolf route and hire 10 alumni back.
I have known Vick Barrett a long time and talked to him yesterday. He told me he isn't interested in this job and not even applying. He loves coaching at Poyen and trusts the people he works with. There is just too many uncertainties right now at Magnet. No Loyalty!
MC has a lot of great guys that have graduated from here and in the future I'm sure most of them will develop into experienced coaches, but realistically besides Barrett,or Amerson I just couldn't see hiring one of the other Alumni. You run into the same problem that most have with current coach on staff what has he done? Has he had success of being a coordinator, etc...
When our admin goes through resumes they should ask the following questions to help shorten that list.
1. Have they atleast been a coordinator?
2. Were they successful (meaning was the team a lot better when they came into the picture)?
3. Have they coached more than 5 or 6 years for goodness sake?
4. Have they been successful with a school like ours. Not that our team has bad athletes, but not a ton of speed?
5. Do they have experience dealing with the community?
6. Do they have experience in other sports?(AD comes along with the job)
7. How likely are they to use MC as a stepping stone?
If you find someone that fits all of the pre-requisites, you've got your man!
There will be a handful of applicants that fit that description.
If Barrett turned them down. I can think of 0 that fit all of those.
Two other coaches that have come out of MC
Josh Austin Head Basketball coach at Williams Baptist Collage, Has been Head Coach at CBC in Conway. Has been very successful at that level.
William Frazier at Conway Has also been at Ashdown (hc/ad) and at Mtn. Home for a couple of years
Think they both graduated in 98 or so
Here is where you run into problems with that list of questions. Magnet Cove is a small 2A school. The only way you get a coach of that caliber to a small school is
1. They are on the downhill side of their career and looking to put in a few more years before retirement.
2. They have been fired from a previous job for not competing in a bigger conference so you step down to a lower one.
3. It is a alumni who is loyal to their community and truly loves the school.
4. It is an OC/DC with success and looking for their 1st head coaching job which usually means it's going to be a stepping stone and you might get a few good years before they are looking to move on.
Here is also where it is going to be hard. Magnet is a great small school with a awesome community. Most head coaches do not want to have to be in the classroom teaching. As bad as it sounds that's just how it is. Most head coaches just want to concentrate on football and what they need to get done. If they can't have that then they always seem to be looking for bigger and better. With the exception of a few, such as Barrett, most want to reach the upper classifications as a head coach. I don't want to see the cove as a stepping stone for someone. If they come in with the mindset of "I'm only hear to get my head coach experience and move on" then nobody wins. Especially the young men who pour their hearts into the game day in and day out. I hate to sound negative but is just the nature of the beast. Whoever is on the hiring panel I truly hope they instill in the new coach what P.P.R.D truly means. It's not just a saying in Magnet but a way of life. You take away the school from that community it's like taking the heart out of a living being. Panther pride is the blood line to the Magnet community and they deserve someone who will truly bleed orange for them.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 05, 2017, 08:43:20 am
MC has a lot of great guys that have graduated from here and in the future I'm sure most of them will develop into experienced coaches, but realistically besides Barrett,or Amerson I just couldn't see hiring one of the other Alumni. You run into the same problem that most have with current coach on staff what has he done? Has he had success of being a coordinator, etc...
When our admin goes through resumes they should ask the following questions to help shorten that list.
1. Have they atleast been a coordinator?
2. Were they successful (meaning was the team a lot better when they came into the picture)?
3. Have they coached more than 5 or 6 years for goodness sake?
4. Have they been successful with a school like ours. Not that our team has bad athletes, but not a ton of speed?
5. Do they have experience dealing with the community?
6. Do they have experience in other sports?(AD comes along with the job)
7. How likely are they to use MC as a stepping stone?
There's one that fits the bill that nobody has mentioned him. And he's a flamboyantly proud alum.
If a coach uses magnet as a stepping stone but leaves the program better than he found it, would it be a bad thing?
Quote from: jonesmiller on April 05, 2017, 10:18:44 am
Two other coaches that have come out of MC
Josh Austin Head Basketball coach at Williams Baptist Collage, Has been Head Coach at CBC in Conway. Has been very successful at that level.
William Frazier at Conway Has also been at Ashdown (hc/ad) and at Mtn. Home for a couple of years
Think they both graduated in 98 or so
are you talking basketball or football position here?
Austin is Bball Frazier is Fball
Doubtful either of them leave those high profile jobs though unless they are just wanting to go back home really bad.
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 05, 2017, 10:27:57 am
There's one that fits the bill that nobody has mentioned him. And he's a flamboyantly proud alum.
Who are you referring to?
It is always good for a coach when he is able to move up an on to bigger things. Now when he leaves if there is an assistant coach that bought into his program 100% and has the same philosophy and coaching style it wouldn't be a bad thing. Take GR for example. Their program was a joke when Billy Elmore took over and hire kehner as his DC.. kehner and Elmore worked together like a well tuned machine and took GR to the top. When Elmore left kehner stepped in and took the reigns without missing a beat and is still successful and will continue to be.
On the flip side look what happend to bauxite when Watson left. They fell off the map after he moved on. Another example is our beloved razorbacks. When patrino decided to take a motorcycle ride he set our program back 15 years at least. The players had to learn a whole new system and coaching style after that one nightmare called john l Smith.
Moral is if a coach uses the cove as a stepping stone you better have a good backup plan or your back to square one
Watson saw the writing on the wall with Bauxite getting bigger and bigger.
They've got their man.
Magnet better watch it. They aren't but a handful of students away from moving up to 3A themselves thanks to school choice. If that happens and history repeats they will be placed in the same conference with GR, Prescott, Harmony Grove, and Centerpoint along with some others. No longer will they be able to avoid the Beavers if that happens
Quote from: MagicMike on April 05, 2017, 01:06:32 pm
They've got their man.
That what you're hearing or what you think will happen?
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 05, 2017, 12:32:34 pm
Kevin Van darn Jr.
Who is that? What year did he come through?
Quote from: Magneto on April 05, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
Who is that? What year did he come through?
A really good bass fisherman.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 05, 2017, 07:11:20 am
57 to 39 was final. Down by 6 at half .That Marshall team was horrible. Fordyce team I still think we're a bunch of grown men dressed out. Point I was making the coach from Fordyce has been there a long time with tons of success and he just couldn't find a way to stop their offense. Amerson had an adjustment to everything they tried. Just feel for years magnet cove had always been knocked out by teams from the south in the playoffs and a man who has experience against that would be good. Part of good coaching is always getting your players to believe they have a shot.
Ok, was this in 2010? because its the only one I could find after research and the score was 61-34.
Not sure on 57 I know it was 39 for Marshall because they hit a counter play with 8 minutes to go. Fordyce scored pretty quick then recovered a fumble on kickoff then bled the clock out.
Quote from: Magneto on April 04, 2017, 09:02:45 am
Takes a whole group not just a player. BJ was a better track athlete than a football player . Huge difference. Great guy and coach just supporting my argument. Finley was not near the guy he was in college. Started taking things serious when he got there. Pretty sure he started out as the equipment manager. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Turned into a great football player later but that didn't help Webb. Don't know much about Amerson. Anyways my point was there were some really good teams that came through right after he was asked to step down. Those same teams that Efird has had success with. All I was saying is that I would like to see what he could have done with those same teams. No doubt he had good players back then but how many good TEAMS did he have? I guess I should have said sub par teams.
Let me just agree with both of you on both of your points.
I will make a point that Webb's teams were bitten by the injury bug. His first year coaching starting qb goes down with broken collar bone(Worrel)and starting safety great athlete. Out for several weeks when he comes back they beat the district champs Jessieville. Webbs 2nd year had many more injuries we started with 32 ended with 24 and I believe we had one of the best O and D lines and a complete lack of skill guys. Had to move so many people around just to survive and were limited offensively on what plays could be called. In that 2nd year alone Riggan the heart and sole of the defense and O line tore ACL in first game and never played another snap that year, he was the leading tackler the year before and starting right guard.
Efird did and amazing job I am sad to see him go he always treated me like one of his own players when I cam back to visit. Not to mention the guy is a heck of a football coach he has a proven record and no one can argue that.
I hope whoever they hire its someone who is loyal and is gonna work hard. I have my 2 choices of who I want for the job and one of those won;t touch it with a 10 foot pole. So maybe they have some sense and hire the other but I doubt it.
Who would those 2 choices be?
Quote from: dragontrackcoach on April 06, 2017, 07:06:31 am
So maybe they have some sense and hire the other but I doubt it.
You are right in doubting.
I have my doubts of a quality hire too. Just hope the people making this choice realize how important the football program is to the community.
Coach golden should be hc hands down after what i saw yesterday in practice us players dont want anyone else and now we have more people joining football because of him
Was numbers a problem at MC?
No problem with numbers. I believe they had 43 or so last year on the team. Gr only fielded 45 so numbers a good at the cove. Especially compared to the 19 we had my senior year lol
Oh ok. The way Panther Forever talked about new players coming out I thought maybe that was an issue I hadn't heard about.
Maybe he meant quality numbers. Not sure if there may have been some good athletes that didnt get along with previous coach but like Golden maybe. This could be because of Golden or it could be caused by the excitement of a new coach regardless. Hard to say without actually being there though. Regardless good to hear of excitement around the program.
If they promote Golden, would Efird stay on staff or would they hire another?
Ive heard effird is staying to teach another year before he retires but i am sure that would be up to Golden at that point. Im sure he would like to get his own choice for an assistant in
From following this thread I think they should look outside the district myself. I can tell several of you want Golden but usually when a team isn't reaching the level of success they want it's better to look outside of the current staff. You see more in staff hires when the program is looking for a fresh start. Just imo
How many of the board members are pro Golden?
Quote from: southarkdaddy on April 06, 2017, 09:34:30 am
If they promote Golden, would Efird stay on staff or would they hire another?
I can't speak for him, but I can't imagine Efird having any interest.
I know 1 board member likes him due to being his assistant softball coach little bit of a conflict of interest I would say. Imagine he would excuse himself from the vote
Is the Football job tied to the AD job? If so do any of the rumored have any experience at it?
Efird was AD/HC however the high school principal is now taking care of the AD duties
I truly belive our Hiring Committee, Board Members and Administration are PRO Magnet Cove School District. Most of them have children in our schools and they Love our town.
PPRD I hope you are right about them being pro MC. Hopefully self interest and pro community don't get blurred together.
No committee necessary. They have stopped accepting resumes. The decision has been made.
When is board meeting?
I'm sure they will call a special board meeting to vote. If the do bring in someone from outside they need him there yesterday to prepare for spring practice and get his staff lined out.
Hiring with no interviews?
I've heard there has been at least 1 bball interview but I haven't heard of any football yet
I heard that they met Monday afternoon to narrow the list down to who they wanted to interview for the football position.
Heard tonight original plan was to just push the assistant coach in by a particular person but the main man has had other ideas.
If I know magnet they will do just like Rockport police department. Already have someone hired but just do interviews because the state says the have to.
Guess if they do that next school board election should be interesting.
Quote from: panther_forever on April 06, 2017, 08:18:01 am
Coach golden should be hc hands down after what i saw yesterday in practice us players dont want anyone else and now we have more people joining football because of him
So let the kids make the decisions... hmmm....
Quote from: dragontrackcoach on April 07, 2017, 07:41:09 am
So let the kids make the decisions... hmmm....
That rarely works out.
Is there another reason they would hire him besides kids like him? I'm just struggling to get a straight answer about that. Kids want him, did a good job with offseason yesterday, etc??? I mean if I walk up to a board member and ask why he was hired what answer would I get? If you have kids coming up in the program this is an answer we want to know.
Sounds like panther forever is one of his players.
this thread is resembling the Waldron Coaching Hire Thread from a few years back.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 07, 2017, 08:13:37 am
Is there another reason they would hire him besides kids like him? I'm just struggling to get a straight answer about that. Kids want him, did a good job with offseason yesterday, etc??? I mean if I walk up to a board member and ask why he was hired what answer would I get? If you have kids coming up in the program this is an answer we want to know.
From my position on the sidelines, I believe the answer lies in softball rather than in football.
So does anyone know who they are going to interview? I understand they are starting them next week?
Best way to tell if it is rigged is by the interviews if they have a bunch of inexperienced under qualified people interviewing it is just a way for the admin to make Goldon seem not so far off from a few coaches that would out shine him. With the location of the school there is plenty of coaches with qualifications.
I know 2 that are interviewing and what a joke. Wonder if legally they have to tell who applied? High school principal is basically picking who to interview
It should be the "kids" choice yall "parrents" dont know what really happens in the weight room and yall dont know how coach golden will coach when he has full control over a team and i know for a fact theres not another coach that will come into our weight room and want to push us for success more than he will hes is in a lot of ways like coach kenner from gr and idc if yall like coach golden or not yall dont play for him we do we put the work in its not yalls job to decide at the end of the day we walk on that field and we walk off of it yalls job to support us as a team
And another thing us players have trust in out coach and ill belive with him leading us we can go far
Well whoever they choose I hope he can get with the English teacher and work on teaching some grammar.. wow
Although the weight room is a big part There is a lot more to it. A community divided is not good and a lot of people on here have dropped a lot of blood on that field. Parents aren't always right but we have seen a lot more in our time, and the opportunity to get the best candiadate for not only y'all but the future of the program. After an extensive search and multiple interviews there should be a lot of discussions but seems the admin is more concerned with being friendly and setteling for average. The few I know of interviewing are completely under qualified and y'all are being done a disservice.
Sad thing is although he was offered an interview and a guy I thought would be a great fit was called to much like Kehner by a particular person involved in hiring. I'm no super expert but I view that as a compliment.
HSC if it the same guy I think your talking about he has been offered a far more lucrative opportunity.
Doesn't matter if it's more lucrative. Point he's making is the powers that be at Magnet would rather have a sub par program than have little Johnnie yelled at. They want state championship teams with a snowflake coach
sad thing is I truly believe he would have turned down the bigger money to come home. Person picking interviews can only say he is to much like Kehner absolutely ridiculous.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 08, 2017, 10:49:01 am
sad thing is I truly believe he would have turned down the bigger money to come home. Person picking interviews can only say he is to much like Kehner absolutely ridiculous.
Did Kehner steal his girlfriend in high school or something?
I know Glen Rose has a bad rep but how can you be too much like a coach that successful and it be a bad thing?
Some pretty underhanded things have been done to Efird. Is that conveniently okay? As for reputation, MC can no longer point fingers.
MC needs to get the best coach they can, the most qualified and the best overall fit. They don't need to get an alumnus just to have an alumnus as their coach. Too much like Kehner, LOL. So you are concerned that you may go to 2-3 state championship games? I wouldn't want that dude either.
Coach he was saying that about is an alumnus. Fits the bill of what we need and him being from magnet is just an added bonus. Kehner knows him well. He can be a little over the top but he wants to win and build something. If another qualified person gets it so be it but the interviews I know of are a slap in the face.
What's really sad is I have spoken with assistants at other school who said they would take a pay cut to take the HC job at Magnet. All of the teachers at magnet are way under paid Imo. They want Cadillac teachers and staff but wanna pay hyundai and kia prices
I agree SR30 I hear all the time how low paid teachers are at magnet. Not real familiar with laws regarding schools but wonder if freedom of information act could get the applicant list? I know some schools have it in the paper.
Quote from: SR30 on April 09, 2017, 11:51:14 am
What's really sad is I have spoken with assistants at other school who said they would take a pay cut to take the HC job at Magnet. All of the teachers at magnet are way under paid Imo. They want Cadillac teachers and staff but wanna pay hyundai and kia prices
Sounds like MC parents need to vote to raise the millage so they can pay their teachers and coaches a better salary.
They have the money to pay more trust me. My wife got a 12,000 a year raise when she left there to a school one classification higher. The cove has a solid tax base with the power plant, Reynolds, Bozeman trucking, the railroad company, Martin Marietta and other successfully business in the district. So there is no reason the teachers should not make more. They have a way bigger tax base than the other local schools other than malvern
If there is all that support for the football program, you ought to try paying more. When's the last time the coaches got a pay raise?
Anybody know the contenders for this position?
Apparently a bunch of underqualified people and friends of the principal will interview to make nice with a few community members. Then decide Goldon is getting the job. I think that about sums it up. 2 people I was shooting for are no longer interested.
Who were you hoping for? Do you know the names of the people that are going to interview?
What makes them under qualified in your eyes
Nothing personal about a few guys interviewing but besides complete lack of experience there are other factors. Commanding personality, and a little confrontational mindset. MC loves it's football but as we all know there are issues that come with that. To be honest I think Barrett is a great coach for the town he is in but he is simply too nice for what is needed here. We don't need friends of the current institution. I want a guy that will hammer my son and tell me to get lost if I get involved to much. Guys interviewing look 12 and makes me want to hug them lol
Guys being interviewed are just a screen to the real hire.
Do you think A guy like that has a chance at MC or will he get "reassigned" like the other 2?
Btw I agree with you
To be honest we haven't had one Efird was a nice guy good coach but got done wrong because of his nature.The reason I am so big on Amerson is I don't have to guess what he is thinking or where he stands. If any of the coaches try stabbing him in the back it would probably result in a fist fight half way kidding. The fact that a certain group isn't pushing for him makes me want him even more.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 09, 2017, 06:08:49 pm
Nothing personal about a few guys interviewing but besides complete lack of experience there are other factors. Commanding personality, and a little confrontational mindset. MC loves it's football but as we all know there are issues that come with that. To be honest I think Barrett is a great coach for the town he is in but he is simply too nice for what is needed here. We don't need friends of the current institution. I want a guy that will hammer my son and tell me to get lost if I get involved to much. Guys interviewing look 12 and makes me want to hug them lol
Guys being interviewed are just a screen to the real hire.
So you know who the man is that is going to be hired and you must also know who else is going to interview since you think they are unqualified and have no experience?
I knew Barrett when he was at hot springs. He is a nice guy but he is also firm with parents and kids! Won't budge just bc parents want something
Pretty sure the basketball coach told a player to get lost, bc he wouldn't do what was asked of him, and look what that got him! People at mc say they want one thing, but why are they after the girls coach.::she's too hard on them...but she wins...mc has a lot more problems than who their coach is!
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Yes I know a few of people interviewing but not all of them got my fingers crossed one or two of them will be a possible candiadate. Im not saying the guys interviewing our bad coaches, guys, etc and they may end up being great coaches one day. But to throw them in this mess wouldn't be fair to them for one.With out pressure on the board Golden will be our next head coach.
I'll bet $100.00 whoever gets hired will be told under no circumstances does he sign a contract to play kehner's boys. The administration will probably put that clause in the contract with immediate termination as the consequences.
HSC you sound alot like other parents who only want whats best for the kids, the school, the community, as long as its what you want. I understand having a favorite and that's fine but to belittle the others as unqualified is pretty narrow minded unless you really know these guys well and know about their qualifications inside and out.
Will there be a decision this week? Not many for sure names on who is going to interview.
I think we as Parents of Students & Student Athletes need to voice our opinions about issues that will affect our children, community, & school. But we also need to let our Coaches do there jobs and support them, whoever's hired has some pretty big obstacles in dealing with us parents. I have no idea who's applied, but I belive the people involved in hiring our new Coaches will make what they belive to be the right decision for our school. I read a post from Magneto on this forum the other day and someone asked why has Magnet Cove put out so many Coaches over the years. I belive the answer to that is Compassion I've personally seen our Coaches and Teachers go above and beyond for our students. The young people that have gone through our School System & Sports Program have been shown what it means to care and give back."FOR THE MOST PART" and are LOYAL to The Cove. This is what has made us known throughout the state as a Class Act School not only in Sports but Academically as well. Our Coaches "FOR THE MOST PART" have shown our young men Christian Values and what it takes to be Good Men. But We should never have to settle for status quo.
Quote from: SR30 on April 09, 2017, 08:38:32 pm
I'll bet $100.00 whoever gets hired will be told under no circumstances does he sign a contract to play kehner's boys. The administration will probably put that clause in the contract with immediate termination as the consequences.
Lol its not the hc decision its the ad trust me coach golden would love to show up kenners boys lol
Game on you are absolutely right I do want what is best for our kids. My point is when you get a ton of applications yet pick young, inexperienced, or unproven coaches it is a set up. I am not attacking any of the people getting interviewed just pointing out the obvious. Silence allows people to do whatever they want. Thing is I would love to see the list of applicants, because if they do reveal anything it will just be the people interviewing. This is why I say it is a set up easy to get what you want when the deck is stacked in your favor.
If they hire a coach outside of the school district, do you think he will reassign Golden. The new guy will be the AD and have the power. I know he can't fire him but reassigning him is an option, could be interesting.
Panther forever he was already given the opportunity to make it happen if he gets the job, he declined..and yes it is the HC/AD choice on who they play
sr30 lets get a team camp for over the summer then
Man I remember Glen Rose And MC games that rivalry was fun. I know Efird didn't like their dirty style of play but I call it physical maybe a little dirty lol
So who is interviewing this week?
Heard 8 to 10 guys interviewing mostly past players
And those people would be? Quietest ive seen about whose getting jobs this spring.
I'm hoping school admin surprises us all.
Secret squirrel stuff secret squirrel
This and the basketball job have been quiet. Basketball interviews were supposedly last week and already over. Nobody knows who is leading the pack in either.
Well just from reading this thread I'd say first, you should be concerned about the character of who you hire, then if they can coach. Look around the state and see some of the scandals that have occurred. Loyalty among staff is important and the support of community if you want a winning program. Efird was a good coach but I hear he was short changed.
Quote from: gameoflife on April 10, 2017, 12:47:16 pm
Well just from reading this thread I'd say first, you should be concerned about the character of who you hire, then if they can coach. Look around the state and see some of the scandals that have occurred. Loyalty among staff is important and the support of community if you want a winning program. Efird was a good coach but I hear he was short changed.
This is true. Efird was a quality guy. Character is key.
Quote from: Beaver Fever on April 10, 2017, 06:33:58 am
If they hire a coach outside of the school district, do you think he will reassign Golden. The new guy will be the AD and have the power. I know he can't fire him but reassigning him is an option, could be interesting.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 10, 2017, 12:06:03 pm
I'm hoping school admin surprises us all.
Character counts.
Quote from: game on on April 10, 2017, 12:52:34 pm
This is true. Efird was a quality guy. Character is key.
Lots of high character coaches get fired for losing football games.
I know for a fact Barret made his decision last week to stay at poyen
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 08, 2017, 10:49:01 am
sad thing is I truly believe he would have turned down the bigger money to come home. Person picking interviews can only say he is to much like Kehner absolutely ridiculous.
Who is picking the interview candidates?
Principal I believe
Quote from: Oldman on April 10, 2017, 01:41:28 pm
Lots of high character coaches get fired for losing football games.
You are correct. Some coaches of not much character win a lot of games and nobody seems to care how they behave. I don't know why you cannot have both and certainly you should address obvious misconduct. Some do, some do not. I do know that when you tout someone as a roll model you should check their character first.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 10, 2017, 03:12:31 pm
Principal I believe
If thats the case golden is going to be head coach hands down
And that right there Panther forever gives you your reason. Too much of a buddy buddy system going on. Do you want a competitive program year in year out with a top-notch coach or do you want the principal's buddy leading the way
Is the principal an ex coach?
No never coached anything at the high school level that I can recall. None on the hiring committee have ever coached that I know of unless the superintendent has somewhere along the way. The superintendent came here from Junction City a few years back. We all know how well that program was. It would be nice if he could talk carpenter into coming to the cove instead of retiring. At least for a few years until the ship is righted.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 09, 2017, 06:08:49 pm
Nothing personal about a few guys interviewing but besides complete lack of experience there are other factors. Commanding personality, and a little confrontational mindset. MC loves it's football but as we all know there are issues that come with that. To be honest I think Barrett is a great coach for the town he is in but he is simply too nice for what is needed here. We don't need friends of the current institution. I want a guy that will hammer my son and tell me to get lost if I get involved to much. Guys interviewing look 12 and makes me want to hug them lol
Guys being interviewed are just a screen to the real hire.
Your crazy if you think Barrett is "too nice". I know one of the guys interviewing and he has coached under great head coaches. He would be my choice. He may look young to you but he knows football in and out and would be able to put MC back on the map.
Quote from: dragontrackcoach on April 11, 2017, 07:41:28 am
Your crazy if you think Barrett is "too nice". I know one of the guys interviewing and he has coached under great head coaches. He would be my choice. He may look young to you but he knows football in and out and would be able to put MC back on the map.
coach golden is a better coach
I think panther forever has a boy crush on golden ;D
yep lol
Quote from: panther_forever on April 11, 2017, 08:07:11 am
coach golden is a better coach
I am glad Barrett is not coming cause you or Magnet do not deserve a coach that good.
Dragon who is the younger coach you speak of? Was he offensive or defensive coordinator?
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 11, 2017, 09:16:20 am
Dragon who is the younger coach you speak of? Was he offensive or defensive coordinator?
Pride I'm sorry man I dont think he wants his name mentioned. He is a D-coordinator though. might be a give away
If its who I think 1 year coordinator experience and that one year resulted in a 0-10 record. I understand that school has a long way to go and there are a few other circumstances going on there, but it just comes back to same point with golden what has he done. Some times the bad side of sports is we look at statistics, and results. Not to say future won't be good for him, but hard to make that argument at this time.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 11, 2017, 10:11:23 am
If its who I think 1 year coordinator experience and that one year resulted in a 0-10 record. I understand that school has a long way to go and there are a few other circumstances going on there, but it just comes back to same point with golden what has he done. Some times the bad side of sports is we look at statistics, and results. Not to say future won't be good for him, but hard to make that argument at this time.
That is the risk a program has to decide if they want to take. Hire a young coach who seems to possess all of the tools to be successful but hasn't been given the opportunity as a head coach or hire a coach who has plenty of experience with decent results (the safe option). Let's be honest, Magnet Cove isn't going to be able to go out and get a proven head coach who has won state championships. Nothing against them at all but that just doesn't happen. Sometimes you have to take a risk on a young guy to find a coach that can win championships for your school. Someone had to take the risk with guys like Coach Kelley at PA and Coach Hembree at Warren. They were young inexperienced coaches at one time as well.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 11, 2017, 10:11:23 am
If its who I think 1 year coordinator experience and that one year resulted in a 0-10 record. I understand that school has a long way to go and there are a few other circumstances going on there, but it just comes back to same point with golden what has he done. Some times the bad side of sports is we look at statistics, and results. Not to say future won't be good for him, but hard to make that argument at this time.
Well whatever you say I guess you know more than anyone. I hope one day he gets a job and sticks it in Magnets face. If they let whats his face have it I hope they go 0-10.
Assistant-Coordinator-HC is the natural progression one would think. Taking a gamble with a proven coordinator would be a good choice. Taking a gamble on an assistant would have to be last option(Still ahead of keeping Golden). MC won't be able to find a big time HC, but there have got to be some solid coordinators out of the bunch.
This thread seems to go on and on.. I have a feeling the choice was already made, just have to go through formalities
Does any body know if any of the older alumni had any interest in it? like Freer at Malvern or Frazier at Conway? Eric Daniels has been part of several winning programs at Rison and Mansfield. If none of the guys like that had any interest that might say a lot about the job itself and how its being viewed in coaching circles.
I know Freer,Frazier,Amerson, and Barrett have no interest in this job. Wonder why they have all backed away from it. Money maybe? To much Drama?
Drama
Why can't it just be bad timing for them. Freer has older kids Barrett has younger kids. Why can't it be that they are just happy where they are.
To much parent involvement. If your son isn't playing or getting enough attention then they complain until a change is made. Can't coach that way
:P
Quote from: SR30 on April 11, 2017, 11:19:49 am
This thread seems to go on and on.. I have a feeling the choice was already made, just have to go through formalities
Remove the Glen Rose pimping and it's only 3 pages.
Who has interviewed and who is still to go. Hard to know who is or isn't a good choice if there is no information. It just comes to who do you know and who do you like. Not a thing in the world about qualifications.
OC Cox from bauxite is interviewing according to a teacher at the school.
Would be a good one in my opinion if that's the case
Quote from: old.dole on April 11, 2017, 06:44:28 pm
Would be a good one in my opinion if that's the case
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 11, 2017, 06:33:26 pm
OC Cox from bauxite is interviewing according to a teacher at the school.
Bauxite went 0-10
And scored about 10 pts a game.
Ahh there is Oldman showing his jealousy issues..your out voted in here. Majority wants the cove to have a kehner like coach. So maybe just maybe they can become competitive again. Don't be mad cuz GR is a top notch program and Mc refuses to a play them
Interviewing 0-10 OC's and under qualified candidates I can smell the cooking. SR30 a lot of people don't like Kehner but facts are he produces.
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 11, 2017, 12:07:18 pm
I know Freer,Frazier,Amerson, and Barrett have no interest in this job. Wonder why they have all backed away from it. Money maybe? To much Drama?
Yes Pride
money, drama, school board, parents, and anything of the likes. Most of them already made up there minds before they would not even sniff at it.
Played in the toughest conference in high school football as well. Patton must not be any good either with that logic. I think he has a couple rings to say otherwise. Can't judge Finley or cox on what went down in Bauxite last year. Finley was on staff with buck at Camden when they won state. Must not be any kind of coach though since he went 0-10 @ Bauxite. Lol
Quote from: SR30 on April 11, 2017, 08:36:43 pm
Ahh there is Oldman showing his jealousy issues..your out voted in here. Majority wants the cove to have a kehner like coach. So maybe just maybe they can become competitive again. Don't be mad cuz GR is a top notch program and Mc refuses to a play them
Show me where I've ever said a bad word about your coach. I don't know him and have never seen him.
You must have something against GR then. Nobody "pimping" them as u called it. Just stating these 2 school districts neighbor each other, all the kids know each other, the 2 teams should play and their is no reason why MC couldn't be as successful with the right coach.
Quote from: SR30 on April 12, 2017, 08:06:58 am
You must have something against GR then. Nobody "pimping" them as u called it. Just stating these 2 school districts neighbor each other, all the kids know each other, the 2 teams should play and their is no reason why MC couldn't be as successful with the right coach.
agreed
Quote from: Oldman on April 12, 2017, 06:37:06 am
Show me where I'be ever said a bad word about your coach. I don't know him and have never seen him.
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You are like the Bill Dance of Fearless Friday my friend
Old Dole once again nothing against those guys personally but something that has to be factored in is was Bauxite better last year than the previous year. I know that's a tough conf and winning is tough. My fear with a lot of coaches is can they win without a lot of athletes? Some coaches live off a ton of talent and MC is totally different.
Quote from: SR30 on April 12, 2017, 08:06:58 am
You must have something against GR then. Nobody "pimping" them as u called it. Just stating these 2 school districts neighbor each other, all the kids know each other, the 2 teams should play and their is no reason why MC couldn't be as successful with the right coach.
Nah, I'm in the 10% on here that doesn't have anything against Glen Rose. Never been there. My point was if you remove the posts about Glen Rose from the thread it's 2 pages less. Same thing happened a few years ago with Smorphlet. We call it hijacking a thread. Try going 1 week in April without saying Glen Rose in a thread that isn't about Glen Rose.
Every coach needs talent, don't kid yourself. Yes some coaches do better than others with less but the more talent the better the results. If you don't believe that then think about all the "great" ones who have championships and then look at some of their bad years, they all have them. Good coaches have consistency and do well when they have talent. Bad coaches sometimes win with talent. The best you can do is look at results, and talk to people that know the candidates and see what impact the coach had on the programs they have been involved with.
Back to the point: I hear there have been several interviews, who? How did they go? Any word coming out?
Any news?
Quote from: old.dole on April 11, 2017, 11:25:59 pm
Played in the toughest conference in high school football as well. Patton must not be any good either with that logic. I think he has a couple rings to say otherwise. Can't judge Finley or cox on what went down in Bauxite last year. Finley was on staff with buck at Camden when they won state. Must not be any kind of coach though since he went 0-10 @ Bauxite. Lol
Old Dole dont forget he also worked under Elmore and Perrin at Stuttgart. He made himself a player at Henderson State. He was just the equipment manager knocking players back with dummies and ended up earning a scholarship and had a great career earning a starting spot. That was back when It was the old Gulf South to not the much easier GAC conference.
Finley understands how to get kids faster and stronger, not ony that he knows football too and has been under very successful head coaches. What happened last year at Bauxite was not a result of coaching. It was a result of Bauxite pushing Watson out after years of winning and maybe a couple down years. Oh wait does that situation sound familiar.
Heard a rumor that a texas OC interviewed monday and "knocked it out of the park!" Think he was a QB in college and his dad had been a head football coach as well. anybody in the cove got a name to go with this guy?
Believe me I think Finley would be a good one as well.
Finley worked with coach Elmore as an assistant didn't call plays. Camden didn't call plays and bauxite did call plays 0-10 I'm seriously not trying to be difficult just can't see your selling point. Camden and Stuttgart 2nd and 3rd string players are more athletic than MC starters just a difference in numbers and type of kids. He may end up being the best coach in the nation one day but a hiring committee or a real one anyway needs to be able to say this is what this guy has done. Once again please don't take this as me downing him just that line of thinking will end up getting us Golden.
Str8thug I know who it is but until he wants it known I'll keep it quiet. However I will say he is an outstanding coach, teacher, mentor, and a stand up class act. If the Cove goes with him they will be back up and running soon.
What are his ties to Arkansas?
Never mind x Glen Rose coach that was guy I was hearing about couldn't figure out exactly who
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 12, 2017, 12:31:09 pm
Finley worked with coach Elmore as an assistant didn't call plays. Camden didn't call plays and bauxite did call plays 0-10 I'm seriously not trying to be difficult just can't see your selling point. Camden and Stuttgart 2nd and 3rd string players are more athletic than MC starters just a difference in numbers and type of kids. He may end up being the best coach in the nation one day but a hiring committee or a real one anyway needs to be able to say this is what this guy has done. Once again please don't take this as me downing him just that line of thinking will end up getting us Golden.
Hog
I'm sorry your right. What was I thinking. I wont say nothing else. Should never have gotten started, I thought I was talking to people with sense.
Nick Saban woulda went 0-10 at bauxite last year calling plays.
The End
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 12, 2017, 03:12:34 pm
Never mind x Glen Rose coach that was guy I was hearing about couldn't figure out exactly who
Chase Meyers
i could except that hire if it is who I think.
Dragon I'm not going to say anybody could have done better. Doesn't change the fact that it was a 0-10 record. Can't live off what somebody else has done when going for a HC position. Lots of coaches don't take jobs like that because it could be a career ending decision. The selling point was he worked for somebody with a good record. If you are sitting on a hiring committee can't hire someone without solid evidence. People lose jobs making those kind of hires. Think the young man is coming out in you.
Hog you also can't take one year and hold it against someone. Had the opportunity to learn from one of the top coaches in the state. I guess I will agree to disagree
Old Dole I couldn't agree more his time will come experience and working hard to move up the ladderwith great head coaches is what all young coaches should do.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 12, 2017, 03:27:30 pm
Dragon I'm not going to say anybody could have done better. Doesn't change the fact that it was a 0-10 record. Can't live off what somebody else has done when going for a HC position. Lots of coaches don't take jobs like that because it could be a career ending decision. The selling point was he worked for somebody with a good record. If you are sitting on a hiring committee can't hire someone without solid evidence. People lose jobs making those kind of hires. Think the young man is coming out in you.
Yes sir
Someone put it out there so I can comment. Chase would be a over the top hire for the cove. Full of fire and intense. Loves the game and the kids who play for him. He taught my son a little in the year he worked with him. Not only that but he has a house full of kids that would enrolled in the Cove.
Now on the 0-10 miners.. they were doomed from the beginning and it is nobody's fault. When your OL/DL look like wide receivers you are in a no win situation. Compound that with learning a whole new system. Bauxite has good athletes and will be back soon. So don't discount that 0-10 record.
Quote from: SR30 on April 12, 2017, 06:14:09 pm
Someone put it put there so I can comment. Chase would be a over the top hire for the cove. Full of fire and intense. Loves the game and the kids who play for him. He taught my son a little in the year he worked with him. Not only that but he has a house full of kids that would enrolled in the Cove.
Now on the 0-10 miners.. they were doomed from the beginning and it is nobody's fault. When your OL/DL look like wide receivers you are in a no win situation. Compound that with learning a whole new system. Bauxite has good athletes and will be back soon. So don't discount that 0-10 record.
+1
SR30 Myers would be a good hire. Wasn't discounting Bauxite for the future just using the 0-10 record as not a very marketable thing when a young coach is trying to show evidence of experience.
Quote from: AirItOut21 on April 11, 2017, 10:18:42 am
That is the risk a program has to decide if they want to take. Hire a young coach who seems to possess all of the tools to be successful but hasn't been given the opportunity as a head coach or hire a coach who has plenty of experience with decent results (the safe option). Let's be honest, Magnet Cove isn't going to be able to go out and get a proven head coach who has won state championships. Nothing against them at all but that just doesn't happen. Sometimes you have to take a risk on a young guy to find a coach that can win championships for your school. Someone had to take the risk with guys like Coach Kelley at PA and Coach Hembree at Warren. They were young inexperienced coaches at one time as well.
+1
Sounds like Meyers has some supporters.
I think everybody still supports who ever they like but Myers is kind of the middle ground.
Last interview was last night apparently. When is the next school board meeting? Think they will wait till then to announce?
I thought one candidate was said to be "to much like Kehner"....if that was the case, would meyers who has spent most of his tenure under Kehner not knock him out of the mix?
Guy who they felt was like Kehner decided to go a different route and from what I know about Myers he isn't like Kehner personality wise.
Havent heard anything about any other interviews. If you got Myers you are on the high ground.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 13, 2017, 08:43:26 am
I think everybody still supports who ever they like but Myers is kind of the middle ground.
At this point can it really be anybody but Golden? If half the stuff going around is true then we will just be right back in this same spot in two or three years after round two of undercutting. You cant convince me that any of the other applicants is a step up from Efrid ( that have been mentioned)( not that i think Golden is either) But the Admin has put us in this spot by allowing it to go this far. They need to double down on their horse and see if it can run or otherwise they will put Magnet Football back several years from this little debacle.
tomorrow we will know who the hc will be
If admin does still pick Golden they will have to be ready to answer a lot of questions.
Such as?
Quote from: mriderpride84 on April 13, 2017, 12:10:50 pm
If admin does still pick Golden they will have to be ready to answer a lot of questions.
If anyone had the pull to influence the hire they have already talked to the admin. Everyone else doesn't matter. Just a fact of life. It's not what you know but who you know.
did the myers guy coach baseball at GR? Trying to place him
Decision has been made for a week. Interviews are a formality.
Quote from: jonesmiller on April 13, 2017, 10:39:48 am
At this point can it really be anybody but Golden? If half the stuff going around is true then we will just be right back in this same spot in two or three years after round two of undercutting. You cant convince me that any of the other applicants is a step up from Efrid ( that have been mentioned)( not that i think Golden is either) But the Admin has put us in this spot by allowing it to go this far. They need to double down on their horse and see if it can run or otherwise they will put Magnet Football back several years from this little debacle.
Are you trying to indicate the problem is going to continue unless you hire a certain staff member? That's sure what it sounds like.
Yes Myers was the GR baseball coach.. but careful mentioning GR on here, some will think your trying to pimp them out.
And yes it sounds like jonesmiiler wants it to be Golden so the status quo doesn't change
Quote from: SR30 on April 13, 2017, 04:57:34 pm
Yes Myers was the GR baseball coach.. but careful mentioning GR on here, some will think your trying to pimp them out.
And yes it sounds like jonesmiiler wants it to be Golden so the status quo doesn't change
Don't get all sensitive.
Nobody sensitive here buddy.. just didn't wanna add to your anguish of reading about GR
I'm hearing rumors and I hope it's not true....
I have heard a name a few times and the person is not mentioned on this board.
Well what are y'all hearing?
I by no means am rooting for any one person at this point in time. But I do think the Admin has put all there eggs in one basket ( rather they know it or not) and had better hope that situation is successful because if it is not then I'm afraid that we will be looking at the same situation in a couple years. That is all I'm implying.
From what I'm hearing from parents if the one already employed by the district gets it there could be a exodus of players over the next few years, probably just talk like a lot of parents do but it is has been said. I must admit last year I was a supporter of this coach and even took some trashing on here. I will be the first to admit I was wrong, especially after the things I have heard over the last week. All you can do is pray about it and let God lead the administration to the right hire.
Guy from Louisiana with one year of coaching experience....please someone correct me
Quote from: Magneto on April 13, 2017, 09:37:20 pm
Guy from Louisiana with one year of coaching experience....please someone correct me
I told you all the decision had been made. That's why they posted the job and 24 hour later stopped accepting applications.
Anyone know a name? Any thing about him? Does he have any arkansas ties?
Dang if that's true we were all fooled. Wonder if it's someone with a junction city connection since that is where the superintendent came from..
I hear there is a firestorm already in progress. Rumors abound and I'll try not to post anything but facts, sometimes its hard to tell. Im sure they have their reasons but I cannot imagine a new coach with only 1 year of experience being your top guy, one rumor says 2 years. I believe he has been coaching at a small private school in the Mississippi Private School Association. The Glenbrook School? Native of Arkansas. Very hard for a young guy with little experience to run the entire athletic program.
Quote from: mrknowitall on April 13, 2017, 09:56:45 pm
Anyone know a name? Any thing about him? Does he have any arkansas ties?
Carmicheal, not sure of the spelling. Football 5-6 and 1-9 the past two years at that school.
Can't say that's what I expected... Can the MC faithful get behind this?
Like throwing a lamb to the wolves. Hope he proves me wrong. Know nothing about him other than experience level. Maybe he'll be the one to turn things around only time will tell.
Caleb Carmikel graduated from heber springs 2011? 6 wins in 2 years in the MPSAA..or something.....hmmm. Good luck MC
MPSAA? Looked at teams they played. 1 team they defeated had a winning record, the other four teams they defeated had a 5-33 record.
Im sure he's a nice guy but I would have loved to see his interview.
Is it true a board member resigned over this?
Dumpster fire
We all know this was a hire so he can be controlled. The administration wants to control everything they do..as an alumni I am embarrassed for magnet cove right now. the traditions and values we once held high have been thrown in the garbage and trampled on. They are slowly and surely taking away from what PPRD means..today it is standing for
P=PI$$
P=POOR
R=RIDICULOUS
D=DECISION
They pulled a Trump and dropped a MOAB on the football program..
I hate to say it but like I said this whole process not just the hire could set Panther football back for a while. Looks like those wheels are in motion right now. This community is not well right now.
I forsee a lot of school choice to leave the cove this year.. better get those request in quick. Deadline is may 1st
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 07:00:37 am
We all know this was a hire so he can be controlled. The administration wants to control everything they do..as an alumni I am embarrassed for magnet cove right now. the traditions and values we once held high have been thrown in the garbage and trampled on. They are slowly and surely taking away from what PPRD means..today it is standing for
P=PI$$
P=POOR
R=RIDICULOUS
D=DECISION
They pulled a Trump and dropped a MOAB on the football program..
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D THIS IS CLASSIC!!!
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At least give the guy a chance. Yes on the outside the hire doesn't look great but in a few years if the Cove is doing well yall will be all over him. Also remember, don't blame the the super or principal. They don't have a vote in the matter. It was the boards decision. On the other hand, did they hire a basketball coach last night?
well..... guess England won't be worried about the cove being a contender anytime soon! It is odd though after you guys talked about all your alumni coaches and then they go with a 24 yr old guy with 2 years of experience with poor stats. A source told me that golden will most likely resign, board member or two may resign, so maybe a clean slate will clear the air over there. From this board looks like a lot of dissension in the cove. Maybe this youngster can stitch it all back together.
Better hope he wins week 5 when the Poyen Purple People Eaters come to town lead by the "too soft" Barrett boys. ;) or else some folks will be eating lots of crow!
P: Panther
P: Pride
R: Ran
D: DRY!! LOL
Quote from: fann07 on April 14, 2017, 09:20:55 am
At least give the guy a chance. Yes on the outside the hire doesn't look great but in a few years if the Cove is doing well yall will be all over him. Also remember, don't blame the the super or principal. They don't have a vote in the matter. It was the boards decision. On the other hand, did they hire a basketball coach last night?
Word on the street is another poyen guy williamson is the man. Dude was at GR leaving for the MC? hasn't been confirmed.
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Quote from: Str8thug on April 14, 2017, 09:24:29 am
Word on the street is another poyen guy williamson is the man. Dude was at GR leaving for the MC? hasn't been confirmed.
So the GR basketball coach left for magnet cove? Thats crazy
Quote from: fann07 on April 14, 2017, 09:20:55 am
At least give the guy a chance. Yes on the outside the hire doesn't look great but in a few years if the Cove is doing well yall will be all over him. Also remember, don't blame the the super or principal. They don't have a vote in the matter. It was the boards decision. On the other hand, did they hire a basketball coach last night?
You mean the principal and the superintendent are not guiding these decisions? I don't totally believe that. I would suggest they may be getting politicked.
Quote from: Str8thug on April 14, 2017, 09:22:51 am
well..... guess England won't be worried about the cove being a contender anytime soon! It is odd though after you guys talked about all your alumni coaches and then they go with a 24 yr old guy with 2 years of experience with poor stats. A source told me that golden will most likely resign, board member or two may resign, so maybe a clean slate will clear the air over there. From this board looks like a lot of dissension in the cove. Maybe this youngster can stitch it all back together.
Better hope he wins week 5 when the Poyen Purple People Eaters come to town lead by the "too soft" Barrett boys. ;) or else some folks will be eating lots of crow!
P: Panther
P: Pride
R: Ran
D: DRY!! LOL
This doesn't jive with the idea that the principal and super had no imput. The board made the decision but then a board member has reportedly resigned and others are talking about the same.
What you have is a good old fashioned mess.
You could have had a great and experienced guy but I hear he expected things to be done to improve the program and at least some of the decision makers didn't like giving up total control.
Wow!!!
the end
Word to the Wise. Hire a coach based on their qualified experience, their plan to grow the program and their integrity and then leave them alone to do the job they were hired to do. Don't manipulate the evidence in favor of nor against a particular candidate because the truth eventually comes out and those who dealt in "fake news" will be found out. Its sad that a person involved in the hiring would falsely spread stories about a candidate because he didn't want him to get the position.
What is his connection to one of the board members? You don't make this hire without a reason him having close ties to someone. My bet is superintendent knows him being from that area. Is this confirmed 24 year old with 2 years experience really has to be a joke.
If this is true I know for sure Magnet will lose 6 kids out of the district
Coach Carmikle will do a great job wherever he's at...and from reading this board, people will find something to complain about no matter who their head coach is. Good luck to Carmikle and Magnet Cove!
Gunner you are ok with a few people deciding to hire a guy who is 24 years old with 2 years experience? Bad record to boot. My kids deserve better than that. And I'm sure the school will soon see the effects that can come with a poor decision. Obviously dome care more for who they know and not about the kids. I'm sure some will say let's just get on board rather than why in the world you would hire this person. There is a connection with this hire that has yet to be found. 24 year old 2 years experience and a poor 2 years at that hate to say it but thank god for school choice.
Wow.. school choice deadline is may 1st. Bad thing is if your child is in the high school level they have to sit out a year, UNLESS mc signs a release waiver which I don't see happening. Especially if you decide to come over to the dark side of GR. I actually don't know who to feel worse for. The school or the young man. He is fixing to jump head first in a swarm of Panthers, not just as coach but as AD..wait until those hacked off momma's come in about something with cheer leading or dance team while he is trying to figure out his game plan for the week. Not to mention a lesson plan for whatever class they are going to require him to take on..he maybe so overwhelmed by the time next season is over that he is praying to find somewhere else to go..
They are not high school yet thank goodness. Wonder if they hired him because he looked like a winner. Just curious if anyone might have asked the question in all of your 2 years of experience what will you do to win here considering you didn't at your last school.
What place would you be happier with in the area?
SR30 deadline is May 1st do I start the process at current school or new one?
live closer to Malvern, but I prefer smaller school.
Just to clear things up the hire was made by a committee not the school board. This committee included the superintendent, the assistant superintendent, two board members and the principal
Who were 2 board members? Anybody know if they explained why they hired him when the announcement was made?
Pride I believe the official reasoning was expertise in the Madden passing game, which allowed him to harness his skills communicating with other players online. He had snap shots to prove it. His last and only coaching experience the last 2 years was difficult because that area struggled to learn the Madden ways. But don't worry we have great experience and I know several members of the community will except what ever we decide regardless of how crazy it seems because we say so.
Sucks that there wont be a team to field next year
Quote from: panther_forever on April 14, 2017, 06:49:24 pm
Sucks that there wont be a team to field next year
so since the players don't like their new coach the logical thing to do is quit? Instead of getting their butts in the weight room and going to work for next season? I think I may now see the problem with why the football program is in the shape it's in.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 14, 2017, 05:38:56 pm
SR30 deadline is May 1st do I start the process at current school or new one?
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Quote from: blackcat23 on April 14, 2017, 07:08:00 pm
so since the players don't like their new coach the logical thing to do is quit? Instead of getting their butts in the weight room and going to work for next season? I think I may now see the problem with why the football program is in the shape it's in.
The team has been in the weight room and busting their butts for next season. But its disheartening for them to put all the work in and be rewarded with an unproven coach.
Unproven is an understatement just can't justify this decision. Would hate to be the admin and board members in on that decision.
No one on here that supports the decision has given a reason beside trust the admin that's kind of like just trust the government. Normal he is a heck of a guy crap is all I hear.
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 07:23:20 pm
The team has been in the weight room and busting their butts for next season. But its disheartening for them to put all the work in and be rewarded with an unproven coach.
i understand it disheartening but to quit? That's crap.
Not quit. Many may move
Are people really going to move, or is it just knee jerk reaction!
My children will be gone they may win 10 games next year but the best interest of the kids is not at play here and I can promise I'm not the only one.
10-15 kids is a giant financial blow to a smaller district. Think admin is greatly underestimating how big of a screw up they just had.
First off I would like to say Thank You to the Hiring Committee, Administration, & The Magnet Cove School Board for taking our concerns into consideration. The people doing the interviews must have seen something in Coach Carmikle. I've known most of these people for 15 years or better and these people did what they thought was best for the KIDS so Thank You. Now I know everyone had there favorites picked, the one they thought would be a perfect fit, the one that could blow up our football team. Crap I ain't gonna lie I did. But this stuff I'm seeing on here about School choice and 6 students leaving because we didnt get what we wanted is just sad
. I understand Coach Carmikle has a big job in front of him but I also know every Teacher, Principle, and Administrator at our school and they will help him I'm sure if needed. Now for the Coaching. What most of us don't understand is the Coaching community is pretty tight "FOR THE MOST PART" and the people I've talked to have nothing but praises for our new Coach. For me the proof will be in the pudding but I will give Coach Carmikle a chance and not bail on our School just because I didn't get what I wanted.
Every head coach was "unproven" at one point.
PPRD 2 years experience with losing record can't sugar coat that. People who made this decision are either clueless in their job or had a hidden agenda. Once again another get behind them they should never be questioned person. He must have had a special glow about him I'm guessing. I did have a person I wanted then opened up to many other possibilities you can't always get what you want I get that. You will sit here and say that a coach with "2" years TOTAL coaching experience a terrible 2 years at that a great choice for the kids good god were you on the committee? He may be a top of the line coach one day but your gambling with our kids he has nothing but 2 bad years experience, and you want to say thank you hiring committee.
Every head coach I've seen spent time as a OC/DC to get the experience not come straight out of college to a private school and win a total of 6 games in 2 years. Heck if the cove is satisfied with that then they should have left Efird in charge. It's a slap in the face to the other coaches who interviewed. So now if something doesn't work out with this coach, which I'm praying that doesn't happen, you will be lucky to have the pee wee coach from dimple doo Texas apply. They have set the cove back, way back. You might as well let one of the seniors on the team call the plays next year. Heck the senior will have more public school experience than this coach. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. This administration has ruined everything MC ever stood for. Yea I know I don't have a dog in the fight since my kid isn't there. But by gosh it is my hometown and my Alma mater.. after some emails I seen from a principal to a prospective teacher I lost what little respect I had. Straight up lied to this person in black and white then ran out the door to hide from it..karma awaits the cove and it's gonna be the kids and the community that suffer..on top of it all how do you put an entire athletic department, which includes dance and cheer, in the hands of a young man who hasn't even taught a public school course. Heck headed is way up quicker than malvern's Brian golden. Nobody on that committee had a single clue on what it is to coach football, heck they can't even control the elementary kids playing football by the concession stand.
I should've applied. My wife's parents families are from there.
Dayton apparently qualifications were breathing. I'm still waiting on the connection to a board member or superintendent something and then it would at least make sense small town buddy system. Without a connection just stupidity or doesn't care.
Could it be salary? Less experienced teachers (and coaches) make less on the salary scale. Anywhere from 500-1,000 less per year of experience on the scale
Well from what I heard today no connection to board members
Quote from: wormy24 on April 14, 2017, 05:54:03 pm
Just to clear things up the hire was made by a committee not the school board. This committee included the superintendent, the assistant superintendent, two board members and the principal
No this decision was made by the school board. The committee can make a recommendation on who they believe should be hired but the school board makes the final decision. The Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, and principal had no votes in making the official hire of the coach. Why do you think the had to have a special board meeting?????? I've seen plenty of times where the board has overruled what a committee says. Heck just look at what happened a couple years back with Watson Chapel and the coach at Des Arc. The "committee" told him he had the job however when come board meeting time the board went with another guy. Not saying its always the best decision to go against the committee. All i'm saying is the board could have made a different choice if the majority wanted it. So just to clear things up, when it comes down to it the board made the hire.
I get get what your saying mriderpride84 but I don't think there was an agenda other than finding what this committee felt was the best fit for our school at this time. Like I said the proof will be in the pudding. But to threaten to leave because we didn't get what we wanted is pretty sad.
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 10:11:56 pm
Every head coach I've seen spent time as a OC/DC to get the experience not come straight out of college to a private school and win a total of 6 games in 2 years. Heck if the cove is satisfied with that then they should have left Efird in charge. It's a slap in the face to the other coaches who interviewed. So now if something doesn't work out with this coach, which I'm praying that doesn't happen, you will be lucky to have the pee wee coach from dimple doo Texas apply. They have set the cove back, way back. You might as well let one of the seniors on the team call the plays next year. Heck the senior will have more public school experience than this coach. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. This administration has ruined everything MC ever stood for. Yea I know I don't have a dog in the fight since my kid isn't there. But by gosh it is my hometown and my Alma mater.. after some emails I seen from a principal to a prospective teacher I lost what little respect I had. Straight up lied to this person in black and white then ran out the door to hide from it..karma awaits the cove and it's gonna be the kids and the community that suffer..on top of it all how do you put an entire athletic department, which includes dance and cheer, in the hands of a young man who hasn't even taught a public school course. Heck headed is way up quicker than malvern's Brian golden. Nobody on that committee had a single clue on what it is to coach football, heck they can't even control the elementary kids playing football by the concession stand.
How do you figure that a senior on the team has more public school experience than the coach. What simply because he attended a public school for the past 12 years of his life??????? In that case, i'm pretty sure the coach has a years more experience on the senior simply because he graduated high school. Come on now, just because your mad don't make ignorant comments. Let the new coach do his job before you make judgement on him. A bunch of yall wanted Golden. If we are going with the asinine comparisons of experience technically Golden should be considered because he has no head coaching experience public or private.
Fan007 all I'm going to say about your comment is this. Not all the board was in agreement by any means. The board didn't get all the facts.
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 10:44:41 pm
Fan007 all I'm going to say about your comment is this. Not all the board was in agreement by any means. The board didn't get all the facts.
And that is the problem with a lot of school boards. Their members do not do their homework and simply vote on whatever the administrators wants. It's is a board members job to be a representative of the people that elected them and to make informed decisions that reflect their views and opinions in order to best meet the students needs. A parrot can sit on a chair and say yes to whatever the administration recommends. A real board member investigates and make his own decision on the issues at hand. Instead of blaming the administration in all of this it sounds like y'all should be voting in some different board members next term.
PPRD the facts are my kids won't go somewhere the kids are not a priority. You can say knowing the situation that this was a good choice made with careful consideration? I was totally against Golden getting the job but I wouldn't pull my kids if he was hired maybe get upset and get over it. I'm not even mad right now just hurt with what we have all allowed our school to become. Hopefully everyone remembers this come board election time. you like a few others are dancing around how absurd this hire is. He is young ok tough but not a deal breaker, 2 years TOTAL experience very tough, and finally it was a terrible 2 years at that. At what point to red flags not go off. Bottom line is this could cost the school several students and some will say that's just sad but my kids only have so many years in school and I won't let them be spent at a place where clowns run the show.
Well apparently Fan007 you must be one of the administration who sat on the on the interviews, buddy buddy with one of them or just live with your lips permanently attached to one of the 4th point of contact. I was in no shape form or fashion pulling for Golden, if I would have had to choose Chase Myers would have gotten the job. But apparently his written plan was to overwhelming for you because he wanted total control of the program without any interference. The powers that be just aren't willing to let that happen. No matter how you spin it in your world their is no way this kid, yes I said kid because I have a daughter his age, is ready to deal with what he is about to be bombarded with. You can spin your decision anyway WY you want but it still doesn't change the fact. Your coach will be a whopping 6 years older than some seniors, has never coached a down in arkansas much less a public school. And to top it off buddy you and the Cove are right there on the edge of moving up to 3A.. and oh boy wouldn't you know it the 5-3A is probably the toughest conference in the state of Arkansas in any classification. Your young coach won't know what to do When Prescott and GR come to town. Not to mention the ever improving Centerpoint Knights and HG Cardinals.. let me tell you there are people drooling st the fact MC may move up. They were a mere 16 kids away from 3A level last cycle. They made that up this year alone..can't wait to see the count when they reclassify this summer.. wake up snowflake, it's people like you who ruined PPRD and turned it into just some unless letters..suck it up buttercup your in for a long ride. Oh and nobody said they required head coaching experience..but you had coaches with a butt load more experience that have been OC/DC, and position coaches under some of the best coaches in the state hands down. With people like you the only time anyone from the cove will see war memorial is when you drive by going to the zoo..
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 11:23:59 pm
Well apparently Fan007 you must be one of the administration who sat on the on the interviews, buddy buddy with one of them or just live with your lips permanently attached to one of the 4th point of contact. I was in no shape form or fashion pulling for Golden, if I would have had to choose Chase Myers would have gotten the job. But apparently his written plan was to overwhelming for you because he wanted total control of the program without any interference. The powers that be just aren't willing to let that happen. No matter how you spin it in your world their is no way this kid, yes I said kid because I have a daughter his age, is ready to deal with what he is about to be bombarded with. You can spin your decision anyway WY you want but it still doesn't change the fact. Your coach will be a whopping 6 years older than some seniors, has never coached a down in arkansas much less a public school. And to top it off buddy you and the Cove are right there on the edge of moving up to 3A.. and oh boy wouldn't you know it the 5-3A is probably the toughest conference in the state of Arkansas in any classification. Your young coach won't know what to do When Prescott and GR come to town. Not to mention the ever improving Centerpoint Knights and HG Cardinals.. let me tell you there are people drooling st the fact MC may move up. They were a mere 16 kids away from 3A level last cycle. They made that up this year alone..can't wait to see the count when they reclassify this summer.. wake up snowflake, it's people like you who ruined PPRD and turned it into just some unless letters..suck it up buttercup your in for a long ride. Oh and nobody said they required head coaching experience..but you had coaches with a butt load more experience that have been OC/DC, and position coaches under some of the best coaches in the state hands down. With people like you the only time anyone from the cove will see war memorial is when you drive by going to the zoo..
Lol dang it you got me. I'm the Super at Magnet Cove. I've also got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona if your interested in leaving the Cove. But honestly I'm just trying to inform of how school decisions are made before you sound like an idiot trying to blame it on the wrong people. Sounds like to me you are board member or friends with one and don't want the blame put on you or them. Course I could be wrong seeing as how I don't know anyone at Cove. Just check my old posts all the way back to when I joined fearless. I have never posted about magnet cove until this job and the basketball job came open.
Well then you have no clue how things work in the Cove so u can't really speak on it. Those of us who have been part of the cove know how things work there. It's unlike any other district you could imagine. So like you said you really don't know any history about how the cove works. Otherwise you would read back on my post and seen my family got out of that train wreck over there. My wife was a teacher there so we know exaclty how they work. You would also see that my son plays for one of the best coaches in the state while my wife teaches at a school that with a few more years will have a top ranked program. You know why?? Their coaches have experience. I mean let's see how this really compares. Two local schools, not far from the cove, hire new head coaches last year. One being the former Bryant coach and the other being the former Fayetteville coach.. so who does MC hire??? A coach whose 3rd game of the season will be against one of those coaches..so back up, do your homework and know the school you are speaking of.
Quote from: SR30 on April 14, 2017, 11:53:31 pm
Well then you have no clue how things work in the Cove so u can't really speak on it. Those of us who have been part of the cove know how things work there. It's unlike any other district you could imagine. So like you said you really don't know any history about how the cove works. Otherwise you would read back on my post and seen my family got out of that train wreck over there. My wife was a teacher there so we know exaclty how they work. You would also see that my son plays for one of the best coaches in the state while my wife teaches at a school that with a few more years will have a top ranked program. You know why?? Their coaches have experience. I mean let's see how this really compares. Two local schools, not far from the cove, hire new head coaches last year. One being the former Bryant coach and the other being the former Fayetteville coach.. so who does MC hire??? A coach whose 3rd game of the season will be against one of those coaches..so back up, do your homework and know the school you are speaking of.
Your not understanding me are you. I tried to explain to you how it was the school board who made the hire no matter who all you blame but you just don't get it. That's how it works at every school magnet cove, glen rose, etc. If the wrong guy was hired then it was the board who did it, not the administration. Sounds like you have a personal agenda against the admin but hey that's cool. Whatever works for ya. Just trying to help you out.
And I'm trying to explain to you "Mr know it all" it doesn't always work like it's suppose to..
Hey that's my name! Lol! I'm just an innocent bystander! Wondering where all the mc people will school choice?
Quote from: SR30 on April 15, 2017, 09:00:47 am
And I'm trying to explain to you "Mr know it all" it doesn't always work like it's suppose to..
If it doesn't work like It's supposed to then it is the boards fault still. If the board is allowing a committee to make all the decisions for them it's still their fault. IT IS THERE JOB TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY HIRE. That's like me blindly voting for a president because my friends told me to and then blaming it on them when he gets it and doesn't do a good job. All I'm saying is if I'm wrong, when the board minuets come out. Send them to me and show me how many votes the superintendent, assistant superintendent, and principal had in the final decision. If they had a vote, then I'll admit I was wrong.
MC isn't that close to moving up to 3A. About 10 schools ahead of them.
Quote from: fann07 on April 15, 2017, 11:10:06 am
If it doesn't work like It's supposed to then it is the boards fault still. If the board is allowing a committee to make all the decisions for them it's still their fault. IT IS THERE JOB TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY HIRE. That's like me blindly voting for a president because my friends told me to and then blaming it on them when he gets it and doesn't do a good job. All I'm saying is if I'm wrong, when the board minuets come out. Send them to me and show me how many votes the superintendent, assistant superintendent, and principal had in the final decision. If they had a vote, then I'll admit I was wrong.
That does not make sense. The school board is supposed to hire or not hire whoever the superintendent recommends. They were not the ones sitting in on interviews and should not be.
Here is how all the board stuff works. The school board does not have the right to hire and fire. All the can do is vote on what is presented to them. If MC had a committee pick a coach the board can not say no and hire someone else. All they could have done was say no. The committee or superintendent had to have made a motion for someone.
Quote from: WHITEchicken on April 15, 2017, 03:01:28 pm
Here is how all the board stuff works. The school board does not have the right to hire and fire. All the can do is vote on what is presented to them. If MC had a committee pick a coach the board can not say no and hire someone else. All they could have done was say no. The committee or superintendent had to have made a motion for someone.
Agreed
Quote from: WHITEchicken on April 15, 2017, 03:01:28 pm
Here is how all the board stuff works. The school board does not have the right to hire and fire. All the can do is vote on what is presented to them. If MC had a committee pick a coach the board can not say no and hire someone else. All they could have done was say no. The committee or superintendent had to have made a motion for someone.
I agree as well that they could have said no and ask the committee to bring someone else or even to conduct more interviews but in the end they have the final say on yes or no of the hire. If they did not want this coach to be hired they could have voted him down and asked for a new recommendation. The school board does have the right to hire and fire. They can even buy out the superintendents contract and get rid of him. Do you not know how the chain of command works in a school district? If they don't have the right to hire or fire someone, then why do all hires have to be voted on by them? Even the teachers already at the school have to have their contracts voted on by the school board to be renewed. Who do you think does the hiring and firing at a school?
Quote from: WHITEchicken on April 15, 2017, 03:01:28 pm
Here is how all the board stuff works. The school board does not have the right to hire and fire. All the can do is vote on what is presented to them. If MC had a committee pick a coach the board can not say no and hire someone else. All they could have done was say no. The committee or superintendent had to have made a motion for someone.
By the way if they would have said no like you said they could do and the superintendent had recommended someone else, could they have done this until they had the guy the majority of them wanted and thus making the decision on the hire??????
Quote from: fann07 on April 15, 2017, 03:23:52 pm
By the way if they would have said no like you said they could do and the superintendent had recommended someone else, could they have done this until they had the guy the majority of them wanted and thus making the decision on the hire??????
There within lies your problem at Magnet Cove
Quote from: dragontrackcoach on April 15, 2017, 03:28:52 pm
There within lies your problem at Magnet Cove
I agree 100%. Vote in a board who has the guts to stand up and say no when it's not in the next interest of the children.
Wondering if he has signed a contract yet?
Southarkdaddy what do you mean there are 10 schools ahead of them?? I mean what does that even mean? If your referring to what the numbers were when the count was made 2 years ago then yes 10 schools may have been ahead of them. However it's not a "place" issue. If MC picks up the numbers, which they seem to have, they will jump in classification. It has nothing to do with who is in what place. It has to do with the amount of students enrolled 9th-12th grade. MC was 16 kids away from 3A level during the last cycle count. If they have picked up 16 students, which I'm pretty sure they have, and not lost many then they will be sitting right at the 3A level. Same thing with haskell harmony grove as they picked up 164 kids last year alone.
You're assuming the counts for other schools have not changed - do you have verifiable facts that support that contention?
When the new set of numbers are published, there are bound to be a number of surprises. In the meantime, a best guess scenario was published in this thread:
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=149405.msg3470330#msg3470330
by Fearless Friday's own Almatrackster. While these numbers are not official, he seems to have a pretty good handle on the numbers published by the ADE.
AT's numbers suggest Magnet Cove is not likely to move up from 2A.
Quote from: sevenof400 on April 15, 2017, 07:31:03 pm
You're assuming the counts for other schools have not changed - do you have verifiable facts that support that contention?
When the new set of numbers are published, there are bound to be a number of surprises. In the meantime, a best guess scenario was published in this thread:
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=149405.msg3470330#msg3470330
by Fearless Friday's own Almatrackster. While these numbers are not official, he seems to have a pretty good handle on the numbers published by the ADE.
AT's numbers suggest Magnet Cove is not likely to move up from 2A.
Don't bring facts onto the 2a board....They aren't welcomed here ;)
Quote from: HorseFeathers on April 15, 2017, 08:11:13 pm
Don't bring facts onto the 2a board....They aren't welcomed here ;)
We're in the Twilight Zone? ;D
It is a different world here...fun though. And active. The 5A and 6A boards have been dropping off in recent years...
I never said for sure they would but they will be close. Since the Malvern lawsuit was settled school choice has blown up. Numbers can change at any time. Haskell harmony grove had no idea they would get 164 new kids at the beginning of the school year. Granted that is 7th-12th but it is a lot. They had to hire new teachers and other staff to accommodate. Even speaking to one of the school Board members he has a concern they may move up. We will know this summer. Of course if they do the move won't beaded until the 2018 season.
School enrollment numbers are reported every year. What I meant was there are 10 current 2A schools with a higher enrolled than MC. They aren't moving up.
Numbers for the next cycle have not been released that I am aware of. Yes numbers counted every year AAA cycle is every 2 for classification
Sorry my math was off by just a few. Gurdon and junction city are the 2 smallest public schools in 3A with 186 kids 9th-12th. Magnet is at 164 for a difference of 22. According to the AAA the last set of numbers were released April 30th 2015 so they should be released at any time. What was the current enrollment 7th-12th this year at MC
I have no clue about mc. What I'm saying is there is no way the AAA is putting the cutoff where 10 to 15 2a schools bump. MC isn't in any danger of moving up this cycle
Research numbers from the Arkansas Dept of education website.
2016/2017 school year enrollment
Magnet Cove 2A 234 students 9-12
Glen Rose 3A 326 students 9-12
Horatio 3A 234 students 9-12
Junction City 3A 224 students 9-12
Gurdon 3A 208 students 9-12
So as you can see according to the state website MC has the same enrollment as one 3A school and more than 2 others. Like I said they could possibly be knocking on the 3A door
You can't justify leaving junction city and gurdon in 3A and not moving someone up like MC That has more numbers.. location will come in to play as well. If gurdon drops back to 2A there is no other local school to fill their place in the 5-3A other than MC. AAA takes all that into consideration.
Here is another great example
Fordyce is 3A and has 214 students 9-12
Yet another MC has more students than.
Quote from: SR30 on April 15, 2017, 09:32:52 pm
Research numbers from the Arkansas Dept of education website.
2016/2017 school year enrollment
Magnet Cove 2A 234 students 9-12
Glen Rose 3A 326 students 9-12
Horatio 3A 234 students 9-12
Junction City 3A 224 students 9-12
Gurdon 3A 208 students 9-12
So as you can see according to the state website MC has the same enrollment as one 3A school and more than 2 others. Like I said they could possibly be knocking on the 3A door
Your numbers are faulty though....9-11 is all that counts...And it's a 3 year average...14-15, 15-16, and 16-17 count on the numbers that will reclassify the next cycle
The numbers that almatrackster posted in the linked thread, have Gurdon, yellville, Marianna, and Fordyce dropping to 2a...P/W, Danville, rison, and chg being the football schools moving up... I wouldn't quote his work but the guy has a history of being fairly close in projections..
Like I said it may not happen and I did forget to take out the 12th grade class. What I'm trying to say is with the influx of students on school choice its,bound to happen at some point.
Yes I do understand how it works. Again they can not just say hey we are hiring this guy. They can shoot down someone presented to them by a committee. The people that need to be renewed by the board also is just that. They have to be renewed. Therefore they are presented to them. My point was the school board can not pick who they want. They can only say yes or no to whom they are presented. So don't blame the board. 9 out of 10 times the school board goes with the superintendents recommendation.
If the information from previous posts is correct, there were two school board members on the committee along with administration.
And one of them resigned due to actions of the administration
Quote from: SR30 on April 15, 2017, 08:48:35 pm
Numbers for the next cycle have not been released that I am aware of. Yes numbers counted every year AAA cycle is every 2 for classification
However, one does not have to wait for the numbers to be released if you're willing to dig through the info (and there is a lot of info) on the ADE website.
Click here (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=27&search=magnet%20cove&pagesize=10) for the ADE enrollment by grade for Magnet Cove in 2016-2017 and you can get one year of the three needed to generate the student population count for Magnet Cove used for classification purposes.
It is a three year average of the student counts in grade 9-11 that is used for classification purposes. This is why a one year anomaly in student count will usually not cause a school to move up or down (but not always).
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2014-2015 are:
9th: 58
10th: 58
11th: 58
Total: 174
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2015-2016 are:
9th: 49
10th: 56
11th: 60
Total: 165
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2016-2017 are:
9th: 71
10th: 50
11th: 54
Total: 175
3 year avg: (174+165+175) / 3 = 171.33 students
Quote from: sevenof400 on April 16, 2017, 07:35:55 am
However, one does not have to wait for the numbers to be released if you're willing to dig through the info (and there is a lot of info) on the ADE website.
Click here (https://adedata.arkansas.gov/statewide/Schools/EnrollmentByGrade.aspx?year=27&search=magnet%20cove&pagesize=10) for the ADE enrollment by grade for Magnet Cove in 2016-2017 and you can get one year of the three needed to generate the student population count for Magnet Cove used for classification purposes.
It is a three year average of the student counts in grade 9-11 that is used for classification purposes. This is why a one year anomaly in student count will usually not cause a school to move up or down (but not always).
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2014-2015 are:
9th: 58
10th: 58
11th: 58
Total: 174
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2015-2016 are:
9th: 49
10th: 56
11th: 60
Total: 165
Magnet Cove's student enrollment numbers for 2016-2017 are:
9th: 71
10th: 50
11th: 54
Total: 175
3 year avg: (174+165+175) / 3 = 171.33 students
At 171 they will def not move up. The number on the border line is closer to 200. And no doubt if they do they will be in the 3A-5.
were there any guys with coaching experience on the hiring committee? I'm sure we will all find out this week who was responsible for this hire, or on the hiring committee nobody to blame on school board members but ourselves. We appoint the board members and hope all but 1 are replaced then take care of admin problems. Look at schools who have a thriving football program admin is usually full of previous coaches. They are use to handling pressure and know exactly how sports programs effect enrollment, community support, and academics. We have 1 ex coach in the elementary. When your leaders aren't athletic minded the school will suffer as a whole.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 16, 2017, 09:28:04 am
were there any guys with coaching experience on the hiring committee? I'm sure we will all find out this week who was responsible for this hire, or on the hiring committee nobody to blame on school board members but ourselves. We appoint the board members and hope all but 1 are replaced then take care of admin problems. Look at schools who have a thriving football program admin is usually full of previous coaches. They are use to handling pressure and know exactly how sports programs effect enrollment, community support, and academics. We have 1 ex coach in the elementary. When your leaders aren't athletic minded the school will suffer as a whole.
Would you care to expand on that thought just a bit?
Sure! Administrators that are pencil pushers never see the value in athletics. They may show up to events and smile but don't understand the significance especially in a small school. Success brings more students, which brings more money to the district. Some students keep good grades just to play, which isn't ideal but whatever keeps grades up go with it. MC is a great area most parents who want their kids in small schools love the sports and feel connected with the school, which has a down side when some goofball decides to hire a coach with 2 years experience and neither was a winning season over multiple others who far outshines his credentials. They are probably thinking this will all blow over but I have lived here my whole life and never seen so many people this upset. Meeting was on Friday hoping people would cool off over weekend, but this week should be interesting. When the old men at our gastation say these people are idiots you know it's bad lol
I can tell you all but one who was on the interview committee. I do not know who one of the board members was but I know who 4 of the 5 were. I can tell you the ones I know that we're on the committee have no coaching experience unless the superintendent did years and years ago.
First of all, HSCHogFan, thanks for adding additional thoughts to your post.
My experience with school districts seems to have run the polar opposite to yours as over the years I've seen school districts encumbered by athletics to the point where the school neglects their educational responsibilities to the students. It is fine line to maintain the proper balance between academic and athletic demands and communities benefit most when that relationship is 'just right' (not too skewed to athletics or academics). It's hard to accomplish and maintain that balance.
As an aside, there is at least one member here on Fearless Friday (and likely more) who are school board members - they could tell from first hand experience how hard it is to maintain that balance.
With the constant changes coming from the federal government programs and the state board of education (requiring additional resources from the school) piling on top of the already far too voluminous requirements (i.e. unfunded mandates), being on a school board is a much harder job than one might imagine. But that's a bit off topic here.
HSCHogFan, I agree with you that an administration can lean too far in either direction (academics or athletics). And I'd venture to go a bit further here and say that balance is much different to maintain in a smaller town as opposed to a larger town. Athletics does play an important role in every school but given the likelihood of fewer alternatives in a smaller school district, I think it is more likely for athletics to get too much attention in a smaller school (talking here in general terms - not pointing this specifically at Magnet Cove).
Out of curiosity, let me ask you a few questions above Magnet Cove since I do not have any direct connection to the city not do I know anyone mentioned here who has interviewed for the HC position, or is an administrator or school board member at Magnet Cove.
Is is possible that the school is looking for every way possible to save money in the present political environment? School funding increases have been trimmed and seem to be shrinking. A lot of school boards have been concerned about state money (funding) not keeping pace with the cost of new requirements. Could it be the administration and board was looking for a lower cost hire - i.e someone younger - because there are fiscal concerns?
Quote from: SR30 on April 16, 2017, 12:32:22 pm
I can tell you all but one who was on the interview committee. I do not know who one of the board members was but I know who 4 of the 5 were. I can tell you the ones I know that we're on the committee have no coaching experience unless the superintendent did years and years ago.
Are you suggesting an interview committee should be comprised of coaches only? If a committee is supposed to be a cross section of the environment in which a teacher / coach is going to work, wouldn't it make sense to have no more than 1 or 2 coaches on a 5 person committee?
Apparently you can't read door knob NONE of the committee has ever coached,,, that means 0, zero, Nada, no mas, no Bueno, nilch, 1-1=0... 0 times any other number is zero.. can you comprehend any of those numbers or words???
Magnet cove is on no way shape or form any where close to any financial issues. This small district has a power plant, Reynolds aluminum, what used to be midland railroad, Martin Marietta which is a large company, Bozeman truck line, and several other businesses within its district for tax base. Not to mention they already pay teachers some of the lowest salaries in the state.. my wife got a 11,000 a year raise the day she left there and has increased thus year. holy cow I almost forgot about Haliburton as well. Not to mention a few private donors who pump several thousand $$$ out of their own pockets. So as far as goes I doubt that was a major factor.
My experience with administrators and school boards is that the mindset is mostly about money and jumping through hoops. Maybe they feel they're forced into that position, but the reality is that kids often get lost in the shuffle. Add power trips and politics to that and you have a total fiasco.
Quote from: SR30 on April 16, 2017, 06:13:47 pm
Apparently you can't read door knob NONE of the committee has ever coached,,, that means 0, zero, Nada, no mas, no Bueno, nilch, 1-1=0... 0 times any other number is zero.. can you comprehend any of those numbers or words???
Perhaps you should read your own posts a bit more carefully - your post of:
Quote from: SR30 on April 16, 2017, 12:32:22 pm
I can tell you all but one who was on the interview committee. I do not know who one of the board members was but I know who 4 of the 5 were. I can tell you the ones I know that we're on the committee have no coaching experience unless the superintendent did years and years ago.
You're leaving open the possibility that one of the board members could have been a coach (the 5th of 5 - the one you didn't know) and the possibility the superintendent could have previously coached.
Care to try again and answer the question?
Quote from: SR30 on April 16, 2017, 06:20:54 pm
Magnet cove is on no way shape or form any where close to any financial issues. This small district has a power plant, Reynolds aluminum, what used to be midland railroad, Martin Marietta which is a large company, Bozeman truck line, and several other businesses within its district for tax base. Not to mention they already pay teachers some of the lowest salaries in the state.. my wife got a 11,000 a year raise the day she left there and has increased thus year. holy cow I almost forgot about Haliburton as well. Not to mention a few private donors who pump several thousand $$$ out of their own pockets. So as far as goes I doubt that was a major factor.
I did not know Magnet Cove had this much business presence within their district - thanks for sharing that info.
It does seem odd to have that much business presence within a community and have low salaries.
Back to this past season, our boys were not prepared. At all. They basically HAD NO SUMMER WORKOUTS. They practiced the jr high more than the high school. How's that for dedication? As far as off season, they workout 3 days a week bc that's all the HEAD FOOTBALL coach will allow. Now, how in gods name can you prepare for a season without practice? Now for the politics, my motto is don't start none won't be none. As a former alumni now parent, this school needs a shaking all the way around. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. And I hear the female basketball coach done got herself in some hot water too. Seems like Golden and Webb are the only ones not on the chopping block. All the rest are out. It's a shame that it's come down to this and it all started when who came to town? Not golden but maybe the superintendent. Maybe he's the pot stirrer.
School boards only approve or refuse a recommendation of the superintendent. That's it. Now they do hire and fire the superintendent and they don't need much of a reason to do that. They cannot hire nor fire any teacher without a supers recommendation.
A two year experienced coach seems very risky.
Good chance you will never know why they made this particular hire.
I agree totally with Hogir.. I've never understood how you can prepare kids for a full contact sport when you go shoulder pads and helmet from the time you hit 7th grade until your last practice as a Panther. I know the AAA only allows a certain amount of days a week for full contact so you have to make the most of them. Teaching these boys to not go full speed and hit, only leads to them getting hurt. They don't know how to give a hit or take a hit. Hopefully this new guy will come in on fire and change it all. The real bad thing is throwing this young kids into the AD roll right off the bat to. He is going to be trying to implement his program and philosophy while trying to maintain the whole athletic dept as well. Should have left that with the principal for the first year..
You should always have a coach or ex coach on your hiring committee and they should be an ex football coach if its a football job, basketball if a basketball job and so on.
Quote from: SR30 on April 16, 2017, 09:01:01 pm
I agree totally with Hogir.. I've never understood how you can prepare kids for a full contact sport when you go shoulder pads and helmet from the time you hit 7th grade until your last practice as a Panther. I know the AAA only allows a certain amount of days a week for full contact so you have to make the most of them. Teaching these boys to not go full speed and hit, only leads to them getting hurt. They don't know how to give a hit or take a hit. Hopefully this new guy will come in on fire and change it all. The real bad thing is throwing this young kids into the AD roll right off the bat to. He is going to be trying to implement his program and philosophy while trying to maintain the whole athletic dept as well. Should have left that with the principal for the first year..
Theres a lot of people wanting to quit and move schools bc of this bs
From what I can tell the problems within your school and your program isn't with who the committee hired but with the attitudes of the parents at home.
You should take a step back and realize what behavior you are modeling for your kids. You can't always change your circumstances in life but you can change your perspective of the circumstances.
You are saying its ok to run away from adversity instead of plowing through. You're creating an environment of mediocrity and raising a future that will not be able to handle tough times.
Quote from: purpleswag on April 17, 2017, 06:42:36 am
From what I can tell the problems within your school and your program isn't with who the committee hired but with the attitudes of the parents at home.
You should take a step back and realize what behavior you are modeling for your kids. You can't always change your circumstances in life but you can change your perspective of the circumstances.
You are saying its ok to run away from adversity instead of plowing through. You're creating an environment of mediocrity and raising a future that will not be able to handle tough times.
I am a student for magnet probably about to be an ex student and by them hiring him its a spit in our face and in coach goldens face, i also heard that he quit this morning so i know for a fact that a lot of kids not playing next year so good luck to the coach bc hes going to need it
Quote from: panther_forever on April 17, 2017, 08:06:19 am
I am a student for magnet probably about to be an ex student and by them hiring him its a spit in our face and in coach goldens face, i also heard that he quit this morning so i know for a fact that a lot of kids not playing next year so good luck to the coach bc hes going to need it
So your screen name is a lie?
Quote from: panther_forever on April 17, 2017, 08:06:19 am
I am a student for magnet probably about to be an ex student and by them hiring him its a spit in our face and in coach goldens face, i also heard that he quit this morning so i know for a fact that a lot of kids not playing next year so good luck to the coach bc hes going to need it
Thank you for proving my point
your welcome ;D
Shouldn't you be in class? You probably wouldn't be eligible anyways since you spend all your time on here.
Must be skipping English Lol
Heard the new guy will be on campus this week. I'd like to see that in person!
Quote from: purpleswag on April 17, 2017, 06:42:36 am
From what I can tell the problems within your school and your program isn't with who the committee hired but with the attitudes of the parents at home.
You should take a step back and realize what behavior you are modeling for your kids. You can't always change your circumstances in life but you can change your perspective of the circumstances.
You are saying its ok to run away from adversity instead of plowing through. You're creating an environment of mediocrity and raising a future that will not be able to handle tough times.
+1 good post
panther_forever did Golden personally tell you he quit? Unless he did don't spread rumors
It's no secret why Vick Barrett stayed away from this job. Definitely not worth the hassle!!!!! Dumpster Fire!!!!!
It is easy to tell people to keep their feet in the fire but when its your feet it becomes much harder. Can you imagine being a junior or senior at MC busting your tail for that school for years. Then instead of getting the most qualified coach they could find they go the route they did. Now whether or not he can be a good coach at MC or not is yet to be seen but you have to go off of previous record until then. He has not proven anything til this point in time except he has like a 33% winning percentage. Whether it was from lack of talent, work ethic from kids, or coaching who knows it may not even be his fault and he may be a great coach. If I was a kid at MC I would find out what school he came from and start getting on the phone making calls or getting on social media to contact the kids in that area trying to figure out what kind of coach he is before I made the decision to move. However, you can not tell me that the coach they chose was the most qualified for the job or even in the top 3 as far as qualifications go which like some have said is a direct spit in the face to the coaches who are more qualified who applied, work there, and the kids who put their trust in the admin. IF I was a parent as of right now though I would definitely be VERY concerned. Now it looks like they could be getting to hire some new assistants. New coach/AD with new assistants could be EXTREMELY tough for a veteran coach. Hope it works out though and I wish the new coach the BEST of luck. Either gonna be a lot of crow eaten or a lot of I told you so's come mid october.
Quote from: FisherOfMen11 on April 17, 2017, 09:40:34 am
It is easy to tell people to keep their feet in the fire but when its your feet it becomes much harder. Can you imagine being a junior or senior at MC busting your tail for that school for years. Then instead of getting the most qualified coach they could find they go the route they did. Now whether or not he can be a good coach at MC or not is yet to be seen but you have to go off of previous record until then. He has not proven anything til this point in time except he has like a 33% winning percentage. Whether it was from lack of talent, work ethic from kids, or coaching who knows it may not even be his fault and he may be a great coach. If I was a kid at MC I would find out what school he came from and start getting on the phone making calls or getting on social media to contact the kids in that area trying to figure out what kind of coach he is before I made the decision to move. However, you can not tell me that the coach they chose was the most qualified for the job or even in the top 3 as far as qualifications go which like some have said is a direct spit in the face to the coaches who are more qualified who applied, work there, and the kids who put their trust in the admin. IF I was a parent as of right now though I would definitely be VERY concerned. Now it looks like they could be getting to hire some new assistants. New coach/AD with new assistants could be EXTREMELY tough for a veteran coach. Hope it works out though and I wish the new coach the BEST of luck. Either gonna be a lot of crow eaten or a lot of I told you so's come mid october.
+1
Quote from: FisherOfMen11 on April 17, 2017, 09:40:34 am
It is easy to tell people to keep their feet in the fire but when its your feet it becomes much harder. Can you imagine being a junior or senior at MC busting your tail for that school for years. Then instead of getting the most qualified coach they could find they go the route they did. Now whether or not he can be a good coach at MC or not is yet to be seen but you have to go off of previous record until then. He has not proven anything til this point in time except he has like a 33% winning percentage. Whether it was from lack of talent, work ethic from kids, or coaching who knows it may not even be his fault and he may be a great coach. If I was a kid at MC I would find out what school he came from and start getting on the phone making calls or getting on social media to contact the kids in that area trying to figure out what kind of coach he is before I made the decision to move. However, you can not tell me that the coach they chose was the most qualified for the job or even in the top 3 as far as qualifications go which like some have said is a direct spit in the face to the coaches who are more qualified who applied, work there, and the kids who put their trust in the admin. IF I was a parent as of right now though I would definitely be VERY concerned. Now it looks like they could be getting to hire some new assistants. New coach/AD with new assistants could be EXTREMELY tough for a veteran coach. Hope it works out though and I wish the new coach the BEST of luck. Either gonna be a lot of crow eaten or a lot of I told you so's come mid october.
Has it been proven that the hire was a buddy system situation?? From what I have read on here it hasn't. So maybe they hired the guy they thought was best for the position.
I just don't see the motivation for the committee to hire some guy that is terrible. If it turns out to be some shady deal then the admin should be removed from their positions.
However, I do feel that the uproar over what is perceived to be an unfair hiring is a bit ridiculous at this point. I liken this form of thinking to that of the people moving to Canada if Trump won the presidency.
Quote from: purpleswag on April 17, 2017, 10:27:43 am
Has it been proven that the hire was a buddy system situation?? From what I have read on here it hasn't. So maybe they hired the guy they thought was best for the position.
I just don't see the motivation for the committee to hire some guy that is terrible. If it turns out to be some shady deal then the admin should be removed from their positions.
However, I do feel that the uproar over what is perceived to be an unfair hiring is a bit ridiculous at this point. I liken this form of thinking to that of the people moving to Canada if Trump won the presidency.
Never said it was shady but it IS known that there were more qualified coaches who applied. Now he could have been what they thought was the best hire, though my point was he was not the most qualified. Like I said though I hope he does great at MC and I wish him the best of luck but I can clearly see both sides of the fence here. Though I love young coaches getting their start and always wish them the best of luck, I can see where parents and students could be concerned and why current coaches could be upset. Now when they meet he may immediately win them over and start the train rollin down the tracks which is what the program needs. Though current coaches are upset they have to ask themselves if they are going to stay and help this kid and stay and be loyal to the kids they currently have been coaching. I will say with all the undermining supposedly going on within the coaching staff the past few years I do not think this will help the situation at all. If the new coach does not prove himself after week 3 I would imagine the assistants will start undermining and taking over if it does not happen before then. Just a really tough situation for all involved. Hope the new coach comes in with fire and brimstone though and never checks up and everyone gets on board and they start rolling!!
My biggest question is this: Who were the other coaches interviewed and what was their qualifications? If we are going off HC experience, I know one who had won 1 title as an OC and is coaching at school that is playing for titles year in and out. How do you hire a 24 year old kid over that?
Just because the AD at Fayettville was your HC doesn't make you the most qualified applicant.
But as someone who would like to see the panthers succeed, You kids need to suck it up and decide if you want to let your PPRD or hit the road. It's easy to talk smack on here but this new guy may be couting on you the last friday in august.
Exactly. Ultimately no matter who the coach is the players have the ultimate decision as to how good they will be. Does not matter if it is this new coach or Nick Saban at the head if players dont bust their butt trying to be the best they can they will never be successful. Also it has been mentioned about the lack of work in the summers the past few years but did you see the team captains and leaders on the off days getting groups together and running, working out, practicing technique, etc??? If a program relies solely on a coach to turn things around they will be disappointed every time.
Fisher I agree to an extent on the team members have to put in work to get better and to determine how they will play
However how many of us can sit here and say if our boss told us we didn't have to work for 2 months with no repercussions but would still get our paychecks, would you show up? That ultimately is the same thing. Don't show up for summer workouts but your still gonna get to play on Friday. I've seen it in person at MC. No set workout schedule in the weightroom. Then when kids to show up to workout there is no adult supervision. Coaches sit in the office or do other things during this time. To me that is a huge liability. What if your kiddo was in there and got hurt. Who would help him? The coaches have to hold the kids accountable for doing the work but the kids have to hold the coach accountable for leadership, safety and guidance.
Well if I am still going to get my paycheck and its the same im gonna go fishing for 2 months. But the difference is the kids final results in wins and losses probably hinge on the work they do in off season. Now if they are going to win 5 games regardless then yea why work out? But if it could mean the difference in a few close games and maybe win 8 games instead. Playing time for starters and leaders should not be incentive but winning should be. Like I said at some point the players have to get hacked and tired of loosing and their motivation needs to be war memorial at the end of the season every year. Your never going to be s champion unless you strive to be one and work like one. It is a shame that coaches do kids like that though. If you are lazy and dont want to work like that then why do it? Maybe this young coach will at least have fire and want to work.
Quote from: FisherOfMen11 on April 17, 2017, 11:11:57 am
Exactly. Ultimately no matter who the coach is the players have the ultimate decision as to how good they will be. Does not matter if it is this new coach or Nick Saban at the head if players dont bust their butt trying to be the best they can they will never be successful. Also it has been mentioned about the lack of work in the summers the past few years but did you see the team captains and leaders on the off days getting groups together and running, working out, practicing technique, etc??? If a program relies solely on a coach to turn things around they will be disappointed every time.
So heart determines winning and coaching doesn't matter? It's whoever wants it the most?
Sounds like MC is in for a long long season with the problems that exist. If the community is as unhappy in reality as it seems on here, then the parents need to go to the school leadership and demand answers to questions. IF they don't like the answers or the leadership they are entitled to change it at the ballot box when they vote for school board and when the board chooses the super and the principals. It seems the wishes of the community are at odds with the school leaders but frankly that is not all that uncommon. The buddy system, the "I want to all ways be in Charge system" seem to be a popular way to hire. Good luck MC.
According to my source Glen Rose has received 9 school choice forms this morning not sure if that is picked them up or actually turned them in.
Quote from: Oldman on April 17, 2017, 12:57:22 pm
So heart determines winning and coaching doesn't matter? It's whoever wants it the most?
Okay take this scenario and see which wins
team with very little heart or work ethic but great coaches
vs.
vs team with all heart and great work ethic with mediocre coaches
which one win?
I keep hearing how MC parents want to know who got interviewed, go ask. I hear they want to know the qualifications of the applicants, well go ask. They want to know why the choice that was made, was made. Guess what? YEAH, GO ASK!
The names I've seen thrown around are Carmikle, Golden, Myers. I saw where someone claimed an applicant had a championship ring, don't know who that is.
Quote from: gameoflife on April 17, 2017, 02:09:24 pm
I keep hearing how MC parents want to know who got interviewed, go ask. I hear they want to know the qualifications of the applicants, well go ask. They want to know why the choice that was made, was made. Guess what? YEAH, GO ASK!
The names I've seen thrown around are Carmikle, Golden, Myers. I saw where someone claimed an applicant had a championship ring, don't know who that is.
KVD, hello.
Not familiar with KVD. Whats his story, did he apply?
Gameoflife I did ask a board member today and was told they were voting off the recommendation of the hiring committee. I asked if they felt digging into patential candidates other then a 2 year pup would have been to much to ask and was told I have full faith in our hiring committee and our selection. Brought up a few names and was told they just voted on the recommendation.
Blind leading the blind? The hiring committe I heard was, super, asst super, principal and two board members. Was there another? Also heard one board member resigned after his preferred choice did not get the job.
Quote from: HSCHogFan on April 17, 2017, 03:07:09 pm
Gameoflife I did ask a board member today and was told they were voting off the recommendation of the hiring committee. I asked if they felt digging into patential candidates other then a 2 year pup would have been to much to ask and was told I have full faith in our hiring committee and our selection. Brought up a few names and was told they just voted on the recommendation.
Got to wonder why they didn't ask questions. They don't have to just rubber stamp a recomendation before they get the reasons why a candidate was thought to be the right pick.
Quote from: FisherOfMen11 on April 17, 2017, 01:39:26 pm
Okay take this scenario and see which wins
team with very little heart or work ethic but great coaches
vs.
vs team with all heart and great work ethic with mediocre coaches
which one win?
The one with the best athletes and coaches. Heart doesn't matter if you weigh 145lbs and run a 5.1 forty.
You mean if you just want it enough you will not always win?
Quote from: gameoflife on April 17, 2017, 03:13:53 pm
Got to wonder why they didn't ask questions. They don't have to just rubber stamp a recomendation before they get the reasons why a candidate was thought to be the right pick.
Don't tell the people of Magnet Cove this. They seem to think this is all the committees fault and the board had to vote in their recommendation.
Sorry I cant say the hiring sounded good to me either.
Looks like we have folks from MC admin on here by the sounds of things
And some of y'all earlier today gonna start bashing a kid need to take a step back. Why can't their voice be heard? They're just supposed to sit back and take things. Yeah I don't see that going over well with anyone
This kid could do an awesome job and will still get run out of town. These folks have already made up their mind. Good luck bringing decent coaches to the Cove after this thread.
They ruined that for themselves.. they just proved that experience doesn't mean a thing to them. Like I said next time around they will be lucky to get the pee wee coach for dee whimple Texas to apply next time around.
There are schools that always seem to have a problem getting it right. Old football coach friend said he never wanted to work for a superintendent unless he was an ex football coach. Said other wise they don't understand.
Winning solves a LOT of problems
Quote from: WHITEchicken on April 17, 2017, 10:28:27 pm
Winning solves a LOT of problems
This is true, but easier said than done and the recent hire is not looking like a confidence builder around the community. You have to get that support.
I don't usually post. I just read to keep up since moving out of Arkansas. It looks like y'all have some drama. I won't get on that.
I was on a staff that coached against Coach Carmikle's bunch last season. I remember being impressed with their technique and discipline while breaking down their film and was only half surprised when they gave our group all that they wanted for a half (we had a strong group this past season.) They ran multiple concepts and ran them well. At our level, we're very limited in facilities, time, staff and players. This is as grassroots as private schools get. What I saw with Coach Carmikle's bunch was a program doing the best with what it had and a good foundation.
I'd encourage you all to give him a chance. Every new coach deserves a period of non-judgment as he gets to know the kids and community. Whatever y'all have going on, he has nothing to do with it. He'll have energy and enthusiasm and he knows the game.
Quote from: purpleswag on April 17, 2017, 06:42:36 am
From what I can tell the problems within your school and your program isn't with who the committee hired but with the attitudes of the parents at home.
You should take a step back and realize what behavior you are modeling for your kids. You can't always change your circumstances in life but you can change your perspective of the circumstances.
You are saying its ok to run away from adversity instead of plowing through. You're creating an environment of mediocrity and raising a future that will not be able to handle tough times.
I think what they are saying is they are disappointed in the job the search committee did in the hiring of the new coach. Its one thing to go ahead and work hard as a player to get better, its another for a community and the players and parents to accept any decision made by people that should answer in large part to the will of the people they represent.
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on April 18, 2017, 11:34:56 am
I think what they are saying is they are disappointed in the job the search committee did in the hiring of the new coach. Its one thing to go ahead and work hard as a player to get better, its another for a community and the players and parents to accept any decision made by people that should answer in large part to the will of the people they represent.
There's been several HC's get a job at 23-24-25 years old. But typically, they've coached in public school as a position coach or coordinator, had decent experience from college, and shown ability. This hire doesn't abide by those tenants. There's several (Think Drake Widener or Dustin Prescott) that have been successful but there's a greater majority that flame out. The fact a search committee hired a guy to be AD on top of HC at 24 blows my mind. He's going to have issues with one position or the other. There's nobody at 24 that should be having to pull those two roles off. Just my 2 cents.
I think the age, lack of experince, both coaching and particularly as AD, added to the fact that there were candidates with better qualifications, these things are the problem. Carmikle may be a great guy, there are lots of great guys out there.
I bet the guy hired is a nice fellow. If the idea was to hire a nice fellow I bet at least half of the applicants were nice fellows. The goal was to get the best coach and AD.
One applicant has a ring as a head coach, 4 more as an OC, and has coached college football. He didn't get an interview. But after reading all this, he is glad.
Quote from: Mairzy Doats on April 18, 2017, 10:26:35 am
I don't usually post. I just read to keep up since moving out of Arkansas. It looks like y'all have some drama. I won't get on that.
I was on a staff that coached against Coach Carmikle's bunch last season. I remember being impressed with their technique and discipline while breaking down their film and was only half surprised when they gave our group all that they wanted for a half (we had a strong group this past season.) They ran multiple concepts and ran them well. At our level, we're very limited in facilities, time, staff and players. This is as grassroots as private schools get. What I saw with Coach Carmikle's bunch was a program doing the best with what it had and a good foundation.
I'd encourage you all to give him a chance. Every new coach deserves a period of non-judgment as he gets to know the kids and community. Whatever y'all have going on, he has nothing to do with it. He'll have energy and enthusiasm and he knows the game.
Did any of you Cove folks even read this guys post?!?!?!? Guy hasn't coached a game yet and already the "experts" are passing judgement on who "they" would have hired.
......and you wonder why you can't win.... MAYBE the problem isn't the kids it's the grown folks.....
Next time one of those folks who are making decisions needs heart, cancer or brain surgery, be sure to pick the surgeon that is the nicest, cheapest, knows somebody and is the best fit. To heck with best surgeon, qualifications are over-rated.
Well that escalated quickly..
Quote from: nomorewhining on April 18, 2017, 02:21:48 pm
One applicant has a ring as a head coach, 4 more as an OC, and has coached college football. He didn't get an interview. But after reading all this, he is glad.
Sounds like this fantastic hire was way over qualified. 1 ring as HC and 4 as an OC and coached college fb. boy! What was he doing even thinking about a job in a 2A school?
Quote from: Rida4Life on April 18, 2017, 02:25:21 pm
Did any of you Cove folks even read this guys post?!?!?!? Guy hasn't coached a game yet and already the "experts" are passing judgement on who "they" would have hired.
......and you wonder why you can't win.... MAYBE the problem isn't the kids it's the grown folks.....
Don't you think folks may have a point about wanting a highly qualified HC?
No one from the Cove that I know is bashing the new guy. In fact, we are bashing the administration and how they have handled EVERY coach at that school. I wanna know why the girls coach still has a job after the talk Iv heard. She sent a kid to the dadgum hospital by ambulance bc she wouldn't listen to her and she had a bad asthma attack. Iv heard more but that's pretty bad in and if itself. As far as the grown folks, we all feel sorry for the crap storm this kid is coming into. My own kid is excited and can't wait to get to work with someone new
Best of luck, a guy with only 2 years better have a plan to follow and stick to it or he's gonna have a bunch of people trying to run over him. Winning will help, hopefully he will.
Quote from: game on on April 18, 2017, 03:46:13 pm
Sounds like this fantastic hire was way over qualified. 1 ring as HC and 4 as an OC and coached college fb. boy! What was he doing even thinking about a job in a 2A school?
I was just commenting on qualified coaches.
He has been coaching for 5 years, head coach for 2 of them years, he also only had 11 players on the team and won 5 games in one year and had a lot of close ones. He seems to have big plans for us at the cove and seems like he will help our program tremendously so i think he deserves a chance and i believe he will shock everyone next year.
He is 24 been coaching for 5 years? He may end up a good coach, but as an administrator this hire simply can't be justified.
Coaching resume looks good. Has coached for 5 years, 1 year at Arkansas tech as assistant WR's coach. 1 year Coaching WR's and DB's at a high school in Arkansas and 1 year doing the same at another school. Then the last two years has been Head Coach at Glenbrook Private school in Louisiana with a overall record of 6-15. His enthusiasm and commitment is promising.
Quote from: FBlife on April 19, 2017, 11:53:33 am
Coaching resume looks good. Has coached for 5 years, 1 year at Arkansas tech as assistant WR's coach. 1 year Coaching WR's and DB's at a high school in Arkansas and 1 year doing the same at another school. Then the last two years has been Head Coach at Glenbrook Private school in Louisiana with a overall record of 6-15. His enthusiasm and commitment is promising.
He's been coaching high school since he was 19? Doesn't add up. Man is 24 He can't have 5 years experience.
The Doogie Howser of High School Football
Did someone mention George O'Leary?
Quote from: T65 on April 19, 2017, 12:30:32 pm
The Doogie Howser of High School Football
I'm dead. lol.
I'm trying to figure this 5 year math equation out myself. I mean you would think if your good enough to coach at 19 then you would be good enough to be playing?
Also seems the players are tooting a different horn now?? What happen to he won't be around long if the team has anything to say about it? Oh and Panther_forever here is your big chance to make a difference. Talk him into signing that contract? See if he's gonna live up to your hype
Few folks trying to pad the resume he was basically the go get this student assistant at a mediocre college for a year. Student coach at a high school then had 2 losing seasons at a small private school in Louisiana. But he is enthusiastic so we won't worry about anything else.
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on April 19, 2017, 12:12:55 pm
He's been coaching high school since he was 19? Doesn't add up. Man is 24 He can't have 5 years experience.
He told us he started out at cc and when they played us he fell inlove with the mc pride and he said if the job ever opened up he was going to take it
So was he like 17 then?
Quote from: panther_forever on April 19, 2017, 08:23:43 pm
He told us he started out at cc and when they played us he fell inlove with the mc pride and he said if the job ever opened up he was going to take it
This has got to stop. I wonder who writes this stuff.
But according to the "team" he wasn't going to be there long if they had anything to say about it
Quote from: SR30 on April 20, 2017, 07:02:06 am
But according to the "team" he wasn't going to be there long if they had anything to say about it
That and this entire thread should make other coaches really want to work there.
Quote from: footballfan-tastic on April 19, 2017, 12:12:55 pm
He's been coaching high school since he was 19? Doesn't add up. Man is 24 He can't have 5 years experience.
My mistake, his first year was as an student coach at 19 and 20. But the coaching at Arkansas tech and the two years at Glenbrook is correct.
I don't know that a couple years as an assistant coach at 19-20 is much on a resume. Coaching a ATech, I assume as a student asst somehow, and then Glenbrook. It still comes down to a few years and getting a job over candidates with much more experience, there is something we do not know.
Talking to anybody involved with this debacle is like trying to nail jello to the wall. Figure if they were proud of the decision they would be all about talking him up. I'm with Gameoflife there is something more to this story. People involved avoid this discussion like the plague. Maybe a decision by the head man who knows.
Perhaps its more a case of more qualified candidates for the job making mistakes during their interview or making what the school considered unreasonable demands or requirements.
Just speculating.
Or maybe it was a candidate turning in a 52 page plan and the admin being overwhelmed. They like to have control over everything pretty much.
Quote from: SR30 on April 20, 2017, 08:57:28 pm
Or maybe it was a candidate turning in a 52 page plan and the admin being overwhelmed. They like to have control over everything pretty much.
Good point. The trend now is for coaching candidates to turn in something that details their program plans.
In regards to what I said earlier, I remember a guy with massive amounts of head coaching experience and was considered a sure fire choice for the position.
But when interviewed, he opened by saying that no matter what he wasn't touching the field. (mowing, painting, et cetera).
He lost the job right there.
You can read and reread the post on this topic but any reasonable thinking person who was hiring for the purpose of getting the best coach and AD would not see the result of the search committee making much logical sense. Unless, there were folks who want to run the program their way and have a puppet at their command. Think?
Rumor mill can take what they want from this but as the rumor stands: the super has ties to the kid and pushed hard for him. He has less experience and according to magnets web page and their "special board meeting" minutes the kid also was given $1500 a year raise. Now, the old AD/head fb coach with years of experience wasn't making that much so it's def not a "we can pay him less to do the same job" scenario. But people wonder why the community is up in arms? Fishy business over there and yet NO ONE who's involved can or will give an explanation. Fishy fishy fishy.
How does a $1500 raise get a guy with 2 years experience as a certified teacher more money than the outgoing HC/AD who has enough years to retire? Yearly steps for most teachers are around 4-500 dollars, so there is only 3 years worth. I would believe the Super has ties to the kid. That and another interesting story I heard.
There's always more to the story.
And the plot thickens!!!!
Good hook RZ. Now let that other rumor fly.
Quote from: RZback on April 20, 2017, 10:09:24 pm
How does a $1500 raise get a guy with 2 years experience as a certified teacher more money than the outgoing HC/AD who has enough years to retire? Yearly steps for most teachers are around 4-500 dollars, so there is only 3 years worth. I would believe the Super has ties to the kid. That and another interesting story I heard.
If he was at a private school, do the step ups still count? Or would he be at step 0?
And added a 2000 stipend for strength and conditioning land college recruiting coordinator!
Quote from: southarkdaddy on April 21, 2017, 07:53:44 am
If he was at a private school, do the step ups still count? Or would he be at step 0?
should be 0
I bet facebook in Magnet Cove is fun.
I would guess it's up to the school if they wanted to count it. Won't count towards retirement at all
Also saw in the minutes they increased the new basketball hire to a 230 day contract. The strength training for football was $2000 new position they created and the AD stipend went up $1500. A lot of big decisions made at a "special" board meeting just 4 days before the regularly scheduled meeting. ::)
Increasing coaches salaries is never a bad thing. If this doesn't work out those dollar figures will stick and will help in the future.
Quote from: WHITEchicken on April 21, 2017, 07:46:23 am
Good hook RZ. Now let that other rumor fly.
I got the information sort of second hand so I'll have to think about it.
Also all the pay raise information is interesting also. His experience would count if the school alows it, most likely has to be certified teaching experience so the student assistant stuff would not.
Quote from: SR30 on April 20, 2017, 08:57:28 pm
Or maybe it was a candidate turning in a 52 page plan and the admin being overwhelmed. They like to have control over everything pretty much.
I had heard this from a friend. Mind telling who that was?
I have heard also that one coach has resigned and that a board member did as well. Can anyone confirm or debunk this?
For sure one board member resigned.
Ties to the Superintendent I hope was not the case, because most of the board members will not be sitting there come next election. He will be first to go with a new board if this is the case.
It looks like there is more to the story. Certainly there were a couple of camps that favored different candidates and from what I gather neither got the job. The story I got was that one of them presented a very specific plan for the football program and the athletic program and was well received. The problem was more of a case of one person on the committee. I hope that wasn't the case but I've heard this from a couple of sources.
Here is my crazy outta whack conspiracy theory lol. Take it for what it's worth.
1. MC wanted to go with no Alumni whatsoever. I mean do you notice any former MC alumni in administrative positions? I mean heaven forbid there be a true Panther in a administrative roll.
2. Some of the admin has such a hatred for Glen Rose that they were willing to pass on a coach who had a very successful tenure under coach kehner. As well as having a coach who played his high school football at MC when Kehner was coaching there.
3. If the above 2 coaches had been hired then a game with Glen Rose would have been inked and played in 2018. By not going with one of them the admin was able to keep this game from happening and losing thousands of dollars in gate revenue.
On a closing note I tend to feel a little bad for the outgoing coaching staff as they did the best they could with the cards dealt. I heard as part of the improvement plan they were given the admin wanted easier non conference games scheduled so the team moral would not be down before conference play. Wow
Well they hired a GR basketball coach so I'm not sure on the GR football let down. And I don't see the board or the super retaining positions in the future. The community is in an uproar over this entire thing. To much shade being thrown.
Hey SR30, did your infatuation with GR start before or after they made you soil your pants as a senior in HS?
It was bauxite sir. Get it right...
Quote from: SR30 on April 21, 2017, 07:35:27 pm
It was bauxite sir. Get it right...
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
You know band I would reply to that but it would be an insult to your family. Now as far as being infatuated? It's called passion, something that left MC long ago. People started settling for mediocre in the cove while Mark Kehner,a former Panther, brought that passion to GR. So no, it's not infatuation it's passion. It's desire to never settle for less than a trip to the rock in December. So u can make jokes about soiling pants, which tends to happen when you play the game 100% even after getting a concussion, but that's another topic you wouldn't know about.
Anyway I invite you to a GR game in December. Come see how the game is played.
And lastly GR basketball and football are world's apart. MC always wants to play the non contact sports against GR but won't strap up on the grid iron.
Quote from: we_hate_the_band on April 21, 2017, 07:26:43 pm
Hey SR30, did your infatuation with GR start before or after they made you soil your pants as a senior in HS?
Yikes
Quote from: Oldman on April 17, 2017, 03:53:16 pm
The one with the best athletes and coaches. Heart doesn't matter if you weigh 145lbs and run a 5.1 forty.
My brother started at FB and LB for his high school team that was 9-4 counting the playoffs. Finished 2nd in district. Had 11 TD'S and 105 tackles (2nd on the team). All district in 7-2aa. Was 5'8 160 pounds and ran a 5.0 in his 40. Heart goes a long ways bud.
Quote from: Tubz on April 22, 2017, 05:39:17 am
My brother started at FB and LB for his high school team that was 9-4 counting the playoffs. Finished 2nd in district. Had 11 TD'S and 105 tackles (2nd on the team). All district in 7-2aa. Was 5'8 160 pounds and ran a 5.0 in his 40. Heart goes a long ways bud.
Quote from: Tubz on April 22, 2017, 05:39:17 am
My brother started at FB and LB for his high school team that was 9-4 counting the playoffs. Finished 2nd in district. Had 11 TD'S and 105 tackles (2nd on the team). All district in 7-2aa. Was 5'8 160 pounds and ran a 5.0 in his 40. Heart goes a long ways bud.
What does he do now?
Quote from: Oldman on April 22, 2017, 09:14:53 am
What does he do now?
What's that matter? Were in a 2aa football forum talking about 2aa athletes. My point is he out played a lot of kids on his team and in 7-2aa that had more talent.
Tough crowd today!
Quote from: SR30 on April 21, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
You know band I would reply to that but it would be an insult to your family. Now as far as being infatuated? It's called passion, something that left MC long ago. People started settling for mediocre in the cove while Mark Kehner,a former Panther, brought that passion to GR. So no, it's not infatuation it's passion. It's desire to never settle for less than a trip to the rock in December. So u can make jokes about soiling pants, which tends to happen when you play the game 100% even after getting a concussion, but that's another topic you wouldn't know about.
Anyway I invite you to a GR game in December. Come see how the game is played.
And lastly GR basketball and football are world's apart. MC always wants to play the non contact sports against GR but won't strap up on the grid iron.
But you did reply to it? And Billy Elmore started that fire, Kehner just kept it going.
Quote from: Kraig Crist on April 22, 2017, 10:32:09 am
But you did reply to it? And Billy Elmore started that fire, Kehner just kept it going.
It's ok Kraig, I would acknowledge his request but I've had to make reservations for LR the first weekend of December the last 3 years. Sorry. :/
I love how people from the cove turn to personal attacks on people. I guess it's your way of accepting the fact your football program sucks and will continue to suck. But it's ok, I see you were able to pull of a district track championship, that's something to be proud of.
And as far as Elmore building the program if I remember correctly he and kehner where hired the same year and built the program together.
So go ahead and make your jokes about spoiled pants after I received a concussion. Doesn't bother me any. So sit there for a minute and think of something else childish to come up with.
Quote from: Tubz on April 22, 2017, 09:40:42 am
What's that matter? Were in a 2aa football forum talking about 2aa athletes. My point is he out played a lot of kids on his team and in 7-2aa that had more talent.
How many is a lot? Do you know how one gets all district?
No just not playing the D/A game. Just letting him feel as if he has accomplished something in life. I'm sure it doesn't happen very often.
I feel like there is some truth to it
Gluteus Maximus Hurt ha!
Its not his fault some people get the crap knocked out of them lol
Quote from: Tubz on April 22, 2017, 05:39:17 am
My brother started at FB and LB for his high school team that was 9-4 counting the playoffs. Finished 2nd in district. Had 11 TD'S and 105 tackles (2nd on the team). All district in 7-2aa. Was 5'8 160 pounds and ran a 5.0 in his 40. Heart goes a long ways bud.
That's commendable! Now lets talk about the team that won the state championship. YOu know the one that had bigger, faster, stronger and dedicated athletes.
Quote from: SR30 on April 22, 2017, 09:24:31 pm
Aww so people from the cove can talk trash but nobody else can.. and I didn't say the kids now did I? I said the program... the program that I was once a part of that has been run into the ground by the powers that be. And when they get a chance to bring life in it, they take the air out of it even more. So don't get on here Mr FF tough guy telling me to shut it. Those boys over there have given blood sweat and tears to a "program" that has given nothing back..
Dump your real thoughts out here and tell us how you really feel. This is all part of the healing process.
All right - lets bring this back on topic and quit the personal mess.
I've said this before but I really think this could be worthy of the Hall.....it's got a little of everything here
Dr. Defense,
I just happened to wander by this thread several days ago and a couple of things caught my interest. The first has to do with schools like Magnet Cove in terms of their size. I suspect most every smaller school in Arkansas is dealing with how to get the most they can from their staff at a time when state funding is tightening and budgets are strained. Combine that with what I suspect is a much higher turnover rate at smaller schools and it can become a revolving door all too often. It is not much fun to constantly have to attract, identify and hire new staff and the state of constant change can't be good for anyone involved at a school - including students, parents, staff and administration.
At any rate, I hope Magnet Cove gets this figured out and all turns out well for all involved - students, parents, staff and administration.
Quote from: sevenof400 on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 pm
Dr. Defense,
I just happened to wander by this thread several days ago and a couple of things caught my interest. The first has to do with schools like Magnet Cove in terms of their size. I suspect most every smaller school in Arkansas is dealing with how to get the most they can from their staff at a time when state funding is tightening and budgets are strained. Combine that with what I suspect is a much higher turnover rate at smaller schools and it can become a revolving door all too often. It is not much fun to constantly have to attract, identify and hire new staff and the state of constant change can't be good for anyone involved at a school - including students, parents, staff and administration.
At any rate, I hope Magnet Cove gets this figured out and all turns out well for all involved - students, parents, staff and administration.
Yea this really blew my mind how they handled this one
Boy, this is a spirited discussion. I hope the Panthers get on track but I think its going to be difficult because it seems that some of the decision makers have strange ideas about what is good for the kids and program. Clearly you don't have community interest or kids interest at heart when you resign because you didn't get your way. You had your personal interest at heart. I've talked to a few people who know some of the candidates and I don't understand the pick. I don't mean to demean the young man hired, only to point out the decision makers lack of evaluation of experience. It doesn't seem to be money as a few suggest, hiring a younger man means paying out less, because they found ways to increase the salary of the young man they hired. It does seem to have some personal bias since some have resigned over the decision. I also heard that one member of the hiring board made a false accusation agains the character of a very fine candidate to keep him from getting the job. It's a sad state when this happens. Please remember going forward that your job as school administrators, board members, what ever is to better the educational and social/athletic experience of the students. It's not to hire someone unless they are truly the best candidate. The term "the best fit" seems to often mean, "a tie to someone" making the decision or someone we think we can control.
Quote from: sevenof400 on April 23, 2017, 10:06:22 am
All right - lets bring this back on topic and quit the personal mess.
I will work to clean it up if SR30 will do his duty as well.
Ughh Sr30 did not go rogue sir. It was some of the others who troll threads and try and garbage them up. If you will read back on my post it wasn't until "we hate the band" brought his mouth into play
Soooo back to how great Glen Rose is and how Cove is scared of them.
If there can be another positive outcome from this, perhaps more people will become interested in serving on the school board. Far too many elections find candidates running unopposed and while experience is valuable, fresh ideas from new faces is just as valuable.
Quote from: sevenof400 on April 23, 2017, 01:52:29 pm
If there can be another positive outcome from this, perhaps more people will become interested in serving on the school board. Far too many elections find candidates running unopposed and while experience is valuable, fresh ideas from new faces is just as valuable.
I still wonder if the new coach is connected somehow
Wow Oldman you finally seen the light... glad you agree
Wasn't it mentioned last year in another thread here that
"almost no AA & AAA head coaching positions are truly fairly open to applicants" ?
That almost all the schools in those size categories (and some larger) even when they post positions as "open" generally have one (sometimes two) coaches they really want and looking at the other applications and even interviewing some of them is largely a (state required) formality.
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on April 23, 2017, 02:31:12 pm
Wasn't it mentioned last year in another thread here that
"almost no AA & AAA head coaching positions are truly fairly open to applicants" ?
That almost all the schools in those size categories (and some larger) even when they post positions as "open" generally have one (sometimes two) coaches they really want and looking at the other applications and even interviewing some of them is largely a (state required) formality.
Not just coaching but life. It's not what you know but who you know In business.
Quote from: Oldman on April 23, 2017, 02:53:59 pm
Not just coaching but life. It's not what you know but who you know In business.
Boy ain't that the truth......
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on April 23, 2017, 02:31:12 pm
Wasn't it mentioned last year in another thread here that
"almost no AA & AAA head coaching positions are truly fairly open to applicants" ?
That almost all the schools in those size categories (and some larger) even when they post positions as "open" generally have one (sometimes two) coaches they really want and looking at the other applications and even interviewing some of them is largely a (state required) formality.
Quote from: Oldman on April 23, 2017, 02:53:59 pm
Not just coaching but life. It's not what you know but who you know In business.
This is sad but true. What it means is that those hiring do not really look for the best candidates, they do not evaluate all the applicants and possibly do not interview those who would cause their chosen pick to be the preferred choice of the group. If they have a pick in mind it could well be for the wrong reasons. Relationship of some sort, some preference of some type. I've heard people on hiring committes talk about the need to hire a certain type, age, or person who runs a particular style of offense for instance. All that doesn't mean you get the best candidate, you get the person that fits whoever is running the shows predetermined fit.
Quote from: SR30 on April 22, 2017, 11:18:00 am
I love how people from the cove turn to personal attacks on people. I guess it's your way of accepting the fact your football program sucks and will continue to suck. But it's ok, I see you were able to pull of a district track championship, that's something to be proud of.
And as far as Elmore building the program if I remember correctly he and kehner where hired the same year and built the program together.
So go ahead and make your jokes about spoiled pants after I received a concussion. Doesn't bother me any. So sit there for a minute and think of something else childish to come up with.
Why you even on this page? If your so in love with GR then get off this page.
Quote from: game on on April 23, 2017, 08:06:35 pm
This is sad but true. What it means is that those hiring do not really look for the best candidates, they do not evaluate all the applicants and possibly do not interview those who would cause their chosen pick to be the preferred choice of the group. If they have a pick in mind it could well be for the wrong reasons. Relationship of some sort, some preference of some type. I've heard people on hiring committes talk about the need to hire a certain type, age, or person who runs a particular style of offense for instance. All that doesn't mean you get the best candidate, you get the person that fits whoever is running the shows predetermined fit.
Quote from: FBlife on April 24, 2017, 11:32:07 am
Why you even on this page? If your so in love with GR then get off this page.
BAM!!!
Uh because I can. Uh because I graduated from the cove, uh because it makes you mad you can't be great like us, uh because we have a program that's running top notch and one of the best in the state, uh because most of all it gets under your skin
Funny.
Quote from: SR30 on April 24, 2017, 02:55:08 pm
Uh because I can. Uh because I graduated from the cove, uh because it makes you mad you can't be great like us, uh because we have a program that's running top notch and one of the best in the state, uh because most of all it gets under your skin
You act like you made that program great. You haven't done crap. Your just one of those parents that talks up there kids or just thinks there a know it all. If you knew about football you would probably be coaching or playing in the pros. Nobody wants you on this page.
Wow you are truly truly upset today.. do you need a puppy dog and a cry room? I have forgotten more about football than you ever knew, my coaching days are done, I don't have to hype my kid up because he let's his play do that, we seen the writing on the wall and moved on to better things. We weren't good at all when I played at MC but with only 19 players that tends to happen. So go call hillary and cry a little more. Maybe even call Bernie sanders to come tuck you in tonight. You can't go around the rest of your life truly upset sir
Quote from: SR30 on April 25, 2017, 11:42:05 am
Wow you are truly truly upset today.. do you need a puppy dog and a cry room? I have forgotten more about football than you ever knew, my coaching days are done, I don't have to hype my kid up because he let's his play do that, we seen the writing on the wall and moved on to better things. We weren't good at all when I played at MC but with only 19 players that tends to happen. So go call hillary and cry a little more. Maybe even call Bernie sanders to come tuck you in tonight. You can't go around the rest of your life truly upset sir
Wow you think that hurts my feelings, when nobody in the state of arkansas or country has heard your sons name. Your son wasn't even good at Magnet Cove.