1 game left. Who are the top 1A player for this season?
From the state tournament, my top boys (no order) are
ICC- Cooper, Faulkner
WG- Baker, and their big boy (can't remember name)
Kirby- Smith, #23
MVE- Martin
Guy Perkins- Hutch's grandson (can't remember name)
Bay- Gibson
Would add a few more players but I don't want to be biased for ICC or anything so I'm a leave it like this
You're forgetting a few more from guy, lol, they have four that can ball
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 12:04:23 am
You're forgetting a few more from guy, lol, they have four that can ball
You're absolutely right, however I didn't want to put a whole roster on there. It's just the ones that mainly stood out to me.
I would also like to acknowledge how much respect I have for Smith from Kirby. The way he put his team on his back at that final 2 minute stretch against ICC getting basket after basket was insane. He's a great kid too. I've always noticed that year in and year out Kirby has always had great kids and a classy crowd win or lose, they're certainly a special fan base. I wish nothing but the best for them.
For girls, I would say:
Wonderview: Zimmerman, Byers
MVE: Raby, Hardy
Kirby: Smith
Norfork: Dodson
Mammoth Spring: Layne
Quote from: BasketballNeverStops on March 04, 2018, 03:15:03 am
For girls, I would say:
Wonderview: Zimmerman, Byers
MVE: Raby, Hardy
Kirby: Smith
Norfork: Dodson
Mammoth Spring: Layne
Idk that hardy deserves to be on here, she's never really impressed me.
Quote from: BasketballNeverStops on March 04, 2018, 03:15:03 am
For girls, I would say:
Wonderview: Zimmerman, Byers
MVE: Raby, Hardy
Kirby: Smith
Norfork: Dodson
Mammoth Spring: Layne
Hartley for Bay has to be on any girls list imo.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 08:23:37 am
Idk that hardy deserves to be on here, she's never really impressed me.
For her work all season long Hardy belongs, especially for her defense. For her work in the tournament I think you swap her for Ellis.
Quote from: Flobbito on March 04, 2018, 08:53:40 am
For her work all season long Hardy belongs, especially for her defense. For her work in the tournament I think you swap her for Ellis.
She just does what someone her size should do, rebound. Girls aren't very athletic so if you're towering over most then you'll get a lot of rebounds. But when she plays someone her size she disappears. And don't get me started on the nothing but backboard block shots. Most of the time she gets a double double cause she gets 5 if her own rebounds with every two points.
So how many 1A Boys and Girls going on to next level next year??? Any idea
Quote from: RedWolf275 on March 04, 2018, 08:39:16 am
Hartley for Bay has to be on any girls list imo.
If she's number 25 then yes.
I think most would agree we saw 6 or 7 of top boys players just in those games yesterday. Mt Vernon had 2, ICC had 2, Guy had 2 plus the kid who would've been Mt Vernon's 3rd best if he hadn't left there, and Western Grove had 1. Pretty good players in those games.
Quote from: Eagle_Mom_2 on March 04, 2018, 10:07:18 am
I think most would agree we saw 6 or 7 of top boys players just in those games yesterday. Mt Vernon had 2, ICC had 2, Guy had 2 plus the kid who would've been Mt Vernon's 3rd best if he hadn't left there, and Western Grove had 1. Pretty good players in those games.
Wonder why he left MVE to go to Guy 🤔
Quote from: Eagle_Mom_2 on March 04, 2018, 10:07:18 am
I think most would agree we saw 6 or 7 of top boys players just in those games yesterday. Mt Vernon had 2, ICC had 2, Guy had 2 plus the kid who would've been Mt Vernon's 3rd best if he hadn't left there, and Western Grove had 1. Pretty good players in those games.
Would've been mt.vernons 3rd best? He was their best and could go to any other team and put up 30 a night. But he sacrificed being the best on the team to chase a ring. Looks like he made the right decision.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:32:38 am
Would've been mt.vernons 3rd best? He was their best and could go to any other team and put up 30 a night. But he sacrificed being the best on the team to chase a ring. Looks like he made the right decision.
looked like to me that if he stayed at MVE he could've been playing in the finals next week
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 10:35:12 am
looked like to me that if he stayed at MVE he could've been playing in the finals next week
Well he is in the finals still. With a clutch performance last night.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:32:38 am
Would've been mt.vernons 3rd best? He was their best and could go to any other team and put up 30 a night. But he sacrificed being the best on the team to chase a ring. Looks like he made the right decision.
Guess I'm missing something. Martin has been best player as votes by coaches, since he was their all state kid last couple years. Then the number 5 boy is the one who quit last year and then they fell apart late without him playing.
This year, without the boy who moved, they were actually a more talented team. So either you're saying the moved up 10th graders are better than him, or he wasn't actually their best player, or maybe their chemistry was better without him. I dunno but something don't add up there.
Martin kid hands down best all round player between Mt Vernon and Guy!
Quote from: Eagle_Mom_2 on March 04, 2018, 10:54:50 am
Guess I'm missing something. Martin has been best player as votes by coaches, since he was their all state kid last couple years. Then the number 5 boy is the one who quit last year and then they fell apart late without him playing.
This year, without the boy who moved, they were actually a more talented team. So either you're saying the moved up 10th graders are better than him, or he wasn't actually their best player, or maybe their chemistry was better without him. I dunno but something don't add up there.
The chemistry was probably better, but he lead then in points, assist, and steals. 3 out of 4 on the stat sheet. That doesn't lie.
Quote from: SackAttack on March 04, 2018, 10:55:29 am
Martin kid hands down best all round player between Mt Vernon and Guy!
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
Quote from: Eagle_Mom_2 on March 04, 2018, 10:54:50 am
Guess I'm missing something. Martin has been best player as votes by coaches, since he was their all state kid last couple years. Then the number 5 boy is the one who quit last year and then they fell apart late without him playing.
This year, without the boy who moved, they were actually a more talented team. So either you're saying the moved up 10th graders are better than him, or he wasn't actually their best player, or maybe their chemistry was better without him. I dunno but something don't add up there.
I watched Martin yesterday and he's by far a top 5 1A player this season, maybe even higher.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
you're joking right?
Quote from: SackAttack on March 04, 2018, 10:55:29 am
Martin kid hands down best all round player between Mt Vernon and Guy!
Had 10 points in his final game... top players don't choke.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
You are kidding right? Or change the bong water!!
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 11:00:35 am
Had 10 points in his final game... top players don't choke.
he also had Cooper guarding him who not very many 1A post players are going to succeed against.
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Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:57:33 am
The chemistry was probably better, but he lead then in points, assist, and steals. 3 out of 4 on the stat sheet. That doesn't lie.
In many cases the stat sheet can reveal selfishness
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 11:01:41 am
he also had Cooper guarding him who not very many 1A post players are going to succeed against.
I just realized we are talking about a team that ain't even in the mix now. All this talk is irrelevant now. Lol
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 11:03:24 am
Nope, not at all. Watched that Minton boy go for 60 points this year. Watched that petruccelli boy go for 35 countless times. Spires grabs 20+ rebounds in every big game. And Tipton Has a beautiful shot
Dang. Surprised Jonesboro didn't pick them up last off-season. So with a loaded roster like that how have they lost against ANY 1A teams this season?
I'm not an expert but if you're in 1A ball and have two D1 talented players then you shouldn't be losing very many 1A games!
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 11:07:28 am
I'm not an expert but if you're in 1A ball and have two D1 talented players then you shouldn't be losing very many 1A games!
Took some figuring out for them
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 11:09:19 am
Took some figuring out for them
I'm with the SackAttack. Change the bong water man
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 11:10:48 am
I'm with the SackAttack. Change the bong water man
Lol
I'm with hooper I think the guy kids are d1 capable and d2 capable. I get to play against them on Sunday's at hutch arena and they can flat go. Any college coach would love the discipline and hard work these kids would bring to the table. Be a sad day if they don't pan out. Good thing is they have the history of hutchs players going and to successful college careers.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 11:00:35 am
Had 10 points in his final game... top players don't choke.
So <20% of his teams point total against a kid who has D1 talent as a Sophomore isn't good enough?
Quote from: Hero of Twin Groves on March 04, 2018, 11:40:18 am
I'm with hooper I think the guy kids are d1 capable and d2 capable. I get to play against them on Sunday's at hutch arena and they can flat go. Any college coach would love the discipline and hard work these kids would bring to the table. Be a sad day if they don't pan out. Good thing is they have the history of hutchs players going and to successful college careers.
You wouldn't know D1 talent if it slapped you in the face. Jesus. Ballard and the Ealy kid last year were better than any of the kids this year and they ain't d1
Don't insult this 1A thread with your delusions
Now you wanna see ACTUAL D1 talent you go watch the 4A state championship with Baptist Prep and Jonesboro Westside or 5A Mills and Parkview.
I totally agree one of my best friends is a college coach and he spent most of the week at Morrilton and made will not be 2 or 3 kids at most play college ball next year and no D1 players.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 11:04:25 am
I just realized we are talking about a team that ain't even in the mix now. All this talk is irrelevant now. Lol
I thought this thread was about the best players which makes all this y'all relevant
Quote from: begpmat on March 04, 2018, 12:35:29 pm
I totally agree one of my best friends is a college coach and he spent most of the week at Morrilton and made will not be 2 or 3 kids at most play college ball next year and no D1 players.
I don't want to discourage kids but come on now, if your child is a 3.0 student you probably shouldn't be pressuring him into being a Neurologist
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 12:17:38 pm
You wouldn't know D1 talent if it slapped you in the face. Jesus. Ballard and the Ealy kid last year were better than any of the kids this year and they ain't d1
I think I would. I played pick up with Austin reeves and he literally slapped me in the face. Last time I checked he is d1. The kids from guy are every bit the player he is just not as big.
Quote from: Backboard Shattered on March 04, 2018, 12:38:53 pm
I thought this thread was about the best players which makes all this y'all relevant
True
Quote from: Hero of Twin Groves on March 04, 2018, 12:44:54 pm
I think I would. I played pick up with Austin reeves and he literally slapped me in the face. Last time I checked he is d1. The kids from guy are every bit the player he is just not as big.
Now you're comparing the kids to Austin Reeves...
Wow! Guy has 4 slightly above average kids that with that Guy funk have had a great year. Guy does not have a single top 10 player in class A that I have seen. None of those kids look like college talent to me. They may win it all, but I honestly just dont understand the Guy hype. What am I missing here?
Quote from: begpmat on March 04, 2018, 12:35:29 pm
I totally agree one of my best friends is a college coach and he spent most of the week at Morrilton and made will not be 2 or 3 kids at most play college ball next year and no D1 players.
I think we can all agree on this. The 1A State Tournament is fun/good basketball to watch. There is kids with some good talent and I would take nothing from any kid out there. The truth is you move any of these kids or one of these final four teams up just one class to 2A and they have a hard time competing and even making it out of Regionals. They are definitely not D1 for sure, MAYBE D2, MAYBE. Its Amazing the difference in competition when you go up to just 2A!! You move up to 3A and most of these kids won't even be on the 2nd string.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:03:48 pm
I think we can all agree on this. The 1A State Tournament is fun/good basketball to watch. There is kids with some good talent and I would take nothing from any kid out there. The truth is you move any of these kids or one of these final four teams up just one class to 2A and they have a hard time competing and even making it out of Regionals. They are definitely not D1 for sure, MAYBE D2, MAYBE. Its Amazing the difference in competition when you go up to just 2A!! You move up to 3A and most of these kids won't even be on the 2nd string.
Petruccelli started 7a at Conway for 2 years..
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 01:05:57 pm
Petruccelli started 7a at Conway for 2 years..
He probably impressed me the most from Guy. Quick. Great ball handler and made some great passes. From what i watched, he made Guy go.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:03:48 pm
I think we can all agree on this. The 1A State Tournament is fun/good basketball to watch. There is kids with some good talent and I would take nothing from any kid out there. The truth is you move any of these kids or one of these final four teams up just one class to 2A and they have a hard time competing and even making it out of Regionals. They are definitely not D1 for sure, MAYBE D2, MAYBE. Its Amazing the difference in competition when you go up to just 2A!! You move up to 3A and most of these kids won't even be on the 2nd string.
well Bay only got beat 1 by Earle and Earle is in the state championship while Bay couldn't get out of the quarter finals so...
That was Earle without 3 starters!!! Totally different team!! Their leading scorer all year don't even hardly see the floor now.
I doubt anyone wants to see Earle now. Earle turns it on when the postseason gets here, have for years
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Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:14:25 pm
That was Earle without 3 starters!!! Totally different team!! Their leading scorer all year don't even hardly see the floor now.
You're telling me Cooper would be struggling in top competition against 3A and 4A teams?
Quoted wrong post but you know what I'm trying to say.
He struggled against EPC and they are at best mediocre 2A!! I admit he's one of the best in 1A and wld compete well in 2A with most but yes he struggle mightily in 3A and above. The defense is so much better.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:19:39 pm
He struggled against EPC and they are at best mediocre 2A!! I admit he's one of the best in 1A and wld compete well in 2A with most but yes he struggle mightily in 3A and above. The defense is so much better.
he had a 40 point game against E Stem last year...same team who beat Southside in the regionals
And didn't he have 37 against EPC when he was "struggling"?
Estem boys weren't near the same team they were this year
Quote from: BigLion10 on March 04, 2018, 01:21:29 pm
Estem boys weren't near the same team they were this year
still knocked out Southside in the regional tournament.
By the way ICC actually beat E Stem this year and if not mistaken Cooper had 20+ poonts
Only reason why I'm bringing this up is because I disagree that some 1A players couldn't play levels above them. Guarentee you Colton Watson could've balled in 2A, 3A, and maybe 4A
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:19:39 pm
He struggled against EPC and they are at best mediocre 2A!! I admit he's one of the best in 1A and wld compete well in 2A with most but yes he struggle mightily in 3A and above. The defense is so much better.
If mediocre 2A teams make it to their state tournament, I think harms your argument more than helping it.
Quote from: Flobbito on March 04, 2018, 01:24:37 pm
If mediocre 2A teams make it to their state tournament, I think harms your argument more than helping it.
+1
There is no talking with y'all lol!! I'm not bashing the kid. I understand he might of had a good game here or there but he wld not do that very often in 3A or 4A!! If all you watch is 1A ball or Guy or ICC then NO YOU will never see this debate.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:31:58 pm
There is no talking with y'all lol!! I'm not bashing the kid. I understand he might of had a good game here or there but he wld not do that very often in 3A or 4A!! If all you watch is 1A ball or Guy or ICC then NO YOU will never see this debate.
Cooper also plays with the EYBL Wings squad...
1A BASKETBALL IS THE GREATEST CLASSIFICATION IN THE WORLD!!! GO SMALL TOWN ARKANSAS!! I think we can all put our differences aside within the 1a to agree on this;)
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 01:35:22 pm
1A BASKETBALL IS THE GREATEST CLASSIFICATION IN THE WORLD!!! GO SMALL TOWN ARKANSAS!! I think we can all put our differences aside within the 1a to agree on this;)
NO WE'RE INFERIOR AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 01:37:59 pm
NO WE'RE INFERIOR AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY
1a basketball is the only reality
I will be selling "1a vs everybody" t shirts at hot springs. Come and get your shirt, 10$ a pop
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:31:58 pm
There is no talking with y'all lol!! I'm not bashing the kid. I understand he might of had a good game here or there but he wld not do that very often in 3A or 4A!! If all you watch is 1A ball or Guy or ICC then NO YOU will never see this debate.
I frequently watch 5A - 1A ball and AAU/AAO summer ball, Martin, Cooper, Faulkner could start on any of the teams I watched. I haven't seen the elite AR H.S. teams but I have seen enough to know these kids are good. The difference in these higher classifications is depth. Maybe they aren't top tier D1 talent, but they could and probably will continue to play somewhere on the next level.
I've always wanted to see an elite D1 player play in 1A. Anybody remember James Anderson from Junction City back in like...2007? Still holds most points in state finals with 44 points. I think he played in 2A
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 01:58:14 pm
I've always wanted to see an elite D1 player play in 1A. Anybody remember James Anderson from Junction City back in like...2007? Still holds most points in state finals with 44 points. I think he played in 2A
One of the best high school players I've ever seen in person
Quote from: J.D. on March 04, 2018, 02:03:02 pm
One of the best high school players I've ever seen in person
still remember the first shot he took at the beginning of the game was a 40 footer coming off a screen and nailing the shot. Insanity man.
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 02:05:37 pm
still remember the first shot he took at the beginning of the game was a 40 footer coming off a screen and nailing the shot. Insanity man.
I remember him playing against Jessieville in the State Finals and literally single-handily destroying them lol.
He went on to be a Big 12 Player of the Year for Oklahoma State. He also dropped 30 in a game for the 76ers. Not sure what he is up to now, but he was and all-time great high school player.
Quote from: J.D. on March 04, 2018, 02:29:17 pm
I remember him playing against Jessieville in the State Finals and literally single-handily destroying them lol.
He went on to be a Big 12 Player of the Year for Oklahoma State. He also dropped 30 in a game for the 76ers. Not sure what he is up to now, but he was and all-time great high school player.
I knew he was a stud at Oklahoma State. And I knew he played in the League. Definitely lived up to the hype in his last game of his high school career unlike Mr. Monk
Cory Carr from Kingsland in 1994!! Texas Tech and 4-5 years in the NBA! I think there was a kid from WV that walked on at Notre Dame and eventually earned a scholarship I believe! Same year 1994. Also from our area Keith Corncob Cornett played D1 at a school in Texas as did Scott Warcock Whillock! Yes it happens but rarely and those guys were from the best decade of basketball in Arkansas hands down! Y'all ready for the next lesson let me know!!!
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 01:58:14 pm
I've always wanted to see an elite D1 player play in 1A. Anybody remember James Anderson from Junction City back in like...2007? Still holds most points in state finals with 44 points. I think he played in 2A
I think Zimmerman on the Ladybacks is from Wonderview.
Cornett actually went to Northark in Harrison redshirted and then played 2 more years before transferring on.
Quote from: Flobbito on March 04, 2018, 06:55:53 pm
I think Zimmerman on the Ladybacks is from Wonderview.
eh, don't watch much girls basketball. But I'll tell you this, I can't wait to watch Christyn Williams play this week
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 07:17:09 pm
eh, don't watch much girls basketball. But I'll tell you this, I can't wait to watch Christyn Williams play this week
Agree on the girls basketball thing and the Williams part too
A few other pretty solid players...
Tharp from Midland
Godwin from Mammoth Spring
Scholtens from Ridgefield Christian
Carr from Armorel
Faulkner from ICC as well as Cooper...
can't forget Matlock from Omaha he's one of the few 1A players that will be playing next level next year
Quote from: dunkman on March 04, 2018, 07:53:52 pm
can't forget Matlock from Omaha he's one of the few 1A players that will be playing next level next year
Any idea where hes gonna play yet?
Got several options none from D2 to NAIA to JR college will decide within a month.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:03:48 pm
I think we can all agree on this. The 1A State Tournament is fun/good basketball to watch. There is kids with some good talent and I would take nothing from any kid out there. The truth is you move any of these kids or one of these final four teams up just one class to 2A and they have a hard time competing and even making it out of Regionals. They are definitely not D1 for sure, MAYBE D2, MAYBE. Its Amazing the difference in competition when you go up to just 2A!! You move up to 3A and most of these kids won't even be on the 2nd string.
Guy barely lost to Drew Central without 3 starters on the court and not a kid over 6 feet tall... and drew is in 3a state championship.
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 07:17:09 pm
eh, don't watch much girls basketball. But I'll tell you this, I can't wait to watch Christyn Williams play this week
Williams can flat play. Her ball handling, jumping ability and athleticism sets her apart. She has two other girls that are on that team with her that are very good too.
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 04, 2018, 09:55:49 am
If she's number 25 then yes.
Hartley is 35 - and if she was 4-5" taller would be one of the most recruited players in the state at any level....
25 from Bay is Sarah Blackman and she is the most athletic / fastest girls player i have seen in 40 years of watching basketball. I would love to know what her vertical is.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
You will never work for a professional scouting company. Spires is the laziest player in the state, no college coach would want that. Petrucelli is fast but not D1 fast and way too small, maybe D3. Minton is their best overall person and player. Would like to see him play somewhere, but the level of play from even NAIA and up is insanely higher than any good basketball team in high school. Tipton would never make it in college program..PERIOD
Yeah, Tipton is done after HS. Too small and no stamina.
Not sure how much college ball you guys watch, but that next level is huge no matter what level from JRCO to D1. Its a big mans sports anymore. That's why not many high school players ever make it. And 1A ball has very few. The 5'10 to 6'2 players are a dime a dozen don't matter how good you are, because at next level you got a 6'5 plus on you.
Quote from: FromTheBench on March 05, 2018, 08:51:58 am
You will never work for a professional scouting company. Spires is the laziest player in the state, no college coach would want that. Petrucelli is fast but not D1 fast and way too small, maybe D3. Minton is their best overall person and player. Would like to see him play somewhere, but the level of play from even NAIA and up is insanely higher than any good basketball team in high school. Tipton would never make it in college program..PERIOD
Yes plus there's actual rules and standards that most colleges adhere strongly to! But they could probably play for that D1 school out in Cali that was offering Timmy Campbell or the semi-pro team he's on I believe ;D ;D
boys- Carson Petrucelli
girls- Gracie Raby
They could all play for Big Baller Brand though, Lithuania here we go!
Quote from: Flobbito on March 04, 2018, 01:53:23 pm
I frequently watch 5A - 1A ball and AAU/AAO summer ball, Martin, Cooper, Faulkner could start on any of the teams I watched. I haven't seen the elite AR H.S. teams but I have seen enough to know these kids are good. The difference in these higher classifications is depth. Maybe they aren't top tier D1 talent, but they could and probably will continue to play somewhere on the next level.
Agreed. I have seen the Faulkner kid play against some pretty stout and older kids in the summers past and played very well. Cooper is legit! Plays summer ball at top level. These kids are young but talented and could play at any HS level in Arkansas. Maybe not dominate but play and be very effective.
Quote from: baller334 on March 04, 2018, 01:19:39 pm
He struggled against EPC and they are at best mediocre 2A!! I admit he's one of the best in 1A and wld compete well in 2A with most but yes he struggle mightily in 3A and above. The defense is so much better.
Just curious, how many did cooper have in that game? Btw Not real sure if a referee should be commenting on these posts? Just kind of think it might be a conflict of interest.
Who are you talking about????
if your telling me that minton on guy team couldn't make it to college then there is something wrong with your eyes he is one of the most respectable player in 1a basketball he never argues with the ref you never see him make any disrespectful hand movement or gestures he never fights with his opponents he can drive and FINISH against any team he had almost 60 in one game this year
Quote from: allprosports101 on March 06, 2018, 09:16:07 am
if your telling me that minton on guy team couldn't make it to college then there is something wrong with your eyes he is one of the most respectable player in 1a basketball he never argues with the ref you never see him make any disrespectful hand movement or gestures he never fights with his opponents he can drive and FINISH against any team he had almost 60 in one game this year
Amen
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
They are fine 1A ball players, but D1?! How tall is Spires, maybe 6'4"? In D1 he will play against a minimum of 6'9" athletes. Minton and Petrucceli are 1A fast, but that isn't D1 fast and they aren't D1 sized. How many D1 colleges - even D2 are looking at these guys? Not knocking them - but only 3% of all high school players will compete at any NCAA level. Most have metrics of size, speed, and build before they will even look at you. Jacob Roark is the 2nd all time scorer in Arkansas HS history and went to D2 Harding.
Quote from: Flobbito on March 04, 2018, 08:53:40 am
For her work all season long Hardy belongs, especially for her defense. For her work in the tournament I think you swap her for Ellis.
On the Hardy kid, her offense needs work, but I think she is guard dependent as a scorer - and the guards don't utilize her height match ups enough. Her height and length cause a lot of problems in the paint on defense. She has had a ton of blocks and altered a lot more. Like one fan put it - it is Raby's offense and Hardy's defense. If Mt Vernon figures out how to utilize her against an undersized Wonderview team - it could make the difference. Pretty sure she is getting several looks from colleges due to her combination of height and athleticism. I saw three colleges talk to her and her dad at the Final Four.
Quote from: Hero of Twin Groves on March 04, 2018, 11:40:18 am
I'm with hooper I think the guy kids are d1 capable and d2 capable. I get to play against them on Sunday's at hutch arena and they can flat go. Any college coach would love the discipline and hard work these kids would bring to the table. Be a sad day if they don't pan out. Good thing is they have the history of hutchs players going and to successful college careers.
D1 is a whole different level man. You can't tell me Guy has two players close to D1.
Quote from: dunkman on March 05, 2018, 09:33:47 am
Not sure how much college ball you guys watch, but that next level is huge no matter what level from JRCO to D1. Its a big mans sports anymore. That's why not many high school players ever make it. And 1A ball has very few. The 5'10 to 6'2 players are a dime a dozen don't matter how good you are, because at next level you got a 6'5 plus on you.
Best PG's are usually 6-3 and under, even in the NBA
Quote from: Bigpoppa on March 06, 2018, 01:39:08 pm
On the Hardy kid, her offense needs work, but I think she is guard dependent as a scorer - and the guards don't utilize her height match ups enough. Her height and length cause a lot of problems in the paint on defense. She has had a ton of blocks and altered a lot more. Like one fan put it - it is Raby's offense and Hardy's defense. If Mt Vernon figures out how to utilize her against an undersized Wonderview team - it could make the difference. Pretty sure she is getting several looks from colleges due to her combination of height and athleticism. I saw three colleges talk to her and her dad at the Final Four.
You hit it on the nose. That offense relies on guard play, she is there to rebound and get the occasional pass so she can try to score a bucket in the paint. Her defense inside is good, and she has worked on developing and outside shot. If you saw her as a sophomore, you know she improved her shooting form a ton. If the rumors I heard were true, she didn't play basketball until 7th grade, so she had some catching up to do.
Quote from: Eagle_Mom_2 on March 04, 2018, 10:54:50 am
Guess I'm missing something. Martin has been best player as votes by coaches, since he was their all state kid last couple years. Then the number 5 boy is the one who quit last year and then they fell apart late without him playing.
This year, without the boy who moved, they were actually a more talented team. So either you're saying the moved up 10th graders are better than him, or he wasn't actually their best player, or maybe their chemistry was better without him. I dunno but something don't add up there.
I don't know Tipton, or any of the other MVE kids (though Tipton is Guy's kid now) by anything other than reputation and what I can see in 32 minutes on the court. I have thought for the last few years that Tipton was a very good player, but if things start going wrong for him, he can't get out of his head enough to shake it. I think at times he felt like he had to take a game over (and sometimes he did) to get the win, but if he missed a few shots or made a few turn overs, it was like watching him struggle to get out of quicksand. #23 Brantley who was a Sophomore for MVE this year was like a younger more confident version of Tipton, just lacks some experience. If the rumors on FF are true, though, he and the new coach don't get along and he may transfer next year. I have talked to a lot of people in the stands, including my normal MVE gossip go-to's and no one else corroborates this. Replacing Adcock and Martin will be hard, but MVE will still be a decent team next year.
Quote from: CCEAGLES22 on March 06, 2018, 03:00:21 pm
D1 is a whole different level man. You can't tell me Guy has two players close to D1.
There is not a D1 or D2 player on Guy. Not even close.
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 04, 2018, 10:59:08 am
Minton On guy-D1 capable
Petrucceli On guy-d1 capable
Spires On guy- d2 capable
Tipton-could possibly go somewhere
You have lost your mind
I think ya'll are giving more credit to D1 than it needs. I don't think anyone on here is saying they can go to the SEC, ACC, or Big East. I've watched many smaller D1 Schools that I have sat their and thought "a !a kid could play here" teams like Incarnate Word, UCA even (but they are pretty good and anyone in 1a would probably red shirt to improve for a year) or Oral Roberts. Teams like that and even smaller.
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 07, 2018, 08:50:27 am
I think ya'll are giving more credit to D1 than it needs. I don't think anyone on here is saying they can go to the SEC, ACC, or Big East. I've watched many smaller D1 Schools that I have sat their and thought "a !a kid could play here" teams like Incarnate Word, UCA even (but they are pretty good and anyone in 1a would probably red shirt to improve for a year) or Oral Roberts. Teams like that and even smaller.
So is Incarnate Word, UCA, or Oral Roberts looking at any of this D1 talent? If you are correct, you would think UCA would save their recruiting budget and call Hutch for some kids. I think if you looked at their rosters - you would see a lot of kids bigger than 6'6" - and a whole lot of kids 6'8" and bigger. Pretty sure UCA and IC had 7 footers! Even if a kid has the size and speed - is anyone making sure they are academically eligible, taking the ACT test, and registering with the NCAA Clearinghouse?
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 07, 2018, 08:50:27 am
I think ya'll are giving more credit to D1 than it needs. I don't think anyone on here is saying they can go to the SEC, ACC, or Big East. I've watched many smaller D1 Schools that I have sat their and thought "a !a kid could play here" teams like Incarnate Word, UCA even (but they are pretty good and anyone in 1a would probably red shirt to improve for a year) or Oral Roberts. Teams like that and even smaller.
Have not seen MVE play, but I've seen Guy and all the Boys in South. Not a D1 or D2 player in there. NAIA, maybe. Even at that level, they still are looking at guys that are 6-3 plus.
Quote from: riccoar on March 07, 2018, 10:33:55 am
Have not seen MVE play, but I've seen Guy and all the Boys in South. Not a D1 or D2 player in there. NAIA, maybe. Even at that level, they still are looking at guys that are 6-3 plus.
I agree. D3/NAIA at best. I want the best for any kid in our area, but we need to be realistic. But, it doesn't matter what we think - it matters what colleges think. If there is D1 talent on the court Saturday - it will be very evident by the amount of colleges that are there recruiting and the amount of offers that come in. I think there are some folks setting themselves up for a let down.
D1 D2 D3/NAIA NJCAA
Point Guard 6'1+ 6'0+ 5'10+ 5'9+
Shooting Guard 6'3+ 6'2+ 6'0+ 5'10+
Small Forward 6'5+ 6'4+ 6'3+ 6'3+
Power Forward 6'7+ 6'6+ 6'5+ 6'4+
Center 6'9+ 6'8+ 6'7+ 6'6+
Jordan Howard is UCA best layer at 5'11 on a good day. Besides the point. Not saying any of these kids are Jordan Howard, but neither was Jordan Howard at one point. These kids have not reached their full potential. And no none of the Guy kids are getting looked at by those schools, but that was also not the point in that post. And NAIA at best? There are many players in 1a that can go NAIA. Crowley's Ridge, CBC, for sure. Lyonn too at D3. Williams Baptist too. They seem to like 1a. I mean these kids arent terrible.
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 07, 2018, 01:00:32 pm
Jordan Howard is UCA best layer at 5'11 on a good day. Besides the point. Not saying any of these kids are Jordan Howard, but neither was Jordan Howard at one point. These kids have not reached their full potential. And no none of the Guy kids are getting looked at by those schools, but that was also not the point in that post. And NAIA at best? There are many players in 1a that can go NAIA. Crowley's Ridge, CBC, for sure. Lyonn too at D3. Williams Baptist too. They seem to like 1a. I mean these kids arent terrible.
Forgive me if you took it that way. They are not terrible players at all, it's just a very big leap from HS to any college playing. And D3 and NAIA also recruit nationally so you are not talking about placing these kids into a pool of players in Arkansas. And Minton is the best player on Guy.
Quote from: riccoar on March 07, 2018, 01:28:40 pm
Forgive me if you took it that way. They are not terrible players at all, it's just a very big leap from HS to any college playing. And D3 and NAIA also recruit nationally so you are not talking about placing these kids into a pool of players in Arkansas. And Minton is the best player on Guy.
I agree with that whole statement. +1
Quote from: Bigpoppa on March 07, 2018, 10:21:56 am
So is Incarnate Word, UCA, or Oral Roberts looking at any of this D1 talent? If you are correct, you would think UCA would save their recruiting budget and call Hutch for some kids. I think if you looked at their rosters - you would see a lot of kids bigger than 6'6" - and a whole lot of kids 6'8" and bigger. Pretty sure UCA and IC had 7 footers! Even if a kid has the size and speed - is anyone making sure they are academically eligible, taking the ACT test, and registering with the NCAA Clearinghouse?
No because there is no D1 talent at Guy! Just like last year and the year before that and the year before that and well everyone gets the point!
+1
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 07, 2018, 01:00:32 pm
Jordan Howard is UCA best layer at 5'11 on a good day. Besides the point. Not saying any of these kids are Jordan Howard, but neither was Jordan Howard at one point. These kids have not reached their full potential. And no none of the Guy kids are getting looked at by those schools, but that was also not the point in that post. And NAIA at best? There are many players in 1a that can go NAIA. Crowley's Ridge, CBC, for sure. Lyonn too at D3. Williams Baptist too. They seem to like 1a. I mean these kids arent terrible.
I would agree on the NCAA D3 (no athletic scholarships), NAIA level (very few, if any full rides), and even D2 JUCO (can give tuition only at max). Henderson, Ouachita, UAM, SAU are all instate D2's that should be offering if they are above that talent level. Like I said, they are good 1A players - heck they may be good 7A players - that doesn't mean there is ANY D1 talent on the floor, especially not 3 of them, like was stated previously. But, yes - there are several $20K a year schools that would give them a partial scholarship if their grades and ACT scores are good.
There's a lot of talk on here about these Guy kids. Maybe I'm the only one not seeing it. ICC has the best 2 players on the floor come Saturday. People badly underestimate a couple of the other kids from ICC as well, I do not see Guy as having a talent advantage, just don't see it.
Quote from: Bigpoppa on March 07, 2018, 04:03:55 pm
I would agree on the NCAA D3 (no athletic scholarships), NAIA level (very few, if any full rides), and even D2 JUCO (can give tuition only at max). Henderson, Ouachita, UAM, SAU are all instate D2's that should be offering if they are above that talent level. Like I said, they are good 1A players - heck they may be good 7A players - that doesn't mean there is ANY D1 talent on the floor, especially not 3 of them, like was stated previously. But, yes - there are several $20K a year schools that would give them a partial scholarship if their grades and ACT scores are good.
LOL grades and ACT scores in the same sentence as Guy!! Just doesn't fit
Quote from: SackAttack on March 07, 2018, 09:36:29 pm
LOL grades and ACT scores in the same sentence as Guy!! Just doesn't fit
State championships and Westside don't belong in the same sentence.
Quote from: bigballerbrand1200 on March 07, 2018, 09:51:37 pm
State championships and Westside don't belong in the same sentence.
Actually they do! We have them in both boys and girls! Without moving kids in to get them. Hard to do I know. That's why most schools have very few some have a bunch. I'll anxious to see where Guays D1 players play next year. We will see hopefully I'm surprised but I bet I won't be
This thread has quickly went from "Best 1a Players" to "Which players from Guy can got to college"
Ballard had letters to go to Memphis I saw them
Quote from: Backboard Shattered on March 08, 2018, 10:11:49 am
Ballard had letters to go to Memphis I saw them
Big difference between getting a letter and getting an offer
Quote from: 1Lurker on March 07, 2018, 04:10:25 pm
There's a lot of talk on here about these Guy kids. Maybe I'm the only one not seeing it. ICC has the best 2 players on the floor come Saturday. People badly underestimate a couple of the other kids from ICC as well, I do not see Guy as having a talent advantage, just don't see it.
agreed
Quote from: FromTheBench on March 05, 2018, 08:51:58 am
You will never work for a professional scouting company. Spires is the laziest player in the state, no college coach would want that. Petrucelli is fast but not D1 fast and way too small, maybe D3. Minton is their best overall person and player. Would like to see him play somewhere, but the level of play from even NAIA and up is insanely higher than any good basketball team in high school. Tipton would never make it in college program..PERIOD
hey, the laziest player in the state just broke the rebounding record for a state championship game. GOH lil boy.
Quote from: thebigman3 on March 10, 2018, 11:11:55 pm
hey, the laziest player in the state just broke the rebounding record for a state championship game. GOH lil boy.
Yeah tell them boy, gtfo
Quote from: hooperfromwestside on March 10, 2018, 11:38:59 pm
Yeah tell them boy, gtfo
You lost all credibility with this account when everybody figured out it was a double account. Go make another again.
Quote from: Central Ark on March 11, 2018, 10:41:32 am
You lost all credibility with this account when everybody figured out it was a double account. Go make another again.
That was a quick kick to the ole crotch! Guay played well Hutch ate Bosses Big Sack and Now there will be a new Combo in the Conway Greenbrier Quitman area Sonics! And if Guay gets a sonic they will be removed from the local area Sonics unless the demand stays high
Quote from: Chicky on March 08, 2018, 04:28:05 pm
agreed
I was at the game and Guy had the two most effective players on the court (Petrocelli and Spires) and the best coach on the bench. I don't understand why ICC slowed the game down late in first half and let Guy get back in. Every time teams try to slow Guy down it backfires.
:D
Quote from: D6Bound on March 04, 2018, 10:12:43 am
Wonder why he left MVE to go to Guy 🤔
:-X ???can someone answer this that really knows?