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Title: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 01, 2018, 05:49:42 pm
Just wondering who the Wonder people hired.  I trained a couple of coaches that wanted that job
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 01, 2018, 11:19:34 pm
Was pondering the same thing myself wise!! Boss has called a meeting to finalize the fireworks show maybe he will clue us in! Been awful quiet over there in liquor land!!! Since Jerry Simmons left I pondered that many High Seed applicants would be vieing and byeing for that head man position
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 02, 2018, 03:06:07 pm
Whose Wonderingview gonna hire?? I'm guessing with the lackification of chatter it will be a Bottom Seed type! Good for Mt Vernon and Rural and other High Seed types Low Seeds too! I'm seeing lots of luggage I mean baggage!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 03, 2018, 09:44:44 am
Rumwhore has it they talked to the Boss but he said he doesn't like yellow only green and white then saided to stick it
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 03, 2018, 10:57:45 am
Has Wonderingview hired anybody yet?? Zero quality applicantificates if the word on the dirt road over Hattieville and St Vincent or Liquor Land as the locals  call it! I figured the hairy knucklers at the store would have this locked up by now!! They need a Sonic over there to act as headquarters and the hub!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Mr. Pappagiorgio on July 03, 2018, 10:58:54 pm
I hear they have some upper escilan people prospects. Gonna surprise some folks in the heatland of Arkansas. Furred up fans, furred players, furred up coaches! Go warriors!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 04, 2018, 06:53:27 pm
Lower seeds only
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: softballfan22 on July 08, 2018, 03:44:07 pm
I'm interested also! Saw they reposted the job on school spring.  I do think they got a good softball coaching coming from what I've heard. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 08, 2018, 10:25:16 pm
Quote from: softballfan22 on July 08, 2018, 03:44:07 pm
I'm interested also! Saw they reposted the job on school spring.  I do think they got a good softball coaching coming from what I've heard.
So you like softball?? Asking for a friend!! Ain't Wonderingview pretty much a basketball school??
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: softballfan22 on July 09, 2018, 05:23:44 pm
Love softball, love football. I like a lot of sports. But a lot of times small schools with good basketball programs can have good softball programs. Means they have athletes. Not the same case with every school, but just pointing out someone told me they hired a good softball coach.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: gamechanger11 on July 09, 2018, 08:38:35 pm
Well who did they hire? I have heard no one they didn't like any of they applicants.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 09, 2018, 09:31:13 pm
Quote from: gamechanger11 on July 09, 2018, 08:38:35 pm
Well who did they hire? I have heard no one they didn't like any of they applicants.
To coin a baseball phrase—-suhwing anda miss Strike three! Lowerseeds man lowerseeds
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Moonshiner on July 09, 2018, 11:22:18 pm
Quote from: SackAttack on July 09, 2018, 09:31:13 pm
To coin a baseball phrase—-suhwing anda miss Strike three! Lowerseeds man lowerseeds

Are they actively recruiting?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: rheddhoss on July 11, 2018, 10:53:00 pm
Any thoughts on who the new hire will be?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Hef on July 14, 2018, 09:26:47 am
Word is that their first choice got vetoed at board meeting.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 15, 2018, 09:21:14 pm
Quote from: Hef on July 14, 2018, 09:26:47 am
Word is that their first choice got vetoed at board meeting.
Must have been a Low Seed choice!! Who was it that got the veto?? Any names? Asking for a friend!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 19, 2018, 02:29:49 pm
Any news out of StillWonderingview?? Shore is taking a long time they must really be doing a through investigation on the possible candidates to get a High Seed hire! Where all those Wondering cats at?? Crickets chirping
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: BasketballNeverStops on July 19, 2018, 09:18:02 pm
Cody Richey is the new coach at Wonderview. Congrats and best of luck to him!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 19, 2018, 09:28:01 pm
Quote from: BasketballNeverStops on July 19, 2018, 09:18:02 pm
Cody Richey is the new coach at Wonderview. Congrats and best of luck to him!
WHO??? Richey from Westside?? Wow is all I got! Yes good luck with that! Refer to all my previous posts!! UnSacktacular!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on July 19, 2018, 09:57:26 pm
Seems like a panic hire.   Hard to believe it took this long to hire.  Why didn't squires just coach them
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: brock on July 20, 2018, 07:58:04 am
Typically new hires just ride the previous coaches coat tail if they inherit a team consisting of a lot of returners. I feel you see more of what a coach can do once they have been at a particular school for 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: BossBaby on July 20, 2018, 09:52:36 am
Quote from: BasketballNeverStops on July 19, 2018, 09:18:02 pm
Cody Richey is the new coach at Wonderview. Congrats and best of luck to him!

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: WarriorFan on July 20, 2018, 10:25:37 am
Where is he from??
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 20, 2018, 11:20:45 am
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 20, 2018, 10:25:37 am
Where is he from??
Well he's from over here from Westside!! Best lake in the state! Best burger in the state! Best everything in the state! Especially our new boys coach Benny Brown
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 21, 2018, 11:14:46 am
Wasn't Richey basically fired at wsgf, and seen his best talent playing for other schools?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on July 24, 2018, 10:14:49 am
I talked to a friend of mine from Morrilton, he has friends at WV, said that WV Sr. girls went undefeated at the Vilonia team camp with no coach... so not sure it will matter who is at the helm over there.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: brock on July 24, 2018, 10:24:13 am
My point exactly. Coaching is one of the most overrated professions out there.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on July 24, 2018, 11:03:12 am
Or you could say that Simon was an excellent coach whose teaching made a lasting impression on some athletic girls who have a high BB IQ, and they used what they learned from him and applied it even when he wasn't there to coach them.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 24, 2018, 12:52:44 pm
Quote from: Flobbito on July 24, 2018, 11:03:12 am
Or you could say that Simon was an excellent coach whose teaching made a lasting impression on some athletic girls who have a high BB IQ, and they used what they learned from him and applied it even when he wasn't there to coach them.
Nah! More like everybody else was a Low Seed so Yeah I guess partial correct ivory is okay!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: brock on July 24, 2018, 12:53:06 pm
Talent wins ball games and at times championships.  There is such a thing as good and bad coaches, but it's way more about players then it is coaching. A good coach can make bad players competitive, but he/she isn't going to win state with them. A bad coach can look good with a team of thoroughbreds.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: ballmember on July 24, 2018, 04:21:12 pm
U fixin to find out at WV my friend whether coaching matters.  WV lost a very good  coach. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 25, 2018, 12:44:42 pm
You can look down the ranks of top notch coaches and see they all have ties to WSGF.  Richey had wsgf def trending upward.  Had helped develop that young sr girls team immensely.  Don't get me wrong I support the school board and parents they all voted and I'm glad Tutor is hear she will do great things building off of tradition and great talent that Richey has helped develop.  Carlton from MVE very talented squad lost in the state finals to Wonderview that Richey now coaches.  Brunson from County Line always year in and year out in the top 5 boys!  EVERY year!  I've The Perv Fairfield success everywhere he has been.  White coach at Searcy went thru wsgf.  Benny Brown takes over a great boys program with tons of talent.  I believe the Jr Boys have only lost 1 game ever!  Potential for great sucksess there.  Brady the best coach ever!  Hipp prob in the top 1 or 2 ever.  We don't rebuild we reload
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 26, 2018, 07:42:28 am
I really think Richey will do very well plus he already has 12 suits that are green!  Boom that's a bonus!  I can see Wonderview with him and Squeers going pretty far this tournament season!  Don't forget Richey you are from the land of the Boss!  Take that tradishuiun to the Wonderland and use it!  Notable games this year is WSGF and Wonderview!  It will be an all out slap fest!  Better buckle up!  I think during that game we will honor state champs from WSGF!  Great nights are coming! Will Richey sing our Alma Mater or the Wondergirls Alma? 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 26, 2018, 11:24:29 am
That's a great 1 2 1 2 3 combo for coaches!  I heard that there is a possibility of the 2 coaches combing talents and tagging each other in in crucial situayshuns.  Like if Richey is better in the 3rd quarter grind that Squeers could tag him in and get a coaching breather to gather his thoughts and come back great.  Same thing on the other side Richey can use his eagle prowess and help the boys!  Tag your in keeps both teams on the edge and coaches sharp.  Your welcome on dual state titles now WV!  I can be hired as a consultant if you have ties to wsgf
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: bball2015 on July 26, 2018, 08:39:52 pm
Wonderview did take a loss to Mt. View today at Lyon College team camp, but Wonderview did beat Norfork 48-21 this evening at Lyon College team camp.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bears_94 on July 26, 2018, 08:57:04 pm
Quote from: bball2015 on July 26, 2018, 08:39:52 pm
Wonderview did take a loss to Mt. View today at Lyon College team camp, but Wonderview did beat Norfork 48-21 this evening at Lyon College team camp.
I heard Mountain View took a loss to Norfork also. Guess Wonderview still has Norfork's number. Wonderview didn't have Mountain View's though.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Backboard Shattered on July 27, 2018, 06:33:48 am
Wonderview will have a great year!  I think that it will be a seamless transition from one coach to the next!  Similar styles!  And I think that Richey helps the boys program also!  We will miss him at wsgf but I wish him the best of luck and can't wait to watch them play
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on July 27, 2018, 05:14:02 pm
Quote from: Backboard Shattered on July 27, 2018, 06:33:48 am
Wonderview will have a great year!  I think that it will be a seamless transition from one coach to the next!  Similar styles!  And I think that Richey helps the boys program also!  We will miss him at wsgf but I wish him the best of luck and can't wait to watch them play
Not as good as they couldof had because they didn't want to bad enough and took the shortest shortcut type of path! Part 2 of my investigative prejogatory found out that by knowing people that know people that talk and communique with folks that one legendary Irv the Perv Fairfield was very very interested in this job and received nary an interview or phone communique to say thank you sir but no thanks sir you are very underqualified!! Yeah he's only won about 1300-1400 games in a 34  -35 year career taking established programs higher building programs that needed repair but nah let's pass on the well respected veterans and hire a guy that well was pushed out forcibly! Easy investigative work when you know so many people that know so many people! Part 3 of the Quad4 investigative approached that not even Watergate and Waterhead teams could comprehend! Robert Meuller! Passed on Irvin Fairfield! Whose in charge of Twinkleview anyway??
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on August 17, 2018, 02:08:16 pm
Coach Simon was not treated fairly. The school board would not allow him to move 9th graders up until after jr high season was over. He took it to the board a couple of times the last time when these Sr girls were 8th grade. He was dealing with lots of injuries and needed bodies. School board shot it down. Now last night squires wants to move up his son which is a 9th grader and board allowed it. Lots of small time politics being played but usually when you don't have good intentions then karma creeps in. This whole hiring process was a joke and some higher ups should feel ashamed. Embarrassing
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: no mascot on August 17, 2018, 02:59:34 pm
Why is this a school board decision?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Central Ark on August 17, 2018, 06:02:13 pm
Everything involving a public school is a school board decision.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: no mascot on August 17, 2018, 06:15:03 pm
Is that sarcasm? I hope so!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Central Ark on August 17, 2018, 07:18:08 pm
Whoelse's decision would it be?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Central Ark on August 17, 2018, 07:24:37 pm
Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be their decision.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on August 17, 2018, 09:39:51 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on August 17, 2018, 02:08:16 pm
Coach Simon was not treated fairly. The school board would not allow him to move 9th graders up until after jr high season was over. He took it to the board a couple of times the last time when these Sr girls were 8th grade. He was dealing with lots of injuries and needed bodies. School board shot it down. Now last night squires wants to move up his son which is a 9th grader and board allowed it. Lots of small time politics being played but usually when you don't have good intentions then karma creeps in. This whole hiring process was a joke and some higher ups should feel ashamed. Embarrassing
If this is true from what I saw last year there won't be enough basketballs to go around! I bet those juniors and seniors ain't gonna like this too much!!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: BannerMountainMan on December 15, 2018, 08:51:53 am
Wow. Wonderview is 9-0 in the first half of their conference play against the best conference in 1a by far, good coaching hire in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 15, 2018, 01:27:16 pm
Quote from: BannerMountainMan on December 15, 2018, 08:51:53 am
Wow. Wonderview is 9-0 in the first half of their conference play against the best conference in 1a by far, good coaching hire in my opinion.

Do the players make the coach, or does the coach make the players??
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 02:41:11 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 15, 2018, 01:27:16 pm
Do the players make the coach, or does the coach make the players??
2019 will tell.  Faith Byers #5 and Bailey Wright #23 will be gone.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on December 15, 2018, 03:49:38 pm
Quote from: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 02:41:11 pm
2019 will tell.  Faith Byers #5 and Bailey Wright #23 will be gone.

No it won't. Riccoar you are clueless. I've seen wonderview play this year and they haven't changed anything from last year which means he's smart enough not to screw things up. They will be down in talent next year so that means they will lose more which doesn't necessarily mean he will be doing a bad job. We understand he wasn't good enough to coach at WS. How did yalls game go this year at WS anyway?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on December 15, 2018, 03:54:45 pm
Quote from: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 02:41:11 pm
2019 will tell.  Faith Byers #5 and Bailey Wright #23 will be gone.

Those two are difference makers without a doubt.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: gamechanger11 on December 15, 2018, 05:45:13 pm
I always find those comments comical. Does the players make the coach or the coach make the players. Lol. I think the real question is do "I" like the coach or not. I have seen many coaches do a fine job, however according to some the coach was awful mostly because someone disliked them. But to answer the question it goes both ways. Good players can make a good coach but also a good coach can make good players. Moreover, good players can overcome poor coaching to an extent and good coaching can overcome poor players also to an extent.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 06:13:53 pm
Quote from: Bigleague on December 15, 2018, 03:49:38 pm
No it won't. Riccoar you are clueless. I've seen wonderview play this year and they haven't changed anything from last year which means he's smart enough not to screw things up. They will be down in talent next year so that means they will lose more which doesn't necessarily mean he will be doing a bad job. We understand he wasn't good enough to coach at WS. How did yalls game go this year at WS anyway?
Uh, they are coming off of a State Championship. Lots of pieces from that squad minus Zimmerman. Be a fool if he did change even one thing. I'm simply saying when the two girls that carry them this year are gone, THATS when we will see if he has the ability to keep the expectations going at Wonderview. You could plug any coach into that team and win a lot of games simply on the talent there.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on December 15, 2018, 06:51:05 pm
Simon doesn't leave if they had talent still coming.   Trust me
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on December 15, 2018, 08:19:15 pm
Quote from: Bigleague on December 15, 2018, 06:51:05 pm
Simon doesn't leave if they had talent still coming.   Trust me
Sack said same thing 83 posts ago and Sack knows Sacks stuff even when people don't listen to Sack!! Jerry Simons mom didn't raise no fool!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 10:04:51 pm
Quote from: Bigleague on December 15, 2018, 06:51:05 pm
Simon doesn't leave if they had talent still coming.   Trust me
Possible it's that mixed with the politics he seemed to have to deal with. But I believe he went to another hotbed of talent.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on December 15, 2018, 10:32:08 pm
Quote from: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 10:04:51 pm
Possible it's that mixed with the politics he seemed to have to deal with. But I believe he went to another hotbed of talent.
Yeah Sack knows that there are some coaches that only seem to be good when they are in that hotbed! We've run into that here at Westside sometimes but not the Boss he could take a bunch of bedhead orphans and beat your brakes off! I've seen him do it!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 02, 2019, 05:21:40 pm
Squires will be coaching WV girls to finish the year.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: NewToTheLake on February 02, 2019, 05:24:03 pm
Uh why
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 02, 2019, 05:28:59 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 02, 2019, 05:21:40 pm
Squires will be coaching WV girls to finish the year.

I noticed he was coaching the Jr. High today and was curious why, hope it's nothing health related for him or his family.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 02, 2019, 07:27:36 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 02, 2019, 05:21:40 pm
Squires will be coaching WV girls to finish the year.
What nobody told Sack this was coming!! What's the story here!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 02, 2019, 07:55:53 pm
Quote from: SackAttack on February 02, 2019, 07:27:36 pm
What nobody told Sack this was coming!! What's the story here!!
Never mind Sack will find out you know Sack will because that's what Sack does cause everybody confides in Sack!! Sack will bump into Lenny Harris he knows erthing WV. Anybody got his digital send them Sacks way and I'll get y'all the scoop
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on February 02, 2019, 09:25:31 pm
Sack is da man
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 02, 2019, 09:51:07 pm
Still looking for Lenny Harris's didgitals if anybody can help Brother Sack our so Brother Sack can help y'all out!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 03, 2019, 02:43:41 pm
I've heard of lots of weird things out of their administration.  Over the years been crazy stuff been kind of hush hush over there. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 03, 2019, 04:16:27 pm
Quote from: Sports Loser on February 03, 2019, 02:43:41 pm
I've heard of lots of weird things out of their administration.  Over the years been crazy stuff been kind of hush hush over there.
Sack got hold of Lenny's digitalis and rang him up he couldn't talk much  but said admin leadership was quote unquote" a cesspool"! Said he'd call me back because didn't know specifics and really could care less but felt Richey was set up for failure from beginning and never had a chance in long term!! Wish Sack had more and probably will have! Sad situation! Keep your head up Coach! Sack will buy you some corn and a pop!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 03, 2019, 05:17:50 pm
Thanks for update Sack.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on February 03, 2019, 07:28:35 pm
Quote from: riccoar on December 15, 2018, 10:04:51 pm
Possible it's that mixed with the politics he seemed to have to deal with. But I believe he went to another hotbed of talent.

Really riccoar.  Really.  Vilonia boys is a hotbed.  Lol
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 03, 2019, 10:12:08 pm
Oh my!!! Sack still has no iron clad details BUT Sack did call Lenny Harris back this afternoon as Sack promised because Sack believes in such things cause Sacks momma raised him right as it seems others Mommas obviously did not if you know what I mean! Lenny answered on first ring hullo and Sack said what's up bud! Silence! Sack said this is Sack but it ain't my real name Lenny said what's up! Sack said Richey Wonderview got anything! Lenny said not really!! Did say he'd had about 8300 phone calls and texts from parts here and yon! Seems everybody wants to know what's up!! Lenny didn't know specifics cause ain't nobody manning up to say but he did tell me stuff that gave Old Sack a preponderance of thinking!! After what Sack heard Sack wants to humbly invite a few WVers over the the First Freeway Baptist Restoration Church of Edgemont so they can be churched a bit! Sack thinks they are in some desperate need of churching on the Golden Rule!! Doing lots of people wrong just wrong if you know what I mean!! Maybe they'll do Coach Richey right somewhere along the line! Sack hopes he speaks for all of Fearless in hoping so!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 01:57:15 pm
I don't know what happened over there but I have 2 good friends that are from there and both said that it wasn't anything bad.  Really surprised me that they put Squires as the girls coach.  Sounds really crazy over there.  My friend made reference to a fox in a hens house and told me some stories of some things that happened a few years back.  Weird coming from his former player but there must some serious issues there.  Sounds like that coach got shafted to me. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 04, 2019, 04:13:46 pm
I hate it for coach Richey but make no mistake Wonderview girls just got better. Squires will work the girls a lot harder. I expect to see a different team. We shall see
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 04:46:12 pm
If what I was told was true about Richey and what Squires former player told me about him are true.  It changes my views on Wonderview administration greatly.  Unbelievable Richey got shafted they should be ashamed.  But from what I've heard lots of shady things up there the past few years.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Bigleague on February 04, 2019, 05:43:59 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 04, 2019, 04:13:46 pm
I hate it for coach Richey but make no mistake Wonderview girls just got better. Squires will work the girls a lot harder. I expect to see a different team. We shall see
You hate it for Richey?  Then you say wonderview just got better. I don't think you hate it at all!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 04, 2019, 06:26:41 pm
I hate it for him. Seems to be a good dude. That doesn't make him a good coach. I didn't like the hire but I still feel for him. I feel the girls were out of shape. That will get fixed. I would have been fine with him coaching no matter the outcome. I'm just saying I feel like we upgraded
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2019, 06:28:01 pm
So....why he get the boot?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 08:13:49 pm
So I went to watch my little cousin from Guy play tonight at Rural Special and noticed that Whitcock? was coaching the Concord Jr Boys maybe Concord done the same thing with Cornett as Wonderview did with Richey?  Maybe it's the new trend. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 08:43:05 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 04, 2019, 06:26:41 pm
I hate it for him. Seems to be a good dude. That doesn't make him a good coach. I didn't like the hire but I still feel for him. I feel the girls were out of shape. That will get fixed. I would have been fine with him coaching no matter the outcome. I'm just saying I feel like we upgraded
Seems like there are lots of double standards and hush hush things going on over there.  Former players talking!  Administration should really be embarrassed and do the right thing.  The things they let slide with one coach then make up stuff on another?  Weird over there! 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sweep on February 04, 2019, 08:53:15 pm
Quote from: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 08:13:49 pm
So I went to watch my little cousin from Guy play tonight at Rural Special and noticed that Whitcock? was coaching the Concord Jr Boys maybe Concord done the same thing with Cornett as Wonderview did with Richey?  Maybe it's the new trend.

Cornett was sick so Whillock was filling in. The Concord Jr. Boys were supposed to win that game anyways so it wasn't a big deal
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 04, 2019, 09:12:10 pm
Quote from: Sports Loser on February 04, 2019, 08:43:05 pm
Seems like there are lots of double standards and hush hush things going on over there.  Former players talking!  Administration should really be embarrassed and do the right thing.  The things they let slide with one coach then make up stuff on another?  Weird over there!
Sack read this twice to make durn sure Sack was readin the writin right and not reading wrong writin but Sack thinks you are sayin that some of Squires formers are saying  shady shady white gravy!! Did Sack read the writin right there Loser in Sports to which Sack can certainly relate!! Give Sack them digital Sack will call em up
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 04, 2019, 09:58:52 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 04, 2019, 06:26:41 pm
I hate it for him. Seems to be a good dude. That doesn't make him a good coach. I didn't like the hire but I still feel for him. I feel the girls were out of shape. That will get fixed. I would have been fine with him coaching no matter the outcome. I'm just saying I feel like we upgraded
So being a good dude but not a good coach is what this is really about where Squires is a good coach but not a good dude!! Once again is Sack readin the writin right!! Point number 2 is if you know anything about conditioning it was a process when the Boss had us back in the day! Can't see him making much headway there in a week or two with three games per week! Sack says nice try though broham!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 05, 2019, 06:28:24 am
Quote from: SackAttack on February 04, 2019, 09:12:10 pm
Sack read this twice to make durn sure Sack was readin the writin right and not reading wrong writin but Sack thinks you are sayin that some of Squires formers are saying  shady shady white gravy!! Did Sack read the writin right there Loser in Sports to which Sack can certainly relate!! Give Sack them digital Sack will call em up
I'm confused by your post.  This is what I know.  Coach Richey got shafted and Squires has a whole bunch in the closet that administration has covered up that is being told now by former players.  Maybe people are getting tired of watching administration treat good people bad over there.  I think Motown knows the story he should just shed the light on it.  I'm not from the area directly just know several people from there and former players.  I really think Richey has gotten ripped off and Wonderview administration is the shadiest I know. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 05, 2019, 07:26:26 am
Quote from: Bigleague on February 03, 2019, 07:28:35 pm
Really riccoar.  Really.  Vilonia boys is a hotbed.  Lol
I assumed he was going for the girls position.  But Vilonia and Greenbrier's talent pool will start to deepen as more people move into those areas and away from Conway.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 05, 2019, 07:38:54 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2019, 06:28:01 pm
So....why he get the boot?
Million dollar question.  I've asked someone and they confirmed the post on Feb. 2nd saying Squires rest of the way.  But even they have not heard why.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 08:39:57 am
What seems to be a good guy lost his job so it's not right to put out on a board. My personal opinion is there were mistakes made on all parties involved. If the things happened that I was told then it wasn't smart on Coach's part. I wish him the best. I hope the hiring committee finds someone they can fully support on the next hire assuming they hire. I know some 1A schools just use one coach for all. That's too much in my opinion
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: hogman1886 on February 05, 2019, 08:57:39 am
How are their Jr. Girls? Could get a good coach in there if they have a lot of talent coming up.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 09:01:32 am
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 08:39:57 am
What seems to be a good guy lost his job so it's not right to put out on a board. My personal opinion is there were mistakes made on all parties involved. If the things happened that I was told then it wasn't smart on Coach's part. I wish him the best. I hope the hiring committee finds someone they can fully support on the next hire assuming they hire. I know some 1A schools just use one coach for all. That's too much in my opinion
sack reads this to say you wish him the best but you ain't sorry he was replaced by a despicable shady admin! Gotcha!! Sack says if you ain't part of the solution then you part of the problem! Sack says the boat at WV is taking on water and the boat is full of similar minded people! Again hope the altar was full Sunday during the invitation
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 05, 2019, 09:13:31 am
Quote from: hogman1886 on February 05, 2019, 08:57:39 am
How are their Jr. Girls? Could get a good coach in there if they have a lot of talent coming up.

They have a tall (6'-0" or taller) 7th grader that will cause trouble in a few years, but other than that they have a lot of developing to do with the other talent they have now.  They lost to MVE Jr. girls by more than 20 in the opening round of the jr. district tournament.                         
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 05, 2019, 09:16:28 am
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 08:39:57 am
What seems to be a good guy lost his job so it's not right to put out on a board. My personal opinion is there were mistakes made on all parties involved. If the things happened that I was told then it wasn't smart on Coach's part. I wish him the best. I hope the hiring committee finds someone they can fully support on the next hire assuming they hire. I know some 1A schools just use one coach for all. That's too much in my opinion

Wow, what an odd time to fire a coach.  I guess 15-1 in the best conference in the classification isn't good enough?  What are they going to do to the coach next year when they lose their best talent from this team?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 05, 2019, 09:18:37 am
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 08:39:57 am
What seems to be a good guy lost his job so it's not right to put out on a board. My personal opinion is there were mistakes made on all parties involved. If the things happened that I was told then it wasn't smart on Coach's part. I wish him the best. I hope the hiring committee finds someone they can fully support on the next hire assuming they hire. I know some 1A schools just use one coach for all. That's too much in my opinion
So was he simply removed from coaching OR terminated from WV all together?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 09:31:51 am
I don't know for sure terminated as employee I just know he is no longer a coach. I'm assuming he is gone all together. Everything is pretty tight lipped.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 05, 2019, 09:43:03 am
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 05, 2019, 09:31:51 am
I don't know for sure terminated as employee I just know he is no longer a coach. I'm assuming he is gone all together. Everything is pretty tight lipped.

That's probably a good thing, if he got terminated (from coachingat least) at this time, it has to be about something other than coaching, and just might be nobody's business but his and administration. My post above about his coaching record was a knee jerk reaction and probably unfounded, looking forward to a good district tournament. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Special K on February 05, 2019, 10:15:44 am
Well it looks like some more Liberals are at work at Wonderview.  Impeached the Coach before he could finish his term.  He had a 23-6 record and 15-1 Conference not to shabby in my book.  This guy right here is just to nice for his own good.
Best dressed Coach in the 1A Conference for sure.  Maybe in his next job he needs to trade in the suit and tie for a suit of Armor to prevent all the back stabbing Liberals from controlling his job.  Final Note,  At some point in the Administration when do you draw the line on sports being so much more than a good education.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 10:47:17 am
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 10:15:44 am
Well it looks like some more Liberals are at work at Wonderview.  Impeached the Coach before he could finish his term.  He had a 23-6 record and 15-1 Conference not to shabby in my book.  This guy right here is just to nice for his own good.
Best dressed Coach in the 1A Conference for sure.  Maybe in his next job he needs to trade in the suit and tie for a suit of Armor to prevent all the back stabbing Liberals from controlling his job.  Final Note,  At some point in the Administration when do you draw the line on sports being so much more than a good education.
Wearing a suit and tie coaching 1a ball?  That's enough to fire a guy right there!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: BlueBird4Life on February 05, 2019, 11:34:04 am
Quote from: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 10:47:17 am
Wearing a suit and tie coaching 1a ball?  That's enough to fire a guy right there!

I've always went by the motto, "Don't dress for the job you have, dress for the job you want."  Nothing wrong with wearing a suit and tie, no matter what classification you coach.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 11:58:28 am
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 10:15:44 am
Well it looks like some more Liberals are at work at Wonderview.  Impeached the Coach before he could finish his term.  He had a 23-6 record and 15-1 Conference not to shabby in my book.  This guy right here is just to nice for his own good.
Best dressed Coach in the 1A Conference for sure.  Maybe in his next job he needs to trade in the suit and tie for a suit of Armor to prevent all the back stabbing Liberals from controlling his job.  Final Note,  At some point in the Administration when do you draw the line on sports being so much more than a good education.
Boom! Shakalaka!! Boom!! Great first post!! Book learning was very important during Sacks 5 years in school!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 12:07:29 pm
Quote from: BlueBird4Life on February 05, 2019, 11:34:04 am
I've always went by the motto, "Don't dress for the job you have, dress for the job you want."  Nothing wrong with wearing a suit and tie, no matter what classification you coach.
LOL ok.  I immediately think this guy takes himself way too seriously
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 12:55:29 pm
Quote from: BlueBird4Life on February 05, 2019, 11:34:04 am
I've always went by the motto, "Don't dress for the job you have, dress for the job you want."  Nothing wrong with wearing a suit and tie, no matter what classification you coach.

I miss the days of coaches looking sharp.  I'd love to see someone pull out the attire of Slick Rick McKinney. 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 01:14:03 pm
Quote from: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 12:55:29 pm
I miss the days of coaches looking sharp.  I'd love to see someone pull out the attire of Slick Rick McKinney.
Never heard of him
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 01:14:12 pm
Quote from: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 12:55:29 pm
I miss the days of coaches looking sharp.  I'd love to see someone pull out the attire of Slick Rick McKinney.
Go up to Northeast Arkansas and see one Brandon Brannomon from Bay!! Them high top Lebruns purple and gold untied last year at state was lit Sack thought or maybe it was because Sack was lit if you know what I mean
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 01:16:33 pm
Quote from: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 01:14:03 pm
Never heard of him
That just blew all your posting credentials on this board
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 01:17:49 pm
Quote from: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 01:16:33 pm
That just blew all your posting credentials on this board

Amen!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 05, 2019, 01:19:07 pm
Quote from: scrapdig on February 05, 2019, 01:14:03 pm
Never heard of him
Scrap must be 12
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 05, 2019, 01:56:20 pm
Does anyone know if he was terminated or just informed he won't be back after this school year?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Basketballfan13 on February 05, 2019, 03:33:10 pm
Quote from: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 12:55:29 pm
I miss the days of coaches looking sharp.  I'd love to see someone pull out the attire of Slick Rick McKinney. 
The days of seeing coaches like Slick Rick are long gone, people are way to soft for some of the things he would say!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 03:37:20 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 05, 2019, 01:56:20 pm
Does anyone know if he was terminated or just informed he won't be back after this school year?
Does it really matter!! Don't to Sack!! Sack more worried about the motives and shady underhandedness!! Sack remembers Boss taking us over there and everything being up and up! Good sportsmanship, friendly folks, and great competition! And then you now have these types of deals that are commonplace
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Ctucker on February 05, 2019, 03:40:35 pm
Quote from: Basketballfan13 on February 05, 2019, 03:33:10 pm
The days of seeing coaches like Slick Rick are long gone, people are way to soft for some of the things he would say!
[/quote. How is slick doing did he get his life strait?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Special K on February 05, 2019, 03:52:59 pm
Let's not bash Slick Rick now that he has turned his life around.  It's probably all the crap he had to put up with from the pressure to win in the first place.  He was in the beginning of times for sure.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 05, 2019, 04:04:03 pm
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 03:52:59 pm
Let's not bash Slick Rick now that he has turned his life around.  It's probably all the crap he had to put up with from the pressure to win in the first place.  He was in the beginning of times for sure.
Sack agrees!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Ctucker on February 05, 2019, 04:07:08 pm
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 03:52:59 pm
Let's not bash Slick Rick now that he has turned his life around.  It's probably all the crap he had to put up with from the pressure to win in the first place.  He was in the beginning of times for sure.
glad he has changed what is he doing now?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Oxford Cat on February 05, 2019, 04:38:05 pm
One of the most memorable coaching battles I've witnessed was McKinney/Strother vs Smith/King in the 06 Regional final Midland vs Cave City. The first six rows behind the benches should have been roped off with signs saying no women and children allowed. Great game that the Cavemen eventually won.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: BlueBird4Life on February 05, 2019, 04:38:31 pm
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 03:52:59 pm
Let's not bash Slick Rick now that he has turned his life around.  It's probably all the crap he had to put up with from the pressure to win in the first place.  He was in the beginning of times for sure.

I didn't see where anyone is bashing him?  The dude could flat out coach....
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Woodrow1 on February 05, 2019, 04:43:06 pm
Quote from: Special K on February 05, 2019, 03:52:59 pm
Let's not bash Slick Rick now that he has turned his life around.  It's probably all the crap he had to put up with from the pressure to win in the first place.  He was in the beginning of times for sure.

I'll assure you that I wasn't bashing Rick. He was always styling and profiling. And did an excellent job with his teams. They always played extremely hard and were tough.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Sports Loser on February 05, 2019, 05:36:28 pm
I heard some more about the Wonderview situation today and I'm thinking that maybe this was administrations plan the whole time.  Do that to Coach Richey and let the things that Squires has done this year and years past go? 
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: scrapdig on February 06, 2019, 08:11:26 am
Ok so what is up with the Squires guy?  What's he done?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 06, 2019, 09:54:25 am
Quote from: scrapdig on February 06, 2019, 08:11:26 am
Ok so what is up with the Squires guy?  What's he done?
Yes, either spill it or send it through PM.  I don't get why it's so hush hush.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: officialvsfan on February 07, 2019, 06:59:18 am
Quote from: Ctucker on February 05, 2019, 04:07:08 pm
glad he has changed what is he doing now?

I know he's Reffing now
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 07, 2019, 10:42:13 pm
Quote from: officialvsfan on February 07, 2019, 06:59:18 am
I know he's Reffing now
Well well Sack has found out more truths on the matter and Sack reports confirmation that Richey is still employed but banished to the classroom as not!  Confirmed no coaching duties as Squires will do all coaching that he was inevitable to do anyway through shady dealings and underhanded dealings commonplace and everyday wise since beginning!! Everybody knows Sack loves corn and pop! For the price of corn and pop Sack would curl your toes if you know what I mean! Quad A investigative team is Primo High Seed
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 11:23:29 am
Quote from: SackAttack on February 07, 2019, 10:42:13 pm
Well well Sack has found out more truths on the matter and Sack reports confirmation that Richey is still employed but banished to the classroom as not!  Confirmed no coaching duties as Squires will do all coaching that he was inevitable to do anyway through shady dealings and underhanded dealings commonplace and everyday wise since beginning!! Everybody knows Sack loves corn and pop! For the price of corn and pop Sack would curl your toes if you know what I mean! Quad A investigative team is Primo High Seed
I would imagine a 1 year contract.   Guessing if he stays it will only be to teach.  He left Westside to take the Wonderview job.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 08, 2019, 12:03:25 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 11:23:29 am
I would imagine a 1 year contract.   Guessing if he stays it will only be to teach.  He left Westside to take the Wonderview job.

I thought he got ran out of town?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 12:12:36 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 08, 2019, 12:03:25 pm
I thought he got ran out of town?
No.  The only thing taken away were his duties as Girls basketball coach.  Shane Davis was removed as Boys basketball coach.  Richey was assigned to other sports.  So he was still coaching at Westside, just not as Jr. or Sr. High Girls basketball coach.  Never terminated.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 08, 2019, 12:30:41 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 12:12:36 pm
No.  The only thing taken away were his duties as Girls basketball coach.  Shane Davis was removed as Boys basketball coach.  Richey was assigned to other sports.  So he was still coaching at Westside, just not as Jr. or Sr. High Girls basketball coach.  Never terminated.

10-4
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 12:36:51 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 11:23:29 am
I would imagine a 1 year contract.   Guessing if he stays it will only be to teach.  He left Westside to take the Wonderview job.

Doubt he stays, if he is out as a coach there then his salary will be reduced, too far to drive and take a pay cut, imo.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 12:52:20 pm
Quote from: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 12:36:51 pm
Doubt he stays, if he is out as a coach there then his salary will be reduced, too far to drive and take a pay cut, imo.
He left Westside because he wants to coach basketball.  If he leaves Wonderview, it will be because that option is no longer available as well.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 01:02:28 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 12:52:20 pm
He left Westside because he wants to coach basketball.  If he leaves Wonderview, it will be because that option is no longer available as well.

He got nudged out after the season last year at WS right?  Seems like he has some success with his teams, wonder what it is that schools don't like about him?  Was this hire by Wonderview a panic hire because of the timing of it?
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 01:26:38 pm
Quote from: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 01:02:28 pm
He got nudged out after the season last year at WS right?  Seems like he has some success with his teams, wonder what it is that schools don't like about him?  Was this hire by Wonderview a panic hire because of the timing of it?
People didn't like the leadership of the Boys or Girls and wanted change.  So, they took away those responsibilities from the current coaches and put them on other sports.

Richey is a great guy, but IMHO, too nice of a guy to be coach.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 08, 2019, 01:34:10 pm
Quote from: riccoar on February 08, 2019, 01:26:38 pm
People didn't like the leadership of the Boys or Girls and wanted change.  So, they took away those responsibilities from the current coaches and put them on other sports.

Richey is a great guy, but IMHO, too nice of a guy to be coach.
agree totally
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: royalhoops on February 08, 2019, 01:36:53 pm
Quote from: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 12:36:51 pm
Doubt he stays, if he is out as a coach there then his salary will be reduced, too far to drive and take a pay cut, imo.
Typically when you get reassigned, they cannot reduce your salary.
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 08, 2019, 02:17:37 pm
Quote from: Flobbito on February 08, 2019, 01:02:28 pm
He got nudged out after the season last year at WS right?  Seems like he has some success with his teams, wonder what it is that schools don't like about him?  Was this hire by Wonderview a panic hire because of the timing of it?
Sacks sources swear it was all a devious scheme cooked up with Squires taking over just in the nick of time to save the day ala Mighty Mouse cartoon style! According to Motownguy he's got them in tip-top shape in the last three days!! Not a panic hire at all sauté Sack but rather all in the plan hatched long ago!! Sacks sources choose not to be divulged or implicated but are rather knowledgeable! Amazing what former players will tell you when not treated with respect and loyalty!!
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: Motownsportsfan on February 08, 2019, 02:52:44 pm
Quote from: SackAttack on February 08, 2019, 02:17:37 pm
Sacks sources swear it was all a devious scheme cooked up with Squires taking over just in the nick of time to save the day ala Mighty Mouse cartoon style! According to Motownguy he's got them in tip-top shape in the last three days!! Not a panic hire at all sauté Sack but rather all in the plan hatched long ago!! Sacks sources choose not to be divulged or implicated but are rather knowledgeable! Amazing what former players will tell you when not treated with respect and loyalty!!
no time to get in tip top shape but will be in better shape. I was told the same as you about the plan all along but I'm not sure I'm buying everything being sold. You yourself Sack didn't understand the hire when it was made
Title: Re: Wonderview new girls coach
Post by: SackAttack on February 08, 2019, 10:04:03 pm
Quote from: Motownsportsfan on February 08, 2019, 02:52:44 pm
no time to get in tip top shape but will be in better shape. I was told the same as you about the plan all along but I'm not sure I'm buying everything being sold. You yourself Sack didn't understand the hire when it was made
Yes Sack didn't understand the hire as the masses did not even the Boss himself!! Hey f Boss don't understand it then it can't be understood!! Sack says don't buy it if it ain't on sale but this little theory came cheap from very reputable sources of a many! One person says it zero credibility two people say it scratch your chin 3-4 people say it and you got smoke and Sack says where there's smoke there's fire!! Sack nods in superior knowledge and inside info from reputable sources