Earle High School notified the Arkansas Activities Association on Thursday that it was forfeiting
all of its varsity football games including playoff games in which an ineligible player participated
during the 2017 football season.
"We are grateful to Earle High School for its integrity and honesty while dealing with a sensitive
issue," AAA Executive Director Lance Taylor said. The district self-reported what is considered a
violation of AAA rules and took immediate action.
Due to self-reporting the use of an ineligible player, Earle High School has been removed from
the 2017 Class 2A football play-offs. Salem High School, who was defeated by Earle in last
week's quarter-final game, will advance into the semi-final game versus Foreman High School.
The 2A semi-final games will be rescheduled as follows:
Friday, December 8, 2017 – 7 PM
Salem @ Forman
Mt. Ida @ Camden Harmony Grove
The 2A Championship Game will be played Friday, December 15, 2017, 7 PM at War Memorial
Stadium.
SMH Earle. Way to waste Bohanons last year
Haha November Fools is over.
Yall all said they were well coached. I'm assuming possibly they were lol . Just sad because of kids . But surely they knew .
Man this is crazy.
Surely it isnt grades. A late move in?
Eligibility was already up ...
Shame, shame, shame.....a great year wasted by Earle Administration...
No wonder they didn't want any pictures taken of their practice
Couldn't find a preacher to marry their players or didn't know how to rent property like Hampton?
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on November 30, 2017, 04:02:02 pm
No wonder they didn't want any pictures taken of their practice
Could it be they said NO!!. You didn't understand that.
They were questions a couple of years ago about the kids from Marion. karma! Lol
Quote from: NEark tigers on November 30, 2017, 04:04:55 pm
Could it be they said NO!!. You didn't understand that.
Or maybe they knew They were cheaters and didn't want pictures.
Oh, lawd this is horrible for the kids.
Quote from: Missco on November 30, 2017, 04:06:55 pm
Oh, lawd this is horrible for the kids.
Some will forget this and do their best to run the team and school thru the mud
Quote from: NEark tigers on November 30, 2017, 04:00:53 pm
Shame, shame, shame.....a great year wasted by Earle Administration...
NEA is this coming from investigation in to other report from a few weeks back. Disappointing for sure
Sounds to me the state needs to take over and run the school district until it can be ran with better structure ...
Horrible for the other teams it has affected too
Quote from: hornets23byers on November 30, 2017, 04:08:43 pm
Sounds to me the state needs to take over and run the school district until it can be ran with better structure ...
They already took over the district a few weeks back...
And why would playing an inelgible player warrant the state taking over a district anyway?
I hate to hear this for the kids at Earle that worked their tail off to get to the semifinals. There are people at fault, but those people are not the kids. My question is how did the Triple A decide to give Salem the second chance and not Mineral Springs or any of the other teams that Earle defeated in the season? What position are they putting Salem in considering they have already turned their pads in for the year? No win situation here.
I know they had a kid from Marion that should've graduated last year!
Quote from: stuck in between on November 30, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
I hate to hear this for the kids at Earle that worked their tail off to get to the semifinals. There are people at fault, but those people are not the kids. My question is how did the Triple A decide to give Salem the second chance and not Mineral Springs or any of the other teams that Earle defeated in the season? What position are they putting Salem in considering they have already turned their pads in for the year? No win situation here.
Salem advanced the furthest in the playoffs. They are the last team Earle beat so they get to play.
Postponed a week and Mineral is left out. We could and would play Salem this week. Why? Because they can.
In my opinion it sucks for everyone .. even if we foreman beat Salem and then win the ship it will still be remembered by this and that goes got whoever wins it
Quote from: couch-coach06 on November 30, 2017, 04:16:45 pm
In my opinion it sucks for everyone .. even if we foreman beat Salem and then win the ship it will still be remembered by this and that goes got whoever wins it
And at the end if the day Foreman would have the hardware in their trophy case and everyone else would just be flapping their gums wishing their school had 1(or another one in some schools case)
True very true
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 04:18:11 pm
And at the end if the day Foreman would have the hardware in their trophy case and everyone else would just be flapping their gums wishing their school had 1(or another one in some schools case)
If Foreman beats Ida or CHG in the finals they eared it. Nobody can take it away from any team that wins this years State Championship.
Ouch
Wow!...this is freakin crazy...
Man I hate that for GB, this is crap you see in the movies. Congrats to Foreman on another home game tho! But go Cinderella Story Salem
Shouldn't Mineral get to play Salem since they were beaten by Earle in round 2?
Quote from: thevoice on November 30, 2017, 04:52:46 pm
Shouldn't Mineral get to play Salem since they were beaten by Earle in round 2?
that would be fair but it doesn't work that way unfortunately. If I was Minerals coach I'd be burning up the phone trying.
Quote from: Old Scrapper on November 30, 2017, 05:00:29 pm
that would be fair but it doesn't work that way unfortunately. If I was Minerals coach I'd be burning up the phone trying.
This
Quote from: Old Scrapper on November 30, 2017, 05:10:24 pm
Sorry teacher,it won't happen again.
What? I was agreeing lol
I believe they had to forfeit games at least one other time in the last 5 years for the same thing.
Just seen on Twitter than Earle plans on fighting this....they self reported an inelgible player and now they want to fight it....that's a rather interesting approach...
Second time in five years they've been caught using an ineligible player.
Quote from: hornets23byers on November 30, 2017, 04:08:43 pm
Sounds to me the state needs to take over and run the school district until it can be ran with better structure ...
That happened about a month ago. If it wouldn't have, I seriously doubt it would have ever been self reported. I wonder if this is actually considered a true "self reporting." I bet it's more like a state reporting, since the state people are the ones running it now.
Just seen on Twitter that EARLE has now decided to file for an injunction against the AAA and 2a playoffs(like Lamar did), and fight whether or not the kid is actually inelgible
1 kid transferred in 3 years ago from Marion and he failed 9th grade when he was there. Moved to Earle and played from 9th grade up to now. "5th year senior" SMH
It's not a trend until it happens 3 times.
I bet a player I won't name was taking those 500$ handshakes to sign with a college which makes him ineligible as a student athlete
If coaching or any staff promotes this. They should be terminated. I would not someone like that representing my school or team
Is there any evidence of past forfeitures in the playoffs?
Mineral vs Salem on Sat or Monday. Play half way between schools.
Winner vs Foreman on 12/8.
Make it happen. It's fair, is it not?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 05:11:22 pm
What? I was agreeing lol
oh ok. I thought I used to many of that and not enough of this
Quote from: paraloma on November 30, 2017, 05:27:15 pm
Is there any evidence of past forfeitures in the playoffs?
Mineral vs Salem on Sat or Monday. Play half way between schools.
Winner vs Foreman on 12/8.
Make it happen. It's fair, is it not?
Well Earle is now filing an injunction because apparently self reporting "We played an inelgible player all season" needs some clarification....
Wow.... Sad.... Sigh :-\
I have heard Salem gets to play Foreman instead of Mineral Springs because Mineral Springs lost to Earle by 20, while Salem lost to Earle by 19. Therefor Salem gets to advance.
Earle vs Foreman was going to be a really good game. I was looking forward to it.
the coaches and administrators knowingly played with an ineligible player, they thought they wouldn't get caught because they have always gotten by with cheating. When the state took over the Earle school district 4 weeks ago the new superintendent starting looking into a player that was playing but not listed on ANY AAA forms or rosters. Kudos to him for doing the right thing. It is very sad for GBohannon and the other kids but hopefully a lesson will be learned that cheating doesn't pay off in the end.
Quote from: underdog678 on November 30, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
I have heard Salem gets to play Foreman instead of Mineral Springs because Mineral Springs lost to Earle by 20, while Salem lost to Earle by 19. Therefor Salem gets to advance.
If that's the case which I don't think it is. I'm glad Salem got one heck of kicker.
Quote from: C.C.TbirdFan on November 30, 2017, 05:41:15 pm
Earle vs Foreman was going to be a really good game. I was looking forward to it.
I was to. I was actually gonna make the long trip so I could see it
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on November 30, 2017, 05:45:14 pm
If that's the case which I don't think it is. I'm glad Salem got one heck of kicker.
I think it's mainly for the timing of it.
Quote from: C.C.TbirdFan on November 30, 2017, 05:41:15 pm
Earle vs Foreman was going to be a really good game. I was looking forward to it.
Just think of all the offense the fans were going to see.... Foreman's RB was going to have a field day getting lots of possessions off of Earle's quick strike offense.... 45 to 50 points probably would have been needed to win that game for either team.
Marion School district will pay for this one . We will never play in there tournaments again there money maker game
Quote from: nightowl on November 30, 2017, 05:56:25 pm
Marion School district will pay for this one . We will never play in there tournaments again there money maker game
??
Quote from: nightowl on November 30, 2017, 05:56:25 pm
Marion School district will pay for this one . We will never play in there tournaments again there money maker game
Why is it Marion's fault? It is really simple, play by the rules that all members schools in the Arkansas Activities Association agreed to.
What
How is it their fault Earle cheated?
It boggles my mind the way people think nowadays. You get caught cheating/breaking the law and it's someone else's fault. Step up and be a man when you screw up don't blame others for your wrong doings.
Quote from: Sporty on November 30, 2017, 05:41:23 pm
the coaches and administrators knowingly played with an ineligible player, they thought they wouldn't get caught because they have always gotten by with cheating. When the state took over the Earle school district 4 weeks ago the new superintendent starting looking into a player that was playing but not listed on ANY AAA forms or rosters. Kudos to him for doing the right thing. It is very sad for GBohannon and the other kids but hopefully a lesson will be learned that cheating doesn't pay off in the end.
This is interesting
Quote from: Beaver Fever on November 30, 2017, 06:01:28 pm
How is it their fault Earle cheated?
It boggles my mind the way people think nowadays. You get caught cheating/breaking the law and it's someone else's fault. Step up and be a man when you screw up don't blame others for your wrong doings.
I couldn't agree more.... It's amazing my perception of people that will admit their screw ups and the ones that won't. I think most people are like me in the sense that if someone owns up apologizes and you can tell its sincere will move on in our perception of someone.... Those people that lie and run until the bitter end or BLAME OTHERS just boggle my mind and makes me legitimately lose respect forever. A lot of respect can be gained back by sucking it up and having a little bit of humility when we mess up.
Quote from: beach bum on November 30, 2017, 06:04:42 pm
I couldn't agree more.... It's amazing my perception of people that will admit their screw ups and the ones that won't. I think most people are like me in the sense that if someone owns up apologizes and you can tell its sincere will move on in our perception of someone.... Those people that lie and run until the bitter end just boggle my mind and makes me legitimately lose respect forever. A lot of respect can be gained back by sucking it up and having a little bit of humility when we mess up.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Great post!
Hate this for all the Earle players who legitimately worked so hard and are innocent in all this. It never pays to break the rules..the truth almost always reveals itself. Shame on anyone who knowingly let this happen and condolences for all of those who did not know but are impacted by this nonetheless.
Quote from: gold45 on November 30, 2017, 06:13:04 pm
You took the words right out of my mouth. Great post!
Hate this for all the Earle players who legitimately worked so hard and are innocent in all this. It never pays to break the rules..the truth almost always reveals itself. Shame on anyone who knowingly let this happen and condolences for all of those who did not know but are impacted by this nonetheless.
Couldn't agree more.... Those kids are just living out their dream season right now and it got snatched up just like that by an adult's or adults' mistakes.
My question is when the state took over you should have had since enough to quit why didn't you? Well congrats to Marked Tree 2017 conference champs.
At the end of the day was it worth it Coaches?
Quote from: Sporty on November 30, 2017, 05:41:23 pm
the coaches and administrators knowingly played with an ineligible player, they thought they wouldn't get caught because they have always gotten by with cheating. When the state took over the Earle school district 4 weeks ago the new superintendent starting looking into a player that was playing but not listed on ANY AAA forms or rosters. Kudos to him for doing the right thing. It is very sad for GBohannon and the other kids but hopefully a lesson will be learned that cheating doesn't pay off in the end.
No doubt about it, if the state hadn't of taken over nothing would of been said.
Quote from: underdog678 on November 30, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
I have heard Salem gets to play Foreman instead of Mineral Springs because Mineral Springs lost to Earle by 20, while Salem lost to Earle by 19. Therefor Salem gets to advance.
It is Salem because they can not go back to the beginning of the bracket. If they went back to the second round then they'd need to go back to the first...not going to happen
My opinion is that the AAA should let mineral springs and Salem play. If Earle has to forfeit all games, that means Salem gets a win. Ok, so doesn't that give Mineral Springs a win too? And if this is the 2nd time in 5 years that Earle has done, what will AAA do to them? Nothing!!! It would cost them some gate money!!!
Quote from: hesmine_lionpride on November 30, 2017, 06:23:10 pm
It is Salem because they can not go back to the beginning of the bracket. If they went back to the second round then they'd need to go back to the first...not going to happen
Apologize just remembered Earle had a bye...so I agree should be Mineral vs Salem
Earle had a bye the first round. So just 2 teams are affected,with mineral springs getting the shaft!!!
Yeah I'm thinking the only reason this got "SELF REPORTED" is because the star had taken over.
Again shame on the admin there for doing this and letting this go on
AAA has painted themselves into a corner. Didn't a few years ago the AAA let a girl from Conway play in the championship game when she had used up her eligibility?
Quote from: Outloud on November 30, 2017, 06:29:10 pm
Earle had a bye the first round. So just 2 teams are affected,with mineral springs getting the shaft!!!
Remeber Earle had this player all year. Affected the entire seeding of the playoffs.
If they went back to the first theyd have to go back to 1st game of conference season. Haha. 0-7 dont even make the playoffs.
AAA is a joke. There was a team in the 2A finals last year just as guilty as earle. Do what ever ya want football coaches. 99 of 100 times you wont get caught.
And the AAA put them dang cheaters in our conference for next year!!!
Quote from: bigworm on November 30, 2017, 06:34:17 pm
If they went back to the first theyd have to go back to 1st game of conference season. Haha. 0-7 dont even make the playoffs.
AAA is a joke. There was a team in the 2A finals last year just as guilty as earle.
I agree.
Quote from: zebradynasty on November 30, 2017, 06:32:10 pm
AAA has painted themselves into a corner. Didn't a few years ago the AAA let a girl from Conway play in the championship game when she had used up her eligibility?
No....she sat that game...
Quote from: bigworm on November 30, 2017, 06:34:17 pm
If they went back to the first theyd have to go back to 1st game of conference season. Haha. 0-7 dont even make the playoffs.
AAA is a joke. There was a team in the 2A finals last year just as guilty as earle. Do what ever ya want football coaches. 99 of 100 times you wont get caught.
School choice and legitimate moves are different than not listing a kid on a roster cause you know he's not eligible(that's been the only reason I've seen given for them having to forfeit games)....
Quote from: Outloud on November 30, 2017, 06:34:46 pm
Gonna be interesting to see what the Nazis, sorry, I meant the AAA will do to Earle if this is the 2 nd time it's happened.
Nothing probably to tell the truth. Looks like the state is though
If I was an Earle fan I would have a moving van at that coaches front door before daylight .. I feel sorry for the kids and community
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 06:38:24 pm
No....she sat that game...
Then was it they let Conway play in the Championship game even though they had used an in-eligible player all year?
Quote from: zebradynasty on November 30, 2017, 06:45:42 pm
Then was it they let Conway play in the Championship game even though they had used an in-eligible player all year?
I actually looked this thread up a couple months ago...I'll see if I can find it again Z....cause I thought they ruled that Conway could play but she had to sit
MT would have won the conference and got a 1st round bye. Then, MT would have hosted Mineral in the 2nd round at home, instead of going on the road to MI. Seems MT has a legit case as does Mineral.
My opinion-Foreman should get bye into finals. If you have a look back, you should have MS play Salem (especially since MS was only other playoff team impacted). Don't seem supported to me to go back 1 week? Again, I wouldn't have a look back but don't agree with how this was handled.
IMO they should just advance Foreman, otherwise you'd need to go back to Mineral at MT :-\
I think we can all agree this is a bad situation that pretty much affects everyone and makes Earle and AAA look bad. Bad for Earle considering they would probably still be undefeated even without the ineligible kid. Not totally sure how they came to the decision to advance Salem, but I know they sure are grateful for a second chance.
Quote from: zebradynasty on November 30, 2017, 06:45:42 pm
Then was it they let Conway play in the Championship game even though they had used an in-eligible player all year?
Went and dug up the thread....In that case player in question had used up her elgibilility because the 8 semester clock had run out(she played varsity basketball in Alaska in the 8th grade) and appeal was filed after the semifinals game (which she dropped 40 on #1 team in state), and AAA ruled that Conway could play on finals, but the player was now inelgible and had to sit.
Same year, Guy-Perkins girls got pulled out of either district or region tournament for same thing, having to forfeit the year.
Believe the Lamar case people have referenced on this thread...Kids we're ruled elgible, then AAA backtracked and ruled them inelgible, which caused Lamar to get the court system involved...
Always interesting to see the AAA history of flipping flopping how they handle stuff...
Where are the Earle defense lawyers that usually post on here?
Hate this for all the Earle players who legitimately worked so hard and are innocent in all this. It never pays to break the rules..the truth almost always reveals itself. Shame on anyone who knowingly let this happen and condolences for all of those who did not know but are impacted by this nonetheless.
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Wrong. Pays very well for the politicians. And the truth almost never reveals itself.
Quote from: Old Scrapper on November 30, 2017, 07:07:19 pm
Where are the Earle defense lawyers that usually post on here?
Working on their injunction case
Going by the Conway precedent, Earle should play Friday, just without the ineligible player
Quote from: underdog678 on November 30, 2017, 07:00:04 pm
I think we can all agree this is a bad situation that pretty much affects everyone and makes Earle and AAA look bad. Bad for Earle considering they would probably still be undefeated even without the ineligible kid. Not totally sure how they came to the decision to advance Salem, but I know they sure are grateful for a second chance.
The only thing I can figure about why Salem is how easy it is. If you back track any further than that you would have to basically play all the playoffs again. So Salem was the easiest
Quote from: jsky14 on November 30, 2017, 07:14:37 pm
Going by the Conway precedent, Earle should play Friday, just without the ineligible player
I mean she played in alaska as an 8th grader .. I could see how a coach wouldn't know that .. kinda don't even know how you could even find this out too get them in trouble .. apples too oranges really
Quote from: C.C.TbirdFan on November 30, 2017, 05:41:15 pm
Earle vs Foreman was going to be a really good game. I was looking forward to it.
I was driving almost 3 hours tomorrow to watch that game.
Quote from: couch-coach06 on November 30, 2017, 07:19:55 pm
I mean she played in alaska as an 8th grader .. I could see how a coach wouldn't know that .. kinda don't even know how you could even find this out too get them in trouble .. apples too oranges really
Everyone knew, wasnt a problem until they upset the #1 team in semi finals
Gotcha hs
Quote from: couch-coach06 on November 30, 2017, 07:28:48 pm
Gotcha hs
I don't agree with the Salem going to foreman next week....but I'm not sure I'd agree with foreman getting a pass to state finals either....kinda lose lose for the AAA here.
AAA won't cancel a game or give a bye to the finals. That would cost them $$
Not sure what the best fair way to fix this is. I wouldn't agree with just giving Foreman a free pass, but I think Mineral Springs is getting hosed too. I think I would have seen how soon Mineral Springs and Salem could be ready to play each other, then let the winner go to Foreman. I also see where Marked Tree got hosed out of a home playoff game instead of having to go to #1 Mt. Ida.
The solution may be that there's not a good solution. Earle's errors have affected so many people. Not a good situation.
Quote from: CHG Hornet on November 30, 2017, 07:38:07 pm
Not sure what the best fair way to fix this is. I wouldn't agree with just giving Foreman a free pass, but I think Mineral Springs is getting hosed too. I think I would have seen how soon Mineral Springs and Salem could be ready to play each other, then let the winner go to Foreman. I also see where Marked Tree got hosed out of a home playoff game instead of having to go to #1 Mt. Ida.
The solution may be that there's not a good solution. Earle's errors have affected so many people. Not a good situation.
Only way to really fix this error is to start involving legitimate fines to the schools....
Don't cry to long for Mineral Springs..They had a player a couple of years ago that lived in Nashville and Played for Mineral. It came to light late in the playoffs but they allowed him to play because the school that turned them in knew in the beginning of the year but didn't turn them in until the playoffs.
So.... That Karma thing strikes again!
Should be a requirement for schools to show proof before the season that players are eligible to prevent these things...paper trail...
Quote from: CHG Hornet on November 30, 2017, 07:38:07 pm
Not sure what the best fair way to fix this is. I wouldn't agree with just giving Foreman a free pass, but I think Mineral Springs is getting hosed too. I think I would have seen how soon Mineral Springs and Salem could be ready to play each other, then let the winner go to Foreman. I also see where Marked Tree got hosed out of a home playoff game instead of having to go to #1 Mt. Ida.
The solution may be that there's not a good solution. Earle's errors have affected so many people. Not a good situation.
It has also affected your game... shame on earle's coach
Question... Do you think they would've self reported if the state had NOT taken over? Wonder if this is going on in basketball also?🤔
Several players were 21 years old. But no matter Foreman was gonna take em to the woodshed
Quote from: Markadomous on November 30, 2017, 08:07:30 pm
Several players were 21 years old. But no matter Foreman was gonna take em to the woodshed
Wait...what?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 07:43:51 pm
Only way to really fix this error is to start involving legitimate fines to the schools....
Agreed.... +1
Quote from: Markadomous on November 30, 2017, 08:07:30 pm
Several players were 21 years old. But no matter Foreman was gonna take em to the woodshed
I thought the law was that once a "student" turns 21, they cannot attend high school anymore.......or maybe that's what this whole thing is about.
So is it false that a Marion coach turned them in? Because that is what I have been hearing. Which would explain the earlier post about Earle not participating in Marion bball tournaments anymore as well as the whole "Marion is gonna pay" comment.
Quote from: nightowl on November 30, 2017, 05:56:25 pm
Marion School district will pay for this one . We will never play in there tournaments again there money maker game
This is the post I am referencing.
There isn't an easy fix. Not at all. They have been handed a turd on a plate. They cannot possibly go back to the beginning of conference or make it absolutely 100% fair to everyone. This is truly a despicable ordeal created by Earl. It has sent a tidal wave across the entire AA State. They knew he was ineligible. Now AAA has made their decision on how to handle it. We have to role on from here. Because any other decisions they could have made would be equally contested as this one. I sincerely hate it for all the kids. Character, or lack there of, has caused this.
Quote from: CHG Hornet on November 30, 2017, 08:17:09 pm
I thought the law was that once a "student" turns 21, they cannot attend high school anymore.......or maybe that's what this whole thing is about.
Who says they actually attended class?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 07:43:51 pm
Only way to really fix this error is to start involving legitimate fines to the schools....
"Rule 3. PENALTY FOR USE OF INELIGIBLE PLAYER.
The use of any ineligible participant/student in any interscholastic contest will result in one or more of the following actions based upon the facts and findings:
A.Forfeiture of the contest
B.The specific sport during which the ineligible player was used will be placed on probation status for up
to one (1) calendar year
C.The ineligible participant/student may be suspended from further competition and any activity, as
determined by the Executive Director
D.The school may be fined up to $500.00
In determining the penalty concerning the use of an ineligible participant/student, the Executive Director
may consider whether the participant/student had a significant impact on the game. What is a significant
impact will vary with the sport and circumstances of the contest; however, such facts as follows will be
among the items considered:
A.Amount of participation
B.Whether the ineligible participant/student scored points or participated in other plays that had an
impact on the winning or losing of the game.
C.What the school could have or should have known
D.Whether a school self reports
If the ineligible participant/student has provided the school false information upon which the student was
certified to have been eligible, a penalty against the school may be set aside or modified. However, in the
cases of transfer students, where legitimate errors or omissions in the official school transcript as received
are proved, such player must be withdrawn from participation upon discovery of the error without penalty
to the school.
Ineligible players may not dress out for interscholastic competitions."
http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Admin/2016-17_AAA_Handbook_abs.pdf
Quote from: bleudog on November 30, 2017, 08:23:07 pm
"Rule 3. PENALTY FOR USE OF INELIGIBLE PLAYER.
The use of any ineligible participant/student in any interscholastic contest will result in one or more of the following actions based upon the facts and findings:
A.Forfeiture of the contest
B.The specific sport during which the ineligible player was used will be placed on probation status for up
to one (1) calendar year
C.The ineligible participant/student may be suspended from further competition and any activity, as
determined by the Executive Director
D.The school may be fined up to $500.00
In determining the penalty concerning the use of an ineligible participant/student, the Executive Director
may consider whether the participant/student had a significant impact on the game. What is a significant
impact will vary with the sport and circumstances of the contest; however, such facts as follows will be
among the items considered:
A.Amount of participation
B.Whether the ineligible participant/student scored points or participated in other plays that had an
impact on the winning or losing of the game.
C.What the school could have or should have known
D.Whether a school self reports
If the ineligible participant/student has provided the school false information upon which the student was
certified to have been eligible, a penalty against the school may be set aside or modified. However, in the
cases of transfer students, where legitimate errors or omissions in the official school transcript as received
are proved, such player must be withdrawn from participation upon discovery of the error without penalty
to the school.
Ineligible players may not dress out for interscholastic competitions."
http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Admin/2016-17_AAA_Handbook_abs.pdf
If Earle actually had home fans show up, I'd say that's a slap on the wrist payable just from concessions....anyway, should increase that fine some...$500 doesn't seem like much if a deterrent...
But then again Earle did misplace 2 million dollars, which is why the state took them over....
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Went and dug up the thread....In that case player in question had used up her elgibilility because the 8 semester clock had run out(she played varsity basketball in Alaska in the 8th grade) and appeal was filed after the semifinals game (which she dropped 40 on #1 team in state), and AAA ruled that Conway could play on finals, but the player was now inelgible and had to sit.
Same year, Guy-Perkins girls got pulled out of either district or region tournament for same thing, having to forfeit the year.
Believe the Lamar case people have referenced on this thread...Kids we're ruled elgible, then AAA backtracked and ruled them inelgible, which caused Lamar to get the court system involved...
Always interesting to see the AAA history of flipping flopping how they handle stuff...
I've read a lot of negative comments about our program and I've even heard several flat out lies, people are pointing the finger and making excuses. Bottom line is that this is a issue of the 8 Semester clock and these things have to get checked and double checked. Regardless of what anyone has to say or think, the man I know as our Head Coach and Assistant Coaches would never risk their season by knowingly playing an ineligible player.
Quote from: Champ74 on November 30, 2017, 08:27:25 pm
I've read a lot of negative comments about our program and I've even heard several flat out lies, people are pointing the finger and making excuses. Bottom line is that this is a issue of the 8 Semester clock and these things have to get checked and double checked. Regardless of what anyone has to say or think, the man I know as our Head Coach and Assistant Coaches would never risk their season by knowingly playing an ineligible player.
props for showing up! Thought all you guys were in witness protection by now!
The problem is the "appearance of impropriety ". The school has been taken over by the state, money is missing and kids are playing sports that are ineligible. That may be the end of it all but you can bet that if I was doing the investigation... I would be digging deeper. Jus sayin
Quote from: hornets23byers on November 30, 2017, 03:57:53 pm
Eligibility was already up ...
Rule 7. SEMESTERS.
A.Junior High. A student has six semesters of opportunity for eligibility. A student repeating either the
seventh or eighth grade for any reason shall not have the opportunity for eligibility during the complete
year that is repeated.
B. Senior High. A student is limited to eight consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility
beginning with the student's first enrollment in the ninth grade (or earlier as defined in Rule 8. Age,
Note).
Note 1: A ninth grade student may compete for the junior high or for the senior high in the same
member school district with separate campuses with permission from the involved principals. (Refer to
Bylaws, Art. II, Section 7, Rule 1 - Classification of Students.)
Note 2: A student first entering an AAA member school at the beginning of the tenth grade shall have
six consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility; at the beginning of the 11
thgrade shall have four consecutive semesters of eligibility; and, at the beginning of the 12th
grade shall have two consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility.
1. If a ninth grade student competes for the junior high, the student may then compete at the senior
high level after the completion of that junior high sport season. A ninth grade student may not
compete for the senior high and return later to compete for the junior high in the same sport.
2. Semesters are applied toward the limitations regardless of the following:
a. if the school doesn't offer a sport; or
b .if the student doesn't participate, or
c. if the student isn't eligible; or
d. if the student's earlier enrollment was in a different school system.
NOTE: The fifth and sixth semesters (normally the 9th grade) are applied toward both the junior
and senior high limitations. This is due to the rule allowing the school's administration to permit a
9th grade student to participate at either level. (Refer to Bylaws, Art.II, Section 7, Rule 1 - Classification of Students).
3. A 7th or 8th grade student who is ineligible for junior high athletics due only to the age rule may be
eligible to participate in senior high. (Refer to Bylaws, Art. II, Section 7, Rule 1 -Classification of Students.)
4. A student is limited to a total of 12 semesters of opportunity for eligibility upon entering the seventh
grade. The final eight semesters shall be consecutive.
http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Admin/2016-17_AAA_Handbook_abs.pdf
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 08:26:21 pm
If Earle actually had home fans show up, I'd say that's a slap on the wrist payable just from concessions....anyway, should increase that fine some...$500 doesn't seem like much if a deterrent...
But then again Earle did misplace 2 million dollars, which is why the state took them over....
I agree with the $500 being too small. But then again, I think a school that disbands their team in mid-season should have to pay a sizable fine to away game opponents for all games it had scheduled but can't play.
And I don't think a school should put kids at risk to keep a season going. Just don't start something there's a good chance you can't finish.
And the $2 mil should be criminal.
Quote from: Champ74 on November 30, 2017, 08:27:25 pm
I've read a lot of negative comments about our program and I've even heard several flat out lies, people are pointing the finger and making excuses. Bottom line is that this is a issue of the 8 Semester clock and these things have to get checked and double checked. Regardless of what anyone has to say or think, the man I know as our Head Coach and Assistant Coaches would never risk their season by knowingly playing an ineligible player.
So, the ruling in 2007 would have been player sits, Earle plays Friday night...
Is that why Earle has filed the injunction?
If Earle has to forfeit, they forfeit to MS , not just Salem. It is unreasonable to replay the entire season. The playoffs should be the only concern. You can't reward Salem without rewarding MS.
Quote from: bigworm on November 30, 2017, 06:34:17 pm
If they went back to the first theyd have to go back to 1st game of conference season. Haha. 0-7 dont even make the playoffs.
AAA is a joke. There was a team in the 2A finals last year just as guilty as earle. Do what ever ya want football coaches. 99 of 100 times you wont get caught.
False. AAA was at that school multiple times and never found evidence that anything of the sort was going on.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 08:40:52 pm
So, the ruling in 2007 would have been player sits, Earle plays Friday night...
Is that why Earle has filed the injunction?
Post on FB makes it sound like parents are trying to fundraise for a lawyer to file injunction, who knows status. Sad situation. AC is from here in Lake Village, we had a RB transfer up there to play this season. Good young man. Sad for those kids. They weren't the ones who created the problem.
Quote from: stuck in between on November 30, 2017, 04:10:36 pm
I hate to hear this for the kids at Earle that worked their tail off to get to the semifinals. There are people at fault, but those people are not the kids. My question is how did the Triple A decide to give Salem the second chance and not Mineral Springs or any of the other teams that Earle defeated in the season? What position are they putting Salem in considering they have already turned their pads in for the year? No win situation here.
You would think Salem should play Mineral Springs too see who plays Foreman. . Then there's the 6 seed from the 3-2A conference that missed the play offs. Sad.smh.
Quote from: hesmine_lionpride on November 30, 2017, 06:23:10 pm
It is Salem because they can not go back to the beginning of the bracket. If they went back to the second round then they'd need to go back to the first...not going to happen
Earle had a first rd bye.
I think it's been handled the right way. A lot of people have gotten a bad draw. Go back to the last opponent they "beat" and put them in. What would we do if they would have played and best Foreman and then all of this came out? How would MS,Salem and Foreman all figure out who would play Mt. Ida in the championship game? Would be basically playing a whole quadrant over. It's still technically unfair for Salem to only have one week to prepare for Foreman's two weeks. Foreman moves on no matter their opponent.
What a mess this is.
Quote from: Dapper Dan on November 30, 2017, 08:42:58 pm
False. AAA was at that school multiple times and never found evidence that anything of the sort was going on.
Just because they didn't find something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Really!!? No one will ever make me believe that wasn't fishy.
Quote from: Old Scrapper on November 30, 2017, 08:30:08 pm
props for showing up! Thought all you guys were in witness protection by now!
Scrapper we were built for this ish... No run from this Dog...
I remember watching Football Friday Night and they were showing highlights of Earle playing whoever anyway a runningback from Earle scored a td and the sports commentator said good run by the Earle player who name is not known.
Quote from: RoadWarrior on November 30, 2017, 05:22:14 pm
1 kid transferred in 3 years ago from Marion and he failed 9th grade when he was there. Moved to Earle and played from 9th grade up to now. "5th year senior" SMH
Still eligible unless he met the state age limit, gotta turn 19 before sept. Gets 8 semesters of eligibilty, so as long as he didn't play at marion...
Quote from: Dapper Dan on November 30, 2017, 08:42:58 pm
False. AAA was at that school multiple times and never found evidence that anything of the sort was going on.
You just validated my point. Like i said J O K E. They show up. They ask a few questions. They leave. Pathetic excuse for an athletic governing body. Again......carry on coaches. Do what ya like. Dont turn yourself in and you will be fine.
Quote from: ISU7 on November 30, 2017, 09:22:23 pm
I remember watching Football Friday Night and they were showing highlights of Earle playing whoever anyway a runningback from Earle scored a td and the sports commentator said good run by the Earle player who name is not known.
I think he had 3 tds against salem
Quote from: bigworm on November 30, 2017, 09:39:01 pm
You just validated my point. Like i said J O K E. They show up. They ask a few questions. They leave. Pathetic excuse for an athletic governing body. Again......carry on coaches. Do what ya like. Dont turn yourself in and you will be fine.
Plz tell us more about the AAA showing up to Earle earlier?
When? Why? Who came from the AAA?
This whole ordeal is created by the admin and coaching staff how long has transgressions like this been taking place at Earle. Should investigate all those b-ball championships. They have proven with this that they will cheat to win.
Quote from: underdog678 on November 30, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
I have heard Salem gets to play Foreman instead of Mineral Springs because Mineral Springs lost to Earle by 20, while Salem lost to Earle by 19. Therefor Salem gets to advance.
No what happen here and I hate to say it when they descover something like that the last team they played if it's in the playoff move on so if they fine out in the 1st round that other team who have move on if it was the 2ed round and they found out then that team move on if it's quarter final then that team move on and so on it's the last team that played them when they fine out
Quote from: ISU7 on November 30, 2017, 09:22:23 pm
I remember watching Football Friday Night and they were showing highlights of Earle playing whoever anyway a runningback from Earle scored a td and the sports commentator said good run by the Earle player who name is not known.
8) :o :o
Quote from: nightowl on November 30, 2017, 05:56:25 pm
Marion School district will pay for this one . We will never play in there tournaments again there money maker game
Because you cheated?
HOrsefeathers please post the link that says Earle is fighting it. Thank u
Quote from: Mr. Trill on November 30, 2017, 10:15:17 pm
HOrsefeathers please post the link that says Earle is fighting it. Thank u
This might be where that started.
https://twitter.com/collins_peeples/status/936367665937047552
Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 30, 2017, 09:29:51 pm
Still eligible unless he met the state age limit, gotta turn 19 before sept. Gets 8 semesters of eligibilty, so as long as he didn't play at marion...
If it's the kid I'm thinking of he transferred when he was a junior. He never played at Marion because he was never eligible to play.
This is so sad for Earle. I have watched these kids since youth football be nothing but successful (Yes only with Earle kids) . This is a great Sr class that had a chance to make history. All of this blame falls on the AD and HC for not abiding by the rules and verifying there players eligibility.
1) If the hearsay is even remotely accurate, this is a completely different situation than the one mentioned with Conway.
2) Regarding that situation, I still don't understand where that girl was in the wrong. Playing varsity in the 8th grade was within the rules in Alaska. There must be something I'm missing.
3) In this situation, Foreman should simply be advanced to the finals. At what point do you draw the line while moving backwards to all the teams affected. One round? The first round? All season? To simply go back one round and then stop seems arbitrary when you also decide it is significant enough to completely reschedule the entire tournament affecting all remaining teams.
Quote from: Ice Water on November 30, 2017, 10:48:08 pm
1) If the hearsay is even remotely accurate, this is a completely different situation than the one mentioned with Conway.
2) Regarding that situation, I still don't understand where that girl was in the wrong. Playing varsity in the 8th grade was within the rules in Alaska. There must be something I'm missing.
3) In this situation, Foreman should simply be advanced to the finals. At what point do you draw the line while moving backwards to all the teams affected. One round? The first round? All season? To simply go back one round and then stop seems arbitrary when you also decide it is significant enough to completely reschedule the entire tournament affecting all remaining teams.
I see your point. Everyone else on Earle's schedule gets W's for their matchups Foreman should too.
I'm not saying anything to i know real information. Until then, I'm going to have a seat.
Quote from: Coltfan2005 on November 30, 2017, 09:29:51 pm
Still eligible unless he met the state age limit, gotta turn 19 before sept. Gets 8 semesters of eligibilty, so as long as he didn't play at marion...
The 8 semesters begin in 9th grade regardless of whether the student played athletics. From the start of 9th grade, the clock (8 semesters eligibility) begins. In your interpretation, it sounds as if a student waits until their senior year, then that only counts as 2 semesters, which would be inaccurate. Sorry if you meant differently, thats just what it sounds like from reading it.
Quote from: Wonderdog on November 30, 2017, 11:59:34 pm
The 8 semesters begin in 9th grade regardless of whether the student played athletics. From the start of 9th grade, the clock (8 semesters eligibility) begins. In your interpretation, it sounds as if a student waits until their senior year, then that only counts as 2 semesters, which would be inaccurate. Sorry if you meant differently, thats just what it sounds like from reading it.
Quote from: Dapper Dan on November 30, 2017, 11:38:25 pm
I see your point. Everyone else on Earle's schedule gets W's for their matchups Foreman should too.
Can't change the rules now. Salem plays because rules must be followed. Earle didn't follow them so there out. AAA advanced Salem because that is what the rule book says to do in this situation.
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 01, 2017, 12:03:41 am
Dang another week on pick ems I get to pick against Salem..lol Sorry Greyhound #1 Foreman wins by 21 8)
the optimism of greyhound makes me not want to be the dikk but Salem will get beat bad... this is a total mismatch.
Quote from: ISU7 on December 01, 2017, 12:24:16 am
Dang another week on pick ems I get to pick against Salem..lol Sorry Greyhound #1 Foreman wins by 21 8)
Lol, I mean the odds of you picking against us has to be getting better for us right. You can't be right every time. Next week is the time for ISU7 to be wrong. Maybe you should go out limb here. Maybe it's just meant to be.
Quote from: Eslim03 on December 01, 2017, 12:48:46 am
the optimism of greyhound makes me not want to be the dikk but Salem will get beat bad... this is a total mismatch.
Based on what exactly?
Earle might file an injuction. Rumour is they will decide tommorrow.
Quote from: Missco on December 01, 2017, 01:04:06 am
Earle might file an injuction. Rumour is they will decide tommorrow.
Lol, they forfeited there own games from what I understand. What's the injunction for ? They have to tell the judge they didn't mean to tell AAA that they didn't mean to forfeit the games. And let's just for fun, the judge says Earle no longer forfeits there games. So now then the AAA would just rule that they will force them to forfeit. Then another injunction by Earle. Now then the judge could say AAA was wrong. If u call AAA and say hey we cheated and we forfeit our games for the year. AAA then turns and notified all parties involved that games have been forfeited. A injunction filing wouldn't make any since. I guess they could file and delay the 2a playoffs and again causing more problems for all teams involved. I think Earle will to the right thing here.
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 01, 2017, 01:40:51 am
Lol, they forfeited there own games from what I understand. What's the injunction for ? They have to tell the judge they didn't mean to tell AAA that they didn't mean to forfeit the games. And let's just for fun, the judge says Earle no longer forfeits there games. So now then the AAA would just rule that they will force them to forfeit. Then another injunction by Earle. Now then the judge could say AAA was wrong. If u call AAA and say hey we cheated and we forfeit our games for the year. AAA then turns and notified all parties involved that games have been forfeited. A injunction filing wouldn't make any since. I guess they could file and delay the 2a playoffs and again causing more problems for all teams involved. I think Earle will to the right thing here.
If that were the case...we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with...
Quote from: whoknows on December 01, 2017, 02:33:47 am
If that were the case...we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with...
+1000
It is the head coach as well as the ADs job to figure out eligibility, you figure out these things before the season, they dropped the ball, and reading that the kid wasnt even listed means they knowingly played that kid. The Administration has been replaced, maybe the coach should also.
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 01, 2017, 12:08:42 am
Can't change the rules now. Salem plays because rules must be followed. Earle didn't follow them so there out. AAA advanced Salem because that is what the rule book says to do in this situation.
Do you know where that rule book can be found?
Sports Writer in West Memphis reported last night that Earle will decide on an injunction today sometime...apparently Marion's Paperwork shows the kid in question is in his 9th semester of Eligibility, but Earle is claiming their paperwork shows he's in #8.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 30, 2017, 07:00:30 pm
Went and dug up the thread....In that case player in question had used up her elgibilility because the 8 semester clock had run out(she played varsity basketball in Alaska in the 8th grade) and appeal was filed after the semifinals game (which she dropped 40 on #1 team in state), and AAA ruled that Conway could play on finals, but the player was now inelgible and had to sit.
Same year, Guy-Perkins girls got pulled out of either district or region tournament for same thing, having to forfeit the year.
Believe the Lamar case people have referenced on this thread...Kids we're ruled elgible, then AAA backtracked and ruled them inelgible, which caused Lamar to get the court system involved...
Always interesting to see the AAA history of flipping flopping how they handle stuff...
Good job! I knew it was something like that. I knew it was a messed up ruling by AAA don't know if something in the handbook has changed that would protect them this go around. Allowing other schools to play for championships after using an ineligible player is probably why Earl is filing the injunction. They might have something...
The obvious thing to do is just give foreman the bye, choosing a team to fill in opens up pandoras box, you cant make it right by filling in because other teams were affected, but theAAA aint gonna miss a gate. I wonder what the cost is to rent the stadium for 1 night, orobably alot more tham they would get off a gate.
Can't give a 2 seed a bye and have two 1 seeds playing.
U can because I theory it would be a forfeit win.. but I'm cool with an extra week and Salem comeing too town
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 07:23:37 am
Sports Writer in West Memphis reported last night that Earle will decide on an injunction today sometime...apparently Marion's Paperwork shows the kid in question is in his 9th semester of Eligibility, but Earle is claiming their paperwork shows he's in #8.
They've been playing with this fire for years. I know a coach who had paperwork proof in hand a few years ago on a West Memphis kid playing for them but didn't have to use it. Anyone who says cheaters never win aint ever played with cheaters.
Quote from: Oldman on December 01, 2017, 08:20:29 am
They've been playing with this fire for years. I know a coach who had paperwork proof in hand a few years ago on a West Memphis kid playing for them but didn't have to use it. Anyone who says cheaters never win aint ever played with cheaters.
I've heard this as well....not specifically the west memphis kid, but the whole never knowing who's gonna pop up on their team..
Quote from: littleman on December 01, 2017, 07:35:15 am
The obvious thing to do is just give foreman the bye, choosing a team to fill in opens up pandoras box, you cant make it right by filling in because other teams were affected, but theAAA aint gonna miss a gate. I wonder what the cost is to rent the stadium for 1 night, orobably alot more tham they would get off a gate.
Oh you know AAA isn't going to miss a gate for sure, really surprised they don't let Mineral Springs and Salem play just so they could get that extra gate. What a mess! There needs to be some "house cleaning" at Earle and I'm starting to wonder about the AAA. Are there term limits for the leadership there? Is it strictly appointment? Understand this is a strange and bizarre case they are dealing with but they seem to be hit and miss with some of their judgements and decisions. It seems like you only get in trouble if you self report, which then would bear the question what's the need for a governing body?
Quote from: FilmCrew on November 30, 2017, 07:45:22 pm
Don't cry to long for Mineral Springs..They had a player a couple of years ago that lived in Mineral and Played for Nashville. It came to light late in the playoffs but they allowed him to play because the school that turned them in knew in the beginning of the year but didn't turn them in until the playoffs.
So.... That Karma thing strikes again!
You have your town names reversed. I fixed it for you.
So we are the only team not allowed to get transfers in, heck several teams including Marion, West Memphis and a few big names from the Little Rock and Springdale area actively attempted to recruit Bohanon for years out of Earle so what are you saying? In this case everyone only see what has happened at Earle but what about the coach that made this an issue at the AAA playing the kid 2 years as a 9th grader and not revealing that information when the transfer occurred! Do the math, ineligiblity follows you. Also Lamar and Conway had similar situations and probably some of you all do also. Regardless the new policy going forward is not allow transfers to participate in sports and that will cut the head off the snake for the future athletic programs.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 07:23:37 am
Sports Writer in West Memphis reported last night that Earle will decide on an injunction today sometime...apparently Marion's Paperwork shows the kid in question is in his 9th semester of Eligibility, but Earle is claiming their paperwork shows he's in #8.
Not possible unless Earle altered paperwork. And if they did alter it they should have altered it correctly. Should it have been an honest mistake he would show to be in his 7th semester. Unless he moved from 8th to 9th grade midway through his 8th grade year. Judging by how he couldn't graduate in 8 semesters I'm guessing he didn't move up grades early.
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 01, 2017, 12:08:42 am
Can't change the rules now. Salem plays because rules must be followed. Earle didn't follow them so there out. AAA advanced Salem because that is what the rule book says to do in this situation.
Show me the rule sir!
Don't think they have any rules for this type of mess...that's why Mr. Taylor will just wing it as he sees fit
Quote from: youhavenoidea on December 01, 2017, 09:06:57 am
Don't think they have any rules for this type of mess...that's why Mr. Taylor will just wing it as he sees fit
Reply 113 and 118
Quote from: bleudog on December 01, 2017, 09:29:00 am
Reply 113 and 118
Thanks but I was referring to the actual decision of replacing teams and deciding how to move forward with the playoffs in regard to a team being disqualified in this manner. I understand that the forfeiting of games and seasons are established in guidelines of the governing body that is known as the AAA. However, this case is one that is determined in which a team has used a player illegally all season and entered the playoffs and participated with said player illegally against not one but two separate teams. Therefore a ruling must be prepared that benefits not just one team but two teams fairly. I'm not sure as search the AAA has any case that is similar to this case at all, however I will continue to look.
Only precedent I know of was in 2001....Clarksville had to forfeit the season after round 1. Farmington(whom they beat that round) moved on to the second round. AAA could be in uncharted waters...and with Earle looking to file an injunction, and Mineral Springs considering their own lawsuit this could turn into a bigger mess than what it already appears to be...
If they self reported... it should be a done deal. Take your medicine. They should've researched it beforehand instead of jumping the gun
I bet if the AAA had it to do over again they would have just given Foreman the win and moved on.
Quote from: Bildo on December 01, 2017, 10:13:52 am
If they self reported... it should be a done deal. Take your medicine. They should've researched it beforehand instead of jumping the gun
Rumor has it, by self reported.....AAA meant that they got a tip that player was inelgible, they called earlier and they cooperated with investigation.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 10:18:55 am
Rumor has it, by self reported.....AAA meant that they got a tip that player was inelgible, they called earlier and they cooperated with investigation.
Its obvious there was an attempt to cover this up. IMO. If the state doesn't take over Earle a few weeks ago. This doesn't happen.
Exactly
Quote from: Bigditchlion on November 30, 2017, 09:19:46 pm
Just because they didn't find something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Really!!? No one will ever make me believe that wasn't fishy.
Man you and BIGWORM need to move on. Hampton thumped that head last year get over it. As far as this goes Earle knew they did wrong that's why they turned themselves in.
Quote from: bleudog on December 01, 2017, 09:29:00 am
Reply 113 and 118
All due respect but those are rules on Why you have the forfeits not on what to do in the events after the declaration of a forfeit. My point is they have no Policy on what to do and it's arbitrarily determined by the Executive Director. There needs to be a standard set and if a lawyer gets involved maybe they will set one. No one need the ability to play God! This has gone no further than Steve Roberts the football director.
Quote from: COACH-Mike on December 01, 2017, 11:04:58 am
All due respect but those are rules on Why you have the forfeits not on what to do in the events after the declaration of a forfeit. My point is they have no Policy on what to do and it's arbitrarily determined by the Executive Director. There needs to be a standard set and if a lawyer gets involved maybe they will set one. No one need the ability to play God! This has gone no further than Steve Roberts the football director.
Did you really just compare making a ruling about football to playing god?
I'm just gonna sign off on this thread now....Good Luck to y'all on this...
Quote from: littleman on December 01, 2017, 07:35:15 am
The obvious thing to do is just give foreman the bye, choosing a team to fill in opens up pandoras box, you cant make it right by filling in because other teams were affected, but theAAA aint gonna miss a gate. I wonder what the cost is to rent the stadium for 1 night, orobably alot more tham they would get off a gate.
Having Foreman play Salem is still pretty much giving them a bye.
Why didn't they send a team to play Arkadelphia in round one if thats what the is in the rule book?
They could do a coin flip kinda like Friday night lights
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 11:07:29 am
Did you really just compare making a ruling about football to playing god?
I'm just gonna sign off on this thread now....Good Luck to y'all on this...
Figuratively speaking my friend. Please.
I blame the AAA, if they deny that they have known Earle bending or breaking the rules for years, they are flat out lying.
Salem needs to stand up to the AAA and not play the game. Momma's have already taken that last selfie with their Sr. The lockers have been cleaned out, offseason baseball has started for some and the others have moved on to basketball. Salem doesnt want to advance with an asterisk. Just another everybody loses situation. C'mon Salem stand up to the AAA and tell them the season is over.
Quote from: TruthHurts on December 01, 2017, 11:36:29 am
Salem needs to stand up to the AAA and not play the game. Momma's have already taken that last selfie with their Sr. The lockers have been cleaned out, offseason baseball has started for some and the others have moved on to basketball. Salem doesnt want to advance with an asterisk. Just another everybody loses situation. C'mon Salem stand up to the AAA and tell them the season is over.
As wild as some may think that sounds.... I agree with you.
Quote from: beach bum on December 01, 2017, 11:39:38 am
As wild as some may think that sounds.... I agree with you.
Lol, that's not gonna happen.
I really hate this for Earle. I talk a lot noise but i love to watching good football. I speak with buddy of mine that's from Earle last night said kids was really hurt and the coaches really was unaware of the situation. He also said that coaches will not allow one kid cost their season if they had known he was over his semesters. The question is that whoever send this in or if AAA was aware of this early why now until semi finals pop this up it should happen at begin of the season. It doesn't make sense some schools get punish hard then other schools. He also said that AAA has being on Earle all year long they didn't allow them to play in ESPN game also take away Hootens Classic game from them now they said they taken their championship season around. I hope Gerry sign with Arkansas but probably not now thanks to AAA.
Quote from: sheepdawg92 on December 01, 2017, 11:58:05 am
I really hate this for Earle. I talk a lot noise but i love to watching good football. I speak with buddy of mine that's from Earle last night said kids was really hurt and the coaches really was unaware of the situation. He also said that coaches will not allow one kid cost their season if they had known he was over his semesters. The question is that whoever send this in or if AAA was aware of this early why now until semi finals pop this up it should happen at begin of the season. It doesn't make sense some schools get punish hard then other schools. He also said that AAA has being on Earle all year long they didn't allow them to play in ESPN game also take away Hootens Classic game from them now they said they taken their championship season around. I hope Gerry sign with Arkansas but probably not now thanks to AAA.
Don't blame anyone else but Earle. The fact that you said the coach was "unaware" is a problem in itself.
This post somewhat is ok but at the end it gets dumb...if all the school would just leave the aaa and start a new association we could resolve all the dumb stuff and actually have rules set in place they can actually determine something or go by besides one person sitting behind a table deciding everyones fate.
In California:
The key is that the ineligible player was found after the league submitted its playoff entries, which means Team A will be allowed to continue to play in the playoffs.
The rule to keep the team in the playoffs was put in to prevent somebody from holding back information just to spring the evidence right before the playoffs start. The individual is punished, not the team.
In Oklahoma:
A. The minimum penalty for the participation of an ineligible student during the regular season is the forfeiture of all contests in which the student participated. For exceptions to this regulation, refer to Board Policy XXXIX in the 2017-18 OSSAA Administrators Handbook.
B. The minimum penalty for the participation of an ineligible student during the play-offs is the forfeiture of most recently played game.
Arkansas:
I can't find any rule.
Pretty crappy deal. That rule california has makes perfect sense. It is suppossed to be about the kids.
Anybody know the contract details on renting WMS. Did the WMS folks swap with no charge or is moving next week's 2A championship game costing somebody? Is moving it one week a freebie but moving it two weeks might have cost something extra? There's no way it would have been reaonable to ask Mineral or any school to play on two days notice. Going back two rounds would add two weeks to the process. It's a mess.
Quote from: bleudog on December 01, 2017, 12:15:20 pm
Anybody know the contract details on renting WMS. Did the WMS folks swap with no charge or is moving next week's 2A championship game costing somebody? Is moving it one week a freebie but moving it two weeks might have cost something extra? There's no way it would have been reaonable to ask Mineral or any school to play on two days notice. Going back two rounds would add two weeks to the process. It's a mess.
Mineral playing Foreman would generate quite a chunk. I think everyone in the area would fill that stadium up. It is a mess and we will try and help them fix it in the future by forcing them to adopt some policy on these type matters.
The sad part is Marion waiting until now.
Quote from: Missco on December 01, 2017, 12:28:34 pm
The sad part is Marion waiting until now.
No, the sad part is Earle playing an ineligible player.
Quote from: Missco on December 01, 2017, 12:28:34 pm
The sad part is Marion waiting until now.
Marion literally had nothing to do with it. It's not like anyone there waited until they got in the Semi's to ruin their season on purpose. That's ridiculous. The SAD PART is a head coach not knowing who is eligible or ineligible on his team.
Also, it's not like Marion or West Memphis lose their best players to a 2A school. I honestly doubt any coach or administrator is worried enough about Earle to ruin their season.
Quote from: COACH-Mike on December 01, 2017, 12:21:11 pm
Mineral playing Foreman would generate quite a chunk. I think everyone in the area would fill that stadium up. It is a mess and we will try and help them fix it in the future by forcing them to adopt some policy on these type matters.
C-M, I wouldn't doubt replaying a second round game at somebody's home stadium would be a money maker. I just wasn't sure if the availability/cost/penalty/etc of WMS was any factor in the resolution process. Sure there are other venues available but you'd hate to have to pay twice for a championship game.
Bulldog Nation strikes AGAIN!!!
It is ridiculous to try and blame anyone but the Earle Coaches, Athletic Director and administrators for playing a kid they absolutely knew was ineligible. You only got caught because of the state takeover of Earle and the new superintendant who realized a player was NOT on any roster or AAA filing of players. I can't believe the players and parents don't want them fired!
Only Marion knew that they had played the kid 2 consecutive years in the 9th grade.
I haven't read through all the posts in this thread so I'll apologize now it this was brought up earlier.
I feel extremely bad for this kid. The way this world is now, there will be some that blame this kid for ruining their chance for a State Championship. That is something this kid shouldn't have to carry the rest of his life. It's not his responsibility to know these rules. That falls on the Coaches and Administration.
To the fans of Earle, please let this kid know it was not his fault.
Quote from: Champ74 on December 01, 2017, 12:54:52 pm
Only Marion knew that they had played the kid 2 consecutive years in the 9th grade.
And? Shouldn't have played him without knowing where he came from and why.
Quote from: MTINDIANFAN on December 01, 2017, 01:02:15 pm
I haven't read through all the posts in this thread so I'll apologize now it this was brought up earlier.
I feel extremely bad for this kid. The way this world is now, there will be some that blame this kid for ruining their chance for a State Championship. That is something this kid shouldn't have to carry the rest of his life. It's not his responsibility to know these rules. That falls on the Coaches and Administration.
To the fans of Earle, please let this kid know it was not his fault.
How is it not partly his fault? You Don't Think he knew he wasn't eligible? I highly doubt that.
The State took over the Earle school district. I believe they are the ones who caught this. Earle administration and Coaches knew they were playing an ineligible players. There was rumors last year that a kid from Marion was ineligible. If he turned 19 before September 1st last year he was ineligible then too.
Playmaker, he didn't turn 19 before the deadline, it's not age, it's 8th Semesters rule.
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So injunction or no injunction
Quote from: Champ74 on December 01, 2017, 01:13:14 pm
Playmaker, he didn't turn 19 before the deadline, it's not age, it's 8th Semesters rule.
so he played 10 semesters instead of 8?
Quote from: playmaker04 on December 01, 2017, 01:53:41 pm
so he played 10 semesters instead of 8?
Nope, he played 2 times as a ninth grader in Marion.
Looks like Earle is filing an injunction according to a Memphis newspaper.
Quote from: Champ74 on December 01, 2017, 01:59:41 pm
Nope, he played 2 times as a ninth grader in Marion.
ok so that's 4 semesters. 10th,11th and 12th grade would be 6. That equals 10 semesters. Can't play over 8 semesters.
Earl won't have much longer till they will have to consolidate with Marion or West Memphis
Quote from: M.I. D on December 01, 2017, 02:22:40 pm
Looks like Earle is filing an injunction according to a Memphis newspaper.
They said they were thinking about it. That's a little different then filing one.
Any news on the injunction?
I talked some guys at work from the E and they won't give me nothing. I would assume they would try and get it done today but who knows
Quote from: bdubyab60 on December 01, 2017, 03:39:32 pm
I talked some guys at work from the E and they won't give me nothing. I would assume they would try and get it done today but who knows
I see what you did there...
https://www.morrisbart.com/
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on December 01, 2017, 01:06:54 pm
How is it not partly his fault? You Don't Think he knew he wasn't eligible? I highly doubt that.
So, you are telling me that all your PA football players are given the AAA rule book and are expected to know it before they even put on pads. I HIGHLY doubt that.
Quote from: MTINDIANFAN on December 01, 2017, 04:00:44 pm
So, you are telling me that all your PA football players are given the AAA rule book and are expected to know it before they even put on pads. I HIGHLY doubt that.
I have no idea about PA. I would think a kid knows you can't do 9th grade twice and play both years. Not to mention he had to hear people who do know talk about it.
So you think he is totally innocent? I HIGHLY doubt that. See I know how to use my cap lock button as well.
All the party's involved knew that's why he wasn't on the roster of max preps or did they post any of his highlights. Geeze!!!
this young man may have thought you had 6 semesters in 7-9 and 6 semester 10-12. he may not have realized that the 9th grade year counts for both jr high and sr high.
Quote from: Wonderdog on November 30, 2017, 08:17:24 pm
So is it false that a Marion coach turned them in? Because that is what I have been hearing. Which would explain the earlier post about Earle not participating in Marion bball tournaments anymore as well as the whole "Marion is gonna pay" comment.
it is being reported that they "self-reported" the Marion coach may have made the new superintendent aware of the problem. I don't know.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on December 01, 2017, 04:04:59 pm
I have no idea about PA. I would think a kid knows you can't do 9th grade twice and play both years. Not to mention he had to hear people who do know talk about it.
So you think he is totally innocent? I HIGHLY doubt that. See I know how to use my cap lock button as well.
I agree that the kid probably knew. Eligibility is constantly talked about.
I can remember a few years back Danville put Cross County out of play-offs, then went to Junction City next week and lost. After that they admitted cheating and had to forfeit all their games. CC coach call AAA and told them they should redo the game and let CC play on. AAA said it was in the past, then he said he should receive the money that Danville got for going to Junction City and the AAA said they don't do that......Until a bigger punishment or a big fine comes into affect, some schools will keep cheating, heck colleges do and get caught, why wouldn't high schools, especially if all they have to worry about is the AAA (jokes)......."Winning at any cost" is the new America system.....sorry to the Earle players, all coaches should be fired.
Quote from: mrkingark on December 01, 2017, 04:53:52 pm
I can remember a few years back Danville put Cross County out of play-offs, then went to Junction City next week and lost. After that they admitted cheating and had to forfeit all their games. CC coach call AAA and told them they should redo the game and let CC play on. AAA said it was in the past, then he said he should receive the money that Danville got for going to Junction City and the AAA said they don't do that......Until a bigger punishment or a big fine comes into affect, some schools will keep cheating, heck colleges do and get caught, why wouldn't high schools, especially if all they have to worry about is the AAA (jokes)......."Winning at any cost" is the new America system.....sorry to the Earle players, all coaches should be fired.
Doesn't matter...but Danville didn't self report
Quote from: mrkingark on December 01, 2017, 04:53:52 pm
I can remember a few years back Danville put Cross County out of play-offs, then went to Junction City next week and lost. After that they admitted cheating and had to forfeit all their games. CC coach call AAA and told them they should redo the game and let CC play on. AAA said it was in the past, then he said he should receive the money that Danville got for going to Junction City and the AAA said they don't do that......Until a bigger punishment or a big fine comes into affect, some schools will keep cheating, heck colleges do and get caught, why wouldn't high schools, especially if all they have to worry about is the AAA (jokes)......."Winning at any cost" is the new America system.....sorry to the Earle players, all coaches should be fired.
Hadn't heard that one. That had to be 2009.
FWIW:
Danville beat CC 37 - 16
Junction City beat Danville 42 - 6
QUICK TO SPEAK BUT SLOW TO LISTEN <—— Everyone's Opinion
How you gone down the school but only hear what FF Posters have to say?
And then if the paperwork that Earle has still says 8 (if it's true), how are you gone still continue to talk noise about what you think you know?
Quote from: Mr. Trill on December 01, 2017, 06:10:09 pm
QUICK TO SPEAK BUT SLOW TO LISTEN <—— Everyone's Opinion
How you gone down the school but only hear what FF Posters have to say?
And then if the paperwork that Earle has still says 8 (if it's true), how are you gone still continue to talk noise about what you think you know?
I think I posted that somewhere on this thread....and somebody claimed it was impossible for that to have happened...
Quote from: Mr. Trill on December 01, 2017, 06:10:09 pm
QUICK TO SPEAK BUT SLOW TO LISTEN <—— Everyone's Opinion
How you gone down the school but only hear what FF Posters have to say?
And then if the paperwork that Earle has still says 8 (if it's true), how are you gone still continue to talk noise about what you think you know?
If they honestly didn't know he was ineligible, why was his name not on any of the rosters? They knew what they were doing.
Quote from: Lionheart on December 01, 2017, 06:58:42 pm
If they honestly didn't know he was ineligible, why was his name not on any of the rosters? They knew what they were doing.
Who's the kid? # or anything?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 07:00:24 pm
Who's the kid? # or anything?
From what I've heard, they didn't list him at all. And no one noticed until he started getting player of the week and such.
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 07:00:24 pm
Who's the kid? # or anything?
The transfer RB from Lake Village wore #21, he is not listed on the maxprep roster. He has nothing to do with Marion and was a great student at Lake Village, so I assume more than one wasn't on the roster.
Yikes!!!!
Earle does not turn in any roster to Max Preps and have not for years. They pay the fine in all sports and keep on rolling. This has been going on for years. I guess that is why they are in debt and the State took them over.
Quote from: Cheek on December 01, 2017, 10:01:43 pm
Earle does not turn in any roster to Max Preps and have not for years. They pay the fine in all sports and keep on rolling. This has been going on for years. I guess that is why they are in debt and the State took them over.
It's only like 50 bucks
Quote from: WTD on December 01, 2017, 02:54:10 pm
Earl won’t have much longer till they will have to consolidate with Marion or West Memphis
Doubt that very seriously for 2 reasons 1) Earle has enough students to keep the school open 2) Their academic level is one of the best in the state!!!!
$50 is a lot of money. Lol
Quote from: Bulldogs2002 on December 01, 2017, 10:05:08 pm
Doubt that very seriously for 2 reasons 1) Earle has enough students to keep the school open 2) Their academic level is one of the best in the state!!!!
EARLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL K - 6 D
EARLE HIGH SCHOOL 7 - 12 C
http://www.arkansased.gov/public/userfiles/Public_School_Accountability/School_Performance/2015_School_Letter_Grades_Spreadsheet.xlsx
bleu dog since you're trying to put him on blast that's says 2014/15 sir
Quote from: Mr. Trill on December 02, 2017, 01:01:51 am
bleu dog since you're trying to put him on blast that's says 2014/15 sir
I got that from here:
http://www.arkansased.gov/divisions/public-school-accountability/school-performance/report-card
Is there more current data publicly available supporting his claim?
If there is, congratulations on the improvement.
This makes me sad for the Earle kids. They worked so hard for this just to have it taken away. To the seniors: I have no words! For the rest of the team: don't give up. Your hard work hasn't gone unnoticed! Let this situation fuel you in the gym and in your training to set the stage for next season. Come back better than before so all the insensitive haters can eat crow. Much love guys.
If he didn't want to be put on blast maybe he should have actually looked at some data. The state doesn't come in a take you over if you are doing things the right way and everything is peachy.
Quote from: Bulldogs2002 on December 01, 2017, 10:05:08 pm
Doubt that very seriously for 2 reasons 1) Earle has enough students to keep the school open 2) Their academic level is one of the best in the state!!!!
I can assure you that if they can't get their finances in line they will consolidate. The State has already taken over the school. There will be a lot of sad employees at the Earle School District since several will be released and most will have their pay reduced. They will take whatever steps they have to to balance the books, and this includes athletes spending.
If this would have happened before the Salem game. How would that have affected the games? Would it have MS and Salem playing a week later and pushing every AA playoffs back a week that would have been interesting. IMO Earle forfeit Foreman goes to title game and just end this crap. Hey we got beat by Earle last year we need to go back and review. Maybe we could go back and start the 16 playoffs over again then follow it up with 17 season.
Quote from: Lionheart on December 01, 2017, 07:46:33 pm
From what I've heard, they didn't list him at all. And no one noticed until he started getting player of the week and such.
Oh, man. I hadn't heard that part. Seems tough to claim they didn't know.
Quote from: Cheek on December 01, 2017, 10:01:43 pm
Earle does not turn in any roster to Max Preps and have not for years. They pay the fine in all sports and keep on rolling. This has been going on for years. I guess that is why they are in debt and the State took them over.
What are you talking about? Both basketball and football have rosters on maxpreps. Did last year too.
FAKE NEWS!
Quote from: outlaws4life26 on December 02, 2017, 09:17:06 am
If this would have happened before the Salem game. How would that have affected the games? Would it have MS and Salem playing a week later and pushing every AA playoffs back a week that would have been interesting. IMO Earle forfeit Foreman goes to title game and just end this crap. Hey we got beat by Earle last year we need to go back and review. Maybe we could go back and start the 16 playoffs over again then follow it up with 17 season.
Salem playing foreman end of story. So they better ready come Friday. Go hounds
Your right Cheek. I hope they survive for the kids. This isn't the normal fiscal distress like Earle as been on in the past. Things could get rough in the spring with them not getting any federal or state funds going foward which is about 1/2 of your insource to keep the doors open. Depending on how these folks want there monies repayed in payments or lump sum they could have trouble making payroll come spring time. In the end they might have to cut some jobs and suspend sports, band, cheer activities for a couple years until they can get the school back healthy. This might be harsh at first but the town does not want to lose there school just ask Turrell,Crawfordsville, Parkin.
Quote from: baseball13 on December 01, 2017, 10:31:33 am
Man you and BIGWORM need to move on. Hampton thumped that head last year get over it. As far as this goes Earle knew they did wrong that's why they turned themselves in.
And everyone in the state knew Hampton did wrong but noone from hampton squealed. I will never move on. Hampton will always be the least of the teams in the state in my book. If Earle was smart, they keep their mouth shut just like all yalls folks did. I guess they aint as smart as hampton folk.
Earle has evidently self reported playing a ineligible player but have also filed a in junction. What will transpire over the next few days? Teams need to get ready to play Friday please somebody that understands law give us something? This is not fair to teams that don't intentionally try and skate or cheat if you will. Mt. Ida and CHG are caught up in this just like Foreman.
I will say this the governing body that is triple AAA should have kept this from getting to this point by making sure all schools are abiding by the rules wow?????
Quote from: Eslim03 on December 03, 2017, 09:22:25 pm
Earle has evidently self reported playing a ineligible player but have also filed a in junction. What will transpire over the next few days? Teams need to get ready to play Friday please somebody that understands law give us something? This is not fair to teams that don't intentionally try and skate or cheat if you will. Mt. Ida and CHG are caught up in this just like Foreman.
I haven't heard of injunction being filed. I have seen we're it was reported they Memphis paper that they might. They filed this over the weekend? Judge will throw this out immediately. You self impose your penalty then try to take it back....lol
With the liberal court systems we have , you never know what a Judge will do . A few years back we had a kid at PW that didn't have the credits to graduate therefore he wasn't gonna be allowed to walk with the rest of his class , his mother who didn't want to be embarrassed by the fact that her child had indeed failed got a injunction from a liberal judge that allowed this kid to walk even though he shouldn't have.so if they file and the rite judge gets it in they're hands look out.
Quote from: bigworm on December 03, 2017, 06:26:05 pm
And everyone in the state knew Hampton did wrong but noone from hampton squealed. I will never move on. Hampton will always be the least of the teams in the state in my book. If Earle was smart, they keep their mouth shut just like all yalls folks did. I guess they aint as smart as hampton folk.
So its ok for kids to move just not to Hampton? how did Hampton do anything wrong?
Quote from: fann07 on December 02, 2017, 10:43:05 am
What are you talking about? Both basketball and football have rosters on maxpreps. Did last year too.
FAKE NEWS!
Not fake news. This has been going on for years. I guess they didn't put what grade they were in because they didn't know.
Sad to hear this .
I just checked Maxpreps and the Earle football roster is there as is the 2016 roster (I didn't go back any further). they have 21 kids listed on their team this year and had 36 listed last year. They do have their class, number, position and height/weight listed as well.
I'm not going to name a kid's name, but there is a kid on the Earle roster with the same last name as one from Marion that should have graduated last year according to Marion's 2013 roster. I know this is a lot of conjecture, but if it is the same kid he has highlights on Maxpreps. He also scored three touchdowns against Salem in their quarterfinal match up so he would definitely be someone who contributes.
Quote from: brotherdew on December 04, 2017, 09:26:32 am
I just checked Maxpreps and the Earle football roster is there as is the 2016 roster (I didn't go back any further). they have 21 kids listed on their team this year and had 36 listed last year. They do have their class, number, position and height/weight listed as well.
I'm not going to name a kid's name, but there is a kid on the Earle roster with the same last name as one from Marion that should have graduated last year according to Marion's 2013 roster. I know this is a lot of conjecture, but if it is the same kid he has highlights on Maxpreps. He also scored three touchdowns against Salem in their quarterfinal match up so he would definitely be someone who contributes.
There is one that is on their 2016 roster that's not on their 2017 roster. They actually have two that came from Marion. One did play at Marion last year, the other never did because he was ineligible.
Quote from: baseball13 on December 04, 2017, 06:58:35 am
So its ok for kids to move just not to Hampton? how did Hampton do anything wrong?
Recruited to hampton. There is a difference
no they were not recruited to Hampton. You know how many people form Hampton and Hermitage has relatives in both towns?
Quote from: Bigditchlion on December 04, 2017, 11:30:27 am
Recruited to hampton. There is a difference
And if you want to get down to it and talk about recruiting yalls Head coach now (coach Garrett) tried to get him to move up there and play.
Him or them??? Do you have to got to an optometrist for rose colored glasses? So your saying they didn't go to any other surrounding schools to visit? AAA didn't visit down there? Wonder why they did, it's because their was something to it. Yall can try to convince people but everyone knows what happened.
Quote from: brotherdew on December 04, 2017, 09:26:32 am
I just checked Maxpreps and the Earle football roster is there as is the 2016 roster (I didn't go back any further). they have 21 kids listed on their team this year and had 36 listed last year. They do have their class, number, position and height/weight listed as well.
I'm not going to name a kid's name, but there is a kid on the Earle roster with the same last name as one from Marion that should have graduated last year according to Marion's 2013 roster. I know this is a lot of conjecture, but if it is the same kid he has highlights on Maxpreps. He also scored three touchdowns against Salem in their quarterfinal match up so he would definitely be someone who contributes.
You are correct! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out, they didn't list him bc they knew he was ineligible. I bet money Earle won't file an injunction bc if AAA dug deeper they would find several more infractions and take away the BB championships too.
im trying to figure out how to post Coach Coleman's response to the ruling via ADG
I read the response this morning myself. Waiting to Thursday to decide if they are going to file an injunction is total B.S. This is not an FBI investigation. The kid either did or did not play over the allotted amount of semesters. There are four other teams that have their fate hanging in the balance while a fifth team is trying to sort out something that should have been dealt with in August.
Quote from: Bigditchlion on December 04, 2017, 11:30:27 am
Recruited to hampton. There is a difference
every time a kid goes to a new school everybody has a problem. School recruiting has anyone ask the kid why he move maybe he wanted to win and do what is best for his career Hampton don't recruit.
Question I have is Gerry still considering Arkansas? and will he sign early
Quote from: sheepdawg92 on December 05, 2017, 07:37:41 am
every time a kid goes to a new school everybody has a problem. School recruiting has anyone ask the kid why he move maybe he wanted to win and do what is best for his career Hampton don't recruit.
He would've came to Ida then don't ya think???
It's okay sheepdawg anyone offered a free double-wide obviously has to take the deal.
Quote from: Mr. Trill on December 05, 2017, 07:14:05 am
im trying to figure out how to post Coach Coleman's response to the ruling via ADG
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Quote from: OLionSwag74 on December 05, 2017, 08:34:55 am
It's okay sheepdawg anyone offered a free double-wide obviously has to take the deal.
serious come on lets be realistic now really
Quote from: OLionSwag74 on December 05, 2017, 08:32:37 am
He would've came to Ida then don't ya think???
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it would been ok with me that's his decision if he would went Warren or PA now one would even said anything
How did Earle know that Marion tipped off Foreman? Did the AAA tell them?
Quote from: bleudog on December 05, 2017, 08:55:01 am
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I know for a fact that no one from Marion called Foreman. Trying to find someone to blame for all of this...
Quote from: ClutchFactor62 on December 05, 2017, 10:04:52 am
I know for a fact that no one from Marion called Foreman. Trying to find someone to blame for all of this...
You asked all the administration and cosching staff yourself?
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 01, 2017, 11:07:29 am
Did you really just compare making a ruling about football to playing god?
I'm just gonna sign off on this thread now....Good Luck to y'all on this...
I knew you would understand and be back. LOL
Quote from: JohnBarleycorn on December 05, 2017, 10:04:35 am
How did Earle know that Marion tipped off Foreman? Did the AAA tell them?
I heard mineral springs called Marion after they realized the player wasnt on roster. Don't know how true that is
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 05, 2017, 10:43:23 am
I heard mineral springs called Marion after they realized the player wasnt on roster. Don't know how true that is
the question how would they know to call Marion ???? and why they call Marion? why they didn't question Earle at the game.
Quote from: sheepdawg92 on December 05, 2017, 10:49:07 am
the question how would they know to call Marion ???? and why they call Marion? why they didn't question Earle at the game.
Would not matter who called who if Earle wasn't cheating. Period, From the head of this country down we have to place blame on someone else for everything that we do. Man up, you cheated and got caught.
This ^^^^
I'm pretty sure that Earle did not call AAA and report that they may possibly have an ineligible player. This call was made to AAA by another school district. At the end of the day this still falls on the HC of the school. I"m sure most coaches have a checklist that they follow whenever ANY new player moves into there district. It's real simple to get this clarification YES or NO from AAA without anything ever having to get this bad for a group of kids that have worked there tails off since youth ball. If I"m an Earle fan, parent I am upset at Coleman for not doing his homework. The blame lays 100% on him. At some schools this would probably get you reassigned or terminated.
Quote from: birddawg1986 on December 05, 2017, 11:04:34 am
I'm pretty sure that Earle did not call AAA and report that they may possibly have an ineligible player. This call was made to AAA by another school district. At the end of the day this still falls on the HC of the school. I"m sure most coaches have a checklist that they follow whenever ANY new player moves into there district. It's real simple to get this clarification YES or NO from AAA without anything ever having to get this bad for a group of kids that have worked there tails off since youth ball. If I"m an Earle fan, parent I am upset at Coleman for not doing his homework. The blame lays 100% on him. At some schools this would probably get you reassigned or terminated.
according to buddy of mine said he play last year.
If i was foreman i would told AAA to allow Earle to play, but sit the kid that was ineligible so it wouldn't be question if we were better team also i had foreman beating Earle anyways with the kid. So i know they beat them without the ineligible kid.
Quote from: birddawg1986 on December 05, 2017, 11:04:34 am
I'm pretty sure that Earle did not call AAA and report that they may possibly have an ineligible player. This call was made to AAA by another school district. At the end of the day this still falls on the HC of the school. I"m sure most coaches have a checklist that they follow whenever ANY new player moves into there district. It's real simple to get this clarification YES or NO from AAA without anything ever having to get this bad for a group of kids that have worked there tails off since youth ball. If I"m an Earle fan, parent I am upset at Coleman for not doing his homework. The blame lays 100% on him. At some schools this would probably get you reassigned or terminated.
Actually the AAA puts the responsibility on the building principal. So unless that duty was assigned to the AD or HC by the principal, it falls on the administration.
Every single transcript for a student is in the Arkansas Student database called TRIAND. Schools don't send over transcrips for students anymore, its all online, available to all coaches and administrators. I call BS trying to place blame with Marion or anyone but EARLE! Your cheating finally caught up with you, so man up and take your medicine. You know why you didn't list him on Max Preps or your roster, because he was inelgible!
Isn't TRIAND only for academics though? It would tell you what the student has done academically but not athletically. For example, it would tell you the student had gone through 9th grade twice but not if he played sports both those years.
Quote from: OB11 on December 05, 2017, 12:27:42 pm
Isn't TRIAND only for academics though? It would tell you what the student has done academically but not athletically. For example, it would tell you the student had gone through 9th grade twice but not if he played sports both those years.
OB, this is from the AAA handbook: "A student is limited to eight consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility beginning with the student's first enrollment in the ninth grade."
So the consecutive semester clock starts running when the student FIRST enters 9th grade whether they participate in athletics or not.
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 05, 2017, 10:43:23 am
I heard mineral springs called Marion after they realized the player wasnt on roster. Dont know how true that is
About as true as Salem will even give Foreman a game. Mineral is a fourth party in the matter and will go down in history as not losing a game in the 2017 playoffs.
Quote from: COACH-Mike on December 05, 2017, 01:17:53 pm
About as true as Salem will even give Foreman a game. Mineral is a fourth party in the matter and will go down in history as not losing a game in the 2017 playoffs.
Kind of strange to think of it that way, but technically you are correct. The heathen in me would have the AAA order me a banner if I was them.
But if salem by accident goes on to win the state championship where would that put things
1. We can rule out the rumor saying that's earle told on their selves. People just make up anything.
Newspaper said that Marion made the call.
Quote from: bleudog on December 05, 2017, 12:47:08 pm
OB, this is from the AAA handbook: "A student is limited to eight consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility beginning with the student's first enrollment in the ninth grade."
So the consecutive semester clock starts running when the student FIRST enters 9th grade whether they participate in athletics or not.
Got ya. Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Mr. Trill on December 05, 2017, 05:00:18 pm
1. We can rule out the rumor saying that's earle told on their selves. People just make up anything.
Newspaper said that Marion made the call.
Wasn't a rumor, AAA official statement said they self reported
Quote from: HorseFeathers on December 05, 2017, 05:31:45 pm
Wasn't a rumor, AAA official statement said they self reported
The AAA official did tell the newspaper that Earle had self reported the violation..
Here is my guess on what happened beforehand..
1. Foreman learned of the violation
2. Foreman called the AAA to share what they had learned.
3. AAA official called the administration at Earle to share the concerns presented to them by Foreman.
4. Earle administration told the AAA official that they "would look into the situation and call the AAA back later."
5. The Earle administration called back later to say that "we have found something that we would like to self report to the
AAA office"..
In the beginning this could of been an honest mistake especially when you have a student that has been in your district for 3+ years..
Quote from: ClutchFactor62 on December 05, 2017, 10:04:52 am
I know for a fact that no one from Marion called Foreman. Trying to find someone to blame for all of this...
Would seem like if someone at Marion had a friend at Foreman, they would wait a week to tell them. If Earle would have eliminated Foremen in the semi final, then Foreman would have been the last team harmed and would have been moved into the WMS game.
I also don't follow how Earle would think the kid in question is in his eighth semester. At this time of year, wouldn't he be in his seventh or ninth?
Quote from: bleudog on December 05, 2017, 07:12:41 pm
Would seem like if someone at Marion had a friend at Foreman, they would wait a week to tell them. If Earle would have eliminated Foremen in the semi final, then Foreman would have been the last team harmed and would have been moved into the WMS game.
I also don't follow how Earle would think the kid in question is in his eighth semester. At this time of year, wouldn't he be in his seventh or ninth?
That's what I've thought too.....
Alot of you guys on here are really smart and alot of you guys are not so smart. I agree with the stance that the blame of the whole situation lies totally on the Coach. But have you ever just took a second to really look at the whole situation. This kid transferred from a neighboring school classified as an 11th grader who was 17 years old whose birthday was after september 1. He had the grades to play and came out to play he was in Maxpreps last yeat as an 11th grader unfortunately the current roster doesnt list him but he was named in Hootens and 42 sports preview.... he was also pictured in the team picture, senior night , and even player of the week. I assure you the intent here was not to cheat or decieve. IF that was the case this kid would have never been visible he could have played under false pretenses... But it does seem to me that if you were from a neighboring school and knew that a kid was ineligible that you would call that school or just contact the AAA when you first find out... You have read in your local paper about this kid since August. Why wait until the end of the season. But as i stated earlier it was on Earle to catch the mistakes...and unfortunately they didnt and it will cost them a state title because FOREMAN WAS NOT GOING TO STOP BOHANON AND THAT TEAM
Good post Butch. Idk about who would have won the game but the rest is spot on.
This is * ban if if you like the foreman gators have not done anything to make this happen... we ain't cheaters Earle is and while this debate is open wish we beating earles rear dang all of you foreman has a championship team!!! Bring in CHG or Ida then the rest of the state will know what is going down dang. ...,,,?!!&3&4&&;&
It seems to me that Foreman was scared to play Earle, which is why they called AAA when Marion tipped them off. Why not play the game and let us see who the better team is. In the event that you lose then call AAA. I don't blame anyone it happened and we will see what happens after the injunction is filed. Marion will never win ever, did they even make the playoff? It is funny that they are even worried abour what's going on in 2A when they need to focus on winning in 6A.
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 09:11:46 pm
It seems to me that Foreman was scared to play Earle, which is why they called AAA when Marion tipped them off. Why not play the game and let us see who the better team is. In the event that you lose then call AAA. I don't blame anyone it happened and we will see what happens after the injunction is filed. Marion will never win ever, did they even make the playoff? It is funny that they are even worried abour what's going on in 2A when they need to focus on winning in 6A.
Why play a player that is ineligible in the first place? Don't do that and problem solved.... Why are you people continuing to blame any other school except Earle?
First off who is you people? I'm not blaming anyone. As far as I'm concerned he has only play 5 semesters, he has not played any other sports besides football and that happens in the first semester. So like I said Marion needs to focus on 6A and you people need to get a new hobby cause as far as I see you all continue toto worry about EARLE...
Please be more specific... "you people" is too broad!
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 09:26:06 pm
First off who is you people? I'm not blaming anyone. As far as I'm concerned he has only play 5 semesters, he has not played any other sports besides football and that happens in the first semester. So like I said Marion needs to focus on 6A and you people need to get a new hobby cause as far as I see you all continue toto worry about EARLE...
You sir are a jack rear you seem to think playing a player too old isn't cheating then how bout any team in the state bring back there best player from a year ago but in your assessment he wasn't the best player though I guess. Although he scores 3 touchdowns last week when Earle wins by 19 wow you are very delusional.
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 09:26:06 pm
First off who is you people? I'm not blaming anyone. As far as I'm concerned he has only play 5 semesters, he has not played any other sports besides football and that happens in the first semester. So like I said Marion needs to focus on 6A and you people need to get a new hobby cause as far as I see you all continue toto worry about EARLE...
I guess you think cheating is ok???? The kid only plays 5 semesters of football so he is still eligible to play another 3 semesters of football wow you are dumb. That would make him 22 years old when all his semesters are up wow you are a jack rear.
Quote from: Eslim03 on December 05, 2017, 10:10:27 pm
You sir are a jack rear you seem to think playing a player too old isn't cheating then how bout any team in the state bring back there best player from a year ago but in your assessment he wasn't the best player though I guess. Although he scores 3 touchdowns last week when Earle wins by 19 wow you are very delusional.
You wrong sir he didn't score 3 so talk what u know thank you
No you are dumb, the rules state that you can play 8 semesters of high school sports. Cheating is not ok but I guess it's ok for him to have played twice in the 9th grade. So it sounds to me that you think
cheating is ok when you people do it....
Also his age has nothing to do with the issue at hand because age wise he is considered eligible. So you are not only dumb but stupid as well...
I think Earle coaches have created fearless accounts... Or at least family members of the coaches. Just look at the new posters on the defense....
Quote from: Bigboyodell on December 05, 2017, 10:33:10 pm
You wrong sir he didn't score 3 so talk what u know thank you
He scored 2 not 3... big difference
I don't have a dog in this fight but your showing pure ignorance if you in any way attempt to defend Earle. I do feel sorry for all the kids affected that did no wrong. If you can count to 8 and realize eligibility starts when a student starts the 9th grade anyone with a 2nd grade education can figure this out. You have 8 semesters of eligibility and they begin when a student starts the 9th grade. If you are in 9th grade for 2 years or 4 semesters your eligibility is up at the end of your junior year.
I don't have a dog in the fight either. If you had any education you would know that if the kid was ineligible and had played twice in the 9th grade why not tell it when he transferred as opposed to the day before the game his senior year looks suspect to me. It just crazy that everyone posting isn't telling about the times they got caught cheating. This is about a team of kids that worked hard on the football field but a bunch of ignorant adults want to drag them through the mud.
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 11:31:04 pm
I don't have a dog in the fight either. If you had any education you would know that if the kid was ineligible and had played twice in the 9th grade why not tell it when he transferred as opposed to the day before the game his senior year looks suspect to me. It just crazy that everyone posting isn't telling about the times they got caught cheating. This is about a team of kids that worked hard on the football field but a bunch of ignorant adults want to drag them through the mud.
I feel bad for the players but not for the administration that should have caught this.
I don't think anyone is trying to drag kids through the mud , they are the victims in this whole thing. It's not in any way those kid's fault. It is the duty of the head coach and the councilors to figure out who's eligible and who's not. That's the ones that dropped the ball on this not the kids. We all mess up in life you just have to be a man and admit when your wrong and stop throwing the blame on someone else.
It is in no way Marion's responsibility to tell Earle how many semesters he played. All Marion has to do is send the transcript to Earle and the rest is up to Earle to handle. You screwed up, quit blaming others. You would gain much more respect if you did.
Does anyone know what Bohannon thinks about the new coach for the Hogs? Sounds like a good fit.
I recall reading in this same thread where someone wrote that the player was at fault as well. That is dragging a kid through the mud, because for you all educated people to think that a kid is suppose to know the rules for AAA is crazy. I also see where Earle took responsibility for anything that was wrong on there part. So if AAA releases that they were informed by Marion, I can speak my opinion same as you all. Some of you all are stupid, ignorant, and crazy as heck because you will say one thing but when someone else speaks their opinion, you back track. So again stop dragging the kids through the mud and focus on something else.
Yeah, what she said.....We unlike Earle have a football game to play on Friday.
Quote from: Bothered on December 06, 2017, 07:21:47 am
I recall reading in this same thread where someone wrote that the player was at fault as well. That is dragging a kid through the mud, because for you all educated people to think that a kid is suppose to know the rules for AAA is crazy. I also see where Earle took responsibility for anything that was wrong on there part. So if AAA releases that they were informed by Marion, I can speak my opinion same as you all. Some of you all are stupid, ignorant, and crazy as heck because you will say one thing but when someone else speaks there opinion, you back track. So again stop dragging the kids through the mud and focus on something else.
Calling people "ignorant" and "stupid" when you don't know how to properly use there, their, and they're is humorous.
Oh No!!! This is really going to set her off!!
WTD, you are stupid and ignorant. Stop bashing kids...
I mean the kid could always get hitched... AAA couldn't touch him then :)
Quote from: Bothered on December 06, 2017, 08:02:42 am
WTD, you are stupid and ignorant. Stop bashing kids...
You're not exactly distinguishing yourself with posts like these.
Get the discussion back on track.
Quote from: Bothered on December 06, 2017, 08:02:42 am
WTD, you are stupid and ignorant. Stop bashing kids...
Hold on... stupid and ignorant, that's not nice at all! In what post did I bash a kid?
Maybe the AAA should check domiciles as well, because who just moves to Earle just so they can play football?
Who said he moved to Earle just to play football? That's your opinion. Families move everyday and children have to transfer to new schools.
Quote from: Bothered on December 06, 2017, 08:46:49 am
Who said he moved to Earle just to play football? That's your opinion. Families move everyday and children have to transfer to new schools.
Actually "they" should be used. Look at Marion's 2016 roster and Earle's 2016 roster. How is one player on both rosters? Not bashing any kids, this falls on the Earle administration for allowing this to happen.
People move to Earle all the time for academics & jobs.......
You are speculating that they moved to Earle to play football, which is bashing kids because they moved and transferred to a new school. I'm not about to look at rosters, the fact of the matter is they were in school in Earle so they should not be on anyone's roster but Earle's.
Quote from: Bothered on December 06, 2017, 09:13:39 am
You are speculating that they moved to Earle to play football, which is bashing kids because they moved and transferred to a new school. I'm not about to look at rosters, the fact of the matter is they were in school in Earle so they should not be on anyone's roster but Earle's.
Lol
its not the kid fault it is the school fault but sides Earle and Marion. Its not a good look for Earle and AAA this late in season to find kid that's ineligible and ruin the playoffs like this. I really feel bad for the kid and the seniors on his team that's alot to put a kid and I hope someone from Earle or Marion been talking to that kid and seniors to let them know its not their fault.
AAA should have something or someone from there offices that check these kids eligible before every season because a school can be mislead with their information if AAA had something in place this problem never occur
Yeah, what he said!!! It's the AAA's fault! They just go around collecting money and do nothing for the kids. And some schools don't have people smart enjoy enough to figure this stuff out.
His transcript was not falsified. All they had to do was check his transcript when he transferred and they would have known that he was going to be ineligible. This should be standard procedure for any program that gets a move-in. It isn't the AAA's fault, it isn't Marion's fault, it isn't the kids fault, it is Earle's fault. If the coach/AD/Principal/Supt reviewed this student's paperwork when he first transferred, they would have known immediately that he wasn't going to be eligible. Maybe this is why the state had to take Earle over. They can't follow simple rules.
Quote from: ClutchFactor62 on December 06, 2017, 11:19:49 am
His transcript was not falsified. All they had to do was check his transcript when he transferred and they would have known that he was going to be ineligible. This should be standard procedure for any program that gets a move-in. It isn't the AAA's fault, it isn't Marion's fault, it isn't the kids fault, it is Earle's fault. If the coach/AD/Principal/Supt reviewed this student's paperwork when he first transferred, they would have known immediately that he wasn't going to be eligible. Maybe this is why the state had to take Earle over. They can't follow simple rules.
I'm not going to spoke on why state is there because I don't know why. I agree it should been check on but from what I heard the kid been there for two years but that don't matter if AAA getting all this money from these schools it should have something in place to check over what the school may miss or if school trying to pull a fast one on everybody or change the rule because this efforts all teams in 2A not just Earle.
anybody from Earle do Gerry have Arkansas still in his top three with the new hire, or he going pull a Monk on us leave the state.
Quote from: RiceMan3 on December 06, 2017, 09:09:25 am
People move to Earle all the time for academics & jobs.......
I believe you are confusing Earle with Bentonville or Fayetteville?
Statement from Mineral Springs School District Superintendent Thelma Forte concerning Earle football team and decision to only allow Salem to continue in the playoffs:
QuoteThe Arkansas Activities Association contacted me this weekend with the actual policy number and the reference page. Their policy states upon the point of discovery the previous opponent (as related to the point of discovery) will be identified as the winning team, and that team will advance. This rule is applicable to all sports. The reference policy is 4F on page 27.
The Triple A representative was professional, honest, and willing to explain the process to Coach Bennett and me. He was transparent and he provided rationales for the final decision. I have a lot of respect for him and for the overall process. He was firm, fair, and consistent. The Mineral Springs School District realizes the AAA has the responsibility to follow policies and guidelines that govern their organization. The AAA used current policies to make a time sensitive decision.
Like any thorough superintendent, I did contact our school lawyer, and our lawyer confirmed the policies were followed and there was no need to suspect any unfair practices.
While our district and our community is saddened by the missed opportunity to continue in the playoffs, I feel compelled to quote one our senior football players. He said, "We have lost an opportunity to continue in the playoffs, but the Earle Senior players, who were innocent lost much more. Several of their players were going to be scouted in the next game by college scouts. They will not have an opportunity to play in front of college scouts and this will cause them to lose scholarships. Their lives will never be the same. They have lost a playoff opportunity, the chance to compete for a state championship, and scholarship opportunities."
This student proves our football program is doing much more than developing an understanding of X's and O's. Our student athletes are learning about the true principles of being a member of a football team. They did not have an opportunity to win a state championship, but they won in the area of character development, and that is the sign of well-rounded student athletes.
We can all learn a lot from our students when we take the time to talk to them and listen. I agree with my insightful student, and I also know there aren't any perfect solutions for an imperfect world filled with imperfect and unforeseeable situations. Everyone involved lost something important.
We would like to thank the AAA for keeping us informed, and we wish every team represented in the playoffs well.
Thelma Metcalf Forte'
Superintendent Mineral Springs School District
Facts
1) Earle played on ineligible player
2) Said player is deemed ineligible because he participated beyond his four years of eligibility. (Some are being confused on how this works... you get two semesters of eligibility each year, beginning in the 9th grade. It doesn't matter if you played in only 1 semester each year... you were still eligible for 2. 2 semesters X 4 years of eligibility is 8 semesters)
3) Ignorance of the rules/if a player's eligibility is up, is not an excuse.
4) Do the crime, do the time. Many college teams are not bowl eligibile for "crimes" committed before they played for the school
5) The school is in shambles financially...
Does this really surprise anyone?! Come on... Take a good look at the leadership that got their school district taken over by the state. It isn't a stretch to to assume that if they were not balancing a checkbook... they're not concerned with player eligibility
Quote from: beach bum on December 05, 2017, 10:57:29 pm
I think Earle coaches have created fearless accounts... Or at least family members of the coaches. Just look at the new posters on the defense....
Skipped rest of thread from this post...but no this is the history of Earle posters on FF...they can be picked #1 and unanimous favorite to win a title...but they'll go ranting about how everyone is out to get them and disrespecting the 9x world championship etc etc
It's ludicrous to think that NO ONE from Earle had any idea that this kid was ineligible 🤔
We in earle was reached about a kid from foreman that may be ineligible as well.... We havent mentioned any names or called the AAA nor are we waiting for Foreman to win and then call Salem to say hey check on this kid that was a move and and played so many years and he also shows up on all the maxpreps rosters and that he is also a good baseball player... Why because its none of our business but I guess it could be an eye for an eye... In the end its about the kids so no we want react but maybe salem will next week
Quote from: beach bum on December 06, 2017, 12:13:17 pm
I believe you are confusing Earle with Bentonville or Fayetteville?
I believe you're confusing sarcasm for seriousness....
Sorry, that was hard to follow. What I gathered was... you really don't know if the kid you are referencing is eligible or not. Why would someone not?! The rules are pretty simple and they apply to everyone. If you wait to report the kid or not... doesn't change the fact that Earle was wrong. This is not a contest of who can get who last. Geez...
Quote from: Butch_Cassidy on December 06, 2017, 07:26:25 pm
We in earle was reached about a kid from foreman that may be ineligible as well.... We havent mentioned any names or called the AAA nor are we waiting for Foreman to win and then call Salem to say hey check on this kid that was a move and and played so many years and he also shows up on all the maxpreps rosters and that he is also a good baseball player... Why because its none of our business but I guess it could be an eye for an eye.. In the end its about the kids so no we want react but maybe salem will next week
So, Are you saying if a team played Matt Jones you would not say anything because it was none of your business??
Come on Butch give it up before Friday. This way we can put the game off until next week when it will be warmer and all of My Ida's players will be healthy.
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 09:11:46 pm
It seems to me that Foreman was scared to play Earle, which is why they called AAA when Marion tipped them off. Why not play the game and let us see who the better team is. In the event that you lose then call AAA. I don't blame anyone it happened and we will see what happens after the injunction is filed. Marion will never win ever, did they even make the playoff? It is funny that they are even worried abour what's going on in 2A when they need to focus on winning in 6A.
I got a funny feeling Marion called a few schools along the way to leak this info. Not sure why Marion didn't want to turn them in themselves. These rumors about one of there players eligibility had been spreading for while. I gonna imagine most schools are not gonna call AAA unless they have proof. Foreman prob the first to take the bait.
Quote from: Butch_Cassidy on December 05, 2017, 08:42:05 pm
Alot of you guys on here are really smart and alot of you guys are not so smart. I agree with the stance that the blame of the whole situation lies totally on the Coach. But have you ever just took a second to really look at the whole situation. This kid transferred from a neighboring school classified as an 11th grader who was 17 years old whose birthday was after september 1. He had the grades to play and came out to play he was in Maxpreps last yeat as an 11th grader unfortunately the current roster doesnt list him but he was named in Hootens and 42 sports preview.... he was also pictured in the team picture, senior night , and even player of the week. I assure you the intent here was not to cheat or decieve. IF that was the case this kid would have never been visible he could have played under false pretenses... But it does seem to me that if you were from a neighboring school and knew that a kid was ineligible that you would call that school or just contact the AAA when you first find out... You have read in your local paper about this kid since August. Why wait until the end of the season. But as i stated earlier it was on Earle to catch the mistakes...and unfortunately they didnt and it will cost them a state title because FOREMAN WAS NOT GOING TO STOP BOHANON AND THAT TEAM
Its over with. Earle apologized and forfeited. I hoping the next press release coming from Earle is Bohanon to Arkansas!!!!!!! You Earle folks with inside info please feel free to let us fearless friday 2a board folks in on his plans.
P.S. We wont tell no one. Them folks over on Hogville board leak to much info
Quote from: Bothered on December 05, 2017, 09:11:46 pm
It seems to me that Foreman was scared to play Earle, which is why they called AAA when Marion tipped them off. Why not play the game and let us see who the better team is. In the event that you lose then call AAA. I don't blame anyone it happened and we will see what happens after the injunction is filed. Marion will never win ever, did they even make the playoff? It is funny that they are even worried abour what's going on in 2A when they need to focus on winning in 6A.
I can assure you the Gators weren't scared!!! Quite the opposite!!
I am sure that if I read back far enough I will find the answer to my question but, I have heard that Earle did file an injunction and that the games may be postponed another week. Is there any truth to that?
Saw a tweet that said they had met with triple a and agreed not too file one and games were on as planned
Sad part is that it hasn't even started to hurt yet! The only relief is that our best team is to be field in 2018 if we do the proper thing and viciously load up the Juggernaut! See you all again next season...
Just read the story on Arkansas Online from ADG, Earle officials met with AAA, and they decided not to file an injuction. Very unfortunate way to end the season. So everyone, please let us enjoy the last week of Arkansas high school football. Good Luck to the four teams remaining.....out!
#BulldogNation
Who else in this thread got a private message from "Bothered" calling them stupid?? He/She actually said I'm "stupid TOO", implying everyone else is as well.
I'd post a screenshot, but can't for some reason.
Keep it classy.....
True Earle fans and FF posters know how this works, we've talked plenty noise on here so now "Crow We are Served!" Bone Appetit! Good luck to Salem...
Quote from: Greyhound#1 on December 06, 2017, 11:23:54 pm
Its over with. Earle apologized and forfeited. I hoping the next press release coming from Earle is Bohanon to Arkansas!!!!!!! You Earle folks with inside info please feel free to let us fearless friday 2a board folks in on his plans.
P.S. We wont tell no one. Them folks over on Hogville board leak to much info
Heard he was going with the Hogs this Morning on the Morning Rush.
Quote from: Lions84 on December 11, 2017, 09:31:34 am
Heard he was going with the Hogs this Morning on the Morning Rush.
I hope you heard right.
Quote from: Lions84 on December 11, 2017, 09:31:34 am
Heard he was going with the Hogs this Morning on the Morning Rush.
There is about 99.9 percent chance your info is inaccurate. Gonna be extremely difficult for the Hogs to sign him
Unless the new staff on the hill have a heck of a sales pitch
Morris seems to have made an impression. We will see
He is probably headed to Auburn....
Quote from: sheepdawg92 on December 06, 2017, 11:47:52 am
anybody from Earle do Gerry have Arkansas still in his top three with the new hire, or he going pull a Monk on us leave the state.
Really! This is absolutely in no comparison to what happened with Monk. First of all the state moved and supported Monk. Move him to Bentonville from Lepanto, sponsored him. The state DID NOT do this with Bohannon.
Quote from: PositiveBro4Life on December 14, 2017, 12:41:04 am
Really! This is absolutely in no comparison to what happened with Monk. First of all the state moved and supported Monk. Move him to Bentonville from Lepanto, sponsored him. The state DID NOT do this with Bohannon.
I'm talk about is he going to another college like monk did by going to Kentucky that's I mean pull a monk on us.