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Title: 2019 teams
Post by: AverageJo24 on October 19, 2018, 11:52:00 am
Has anyone heard of any new teams joining the 8 man football for 2019? I expect an increase in teams wanting to play, but haven't heard of any specific teams.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: birddawg1986 on October 28, 2018, 09:40:00 am
I hear Augusta will stay permanent. Rumors say Midland will do this year and Rector fall 2020
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: nightowl on October 28, 2018, 01:08:42 pm
Marvell needs to join bad
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: friscokid on October 30, 2018, 01:23:59 am
I think one of the secrets to making 8-man take off is to make all schools start basketball in November at the same time. Remove the incentive to not having football.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: friscokid on October 30, 2018, 01:41:07 am
I'll add that there are a few 3A teams who rose to the point where they should strongly consider it. Not naming any names, bud.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: baseball13 on October 31, 2018, 10:28:40 am
Quote from: friscokid on October 30, 2018, 01:23:59 am
I think one of the secrets to making 8-man take off is to make all schools start basketball in November at the same time. Remove the incentive to not having football.

or let everyone start playing when the non football schools do.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: i40traveler on October 31, 2018, 10:31:47 am
Quote from: friscokid on October 30, 2018, 01:41:07 am
I'll add that there are a few 3A teams who rose to the point where they should strongly consider it. Not naming any names, bud.

I see what you did there
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Missco on October 31, 2018, 10:41:07 am
Arkansas starts basketball way to early for non-football schools. It is the only state I know of in this area that does that.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on October 31, 2018, 10:50:51 am
I really do wish the start date for basketball was the same for all schools regardless of classification.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 11:00:20 am
Let all schools start in October 🤔
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Flobbito on October 31, 2018, 11:54:48 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 11:00:20 am
Let all schools start in October 🤔

Agreed
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 12:00:50 pm
I feel like basketball season used to start a lot earlier than it does now for the "football" schools
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: beach bum on October 31, 2018, 12:42:31 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 11:00:20 am
Let all schools start in October 🤔


I have always wondered what the reasoning of the AAA was to not allow  all schools the option to start playing in October. I know some may rely heavily on football players coming over in especially the 2A and 3A ranks, but when I played at a 4A school all 5 of us starters where basketball only guys so why could we not start playing earlier. I would have loved the chance to get 6 to 8 more games in, and it would be a great opportunity to really mix in a good variety of opponents. I think this rule of only letting basketball only schools is not fair because 2A and 3A schools like a Valley Springs for example get a leg up on their 3A counterparts who don't get that luxury of starting early on top of the obvious of all their athletes being in basketball to begin with. You follow the sport more down there so I would like to hear your input on that. I really wish all schools had that luxury of starting early if they wanted to.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: beach bum on October 31, 2018, 12:47:26 pm
-I am shocked it has never been brought up to the vote on in the summer.... I honestly think it may have more to do with the possible ref situation (not sure how many of them duel up reffing football and basketball) which would cause a shortage in a 4-6 week window

-then I think the administrators would not want it cause it creates more work for them cause they have a loaded October and November on their plate in athletics


-I think the coaches and players would love it so I think it has more to do with outside factors than anything
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OLionSwag74 on December 05, 2018, 10:08:01 am
look for Ida to become 8 man numbers are gonna go wayyyyyy down
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on December 05, 2018, 10:26:49 am
Quote from: OLionSwag74 on December 05, 2018, 10:08:01 am
look for Ida to become 8 man numbers are gonna go wayyyyyy down

Rumor has it they aren't the only ones in west Arkansas looking to join soon either.  Hearing from a pretty good source that Western Yell County is considering 8 man, but their coach won't confirm/deny it to the source.  Hopefully it doesn't get dragged out like some of the teams did last year in deciding to do it and put all the other teams in a bind to find someone.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Wendell Robinson on December 05, 2018, 11:59:17 am
Of the schools that were contacted last year to gauge interest, Western Yell was one of them. WY told those that were in contact with them that they were NOT interested and would NEVER be interested in it, perhaps now they have changed their tune. If you would like to know more on that situation you can PM me.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on December 05, 2018, 12:56:55 pm
Quote from: Wendell Robinson on December 05, 2018, 11:59:17 am
Of the schools that were contacted last year to gauge interest, Western Yell was one of them. WY told those that were in contact with them that they were NOT interested and would NEVER be interested in it, perhaps now they have changed their tune. If you would like to know more on that situation you can PM me.

Maybe they changed their tune.  PM sent, I believe my guy though.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: AT on December 08, 2018, 03:17:34 pm
I've heard WYC is going to 8 man, too, for what its worth.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: MisterSneed on December 12, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
Quote from: Almatrackster on December 08, 2018, 03:17:34 pm
I've heard WYC is going to 8 man, too, for what its worth.

As long as Danville and Magazine remain even mildly successful WYC will always struggle.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on December 29, 2018, 08:59:00 pm
Quote from: MisterSneed on December 12, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
As long as Danville and Magazine remain even mildly successful WYC will always struggle.

Agreed.  maybe they can win more in 8 man and get a little momentum going and at least keep the kids they got.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: R. A.™ on January 03, 2019, 07:06:11 pm
this league will grow and should be fun to watch in the years to come.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Made on January 07, 2019, 08:52:24 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on October 31, 2018, 11:00:20 am
Let all schools start in October 🤔

So the option is to take a month and a half away from football and make the basketball season last 5 months?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: mr.gametime on January 21, 2019, 04:53:55 am
Quote from: birddawg1986 on October 28, 2018, 09:40:00 am
I hear Augusta will stay permanent. Rumors say Midland will do this year and Rector fall 2020

Augusta is trying it's best to field a full team this year and return to 11 man football if possible.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 22, 2019, 06:52:57 am
Quote from: mr.gametime on January 21, 2019, 04:53:55 am
Augusta is trying it's best to field a full team this year and return to 11 man football if possible.
That's good but if they don't at least they have 8 man football
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: friscokid on January 22, 2019, 05:55:43 pm
Quote from: mr.gametime on January 21, 2019, 04:53:55 am
Augusta is trying it's best to field a full team this year and return to 11 man football if possible.
They need to make that decision before other teams fill out their schedules. Since this is mid-cycle they need to wait until next year.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Bearden_Bear72 on January 24, 2019, 05:51:43 pm
Did Woodlawn win the season handily or were there challenges?  Just tryna grt a sense of the competition
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on January 24, 2019, 10:32:52 pm
Quote from: Bearden_Bear72 on January 24, 2019, 05:51:43 pm
Did Woodlawn win the season handily or were there challenges?  Just tryna grt a sense of the competition
I think Woodlawn had a pretty good team not sure what there record was
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: GoodGuy on January 28, 2019, 08:10:58 am
According to Maxpreps, Woodlawn went 9-0 with one forfeit win and the other scores were:
Augusta-  38-36
Episcopal-  52-0
ACA-  60- 0
Decatur- 44-0
Hermitage- 53-0
Augusta- 70-40
Episcopal-  38-28
Hermitage-  49-8
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Bearden_Bear72 on January 30, 2019, 06:06:35 pm
I hate to see some teams are still getting demolished but I believe a few more teams will be in league next time round and that should help competition.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on January 30, 2019, 07:44:56 pm
Heard from a coach in conference that Western Yell has told schools on schedule they are moving to 8 man for next year. 
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 09:43:33 am
If Woodlawn goes undefeated next year again, then they need to go back to 2A, unless their numbers drop.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 09:47:32 am
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 09:43:33 am
If Woodlawn goes undefeated next year again, then they need to go back to 2A, unless their numbers drop.

This is where you run into problems with 8 man. Eventually there will have to be some kind of cutoff number for roster or enrollment sizes. I'm assuming that will come from the AAA. I'm all for teams being competitive and winning, but leaving it up to the school itself whether or not they play 8 man could turn into a pretty slippery slope.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 09:56:03 am
Quote from: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 09:47:32 am
This is where you run into problems with 8 man. Eventually there will have to be some kind of cutoff number for roster or enrollment sizes. I'm assuming that will come from the AAA. I'm all for teams being competitive and winning, but leaving it up to the school itself whether or not they play 8 man could turn into a pretty slippery slope.

Right now its a club sport is my understanding.  The AAA is suppose to sanction it next year is what I was told.  If they don't, and its a club sport, guess there won't be much to stop them.  But if they do, I would assume they would do it like every other classification.  I think Woodlawn should be near whatever enrollment number they use as a cutoff.  I think Oklahoma and other states have a low cut off number.  But I wouldn't think it would be fair for a 3A enrollment or up to just say hey we are gonna play 8 man so we can win a lot.  That would be overkill.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 09:59:28 am
Quote from: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 09:56:03 am
Right now its a club sport is my understanding.  The AAA is suppose to sanction it next year is what I was told.  If they don't, and its a club sport, guess there won't be much to stop them.  But if they do, I would assume they would do it like every other classification.  I think Woodlawn should be near whatever enrollment number they use as a cutoff.  I think Oklahoma and other states have a low cut off number.  But I wouldn't think it would be fair for a 3A enrollment or up to just say hey we are gonna play 8 man so we can win a lot.  That would be overkill.

Right, that's why (as much as I wish they at least looked like they knew what they were doing half the time) the AAA needs to sanction it soon. There has to be some kind of regulation on who can and can't declare for 8 man. Like I said, I love that it is an option for teams to play 8 man and not have to give up football. But a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 10:03:00 am
I feel like AAA would still mess it up. They don't exactly have the best track record as of lately. Maybe a different committee.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 10:04:53 am
Quote from: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 09:59:28 am
Right, that's why (as much as I wish they at least looked like they knew what they were doing half the time) the AAA needs to sanction it soon. There has to be some kind of regulation on who can and can't declare for 8 man. Like I said, I love that it is an option for teams to play 8 man and not have to give up football. But a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Yes!  Exactly.  2020 is close now  :o as hard as that is to believe.  Seems like just yesterday it was 2010.  But I think this next year will determine where they draw the cutoff.  I'm confident it will be a low number.  Some schools are dropping because they don't have many kids in the school to choose from, and this has led to increased participation from kids who ordinarily wouldn't play, but it does no good to drop to keep football, if the same teams that are way bigger than them drop down too.  Defies the point, i think, of dropping due to low numbers, if someone has the numbers, but decides to run kids off, or not provide a quality experience, then they drop because of "low participation".  Difference in enrollment and participation.  One is not always based on the other. 
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 10:23:07 am
Quote from: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 10:04:53 am
Yes!  Exactly.  2020 is close now  :o as hard as that is to believe.  Seems like just yesterday it was 2010.  But I think this next year will determine where they draw the cutoff.  I'm confident it will be a low number.  Some schools are dropping because they don't have many kids in the school to choose from, and this has led to increased participation from kids who ordinarily wouldn't play, but it does no good to drop to keep football, if the same teams that are way bigger than them drop down too.  Defies the point, i think, of dropping due to low numbers, if someone has the numbers, but decides to run kids off, or not provide a quality experience, then they drop because of "low participation".  Difference in enrollment and participation.  One is not always based on the other.

What if they had 1A/2A 8 Man, and 3A 8 Man. Maybe not now, but 3 or 4 years down the road. I think they should pitch 8 man to some larger 1A Schools that don't have a team.  Like Taylor
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 10:28:14 am
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 10:23:07 am
What if they had 1A/2A 8 Man, and 3A 8 Man. Maybe not now, but 3 or 4 years down the road. I think they should pitch 8 man to some larger 1A Schools that don't have a team.  Like Taylor

Yeah, but what if enough 3a schools don't play?  Then you just have a large school/small school split?  I can see it working like that.  Very rational idea.  I think someone has said some of the larger 1A/2A that don't have it are looking to add 8 man football, but so far no idea who all will.  May not know until they have to declare for the next cycle.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 10:33:35 am
Quote from: threepeoplematter on February 04, 2019, 10:28:14 am
Yeah, but what if enough 3a schools don't play?  Then you just have a large school/small school split?  I can see it working like that.  Very rational idea.  I think someone has said some of the larger 1A/2A that don't have it are looking to add 8 man football, but so far no idea who all will.  May not know until they have to declare for the next cycle.

I imagine they will just take whatever schools declare for 8 man, have a cutoff number and split them into (probably) two divisions. That's pretty much how they do the regular classifications now. Say you have 20 teams declare for 8 man. The ten with the highest enrollment play in the "upper" division, and the ten with the lowest enrollment play in the "lower" division.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 11:32:09 am
Quote from: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 10:33:35 am
I imagine they will just take whatever schools declare for 8 man, have a cutoff number and split them into (probably) two divisions. That's pretty much how they do the regular classifications now. Say you have 20 teams declare for 8 man. The ten with the highest enrollment play in the "upper" division, and the ten with the lowest enrollment play in the "lower" division.

Exactly what my thought was. I think as you see sports popularity on the rise, you will see small schools have more people involved in or want to be involved in football.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: NWA Hawg on February 04, 2019, 01:45:55 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 10:23:07 am
What if they had 1A/2A 8 Man, and 3A 8 Man. Maybe not now, but 3 or 4 years down the road. I think they should pitch 8 man to some larger 1A Schools that don't have a team.  Like Taylor

I don't understand why Emerson, Taylor, and Bradley don't have one big team. No sense in them not having a football team in Taylor and letting kids from all three schools play.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 01:54:15 pm
Ehh its tough. For example Sparkman AR kids can go play football at Camden Harmony Grove. But I don't think multiple schools can have one big team.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2019, 03:09:44 pm
Emerson-Taylor-Bradley are one school district.... Ozark Mountain District pulls kids from all 3 of their schools for Baseball.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 03:41:26 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2019, 03:09:44 pm
Emerson-Taylor-Bradley are one school district.... Ozark Mountain District pulls kids from all 3 of their schools for Baseball.

I knew already they were one district, but didn't know they were allowed to pull to make one team. Learn something everyday. Emerson use to have a football team back in the early 2000's I believe. Even up to like 2009 I think? Not sure, but I feel like I remember seeing something in the Democrat Gazette back in the day.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2019, 06:27:35 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on February 04, 2019, 03:41:26 pm
I knew already they were one district, but didn't know they were allowed to pull to make one team. Learn something everyday. Emerson use to have a football team back in the early 2000's I believe. Even up to like 2009 I think? Not sure, but I feel like I remember seeing something in the Democrat Gazette back in the day.

I don't remember any of them having football....Bradley had one before Fearless Friday era

And to my knowledge consolidated districts can pull from every campus so long as they don't offer the sport on every campus.....it's how Sparkman kids can play for CHG, Hartford(now closed) could play football at Hackett
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: friscokid on February 04, 2019, 11:33:11 pm
Quote from: OB11 on February 04, 2019, 10:33:35 am
I imagine they will just take whatever schools declare for 8 man, have a cutoff number and split them into (probably) two divisions. That's pretty much how they do the regular classifications now. Say you have 20 teams declare for 8 man. The ten with the highest enrollment play in the "upper" division, and the ten with the lowest enrollment play in the "lower" division.
That's basically how Oklahoma does it (Class B and C). In this case I would be open to letting some 3A bottom feeders in, with approval from a majority of 8-man superintendents on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: ak58 on February 10, 2019, 03:27:23 pm
Emerson- Taylor - Bradley would have the perfect mix of athletes to make a competitive football team. I've heard some people from there talk about it, but they all say the same thing... small town politics of a baseball school + 2 basketball schools make it really hard. They will miss out,  8 man is a great opportunity for small schools and communities!
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: i40traveler on February 10, 2019, 07:10:37 pm
I saw Dermott play a basketball game a few years ago with several football looking players. Are they considering?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on February 11, 2019, 07:51:16 am
Quote from: ak58 on February 10, 2019, 03:27:23 pm
Emerson- Taylor - Bradley would have the perfect mix of athletes to make a competitive football team. I've heard some people from there talk about it, but they all say the same thing... small town politics of a baseball school + 2 basketball schools make it really hard. They will miss out,  8 man is a great opportunity for small schools and communities!

It's all about Administrators wanting to do it or not.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: arkansasprepfootball on March 10, 2019, 10:33:56 am
Posted something similar on Dermott thread on 2A board - unless concrete rules on participation are put in place for the next cycle, 8-man will become nothing but teams who can't compete in 11-man.

Where are these schools that were supposedly going to start football and play 8-man?  Frankly, I don't think they exist.  The start-up costs of 8-man and 11-man are virtually identical.  Still need field, equipment, staff, etc.  I do not see any current basketball-only program adding football at 8-man level.

I do know there is a push from some - coaches/admin/etc. - to move to 6-man instead of 8-man.  If it is truly about low participation, that would be a better move.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: tmycjy on March 19, 2019, 09:35:48 pm
Quote from: arkansasprepfootball on March 10, 2019, 10:33:56 am
Posted something similar on Dermott thread on 2A board - unless concrete rules on participation are put in place for the next cycle, 8-man will become nothing but teams who can't compete in 11-man.

Where are these schools that were supposedly going to start football and play 8-man?  Frankly, I don't think they exist.  The start-up costs of 8-man and 11-man are virtually identical.  Still need field, equipment, staff, etc.  I do not see any current basketball-only program adding football at 8-man level.

I do know there is a push from some - coaches/admin/etc. - to move to 6-man instead of 8-man.  If it is truly about low participation, that would be a better move.

now that my point I been saying all a long
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: airitout on April 16, 2019, 01:21:10 pm
Is there anywhere on the AAA site for 8 man football?  Maxpreps?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Brian G on May 25, 2019, 10:34:44 am
Heard Brinkley went 8 man.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 03, 2019, 11:37:10 am
Quote from: B.G. on May 25, 2019, 10:34:44 am
Heard Brinkley went 8 man.

Article please?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Jwolf12 on June 03, 2019, 01:19:24 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on June 03, 2019, 11:37:10 am
Article please?

From Lonoke County Sports Report on May 24:
"The Carlisle-Lonoke football game has been moved to Week 0, according to Carlisle coach Caleb Shock. The date for the game is Aug. 30 at Fred C. Hardke Field.
Carlisle had lost a home game against Brinkley in Week 9 because of the Tigers choosing to play 8-man football this season.
With the Carlisle-Lonoke game being moved to Week 0, the Bison were able to schedule Johnson County Westside in Week 1, the second game of the season.
Carlisle will have four home games and six road games.
Home games including Lonoke on Aug. 30 against Lonoke, Sept. 6 against Westside, Oct. 4 against Des Arc and Oct. 11 vs. Marvell.
Road games include: Sept. 13 at DeWitt, Sept. 20 at Baptist Prep, Sept. 27 at Hazen, Oct. 18 at Marianna, Oct. 25 at Clarendon and Nov. 8 a Earle.
The Bison will be idle Nov. 1."

https://www.facebook.com/1510173709203097/posts/2455148441372281?sfns=mo
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 04, 2019, 12:51:54 pm
Quote from: Jwolf12 on June 03, 2019, 01:19:24 pm
From Lonoke County Sports Report on May 24:
"The Carlisle-Lonoke football game has been moved to Week 0, according to Carlisle coach Caleb Shock. The date for the game is Aug. 30 at Fred C. Hardke Field.
Carlisle had lost a home game against Brinkley in Week 9 because of the Tigers choosing to play 8-man football this season.
With the Carlisle-Lonoke game being moved to Week 0, the Bison were able to schedule Johnson County Westside in Week 1, the second game of the season.
Carlisle will have four home games and six road games.
Home games including Lonoke on Aug. 30 against Lonoke, Sept. 6 against Westside, Oct. 4 against Des Arc and Oct. 11 vs. Marvell.
Road games include: Sept. 13 at DeWitt, Sept. 20 at Baptist Prep, Sept. 27 at Hazen, Oct. 18 at Marianna, Oct. 25 at Clarendon and Nov. 8 a Earle.
The Bison will be idle Nov. 1."

https://www.facebook.com/1510173709203097/posts/2455148441372281?sfns=mo

That's better, still not a direct article, but I will take it.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Jwolf12 on June 04, 2019, 04:31:09 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on June 04, 2019, 12:51:54 pm
That's better, still not a direct article, but I will take it.

I've found this too but that's all I've seen on it
http://www.clevelandcountyherald.com/2019/05/29/three-more-to-play-8-man-football/
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 06, 2019, 01:57:25 pm
Jeremy Muck tweeted yesterday that Brinkley Trinity Christian and Western Yell will play 8 man football in 2019
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: GRN R H-2 X-Deep Over on June 07, 2019, 12:45:16 pm
Would the small private schools in big cities ever play 8-man? Like Haas Hall and the Arts Academy.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Hogman2018 on June 07, 2019, 07:17:06 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on June 06, 2019, 01:57:25 pm
Jeremy Muck tweeted yesterday that Brinkley Trinity Christian and Western Yell will play 8 man football in 2019
Does anyone know where Trinity will play their games?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 08, 2019, 05:22:34 pm
https://foxsportstexarkana.com/trinity-christian-school-to-play-8-man-football-next-fall/
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Hogman2018 on June 08, 2019, 08:58:23 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on June 08, 2019, 05:22:34 pm
https://foxsportstexarkana.com/trinity-christian-school-to-play-8-man-football-next-fall/
It still doesn't say where they will play!
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 09, 2019, 07:53:16 am
Quote from: Hogman2018 on June 08, 2019, 08:58:23 pm
It still doesn't say where they will play!

They don't have a field and are still in talks with multiple sites in Texarkana
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: BLamb44 on June 11, 2019, 09:05:58 am
There is a huge difference between numbers and quality of numbers. I've seen some 8-man teams with 20+ , but most have less than 20. Woodlawn has a very good class but only 15-18 players. They usually only have 4-6 come to summer workouts because of jobs. If you try to play Junction City with 15 players and only 8 true starters, what happens? That goes for playing basically anyone in 8-2A. All the teams that have committed to 8-man have done everything in their power to stay in 11-man. I used to think it wasn't real football but all you have to do is go watch a game, and you'll realize too, that's it's still football. Blocking, tackling, running and throwing. It's just condensed into a 40 yard wide field. It's a fun game to watch. If you can play, you can play. As far as those 1A baseball/basketball only schools are concerned, it would be worth the startup money to at least make it an option. Football makes money. As they say on Field Of Dreams, "if you build it, they will come."
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: BLamb44 on July 23, 2019, 05:17:43 pm
Great discussion guys. The 1A schools have been approached and told exactly what they would need to start a football program. About $15,000. They would make that money back quickly but they're very hesitant on spending that kind of money up front. And you're right, most the 1A schools don't want to give up their basketball time. It's a shame to see tradition rich programs fall on hard times due to enrollment or money but 8-man football can keep things going. The fans love it and I know the boys enjoy playing teams that are comparable size and numbers wise. I think 8-man is here to stay but it would sure be great for all those teams (and you know who you are) that are on the fence to just jump on in... the water feels great!
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on July 29, 2019, 03:21:34 pm
Quote from: BLamb44 on July 23, 2019, 05:17:43 pm
Great discussion guys. The 1A schools have been approached and told exactly what they would need to start a football program. About $15,000. They would make that money back quickly but they're very hesitant on spending that kind of money up front. And you're right, most the 1A schools don't want to give up their basketball time. It's a shame to see tradition rich programs fall on hard times due to enrollment or money but 8-man football can keep things going. The fans love it and I know the boys enjoy playing teams that are comparable size and numbers wise. I think 8-man is here to stay but it would sure be great for all those teams (and you know who you are) that are on the fence to just jump on in... the water feels great!

Where is the $15,000 coming from? And what would that go towards to start a program? Seems like a low number to start up a program.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: jbtiger73 on July 29, 2019, 06:17:10 pm
there are plenty of grants and loans out there for football startup programs. also, fundraisers, and donations can also help. just have to take the time to do the research.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on July 29, 2019, 08:38:37 pm
Quote from: jbtiger73 on July 29, 2019, 06:17:10 pm
there are plenty of grants and loans out there for football startup programs. also, fundraisers, and donations can also help. just have to take the time to do the research.

I was questioning where the number came from. Why $15K? I'm sure there are plenty of places out there to get the money to start up a program.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Missco on July 29, 2019, 09:34:57 pm
A simple solution to help football would be no basketball for all schools until fb is over. That might get a few schools to start football.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: NWA Hawg on July 30, 2019, 07:21:13 am
Quote from: Missco on July 29, 2019, 09:34:57 pm
A simple solution to help football would be no basketball for all schools until fb is over. That might get a few schools to start football.

Why punish the schools who just play basketball? Just to try and force them to start football? That's pretty crappy.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 30, 2019, 07:47:54 am
Quote from: fann07 on July 30, 2019, 07:21:13 am
Why punish the schools who just play basketball? Just to try and force them to start football? That's pretty crappy.

Yeah and what about the kids that may have a chance to play college basketball? They only play basketball and want to focus on that.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: OB11 on July 30, 2019, 10:00:20 am
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 30, 2019, 07:47:54 am
Yeah and what about the kids that may have a chance to play college basketball? They only play basketball and want to focus on that.

There are plenty of kids that have played college basketball that attended schools that play football. No one would be forcing the kid to play football.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 30, 2019, 10:11:12 am
Quote from: OB11 on July 30, 2019, 10:00:20 am
There are plenty of kids that have played college basketball that attended schools that play football. No one would be forcing the kid to play football.

Correct, I am just saying we don't need to move basketball at all.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: NWA Hawg on July 30, 2019, 12:20:49 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 30, 2019, 10:11:12 am
Correct, I am just saying we don't need to move basketball at all.

I agree
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: MomaLion on August 29, 2019, 12:01:46 am
Quote from: fann07 on July 30, 2019, 07:21:13 am
Why punish the schools who just play basketball? Just to try and force them to start football? That's pretty crappy.

Why punish the kids who only play basketball in a football school by making them wait to play?  Why punish kids who play both football and basketball by making them wait and then the basketball only schools get the advantage of earlier practice.  In my opinion the start time for basketball should be the same regardless of football.  Either everyone starts late or everyone starts early.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: BLamb44 on September 10, 2019, 08:32:02 pm
I totally agree about basketball. There should be a statewide starting date for basketball. As long as there is an advantage to not play football, why would you try to start it up. Forget about how much money would be generated by having football. It makes money. People will come. The $15,000 was an estimate from AAA.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Sweet Feet on September 20, 2019, 06:14:27 pm
I hope more small schools and 1A schools form 8-man teams. It hurts to see that there are so many schools with kids who want to play some kind of football but can't.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: jbtiger73 on September 22, 2019, 09:20:27 am
What's sad is, is that we're having success at the 8 man level. But the school and community are giving our AD/Head Coach a bunch of crap about going to 8 man in the first place. The complete disrespect is sickening to me as a former player there. At the time of the decision, we only had around 12 or 13 players. By the time practice started back in August, we had right at 20. By that time, we had made the commitment. And the other teams on the schedule were notified, so that they could make other game arrangements. I'm still behind our team, and the coaches. The atmosphere around the team is as high as it's been since I was playing back in the late 90's and early 2000's. But the community and school needs to get their heads out of their butts, and recognize this.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: MomaLion on September 23, 2019, 02:42:07 am
Nobody likes change.  I guess they'd rather see a struggling full team rather than a dominate 8 man squad.  Nevermind that the kids are safer for not having to always play both ways and risk injury.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on September 23, 2019, 08:02:56 am
Do we have an updated list of teams?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 23, 2019, 09:25:48 am
Same as last year with 2 new additions..

Brinkley
Wyc
Augusta
Decatur
Arkansas christian
Trinity Christian
Episcopal
Woodlawn
Hermitage

Seen some were playing SW Christian out of Little Rock too
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: jbtiger73 on September 23, 2019, 06:52:49 pm
I noticed that Decatur plays 8 man schools in Oklahoma and Missouri. I really hope it gets sanctioned very soon though. AAA is piddling around on this issue. But what else is new with them.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 23, 2019, 08:19:55 pm
Quote from: jbtiger73 on September 23, 2019, 06:52:49 pm
I noticed that Decatur plays 8 man schools in Oklahoma and Missouri. I really hope it gets sanctioned very soon though. AAA is piddling around on this issue. But what else is new with them.

Think they're may be a minimum, it's a sport y'all don't care about, but they drug their feet on soccer in the mid-late 90's....and I think the schools formed their own league and held competitive tournaments and may have declared state champs
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: MomaLion on September 24, 2019, 04:31:16 am
Does AAA get a percentage of the gate in 8 man?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on September 24, 2019, 07:52:52 am
Quote from: MomaLion on September 24, 2019, 04:31:16 am
Does AAA get a percentage of the gate in 8 man?

I would expect so. If 8-man is regulated by the AAA.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 24, 2019, 10:06:52 am
Well they don't sanction it so, do they actually recognize it?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Mulerider4Life on September 24, 2019, 10:23:48 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on September 24, 2019, 10:06:52 am
Well they don't sanction it so, do they actually recognize it?

They may be able to pull in a little bit of money then.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: jbtiger73 on September 24, 2019, 11:50:41 am
The officials work for the AAA as well, right? I know they have their own organization, the AOA. So, they probably work independently when it comes to 8 man.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: HorseFeathers on September 24, 2019, 12:08:48 pm
I'm sure the schools can still have their agreements with local assignors....

Not only that, I'd assume jsut be AAA registered doesn't mean you can only do sanctioned events?
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: WildcatTater on October 04, 2019, 08:17:33 pm
How is Episcopal doing this year? Man I remember when Episcopal ran the 3A conference. LOL.
Title: Re: 2019 teams
Post by: Sweet Feet on October 06, 2019, 03:45:00 pm
Can't wait to see the 1A schools get football