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HorseFeathers

Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on May 07, 2015, 05:26:05 pm
Quote from: beach bum on May 07, 2015, 03:30:09 pm
Why would a state with just shy of of 3 million people need more than 6 classes that play football. One state I lived in had 19 million with 7. The state I am in now has 5.5 million in 5 classes. 6 is too many already for Arkansas.

Arkansas has too many classes because you have a few large population centers that created the desire for 7A, 6A didn't like playing schools nearly twice as large. Oh, same problem exists in the lower classes, 2,3,4A.  I'd say it's tougher on a small school with a couple of hundred to play a school with say 150 more kids.  Don't know if there is a good solution but 7A and 6A with 16 teams is silly.  Mixing the classes is really not going to be fair to most of the smaller classes.

1a ranges from 30 kids in sr high to 135...by 6a standards we better break them up into three more classes...

beach bum

May 07, 2015, 08:35:17 pm #51 Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 08:37:08 pm by beach bum
Imagine Charleston with Ty Storey in the old classification system. They would have been in a conference with the likes of Hackett, Western Yell, and Magazine. It could be worse because the old system would have them sitting as one of the bigger 2A schools. Of course a perk would have been seeing Charleston vs. JC the last 2 years.

whippersnapper

Quote from: beach bum on May 07, 2015, 08:35:17 pm
Imagine Charleston with Ty Storey in the old classification system. They would have been in a conference with the likes of Hackett, Western Yell, and Magazine. It could be worse because the old system would have them sitting as one of the bigger 2A schools. Of course a perk would have been seeing Charleston vs. JC the last 2 years.
A football game from the Gods! Haha

OLDSCHOOL82

Quote from: nuttinbuthogs on May 07, 2015, 05:19:37 pm
Quote from: OLDSCHOOL82 on May 07, 2015, 11:23:52 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Enrollment doesnt help but its not the main problem with a teams lack of wins.

So are you suggesting you would rather have less students to choose from?  There is always an exception to just about everything but If its me I'd rather have more kids in the division than less.


Where did you get that out of what I said? Yes, it would be nice if you always had 150 more kids to choose from which might mean you had 15-20 more on the sideline!  That is not a key ingredient to success in football.  Where did RUSH run off to?

CounterPunch

Numbers do make a difference ONLY if there is a high quality coach in place that can get the kids out of the hallway that need to be playing football. Some of your biggest 4a schools are not very good while some of the smaller schools are at the top. Thats very easy to see.

OLDSCHOOL82

Quote from: CounterPunch on May 08, 2015, 07:43:17 am
Numbers do make a difference ONLY if there is a high quality coach in place that can get the kids out of the hallway that need to be playing football. Some of your biggest 4a schools are not very good while some of the smaller schools are at the top. Thats very easy to see.

Winner winner chicken dinner.  All of the kids have to play.  They must expect to win.  The community must support it.  Some schools/communitys just flat out dont support football and take the necassary steps to make them competitive.

Lionheart88

Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...
You want some cheese with that?  5A only has 32 schools, and the top to bottom difference is about 320.  6A only has 16 schools, but the top to bottom difference is 466.66.  In 7A, the differnce between Springdale(#1) and Van Buren(#15) is 1,037.  In combined 7A/6A conferences, the difference could theoretically be as much as 1600 students.  200 is no big deal.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: Lionheart88 on May 10, 2015, 09:23:57 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...
You want some cheese with that?  5A only has 32 schools, and the top to bottom difference is about 320.  6A only has 16 schools, but the top to bottom difference is 466.66.  In 7A, the differnce between Springdale(#1) and Van Buren(#15) is 1,037.  In combined 7A/6A conferences, the difference could theoretically be as much as 1600 students.  200 is no big deal.


He'd break down in tears if he looked at the size disparity of 400% in 1a

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

Wahls

May 26, 2015, 07:08:38 pm #60 Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 07:15:10 pm by Wahls
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 24, 2015, 05:23:53 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

It's not just a 4a problem. It's a problem within most classifications.

The fix is to get rid of conferences, entirely. You require teams to play the closest 5 teams geographically within their classification, then create a sliding standard allowing them to play whoever they want as long as they're within x number of enrollment. You seed the playoffs lottery style based off win-loss. No more ridiculous floating 5 seed. You can keep regionals in baseball and basketball and still make this work.

That way we don't have rivalries that go dormant because some school district got bumped up because they had a week long power outage 15 years ago, and now they suddenly have 30 extra kids.

But good luck getting anyone to go along with that. I've already tried through various channels.

phdefense

Quote from: Wahls on May 26, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 24, 2015, 05:23:53 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

It's not just a 4a problem. It's a problem within most classifications.

The fix is to get rid of conferences, entirely. You require teams to play the closest 5 teams geographically within their classification, then create a sliding standard allowing them to play whoever they want as long as they're within x number of enrollment. You seed the playoffs lottery style based off win-loss. No more ridiculous floating 5 seed. You can keep regionals in baseball and basketball and still make this work.

That way we don't have rivalries that go dormant because some school district got bumped up because they had a week long power outage 15 years ago, and now they suddenly have 30 extra kids.

But good luck getting anyone to go along with that. I've already tried through various channels.
The floating 5 seed has been gone for 3 cycles.

Wahls

Quote from: phdefense on May 26, 2015, 07:43:47 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 26, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 24, 2015, 05:23:53 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

It's not just a 4a problem. It's a problem within most classifications.

The fix is to get rid of conferences, entirely. You require teams to play the closest 5 teams geographically within their classification, then create a sliding standard allowing them to play whoever they want as long as they're within x number of enrollment. You seed the playoffs lottery style based off win-loss. No more ridiculous floating 5 seed. You can keep regionals in baseball and basketball and still make this work.

That way we don't have rivalries that go dormant because some school district got bumped up because they had a week long power outage 15 years ago, and now they suddenly have 30 extra kids.

But good luck getting anyone to go along with that. I've already tried through various channels.
The floating 5 seed has been gone for 3 cycles.

my bad, you're right.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 26, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 24, 2015, 05:23:53 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

It's not just a 4a problem. It's a problem within most classifications.

The fix is to get rid of conferences, entirely. You require teams to play the closest 5 teams geographically within their classification, then create a sliding standard allowing them to play whoever they want as long as they're within x number of enrollment. You seed the playoffs lottery style based off win-loss. No more ridiculous floating 5 seed. You can keep regionals in baseball and basketball and still make this work.

That way we don't have rivalries that go dormant because some school district got bumped up because they had a week long power outage 15 years ago, and now they suddenly have 30 extra kids.

But good luck getting anyone to go along with that. I've already tried through various channels.

Your proposal doesn't fix the "problem" of larger enrollment schools at the top of the class playing the schools at the bottom of the class as you would still have West Fork-P. Grove, DeWitt-Monticello, Lincoln-P. Grove/Gravette, Malvern-Ft. Lake etc...

Wahls

May 27, 2015, 11:19:47 am #64 Last Edit: May 27, 2015, 11:23:37 am by Wahls
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 07:48:51 am
Quote from: Wahls on May 26, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 24, 2015, 05:23:53 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 23, 2015, 09:37:34 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2015, 11:17:41 am
Quote from: RUSH on May 07, 2015, 10:03:07 am
AAA is crap on how the classify!  How is a team suppose to compete when the difference in enrollment is 200 students.  From the bottom of 4A to top of 4A is a 200 student difference.  No wonder you have so many teams in the  bottom of 4A that can only win 2 or 3 games a year...

Life isn't fair.

But that's never an excuse to not do a better job.

And how would you propose they do a better job of dividing up the 4A?

It's not just a 4a problem. It's a problem within most classifications.

The fix is to get rid of conferences, entirely. You require teams to play the closest 5 teams geographically within their classification, then create a sliding standard allowing them to play whoever they want as long as they're within x number of enrollment. You seed the playoffs lottery style based off win-loss. No more ridiculous floating 5 seed. You can keep regionals in baseball and basketball and still make this work.

That way we don't have rivalries that go dormant because some school district got bumped up because they had a week long power outage 15 years ago, and now they suddenly have 30 extra kids.

But good luck getting anyone to go along with that. I've already tried through various channels.

Your proposal doesn't fix the "problem" of larger enrollment schools at the top of the class playing the schools at the bottom of the class as you would still have West Fork-P. Grove, DeWitt-Monticello, Lincoln-P. Grove/Gravette, Malvern-Ft. Lake etc...

Yes it does. It makes it easier to change the number whenever you don't have specific conferences. It's also a floating standard that varies from school to school once you get past the five games. It helps some.

The only other way to completely fix what you're talking about is to add another classification.

SUGARTOWN

There are very few games that are between teams with a big discrepancy in enrollments and most would still have to be played under your proposal if you have to use your "play the 5 teams geographically closest to you"  scenario.

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:01:23 pm
There are very few games that are between teams with a big discrepancy in enrollments and most would still have to be played under your proposal if you have to use your "play the 5 teams geographically closest to you"  scenario.

Geography still has to be a big part of it. It's not going to be possible to have every opponent exactly your size and still be able to have reasonable travel.

SUGARTOWN

I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

I agree that playing schools geographically closer would be better. But the argument on this thread was about enrollment numbers and I don't think you can base scheduling off of that simply because having a large enrollment does not always equal a good football program. And vice versa.

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

It is almost a guarantee that one central Arkansas school will end up in the 7-4a on this cycle. P-Rob, Baptist, someone.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:50:47 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

It is almost a guarantee that one central Arkansas school will end up in the 7-4a on this cycle. P-Rob, Baptist, someone.

One of those SHOULD be coming to the 2-4A to replace Newport, leaving the other one in the 4-4A.

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:53:20 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:50:47 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

It is almost a guarantee that one central Arkansas school will end up in the 7-4a on this cycle. P-Rob, Baptist, someone.

One of those SHOULD be coming to the 2-4A to replace Newport, leaving the other one in the 4-4A.

This, or a slight variation of this, is what will happen:

Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 01, 2015, 06:05:56 am
I think it's going to look like this: Changes in bold
4A-1 — Huntsville, Gravette, Berryville, Gentry, Lincoln, Shiloh Christian, Prairie Grove, Pea Ridge
4A-2 — CAC, Heber Springs, Helena-West Helena Central, Lonoke, Riverview, Batesville Southside, Stuttgart, Arkansas Baptist
4A-3 — Brookland, Cave City, Gosnell, Harrisburg, Highland, Pocahontas, Trumann, Jonesboro Westside
4A-4 — West Fork, Booneville, Ozark, Subiaco, Dardanelle, Dover, Pottsville, Waldron
4A-7 — Arkadelphia, Ashdown, Bauxite, Fountain Lake, Malvern, Mena, Nashville, Pulaski Robinson
4A-8 — Crossett, DeWitt, PB Dollarway, Dumas, Hamburg, Monticello, Star City, Warren

SUGARTOWN

Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?

Wahls

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?

Geography?

PrivateLesson

Yes, I hope so.  I vote Waldron go back to 4-4A.  The travel is long. 

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 01:36:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?

Geography?

Who knows what they'll do, logic rarely enters in. They just moved Robinson out of the 7-4A in the last cycle.

Nomad1324

Okay, just asking here, closest as the crow flies or in road distance?

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Nomad1324 on May 27, 2015, 01:59:05 pm
Okay, just asking here, closest as the crow flies or in road distance?

Should be road distance IMO. But then again Stuttgart has two 4A teams within 30 miles of them and neither are in their conference...

SouthpawSensation

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?
It's much easier travel on the all but one of the 4A-4 schools to go to Waldron than to Pulaski Robinson.
Let's just look at the numbers, where we will compare the distances to Waldron and Pulaski Robinson from the other schools in the 4A-4.
West Fork — 92.8 to Waldron, 180 to Robinson
Booneville — 28.3 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Ozark — 57.2 to Waldron, 121 to Robinson
Subiaco — 54.8 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Dover — 79.2 to Waldron, 83.7 to Robinson
Dardanelle — 66.3 to Waldron, 78.9 to Robinson
Pottsville — 74.1 to Waldron, 71.1 to Robinson

SUGARTOWN

May 27, 2015, 02:49:46 pm #80 Last Edit: May 27, 2015, 03:11:45 pm by SUGARTOWN
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 02:23:30 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?
It's much easier travel on the all but one of the 4A-4 schools to go to Waldron than to Pulaski Robinson.
Let's just look at the numbers, where we will compare the distances to Waldron and Pulaski Robinson from the other schools in the 4A-4.
West Fork — 92.8 to Waldron, 180 to Robinson
Booneville — 28.3 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Ozark — 57.2 to Waldron, 121 to Robinson
Subiaco — 54.8 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Dover — 79.2 to Waldron, 83.7 to Robinson
Dardanelle — 66.3 to Waldron, 78.9 to Robinson
Pottsville — 74.1 to Waldron, 71.1 to Robinson

Yeah, but since when has the AAA been concerned about travel?  :)

See my post above about Stuttgart.

And actually, those schools are closer to A. Baptist than Robinson since they would have to go PAST Baptist to get to Robinson.

SouthpawSensation

Sugartown, granted the AAA doesn't do everything is right, but how quickly you are to forget two years ago when they switched Dollarway and Helena-West Helena Central after an appeal was made because of travel.
Yes, the 4A-4 schools would have to drive past Arkansas Baptist to get to Robinson, but so would everybody in the 4A-2 and the 4A-7. So that argument doesn't make sense.
I put Arkansas Baptist in the 4A-2 because it's farther east and closer to those schools (by 2.6 miles) as far a geographical standpoint than Robinson is. That leaves Robinson going to the 4A-7 because it's closer (geographically, not distance) to those schools than Arkansas Baptist.
As far as your post about Stuttgart, I agree that it's closer to DeWitt and Dollarway — two members of the 4A-8. However, who do you move to the 4A-2 if Stuttgart was moved to the 4A-8 to it could play DeWitt and Dollarway?
Granted, Stuttgart greatly benefits from it, but somebody else is going to get greatly hurt with increased travel one way or another.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 04:05:32 pm
Sugartown, granted the AAA doesn't do everything is right, but how quickly you are to forget two years ago when they switched Dollarway and Helena-West Helena Central after an appeal was made because of travel.
Oh I remember that, it made Stuttgart's and DeWitt's travel further.
Yes, the 4A-4 schools would have to drive past Arkansas Baptist to get to Robinson, but so would everybody in the 4A-2 and the 4A-7. So that argument doesn't make sense.
I put Arkansas Baptist in the 4A-2 because it's farther east and closer to those schools (by 2.6 miles) as far a geographical standpoint than Robinson is. That leaves Robinson going to the 4A-7 because it's closer (geographically, not distance) to those schools than Arkansas Baptist.
I would just prefer not to have another LR private school in our conference that doesn't have to play by the same rules as most other schools
As far as your post about Stuttgart, I agree that it's closer to DeWitt and Dollarway — two members of the 4A-8. However, who do you move to the 4A-2 if Stuttgart was moved to the 4A-8 to it could play DeWitt and Dollarway?
Fudge the numbers on Monticello and move them to 5A and move up Bald Knob to 4A and put them in the 2-4A  :D
Granted, Stuttgart greatly benefits from it, but somebody else is going to get greatly hurt with increased travel one way or another.

And I'm aware they can't please everybody.

SouthpawSensation

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 04:17:49 pm
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 04:05:32 pm
Sugartown, granted the AAA doesn't do everything is right, but how quickly you are to forget two years ago when they switched Dollarway and Helena-West Helena Central after an appeal was made because of travel.
Oh I remember that, it made Stuttgart's and DeWitt's travel further.
Yes, the 4A-4 schools would have to drive past Arkansas Baptist to get to Robinson, but so would everybody in the 4A-2 and the 4A-7. So that argument doesn't make sense.
I put Arkansas Baptist in the 4A-2 because it's farther east and closer to those schools (by 2.6 miles) as far a geographical standpoint than Robinson is. That leaves Robinson going to the 4A-7 because it's closer (geographically, not distance) to those schools than Arkansas Baptist.
I would just prefer not to have another LR private school in our conference that doesn't have to play by the same rules as most other schools
As far as your post about Stuttgart, I agree that it's closer to DeWitt and Dollarway — two members of the 4A-8. However, who do you move to the 4A-2 if Stuttgart was moved to the 4A-8 to it could play DeWitt and Dollarway?
Fudge the numbers on Monticello and move them to 5A and move up Bald Knob to 4A and put them in the 2-4A  :D
Granted, Stuttgart greatly benefits from it, but somebody else is going to get greatly hurt with increased travel one way or another.

And I'm aware they can't please everybody.
I guess that's where you and I are much different, Sugartown.
You want things changed so your school can benefit, and I have to call it as I see it — it's selfish.
When I do these, I think of the whole group in general. My work is based on what is best for the group, not for a particular school. That's even though I am a graduate of one of the 48 Class 4A schools.

SUGARTOWN

I would say that 100% of the people on here want what's best for their school.

If the AAA had everybody's best interest in mind like you everything would be perfect I guess.  :D

SouthpawSensation

Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 04:49:14 pm
I would say that 100% of the people on here want what's best for their school.

If the AAA had everybody's best interest in mind like you everything would be perfect I guess.  :D
The problem is the AAA board of directors are in the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mode. It's a buddy system, and they only look out for themselves and their friends.
I've said it for years now. The AAA needs to hire a reclassification specialist — somebody who can be neutral and can spend time crunching the numbers and maps to make things work the best way possible for everybody involved.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 04:56:57 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 04:49:14 pm
I would say that 100% of the people on here want what's best for their school.

If the AAA had everybody's best interest in mind like you everything would be perfect I guess.  :D
The problem is the AAA board of directors are in the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mode. It's a buddy system, and they only look out for themselves and their friends.
I've said it for years now. The AAA needs to hire a reclassification specialist — somebody who can be neutral and can spend time crunching the numbers and maps to make things work the best way possible for everybody involved.

I'll apply to be your assistant when you get this job...haha

Wahls

Quote from: HF on May 27, 2015, 05:44:43 pm
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 04:56:57 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 04:49:14 pm
I would say that 100% of the people on here want what's best for their school.

If the AAA had everybody's best interest in mind like you everything would be perfect I guess.  :D
The problem is the AAA board of directors are in the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mode. It's a buddy system, and they only look out for themselves and their friends.
I've said it for years now. The AAA needs to hire a reclassification specialist — somebody who can be neutral and can spend time crunching the numbers and maps to make things work the best way possible for everybody involved.

I'll apply to be your assistant when you get this job...haha

I'd do it part-time on the condition that it would take a 2/3rds majority to overrule me. May cut out special interest part of it that way.

HeberFan

Travel should be an important factor. I also believe that rivalries are stronger when the towns are closer together. Some conferences will always be tougher than others, so, there is no great system.

PrivateLesson

June 13, 2015, 05:00:42 am #89 Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 05:03:31 am by PrivateLesson
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 02:23:30 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?
It's much easier travel on the all but one of the 4A-4 schools to go to Waldron than to Pulaski Robinson.
Let's just look at the numbers, where we will compare the distances to Waldron and Pulaski Robinson from the other schools in the 4A-4.
West Fork — 92.8 to Waldron, 180 to Robinson
Booneville — 28.3 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Ozark — 57.2 to Waldron, 121 to Robinson
Subiaco — 54.8 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Dover — 79.2 to Waldron, 83.7 to Robinson
Dardanelle — 66.3 to Waldron, 78.9 to Robinson
Pottsville — 74.1 to Waldron, 71.1 to Robinson

When has the AAA ever granted an appeal on travel?       

The AAA has rules in place in order to protect children......yet, they will needlessly let them get on a bus to travel for hours on end.      The travel alone is dangerous, for all who are on the highway but add in the fact how the kids feel trying to complete homework assignments and then have to get up and go to school the next day after VB or BB?   They are exhausted I bet....their studies suffer and most are trying to get a scholarship.    There is more than just distance to all of this, as we all know.   Some parents, I would imagine can't even attend their child's game because they can't get off in time to travel that far.   All of it is a hardship in my opinion.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: PrivateLesson on June 13, 2015, 05:00:42 am
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 02:23:30 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?
It's much easier travel on the all but one of the 4A-4 schools to go to Waldron than to Pulaski Robinson.
Let's just look at the numbers, where we will compare the distances to Waldron and Pulaski Robinson from the other schools in the 4A-4.
West Fork — 92.8 to Waldron, 180 to Robinson
Booneville — 28.3 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Ozark — 57.2 to Waldron, 121 to Robinson
Subiaco — 54.8 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Dover — 79.2 to Waldron, 83.7 to Robinson
Dardanelle — 66.3 to Waldron, 78.9 to Robinson
Pottsville — 74.1 to Waldron, 71.1 to Robinson

When has the AAA ever granted an appeal on travel?       


Two years ago when they switched Dollarway and Helena WH from the 2-4A and 8-4A. Although I agree they don't do it enough.

PrivateLesson

I was just curious.....I agree too then Sugartown.     It's always been you play the conference to which you are assigned.   It's usually fine but some need to realize that Waldron is either number 1 or 2 in the State as far as being the largest busing district.


The travel doesn't end when some kids hit the school parking lot......if some have to travel to Black Fork or wherever add on another 50 minutes to get home.  It's taxing on the kids....it would have to be.

SUGARTOWN

Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:50:47 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

It is almost a guarantee that one central Arkansas school will end up in the 7-4a on this cycle. P-Rob, Baptist, someone.

Looks like your guarantee didn't quite work out. Waldron and P. Rob are staying in the same conferences like I said.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: PrivateLesson on June 13, 2015, 05:00:42 am
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 27, 2015, 02:23:30 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 01:25:48 pm
Why not just keep Waldron and P. Robinson in the same conferences they're in now?
It's much easier travel on the all but one of the 4A-4 schools to go to Waldron than to Pulaski Robinson.
Let's just look at the numbers, where we will compare the distances to Waldron and Pulaski Robinson from the other schools in the 4A-4.
West Fork — 92.8 to Waldron, 180 to Robinson
Booneville — 28.3 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Ozark — 57.2 to Waldron, 121 to Robinson
Subiaco — 54.8 to Waldron, 101 to Robinson
Dover — 79.2 to Waldron, 83.7 to Robinson
Dardanelle — 66.3 to Waldron, 78.9 to Robinson
Pottsville — 74.1 to Waldron, 71.1 to Robinson

When has the AAA ever granted an appeal on travel?       

The AAA has rules in place in order to protect children......yet, they will needlessly let them get on a bus to travel for hours on end.      The travel alone is dangerous, for all who are on the highway but add in the fact how the kids feel trying to complete homework assignments and then have to get up and go to school the next day after VB or BB?   They are exhausted I bet....their studies suffer and most are trying to get a scholarship.    There is more than just distance to all of this, as we all know.   Some parents, I would imagine can't even attend their child's game because they can't get off in time to travel that far.   All of it is a hardship in my opinion.

Helena and dollar way swapped places last cycle... in 2a j.c Westside and magazine appealed out of 4 east because of travel. Jasper played up a class several years ago because of travel. Cotter has been doing the same thing recently..

Wahls

July 09, 2015, 09:49:50 pm #94 Last Edit: July 09, 2015, 10:04:44 pm by Wahls
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on June 13, 2015, 09:57:26 am
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:50:47 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:47:49 pm
Quote from: Wahls on May 27, 2015, 12:15:58 pm
Quote from: SUGARTOWN on May 27, 2015, 12:06:22 pm
I agree. That's why there's really no other way to do it than the way it's being done now.

As long as you require a set number of games against a set number of teams, and you force it on every team in the state, regardless of how much sense it makes, you're going to have a bad time. Conferences are almost always going to be the thing that causes this issue.

There is a better way than having P-Rob play Mena. Batesville Southside is basically in between two conferences and would benefit greatly, along with every team along a geographic border.

Robinson and Mena aren't in the same conference, they don't play.

It is almost a guarantee that one central Arkansas school will end up in the 7-4a on this cycle. P-Rob, Baptist, someone.

Looks like your guarantee didn't quite work out. Waldron and P. Rob are staying in the same conferences like I said.

Yeah I didn't think they used barbiturates, but I was wrong about that too.

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