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Title: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on December 16, 2017, 09:27:45 am
What is next year going to look like in the 7A? In the West I would say BVW is the favorite with FV right behind them. In the Central my guess is Bryant and NLR at the top.

Thoughts???
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: GRN R H-2 X-Deep Over on December 16, 2017, 03:05:23 pm
West was surprising in the regular season but disappointing their last two games. They probably do worse in the regular season next year with better postseason success.

I watched the title game on YouTube and man was I impressed by NLR's offense: easily my favorite team to watch in 7A with the diversity of presentation and unique schemes. Their quarterback impressed me a lot more than Bentonville's. Perhaps Bville's was a converted running back based on his jersey number?

My guess right now is NLR and West in the title game next year.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: SouthpawSensation on December 17, 2017, 12:04:55 pm
Quote from: GRN R H-2 X-Deep Over on December 16, 2017, 03:05:23 pm
West was surprising in the regular season but disappointing their last two games. They probably do worse in the regular season next year with better postseason success.

I watched the title game on YouTube and man was I impressed by NLR's offense: easily my favorite team to watch in 7A with the diversity of presentation and unique schemes. Their quarterback impressed me a lot more than Bentonville's. Perhaps Bville's was a converted running back based on his jersey number?

My guess right now is NLR and West in the title game next year.

Bentonville's quarterback originally wore No. 5 when the season started, but he switched to No. 20 as a tribute to his teammate, a running back who suffered an injury before the season started and never returned.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: TigerHawg on December 18, 2017, 06:00:51 am
Got to see some depth at the end of the season for the Tigers. The QB was my big question mark but from the last two drives in the state champ game I think they will do fine in that position. Will be a competitive year for sure in both divisions. I think it will come down to who's team can stay the healthiest in the stretch.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: businesstron on December 18, 2017, 06:56:39 pm
I'd say West and Fayetteville will be major contenders from the West.  Probably NLR and Bryant from the Central.  Bentonville could creep up into that conversation again  I think they have some good players coming back as well. 

I'm not sure where Harber goes though and I'm expecting there will be a dropoff at Conway.

Northside will probably be better but not a major contender though maybe 3rd or 4th place at best.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on December 31, 2017, 03:17:44 pm
LR Central will win it all.  Scooter has been holding back and has a plan in place to run the table this year and then retire on top.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Brian G on January 01, 2018, 02:00:22 pm
The off season news is the apparent mass exodus of players from Har-Ber headed to Springdale.

In this case, it's more about players wanting out than another school recruiting them.

Not all a done deal yet, but when school starts back up it'll be clearer.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Walter on January 01, 2018, 02:05:10 pm
Why?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 01, 2018, 02:06:55 pm
I heard that rumor, so it is true?  Kids wanting out of Har-Ber.  That to me would indicate HC issues.  Is that it? Also how to they change schools without moving residenences
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Brian G on January 01, 2018, 02:23:01 pm
I believe most of the players involved plan to move residences.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 01, 2018, 02:24:54 pm
Any scuttlebutt on why they are going?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 03, 2018, 12:48:29 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 01, 2018, 02:00:22 pm
The off season news is the apparent mass exodus of players from Har-Ber headed to Springdale.

In this case, it's more about players wanting out than another school recruiting them.

Not all a done deal yet, but when school starts back up it'll be clearer.

They are officially enrolled and attending Springdale High School.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 03, 2018, 03:58:14 pm
Wow, the opportunity to "move" in NW AR never ceases to amaze me. Don't like your school/coach, just say I'm moving. Mighty suspicious when there's more than one at a time doing it. Makes NLR look like mere amateurs.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Brian G on January 03, 2018, 04:27:26 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 03, 2018, 12:48:29 pm
They are officially enrolled and attending Springdale High School.
I don't think there was ever a doubt.

One will transfer after basketball season.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: beach bum on January 03, 2018, 04:41:13 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 03, 2018, 03:58:14 pm
Wow, the opportunity to "move" in NW AR never ceases to amaze me. Don't like your school/coach, just say I'm moving. Mighty suspicious when there's more than one at a time doing it. Makes NLR look like mere amateurs.

If coaches can leave at the drop of a hat for a better opportunity in life.... So should the kids. Sorry, but fair is fair.

Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 03, 2018, 04:54:32 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 03, 2018, 04:27:26 pm
I don't think there was ever a doubt.

One will transfer after basketball season.
The hoops player is already there too. He decided to go ahead and get started.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 03, 2018, 05:06:06 pm
Not sure what coaching moves apply in this situation, this isn't college. Families sometimes have to move for a new job, a personal situation, etc., but in those cases everybody packs up and moves many miles to their new town & it is an incredibly stressful event. This recruiting crap is nothing like that & getting a PO Box or acting like you moved in with Uncle Billy is just ridiculous. Sounds like all the transfers picked Springdale as their new school. Magical!
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 03, 2018, 05:09:59 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 03, 2018, 05:06:06 pm
Not sure what coaching moves apply in this situation, this isn't college. Families sometimes have to move for a new job, a personal situation, etc., but in those cases everybody packs up and moves many miles to their new town & it is an incredibly stressful event. This recruiting crap is nothing like that & getting a PO Box or acting like you moved in with Uncle Billy is just ridiculous. Sounds like all the transfers picked Springdale as their new school. Magical!

Why are you so mad about this? And there is a process they must go through to become eligible to participate in athletics.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 03, 2018, 05:28:19 pm
Wouldn't classify it as "mad" just flabbergasted at the tilted advantages of being able to pick and choose who gets to stock up on players in NWA & LR. Keep me posted on the passing the "transfer process". If any or all are ruled ineligible, then I will gladly stand corrected.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Brian G on January 03, 2018, 05:47:54 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 03, 2018, 05:06:06 pm
Not sure what coaching moves apply in this situation, this isn't college. Families sometimes have to move for a new job, a personal situation, etc., but in those cases everybody packs up and moves many miles to their new town & it is an incredibly stressful event. This recruiting crap is nothing like that & getting a PO Box or acting like you moved in with Uncle Billy is just ridiculous. Sounds like all the transfers picked Springdale as their new school. Magical!
I'm generally inclined to agree with the amount of "transfers" that occur and the shenanigans that can accompany such a move.

As I stated up front, this is not one of those cases.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 03, 2018, 08:51:46 pm
Quote from: beach bum on January 03, 2018, 04:41:13 pm
If coaches can leave at the drop of a hat for a better opportunity in life.... So should the kids. Sorry, but fair is fair.

That same rational I quess applies to a double shot of whiskey.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Baitshop on January 03, 2018, 09:06:55 pm
No one at HarBer should say a word about "stealing" players or you must "live" in the district....

Many of us remember the blatant gerrymandering of the attendance lines by John Tyson when HarBer opened and he was trying to build a State Championship basketball team so that his son could get a ring....the lines would go down one street in a neighborhood to make sure that the right kid was in the HarBer district. It was obvious and intended.

Oh, and despite John Tyson's efforts they STILL didn't get the ring...karma's a biotch.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: beach bum on January 03, 2018, 09:14:45 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 03, 2018, 08:51:46 pm
That same rational I quess applies to a double shot of whiskey.

Ummm.... No.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 03, 2018, 09:43:33 pm
Kids just shouldn't be able to pick up and move, it would wreak havoc on school systems if a player could just go year after year to a new school because he got a better offer.  You go to school where you live, just the way it is.  Of course some folks don't have a belief in neighborhood schools. 
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 04, 2018, 10:05:13 am
Just curious, what happens to the real Springdale players that have put in the work for their real school? Do you think they (& their parents) are all overjoyed with this new development? Where do they now transfer? Hey, here's an idea, Fayetteville is about to get reloaded with the offspring of the new Hog coaching/AD staff, hmmm. 
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: businesstron on January 04, 2018, 10:53:11 am
What exactly happened to cause all these players to want to transfer?   I remember sitting with a couple of the players father at Harber's benefit game this year and they were pretty critical of the coaches and pointed out alot of the teams problems.   At that point i took it with grain of salt because Harber was the favorite to win it all and they looked okay beating Bixby.  But it turned out by the end of the season they were spot on the problems the team had.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 04, 2018, 07:10:28 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 04, 2018, 10:05:13 am
Just curious, what happens to the real Springdale players that have put in the work for their real school? Do you think they (& their parents) are all overjoyed with this new development? Where do they now transfer? Hey, here's an idea, Fayetteville is about to get reloaded with the offspring of the new Hog coaching/AD staff, hmmm.
They are probably going to keep working hard and not whine like you about the situation.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: beach bum on January 04, 2018, 07:33:59 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 04, 2018, 07:10:28 pm
They are probably going to keep working hard and not whine like you about the situation.

I nearly typed this word for word earlier so thank you for doing so...
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 05, 2018, 11:07:04 am
That is rich! Hard not to notice that those on the tilted side of the field call out anyone not. While I'm continuing my whine, how about you insiders answering Businesstron's question, what happened?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Brian G on January 05, 2018, 11:17:46 am
6 players have made the move.
5 more likely.

This is a reversal of the movement that normally occurs in Sdale.  Most flight has been toward Har-Ber over the years.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 05, 2018, 12:49:36 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 05, 2018, 11:07:04 am
That is rich! Hard not to notice that those on the tilted side of the field call out anyone not. While I'm continuing my whine, how about you insiders answering Businesstron's question, what happened?
Not calling you out, just stating that you seem to be more upset about this than those involved. The reception at SHS has been very positive. I am sure there are some that are not happy with it but that is part of life.

As for what happened, this board is not the place to discuss the details that led to these moves. It is better discussed over a cold one at a local tap room.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 05, 2018, 01:14:27 pm
Fair enough RVW. I'm sure the SHS coaches are elated & the real players are in a rock-and-a-hard-place situation. The AAA & the entire 7A should be upset. As I have said, if anyone is required to sit out, then I stand corrected. Have a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Old57 on January 05, 2018, 07:54:51 pm
I don't know why AAA or 7A would be upset about this. Nobody was recruited and everything is being done by the rules. Nobody says anything about Harber basketball having a whole new roster every year. Also, just because a kid transfers from Harber to Springdale doesn't mean he will beat out the Springdale player. Springdale has gotten better every year under Clark and has some pretty good players returning.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 06, 2018, 02:35:18 pm
Quote from: Old57 on January 05, 2018, 07:54:51 pm
I don't know why AAA or 7A would be upset about this. Nobody was recruited and everything is being done by the rules. Nobody says anything about Harber basketball having a whole new roster every year. Also, just because a kid transfers from Harber to Springdale doesn't mean he will beat out the Springdale player. Springdale has gotten better every year under Clark and has some pretty good players returning.
The best post on this thread.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 06, 2018, 07:03:04 pm
So these kids are moving from the Har-Ber district into the Sdale district?  Momma and Daddy moving, making a change of residence and taking junior with them? 
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 06, 2018, 08:41:30 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 06, 2018, 07:03:04 pm
So these kids are moving from the Har-Ber district into the Sdale district?  Momma and Daddy moving, making a change of residence and taking junior with them?
None of the kids involved are named junior.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 07, 2018, 06:38:18 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 06, 2018, 08:41:30 pm
None of the kids involved are named junior.

Whatever their name may be, are they moving or transferring enrollment?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 07, 2018, 07:04:56 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 07, 2018, 06:38:18 pm
Whatever their name may be, are they moving or transferring enrollment?
Just curious as to why everyone is suddenly concerned with this transfer? No one asked any questions last year when several players left LR schools and wound up at LR Parkview or when players have left Springdale High to attend Harber in multiple sports over the past few years. Why is everyone so concerned on whether or not they are changing residence?

As for question regarding transferring enrollment or moving???? Stay tuned.....
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: theoleballcoach on January 07, 2018, 09:48:41 pm
Didn't you know? It is okay for kids to move from Springdale to Har-Ber. Just not the other way around.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 08:30:32 am
Quote from: theoleballcoach on January 07, 2018, 09:48:41 pm
Didn't you know? It is okay for kids to move from Springdale to Har-Ber. Just not the other way around.

Yeah it's a conspiracy.  Really its just idle curiousity.  Har-Ber's been pretty good, expected to be state champs this past season and they didn't do as well as many thought they would.  So, just wondering if there is a noticable issue or just itchy feet.  Plus, I thought you had to move residence of sit a year.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 09:12:39 am
Quote from: RZback on January 08, 2018, 08:30:32 am
Yeah it's a conspiracy.  Really its just idle curiousity.  Har-Ber's been pretty good, expected to be state champs this past season and they didn't do as well as many thought they would.  So, just wondering if there is a noticable issue or just itchy feet.  Plus, I thought you had to move residence of sit a year.
Fair enough.

It is more than just itchy feet and I will just leave it at that. As for eligibility, moving residence is the simplest and cleanest way to become eligible. Although there have been exceptions made in the past all around the state depending on the individuals student/athlete situation.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 08, 2018, 10:51:24 am
Quote from: Old57 on January 05, 2018, 07:54:51 pm
I don't know why AAA or 7A would be upset about this. Nobody was recruited and everything is being done by the rules. Nobody says anything about Harber basketball having a whole new roster every year. Also, just because a kid transfers from Harber to Springdale doesn't mean he will beat out the Springdale player. Springdale has gotten better every year under Clark and has some pretty good players returning.

You have kind of inadvertently made my point for me:
1) Somebody should say something if Harber basketball is reloading each year.
2) I agree that Harber players are not guaranteed to beat out the Springdale players. But I doubt anyone is transferring to sit. Depth in the 7A is critical & if Springdale has gotten better under Clark, then they should shine with 11 new regulars.
 
As for why no one questioned the LR transfers: Why? Because no one outside of the situation is aware of what is happening until it goes down. So fly under the radar! There is one important similarity, both Springdale & LR have only one school board that has to bless the transfers. I am not naïve and firmly believe everyone should look after their own, but no one can convince me that something wasn't pre-arranged here.   
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 08, 2018, 10:51:24 am
You have kind of inadvertently made my point for me:
1) Somebody should say something if Harber basketball is reloading each year.
2) I agree that Harber players are not guaranteed to beat out the Springdale players. But I doubt anyone is transferring to sit. Depth in the 7A is critical & if Springdale has gotten better under Clark, then they should shine with 11 new regulars.
 
As for why no one questioned the LR transfers: Why? Because no one outside of the situation is aware of what is happening until it goes down. So fly under the radar! There is one important similarity, both Springdale & LR have only one school board that has to bless the transfers. I am not naïve and firmly believe everyone should look after their own, but no one can convince me that something wasn't pre-arranged here.   

If you honestly think something was prearranged then I can tell you for a fact that you are wrong. No need to fly under the radar when you aren't trying to be sneaky and hide things. Thats the difference between cheating and making a move that is all involved feel like is the right thing to do. As a matter of fact these kids faced up to their former coaches at Harber and told them in person of their intent to leave the program well before the end of the semester. I guarantee other 17 year old kids in similar situations did not do the same.

In reality all of the kids involved are more than likely going to have to change residence in order to be eligible. The kids and parents all knew that when the decision was made and all are prepared to make moves if that's what it takes. So for that reason there is no need to fly under the radar and nothing was prearranged, contrary to what your narrow minded opinion is.

You are right about these kids not transferring to sit. As a matter of fact 4 of them were starters at Harber over the past 2 years. Did you know that or would that matter to you Franco?

So cheaters will cheat and you do not need to classify this situation in with any other schools who actively recruit and we all know who they are. Feel free to continue to throw your 2 cents in and perhaps you will become more educated about what is going on outside of your small world.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 08, 2018, 01:35:35 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
If you honestly think something was prearranged then I can tell you for a fact that you are wrong. No need to fly under the radar when you aren't trying to be sneaky and hide things. Thats the difference between cheating and making a move that is all involved feel like is the right thing to do. As a matter of fact these kids faced up to their former coaches at Harber and told them in person of their intent to leave the program well before the end of the semester. I guarantee other 17 year old kids in similar situations did not do the same.

In reality all of the kids involved are more than likely going to have to change residence in order to be eligible. The kids and parents all knew that when the decision was made and all are prepared to make moves if that's what it takes. So for that reason there is no need to fly under the radar and nothing was prearranged, contrary to what your narrow minded opinion is.

You are right about these kids not transferring to sit. As a matter of fact 4 of them were starters at Harber over the past 2 years. Did you know that or would that matter to you Franco?

So cheaters will cheat and you do not need to classify this situation in with any other schools who actively recruit and we all know who they are. Feel free to continue to throw your 2 cents in and perhaps you will become more educated about what is going on outside of your small world.

Flying under the radar does not necessarily have to be blatant cheating, just not advertising the situation, like on this forum. Quite obviously, the usual suspects are quite known. I had no previous knowledge of this until I read it here & I have learned a lot. And I'm not surprised that the players told the coaches their intentions (& BTW, it was pretty obvious that they were contributors and that they would not be going to sit. I said as much). But I am surprised that in my narrow minded small world, I am supposed to believe that the players individually decided where ALL would transfer together & that not one person said anything to anyone at Springdale prior. I wish no one any ill-will and sincerely believe what I said, everyone should take care of their own. I would just hate to see all high school athletics turn into an AAU basketball mentality where it's no holds barred.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 02:02:55 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 08, 2018, 01:35:35 pm
Flying under the radar does not necessarily have to be blatant cheating, just not advertising the situation, like on this forum. Quite obviously, the usual suspects are quite known. I had no previous knowledge of this until I read it here & I have learned a lot. And I'm not surprised that the players told the coaches their intentions (& BTW, it was pretty obvious that they were contributors and that they would not be going to sit. I said as much). But I am surprised that in my narrow minded small world, I am supposed to believe that the players individually decided where ALL would transfer together & that not one person said anything to anyone at Springdale prior. I wish no one any ill-will and sincerely believe what I said, everyone should take care of their own. I would just hate to see all high school athletics turn into an AAU basketball mentality where it's no holds barred.
Believe it or not these players met together on their own and decided what to do. They have played together in multiple sports since they were in he 1st grade so they are a close knit group. For various reasons they wanted to move to SHS together and stay together.

So yes I expect you to believe that there was nothing illegal done from a recruiting standpoint and that this group of kids made an adult decision as a group on what they collectively wanted to do. Believe it or not there are kids who are pretty responsible and have the ability to decide what they want to do without having parents hold their hand. And there are parents who empower their kids to make decisions and understand the potential risks and consequences involved.

Think what you want, and look all you want but there is no smoking gun in this instance. Someone stated earlier in this thread that it wasn't so much about wanting to go somewhere but more about wanting to leave.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 06:28:56 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 09:12:39 am
Fair enough.

It is more than just itchy feet and I will just leave it at that. As for eligibility, moving residence is the simplest and cleanest way to become eligible. Although there have been exceptions made in the past all around the state depending on the individuals student/athlete situation.

I've seen a few of those "special" exceptions made in the past.  Rules should be closely monitored but unfortunately, "rules are made to be broken".
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 06:33:05 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 02:02:55 pm
Believe it or not these players met together on their own and decided what to do. They have played together in multiple sports since they were in he 1st grade so they are a close knit group. For various reasons they wanted to move to SHS together and stay together.

So yes I expect you to believe that there was nothing illegal done from a recruiting standpoint and that this group of kids made an adult decision as a group on what they collectively wanted to do. Believe it or not there are kids who are pretty responsible and have the ability to decide what they want to do without having parents hold their hand. And there are parents who empower their kids to make decisions and understand the potential risks and consequences involved.

Think what you want, and look all you want but there is no smoking gun in this instance. Someone stated earlier in this thread that it wasn't so much about wanting to go somewhere but more about wanting to leave.

This explanation just sounds odd.  A fairly large group of Har-Ber athletes just happen to get together all on their own and decided it was in each of their own best interest to transfer schools.  Well, did they just decide to get mom and dad to move out of one district and into another because I believe that is still the rule you must make a bonafide move into the new district. That sounds strange.  How many kids is it up to, I heard between 11 and 17.  So possibly that many families are moving?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 08, 2018, 07:16:39 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 08, 2018, 06:33:05 pm
This explanation just sounds odd.  A fairly large group of Har-Ber athletes just happen to get together all on their own and decided it was in each of their own best interest to transfer schools.  Well, did they just decide to get mom and dad to move out of one district and into another because I believe that is still the rule you must make a bonafide move into the new district. That sounds strange.  How many kids is it up to, I heard between 11 and 17.  So possibly that many families are moving?

Doesn't matter whether you think it sounds odd or not; it's the truth. Only 6 kids have made the move for SHS at this time and I have no idea if any others are making the move.

Keep trying to think there is something else going on. It makes me laugh. Ask yourself one question. Why do people, kids are adults, decide to make a change in their life? I will let you answer that yourself.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 07:45:31 pm
Just saying, not that many families sell a house and move to make kids happy.  But, maybe so.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 09, 2018, 11:47:13 am
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 07, 2018, 07:04:56 pm
Just curious as to why everyone is suddenly concerned with this transfer? No one asked any questions last year when several players left LR schools and wound up at LR Parkview or when players have left Springdale High to attend Harber in multiple sports over the past few years. Why is everyone so concerned on whether or not they are changing residence?

As for question regarding transferring enrollment or moving???? Stay tuned.....
I'm concerned about this kind of thing wherever it happens.  The AAA should crack down in a serious way.  The free agent attitude of high school players has become ridiculous.  And further enhancing this attitude of entitlement that too many teenagers have.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 09, 2018, 12:16:43 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 09, 2018, 11:47:13 am
I'm concerned about this kind of thing wherever it happens.  The AAA should crack down in a serious way.  The free agent attitude of high school players has become ridiculous.  And further enhancing this attitude of entitlement that too many teenagers have.
If moves are done within the rules that AAA sets then what is there to crack down on?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: humphd2 on January 09, 2018, 03:21:50 pm
Van Buren had a tough a season in 2017 but will be markedly improved in 2018.  They return all skill guys, especially a monster at receiver and a healthy QB that will be on the radar in 2018.  Tough conference for the smallest school in all of 7A but will surprise some in 2018.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 09, 2018, 07:14:18 pm
Finally someone to get us back on topic. I thought VB would be good last year but I was definitely wrong. They do have a good group coming back and I think they will be improved at the QB position. The loss of Green will be tough.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 10, 2018, 10:19:06 am
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 09, 2018, 12:16:43 pm
If moves are done within the rules that AAA sets then what is there to crack down on?
Do you think every move between schools is made with the AAA rules?  Namely, a bona fide change of residence?  There was a kid in Van Buren who went to every school around.  His parents were well off so they bought little houses here and there but never moved out of VB.  And he wasn't that great a player.  The kid from Southside a couple of years ago who was always in trouble suddenly playing at Fayetteville.  Mom and dad, who were divorced, never moved from Ft Smith.  And that's just two quick examples from my little sphere of knowledge.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Baitshop on January 10, 2018, 10:57:43 am
The Southside kid's Mom lived and worked in Fayetteville. FYI
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 10, 2018, 12:31:57 pm
Quote from: Grizzlyfan on January 10, 2018, 10:19:06 am
Do you think every move between schools is made with the AAA rules?  Namely, a bona fide change of residence?  There was a kid in Van Buren who went to every school around.  His parents were well off so they bought little houses here and there but never moved out of VB.  And he wasn't that great a player.  The kid from Southside a couple of years ago who was always in trouble suddenly playing at Fayetteville.  Mom and dad, who were divorced, never moved from Ft Smith.  And that's just two quick examples from my little sphere of knowledge.

No Grizz I do not think all moves are done within the AAA rules. I was just asking you the question if the moves are within the rules then what is there to crack down on. 

I have a better example for you that for the life of me I don't understand. Twin brothers started their sophomore year at the same high school. For their junior and senior seasons, one stayed with the original school and the other one played for the school on the other side of town. How in the heck does that happen? And yes this is a true story.

Today's world is different and there are options and opportunities for those that choose to pursue something different. And the reality is high school athletics is now a part of that changing world. If people have he means to make a change and they desire to make a change then they have that option.

Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 12:54:33 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 09, 2018, 07:14:18 pm
Finally someone to get us back on topic. I thought VB would be good last year but I was definitely wrong. They do have a good group coming back and I think they will be improved at the QB position. The loss of Green will be tough.

Tough climb, i wouldnt bet on it.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 10, 2018, 02:49:34 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 10, 2018, 12:54:33 pm
Tough climb, i wouldnt bet on it.
Dang RZback I was trying to make the VB faithful have a little optimism heading into the season. You just slapped them back to reality
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 06:48:21 pm
Not meant personally, but they are down and have a way to go.  I just think its going to be a very tough job and not a fast one.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: humphd2 on January 10, 2018, 07:55:02 pm
I definitely know how tough it is for VB but you can always hope.  Not easy when you are the smallest school in all of 7A.  What will be the state of Rogers and Rogers Heritage for this next season?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 08:03:54 pm
I'd be surprised to see much out of either.  Only 3 combined conference wins.  Heritage only 1 and Rogers 2.Rogers won 5 games but not a strong conference showing. If VB can make strong improvement they could challenge there maybe.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: humphd2 on January 12, 2018, 07:55:05 am
What will the 7A West rankings be preseason do you guys think?  I know VB will be your last but how about the others?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 12, 2018, 03:52:10 pm
So, has the board decided on the transfers?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 12, 2018, 05:13:07 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 12, 2018, 03:52:10 pm
So, has the board decided on the transfers?
Are you referring to the school board? I don't think they have a say in the transfers. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 12, 2018, 05:33:10 pm
Yes I was referring to the school board. I thought they were the first step. So it's all on AAA?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 12, 2018, 05:40:21 pm
Quote from: francocat on January 12, 2018, 05:33:10 pm
Yes I was referring to the school board. I thought they were the first step. So it's all on AAA?
I believe it is
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 13, 2018, 09:31:43 am
Quote from: humphd2 on January 12, 2018, 07:55:05 am
What will the 7A West rankings be preseason do you guys think?  I know VB will be your last but how about the others?
I see BVW on top followed close by FV. BV will reload and be in the mix as well. I like VB and expect them to finish in front of the Rogers schools. Not sure where SHS and HB will fall.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: bbishop on January 13, 2018, 10:53:26 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 12, 2018, 05:40:21 pm
I believe it is
The district might have a say....are the not transferring within the district?  I know if students transfer between districts in Pulaski County both districts have to sign off on it.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 09:32:19 am
Quote from: bbishop on January 13, 2018, 10:53:26 pm
The district might have a say....are the not transferring within the district?  I know if students transfer between districts in Pulaski County both districts have to sign off on it.
Yes they are transferring within the district and everything has been approved by both schools.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 02:18:03 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 09:32:19 am
Yes they are transferring within the district and everything has been approved by both schools.

Isn't this the type thing that people always complain about, except when the players are coming to their schools.  Districts and AAA should not allow this without the proper waiting period unless a legitimate move.  Causes a lot of problems.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 02:48:32 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 14, 2018, 02:18:03 pm
Isn't this the type thing that people always complain about, except when the players are coming to their schools.  Districts and AAA should not allow this without the proper waiting period unless a legitimate move.  Causes a lot of problems.
So let me ask you this. What are kids supposed to do when they are in a situation that has created issues which are beyond repair? At all other levels in life people have the option to go elsewhere. You don't like your job, go get a new one. A college athlete no longer fits the vision of the coaching staff and they have discarded him, he can transfer.

In this situation the coaches no longer want these kids and the kids don't want to be there. Why not let both sides get a fresh start? Before you go making blanket statements about how this shouldn't be allowed and kids need to sit out for a year, remember there could always be circumstances that have created a situation where a fresh start is the best for both sides.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 03:02:54 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 02:48:32 pm
So let me ask you this. What are kids supposed to do when they are in a situation that has created issues which are beyond repair? At all other levels in life people have the option to go elsewhere. You don't like your job, go get a new one. A college athlete no longer fits the vision of the coaching staff and they have discarded him, he can transfer.

In this situation the coaches no longer want these kids and the kids don't want to be there. Why not let both sides get a fresh start? Before you go making blanket statements about how this shouldn't be allowed and kids need to sit out for a year, remember there could always be circumstances that have created a situation where a fresh start is the best for both sides.

Pardon me, there are always circumstances, like the kid don't like the coach.  Not a reason to allow blanket transfers in a system that has districting as part of its rules.  If you want to allow kids to go where-ever without rules or just because they want too, then do away with the rules.  Kids are fickle, parents are fickle.  You have rules so the system has some structure.  You should be able to pick and choose where and when you move unless you really did move. I know it goes on but it shouldn't.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 03:14:17 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 14, 2018, 03:02:54 pm
Pardon me, there are always circumstances, like the kid don't like the coach.  Not a reason to allow blanket transfers in a system that has districting as part of its rules.  If you want to allow kids to go where-ever without rules or just because they want too, then do away with the rules.  Kids are fickle, parents are fickle.  You have rules so the system has some structure.  You should be able to pick and choose where and when you move unless you really did move. I know it goes on but it shouldn't.
So you called out kids and you called out parents but you didn't answer my question regarding legit issues with a coach? There needs to be accountability for everyone involved, coaches included. It goes well beyond just "not liking a coach". I understand where you are coming from but all situations are not equal.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 04:41:42 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 03:14:17 pm
So you called out kids and you called out parents but you didn't answer my question regarding legit issues with a coach? There needs to be accountability for everyone involved, coaches included. It goes well beyond just "not liking a coach". I understand where you are coming from but all situations are not equal.

Well, I didn't call any names.  If talking about a situation is calling them out then a lot of that happens on this site.  In fact thats most of what goes on.  If there are other issues that can be reasonably supported then have at it. You have on the other hand laid the blame at the feet of the school, athletic department, AD, HC, football staff and who knows who else you have implicated.  You my friend have "called them out". 
Nontheless, if you allow kids to transfer because of these "circumstances" then kids will do this without regard to overall affects on the sport or the rules of the AAA.  If there is a true problem, then the offended persons should take it to the school officials.  If that is done and the problems are severe enough to warrant a mass transfer then the problem must be pretty serious and maybe the people at the head of that program have questions to answer.  I haven't seen any evidence of that being the case.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gameoflife on January 14, 2018, 04:52:08 pm
Ouch.  That Har-Ber failed to reach the title is curious and I hear some people are questioning that.  Maybe it plays into the desire for these students to move?  I am also skeptical of so many kids moving schools at the same time.  Back in the day nobody like our coaches but they didn't move.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 14, 2018, 05:51:02 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 14, 2018, 04:41:42 pm
Well, I didn't call any names.  If talking about a situation is calling them out then a lot of that happens on this site.  In fact thats most of what goes on.  If there are other issues that can be reasonably supported then have at it. You have on the other hand laid the blame at the feet of the school, athletic department, AD, HC, football staff and who knows who else you have implicated.  You my friend have "called them out". 
Nontheless, if you allow kids to transfer because of these "circumstances" then kids will do this without regard to overall affects on the sport or the rules of the AAA.  If there is a true problem, then the offended persons should take it to the school officials.  If that is done and the problems are severe enough to warrant a mass transfer then the problem must be pretty serious and maybe the people at the head of that program have questions to answer.  I haven't seen any evidence of that being the case.

I don't believe I stated any names either. In your previous post you only mentioned kids and parents and all I did in my post was add there needs to be accountability for everyone involved, including coaches, when there are issues.

Also I didn't lay the blame on anyone. I simply put a scenario in front of you and once again you ran with it and twisted it to fit your agenda. The AAA does have a set of rules that are supposed to be followed when kids change schools regardless of the why behind it. It is up to those involved to present a case supporting why eligibility should be allowed for those situations that fall outside of the points provided by the AAA.

In my opinion people SHOULD be asking lots of questions as to why these kids wanted to leave, but no one seems to care except for those on this board. It is not normal to kids who only have their senior year of high school left to decide to go elsewhere.

From what I have seen most people, including yourself, are just going to whine and gripe about the eligibility of these kids and try to keep them from being able to play instead of asking the question, why are they all leaving?

In the words of the great Snoop Dogg, just chill til the next episode.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 08:49:14 pm
Actually I did ask "why"  but got no answer.  All I did get was you putting blame on the coach.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 08:51:36 pm
Your words.  "In this situation the coaches no longer want these kids and the kids don't want to be there."  Sounds like blaming the coaches to me.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gameoflife on January 14, 2018, 08:57:11 pm
Play nice boys.  RVW you act as though you have some extra information that might clear up the difference of opinion?  Or you are defending a certain group or perhaps one or two? 
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gameoflife on January 14, 2018, 08:59:14 pm
I will say that when a program isn't doing as well as was thought would happen then blame becomes pretty common place.  I do know there have been a few changes on the staff over a few years that may have hurt.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 15, 2018, 06:39:59 am
Quote from: RZback on January 14, 2018, 08:51:36 pm
Your words.  "In this situation the coaches no longer want these kids and the kids don't want to be there."  Sounds like blaming the coaches to me.
Take it how you want I guess. It's over and done with and both sides have moved on. As for the "why" you won't get that answer here. Those close to the situation know why. Hopefully it will make everyone involved reflect and change as they move forward, players and coaches.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2018, 10:21:38 am
Just as a last comment, not getting the answers is why people get put out over some of the things that go on in sports.  It always seems somebody is playing favorites.  IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: francocat on January 15, 2018, 11:34:08 am
So with no inside info and after review, here's my take on what happened:
HB Coach: "If you don't like it, transfer".
Players: "OK, if you insist".

And then:
RVW: "Psst, I know a juicy secret".
Us: "What is it?"
RVW: "Can't tell you".

If there's enough unrest at HB that 13 players transfer, then I would say the coaches days are numbered. I wish the best for all the families involved, but, it really does seem like a bad precedent is about to be set.   
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 15, 2018, 11:44:02 am
Quote from: francocat on January 15, 2018, 11:34:08 am
So with no inside info and after review, here's my take on what happened:
HB Coach: "If you don't like it, transfer".
Players: "OK, if you insist".

And then:
RVW: "Psst, I know a juicy secret".
Us: "What is it?"
RVW: "Can't tell you".

Probably the best way to summarize everything..... well done Franco


If there's enough unrest at HB that 13 players transfer, then I would say the coaches days are numbered. I wish the best for all the families involved, but, it really does seem like a bad precedent is about to be set.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 15, 2018, 02:07:12 pm
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on January 15, 2018, 11:44:02 am

Kind of a shame that this is where we are at with high school athletics.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 15, 2018, 02:17:33 pm
I saw this quote on twitter just a few minutes ago and it fits perfectly here.

One high school coach can make you hate everything about the sport you fell in love with as a kid and that's depressing.

You are right RZ, it is a shame this is where we are at with high school athletics.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 15, 2018, 02:30:31 pm
Let me add this, what if I told you that the treatment of one player was so bad that it prompted an entire group to leave. I don't mean hard coaching, I mean awful belittling treatment in front of the whole team on a frequent basis. Would that change your perspective on this matter?
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: RZback on January 15, 2018, 05:03:15 pm
Hopefully the student and his parents tried to work out the problems before such a drastic step had to be considered.  Good luck to those kids.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Rob Van Winkle on January 16, 2018, 01:52:41 pm
RZ they did try and work things out but to no avail. It just turned ugly in a hurry and came to a point where there was no chance of reconciliation. Appreciate you wishing the kids luck. I wish others would put the best interest of the kids first.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gojackets14 on January 16, 2018, 09:07:09 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't both HB and Springdale have "academies" or something along those lines that offer a certain type of classes? I think each school offers different types of classes, thus making transferring a lot easier to do than within other school districts.

Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2018, 10:55:35 am
One thing you can bet on is that unless something criminal was done, which I'm not suggesting, you will most likely never know what happened.
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Razorback Red on February 01, 2018, 07:25:29 pm
Quote from: RZback on January 08, 2018, 07:45:31 pm
Just saying, not that many families sell a house and move to make kids happy.  But, maybe so.

Maybe not historically, but it has become the norm in the last 10 years.  When you have seven 7A schools in a 30-mile stretch of each other, and then throw in four (3 powerhouse) 4A programs in that same area, it's really easy to pick the system that fits your kid.  Thousands of parents are already making the drive on I49 every day to work, so regardless of where you work, it is very, very easy to move to the school district you want your kids in to maximize their potential. 

I don't have an issue with this as long as it is done within the rules.  It's simply the world we live in now. 
Title: Re: 2018 talk
Post by: Razorback Red on February 01, 2018, 07:36:05 pm
Quote from: humphd2 on January 12, 2018, 07:55:05 am
What will the 7A West rankings be preseason do you guys think?  I know VB will be your last but how about the others?

Here is my opinion as of 2/1/18:

1.  Fayetteville
2.  Bentonville
3.  West
4.  Springdale
5.  Harber
6.  VB
7.  Rogers
8.  Heritage