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Title: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 17, 2006, 11:43:06 am
what do you think about the rankings.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 17, 2006, 12:55:47 pm
Episcopal...... is easily the most overrated.  With their "talent" they should eb higher.  Mt. Pine has only lost 1 game and should be higher than them.  Altheimer is deservin gas they have played a tough schedule.  I have not even heard of Eudora so I don't know.  Everyone seems deserving but Episcopal should be ranked 9 or 10 if that.  I heard Earle is very good.  And Valley is still gonna be good.  Don't know about Conway St. Joseph though. 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 17, 2006, 01:20:14 pm
Bergman, not #3 which means Valley not #8 or #9, and St. Joseph not in the top ten.

Episcopal was beaten by Marshall who is the 3rd best team in the conference with Bergman and Valley.

And as much as I think that Mossy is  :-X, I have heard that Mtn. Pine is one of the best teams that one particular teams coach has ever seen. So I would probably put them up higher.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 17, 2006, 02:03:23 pm
He said Mt. Pine was the best team "He" has seen this year.  Not ever...dum dum.  I would like to see the pine play.  Heard they are very athletic and have good guards.  Is this true?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 17, 2006, 02:17:10 pm
i think we have one of the most underrated players in the state in our point guard matt babb he has amazing defense and averages  points per game but is over shadowed by mcdoorman and blees hes really good and did i mention is only 5-8 and can grab rim with 2 hands
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 18, 2006, 10:21:05 am
GO EUDORA!!!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 18, 2006, 12:10:46 pm
From what I hear is that Eudora got beat.... so yeah.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 18, 2006, 01:41:25 pm
Quote from: Wraith on January 18, 2006, 12:10:46 pm
From what I hear is that Eudora got beat.... so yeah.
GO EUDORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  STILL RANKED!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: givemeabreak on January 18, 2006, 04:57:53 pm
If Eudora is ranked at the end of the season, when ranking actually matter.... this is a SAD year for AA basketball!!!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 18, 2006, 07:01:25 pm
^^^ OUCH!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 18, 2006, 08:52:12 pm
ouch x2!
Quote from: givemeabreak on January 18, 2006, 04:57:53 pm
If Eudora is ranked at the end of the season, when ranking actually matter.... this is a SAD year for AA basketball!!!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: culito on January 19, 2006, 08:50:23 am
ouchx3
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 19, 2006, 10:19:27 am
i second that ouch x3
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 19, 2006, 11:00:34 am
enough of that


I would say that Hughes should be higher.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 19, 2006, 11:25:19 am
cmon wonderboys. don't get angry! hughes should be...but ya know
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care.  Hughes is a top five team.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 19, 2006, 12:36:15 pm
where do you think mountain pine should be ranked and how do you think that will change if they win their next two against cutter and j-ville
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 19, 2006, 12:40:28 pm
Mt. Pine should stay right where they are.  You are a good team but is not known for great tradition or winning in basketball.  You do not need to be stressed by being ranked any higher.  Be happy where you are and stay hungry.  You need one goal.  Make the finals of regional.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 19, 2006, 01:12:01 pm
good insight inyourface
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 19, 2006, 01:49:51 pm
Quote from: givemeabreak on January 18, 2006, 04:57:53 pm
If Eudora is ranked at the end of the season, when ranking actually matter.... this is a SAD year for AA basketball!!!!!!
BUT ITS STILL A GOOD YEAR FOR E-TOWN BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!! Its not our fault that we are no.2! Its just a blessing for our program and our kids. We have seen many teams in the rankings, now its finally our turn! SO TODAY IS A HAPPY DAY FOR AA BASKETBALL IN EUDORA!!!! KEEP ON KEEPIN ON "GMAB"!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 19, 2006, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care. Hughes is a top five team.
A top five team doesn't lose at Clarendon.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 19, 2006, 03:16:26 pm
Quote from: herws on January 19, 2006, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care. Hughes is a top five team.
A top five team doesn't lose at Clarendon.

A top 5 team doesn't lose to Mt. Judea either, but Bergman did so that is that.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 19, 2006, 03:53:18 pm
You got me on that one, but Hughes is better than Valley, Bergman, and Episcopal. That just shows you have messed up the rankings are.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: givemeabreak on January 19, 2006, 04:40:47 pm
Quote from: herws on January 19, 2006, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care. Hughes is a top five team.
A top five team doesn't lose at Clarendon.


Or at Dermott. Then start a fight  because you lost.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 19, 2006, 04:48:53 pm
I am assuming Eudora did that?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 19, 2006, 09:07:37 pm
Hughes lost to Clarendon so not a top 10 team by record, but by talent.  I think the paper mainly goes by record and if a seeded teams beats a higher seeded team.  Like how Bergman did Valley.  ECS is not good at all for top 10. 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 19, 2006, 10:27:28 pm
true true, wraith's got that right
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 20, 2006, 07:49:58 am
Quote from: fridaynightfan on January 19, 2006, 04:26:10 pm
Quote from: wonderboys on January 19, 2006, 03:16:26 pm
Quote from: herws on January 19, 2006, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care. Hughes is a top five team.
A top five team doesn't lose at Clarendon.

A top 5 team doesn't lose to Mt. Judea either, but Bergman did so that is that.
Bergman was without 2 starters when they played Mt. Judea the 1st time and if you look on aphsports.com you will see the return game was very much different in Bergman's favor.

Their rematch with Fayetteville Christian (who they lost to the first game of the season and is now ranked #2 in A I believe) was different as well. They played them on Homecoming and won by 13 or so, but that was after putting the subs in late in the fourth.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: DuckSlayer on January 23, 2006, 08:24:43 pm
Hector came close to beating episcopal. tied at 3rd quarter. close game until the 4th quarter when hector ran out of gas and episcopal beat them by like 10 or so.  Definately overranked!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 23, 2006, 08:28:55 pm
episcopal lost to perryville last night
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: superd2312 on January 23, 2006, 09:01:16 pm
5AA Region is definatly out for grabs!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 23, 2006, 09:11:37 pm
and should episcopal be ranked? i say NO!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 24, 2006, 09:44:23 am
Does anyone know anything about Eudora?  AND, who will be the other team to come out of BIC's region?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: givemeabreak on January 24, 2006, 10:17:32 am
Quote from: inyourface on January 24, 2006, 09:44:23 am
Does anyone know anything about Eudora? AND, who will be the other team to come out of BIC's region?

They are as athletic as they are undisciplined.  Loads of talent that will be squandered. I don't see them getting to the state tourney. They will probably win a very weak 7AA east conference, then get ousted in the second round at regionals.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 24, 2006, 10:24:38 am
Sounds about right.  What about BIC's region?  Who's comin out 1 and 2?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 24, 2006, 10:25:01 am
ousted he says...ousted
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 24, 2006, 12:21:36 pm
I can't figure out how in the world that Eudora ended up ranked second in the ADG poll, particularly given the ADG's ignorance of south Arkansas. I've seen the Badgers play this year and found them to be a really typical Eudora team...nothing particularly special.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 24, 2006, 12:39:41 pm
they dont give the south much respect especialy south west does anyone know why that is
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 24, 2006, 01:57:49 pm
Quote from: mossified4 on January 24, 2006, 12:39:41 pm
they dont give the south much respect especialy south west does anyone know why that is

The southwest gets far more respect than the southeast does. Look at the AAAA poll. The only team from the AAAA Southeast Conference represented is Mills, which is not by a long shot actually located in the southeastern portion of the state.

The reason is ignorance, pure and simple. Not stupidity, but ignorance--in the sense that the people who are coming up with the polls are not informed adequately. They get out there and see a handful of Pulaski County schools play each week, and whichever teams play them, and that's it. They're basing the polls (as well as the so-called "All-Arkansas" teams) primarily on that. Obviously you can't put together a well-reasoned poll if you see only a very small segment of the state's teams.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 24, 2006, 02:07:01 pm
Quote from: givemeabreak on January 19, 2006, 04:40:47 pm
Quote from: herws on January 19, 2006, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 19, 2006, 11:59:10 am
I do not care. Hughes is a top five team.
A top five team doesn't lose at Clarendon.


Or at Dermott. Then start a fight because you lost.
Well, if you was not @ the game, then your comment is strictly hearsay! Eudora was the one who was bombarded with plastic bottles before the game even ended! Dont blame it on Eudora GMAB IF YOU WERE NOT THERE!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 24, 2006, 02:14:45 pm
Quote from: heathwaldrop on January 24, 2006, 12:21:36 pm
I can't figure out how in the world that Eudora ended up ranked second in the ADG poll, particularly given the ADG's ignorance of south Arkansas. I've seen the Badgers play this year and found them to be a really typical Eudora team...nothing particularly special.
Im glad there are more "nothing particularly special teams" in other conferences that are ranked besides Eudora! Its just our turn to at least try to do something special for our fans & community.God knows we deserve it just like other teams have been previously ranked. We dont hate! we try to get what other teams have or already have! Thats all!  GO BADGERS!!!!!  GO LADY BADGERS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 24, 2006, 02:26:36 pm
Who is coming out of the region with BIC????
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 24, 2006, 03:18:03 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 24, 2006, 02:26:36 pm
Who is coming out of the region with BIC????

riverside?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: superfan on January 24, 2006, 03:24:07 pm
Quote from: wonderboys on January 24, 2006, 03:18:03 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 24, 2006, 02:26:36 pm
Who is coming out of the region with BIC????

riverside?
There are many teams that could come out of the region.

BIC is the # 1 ranked team in the state
Earle is considered by many to be a upper tier team
Riverside played bad as of late is the only AA team to beat BIC at full strength
Bay has beat Riverside twice
Maynard is going to be the north runner-up over Bay and Riverside
Turrell always seem to peak at the right time
Marmaduke played Earle really close @ Earle
Marked Tree, and EPC don't have great records,but could pull some upsets because they both have big time scorers.
Walnut Ridge has beat Riverside twice, played Bay close.

This is BY FAR the toughest region in AA. 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 24, 2006, 10:21:05 pm
what do yall think danville is ranked 20 or so???
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 24, 2006, 10:24:24 pm
Quote from: chilly gilly on January 24, 2006, 02:14:45 pm
God knows we deserve it just like other teams have been previously ranked.

Then the competition at the AA level isn't very good. Hamburg isn't ranked at the AAA level and handled Eudora without much trouble over Christmas.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 24, 2006, 10:24:50 pm
30th at least
Quote from: Big D on January 24, 2006, 10:21:05 pm
what do yall think danville is ranked 20 or so???
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 24, 2006, 10:25:52 pm
they beat the number 3 in AA and should of beat 8 in aaa if they wasnt stupid that game
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: sportsguy120 on January 24, 2006, 10:55:26 pm
episcobal beat ark baptist by only 5 points friday and ark baptist probally would of won it if they hadnt hold on to the ball for about 3 min at the end of the game .
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 25, 2006, 10:56:10 am
Danville is 14-4.  Lost to Greenwood(AAAA), Dardanelle(#8 in AAA),  Hackett (18-3), Cedarville(finals of X-mas tourn.)
Danville also has wins over Bergman by 10, #8 in class A Lockesburg by 15, Top 10 Fourche Valley by 13. 
Danville also returned senior leading scorer last night in his first start since broke arm in Nov.  Scored 20 in a 90-46 win over Westide.  Watch out for them littlejohns.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 10:57:28 am
watch out indeed
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 25, 2006, 11:05:38 am
Quote from: inyourface on January 25, 2006, 10:56:10 am
Danville is 14-4. Lost to Greenwood(AAAA), Dardanelle(#8 in AAA), Hackett (18-3), Cedarville(finals of X-mas tourn.)
Danville also has wins over Bergman by 10, #8 in class A Lockesburg by 15, Top 10 Fourche Valley by 13.
Danville also returned senior leading scorer last night in his first start since broke arm in Nov. Scored 20 in a 90-46 win over Westide. Watch out for them littlejohns.

Yeah, but if Danville has lost to Hackett and Hackett has an 18-3 record shouldn't they be thought of in the rankings before Danville?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 11:06:41 am
wonderful point by the wonderful wonderboys
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 25, 2006, 11:35:44 am
Hackett is for sure a top team when they are playing well.  I don't see anyone beating them very badly.  They beat the #2 team in class A pretty good. (Fayetteville Christian)
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 11:39:02 am
more power to them for beating em bad
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 25, 2006, 01:25:33 pm
mountain pine is still rolling with a win last night over heated conference rival j-ville in overtime and are now 17-1 and 7-0 in conference
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 08:47:17 pm
that, my friends, is impressive...any way you look at it
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 25, 2006, 09:58:58 pm
no doubt
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 10:01:19 pm
you betcha...17-1 is an achievement. not to mention undefeated in conf.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 25, 2006, 10:02:52 pm
i wish i was 17 again i bet i would be undeafeted to
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 10:04:26 pm
..................................................if you say so
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 25, 2006, 10:05:31 pm
hey hey hey dont b hatin im just statin
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 10:06:14 pm
haha...alright you be 17 while mt pine is 17-1!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: danville man on January 25, 2006, 10:07:17 pm
no when i was 17 mt pine was not 17-1
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 25, 2006, 10:08:28 pm
...alright w/e this is stupid
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 25, 2006, 10:43:45 pm
I just wish I could see Bigelow play Mt. Pine for the finale of the regular season.  But the trip is around 2hrs.  :(
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 26, 2006, 09:26:41 am
Who won the latest BIC/Riverside game?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 26, 2006, 10:17:47 am
i really hate to say it...but your mom
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 26, 2006, 11:10:57 am
who do you think will win out of pine and bigelow
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 26, 2006, 11:14:26 am
ill ride the pine on this one ;) 8)
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 26, 2006, 11:16:53 am
without the democrat what do you think the top 5 should be
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 26, 2006, 11:55:19 am
shoot...that's a tough one...1- BIC 2- Mt Pine 3- Bergman 4- Hughes (regardless of losses, they are a GREAT team) 5- hackett (but i think they're slippin)
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 26, 2006, 12:19:03 pm
i agree completly
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: superd2312 on January 26, 2006, 08:16:12 pm
Dont worry Mossy yall will have no problem with Bigelow, unless they have improved a ton since we played them last. Stop Evans and yall will be fine.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 26, 2006, 09:48:15 pm
what's your picks?
Quote from: mossified4 on January 26, 2006, 12:19:03 pm
i agree completly
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 26, 2006, 11:49:27 pm
No offense, but who has Mt. Pine played lately to give them comp?  It is all about flow and good teamwork and as I have seen, your conference is terrible competition besides Jessieville, who is mediocre this year compared to the past.  I think it will be a close game bc Mt. Pine will think they have it won, but it is at Pine.  So who knows.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 27, 2006, 09:53:51 am
you would think that but we are very humble and my pick are just as yours except mp was third
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 10:20:52 am
i see. did you have bergman 2nd?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 10:43:56 am
I'm telling you Bergman is not the 2nd or 3rd best team in the AA.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 10:44:14 am
then what are they?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 10:44:52 am
No closer than #12 of the BEST teams in the state.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 10:46:47 am
and this is coming from someone who always supports bergman?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 10:50:34 am
Quote from: Electric Boogaloo™ on January 27, 2006, 10:46:47 am
and this is coming from someone who always supports bergman?

Born, raised, and conceived right there hills. They are playing very good ball right now apparently, and haven't lost a game since the loss to Danville on Dec. 22nd. But I just don't think that if they were to play BIC, Hughes, Altheimer, or any other school that is loaded with talent and has ANY size that the boys could hang with them.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 10:53:08 am
i agree with that 100%...i think that hughes, altheimer, AND bic would do a number to any body anyway
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 27, 2006, 11:11:11 am
These teams in the east have inferior records b/c the play better teams. No offense to them teams with good records but head to head, ECS, Bergman, Valley , and Mt. Pine wouldn't quite get it done.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 11:12:49 am
compared to the east arkansas teams...i AGREE 100%
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 27, 2006, 11:57:26 am
Does everyone still think Eudora is overrated?  I don't even know who they play.  Valley and Bergman always have aesome records bc they rarely play elite teams.  Hughes and Altheimer have had the hardest conference playing a lot of AAA, AAAA, and AAAAA schools between them.  And they are both over .500 which would be hard for any AA school.  BIC has also played AAAAA Jonesboro and only lost by like 4.  So this tournament is gonna come down to total skill, not the records.  ECS will flop and prolly not even make it out of Regional.  Bergman, Valley, Conway St. Joseph, and Marshall are all in the same Region, so that Region will be interesting.  What 2 conferences copmprise region 6.  I know the conference of Hughes, Altheimer etc.  But who is the other one?  And also, Region 5 is mainly gonna be the depth of the North.  Bc the North is so well balanced and the South only has Mt. Pine.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 12:01:19 pm
that region will be interesting. i think it'll be an awesome matchup and whoever wins that region will go far i believe
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 12:06:17 pm
Quote from: Wraith on January 27, 2006, 11:57:26 am
Does everyone still think Eudora is overrated? I don't even know who they play. Valley and Bergman always have aesome records bc they rarely play elite teams. Hughes and Altheimer have had the hardest conference playing a lot of AAA, AAAA, and AAAAA schools between them. And they are both over .500 which would be hard for any AA school. BIC has also played AAAAA Jonesboro and only lost by like 4. So this tournament is gonna come down to total skill, not the records. ECS will flop and prolly not even make it out of Regional. Bergman, Valley, Conway St. Joseph, and Marshall are all in the same Region, so that Region will be interesting. What 2 conferences copmprise region 6. I know the conference of Hughes, Altheimer etc. But who is the other one? And also, Region 5 is mainly gonna be the depth of the North. Bc the North is so well balanced and the South only has Mt. Pine.

I think that the state tournament will be the same as usual: teams with good records that are ranked high in the polls will be put out in the first or second round by the true teams with the true size and speed that it takes to win in the State Tourney.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 27, 2006, 12:09:38 pm
Quote from: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 12:06:17 pm
Quote from: Wraith on January 27, 2006, 11:57:26 am
Does everyone still think Eudora is overrated? I don't even know who they play. Valley and Bergman always have aesome records bc they rarely play elite teams. Hughes and Altheimer have had the hardest conference playing a lot of AAA, AAAA, and AAAAA schools between them. And they are both over .500 which would be hard for any AA school. BIC has also played AAAAA Jonesboro and only lost by like 4. So this tournament is gonna come down to total skill, not the records. ECS will flop and prolly not even make it out of Regional. Bergman, Valley, Conway St. Joseph, and Marshall are all in the same Region, so that Region will be interesting. What 2 conferences copmprise region 6. I know the conference of Hughes, Altheimer etc. But who is the other one? And also, Region 5 is mainly gonna be the depth of the North. Bc the North is so well balanced and the South only has Mt. Pine.

I think that the state tournament will be the same as usual: teams with good records that are ranked high in the polls will be put out in the first or second round by the true teams with the true size and speed that it takes to win in the State Tourney.
...regardless of records..
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on January 27, 2006, 12:53:54 pm
I'm not sure just how good some of these teams really are.  Is Hughes healthy and have everyone playin yet.  They sure were good this summer and last year.  Are they burned out from maybe too tough of a nonconference schedule?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 12:56:36 pm
Quote from: inyourface on January 27, 2006, 12:53:54 pm
I'm not sure just how good some of these teams really are. Is Hughes healthy and have everyone playin yet. They sure were good this summer and last year. Are they burned out from maybe too tough of a nonconference schedule?

You bring up a good point inyourface. Even though many of the losses were against those big schools a loss is a loss and noone likes losing. A .500 record or so is hard for team morale.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 27, 2006, 12:58:33 pm
Hughes is healthy and starting to get it going. It's about time.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: basketballfan00000 on January 27, 2006, 01:01:54 pm
As much grief as I have given HERWS that schedule should pay off.  Although they played it without all their bullets I think if it is anything like BIC/Earle it will help them in the long run!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: chilly gilly on January 27, 2006, 02:09:07 pm
Go Eudora Badgers!!7AA East conference champions!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 27, 2006, 02:13:41 pm
Quote from: basketballfan00000 on January 27, 2006, 01:01:54 pm
As much grief as I have given HERWS that schedule should pay off. Although they played it without all their bullets I think if it is anything like BIC/Earle it will help them in the long run!!
The game against Altheimer at Hughes should tell the tale of how things are gonna play out.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 02:32:41 pm
So you're not thinking that Hughes will even make it to state this year?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 27, 2006, 02:34:31 pm
Sorry, disregard the above comment. I was confused.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 28, 2006, 12:13:29 am
when does althiemer and hughes play?
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 28, 2006, 04:32:55 pm
I'll say this much. If Eudora is the legit No. 2 team in the state, then Junction City is your Class AA champion for 2006.

The Dragons beat Eudora handily this afternoon in the Dual State semifinal, making the Badgers look silly at times. I really thin that Junction City has a legit shot at winning it all this season.

By the way--and I can't stress this enough--James Anderson is without question the real deal. And he's still only a junior.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on January 29, 2006, 08:26:52 pm
The contenders......  BIC, Earle,  JC, Altheimer, Hughes, Bergman,(winning 3/4 against Valley).........   Pretenders......  Eudora, ECS, Valley, Pine(only bc their schedule has been considerably weak).

That is the true facts and I don't care what anyone says.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 29, 2006, 08:32:17 pm
i agree with that one
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 30, 2006, 10:51:09 am
I don't know what the size is like for all the other teams, but I do know that a team like Bergman would be severely undersized against someone like James Anderson of JC. I think that if Bergman makes it to state they will make it to the round of 8, but they will not proceed any farther. That pains me to say that because that was home and I have family on the team, but as Wraith said those are facts and I don't care what anyone says.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 30, 2006, 11:10:49 am
anyone facing a guy like that from JC is gonna have problems...any west team going against hughes against his BIG guy is gonna have problems. so i see where you come from!
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 30, 2006, 01:03:32 pm
And the thing about it is, Anderson is a guard. He isn't a big man and doesn't play in the post. He's a major mismatch problem for any team at the AA level.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on January 30, 2006, 01:14:39 pm
I hope that Danville gets a chance to find that out for themselves. It will be fun.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: bballfan36 on January 30, 2006, 01:15:52 pm
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Quote Heathwaldrop: And the thing about it is, Anderson is a guard. He isn't a big man and doesn't play in the post. He's a major mismatch problem for any team at the AA level.


Yeah, pretty amazing, huh....you just have to see him to believe it.  No one can tell you how to play him - even a box defense doesn't work very well...sure hated JC didn't pull out the win Sat. night at Dual State.  They played so well until the Hopson (spelling?) kid got hurt.  To me that was the turning point in the game. 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 30, 2006, 01:20:31 pm
i disagree because all those teams that have weak conferences you should look at their out of coference play
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on January 30, 2006, 01:26:03 pm
my contenders are bic, jc, mp , bergman, altheimer, and hughes and the pretenders are "WRAITH"
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: ColonelReb on January 31, 2006, 10:31:48 am
fresh
Quote from: wonderboys on January 30, 2006, 01:14:39 pm
I hope that Danville gets a chance to find that out for themselves. It will be fun.

Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 10:44:11 am
Quote from: heathwaldrop on January 30, 2006, 01:03:32 pm
And the thing about it is, Anderson is a guard. He isn't a big man and doesn't play in the post. He's a major mismatch problem for any team at the AA level.
As good on offense as Anderson is, Kevin Brown matches up real well b/c he is a better defender than Anderson is. Brown is a super defender and matches up real well and that would be a fun one to watch. The coaches who have offered or seen Brown have all said he is a D1"defender" right now, he needs to work on his offensive game AND the exact opposite holds true for Anderson.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 31, 2006, 12:42:50 pm
Quote from: herws on January 31, 2006, 10:44:11 am
As good on offense as Anderson is, Kevin Brown matches up real well b/c he is a better defender than Anderson is.

Fill me in on Brown...I claim ignorance.

Anderson is a great defender above the rim, but I think he lacks the quickness to be the kind of defender that you're talking about. Of course he's a pretty true two guard and not a point (although he plays the point at JC quite a bit), so scouts aren't going to look at him in the same way that they would a point guard.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 01:17:28 pm
Kevin Brown is 6'6 and is a junior at Hughes. He has D1's all over him. Ole Miss and Texas A&M showing the most interest right now. All the mid-major D1's have offered. He is very athletic and explosive and needs a little more work on his perimeter game to play SF at the college level. He has a great work ethic and will stay in the gym as long as you will let him. He plays AAU with the Wings and had a monster summer and if he focuses on a little more individual work this summer, will be in the same caliber player Anderson is, maybe better b/c Brown is already a better defender than Anderson.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: bballfan36 on January 31, 2006, 01:30:54 pm
I disagree...whatever you've seen of Anderson in the past, throw it out the window...he is playing at a whole different level now.  Defense is about the only area he might need to hone, and the fact that even averaging 31 points a game, he can be too unselfish at times and not take over enough.  In the local stats (El Do News-Times) not only has he amassed three times the points of any other player in this area, he has the third highest stats in assists.  While Kevin Brown may be a good player, you can not compare him to Anderson.  Have you seen him play lately?

There is an article in Hawgs Illustrated about Anderson titled "The Next Big Thing in Arkansas" dated Jan. 31st...if you're able, check it out. 
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 31, 2006, 02:17:34 pm
Quote from: herws on January 31, 2006, 01:17:28 pm
He plays AAU with the Wings and had a monster summer and if he focuses on a little more individual work this summer, will be in the same caliber player Anderson is, maybe better b/c Brown is already a better defender than Anderson.

I've got to say that even though I haven't seen Brown, it would be hard for me to imagine his being better or even as good as Anderson is. There's quite a bit of talk that Anderson might be the best player ever to come out of Arkansas. I saw him over the weekend and I can say without any reservation that he's the best high school player that I've ever seen play.

I saw only two holes in his game...the most obvious was endurance. Of course he plays nearly every minute and is all over the floor the entire time he's in there, but he did start sucking wind in the third period. Secondly was his defensive quickness. A couple of guys who play for Eudora are smaller and quicker and could dribble around Anderson. But as I said, he's relentless enough to get back into it and defends well above the rim...he blocked a number of shots when he appeared to have been beaten to the goal.

Of the players I've seen this year, Anderson would be far and away the best, followed by Solomon Bozeman (Magnolia), Jeremy Evans (Crossett), Bryan Sherrer (Monticello) and Jerome Richards (Dumas), in that order.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 02:18:07 pm
Bballfan, You don't worry about who or what I have seen. Just know that I know. Period.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: bballfan36 on January 31, 2006, 03:31:27 pm
In his weekly recruiting column for Hawgs Illustrated and The Morning News of Northwest Arkansas, Dudley E. Dawson writes about Junction City junior basketball player James Anderson (6-6, 190) and how he is likely the next big thing in Arkansas :

"The 16-year-old is the most "complete" player I have seen in Arkansas in a long, long time and yes that includes Corliss Williamson, Joe Johnson and Ronnie Brewer.  While he may or may not have as good a college or NBA careers as they have/will, he is solid in all facets of the game.

Anderson has outstanding athleticism, can shoot the 3, has a mid-range game, hits nearly 90 percent of his free throws, dribbles it equally well with both hands, creates his own shot, can take it to the rack, is an excellent passer and gets after it defensively.

While not very talkative, he's also as humble as they come."
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 03:41:57 pm
That's a good post if I would have said he wasn't good. But to say he would dominate Kevin Brown is a stretch. That's my point behind all of this.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: John M. on January 31, 2006, 03:56:31 pm
I would like to see the matchup.I've seen Brown play and agree he has a tremendous upside.His biggest weakness in the games I've seen is not slapping the snot out of his teammates and screaming "give me the dang ball."

It would be nice to see if Anderson can dominate someone his own size.That's always my concern with someone 6'6" or taller at a small school.Sure they can score on a 6'1" guy but how do they respond if they are eyeball to eyeball with the defender.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 04:13:34 pm
Size wise and athletically, it is an even match. You have one players strength being offense and the other defense. I can tell you this much, Anderson hasn't matched up with a Kevin Brown caliber player this year. Maybe in AAU but not this basketball season, that is what makes this match-up so inticing.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: -Painted Fan- on January 31, 2006, 04:24:46 pm
I heard Dudley say on the radio that Dual State was loaded with scouts- Arkansas, Kansas, Kentucky, Ole Miss, LSU.  He listed around 8-10 schools that were there.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 04:27:53 pm
As for bballfaN36 and my knowledge of things outside of Hughes. ...Son, I have more knowledge in one of my bitten off fingernails than you will ever have.  If I hurt your feelings I am sorry. I forgot Rivals AND Scout are what determines a quality player. If you think I am wrong, then ask people on this board that have seen Kevin Brown and they will tell you the same. I guess SEC and Big 12 schools recruiting this kid are wrong too.

I know about all the good players in this state b/c I know more coaches on the high school and collegiate level than your high school coach.Played the game on the collegiate level as well.  And by the way, Rakestraw isn't on Kevin Brown's level but Sanchez and Anderson are better at this point and time, but if Brown was Sanchez's height, he woudldbe more intruiging b/c he plays harder and would be a collegiate post player. Right now he isn't projected as such b/c he is 6'6. So put your lip back in and hold your head up. You ran with old heads as long as you could but now it is time to get tucked in.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 31, 2006, 08:26:54 pm
Quote from: John M. on January 31, 2006, 03:56:31 pm
It would be nice to see if Anderson can dominate someone his own size.That's always my concern with someone 6'6" or taller at a small school.Sure they can score on a 6'1" guy but how do they respond if they are eyeball to eyeball with the defender.

Unh-uh. I anticipated this question when I saw him on Saturday. It's got nothing to do with what the other players are doing...seeing him play answers the questions. For instance, in two straight games I don't think he missed a free throw (maybe one) and he went to the line I'd guess close to 30 times in those two games alone. He is not just a good shooter, but a superlative one and can hit lonnnng range treys even while double-teamed. His mid-range jumper is flawless. He's incredibly athletic and elevates well.

But beyond all of that, what you see in Anderson is basketball instinct. I've seen a number of D-I players at the high-school level in my eight years of covering the sport and I've seen none who have the kind of innate understanding of the game that he obviously has.

I don't think that Anderson would be scoring points at the kind of rate that he is currently if he consistently faced similar-sized guards with similar athletic ability...but sheesh, how often is that going to happen in high school at any level? He might not be averaging 35 points, 14 boards, six steals and four blocked shots a game, but at any other school, he most certainly would be an impact player regardless of the defense he would face.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: amehr36 on January 31, 2006, 08:51:13 pm
The thing that stood out to me the most about James (ive seen him play in 4 games....all in dual state this year),  is that he seems to be able to draw fouls like noone ive ever seen.  Im not a huge bball fan so what i say may mean nothing to some of you, but i watched him time and time again be double teamed but still bust through and put up a one handed shot under the rim and get fouled (or some other amazing out of nowhere shot).  Then once he gets to the FT line he makes around 90 %.  He will score if he wants to plain and simple...his D was pretty good too, he had quite a few blocks.  Watching him i thought to myself, at any time this could turn into a highlight play, and it did several times.  Do you think he could go pro straight out of HS like Lebron??  (This question is directed to people who have actually seen James play)
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 11:24:25 pm
Unless he is 19  at the time he has to go to prep school or college due to the new age limit.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 31, 2006, 11:40:39 pm
Quote from: amehr36 on January 31, 2006, 08:51:13 pm
Do you think he could go pro straight out of HS like Lebron??

Even if the rules allowed it anymore, I doubt it. He definitely couldn't right now. I'm not sure how much more developed he will be in a year, but I just couldn't see it happening. Most of those guys who jumped straight to the NBA were bigger. It's been widely circulated that Anderson is 6-6 or 6-7, but after seeing him on Saturday I'd guess him to be closer to 6-4. Not only that, but the guys who went straight to the NBA played much tougher competition on a regular basis than what Anderson is seeing.

He's a phenomenal player though.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on January 31, 2006, 11:40:51 pm
Quote from: bballfan36 on January 31, 2006, 03:31:27 pm
Herws - don't even go there with me...you obviously are a big Kevin Brown fan, and could quite possibly BE him, and you most certainly love your Hughes team, and that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am going to have mine. Since ALL you ever talk about is Hughes, maybe you need to get out more. There are many other good players in the state, but none so heavily recruited right now in the junior class as Anderson, Sanchez, and Rakestraw. Since you have no valid points to back up your statements, let me give you some straight from the article I mentioned earlier. Personally, I like the last part about being humble the best....




James Anderson is the best in the state and I carry his banner, but I don't have to leave Hughes to see another D1 player named Kevin Brown who just dropped 40 on Altheimer. From now on, you believe what I say when I say it and you will be all right. This kids play tonight VALIDATES EVERYTHING I say about him and the people that have seen him play will tell you the same. Don't quote me a story from a newswriter when I have seen more basketball players and games than you have taken "poops" since you have been born. I know what I am talking about.

Evidently you need to get out more b/c you only know what you see on here and Rivals.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: John M. on February 01, 2006, 03:09:08 am
Well it looks like they're finally pounded the ball inside.But they still lost at home?

Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: herws on February 01, 2006, 08:31:24 am
I am puzzled myself..................
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: Nash Fan on February 01, 2006, 12:03:31 pm
No player in Arkansas has a chance at the NBA draft out of high school.  That is totally ludicrous.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked high
Post by: Wraith on February 01, 2006, 12:06:42 pm
Agreed.  I think we all know that.  And I personally think Sanchez is overrated.  Look what his team does?  If he was as good as they say he is.  He could carry his team and have more than 7 wins......
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: wonderboys on February 01, 2006, 05:40:30 pm
Quote from: Wraith on February 01, 2006, 12:06:42 pm
Agreed. I think we all know that. And I personally think Sanchez is overrated. Look what his team does? If he was as good as they say he is. He could carry his team and have more than 7 wins......

I haven't ever seen him, but I have HEARD the same thing Wraith.
Title: Re: what is the most overrated team in the top ten and who should be ranked higher
Post by: mossified4 on February 14, 2006, 12:33:36 pm
what do yall think of mountain pine now that they have beat a great team are they still overated or have we proven ourselves