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« on: December 06, 2017, 08:44:04 am »
How long would you guess he'd stay at PA?

Is there reason to beleive he's reached his end game there and would want to accomplish more on another level?

Seems reasonable to assume he's reached an End Game moment.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 09:03:15 am »
I could see him trying to get a college job before a 6/7A job.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 09:03:59 am »
How long would you guess he'd stay at PA?

Is there reason to beleive he's reached his end game there and would want to accomplish more on another level?

Seems reasonable to assume he's reached an End Game moment.

I heard him on the radio say he loves his job and he truly canít find a reason to leave right now. He did say that if something did come up that was better, then he would have to re-evaluate but itís going to have to be a situation that exceeds the great situation he is in Now.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 12:17:02 pm »
I guess Arkansas has already hired a new AD and HFC.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 02:27:19 pm »
PA has more the feeling of something out of the ordinary, something almost flukey because of a combination of factors that are (likely) not repeatable elsewhere - an approach that is working because others lack the resources to adjust to it. 

None of that should be taken as an insult to PA - it is more a recognition of what they have is unique - no one else does this so how can a team really prepare for what they do?  Probably the change that would bring about the end of PA's run is for more teams to implement their strategies and allow more teams to become comfortable in dealing with this approach to the game. 


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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 03:14:02 pm »
Isn't the Veagles looking for a new coach?  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 09:07:46 pm »
On this subject my views have evolved. Why do we assume successful coaches must advance? What is more important then shaping the lives of young men? Many high school coaches are still coaching high school because they want to. What does he have to prove? I think someone said he has children that attend PA, why would he leave? If he loves his job he's blessed. Staying put does not cheapen what he's accomplished nor does it show a lack of ambition. He's smart enough to know his system would not work in college or even in the highest classification, Guess what? He's not in college or the highest classification. He saw what he had to work with and he made it work. For all our debates and theories we may be missing the most important point, maybe he stays where he is because he loves where he is? At it's very core he's an educator, can anyone name a more important job?

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 09:08:49 pm »
I'm not saying he should and I get your point.

But I wouldn't be surprised.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 09:22:51 pm »
On this subject my views have evolved. Why do we assume successful coaches must advance? What is more important then shaping the lives of young men? Many high school coaches are still coaching high school because they want to. What does he have to prove? I think someone said he has children that attend PA, why would he leave? If he loves his job he's blessed. Staying put does not cheapen what he's accomplished nor does it show a lack of ambition. He's smart enough to know his system would not work in college or even in the highest classification, Guess what? He's not in college or the highest classification. He saw what he had to work with and he made it work. For all our debates and theories we may be missing the most important point, maybe he stays where he is because he loves where he is? At it's very core he's an educator, can anyone name a more important job?

Jessie, you can sometimes surprise me with your insight.  I donít have any inside information, but I think your observations are insightful.  I think Coach Kelley is very happy where he is.  I have no idea what his compensation is but I suspect that he is very well compensated.  And his daughter is at PA and he may want to stay until she graduates.

If he got an offer where he had complete control and was free to run his program he might move up.  And, contrary to what you think, I think he believes his system would work at any level.  He might have to tweak it, but it is based on statistics and those stats should work at any level.  It will be interesting to watch if he does move up.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 09:53:40 pm »
Jessie, you can sometimes surprise me with your insight.  I donít have any inside information, but I think your observations are insightful.  I think Coach Kelley is very happy where he is.  I have no idea what his compensation is but I suspect that he is very well compensated.  And his daughter is at PA and he may want to stay until she graduates.

If he got an offer where he had complete control and was free to run his program he might move up.  And, contrary to what you think, I think he believes his system would work at any level.  He might have to tweak it, but it is based on statistics and those stats should work at any level.  It will be interesting to watch if he does move up.

When I say his system would not work I mean verbatim it wouldn't work. It's based on analytics, those analytics would change dramatically in college and to a lesser extent in higher classifications. You will run into much better athletes. In college you would net a lot more yards punting, they have better punters. In college every team can defend the pass, in high school it's rare. In college recovering an onside kick has a 7% success rate (I looked it up). Is he smart enough to make the necessary tweeks? yes. But a Kevin Kelly team on the college level would not resemble PA. In college you don't go for it on 4th and 10 from your 20, unless it's desperation at the end of the game, that's giving away points. A 37 yard FG in college is a gimme.  I seriously doubt he would want his defense to be defending a 50 yard field 93% of the time, that's suicide. Would he use analytics to field an out of the norm team? probably. My point was he couldn't run a PA type team at the next level. Analytics doesn't support it.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 10:10:16 pm »
When I say his system would not work I mean verbatim it wouldn't work. It's based on analytics, those analytics would change dramatically in college and to a lesser extent in higher classifications. You will run into much better athletes. In college you would net a lot more yards punting, they have better punters. In college every team can defend the pass, in high school it's rare. In college recovering an onside kick has a 7% success rate (I looked it up). Is he smart enough to make the necessary tweeks? yes. But a Kevin Kelly team on the college level would not resemble PA. In college you don't go for it on 4th and 10 from your 20, unless it's desperation at the end of the game, that's giving away points. A 37 yard FG in college is a gimme.  I seriously doubt he would want his defense to be defending a 50 yard field 93% of the time, that's suicide. Would he use analytics to field an out of the norm team? probably. My point was he couldn't run a PA type team at the next level. Analytics doesn't support it.

Itís an interesting discussion.  I donít want him to leave PA, but it will be very interesting to watch if he does.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 10:31:12 pm »
Isn't the Veagles looking for a new coach?  Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...





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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 10:58:04 am »
When I say his system would not work I mean verbatim it wouldn't work. It's based on analytics, those analytics would change dramatically in college and to a lesser extent in higher classifications. You will run into much better athletes. In college you would net a lot more yards punting, they have better punters. In college every team can defend the pass, in high school it's rare. In college recovering an onside kick has a 7% success rate (I looked it up). Is he smart enough to make the necessary tweeks? yes. But a Kevin Kelly team on the college level would not resemble PA. In college you don't go for it on 4th and 10 from your 20, unless it's desperation at the end of the game, that's giving away points. A 37 yard FG in college is a gimme.  I seriously doubt he would want his defense to be defending a 50 yard field 93% of the time, that's suicide. Would he use analytics to field an out of the norm team? probably. My point was he couldn't run a PA type team at the next level. Analytics doesn't support it.

I think Jessie gets it; the level changes the equations and coach will go with whatever he believes gives his team the best chance to win. Besides numbers and athleticism, psychology and "indoctrination" would be different when you don't start breaking them in during 5th grade :D

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 11:12:35 am »
Seeing what I have seen the last 6 years in the program, if Kelley went to the collegiate level, his system would change. It would not be the same system you have seen at PA, some of it would be, but some of it would change. He is smart enough to know that not all of it would work the way it has in High School. But where he would excel is the creation of match-ups, or mismatches. I couldn't tell you the number of times I sat in the stands and saw him run a play, knowing it was not going to gain a bunch of yards to set up another play that would. Very open-minded and an outside the box thinker, and I think that could be very successful in college. Guess we will have to wait and see...........

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 12:27:18 pm »
Good discussion...  ;)

What has the turnover been in ASSISTANT coaches at Pulaski Academy?

Part of the craziness in college coaching is turnover in coaches; especially assistants. That could be another factor affecting Kelley's decision.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2017, 12:29:55 pm »
Seeing what I have seen the last 6 years in the program, if Kelley went to the collegiate level, his system would change. It would not be the same system you have seen at PA, some of it would be, but some of it would change. He is smart enough to know that not all of it would work the way it has in High School. But where he would excel is the creation of match-ups, or mismatches. I couldn't tell you the number of times I sat in the stands and saw him run a play, knowing it was not going to gain a bunch of yards to set up another play that would. Very open-minded and an outside the box thinker, and I think that could be very successful in college. Guess we will have to wait and see...........

Remember, the issue of match-ups, play setting and misdirection are not part of Kelly's creation. They have been around for years. Some say Bill Walsh changed the game with the West Coast offense, which can be called the Grandfather of Kelly's system. Chip Kelly changed it more starting back in 1999. The whole point of my post was to say Kevin Kelly is a masterful high school coach, let's leave it at that. That in and of itself is a wonderful accomplishment. He has never said he aspires for greater challenges, we have. He has his lot in life and it's very impressive, why does he need to expound on it? In this day of cell phone camera's, internet and 24 hour news cycles there are no secrets. The PA system is known, if it were to work on higher levels it would have been implemented long before now. It's not a hidden secret. The other parts of the PA system you mention (match-ups, setting up plays) is far from exclusive to PA. Football started doing those things in the early 80's.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2017, 01:53:42 pm »
Remember, the issue of match-ups, play setting and misdirection are not part of Kelly's creation. They have been around for years. Some say Bill Walsh changed the game with the West Coast offense, which can be called the Grandfather of Kelly's system. Chip Kelly changed it more starting back in 1999. The whole point of my post was to say Kevin Kelly is a masterful high school coach, let's leave it at that. That in and of itself is a wonderful accomplishment. He has never said he aspires for greater challenges, we have. He has his lot in life and it's very impressive, why does he need to expound on it? In this day of cell phone camera's, internet and 24 hour news cycles there are no secrets. The PA system is known, if it were to work on higher levels it would have been implemented long before now. It's not a hidden secret. The other parts of the PA system you mention (match-ups, setting up plays) is far from exclusive to PA. Football started doing those things in the early 80's.

In no way did I mean to imply that Kelley is the creator of that at all. But successful coaches implement that in their play calling, and from what I have seen the last 4 years from the Central and then other schools around the state in the playoffs is a real lack of creativity...we agree then...he is a masterful high school coach, but I believe in a good situation, he could be a good college coach as well.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2017, 01:57:42 pm »
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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2017, 05:45:13 pm »
In no way did I mean to imply that Kelley is the creator of that at all. But successful coaches implement that in their play calling, and from what I have seen the last 4 years from the Central and then other schools around the state in the playoffs is a real lack of creativity...we agree then...he is a masterful high school coach, but I believe in a good situation, he could be a good college coach as well.

Agreed. I wouldn't say it's a stretch for him to take over a Lyon College or Henderson State level program. That would be withing the realm of a normal jump. If he liked the college game and had success then yes, he would fast track to a Malzhan type career. I only got overly vocal when someone said he should take over the Razorbacks, my reaction was "Hey hey hey, let's pump the brakes a little and venture back to reality". A lot of people forget that Gus made the initial jump because Mustain snuck him into his luggage. It took him a few years of limited success as a DC to get the HC call. Let's also remember Gus's first year at Arkansas he had McFadden, Jones and Hillis. I could have ran that offense for goodness sakes. I'd be on the sideline with a white board saying "You go to the fire hydrant and cut left, you go to the front of that truck and zig zag right and then we'll hand it to Darren". He didn't show us much in year one.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2017, 07:29:46 pm »
Coach Kelley has had numerous opportunities to take over some very good 5A, 6A, and 7A programs. He has always been open to talk to/listen to them when they call.  However, as you guys noted, he is very happy at PA, and unless he changes his mind, he will not leave for another high school job.

He has had some very intriguing opportunities at the next level as well, but the timing has not worked out. I thought that once his son graduated after the 2015 season that he would go, but he hasn't really had a great option like a few he had while Zack was in school.

I think where most people miss the boat on Kevin is focusing on the onsides and not punting, and not paying attention to how good his offense has been for a long time.  My last 6 years, from 2006-2011, his offense AVERAGED 528 yards per game, with most of those yards being put up in the first halves.  I know they've probably been better than that since I left, and this year they were 2nd in the country with I think around 580!  My point is that if somebody would hire him as OC and turn him loose, I think he would do great at any level.

Somebody asked about assistants, the only assistants that have left for other jobs are myself and Coach Todd Wood, the DC at Russellville. 

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 11:08:28 pm »
My opinion is a move would be to a college and not to another AR HS.

I kind of think it'll happen and I need to note that I really don't even know the man personally.  Just a gut call,

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2017, 07:21:49 am »
Agreed. I wouldn't say it's a stretch for him to take over a Lyon College or Henderson State level program. That would be withing the realm of a normal jump. If he liked the college game and had success then yes, he would fast track to a Malzhan type career. I only got overly vocal when someone said he should take over the Razorbacks, my reaction was "Hey hey hey, let's pump the brakes a little and venture back to reality". A lot of people forget that Gus made the initial jump because Mustain snuck him into his luggage. It took him a few years of limited success as a DC to get the HC call. Let's also remember Gus's first year at Arkansas he had McFadden, Jones and Hillis. I could have ran that offense for goodness sakes. I'd be on the sideline with a white board saying "You go to the fire hydrant and cut left, you go to the front of that truck and zig zag right and then we'll hand it to Darren". He didn't show us much in year one.
I'm the one who said he should be the Hogs coach. And I meant it genuinely but I am happy with who we got. The same kind of coach that Kevin Kelley is.  I believe Coach Kelley could accomplish the exact thing coach Morris has if he chose but seems like he really enjoys winning state titles. I can understand that.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2017, 09:05:14 am »
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That would be a very interesting move. I think he would do well there.

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2017, 09:17:08 am »
I'm the one who said he should be the Hogs coach. And I meant it genuinely but I am happy with who we got. The same kind of coach that Kevin Kelley is.  I believe Coach Kelley could accomplish the exact thing coach Morris has if he chose but seems like he really enjoys winning state titles. I can understand that.

There are a lot of people who love football but actually don't really understand football. PA has achieved amazing results, no denying that, at a small state mid division level. You have to consider the competition they face, put it in context. Over the course of this 4 year run no one has thought PA was the best team in Arkansas, this year the general feeling is they are 5th or 6th best. People have said the 2011 team may have been the best, no one has said they were definitively the best in the state. With all due respect to Coach DePriest let's put PA in a league with De La Salle, Bishop Gorman, Mater Dei, Katy, IMG, Brazelton, St. Joes, Long Beach Poly and Miami Prep. If they go undefeated and put up 500+ yards a game then yes, Kelly should be considered for a college asst. coaching job. Last year PA faced a team that finished the year in the Top 25 in the Nation, they weren't when they played, and the results were quite humbling. They realized real fast "we aren't playing LR Fair anymore". Two things to remember, Malzhan didn't get upped because of his resume, he was part of the Springdale package, and he was at the highest high school classification.

That's what I was saying in my initial post. What PA accomplished is impressive, worthy of our respect. But let's get some perspective. To people outside the FF message boards, hiring Kelly to coach the Razorbacks is literally laughable.
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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 10:47:12 am »
There are a lot of people who love football but actually don't really understand football. PA has achieved amazing results, no denying that, at a small state mid division level. You have to consider the competition they face, put it in context. Over the course of this 4 year run no one has thought PA was the best team in Arkansas, this year the general feeling is they are 5th or 6th best. People have said the 2011 team may have been the best, no one has said they were definitively the best in the state. With all due respect to Coach DePriest let's put PA in a league with De La Salle, Bishop Gorman, Mater Dei, Katy, IMG, Brazelton, St. Joes, Long Beach Poly and Miami Prep. If they go undefeated and put up 500+ yards a game then yes, Kelly should be considered for a college asst. coaching job. Last year PA faced a team that finished the year in the Top 25 in the Nation, they weren't when they played, and the results were quite humbling. They realized real fast "we aren't playing LR Fair anymore". Two things to remember, Malzhan didn't get upped because of his resume, he was part of the Springdale package, and he was at the highest high school classification.

That's what I was saying in my initial post. What PA accomplished is impressive, worthy of our respect. But let's get some perspective. To people outside the FF message boards, hiring Kelly to coach the Razorbacks is literally laughable.

I agree, that Kelley being the head coach of a SEC team is far reaching...smaller FBS school...say a Rice or Tulane, FCS school, or Ivy league, think he could do that, and with some time to acclimate, he would be successful.

Now on to the comment about playing East...at the end of the game they won...by 14 points, not arguing that. But let's take this into account...it was 21-8 at halftime, in which East had 2 goal line stands, one they deserved and one was a situation where you put the ball in the hands of a kid who plays defense and he OVER THROWS a WIDE open WR in the end zone. PA then played them in the second half to a 15-16 second half. All of the talk of PA being blown out, just not the truth, and the stats show that...PA out gained East 388 to 418, but the deciding factor was 6 turnovers vs 3. I have seen on here a number of times that PA was blown out by East, and that was not the case. While PA was at a distinct size disadvantage, they held their ground and played them hard. After that game there was a mutual respect between the schools, to the point that they congratulated PA on the State Championship!!!!

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2017, 10:59:48 am »
To people outside the FF message boards, hiring Kelly to coach the Razorbacks is literally laughable.
That depends on what his coaching assignment might be.

HC or OC at UA, not conceivable.  But you'd have to think he'd be a pretty good position coach for offensive skill positions.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2017, 11:13:00 am »
That depends on what his coaching assignment might be.

HC or OC at UA, not conceivable.  But you'd have to think he'd be a pretty good position coach for offensive skill positions.

Agree, somewhat. The whole point was that a PA fan, and a few others agreed, said that he should be named Arkansas Head Coach. That and that alone was the point I was saying was ludicrous. They were serious, they thought it would be a good idea. They need to Google Gerry Faust. He Coached a team that for several years was the consensus top high school football team in the Nation. He jumped from HS to Notre Dame, it was a monumental failure. To this day the name Gerry Faust is iconic to bad coaching hires.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2017, 12:18:45 pm »
Can PA's football program be moved up to 6A, without the other PA sports programs being moved up?

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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2017, 12:29:20 pm »
Can PA's football program be moved up to 6A, without the other PA sports programs being moved up?
My understanding is next year all Morrilton sports will drop to 4A except football that will remain at 5A. If this is correct then I suppose it would be possible. 

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 12:55:45 pm »
There are a lot of people who love football but actually don't really understand football. PA has achieved amazing results, no denying that, at a small state mid division level. You have to consider the competition they face, put it in context. Over the course of this 4 year run no one has thought PA was the best team in Arkansas, this year the general feeling is they are 5th or 6th best. People have said the 2011 team may have been the best, no one has said they were definitively the best in the state. With all due respect to Coach DePriest let's put PA in a league with De La Salle, Bishop Gorman, Mater Dei, Katy, IMG, Brazelton, St. Joes, Long Beach Poly and Miami Prep. If they go undefeated and put up 500+ yards a game then yes, Kelly should be considered for a college asst. coaching job. Last year PA faced a team that finished the year in the Top 25 in the Nation, they weren't when they played, and the results were quite humbling. They realized real fast "we aren't playing LR Fair anymore". Two things to remember, Malzhan didn't get upped because of his resume, he was part of the Springdale package, and he was at the highest high school classification.

That's what I was saying in my initial post. What PA accomplished is impressive, worthy of our respect. But let's get some perspective. To people outside the FF message boards, hiring Kelly to coach the Razorbacks is literally laughable.
There are some people who think they know a lot about football but don't so they try to insult people to deflect attention away from some of their laughable and ridiculous football rhetoric.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 01:05:23 pm »
Tell Kelly to go coach LR Fair and see if he is a genius! This is so funny thinking he can coach at the college levei not punting and onside kicking!

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2017, 01:10:15 pm »
PA will be 5A in football and 4A in every other sport as well.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2017, 01:27:38 pm »
Tell Kelly to go coach LR Fair and see if he is a genius! This is so funny thinking he can coach at the college levei not punting and onside kicking!

My guess is that they would get profoundly better and if you think otherwise you're a fool. The guy can coach. Now stepping into the SEC West and being an HC with no prior experience is a statement made by a fool as well

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2017, 02:20:31 pm »
Ur the fool believing this nonsense!

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2017, 02:25:54 pm »
There are a lot of people who love football but actually don't really understand football. PA has achieved amazing results, no denying that, at a small state mid division level. You have to consider the competition they face, put it in context. Over the course of this 4 year run no one has thought PA was the best team in Arkansas, this year the general feeling is they are 5th or 6th best. People have said the 2011 team may have been the best, no one has said they were definitively the best in the state. With all due respect to Coach DePriest let's put PA in a league with De La Salle, Bishop Gorman, Mater Dei, Katy, IMG, Brazelton, St. Joes, Long Beach Poly and Miami Prep. If they go undefeated and put up 500+ yards a game then yes, Kelly should be considered for a college asst. coaching job. Last year PA faced a team that finished the year in the Top 25 in the Nation, they weren't when they played, and the results were quite humbling. They realized real fast "we aren't playing LR Fair anymore". Two things to remember, Malzhan didn't get upped because of his resume, he was part of the Springdale package, and he was at the highest high school classification.

That's what I was saying in my initial post. What PA accomplished is impressive, worthy of our respect. But let's get some perspective. To people outside the FF message boards, hiring Kelly to coach the Razorbacks is literally laughable.
Why would we put PA in a league with those guys?  Nobody else in the state or country is. 

I just looked it up, and PA averaged 571 yards per game this year.  How many teams do you know in the state at any level that had that many yards in a single game?  There are some, but it is very few.  How many have done it more than once?  Guess how many yards the second best team in the state averaged?  477 by Searcy...94 yards per game less.

When PA moved up to 5A in 2006, people thought their wins and offensive numbers would go down.  However, it had the opposite effect.  PA still won, but they had to score more points and keep their 1st offense in the game longer.  From 2006-2009, they played Greenwood in the playoffs.  In those four games, PA went 2-2 and averaged 658 yards and 45 points (that's with a 21 point/482 yard performance in their 2009 victory). 


As for Coach Kelley going to the Razorbacks as HC, you were the only one that mentioned that on this thread, so it seems the laughable part is that you were the one that brought it up.  I know there was a discussion on Bo Mattingly's show about it from a caller, but is Bo even in Central Arkansas?  There was also discussion about hiring Rick Jones as HC the other day.  I think we all know that is ludicrous to think that a P5 team would hire a high school coach to be the head Hog.  However, I have no doubt that Rick Jones, Kevin Kelley, Billy Dawson and a few others would be a great coach at any level, but I also agree they would need to do it as an assistant first before they would be considered hireable.  AD's are putting their jobs on the line when they step out on a limb like that.  Gerry Faust and Todd Dodge make it hard for guys like those to make that jump, but Malzahn, Briles, Graham, Morris, and others have shown that it the jump isn't what it was once thought to be.


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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2017, 02:26:58 pm »
Tell him to take a public school  football job and prove he is genius! Im sure he can make more money than he is now! This would quiet all of us naysayers! Vilonia Monticello and a few others are open right now I promise he wont dominate prove it!!

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2017, 02:28:29 pm »
Tell Kelly to go coach LR Fair and see if he is a genius! This is so funny thinking he can coach at the college levei not punting and onside kicking!
Kelley would turn around Fair very quickly.  Just like Moody has done at McClellan and Bolding at Parkview.

Did Kelley say he would onside kick every time and never punt if he was coaching in college?  I may have missed that article.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2017, 02:44:03 pm »
Yall private school people dont have a clue what goes on in some of these public schools! Some of these kids dont where there next meal will come, parents never come to there games!  Camps and 7on7 tournaments is out of the question no money! No Im not a fool I just know how it is!

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2017, 02:46:17 pm »
Bolding done turned around Parkview they didnt even make the playoffs?

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2017, 03:02:25 pm »
Letís see, all the football talent is at PA in central Arkansas. Everyone knows this, NLR finally won a championship in 7A.

PA aka money bags is a good football program no joke. However, if kelly really wants to test his football mind. Go to a different school and test it. Go to Central, Fair, Marion, Sheridan.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2017, 03:27:07 pm »
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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2017, 03:49:52 pm »
Yall private school people dont have a clue what goes on in some of these public schools! Some of these kids dont where there next meal will come, parents never come to there games!  Camps and 7on7 tournaments is out of the question no money! No Im not a fool I just know how it is!

Now now now, don't start throwing facts around. The PA posters will go crazy on you, the personal insults will follow. Being able to afford summer camps, specialized instruction, workout programs customized by professionals and top notch facilities have no bearing whatsoever on winning. It's all hard work and great coaching. To even bring up such things is simply jealousy.

Just because some high school, football players have to deal with hunger, eviction, unstable home environments, having basic utilities cut-off, lack of transportation, worries of crime, gangs and drugs and lack of parental support are no big deal. PA players have the exact same stress, they have to maintain grades and focus on football. These are things I have been told on these very sites. All the plebs living below the poverty line should all just shut up and accept that PA is better simply because they work harder. 

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2017, 03:58:44 pm »
When (and why) did this get to be a public/private school debate?

It is my opinion that Kelley would do great at any level and at just about any school.  You are welcome to have a different opinion, and I promise you I won't throw insults at you, your school, or anybody else you are associated with in any capacity.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2017, 05:14:30 pm »
When (and why) did this get to be a public/private school debate?

It always becomes the topic with some posters


It is my opinion that Kelley would do great at any level and at just about any school.  You are welcome to have a different opinion, and I promise you I won't throw insults at you, your school, or anybody else you are associated with in any capacity.


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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2017, 06:01:10 pm »
I donít think anyone is denying there is an advantage to being a private school athlete vs. a public school athlete.  However, itís disingenuous to assume every private school athlete is from a wealthy family and that every public school student is from a family on welfare.  Those who are making those suggestions are attempting to exaggerate the situation in order to bring credibility to an otherwise questionable thesis regarding PAs success. 

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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2017, 08:33:33 pm »
When (and why) did this get to be a public/private school debate?

It is my opinion that Kelley would do great at any level and at just about any school.  You are welcome to have a different opinion, and I promise you I won't throw insults at you, your school, or anybody else you are associated with in any capacity.

Kelly is the head football coach at Pulaski Academy, PA is a private school. The reason anyone brought up the private/public point was to point out that some of PA's success can be directly attributed to the advantages they enjoy as a private school. It was germane to the discussion to point out that while PA has excellent coaching, there are other factors involved. That is when and how the private/public issue came up. Just to clarify, PA is a private school, the vast majority of schools they play are pubic schools. Coach Kelly, the topic of this thread, is the head football coach at PA, a private school. 

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2017, 08:34:04 pm »
Greenwood is the most successful high school program in Arkansas for the last decade. PA is number two. Were it not for Rick Jones, Kevin Kelley would be alone at the top as the most successful coach in Arkansas.

One is public, one is private. It is about the coaches in place, not the school type.

We are privileged to experience two of the top coaches in the history of Arkansas football.

When a bunch of college and professional football teams are calling you up to learn from you, you're pretty doggone good.

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« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2017, 08:57:20 pm »
I get amused by those who contribute Coach Kelleyís success to the advantages which PA has.  PA had every one of those advantages before 2001, but had never won a championship and I donít think had ever been in the semifinals.

Kelley came to PA in 2001 as OC and PA immediately became competitive.  He became head coach in 2003 and has won 7 state championships since then.

If any coach could win at PA, why did that not happen before Kelley?

You can criticize him all you want, but the facts speak the truth.

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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2017, 09:15:01 pm »
Kelly is the head football coach at Pulaski Academy, PA is a private school. The reason anyone brought up the private/public point was to point out that some of PA's success can be directly attributed to the advantages they enjoy as a private school. It was germane to the discussion to point out that while PA has excellent coaching, there are other factors involved. That is when and how the private/public issue came up. Just to clarify, PA is a private school, the vast majority of schools they play are pubic schools. Coach Kelly, the topic of this thread, is the head football coach at PA, a private school. 




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Re: Kevin K
« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2017, 09:21:05 pm »
Greenwood is the most successful high school program in Arkansas for the last decade. PA is number two. Were it not for Rick Jones, Kevin Kelley would be alone at the top as the most successful coach in Arkansas.

One is public, one is private. It is about the coaches in place, not the school type.

We are privileged to experience two of the top coaches in the history of Arkansas football.

When a bunch of college and professional football teams are calling you up to learn from you, you're pretty doggone good.

Between these 2 schools in the last 10 seasons, statistically PA would be 1 with Greenwood being 2.  PA 124 wins and 6 State Championships and Greenwood with 115 wins and 4 State Championships over the last 10 seasons.

 

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