4-4A Lets here some talk

[nastynice]

I have a buddy who graduated from Subi who's at the naval academy now. They put people in Caltech, Stanford, several Ivys. What more do they need to prove?

Alot! Young kids shouldn't be sent off to live on a campus without their family. I think parents that send their kids there have a screw loose.

[beach bum]

If I had kids I would never think about sending my kids to a private school but you're kidding yourselves if you don't think private schools as a whole offer a better educational experience.

[beach bum]

I have a buddy who graduated from Subi who's at the naval academy now. They put people in Caltech, Stanford, several Ivys. What more do they need to prove?

Alot! Young kids shouldn't be sent off to live on a campus without their family. I think parents that send their kids there have a screw loose.

Why? I hope the answer is not because it is a Catholic school? As stated above I am not a fan a religious based schools but it is a fact as a whole those schools will offer a better learning experience for a kid in general. I loved my public school experience but if people want private religious based schooling then let them be happy and at a great school in the process.

[PrivateLesson]

100%? LOL!!! I know for a FACT that is wrong.. I also bet I know more about Subi than any of you.... =D

Fact?? 

http://subiacoacademy.us/history-and-philosophy

[PA Dad]

I have a buddy who graduated from Subi who's at the naval academy now. They put people in Caltech, Stanford, several Ivys. What more do they need to prove?

Jealousy is an ugly thing.  Most good academic schools are disliked because of their excellence.

[Lionheart88]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

[beach bum]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

[HorseFeathers]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

1-27 in their last stint in the 4a-4

[beach bum]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

1-27 in their last stint in the 4a-4

Oh lord that's just bad.... Hopefully with a chance to play Subi now they have a shot at a win in conference. As well as after this season maybe Dover goes into one of its dips as a program. I know West Fork as well is about to hit a a little slump and they would already have trouble in 4A the last year. Waldron would have to hit the jackpot to win all three of those. Booneville, Dardanelle, Pottsville will be too much too handle and possibly even Ozark.

[HorseFeathers]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

1-27 in their last stint in the 4a-4

Oh lord that's just bad.... Hopefully with a chance to play Subi now they have a shot at a win in conference. As well as after this season maybe Dover goes into one of its dips as a program. I know West Fork as well is about to hit a a little slump and they would already have trouble in 4A the last year. Waldron would have to hit the jackpot to win all three of those. Booneville, Dardanelle, Pottsville will be too much too handle and possibly even Ozark.

1-3 against subi...I know the new coach should help...but it's hard to shake a trend this bad...

[3 Dollar]

Subiaco has a 100% college & Military acceptance rate and 80% of students at Subiaco usually will receive scholarships.

Fixed that for ya!   From your link you posted.

[PrivateLesson]

Subiaco has a 100% college & Military acceptance rate and 80% of students at Subiaco usually will receive scholarships.

Fixed that for ya!   From your link you posted.

actually if you would read the rest....  (typically) lol

http://subiacoacademy.us/our-students-say

[PrivateLesson]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

1-27 in their last stint in the 4a-4

Oh lord that's just bad.... Hopefully with a chance to play Subi now they have a shot at a win in conference. As well as after this season maybe Dover goes into one of its dips as a program. I know West Fork as well is about to hit a a little slump and they would already have trouble in 4A the last year. Waldron would have to hit the jackpot to win all three of those. Booneville, Dardanelle, Pottsville will be too much too handle and possibly even Ozark.

1-3 against subi...I know the new coach should help...but it's hard to shake a trend this bad...

Waldron has played Subiaco way more than 4 times in Waldrons school history and the record would be in Waldrons favor.  Subiaco was however Waldrons last win.

[HorseFeathers]

So, how does the picture change with Waldron added to the mix in place of Robinson (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong)?

Waldron now has a chance in the 4-4A.... I am sure P Robinson isn't too thrilled.

1-27 in their last stint in the 4a-4

Oh lord that's just bad.... Hopefully with a chance to play Subi now they have a shot at a win in conference. As well as after this season maybe Dover goes into one of its dips as a program. I know West Fork as well is about to hit a a little slump and they would already have trouble in 4A the last year. Waldron would have to hit the jackpot to win all three of those. Booneville, Dardanelle, Pottsville will be too much too handle and possibly even Ozark.

1-3 against subi...I know the new coach should help...but it's hard to shake a trend this bad...

Waldron has played Subiaco way more than 4 times in Waldrons school history and the record would be in Waldrons favor.  Subiaco was however Waldrons last win.

And that was obviously just the 4 times from their last stint in the 4a-4

[PrivateLesson]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

[HorseFeathers]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Ok? The rest of us were talking about the last time they were in a conference together....

[Proud Buckaroo]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Well... What's the all time record then? Because Fearless Friday only goes to 2001. Which everyone is going off THAT record when they were in conference together.

Here is what fearless Friday has:

Waldron leads series 6-3.
2001 (08) W, 40 - 27       
2002 (08) W, 33 - 10       
2003 (08) W, 41 - 13       
2006-11-03 W, 28 - 19       
2007-11-02 W, 28 - 21       
2010-10-15 L, 26 - 34       
2011-10-14 W, 29 - 21       
2012-10-05 L, 14 - 42       
2013-10-11 L, 25 - 48

[PrivateLesson]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Ok? The rest of us were talking about the last time they were in a conference together....

I know.  I was only making a statement.  That's all.   

[PrivateLesson]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Well... What's the all time record then? Because Fearless Friday only goes to 2001. Which everyone is going off THAT record when they were in conference together.

Here is what fearless Friday has:

Waldron leads series 6-3.
2001 (08) W, 40 - 27       
2002 (08) W, 33 - 10       
2003 (08) W, 41 - 13       
2006-11-03 W, 28 - 19       
2007-11-02 W, 28 - 21       
2010-10-15 L, 26 - 34       
2011-10-14 W, 29 - 21       
2012-10-05 L, 14 - 42       
2013-10-11 L, 25 - 48

Everyone knows where the stat page is located on Fearless Friday and also knows it is only as accurate as information provided.   Thanks for listing it, anyway.   

[Proud Buckaroo]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Well... What's the all time record then? Because Fearless Friday only goes to 2001. Which everyone is going off THAT record when they were in conference together.

Here is what fearless Friday has:

Waldron leads series 6-3.
2001 (08) W, 40 - 27       
2002 (08) W, 33 - 10       
2003 (08) W, 41 - 13       
2006-11-03 W, 28 - 19       
2007-11-02 W, 28 - 21       
2010-10-15 L, 26 - 34       
2011-10-14 W, 29 - 21       
2012-10-05 L, 14 - 42       
2013-10-11 L, 25 - 48

Everyone knows where the stat page is located on Fearless Friday and also knows it is only as accurate as information provided.   Thanks for listing it, anyway.   

Thanks for not answering my question. I didn't post the overall record since 2001 because no one knows how to get there. I was posting it with my question..

[cuckoobird]

Well actually Waldron and Subiaco both back in the 80's and 90's were both in the 4A conference in years past.   Years ago, tho.

Well... What's the all time record then? Because Fearless Friday only goes to 2001. Which everyone is going off THAT record when they were in conference together.

Here is what fearless Friday has:

Waldron leads series 6-3.
2001 (08) W, 40 - 27       
2002 (08) W, 33 - 10       
2003 (08) W, 41 - 13       
2006-11-03 W, 28 - 19       
2007-11-02 W, 28 - 21       
2010-10-15 L, 26 - 34       
2011-10-14 W, 29 - 21       
2012-10-05 L, 14 - 42       
2013-10-11 L, 25 - 48

Everyone knows where the stat page is located on Fearless Friday and also knows it is only as accurate as information provided.   Thanks for listing it, anyway.   

Thanks for not answering my question. I didn't post the overall record since 2001 because no one knows how to get there. I was posting it with my question..

I think you need that check up, your panties seem to be in a bind lately.

[RTF]

PrivateLesson.. do you seriously think Subi would bash itself on their own website? I also, have first hand knowledge that 12th man is wrong... also, SOME of the kids that do go on to good colleges have already graded out BEFORE they get to Subi, in other words, they are already of high IQ, so does that make Subi academics better?

[Lacerta agilis]

Maybe we can get back to posting about football tomorrow since there are some scrimmage games tonight.

[beach bum]

If Dardanelle goes undefeated again which most people expect that.... it will be quite the feat for a school like that to go 20-0 in a 2 year stretch. At PG we almost pulled it off 2 and 3 years ago. The only loss was a 28-21 loss to eventual 5A state champ Morrilton. I guess what I am trying to say is you expect a school like Nashville or Warren, and even Charleston in 3A, or JC in 2A, or PA in 5A to pull that off from time to time but not a school like where I am from or Dardanelle(although Warren always plays such a difficult non conference school to pull it off). I see Dardanelle getting another 12 or 13 wins again which will be unbelievable for any program to pull that off 2 years running. Pottsville as a rivalry game could be the only speck of chance for a loss this year.

[SUGARTOWN]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

[PrivateLesson]

I thought Dardanelles QB was one of the main factors they did so well.   Didn't he graduate?

[SUGARTOWN]

I thought Dardanelles QB was one of the main factors they did so well.   Didn't he graduate?

Yes he did.

[beach bum]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

I may be wrong but I thought it was at least 5 on both sides of the ball. I don't have that trusty magazine with me though to know for sure. They return nearly all the lineman on both sides of the ball. Losing that QB will kill them when it comes deep into playoff time and you need those desperate chain movers on 3rd and short or stretching a 2 yard gain into a 5 yard gain on 2nd and long. Anybody that knows small town high school football knows they won't be the same on offense without him.

[PrivateLesson]

PrivateLesson.. do you seriously think Subi would bash itself on their own website? I also, have first hand knowledge that 12th man is wrong... also, SOME of the kids that do go on to good colleges have already graded out BEFORE they get to Subi, in other words, they are already of high IQ, so does that make Subi academics better?

What difference does that make in how Subi competes in Football?  We already established they are known for academics.  So, you know and have first hand information....good for you.   Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and I'm not going to bash any school....I don't care who it is. 

[beach bum]

PrivateLesson.. do you seriously think Subi would bash itself on their own website? I also, have first hand knowledge that 12th man is wrong... also, SOME of the kids that do go on to good colleges have already graded out BEFORE they get to Subi, in other words, they are already of high IQ, so does that make Subi academics better?

What difference does that make in how Subi competes in Football?  We already established they are known for academics.  So, you know and have first hand information....good for you.   Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and I'm not going to bash any school....I don't care who it is.

Wow, aren't you a Paris poster? A little jealous of the private school right down the road?

[SUGARTOWN]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

I may be wrong but I thought it was at least 5 on both sides of the ball. I don't have that trusty magazine with me though to know for sure. They return nearly all the lineman on both sides of the ball. Losing that QB will kill them when it comes deep into playoff time and you need those desperate chain movers on 3rd and short or stretching a 2 yard gain into a 5 yard gain on 2nd and long. Anybody that knows small town high school football knows they won't be the same on offense without him.

Oh I agree, they have a weak schedule but they'll be in trouble come playoff time. If Robinson gets a little better play calling this year they COULD win that conference IMO.

[WPWells]

What am I wrong about?

[Lacerta agilis]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

No, 4 returning starters is not  correct.

[PrivateLesson]

PrivateLesson.. do you seriously think Subi would bash itself on their own website? I also, have first hand knowledge that 12th man is wrong... also, SOME of the kids that do go on to good colleges have already graded out BEFORE they get to Subi, in other words, they are already of high IQ, so does that make Subi academics better?

What difference does that make in how Subi competes in Football?  We already established they are known for academics.  So, you know and have first hand information....good for you.   Everyone is entitled to their own opinion....and I'm not going to bash any school....I don't care who it is.

Wow, aren't you a Paris poster? A little jealous of the private school right down the road?

What?    I'm not a Paris poster per say....I'm just a fan of football.   


RTF is the one who I thought was "The Official Paris Poster."

[WPWells]

I think he was talking to RTF

[hawgfan15]

Dardanelle returns 5 on offense and 7 on defense I am pretty sure.

The Lizards will be very stout on defense once again. I think most people's main concern is are they going to be able to put up points against other good teams. Kershner is one of the better skill players in 4A and they have arguably the best Oline in 4A which is a good start offensively.

[Lacerta agilis]

Dardanelle returns 5 on offense and 7 on defense I am pretty sure.

The Lizards will be very stout on defense once again. I think most people's main concern is are they going to be able to put up points against other good teams. Kershner is one of the better skill players in 4A and they have arguably the best Oline in 4A which is a good start offensively.

Correct.

[SUGARTOWN]

Dardanelle returns 5 on offense and 7 on defense I am pretty sure.

The Lizards will be very stout on defense once again. I think most people's main concern is are they going to be able to put up points against other good teams. Kershner is one of the better skill players in 4A and they have arguably the best Oline in 4A which is a good start offensively.

Yeah, I didn't think that only 4 starters returning sounded right.

[RTF]

I'm a PAris poster? heck.. I didn't even know that...

[PrivateLesson]

I'm a PAris poster? heck.. I didn't even know that...

Glad you pay attention.   Keep it up and you'll be more than that. lol! 

[RTF]

I wish I could but I have a curfew!

[PrivateLesson]

I wish I could but I have a curfew!

Don't flatter your self.    I was meaning how you didn't seem to support your first hand information you claim about Subiaco.   Seriously, wondering what it is you have against Subi?

[hawgfan15]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

I may be wrong but I thought it was at least 5 on both sides of the ball. I don't have that trusty magazine with me though to know for sure. They return nearly all the lineman on both sides of the ball. Losing that QB will kill them when it comes deep into playoff time and you need those desperate chain movers on 3rd and short or stretching a 2 yard gain into a 5 yard gain on 2nd and long. Anybody that knows small town high school football knows they won't be the same on offense without him.

Oh I agree, they have a weak schedule but they'll be in trouble come playoff time. If Robinson gets a little better play calling this year they COULD win that conference IMO.

I don't think people are talking enough about Robinson. They are loaded at the skill positions. Here are a few names to know.

RB/WR TJ Hammonds - Arkansas commit
QB- Brennan Johnson - 3 year starter
RB- Miles Fells - Jr transfer from PA.
WR- Nathan Page - Just a sophomore and already receiving big time D1 attention

Dardanelles winning experience and overall physicality makes them the favorite for sure but Robinson will give them a good game this year.

[RTF]

absolutley nothing.... lol

By the way I am still waiting for my "privatelesson"

[PrivateLesson]

absolutley nothing.... lol

By the way I am still waiting for my "privatelesson"

lol

[Anonymous]

I need some help understanding this.....Dardanelle preseason #1.  I am from Yell county and I follow all the teams in the River Valley, but I am also realistic.  There is no way this team will be as dominant or powerful as last years team.  Yea the defense should be legit, but they still have to replace Gerardo Hernandez, Parker Witt, Easton carter, & Michael Dugan all of which were either all state or all conference.  Then there is offense where they have to replace Kristian Thompson, TJ Tucker, Parker Witt, Michael Dugan, Gerardo Hernandez and Easton Carter.  Which Thompson and Tucker were both all state also. Yea you have Kershner.....but he can't do everything.  Last year there could have been as many as 5 offensive weapons on the field at one time.  This year there is one real threat......Kershner.  This years team has bigger numbers but not any quality players that can fill the void that these young men are leaving.  Now before everyone from Dardanelle starts dogging me, I'm not saying that this team won't win some games bc they will.  Besides, we all know that the 4a is down this year, and if they WERE to win state, that would be the reason.  And I also think that the only reason they ranked preseason #1 is bc what last years team did.  It's not fair for people (especially from Dardanelle) to take away what that team accomplished last year and the atmosphere they brought to not only Dardanelle but the whole River Valley.  Even if this years lizards won state....they still wouldn't be the team from last year.  Put this years team in the place of last years team and the outcome wouldn't have been the same.....not even close.  They are the same team minus 6 legit playmakers.  With no one of their ability to replace them. 

[beach bum]

I need some help understanding this.....Dardanelle preseason #1.  I am from Yell county and I follow all the teams in the River Valley, but I am also realistic.  There is no way this team will be as dominant or powerful as last years team.  Yea the defense should be legit, but they still have to replace Gerardo Hernandez, Parker Witt, Easton carter, & Michael Dugan all of which were either all state or all conference.  Then there is offense where they have to replace Kristian Thompson, TJ Tucker, Parker Witt, Michael Dugan, Gerardo Hernandez and Easton Carter.  Which Thompson and Tucker were both all state also. Yea you have Kershner.....but he can't do everything.  Last year there could have been as many as 5 offensive weapons on the field at one time.  This year there is one real threat......Kershner.  This years team has bigger numbers but not any quality players that can fill the void that these young men are leaving.  Now before everyone from Dardanelle starts dogging me, I'm not saying that this team won't win some games bc they will.  Besides, we all know that the 4a is down this year, and if they WERE to win state, that would be the reason.  And I also think that the only reason they ranked preseason #1 is bc what last years team did.  It's not fair for people (especially from Dardanelle) to take away what that team accomplished last year and the atmosphere they brought to not only Dardanelle but the whole River Valley.  Even if this years lizards won state....they still wouldn't be the team from last year.  Put this years team in the place of last years team and the outcome wouldn't have been the same.....not even close.  They are the same team minus 6 legit playmakers.  With no one of their ability to replace them.

Stop it now.... you are making too much sense. I am high on Dardanelle but realistic at the same time. I am saying 13-1 again which is beyond impressive for a two year stretch. But that #1 ranking is the most ridiculous thing I have seen.

[SandRattler]

I need some help understanding this.....Dardanelle preseason #1.  I am from Yell county and I follow all the teams in the River Valley, but I am also realistic.  There is no way this team will be as dominant or powerful as last years team.  Yea the defense should be legit, but they still have to replace Gerardo Hernandez, Parker Witt, Easton carter, & Michael Dugan all of which were either all state or all conference.  Then there is offense where they have to replace Kristian Thompson, TJ Tucker, Parker Witt, Michael Dugan, Gerardo Hernandez and Easton Carter.  Which Thompson and Tucker were both all state also. Yea you have Kershner.....but he can't do everything.  Last year there could have been as many as 5 offensive weapons on the field at one time.  This year there is one real threat......Kershner.  This years team has bigger numbers but not any quality players that can fill the void that these young men are leaving.  Now before everyone from Dardanelle starts dogging me, I'm not saying that this team won't win some games bc they will.  Besides, we all know that the 4a is down this year, and if they WERE to win state, that would be the reason.  And I also think that the only reason they ranked preseason #1 is bc what last years team did.  It's not fair for people (especially from Dardanelle) to take away what that team accomplished last year and the atmosphere they brought to not only Dardanelle but the whole River Valley.  Even if this years lizards won state....they still wouldn't be the team from last year.  Put this years team in the place of last years team and the outcome wouldn't have been the same.....not even close.  They are the same team minus 6 legit playmakers.  With no one of their ability to replace them.

Fair I guess your momma never told you sometimes life just isn't fair! I have a kid on the team and I don't know of anyone that has said we are as good or better this year. Those kids you mentioned without a doubt were awesome and some will be hard to impossible to replace. However we have what we have and we will play what we have to play. I think Dardanelle as always will take this a game at a time and we will concentrate on conference first and playoffs when we get there. Your pathetic attitude toward the others who helped make last year what it was and are back this year doing the best that can to make for another good season. Those 6 players were very legit but it took several more to have the success we had last year. I am sure I know you and the sad part is I probably think I like you which bothers me that I like such a cowardly moron. To start a new profile to break down this years team is pitiful. My son played last year and we are proud to have been a Lizard last year and win or lose we are proud to be a Lizard this year. Unlike yourself I find bragging distasteful.

[APACHE]

Barclay Almanac guys say Dardanelle only returns 4 starters? Is this correct? And don't tell me how much "experience" your backups have...only 4 starters return?

I may be wrong but I thought it was at least 5 on both sides of the ball. I don't have that trusty magazine with me though to know for sure. They return nearly all the lineman on both sides of the ball. Losing that QB will kill them when it comes deep into playoff time and you need those desperate chain movers on 3rd and short or stretching a 2 yard gain into a 5 yard gain on 2nd and long. Anybody that knows small town high school football knows they won't be the same on offense without him.

Oh I agree, they have a weak schedule but they'll be in trouble come playoff time. If Robinson gets a little better play calling this year they COULD win that conference IMO.

I don't think people are talking enough about Robinson. They are loaded at the skill positions. Here are a few names to know.

RB/WR TJ Hammonds - Arkansas commit
QB- Brennan Johnson - 3 year starter
RB- Miles Fells - Jr transfer from PA.
WR- Nathan Page - Just a sophomore and already receiving big time D1 attention

Dardanelles winning experience and overall physicality makes them the favorite for sure but Robinson will give them a good game this year.

I heard through the grapevine that RB- Miles Fells - Jr transfer from PA tore his ACL??

[hawgfan15]

He did last year. You heard he has torn it again?