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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 10:42:48 am »
Im ready for this one too

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 12:14:49 pm »
As long as JJ Abrams is subjected to a new definition of pain and suffering as he is slowly digested over a thousand years.....

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 09:04:15 am »
Im not sure that JJ is dong this one.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 09:44:20 am »
He isn't - thankfully.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 10:23:42 pm »
Screw Disney

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 10:31:33 am »
Waiting for a new trailer to drop. The movie has official wrapped up on post production and the final cut has been made. Hoping we get something sometime in October because the television spots will start coming up very soon thereafter.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 08:28:52 pm »
I hesitate to ask...but what is wrong with Disney?

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 08:45:37 pm »
I hesitate to ask...but what is wrong with Disney?

I imagine it is because he did not like that there was a gay couple in that Beauty of the Beast film that came out around when he made that post. I can not speak for him, but I am putting two and two together.... Everything offends that guy. He sure doesn't seem to like freedom unless it fits his own agenda. That is not freedom at all. That is why I like you on here WPWells. We have had plenty of disagreements, but you're still one of the best on here for me to follow and talk sports and other topics. I view HF the same cause I can disagree with him and still respect him a lot. He has even called me out a couple times that I have crossed the line on here. I think this site needs someone like him on here.
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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 08:51:14 pm »
Also, that movie made 1.2 billion dollars at the box office so I don't think they care about the "screw Disney" guys feelings lol....
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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 09:57:50 pm »
You betcha! I like that even when we disagree we both provide reasonable points and are still respectful!

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 10:03:28 am »
Also, that movie made 1.2 billion dollars at the box office so I don't think they care about the "screw Disney" guys feelings lol....

Most of the disgruntled fans I have interacted with are upset by Disney making what use to be Canon through the Expanded Universe (EU) now into Star Wars Legends. I personally am happy with this move because Lucasfilm now has access to the content from the EU, but can weave a much better story arc overall. They kept canon the Darth Maul Son of Dathomir comic by Dark Horse, the Clone Wars television show and its related animated movie, but nixed everything else.

Latest is that Star Wars: The Last Jedi and the Untitled Star Wars IX will seed the way for a new trilogy of films involving the very popular Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR) games storyline. So if true, we have already gotten glimpses of this from Star Wars Rebels, the new Darth Maul comic, the style of Kylo Ren's crossguard design lightsaber, and hints throughout the new Del Rey series of Star Wars novels. Currently, Marvel is running a comic involving Mace Windu and so far only has two issues out and its been a joy to read.

So yeah, the property is in good hands with Disney. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 08:17:36 pm »
I imagine it is because he did not like that there was a gay couple in that Beauty of the Beast film that came out around when he made that post. I can not speak for him, but I am putting two and two together.... Everything offends that guy. He sure doesn't seem to like freedom unless it fits his own agenda. That is not freedom at all. That is why I like you on here WPWells. We have had plenty of disagreements, but you're still one of the best on here for me to follow and talk sports and other topics. I view HF the same cause I can disagree with him and still respect him a lot. He has even called me out a couple times that I have crossed the line on here. I think this site needs someone like him on here.

What is wrong with standing up for traditional American values and morals?

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 08:19:22 am »
What is wrong with standing up for traditional American values and morals?
You don't have the right to tell someone how to live their life. Stand up for your values, not force them on someone else

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 11:36:00 am »
You don't have the right to tell someone how to live their life. Stand up for your values, not force them on someone else

Still didn't answer my question?
The last 8-years we have had  the liberal identity politics shoved down this Country's throat.
We are tired of the bullcrap.

So no more politics, lets just stick to sports

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2017, 06:46:54 am »
Says the one who brought up politics

Also, my definition of traditional American values involves freedom, equality, justice, and love for my fellow man. Now if you think that makes me a snowflake liberal, okay, but I didnít vote for Hillary this past year.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 11:31:20 am »
Says the one who brought up politics

Also, my definition of traditional American values involves freedom, equality, justice, and love for my fellow man. Now if you think that makes me a snowflake liberal, okay, but I didnít vote for Hillary this past year.

I believe All Americans want that for everyone.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 12:05:28 pm »
Says the one who brought up politics

Also, my definition of traditional American values involves freedom, equality, justice, and love for my fellow man. Now if you think that makes me a snowflake liberal, okay, but I didnít vote for Hillary this past year.

Neither did I.... I went third party since I was back in Arkansas and knew we weren't even close to being a toss up state like when I was in Colorado or Florida and knew me not voting for her wouldn't even matter when I knew he would win 2 to 1 in all the traditional southern states.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 01:05:24 pm »
SOOOO.....

Mark Hamill posted on twitter and then removed the tweet to watch Monday Night Football on October 9th. Well, I have friends in the 501st Legion (Star Wars Cosplay) and the garrisons in the Chicago area have received requests by Disney and Lucasfilm for First Order Stormtroopers to appear at Solider Field for, that's right, Monday Night Football on October 9th.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2017, 09:41:03 pm »
New trailer out and all I can say is watch it.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2017, 10:00:04 pm »
Oh. Heck. Yes.


AMAZING.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2017, 09:04:08 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I can't explain my emotions over this! Man, this trailer made me forget about Thor Ragnarock!

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 09:32:00 pm »
8 days

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 08:06:51 pm »
I saw it today.  I give it a 6/10.  W/o spoilers, some good stuff.  Some questionable things.  Episodes 7 and 8 don't really mesh well.  Hoping Ep 9 progresses a little better. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2017, 11:00:24 pm »
The trailers were 800 times better than the movie. No true answered questions, a waste of a powerful character and a ton of semblance from Rogue One, Episode 5 & Episode 6 all rolled into one. Very let down, unless there's something I missed with Snoke.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2017, 10:06:22 am »
I liked it. What Iím hearing from most folks though. Is that they donít like the answers they have gotten or lack there of. Some spoilers from here. Many people had their theories and all of them were wrong. Thatís why a lot of folks donít like this movie. Rey isnít a Skywalker or a Solo she just happens to be someone who is powerful with the force. Everyone wanted Snoke to be the new emperor, well heís not. Kylo is the actually bad guy and now irredeemable if he already wasnít. They say this in the trailer this is not going to go the way you think. The biggest complaint about the force awakens was it was to much like a new hope. So someone changes the narrative and folks are not happy.

This movie is far from perfect but itís good. My biggest issues with this movie are. The first order are pretty much idiots, the movie does some things just to have some cool shots or a battle and they do seem more interested in pushing an agenda than making a good movie at times. Some of the dialogue is strange as well. One line that I shook my head at is from Rey when she is talking to Luke. She comes out and says Kylo Ren is powerful in the dark side and we need to stop him. Uh yeah Luke doesnít know this? Really

I mean to do really need a save the animals narrative in the middle of a Star Wars movie that already has political undertones. Do we need casino scene thatís bashing the 1%. Fill that with more action and more Star Wars things.

Overall I see nothing wrong with moving on from the old and in with the new. Some of the side characters need work or to be killed off. Iíve seen it twice and Iíd give it 3 out of 4

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2017, 08:41:38 pm »
I'm going to drop spoiler info so stop reading if you don't want any.



The "Super Leia" scene was ridiculous.  That won't hold up well over time at all.  I also dislike how they wasted the Snoke character, but that's the SW way (Darth Maul anyone?).  I felt like the whole casino sidetrip was completely unnecessary.  Lastly, the purple haired admiral, I might be alone, but I thought she was hot.  With the death of Carrie, they are going to have to do some time jump for E9.  That and there are like 8 people left in the entire Rebellion.  The movie was worth watching but won't reach ESB level. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2017, 08:57:27 pm »
That was always the hurdle for any Star Wars sequels - could they match Episodes 4, 5 and 6 (the first three episodes in the theater).  Sorry to say that a trend in Star Wars has emerged similar to what happened in Star Trek.

In Star Trek, the even movies were excellent to good (2 excellent, 4 great, 6  good) while the odd ones were trash.

In Star Wars, the first three releases were masterpieces, and since then it has been a death spiral getting worse as they go.

Sad endings to two film franchises.

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2017, 09:04:23 pm »
Bunch of hype , no substance ...real let down ,

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2017, 10:45:29 am »
Empire is still by far the best. And letís face it folks they just donít make movies like they used too.

Seems these days film makers are more interested in making $$$ and pushing an agenda than making a good film

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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2017, 02:36:58 pm »
Empire is still by far the best. And letís face it folks they just donít make movies like they used too.

Seems these days film makers are more interested in making $$$ and pushing an agenda than making a good film

Ain't that the truth....

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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2017, 04:33:55 pm »
Ain't that the truth....
Or setting up their sequel. Which still leads in to the other two

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2017, 11:13:31 pm »
Empire is still by far the best. And letís face it folks they just donít make movies like they used too.

Seems these days film makers are more interested in making $$$ and pushing an agenda than making a good film

+1

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2017, 09:01:12 am »
More interested in pushing an agenda than providing anything of substance...sounds like olfan

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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2017, 10:39:30 am »
More interested in pushing an agenda than providing anything of substance...sounds like olfan

It certainly is one (of many) legitimate criticisms of TFA.....

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2017, 03:05:55 pm »
It certainly is one (of many) legitimate criticisms of TFA.....

I'm at most Brookland games if there is something you want to tell me

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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2017, 09:01:50 pm »
I'm at most Brookland games if there is something you want to tell me

Ya lost me with that one....... 

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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2017, 10:46:41 pm »
Finally watched The Last Jedi. Great cinematic experience, but thatís not enough. So many plot holes, disregard for canon and previous films, boring characters, and just bad decisions. And whatís up with all the stupid one-liners? I was left with a lot of questions and few answers. This film is the point of no return. It cannot be redeemed after this.

STOP READING NOW! SPOILERS AHEAD:

 first, how is Rey so powerful in the force? She trained for all of zero seconds. Kylo has years of training under a Jedi master and has extensive training in the force. It takes Luke two movies and training with Yoda before he can beat anybody, and heís the Chosen One

Why is Kylo Ren so whiny? The heir apparent to Darth Vader is on the same emotional level as Katniss from the Hunger games

Whatís up with that Leia in space thing? Is she trained in the force?

Luke Skywalker was totally wasted in this film. The ending wouldíve been so much better if he was actually there and not just doing some astral projection. To have him actually be there and come out of the AT-AT barrage then face Kylo wouldíve been sweet. And his death was totally unnecessary and doesnít even make sense. How do you die from overuse of the force? Stupid

The whole Rose and Finn side plot was bad. Added 30 unnecessary minutes to the film and adds no depth or enjoyment. And I donít know if Iím alone, but Finn is a terrible character. Bad decision by the director/writer for him not to sacrifice himself.

Stop killing characters from the original movies!!!

Where is Lando? A casino planet would be the perfect place to bring back Lando. Wasted opportunity

Reyís backstory ruins the film. I get that they were trying to distance themselves from Lucasí midichlorians and Jedi genetics thing, but it really made the film worse

Who is Snoke? Where did he come from? How did he seize power? How is he so easily dispatched by Kylo?

Poe Dameron is a crappy Han Solo knockoff. Thatís why Leia likes him. He reminds her of Han. Heís another poor character

Luke is the Chosen One. Arguable that itís Anakin. Unless weíve missed another prophecy, Rey and Kylo cannot be that strong in the force. And their whole connection gives off serious Harry Potter vibes

Minor things:
Canít drop bombs in space. No gravity
Howíd the Jedi books get into the Falcon?
Animal equality in Star Wars? WTH

Final rating - 5/10 fun to watch but a frustrating mess

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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2017, 09:17:55 am »
Finally watched The Last Jedi. Great cinematic experience, but thatís not enough. So many plot holes, disregard for canon and previous films, boring characters, and just bad decisions. And whatís up with all the stupid one-liners? I was left with a lot of questions and few answers. This film is the point of no return. It cannot be redeemed after this.

STOP READING NOW! SPOILERS AHEAD:

 first, how is Rey so powerful in the force? She trained for all of zero seconds. Kylo has years of training under a Jedi master and has extensive training in the force. It takes Luke two movies and training with Yoda before he can beat anybody, and heís the Chosen One

Why is Kylo Ren so whiny? The heir apparent to Darth Vader is on the same emotional level as Katniss from the Hunger games

Whatís up with that Leia in space thing? Is she trained in the force?

Luke Skywalker was totally wasted in this film. The ending wouldíve been so much better if he was actually there and not just doing some astral projection. To have him actually be there and come out of the AT-AT barrage then face Kylo wouldíve been sweet. And his death was totally unnecessary and doesnít even make sense. How do you die from overuse of the force? Stupid

The whole Rose and Finn side plot was bad. Added 30 unnecessary minutes to the film and adds no depth or enjoyment. And I donít know if Iím alone, but Finn is a terrible character. Bad decision by the director/writer for him not to sacrifice himself.

Stop killing characters from the original movies!!!

Where is Lando? A casino planet would be the perfect place to bring back Lando. Wasted opportunity

Reyís backstory ruins the film. I get that they were trying to distance themselves from Lucasí midichlorians and Jedi genetics thing, but it really made the film worse

Who is Snoke? Where did he come from? How did he seize power? How is he so easily dispatched by Kylo?

Poe Dameron is a crappy Han Solo knockoff. Thatís why Leia likes him. He reminds her of Han. Heís another poor character

Luke is the Chosen One. Arguable that itís Anakin. Unless weíve missed another prophecy, Rey and Kylo cannot be that strong in the force. And their whole connection gives off serious Harry Potter vibes

Minor things:
Canít drop bombs in space. No gravity
Howíd the Jedi books get into the Falcon?
Animal equality in Star Wars? WTH

Final rating - 5/10 fun to watch but a frustrating mess

I agree, I have always been a big star wars fan, but this one was really bad unfortunately
Final rating 4/10

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2017, 07:05:48 pm »
5/10.

Saw it this afternoon.

Highly disappointed. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2017, 07:34:20 am »
I will say this...

The Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy are a lot like chocolate and vanilla ice cream.  Simple and to the point.  A lot of people like that, myself included.

The New Trilogy is like cookies 'n cream ice cream.  Not as simple and a few chunks thrown in, but not with every bite.  A lot of people like that, but not as many as the simple style.

That being said, as a Star Wars fan I'll continue to watch until the eventual end of the franchise, but I have to agree with the sentiments in this thread: nothing can touch the originals, and the new ones aren't even close.

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« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2017, 10:30:03 am »
One of the most accurate comparisons of how bad the new set of SW films is(are) this - remember how you felt in the reboot of Mission Impossible when Mr. Phelps was cast as a bad guy? 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2017, 06:48:18 pm »
We also have to remember, these new movies aren't for us that grew up with the Originals.  This is for the Disney generation.  Rogue One was for us.  The rest, not so much.  If you like SW, you just have to take the new ones for what they are. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2017, 07:01:18 pm »
We also have to remember, these new movies aren't for us that grew up with the Originals.  This is for the Disney generation.  Rogue One was for us.  The rest, not so much.  If you like SW, you just have to take the new ones for what they are.

I understand where you're going here, but I don't agree. 

When you make a movie that is built upon a foundation like Star Wars was, you have obligations to those movies (characters, stories, etc) that go beyond the title.  If you're not going to honor (to stay true) to the direction the earlier movies took, then you have a responsibility to distance your effort from the precedent(s) established by the earlier movies.  What TFA did to the series was bad enough in the simple retelling of the same story except swap the characters.  What TLJ is doing is heresy.  There are plenty of story lines a competent director could have taken with Episodes 7, 8 and 9 and stayed true to the plot, the development of characters and story as was set by previous SW movies. 

My point is you don't make movies for a segment of the audience - you make a film based on the best possible story line you can create and then hope it resonates with as much of the public as possible. 

God forbid what today's movie making idiots would do with films like the Godfather..though watch someone try. 

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2017, 07:12:44 pm »
I understand where you're going here, but I don't agree. 

When you make a movie that is built upon a foundation like Star Wars was, you have obligations to those movies (characters, stories, etc) that go beyond the title.  If you're not going to honor (to stay true) to the direction the earlier movies took, then you have a responsibility to distance your effort from the precedent(s) established by the earlier movies.  What TFA did to the series was bad enough in the simple retelling of the same story except swap the characters.  What TLJ is doing is heresy.  There are plenty of story lines a competent director could have taken with Episodes 7, 8 and 9 and stayed true to the plot, the development of characters and story as was set by previous SW movies. 

My point is you don't make movies for a segment of the audience - you make a film based on the best possible story line you can create and then hope it resonates with as much of the public as possible. 

God forbid what today's movie making idiots would do with films like the Godfather..though watch someone try.

I have to Agree with you sevenof400, very well stated.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2017, 08:43:06 am »
You assume Disney gives a flying crap what long time fans of SW care about.  They want to make money.  And lots of it.  And the kiddies will spend all their money and useless crap that Disney makes.  Old SW is dead.  They've made that clear by killing off the old characters.  Embrace the new SW or let it go.

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Re: Star Wars. The Last Jedi
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2017, 11:58:00 pm »
Mark Hamel said he hated it, it betrays everything Luke as a Jedi was built up to be, Luke who never gave up on Vader (his Father) all of a sudden considers killing Ben? WtH...Rey ,who had no training bests Luke a Jedi Master who was trained by Yoda for years?
Poorly written, Disney is destroying SW. Mary poppins scene was stupid, as soon as door opens everyone would be sucked into space, the Casino scene was useless and boring. Rose and Fin was needlessly inserted,  Rey parents was a big question from TFA, and the trailor, Snoke was a wast, never explained how he got to Ben Solo, ...Luke Skywalker Just faded away wth...no last lightsaber battle....and he still dies....pitifully done just to make$$$$ 
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