Something I found interesting about this years playoff is the story of Pine Bluff High School fighting for a 5th straight trip and a 6th trip in 8 years to Little Rock to play for a 6A Championship. I often read the threads on here about the different dominate powerhouse teams over the past few years and the convo seems to always revolve around Greenwood and go away from the Zebras. Now I am not knocking Greenwood for the level of success they've had since joining 6A because they have been dominate against teams across the 6A/7A landscape except for Pine Bluff High a team that went to Greenwood in 2013 and walked away with a 37-34 playoff victory (something that rarely happens) which ended the bulldogs 50 game winning streak as well as defeated a very very talented/powerful Greenwood team 28-21 in the 2015 6A Championship. Now Greenwood does own its sole 51-44 victory over the Zebras in the 2012 6A Championship but since then the Zebras have gone to the 6A Championship in 2013 and winning back to back Championships in 2014 & 2015. Is that still not enough to gather the respect of 6A football fans from across the state and if so why not? That's the question I would like to know.
So many points. I don't even know where all to begin.
First off, I know you're not an ESPN guy. Most likely either a player or parent. Or possibly another account made by a poster for kicks. Who knows
I have a lot I wanna say. But do you ever just start typing and then just don't know exactly how to respond to what they say? Well this is me now.
I know there will be many more posters post something that will be much better than anything I could try and say. So I'll just say this.
Yes Pine Bluff has a lot A LOT of respect.
Respect is an attribute that is earned not given. If one has to ask for respect, they probably don't deserve it. I have never read a Zebra backer ever ask for respect, it isn't necessary, their play speaks for itself; their record speaks for itself. On the other side, no one ever disrespects the Zebras either, which is a sign of respect in and of itself. My team has been on the playing field with PB. We won one and lost one. My observation after both games is how PB showed respect for the team they had lost to and the teams they beat. If you took the time to go back on my posts about three years ago, you would read about my respect, but PB didn't ask for it, they earned it. I don't know if that answered you question or not, but I, like "The Future" question the motive of a poster who just signed up today and has one post to his credit. If you are truly a first time fan and are asking a question like this for the right reason, you haven't earned the respect of the posters on this forum yet. You don't do that with just one post.
I actually do work for ESPN. I co-host a sports talk show on ESPN Radio 104.5 FM in Baton Rouge Louisiana. I'm a Pine Bluff Arkansas native & a proud alum of Pine Bluff High School class of 2007. I'm also a sports writer as well as I cover highschool and college football (LSU, Southern Univ, Tulane, ULL, Southeastern) in the South Louisiana area. I'm also a contributer to The Underfeated which highlights black college football. I covered the Arkansas 6A & 7A Football State Championship last year as well as the 3A, 4A, & 5A Louisiana Football Highschool State Championship. The list goes on in terms of my background but just to name a few.
Well, then by all means you should know better than to base anything off of a message board, or a caller driven show, haha.
Well, uh, okay, you've earned my respect! I didn't intend to jump down your throat, but most posters on 6A know about PB and have a high regard for them. Respect is there, it just isn't mentioned because it doesn't have to be. I personally have a high regard for their program. I have a personal reason. My grandson played WR for Benton. He had just moved there his senior year, so PB didn't know about him. In the game for the championship of 6A South he scored 5 tds. and wound up beating the Zebras. The PB players came to him and hugged his neck and some even talked to him for several minutes. This is a sign of respect. That made me respect them. Of course this respect some times comes back to haunt you. In the championship game, they knew who to stop. They did. Even then, they came to him and hugged his neck and consoled him. That's a sign of respect. I have since had the utmost respect for those kids and have and will defend them to this day. Hope you feel better. This is just one man's opinion!
I do this for a living lol so I hear all type of things from people from phone calls to the blogs. I joined Fearless Friday to simply engage more with with you guys in Arkansas in terms of the 6A forum. I keep up with all sports from the state but I was curious with this topic because of what I stated above and what I typically see posted in these threads. I see you guys take this thread serious as if it is a job but trust me there's more coming from me as I move up the ranks in the Fearless Friday world lol
I respect PB. If there is not as much respect this year for them, it probably has to do with more on what they had to replace than the team itself. Plus, they have shown some vulnerability. Last year, they showed none in the first 12 games as they allowed next to no points. I thought they were probably the best team overall in the state including 7A. GW played them admirable with a much smaller less talented team,but lost ultimately to a better team. In 2013, IMO GW was the better team I thought since the PB kids were so young. GW gave up an 11 pt lead late in that game which they almost never do. That youth showed its head in the 2013 championship game when ED came in and took the title from them. They really should be 3 time defending champs. In 2012, we had the best athlete on the field and probably the state in Drew Morgan. Many did not believe he was as good as we claimed until after we had beat them. So, that makes PB 2-1 against GW which is not really an overwhelming edge, but the games came on big stages and PB got the job done in 2 of the 3. As a GW fan, there is definitely respect based on that, but not fear. I certainly don't think PB fears GW as well.
Hey ESPN guy contact me 870-872-2294. The greenwood have more posters on fearless Friday than PBHS does, they actually talk more than they win. PBHS is 11th in the nation are far as state championships. We just let em keep typing away lol. Shoot me a text when u get a chance. Pine Bluff born n breed here!!
Quote from: itsslim on November 09, 2016, 04:00:02 pm
Hey ESPN guy contact me 870-872-2294. The greenwood have more posters on fearless Friday than PBHS does, they actually talk more than they win. PBHS is 11th in the nation are far as state championships. We just let em keep typing away lol. Shoot me a text when u get a chance. Pine Bluff born n breed here!!
Slim, you should stick to soliciting on every single thread that website your games are shown on. You have about 701 posts and 600 are you soliciting that website with Meridex. He should probably talk to urbanlegend or zebradynasty. They offer a little more insight/knowledge into the Zebras than a hyperlink selling access.
Quote from: Pr8hd on November 09, 2016, 04:25:15 pm
Slim, you should stick to soliciting on every single thread that website your games are shown on. You have about 701 posts and 600 are you soliciting that website with Meridex. He should probably talk to urbanlegend or zebradynasty. They offer a little more insight/knowledge into the Zebras than a hyperlink selling access.
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree. Slim does provide useful information such as the national title ranking he posted on another thread. Also, what's wrong with networking? I believe that is what he's doing by giving his contact info. All and all I agree with your analysis of the whole "respect" topic. Both teams are well respected just through different paths.
lol your opinion. I don't post everything on this site sir. This probably your only outlet to get your point across only though so shoot for it. All publicity is good publicity thanks man. Also sir, I haven't missed a zebra game in the last 8 years. I know what I'm talking about. Just don't tell everything I know on here sir
Quote from: itsslim on November 09, 2016, 05:06:43 pm
lol your opinion. I don't post everything on this site sir. This probably your only outlet to get your point across only though so shoot for it. All publicity is good publicity thanks man. Also sir, I haven't missed a zebra game in the last 8 years. I know what I'm talking about. Just don't tell everything I know on here sir
Thank goodness.......
Zebras 2016 champs again.
I said I respected PB players and coaches, but sometimes it's difficult to respect all the posters from PB and GW, especially those who don't know the definition of the word "humility". lol They each have at least one poster most of us would rather not hear from.lol
Oh well now that all the personal jabs at adults who can no longer play football, let's talk about pine bluff not getting the respect it should, please
I assume you are talking to me? Oh well, you won't find a non-Pine Bluffian who respects the PB football program more than me. But, as I said before, if you have to ask for it, you don't deserve it! The football program didn't ask for it, they earned it, hard to say the same for the posters. lol
Ok man thanks 🙏🏿
Quote from: Pr8hd on November 09, 2016, 04:25:15 pm
Slim, you should stick to soliciting on every single thread that website your games are shown on. You have about 701 posts and 600 are you soliciting that website with Meridex. He should probably talk to urbanlegend or zebradynasty. They offer a little more insight/knowledge into the Zebras than a hyperlink selling access.
I got left off😰
Too many keyboard bullies on here man. Lol
Quote from: zebrafan on November 09, 2016, 06:17:00 pm
I got left off😰
Sorry, ZF I would consider you a good source as well. I would not read Slim or the other new guy running around here saying the Zebra's QB was carrying the team, he should be D1, he was all they got, so on, etc. You should put as much stock in those as Bulldogger15 acting like he's a GW fan.
😂
I think what ESPNguy was getting at is that even though PB gets respect...most of the time when it's a big game PB is the underdog no matter the opponent it seems. Part of that is we had a streak of getting to WM but not winning. I find it more satisfying when people that underestimate us HAVE TO give us respect once we beat them.
By and large PB posters aren't that bad on here not that many for one but most are pretty knowledgeable about football both male and female. I can't think of one PB poster that every time they post I cringe because I know they going to say something stupid.
Man these folks wild. Who puts much stock into a free, public forum!! Everybody has an opinion, can't get upset about what someone posts. heck Donald Duck was just elected president, anything goes. Still 😂c u guys in the press box at War Memorial stadium December 3rd my pb fans holla at as usual
Quote from: itsslim on November 09, 2016, 05:06:43 pm
lol your opinion. I don't post everything on this site sir. This probably your only outlet to get your point across only though so shoot for it. All publicity is good publicity thanks man. Also sir, I haven't missed a zebra game in the last 8 years. I know what I'm talking about. Just don't tell everything I know on here sir
Let's see you are an avid fan, but yet joined in 2014 so the timeline probably coincides with the site launch.
I said I respected the Zebras as well as mentioned the other day about the rankings you posted that it was impressive to have 2 Arkansas schools on the list. I believe that most all on here said they respected PB so far. You are the one that wanted to come with excuses and insults. I can respect your team, but sure as heck doesn't mean I have to tolerate your lack of respect or humility when others show reverence.
My bad for not joining fearless Friday the day it opened!!! Because I didn't I'm not a fan lol!! Ok 👌🏾
I said thanks earlier
Quote from: itsslim on November 09, 2016, 04:00:02 pm
The greenwood have more posters on fearless Friday than PBHS does, they actually talk more than they win.
Was the thanks before or after this little gem? If that's a thanks, we have two very different ideas of gratitude.
Lol aww man just having a lil fun. Heck we all fans who can't play the game anymore but still like talking trash from time to time
Also, name me all these GW posters you make reference too? Future and me are about the only real regulars I see with any frequency any more (ocassionally BS, rona, or Diehard ( she has a new name now) will come around. I see far more these days of ZD, urbanlegend, zebrafan, and even yourself. GW has lots of one shot posters some come and go. I've made it known on here for a long time bulldogger was an imposter posting under an alias or some one with a deep rooted agenda. He likes to talk trash too and chum the waters. I can't buy into that or the way he acts either even if he really is a GW fan.
Past records are "past" records. Every year a team is likely to lose and pick up players. I respect past too. But what they have now is what they have now. If they make final playoff game and win then this years team gets more respect. To many people think more about what has happened than what is currently happening. They are again, this year a good team. With two losses already this good team has shown they can lose just like any other team.
Yea u right about that. Bulldogger or whatever his name is just love pushing folks buttons. Glad u cleared that up!! Most everyone else is cool
I only advertise the website, because some folks ask about the zebras, instead of asking all the questions, watch the games after it's over. It's on demand on the website. I know most are watching their respective teams play live. But all zebra games are archived. Just like greenwood, been watching their games online from their website for the past 4-5 years.
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 10:12:27 am
Something I found interesting about this years playoff is the story of Pine Bluff High School fighting for a 5th straight trip and a 6th trip in 8 years to Little Rock to play for a 6A Championship. I often read the threads on here about the different dominate powerhouse teams over the past few years and the convo seems to always revolve around Greenwood and go away from the Zebras. Now I am not knocking Greenwood for the level of success they've had since joining 6A because they have been dominate against teams across the 6A/7A landscape except for Pine Bluff High a team that went to Greenwood in 2013 and walked away with a 37-34 playoff victory (something that rarely happens) which ended the bulldogs 50 game winning streak as well as defeated a very very talented/powerful Greenwood team 28-21 in the 2015 6A Championship. Now Greenwood does own its sole 51-44 victory over the Zebras in the 2012 6A Championship but since then the Zebras have gone to the 6A Championship in 2013 and winning back to back Championships in 2014 & 2015. Is that still not enough to gather the respect of 6A football fans from across the state and if so why not? That's the question I would like to know.
Good topic. Like most on here, I think anyone who really knows AR HS football respects PB and their accomplishments over the years. As for recent history, I think (just my opinion) GW has gotten more attention across the state because of the 7A/6A combined conf experiment. GW ended up playing SS, NS, Conway, Bryant, etc., and PB was playing all 6A schools. Not saying this is right, but wins over SS, NS and Conway get more attn across the state than beating teams you should beat.
At the end of the day, state titles are what matters and PB does just fine in that category.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 09, 2016, 08:39:51 pm
Good topic. Like most on here, I think anyone who really knows AR HS football respects PB and their accomplishments over the years. As for recent history, I think (just my opinion) GW has gotten more attention across the state because of the 7A/6A combined conf experiment. GW ended up playing SS, NS, Conway, Bryant, etc., and PB was playing all 6A schools. Not saying this is right, but wins over SS, NS and Conway get more attn across the state than beating teams you should beat.
At the end of the day, state titles are what matters and PB does just fine in that category.
I believe PB played NLR, NS, and Cabot in non-conference lately.
Correct ricepig
Quote from: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 08:43:21 pm
I believe PB played NLR, NS, and Cabot in non-conference lately.
That's right I believe, I just don't hear as much about their schedule here in NWA. From memory, I think they lost to NLR and maybe split with NS, and not sure about Cabot. Overall, prob not as much success as GW has had against 7A schools. If I am wrong, please correct my memory lapse since I didn't take the time to look them up.
Honestly, now that Bville has split, I think a BHS game against PB or GW would be a great noncon game.
I'm ready to go back to just 6A and let the top 32 fight it out. Would be some great games.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 09, 2016, 08:39:51 pm
Good topic. Like most on here, I think anyone who really knows AR HS football respects PB and their accomplishments over the years. As for recent history, I think (just my opinion) GW has gotten more attention across the state because of the 7A/6A combined conf experiment. GW ended up playing SS, NS, Conway, Bryant, etc., and PB was playing all 6A schools. Not saying this is right, but wins over SS, NS and Conway get more attn across the state than beating teams you should beat.
At the end of the day, state titles are what matters and PB does just fine in that category.
I think we see Greenwood playing those games in large part to how many 7A teams that are in that area of the state. Looking at Pine Bluff's location in terms of travel there aren't many 7A teams in the region besides a couple Little Rock area schools, Bryant, & Conway. The rest of the area is full of 6A schools in which the Zebras have a pretty good track record against. The 5A (besides Watson Chapel), & 4A schools in the area don't want anything to do with the Zebras. Something I would love to see and I've been wanting for a while now is to see Pine Bluff High begin playing out of state opponents that are close in the region. Maybe a school like Monroe Neville or West Monroe High who contenders pretty much every year in Louisiana or even a school out of the Memphis area would be great to see for the Z's. I see the Northwest Arkansas schools doing this a lot with Oklahoma and Missouri. Even South Panola of of Mississippi would be a great matchup I believe. The Z's have a pretty successful track record to be able to play with those teams.
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 09:04:02 pm
I think we see Greenwood playing those games in large part to how many 7A teams that are in that area of the state. Looking at Pine Bluff's location in terms of travel there aren't many 7A teams in the region besides a couple Little Rock area schools, Bryant, & Conway. The rest of the area is full of 6A schools in which the Zebras have a pretty good track record against. The 5A (besides Watson Chapel), & 4A schools in the area don't want anything to do with the Zebras. Something I would love to see and I've been wanting for a while now is to see Pine Bluff High begin playing out of state opponents that are close in the region. Maybe a school like Monroe Neville or West Monroe High who contenders pretty much every year in Louisiana or even a school out of the Memphis area would be great to see for the Z's. I see the Northwest Arkansas schools doing this a lot with Oklahoma and Missouri. Even South Panola of of Mississippi would be a great matchup I believe. The Z's have a pretty successful track record to be able to play with those teams.
Totally agree. I think PB would match up pretty well with top schools in MS or even N LA. South Panola had 1 or 2 really good games with NLR, but they were no match with a strong Bville team a few years back.
AR teams have had some success against top out of state teams, and we've had some bad experiences. Overall though, I like the exposure it brings AR kids.
Bentonville has played more out of state powers than any other AR team recently, and my favorite game ended in a loss. I was so proud of how the Tigers stood toe to toe with Euless Trinity (3 seasons ago) and had a chance to win in the 4Q. I wasn't expecting to be able to hang with such a powerful program, but the kids stepped up. My point is that AR HS football has improved and I think we have a ton of talent to compete. I would like to see more of these games. Harber stepped up big time this year and played Jenks. They lost, but it was close in the 2nd half. Nothing to be ashamed of losing to such a nationally prominent program.
Quote from: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 08:43:21 pm
I believe PB played NLR, NS, and Cabot in non-conference lately.
One of the reasons why I asked Respect or No Respect is because Pine Bluff High doesn't get much or hardly any exposure in the Nothwest Arkansas area which in large part makes it rough for people across the state particular in that area to really understand what kind of program the Zebras have. People in that area are so loaded with 7A teams that I honestly feel they look down on the rest of the state in terms of competition. Pine Bluff High finished in the MaxPrep Top 100 last year going undefeated (13-0) with victories over 7A teams Fort Smith Northside (our longest active rival) & North Little Rock as well as a victory of 6A power Greenwood. The lack of exposure in that area and because of the great distance really plays apart when it comes to people respecting the program or even keeping up with them. In the past the Z's have also played Fayetteville, Fort Smith Southside, & Bentonville back in the old 5A set up. So I think you can better understand the post now and what I am asking.
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 09:31:43 pm
One of the reasons why I asked Respect or No Respect is because Pine Bluff High doesn't get much or hardly any exposure in the Nothwest Arkansas area which in large part makes it rough for people across the state particular in that area to really understand what kind of program the Zebras have. People in that area are so loaded with 7A teams that I honestly feel they look down on the rest of the state in terms of competition. Pine Bluff High finished in the MaxPrep Top 100 last year going undefeated (13-0) with victories over 7A teams Fort Smith Northside (our longest active rival) & North Little Rock as well as a victory of 6A power Greenwood. The lack of exposure in that area and because of the great distance really plays apart when it comes to people respecting the program or even keeping up with them. In the past the Z's have also played Fayetteville, Fort Smith Southside, & Bentonville back in the old 5A set up. So I think you can better understand the post now and what I am asking.
All good points. NWA is loaded with AR transplants that don't know the history of Barton, PB, Central, etc... in terms of AR HS football.
I think RR is right about the scheduling. GW had 3 non-con games with 7A teams last year and 4 conference 7A teams. They went 7-0 against basically half the Big Boys in the 7A. Now, the real heavyweights of the 7A weren't on the schedule. Those wins when you are the smallest 6A over the Big Boys, get attention especially in the western part of Arkansas as it was pointed out. Those heavyweight teams in NWA will continue to not be as threatened by the rest of the state until a 7A like NLR can overthrow one of them, so far that has not happened as the finals have been 2 NWA teams for several years in a row now.
As far as the Z's I said I thought they probably had the best overall team in the state last year. I think I saw a few people say that at seasons end for sure. We don't know that without a doubt because they couldn't settle it on the field though. I think had this years NS game been played esp. the way NS's season has gone, we would know a little more. Ultimately, the Z's are the back to back defending champions until someone knocks them out and ends that quest for 3 in a row. Until then, it's all just talk and speculation.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 09, 2016, 09:38:45 pm
All good points. NWA is loaded with AR transplants that don't know the history of Barton, PB, Central, etc... in terms of AR HS football.
This ^ and the same applies to a large degree in GW, lots of people here that only know the Bulldogs as winners not the times before 1996 when they were virtually irrelevant most years.
+1
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 09:31:43 pm
One of the reasons why I asked Respect or No Respect is because Pine Bluff High doesn't get much or hardly any exposure in the Nothwest Arkansas area which in large part makes it rough for people across the state particular in that area to really understand what kind of program the Zebras have. People in that area are so loaded with 7A teams that I honestly feel they look down on the rest of the state in terms of competition. Pine Bluff High finished in the MaxPrep Top 100 last year going undefeated (13-0) with victories over 7A teams Fort Smith Northside (our longest active rival) & North Little Rock as well as a victory of 6A power Greenwood. The lack of exposure in that area and because of the great distance really plays apart when it comes to people respecting the program or even keeping up with them. In the past the Z's have also played Fayetteville, Fort Smith Southside, & Bentonville back in the old 5A set up. So I think you can better understand the post now and what I am asking.
Again, if you are basing your "respect" on what someone says on here, then you are going to be disappointed. The NWA additions of the ADG definitely promote those area schools more than the guys in LR who cover central Arkansas football. I guess you need to look to the PB Commercial for your "respect". There aren't 20 "regular" posters on the 6A and 7A boards on here, so I guess I fail to understand the distraught you feign over this.
I'm new to this Forum but I think alot of 7A schools are scared to play 6A schools and Pine Bluff is one they are scared of. Our tradition is the strongest in the state but alot of schools don't understand, so as we continue to win then they have no reason not to give us our respect. We deserve it
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 07:08:45 am
Again, if you are basing your "respect" on what someone says on here, then you are going to be disappointed. The NWA additions of the ADG definitely promote those area schools more than the guys in LR who cover central Arkansas football. I guess you need to look to the PB Commercial for your "respect". There aren't 20 "regular" posters on the 6A and 7A boards on here, so I guess I fail to understand the distraught you feign over this.
I think you overplayed your hand on that. The poster asked a very legitimate question and articulated in a way not really putting down anyone or blaming anyone. I am sure him being so involved with keeping up with athletics and living outside of the state gives him a unique perspective. I also think him being a former Zebra may also affect that perspective. But nothing he's said so far leads me to think we have another idiot on our hands like bullcrapper! So lighten up and let's listen more than we talk.
Dang, 2000Zebra, you are new to this forum. Two posts! Anyway, I don't think anyone is "scared" to play Pine Bluff, or "scared" to play anyone for that matter. They do "respect" Pine Bluff for what it has accomplished and the continued success year after year. But, most schools are excited to play a school such as PB so they can measure their program. How many teams can look at Pine Bluff and say, "we were the last team to beat them at home?" Only Benton can and it is a source of pride. That pride emanates from the respect they have for Pine Bluff, not their fear. PB has earned that respect, but one should never say "we deserve it". That is sort of like saying, "give me respect". You don't have to ask, it's just there.
Quote from: zebradynasty on November 10, 2016, 09:14:56 am
I think you overplayed your hand on that. The poster asked a very legitimate question and articulated in a way not really putting down anyone or blaming anyone. I am sure him being so involved with keeping up with athletics and living outside of the state gives him a unique perspective. I also think him being a former Zebra may also affect that perspective. But nothing he's said so far leads me to think we have another idiot on our hands like bullcrapper! So lighten up and let's listen more than we talk.
Maybe he needs to read more before he posts, again, outside of a couple of posters and your neighbors in PB, I don't find anyone "dissin" on PB.
Quote from: 2000ZEBRA on November 10, 2016, 08:41:24 am
I'm new to this Forum but I think alot of 7A schools are scared to play 6A schools and Pine Bluff is one they are scared of. Our tradition is the strongest in the state but alot of schools don't understand, so as we continue to win then they have no reason not to give us our respect. We deserve it
What?? First, PB is going to keep the WC game, and to the other two non-conference games, I don't think they've had a problem scheduling 7A teams, maybe you need to actually check your schedule.
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 07:08:45 am
Again, if you are basing your "respect" on what someone says on here, then you are going to be disappointed. The NWA additions of the ADG definitely promote those area schools more than the guys in LR who cover central Arkansas football. I guess you need to look to the PB Commercial for your "respect". There aren't 20 "regular" posters on the 6A and 7A boards on here, so I guess I fail to understand the distraught you feign over this.
I'm only curious of the response from those like yourself whom seem to really not keep up with the Zebras as much or their 6A conference perhaps as to why you think the way that you do. I get your point fully about the coverage differences across the state except the comment about "look to the PB Commercial for your respect". There is no distraught at all about the purpose of this post. It's simply in a way an opinion poll. I'm one of those guys in large part because I cover sports for a living that likes to know what people really think. It's not like I'm using this information for a story or anything its simple blogging/communicating lol. Now I see all of this in this way. I'm one of those guys where regardless of location I keep up with all teams that have been successful over a period of time and in this case I favor keeping up with the 7A & 6A conferences in Arkansas in larger part because of the level of competition but I'm not bias towards any team even with me being a Pine Bluff High alum. I call a spade a spade when I see it. Now because of one of your statements above I can tell you probably don't keep up with the 6A Teams much outside of maybe Greenwood (I could be wrong) because you asked a question about not being sure about which 7A teams the Z's have played recently. I know the history in terms of schedules of all the 6A & 7A members. I'm sure you're very knowledgeable about all the teams the 7A Central/West and Greenwood have played in recent years (I could be assuming) but that's my point. Pine Bluff High has been perhaps one of the Top 5 Football Programs year in and year out in the state over the past 8 years but even you (I'm using you as an example for those whom probably don't get much Central Arkansas Coverage) don't pay them much attention. WHY??? So it goes back to my original question "Respect or No Respect". I'm wondering with that much success why don't they catch people like you or others attention like Bentonville, Fayetteville, Greenwood, etc do regardless of location in the state. Now in no way am I begging for you or anyone respect at all but if good football is being played by a team year in and year why not look more into them as a fan of good football just like the other schools mentioned above from Northwest Arkansas. You get what I'm saying and I'm not saying that in a negative way?
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 10, 2016, 09:50:57 am
I'm only curious of the response from those like yourself whom seem to really not know much about the Zebras or keep up with them or their 6A conference as to why you think the way that you do. I get your point fully about the coverage differences across the state except the comment about "look to the PB Commercial for your respect". There is no distraught at all about the purpose of this post. It's simply in a way an opinion poll. I'm one of those guys in large part because I cover sports for a living that likes to know what people really think. It's not like I'm using this information for a story or anything its simple blogging/communicating lol. Now I see all of this in this way. I'm one of those guys where regardless of location I keep up with all teams that have been successful over a period of time and in this case I favor keeping up with the 7A & 6A conferences in Arkansas in larger part because of the level of competition but I'm not bias towards any team even with me being a Pine Bluff High alum. I call a spade a spade when I see it. Now because of one of your statements above I can tell you probably don't keep up with the 6A Teams much outside of maybe Greenwood because you asked a question about not being sure about which 7A teams the Z's have played recently. I know the history in terms of schedules of all the 6A & 7A members. I'm sure you're very knowledgeable about all the teams the 7A West and Greenwood have played in recent years (I could be assuming) but that's my point. Pine Bluff High has been perhaps one of the Top 5 Football Programs year in and year out in the state over the past 8 years but even you don't pay them much attention. WHY??? So it goes back to my original question "Respect or No Respect". I'm wondering with that much success why don't they catch people like you or others attention like Bentonville, Fayetteville, Greenwood, etc do regardless of location in the state. Now in no way am I begging for you or anyone respect at all but if good football is being played by a team year in and year why not look more into them as a fan of good football just like the other schools mentioned above from Northwest Arkansas. You get what I'm saying and I'm not saying that in a negative way?
Lol, I'm from Jonesboro, never been to GW, again you take a few comments on a message board and formulate an opinion. I've been around 6A sports from the beginning, so don't think you are going to give me some lecture on it.
Also, what makes you think I care about any other team? Why don't you do a little research, and it would have been crystal clear to you, my allegiance. Good luck on your research, I fail to see this "lack of respect", but by all means, beat that drum.
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 10:01:04 am
Lol, I'm from Jonesboro, never been to GW, again you take a few comments on a message board and formulate an opinion. I've been around 6A sports from the beginning, so don't think you are going to give me some lecture on it.
Also, what makes you think I care about any other team? Why don't you do a little research, and it would have been crystal clear to you, my allegiance. Good luck on your research, I fail to see this "lack of respect", but by all means, beat that drum.
I used you as a character example to see my point of where I'm coming from. I just so happened to put you in a position as if you were a person from lets say NWA with that mindset. This entire thing is nothing more than opinion. Jonesboro huh??? I can really tell now why you seem to come across the way that you do lol. It's all love regardless bro
Most posters on this board have a team they support and follow. You will find me following Benton and Arkadelphia. I keep up with PB only when it is germane to those teams. Others, I am sure, do the same. Pine Bluff posters do that for PB. So, just because we don't jump on here and shout the virtues of PB football doesn't mean any disrespect. We just support our teams. You will find most posters on here know what they are talking about. One or two may act like jerks sometimes, but only because they can hide behind a keyboard. I have met several posters on here and have sent PMs to many of them when I feel like what I want to say shouldn't be for general consumption. All in all, they are well-informed and good people. I repeat however, respect or disrespect cannot be determined here, but you can get a good bit of info on Arkansas football.
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 10, 2016, 10:20:37 am
I used you as a character example to see my point of where I'm coming from. I just so happened to put you in a position as if you were a person from lets say NWA with that mindset. This entire thing is nothing more than opinion. Jonesboro huh??? I can really tell now why you seem to come across the way that you do lol. It's all love regardless bro
1-0 baby, lol. I'm glad PB is in our conference, it adds to it. I'm not sure they will stay if the next enrollment cycle stays the same with Texarkana dropping to 5A, but I know a lot more on PB than you would think.
I'll add something to your discussion, lots of people wrote PB off after the long dry period between titles, during that period, Fay, Bentonville, and GW were winning. I really don't keep up with 5A and below, so I couldn't comment on schools there that would have led the discussion.
No one respects PB more than me. I said last year's team was one of the best of all time. I am an ED and Benton fan, yet I was at last year's WM final and rooting for the Z's, and it was fun! Now, I do know their fans are passionate and only negative is the dogpound sitting on visitors side and taunting visitor fans, sort of. I love their passion towards their team and player's talent. It's what makes HS football fun. I am also a fan of Coach BB and his family. PB has the best concession food too, outside the stadium in the food trucks.
Quote from: Oldbadger on November 10, 2016, 10:28:10 am
Most posters on this board have a team they support and follow. You will find me following Benton and Arkadelphia. I keep up with PB only when it is germane to those teams. Others, I am sure, do the same. Pine Bluff posters do that for PB. So, just because we don't jump on here and shout the virtues of PB football doesn't mean any disrespect. We just support our teams. You will find most posters on here know what they are talking about. One or two may act like jerks sometimes, but only because they can hide behind a keyboard. I have met several posters on here and have sent PMs to many of them when I feel like what I want to say shouldn't be for general consumption. All in all, they are well-informed and good people. I repeat however, respect or disrespect cannot be determined here, but you can get a good bit of info on Arkansas football.
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I think this sums up best. GW is my alma mater( along with my wife) and where at least 2 of my kids will graduate with one being a former player, the other a trainer, and the last maybe another future Bulldog in 8 years or so. So, obviously my views are towards GW as it's mostly what I know. However, for HS knowledge, I do watch the highlights on tv on Fearless Friday along with following certain posters on the board for info. Most are just passionate about their teams. Some are really good sources for info, while some are just here to troll people. Also, I like to pay attention to the local teams in my area.
I can see a little of what you mean in the being successful, but yet feeling overshadowed to some degree.
As far as comparing GW to PB historically, GW is really just a blip on the radar. Any one with any knowledge at all should realize that. I do feel like GW under Peacock first and now mostly Jones has made them relevant from a state perspective and that success I believe has generally translated into respect statewide, I think. PB should not feel disrespected though in anyway. It's special to win one, let alone win multiple titles in consecutive years and PB has given themselves the chance a lot.
Ok enough of the BS, everyone skating around this issue, a lot of the posters on here have "some" respect for PBHS football program, but this forum is not a gauge of media attention. Not bashing either. The major media outlets are in NWA closer to the Razorbacks and in LR. Teams below LR rarely get coverage. Be it so most schools below LR are 6A and below. Most 7A schools are there in NWA and get the most respect. I won't say they don't respect PB, they just don't cover them or publicize them like I feel they should. PB lost 17 starters from last years team 9 of those guys signed to play college football, 2 signed to play college baseball, so 11 signees!! That's a nice accomplishment for any school!!!And also the big issue PBHS is a minority school now, and just being honest with the crime issues and decline in the economy no one really wants to come and cover the Zebras. Some will hate this post and hate me too. But I'm just speaking my mind. Some will say I don't know what I'm talking about and that's fine too, but like i said I haven't missed a zebra game since 2007. I was there when they ended the streak in Greenwood. I mean even the basketball team has been in the state championship game in back to back years, right with the football team. Still no love from the "big wigs". The schools in NWA have ties to the U of A and are in close proximity to the university. PBHS is in close proximity to UAPB, what media outlet covers them? It is what it is!! And it's the ZPOUND, why would they be zebras sitting in a dog pound?
I think your points are valid coming from an older white male. I did think KATV and the other LR channels covered PB football pretty extensively last year and the preseason. I do think it is convenient for some LR outlet stations to cover teams like Cabot, Conway, Bryant, and Benton....but PB is only 35-40 minutes down the road too. And, I did notice this year the Dem-Gazette has a weekly section devoted to just UAPB football. PB has phenomenal tradition and history. I did not know what it would feel like sitting in middle of PB fans during the state championship game last year, but afterwards felt proud of the team and their fans, and happy for the team as 6A South rep. I can't speak for all of us, but I do see your points. Thanks for the correction on the Z-Pound too, duly noted.
So, if I understand what you are saying "itsslim", it is the press that is being disrespectful. Well, it seems that the man who started this string might just be able to help. However, if you look at the lousy way the Demo/Gaz covers most high school football anymore, it leaves a lot to be desired. Rarely anything about Arkadelphia. But, you know, with over two hundred teams in the state, hard to cover them all and make everyone happy. Just have to depend on you hometown paper it seems.
Yea two valid points, not saying they disrespect pb, but I honestly think they overlook the southern region altogether. The democrat does do a UAPB article. Thanks for understanding guys. Perfect example Kamron Mays Hunt some of you may or may not know him, lived in pb two years ago, now he plays football, basketball, and baseball for Bentonville High, for the past two years. This kid has been all over the news media in NWA. His mom moved him there for this very reason. More exposure and media attention. It's working, if you google him you will see. He is actually a better baseball player. Here in pb he was known but ONLY here in PB. It makes a difference.
Quote from: itsslim on November 10, 2016, 01:17:22 pm
Ok enough of the BS, everyone skating around this issue, a lot of the posters on here have "some" respect for PBHS football program, but this forum is not a gauge of media attention. Not bashing either. The major media outlets are in NWA closer to the Razorbacks and in LR. Teams below LR rarely get coverage. Be it so most schools below LR are 6A and below. Most 7A schools are there in NWA and get the most respect. I won't say they don't respect PB, they just don't cover them or publicize them like I feel they should. PB lost 17 starters from last years team 9 of those guys signed to play college football, 2 signed to play college baseball, so 11 signees!! That's a nice accomplishment for any school!!!And also the big issue PBHS is a minority school now, and just being honest with the crime issues and decline in the economy no one really wants to come and cover the Zebras. Some will hate this post and hate me too. But I'm just speaking my mind. Some will say I don't know what I'm talking about and that's fine too, but like i said I haven't missed a zebra game since 2007. I was there when they ended the streak in Greenwood. I mean even the basketball team has been in the state championship game in back to back years, right with the football team. Still no love from the "big wigs". The schools in NWA have ties to the U of A and are in close proximity to the university. PBHS is in close proximity to UAPB, what media outlet covers them? It is what it is!! And it's the ZPOUND, why would they be zebras sitting in a dog pound?
The major media outlets in the state are in LR, LR-PB is #56, NWA#100.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
TV media, it's more to media than TV
Quote from: itsslim on November 10, 2016, 04:40:21 pm
TV media, it's more to media than TV
Correct, the largest print media is located in LR.
http://www.mondotimes.com/newspapers/usa/arkansas-newspaper-circulation.html
Newspapers are dying out though, I know most newspapers have had a huge fall out in staff which means less coverage or less people to cover the areas. Most schools around here get better coverage than they did in the past, but I know those guys are having to do more with less these days.
Quote from: Pr8hd on November 10, 2016, 04:50:10 pm
Newspapers are dying out though, I know most newspapers have had a huge fall out in staff which means less coverage or less people to cover the areas. Most schools around here get better coverage than they did in the past, but I know those guys are having to do more with less these days.
No doubt, but the schools in NWA generally have a beat reporter, or someone who is at their games. The LR guys just pick and choose what's an attractive game within about 30-40 miles of LR. I'm sure the Ft. Smith/GW/Alma/VB schools get someone from the SWT. The Jonesboro schools have someone who covers them, or the larger ones do.
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 04:56:04 pm
No doubt, but the schools in NWA generally have a beat reporter, or someone who is at their games. The LR guys just pick and choose what's an attractive game within about 30-40 miles of LR. I'm sure the Ft. Smith/GW/Alma/VB schools get someone from the SWT. The Jonesboro schools have someone who covers them, or the larger ones do.
The Times Record used to have a writer assigned to each school, but that is long gone now. I think they have 2-3 guys tops now in the way of sportswriters. Leland Barclay covers GW alot and does an excellent job, as does Kevin Taylor. They all do a good job, but I think they are pretty overworked trying to get to everything. I read it online more than anything nowadays. I can read about most any team in the state that way. It's not all in one nice collective though.
Yea u all are correct. At this PBHS game holla back later
Much respect for my old coach!
Quote from: 2000ZEBRA on November 10, 2016, 08:41:24 am
I'm new to this Forum but I think alot of 7A schools are scared to play 6A schools and Pine Bluff is one they are scared of. Our tradition is the strongest in the state but alot of schools don't understand, so as we continue to win then they have no reason not to give us our respect. We deserve it
Wrong.... Watch the Greenwood Bulldogs when they play Pine Bluff in a couple weeks and see how "scared" they are of the Zebras. The Zebras have earned the Bulldogs respect on the field several times, but the Bulldogs won't be "scared" one bit.
Get realz....
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: bulldogger15 on November 15, 2016, 08:22:29 am
Wrong.... Watch the Greenwood Bulldogs when they play Pine Bluff in a couple weeks and see how "scared" they are of the Zebras. The Zebras have earned the Bulldogs respect on the field several times, but the Bulldogs won't be "scared" one bit.
Get realz....
GO BULLDOGS!!!
There is no Zebra team that is scared of Greenwood, the Z's taking the playoffs one game at a time first off Searcy and if you all are lucky to win Friday I will see you in Greenwood. Now Pine Bluff respect Greenwood but heck you'll respect Pine Bluff too unless Greenwood wants to play a disrepectful game next week and that's not the game Greenwood wants to play. Greenwood is good don't take my statement out of content I respect their abilities but Pine Bluff is not one of the south teams that you not just go beat on and be up two scores and give up Pine Bluff have too pride. It's not a rival game if the same team keeps winning Bullcrapper15!!! LOL!!!
Come on Cardinal Parade, "It's not a rival game if the same team keeps winning"?
Go ask Alma if their last 12 losses to Greenwood have kept the rivalry sidelined? I'm sure Alma is looking for a way out now, but it's been fun smashing the Airedales year after year after they dominated the Bulldogs for so long. Greenwood didn't run either.
FS Southside and FS Northside have gotten their fair amount of spankings from the Bulldogs of late as well.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: itsslim on November 10, 2016, 01:17:22 pm
Ok enough of the BS, everyone skating around this issue, a lot of the posters on here have "some" respect for PBHS football program, but this forum is not a gauge of media attention. Not bashing either. The major media outlets are in NWA closer to the Razorbacks and in LR. Teams below LR rarely get coverage. Be it so most schools below LR are 6A and below. Most 7A schools are there in NWA and get the most respect. I won't say they don't respect PB, they just don't cover them or publicize them like I feel they should. PB lost 17 starters from last years team 9 of those guys signed to play college football, 2 signed to play college baseball, so 11 signees!! That's a nice accomplishment for any school!!!And also the big issue PBHS is a minority school now, and just being honest with the crime issues and decline in the economy no one really wants to come and cover the Zebras. Some will hate this post and hate me too. But I'm just speaking my mind. Some will say I don't know what I'm talking about and that's fine too, but like i said I haven't missed a zebra game since 2007. I was there when they ended the streak in Greenwood. I mean even the basketball team has been in the state championship game in back to back years, right with the football team. Still no love from the "big wigs". The schools in NWA have ties to the U of A and are in close proximity to the university. PBHS is in close proximity to UAPB, what media outlet covers them? It is what it is!! And it's the ZPOUND, why would they be zebras sitting in a dog pound?
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One positive is that the Greenwood and Pinebluff game will be covered. Anyone who knows football and the reputation of the program and coaches, knows that PB is a very good championship program. I don't think anyone questions that. It probably falls like others have mentioned to the location. Best of luck to PB!
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 09:31:43 pm
One of the reasons why I asked Respect or No Respect is because Pine Bluff High doesn't get much or hardly any exposure in the Nothwest Arkansas area which in large part makes it rough for people across the state particular in that area to really understand what kind of program the Zebras have. People in that area are so loaded with 7A teams that I honestly feel they look down on the rest of the state in terms of competition. Pine Bluff High finished in the MaxPrep Top 100 last year going undefeated (13-0) with victories over 7A teams Fort Smith Northside (our longest active rival) & North Little Rock as well as a victory of 6A power Greenwood. The lack of exposure in that area and because of the great distance really plays apart when it comes to people respecting the program or even keeping up with them. In the past the Z's have also played Fayetteville, Fort Smith Southside, & Bentonville back in the old 5A set up. So I think you can better understand the post now and what I am asking.
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I think it's El Dorado that doesn't get the respect not PB. PB has too many state titles from the 70's and 80's and now this decade not to have the respect. El Dorado won 3 in a row, 09-10-11 and again in 13. 4 in 6 years is mighty impressive. Scott Reed has taken the Cats to a different level not just wins and losses but accountability on and off the field.
Quote from: itsslim on November 09, 2016, 07:03:21 pm
My bad for not joining fearless Friday the day it opened!!! Because I didn't I'm not a fan lol!! Ok 👌🏾
Been reading posts for years. 1st one right here where I actually post. Greenwood is a 1/5 of the population and 200 less students than Pine Bluff. Does that deserve some respect when competing against bigger schools?
PB and GW are both schools that deserve ALOT of respect. PB has a rich history of going to and winning state championships. GW didn't really become a major player until Peacock won that first state championship and then the hiring of Rick Jones. PB has been rich in tradition for years now. ZD has it posted on his sig line of how many SC's and CC's they have won. I think all fans respect PB and their athletes...
But where I really believe that PB get's no respect in the state of Arkansas is from the UofA. That school has had some major talent over the years that Arkansas didn't even look at. Now, don't ask me to name them all because I can't. ZD and a couple others probably can. JMO... ;)
Maybe it's a south thing with the UofA because we have had players not only from PB...but look at some of the Warren players that went to Tennessee and as of late Kenneth Dixon who is now playing with the Ravens...crazy...
Quote from: Topdog1 on November 25, 2016, 08:40:58 am
Been reading posts for years. 1st one right here where I actually post. Greenwood is a 1/5 of the population and 200 less students than Pine Bluff. Does that deserve some respect when competing against bigger schools?
http://www.swtimes.com/sports/20161125/football-greenwood-pine-bluff-no-strangers-in-postseason
Nothing to do with post, but good article.
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 25, 2016, 09:47:57 am
PB and GW are both schools that deserve ALOT of respect. PB has a rich history of going to and winning state championships. GW didn't really become a major player until Peacock won that first state championship and then the hiring of Rick Jones. PB has been rich in tradition for years now. ZD has it posted on his sig line of how many SC's and CC's they have won. I think all fans respect PB and their athletes...
But where I really believe that PB get's no respect in the state of Arkansas is from the UofA. That school has had some major talent over the years that Arkansas didn't even look at. Now, don't ask me to name them all because I can't. ZD and a couple others probably can. JMO... ;)
Maybe it's a south thing with the UofA because we have had players not only from PB...but look at some of the Warren players that went to Tennessee and as of late Kenneth Dixon who is now playing with the Ravens...crazy...
. Thats my whole reason of posting on here to prove that point all along U of A doesn't come PBHS..They will recruit around PB but not in PB .. They will have a need at LB next year .. Do u think they will be looking for any Senior LB in state... I believe yes.... Do you think if the LB has been a 3 year starter and went to 3 state championship games in a row will they recruit him.. I believe yes.. Now if that player has went to HS and graduated at any school in Arkansas..would U of A give him the opportunity to play..I say no ... My reasoning behind this is from a school with as much history as the Razorbacks in all sports and i do mean all in sports .. Why the U of A dont come to Pine Bluff High School. i believe if they really set any biased opinions and factors of every prenotion they have for not recruiting aside (even grades because the U of A is not Ivy leauge believe it or not) they will be a national title contenders year in and out
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on November 25, 2016, 10:42:35 am
. Thats my whole reason of posting on here to prove that point all along U of A doesn't come PBHS..They will recruit around PB but not in PB .. They will have a need at LB next year .. Do u think they will be looking for any Senior LB in state... I believe yes.... Do you think if the LB has been a 3 year starter and went to 3 state championship games in a row will they recruit him.. I believe yes.. Now if that player has went to HS and graduated at any school in Arkansas..would U of A give him the opportunity to play..I say no ... My reasoning behind this is from a school with as much history as the Razorbacks in all sports and i do mean all in sports .. Why the U of A dont come to Pine Bluff High School. i believe if they really set any biased opinions and factors of every prenotion they have for not recruiting aside (even grades because the U of A is not Ivy leauge believe it or not) they will be a national title contenders year in and out
Name the kids that had P5 offers and played there in the last 10, 15 years, that the UofA didn't offer.
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 25, 2016, 09:47:57 am
PB and GW are both schools that deserve ALOT of respect. PB has a rich history of going to and winning state championships. GW didn't really become a major player until Peacock won that first state championship and then the hiring of Rick Jones. PB has been rich in tradition for years now. ZD has it posted on his sig line of how many SC's and CC's they have won. I think all fans respect PB and their athletes...
But where I really believe that PB get's no respect in the state of Arkansas is from the UofA. That school has had some major talent over the years that Arkansas didn't even look at. Now, don't ask me to name them all because I can't. ZD and a couple others probably can. JMO... ;)
Maybe it's a south thing with the UofA because we have had players not only from PB...but look at some of the Warren players that went to Tennessee and as of late Kenneth Dixon who is now playing with the Ravens...crazy...
Well said Coach. Hopefully, it will change since they do have a Dollarway, WH, and WC player on their roster now.
Quote from: ricepig on November 25, 2016, 11:15:54 am
Name the kids that had P5 offers and played there in the last 10, 15 years, that the UofA didn't offer.
Not really a fair comparison since the UA offers in-state kids all the time that don't hold P-5 offers.
I think the point is the ONLY time UA recruits PBH is when we have the best player in the state otherwise its very obvious they lack concern. Did Drew Morgan have any P-5 offers? What about his brother that was invited to walk on? Not hating cause it's worked out great for both kids and the UA. But I can tell you now IF the only time UA shows interest in a PBH athlete is when he's the best in the state...the attitude here will continue to be, "I can do better than the UA".
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Quote from: ricepig on November 25, 2016, 11:15:54 am
Name the kids that had P5 offers and played there in the last 10, 15 years, that the UofA didn't offer.
Sorry for responding late and Congratulations to Russellville Cyclones for the State title
. OK this is not every player these are the ones I know about.
'98 Demoine Adams- Nebraska *NFL,CFL
'99 Johnathon Chisim - Rice
'00 Mark Bradley -Oklahoma * NFL
'02 Scott Wesley - Army
'02 Justin Bass- Louisiana Tech
'04 Colin Pelton- SMU
'04 Martell Mallett -Bowling Green *NFL, CFL 2009 ROY
'05 David Johnson- Ark St * NFL
'09 Claude Johnson- Ark St (offers from Tenn)
'11 Joseph Treadwell - Louisiana Monroe
'14 Austin Mcgee- Pudue
'16 John Tate- Memphis
'16 David Beasley-La Tech
Honarable Mentions
'31 Don Hutson- Alabama NFL(charter member of pro football hall of fame)
'16 Ladarius Skelton - (Landers Award winner)
'81 Danny Bradley-Oklahoma (big 8 opy) (Big 8 MVP)
'85 Eric Mitchell-Oklahoma(parade h.s All American)
'88 Willie Roaf- La Tech NFL (pro football hall of fame)
'90 Basil Shabazz - UAPB (Considered the best high school athlete in Arkansas History )
'93 Torri hunter- MLB (MLB future hall of fame)
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 09:38:40 am
Sorry for responding late and Congratulations to Russellville Cyclones for the State title
. OK this is not every player these are the ones I know about.
'98 Demoine Adams- Nebraska *NFL,CFL
'99 Johnathon Chisim - Rice
'00 Mark Bradley -Oklahoma * NFL
'02 Scott Wesley - Army
'02 Justin Bass- Louisiana Tech
'04 Colin Pelton- SMU
'04 Martell Mallett -Bowling Green *NFL, CFL 2009 ROY
'05 David Johnson- Ark St * NFL
'09 Claude Johnson- Ark St (offers from Tenn)
'11 Joseph Treadwell - Louisiana Monroe
'14 Austin Mcgee- Pudue
'16 John Tate- Memphis
'16 David Beasley-La Tech
Honarable Mentions
'31 Don Hutson- Alabama NFL(charter member of pro football hall of fame)
'16 Ladarius Skelton - (Landers Award winner)
'81 Danny Bradley-Oklahoma (big 8 opy) (Big 8 MVP)
'85 Eric Mitchell-Oklahoma(parade h.s All American)
'88 Willie Roaf- La Tech NFL (pro football hall of fame)
'90 Basil Shabazz - UAPB (Considered the best high school athlete in Arkansas History )
'93 Torri hunter- Peperdine MLB future hall of fame
You do know what a P5 school is? McGhee to Purdue, where he didn't last a semester/year, is the only one in my 15 year window.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 09:54:11 am
You do know what a P5 school is? McGhee to Purdue, where he didn't last a semester/year, is the only one in my 15 year window.
The point is that nothing has changed UA has NEVER recruited PBH hard going back over 30 years. Yet PB still produces athletes capable of playing in the NFL but not at UA.
I didn't want to play your game with your rules .. Because it wouldn't show the fact that throughout the history . That U of A don't give Pine Bluff High football players a fair shot. Even though we are 2nd most in wins in the state. So what its not a P5 school. Its D1 and one of those D1 schools ULM embarrassed Arkansas at home one year which a PBHS alum was on that squad. Oh and bash the kid for not playing at Purdue the whole year they had from what I heard 5 Kickers on the team. Who does that ?? You do I guess. I don't care what they did after they signed a kid from the bluff from high school . My motto is if you can make it out of Pine Bluff you can make it anywhere in the world.
Arkansas not getting athletes from Pine bluff High is liking to Miami not getting players from the worst parts of Miami, Fl
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 10:32:04 am
I didn't want to play your game with your rules .. Because it wouldn't show the fact that throughout the history . That U of A don't give Pine Bluff High football players a fair shot. Even though we are 2nd most in wins in the state. So what its not a P5 school. Its D1 and one of those D1 schools ULM embarrassed Arkansas at home one year which a PBHS alum was on that squad. Oh and bash the kid for not playing at Purdue the whole year they had from what I heard 5 Kickers on the team. Who does that ?? You do I guess. I don't care what they did after they signed a kid from the bluff from high school . My motto is if you can make it out of Pine Bluff you can make it anywhere in the world.
The UofA has signed kids from Dollarway and White Hall, so I don't think they have a problem with players from Pine Bluff, correct?
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 10:27:30 am
The point is that nothing has changed UA has NEVER recruited PBH hard going back over 30 years. Yet PB still produces athletes capable of playing in the NFL but not at UA.
So, congratulate the young men and be happy for them. There's guys that play in the NAIA that play in the NFL, the NFL will find you anywhere.
Pardon my ignorance, I guess I'm too old school, but, what is a P5 school?
Quote from: Oldbadger on December 15, 2016, 10:55:19 am
Pardon my ignorance, I guess I'm too old school, but, what is a P5 school?
Power 5 conference, ACC, SEC, Big 1G, Big 12, and PAC 12.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 10:51:02 am
The UofA has signed kids from Dollarway and White Hall, so I don't think they have a problem with players from Pine Bluff, correct?
It's not the city of Pine Bluff UA seem to have an issue with it's PINE BLUFF HIGH. I can go back 30 years plus and UA has recruited and signed kids from Dollaryway and Chapel. However, UA has missed on several kids from other schools here in Pine Bluff as well over the years. Bottom line for a school/state that historically always been short on producing athletes it would just makes sense that it would focus recruiting on the areas that produce them.
Thanks, ricepig. It sounds logical, but I had no idea!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 11:34:46 am
It's not the city of Pine Bluff UA seem to have an issue with it's PINE BLUFF HIGH. I can go back 30 years plus and UA has recruited and signed kids from Dollaryway and Chapel. However, UA has missed on several kids from other schools here in Pine Bluff as well over the years. Bottom line for a school/state that historically always been short on producing athletes it would just makes sense that it would focus recruiting on the areas that produce them.
Every college misses kids every year, that's life. Why would the university purposely avoid PBHS athletes? Hindsight is 20/20, correct?
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 11:49:58 am
Every college misses kids every year, that's life. Why would the university purposely avoid PBHS athletes? Hindsight is 20/20, correct?
Don't know but name another school in Arkansas that produced 7 kids that played in the NFL and none played for the UA?
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 12:03:17 pm
Don't know but name another school in Arkansas that produced 7 kids that played in the NFL and none played for the UA?
I don't care about the NFL. How many were Prop 48 signees when the SEC wouldn't admit them? Again, to me, those that played/play at a P5 are the ones applicable.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 12:29:07 pm
I don't care about the NFL. How many were Prop 48 signees when the SEC wouldn't admit them? Again, to me, those that played/play at a P5 are the ones applicable.
Some of these kids UA missed from PBH were prior to inactment of Prop 48. The ones listed by ZSucessor all went on to play for D-1 schools so Prop 48 wasn't an issue.
The fact of them playing in the NFL is of no concern to you, shows a lack understanding or refusal to understand the problem. If UA stood for BAMA then yeah you're right losing a few kids over 30 years that had NFL abilities not a concern. But for a program that has/is struggling at nearly every position due to a lack of talent...that kind of attitude is why 7-5 is great season for Arkansas!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 02:07:55 pm
Some of these kids UA missed from PBH were prior to inactment of Prop 48. The ones listed by ZSucessor all went on to play for D-1 schools so Prop 48 wasn't an issue.
The fact of them playing in the NFL is of no concern to you, shows a lack understanding or refusal to understand the problem. If UA stood for BAMA then yeah you're right losing a few kids over 30 years that had NFL abilities not a concern. But for a program that has/is struggling at nearly every position due to a lack of talent...that kind of attitude is why 7-5 is great season for Arkansas!
Wrong, some conferences allowed Prop 48's, some didn't. I told you earlier the NFL finds guys in the NAIA, or even the grocery store, that's a different story. I guess you can tell me which kids will make the NFL, and which won't? I guess we should just sign PB's SR class, assuming they qualify, lol?
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 02:41:28 pm
Wrong, some conferences allowed Prop 48's, some didn't. I told you earlier the NFL finds guys in the NAIA, or even the grocery store, that's a different story. I guess you can tell me which kids will make the NFL, and which won't? I guess we should just sign PB's SR class, assuming they qualify, lol?
No you don't have to sign all PB's SR class just the best period no matter even if the played at Pine bluff High. . But if you ask me who they can start with from PB thats easy try courting Keshawn Whaley. The best LB in the state.. 3 yr starter, 2 state titles , 6'1 225lb 4.5 40y dash
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 02:41:28 pm
Wrong, some conferences allowed Prop 48's, some didn't. I told you earlier the NFL finds guys in the NAIA, or even the grocery store, that's a different story. I guess you can tell me which kids will make the NFL, and which won't? I guess we should just sign PB's SR class, assuming they qualify, lol?
And if they don't qualify help them get in the University and take the remedial courses so they can qualify to play the next year... Let them get tutored with some of your athletes because they will be playing alongside them.. Its not like you giving them a scholarship.. So help them out with financial aid..Its a lot you can do instead of saying not qualified ... This goes for all the athletes not just PB's
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 03:32:34 pm
And if they don't qualify help them get in the University and take the remedial courses so they can qualify to play the next year... Let them get tutored with some of your athletes because they will be playing alongside them.. Its not like you giving them a scholarship.. So help them out with finacial aid..lIts alot you can do instead of syaing not qualified ... This goes for all the athletes not jus PB's
That's what JUCO's are for, these days. Colleges and universities are doing there best to "eliminate" students that have to take remedial classes, be it right or wrong. I would also suggest that school districts do a better job of getting their students prepared for college level work. They could start by enforcing a stricter GPA for participation in extra curricular activities.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 02:41:28 pm
Wrong, some conferences allowed Prop 48's, some didn't. I told you earlier the NFL finds guys in the NAIA, or even the grocery store, that's a different story. I guess you can tell me which kids will make the NFL, and which won't? I guess we should just sign PB's SR class, assuming they qualify, lol?
What D-1 conference accepted prop-48's? It was my understanding that Prop 48 applied to ALL NCAA D-1 schools. Otherwise Shabazz could have signed somewhere.
What you keep refusing to accept because of your own preconceived bias is that ANY major program if they had a high school in their state with the records PBH has, the number athletes produced and NFL products... their in-state recruiting would START at that high school. Especially in smaller states. Not saying every year PBH has a NFL caliber athlete playing but a good program would never just not show interest year in and year out!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 04:16:52 pm
What D-1 conference accepted prop-48's? It was my understanding that Prop 48 applied to ALL NCAA D-1 schools. Otherwise Shabazz could have signed somewhere.
What you keep refusing to accept because of your own preconceived bias is that ANY major program if they had a high school in their state with the records PBH has, the number athletes produced and NFL products... their in-state recruiting would START at that high school. Especially in smaller states. Not saying every year PBH has a NFL caliber athlete playing but a good program would never just not show interest year in and year out!
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/08/21/conference-ncaa-nonqualifier.htm
The SEC and Big 12 denied partial qualifiers long before other conferences.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7885522/new-incoming-eligibility-standards-create-term
No doubt improvement in academics is needed in PB and everywhere in AR. Wonder how Mississippi finds a way to get by. Ole Miss and Miss State sign a lot of their in-state talent every year? I don't know their academic requirements but it seems they make an effort to get all that MS has to produce!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 06:14:12 pm
No doubt improvement in academics is needed in PB and everywhere in AR. Wonder how Mississippi finds a way to get by. Ole Miss and Miss State sign a lot of their in-state talent every year? I don't know their academic requirements but it seems they make an effort to get all that MS has to produce!
They have the same SEC requirements as we do, but they have a JUCO system in the state that gets a lot of them eligible for D-I. MS produces 3 times as many 3* & 4* as Arkansas does, fact of life.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 06:25:17 pm
They have the same SEC requirements as we do, but they have a JUCO system in the state that gets a lot of them eligible for D-I. MS produces 3 times as many 3* & 4* as Arkansas does, fact of life.
MS has 14 JC football programs -
14!
Quote from: freethrow on December 15, 2016, 07:45:02 pm
MS has 14 JC football programs -14!
Well good for Mississippi It looks like the Arkansas Razorback Foundation needs to work on a Juco Athletic Farm program for this state for goodness sake... Because when I see Alabama, LSU,Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas A&M .. I see MEN on that field not Good guys thats the son of team personnel on the staff or because his brother played ... So he is good too type of boys .. I see MEN who know what real struggle looks like, So when it comes to football on Saturday .. It no quesdtion who has the motivation to win..Not saying Arkansas dont but hey, Have you seen Texas AM DE's or last year QB of Miss St Dak Prescott, Or LSU's RB Lenord Fornette.. Thats the example of MEN!!! So yeah , Kids need to study hard but Good Students don't win on the field ... Good Athletes do.. And for the Flagship Athletic Program in the state who does not have to compete not just in state universities but Major Professional Sports in publication of their Athletic Programs.. have done a pee poor job in trying to touch the Athletes in the poverty areas in the state ..Where quality education is not as stellar as the well employed locations in NW AR..
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 08:54:30 pm
Well good for Mississippi It looks like the Arkansas Razorback Foundation needs to work on a Juco Athletic Farm program for this state for goodness sake... Because when I see Alabama, LSU,Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas A&M .. I see MEN on that field not Good guys thats the son of team personnel on the staff or because his brother played ... So he is good too type of boys .. I see MEN who know what real struggle looks like, So when it comes to football on Saturday .. It no quesdtion who has the motivation to win..Not saying Arkansas dont but hey, Have you seen Texas AM DE's or last year QB of Miss St Dak Prescott, Or LSU's RB Lenord Fornette.. Thats the example of MEN!!! So yeah , Kids need to study hard but Good Students don't win on the field ... Good Athletes do.. And for the Flagship Athletic Program in the state who does not have to compete not just in state universities but Major Professional Sports in publication of their Athletic Programs.. have done a pee poor job in trying to touch the Athletes in the poverty areas in the state ..Where quality education is not as stellar as the well employed locations in NW AR..
Last time I checked, the University was there for educational purposes. How about the community and the parents make sure their schools are adequate for providing the necessary educational resources? There are several players from poverty areas of our state, but I guess some expect a handout. It doesn't take a whole lot of quality education to have a 2.3 GPA and 19 ACT score.
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 09:02:59 pm
Last time I checked, the University was there for educational purposes. How about the community and the parents make sure their schools are adequate for providing the necessary educational resources? There are several players from poverty areas of our state, but I guess some expect a handout. It doesn't take a whole lot of quality education to have a 2.3 GPA and 19 ACT score.
They expect not handout but an opportunity..Thats the difference between the areas surrounding us..
How do you handout a GPA and ACT ??? Is that what most of the SEC schools are doing? Because if MISSISSIPPI can figure how to get their best athletes into D-1 schools and Arkansas can't then I guess Mississippi should be thanking God for Arkansas!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 09:15:46 pm
How do you handout a GPA and ACT ??? Is that what most of the SEC schools are doing? Because if MISSISSIPPI can figure how to get their best athletes into D-1 schools and Arkansas can't then I guess Mississippi should be thanking God for Arkansas!
You go to class and earn it. It appears that MS best athletes care about their education more, than some of Arkansas? Of course you seem to forget that they have 3 times as many better athletes.
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 09:09:31 pm
They expect not handout but an opportunity..Thats the difference between the areas surrounding us..
Are you saying that PBSD doesn't provide the opportunity for these students?
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 09:20:02 pm
You go to class and earn it. It appears that MS best athletes care about their education more, than some of Arkansas? Of course you seem to forget that they have 3 times as many better athletes.
BS these kids coming out of the MS delta one of the most impoverish areas in the USA. Also, most studies show that at least on paper AR educational system has improved and ranked significantly higher than MS. Yes, they do produce more athletes than Arkansas but they seem able to get them eligible to play.
You seem to have just as many excuses for UA ignoring PBH as PBH has for not getting them eligible.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 09:45:09 pm
BS these kids coming out of the MS delta one of the most impoverish areas in the USA. Also, most studies show that at least on paper AR educational system has improved and ranked significantly higher than MS. Yes, they do produce more athletes than Arkansas but they seem able to get them eligible to play.
You seem to have just as many excuses for UA ignoring PBH as PBH has for not getting them eligible.
I don't know, maybe the fired coach at OM is still paying to have their test taken, that's there problem, maybe you should be concerned about PBH's problems with eligibility. You're the one living in PB, you tell me why the university doesn't recruit kids from PBH, but does Chapel, Hall, and Dollarway?
Quote from: ricepig on December 15, 2016, 09:50:30 pm
I don't know, maybe the fired coach at OM is still paying to have their test taken, that's there problem, maybe you should be concerned about PBH's problems with eligibility. You're the one living in PB, you tell me why the university doesn't recruit kids from PBH, but does Chapel, Hall, and Dollarway?
I spoke of this ad nauseam several times. UA cut ties with PBH in the 80's when both Danny Bradley and Eric Mitchell gave them duces and headed to OU!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 10:02:49 pm
I spoke of this ad nauseam several times. UA cut ties with PBH in the 80's when both Danny Bradley and Eric Mitchell gave them duces and headed to OU!
Well, then I wouldn't worry about why they don't offer PBH kids. I'm sure when the next P5 athlete that is qualified, they'll offer.
There is something wrong when a school, in this case PBH...wins at a high level, produces athletes that are some of the best in the state yet the UofA doesn't recruit them and hasn't for a long time. Especially in this day and age when we are average at best. CBB couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag and evidently he can't recruit the state. The idea of Arkansas getting a JUCO as a farm school is a great idea...it will never happen because there are too many buffoons in this state that think 7-5 is a great season. Arkansas is so far behind and at this point digging out of the hole is getting harder and harder...maybe recruiting PBH would be a start.
Every coach we have had at Arkansas talks about building a fence around the state...PBH should be in that fence. There is no sane person that could overlook the quality athletes that PBH has produced that Arkansas passed on. It is stupid and anyone that argues that is stupid as well...
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 15, 2016, 10:22:09 pm
There is something wrong when a school, in this case PBH...wins at a high level, produces athletes that are some of the best in the state yet the UofA doesn't recruit them and hasn't for a long time. Especially in this day and age when we are average at best. CBB couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag and evidently he can't recruit the state. The idea of Arkansas getting a JUCO as a farm school is a great idea...it will never happen because there are too many buffoons in this state that think 7-5 is a great season. Arkansas is so far behind and at this point digging out of the hole is getting harder and harder...maybe recruiting PBH would be a start.
Every coach we have had at Arkansas talks about building a fence around the state...PBH should be in that fence. There is no sane person that could overlook the quality athletes that PBH has produced that Arkansas passed on. It is stupid and anyone that argues that is stupid as well...
When Venny and I can agree on something...WATCH OUT! Heck UA can get to Warren just fine and from what I saw the other weekend they will be making some trips to Warren in the very near future. L you have to go through PB to get to Warren!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 10:28:20 pm
When Venny and I can agree on something...WATCH OUT! Heck UA can get to Warren just fine and from what I saw the other weekend they will be making some trips to Warren in the very near future. L you have to go through PB to get to Warren!
Nah shoot down through Sheridan to Fordyce and on down.....avoid that PB place all together ;)
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 10:28:20 pm
When Venny and I can agree on something...WATCH OUT! Heck UA can get to Warren just fine and from what I saw the other weekend they will be making some trips to Warren in the very near future. L you have to go through PB to get to Warren!
CBB can't spell Pine Bluff much less read a GPS to get there...lol...
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 15, 2016, 10:45:03 pm
CBB can't spell Pine Bluff much less read a GPS to get there...lol...
Hmmm...I think I figured out that you don't like CBB much? :D
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 15, 2016, 09:38:40 am
Sorry for responding late and Congratulations to Russellville Cyclones for the State title
. OK this is not every player these are the ones I know about.
'98 Demoine Adams- Nebraska *NFL,CFL
'99 Johnathon Chisim - Rice
'00 Mark Bradley -Oklahoma * NFL
'02 Scott Wesley - Army
'02 Justin Bass- Louisiana Tech
'04 Colin Pelton- SMU
'04 Martell Mallett -Bowling Green *NFL, CFL 2009 ROY
'05 David Johnson- Ark St * NFL
'09 Claude Johnson- Ark St (offers from Tenn)
'11 Joseph Treadwell - Louisiana Monroe
'14 Austin Mcgee- Pudue
'16 John Tate- Memphis
'16 David Beasley-La Tech
Honarable Mentions
'31 Don Hutson- Alabama NFL(charter member of pro football hall of fame)
'16 Ladarius Skelton - (Landers Award winner)
'81 Danny Bradley-Oklahoma (big 8 opy) (Big 8 MVP)
'85 Eric Mitchell-Oklahoma(parade h.s All American)
'88 Willie Roaf- La Tech NFL (pro football hall of fame)
'90 Basil Shabazz - UAPB (Considered the best high school athlete in Arkansas History )
'93 Torri hunter- MLB (MLB future hall of fame)
Missed Robert Woodus Jr., University of Miami not sure what year he graduated? I think 1991?
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 15, 2016, 10:45:03 pm
CBB can't spell Pine Bluff much less read a GPS to get there...lol...
They found Will Gragg there, of course he moved to Dumas.
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 09:57:13 am
They found Will Gragg there, of course he moved to Dumas.
Yeah they did his brother was on the team for the Hogs and plays in the NFL I believe . His dad was apart of the administration of PBSD and now the Superintendent of Dumas. Every PB athlete is not as lucky as Gragg as having all the resources he had to play his way. and as you can see Gragg is not a factor on the team as he wasn't a factor when he played with PB.. Over-hyped if you asked me.. But that's the example of an opportunity because he was not even the best player on the team when he played with PB but was the most highly recruited because of the the access he had ..
Not sure but didn't the UA offer him prior to him transferring to PBH?
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 16, 2016, 10:43:06 am
Yeah they did his brother was on the team for the Hogs and plays in the NFL I believe . His dad was apart of the administration of PBSD and now the Superintendent of Dumas. Every PB athlete is not as lucky as Gragg as having all the resources he had to play his way. and as you can see Gragg is not a factor on the team as he wasn't a factor when he played with PB.. Over-hyped if you asked me.. But that's the example of an opportunity because he was not even the best player on the team when he played with PB but was the most highly recruited because of the the access he had ..
So, since 2013 when Bielema arrived at Arkansas, PBH hasn't had a player, outside of a kicker, sign with a P5 school. I mean, Saban and Malzahn stopped by PBH when Gragg was there, so it's not like college coaches don't know about the school.
Are there under scouted players in Arkansas, you bet, just like in every other state. There was a combine at WMS this past summer where every player had the opportunity to show his wares in front of every college coach in the state, except maybe UCA. Most high school coaches load their kids up and take them to various events and camps, just look at what the PR coaches have done and how many kids they have getting college scholarships.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 11:34:35 am
Not sure but didn't the UA offer him prior to him transferring to PBH?
Offered in June of 2012, I don't know when he transferred to PBH.
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 11:44:31 am
Offered in June of 2012, I don't know when he transferred to PBH.
If my timeline is correct then he was offered before he ever played a down for PBH. I'm not sure he played here as a soph... I can't remember. Seems like he only played here the 2012 season as a JR and then transferred his SR Year to Dumas.
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 11:41:39 am
So, since 2013 when Bielema arrived at Arkansas, PBH hasn't had a player, outside of a kicker, sign with a P5 school. I mean, Saban and Malzahn stopped by PBH when Gragg was there, so it's not like college coaches don't know about the school.
Are there under scouted players in Arkansas, you bet, just like in every other state. There was a combine at WMS this past summer where every player had the opportunity to show his wares in front of every college coach in the state, except maybe UCA. Most high school coaches load their kids up and take them to various events and camps, just look at what the PR coaches have done and how many kids they have getting college scholarships.
Still ignoring the fact that every year UA signs ARKANSAS players that do not get offers from P-5 schools. But when it comes to PBH kid...he has to have a 4.0 and be the best athlete in the state to get a look at.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 12:30:34 pm
Still ignoring the fact that every year UA signs ARKANSAS players that do not get offers from P-5 schools. But when it comes to PBH kid...he has to have a 4.0 and be the best athlete in the state to get a look at.
I guess they went to camp?? Name me who signed that didn't have a P5 offer in the last 4 years that hasn't contributed and shown they were worth it.
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 09:57:13 am
They found Will Gragg there, of course he moved to Dumas.
His wife was driving...
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 15, 2016, 10:49:36 pm
Hmmm...I think I figured out that you don't like CBB much? :D
Acually I like his coaching style. I think he was way over hyped as a coach and we are finding that out...I just hate the way he runs his mouth and can't back it up...
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 12:43:29 pm
I guess they went to camp?? Name me who signed that didn't have a P5 offer in the last 4 years that hasn't contributed and shown they were worth it.
Just off the top of my head the kid from Bearden, AR last name Lowe, the OL from Pottsville, Jaun Day not sure he had any P-5 offers, heck I am not sure Liddell had any offers from a P-5.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 02:24:49 pm
Just off the top of my head the kid from Bearden, AR last name Lowe, the OL from Pottsville, Jaun Day not sure he had any P-5 offers, heck I am not sure Liddell had any offers from a P-5.
Lowe signed in 2012 and left. Day and Liddell didn't have other offers, but you can't tell me after watching Day run all over PB you didn't think he was as good if not better than Tenpenny. Liddell has been starting, so I'd say he's contributed.
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jeremy-Ward-1656/RecruitInterests
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 02:41:10 pm
Lowe signed in 2012 and left. Day and Liddell didn't have other offers, but you can't tell me after watching Day run all over PB you didn't think he was as good if not better than Tenpenny. Liddell has been starting, so I'd say he's contributed.
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jeremy-Ward-1656/RecruitInterests
Lowe left but according to your criteria he should not have received an offer more less sign LOI from the UA. Day was good until he hurt his knee all other schools backed off UA stuck with him. Liddell has contributed but again according your criteria he never should been offered. Rivals didn't have Ward with any SEC offers. What I saw of him...they were right not to.
I'm glad when an Arkansas kid goes to UA and proves the coaches in these P-5 conferences wrong. I am just ticked off that PBH kids don't get that opportunity.
PBH had probably had their lowest collection of talent in 8 yrs this yr.. Which still produced a share of a conference title and a trip to the Semifinals.. Other schools call that a Great season but I feel like that is a rebuilding season.. Because the Z's should at least make it the finals every year in the 6A..
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 03:04:01 pm
Lowe left but according to your criteria he should not have received an offer more less sign LOI from the UA. Day was good until he hurt his knee all other schools backed of UA stuck with him. Liddell has contributed but again according your criteria he never should been offered. Rivals didn't have Ward with any SEC offers. What I saw of him...they were right not to.
I'm glad when an Arkansas kid goes to UA and proves the coaches in these P-5 conferences wrong. I am just ticked off that PBH kids don't get that opportunity.
2012 was a Petrino class, I said the last four classes. I'm sorry we honored our scholarship promise to Day, I guess you would have been as adamant if it was a PBH guy who wasn't cut? I guess you forgot to read the last line, "Name me who signed that didn't have a P5 offer in the last 4 years that hasn't contributed and shown they were worth."
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 16, 2016, 03:07:24 pm
PBH had probably had their lowest collection of talent in 8 yrs this yr.. Which still produced a share of a conference title and a trip to the Semifinals.. Other schools call that a Great season but I feel like that is a rebuilding season.. Because the Z's should at least make it the finals every year in the 6A..
Season went about like I expected. I was hoping that they would just improve to the point of being dominate but...Even still there's Blair and Whaley are worthy of an offer to D-1 schools. I am not aware of grades issue with either ACT might be an issue. I also heard Whaley ran a 4.55 at an camp but I cannot confirm that was true. At 6-1 220 just watching him run he definitely 4.6-4.7 range. Yet...no offers.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 04:02:33 pm
Season went about like I expected. I was hoping that they would just improve to the point of being dominate but...Even still there's Blair and Whaley are worthy of an offer to D-1 schools. I am not aware of grades issue with either ACT might be an issue. I also heard Whaley ran a 4.55 at an camp but I cannot confirm that was true. At 6-1 220 just watching him run he definitely 4.6-4.7 range. Yet...no offers.
Blair has a 21 on ACT and 3.9 GPA Whaley I'm not sure what his grades are but he is definitely D-1. I think next year class will have more D-1 athletes next year than this years team
I overheard a speech from Former Pine Bluff Zebra head football Coach Marion Glover say that The Zebras play so much at War Memorial Stadium .. The state was thinking about calling it "Jordan Stadium North" 👑
Quote from: ricepig on December 16, 2016, 03:30:32 pm
2012 was a Petrino class, I said the last four classes. I'm sorry we honored our scholarship promise to Day, I guess you would have been as adamant if it was a PBH guy who wasn't cut? I guess you forgot to read the last line, "Name me who signed that didn't have a P5 offer in the last 4 years that hasn't contributed and shown they were worth."
How about you stop playing games. You know full well that Arkansas for 50 years has offered scholarships to in-state kids that nobody else wanted. Everyone knows that...it's our DNA! The only question is how many out of each class. I gave you two but now you want me to believe that UA recruiters are so good that they can look at marginal D-1 kid and know that kid will be a solid contributor as a freshman therefore they offer ???
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 10:40:28 pm
How about you stop playing games. You know full well that Arkansas for 50 years has offered scholarships to in-state kids that nobody else wanted. Everyone knows that...it's our DNA! The only question is how many out of each class. I gave you two but now you want me to believe that UA recruiters are so good that they can look at marginal D-1 kid and know that kid will be a solid contributor as a freshman therefore they offer ???
Well, the empirical evidence would indicate they were correct, would it not? I'm showing you, based on the players you indicated, that they recruited players who could contribute and play. You're just mad because they weren't from PBH, that's your problem, not the UofA's.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 16, 2016, 04:02:33 pm
Season went about like I expected. I was hoping that they would just improve to the point of being dominate but...Even still there's Blair and Whaley are worthy of an offer to D-1 schools. I am not aware of grades issue with either ACT might be an issue. I also heard Whaley ran a 4.55 at an camp but I cannot confirm that was true. At 6-1 220 just watching him run he definitely 4.6-4.7 range. Yet...no offers.
Ive seen Whaley fight off two blocks to run to the other side and catch a running back from behind after the RB was in full stride..He is a FREAK ATHLETE what ever University gets him got a STUD of a athlete...
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 08:05:58 am
Well, the empirical evidence would indicate they were correct, would it not? I'm showing you, based on the players you indicated, that they recruited players who could contribute and play. You're just mad because they weren't from PBH, that's your problem, not the UofA's.
So in your mind the UA staff KNEW that Liddell would come in and start at safety as a freshman? The same group of coaches that haven't been able to coach kids how to get off blocks, set the edge and not the runner get outside, tackle in the open field. BUT somehow they can look at kids from Arkansas that most SEC recruiters consider too small, too slow or both and determine they will contribute as freshman...that's what you want me to believe?
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on December 17, 2016, 08:11:31 am
Ive seen Whaley fight off two blocks to run to the other side and catch a running back from behind after the RB was in full stride..He is a FREAK ATHLETE what ever University gets him got a STUD of a athlete...
Was a little surprised he didn't make All-State I know his stats were down some. We moved him to his natural position OLB and most people didn't seem to notice that against spread formation he would cover the slot receiver like a blanket. He showed excellent cover skills I think he had 2 pick 6's this year.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 10:17:27 am
So in your mind the UA staff KNEW that Liddell would come in and start at safety as a freshman? The same group of coaches that haven't been able to coach kids how to get off blocks, set the edge and not the runner get outside, tackle in the open field. BUT somehow they can look at kids from Arkansas that most SEC recruiters consider too small, too slow or both and determine they will contribute as freshman...that's what you want me to believe?
No, I believe they though he would come in and contribute, I never said they had to start or contribute as a freshman, as very few no matter the stars/offers do. I suspect they know a whole lot more about recruiting and coaching, then either of us. I guess "contribute and play" is start as a freshman in your mind, you might try reading a little slower and comprehend.
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 11:06:53 am
No, I believe they though he would come in and contribute, I never said they had to start or contribute as a freshman, as very few no matter the stars/offers do. I suspect they know a whole lot more about recruiting and coaching, then either of us. I guess "contribute and play" is start as a freshman in your mind, you might try reading a little slower and comprehend.
What you are saying is BS whether I read it fast or slow makes no difference! You can continue to be UA's #1 apologist for being one step ahead of mediocrity. Those of us that don't want to keep lying to ourselves will point out the blatant errors in recruiting that UA makes ONE of those errors is continually ignoring athletes from PBH.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 12:18:50 pm
What you are saying is BS whether I read it fast or slow makes no difference! You can continue to be UA's #1 apologist for being one step ahead of mediocrity. Those of us that don't want to keep lying to ourselves will point out the blatant errors in recruiting that UA makes ONE of those errors is continually ignoring athletes from PBH.
I guess all of the SEC is ignoring them too, lol. I guess the university has it in for PBH since they haven't recruited from there for "50" years, it must be in the university's by-laws.
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 01:53:46 pm
I guess all of the SEC is ignoring them too, lol. I guess the university has it in for PBH since they haven't recruited from there for "50" years, it must be in the university's by-laws.
You keep torpedoing your own argument! Every year UA signs kids from Arkansas that the SEC ignored...just none have been from PBH. Over the last 30 or so years no one high school in Arkansas can put a list of players that did not sign with UA but went on to have solid college careers at major college football programs than PBH.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 04:54:57 pm
You keep torpedoing your own argument! Every year UA signs kids from Arkansas that the SEC ignored...just none have been from PBH. Over the last 30 or so years no one high school in Arkansas can put a list of players that did not sign with UA but went on to have solid college careers at major college football programs than PBH.
What you fail to understand, is I don't care where our recruits come from, you do. You also fail to account that no other SEC school thought these kids were worthy of an offer. How many were Prop 48 kids that couldn't get into the SEC or Big 12? The kids got their college education paid for, good for them.
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 05:03:58 pm
What you fail to understand, is I don't care where our recruits come from, you do. You also fail to account that no other SEC school thought these kids were worthy of an offer. How many were Prop 48 kids that couldn't get into the SEC or Big 12? The kids got their college education paid for, good for them.
2017 Class Arkansas commits from Arkansas:
Adcock, Nashville NO SEC offers
Jackson, Robinson NO SEC offers
Barnes, Cabot NO SEC offers
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 05:15:03 pm
2017 Class Arkansas commits from Arkansas:
Adcock, Nashville NO SEC offers
Jackson, Robinson NO SEC offers
Barnes, Cabot NO SEC offers
Looks good to me. Again, I don't care where the kids are from, name 3 commits to P5 schools from PBH for 2017. Also, I didn't realize the 2017 recruiting season was over.
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 05:24:54 pm
Looks good to me. Again, I don't care where the kids are from, name 3 commits to P5 schools from PBH for 2017. Also, I didn't realize the 2017 recruiting season was over.
Stop moving the goal post! First, well PBH kids didn't have P-5 offers. I listed others kids that didn't have a offer from a P-5, yet had an offer from Arkansas. Then well PBH kids need to have SEC offers. I listed other kids that didn't have a SEC offers yet got an offer from Arkansas. Now all the kids from PBH are Prop 48 despite not ONE shred of evidence that's why Arkansas passed.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 06:06:37 pm
Stop moving the goal post! First, well PBH kids didn't have P-5 offers. I listed others kids that didn't have a offer from a P-5, yet had an offer from Arkansas. Then well PBH kids need to have SEC offers. I listed other kids that didn't have a SEC offers yet got an offer from Arkansas. Now all the kids from PBH are Prop 48 despite not ONE shred of evidence that's why Arkansas passed.
I guess they don't like PBH. The only goalposts being moved are by you. I said to list the guys with P5 offers, someone did, except there was only a kicker listed in the past 4 years with one. I guess for the past 30 years, they haven't liked any of the recruits from PBH, seems simple to understand. You said they had all done well at a major college, which might be a stretch, to which I responded, there didn't seem to be any other SEC teams recruiting them, much less P5 schools. According to you, since Lou Holz was the head coach, there hasn't been a coach that could recognize talent. Again, I don't care where the recruits come from, be it Arkansas or elsewhere.
Quote from: ricepig on December 17, 2016, 06:34:44 pm
I guess they don't like PBH. The only goalposts being moved are by you. I said to list the guys with P5 offers, someone did, except there was only a kicker listed in the past 4 years with one. I guess for the past 30 years, they haven't liked any of the recruits from PBH, seems simple to understand. You said they had all done well at a major college, which might be a stretch, to which I responded, there didn't seem to be any other SEC teams recruiting them, much less P5 schools. According to you, since Lou Holz was the head coach, there hasn't been a coach that could recognize talent. Again, I don't care where the recruits come from, be it Arkansas or elsewhere.
You don't have to care but stop acting like it's all in PBH fans head. I didn't say UA coaches can't recognize talent they know full well what is going on.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 05:15:03 pm
2017 Class Arkansas commits from Arkansas:
Adcock, Nashville NO SEC offers
Jackson, Robinson NO SEC offers
Barnes, Cabot NO SEC offers
ZD, quit providing facts...it blows Rice's mind. He is so far up CBB's butt it's crazy...in his mind CBB is the best coach we have ever had...
yeah but at the same time 2 of those had p5 offers....so outside of one kid that was recruited i am still scratching my head on the arkansas hates pine bluff thing.....don't get me wrong, not a pig fan by any means, but who are you so hurt about that the pigs didn't recruit? john tate is the only one that I see in the past 5 years or so with a shot?
Also he had an sec offer and chose memphis....so confused
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 19, 2016, 02:17:53 pm
ZD, quit providing facts...it blows Rice's mind. He is so far up CBB's butt it's crazy...in his mind CBB is the best coach we have ever had...
Wrong as usual, and if you had the ability to comprehend, this isn't tied to any particular Arkansas coach.
Quote from: Made on December 19, 2016, 02:43:28 pm
yeah but at the same time 2 of those had p5 offers....so outside of one kid that was recruited i am still scratching my head on the arkansas hates pine bluff thing.....don't get me wrong, not a pig fan by any means, but who are you so hurt about that the pigs didn't recruit? john tate is the only one that I see in the past 5 years or so with a shot?
Correct, which was the original criteria I used. As far as Tate goes, they signed Agim, Capps, Guidry, and Jonathan Marshall for the D-line, 1 5*, 2 4*, and a 3*.
Quote from: ricepig on December 19, 2016, 03:05:00 pm
Correct, which was the original criteria I used. As far as Tate goes, they signed Agim, Capps, Guidry, and Jonathan Marshall for the D-line, 1 5*, 2 4*, and a 3*.
I understand what you are saying, trying to figure out his side more or less....as far as your stars go with that class tate was a 4 star was he not?
Quote from: Made on December 19, 2016, 02:43:28 pm
yeah but at the same time 2 of those had p5 offers....so outside of one kid that was recruited i am still scratching my head on the arkansas hates pine bluff thing.....don't get me wrong, not a pig fan by any means, but who are you so hurt about that the pigs didn't recruit? john tate is the only one that I see in the past 5 years or so with a shot?
Which kid listed has a P-5 offer? You're missing the point as well. IF...IF Arkansas never offered kids without a P-5 or SEC offer then I wouldn't have a argument. However, that has not been the case going back 30 years. My issue why a PBH athlete can't get an offer given the history of the program and the level of athletes produced. I mean people always say well PB should win a state championship every year given all the athletes we have...OK then why isn't the UA offering any of them? You can't have it both ways!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 03:51:42 pm
Which kid listed has a P-5 offer? You're missing the point as well. IF...IF Arkansas never offered kids without a P-5 or SEC offer then I wouldn't have a argument. However, that has not been the case going back 30 years. My issue why a PBH athlete can't get an offer given the history of the program and the level of athletes produced. I mean people always say well PB should win a state championship every year given all the athletes we have...OK then why isn't the UA offering any of them? You can't have it both ways!
Some athletes are great high school players, if you have enough of them and a good staff, you can win championships. That doesn't mean there are D-I type athletes on it. The only people I see saying PBH should win a championship every are from PB, lol, kind of like GW. You'll have to ask the current and past coaches at both places why there haven't been any offers, it's obvious nobody on here knows.
Quote from: ricepig on December 19, 2016, 03:02:07 pm
Wrong as usual, and if you had the ability to comprehend, this isn't tied to any particular Arkansas coach.
Oh I can comprehend...you are the one who said last four years...not me, nor anyone else...
my question would be , Why? Why does UA not recruit these kids?
Quote from: ricepig on December 19, 2016, 06:05:07 pm
Some athletes are great high school players, if you have enough of them and a good staff, you can win championships. That doesn't mean there are D-I type athletes on it. The only people I see saying PBH should win a championship every are from PB, lol, kind of like GW. You'll have to ask the current and past coaches at both places why there haven't been any offers, it's obvious nobody on here knows.
You're either being intellectually dishonest or just regular ole dishonest. You've been on this board for a decade nobody believes that you haven't seen a post (from someone not from PBH) about how PB should win every year. Especially when 7A vs 6A discussions come up!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 03:51:42 pm
Which kid listed has a P-5 offer? You're missing the point as well. IF...IF Arkansas never offered kids without a P-5 or SEC offer then I wouldn't have a argument. However, that has not been the case going back 30 years. My issue why a PBH athlete can't get an offer given the history of the program and the level of athletes produced. I mean people always say well PB should win a state championship every year given all the athletes we have...OK then why isn't the UA offering any of them? You can't have it both ways!
Adcock and Robinson both had offers from p5 schools Adcock big 12 and Robinson Big 10.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 03:51:42 pm
why isn't the UA offering any of them? You can't have it both ways!
ok you win.....who is it that the pigs missed? Who from PB should have been picked up
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 06:56:47 pm
You're either being intellectually dishonest or just regular ole dishonest. You've been on this board for a decade nobody believes that you haven't seen a post (from someone not from PBH) about how PB should win every year. Especially when 7A vs 6A discussions come up!
Yeah, and I've read where GW was going to win it every year, and a whole lot of b.s. from bulldoger15, but that doesn't make it true, does it? Marn was going to punish, and some dude from WM always has them winning. If your basing the ranking of PBH on what is posted on FF, then I think we've found the problem.
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 19, 2016, 06:32:28 pm
Oh I can comprehend...you are the one who said last four years...not me, nor anyone else...
Yes, 2013-2016 recruiting classes, this is the 2017 class. I also said who have they signed that hasn't started or contributed that didn't have a SEC offer. In the past 4 classes Liddell is the only player that didn't have a SEC offer, and he's started, thus worthy of the offer.
Quote from: ricepig on December 19, 2016, 08:49:00 pm
Yeah, and I've read where GW was going to win it every year, and a whole lot of b.s. from bulldoger15, but that doesn't make it true, does it? Marn was going to punish, and some dude from WM always has them winning. If your basing the ranking of PBH on what is posted on FF, then I think we've found the problem.
No it's based upon years and years of a kid from PBH not getting an offer.
Quote from: Made on December 19, 2016, 07:54:00 pm
Adcock and Robinson both had offers from p5 schools Adcock big 12 and Robinson Big 10.
Nope! Not good enough got to have a SEC offer.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 09:19:19 pm
Nope! Not good enough got to have a SEC offer.
Again, I said,"Name me who signed that didn't have a P5 offer in the last 4 years that hasn't contributed and shown they were worth it." Of the guys you named, 2 have P5 offers, and of course, we have no way of knowing if the will contribute and show the were worthy of an offer. They also are this year, not in the past 4.
Quote from: ricepig on December 19, 2016, 08:56:01 pm
Yes, 2013-2016 recruiting classes, this is the 2017 class. I also said who have they signed that hasn't started or contributed that didn't have a SEC offer. In the past 4 classes Liddell is the only player that didn't have a SEC offer, and he's started, thus worthy of the offer.
Well then, that would be your boy CBB...so I guess I was right and you were wrong as usual...lol ;D
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 20, 2016, 10:11:43 am
Well then, that would be your boy CBB...so I guess I was right and you were wrong as usual...lol ;D
Who are the players that haven't contributed?
Zebradynasty, I probably missed it in a previous post but saying you are correct in your thoughts about the University not recruiting Pine Bluff athletes , what reason would cause them to do that?
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 19, 2016, 09:19:19 pm
Nope! Not good enough got to have a SEC offer.
Tate had an SEC offer and didn't take it???? So why does it have to be an SEC offer.....An SEC team lost out to Memphis really???
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/198952/john-tate
maybe the piglets knew he didn't want to be in the sec?
Quote from: Made on December 20, 2016, 11:14:13 pm
Tate had an SEC offer and didn't take it???? So why does it have to be an SEC offer.....An SEC team lost out to Memphis really???
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/198952/john-tate
maybe the piglets knew he didn't want to be in the sec?
I never mention Tate nor was I the one initiated the SEC offer criteria. I was just going along, it didn't make sense to me either.
Quote from: whitefella1 on December 20, 2016, 06:36:23 pm
Zebradynasty, I probably missed it in a previous post but saying you are correct in your thoughts about the University not recruiting Pine Bluff athletes , what reason would cause them to do that?
I believe it's because PB has never made an effort to direct it's best players to the Hill. Really, it's a question the Unversity should have to answer!
Quote from: ricepig on December 20, 2016, 03:39:29 pm
Who are the players that haven't contributed?
About the 4 years Rice...stay on track here...and I could care less anyway. PBH has been stubbed historically since the early nineties and it is really stupid to even argue it. Too many good players passed on...
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 21, 2016, 08:02:02 am
About the 4 years Rice...stay on track here...and I could care less anyway. PBH has been stubbed historically since the early nineties and it is really stupid to even argue it. Too many good players passed on...
I'm on track, which kids didn't contribute on the Hill, or is this just the Venny version?
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 08:21:12 am
I'm on track, which kids didn't contribute on the Hill, or is this just the Venny version?
You are making a HUGE assumption that our coaches consciously and subjectively looked at these kids and KNEW they would be starters or major contributors early. That somehow they knew but the rest of the SEC coaches didn't see it. Given the large gap in talent level Arkansas has vs the top SEC teams... I think the most likely scenario is that even a blind squirrel finds a nut!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 21, 2016, 09:43:49 am
You are making a HUGE assumption that our coaches consciously and subjectively looked at these kids and KNEW they would be starters or major contributors early. That somehow they knew but the rest of the SEC coaches didn't see it. Given the large gap in talent level Arkansas has vs the top SEC teams... I think the most likely scenario is that even a blind squirrel finds a nut!
No........I'm saying the kids were able to contribute, so that shows the coach's evaluations were correct. Do you think they said, "let's offers these kids because no one else has"??? I don't know why they haven't offered kids from PBH, I doubt they are purposely avoiding them for 30 years, do you think they have?
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 11:48:57 am
No........I'm saying the kids were able to contribute, so that shows the coach's evaluations were correct. Do you think they said, "let's offers these kids because no one else has"??? I don't know why they haven't offered kids from PBH, I doubt they are purposely avoiding them for 30 years, do you think they have?
YES! Now do I have a recording of a coach or an UA official saying so? NO! What I do have is over 30 years of observations. If Pine Bluff was a program like Walnut Ridge, hardly ever make the state playoffs, seldom has any kids making all-state...I'am talking about a program with nearly 800 victories, a program that holds nearly every state record in Track and Field in the sprints, a program that has produced All-Conference, NFL players, Hall of Famers... Should not take that much effort to recruit here yet when it comes to PBH, UA has little to show.
I don't really know much about why the UA doesn't recruit PB. If the PB players are athletically D1 caliber I would say,just guessing, grades or behavior for a starting place if there is a legit reason for not offering. If they are D1 caliber and grades or behavior is not the reason, then I think something is shady. I do keep in mind that over the last 30 years there have been several different HC at UA and PB. Is the relationship that bad between the schools? Strange!!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 21, 2016, 02:41:37 pm
YES! Now do I have a recording of a coach or an UA official saying so? NO! What I do have is over 30 years of observations. If Pine Bluff was a program like Walnut Ridge, hardly ever make the state playoffs, seldom has any kids making all-state...I'am talking about a program with nearly 800 victories, a program that holds nearly every state record in Track and Field in the sprints, a program that has produced All-Conference, NFL players, Hall of Famers... Should not take that much effort to recruit here yet when it comes to PBH, UA has little to show.
Hindsight is 20/20, you knew all those guys would be All-Conference, NFL players, or HOF?? There's no doubt some were Prop 48's, some were late bloomers, and some were missed, but I doubt there is a written rule in the BAC not to recruit football players out of PBH. Unfortunately, if there was, it's been hauled off with the demolition, lol.
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 03:24:32 pm
Hindsight is 20/20, you knew all those guys would be All-Conference, NFL players, or HOF?? There's no doubt some were Prop 48's, some were late bloomers, and some were missed, but I doubt there is a written rule in the BAC not to recruit football players out of PBH. Unfortunately, if there was, it's been hauled off with the demolition, lol.
Why does the Prop 48 keep coming up? The players listed below are what I call BIG misses I'm not aware of anything concerning grades or Prop 48 except for Skelton and Shabazz. L some went to schools more academically acclaimed than the UA! UA loves to use the excuse of "late bloomer" when it comes to Willie Roaf but really how hard was it to see 6'-5" 260lbs long arms, had footwork like a WR being a OT at a major college! ::)
'98 Demoine Adams- Nebraska *NFL,CFL
'99 Johnathon Chisim - Rice
'00 Mark Bradley -Oklahoma * NFL
'02 Scott Wesley - Army
'02 Justin Bass- Louisiana Tech
'04 Colin Pelton- SMU
'04 Martell Mallett -Bowling Green *NFL, CFL 2009 ROY
'05 David Johnson- Ark St * NFL
'09 Claude Johnson- Ark St (offers from Tenn)
'11 Joseph Treadwell - Louisiana Monroe
'14 Austin Mcgee- Pudue
'16 John Tate- Memphis
'16 David Beasley-La Tech
Honarable Mentions
'16 Ladarius Skelton - (Landers Award winner)
'81 Danny Bradley-Oklahoma (big 8 opy) (Big 8 MVP)
'85 Eric Mitchell-Oklahoma(parade h.s All American)
'88 Willie Roaf- La Tech NFL (pro football hall of fame)
'90 Basil Shabazz - UAPB (Considered the best high school athlete in Arkansas History )
'91 Robert Woodus Jr- Miami
Most be some reason? What do you suggest?
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 21, 2016, 06:14:26 pm
Why does the Prop 48 keep coming up? The players listed below are what I call BIG misses I'm not aware of anything concerning grades or Prop 48 except for Skelton and Shabazz. L some went to schools more academically acclaimed than the UA! UA loves to use the excuse of "late bloomer" when it comes to Willie Roaf but really how hard was it to see 6'-5" 260lbs long arms, had footwork like a WR being a OT at a major college! ::)
'98 Demoine Adams- Nebraska *NFL,CFL
'99 Johnathon Chisim - Rice
'00 Mark Bradley -Oklahoma * NFL
'02 Scott Wesley - Army
'02 Justin Bass- Louisiana Tech
'04 Colin Pelton- SMU
'04 Martell Mallett -Bowling Green *NFL, CFL 2009 ROY
'05 David Johnson- Ark St * NFL
'09 Claude Johnson- Ark St (offers from Tenn)
'11 Joseph Treadwell - Louisiana Monroe
'14 Austin Mcgee- Pudue
'16 John Tate- Memphis
'16 David Beasley-La Tech
Honarable Mentions
'16 Ladarius Skelton - (Landers Award winner)
'81 Danny Bradley-Oklahoma (big 8 opy) (Big 8 MVP)
'85 Eric Mitchell-Oklahoma(parade h.s All American)
'88 Willie Roaf- La Tech NFL (pro football hall of fame)
'90 Basil Shabazz - UAPB (Considered the best high school athlete in Arkansas History )
'91 Robert Woodus Jr- Miami
Prop 48 comes up because the SEC didn't accept them long before other conferences had to stop due to a change in NCAA regulations. I pointed that out to you, but you conveniently skipped it. Without knowing the grades/scores of particular players, it's a possibility that has to be considered. I realize some school had higher academic standings, they still admitted Prop 48 players. It's like the SEC rule on JUCO's, they have to pass College Algebra to be accepted into a SEC member school, we've missed several due to that regulation.
As far as Roaf, wouldn't you say everyone else missed out on him? Why don't you tell me who will sign with a FBS school out of this class that will shine, you seem to have the ability to see into the future.
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 07:26:15 pm
Prop 48 comes up because the SEC didn't accept them long before other conferences had to stop due to a change in NCAA regulations. I pointed that out to you, but you conveniently skipped it. Without knowing the grades/scores of particular players, it's a possibility that has to be considered. I realize some school had higher academic standings, they still admitted Prop 48 players. It's like the SEC rule on JUCO's, they have to pass College Algebra to be accepted into a SEC member school, we've missed several due to that regulation.
As far as Roaf, wouldn't you say everyone else missed out on him? Why don't you tell me who will sign with a FBS school out of this class that will shine, you seem to have the ability to see into the future.
I didn't forget I called it BS two pages ago! Your not saying it's possible they were Prop 48 so Arkansas passed you saying that IS what happen. No one around here remembers any talk of Prop 48 was holding these players back from Arkansas when they were coming out of high school. You look up their Bios or L talk them right now none of them say, "I was Prop 48".
I'm not clairvoyant just IF you looked at how Roaf moved (He could have played college basketball) and then you saw the size of his dad and the size of his mom ....yeah he was going to get much bigger. Mark Bradley was probably the second best track athlete ever at PB ran a 4.3 forty.
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 08:21:12 am
I'm on track, which kids didn't contribute on the Hill, or is this just the Venny version?
Quote from: ricepig on December 21, 2016, 11:48:57 am
No........I'm saying the kids were able to contribute, so that shows the coach's evaluations were correct. Do you think they said, "let's offers these kids because no one else has"??? I don't know why they haven't offered kids from PBH, I doubt they are purposely avoiding them for 30 years, do you think they have?
Yeah, CBB's evals were so accurate that it got us to a whopping 7-5...lol...give it up Rice, the UofA has missed out on some really good players from PB...Late bloomer or not Willie Roaf is a HOF player and the UA missed him...heck Rice look at the kid from Strong that the UA missed on that is now playing for the Ravens...Yeah buddy...face it, the coaches on the hill are buffoons...
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 21, 2016, 09:41:18 pm
I didn't forget I called it BS two pages ago! Your not saying it's possible they were Prop 48 so Arkansas passed you saying that IS what happen. No one around here remembers any talk of Prop 48 was holding these players back from Arkansas when they were coming out of high school. You look up their Bios or L talk them right now none of them say, "I was Prop 48".
I'm not clairvoyant just IF you looked at how Roaf moved (He could have played college basketball) and then you saw the size of his dad and the size of his mom ....yeah he was going to get much bigger. Mark Bradley was probably the second best track athlete ever at PB ran a 4.3 forty.
Correct, no one knows, so it's definitely a possibility on some. I know several kids from the state of Arkansas received scholarships from ASU because they were still able to accept Prop 48 kids, as were other FBS schools. I told you Arkansas misses on kids, no one said they didn't, I don't think that was ever debated. You keep asking why they haven't been recruiting players from PBH, I offered you a reason or possibility on some.
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 21, 2016, 10:20:12 pm
Yeah, CBB's evals were so accurate that it got us to a whopping 7-5...lol...give it up Rice, the UofA has missed out on some really good players from PB...Late bloomer or not Willie Roaf is a HOF player and the UA missed him...heck Rice look at the kid from Strong that the UA missed on that is now playing for the Ravens...Yeah buddy...face it, the coaches on the hill are buffoons...
Well, you need to ask Hatfield and Petrino why they didn't offer Roaf and Strong, I'm sure they'll tell you. Petrino wanted a bigger back out of Oklahoma, and went against his RB coach's recommendation, I wouldn't have any idea why Hatfield made his choice. You're like Z, always the MMQB, it's a lot easier that way, huh.....
I would say that at least part of UA's problem is the expectations of the UA fan base. How many D 1's does Arkansas produce in comparison to other states? Fans want UA to take AR kids that get a lot of hype and sometimes we miss on others that are better college types.
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on December 22, 2016, 11:22:58 am
I would say that at least part of UA's problem is the expectations of the UA fan base. How many D 1's does Arkansas produce in comparison to other states? Fans want UA to take AR kids that get a lot of hype and sometimes we miss on others that are better college types.
Prime example the Springdale 3. Nut didn't want them at least not all three but pressure from others made him pull out all stops to sign all of them.
If I recall, he had to take all to get one, and the coach that came with the package.
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on December 22, 2016, 11:44:49 am
If I recall, he had to take all to get one, and the coach that came with the package.
Yeah, and it was 5, I believe, Mustain, Williams, Cleveland, Webb(ND), and I think another one that slips my mind.
Edit: Andrew Norman, went to Tulsa.
Williams turned out to have a pretty good college caareer, what about the rest.
Quote from: Iknewthemwhen on December 22, 2016, 12:18:21 pm
Williams turned out to have a pretty good college caareer, what about the rest.
Webb ended up getting hurt and never playing, I believe, Cleveland was so-so, and I know you know Mustain's career.
This is what I'm talking about, top notch signees that didn't pan out. Who is helping guiding these picks.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 17, 2016, 05:15:03 pm
2017 Class Arkansas commits from Arkansas:
Adcock, Nashville NO SEC offers
Jackson, Robinson NO SEC offers
Barnes, Cabot NO SEC offers
Add another one Hayden Henry, PA! ::)
Quote from: ricepig on January 31, 2017, 02:11:15 pm
Blue shirt.
Blue Shirt.....more like BS the intent is to get a kid on scholarship why not just let him walk on?
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 31, 2017, 04:36:27 pm
Blue Shirt.....more like BS the intent is to get a kid on scholarship why not just let him walk on?
He does for a semester.
Did anyone hear about the Pine Bluff QB Simeon Blair accepting walk on with Hogs in the spring '18 for DB ?
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on April 19, 2017, 05:33:01 pm
Did anyone hear about the Pine Bluff QB Simeon Blair accepting walk on with Hogs in the spring '18 for DB ?
They were reading fearless and realized they had to throw PB a bone. ;)
Quote from: The Zebra Successor on April 19, 2017, 05:33:01 pm
Did anyone hear about the Pine Bluff QB Simeon Blair accepting walk on with Hogs in the spring '18 for DB ?
Why isn't he walking on for the fall of 2017?
Pine Bluff is a noted Arkansas power. No need to ask for respect. Anyone in this state knows the Legend of the Zebras looms high. Play them if you think they're not.
Quote from: Hoghead2 on June 16, 2017, 07:38:50 pm
Pine Bluff is a noted Arkansas power. No need to ask for respect. Anyone in this state knows the Legend of the Zebras looms high. Play them if you think they're not.
Agreed. The only time I can remember Pine Bluff mot being a noted Arkansas power is when they hired the wrong head coach. It took them a few years to realize their mistake, send him packing, and hire the guy they have as HC now.
Quote from: GuvHog on June 18, 2017, 12:54:52 pm
Agreed. The only time I can remember Pine Bluff mot being a noted Arkansas power is when they hired the wrong head coach. It took them a few years to realize their mistake, send him packing, and hire the guy they have as HC now.
+1
I have loads of respect for PB. I believe it was my sophomore year in '83, when Eric Mitchel and the Z's put a beatdown on us, 27-0. In the '84 season, we kept it close against Mitchel and PB, losing 13-7. Finally got over the hump and got a narrow win, 10-7 in '85. Of course, EM was playing for the Sooners by then....Lol ... but a win against PB was always a big deal. Man, they were loaded with talent and Mitchel was one of the best athletes I have ever seen.
Har-Ber is going to travel to PB for a week 3 game in 2018 and it is all because of the tradition that PB has.
Quote from: BM22 on June 19, 2017, 10:25:15 am
I have loads of respect for PB. I believe it was my sophomore year in '83, when Eric Mitchel and the Z's put a beatdown on us, 27-0. In the '84 season, we kept it close against Mitchel and PB, losing 13-7. Finally got over the hump and got a narrow win, 10-7 in '85. Of course, EM was playing for the Sooners by then....Lol ... but a win against PB was always a big deal. Man, they were loaded with talent and Mitchel was one of the best athletes I have ever seen.
Mitchel was really good but the best Zebra player I have ever seen was Basil Shabazz. If he had been eligible to play for the U of A, I believe he would've set all kinds of records there.
Quote from: GuvHog on June 19, 2017, 11:51:27 am
Mitchel was really good but the best Zebra player I have ever seen was Basil Shabazz. If he had been eligible to play for the U of A, I believe he would've set all kinds of records there.
Yeah, Shabazz was the best i have ever seen as well, followed by Mitchel. Would have loved to have seen both Basil and Eric in a hog uni. Both would have set some records at Ark.
Quote from: GuvHog on June 19, 2017, 11:51:27 am
Mitchel was really good but the best Zebra player I have ever seen was Basil Shabazz. If he had been eligible to play for the U of A, I believe he would've set all kinds of records there.
yeah Basil Shabazz was best football player in Arkansas high school history
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on June 19, 2017, 11:23:38 am
Har-Ber is going to travel to PB for a week 3 game in 2018 and it is all because of the tradition that PB has.
Really? That's a good match up...I wonder if we're dropping Cabot after this year and moving Northside back to week one! Hmmm
Quote from: zebrafan on June 19, 2017, 04:26:55 pm
Really? That's a good match up...I wonder if we're dropping Cabot after this year and moving Northside back to week one! Hmmm
Yes it will be a very good match up. Zebras will pay a return visit to HB in 2019. I love seeing some NWA and Central Arkansas games!!!
Quote from: Rob Van Winkle on June 19, 2017, 04:31:14 pm
Yes it will be a very good match up. Zebras will pay a return visit to HB in 2019. I love seeing some NWA and Central Arkansas games!!!
Cool deal! That will be a tough test for the Z's! Definitely like when PB plays NW ark teams especially when the Hogs are at home the next day😀
Quote from: zebrafan on June 19, 2017, 04:26:55 pm
Really? That's a good match up...I wonder if we're dropping Cabot after this year and moving Northside back to week one! Hmmm
I knew we were going to drop Cabot (don't expect them to be back on our schedule soon) but had not heard who was going to take their place. Nice replacement though!
Quote from: zebradynasty on June 20, 2017, 12:16:19 am
I knew we were going to drop Cabot (don't expect them to be back on our schedule soon) but had not heard who was going to take their place. Nice replacement though!
Indeed, hopefully we can split with Cabot since they got us last year😬
Quote from: BM22 on June 19, 2017, 12:07:13 pm
Yeah, Shabazz was the best i have ever seen as well, followed by Mitchel. Would have loved to have seen both Basil and Eric in a hog uni. Both would have set some records at Ark.
Don't forget Eric Mitchells cousin Danny Bradley. He was another PB great. He became a legendary QB at Oklahoma in the 80's
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on June 19, 2017, 02:14:40 pm
yeah Basil Shabazz was best football player in Arkansas high school history
If Shabazz had gone the JUCO route as the Hog coaching staff encouraged him to do, He could possibly have gotten a scholarship offer from Arkansas as a Junior but he took the Pro baseball signing bonus instead. That didn't work out either.
Quote from: TheESPNGuy on November 09, 2016, 09:31:43 pm
One of the reasons why I asked Respect or No Respect is because Pine Bluff High doesn't get much or hardly any exposure in the Nothwest Arkansas area which in large part makes it rough for people across the state particular in that area to really understand what kind of program the Zebras have. People in that area are so loaded with 7A teams that I honestly feel they look down on the rest of the state in terms of competition. Pine Bluff High finished in the MaxPrep Top 100 last year going undefeated (13-0) with victories over 7A teams Fort Smith Northside (our longest active rival) & North Little Rock as well as a victory of 6A power Greenwood. The lack of exposure in that area and because of the great distance really plays apart when it comes to people respecting the program or even keeping up with them. In the past the Z's have also played Fayetteville, Fort Smith Southside, & Bentonville back in the old 5A set up. So I think you can better understand the post now and what I am asking.
To your point the NWA teams have had more recognition not necessarily success playing against out of state teams and that is partially why they talked about more than Z's. Unfortunately, a Bobby Bolding coached Z's team has not had the pleasure of playing North Louisiana, Mississippi, or any out of state teams like we did say 15 to 20 years ago. It takes more than just some fan chatter and desire for the Z's to be successful against those teams. I think that presently scheduling an out of state team would go along way to help change the perception of the lack of respect that the Z's receive. We've had success consistently for years since Coach BB has gotten here. We were on a decline when Coach Joe Hart retired. It was evident when we where in the highest classification around 2004-2006 (I believe) We lost quite a few games then. No one can argue that talent and passion is not here it was the leadership that we needed. When you are not winning games it's hard for the (perceived) biased news stations to say something good about you. They seem to talk about things other than football. I personally that we are just have to catch up with NWA as far as resources to be able to change that perception the way things presently are. A perfect example is when the Z's beat Benton in the championship game it was their specifically their television stations, radio stations, cameras, sports commentators, and overall resources that got the game televised and even enabled to be posted on youtube in good quality. The (biased) way in which the game was call was very evident. Not taking anything away from Benton. I think the PB and/or Southeast Arkansas market is open and ready to be capitalized on in that regard.
Quote from: protegewill on July 31, 2017, 02:19:27 pm
To your point the NWA teams have had more recognition not necessarily success playing against out of state teams and that is partially why they talked about more than Z's. Unfortunately, a Bobby Bolding coached Z's team has not had the pleasure of playing North Louisiana, Mississippi, or any out of state teams like we did say 15 to 20 years ago. It takes more than just some fan chatter and desire for the Z's to be successful against those teams. I think that presently scheduling an out of state team would go along way to help change the perception of the lack of respect that the Z's receive. We've had success consistently for years since Coach BB has gotten here. We were on a decline when Coach Joe Hart retired. It was evident when we where in the highest classification around 2004-2006 (I believe) We lost quite a few games then. No one can argue that talent and passion is not here it was the leadership that we needed. When you are not winning games it's hard for the (perceived) biased news stations to say something good about you. They seem to talk about things other than football. I personally that we are just have to catch up with NWA as far as resources to be able to change that perception the way things presently are. A perfect example is when the Z's beat Benton in the championship game it was their specifically their television stations, radio stations, cameras, sports commentators, and overall resources that got the game televised and even enabled to be posted on youtube in good quality. The (biased) way in which the game was call was very evident. Not taking anything away from Benton. I think the PB and/or Southeast Arkansas market is open and ready to be capitalized on in that regard.
Yep, I remember while coach Hart was there, they scheduled games against Monroe-Neville which was a gutsy move and PB usually got hammered pretty good by them.
Quote from: GuvHog on July 31, 2017, 02:41:17 pm
Yep, I remember while coach Hart was there, they scheduled games against Monroe-Neville which was a gutsy move and PB usually got hammered pretty good by them.
I'll do some checking but I think we split the series with them.
PB should have the upper hand on Neville during this era. I believe West Monroe is running that area. PB could deep over here in East Texas. That is a tough task and they would probably get beat but I would think they'll hold their own in due time.
One thing I know is those who get respect also lose games like all others. I respect any player willing to step on the field and play the game. Some are better than others at the game but all deserve respect.
Quote from: zebradynasty on July 31, 2017, 04:08:04 pm
I'll do some checking but I think we split the series with them.
You are correct. Each team lost at home game.
Quote from: protegewill on August 01, 2017, 08:10:29 am
You are correct. Each team lost at home game.
to be more accurate. In fall of "99" we went to Neville La and won on a last second touchdown. Mark Bradley caught a pass from either Omar Blunt or Melvin Thomas and then he fumbled near the goal line the ball went into the endzone and Derrick Surratt recovered the fumble and it was ruled a touchdown. In the fall of "00" they came to Jordan Stadium and won by around a 17pt margin if I am remember correctly. As for the other times we played I can not say.
Quote from: zebrafan on June 19, 2017, 04:49:14 pm
Cool deal! That will be a tough test for the Z's! Definitely like when PB plays NW ark teams especially when the Hogs are at home the next day😀
I would also loved to see these two teams play each other the last couple of seasons. There would have been some marquee matchups to look at. I see some great games when they play.
Quote from: sportsguy80 on August 01, 2017, 07:55:04 pm
I would also loved to see these two teams play each other the last couple of seasons. There would have been some marquee matchups to look at. I see some great games when they play.
No kidding.
Quote from: AHS06 on July 31, 2017, 04:12:11 pm
PB should have the upper hand on Neville during this era. I believe West Monroe is running that area. PB could deep over here in East Texas. That is a tough task and they would probably get beat but I would think they'll hold their own in due time.
I agree. With the HC that Pine Bluff has now, they would have the upper hand on Monroe-Neville.
Quote from: GuvHog on August 02, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
I agree. With the HC that Pine Bluff has now, they would have the upper hand on Monroe-Neville.
I gotta disagree there. Monroe and Neville would wipe the floor with Pine Bluff in most years. Most years they usually have a couple SEC level athletes on their teams. West Monroe is the best team in that area but not by much. Neville lost in their championship game last to Edna Karr (a new Orleans team that usually has 8 or 9 D1 athletes on their rosters in most years) but they also beat Shreveport Evangel soundly, a team who most would say was the best in the state by the end of the year.
How Pine Bluff plays and the athletes they have wouldn't be anything new to those schools down there. They may match up with Ouachita Parish a little better but even they may have more talent then Pine Bluff.
I been proud of Pine Bluff breaking the NWA hold on 6A State Championship!
Quote from: Lions84 on August 02, 2017, 08:37:37 pm
I been proud of Pine Bluff breaking the NWA hold on 6A State Championship!
What do you mean?
Quote from: protegewill on August 01, 2017, 08:25:26 am
to be more accurate. In fall of "99" we went to Neville La and won on a last second touchdown. Mark Bradley caught a pass from either Omar Blunt or Melvin Thomas and then he fumbled near the goal line the ball went into the endzone and Derrick Surratt recovered the fumble and it was ruled a touchdown. In the fall of "00" they came to Jordan Stadium and won by around a 17pt margin if I am remember correctly. As for the other times we played I can not say.
PB played @ Neville in 1993 i believe...Rod Stinson at RB....Neville's defense was out of this world, The Neville free safety came down on 1 play and met Stinson at the LOS and knocked him out of the game.....incredible hit
frm west Memphis we got mch lve fo yal mane