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Title: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 08:00:58 am
So, I hear and saw a video that half of the women's basketball team knelt during the National Anthem...dear lord just a few points here...

1. Grow up, 99% of the people could care less...
2. I bet most if not all that knelt have no idea why they knelt, just trying to do what they saw on TV...
3. You are on scholarship representing the U of A...act like it...
4. LOL...you are not getting your message to anyone...cause it's football season for one and two you are not any good anyway so not many people watch...now, win something and maybe more people will see you kneel...
5. This would be a great teaching lesson for Jimmy Dykes...I doubt he uses it...as a matter of fact he defended it as did Jeff Long...time for both to be gone...see video below...

http://www.arkansasfight.com/2016/11/3/13516792/arkansas-womens-basketball-kneel-national-anthem-internet-erupts-kaepernick

Way to represent Long and Dykes...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Lions84 on November 04, 2016, 09:14:07 am
I more upset at Jeff Long and the Coach for allowing it and letting them get buy with it.  If I was Long I would have had the Coach send the team back to the locker room announced we are forfeiting the game and then I would have gave them the Jerry Jones speech about such nonsense.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2016, 09:50:45 am
These ladies will receive over $100000 in scholarships for being able to play a game yet they want people to think they are being suppressed somehow. Time for long and dykes to go
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 04, 2016, 09:53:14 am
I don't agree with it but good gosh. You're acting like they murdered someone. The first amendment does still exist, you know.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:54:50 am
People can say what they want about Jerry Jones, but he handled that the right way...he handles the checks and payroll...Jeff Long should take a page out of his book...he can handle the schollies...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:56:52 am
Quote from: Fred Bird on November 04, 2016, 09:53:14 am
I don't agree with it but good gosh. You're acting like they murdered someone. The first amendment does still exist, you know.
Yeah it does...and so does the right to revoke a scholarship for acting like a two year old...this is a direct reflection on the UofA...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:59:55 am
I encourage everyone to email Jeff Long that agrees that the way this was handled was wrong. I know for a fact his inbox has been blown up this morning...I emailed him as well...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 10:08:09 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:59:55 am
I encourage everyone to email Jeff Long that agrees that the way this was handled was wrong. I know for a fact his inbox has been blown up this morning...I emailed him as well...

He got an email from our home too


As far as the lady Razorbacks, hope they lose every game. Use that time and energy in your community and on your team. Not doing some attention stunt.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on November 04, 2016, 10:13:38 am
If these idiots want to protest, then they should do their kneeling in the locker room during the national anthem.  Do not allow them on the floor until the game is ready to begin!  Dykes and Long need to be in there with them.  This is totally embarrassing!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on November 04, 2016, 10:32:07 am
I can support the message and standing up for what you believe, but as a military veteran, I can't really support the method its being done.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: wesley243 on November 04, 2016, 10:55:52 am
SAD DAY TO KNOW THAT THE RAZORBACKS, HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED IN THIS WAY. THESE KIDS ARE REPRESENTING OUR STATE AND THERE ON SCHOLARSHIP. IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS OFF THE COURT, DO SO. AS FOR COACH DYKES, IM ASHAMED OF YOU, I THOUGHT MORE OF YOU, THAN TO ALLOW THIS. YOU ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN. IM SURE THESE PLAYERS ARE OPPRESSED REPRESENTING, THE U OF A FOR FREE! I'M AN AMERICAN FIRST & THIS LIFELONG RAZORBACK FAN CAN FIND  ANOTHER TEAM! LOOK AND SEE HOW THIS IS WORKING OUT FOR THE NFL! THIS RAZORBACK FAN IS NAUSEATED!!! HERES THE PHONE # FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AS SICK AS ME! 479-575-2000 ASK FOR ATHLETIC DEPT. THANKS FOR THE AVENUE HERE TO VENT!!!   
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 11:05:51 am
I have lost respect for the coach and the AD due to their responses to this incident. 

Yes these six have the right to free speech and peaceful protest, just not while they are representing the school.  Is there not some code of student-athlete conduct at the U of A?

Participation in an extracurricular activity at a publicly funded school is a privilege, not a right. 

The basic concept of a team is one of working together so that the total is more than the sum of the parts.  If these athletes had some perceived problem with the American Heart Association and refused to wear red jerseys, would the coach and AD let these six wear white jerseys at games where the rest of the team wore red?  I don't think so. 
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 11:12:06 am
I called Jeff Long's office to voice my displeasure.  His secretary was very nice, but a little defensive when I told her my biggest beef is that Mr. Long endorsed the action.  She corrected me and said that he did not endorse the action, but supported his student athletes.  Sounds like a well rehearsed script and word smithing.  She then told me she had my phone number and did I want to leave my name, which I did.

I support the players right to have and voice opinions, but they should exercise their right without being in the Razorback uniform. 

Until Long corrects this, my foundation donation (though quite insignificant in the grand scheme) will be withheld.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: hogfan2003 on November 04, 2016, 11:40:47 am
IM A PROUD AMERICAN! NOT SO MUCH OF A RAZORBACK FAN UNLESS THIS IS CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY! DYKES SHOULD HAVE TOLD THEM TO GET UP OR GET OFF THIS STATES COURT! THEY HAVE THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING THIS STATES FLAGSHIP UNIVERSITY FOR FREE,  AN HONOR MOST KIDS WOULD LOVE!!!  SUCH OPPRESSION! CORRECT THIS IMMEDIATELY OR I NO LONGER A SUPPORT THE HOGS PERIOD! U OFA PH#479-575-2000 FOR THE PROUD AMERICANS. ISNT BASEBALL GREAT!!!
Title: HOGSICK AMERICAN
Post by: hogfan2003 on November 04, 2016, 11:54:58 am
WE'VE BEEN BEAT ON THE FIELD & ON THE COURT AND I'VE BEEN SAD, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN ASHAMED TO BE A HOG! WHAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AT OUR UNIVERSITIES WOMENS BASKETBALL GAME IS SHAMEFUL! DYKES SHOULD HAVE TOLD THOSE GIRLS TO STAND DURING OUR NATIONS ANTHEM OR LEAVE THE FLOOR PERMANANTLY! IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE DO IT ON THERE ON TIME NOT WHEN THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE HOGNATION! I WOULD CERTAINLY MISS THE RAZORBACKS, BUT I DONT HAVE TO BE A HOGFAN!! CALL ATHLETIC DEPT AND OUR POLITICAL LEADERS THIS IS THE TAXPAYERS UNIVERSITY!!!!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:03:21 pm
Your CAP lock is on.   ^^^^^^
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:04:19 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 11:12:06 am
I called Jeff Long's office to voice my displeasure.  His secretary was very nice, but a little defensive when I told her my biggest beef is that Mr. Long endorsed the action.  She corrected me and said that he did not endorse the action, but supported his student athletes.  Sounds like a well rehearsed script and word smithing.  She then told me she had my phone number and did I want to leave my name, which I did.

I support the players right to have and voice opinions, but they should exercise their right without being in the Razorback uniform. 

Until Long corrects this, my foundation donation (though quite insignificant in the grand scheme) will be withheld.

Do you have good seats?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:08:41 pm
While I don't agree with their actions, I do agree they have their right to do as they did. The UofA isn't going to make any student, or athlete stand for the National Anthem, it's a public institution. I think Joe Klein said it correctly.

https://twitter.com/BobHoltADG/status/794563118906998784
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: YC on November 04, 2016, 01:10:36 pm

I wonder how Frank would handle this. I think I know but he is too old to take back the reins.

KENNY HATFIELD FOR AD!!!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 01:17:45 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:04:19 pm
Do you have good seats?

I mentioned the insignicance of my contribution in the big scheme.  That doesn't come with great seats😜😜😜😜
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:19:19 pm
Quote from: IofthaTiger on November 04, 2016, 01:10:36 pm
I wonder how Frank would handle this. I think I know but he is too old to take back the reins.

KENNY HATFIELD FOR AD!!!

One thing about it, Hatfield wouldn't/couldn't pass up an opportunity like this. Of course, he couldn't pass period! Seriously, it's a different time we live in, for better, or for worse, the courts don't like anyone's feelings to be hurt, especially involving a public institution.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:20:13 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 01:17:45 pm
I mentioned the insignicance of my contribution in the big scheme.  That doesn't come with great seats😜😜😜😜

Shoot, I hoped I could move up on the suite wait list. 😕
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 01:29:39 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:08:41 pm
While I don't agree with their actions, I do agree they have their right to do as they did. The UofA isn't going to make any student, or athlete stand for the National Anthem, it's a public institution. I think Joe Klein said it correctly.

https://twitter.com/BobHoltADG/status/794563118906998784

Well, there goes my plans for Corky's BBQ this weekend.  Surprised by Big Joe's position.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: BLUEBLOOD on November 04, 2016, 01:37:35 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:08:41 pm
While I don't agree with their actions, I do agree they have their right to do as they did. The UofA isn't going to make any student, or athlete stand for the National Anthem, it's a public institution. I think Joe Klein said it correctly.

https://twitter.com/BobHoltADG/status/794563118906998784

We can't have a coach telling someone what to "BELIEF" in.  That's for sure!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: OB11 on November 04, 2016, 01:39:00 pm
Would Dykes have been within his rights to send the players back to the locker and not let them play?  If the players have the right not to stand for the anthem wouldn't he be afforded the right to make that decision?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 01:39:07 pm
This is another example of people with socially conservative mindsets getting all riled up over other peoples' actions that have no effect on my life or your life whatsoever.... It's like the gay marriage thing. It does not interfere with my daily life at all. Just like if these people kneel it has no effect on my life. I think its really ignorant too, but I don't get caught up obsessing about other humans behavior on a daily basis. Relax, and don't worry about other peoples' actions that don't effect you and you will be a lot happier on a daily basis. If anything you should be happy since people with your mindsets are paranoid of the government to begin with. Isn't this proving your rights are protected under the constitution? It's women's basketball for goodness sake, I wasn't going to ever watch it to begin with and still won't. You obviously cared like you said you didn't by ranting and making this thread.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 01:51:09 pm
There are so much better things people could be worrying about other than some 20 year old girls making a political statement.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 01:57:26 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 01:51:09 pm
There are so much better things people could be worrying about other than some 20 year old girls making a political statement.

+1
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Big Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:58:33 pm
Quote from: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 01:39:07 pm
This is another example of people with socially conservative mindsets getting all riled up over other peoples' actions that have no effect on my life or your life whatsoever.... It's like the gay marriage thing. It does not interfere with my daily life at all. Just like if these people kneel it has no effect on my life. I think its really ignorant too, but I don't get caught up obsessing about other humans behavior on a daily basis. Relax, and don't worry about other peoples' actions that don't effect you and you will be a lot happier on a daily basis. If anything you should be happy since people with your mindsets are paranoid of the government to begin with. Isn't this proving your rights are protected under the constitution? It's women's basketball for goodness sake, I wasn't going to ever watch it to begin with and still won't. You obviously cared like you said you didn't by ranting and making this thread.
This statement is laced with stupidity...but, consider the source.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 02:16:39 pm
Quote from: BLUEBLOOD on November 04, 2016, 01:37:35 pm
We can't have a coach telling someone what to "BELIEF" in.  That's for sure!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Joe was a great player, but not very bright and this just confirms it...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 02:18:35 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:08:41 pm
While I don't agree with their actions, I do agree they have their right to do as they did. The UofA isn't going to make any student, or athlete stand for the National Anthem, it's a public institution. I think Joe Klein said it correctly.

https://twitter.com/BobHoltADG/status/794563118906998784
It's also a public institution that they are on scholarship in said institution. Jimmy Dykes and Jeff Long are both jokes...and should be given pinks slips today...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 02:22:18 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 01:08:41 pm
While I don't agree with their actions, I do agree they have their right to do as they did. The UofA isn't going to make any student, or athlete stand for the National Anthem, it's a public institution. I think Joe Klein said it correctly.

https://twitter.com/BobHoltADG/status/794563118906998784

Klein's been up where the air is too thin for too long.

What if players start "beliefing" that coming to practice is a form of coach brutality that violates their civil rights?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 02:30:17 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 02:18:35 pm
It's also a public institution that they are on scholarship in said institution. Jimmy Dykes and Jeff Long are both jokes...and should be given pinks slips today...
Hey guy you're silly. There are no requirements in a scholarship or anywhere in any University that requires standing for the National Anthem. Nor are there any requirements for any of the many athletes representing the many countries in the Arkansas Athletic Program.

Why should a coach be fired for this? No coach or athletic director has any say on what nations the students stand for, what religion they adhere or do not adhere to, or their sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:34:08 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 01:51:09 pm
There are so much better things people could be worrying about other than some 20 year old girls making a political statement.
Like?

Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:37:44 pm
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 04, 2016, 11:12:06 am
I called Jeff Long's office to voice my displeasure.  His secretary was very nice, but a little defensive when I told her my biggest beef is that Mr. Long endorsed the action.  She corrected me and said that he did not endorse the action, but supported his student athletes.  Sounds like a well rehearsed script and word smithing.  She then told me she had my phone number and did I want to leave my name, which I did.

I support the players right to have and voice opinions, but they should exercise their right without being in the Razorback uniform. 

Until Long corrects this, my foundation donation (though quite insignificant in the grand scheme) will be withheld.

Kudos to you Maynard. I sent an email myself. It wasn't ugly. It didn't threaten but like these kids on scholarship that liberal America loves to "defend their right to speak up"...those same liberals better be open to my dialogue of speaking up as well. Which it's evident that they not. I am a closed minded, conservative Christian that is scared of freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 02:38:09 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:34:08 pm
Like?
Like how corrupt most politicians are in this country, worrying about getting shot by police, worrying about the rent, worrying about the posters on this board driving vehicles.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 02:40:15 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:37:44 pm
Kudos to you Maynard. I sent an email myself. It wasn't ugly. It didn't threaten but like these kids on scholarship that liberal America loves to "defend their right to speak up"...those same liberals better be open to my dialogue of speaking up as well. Which it's evident that they not. I am a closed minded, conservative Christian that is scared of freedom of speech.
Mhmm.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:43:58 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 02:38:09 pm
Like how corrupt most politicians are in this country, worrying about getting shot by police, worrying about the rent, worrying about the posters on this board driving vehicles.

1. I don't worry about the politicians. I go to work every day because regardless of who is in office, I will go to work and work hard. Some liberal or conservative isn't going to affect me.
2. I don't worry about getting shot at by the police. A. If an officer pulls me over, I comply. B. I don't brand a gun at him. C.  And I don't run. D. Stay out of trouble.
3. I don't rent. I got a big boy mortgage. No need to worry about paying it when I work.

I am disappointed in your response. I figured you would say something like volunteering in the community, the youth group, coaching an upward basketball team with kids on your team of all races, etc. All your "worries" in your eyes are garbage. All I see is placing blame on someone else. Those things listed above, that's what I do to try to make a difference in the community. Not so bad for a racist, hate mongering, socially conservative Christian.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 02:54:36 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 02:22:18 pm
Klein's been up where the air is too thin for too long.

What if players start "beliefing" that coming to practice is a form of coach brutality that violates their civil rights?

I'm sure in your 16,000 posts I could find a spelling/grammar issue. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've corrected you over one, haha. Now, I would imagine that attending practice is a requirement for retaining one's scholarship, I don't think standing for the anthem is. As I've said, I don't agree with their actions, but it's the country we live in these days.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:14:04 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 02:43:58 pm
1. I don't worry about the politicians. I go to work every day because regardless of who is in office, I will go to work and work hard. Some liberal or conservative isn't going to affect me.
2. I don't worry about getting shot at by the police. A. If an officer pulls me over, I comply. B. I don't brand a gun at him. C.  And I don't run. D. Stay out of trouble.
3. I don't rent. I got a big boy mortgage. No need to worry about paying it when I work.

I am disappointed in your response. I figured you would say something like volunteering in the community, the youth group, coaching an upward basketball team with kids on your team of all races, etc. All your "worries" in your eyes are garbage. All I see is placing blame on someone else. Those things listed above, that's what I do to try to make a difference in the community. Not so bad for a racist, hate mongering, socially conservative Christian.
Yeah I make like $8.90 an hour so I can't afford this so called "big boy mortgage". "Volunteering" in the community is something that I literally don't have time to do, and those people probably wouldn't want an atheist Libertarian weed smoking metal head in their churches for these "youth groups".
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 03:16:11 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:14:04 pm
Yeah I make like $8.90 an hour so I can't afford this so called "big boy mortgage". "Volunteering" in the community is something that I literally don't have time to do, and those people probably wouldn't want an atheist Libertarian weed smoking metal head in their churches for these "youth groups".

That's where your problem lies. Churches don't turn down anyone. That's your own internal issue.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 03:18:22 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 02:54:36 pm
I'm sure in your 16,000 posts I could find a spelling/grammar issue. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've corrected you over one, haha. Now, I would imagine that attending practice is a requirement for retaining one's scholarship, I don't think standing for the anthem is. As I've said, I don't agree with their actions, but it's the country we live in these days.

As your post count is slightly ahead of mine, I could say the same about you.  ;)

Regardless of typos or misunderstood spell checks, I don't agree with JK's response.
I don't agree with the coach's response.
I don't agree with the AD's response.
I don't agree with the players choice of "platform" (one of their words) to express their personal beliefs.

I do agree the players have the right to express their beliefs. But to take advantage of their "platform" as U of A athletes to do so is unacceptable. And for those in authority at U of A to sanction their "protest" delivery method is disappointing.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 03:23:04 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 03:18:22 pm
As your post count is slightly ahead of mine, I could say the same about you.  ;)

Regardless of typos or misunderstood spell checks, I don't agree with JK's response.
I don't agree with the coach's response.
I don't agree with the AD's response.
I don't agree with the players choice of "platform" (one of their words) to express their personal beliefs.

I do agree the players have the right to express their beliefs. But to take advantage of their "platform" as U of A athletes is unacceptable. And for those in authority at U of A to sanction their "protest" delivery method is also unacceptable.

Oh, I quit worrying about my mistakes, lol. Should the Chancellor dismiss every student who doesn't stand for the anthem at all events across the campus? I agree that the only thing they've done is bring attention on their kneeling, and little if any on the "injustices". So, in your mind, they should have removed the scholarship of anyone that kneels?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 03:46:26 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 03:23:04 pm
Oh, I quit worrying about my mistakes, lol. Should the Chancellor dismiss every student who doesn't stand for the anthem at all events across the campus? I agree that the only thing they've done is bring attention on their kneeling, and little if any on the "injustices". So, in your mind, they should have removed the scholarship of anyone that kneels?

An individual student at an event where the anthem is played has more discretion than a student representing the school at the event.  I think as an athlete on scholarship involved in the school athletic event, that athlete is perceived by the general public as representing the university.  In that situation, those student-athletes should be held to a higher standard.

I still don't know if there is a student-athlete code of conduct, but there is an employee handbook:

"As a citizen, you have the right to engage in political activity. However, you must do so on your own time.....You may not use your university title, your affiliation with the university, or the university's name, symbols, property or supplies in political activities....."

http://hr.uark.edu/working/handbook/9-employee-conduct/9-6.php

Removal of scholarship might be draconian for a first offense, but free speech isn't always free of consequences.  Failure to represent the school in a appropriate and acceptable manner while on the school's time should be a situation where there are some sort of consequences. 

Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 03:49:08 pm
Quote from: Big Fan on November 04, 2016, 01:58:33 pm
This statement is laced with stupidity...but, consider the source.

How? Because you don't agree and I was taught to stay out of peoples' personal lives? You sound like a real winner! You know someone has lost an argument when they immediately pull out the you're  stupid card! At least make some valid points against me. It just sounds like you are especially upset and like knowing what is going on in everyone else's personal life.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:51:37 pm
There's still nothing specific about the Anthem. What do you think the coaches are supposed to do for this? I wasn't aware that Nationalism was a requirement to play college athletics.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:55:44 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 03:16:11 pm
That's where your problem lies. Churches don't turn down anyone. That's your own internal issue.
Yeah I'm not a fan of mind control. You couldn't pay me to step foot inside a church.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 04:00:26 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:55:44 pm
Yeah I'm not a fan of mind control. You couldn't pay me to step foot inside a church.

What's atheism? Christians "buy" into beliefs through "mind control". What's the difference in an atheist "buying" into "mind control". What excludes atheism from mind control? Someone had to influence your mind and thought process at some point.

Ok, that's fine if you wouldn't step foot into a church. That's your right.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 04:01:01 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 03:46:26 pm
An individual student at an event where the anthem is played has more discretion than a student representing the school at the event.  I think as an athlete on scholarship involved in the school athletic event, that athlete is perceived by the general public as representing the university.  In that situation, those student-athletes should be held to a higher standard.

I still don't know if there is a student-athlete code of conduct, but there is an employee handbook:

"As a citizen, you have the right to engage in political activity. However, you must do so on your own time...."

http://hr.uark.edu/working/handbook/9-employee-conduct/9-6.php

Removal of scholarship might be draconian for a first offense, but free speech isn't always free of consequences.  Failure to represent the school in a appropriate and acceptable manner while on the school's time should be a situation where there are some sort of consequences.

Well, I'm guessing they don't have the same opinion as you do as to what is "appropriate and acceptable". Good thing you aren't a Hog fan as you would have pulled all the schollies after the Auburn game, lol.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Big Fan on November 04, 2016, 04:31:55 pm
Quote from: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 03:49:08 pm
How? Because you don't agree and I was taught to stay out of peoples' personal lives? You sound like a real winner! You know someone has lost an argument when they immediately pull out the you're  stupid card! At least make some valid points against me. It just sounds like you are especially upset and like knowing what is going on in everyone else's personal life.


Quote from: beach bum on November 04, 2016, 01:39:07 pm
Relax, and don't worry about other peoples' actions that don't effect you and you will be a lot happier on a daily basis.
If you're going to preach it, practice it.  lol
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 04:47:02 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 02:30:17 pm
Hey guy you're silly. There are no requirements in a scholarship or anywhere in any University that requires standing for the National Anthem. Nor are there any requirements for any of the many athletes representing the many countries in the Arkansas Athletic Program.

Why should a coach be fired for this? No coach or athletic director has any say on what nations the students stand for, what religion they adhere or do not adhere to, or their sexual orientation.
lol, there is a code of ethics when you sign a schollie...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 04:48:27 pm
Everyone should watch this...Dykes won't handle it this way because he has no back bone...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWRJvl2TkNk

Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 05:10:45 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 04:47:02 pm
lol, there is a code of ethics when you sign a schollie...

Would you mind printing this for us, I haven't read it, or found it.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:17:00 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 05:10:45 pm
Would you mind printing this for us, I haven't read it, or found it.
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=8 (http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=8) It doesn't mention nationalism or American flags or anthems.

"I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded"-George Carlin
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on November 04, 2016, 05:19:19 pm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/thank-you/
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 05:24:06 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:17:00 pm
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=8 (http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=8) It doesn't mention nationalism or American flags or anthems.

"I'll leave symbols to the symbol-minded"-George Carlin

I'm not sure what a football coaches code of ethics has to do with a recruit signing a s scholarship with the University of Arkansas, but, Ok......
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:26:50 pm
That was the only part of the article I could find that is "for the student athletes". I can't seem to find an official NCAA Code of Ethics
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: nastynice on November 04, 2016, 05:28:22 pm
Don't know where to start , I'm gonna just jump in head first! These people that think they are really making a difference by kneeling have to be the dumbest and laziest people around. First, it has brought nothing but negative attention to those involved and to the issues. It is doing nothing but pushing people like me further and further away from these issues. When you keep doing the same thing over and over but keep getting same results, guess what? You're insane. You want to make a difference, get off your lazy knee and go to work on the issues. Get involved in the community. If they really cared about making positive results, they would've quit after we all saw the negative results this was creating.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:30:16 pm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/pdf/academics/2014-15/handbook.pdf (http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/pdf/academics/2014-15/handbook.pdf) Now I'm reading through this to find it.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: nastynice on November 04, 2016, 05:30:28 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 03:55:44 pm
Yeah I'm not a fan of mind control. You couldn't pay me to step foot inside a church.
Ryan, you must be a gambler. Cause you're taking a big risk.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:31:58 pm
Quote from: nastynice on November 04, 2016, 05:30:28 pm
Ryan, you must be a gambler. Cause you're taking a big risk.
No I only gambled a few times for pennies playing dominos. What risk are we talking about?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Longfellow on November 04, 2016, 05:36:35 pm
I'm surprised this is getting as much attention as it is. I wasn't aware people watched women's basketball. But it is their right as American citizens, so go ahead in my book. White, black, Christian, Muslim, straight, gay, it doesn't matter. If you are an American citizen you have the right to protest. I don't agree with it, but I applaud their use of these freedoms. I don't think it helps anything, but what do I know
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: nastynice on November 04, 2016, 05:46:50 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 05:31:58 pm
No I only gambled a few times for pennies playing dominos. What risk are we talking about?
What if you're right and I'm wrong? What do you gain and what do I lose?
What if I'm right and you're wrong? What do I have to gain and you have to lose?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 04, 2016, 06:04:41 pm
How many of you that are speaking out against these girls have gotten mad at someone who didn't support you carrying guns? Both are equally protected by the constitution.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:12:36 pm
Quote from: nastynice on November 04, 2016, 05:46:50 pm
What if you're right and I'm wrong? What do you gain and what do I lose?
What if I'm right and you're wrong? What do I have to gain and you have to lose?
What if a pepperoni pizza is delicious? Do the bacteria in the cheese get to go to Heaven too?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Longfellow on November 04, 2016, 06:20:06 pm
Quote from: Fred Bird on November 04, 2016, 06:04:41 pm
How many of you that are speaking out against these girls have gotten mad at someone who didn't support you carrying guns? Both are equally protected by the constitution.
Excellent point

Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:12:36 pm
What if a pepperoni pizza is delicious? Do the bacteria in the cheese get to go to Heaven too?
I'm confused. Could you get more in depth? Help us understand
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: kahnny on November 04, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
There's a lot to digest here on a lot of levels.

I personally don't agree with university scholar-athletes making a statement during the national anthem.
What I agree with and disagree with has seldom mattered, but as a born and bred Arkansan, a UA alum and a tax-paying resident, I'm a little embarrassed that this happened here.

There are a couple of points to make, though, and I hope they are not repetitive.

The six girls who kneeled and Ms. Swenson, who expressed support but chose to honor a fallen relative by standing, are listed as sophomores (three) and freshmen (four).
I find it interesting that all three seniors and the lone junior are not listed in the kneeling column.

Don't know what this says, necessarily, but it does lead me to a big question about leadership.
Is the coach letting the tail wag the dog? I think so, absolutely. This is a team game. When you take the floor wearing a uniform, you are taught, trained, expected to do things together.
This is not a unified event. I would suggest that if the coach stands behind his players 100 percent that he might ought to kneel, too.

I think he is either not fully supportive by not kneeling or hypocritical by kneeling.
He can't win. And this is not a subject to be playing the middle.
In short, there is no middle. It's a must, in my humble opinion, to represent your team as a unit and to represent your university and this state in the best light possible.

To kneel while wearing uniforms that say ARKANSAS and RAZORBACKS makes this reprehensible. And the coach himself once wore that uniform.
Does he really believe he is leading these girls in the right direction? Is there not any other way to call attention to their views?

They've called attention to themselves and their reason for protest is totally forgotten by many of us.

I feel bad that I feel this way. I can't fix what's wrong, but I feel somewhat condemned by this group of girls who are walking the same grounds I walked before them.
Is that what these girls meant to do? Hurt our feelings because it is in our very being to want to stand up and give our country two minutes of acknowledgement before a game?

I don't want anybody's head for this or anything like that. I just don't want this attention on us.

I couldn't put it into words how I felt until I read this. This sums it up well:

Whippersnapper says... November 4, 2016 at 8:45 a.m.
Stand, sit, kneel, whatever. Simply realize that you will be judged by the choices you make and the actions you take. You want to protest the national anthem? That's fine, as long as you are willing to alienate 2/3 of your fellow countrymen by doing so. You think that this won't close doors of opportunity for you in the future? The internet forgets nothing (just ask Hillary) and every employer you apply at these days is googling your name. You just shut down 1/2-2/3 of your potential future career opportunities as businesses run by conservatives (or just by folks who don't want to risk employees who make waves) dump your resume upon receipt. Let us know how that works out for you in thirty years.

Dykes did these girls a grave disservice by not giving them better leadership with some simple advice: When you step on the field of play, you're a Razorback. Your duty is to represent the Razorbacks and the state of Arkansas to the best of your abilities.
This act to open the season totally missed the mark.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:28:58 pm
I'm surprised the mods haven't banned me yet lol. I almost expected it.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 06:31:30 pm
Quote from: Romeo on November 04, 2016, 05:19:19 pm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/thank-you/

That video done 11/11/15 was impressive.
His statement on 11/03/16 was not.
What happened that caused the 180? 
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 06:35:53 pm
Quote from: kahnny on November 04, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
There's a lot to digest here on a lot of levels.

I personally don't agree with university scholar-athletes making a statement during the national anthem.
What I agree with and disagree with has seldom mattered, but as a born and bred Arkansan, a UA alum and a tax-paying resident, I'm a little embarrassed that this happened here.

There are a couple of points to make, though, and I hope they are not repetitive.

The six girls who kneeled and Ms. Swenson, who expressed support but chose to honor a fallen relative by standing, are listed as sophomores (three) and freshmen (four).
I find it interesting that all three seniors and the lone junior are not listed in the kneeling column.

Don't know what this says, necessarily, but it does lead me to a big question about leadership.
Is the coach letting the tail wag the dog? I think so, absolutely. This is a team game. When you take the floor wearing a uniform, you are taught, trained, expected to do things together.
This is not a unified event. I would suggest that if the coach stands behind his players 100 percent that he might ought to kneel, too.

I think he is either not fully supportive by not kneeling or a Christian by kneeling.
He can't win. And this is not a subject to be playing the middle.
In short, there is no middle. It's a must, in my humble opinion, to represent your team as a unit and to represent your university and this state in the best light possible.

To kneel while wearing uniforms that say ARKANSAS and RAZORBACKS makes this reprehensible. And the coach himself once wore that uniform.
Does he really believe he is leading these girls in the right direction? Is there not any other way to call attention to their views?

They've called attention to themselves and their reason for protest is totally forgotten by many of us.

I feel bad that I feel this way. I can't fix what's wrong, but I feel somewhat condemned by this group of girls who are walking the same grounds I walked before them.
Is that what these girls meant to do? Hurt our feelings because it is in our very being to want to stand up and give our country two minutes of acknowledgement before a game?

I don't want anybody's head for this or anything like that. I just don't want this attention on us.

I couldn't put it into words how I felt until I read this. This sums it up well:

Whippersnapper says... November 4, 2016 at 8:45 a.m.
Stand, sit, kneel, whatever. Simply realize that you will be judged by the choices you make and the actions you take. You want to protest the national anthem? That's fine, as long as you are willing to alienate 2/3 of your fellow countrymen by doing so. You think that this won't close doors of opportunity for you in the future? The internet forgets nothing (just ask Hillary) and every employer you apply at these days is googling your name. You just shut down 1/2-2/3 of your potential future career opportunities as businesses run by conservatives (or just by folks who don't want to risk employees who make waves) dump your resume upon receipt. Let us know how that works out for you in thirty years.

Dykes did these girls a grave disservice by not giving them better leadership with some simple advice: When you step on the field of play, you're a Razorback. Your duty is to represent the Razorbacks and the state of Arkansas to the best of your abilities.
This act to open the season totally missed the mark.


+1 for your first post.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:42:23 pm
So are you telling me that employers are going to not hire people based on taking a knee?

There's like 12 people at their games. The fans don't support Women's Basketball. Nobody ever hears about them or talks about them until something like this happens. Which is more offensive taking the knee or a hard flagrant foul? To me it's the flagrant.

I got kicked out of class MULTIPLE times for refusing to sing the national anthem, I would use the original Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God". You telling me that's why I can't get a job now? Now it all makes sense.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 06:42:59 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 04:01:01 pm
Well, I'm guessing they don't have the same opinion as you do as to what is "appropriate and acceptable". Good thing you aren't a Hog fan as you would have pulled all the schollies after the Auburn game, lol.

The administration definitely doesn't see the the actions of these six representatives of the university as I would.

As far as the Auburn game, at least they acted as a team.  Plus there may have been some consequences administered by their coaches during subsequent practices with the goal to insure future performance is more acceptable.  ;D
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 06:43:21 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:28:58 pm
I'm surprised the mods haven't banned me yet lol. I almost expected it.

Why, you're just practicing free speech?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:42:23 pm
So are you telling me that employers are going to not hire people based on taking a knee?

There's like 12 people at their games. The fans don't support Women's Basketball. Nobody ever hears about them or talks about them until something like this happens. Which is more offensive taking the knee or a hard flagrant foul? To me it's the flagrant.

I got kicked out of class MULTIPLE times for refusing to sing the national anthem, I would use the original Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God". You telling me that's why I can't get a job now? Now it all makes sense.

Well you're an adult making 8.50 an hour.

I would say your choices in life haven't been the best, starting with your ignorance and getting kicked out of class at an early age. No wonder you don't recognize disrespect. You must have had some real leaders and examples in your life.

Looks like you lazze fair, hatred of Christianity has propelled you far.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 07:01:50 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 06:42:59 pm
The administration definitely doesn't see the the actions of these six representatives of the university as I would.

As far as the Auburn game, at least they acted as a team.  Plus there may have been some consequences administered by their coaches during subsequent practices with the goal to insure future performance is more acceptable.  ;D

We certainly hope so! I don't like what they did, but I believe they have the right to do it.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on November 04, 2016, 09:31:38 pm
+1 AW
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:37:04 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 05:10:45 pm
Would you mind printing this for us, I haven't read it, or found it.
It would matter if I printed or pasted the whole code of conduct at the UofA and it said they have to abide by certain rules you would pay it no mind Rice...lol...you just like to argue...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:45:12 pm
Everyone has made some good points, and everyone has the right to believe the way they believe...I get that...But I don't believe that kneeling falls under the right to free speech. Cause really folks, kneeling is not talking. But exactly what were these girls protesting? Black Lives matter? In Fayetteville Arkansas? lol...this is rich...they had NO crowd to display this in front of, no real reason. I'm pretty sure not one of these girls have been oppressed in their young lives. This was nothing more than a STUPID stunt for attention...nothing more and nothing less...And Jimmy Dykes and Jeff Long are just stupid enough to let it ride with stupid statements. I am surprised that Jeff or Jimmy can stand upright these days with as little backbone as they have...lol...

When I called the UofA athletic department today and spoke with the Secretary she was very nice when I told her why I was calling. I ask her if there was a possibility if Jeff Long would call me back. She said he might and I said how far back in line am I and I laughed...she paused for a moment and said, "pretty far back" and then she laughed. They have been inundated with calls all day...I think it's great! ;D
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:53:36 pm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/pdf/academics/2014-15/handbook.pdf

Starts at page 27...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 10:06:29 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:37:04 pm
It would matter if I printed or pasted the whole code of conduct at the UofA and it said they have to abide by certain rules you would pay it no mind Rice...lol...you just like to argue...

Like to argue?? And I guess you are Miss Congenitalltly, lol. I hadn't read that, I still don't think anything will happen from this, it's a one time news cycle deal, much like Kapernick was.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 10:15:32 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 04, 2016, 09:53:36 pm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/pdf/academics/2014-15/handbook.pdf

Starts at page 27...

"As a student-athlete at the University of Arkansas, you are a public figure often subject to much scrutiny by the public.  As such, you are responsible for representing the University in the most positive way.  Your behavior must be exemplary at all times and meet the expectations of your teammates, coaches, the University, and the public at large."
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 10:23:28 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 10:15:32 pm
"As a student-athlete at the University of Arkansas, you are a public figure often subject to much scrutiny by the public.  As such, you are responsible for representing the University in the most positive way.  Your behavior must be exemplary at all times and meet the expectations of your teammates, coaches, the University, and the public at large."

So, you'd pull their scholarships?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 10:29:54 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 04, 2016, 10:23:28 pm
So, you'd pull their scholarships?

Disciplinary procedures are listed on page 37 of CVS's link.  They include temporary suspension or reprimand.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 07:18:35 am
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 10:29:54 pm
Disciplinary procedures are listed on page 37 of CVS's link.  They include temporary suspension or reprimand.

Facts don't mean alot to some on here...they just want to see it their way. Listen, everyone has opinions and are entitled to how they believe. However, if Jeff Long and Dummy Dykes wanted to do something there is an avenue they can follow. They just don't have any backbone to do it. Make no mistake about it, this WILL effect Dykes more than Long. Dykes will take the most heat especially if he doesn't win. What is going to be interesting is if the men's team does this. If they do I will have lost what little respect I had for Mike...
Another thing, Maynard G. Krebbs and myself calling Jeff Long doesn't mean anything...but if a major donor makes a call and pulls support something will happen...they are just very lucky that Maynard and myself aren't Billionaire donors to the Hogs because Dykes would have been shown the door yesterday...lol...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: nastynice on November 05, 2016, 07:39:34 am
Quote from: Fred Bird on November 04, 2016, 06:04:41 pm
How many of you that are speaking out against these girls have gotten mad at someone who didn't support you carrying guns? Both are equally protected by the constitution.
Not the point we're trying to make. We're not arguing about the constitution, we're arguing about right vs wrong and common sense. You don't create unity by make making more division. Anyone with any sense knows you don't solve a problem by creating bigger problems. It will never end because those that supposedly feel oppressed don't want it to end.
You have to want to solve a problem to get it solved.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 08:36:06 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 07:18:35 am
Facts don't mean alot to some on here...they just want to see it their way. Listen, everyone has opinions and are entitled to how they believe. However, if Jeff Long and Dummy Dykes wanted to do something there is an avenue they can follow. They just don't have any backbone to do it. Make no mistake about it, this WILL effect Dykes more than Long. Dykes will take the most heat especially if he doesn't win. What is going to be interesting is if the men's team does this. If they do I will have lost what little respect I had for Mike...
Another thing, Maynard G. Krebbs and myself calling Jeff Long doesn't mean anything...but if a major donor makes a call and pulls support something will happen...they are just very lucky that Maynard and myself aren't Billionaire donors to the Hogs because Dykes would have been shown the door yesterday...lol...

The fact is the Chancellor, AD, and head coach have shown through their statements, that these ladies haven't violated any conduct code, that's the only facts. You and I may not like it, but they've only violated the code in your eyes. Opinion isn't fact.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 08:51:28 am
Quote from: nastynice on November 05, 2016, 07:39:34 am
Not the point we're trying to make. We're not arguing about the constitution, we're arguing about right vs wrong and common sense. You don't create unity by make making more division. Anyone with any sense knows you don't solve a problem by creating bigger problems. It will never end because those that supposedly feel oppressed don't want it to end.
You have to want to solve a problem to get it solved.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 09:08:34 am
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 08:36:06 am
The fact is the Chancellor, AD, and head coach have shown through their statements, that these ladies haven't violated any conduct code, that's the only facts. You and I may not like it, but they've only violated the code in your eyes. Opinion isn't fact.

Rice, it seems to be the AD's opinion that is the fact wagging the dog.

The protest political action didn't meet the expectations of the team as they didn't all participate.
While he has waffled since then for some reason, the expectations of the coach (as illustrated in the 11/11/15 video linked posted by Romeo in post #54) were not met.
It would appear the expectations of the vast majority of the public at large have not been met.

Three out of four ain't bad.  But one out of four is the world we live in today.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 09:25:30 am
Quote from: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 09:08:34 am
Rice, it seems to be the AD's opinion that is the fact wagging the dog.

The protest political action didn't meet the expectations of the team as they didn't all participate.
While he has waffled since then for some reason, the expectations of the coach (as illustrated in the 11/11/15 video linked posted by Romeo in post #54) were not met.
It would appear the expectations of the vast majority of the public at large have not been met.

Three out of four ain't bad.  But one out of four is the world we live in today.

The Chancellor waffled? I guess I failed to read his other statements on this. Again, they've not violated the code, so I guess it's a moot point.

The players have their right to kneel, that's what we fought and have won battles for, it doesn't mean we have to like it. The coach can adjust playing time as he sees fit, he's left girls behind at home(Rutgers last year), so he'll have to do as he sees what's best for his team.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: chaoslord on November 05, 2016, 09:40:26 am
EDIT: Have thought better about trying to get involved in a discussion about this
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 10:48:28 am
Quote from: chaoslord on November 05, 2016, 09:40:26 am
EDIT: Have thought better about trying to get involved in a discussion about this

Good choice.

It will turn into blacks vs whites and liberals vs conservative.

Never mind right Vs wrong.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: NEA Razorback olfan on November 05, 2016, 07:35:39 pm
Besides getting attention, mainly as unpatriotic U of A players, what is their plans to make a real change?  I believe every American has their right to protest in a repectful manor. Peeing on the graves who gave their life for this Nation is not one of them.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 07:38:21 pm
Quote from: NEA Razorback olfan on November 05, 2016, 07:35:39 pm
Besides getting attention, mainly as unpatriotic U of A players, what is their plans to make a real change?  I believe every American has their right to protest in a repectful manor. Peeing on the graves who gave their life for this Nation is not one of them.

That generation of youth behind me had one goal in life. Become a social media firestorm through "making a statement".

Then finishing college with a bachelor in underwater basket weaving and moving back in with momma and daddy for 15 years.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 05, 2016, 07:52:51 pm
Quote from: kahnny on November 04, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
There's a lot to digest here on a lot of levels.

I personally don't agree with university scholar-athletes making a statement during the national anthem.
What I agree with and disagree with has seldom mattered, but as a born and bred Arkansan, a UA alum and a tax-paying resident, I'm a little embarrassed that this happened here.

There are a couple of points to make, though, and I hope they are not repetitive.

The six girls who kneeled and Ms. Swenson, who expressed support but chose to honor a fallen relative by standing, are listed as sophomores (three) and freshmen (four).
I find it interesting that all three seniors and the lone junior are not listed in the kneeling column.

Don't know what this says, necessarily, but it does lead me to a big question about leadership.
Is the coach letting the tail wag the dog? I think so, absolutely. This is a team game. When you take the floor wearing a uniform, you are taught, trained, expected to do things together.
This is not a unified event. I would suggest that if the coach stands behind his players 100 percent that he might ought to kneel, too.

I think he is either not fully supportive by not kneeling or hypocritical by kneeling.
He can't win. And this is not a subject to be playing the middle.
In short, there is no middle. It's a must, in my humble opinion, to represent your team as a unit and to represent your university and this state in the best light possible.

To kneel while wearing uniforms that say ARKANSAS and RAZORBACKS makes this reprehensible. And the coach himself once wore that uniform.
Does he really believe he is leading these girls in the right direction? Is there not any other way to call attention to their views?

They've called attention to themselves and their reason for protest is totally forgotten by many of us.

I feel bad that I feel this way. I can't fix what's wrong, but I feel somewhat condemned by this group of girls who are walking the same grounds I walked before them.
Is that what these girls meant to do? Hurt our feelings because it is in our very being to want to stand up and give our country two minutes of acknowledgement before a game?

I don't want anybody's head for this or anything like that. I just don't want this attention on us.

I couldn't put it into words how I felt until I read this. This sums it up well:

Whippersnapper says... November 4, 2016 at 8:45 a.m.
Stand, sit, kneel, whatever. Simply realize that you will be judged by the choices you make and the actions you take. You want to protest the national anthem? That's fine, as long as you are willing to alienate 2/3 of your fellow countrymen by doing so. You think that this won't close doors of opportunity for you in the future? The internet forgets nothing (just ask Hillary) and every employer you apply at these days is googling your name. You just shut down 1/2-2/3 of your potential future career opportunities as businesses run by conservatives (or just by folks who don't want to risk employees who make waves) dump your resume upon receipt. Let us know how that works out for you in thirty years.

Dykes did these girls a grave disservice by not giving them better leadership with some simple advice: When you step on the field of play, you're a Razorback. Your duty is to represent the Razorbacks and the state of Arkansas to the best of your abilities.
This act to open the season totally missed the mark.

Really good post. And welcome to Fearless...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 08:03:15 pm
Really proud of coach Mike Anderson and his team during exhibition game. He stood for the anthem and his kids followed suit. Protest your beliefs on your own time. But when you have the opportunity to represent your state, your school, and your country in unity in a time where our country is vulnerable, do it. It shows unity not division.

Kudos men's basketball team.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 05, 2016, 08:32:52 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 08:03:15 pm
Really proud of coach Mike Anderson and his team during exhibition game. He stood for the anthem and his kids followed suit. Protest your beliefs on your own time. But when you have the opportunity to represent your state, your school, and your country in unity in a time where our country is vulnerable, do it. It shows unity not division.

Kudos men's basketball team.

I have always thought MA as a good man to lead young men and have always wanted him to succeed because the person he is. You can tell he came from humble roots. I believe he probably had a heart to heart with his players and said what you just said. I imagine he said not to do this in the Hog uniform. MA is perfect to not only lead young black men, but all young men.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 10:10:23 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on November 05, 2016, 08:03:15 pm
Really proud of coach Mike Anderson and his team during exhibition game. He stood for the anthem and his kids followed suit. Protest your beliefs on your own time. But when you have the opportunity to represent your state, your school, and your country in unity in a time where our country is vulnerable, do it. It shows unity not division.

Kudos men's basketball team.

Quote from: beach bum on November 05, 2016, 08:32:52 pm
I have always thought MA as a good man to lead young men and have always wanted him to succeed because the person he is. You can tell he came from humble roots. I believe he probably had a heart to heart with his players and said what you just said. I imagine he said not to do this in the Hog uniform. MA is perfect to not only lead young black men, but all young men.

+1 to the men's basketball team. 

I'm not sure if they met the expectations of the University, but they met the expectations of their teammates, coaches and the public at large.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 10:29:23 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 09:25:30 am
The Chancellor waffled? I guess I failed to read his other statements on this. Again, they've not violated the code, so I guess it's a moot point.

The players have their right to kneel, that's what we fought and have won battles for, it doesn't mean we have to like it. The coach can adjust playing time as he sees fit, he's left girls behind at home(Rutgers last year), so he'll have to do as he sees what's best for his team.

I never saw the Chancellor's statement.  The Coach is the one who crawfished.  He went from a very passionate video on Veteran's Day of 2015 that clearly indicated his expectations of his players, to a statement that these young women pretty much have carte blanche to express political beliefs while on the University's time.  My guess is he was following his boss' instructions on how the incident should be handled.

I agree with you that the players have the right to express their political opinions.  I disagree that their doing so while they are involved in a game was exemplary behavior and met the expectations of their teammates, coaches, the University, and the public at large.

When is the next game?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 10:29:59 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 08:36:06 am
The fact is the Chancellor, AD, and head coach have shown through their statements, that these ladies haven't violated any conduct code, that's the only facts. You and I may not like it, but they've only violated the code in your eyes. Opinion isn't fact.
No, that's your opinion and Long and Dykes...not the majority...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 10:40:40 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 10:29:59 pm
No, that's your opinion and Long and Dykes...not the majority...

Oh, Ok, glad you straightened that out, lol.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 10:41:55 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 10:29:23 pm
I never saw the Chancellor's statement.  The Coach is the one who crawfished.  He went from a very passionate video on Veteran's Day of 2015 that clearly indicated his expectations of his players, to a statement that these young women pretty much have carte blanche to express political beliefs while on the University's time.  My guess is he was following his boss's suggestion on how the incident should be handled.

I agree with you that the players have the right to express their political opinions.  I disagree that their doing so while they are involved in a game was exemplary behavior and meet the expectations of their teammates, coaches, the University, and the public at large.

When is the next game?

I believe it's a 10:00 AM game on Veterans Day, interesting, huh?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on November 05, 2016, 10:44:51 pm
Quote from: RyanLR on November 04, 2016, 06:42:23 pm
So are you telling me that employers are going to not hire people based on taking a knee?

There's like 12 people at their games. The fans don't support Women's Basketball. Nobody ever hears about them or talks about them until something like this happens. Which is more offensive taking the knee or a hard flagrant foul? To me it's the flagrant.

I got kicked out of class MULTIPLE times for refusing to sing the national anthem, I would use the original Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God". You telling me that's why I can't get a job now? Now it all makes sense.
i would never go watch them now.more offensive to me taking the knee
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 10:46:07 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 10:41:55 pm
I believe it's a 10:00 AM game on Veterans Day, interesting, huh?

Very much so.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 10:50:56 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 10:40:40 pm
Oh, Ok, glad you straightened that out, lol.
Lol...not my fault that Dykes and Long have no back bone and will not even hold up the UofA code of ethics...other coaches across the country are...sorry you don't get it Rice, maybe one day you will...but I doubt you do...you are too hard headed, and too much of a Jeff Long supporter...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 11:09:48 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 10:50:56 pm
Lol...not my fault that Dykes and Long have no back bone and will not even hold up the UofA code of ethics...other coaches across the country are...sorry you don't get it Rice, maybe one day you will...but I doubt you do...you are too hard headed, and too much of a Jeff Long supporter...

When veterans in my family tell me that these players have the right to do as they wish during the anthem, then I take their word on it. They are the ones that sacrificed in my family for these rights. I'm not in a position to tell others what they can or can't do, I didn't serve, did you? I may not like it, but I understand they have the right to do it.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on November 05, 2016, 11:14:00 pm
Quote from: nastynice on November 05, 2016, 07:39:34 am
Not the point we're trying to make. We're not arguing about the constitution, we're arguing about right vs wrong and common sense. You don't create unity by make making more division. Anyone with any sense knows you don't solve a problem by creating bigger problems. It will never end because those that supposedly feel oppressed don't want it to end.
You have to want to solve a problem to get it solved.
+1
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 11:09:48 pm
When veterans in my family tell me that these players have the right to do as they wish during the anthem, then I take their word on it. They are the ones that sacrificed in my family for these rights. I'm not in a position to tell others what they can or can't do, I didn't serve, did you? I may not like it, but I understand they have the right to do it.
Oh, I see now, your family members told you...well that settles it...problem solved...I did not serve, have family members in the service and my Dad served...and no, they thought it was wrong and disgusting...and regardless there is a code of ethics, I printed it for you as you requested and like I said before I did you would dispute it...We just need to agree to disagree because I think I am right and you think you are right...but I have alot more believe the way I do than you...haha...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 11:25:44 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
Oh, I see now, your family members told you...well that settles it...problem solved...I did not serve, have family members in the service and my Dad served...and no, they thought it was wrong and disgusting...and regardless there is a code of ethics, I printed it for you as you requested and like I said before I did you would dispute it...We just need to agree to disagree because I think I am right and you think you are right...but I have alot more believe the way I do than you...haha...

And, there is no one in the administration of this school saying this code was violated, correct? I suspect it won't happen again, but who knows???
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on November 05, 2016, 11:30:38 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
Oh, I see now, your family members told you...well that settles it...problem solved...I did not serve, have family members in the service and my Dad served...and no, they thought it was wrong and disgusting...and regardless there is a code of ethics, I printed it for you as you requested and like I said before I did you would dispute it...We just need to agree to disagree because I think I am right and you think you are right...but I have alot more believe the way I do than you...haha...
one here believe's the way you do that's for sure
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 05, 2016, 11:40:31 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 05, 2016, 11:25:44 pm
And, there is no one in the administration of this school saying this code was violated, correct? I suspect it won't happen again, but who knows???
Exactly...and there lies the problem...lol...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 11:53:07 pm
I wouldn't think this would be considered a scientific poll in any way, but over 64,000 of the public at large have expressed an opinion.

(http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx68/bleudog71730/kark%20poll_zpsaax5ifuk.jpg) (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/bleudog71730/media/kark%20poll_zpsaax5ifuk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 06, 2016, 08:46:47 am
Quote from: bleudog on November 05, 2016, 11:53:07 pm
I wouldn't think this would be considered a scientific poll in any way, but over 64,000 of the public at large have expressed an opinion.

(http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx68/bleudog71730/kark%20poll_zpsaax5ifuk.jpg) (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/bleudog71730/media/kark%20poll_zpsaax5ifuk.jpg.html)
+1 Bleudog, people can believe what they want. Women's basketball was struggling to get fans and really struggling at the gate...this IS NOT and CANNOT help their cause...and it will be felt...now MA on the other hand helped his cause...Kudos to him and the team...
Regardless of what a very few say Long and Dykes have an avenue to head this off and if they don't, then they care very little about the fans...
I am interested to see what happens at the next home game...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: NEA Razorback olfan on November 06, 2016, 09:38:16 am
My question is , what are these young women actually going to do to make a real change??
Imo
Unfortunately we let msm media dictate our mindset with their propaganda agenda!!


Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 06, 2016, 10:16:15 am
Quote from: NEA Razorback olfan on November 06, 2016, 09:38:16 am
My question is , what are these young women actually going to do to make a real change??
Imo
Unfortunately we let msm media dictate our mindset with their propaganda agenda!!

I would imagine nothing of substance.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 06, 2016, 04:44:07 pm
http://amppob.com/shell-take-knee-come-time-razorbacks-coachs-raise-state-rep-vows/
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 06, 2016, 04:56:43 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 06, 2016, 04:44:07 pm
http://amppob.com/shell-take-knee-come-time-razorbacks-coachs-raise-state-rep-vows/
Seems like everyone gets it but Long and Dykes and a handful of other people. I have said all along that Long and Dykes have avenues they can take to stop this...heck, other Universities are. As usual the UofA is lagging behind in this as well as everything else...Bye Jeff...Bye Jimmy...nobody cares anyway...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Head Lion on November 06, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
Quote from: kahnny on November 04, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
There's a lot to digest here on a lot of levels.

I personally don't agree with university scholar-athletes making a statement during the national anthem.
What I agree with and disagree with has seldom mattered, but as a born and bred Arkansan, a UA alum and a tax-paying resident, I'm a little embarrassed that this happened here.

There are a couple of points to make, though, and I hope they are not repetitive.

The six girls who kneeled and Ms. Swenson, who expressed support but chose to honor a fallen relative by standing, are listed as sophomores (three) and freshmen (four).
I find it interesting that all three seniors and the lone junior are not listed in the kneeling column.

Don't know what this says, necessarily, but it does lead me to a big question about leadership.
Is the coach letting the tail wag the dog? I think so, absolutely. This is a team game. When you take the floor wearing a uniform, you are taught, trained, expected to do things together.
This is not a unified event. I would suggest that if the coach stands behind his players 100 percent that he might ought to kneel, too.

I think he is either not fully supportive by not kneeling or hypocritical by kneeling.
He can't win. And this is not a subject to be playing the middle.
In short, there is no middle. It's a must, in my humble opinion, to represent your team as a unit and to represent your university and this state in the best light possible.

To kneel while wearing uniforms that say ARKANSAS and RAZORBACKS makes this reprehensible. And the coach himself once wore that uniform.
Does he really believe he is leading these girls in the right direction? Is there not any other way to call attention to their views?

They've called attention to themselves and their reason for protest is totally forgotten by many of us.

I feel bad that I feel this way. I can't fix what's wrong, but I feel somewhat condemned by this group of girls who are walking the same grounds I walked before them.
Is that what these girls meant to do? Hurt our feelings because it is in our very being to want to stand up and give our country two minutes of acknowledgement before a game?

I don't want anybody's head for this or anything like that. I just don't want this attention on us.

I couldn't put it into words how I felt until I read this. This sums it up well:

Whippersnapper says... November 4, 2016 at 8:45 a.m.
Stand, sit, kneel, whatever. Simply realize that you will be judged by the choices you make and the actions you take. You want to protest the national anthem? That's fine, as long as you are willing to alienate 2/3 of your fellow countrymen by doing so. You think that this won't close doors of opportunity for you in the future? The internet forgets nothing (just ask Hillary) and every employer you apply at these days is googling your name. You just shut down 1/2-2/3 of your potential future career opportunities as businesses run by conservatives (or just by folks who don't want to risk employees who make waves) dump your resume upon receipt. Let us know how that works out for you in thirty years.

Dykes did these girls a grave disservice by not giving them better leadership with some simple advice: When you step on the field of play, you're a Razorback. Your duty is to represent the Razorbacks and the state of Arkansas to the best of your abilities.
This act to open the season totally missed the mark.
+1, everyone has a first amendment right. I believe you lose those when you represent a state aid college using MY tax dollars, you forfeit some of those rights when representing it. I know as a federal employee and lose some of my rights while at my job. The Hatch Act prevents me from campaigning at work, does that not violate my first amendment. No!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 06, 2016, 05:51:48 pm
Quote from: Head Lion on November 06, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
+1, everyone has a first amendment right. I believe you lose those when you represent a state aid college using MY tax dollars, you forfeit some of those rights when representing it. I know as a federal employee and lose some of my rights while at my job. The Hatch Act prevents me from campaigning at work, does that not violate my first amendment. No!
Wow, +1...that is a very interesting point...well done sir!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: BrianfromCarlisle on November 06, 2016, 05:56:40 pm
My problem with the protest is this: (just my opinion of course)

The protest is supposedly against the Government for turning a blind eye to police brutality and equality toward minorities. Well, that Flag represents the PEOPLE of the United States, and the men and women that DIED for all of our freedoms. Not the government.

Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 06, 2016, 07:03:37 pm
Quote from: Head Lion on November 06, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
+1, everyone has a first amendment right. I believe you lose those when you represent a state aid college using MY tax dollars, you forfeit some of those rights when representing it. I know as a federal employee and lose some of my rights while at my job. The Hatch Act prevents me from campaigning at work, does that not violate my first amendment. No!

I grew up in a household where the political activities of my father were limited by the Hatch Act.  Most of the time he loved it because it gave him a polite way to decline to put somebody's sign in his yard when somebody he didn't plan on voting for asked him to display one.  ;D

Even without the Hatch Act, most employers (including the U of A) limit the political activity of its employees. 

My employer has casual Friday.  We're allowed and even encouraged to support schools and their athletic teams by wearing shirts with school logos. 

But there are limits to casual Friday.  If I were to come to work wearing a "Vote for Hillary" or "Vote for Trump" or "Vote Yes on Amendment _" or "Black Lives Matter" or "White Lives Matter" or ANYTHING political, my supervisor would instruct me to go back home and change my shirt.  If I insisted I had a constitutional right to wear a political shirt to work and refused to honor my supervisor's instructions, my office would soon cease to be my office.  I have no problem with this because I understand I at times represent my employer and we both have a vested interest in my employer's success.

What is any school teaching student-athletes when the school encourages student-athletes to conduct themselves in a manner that could get those student-athletes reprimanded, if not terminated, in the real world (the NFL excepted)?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 06, 2016, 07:10:24 pm
Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on November 06, 2016, 05:56:40 pm
My problem with the protest is this: (just my opinion of course)

The protest is supposedly against the Government for turning a blind eye to police brutality and equality toward minorities. Well, that Flag represents the PEOPLE of the United States, and the men and women that DIED for all of our freedoms. Not the government.
This right here.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on November 07, 2016, 02:05:29 pm
Quote from: bleudog on November 04, 2016, 06:31:30 pm
That video done 11/11/15 was impressive.
His statement on 11/03/16 was not.
What happened that caused the 180? 

I don't think he changed his stance on the national anthem. I don't believe it was a decision he took lightly. As he said, he had several conversations with the players before this happened. Unlike most fans, I follow the women's team and I know that the players that kneeled were talking on social media about various incidents before Kolin Kaepernick chose to kneel. This was something that was fueled up for months.

Overall, I wouldn't wanted to have traded shoes with JD this week. He really had a lot to consider. It was a lose-lose situation regardless, but I think it would have done more harm to the university if he had chosen to suspend or dismiss the players. As far as I know, no one on the college or pro level has yet to be actually punished by their team for kneeling, not even Kaepernick. He disagrees with their method but supports their decision, its a local news incident where you have fans outraged. He disagrees and kicks them off the team, now its a national incident where you'll probably have every news outlet covering it. And you know what the headline is going to say... "Six black players dismissed from the team for kneeling during anthem." That would be a situation that wouldn't just affect the women's program, but the other programs as well, especially in recruiting.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 07, 2016, 02:37:20 pm
Quote from: Romeo on November 07, 2016, 02:05:29 pm
I don't think he changed his stance on the national anthem. I don't believe it was a decision he took lightly. As he said, he had several conversations with the players before this happened. Unlike most fans, I follow the women's team and I know that the players that kneeled were talking on social media about various incidents before Kolin Kaepernick chose to kneel. This was something that was fueled up for months.

Overall, I wouldn't wanted to have traded shoes with JD this week. He really had a lot to consider. It was a lose-lose situation regardless, but I think it would have done more harm to the university if he had chosen to suspend or dismiss the players. As far as I know, no one on the college or pro level has yet to be actually punished by their team for kneeling, not even Kaepernick. He disagrees with their method but supports their decision, its a local news incident where you have fans outraged. He disagrees and kicks them off the team, now its a national incident where you'll probably have every news outlet covering it. And you know what the headline is going to say... "Six black players dismissed from the team for kneeling during anthem." That would be a situation that wouldn't just affect the women's program, but the other programs as well, especially in recruiting.

+1 on this side of the argument.... Your second paragraph really touched on how ugly it could have gotten nationally had we been the first major university or pro level team to kick people off or suspend them. This just really is a delicate issue. The thing is that it will all blow over eventually. It will cycle away just like other issues cycle away. I wouldn't want to be Long either as it's a lose/lose situation definitely.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 10:35:24 am
http://amppob.com/shell-take-knee-come-time-razorbacks-coachs-raise-state-rep-vows/
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 10:48:36 am
http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/fox-24/arkansas-legislators-place-hold-on-ua-funding-after-womens-basketball-protest
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 11:00:13 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 10:48:36 am
http://www.nwahomepage.com/news/fox-24/arkansas-legislators-place-hold-on-ua-funding-after-womens-basketball-protest

Makes sense to punish every student, lol. Also, you can't cut women's funding, Title IX.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on November 09, 2016, 11:24:24 am
The athletic programs don't take any state funds. The only people they'll be hurting are the UA students.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 12:06:09 pm
Read the article...it is a move to get someone from the UofA to respond and talk to the Legislature about what happened. I like the fact that they are holding the Admin. accountable...maybe this will get their attention. Somebody needs to...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 12:09:13 pm
Also Scott Varady said that they have received multiple calls from donors and one has already left...

Nice move by our leaders at the UofA...but the problem is easily solved...Fire Dykes and Fire Long...that should get some attention... ;D
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 12:54:37 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 12:09:13 pm
Also Scott Varady said that they have received multiple calls from donors and one has already left...

Nice move by our leaders at the UofA...but the problem is easily solved...Fire Dykes and Fire Long...that should get some attention... ;D

Yeah, Maynard G Krebs already said he was the caller, lol.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 12:56:42 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 12:06:09 pm
Read the article...it is a move to get someone from the UofA to respond and talk to the Legislature about what happened. I like the fact that they are holding the Admin. accountable...maybe this will get their attention. Somebody needs to...

I read the article yesterday, it won't amount to anything.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: WPWells on November 09, 2016, 03:19:43 pm
Jimmy Dykes: "My players will no longer kneel for the national anthem."
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 03:35:44 pm
https://twitter.com/Dedsports/status/796458853453926400
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on November 09, 2016, 04:43:24 pm
Who's the coach?? Dykes or the players?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on November 09, 2016, 04:44:55 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on November 09, 2016, 04:43:24 pm
Who's the coach?? Dykes or the players?

The players are down that Queen liberal and the rest of the liberal cronies went down in flames last night.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 09, 2016, 09:17:14 pm
Quote from: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 12:56:42 pm
I read the article yesterday, it won't amount to anything.
Hmmmmm...looks like it already has...lol...Like I said all along...Dykes and Long had the avenue...and the donors have made it clear they better use that avenue...Well done UofA donors! ;)
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on November 09, 2016, 09:31:35 pm
I thought rice had the inside scoop
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on November 09, 2016, 09:45:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on November 09, 2016, 09:31:35 pm
I thought rice had the inside scoop

I was under the impression he was one of those big donors we are talking about....
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on November 10, 2016, 05:17:55 am
Quote from: ricepig on November 09, 2016, 12:54:37 pm
Yeah, Maynard G Krebs already said he was the caller, lol.

My level of influence surprises even me😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 07:42:34 am
Quote from: beach bum on November 09, 2016, 09:45:11 pm
I was under the impression he was one of those big donors we are talking about....


And I don't think you've seen me state anything about withholding any support. I divide my donation amongst the football, basketball, and baseball programs, though.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 08:28:41 am
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 07:42:34 am

And I don't think you've seen me state anything about withholding any support. I divide my donation amongst the football, basketball, and baseball programs, though.
Just the men's programs? If so...in the words of Gomer Pyle...Citizens arrest, Citizens arrest...Title IX, Title IX...lol...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 08:43:55 am
So, I am not a big Razorback insider by any stretch of the imagination...not even close. Two years ago a friend of mine was hired to be a staff member in the athletic department...and here is what she told me Monday...

Long and Dykes were feeling the pressure of the donors, neither really cared about all the calls and emails from fans complaining (imagine that). But a pretty large donor (she did not know at the time who it was) made a call directly to Long and said if this is not fixed pretty quickly all of their funding would cease to exist. This has later been confirmed by the UofA and was reported on several TV stations. A letter was written and this new avenue for the girls "Dream on the Hill" was brought up. Then Dykes had a presser along with two of the girls that was written for them to smooth this over. They were told NOT to kneel anymore, but the presser made it out to be the girls choice.

Just what I was told...may or may not be accurate...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 09:51:17 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 08:28:41 am
Just the men's programs? If so...in the words of Gomer Pyle...Citizens arrest, Citizens arrest...Title IX, Title IX...lol...

Yep, there's no need to get better seat locations for the women's team, lol. I've never been to a game, I hate women's basketball, too slow for me. Now, I like volleyball, high school or college, fast action.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 09:54:02 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 08:43:55 am
So, I am not a big Razorback insider by any stretch of the imagination...not even close. Two years ago a friend of mine was hired to be a staff member in the athletic department...and here is what she told me Monday...

Long and Dykes were feeling the pressure of the donors, neither really cared about all the calls and emails from fans complaining (imagine that). But a pretty large donor (she did not know at the time who it was) made a call directly to Long and said if this is not fixed pretty quickly all of their funding would cease to exist. This has later been confirmed by the UofA and was reported on several TV stations. A letter was written and this new avenue for the girls "Dream on the Hill" was brought up. Then Dykes had a presser along with two of the girls that was written for them to smooth this over. They were told NOT to kneel anymore, but the presser made it out to be the girls choice.

Just what I was told...may or may not be accurate...

So, you're saying it wasn't Maynard??? I could give you three names it was, more than likely started with a "B".
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 10:29:42 am
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 09:51:17 am
Yep, there's no need to get better seat locations for the women's team, lol. I've never been to a game, I hate women's basketball, too slow for me. Now, I like volleyball, high school or college, fast action.
lol...I have to agree with that!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 10:31:01 am
Quote from: ricepig on November 10, 2016, 09:54:02 am
So, you're saying it wasn't Maynard??? I could give you three names it was, more than likely started with a "B".
I honestly have no clue...but if it was Maynard, we need to have lunch someday...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Maynard G Krebs on November 10, 2016, 11:16:04 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 10:31:01 am
I honestly have no clue...but if it was Maynard, we need to have lunch someday...

you'll have to buy
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 11:45:53 am
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 10, 2016, 11:16:04 am
you'll have to buy
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 10, 2016, 11:16:04 am
you'll have to buy
lol...okay...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on November 10, 2016, 11:48:01 am
Quote from: Maynard G Krebs on November 10, 2016, 11:16:04 am
you'll have to buy
lol...Okay...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: nastynice on November 10, 2016, 12:18:49 pm
Got a relative fairly high up on the food chain on the hill. Although he deals mainly with football and baseball, he deals to some degree with all the sports. He said there were several big donors throwing a fit and the feces was about to hit the fan if JD didn't find a quick solution. Very tense and a lot of finger pointing for a few days!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 10, 2016, 12:42:20 pm
Quote from: nastynice on November 10, 2016, 12:18:49 pm
Got a relative fairly high up on the food chain on the hill. Although he deals mainly with football and baseball, he deals to some degree with all the sports. He said there were several big donors throwing a fit and the feces was about to hit the fan if JD didn't find a quick solution. Very tense and a lot of finger pointing for a few days!

A real world example of how free speech isn't always free.  Common sense and discretion do come in handy sometimes.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 13, 2016, 10:11:13 pm
https://www.facebook.com/KARK4/videos/10154849764519113/
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: bleudog on November 16, 2016, 07:55:55 pm
http://amppob.com/razorback-official-clock-watcher-protests-protest/
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Ventman on November 20, 2016, 03:04:47 pm
Their getting their college paid for, you stand for the national anthem period.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Truthfully on February 03, 2017, 11:54:39 am
appears what talent there is on this women's team is not living up to their capabilities. Coaching suspect at times but what can he do with girls that 'don't care'?  500 people in the stands is NOT good when a few games ago it was 2000 or so. Horrible concession sales and ticket sales. Don't think that does not add up in the long run, considering Muster Long needs all the income he can muster. The Foundation is losing members by the hundreds each month. The big donors are slowly giving less but still staying within their "classification" of giving ( BM, Super Hog, Wild Hog, Big Red etc) but HOW LONG will that last?

Paying big bucks for what? Men's BB and FB on decline for the most part, showing potential and then just loafing and everyone wanting to shoot the ball or the football players getting bigger and slower by the year. Not good for our 4 point guards on the men's BB team who do not drive in or pass properly to inside players. .  Not good in football when the "big guys" can't move to block or pass protect, give me someone 25 # lighter who runs a 40 a half second quicker, etc.. Muster Long, your time is drawing near and those unfilled seats in the 160 MILLION DOLLAR addition will be your downfall. Even big corporate $$ does not like to attend games of average teams and fight traffic and weather, etc. This next year will tell us what our major sports programs (BB and FB) head coaches future will be and it won't be at Arkansas. We are just not a school that gets 4 and 5 star players yearly.... mainly 3 starts with a limited few 4 stars in football.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2017, 02:52:45 pm
Quote from: Truthfully on February 03, 2017, 11:54:39 am
appears what talent there is on this women's team is not living up to their capabilities. Coaching suspect at times but what can he do with girls that 'don't care'?  500 people in the stands is NOT good when a few games ago it was 2000 or so. Horrible concession sales and ticket sales. Don't think that does not add up in the long run, considering Muster Long needs all the income he can muster. The Foundation is losing members by the hundreds each month. The big donors are slowly giving less but still staying within their "classification" of giving ( BM, Super Hog, Wild Hog, Big Red etc) but HOW LONG will that last?

Paying big bucks for what? Men's BB and FB on decline for the most part, showing potential and then just loafing and everyone wanting to shoot the ball or the football players getting bigger and slower by the year. Not good for our 4 point guards on the men's BB team who do not drive in or pass properly to inside players. .  Not good in football when the "big guys" can't move to block or pass protect, give me someone 25 # lighter who runs a 40 a half second quicker, etc.. Muster Long, your time is drawing near and those unfilled seats in the 160 MILLION DOLLAR addition will be your downfall. Even big corporate $$ does not like to attend games of average teams and fight traffic and weather, etc. This next year will tell us what our major sports programs (BB and FB) head coaches future will be and it won't be at Arkansas. We are just not a school that gets 4 and 5 star players yearly.... mainly 3 starts with a limited few 4 stars in football.

I hate to break it to you, but the suites and Loge seats are virtually sold out, you can still get in on the club level seats. The RF has had increases in donations for several years running, just log on to Guidestar to read the annual 990's. I suspect there will be a small decrease in season ticket sales,but that's due in large part to our odd year SEC schedule, it's not as attractive as the even years.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 03, 2017, 03:24:03 pm
Just realized out of the six players that took a knee during the anthem, half of them are no longer in the program.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2017, 03:59:33 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 03, 2017, 03:24:03 pm
Just realized out of the six players that took a knee during the anthem, half of them are no longer in the program.

Jimmy will be out of the program if they can find a slot for him in the athletic department, or RF. The hang up is his $500,000 salary.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: papaeagle on February 03, 2017, 04:25:02 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 03, 2017, 03:59:33 pm
Jimmy will be out of the program if they can find a slot for him in the athletic department, or RF. The hang up is his $500,000 salary.
This $500K is NOTHING as bad as trying to get rid of Coach B with his $3.5 million buyout considerations. I can not believe the U of A would not search for a proven, former basketball HC and just "forgo" the $500K small salary of Jimmy. Why continue to have lackluster, poor recruiting seasons just to save $500K? You lose concession stand $$ income amounting to that much with the poor fan support filling 300-500 seats. Winning brings in crowds as all of us know and that brings in ticket sales and concession income. You can not compare the thought processes of letting someone go that makes 1/8 of our FB coach.
Jimmy has the right ideas but can not convey them to an overall untalented girls BB team. Agree with other posters that this 2017 year will be a tightrope walk and we can not continue to "run" before we walk.  :-\
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 03, 2017, 04:49:55 pm
Quote from: papaeagle on February 03, 2017, 04:25:02 pm
This $500K is NOTHING as bad as trying to get rid of Coach B with his $3.5 million buyout considerations. I can not believe the U of A would not search for a proven, former basketball HC and just "forgo" the $500K small salary of Jimmy. Why continue to have lackluster, poor recruiting seasons just to save $500K? You lose concession stand $$ income amounting to that much with the poor fan support filling 300-500 seats. Winning brings in crowds as all of us know and that brings in ticket sales and concession income. You can not compare the thought processes of letting someone go that makes 1/8 of our FB coach.
Jimmy has the right ideas but can not convey them to an overall untalented girls BB team. Agree with other posters that this 2017 year will be a tightrope walk and we can not continue to "run" before we walk.  :-\

Why you may not like Bielema, his record, or anything about him, football sold 103% of capacity this year. Women's basketball is going down the tubes fast, he's down about 7-8 players in the past couple of years. He either recruited the wrong players for his system, or is a horrible coach. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Truthfully on February 04, 2017, 09:12:47 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 03, 2017, 04:49:55 pm
Why you may not like Bielema, his record, or anything about him, football sold 103% of capacity this year. Women's basketball is going down the tubes fast, he's down about 7-8 players in the past couple of years. He either recruited the wrong players for his system, or is a horrible coach. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
(1)  do not know how you sell 103% of tickets assigned to 100% of seats. Someone sitting in someone's seat
(2)  anything near 100% capacity ticket sales LAST year was in anticipation of a GREAT year, based on 2015
(3)  I promise you in 2017 that ticket sales will be down 'a bit'. Know that the $160 million addition will suffer
:-\
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 04, 2017, 09:59:28 am
Quote from: Truthfully on February 04, 2017, 09:12:47 am
(1)  do not know how you sell 103% of tickets assigned to 100% of seats. Someone sitting in someone's seat
(2)  anything near 100% capacity ticket sales LAST year was in anticipation of a GREAT year, based on 2015
(3)  I promise you in 2017 that ticket sales will be down 'a bit'. Know that the $160 million addition will suffer
:-\

Ok, attendance was 103% of capacity. Of course, if you have any idea of how attendance is figured, you know that includes ushers, ticket takers, concession workers, media, and anyone in "attendance".

The suites and Loge boxes are pre-sold, the $46M expansion, won't suffer, lol. You do know that's the actual cost of the additional seating? The rest is for upgrades throughout the stadium, two new elevators, new locker room, new athletic department offices, upgrades on existing suites, new concourse, etc.....?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2017, 11:28:18 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 04, 2017, 09:59:28 am
Ok, attendance was 103% of capacity. Of course, if you have any idea of how attendance is figured, you know that includes ushers, ticket takers, concession workers, media, and anyone in "attendance".

The suites and Loge boxes are pre-sold, the $46M expansion, won't suffer, lol. You do know that's the actual cost of the additional seating? The rest is for upgrades throughout the stadium, two new elevators, new locker room, new athletic department offices, upgrades on existing suites, new concourse, etc.....?

This is fearless Friday your facts have no place here
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 04, 2017, 12:38:22 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 04, 2017, 11:28:18 am
This is fearless Friday your facts have no place here

Sorry......fire the darn Yankee and Burp!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 04, 2017, 09:26:57 pm
Regardless of what ticket sales are, was, is or whatever the only number that matters in 7-6...average. Defend him how you want but he is still average...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 04, 2017, 09:46:41 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 04, 2017, 09:26:57 pm
Regardless of what ticket sales are, was, is or whatever the only number that matters in 7-6...average. Defend him how you want but he is still average...

Pretty much our average since joining the SEC, is average, but this is about the women's basketball team.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 04, 2017, 11:13:24 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 04, 2017, 09:46:41 pm
Pretty much our average since joining the SEC, is average, but this is about the women's basketball team.
No, not with all coaches. And yes, it WAS about women's basketball but YOU brought up the attendance at football games. Defend Bert all you want, but you are losing the argument by Bert's numbers alone...but again...if you are okay with UA football or the basketball programs being average, more power to you. Just don't try and convince the rest of us that want to be above average...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Longfellow on February 05, 2017, 12:22:16 am
We wouldn't be having this conversation if they would've hired Joe Foley
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 01:24:17 am
Quote from: Longfellow on February 05, 2017, 12:22:16 am
We wouldn't be having this conversation if they would've hired Joe Foley
Or Mike Neighbors...but hey, the "FANS" are happy with average... ::)
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 08:01:00 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 04, 2017, 11:13:24 pm
No, not with all coaches. And yes, it WAS about women's basketball but YOU brought up the attendance at football games. Defend Bert all you want, but you are losing the argument by Bert's numbers alone...but again...if you are okay with UA football or the basketball programs being average, more power to you. Just don't try and convince the rest of us that want to be above average...

Want in one hand, and poop in the other, and see which one fills up the fastest. No, the difference between you and me, is that I know posting non-stop on a message board to fire every coach that loses a game is futile and will fall on deaf ears. I guess it does give you something to post, though.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 08:19:22 am
I'm pretty sure chucky has lost more than one game. This is a prime example of the establishment and their horrible ideas. Let's hire the color man who does the men's games, he's one of us, he's a Razorback, what can go wrong...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 08:24:20 am
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 08:19:22 am
I'm pretty sure chucky has lost more than one game. This is a prime example of the establishment and their horrible ideas. Let's hire the color man who does the men's games, he's one of us, he's a Razorback, what can go wrong...

I hear they may just swap jobs......
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 09:45:33 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 08:01:00 am
Want in one hand, and poop in the other, and see which one fills up the fastest. No, the difference between you and me, is that I know posting non-stop on a message board to fire every coach that loses a game is futile and will fall on deaf ears. I guess it does give you something to post, though.
And you posting non-stop defending a coach or coaches that are average falls on deaf ears as well. Nobody hears you either yet you jump in at every turn defending Bert like he is your brother. If you don't like what we post you don't have to answer...it's not a rule on here that you have to answer...lol...but let's be clear. You are defending being average and paying heavily for it. The rest of us want to be above average...hope you can see the difference. You are just getting mad because we all don't like your boy Bert...you must be Ernie... ;)
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 10:08:53 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 09:45:33 am
And you posting non-stop defending a coach or coaches that are average falls on deaf ears as well. Nobody hears you either yet you jump in at every turn defending Bert like he is your brother. If you don't like what we post you don't have to answer...it's not a rule on here that you have to answer...lol...but let's be clear. You are defending being average and paying heavily for it. The rest of us want to be above average...hope you can see the difference. You are just getting mad because we all don't like your boy Bert...you must be Ernie... ;)

I never claimed my posts were falling on anything put moronic ears on here.....I believe you jumped in on my post on this thread, so it appears you feel the need to, as well. Bielema will be fired when those that make those decisions decide it's time, simple as that. I want him to do well, as I do with every Razorback coach, but it won't shed a tear for any of them, I'll just support the next one until he's gone.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 10:12:27 am
Quote from: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 10:08:53 am
I never claimed my posts were falling on anything put moronic ears on here.....I believe you jumped in on my post on this thread, so it appears you feel the need to, as well. Bielema will be fired when those that make those decisions decide it's time, simple as that. I want him to do well, as I do with every Razorback coach, but it won't shed a tear for any of them, I'll just support the next one until he's gone.
Same post different thread...lol...do you copy and paste those? And funny that ours fall on moronic ears also...kinda funny how that works huh? And like I said Ernie...keep supporting average...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 10:28:18 am
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 10:12:27 am
Same post different thread...lol...do you copy and paste those? And funny that ours fall on moronic ears also...kinda funny how that works huh? And like I said Ernie...keep supporting average...

Just providing facts to those who choose to ignore them, nothing more. While you say "average", it's what we are since joining the SEC, just average.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 12:55:19 pm
Every year? Ernie, our best under bert is avg but every other coach exemting John L has above avg years. Your argument is assinine
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 01:36:26 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 12:55:19 pm
Every year? Ernie, our best under bert is avg but every other coach exemting John L has above avg years. Your argument is assinine

Well, Elmo, I didn't realize his career at Arkansas was over, if these are his final numbers, then it will be below average. Of course, not every year in the SEC is equal to others, but I'll let the final numbers be the judge.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 01:41:08 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 10:28:18 am
Just providing facts to those who choose to ignore them, nothing more. While you say "average", it's what we are since joining the SEC, just average.
You are so wrong Ernie it hurts...CBP and HDN was above average...especially after 4 years...lol...go to Bert buddy, he is waiting on you and very proud of you defending him...lol...the FACTS? Maybe you should use a different source. History, even recent history tells you we CAN be above .500...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 01:56:35 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 01:41:08 pm
You are so wrong Ernie it hurts...CBP and HDN was above average...especially after 4 years...lol...go to Bert buddy, he is waiting on you and very proud of you defending him...lol...the FACTS? Maybe you should use a different source. History, even recent history tells you we CAN be above .500...

Big Bird, when his tenure is finished here, then we'll have definitive facts on his career as our head coach. We've had two consecutive seasons above .500, when he's had 10 seasons like Nutt, then we'll have comparative numbers to go by.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 02:11:34 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 01:56:35 pm
Big Bird, when his tenure is finished here, then we'll have definitive facts on his career as our head coach. We've had two consecutive seasons above .500, when he's had 10 seasons like Nutt, then we'll have comparative numbers to go by.
I'm sure you would love to see him here for ten seasons...lol...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 02:29:54 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 02:11:34 pm
I'm sure you would love to see him here for ten seasons...lol...

Unlike you, I don't care who the coach is. If he is here for 10 years, we will have had some very good seasons. I take that back, anyone but Nutt or Malzahn.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 03:33:14 pm
We will never have above avg with him here. He just can't coach
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 03:33:14 pm
We will never have above avg with him here. He just can't coach
Hey, average is fine with some as long as they can tailgate with fratbrats and see Bert on the sidelines...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 04:46:09 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 04:31:31 pm
Hey, average is fine with some as long as they can tailgate with fratbrats and see Bert on the sidelines...

Nah, don't care who's on the sideline.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 05:48:22 pm
Apparently you do, because you constantly defend him
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 06:04:24 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 05:48:22 pm
Apparently you do, because you constantly defend him

Obviously your reading comprehension is lacking, I've said for years, I support the head coach, he's currently the head coach.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 09:27:25 pm
Then you support mediocrity
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 05, 2017, 10:07:45 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 05, 2017, 09:27:25 pm
Then you support mediocrity

Whatever.....you'd have a new coach every week, good luck with that.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 05, 2017, 10:34:43 pm
When did bielema start coaching women's basketball?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 05, 2017, 10:41:52 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 05, 2017, 10:34:43 pm
When did bielema start coaching women's basketball?
lol...it did take a hard right turn didn't it...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 08:48:04 am
The ole "whatever " reply. Sorry, but it's true. The funny thing is, you don't have to defend him every time someone says something about him but you do.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 09:54:05 am
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 08:48:04 am
The ole "whatever " reply. Sorry, but it's true. The funny thing is, you don't have to defend him every time someone says something about him but you do.

Likewise for you, you don't have to attack him every time someone defends him, but you do.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 12:56:08 pm
Are you 5? Or does being a blind homer cause some sort brain damage? Surely an astute man like yourself can come up with better arguments or statements. I guess the debate team wasn't high on your list of priorities while attending UAF. Keg stands and elephant walks took most of your time...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 01:18:00 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 12:56:08 pm
Are you 5? Or does being a blind homer cause some sort brain damage? Surely an astute man like yourself can come up with better arguments or statements. I guess the debate team wasn't high on your list of priorities while attending UAF. Keg stands and elephant walks took most of your time...

I fail to see why you wish to attack me or try to take some swipe at me, it usually means you have nothing to offer as debate. You appear to be the 5 year old with the name calling, I guess that's all you have for rebuttal.

I've told you my stance on Bielema and the coaches at the university, I get it, you don't agree. If you think personal attacks is debating, I'm afraid you didn't make it past the 4th grade playground.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 01:42:26 pm
Oh no, i was just funnin with you after you ran out of excuses. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 02:10:23 pm
Apathy.

Does a body good.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 02:23:55 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 01:42:26 pm
Oh no, i was just funnin with you after you ran out of excuses. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Sure, that's just like your posting history, apologizing. I don't make excuses, I just state facts. Don't worry, you can't hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 02:27:57 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 02:10:23 pm
Apathy.

Does a body good.

Apathy would mean people don't watch, or post on a message boards, this more like selecting priorities.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 02:49:48 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 02:27:57 pm
Apathy would mean people don't watch, or post on a message boards, this more like selecting priorities.

I sent Lanny a message last week and told him to delete my hogville account. I'm as far as apathetic to razorback athletics as I've ever been. I didn't watch the game Saturday. I opted for more constructive time like a date with the wife. As you can see, watching that game would have been a waste.

Winning talks. Until then, the program is dead to me. I'll cheer for them but nothing more. Nothing less.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 03:06:12 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 02:49:48 pm
I sent Lanny a message last week and told him to delete my hogville account. I'm as far as apathetic to razorback athletics as I've ever been. I didn't watch the game Saturday. I opted for more constructive time like a date with the wife. As you can see, watching that game would have been a waste.

Winning talks. Until then, the program is dead to me. I'll cheer for them but nothing more. Nothing less.

I don't watch 1/2 of the basketball games, and I've attended a couple of Final 4's. One, they play 30+ of them, and they play the same way in 90% of them. I'll keep up every now and then on twitter, but it doesn't make or break my day, haha.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 03:10:17 pm
Are you kidding me?!! You the excuse master for poor decisions made at UAF
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 06, 2017, 03:18:32 pm
Facts, just the facts, Ma'm, just the facts.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 06, 2017, 03:35:22 pm
Lol
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 06, 2017, 07:22:28 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 02:49:48 pm
I sent Lanny a message last week and told him to delete my hogville account. I'm as far as apathetic to razorback athletics as I've ever been. I didn't watch the game Saturday. I opted for more constructive time like a date with the wife. As you can see, watching that game would have been a waste.

Winning talks. Until then, the program is dead to me. I'll cheer for them but nothing more. Nothing less.

Winning or not date night with the wife would always trump the razorbacks haha....Easier than earning those same "points" for doing laundry or dishes ugh
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 06, 2017, 08:24:17 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 06, 2017, 07:22:28 pm
Winning or not date night with the wife would always trump the razorbacks haha....Easier than earning those same "points" for doing laundry or dishes ugh

Yup!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 07, 2017, 07:54:06 pm
Fire the women's coach too along with Anderson.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 07, 2017, 09:28:47 pm
The women don't have a coach, they have a radio/tv announcer...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Trojanbird on February 07, 2017, 10:28:23 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 07, 2017, 09:28:47 pm
The women don't have a coach, they have a radio/tv announcer...
What do the "boys" have for a coach?
I think he should be a girl's coach because he sucks!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: cuckoobird on February 07, 2017, 10:31:55 pm
At least he was coaching when he was hired. Maybe Rick Schaufer can be the next football coach, he's part of the razorback family. Jeff long, along with the other rich smart donors, is destroying the university sports program one hire and contract at a time.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Trojanbird on February 07, 2017, 10:38:57 pm
And it is so hard to recruit to Fayetteville!  I say BS!
If it can't be done then let's stop spending so much money there!  There are other schools, D-1, in the state that would love to have some!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Jacketman65 on February 07, 2017, 11:13:27 pm
Quote from: Trojanbird on February 07, 2017, 10:28:23 pm
What do the "boys" have for a coach?
I think he should be a girl's coach because he sucks!
You guys don't be so hard on ole MA!  He is just filling a position and keeping the $ people happy by saying the right things!  "We are better and we don't need Dusty to score 20 in order to win, because we go better players"  Just seems to me that the Arkansas kids "that we don't get" keep coming back to stick it in our eye!
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 09:17:15 am
Quote from: cuckoobird on February 07, 2017, 10:31:55 pm
Maybe Rick Schaufer can be the next football coach, he's part of the razorback family.

Lmbo.... His pre game speeches to fire people up would be like bed time stories for children with that guys personality.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 12:31:24 pm
Quote from: Trojanbird on February 07, 2017, 10:38:57 pm
And it is so hard to recruit to Fayetteville!  I say BS!
If it can't be done then let's stop spending so much money there!  There are other schools, D-1, in the state that would love to have some!

I'm sorry, what's keeping them from raising their own?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:41:44 pm
Quote from: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 12:31:24 pm
I'm sorry, what's keeping them from raising their own?

Except this isn't even true for the U of A.... we are borrowing money from bond holder's to pay for the stupid end zone expansion. So we do not even raise our own money apparently. We borrow it...
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 08, 2017, 12:53:54 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:41:44 pm
Except this isn't even true for the U of A.... we are borrowing money from bond holder's to pay for the stupid end zone expansion. So we do not even raise our own money apparently. We borrow it...

"Big donors".
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Truthfully on February 08, 2017, 12:58:32 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:41:44 pm
Except this isn't even true for the U of A.... we are borrowing money from bond holder's to pay for the stupid end zone expansion. So we do not even raise our own money apparently. We borrow it...
1+ !!   Raised money in "real time" goes to help the U of A pay for inflated coaches salaries that exceed U of A salary caps, the rest coming from the Razorback Foundation.. The Foundation seems to be a puppet of the Board of Trustees and Long's decisions to pay crazy amounts of salary based on a rare occasion that a UofA team ends up high in the polls. Need more consistency and high top 20 ranking for 3-4 years to prove that "we are there" again. We are going down and not up, basketball or football. Something really wrong as other FF posters have said. I stand by a lot now and smile a lot more as each week goes by. First order of business is to evaluate the basketball assistant coaches and their ability to "coach" and "energize" and be "involved" for fans to see. 
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on February 08, 2017, 05:07:01 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 08, 2017, 12:41:44 pm
Except this isn't even true for the U of A.... we are borrowing money from bond holder's to pay for the stupid end zone expansion. So we do not even raise our own money apparently. We borrow it...

Uh, apples and oranges? Nothing is stopping anyone from issuing their own bond issue, except the ability to pay for it. The bonds are still being paid off by private funds, correct?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 03, 2017, 05:28:27 pm
Jimmy Dykes officially out as women's basketball coach.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Longfellow on March 03, 2017, 06:25:44 pm
About time
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 03, 2017, 10:09:02 am
Greenwood native Mike Neighbors new women's basketball coach: http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/glory_posts/the-dream-job/#sm.0000dv9br5f4sedty1s1bo3k59ev2
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 03, 2017, 10:50:27 am
Is this a good hire?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Romeo on April 03, 2017, 10:59:28 am
This would be what they consider a home run hire. Neighbors has a great track record. Led Washington to the final four last year. Made it to the sweet 16 this season. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Neighbors
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on April 03, 2017, 11:33:38 am
Gotcha. I'm not familiar with women's coaches.
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: OB11 on April 03, 2017, 01:26:12 pm
Didn't Washington have the girl that broke the scoring record?
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: ricepig on April 03, 2017, 03:00:33 pm
Quote from: OB11 on April 03, 2017, 01:26:12 pm
Didn't Washington have the girl that broke the scoring record?

Yeah, only a head coach for 4 years, but he did have Plum who was the scoring leader. He wanted it last time, but Long went with Sykes, that probably cost us $2M.......
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: Lions84 on April 05, 2017, 01:32:22 pm
Coach Neighbors is in the House.

http://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/4/3/15161296/mike-neighbors-hired-arkansas-womens-basketball-head-coach-razorbacks-washington
Title: Re: Razorback Women's Basketball
Post by: RZback on April 07, 2017, 11:23:05 am
The risk you take when you hire someone like Dykes without the experience at that level, no head coach experience and out of the game for a good while.  No, it doesn't mean it will not work but certainly it is a risk.