Now how can we tell who's the most hated person on the Softball forum?
Any nominations????
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I nominate the grand poobah of dryness.......................
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purpledog!
no wait...
can I pick two???!!!
anything.....
that ends with holic. :-X
or three?!!!!
that begins with momof..... ;)
Quote from: NormalTherman on February 28, 2007, 11:34:24 am
I nominate the grand poobah of dryness.......................
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purpledog!
Oh my GOD!!!!!! I have a new hero... NORMAL THERMAN for Emperor of the Softball Universe.
I second his nomination. Purpledog! for all time most hated.
Move to close nominations!!!!!
I nominate Truth B. Told....haven't seen him in awhile....but he was a JACKA$$ !!!!
Ouch, somebody help me get this knife out of my back!
KittenFanz, I can understand where you'd be getting tired of always being a bridesmaid, but...... Normal Therman too?
Man, I thought we were buds, but now the truth is out..... :'(
Quote from: Purple Dog on February 28, 2007, 03:15:48 pm
Ouch, somebody help me get this knife out of my back!
KittenFanz, I can understand where you'd be getting tired of always being a bridesmaid, but...... Normal Therman too?
Man, I thought we were buds, but now the truth is out..... :'(
No, we're all just sick of your know-it-all attitude, and your stupid threads "Who has the nicest field?" Nobody cares. Besides, we do, and no bums live in the restrooms either.
Your kid graduated, they won the championship, congratulations. Go away, it's someone else's turn.
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For the record...i like purple dog and i am not from fayetteville! It was not long ago people were asking where purpledog was???
Quote from: passion4thegame on February 28, 2007, 04:01:52 pm
...It was not long ago people were asking where purpledog was???
The world is full of stupid people
Purpledog you would need to watch your back because folks like that never come straight up. I for sure don't have to defend your reputation as someone who has done as much for Arkansas Fastpitch as anybody in the state. What we need is a lot more purpledogs and a lot less Tigerfanz if the game is to continue to grow in quality in the this state.
Come on guys- From what I have read, Purple Dog shoots straight from the hip, and a lot of people I guess do not like that- I do- and for the record, I too am not from the Fayetteville area-
I got no beef with purpledog. Or momof, dadof, ..holic, ...3, etc. What I don't understand is newbies with 1 month of FF time jumping on here and calling people out. GIVE ME A BREAK! You haven't been around long enough to even understand karma. You couldn't tell anything about anybody by their karma. The good posts did not mean you received a clap. It didn't take a bad post to get slapped. All you had to do was offend some idiot who was too stupid to post and the slaps would begin. Some people like you actually made little
gay clubs so they could run someone's slaps up. It meant absolutely nothing. I guess now people will have to find other ways to show their brilliance. Like maybe, a picture of two hands clapping with NO SOUND.
Quote from: TigerFanz on February 28, 2007, 11:11:52 am
Now how can we tell who's the most hated person on the Softball forum?
Any nominations???? TigerPanz
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oh ..take a joke you buncha babies..............
it's the smack that makes it fun.
Even softball gets boring after the millionth post of the best pitcher and how everybodies daughter is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
get over it.
Quote from: Purple Dog on February 28, 2007, 03:15:48 pm
Ouch, somebody help me get this knife out of my back!
KittenFanz, I can understand where you'd be getting tired of always being a bridesmaid, but...... Normal Therman too?
Man, I thought we were buds, but now the truth is out..... :'(
Purpledog....I am the true tigerfan from Bentonville and Tigerfanz must be from Prairie Grove.....because we don't claim him.
Quote from: TigerFanz on January 18, 2007, 02:25:27 pm
It isn't that she went somewhere, rather a question of eligibility. Personally, I was very sorry to hear about it, and don't think the details are important or need to be discussed in this forum. I figured PD would be able to confirm.
Wasn't long ago KittyFanz was looking to PD for the latest info! Unfortunately, he/she (9th grader's dad is my guess) doesn't do much for the rep of Bentonville.
FYI...Purple Dog has been around for a while and has been of great help to those that have actually been on this board for more than a few months. For you to join in and jump all over a "vet" is just like a "rookie" that will never make it!
Give respect where it is due! I mean, who DOESN'T want to win a state title?!? Should we dog the DAWGS or find out what makes/made them successful? Especially from someone that has showed nothing but class, knowledge, and understanding on here.
PD...take the haters for what they are. You have nothing but respect here and it would be a tragedy for members like you to go away.
I don't think this board is just for those that have daughters on high school teams, high school players, or high school coaches. I don't remember checking any of those boxes when I registered. It should be for all those who
appreciate our sport.
One
clap for you PD and I'll take a
slap from those of you who hate all the winners out there!
I know this is not related to the topic, but DADOF24 where is your daughter now?
Southern Arkansas University
For the record, I've known PurpleDog since his summer team played slowpitch. In fact, I can remember him saying how boring the game of fastpitch was, and how much better slowpitch was back when the first High Schools converted. Strange that someone that was so anti-fastpitch has become so revered by some of you folks.
My daughter's team played against his for years, sometimes we won, sometimes they won. Never cared for him much then, care less for him now.
I've followed FF for years, mostly on football, just never took the time to post (notice the "who has the best field" reference that was posted more than a year ago).
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Quote from: TigerFanz on January 18, 2007, 02:25:27 pm
It isn't that she went somewhere, rather a question of eligibility. Personally, I was very sorry to hear about it, and don't think the details are important or need to be discussed in this forum. I figured PD would be able to confirm.
Wasn't long ago KittyFanz was looking to PD for the latest info! Unfortunately, he/she (9th grader's dad is my guess) doesn't do much for the rep of Bentonville.
Give respect where it is due! I mean, who DOESN'T want to win a state title?!? Should we dog the DAWGS or find out what makes/made them successful? Especially from someone that has showed nothing but class, knowledge, and understanding on here.
FYI, I knew that McGill was gone, just didn't want to get into the details. I like the kid. She was smart and quit PD years ago.
As far as winning the state title, I guess you just have to get enough kids to transfer in each year. Let's see, Reed in 2004, Grams in 2005, McGill (not the one suspended) and Goodwin in 2006. Not bad. I see McGill hit a homer last night to beat VB.
Yeah, I see what makes them successful.
Ouch!!! And I thought I pi$$ed of the folks from Fayetteville last year.
So, it has nothing to do with the most hated in the softball forum. It's just a personal vendetta. My bad. Carry on.
shall we resort back to ancient terminology.....
and start referring to PD as the mauve cur?
Excellent reference Normal, now that's old school. Well, a year anyway.
Quote from: NormalTherman on February 28, 2007, 11:52:57 pm
shall we resort back to ancient terminology.....
and start referring to PD as the mauve cur?
This is getting good! If nobody ever got their feathers ruffled up a bit on here, it would be no fun. Lord knows I have taken my lumps [deservedly most of the time], but I keep coming back for more.
QuoteFor the record, I've known PurpleDog since his summer team played slowpitch. In fact, I can remember him saying how boring the game of fastpitch was, and how much better slowpitch was back when the first High Schools converted.
So now you've finally revealed yourself. Exactly how many names have you posted under? I've had the same username since 2004. What about you? Earl is my hero, The Real Deal. TigerFanz,........what else?
You're right. That was exactly my sentiment about fastpitch. Back when fastpitch first began in Arkansas, it was simply a matter of who had the best pitcher, and it really wasn't very much fun. But we all saw that change was inevitable, so our team switched over to fastpitch and we've never looked back. Nowadays, fastpitch is a great game.
QuoteFYI, I knew that McGill was gone, just didn't want to get into the details. I like the kid. She was smart and quit PD years ago.
Amber did quit, but you conveniently failed to mention that she came back and rejoined the team. Didn't you know that?
Quote(notice the "who has the best field" reference that was posted more than a year ago).
I'm glad that you brought that up. Fayetteville used to play in a run-down men's park, but several parents and boosters got together and turned it into a really nice softball field. Forgive me for being proud of that.
Since we're on the subject, it's my understanding that Bentonville now has a brand new ballpark, complete with an artificial turf outfield. Congratulations, on a job well done up there.
Tigerfan - I'm sorry, I did think it was you at first. I should've known better. Bentonville is full of classy people and I'm proud to call many of them my friends.....just not all of them.
True Fan - You absolutely nailed it! This is indeed a personal vendetta that dates back about 5 years ago.
I also want to say thanks to everyone for writing things that have been supportive. It looks like eventually everyone here gets attacked if they hang around long enough. Don't worry, I won't be bullied away by this nonsense.
You go dog. Will we be seeing the purple one at today's FHS vs Gentry game?
Purpledog, keep posting. I have not always agreed with everything you have posted, however I try to see things from different angles. I am also sure that not everyone agrees with what I post but I have always RESPECTED your opinion and others. Keep posting and hopefully people that have an ax to grind can do so some where other than a message board. Just my two cents.
Quote from: Purple Dog on March 01, 2007, 10:50:33 am
Amber did quit, but you conveniently failed to mention that she came back and rejoined the team. Didn't you know that?
How can that be? I understand getting a second chance, but a third? What kind of school policy does Fayetteville have for failing a random test(s)? Did they bend the rules a little?
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Quote from: Purple Dog on March 01, 2007, 10:50:33 am
Amber did quit, but you conveniently failed to mention that she came back and rejoined the team. Didn't you know that?
How can that be? I understand getting a second chance, but a third? What kind of school policy does Fayetteville have for failing a random test(s)? Did they bend the rules a little?
We were referring to a summer team, and not the high school team.
Ernie, I'm a little under the weather, but if I feel well enough, I'll get out there.
I sure hated to hear that, it seems like such a waste. Some kids these days tend to live in the moment and not think about the fallout of their actions. I hope everything works out in the end.
Wait a minute!
Don't drag me into this. Everyone knows who I am, and I don't care. If I have something to say, I'll say it and sign my name. I've stirred up enough around here, and have a no-comment policy, unless it's about me or rules interpretation. I have commitments that are better served if I don't get involved in all this.
I admit I'm not one of PD's fans, but I pretty much leave him alone, and he leaves me alone. We used to be good friends, and spent hours talking softball. I don't think PD can say that I've ever been less than cordial to him.
I've never been involved in slow-pitch in Arkansas, we were fastpitch when we moved here.
As far as I remember, we never played against each other. The only time I coached, we were 12U and you were 14U.
I do remember you not being real happy about the change to FP, but that was a LLLOOONNNGGG time ago.
Remember, if you think something here came from me, just call me. I'll tell you. I think you know me well enough to know I say what's on my mind. It's for that very reason I normally choose to say nothing at all on FF.
Purpledog................I know to well how it feels when someone behind a made up name tries to get something started...........There are lots of things you've posted in the past that I have not agreed with and I'm sure you could say the same of me.........
Attacks like you and others receive makes me sad...... :(...........Blow it off.........in the end you will be the better person...........
A friend from the south.....
DJ
Hey...Pappa's got a brand new bag.... ;)
how easy you posters forget about your favorite son.
I wasn't even nominated.
you freakin' losers.
Ah, the weak minded are such easy prey. Fingers pointing in all directions.
Welcome back Willy! I'm a big fan.
Back on TOPIC!
My vote would go to anyone who has a rare metal in their screen name
and lives in Oklahoma. ;) 8) ;D
Quote from: Badger Blast on March 01, 2007, 01:57:35 pm
Back on TOPIC!
My vote would go to anyone who has a rare metal in their screen name
and lives in Oklahoma. ;) 8) ;D
TXDAD gets my vote.
ooohhh-I can't stand it! I am with you MACK!
Quote from: cpsmom on March 01, 2007, 02:18:33 pm
ooohhh-I can't stand it! I am with you MACK!
I know that hurt dear! ;)
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Quote from: Badger Blast on March 01, 2007, 01:57:35 pm
Back on TOPIC!
My vote would go to anyone who has a rare metal in their screen name
and lives in Oklahoma. ;) 8) ;D
TXDAD gets my vote.
+1, I'll be back in an hour. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
...and I guess everyone forgot about me too. I was the guy from Oklahoma that had a daughter that no one thought much of, even though her batting average and fielding percentages were well above most of those who made All-State. Oh c'mon, you remember! I was well known for saying that Arkansas softball had a ways to go before being on par with surrounding states. Oh yeah, I wasn't afraid to say the Ladybacks needed to recruit better...now that one raised some eyebrows. Sorry Purpledog, I think I got you beat, LOL.
BTW, I'm not afraid to brag. My little girl went on to earn a starting infield position at a D1 school. Sadly though, she has given up softball. She told me "Dad, I always played for fun, and its just not fun anymore". :'( I guess I have to agree with her decision, but it sure hurts to be away from the ballpark. Hope to see some of you this season.
GO PURPLEDAWGS!
Hey-ya'll can pick a summer team and go watch together now. Or put together a team and coach together! Put those skills and all that knowledge to use man!
:) :D ;D
2 strike...how could she have a starting position if she couldn't even make it to Thanksgiving break? Come on....give me a break. You get my vote.
Purple Dog...........First, not everyone in Bentonville is a dog basher.....Second, not all of us mind being bridesmaids to you sweet cheeks. That usually means we are pretty good. And third, don't get angry and call all of us kittenfanz and talk about our second place finishes. It is not respectful to most in Bentonville.
Don't burn down the village because of the village IDIOT!!!!
Quote from: Krusty the Klown on March 01, 2007, 03:53:36 pm
2 strike...how could she have a starting position if she couldn't even make it to Thanksgiving break? Come on....give me a break. You get my vote.
Well I guess I say that because that is what the coach told her and I. She was to be the starter at second base and hitting #2 in the lineup. He said that her leaving the team put him in a real bind because that was one of the positions he was sure about. Maybe he was lying, and I'm wrong....wouldn't be the first time.
Thanks for the vote ;D
Thanks to all that have supported me with your votes ;D Hey, I don't post on these boards to make friends and spew rosy colored stories that aren't true. I just post my opinion (yes, everyone has one) and try to relay my experiences as I have lived in 4 states that have FP softball. And yes, I did coach at one time and currently assists a few colleges in finding players.
I know that the truth hurts sometimes, but most are not happy with me saying that AR softball is below most of the states around them. Just look at D1 rosters around the country... how many Ark girls and how many play. If you exclude UA, the number of schools is reduced by a lot. And, there is 1 DII school in the state that would give UA a good run for their money every time out. I have looked at the stats for UA and it seems that AR girls are having a difficult time adjusting and they haven't even gotten to the meat of their schedule yet.
Once again, thanks for all of your support. Keep those votes coming. :)
All together now------------
Kum ba yah, my Lord, Kum ba yah...
Quote from: txdad on March 01, 2007, 06:55:27 pm
Thanks to all that have supported me with your votes ;D Hey, I don't post on these boards to make friends and spew rosy colored stories that aren't true. I just post my opinion (yes, everyone has one) and try to relay my experiences as I have lived in 4 states that have FP softball. And yes, I did coach at one time and currently assists a few colleges in finding players.
I know that the truth hurts sometimes, but most are not happy with me saying that AR softball is below most of the states around them. Just look at D1 rosters around the country... how many Ark girls and how many play. If you exclude UA, the number of schools is reduced by a lot. And, there is 1 DII school in the state that would give UA a good run for their money every time out. I have looked at the stats for UA and it seems that AR girls are having a difficult time adjusting and they haven't even gotten to the meat of their schedule yet.
Once again, thanks for all of your support. Keep those votes coming. :)
I don't think most would disagree with you when you say we are behind other states in FP. I think you get your votes because of the way you seem to relish telling us how inferior our girls are. You get a kick out of it with your air of superiority. We could sit here and expound on why TX, for instance, is ahead of us, when a large part of the reason is simply the law of large numbers. Greater population gives greater chances of having a large pool of great athletes to choose from. This would be even more obvious in summer ball with greater numbers to choose from than High School. There are softball minds here in Arkansas that are the equals of any you will find in TX[ yeah, yours too]. These are coaches that go to out-of-state tournaments and clinics to further their knowledge. And TXDAD, two teams from Arkansas just went to High School tournaments in Marshall and Longview TX just last week. Guess what? They pretty much kicked the beejeezus out of every TX team they played. 1st and 2nd place- Gold Division..
I must admit, I thought of you often as the kicking proceeded.
+1
Quote from: ganglion on March 01, 2007, 09:00:20 pm
I don't think most would disagree with you when you say we are behind other states in FP. I think you get your votes because of the way you seem to relish telling us how inferior our girls are. You get a kick out of it with your air of superiority. We could sit here and expound on why TX, for instance, is ahead of us, when a large part of the reason is simply the law of large numbers. Greater population gives greater chances of having a large pool of great athletes to choose from. This would be even more obvious in summer ball with greater numbers to choose from than High School. There are softball minds here in Arkansas that are the equals of any you will find in TX[ yeah, yours too]. These are coaches that go to out-of-state tournaments and clinics to further their knowledge. And TXDAD, two teams from Arkansas just went to High School tournaments in Marshall and Longview TX just last week. Guess what? They pretty much kicked the beejeezus out of every TX team they played. 1st and 2nd place- Gold Division..
I must admit, I thought of you often as the kicking proceeded.
Thanks for the feedback Ganglion. I don't think I ever said the coaching in Arkansas wasn't up to par with other states. I really think the reason nearby states are ahead of Ar is because they have been playing it longer. Even when it wasn't in high schools in Texas, there were still city and summer leagues that played fastpitch and yes, there was slowpitch too. However, the fastpitch at that time was only a few months out of the year... summer. Now, as we all know, it is a year round sport.. or at least the girls work at it all year.
As for the Ark teams beating Texas teams, that is great. As we all know in sports, especially true in Baseball and softball, there are a lot of variables that come into play in a tournament. I don't doubt that the Ark teams were better than those they faced that weekend. They beat them and that is what counts. However, it is not uncommon for a HS team in a metro area of the state to have 2-5 DI players on a roster. That is not to say all HS teams do, but it isn't an oddity. Why is that? Well, some of that goes back to how long these girls have been playing FP and the coaches of those schools come to TX to recruit.
I'm sure the sport is improving in AR. I saw some college ball a few weeks ago in Ar and saw some "local" girls. They are improving. I just try to "keep it real" when people get on this board and try to convince us all that the level of play in the state is among the best. Truth is.... it isn't there yet, moving that direction, but you have to have competitive summer teams. 5-6 years ago, you wouldn't hardly find an Ark team play outside the state boundaries. Now, it is a common occurrence.
The views I have of Ar ball isn't just me. Check with people in OK, La, Mo. I think you will hear the same comments. Why? Not much representation in the past in the "big" tournaments. That is changing. My only constructive criticism for now is: play more ASA ball.
Quote from: 2_strike_hitter on March 01, 2007, 03:12:17 pm
...and I guess everyone forgot about me too. I was the guy from Oklahoma that had a daughter that no one thought much of, even though her batting average and fielding percentages were well above most of those who made All-State. Oh c'mon, you remember! I was well known for saying that Arkansas softball had a ways to go before being on par with surrounding states. Oh yeah, I wasn't afraid to say the Ladybacks needed to recruit better...now that one raised some eyebrows. Sorry Purpledog, I think I got you beat, LOL.
GO PURPLEDAWGS!
different name same ol' big fartin' purple whiner.
MACK! Why did you have to rattle that monkeys cage?
Arkansas-LOVE IT or LEAVE IT! And don't dis our athletes-any of them!
Quote from: cpsmom on March 02, 2007, 08:16:54 am
MACK! Why did you have to rattle that monkeys cage?
Arkansas-LOVE IT or LEAVE IT! And don't dis our athletes-any of them!
And what DI will your daughter be attending to play ball?
That is yet to be determined. But it has nothing to do with the state of softball in Arkansas.
Quote from: cpsmom on March 02, 2007, 10:21:38 am
That is yet to be determined. But it has nothing to do with the state of softball in Arkansas.
You said I dissed the athletes. Can you show me where I did that in that previous post? I think it was an honest assessment. I really believe it was the truth. Look up the averages for the players at UA, tell me how many Ar girls are actively on DI rosters....
Quote from: txdad on March 02, 2007, 10:32:24 am
Quote from: cpsmom on March 02, 2007, 10:21:38 am
That is yet to be determined. But it has nothing to do with the state of softball in Arkansas.
You said I dissed the athletes. Can you show me where I did that in that previous post? I think it was an honest assessment. I really believe it was the truth. Look up the averages for the players at UA, tell me how many Ar girls are actively on DI rosters....
Many of the responses you get are due to the "tone" you use when you evaluate our state's efforts thus far. The apparent disdain you have for our rank in comparison to other states is bound to translate as "dissin" our gals as well. As far as D1 participants, again, we are a small state. Less numbers to build with and less money for funding the HS programs, are just a couple of the reasons we have for being behind. Our summer programs are getting better each year. More and more kids are getting quality instruction from those that have been there, done that like Roy Burlison at Arkansas Fast Pitch Academy and others. More teams are going to national exposure camps for higher competition. It will continue to improve here.
Now dang it, if we could just make this state a less attractive place to live and raise a family, we'd stop gettin' you furriners movin in all the time. Hmmm, maybe that is making it more unattractive in itself?
Quote from: mack on March 02, 2007, 12:16:18 pm
Quote from: txdad on March 02, 2007, 10:32:24 am
Quote from: cpsmom on March 02, 2007, 10:21:38 am
That is yet to be determined. But it has nothing to do with the state of softball in Arkansas.
You said I dissed the athletes. Can you show me where I did that in that previous post? I think it was an honest assessment. I really believe it was the truth. Look up the averages for the players at UA, tell me how many Ar girls are actively on DI rosters....
Many of the responses you get are due to the "tone" you use when you evaluate our state's efforts thus far. The apparent disdain you have for our rank in comparison to other states is bound to translate as "dissin" our gals as well. As far as D1 participants, again, we are a small state. Less numbers to build with and less money for funding the HS programs, are just a couple of the reasons we have for being behind. Our summer programs are getting better each year. More and more kids are getting quality instruction from those that have been there, done that like Roy Burlison at Arkansas Fast Pitch Academy and others. More teams are going to national exposure camps for higher competition. It will continue to improve here.
Now dang it, if we could just make this state a less attractive place to live and raise a family, we'd stop gettin' you furriners movin in all the time. Hmmm, maybe that is making it more unattractive in itself?
I understand where you are coming from. However, once again, I believe in that post I pointed out the progress that is being made. I do see the Arkansas teams getting out of the state more. That is something that just wasn't done 4-5 years ago. They are even getting out at the younger ages. Things are looking up. It takes a lot of good coaches, supportive parents, and dedicated players to bring the overall level up. I think there are plenty of those types that are willing to put in the time and effort. Just the fact that there are "training" facilities springing up says a lot about the interest and progress.
-txdad
"You said I dissed the athletes. Can you show me where I did that in that previous post? I think it was an honest assessment. I really believe it was the truth. Look up the averages for the players at UA, tell me how many Ar girls are actively on DI rosters...." -txdad
I have been visiting this website for a couple of years now but i never really got interested enough to post. But as a AR athlete i feel that you are somewhat "dissin" us athletes. And u have said your just telling the truth but look at the facts! As you said Fp hasnt been around here as long and look at all the extremely talented players and teams here in AR. And since the surrounding states have such a headstart on AR i think Ar is competing extremely well.
You are looking at Ar girls in D1 but i know several girls that chose not to go D1 and were as talented as the girls that already played in D1. You also said that there are D2 schools that would give some D1 schools a run for there money. I jus feel like Ar athletes dont every get the credit we deserve from coming from a "mostly slowpitch" state and overwhelmingly "showing up" at all levels of Fast Pitch.
Now thats jus my opinion!
I agree Uh-Oh, I know of at least one Arkansas girl that had a chance to play ball at a D1 and a couple of D2 schools, but chose a D3 because she picked the SCHOOL that worked for her, playing ball was a bonus!
QuoteI know of at least one Arkansas girl that had a chance to play ball at a D1 and a couple of D2 schools, but chose a D3 because she picked the SCHOOL that worked for her, playing ball was a bonus!
That's the point - if you lived in another state you might know of at least 3. Or girls that were average on their TX, 7A high school teams, that easily migrate to Ark DII schools.
txdad, ganglion, mack, everyone is saying the same - it's just more personal for some. To state the facts - is not "dissin" you or your kids as athletes. Mack has identified the root cause of this conversation -
QuoteLess numbers to build with and less money for funding the HS programs, are just a couple of the reasons we have for being behind. Our summer programs are getting better each year.
MONEY is THE reason Arkansas, as a whole, lags behind in a lot of areas - Hopefully some day, we won't have to sell cookies and have car washes to fund our high school teams. We are building fields and even indoor training facilities now. Tech is building a field for their 5 yr old program.
However, not all of Arkansas is dirt poor. Therefore, we have a few school districts that compare with some of the best in the country, in athletics and academics as well. :-* Trying to be politically correct :D For example, just because Arkansas ranks 49th in education (Mississippi #50) it doesn't mean that your kid, living next to a Nuclear Plant, isn't getting the best education. :-X I'll bet that fires some intellects up! ;D How does Mississippi rank in the FP world?
I love Arkansas! And I'm sure your kid lives in one of the exceptional school districts! ;) Please don't put me on the hate list! ::)
OK. when he says" look at the stats of the AR. girls" etc. how can that not be a commentary about the athletes? School money is not the issue here. Everyone knows that most of the girls offered scholarships were not offered those on their High School performance.
Quote from: cpsmom on March 02, 2007, 04:12:32 pm
OK. when he says" look at the stats of the AR. girls" etc. how can that not be a commentary about the athletes? School money is not the issue here. Everyone knows that most of the girls offered scholarships were not offered those on their High School performance.
I don't quite understand this post. Looking at the stats? Isn't that fact as we know it? That is a statement.... I didn't make their stats. Just pointing out that some are having a difficult time adjusting to college ball. That isn't to say that all kids don't do that. A "superstar" in HS ball isn't necessarily going to be successful at the next level.... I don't care what sport or state you are from.
I have been really interested in this discussion since joining this board earlier today. I have been an Arkansas resident for some time now but most of my fastpitch exposure as a coach/parent came in another state a few years back. I still follow fastpitch but only as a fan.
For my two cents worth, those who are saying Arkansas players are, as a whole, behind neighboring states is pretty much right on. I don't see how though, that some of you consider that "disrespectfull". Its just a fact. Arkansas girls are just as talented athletically as any others, its just a matter of experience. As I understand it, Arkansas has only been playing fastpitch for a few years whereas other surrounding states have been playing a lot longer. Most college signees have been playing fastpitch for 10-12 years already. That apparently isn't the case here. I attended last years state tournament and saw most of the better pitchers in the state. I'll be honest here, they were nothing but mediocre as far as college potential. Again, how many of them have been pitching for 10 years? Hitting around the state appears to be good on the surface, but then is it that hard to hit off of mediocre pitching? Someone mentioned high school standouts not doing so well at the college level. What else could you expect? Most of the girls here have never seen D1 or even good D2 level pitching.
Don't get so offended when someone points out the fact that your daughter's team may not play as well as another one somewhere else. Go see if its true. The Tulsa area and the north Texas area have some very good tournaments with a lot of good teams. Spend a weekend watching and ask yourself very honestly, does my daughter's team play that well? If not, get yourself and more parents involved. It's not the quality of our girls, it's the quality of help (coaching, fundraising) we give them.
My advice.....Parents, give it some time and dedication. GET INVOLVED!
you monkeys need to get back to the original purpose of this thread.
smack. :P
Quote from: iluvfp on March 03, 2007, 03:10:50 pm
I have been really interested in this discussion since joining this board earlier today. I have been an Arkansas resident for some time now but most of my fastpitch exposure as a coach/parent came in another state a few years back. I still follow fastpitch but only as a fan.
For my two cents worth, those who are saying Arkansas players are, as a whole, behind neighboring states is pretty much right on. I don't see how though, that some of you consider that "disrespectfull". Its just a fact. Arkansas girls are just as talented athletically as any others, its just a matter of experience. As I understand it, Arkansas has only been playing fastpitch for a few years whereas other surrounding states have been playing a lot longer. Most college signees have been playing fastpitch for 10-12 years already. That apparently isn't the case here. I attended last years state tournament and saw most of the better pitchers in the state. I'll be honest here, they were nothing but mediocre as far as college potential. Again, how many of them have been pitching for 10 years? Hitting around the state appears to be good on the surface, but then is it that hard to hit off of mediocre pitching? Someone mentioned high school standouts not doing so well at the college level. What else could you expect? Most of the girls here have never seen D1 or even good D2 level pitching.
Don't get so offended when someone points out the fact that your daughter's team may not play as well as another one somewhere else. Go see if its true. The Tulsa area and the north Texas area have some very good tournaments with a lot of good teams. Spend a weekend watching and ask yourself very honestly, does my daughter's team play that well? If not, get yourself and more parents involved. It's not the quality of our girls, it's the quality of help (coaching, fundraising) we give them.
My advice.....Parents, give it some time and dedication. GET INVOLVED!
Two tournaments last week, East Texas, Gold Divisions, Bryant and NLR went 12-1, 1st and 2nd place against TX and LA. Yeah, so at LEAST 30 sets of Arkansas parents can say we play that well, I'm sure there are a bunch of others that can say that as well. It's getting better every year
here. Criminy, I get tired of you transplants coming in here and telling us what we need to do to get better. Don't get offended when someone points out we don't need your evaluations of our daughters.
Congratualations to Bryant and NLR for a job well done. Secondly ganglion, I'm not at all offended that you personally do not need any of my advice, sounds like you guys have it covered. In the future, why not just skip over anything I post as you already know it all.
That is why we love new folks coming to the board. This has been an ongoing discussion for 3 years. Nothing new, just different folks. Fact is it is true, about softball, baseball, basketball, football, soccer. All levels high school, D1, D2,D3, NAIA.
But we still play for the love of the game.
Quote from: Dadof 24 on March 03, 2007, 07:14:38 pm
That is why we love new folks coming to the board. This has been an ongoing discussion for 3 years. Nothing new, just different folks. Fact is it is true, about softball, baseball, basketball, football, soccer. All levels high school, D1, D2,D3, NAIA.
But we still play for the love of the game.
By all means, play for the love of it! I am concerned over the fact that fastpitch popularity seems to be dying out in parts of the state. I guess my point is that a certain amount of success breeds enthusiasm and participation, which keeps the sport alive for the younger girls coming up.
As far as this discussion going on for three years now, I'm tickled pink that there are still those who aren't afraid to say "the emperor has no clothes". Sadly though, those of us who want to help nurture the game are told to butt out.....go figure?
I fully expect you are correct on the loss of popularity. If you notice there is now a soccer forum immediately after the softball tag. That popularity is continuing to grow. Here is my take on that..soccer is now expanding to adults. Fastpitch in Arkansas has remained a girls game. The loss of numbers in Arkansas FP is to other sports, not slowpitch as it was before.
Adult slowpitch leagues are on a serious decline as well. If there is not some major infusion of support and promotion, it may be Merle Haggard time.
Quote from: iluvfp on March 03, 2007, 06:45:38 pm
Congratualations to Bryant and NLR for a job well done. Secondly ganglion, I'm not at all offended that you personally do not need any of my advice, sounds like you guys have it covered. In the future, why not just skip over anything I post as you already know it all.
How could I resist responding to someone who is as opinionated as I am?
Quote from: iluvfp on March 03, 2007, 03:10:50 pm
I have been really interested in this discussion since joining this board earlier today. I have been an Arkansas resident for some time now but most of my fastpitch exposure as a coach/parent came in another state a few years back. I still follow fastpitch but only as a fan.
For my two cents worth, those who are saying Arkansas players are, as a whole, behind neighboring states is pretty much right on. I don't see how though, that some of you consider that "disrespectfull". Its just a fact. Arkansas girls are just as talented athletically as any others, its just a matter of experience. As I understand it, Arkansas has only been playing fastpitch for a few years whereas other surrounding states have been playing a lot longer. Most college signees have been playing fastpitch for 10-12 years already. That apparently isn't the case here. I attended last years state tournament and saw most of the better pitchers in the state. I'll be honest here, they were nothing but mediocre as far as college potential. Again, how many of them have been pitching for 10 years? Hitting around the state appears to be good on the surface, but then is it that hard to hit off of mediocre pitching? Someone mentioned high school standouts not doing so well at the college level. What else could you expect? Most of the girls here have never seen D1 or even good D2 level pitching.
Don't get so offended when someone points out the fact that your daughter's team may not play as well as another one somewhere else. Go see if its true. The Tulsa area and the north Texas area have some very good tournaments with a lot of good teams. Spend a weekend watching and ask yourself very honestly, does my daughter's team play that well? If not, get yourself and more parents involved. It's not the quality of our girls, it's the quality of help (coaching, fundraising) we give them.
My advice.....Parents, give it some time and dedication. GET INVOLVED!
I understand what a couple of you guys are saying about Arkansas getting a late start. But considering that i still believe that fastpitch is going pretty darn well. As i said earlier we don't get enough credit.
With out bringing up the fact that we are "Behind" as a state, is the ability really that different? Jus wondering because of what ive seen and played we give anybody from any state a run for their money.
Yes we are behind the other states as a whole....because we started playing fastpitch later, but our girls are just as talented if you compare apples to apples....the same amount of years exeperience & age. If one is comparing stats, yes other states will fair better because of the years of experience they have over our girls. I don't feel anyone here is dissing the girls on purpose....some are just more blunt than others....and some of us get a little defensive when others point out our weaknesses when being compared to those that have been playing much longer....keep it in perpective....we have come a long way and our girls look good and they aren't mediocre when compared apples to apples.....I'm proud of all of our girls and the accomplishments they've made in the short amount of time they've been playing. If the ones pointing out our weaknesses are helping with a team....thank you. If you're just pointing to be pointing....step up to the plate and help.
Quote from: fluffymomma on March 05, 2007, 03:29:11 pm
Yes we are behind the other states as a whole....because we started playing fastpitch later, but our girls are just as talented if you compare apples to apples....the same amount of years exeperience & age. If one is comparing stats, yes other states will fair better because of the years of experience they have over our girls. I don't feel anyone here is dissing the girls on purpose....some are just more blunt than others....and some of us get a little defensive when others point out our weaknesses when being compared to those that have been playing much longer....keep it in perpective....we have come a long way and our girls look good and they aren't mediocre when compared apples to apples.....I'm proud of all of our girls and the accomplishments they've made in the short amount of time they've been playing. If the ones pointing out our weaknesses are helping with a team....thank you. If you're just pointing to be pointing....step up to the plate and help.
Could not have hoped to say it better myself.
Man, you guys are killing this thread. What happened to all the smack?
Maybe this will start something.
WillieLowman wears depends at night. Nah na na na na...
Quote from: TigerFanz on March 05, 2007, 11:18:10 pm
Man, you guys are killing this thread. What happened to all the smack?
Maybe this will start something.
WillieLowman wears depends at night. Nah na na na na...
Due to my FF habit, my wife has started slipping Prozac in my coffee. My smack is barely a love-tap now shamefully :'(
Lexapro for me!!! ;)
Quote from: TigerFanz on March 05, 2007, 11:18:10 pm
Man, you guys are killing this thread. What happened to all the smack?
Maybe this will start something.
WillieLowman wears depends at night. Nah na na na na...
yeah... I'm waiting on a diamond to fall out.
I just want to be prepared.
@ the creator of this thread:
Don't feel bad. It is usually from making a point so good that it evokes emotion from the reader feels he must dog you. I see mine as a badge of honor.