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2014 2A Player of the Year

Started by GusBrown, November 08, 2014, 01:18:07 pm

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GusBrown

Throw some names on this board, include stats for credibility.

swarfan

Jackie Harvell from Gurdon

1-1 passing for 12 yards and a TD
119 carries for 1,149 yards (9.7 YPC) and 19TDs
12 catches for 142 yards
2 fumble recoveries
10 interceptions (4 returned for TDs)
3 punt returns for TDs

Also, he is only a junior this year. 

godgiven999

Quote from: swarfan on November 08, 2014, 01:34:55 pm
Jackie Harvell from Gurdon

1-1 passing for 12 yards and a TD
119 carries for 1,149 yards (9.7 YPC) and 19TDs
12 catches for 142 yards
2 fumble recoveries
10 interceptions (4 returned for TDs)
3 punt returns for TDs

Also, he is only a junior this year.
BUMP

cuz

Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D

GusBrown

Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
What happened before this year shouldn't decide this award. I doubt Dancy can match Harvell's stats offensively AND defensively. Not saying Harvell is more talented than Dancy but this award should go to the guy with the best numbers.

BrianfromCarlisle

No it shouldn't.  That is why I hate MVP awards.  It means Most Valuable Player.  Who had the most to do with their teams success.  Simply because of their total domination, I don't know that Dancy is MVP.
After watching one game, I would say Rogo is a candidate.  Because McCrory probably has a losing record without him.

That is my definition of MVP. Same reason I can't stand the Heisman. 

footballfrenzy

Jackie Harvell is the definition of MVP.

Cheek

Quote from: footballfrenzy on November 08, 2014, 04:20:06 pm
Jackie Harvell is the definition of MVP.

With those stats, I have to agree.  Dancy only plays offense, and usually not but a half.

brown2010

ROGO HAS 1600 YDS IN 9 GAMES AND HE HASNT PLAYED IN 9 AND A HALF QUARTERS OR HE WOULD HAVE OVER 2000 OR MORE. GOT 300 TO 400 RECIEVING WITH 34TDS I THINK NOT 4 SURE ON THAT AND HAS OVER 90 TACKLES. AND HE IS A JUNIOR.

Wilson

Think the last numbers i saw on Dancy were like 58 rushes for 1068 yards and 15 or 16 TD's . . not sure about his receiving #'s

FootballDude02

Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks



FootballDude02

Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on November 08, 2014, 03:48:30 pm
No it shouldn't.  That is why I hate MVP awards.  It means Most Valuable Player.  Who had the most to do with their teams success.  Simply because of their total domination, I don't know that Dancy is MVP.
After watching one game, I would say Rogo is a candidate.  Because McCrory probably has a losing record without him.

That is my definition of MVP. Same reason I can't stand the Heisman.

+1

cuz

November 08, 2014, 06:03:26 pm #12 Last Edit: November 08, 2014, 06:41:38 pm by cuz
Quote from: GusBrown on November 08, 2014, 03:41:34 pm
Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
What happened before this year shouldn't decide this award. I doubt Dancy can match Harvell's stats offensively AND defensively. Not saying Harvell is more talented than Dancy but this award should go to the guy with the best numbers.
The post was a joke, thus the smiley face. No offence but Stats vary a lot depending on time played. If you play a bunch you'll have a lot of stats.Too many variables for me to figure. I'll leave that to you experts. But who really qualifies to make this decision? Who has all the stats for each player you feel deserves it? I certainly don't, nor do I know anyone with this information. That's a whole lot of research on a whole lot of teams.......... ;)

natedogg713

According to Brian's standards, on which i agree, Jamond Young of Bearden would be a great MVP. I dont have any stats, but people that watch Bearden play say they would be nothing with out him.

Dragon I


BrianfromCarlisle


THA TRUTH

Oh most def young without him bearden prolly wouldnt make playoffs

Pick_DA_EAGLES

Quote from: natedogg713 on November 08, 2014, 06:43:46 pm
According to Brian's standards, on which i agree, Jamond Young of Bearden would be a great MVP. I dont have any stats, but people that watch Bearden play say they would be nothing with out him.

The same can be said about rogo(?) from Mccrory and greene from Brinkley.

Ball Hawk

Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
Typical JC idiot. Dancy isn't the MVP bro. Just move along.

Ball Hawk

Quote from: BrianfromCarlisle on November 08, 2014, 03:48:30 pm
No it shouldn't.  That is why I hate MVP awards.  It means Most Valuable Player.  Who had the most to do with their teams success. Simply because of their total domination, I don't know that Dancy is MVP.
After watching one game, I would say Rogo is a candidate.  Because McCrory probably has a losing record without him.

That is my definition of MVP. Same reason I can't stand the Heisman.

+1 you nailed it. A lot of people can't grasp the definition of MVP

cuz

Quote from: Ball Hawk on November 08, 2014, 09:05:24 pm
Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
Typical JC idiot. Dancy isn't the MVP bro. Just move along.
As my Cajun friends would say.........
Attention votre bouche alligator surchargerez ton cul de colibri...

godgiven999

Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 09:16:59 pm
Quote from: Ball Hawk on November 08, 2014, 09:05:24 pm
Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
Typical JC idiot. Dancy isn't the MVP bro. Just move along.
As my Cajun friends would say.........
Attention votre bouche alligator surchargerez ton cul de colibri...
oh is your friend a current player? ;D

cuz

Quote from: godgiven999 on November 08, 2014, 09:32:46 pm
Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 09:16:59 pm
Quote from: Ball Hawk on November 08, 2014, 09:05:24 pm
Quote from: cuz on November 08, 2014, 03:10:06 pm
Jaqwis Dancy Junction City
no stats....
MVP Soph. MVP Junior State Championship game......... ;D
Typical JC idiot. Dancy isn't the MVP bro. Just move along.
As my Cajun friends would say.........
Attention votre bouche alligator surchargerez ton cul de colibri...
oh is your friend a current player? ;D
The secret's out........ ;D

HorseFeathers

Only have stats through 8 games....but

Tanner Gaines
Passing 90-137 1267 YDS, 12 TDs 3INT
Rushing 70 Carries for 596 Yards 8.5 ypc, 10 TD's...

He had 300 yards all purpose against Bearden...160ish rushing 150ish passing....Soo I'd guess he's getting close to 2500 all purpose now...

Pick_DA_EAGLES

Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 09:51:11 pm
Only have stats through 8 games....but

Tanner Gaines
Passing 90-137 1267 YDS, 12 TDs 3INT
Rushing 70 Carries for 596 Yards 8.5 ypc, 10 TD's...

He had 300 yards all purpose against Bearden...160ish rushing 150ish passing....Soo I'd guess he's getting close to 2500 all purpose now...

Thats just not going to cut it though, he plays for hector, not j.c. 😁

HorseFeathers

Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on November 08, 2014, 09:56:32 pm
Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 09:51:11 pm
Only have stats through 8 games....but

Tanner Gaines
Passing 90-137 1267 YDS, 12 TDs 3INT
Rushing 70 Carries for 596 Yards 8.5 ypc, 10 TD's...

He had 300 yards all purpose against Bearden...160ish rushing 150ish passing....Soo I'd guess he's getting close to 2500 all purpose now...

Thats just not going to cut it though, he plays for hector, not j.c. 😁

Not to mention playing in West Arkansas won't help him either :D

Pick_DA_EAGLES

Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 10:01:50 pm
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on November 08, 2014, 09:56:32 pm
Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 09:51:11 pm
Only have stats through 8 games....but

Tanner Gaines
Passing 90-137 1267 YDS, 12 TDs 3INT
Rushing 70 Carries for 596 Yards 8.5 ypc, 10 TD's...

He had 300 yards all purpose against Bearden...160ish rushing 150ish passing....Soo I'd guess he's getting close to 2500 all purpose now...

Thats just not going to cut it though, he plays for hector, not j.c. 😁

Not to mention playing in West Arkansas won't help him either :D

They play football in west Arkansas?  Lol

HorseFeathers

Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on November 08, 2014, 10:03:00 pm
Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 10:01:50 pm
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on November 08, 2014, 09:56:32 pm
Quote from: HF on November 08, 2014, 09:51:11 pm
Only have stats through 8 games....but

Tanner Gaines
Passing 90-137 1267 YDS, 12 TDs 3INT
Rushing 70 Carries for 596 Yards 8.5 ypc, 10 TD's...

He had 300 yards all purpose against Bearden...160ish rushing 150ish passing....Soo I'd guess he's getting close to 2500 all purpose now...

Thats just not going to cut it though, he plays for hector, not j.c. 😁

Not to mention playing in West Arkansas won't help him either :D

They play football in west Arkansas?  Lol

Not in 2A :D...but Charleston, Greenwood and FS Southside would like to have a word with you for that comment 8)

WPWells


HorseFeathers

Quote from: 12th Man CHS on November 08, 2014, 10:12:06 pm
Don't forget Dardanelle

I get the feeling they're about to pull a Dardanelle and choke....just waiting on it :D

mtindian42

dancey don't deserve player of the year because he plays on a loaded team...heck some of us could probley run for yards like he dose. because you cant just key on him...BC you have to worry about all the other skill positions...cause ever one on that team can hurt you...lol jc is like Alabama playing in the sunbelt conference...not fair...after seeing the rogo kids stats I would give it to him...heck of a player not playing on a loaded team...

STUNNA

Just look at the Heisman trophy... You usually only have a chance if you are putting up great numbers on a team that is having a lot of success... So to me the mvp would prolly be off of one of the top 5 teams in the class from someone that has very good stats

THA TRUTH

Dancy shouldn't get this award just like the reason carpenter shouldn't get coach if the year apparently the team is just to good to give awards to

LCC

My question is: would JC still be undefeated and dominant without Dancy? If not, I wouldn't consider him player of the year.
I don't know his name, but #5 from Mt. Ida brought a lot to the table. I'm not saying he should be MVP, but I would like to see someone LIKE him, or Harvill, get it. Heck, figure in academics too if you want. I just think it should be someone that changes the dimensions of a team.

mtindian42

Quote from: THA TRUTH on November 09, 2014, 09:36:32 am
Dancy shouldn't get this award just like the reason carpenter shouldn't get coach if the year apparently the team is just to good to give awards to
I'm sure hootens will give it to dancy. not sure about carpenter tho. hazen coach will probably win that.

Blue

Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.

mtindian42

Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.
brinkley

Blue

Jackie Harvell will be tough to vote against here. I have saw a lot of kids in this thread play and he is the best football player I have seen in a long time on the 2A level. The 7 2A has some great football players this year and the best are JR's. I think Harvell had the best season of these guys.

Harvell- Gurdon
Burks- Lafayette County
Lowery- Mt Ida
McKinney- Dierks

FootballDude02

Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.

He is from Brinkley, AR. Plays for the Tigers, and they are making great strides under first year head coach Ethan Baker. Numbers are at no "stretch"...the young man is a sight to behold.

cuz

Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3423242/daquan-greene

M.I. D

The kid from Brinkley will play against Mount Ida this week. I have seen hudl videos but want to see him in person. He's big and had some speed. We will see how he compares to burks and harvel

Blue

Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 09, 2014, 10:09:22 am
Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.

He is from Brinkley, AR. Plays for the Tigers, and they are making great strides under first year head coach Ethan Baker. Numbers are at no "stretch"...the young man is a sight to behold.

If those are legit numbers and I am not in any way saying they are not, He should be getting a lot of recruiting attention. I follow Razorback recruiting very close and have never heard his name. He should have recruiting profiles and I cannot find one. I remember seeing AJ Turner his SR year at EPC I believe he was listed at 6'2 220 he was about 5'10 195. This is the case a lot of times they will measure a kid in cleats, add 15-20 lbs, the 4.5 40 is really a 4.8. Like I said I am not insinuating this is the case with this young man but first year coach Ethan Baker needs to get his name out there if college football is something the kid wants to persue

FootballDude02

Quote from: cuz on November 09, 2014, 10:41:33 am
Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3423242/daquan-greene
All these videos are from his 10th grade year. Totally different mental of the team, and different offensive packages.

FootballDude02

Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 10:53:09 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 09, 2014, 10:09:22 am
Quote from: Blue on November 09, 2014, 09:58:50 am
Quote from: FootballDude02 on November 08, 2014, 05:07:51 pm
Daquan Greene 6'2 227lb Junior RB/MLB

4.5 40, 320 bench, 610 squat

***9 games***

142 carries 1,487 yrds 15 TDs

12 receptions 210 yrds 3 TDs

110 tackles (82 solo), 3 INTS, 3 sacks

Where is this kid from? If your height/weight/speed numbers are correct Arkansas should be all over him and I cannot find a profile for him on Rivals.

He is from Brinkley, AR. Plays for the Tigers, and they are making great strides under first year head coach Ethan Baker. Numbers are at no "stretch"...the young man is a sight to behold.

If those are legit numbers and I am not in any way saying they are not, He should be getting a lot of recruiting attention. I follow Razorback recruiting very close and have never heard his name. He should have recruiting profiles and I cannot find one. I remember seeing AJ Turner his SR year at EPC I believe he was listed at 6'2 220 he was about 5'10 195. This is the case a lot of times they will measure a kid in cleats, add 15-20 lbs, the 4.5 40 is really a 4.8. Like I said I am not insinuating this is the case with this young man but first year coach Ethan Baker needs to get his name out there if college football is something the kid wants to persue
I totally understand your point on it...I've seen it happen myself. He was personally invited to Arkansas Razorback Elite Prospect camp this June, was there with Ty Storey, KJ Hill, etc...along with about 200 other kids from around the country. They did weigh in first thing at check in. In June there, he weighed in at 6'1 3/4 and 224 lbs. He worked out for them at RB and LB. He was one of 5 kids that worked out both ways.

hornetfever

Kids on stronger teams don't get the stats that kids from weaker teams do. I think stats from playoff games and against top ten competition should be considered. Hazen has kids that don't get to play in second half of blowouts.
JC's Dancy is the same way. Rushing for big yards against losing teams is not a big deal.

hornetfever

Playing both ways should also be a big part. This is 2A your best players should play both ways.
Harvell from Gurdon is impressive but the playoffs will shed more light on the best players.

footballfrenzy

Harvell fits what you're saying about not getting the full opportunity to show his capabilities bc he's on a good team. Through 10 games he had 11.9 carries a game. He had one game of 20 rushes and several where he had less than 10. Kid is going to shine in the playoffs and the 6 will get to see him first hand the first 2 rounds.

hornetfever

Quote from: footballfrenzy on November 09, 2014, 11:26:44 am
Harvell fits what you're saying about not getting the full opportunity to show his capabilities bc he's on a good team. Through 10 games he had 11.9 carries a game. He had one game of 20 rushes and several where he had less than 10. Kid is going to shine in the playoffs and the 6 will get to see him first hand the first 2 rounds.

I agree 100%. You will not be seeing top 10 competition until quarter-finals according to the bracket. Carlisle is very weak and McCrory is a good team but not top ten. We have a back that finished 2nd in 100 meters to Harvell at 2A State meet. Best players will show it Thanksgiving and after. Like Mr. Dancy has the last 2 years.

dragon79

Doesn't this award go to a senior player?

FootballDude02

Quote from: hornetfever on November 09, 2014, 11:16:17 am
Kids on stronger teams don't get the stats that kids from weaker teams do. I think stats from playoff games and against top ten competition should be considered. Hazen has kids that don't get to play in second half of blowouts.
JC's Dancy is the same way. Rushing for big yards against losing teams is not a big deal.

Well I'd have to kinda disagree here...if the kid is good, he will put up the stats regardless...especially if the team is as good as one thinks. Take Dancy for example; his team is deemed as the best and because of their success, he doesn't play whole games and doesn't have to have 200 touches. But because he is the athlete one declares him to be, he makes everything out of the limited touches he does get. His stats are as good or better than those who play whole games (yardage, YPC, TDs, etc). And if "weaker teams" play, their one player should be easier to stop because they can be keyed on, especially if that athlete is all a team has. But this is only one mans opinion.

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