Thoughts? Predictions?
Thought this was done but taking the advice of a couple of posters.
the other thread was from last year.
Yes agreed why I started this one.
Issac Mcbride scores 58 points in a 88-85 loss to Russellville. Baptist this year plays absolutley no defense at all whatesoever. Definitley can see the effects of Coach Ross leaving the program.
Quote from: Bbal789 on December 30, 2018, 12:42:19 am
Baptist this year plays absolutley no defense at all whatesoever. Definitley can see the effects of Coach Ross leaving the program.
You're wrong. They lost a ton of talent, size and experience...that tends to hurt the defense. McBride is the only starter from last year's team.
When you're chalking their lack of defense up to "coaching", remember the current coach has as many titles at Baptist as Coach Ross(who did a great job).
Quote from: 2fe on December 30, 2018, 02:31:14 am
You're wrong. They lost a ton of talent, size and experience...that tends to hurt the defense. McBride is the only starter from last year's team.
When you're chalking their lack of defense up to "coaching", remember the current coach has as many titles at Baptist as Coach Ross(who did a great job).
True I understand that. Sometimes it just seems though that they are lost out there and dont play with much intensity defensively as they did under coach Ross. They are without Daniel Cobb due to injury who was the only returning starter along with Mcbride and he was a very scrappy on ball defender.
Quote from: Bbal789 on December 30, 2018, 12:42:19 am
Issac Mcbride scores 58 points in a 88-85 loss to Russellville. Baptist this year plays absolutley no defense at all whatesoever. Definitley can see the effects of Coach Ross leaving the program.
Are you going to start this half-baked nonsense again this year? Last year you said they were struggling and used a 15 point win over Brookland at their place & a loss to North Little Rock as examples. This year it is a shot clock Tournament 3 point loss to a 5A team at their place.
Sure their D is not as good. They lost three 6'-5" Seniors to graduation and replaced them with two 6'-3" Juniors and a 6'-0" post player. Those guys are all very good defenders though.
"Absolutely no defense" is a senseless cheap shot. You sir, are a hack!
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on December 30, 2018, 02:46:15 pm
Are you going to start this half-baked nonsense again this year? Last year you said they were struggling and used a 15 point win over Brookland at their place & a loss to North Little Rock as examples. This year it is a shot clock Tournament 3 point loss to a 5A team at their place.
Sure their D is not as good. They lost three 6'-5" Seniors to graduation and replaced them with two 6'-3" Juniors and a 6'-0" post player. Those guys are all very good defenders though.
"Absolutely no defense" is a senseless cheap shot. You sir, are a hack!
I have Baptist as the favorites to win it but im also not going to sit hear and listen to everybody talk about them being this unstoppable team that runs through everybody because they for sure arent doing that. Also you call giving up 88 points good defense? Thats not what I thought Baptist's standards were. Last year I gave them a hard time and I shouldn't have because they were legit. This year they are legit to but Im not going to just not talk about their weaknesses which are pretty obvious
Just like last year YOU are the ONLY person I have EVER heard or seen saying they are unstoppable!
Your strawman arguments are juvenile.
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on December 30, 2018, 03:53:44 pm
Just like last year YOU are the ONLY person I have EVER heard or seen saying they are unstoppable!
Your strawman arguments are juvenile.
Well you may be right on that and I guess I should chill out some. Im obviously routing for another team to win it all this year and that team will have to play extremely well in order to beat this team. I obviously hold a different opinion on things about this team and when they struggle,which every team does at some point, I like to call them out but its basically cuz they are at the top and that happens anywhere when a team builds a dynasty like Baptist has.
Quote from: Bbal789 on December 30, 2018, 05:08:30 pm
Well you may be right on that and I guess I should chill out some.Im obviously routing for another team to win it all this year and that team will have to play extremely well in order to beat this team. I obviously hold a different opinion on things about this team and when they struggle,which every team does at some point, I like to call them out but its basically cuz they are at the top and that happens anywhere when a team builds a dynasty like Baptist has.
I knew that was at the heart of it. That or little mans syndrome.
BTW. What team?
Quote from: Bbal789 on December 30, 2018, 12:42:19 am
Issac Mcbride scores 58 points in a 88-85 loss to Russellville. Baptist this year plays absolutley no defense at all whatesoever. Definitley can see the effects of Coach Ross leaving the program.
And Russellville is 5A Prep will be fine.
"absolutely no defense at all whatsoever" netted CAC 11 points in the first half at their place last night! ::)
(Just funning... and NOT intended as a slap at CAC, they are a young, well-coached team that will improve exponentially the next few years.)
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on January 09, 2019, 10:39:42 am
"absolutely no defense at all whatsoever" netted CAC 11 points in the first half at their place last night! ::)
(Just funning... and NOT intended as a slap at CAC, they are a young, well-coached team that will improve exponentially the next few years.)
Who wins is all that matters.
Valley Springs will definitely be in the mix for the title. They have all the pieces and two really good post players. Only fault they might have is they aren't very deep.
Valley Springs record the last 10 years in the Delta, not to good. I don't figure Bruno Pyatt, Fontaine and Zinc will be at Osceola?
Quote from: Head Lion on January 11, 2019, 01:02:20 pm
Valley Springs record the last 10 years in the Delta, not to good. I don't figure Bruno Pyatt, Fontaine and Zinc will be at Osceola?
+1 ;D
I don't realistically see how anyone could like anybody but Baptist Prep to win 3A.
Of course, someone else will get a trip to Hot Springs.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on January 11, 2019, 01:37:24 pm
I don't realistically see how anyone could like anybody but Baptist Prep to win 3A.
Of course, someone else will get a trip to Hot Springs.
what makes you think that?
Quote from: Head Lion on January 11, 2019, 01:02:20 pm
Valley Springs record the last 10 years in the Delta, not to good. I don't figure Bruno Pyatt, Fontaine and Zinc will be at Osceola?
Maybe Valley should toughen their up their schedule, get a couple games against Piggott and Corning?
Who knows how the Regionals and State tourneys will shake out, anything can happen in any given matchup but this years teams, yours and ours, are not last years teams or their teams from 5 years ago, etc. Valley is a solid squad this year, much better than last year.
Good luck and go Tigers.
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 11, 2019, 04:21:15 pm
Maybe Valley should toughen their up their schedule, get a couple games against Piggott and Corning?
Who knows how the Regionals and State tourneys will shake out, anything can happen in any given matchup but this years teams, yours and ours, are not last years teams or their teams from 5 years ago, etc. Valley is a solid squad this year, much better than last year.
Good luck and go Tigers.
Same ole song and dance about Valley. Just can't change my mind until you can prove it in postseason. Good luck the rest of the year and maybe this year will be different.
So Valley has to win their 7th title to be legit to you? Got it.
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 11, 2019, 06:24:21 pm
So Valley has to win their 7th title to be legit to you? Got it.
To lazy to look it up...when was their last one...
96 I believe, been to long. Had some teams capable of winning it all around 2010-2012 If I recall correctly that got to the semis and fell short. My point I guess I'm trying to make is winning the title is hard, doesn't mean Valley, Manilla, Osceola, Tuckerman, Ashdown, etc can't beat BP on any given night but to say or act like Valley this year is an afterthought is a bit obtuse. They have played 19 games away from home so far and lost 1 by 2 to a very good MO team. Beat DC by 20 @DC as well as Warren. Beat Vilonia & Greenbriar as well as Clinton twice all away from home. I'm not going to trash any other teams because I know we can lose to any of the top teams in the state but we can also beat them.
Baptist Prep
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 11, 2019, 06:24:21 pm
So Valley has to win their 7th title to be legit to you? Got it.
No, maybe just not turbo clocked by us like the last 2 years, when the record was 78-2 or whatever. I'm just not drinking the kool aid, yet. Lucky for them, they get to go west for regionals, nothing like answered prayers.🙌🏼
Quote from: Bbal789 on January 11, 2019, 03:04:17 pm
what makes you think that?
Because they have by far the best team in 3A, it will take an injury or a Herculean performance by any 3A team to beat them. Just calling it like I see it.
Quote from: Head Lion on January 11, 2019, 09:34:35 pm
No, maybe just not turbo clocked by us like the last 2 years, when the record was 78-2 or whatever. I'm just not drinking the kool aid, yet. Lucky for them, they get to go west for regionals, nothing like answered prayers.🙌🏼
. Definitely haven't put up much against Manilla the last two years in Regionals, no denying that.
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 11, 2019, 10:07:41 pm
. Definitely haven't put up much against Manilla the last two years in Regionals, no denying that.
I will say what Valley has done, losing Jenkins, is impressive. 👍🏼
Quote from: Head Lion on January 11, 2019, 10:35:25 pm
I will say what Valley has done, losing Jenkins, is impressive. 👍🏼
Great game by the Lions Head Lions
Quote from: Head Lion on January 11, 2019, 09:45:02 pm
Because they have by far the best team in 3A, it will take an injury or a Herculean performance by any 3A team to beat them. Just calling it like I see it.
No doubt the team to beat but they are beatable if you execute a great game plan.
Quote from: ISU7 on January 11, 2019, 10:59:31 pm
Great game by the Lions Head Lions
Thanks, looked like you been taking care of yourself. 👍🏼
Quote from: Bbal789 on January 11, 2019, 03:04:17 pm
what makes you think that?
1. Because I have seen them play and they looked like an outstanding 3A team
2. I think they are a 2 time 4A state champ dropping down.
3. They will have by far the best player on the floor each and every game and the supporting cast is solid.
It'll all come out in the wash at Osceola early March.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on January 12, 2019, 07:30:46 am
1. Because I have seen them play and they looked like an outstanding 3A team
2. I think they are a2 time 4A state champ dropping down.
3. They will have by far the best player on the floor each and every game and the supporting cast is solid.
It'll all come out in the wash at Osceola early March.
3 in a row
My mistake
Quote from: Head Lion on January 12, 2019, 03:18:34 am
Thanks, looked like you been taking care of yourself. 👍🏼
Don't let the look fool ya bro, but I certainly try Same too you.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on January 12, 2019, 07:30:46 am
1. Because I have seen them play and they looked like an outstanding 3A team
2. I think they are a 2 time 4A state champ dropping down.
3. They will have by far the best player on the floor each and every game and the supporting cast is solid.
It'll all come out in the wash at Osceola early March.
+1 Im going with Baptist Prep. My daughter is a student there and a member of the girls softball team.
It's wide open I think. Prep probably stands the best chance but a Tuckerman, Manila, Osceola, Trumann, Drew Central, Harding Academy can all beat anyone on any given night.
Only northeast Arkansas teams? Booneville, Fountain Lake, Jessieville or Perryville can do the same.
Quote from: Bbal789 on January 12, 2019, 12:25:10 am
No doubt the team to beat but they are beatable if you execute a great game plan.
what makes you think that ?
When is the last time a 3A team with a legit D1 player didn't win it all?
How many legit D1 players have come out of 3a?
Baptist are clear favorites this year, but I'm not familiar enough with the 3A to know who stands a chance with them. The teams who have competed well with Baptist (1) have multiple very athletic players who can run the floor extremely well and tire McBride, (2) score more than 70 points on a regular basis and (3) have size on the inside.
This Baptist team is weaker than years past, but McBride is the best player in the state regardless of classification. I feel they would be up for a challenge in 4A, but 3A doesn't seem to be as tough. I'm not sure how the 3A Central conference compares to the rest of the state (hopefully you can enlighten me) but Baptist have beaten everyone there with ease.
Let me know what teams you think meet those three criteria I mentioned earlier and those are your state title contenders alongside Baptist.
With the way the Noles defense was tonight they was all over us smothering
Quote from: biglion1985 on January 13, 2019, 12:49:01 am
With the way the Noles defense was tonight they was all over us smothering
Turnovers played a big role tonight
Quote from: biglion1985 on January 13, 2019, 12:49:01 am
With the way the Noles defense was tonight they was all over us smothering
I told several Lions fans Friday night vs RiverCrest to enjoy getting those phantom foul calls in Manila because Saturday night Osceola will play in your jersey defense and the Lions wont get those bailout calls they were getting at home vs Crest. I was so right. ;D 8) Not taking anything away from Manila they are a pretty good 3A team. 8)
Quote from: eaglefan200 on January 12, 2019, 10:37:44 pm
Baptist are clear favorites this year, but I'm not familiar enough with the 3A to know who stands a chance with them. The teams who have competed well with Baptist (1) have multiple very athletic players who can run the floor extremely well and tire McBride, (2) score more than 70 points on a regular basis and (3) have size on the inside.
This Baptist team is weaker than years past, but McBride is the best player in the state regardless of classification. I feel they would be up for a challenge in 4A, but 3A doesn't seem to be as tough. I'm not sure how the 3A Central conference compares to the rest of the state (hopefully you can enlighten me) but Baptist have beaten everyone there with ease.
Let me know what teams you think meet those three criteria I mentioned earlier and those are your state title contenders alongside Baptist.
Valley Springs has all 3
The last team to win in March!
Quote from: teachers pet on January 12, 2019, 01:49:08 pm
Only northeast Arkansas teams? Booneville, Fountain Lake, Jessieville or Perryville can do the same.
Any team can get hot and win it. The teams that I named are teams that are from Northeast Arkansas because the tournament is at Osceola and the Northeast teams will have the advantages on fans.
Quote from: officialvsfan on January 13, 2019, 08:02:11 am
Valley Springs has all 3
Valley is not deep enough to tire McBride even if they were athletic enough to stay with him.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 12, 2019, 09:55:03 pm
How many legit D1 players have come out of 3a?
Austin Reeves. Before him in the 2A/3A levels Ky Madden, James Anderson. Not sure before that.
Quote from: officialvsfan on January 13, 2019, 08:02:11 am
Valley Springs has all 3
remains to be seen. Watching film or witnessing a game in person is a whole lot different than being between the lines having to stop him. Isaac is as unguardable a player as I've seen in high school.
ISU7 you are right but we as a team have to hit our free throws we missed at least 10-15 of them Saturday night hats off to Osceola
Quote from: biglion1985 on January 13, 2019, 10:39:03 pm
ISU7 you are right but we as a team have to hit our free throws we missed at least 10-15 of them Saturday night hats off to Osceola
10 to 15 misses? Whoa! How many fouls were called on Osceola?
Quote from: biglion1985 on January 13, 2019, 10:39:03 pm
ISU7 you are right but we as a team have to hit our free throws we missed at least 10-15 of them Saturday night hats off to Osceola
Osceola was 18 for 26 from the free throw line
Quote from: 501Arkansas on January 14, 2019, 09:10:11 am
Osceola was 18 for 26 from the free throw line
[/quote That's just shy of 70%, which is not really too bad for a team average.
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 14, 2019, 11:50:57 am
Quote from: 501Arkansas on January 14, 2019, 09:10:11 am
Osceola was 18 for 26 from the free throw line
[/quote That's just shy of 70%, which is not really too bad for a team average.
Yeah I know it was our best free Throw shooting night that night
Quote from: 501Arkansas on January 14, 2019, 12:12:15 pm
Yeah I know it was our best free Throw shooting night that night
501, back in the dark ages when I was in high school, we had a single player who made 26 of 28 free throws in a single game.
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 14, 2019, 04:09:39 pm
501, back in the dark ages when I was in high school, we had a single player who made 26 of 28 free throws in a single game.
Wow!!!
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 14, 2019, 04:09:39 pm
501, back in the dark ages when I was in high school, we had a single player who made 26 of 28 free throws in a single game.
Refs had too love that guy. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ISU7 on January 15, 2019, 10:59:28 am
Refs had too love that guy. ;D ;D ;D
I don't know about that, but they officials weren't as reluctant to blow the whistle back then. They tolerated a lot less contact.
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 15, 2019, 01:15:54 pm
I don't know about that, but they officials weren't as reluctant to blow the whistle back then. They tolerated a lot less contact.
And a lot less mouth!
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 15, 2019, 01:15:54 pm
I don't know about that, but they officials weren't as reluctant to blow the whistle back then. They tolerated a lot less contact.
You get a ref to call it that way now and the crowd is ready to jump him in the parking lot 🤷
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 14, 2019, 04:09:39 pm
501, back in the dark ages when I was in high school, we had a single player who made 26 of 28 free throws in a single game.
Almost sounds like a BIC player, circa mid-00's, from how many times he was able to get to the line.
Girls:
Ctown
Hoxie
Mtn View
Seem to be way above the pack.
Charleston besides russellville is killing everyone!
Did I see that Valley Springs lost to Bergman?
Quote from: Ctucker on January 16, 2019, 10:21:10 am
Did I see that Valley Springs lost to Bergman?
yeah, but they got all 3
Quote from: LRRandy on January 16, 2019, 10:35:14 am
yeah, but they got all 3
That's what I was thinking!lol
Quote from: Hitman Warrior23 on November 27, 2018, 12:32:59 pm
Thoughts? Predictions?
Thought this was done but taking the advice of a couple of posters.
Charleston wins boys and girls.
Quote from: nastynice on January 16, 2019, 09:00:30 pm
Charleston wins boys and girls.
Ross winning a title? lol good one
Quote from: Longfellow on January 16, 2019, 10:18:57 pm
Ross winning a title? lol good one
Ross has a title: Mr. Arrogant
Quote from: LRRandy on January 16, 2019, 10:35:14 am
yeah, but they got all 3
The part that made me laugh the most is when he used Valley Springs and athletes in the same sentence....
These 3A people will see what happened last year in 4A. When regionals and especially state gets here the atmosphere, intensity, and meaning of the games get amped up X 100 ........ Special players take over in those moments who have that certain "it factor" and McBride has that. Not really even taking about the physical skills either. I am taking about what's in between someone's ears and how they handle pressure packed moments. It does not matter who is on the court with him, no one in this state can get on his level when all the marbles are on the line.
Quote from: beach bum on January 17, 2019, 09:25:52 am
These 3A people will see what happened last year in 4A. When regionals and especially state gets here the atmosphere, intensity, and meaning of the games get amped up X 100 ........ Special players take over in those moments who have that certain "it factor" and McBride has that. Not really even taking about the physical skills either. I am taking about what's in between someone's ears and how they handle pressure packed moments. It does not matter who is on the court with him, no one in this state can get on his level when all the marbles are on the line.
having watched him since third grade it's easy to take his skill level for granted. I'm just trying to enjoy watching him this last season before he moves on to bigger things. He is the total package. A friendly, humble, engaging young man. His rock star status could go to his head but I have seen him over and over stop to talk to the elementary kids that come up to him. He has even gone to elementary games on Saturday mornings to show support. On the court he is a fierce competitor. You can see the boys on the other team amped up to stop him at the start of the game. Someone guarding him falls down every game when he " breaks their ankles", some games more than once. Teams have tried to get rough. He was shoved in the back after the whistle while a step oit of bounds at Glen Rose the other night ( class move #10 ) and he just shrugged and went on about his game. He doesn't trash talk or taunt. When he shows emotion it's to fire himself or teammates up. I recommend to anyone that has a chance to get out to see him play to do so before the opportunity passes.
You shut McBride down, you beat Prep.
Good luck doing it though.
He is a good one!
Quote from: LRRandy on January 17, 2019, 09:53:16 am
having watched him since third grade it's easy to take his skill level for granted. I'm just trying to enjoy watching him this last season before he moves on to bigger things. He is the total package. A friendly, humble, engaging young man. His rock star status could go to his head but I have seen him over and over stop to talk to the elementary kids that come up to him. He has even gone to elementary games on Saturday mornings to show support. On the court he is a fierce competitor. You can see the boys on the other team amped up to stop him at the start of the game. Someone guarding him falls down every game when he " breaks their ankles", some games more than once. Teams have tried to get rough. He was shoved in the back after the whistle while a step oit of bounds at Glen Rose the other night ( class move #10 ) and he just shrugged and went on about his game. He doesn't trash talk or taunt. When he shows emotion it's to fire himself or teammates up. I recommend to anyone that has a chance to get out to see him play to do so before the opportunity passes.
. Sounds like a quality young man! I wish he was going to be a Razorback but I wish him all the luck in the world at Kansas!
Quote from: CoachH on January 17, 2019, 09:54:21 am
You shut McBride down, you beat Prep.
Good luck doing it though.
He is a good one!
Baptist is more than McBride (although he is something very special). Not saying they are a lock by any means but they have a strong supporting cast and will not be out coached by anyone (Miller gets the most from every kid he coaches and no one is going to outwork him).
Quote from: Ctucker on January 17, 2019, 11:20:06 am
. Sounds like a quality young man! I wish he was going to be a Razorback but I wish him all the luck in the world at Kansas!
you know, he really is. In regards to Arkansas it was kind of an imperfect storm. Mike Anderson was at a few games early in Isaacs career ( looking at Connor ) but scholarship limitations and the political offer to Fitz Hill's son ( who I think ends up playing more football than basketball at UA) coupled with Isaac being good but not exploding on the national scene until the summer before his senior year, meant by the time an offer came Isaac had moved on to much greener pastures. I would have enjoyed him playing in Fayetteville but am excited for him and his opportunity to play at a true blue blood program.
Quote from: eagle1 on January 17, 2019, 11:52:55 am
Baptist is more than McBride (although he is something very special). Not saying they are a lock by any means but they have a strong supporting cast and will not be out coached by anyone (Miller gets the most from every kid he coaches and no one is going to outwork him).
Very true.
I hate to tell everyone but I have this feeling that this year you are going to see a team that is a true "4A" team win the "3A" state basketball!!
That is really gonna suck!!
Quote from: Ralphina on January 17, 2019, 01:30:07 pm
I hate to tell everyone but I have this feeling that this year you are going to see a team that is a true "4A" team win the "3A" state basketball!!
That is really gonna suck!!
How are they a true 4a school?
Quote from: Ralphina on January 17, 2019, 01:30:07 pm
I hate to tell everyone but I have this feeling that this year you are going to see a team that is a true "4A" team win the "3A" state basketball!!
That is really gonna suck!!
What does this even mean????
Preps enrollment is 711 i think that's 2a numbers or very small 3a numbers
I just checked are enrollment at WCC which is 2a and we have 712 they have 711 so how are they 4a?
Well you have two teams like Ashdown and Central, who are listed as 4A classification and are two good teams that will make a run at the state tournament. They may not win but they will have a chance. Point here is that they are not 3A teams and shouldnt be playing in the 3A period!!
Quote from: Ralphina on January 17, 2019, 01:44:23 pm
Well you have two teams like Ashdown and Central, who are listed as 4A classification and are two good teams that will make a run at the state tournament. They may not win but they will have a chance. Point here is that they are not 3A teams and shouldnt be playing in the 3A period!!
Babtist Prep should be 3a by the equalizer they come up with private schools play down one class but nice try!
Quote from: Ctucker on January 17, 2019, 02:01:09 pm
Babtist Prep should be 3a by the equalizer they come up with private schools play down one class but nice try!
Up one class lol
Quote from: Ralphina on January 17, 2019, 01:44:23 pm
Well you have two teams like Ashdown and Central, who are listed as 4A classification and are two good teams that will make a run at the state tournament. They may not win but they will have a chance. Point here is that they are not 3A teams and shouldnt be playing in the 3A period!!
Point is every sport but football is classified by the way you're saying is right 😂🤷
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 17, 2019, 02:12:08 pm
Up one class lol
Point is every sport but football is classified by the way you're saying is right 😂🤷
yes my bad up one thanks HF
Look where most of these schools are. Trumann, Gosnell & Rivercrest all in the 3A3. Pretty much no one got a worse shaft than Manila. Take the fact, they removed our "Bye" in the Regionals, pretty much sucks. We just got to man up & get it done.
Quote from: Hitman Warrior23 on January 16, 2019, 10:13:13 am
Girls:
Ctown
Hoxie
Mtn View
Seem to be way above the pack.
Charleston besides russellville is killing everyone!
Worst part is that Charleston led Russellville by 12 most of the way and faded at the end.
Quote from: Head Lion on January 17, 2019, 04:13:50 pm
Look where most of these schools are. Trumann, Gosnell & Rivercrest all in the 3A3. Pretty much no one got a worse shaft than Manila. Take the fact, they removed our "Bye" in the Regionals, pretty much sucks. We just got to man up & get it done.
It helps tho that they are all down this year so it's basically just Osceola to deal with
Quote from: baller334 on January 17, 2019, 08:37:44 pm
It helps tho that they are all down this year so it's basically just Osceola to deal with
I wouldn't call Trumann down & Brown can "go off" on any team. Just saying 3 of the top 7 in enrollment numbers are in same conference.
Quote from: KcSchoolem on January 17, 2019, 07:54:03 pm
Worst part is that Charleston led Russellville by 12 most of the way and faded at the end.
I call those type of losses season building losses.
Quote from: Head Lion on January 17, 2019, 09:53:44 pm
I wouldn't call Trumann down & Brown can "go off" on any team. Just saying 3 of the top 7 in enrollment numbers are in same conference.
I agree Brown can be dangerous but he's not more times than he is. Trumann is so hit and miss so I really think the conference is just Manila and Osceolas to take. I do however see what your saying on the numbers but you have to admit this conference is way down from the past.
Noles and lions have been running the table in the conference last couple years now. It'll be the same this year. Reminds me of Osceola and Jonesboro westside when we where in 4a. Use to be some fun battles against westside. Love to see Manila and Osceola play now. Has been good so far
Quote from: LRRandy on January 17, 2019, 09:53:16 am
Teams have tried to get rough. He was shoved in the back after the whistle while a step oit of bounds at Glen Rose the other night ( class move #10 ) and he just shrugged and went on about his game.
Glen Rose has a very good team and the possibility of having a great season, if they focus on basketball and don't let the punk mentality and Glen Rose reputation bite them on the backside. I watched that incident again on video, and it is worthy of reporting to the authorities (shoved for about 15 feet thru the cheerleaders and all the way to the wall), as were the back-to-back fouls that were deemed to be "on the floor" non-shooting fouls. That 2 to 3 minute sequence in the game was beyond ridiculous.
But hey, water off a duck's back, huh? 8)
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on January 18, 2019, 09:34:41 am
Glen Rose has a very good team and the possibility of having a great season, if they focus on basketball and don't let the punk mentality and Glen Rose reputation bite them on the backside. I watched that incident again on video, and it is worthy of reporting to the authorities (shoved for about 15 feet thru the cheerleaders and all the way to the wall), as were the back-to-back fouls that were deemed to be "on the floor" non-shooting fouls. That 2 to 3 minute sequence in the game was beyond ridiculous.
But hey, water off a duck's back, huh? 8)
that's where Isaac's character shines through. He was unflappable ( pun intended ). He went about his business of leading his team from a tight 2 point game to up 18 points in a blink of an eye. All without letting the other team drag him down to their level.
After a second win over Tuckerman (now 25-3) on Thursday night, Harding Academy must be considered a legitimate candidate. Especially since they haven't last to anyone lower than 4A all season.
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 19, 2019, 11:11:05 am
After a second win over Tuckerman (now 25-3) on Thursday night, Harding Academy must be considered a legitimate candidate. Especially since they haven't last to anyone lower than 4A all season.
I would agree!
Quote from: CoolBreeze on January 19, 2019, 11:11:05 am
After a second win over Tuckerman (now 25-3) on Thursday night, Harding Academy must be considered a legitimate candidate. Especially since they haven't last to anyone lower than 4A all season.
Without a doubt a contender. The addition of Patterson from Southside made them a 10 point better team than last year.
Always helps to bring in a difference maker like Patterson.
Quote from: 501Arkansas on January 18, 2019, 08:53:34 am
Noles and lions have been running the table in the conference last couple years now. It'll be the same this year. Reminds me of Osceola and Jonesboro westside when we where in 4a. Use to be some fun battles against westside. Love to see Manila and Osceola play now. Has been good so far
Running the conference is cool but winning it all is better and no team in this county have won it all since 2010-2011 and thats the school off I-55 exit 41. So lets step up a notch fellows... ;D 8)
Quote from: Head Lion on January 17, 2019, 09:53:44 pm
I wouldn't call Trumann down & Brown can "go off" on any team. Just saying 3 of the top 7 in enrollment numbers are in same conference.
Listen too Head Lion the guy knows basketball and the Chicago Cubs. ;D BTW last night at Osceola , Crest D. Brown 21 pts 15 rebs 10 assts. player of the game. Nice call Head Lion.
Quote from: Fatbackhawgballz on January 12, 2019, 01:27:47 pm
It's wide open I think. Prep probably stands the best chance but a Tuckerman, Manila, Osceola, Trumann, Drew Central, Harding Academy can all beat anyone on any given night.
Even thought Crest has beat Osceola twice huh! 8)
Quote from: ISU7 on January 23, 2019, 10:06:43 am
Listen too Head Lion the guy knows basketball and the Chicago Cubs. ;D BTW last night at Osceola , Crest D. Brown 21 pts 15 rebs 10 assts. player of the game. Nice call Head Lion.
Anyone who underestimates this young mans ability to take over a game, do so at your own peril.
Quote from: ISU7 on January 23, 2019, 10:33:49 am
Even thought Crest has been Osceola twice huh! 8)
There's no doubt Rivercrest is talented enough to beat anyone on any given night. To make a run at the title though requires a level of consistency they haven't showed.
Quote from: Fatbackhawgballz on January 23, 2019, 12:30:43 pm
There's no doubt Rivercrest is talented enough to beat anyone on any given night. To make a run at the title though requires a level of consistency they haven't showed.
And that consistency is needed in the postseason tourneys. 8) so far the only team on that list with any kid of consistency is Manila and B. Prep. 8)
From what I have seen Booneville also has been doing pretty good
Quote from: biglion1985 on January 26, 2019, 10:33:02 am
From what I have seen Booneville also has been doing pretty good
I'm really curious to see them play.
True, but they barely beat Jessieville and Fountain Lake.
I am just going by what I seen on maxpreps
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 11, 2019, 07:06:03 pm
To lazy to look it up...when was their last one...
A lot more recent than Manila's lol
Quote from: teachers pet on January 26, 2019, 10:52:26 am
True, but they barely beat Jessieville and Fountain Lake.
Yes both games against Jessieville were close. The first game against Jessieville, Booneville was without 2 of their big men (6'6" out due to a collapsed lung and having to have surgery, 6'9" out due to an enlarged Spleen from an illness) during the first game. The 2nd game was at Jessieville which is a tough team to play in their home gym.
Booneville beat Fountain Lake by 15pts the first time they played. Booneville traveled to Fountain Lake Thursday night and won by 3pts. Fountain Lake was 18-4 and in 2nd place in the conference. So to say Booneville barely beat these teams shouldn't be the judgment of how good Booneville is this season. If that is the case then I bet if you look at other teams around the state then the same can be said about them. Maybe this should be thrown into the equation. Booneville has beat Waldron twice this year as well, once by 4 pts and once by 13pts along with holding Peyton Brown to 12 pts in one of those games. Or how about that Booneville beat Class AA #4 ranked (Maxpreps) Lavaca by 34pts. So lets look at what Booneville has done throughout the season rather than judging them over a couple of games especially if you haven't seen them play.
I guess what I tried to say not very well is Booneville is a very good team, maybe the 3A-4 is a lot stronger than people realize.
Quote from: ISU7 on January 26, 2019, 08:39:31 am
And that consistency is needed in the postseason tourneys. 8) so far the only team on that list with any kid of consistency is Manila and B. Prep. 8)
What about Tuckerman? They're 27-3 on the year. They've lost twice to Harding Academy by 5 and 7 points. Harding Academy in my honest opinion is the best team at this moment in 3A2 or 3A3. The other loss came to Trumann at Trumann in a 2 point game. Trumann is like Rivercrest all over the board.
Quote from: Fatbackhawgballz on January 27, 2019, 08:18:31 am
What about Tuckerman? They're 27-3 on the year. They've lost twice to Harding Academy by 5 and 7 points. Harding Academy in my honest opinion is the best team at this moment in 3A2 or 3A3. The other loss came to Trumann at Trumann in a 2 point game. Trumann is like Rivercrest all over the board.
In 3a right now I would say 1Prep 2 HA 3 Manila 4 Tuckerman
Quote from: Ctucker on January 27, 2019, 09:22:57 am
In 3a right now I would say 1Prep 2 HA 3 Manila 4 Tuckerman
I'd reverse Tuckerman and Manila. I watched Tuckerman post a solid win against Manila in the NEA tourney.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on January 27, 2019, 09:46:37 am
I'd reverse Tuckerman and Manila. I watched Tuckerman post a solid win against Manila in the NEA tourney.
yea, but that was under the curse of the NEA & Convo Center. 😫
The NEA game was a good game. I have to admit it's the only time I've watched Manila play. So I can't say that it would be the same result every time. I did feel like Manila played a good game. I do agree with Prep being 1 and HA being 2. I would say that in no certain order Tuckerman, Manila, and Booneville round out the top 5. I think Valley Springs will check out early.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on January 27, 2019, 09:46:37 am
I'd reverse Tuckerman and Manila. I watched Tuckerman post a solid win against Manila in the NEA tourney.
I would buy that reasoning! I still say Prep will win it but I think it's not going to be as easy as I once thought!
It's going to be hard for Valley to win outside of Valley.
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on January 28, 2019, 10:11:41 am
It's going to be hard for Valley to win outside of Valley.
19-2 "outside of Valley" does not help make your point. Could you be more specific about what you mean by this?
I hate to be a realist and a stick in the mud, but barring injury or a NC State vs Houston, Villanova vs Georgetown game, we are all playing for 2nd place. I have seen Baptist, feel like HA, Tuckerman & Manila of the teams I have seen can hang. When it gets crutch time, it will take a herculean effort to overcome McBride and company. Just keeping it real, sucks.
You may be a realist but you are right on point Head Lion. McBride is on a completely different level!!!
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on January 28, 2019, 10:43:50 am
19-2 "outside of Valley" does not help make your point. Could you be more specific about what you mean by this?
I have a better chance at scoring with Jennifer Love Hewitt than Valley does of making it past 2nd round of state tournament. Fact!
Quote from: Head Lion on January 28, 2019, 03:34:01 pm
I have a better chance at scoring with Jennifer Love Hewitt than Valley does of making it past 2nd round of state tournament. Fact!
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Just wondering how many Valley games you've watched this season?
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 28, 2019, 07:44:48 pm
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Just wondering how many Valley games you've watched this season?
I know the last 3 times they played the Lions it was TURBO clock. 🤷🏼♂️
Quote from: Head Lion on January 28, 2019, 08:26:09 pm
I know the last 3 times they played the Lions it was TURBO clock. 🤷🏼♂️
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So none. Tell me Nostradamus, will Manilla be in Hot Springs in the end?
And btw, don't sell yourself short, you might have a decent shot with JLH, gotta have confidence in yourself brother.
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 28, 2019, 08:40:16 pm
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So none. Tell me Nostradamus, will Manilla be in Hot Springs in the end?
And btw, don't sell yourself short, you might have a decent shot with JLH, gotta have confidence in yourself brother.
I think we are top 6-8 team. It just seems Valley always runs up a big regular season record against a very weak conference & 1&2A schools. Best of luck to the Tigers, I know they love their hoops. ✌🏼
Quote from: Head Lion on January 28, 2019, 09:05:27 pm
I think we are top 6-8 team. It just seems Valley always runs up a big regular season record against a very weak conference & 1&2A schools. Best of luck to the Tigers, I know they love their hoops. ✌🏼
I couldn't agree more. I'd say the same about Valley this year. Not the previous couple years. Best of luck to the Lions and maybe a cold shooting night if we see you guys in State. 😂
Valley's conference is definitely weak on the boys side this year and they have also played a lot of 1A and 2A schools in the non-conference. They have a good team but I don't see them going very far in the state tournament. They just haven't played many teams that have enough length to match up with them. That won't be the case in the tournament. Also, they don't seem to have a lot of depth.
And don't kid yourself, they have a distinct advantage when playing at home. I heard that they only got called for two fouls the entire game against Marshall last week. I've never even heard of a team only getting two fouls in a game.
Quote from: Ball Hog on January 29, 2019, 08:28:12 am
Valley's conference is definitely weak on the boys side this year and they have also played a lot of 1A and 2A schools in the non-conference. They have a good team but I don't see them going very far in the state tournament. They just haven't played many teams that have enough length to match up with them. That won't be the case in the tournament. Also, they don't seem to have a lot of depth.
And don't kid yourself, they have a distinct advantage when playing at home. I heard that they only got called for two fouls the entire game against Marshall last week. I've never even heard of a team only getting two fouls in a game.
I was at the Marshall game and it's possible in 1 half they had 2 fouls called against Valley, probably the 1st half. Marshall held the ball at near 1/2 court for a couple minutes and then only attempted 3's the rest of the 1st qtr. They were even more perimeter oriented in the 2nd quarter, absolutely nothing going to the rim or dribble drives at all. It's hard to get a team to foul you if all that team does is pass it around the perimeter and shoot deep threes.
The conf is down a bit from pervious years, I agree there. As far as having an advantage of playing at home, I would hope so. Depth being a possible issue is spot on, that is the one thing that worries me.
Valley has played a good amount of 1a (#4,#9,#10) and 2a (#8) teams due to proximity but have also traveled a lot to play 4 and 5 a teams and they've won all of those games away vs 4a and 5a teams. They've only played 9 out of 30 games at Valley.
Valley may get bounced in the 1st round of state or they might make a run, hard to say until you see the matchup each round.
That is definitely true!! It all depends on who gets upset or doesn't get upset in Regionals that has a lot to do with how far a team goes in state.
Lots of good discussion but no recent mention of Ashdown, who is ranked #2 on MaxPreps at present.
Anyone will have to bring it if they draw the Panthers. Baptist beat them by 13 in the 4A State Tournament last year... but it was a competitive game, and Baptist had a lot more size last year.
Personally, I would give my FULL attention to every team in the Top 25 right now.
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on January 29, 2019, 01:10:49 pm
Lots of good discussion but no recent mention of Ashdown, who is ranked #2 on MaxPreps at present.
Anyone will have to bring it if they draw the Panthers. Baptist beat them by 13 in the 4A State Tournament last year... but it was a competitive game, and Baptist had a lot more size last year.
Personally, I would give my FULL attention to every team in the Top 25 right now.
I watched Ashdown lose to Harrison by 1 in their tourney earlier this year. Ashdown is a quality ballclub for sure, play that game on a neutral floor and the outcome would probably be different. That was the only time I've seen them so I'm sure they've improved.
Prescott played them on Friday and lost to them by one point in overtime. Very good team. Actually, both teams are pretty good. I sure wouldn't sleep on them. I also hear that Drew Central and Central( Helena-West Helena) are pretty good too!
Quote from: RamblinRazorWreck on January 29, 2019, 01:10:49 pm
Lots of good discussion but no recent mention of Ashdown, who is ranked #2 on MaxPreps at present.
Anyone will have to bring it if they draw the Panthers. Baptist beat them by 13 in the 4A State Tournament last year... but it was a competitive game, and Baptist had a lot more size last year.
Personally, I would give my FULL attention to every team in the Top 25 right now.
Friday's close game against Prescott was good for Ashdown. They have been blowing everyone out lately and got awful relaxed I think. Prescott has some good athletes. Anyone that draws Ashdown in the tournament better be ready, they are fast and athletic with some very good shooters. They have a few players with pretty good size. One of the better ball handlers and shooters is just getting healthy again and played well Friday. He hadn't played much since the Harrison tournament.
Valley won't even win their district most likely, gotta get past Clinton a third time and the first two were close games and district is at Clinton. Bergman also.
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on January 30, 2019, 03:51:21 pm
Valley won't even win their district most likely, gotta get past Clinton a third time and the first two were close games and district is at Clinton. Bergman also.
Valley has already beaten Clinton 3 times, twice at Clinton outside of another 2/31 from 3 and missing 10 free throw game against Bergman, I like our chances. Good luck to your team. Go Tigers.
Quote from: KellyGreen on January 30, 2019, 04:28:02 pm
Valley has already beaten Clinton 3 times, twice at Clinton outside of another 2/31 from 3 and missing 10 free throw game against Bergman, I like our chances. Good luck to your team. Go Tigers.
2/31 from 3....Does Valley not have an option inside the arc? Cause at a point ya gotta accept that the 3 ball isn't going in
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 30, 2019, 05:09:43 pm
2/31 from 3....Does Valley not have an option inside the arc? Cause at a point ya gotta accept that the 3 ball isn't going in
It was a bad bad bad game all around. But yes, their strength is their post players. I'm trying to block that horrendous game out of my memory. Coach should have told them no more 3's regardless if they were open or not cause they couldn't throw it in the ocean that night.
Y'all know them West Helena Cougars fixna do their thang....Don't y'all forget about em
Quote from: Danold Dump on January 31, 2019, 01:34:21 pm
Y'all know them West Helena Cougars fixna do their thang....Don't y'all forget about em
last time I heard that was at the final four in Malvern. The clock ran the whole 4th quarter. Not in Centrals favor.
Harding Academy proved Tuesday night that they are not invincible. Patterson had an outstanding good game. The others not so much. Bald Knob out hustled them and got the majority of the 50/50 balls. And the Wildcats could not stop Smithson, the Bulldog's 6' 6" guard.
Athough HA led for almost all of the first half, BK made a last second shot and took a 1-point lead into the locker room. The Bulldogs added to their lead at the start of the 2nd half but never managed to get it beyond single digits. Every time the Wildcats surged a bit, BK increased their lead again. Finally with about a minute to go, Patterson made two free throws to tie the game. They got the stop and took their first lead of the second half at 56-54 with only seconds to go. BK threw away the inbound pass, and the Wildcats survived.
Although HA did get the W, they could easily have lost to a good, but not great, team. They had better take care lest that happen in the tournament.
Jasper 57 Valley 53 🤷🤷
Won't be Valley Springs, they can't even beat middle of the pack 1A teams
Quote from: FoxandHound34 on February 01, 2019, 09:49:15 pm
Won't be Valley Springs, they can't even beat middle of the pack 1A teams
+1
I guess they needed this one to be at Valley. 😂
Wonder what they're gonna do when they have to travel for regionals or state? Osceola sure won't take pity on them
Quote from: FoxandHound34 on February 01, 2019, 09:49:15 pm
Won't be Valley Springs, they can't even beat middle of the pack 1A teams
I would imagine their fan base is done posting here for the season.
Quote from: LRRandy on February 02, 2019, 09:44:15 am
I would imagine their fan base is done posting here for the season.
If they're like fans of certain football teams, they'll have all kinds of alibis. Maybe the dog ate their gym shoes and they had to play barefoot.
Probably too cold in the gym for the shooters coolbreeze lol
Quote from: LRRandy on February 02, 2019, 09:44:15 am
I would imagine their fan base is done posting here for the season.
I think they'll be back if they win district
Who would they have to beat in the regionals?
Thier guards are getting too greedy. They have a great post prescience but they keep shooting 3's instead of going inside and shooting themselves out of the game.
Quote from: CoolBreeze on February 02, 2019, 12:09:55 pm
Who would they have to beat in the regionals?
Charleston, Waldron, & Lincoln is top 3 of other district I believe
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 02, 2019, 12:21:26 pm
Charleston, Waldron, & Lincoln is top 3 of other district I believe
Actually it is Charleston, Elkins, Waldron and West Fork in that order. Lincoln is currently in 5th place.
Quote from: bobcats on February 02, 2019, 03:37:10 pm
Actually it is Charleston, Elkins, Waldron and West Fork in that order. Lincoln is currently in 5th place.
I had Elkins in there instead of Lincoln....and changed my mind, thanks for the correction
Charleston @ Elkins game this coming week will decide the conference champion probably. Unless Elkins loses to Waldron, then it just might decide it.
Looked it up....And I was thinking Lincoln because their girls are 10-2
Won't be Booneville 😂😂 County Line took them out tonight!
Elkins beat Charleston tonight
Quote from: FoxandHound34 on February 01, 2019, 09:49:15 pm
Won't be Valley Springs, they can't even beat middle of the pack 1A teams
Steve Lynch owns VS lol
Since we are talking boys and girls here let's be clear the Elkins boys beat Charleston not the Girls ..