In my opinion this is what we need to do at Camden Fairview to make Camden Fairview football good again. Even the bigger schools in Texas do this and the best teams in Arkansas football do this as well. As a matter of fact the traditional powerhouse schools in whatever state you go to do this. What makes Camden so much better that we can't, won't, or just don't do this in Camden. Not to mention we are a much smaller school now than we once were when it comes to enrollment. We don't have as many GOOD options or as much depth as we used too. Our coaches and athletic directors have to realize this before we can truly get back to the top. People of Camden we have plenty enough Jimmy's and Joe's to be a good team this year and most years.
No more playing one way and hoping for the best. The best players at each position need to be out there on the field regardless of their primary position. Most of them have been doing it since Pee Wee football anyways so they should be used to it by the time they get to High School. That's the difference between winning programs and participation trophy programs. Especially amongst your smaller schools. And rather we like it or not people of Camden. We are rapidly becoming a smaller school.
Heck, Magnolia's QB even plays safety. Batesville's QB played safety in 2013. I believe his last name was Crawford.
Just a couple of examples...
Our best defensive player didn't even play a down of defense this year and we're not going to the playoffs as a result. Makes sense don't it.
Chris Hargraves is his name. One of the best linebackers in the state didn't even play a down at linebacker this year. Or safety for that matter. SMH...
Time to bring out the round ball.
Dang it youngsta!! Finally said something I cant completely go against you on lol. However you gonna make some mommas and daddys mad by doing that. They dont like it when that 2 way player starts over their baby. Cox caught alot of heat for doing that very thing.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on November 05, 2016, 10:00:05 am
Dang it youngsta!! Finally said something I cant completely go against you on lol. However you gonna make some mommas and daddys mad by doing that. They dont like it when that 2 way player starts over their baby. Cox caught alot of heat for doing that very thing.
Lol...Winning cures everything. Well, almost. It isn't enough for the Camden Fairview administrators. You have to kiss their butt too.
If my best offensive linemen also happens to be my best defensive linemen. He's playing both ways.
If my best running back also happens to be my best linebacker. He's playing both ways.
If my best receiver also happens to be my best cornerback. He's playing both ways.
If my second best receiver also happens to be my best safety. Then guess what? He's playing both ways.
That way I have one of my best players on every level of the defense.
As long as they can handle the workload they're playing both ways. When they need a breather I'll give them a breather. Then they're going right back out there unless we got the game in hand. To me it's just that simple.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on November 05, 2016, 10:00:05 am
Dang it youngsta!! Finally said something I cant completely go against you on lol. However you gonna make some mommas and daddys mad by doing that. They dont like it when that 2 way player starts over their baby. Cox caught alot of heat for doing that very thing.
BTW I totally agreed with Cox when it came to that.
Word is that Wynne currently has at least five players maybe even more playing both ways. Me personally I would want to play no more than four. One on each level. Just Win Baby!!!
This is what changed Lakeside defense after the White Hall game. Up until that game, the top guys played one way. After that loss, the coaches decided it was time to cash everything in, best player at each position regardless of 1 way or 2. That has translated into multiple turnovers, multiple pick 6's, scoop and score and just a very stingy defense. It makes sense at this level and it obviously works.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 04, 2016, 11:26:11 am
Heck, Magnolia's QB even plays safety. Batesville's QB played safety in 2013. I believe his last name was Crawford.
Just a couple of examples...
Our best defensive player didn't even play a down of defense this year and we're not going to the playoffs as a result. Makes sense don't it.
Chris Hargraves is his name. One of the best linebackers in the state didn't even play a down at linebacker this year. Or safety for that matter. SMH...
Time to bring out the round ball.
That s truly embarrassing that Hargraves didnt play a down of defense. WOW. WTH? He was the best LB in the 5a South last year.
I will have to disagree with you though that you still have the Jimmy and the Joes. I just don't see it anymore. They used to have freaks everywhere including freak lineman. The only true freaks I saw from this years team was Hargraves and No.4 both small D1 type players probably. There are zero college lineman. Honestly I can't see Camden winning more than a few games a year for the next few years.
We haven't had any D1 O-linemen since Shawn Andrews. The best O-line we've had as a whole was in 2012.
We had two D-linemen from the 2007 team go play D1 ball and that was LaVunce Askew and Brian Christopher. We also had two D-linemen from the 2012 team go play D1 ball and that was McKinze James and Jordan Elliott. One went to Missouri State and the other to Army.
Other than that we haven't had very many college players on either side of the line. We always had some solid players that were coachable. We have good skill players every year.
The Bever twins both went to SAU Magnolia. They were a part of the 2012 O-line.
Quote from: Marblehog on November 09, 2016, 01:06:31 pm
I will have to disagree with you though that you still have the Jimmy and the Joes. I just don't see it anymore. They used to have freaks everywhere including freak lineman. The only true freaks I saw from this years team was Hargraves and No.4 both small D1 type players probably. There are zero college lineman. Honestly I can't see Camden winning more than a few games a year for the next few years.
This statement is the very reason your best players have to play both ways sometimes. We don't have nearly the type of depth we used too.
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the previous coach did nothing to improve the kids he had. I've heard they didn't do anything in the off-season from January-May. For two years that will cripple a program, no matter how much talent you have. Football is a year round sport, and the teams that are good year in and year out, know this. I know it takes players to win, but it takes coaches preparing and training kids year round to become dominate and competitive.
Quote from: Look A Here on November 10, 2016, 08:09:23 am
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the previous coach did nothing to improve the kids he had. I've heard they didn't do anything in the off-season from January-May. For two years that will cripple a program, no matter how much talent you have. Football is a year round sport, and the teams that are good year in and year out, know this. I know it takes players to win, but it takes coaches preparing and training kids year round to become dominate and competitive.
This is exactly what happened. Most kids can be developed into good football players if they have the drive and the right coach to push them.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 09, 2016, 01:22:02 pm
We haven't had any D1 O-linemen since Shawn Andrews. The best O-line we've had as a whole was in 2012.
We had two D-linemen from the 2007 team go play D1 ball and that was LaVunce Askew and Brian Christopher. We also had two D-linemen from the 2012 team go play D1 ball and that was McKinze James and Jordan Elliott. One went to Missouri State and the other to Army.
Other than that we haven't had very many college players on either side of the line. We always had some solid players that were coachable. We have good skill players every year.
The Bever twins both went to SAU Magnolia. They were a part of the 2012 O-line.
One of the best OL we ever had (Orlando Anderson 2010) didnt even play college ball.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 09, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
This statement is the very reason your best players have to play both ways sometimes. We don't have nearly the type of depth we used too.
Totally agree. Had we have used some offensive players on defense for key 3rd down situations against Lakeside, White Hall, Hot Springs and Chapel we (might) be a 1 seed in the playoffs instead of sitting at home. We had several times in those games where the opponent had 3rd and long and we gave up yards for a first down. Not saying we would have won but had we gotten those stops the outcomes could have been different.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 10, 2016, 09:54:16 am
This is exactly what happened. Most kids can be developed into good football players if they have the drive and the right coach to push them.
this is very true at the HS level
Quote from: Look A Here on November 10, 2016, 08:09:23 am
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that the previous coach did nothing to improve the kids he had. I've heard they didn't do anything in the off-season from January-May. For two years that will cripple a program, no matter how much talent you have. Football is a year round sport, and the teams that are good year in and year out, know this. I know it takes players to win, but it takes coaches preparing and training kids year round to become dominate and competitive.
[/quote That has a lot to do with it. Those kids had little or no weight room work. The off-season was a joke. Those kids wasn't prepared at all. I think if Monden had been there right after the season it would have been different. At least as far as preparation for the next season. I've talked to some of the kids within the last week and their working like maniacs in the weight room.
I'm willing to bet that you will see a much more physical and conditioned team next year. The may not be the biggest, but the product you will see on the field will be exciting and prepared. My nephew played at
El Dorado, he tells me Monden was a energetic, enthusiastic coach that demand effort and hard work from them. Combine that with potential talent in the school, and you've got something special.
Quote from: Look A Here on November 11, 2016, 09:10:51 am
I'm willing to bet that you will see a much more physical and conditioned team next year. The may not be the biggest, but the product you will see on the field will be exciting and prepared. My nephew played at
El Dorado, he tells me Monden was a energetic, enthusiastic coach that demand effort and hard work from them. Combine that with potential talent in the school, and you've got something special.
Wow where did I hear this before? Oh yeah
The summer of 2014. Heard exact same statement. Here's to hoping I'm not hearing it again in 2018
Quote from: spongebob on November 11, 2016, 09:21:35 am
Wow where did I hear this before? Oh yeah
The summer of 2014. Heard exact same statement. Here's to hoping I'm not hearing it again in 2018
You heard that Monden was going to make them better? Pretty sure he was still in El Dorado :P
Quote from: Look A Here on November 11, 2016, 09:10:51 am
I'm willing to bet that you will see a much more physical and conditioned team next year. The may not be the biggest, but the product you will see on the field will be exciting and prepared. My nephew played at
El Dorado, he tells me Monden was a energetic, enthusiastic coach that demand effort and hard work from them. Combine that with potential talent in the school, and you've got something special.
Problem is there just isnt much talent. What talent Camden does have looks to be graduating. Just my observations from seeing a few games. Seen both JH and SH
Quote from: Marblehog on November 11, 2016, 10:50:40 am
Problem is there just isnt much talent. What talent Camden does have looks to be graduating. Just my observations from seeing a few games. Seen both JH and SH
The kids that are in the 8th grade now will be our next great class. If they stay together...
Quote from: Look A Here on November 11, 2016, 10:35:32 am
You heard that Monden was going to make them better? Pretty sure he was still in El Dorado :P
Nope. Just another prognosticator telling anyone who would listen that the staff that came along after Buck was a can't miss coaching staff who knew all about the playoffs, state championship games and being the ultimate players coach. He and staff depart less than 2 years later for whatever reason
Quote from: spongebob on November 11, 2016, 02:06:48 pm
Nope. Just another prognosticator telling anyone who would listen that the staff that came along after Buck was a can't miss coaching staff who knew all about the playoffs, state championship games and being the ultimate players coach. He and staff depart less than 2 years later for whatever reason
"They wasn't ready They wasn't ready" In my Kevin Hart voice...lol
How bout them Bryant Hornets!!!!!
:'(
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 20, 2016, 04:31:14 pm
How bout them Bryant Hornets!!!!!
I think I will be going to NLR Friday night. They will have to play the best game of there life to beat them. If anyone can get the kids ready its Buck, Hooks and DB.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on November 03, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
In my opinion this is what we need to do at Camden Fairview to make Camden Fairview football good again. Even the bigger schools in Texas do this and the best teams in Arkansas football do this as well. As a matter of fact the traditional powerhouse schools in whatever state you go to do this. What makes Camden so much better that we can't, won't, or just don't do this in Camden. Not to mention we are a much smaller school now than we once were when it comes to enrollment. We don't have as many GOOD options or as much depth as we used too. Our coaches and athletic directors have to realize this before we can truly get back to the top. People of Camden we have plenty enough Jimmy's and Joe's to be a good team this year and most years.
No more playing one way and hoping for the best. The best players at each position need to be out there on the field regardless of their primary position. Most of them have been doing it since Pee Wee football anyways so they should be used to it by the time they get to High School. That's the difference between winning programs and participation trophy programs. Especially amongst your smaller schools. And rather we like it or not people of Camden. We are rapidly becoming a smaller school.
I am from northeast Arkansas, at a 5A school where the head coaches philosophy was: 'Play the best 11 on Offense and Defense."
In my opinion, you can get away with playing guys both ways in 5A some, but you still need to figure a way to get the guys off the field from time to time. A tired Talented Player will struggle against a fresh Average Player, especially late in the 3rd quarter.
Obviously, 2A & 3A schools MUST play a lot of guys both ways. It works as long as both sides are tired. But when a tired athlete competes against a fresh opponent, it seems he pushes himself until injury.
Quote from: Grond on November 21, 2016, 12:15:56 pm
I am from northeast Arkansas, at a 5A school where the head coaches philosophy was: 'Play the best 11 on Offense and Defense."
In my opinion, you can get away with playing guys both ways in 5A some, but you still need to figure a way to get the guys off the field from time to time. A tired Talented Player will struggle against a fresh Average Player, especially late in the 3rd quarter.
Obviously, 2A & 3A schools MUST play a lot of guys both ways. It works as long as both sides are tired. But when a tired athlete competes against a fresh opponent, it seems he pushes himself until injury.
You can at least have your best two athletes playing safety in critical situations like 3rd or 4th down, inside the 10, or simply when you need a stop.
I hear that the OC is out the door.
Quote from: The A-Team on November 29, 2016, 08:03:59 pm
I hear that the OC is out the door.
Really? I find that hard to believe?
Quote from: The A-Team on November 29, 2016, 08:03:59 pm
I hear that the OC is out the door.
Really? I find that hard to believe?
Quote from: The A-Team on November 29, 2016, 08:03:59 pm
I hear that the OC is out the door.
Is he leaving on his own accord or is he being forced out?
I looked into his past coaching jobs earlier this year and what I found was he has been at 20 different schools in 22yrs. And serveral players told me that he would talk really nasty to them during practice. I know kids tend to stretch the truth sometimes but this come from players that I have no doubt that they are telling the truth plus he also got into a screaming match with another coach on the sideline during a JV game at the end of the year while coach Monden was out of town taken care of thing due to his mother passing away
Quote from: Cardinal fan on November 30, 2016, 03:07:31 pm
I looked into his past coaching jobs earlier this year and what I found was he has been at 20 different schools in 22yrs. And serveral players told me that he would talk really nasty to them during practice. I know kids tend to stretch the truth sometimes but this come from players that I have no doubt that they are telling the truth plus he also got into a screaming match with another coach on the sideline during a JV game at the end of the year while coach Monden was out of town taken care of thing due to his mother passing away
All of what you said is are true statements. I witnessed some of this.
I have talked to coach Monden serveral time and I know this year didn't go as they hoped it would but he is very motivated and serious about turning this football program around. But as far as the OC coach Scott I wouldn't want him coaching my pee-wee team. I know for a fact that he told a couple senior in practice 1 day that they sucked so bad They should just turn their stuff in and quit and I'm not talking about kids that had never set foot on a field. These were legiment players. I don't care what level of any sport u coach there is no call for that and it makes the rest of the staff look bad. But if he has been at 20 schools in 22yrs obviously this man has a problem
Quote from: Cardinal fan on December 02, 2016, 03:28:57 pm
I have talked to coach Monden serveral time and I know this year didn't go as they hoped it would but he is very motivated and serious about turning this football program around. But as far as the OC coach Scott I wouldn't want him coaching my pee-wee team. I know for a fact that he told a couple senior in practice 1 day that they sucked so bad They should just turn their stuff in and quit and I'm not talking about kids that had never set foot on a field. These were legiment players. I don't care what level of any sport u coach there is no call for that and it makes the rest of the staff look bad. But if he has been at 20 schools in 22yrs obviously this man has a problem
Yeah, that's a pretty big red flag. What I don't understand is how an administration can hire someone who jumps around that often. There's either a problem with loyalty or performance, and any school doing the hiring should be able to see that after at least the 5th or 6th stop. I don't think Coach Register or Coach Dawson have that many schools between the two of them.
They will be alright. Give this coach some time to get a workout program and build this team up. I mean look at what coach James did and he didn't make the playoffs his first year. Give it time and I agree with playing both ways, we just ain't got the talent we used too. Btw is it true Fairview is getting turf next year? I just heard they was and idk if I wanna believe it or not
Quote from: razorcardsfan11 on December 02, 2016, 11:13:15 pm
They will be alright. Give this coach some time to get a workout program and build this team up. I mean look at what coach James did and he didn't make the playoffs his first year. Give it time and I agree with playing both ways, we just ain't got the talent we used too. Btw is it true Fairview is getting turf next year? I just heard they was and idk if I wanna believe it or not
Yes it's true.
Quote from: Cardinal fan on December 02, 2016, 03:28:57 pm
I have talked to coach Monden serveral time and I know this year didn't go as they hoped it would but he is very motivated and serious about turning this football program around. But as far as the OC coach Scott I wouldn't want him coaching my pee-wee team. I know for a fact that he told a couple senior in practice 1 day that they sucked so bad They should just turn their stuff in and quit and I'm not talking about kids that had never set foot on a field. These were legiment players. I don't care what level of any sport u coach there is no call for that and it makes the rest of the staff look bad. But if he has been at 20 schools in 22yrs obviously this man has a problem
If he had been at 20 schools in 22 years, then we never should have hired him in the first place.
Quote from: Temprees on December 03, 2016, 05:36:16 pm
If he had been at 20 schools in 22 years, then we never should have hired him in the first place.
There you go. The people over the athletic department are pathetic. They ran off the best coach and assistant AD in program history and now they look even more lost as a result. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it! Hopefully they have learned their lesson now and stop running our athletic program into the ground. We went from a powerhouse athletic program to an embarrassment just like that.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 05, 2016, 06:53:21 am
There you go. The people over the athletic department are pathetic. They ran off the best coach and assistant AD in program history and now they look even more lost as a result. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it! Hopefully they have learned their lesson now and stop running our athletic program into the ground. We went from a powerhouse athletic program to an embarrassment just like that.
Is it the AD that's running people off or principal? Or both?
Anyone heard the HC might be leaving?
I haven't heard anything about Monden leaving. Last time we talked he was planning for next year. I pray that he hasn't changed his mind. IMO he just needs to surround his self with better assistants espeacialy the OC coach Scott. That guy has serious problem with the way he conducts his self around these young men. These young men around these coaches probly more than they are around their parents when practice cranks up full force and this past season Scott was putting some of the kids down instead of building them up. AND THATS A FACT. There is no place for that at any level. Monden is a awesome coach with great ideas and plans and he has some great talent coming up the next couple years and he knows this. Monden is not just
Planning for next year he is also looking toward the years coming.
Quote from: purpleswag on December 06, 2016, 05:08:52 am
Is it the AD that's running people off or principal? Or both?
It's deeper than that. It's the person that advises the AD. Advises is a nice way to put it.
I don't know how much deeper it can go than the AD cause they let him pretty much run have total control and do as he sees fit. And AD is a pretty cool layed back guy. I know the school has the school board but I doubt they know all of internal business except what they are told about. I highly doubt coach Monden is leaving. He has such a great vision of what he wants our programs to be like from the 7th grade all the way up to senior high cause he knows without building it from the ground up we will never be at the top again and that's what the problem is now cause COX didn't care about that when he was here cause he knew he wasn't goin to be here long enough
To all the people that used the Camden Fairview size excuse as the reason for our defense getting ran over and around this year I have a "Cold Hard Fact" for ya.
Pulaski Academy just won a state championship with only one kid over 200 pounds on defense. And if I'm not mistaken he was a safety. ???
Carry on then...
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 08, 2016, 02:14:57 pm
To all the people that used the Camden Fairview size excuse as the reason for our defense getting ran over and around this year I have a "Cold Hard Fact" for ya.
Pulaski Academy just won a state championship with only one kid over 200 pounds on defense. And if I'm not mistaken he was a safety. ???
Carry on then...
Actually PA has a few on defense that weight #200 according to the roster, but not that much over 200 for the most part. And I wonder about a little size inflation on the rosters of most high schools. I remember back in my high school days, a 10 lb average was added on.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 08, 2016, 02:14:57 pm
To all the people that used the Camden Fairview size excuse as the reason for our defense getting ran over and around this year I have a "Cold Hard Fact" for ya.
Pulaski Academy just won a state championship with only one kid over 200 pounds on defense. And if I'm not mistaken he was a safety. ???
Carry on then...
That's PA. They're a different breed up there. Kids are winners, they play with heart.
Quote from: Randy on December 08, 2016, 03:28:08 pm
That's PA. They're a different bread up there. Kids are winners, they play with heart.
Sour dough??
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 08, 2016, 02:38:28 pm
Actually PA has a few on defense that weight #200 according to the roster, but not that much over 200 for the most part. And I wonder about a little size inflation on the rosters of most high schools. I remember back in my high school days, a 10 lb average was added on.
Ive added 10 lbs per decade to that since the HS inflation :'(
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on December 08, 2016, 02:38:28 pm
Actually PA has a few on defense that weight #200 according to the roster, but not that much over 200 for the most part. And I wonder about a little size inflation on the rosters of most high schools. I remember back in my high school days, a 10 lb average was added on.
They had one starter over 200 pounds. My bad...Should have been more specific.
Quote from: Randy on December 08, 2016, 03:28:08 pm
That's PA. They're a different breed up there. Kids are winners, they play with heart.
My point exactly. A good coach that is running a good program can get that out of the kids. They can get everything out of the kids and then a little extra. We had that for a moment in Camden... ;)
Example: Bryant 2016
Bump...Go ahead Camden Fairview fans. Let's vent...Go ahead and say what's really on some of your minds... ;D ...It will make you feel better if you got it all off your chest... ;)
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 15, 2016, 07:07:39 am
Bump...Go ahead Camden Fairview fans. Let's vent...Go ahead and say what's really on some of your minds... ;D ...It will make you feel better if you got it all off your chest... ;)
I wont...me and my son don't even discuss those 2 years of football. Hurts to bad!!!!!
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on December 08, 2016, 02:14:57 pm
To all the people that used the Camden Fairview size excuse as the reason for our defense getting ran over and around this year I have a "Cold Hard Fact" for ya.
Pulaski Academy just won a state championship with only one kid over 200 pounds on defense. And if I'm not mistaken he was a safety. ???
Carry on then...
This may be true, but it is also not unusual. The trend in defense 'today' is speed over size. The only 'big guys' on defense are Defensive Tackles. In the 5A East, defenses have gotten lighter.
Quote from: Grond on December 15, 2016, 09:40:28 am
This may be true, but it is also not unusual. The trend in defense 'today' is speed over size. The only 'big guys' on defense are Defensive Tackles. In the 5A East, defenses have gotten lighter.
+1, Exactly...I kept trying to tell these Camden fans that it wasn't the players it was the passive non-aggressive scheme. When we finally decided to change the scheme after the Magnolia game as a result we started playing better defense. Would have been even better if our best linebacker, cornerback, and safety would have played defense.
CF in good hands with Monden.
Quote from: Pat Swilling on January 03, 2017, 09:07:07 am
CF in good hands with Monden.
I think so. I think he started figuring some things out about how we have to play at Camden to win.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on January 05, 2017, 07:39:30 am
I think so. I think he started figuring some things out about how we have to play at Camden to win.
Yes he has started figuring something out because he sent his OC back to Oklahoma.
less than 200 lbs average on the defensive line. To me it all depends on strength, quickness and discipline. Look at how well Wynnes number 7 looked on defense.
Oh and when PA feels the need to stop a short yardage play. They bring out the beef.
Gonna be ugly next year for Camden
Some harsh criticism for some coaches here, boy! I don't think coaches should belittle players as a consistent method of their coaching, but the truth is sometimes harsh. For the future, I hope you don't have kids go on to play college ball, the language is often not very nice, they don't typically mince words.
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 04:46:46 pm
Some harsh criticism for some coaches here, boy! I don't think coaches should belittle players as a consistent method of their coaching, but the truth is sometimes harsh. For the future, I hope you don't have kids go on to play college ball, the language is often not very nice, they don't typically mince words.
I hope there are kids that go play college ball. I'm sure the coach (not coaches) won't tell the kids "why don't you just quit. You make the team worse." Or "Your parents made a mistake". Really....to a kid. Get the heck out of here!!
I hate to burst your bubble but I have seen a lot of college coaches at various levels and I assure you many don't worry if they hurt players feelings because of what they say to them.
What amazes me are these girl coaches allowed to use the F words around girl athletes. Its ridiculous
I once had the pleasure of sitting in on a booster club meeting in which a parent was attacking the attitude and demeanor of a fairly successful coach. It struck me as strange that in doing so the parent oozed forth with some horrible accusations surrounded by some very colorful adjectives.
Is that a double standard?
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on January 10, 2017, 07:12:08 pm
I hate to burst your bubble but I have seen a lot of college coaches at various levels and I assure you many don't worry if they hurt players feelings because of what they say to them.
College kids who are on scholarship not 15-17 year old kids whose playing for the love of playing or to play with friends. High School not college players.
Quote from: The A-Team on January 10, 2017, 06:10:58 pm
I hope there are kids that go play college ball. I'm sure the coach (not coaches) won't tell the kids "why don't you just quit. You make the team worse." Or "Your parents made a mistake". Really....to a kid. Get the heck out of here!!
Sounds like you are saying college kids.
I see where Jeremiah monden is one of the 5 finalist at mineral springs. Has to be pretty bad at Camden to go from 5a Camden Fairview to one of the smallest 2a schools in the state.
Quote from: Jerry on February 07, 2017, 06:48:47 am
???
Wanting to go to Mineral Springs. We are the laughing stock.
Quote from: wildboy44 on February 07, 2017, 08:12:43 am
Wanting to go to Mineral Springs. We are the laughing stock.
I've heard from a few coaches that have left there that administrative support is the problem. There's no teaching kids accountability because whenever a coach hands down a punishment the athletic director and others up top won't back him on it. Has to be something going on there. They have replaced as many coaches as anyone in the state the past 5 years and a lot of times these coaches are taking a step back down just to get out.
Sounds like they are going to add to that number this year. I hear maybe a couple?
Quote from: fann07 on February 05, 2017, 09:10:35 am
I see where Jeremiah monden is one of the 5 finalist at mineral springs. Has to be pretty bad at Camden to go from 5a Camden Fairview to one of the smallest 2a schools in the state.
Saw this where? Nm.. Google is your friend...
http://southwestarkansasradio.com/search-for-head-football-coach-at-mineral-springs-continues/
Did a little digging and it appears this is coming from the Mineral Springs camp and he is very happy where he is.
If you are happy where you are then why would you interview at another school !!
Called I guy I know that is friends with him. He didn't even apply. Mineral is using him and a few others to boost interest. It happens sometimes, but he isn't going anywhere.
So, hes cool with being thrown out there and the crap that brings on a coach to help boost minerals job pool? That happens all the time? Schools get FOI request so they throw random coaches names out to boost interest? That amazing, i was not aware of that method. If im not mistaken, it said he interviewed. Sounds real committed to helping them boost their interest.
Its gonna be really tough for Camden to win a game next year. No athletes left somehow
Quote from: Marblehog on February 08, 2017, 11:54:53 am
Its gonna be really tough for Camden to win a game next year. No athletes left somehow
No athletes?......Apparently you haven't seen them. Maybe not the number you're used to seeing but they have a few.
He didn't even interview. From what I was told, only 2 of the coaches listed had even interviewed. He was not one. And trust me, I'm quite sure he isn't happy about them name dropping him in that mix. Monden Isn't leaving.
Quote from: GotInfo? on February 08, 2017, 10:09:48 pm
He didn't even interview. From what I was told, only 2 of the coaches listed had even interviewed. He was not one. And trust me, I'm quite sure he isn't happy about them name dropping him in that mix. Monden Isn't leaving.
Of course he is saying he didin't apply and is happy where he is at. What's he supposed to tell people, I hate it at Camden and I ready to leave as soon as I can. Come on now get real!!! If mineral is name dropping to drum up interest, wouldn't you think they would drop a name a little bit bigger that a first year coach who went 4-7. How does that drum up interest? ??? ::)
Quote from: fann07 on February 09, 2017, 10:03:56 am
Of course he is saying he didin't apply and is happy where he is at. What's he supposed to tell people, I hate it at Camden and I ready to leave as soon as I can. Come on now get real!!! If mineral is name dropping to drum up interest, wouldn't you think they would drop a name a little bit bigger that a first year coach who went 4-7. How does that drum up interest? ??? ::)
+1
Monden is staying in Camden and never applied. He was approached by people of "influence" for the job, and he declined. Have a person I know well that spoke with him and others at Mineral, and he relayed this same message. Does it look bad, yes. But now a days with some schools its about publicity and getting outside interest and attention. Tell me how the two recent hirings at two Little Rock area schools, weren't about that. Two coaches that did wrong, and still found work because of their name and ability to attract kids to play football.
I would be highly upset if I did not apply for a job and my name is put out in public that I am in the running for the job.. What does that say about a school and its "higher ups"?? If I was a coach, I would be very cautious about a place that operates that way.
Quote from: The A-Team on February 08, 2017, 05:05:33 pm
No athletes?......Apparently you haven't seen them. Maybe not the number you're used to seeing but they have a few.
Man have you watched the junior high teams the last two years?
The 9th grade was behind the 8ball last year before they ever took the field. Anyone who is anywhere remotely familiar with the program knows this. Not a coach bashing post, but they just didn't have much help last year. And this fact was admitted by Sr. High staff and some administrators that I spoke directly with. As a matter of fact I sat with an Athletic Admin at a couple of games. We came to a mutual understanding of the frustration of the fans/parents. When you have a kid who is fresh out of college and was a kicker in HS, coaching the O-Line, it's a problem, and it showed. When I talked to kids after games that I coached in peewee for 4 years and try and explain to them that they need to stay on their blocks longer and drive their guys downfield to give the backs time to hit the hole or make the corner, and they tell me "but coach xxxxx told me that if we block for more than 5 yards we will get a penalty" that is a problem. There are some very good athletes on the 8th grade team. I am anxious to see how they do this year. The program should be on the rise the next 4 years. I have seen a big difference in quite a few of the guys since Coach Monden implemented his S&C program. Good things on the horizon!
Must have been a pass play
Quote from: Marblehog on February 09, 2017, 12:26:39 pm
Man have you watched the junior high teams the last two years?
I watched several games. I saw a team that wasn't the most talented team but had a couple of talented players. Kids didn't know how to block, wasn't in shape, didn't understand how special teams worked, and the year before I watched a ninth grade team with a lot of talent lose games where they were winning until the last few minutes i.e, their behind against Dequeen late in the fourth quarter. They drive down the field, the Johnson kid throw the go ahead TD to the Thompson kid. Their up with 25 seconds left. Granted, Dequeen has returned a kickoff and a punt return for a TD. So what do they do.....kick it to the same kid and yep....you guessed it. He returns it to win the game. My point is you can't blame it all on the kids. Some kids have to be coached up. And if you were at the Jr. High games you would have seen the Sr. High Head Coach standing in the end zone trying to figure out what the heck is the coaches teaching these kids. That's fact not fiction.
Quote from: The A-Team on February 09, 2017, 10:43:56 pm
I watched several games. I saw a team that wasn't the most talented team but had a couple of talented players. Kids didn't know how to block, wasn't in shape, didn't understand how special teams worked, and the year before I watched a ninth grade team with a lot of talent lose games where they were winning until the last few minutes i.e, their behind against Dequeen late in the fourth quarter. They drive down the field, the Johnson kid throw the go ahead TD to the Thompson kid. Their up with 25 seconds left. Granted, Dequeen has returned a kickoff and a punt return for a TD. So what do they do.....kick it to the same kid and yep....you guessed it. He returns it to win the game. My point is you can't blame it all on the kids. Some kids have to be coached up. And if you were at the Jr. High games you would have seen the Sr. High Head Coach standing in the end zone trying to figure out what the heck is the coaches teaching these kids. That's fact not fiction.
Oh yeah....I like Monden. He knows what needs to be done.
Quote from: The A-Team on February 09, 2017, 10:47:18 pm
Oh yeah....I like Monden. He knows what needs to be done.
Need to get busy fixin stuff and that means the admin has to support.
Quote from: gameoflife on February 10, 2017, 12:20:09 pm
Need to get busy fixin stuff and that means the admin has to support.
I agree.
So in your opinions what all exactly needs to be fixed specifically?
The SR High coach needs to have direct input and direction to the JR High coaches. He has a program. He has methods. He has theories and principles that he coaches and believes in. These should begin to be implemented in the 7th grade. Now I understand that he cannot throw his whole book at 7th graders, but he can lay a foundation. After all these will be his players in 4 years. Build on that foundation a little more with each grade they move up. By the time they hit the 10th graded they are in the 4th year of his program. I am sorry, not meaning this as a bash, but anyone who has been actively involved in coaching youth football in the Camden area, if honest, will admit that we do more with 3rd thru 6th graders than they get once we turn them over to the school. Granted it isn't all the fault of the staff, there is only so much you can do in an hour class period during the day. But as many of us have seen, the Jr High program is a step down from what these kids have become used to for the last 4 years. And it shows by the product on the field. When I looked up several times at away games this year and saw the Sr High coach there watching the 8th and 9th grade teams playing, and even trying to help coach them up at halftime, I saw a man with a vested interest in the future success of his program. As far as staff goes, and this goes for anywhere, you need coaches in the Jr High ranks that want to be there, not disgruntled coaches who are passed over for Sr High positions...
Sounds like you need to hire your peewee coaches to do the coaching.
Like I said, you gotta want to be there. Practice from 5ish to darkish Monday Tuesday and Thursday and games on Saturday, from July til into Nov depending on playoffs and Superbowl, for zero pay. There have been some good ones come thru those programs over the years... Quite a few on this board. I even had the great honor to coach alongside Youngsta71701 ;D
Quote from: browning_gold_12 on February 13, 2017, 08:41:51 am
The SR High coach needs to have direct input and direction to the JR High coaches. He has a program. He has methods. He has theories and principles that he coaches and believes in. These should begin to be implemented in the 7th grade. Now I understand that he cannot throw his whole book at 7th graders, but he can lay a foundation. After all these will be his players in 4 years. Build on that foundation a little more with each grade they move up. By the time they hit the 10th graded they are in the 4th year of his program. I am sorry, not meaning this as a bash, but anyone who has been actively involved in coaching youth football in the Camden area, if honest, will admit that we do more with 3rd thru 6th graders than they get once we turn them over to the school. Granted it isn't all the fault of the staff, there is only so much you can do in an hour class period during the day. But as many of us have seen, the Jr High program is a step down from what these kids have become used to for the last 4 years. And it shows by the product on the field. When I looked up several times at away games this year and saw the Sr High coach there watching the 8th and 9th grade teams playing, and even trying to help coach them up at halftime, I saw a man with a vested interest in the future success of his program. As far as staff goes, and this goes for anywhere, you need coaches in the Jr High ranks that want to be there, not disgruntled coaches who are passed over for Sr High positions...
I think you nailed it with this post. I am not from your area but see this problem in my hometown. It's almost like a competition between the SR high and JR high coach (that only the JR high coach seems to want). I don't understand the lack on cooperation between JR & SR high. Is it like that every where?
I'm truly jealous you got to coach along side Youngsta. But I don't think all of the Jr high coaches are "disgruntled." And Monden has a direct influence on the Jr high program. Sooooooooo.
So what exactly are you saying that yall are doing at the peewee level that's so much better than the junior highs? I know the game gets a lot more complex as you move up so this has me intrigued
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on February 13, 2017, 09:56:56 pm
Sounds like you need to hire your peewee coaches to do the coaching.
I hope this was in jest! Peewee coaches, really?
I would say you should look at the practice schedule, who is assigned to 7th grade and junior high and how much practice time they have and when it is scheduled before you criticize. I've seen schools that have the lower grades scheduled in the daytime and only for about 50 minutes each day. Also how many coaches are on the field with the lower grades.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on February 14, 2017, 03:53:16 pm
So what exactly are you saying that yall are doing at the peewee level that's so much better than the junior highs? I know the game gets a lot more complex as you move up so this has me intrigued
Isn't this what happens all over? The amateur coaches know best. It is similar to being at the football game, sitting in the bleechers and hearing some fan say, "I can call every play the coach is going to call before he does it" they are geniuses.
Quote from: PapaHog on February 14, 2017, 03:32:18 pm
I'm truly jealous you got to coach along side Youngsta. But I don't think all of the Jr high coaches are "disgruntled." And Monden has a direct influence on the Jr high program. Sooooooooo.
Didn't say they were all disgruntled. But some are. Some are other sport coaches that are pushed into the Jr. High program that do not want to be there. These are facts.
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on February 14, 2017, 04:22:14 pm
I hope this was in jest! Peewee coaches, really?
I would say you should look at the practice schedule, who is assigned to 7th grade and junior high and how much practice time they have and when it is scheduled before you criticize. I've seen schools that have the lower grades scheduled in the daytime and only for about 50 minutes each day. Also how many coaches are on the field with the lower grades.
Did you miss the part where I said "Granted it isn't all the fault of the staff, there is only so much you can do in an hour class period during the day."?
The point I am trying to make is that the amount of "football" that they get, and that includes practice time and games, is a step down from 4 years of Bulldogs/Panthers/Lions youth programs to the 7th and 8th grade.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on February 14, 2017, 03:53:16 pm
So what exactly are you saying that yall are doing at the peewee level that's so much better than the junior highs? I know the game gets a lot more complex as you move up so this has me intrigued
Like I said, it is the amount of "football" they get. These kids are used to 2.5 hours of practice 3 days a week, sometimes 4, and games on Saturdays. A couple years we played as many as 14 games depending on playoff run. I don't have a schedule in front of me but i don't think the 7th grade played over 7 or 8 games this year. As far as practice, the bell rings and they leave the previous class, they have to get to the gym, dress out and get out to the practice field. By the time they are warmed up good it is almost time to head back inside to get ready for the next class period. There just isn't much time for practice. This could be helped with a last period athletics class. Pretty sure Eldo does this. Also in the 9th grade, this year they had practice Monday and Tuesday, walk-thru on Wednesday and games on Thursday. No practice on Friday because of Sr. High games. Ya'll are taking a lot of this out of context. I am and have said several times, in no way bashing or berating anyone. It is just kind of disheartening when you hear multiple kids, not just my own, complaining about lack of practice time.
Quote from: gameoflife on February 10, 2017, 12:20:09 pm
Need to get busy fixin stuff and that means the admin has to support.
Exactly, the main reason I heard they ran Buck James off was because the administration thought he was too hard on the kids when it came to discipline. There is a reason his teams were so disciplined on the field. It was because of what he installed in them. A lot of those kids didn't have a clue how to be disciplined and accountable until he got a hold to them and taught them how to be. I hear Coach Monden is the same way. I'm hoping that's the case anyways. If it is we will be fine.
Quote from: browning_gold_12 on February 13, 2017, 08:41:51 am
The SR High coach needs to have direct input and direction to the JR High coaches. He has a program. He has methods. He has theories and principles that he coaches and believes in. These should begin to be implemented in the 7th grade. Now I understand that he cannot throw his whole book at 7th graders, but he can lay a foundation. After all these will be his players in 4 years. Build on that foundation a little more with each grade they move up. By the time they hit the 10th graded they are in the 4th year of his program. I am sorry, not meaning this as a bash, but anyone who has been actively involved in coaching youth football in the Camden area, if honest, will admit that we do more with 3rd thru 6th graders than they get once we turn them over to the school. Granted it isn't all the fault of the staff, there is only so much you can do in an hour class period during the day. But as many of us have seen, the Jr High program is a step down from what these kids have become used to for the last 4 years. And it shows by the product on the field. When I looked up several times at away games this year and saw the Sr High coach there watching the 8th and 9th grade teams playing, and even trying to help coach them up at halftime, I saw a man with a vested interest in the future success of his program. As far as staff goes, and this goes for anywhere, you need coaches in the Jr High ranks that want to be there, not disgruntled coaches who are passed over for Sr High positions...
When Buck was here he started installing his program in the 7th grade. Are there rules against that now that we don't know about? Serious question. Not trying to be funny.
Quote from: browning_gold_12 on February 14, 2017, 07:52:56 am
Like I said, you gotta want to be there. Practice from 5ish to darkish Monday Tuesday and Thursday and games on Saturday, from July til into Nov depending on playoffs and Superbowl, for zero pay. There have been some good ones come thru those programs over the years... Quite a few on this board. I even had the great honor to coach alongside Youngsta71701 ;D
Lol...Those were fun times ;D! What happened to them ???
Quote from: nchan on February 14, 2017, 01:27:11 pm
I think you nailed it with this post. I am not from your area but see this problem in my hometown. It's almost like a competition between the SR high and JR high coach (that only the JR high coach seems to want). I don't understand the lack on cooperation between JR & SR high. Is it like that every where?
The Sr. high coach has to let the Jr. high coach know who's in charge. And if he don't like it he can hit the road. Plain & simple. You have to be firm. Have to say what you mean and mean what you say.
Quote from: PapaHog on February 14, 2017, 03:32:18 pm
I'm truly jealous you got to coach along side Youngsta. But I don't think all of the Jr high coaches are "disgruntled." And Monden has a direct influence on the Jr high program. Sooooooooo.
PapaHog, I have to agree with you on this. Monden has to say this is what we're going to do starting from the 7th grade on up (wish it could start in the 3rd grade) and let that be the end of it.
We need to build a program again in Camden. Not just a team.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on February 14, 2017, 03:53:16 pm
So what exactly are you saying that yall are doing at the peewee level that's so much better than the junior highs? I know the game gets a lot more complex as you move up so this has me intrigued
That's the problem. Some people and coaches tend to make the game more complicated than it should be. The game is simple if you keep it simple. Don't overthink it and try to make it harder than what it is. The game of football is not rocket science unless you make it rocket science.
Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on February 14, 2017, 04:22:14 pm
I hope this was in jest! Peewee coaches, really?
I would say you should look at the practice schedule, who is assigned to 7th grade and junior high and how much practice time they have and when it is scheduled before you criticize. I've seen schools that have the lower grades scheduled in the daytime and only for about 50 minutes each day. Also how many coaches are on the field with the lower grades.
Can't get much done in 50 minutes. heck, in pee-wee football you have the kids practicing from 5:30 til 7:30 or from 5:00 til 7:00 when it starts getting dark early. It takes the kids 50 minutes just to put their pads on. lol
Quote from: browning_gold_12 on February 15, 2017, 07:45:13 am
Like I said, it is the amount of "football" they get. These kids are used to 2.5 hours of practice 3 days a week, sometimes 4, and games on Saturdays. A couple years we played as many as 14 games depending on playoff run. I don't have a schedule in front of me but i don't think the 7th grade played over 7 or 8 games this year. As far as practice, the bell rings and they leave the previous class, they have to get to the gym, dress out and get out to the practice field. By the time they are warmed up good it is almost time to head back inside to get ready for the next class period. There just isn't much time for practice. This could be helped with a last period athletics class. Pretty sure Eldo does this. Also in the 9th grade, this year they had practice Monday and Tuesday, walk-thru on Wednesday and games on Thursday. No practice on Friday because of Sr. High games. Ya'll are taking a lot of this out of context. I am and have said several times, in no way bashing or berating anyone. It is just kind of disheartening when you hear multiple kids, not just my own, complaining about lack of practice time.
The 7th grade played 6 games this year. Not sure if any were canceled or not but that was how many was on the schedule.
Most schools play a "light" 7th grade schedule. I know some teams don't even have a 7th grade team. Not sure how many were scheduled but I would bet it wasn't too many more than 6 if at all.
I don't think we all have a real grasp of what state this program was in when Coach Monden took the job! I am the parent of a current 7th grader and I know we only had 6 scheduled dates last fall but 2 of those were Jamborees. At those Jamborees I know my son played in 4 games each time. I also thought the staff did a great job. Last fall our A team only took losses to El Dorado. So we finished with a A team record of 10-2. And we closed the gap on El Dorado only losing the second game by 6. Each time we played I felt like we got better; and we didn't give the ball to the fastest guy every play! I really feel like my son had a good 7th grade experience and is excited about playing next year. For the first time for him playing football including peewee I feel like it wasn't about one kid or about the coach, but it was about the team! If this is how Coach Monden is going to run his program I am very excited about our future
That is good to hear riot! I didn't know much about this years 7th grade group. Glad to hear things have improved in that end of the program. It's been three seasons since my son was there. Sounds like there will be a loaded class of Sophomores in 2020!
Quote from: Look A Here on February 15, 2017, 09:39:43 am
Most schools play a "light" 7th grade schedule. I know some teams don't even have a 7th grade team. Not sure how many were scheduled but I would bet it wasn't too many more than 6 if at all.
More practice time to start getting the system installed would help then. 50 minutes a day is not gone get it.
Problem Ive seen with Camden last couple of years is lack of lineman and terrible offensive plays
Not to mention running a 3 man front vs running teams
You said it's a fact that the coaches don't want to be there. Where do you get this fact. Also I find some of your statements contradicting in that in one statements the coaches are all disgruntled and don't want to be there so that's why they aren't any good then you say it's because they only get 5o minutes to practice. Which one is it? Who all do you play in your peewee schedule? Does every young man who wants to play peewee get a chance or does the family have to fork up a certain amount of money. Once you get to school all the kids who can't afford to play get the play. You also have to factor in maturation. Kids hit this at different times. May get a junior high kid that's fully developed and a stud then just another guy in senior high. At what point have any of the juniors done anything different than what the senior high was doing? You act like the junior highs are doing their own thing and that is just simply not the case. Idk what you have been watching but I haven't seen anything of the sorts. The problem I have seen at camden are all the coaches in the stands that think they know more than the guys who are with them everyday.
Quote from: that1guy2110 on February 15, 2017, 02:42:12 pm
You said it's a fact that the coaches don't want to be there. Where do you get this fact. Also I find some of your statements contradicting in that in one statements the coaches are all disgruntled and don't want to be there so that's why they aren't any good then you say it's because they only get 5o minutes to practice. Which one is it? Who all do you play in your peewee schedule? Does every young man who wants to play peewee get a chance or does the family have to fork up a certain amount of money. Once you get to school all the kids who can't afford to play get the play. You also have to factor in maturation. Kids hit this at different times. May get a junior high kid that's fully developed and a stud then just another guy in senior high. At what point have any of the juniors done anything different than what the senior high was doing? You act like the junior highs are doing their own thing and that is just simply not the case. Idk what you have been watching but I haven't seen anything of the sorts. The problem I have seen at camden are all the coaches in the stands that think they know more than the guys who are with them everyday.
This post is all good but I have never heard of any coaches in the stands calling the offensive and defensive plays or running the offseason program... ;)
The time spent on the field and in games is just that, time. Quantity doesn't always mean quality. Peewee coaches as a whole are not on par with knowledgable and well trained, well educated school coaches. I'm sure that somebody just got their feeling hurt but it is true. Oh, and yes, there are sometimes quality peewee coaches based on some experience they might have had in their lives, but I doubt that it happens as often as the peewee coaches want to believe.
Man you are either a terrible troll or your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. ;D This is just like trying to teach a pig to sing. You pee off the pig and make yourself look dumb in the process...
I NEVER said they were ALL disgruntled and didn't want to be there. Some are not happy where they are and that is a fact. I never said that that was why they weren't good. You read that into it. I don't know what you do for a living and I don't really care to. But I do know that if you aren't happy being where you are, you are going to be less productive than if you absolutely loved your job and were chomping at the bit to get there everyday. The only coach I mentioned specifically was a young man who is basically an intern, who was a kicker in HS, coaching the O-Line. Other Staff admitted he should have not been thrown into that role, but that was the best they could do at the time. I like him! I got no hard feelings toward him! I've known him and his parents for years! He tried his best in the role he was asked to do! But I had O-linemen telling me they were told not to block more than 5 yards downfield on RUNNING plays! And that wasn't from the intern coach it was from another one! This was after I talked to a few of the linemen that I had coached after a game at DeQueen. They would fire off the line engage their man and then just stop blocking. If the play was an outside run all of the DL and LB's would just disengage and flood to the direction of the play while our linemen were standing back watching. There would be 10 black jerseys at the ball, and all the red ones watching. It was painful!! That is when they told me Coach XXXXX told us we couldn't block more than 5 yards on a running play.
Only having a brief amount of time for practice during the day/week is definitely a detriment to the success of a team.
We played the Camden Soaring Eagles, who then became the Lions, and split into the Camden Panthers, Harmony Grove, Bearden, Hampton, Smackover, Norphlet, Magnolia, Eldorado White, Black or Purple, Strong, JC, PC, and usually a tournament or two after season.
Yes. Every young man that wants to play and his family pays $65 has a chance to play for the Camden Bulldogs. Whether or not he does is up to him. This isn't the Girls and Boys club where there are participation rules. We tried to get every kid into every game at some point, but sometimes it didn't happen. This was made clear to parents in the registration paperwork. I had this one kid who just did not want to go into the game. I tried 2 or 3 times to send him in and he'd say no. After the game his momma balled up on me like a yellow jacket because he didn't get to play. I called him over and had him explain to her that he didn't want to play and that coach had tried to put him in. Another mother brought her son out and wanted me to "make a man out of him" Her words. He had no desire to be there and it showed, but she wouldn't let him quit. Told me to stay on him. I finally had to explain to her that she shouldn't force him to play. It wasn't fair to him or me. I didn't want him to see me in the grocery store and think, "there's that rear football coach that was so hard on me when I didn't want to be there..." It's not about this kid that kid it was about the best 11 at a time. And it is about way more than football. It sets the foundations of hard work, teamwork and discipline. My youngest son came out this year. He was a ball ball of fire the first week or two. When the pads went on and went to popping, he decided that mess wasn't for him. I hate it for him because he is strong and athletic, red headed and mean. Has middle linebacker wrote all over him, but I aint gonna force him to do something he doesn't want to. Maybe he will come around. But I am not disappointed in him. I shared those few instances with you just to show that all youth coaches are not over zealous tyrants who are washed up and trying to live vicariously through their kids. I came up under a hard coaching father. I threw a one hitter in legion ball, no walks and 9K's His reply about the one guy that got a hit? "He'd missed two straight fastballs by a mile, if you hadn't thrown that trashy off speed pitch he wouldn't have been close to getting a hit!" But it's stuff like that that made me the way I am. Ultra competitive and always looking for something to improve on.
One of the programs in town now has a little better backing and does not have a fee.
You posed a question asking for opinions on what should be done to fix some of the problems. I have given you my opinion on that. #1 most important thing is that Jake Monden gets them coaching and playing Jake Monden football in the 7th 8th and 9th grade. #2 is a last period athletics class that would lend to a better quality and quantity of practices. #3 is make sure your staff in these classes are fully bought in to your system or make changes. If you will notice I have not mentioned admin meddling or support or lack thereof. Those are things that I don't know anything about, factually speaking. Everything else I have addressed has been fact. I'm sorry if that clouded the issue for you.
So, since you have tried to refute a lot of what I have said, and seem to think the biggest problem is the "coaches in the stands", lets hear your solutions....
Browning, Coach XXXXX is NOT an "intern." Let's get that out of the way. Second, what coach is disgruntled about where they are? Let's get names. You know them obviously. 3rd every grade but 7th grade has last period athletics. 4th all jr high teams run a watered down version of "Jake Monden football." The higher you go, the more they put on the kids. The most important thing to remember in coaching is to "keep it simple."
1) don't get upset
2) still waiting on where these facts come from.
3) solution- may not be you doing it but let the coaches coach thats what they get paid to do. Stop telling them their coaches don't know what they are doing. Get behind the coaches at home and this will help the kids to buy in to the program. They are with them everyday and there is probably a reason they are doing what they're doing. This would be a huge step in the right direction.
4)said coach is not an intern. Don't know him personally like you. i remember him kicking in high school and I believe college as well. I just can't fathom a guy being around the game in high school and college and telling a kid he can't block for more than 5 yards unless it's a run pass option or a straight up pass play. Under the former OC there were a lot of rpo 's or at least that's what it looked like to me.
5)as far as your solutions go. What are they doing differently at the junior highs compared to the high school? Every grade has last period athletics except the 7th grade. What coaches are not bought in? If these are all facts then please support them. That's all I'm asking. If asking for you to back up what you are saying upsets you then I apologize
:)
Highly upset that this thread died. :(
Whew talk about house divided
As an outsider looking in I will give you my perspective. Fairview just up til about 3 or 4 years ago was looked at as the freakshow. Big strong athletes everywhere. Speed everywhere. You would see it on the field on Friday nights and on track meets in the spring. Now I just don't see those athletes anywhere. Hargraves kid is a freak but he's a senior. I watched the junior high the last few years also and they just dont have the elite athletes.
Quote from: Marblehog on April 04, 2017, 09:56:37 am
As an outsider looking in I will give you my perspective. Fairview just up til about 3 or 4 years ago was looked at as the freakshow. Big strong athletes everywhere. Speed everywhere. You would see it on the field on Friday nights and on track meets in the spring. Now I just don't see those athletes anywhere. Hargraves kid is a freak but he's a senior. I watched the junior high the last few years also and they just dont have the elite athletes.
It's funny how Camden just so happened to stop churning out the elite athletes when Buck and crew left. Hmmm, I wonder if Buck and crew had something to do with a lot of those athletes becoming elite ???. Trust me, Buck and his staff made a lot of those so called elite athletes elite. A lot of those kids couldn't even say let's play when they were in Pee Wee or Junior High football. Carry on...
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on April 13, 2017, 09:47:48 am
It's funny how Camden just so happened to stop churning out the elite athletes when Buck and crew left. Hmmm, I wonder if Buck and crew had something to do with a lot of those athletes becoming elite ???. Trust me, Buck and his staff made a lot of those so called elite athletes elite. A lot of those kids couldn't even say let's play when they were in Pee Wee or Junior High football. Carry on...
Hmmmm, that's a point I've been trying to make about Kelley and PA, but it has not been well taken on this board.
Hopefully Monden can get us back to that level. I like the progress I seen during the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully it continues. I did hear that he got them boys working out like animals.
Quote from: PA Dad on April 13, 2017, 10:59:29 am
Hmmmm, that's a point I've been trying to make about Kelley and PA, but it has not been well taken on this board.
I believe it. PA wasn't PA until Kelley took over. Just like Camden Fairview wasn't Camden Fairview until Buck took over. And it hasn't been the same since he left. It's common sense really. The proof is in the pudding.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on April 13, 2017, 11:01:22 am
I believe it. PA wasn't PA until Kelley took over. Just like Camden Fairview wasn't Camden Fairview until Buck took over. And it hasn't been the same since he left. It's common sense really. The proof is in the pudding.
I've also seen it at my HS in another state. Went from middle of the pack for decades to regional powerhouse for a decade under one head coach then slid back when he moved on to the college ranks. He was the man with the plan and the execution of the plan
Something similar seems to be occurring at Watson Chapel too. Since dropping down to 5A some years back, they have managed to be mostly a one and done team in the 5A state football playoffs. Very rarely had they made it past the first round until coach Dutton took over the Senior High program 2 years ago. Last year for the first time they made a deep run in the playoffs losing to a powerful Wynne team in the state semi-final game and they are a threat to make a deep run in the playoffs this season too.
Has Fairview done anything in any sport since buck left? Didn't they win conference in hoops the same year they won football and 2 state champs in track too right?
Buck is a heck of a basketball and track coach too. Wait, you're telling me he only coached football? You're telling me he hated any other sport? So maybe it's more about the kids and less about coaches?
??? Uh ohhhh
Quote from: Marblehog on February 08, 2017, 11:54:53 am
Its gonna be really tough for Camden to win a game next year. No athletes left somehow
Pleeeeease !!!! Camden Fairview will always have ATHELETES. .....
Quote from: Hoghead2 on May 17, 2017, 10:27:25 am
Pleeeeease !!!! Camden Fairview will always have ATHELETES. .....
So what was the problem last year?
Quote from: Hoghead2 on May 17, 2017, 10:27:25 am
Pleeeeease !!!! Camden Fairview will always have ATHELETES. .....
And Athletes too!
Quote from: spongebob on May 17, 2017, 01:52:37 pm
And Athletes too!
What would you know ? you live in a Pineapple under the sea.
Quote from: PapaHog on April 20, 2017, 10:25:23 am
Buck is a heck of a basketball and track coach too. Wait, you're telling me he only coached football? You're telling me he hated any other sport? So maybe it's more about the kids and less about coaches?
He didn't do to bad at Bryant this past year either huh? Taking them the furthest they have ever been in the playoffs. Not to mention preseason #1 this year in their conference and #2 in the 7A. Dude, let it rest. It's no coincidence. Buck is one heck of a coach! Stands have also been half empty since he left also. I guess that's a coincidence also. ???
The best football and basketball coaches we've ever had both leave the same year and go to LR Christian. I somewhat think that is a connection. Can't you see it. ;) Or are you just too stubborn and blind to?
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on May 17, 2017, 01:21:29 pm
So what was the problem last year?
Had to be the coaching huh? People it's common sense. Why are we still arguing over this? But I do think Coach Monden got them boys back on the right track now. Don't know if we will ever see Coach James right track but we are headed in the right direction. We got a whole lot bigger, stronger, and faster in the offseason. We went from 2 kids benching over 300 to 25 kids benching over 300. The weight program the previous coaching staff had these boys on was garbage. No wonder we couldn't stop the run.
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on August 03, 2017, 03:21:54 pm
Had to be the coaching huh? People it's common sense. Why are we still arguing over this? But I do think Coach Monden got them boys back on the right track now. Don't know if we will ever see Coach James right track but we are headed in the right direction. We got a whole lot bigger, stronger, and faster in the offseason. We went from 2 kids benching over 300 to 25 kids benching over 300. The weight program the previous coaching staff had these boys on was garbage. No wonder we couldn't stop the run.
Wow, those are good numbers
Ready for Camden to come to Arkansas High this year.
Quote from: Overdahill on August 03, 2017, 04:12:53 pm
Wow, those are good numbers
I know. Not even 100% sure I believe it but I believe that's the number the Head Coach put out there over the radio. I was like wow :o! If not exact it was in the 20's for sure.
CF shouldn't have any trouble against Hamburg at all.