Best Defense in 4A

[2horsesANDmydog!]

I think we can all agree that Nashville has (until proven otherwise) the best offense in our classification. The question is, who has the best defense and why? I say PG, what are your thoughts?

[MUFASA #2]

Stuttgart! There gonna shut down Warren Friday night according to Cuckoo!

[prHOG13]

I think either Prairie Grove or Robinson

[Lizard 47]

I know this is gonna draw critics but Dardanelle has fewer points allowed than a lot of teams

[Lizard 47]

PG has some stout D though. Less points allowed than us

[Lizard 47]

Ok, just looked it up. PG is the only 4A team with less points allowed than Dardanelle.

[Mr. Mercer]

Have to factor in competition. Can't technically control who you play but it also helps and can benefit how many points you give up.

[Lizard 47]

This is true, that's why we have playoffs. Always gonna be an exception somewhere. Can't apply math to the human spirit. I'm kinda waiting to see where the next upset comes in.

[2horsesANDmydog!]

PG just may be the most under the radar team in 4-A. Kinda remind me of Boonville in their glory days.

[MUFASA #2]

POINTS ALLOWED THIS SEASON
1. PG 130
2. Dardy 141
3. GOSNELL 143
4. ROBINSON 160
5. PEA RIDGE 177
6. BATESVILLE 182
7. SHILOH 191
8. OZARK 196
9. WARREN 222
10. HAMBURG 235
11. RICEBIRDS 238
12. DUMAS 252
13. GRAVETTE 269
14. HEBER 279
15. NASHVILLE 280

Think that is correct

[Lizard 47]

Nope, Dardanelle sits at 141

[LJ06]

Points scored just for giggles sake

1. Nashville - 616
2. Warren - 490
3. Robinson - 472
4. Prairie Grove - 430
5. Pea Ridge - 429
6. Shiloh Christian - 417
7. Hamburg - 406
8. Pocahontas - 402
9. Dardanelle - 388
10. Dumas - 385

[MUFASA #2]

Nope, Dardanelle sits at 141

my bad fixed it. 141 is a good defense thou.

[MUFASA #2]

Points scored just for giggles sake

1. Nashville - 616
2. Warren - 490
3. Robinson - 472
4. Prairie Grove - 430
5. Pea Ridge - 429
6. Shiloh Christian - 417
7. Hamburg - 406
8. Pocahontas - 402
9. Dardanelle - 388
10. Dumas - 385

616 is salty!

[Youknowwhothisis]

POINTS ALLOWED THIS SEASON
1. PG 130
2. GOSNELL 143
3. ROBINSON 160
4. SHILOH 191
5. WARREN 222
6. HAMBURG 235
7. RICEBIRDS 238
8. DUMAS 252
9. GRAVETTE 269
10. HEBER 279
11. NASHVILLE 280

Think that is correct

Pea Ridge is at 177 Points allowed

[cuckoobird]

Batesville southside has only allowed 182

[Lizard 47]

At some point I would hope that the old "defense wins championships" would be a factor, although Nashville seems determined to prove it wrong. 616 is very salty indeed, will take a tremendous defensive effort to knock them off that perch.

[Little Bear]

Points scored just for giggles sake

1. Nashville - 616
2. Warren - 490
3. Robinson - 472
4. Prairie Grove - 430
5. Pea Ridge - 429
6. Shiloh Christian - 417
7. Hamburg - 406
8. Pocahontas - 402
9. Dardanelle - 388
10. Dumas - 385

This doesn't mean much.   These teams put in backups usually in the 3rd and 4th qtr and run very basic offensive plays out of respect for the other coaches and teams.    I think we all agree that if the 1's played the entire game and tried to score as many points as possible there would be some scores in the hundreds.      IMO Nashville is head and shoulders the best team in 4A     after that you have about 3-4 that are next in line and about 7-8 that are capable on any given Friday night.

[MUFASA #2]

POINTS ALLOWED THIS SEASON
1. PG 130
2. Dardy 141
3. GOSNELL 143
4. ROBINSON 160
5. PEA RIDGE 177
6. BATESVILLE 182
7. SHILOH 191
8. WARREN 222
9. HAMBURG 235
10. RICEBIRDS 238
11. DUMAS 252
12. GRAVETTE 269
13. HEBER 279
14. NASHVILLE 280

Think that is correct

Crazy how Nashville is last, but undefeated and has scored 616 pts this season... That's hard to stop. 

[SouthsideSouthernerDad]

Ozark has only allowed 196

[MUFASA #2]

POINTS ALLOWED THIS SEASON
1. PG 130
2. Dardy 141
3. GOSNELL 143
4. ROBINSON 160
5. PEA RIDGE 177
6. BATESVILLE 182
7. SHILOH 191
8. OZARK 196
9. WARREN 222
10. HAMBURG 235
11. RICEBIRDS 238
12. DUMAS 252
13. GRAVETTE 269
14. CAC 273
15. HEBER 279
16. NASHVILLE 280

[STUNNA]

There are 2 teams that can score with Nashville... but not sure if they can slow them down enough to win though

[Lizard 47]

CAC belongs between gravette and heber. That list is about to be cut in half on Friday though......

[MasterChef]

With all the talk about Nashville's offense being unstoppable and amazing (which it is) you'd have to give Robinson's defense a boost in this best 4-A defense talk. Nashville was number one in the Nation in points scored and Robinson slowed them to 31 points (slowed them lol). They were averaging almost 70 at the time. Robinson also held them to 7 points the entire second half. I'm also almost certain that about 40-50% of the points Robinson has allowed this year has been scored on their second string defense which was playing in a lot of games where the outcome was decided early.

[Lizard 47]

I don't doubt that and hats off to Robinson for their effort at Nashville. Really could have gone the other way right there at the end.

[MUFASA #2]

POINTS ALLOWED THIS SEASON
1. PG 130
2. Dardy 141
3. GOSNELL 143
4. ROBINSON 160
5. PEA RIDGE 177
6. BATESVILLE 182
7. SHILOH 191
8. OZARK 196
9. WARREN 222
10. HAMBURG 235
11. RICEBIRDS 238
12. DUMAS 252
13. GRAVETTE 269
14. CAC 273
15. HEBER 279
16. NASHVILLE 280

[LJ06]

This doesn't mean much.   These teams put in backups usually in the 3rd and 4th qtr and run very basic offensive plays out of respect for the other coaches and teams.    I think we all agree that if the 1's played the entire game and tried to score as many points as possible there would be some scores in the hundreds.      IMO Nashville is head and shoulders the best team in 4A     after that you have about 3-4 that are next in line and about 7-8 that are capable on any given Friday night.

The defensive numbers means about as much. For instance, round 1 Warren was up 42-7 at halftime against Westside. The second string played the second half and Westside scored 16 more points. These factors can skew numbers.

[Lizard 47]

Teams that make it into the playoffs have pretty much all done that. And teams that get mercy ruled early should play their underclassmen in that situation to get some experience for their dismal programs. But I get it, they don't and it skews the stats I agree.

[Made]

would like to see the ratio of how many points allowed vs what their opponents avg points for would be, think the robinson number is more impressive in that they had to play the #1 scoring offense

[Lizard 47]

I'm not denying that, was less than half of Nashville's usual. And a great improvement defensively for y'all compared to the last 2 years for sure

[cuckoobird]

would like to see the ratio of how many points allowed vs what their opponents avg points for would be, think the robinson number is more impressive in that they had to play the #1 scoring offense

you have to look at who the number one scoring offense played the first 3 games as well. The two schools from Arkansas have a combined record of 3-17 giving up an avg of 40 points per game in the absolute weakest division of 5a football which isn't very good anyway except for a few top teams.

[Lizard 47]

Again, that's why we have the playoffs.

[kjjackson]

I look at points allowed versus average points scored. Robinson holds its opponents to half their average points for.

Robinson       +14
Prairie Grove  +13
Gosnell         +12
Batesville SS +12
Shiloh          +11

Not perfect but every negative was knocked out in the first round.

[cuckoobird]

I look at points allowed versus average points scored. Robinson holds its opponents to half their average points for.

Robinson       +14
Prairie Grove  +13
Gosnell         +12
Batesville SS +12
Shiloh          +11

Not perfect but every negative was knocked out in the first round.

nothing is perfect but this makes more sense than most. Although, robinson and Gosnell are playing in conferences with the fewest teams left in the playoffs 

[Lizard 47]

Where does Dardy place using that math?

[kjjackson]

True but they held the offenses in check better than the rest. And you have to look at offense versus defensive averages. Only one negative offense left, Gravette.

[kjjackson]

Dardanelle is at +10 on defense and +9 on offense.

[~WPS~]

Ironically against the best team Nashville has played, Robinson, it was the defense that won the game, and that was with Robinson getting it at midfield most of the time because of onside kicks. Nashville can be good on defense, especially when some guys are playing both ways. How else do you think Robinson was held to a season low 28 points. They are playing much better defense over the last few weeks.

[Scrapwheel]

Who has the best special teams in 4A?

[kjjackson]

I'm surprised Nashville didn't work on that these last two weeks.

[Lizard 47]

Why so many inside kicks vs Robinson? Lol. We would have just booted it through the endzone.

[kjjackson]

Since the Robinson game every team has done it against Nashville. Nashville scores TDS something like 80% of their possessions.

[The Coach]

Who has the best special teams in 4A?

Dardanelle has the best kicker

[~WPS~]

Nashville has onside kicked a lot this year. And a lot of teams have done the same to Nashville. That has something to do with the defense being put in a bad position at times. The offense scores in 1-2 minutes then onside kick. Which I'm not complaining, I'd onside kick everytime, because Nashville believes it's offense will score everytime (which it typically does) so get an extra possession and it makes it that much more difficult on the opponent.

[kjjackson]

I think they should too. At least try it as much as the other team does. I want to say Robinson had five more possessions than Nashville because of them. they had +2 in the first half and +3 in the second.

[~WPS~]

I was surprised Dover didn't onside kick last week. I came into the playoffs expecting every team to do it to try to keep up.

[LJ06]

I was surprised Dover didn't onside kick last week. I came into the playoffs expecting every team to do it to try to keep up.

Teams with a good defense probably won't much. If you do and don't recover, giving Nashville outstanding field position is worst case.

[Lizard 47]

Yeah, if we get to them, we will probably just kick it through the endzone. Guards against a return and gives is some field to position to work with.

[2horsesANDmydog!]

Dardanelle has the best kicker

Hamburg have a pretty good kicker with range and accuracy ....special teams is important during very close games. IMO

[Lizard 47]

Lizards do have the best kicker. And if he doesn't make the end zone and you break it open he will form you up too! Love that guy!