Poll
Question:
What do you believe is the closest factual reason for Gus's departure?
Option 1: Gus & Houston just didn't get along
votes: 10
Option 2: Gus is simply climbing(though debatable) the ladder
votes: 7
Option 3: Houston "misrepresented" to Gus his responsiblities
votes: 25
Option 4: Gus was told the truth, but failed to impact like he wanted
votes: 5
Option 5: Houston fired Gus
votes: 3
Option 6: It just wasn't going to work, differences to significant
votes: 13
Option 7: Houston is completely at fault
votes: 32
Word on Hogville and Scout is that he accepted the Co-Offensive Coordinator job...reported on a station in Tulsa called the blitz...The World as we know it is officially screwed...
I just heard that myself.
It's spreading like wildfire...just spoke to a friend of mine with ties to TU and he said it is all but confirmed.
Frick you Nutt/Broyles, frick you very much.
Mustain is rumored to transfer as well. I think this will make up Lee Ziemba's mind for him, we could lose what recruits we do have. Not to mention, we could endure a NCAA investigation of hiring a coach to get players.
I hate you Dale.
FIRE FRANK!
I seen on other boards that this is true.
I don't like Nutt coaching style, and it sucks and next season they may not even win seven games.
If Mustain goes with Malzahn. I can see Nutt moving Robert Johnson back to QB.
No wonder Damian Williams left !!!
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 15, 2007, 12:12:20 am
I seen on other boards that this is true.
I don't like Nutt coaching style, and it sucks and next season they may not even win seven games.
If Mustain goes with Malzahn. I can see Nutt moving Robert Johnson back to QB.
No wonder Damian Williams left !!!
If we won 10 games with the schedule we had this year, next year we will win at least 8 or 9. There is no way we get any less than 8 and you can bank on that.
YouTube T.V. Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg)
Well...Crap....
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2
Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
Quote from: C_A_Morris on January 15, 2007, 12:33:35 am
YouTube T.V. Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg)
Well...Crap....
Anyone else hear that up at Tulsa they probably won't tell Malzahn how to run his offense...OUCH!
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 12:35:42 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2
Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Tejada / Tuck are two recruits I would be very concerned about losing right now if Gus goes to TU. Both have Springdale/Shiloh ties and would be very devestating to recruiting if we lose them.
If this turns out to be true, the only reason I'll have to watch the Hogs will be to see McFadden do well. This whole situation has been freaking ridiculous. DMC is the ONLY bright spot.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 12:41:16 am
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 12:35:42 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2
Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Your right. Williams only was Third team Freshman All American...I agree, he should have been first team!
Mustain was 8-0 as a starter! I agree he should have been...well he only started 8 games...
Wood (Not Woods) was supposedly one of the three who contributed to calling the plays and constructing the offense in the offseason...the same offense that moved from 66th a year ago, to 32nd...sure, our passing game wasn't great, but it was still better than last years! With a true sophomore and true freshman as your only options, let's see the top passing team in the nation somewhere else...
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 12:49:57 am
Tejada / Tuck are two recruits I would be very concerned about losing right now if Gus goes to TU. Both have Springdale/Shiloh ties and would be very devestating to recruiting if we lose them.
Gus was the one who recruited both of them as well...
Something else to consider
Markuson has been trying to elevate his name to go to MN, what if they told Gus, hey yall are going to be Co-Offensive Coordinators?
If I was Gus I would've given UA the finger as well.
wow...this is gonna suck
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 12:55:59 am
Something else to consider
Markuson has been trying to elevate his name to go to MN, what if they told Gus, hey yall are going to be Co-Offensive Coordinators?
If I was Gus I would've given UA the finger as well.
Or maybe just Running Game Coordinator...
I had a good night tonight, and then I came home and saw this. I'm pretty disgusted by the whole thing. The two arses on the hill had to go and eff everything up.
Makes me want to not be a fan of Razorback Football, willing to sacrifice that money to Tulsa and watch them play football. Like I said before, when I met Nutt a few months ago I wish I spit in his face, it would be the same exact thing he is doing to the fans and the program right now.
I believe right now is the only time in my living memory that I can say I'm really considering to stop following the Hogs. The basketball loss to Ole Miss, and now this crap. I thought that finally football would be settled down until atleast this spring. I just hope the baseball team is as good as they're supposed to be. Gah, I think I need a drink.
Maybe Gus decided he cant hack it in the SEC..his HUNH wasnt going to work..ever think of that..his receiver and qb sure as heck didnt work..Take Mustain and his Crazy Mom with you.
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg
http://tulsa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1774&tid=87315582&mid=87315582&sid=1115&style=2
its a huge rumor stop freaking out!
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:10:00 am
its a huge rumor stop freaking out!
Rumor?Its kinda funny a New Station is saying it WILL happen..
TODAYNow..either this news agency has some really good sources they trust..or they are about to make complete butts out of themselves.
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
7:30Am CST: The Fan sports radio 1190 AM: Bo Mattingly reports confirmation that Gus will leave Arkansas to become the Co-head coach and Co-offensive coordinator at Tulsa. He will reportedly recive the same pay as Arkansas, and will run the spread and be calling all the plays. A press conference is scheduled this morning on the hill.
My guess? Gus won't go alone.
Congrats to Gus! Frank Baby what in the world.
This is just the Last F-up . Frank B. must GO NOW! This Old Fart can Barely wipe His Rearend by himself, and he is head of the Programs.LOL......LOL......LOL....This is a Circus. The Manager of a Sonic Drive Inn has more Brains than Frank B.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 01:01:12 am
Makes me want to not be a fan of Razorback Football, willing to sacrifice that money to Tulsa and watch them play football. Like I said before, when I met Nutt a few months ago I wish I spit in his face, it would be the same exact thing he is doing to the fans and the program right now.
I wish you would have too. That way he could actually punch you out.
Here is ANOTHER fine example of Arkansas fans getting SCREWED!!! Just when we get something good going we get our heart ripped right out of us!!! I'm so tired of this!!! IT'S HIGH TIME TRUE ARKANSAS FANS BAN TOGETHER AND MAKE A STAND!!!
With David Lee coming to be UAs OC wonder if Mitch will stick around given Lee's QB success record? Wouldn't be surprised though to see both Mitch and Felix cross the border.
HDN needs to pack Franks GMC and then they both need to get into it and drive off into the sunset together!
Quote from: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 08:53:40 am
HDN needs to pack Franks GMC and then they both need to get into it and drive off into the sunset together!
Matter of fact, Stan can get in the back seat and leave with 'em!!!
Within the next 3 to 4yrs Gus could possibly the head coach at Tulsa and all the good ones that Tulsa gets goes on to bigger and better jobs.
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa? any guesses?
Quote from: Raider3 on January 15, 2007, 09:40:02 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa? any guesses?
Only any WR more than likely. The RBs will still want to play for us because they more than likely aren't coming to run Malzahn's style.
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 12:54:13 am
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 12:41:16 am
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 12:35:42 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2
Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Your right. Williams only was Third team Freshman All American...I agree, he should have been first team!
Mustain was 8-0 as a starter! I agree he should have been...well he only started 8 games...
Wood (Not Woods) was supposedly one of the three who contributed to calling the plays and constructing the offense in the offseason...the same offense that moved from 66th a year ago, to 32nd...sure, our passing game wasn't great, but it was still better than last years! With a true sophomore and true freshman as your only options, let's see the top passing team in the nation somewhere else...
I didn't mean to put an "s" on Wood the first time. If you look at post later on I spelled it correct. I am a huge Viking fan so I know all about him. He isn't that great. Also, I never said Williams was bad. He only caught 19 passes all year when he could have caught probably 30 or so. He dropped a ton of passes. Mustain was 8-0 as a starter. However, he got pulled after the first pass of the SC game when he threw an INT. That goes as a win, but he didn't do crap so he should really be 7-0. He didn't win us the Bama game, he nearly lost it. Against Vandy he had a lot of yards and I think 3 TDs, but if Vany's secondary wasn't garbage he would have had 3 more INTs and probably 2 for a TD. That doesn't matter though because it didn't happen. Mustain did not have good stats in very many games. He was just riding on the backs of McFadden and Felix.
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Or maybe he doesn't want to be around Fayetteville when the ship sinks...
Quote from: Raider3 on January 15, 2007, 09:40:02 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa? any guesses?
Dardanelle's C.J. Chaten committed to Tulsa during the season. I believe Nolan Hankins from Shiloh Christian has already committed, as well.
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 01:21:33 am
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?
They'll ban you for anything anti-Nutt (or Arkansas) over there.
Now all we can do is sit and watch as the Arkansas media tries to spin this story so it doesn't make Nutt look so bad. We'll be lucky to win 8 or 9 even with our easy schedule next year so long as HDN is calling the plays.
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Not this stupid? Gus, and Herring, are the only two there that know anything. I must admit I'm NOT much of an Arkansas fan. I've called them a tier 2 school and now I think that's generous. The players identify with Gus and Herring MUCH more than they do with Nutt's and his mini-me Frank B. I hope Gus leaves. Hey, you do have Nutt's until 2012. Now there is somthing to build on huh.
My guess, over the next two years. Saban will be 1-1 against Arkansas and have more wins than Nutt's.
At this point, I can't really blame anyone for leaving. It'll just make Nutt and Broyles look like even bigger idiots.
Presser at 11 from what I've been reading.
http://www.thesportsanimal.com/
Will carry Live Coverage of Announcement of Gus Malzhan to Tulsa.
Quote from: Htown on January 15, 2007, 10:25:02 am
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 01:21:33 am
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?
They'll ban you for anything anti-Nutt (or Arkansas) over there.
Now all we can do is sit and watch as the Arkansas media tries to spin this story so it doesn't make Nutt look so bad. We'll be lucky to win 8 or 9 even with our easy schedule next year so long as HDN is calling the plays.
Are you kidding? Have you been over there lately? They will become your best friend for anything Anti-Nutt. They are all darksiders over there and pro-Mustain and Malzahn. I got banned on that site for stating Nutt's ppg under his offense in the SEC. I got unbanned a week later and stated that Mustain wasn't as good as people made him out to be and I got banned again. All of Hogville hates Nutt pretty much. Most the threads over there are fire Nutt and most the Avatars have a picture of Nutt or Stan Heath and saying fire them.
Who can blame Gus? Seriously. For the dude who said it's Gus's fault for wanting to go to Tulsa over Arkansas...give me a break. It was evident throughout the season that Gus wasn't hired to be the OC. He was hired strictly for the purpose of bringing in the Springdale players. By the way, this is a huge NCAA infraction. I wouldn't be surprised to see an investigation now. Some of you Hog fans need to get over yourselves. Some of you, RD included, I truly feel for you. When you support a team it's hard when you constantly get screwed around.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 10:57:29 am
http://www.thesportsanimal.com/
Will carry Live Coverage of Announcement of Gus Malzhan to Tulsa.
That's a dang good station. All I listened to while I was living in Norman.
I've got it on right now.
Who will be the next "O.C."?
Barry Lunney, Mike Malham, Bernie Cox, Don Campbell??
;)
Quote from: Bogey on January 15, 2007, 11:13:31 am
Who will be the next "O.C."?
Barry Lunney, Mike Malham, Bernie Cox, Don Campbell??
;)
Jeff Holt.
Quote from: Col. Trautman Gtown10 on January 15, 2007, 11:05:35 am
Who can blame Gus? Seriously. For the dude who said it's Gus's fault for wanting to go to Tulsa over Arkansas...give me a break. It was evident throughout the season that Gus wasn't hired to be the OC. He was hired strictly for the purpose of bringing in the Springdale players. By the way, this is a huge NCAA infraction. I wouldn't be surprised to see an investigation now. Some of you Hog fans need to get over yourselves. Some of you, RD included, I truly feel for you. When you support a team it's hard when you constantly get screwed around.
Oh I know, the NCAA will insert there nose soon and say uhm Frank? Why did these kids from Springdale High School jump ship after your Offensive Coordinator went somewhere else? We need to talk.
I almost wish, that our program would be investigated and maybe that would be the way out for Houston Nutt. I can't describe in words how much I hate this man, I normally don't hate anyone, but I hate this man, and I despise Frank Broyles, and I don't give two fricks what the Old Frick has done for the U of A, he has overstayed his visit and he needs to go.
The whole program needs to be cleaned out, and if that means years of suck so be it, but at least it's not with Nutt/Broyles pulling the strings. What little fans of Houston Nutt had, are gone, also what support the U of A had for Football...IS GONE!
On Razor's Edge they are reporting David Lee will be named Off Coordinator today. Good deal, he has to get out there and save what recruits we can before Gus can steal them from U of A.
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
The apocalypse is truly upon us...
ya'll are all morons that have nothing better to due
Who do ya'll think we are USC
Quote from: Way_of_the_West on January 15, 2007, 11:21:18 am
ya'll are all morons that have nothing better to due
Who do ya'll think we are USC
At least us morons can SPELL....it is DO not DUE
Now..as stated above..David Lee is being reported to have the job...with it being reported this soon...there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 09:55:47 am
Quote from: Raider3 on January 15, 2007, 09:40:02 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa? any guesses?
Only any WR more than likely. The RBs will still want to play for us because they more than likely aren't coming to run Malzahn's style.
I wouldn't be so sure, how many yards did Mahlzan's back(s) have at Springdale? Especially when you figure in the dump off pass to the RB.
And Arkansas of being the joke of college football continues.
Frick Razorback Football. Frick Nutt threeve times. Frick Frank Broyles. Frick the Murray State Mafia.
Anyone have a link to the Buzz...I heard they were talking about it....
due due due due due due due due due
Is Mitch leaving for Tulsa also ?
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 15, 2007, 11:36:10 am
Anyone have a link to the Buzz...I heard they were talking about it....
www.1037thebuzz.com
http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2731782&name=FPT-2731782-011512&srvc=sz
There's the ESPN link.
Say whatever you want, but it is a step backwards for the one leaving. How much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?
And RD good buddy, we will not get a NCAA investigation.
Quote from: Dipset-Hughes on January 15, 2007, 11:38:21 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
He didn't want to be around Nutt and Frank. He would have been a fool if he would have stayed around them. I think he did a good move. Nutt can not keep good coaches or good players.
The day Arkansas get rid of Nutt I will be an Arkansas fan, until then I'm sticking with LSU.
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 15, 2007, 11:38:11 am
Is Mitch leaving for Tulsa also ?
There is Speculation..but if it is true that we got David Lee...who cares..Lee is DEFINATLLY a step up.
Quote from: RHS on January 15, 2007, 11:40:13 am
Say whatever you want, but it is a step backwards for the one leaving. How much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?
Probably more of it than he was allowed to run at AR.
Quote from: Dipset-Hughes on January 15, 2007, 11:38:21 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
Gus accepted Tulsa's offer because he wants the opportunity to run his style of offense without any interferences from an egotistical head coach.
That sounds more enticing than being the "offensive coordinator" of a team where your playcalling is handcuffed, and you have to have your play pre-approved from a sheet of pre-approved plays.
Quote from: Dipset-Hughes on January 15, 2007, 11:38:21 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
Wake up. Gus didn't run the, or his, offense. What will you do in two years when McFadden is gone and you can't recruit anyone because it's out now that Nutts is out of his mind? Time for Nutts and his whacko mentor Frank B. to GO. I guess the Music City Bowl will look GOOD then.
I cant believe the idiocy Im seeing this morning.."Im going to cheer for Tulsa now thatGus is leaving..Frick Arkansas" You people are proving ESPN right.."They are bigger fans of Springdale and its people than they are of the Razorbacks" That was in a ESPN article around the time of the Bowl Game.
I think that's mostly rage talking. I'll never quit being a razorback fan, but I can't help but to get so ticked off at the people in charge that I think about it.
Not alot of loss. Malzahn leaves and he will have to prove himself as a winner at Tulsa now. IF he doesn't what will be the reason? That head coach did him wrong? As for players leaving, if it is a question about why they came to UA, don't you think it will be more obvious if they go to Tulsa? If nutt wins now, you'll have to acknowledge it, if he losses, then he has no one to blame.
all that group is on their own now, Sink or Swim and lets see what happens.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 11:23:06 am
there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
I'm sure that's what the Arkansas media will try to say. Surely not even a dumba$$ as big as Nutt wouldn't be dumb enough to fire the national coordinator of the year. Dale will lie any way he can to save his image, just as he has done time and time before.
I'm reminded of why I hate everything about the University of Arkansas.
Quote from: Ramblin' Man on January 15, 2007, 11:56:10 am
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 11:23:06 am
there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
I'm sure that's what the Arkansas media will try to say. Surely not even a dumba$$ as big as Nutt wouldn't be dumb enough to fire the national coordinator of the year. Nutt will lie any way he can to save his image, just as he has done time and time before.
I'm reminded of why I hate everything about the University of Arkansas.
Well...if the U of A already has a replacement named...wouldnt you think that they possibly fired Gus...could it be over the parents goind to the AD..perhaps that hacked Broyles off.
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:01:12 pm
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.
Ive got to agree with that.I personally hope he takes Mustain and his Media Circus Mom with him.
Quote from: RHS on January 15, 2007, 11:40:13 amHow much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?
Probably as much as he wants since he's the Asst Head Coach AND the co-offensive coordinator. Not to mention the other co-offensive coordinator was the tight end coach at West Virginia...yup, lotsa HUNH offense there. And Graham wants the HUNH offense installed asap and uses as Tulsa's primary offensive set. Gus is in heaven!
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:01:12 pm
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.
Oh it will settle down now. Down to the Music City bowl for years MAYBE. Big loss. Lets review now. The only thing we do know is you have McFadden one more year and Houston Nutts through 2012. Boy that looks good. Tier 2 school just went tier 3 in my mind. I hope Houston and Frank B stay for years and the Hogs are 5 - 5 each year. It's why it's NOT a big time program.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 12:08:29 pm
Houston Nutts through 2012.
That's his contract but it doesn't mean he'll be here til then. David Lee is coming in and will be Head Coach by 2009. UofA will buy out HDN's contract and send him packing...and rightfully so! Frank is hiring Lee, Nutt isn't!
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:10:53 pm
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.
Care to make the same bet for 2008? LOL.
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?
Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 15, 2007, 12:14:17 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?
Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
Gus has never stayed anywhere too long..look at his record.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 15, 2007, 12:14:17 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?
Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
He is also Tulsa's new ASST HEAD COACH. Guess not a lot of folks know about that.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:15:29 pm
Gus has never stayed anywhere too long..look at his record.
Yes, but the steps have been upward. Tulsa shouldn't be a move up.
Quote from: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:17:21 pm
He is also Tulsa's new ASST HEAD COACH. Guess not a lot of folks know about that.
It's still Tulsa. If it was the head coaching job, I wouldn't question it.
So he is still answerable to someone else, and he has a co-coordinator. Three minds to mess it up. Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools.
I'll bet that if McFadden stays they play in a better bowl in 2008 yes. And I'll consider just a bet on that, let me think a few minutes. I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:20:58 pm
So he is still answerable to someone else, and he has a co-coordinator. Three minds to mess it up. Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools.
I'll bet that if McFadden stays they play in a better bowl in 2008 yes. And I'll consider just a bet on that, let me think a few minutes. I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.
I'm thinking there'll be some NCAA sanctions by that time for improprieties.
BTW, why do folks automatically assume Gus left on his own free will. You'll hear in the next day or two he was "dismissed".
Quote from: Dawg Pound '07 on January 15, 2007, 12:22:26 pm
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.
Tulsa's official athletic website says he is also Assistant Head Coach.
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
I have to laugh at the above post calling him the National Coordinator of the year. That was by Rivals.com and that as far as naming for National Awards is pretty dang small. Had he won the Broyles award it might have meant a little more. Fact is this school was around big time football long before Gus was even thought of a high school coach. It is big time and remain that way for a long time. I am pretty sure it will survive the losing of a former high school coach after only on year. I don't disagree that Gus is not a good coach, but a lot of folks need to get off their knees and stop worshipping Gus and his abilities. I just wonder when Rev. Floyd made his announcement last year right after Gus was hired by Arkansas that he felt Gus was ordained to call plays for the Hogs. I wonder if God gave him an over under on the amount of time he would stay. Another thought might be I wonder how many recruits Gus had on the line now feel as if the were "lied to" or "sold a bill of goods"? Just a thought.
Beck has spoken...ESPN Article was updated
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2731782
Quote"This breaks my heart," Campbell said. "We're going to have to sit down and talk about it. Classes start tomorrow and I don't know what he'll do."
Campbell said her son will not necessarily follow Malzahn to Tulsa, if he opts to transfer.
"He and Gus are not tied at the hip," Campbell said. "But he knows what he's capable of and what his vision for offensive football at Arkansas was. Now you'll have to wonder if that will go by the wayside."
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 15, 2007, 12:14:17 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?
Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
I said all season that he did NOT call the plays. Gus did not care about money, or else he wouldn't have made this move. If this doesn't open some of your eyes I don't know what will. Houston NUTT is PATHETIC..He didn't let him install his offense, which was pretty much the same offense that won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP..People need to realize that Nutt is bringing this program down. Damian Williams transferred for a reason, more details will come out once Malzahn goes on record.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 15, 2007, 12:25:27 pm
Quote from: Dawg Pound '07 on January 15, 2007, 12:22:26 pm
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.
Tulsa's official athletic website says he is also Assistant Head Coach.
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
"University of Arkansas offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn was named assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at The University of Tulsa today, Golden Hurricane Head Coach Todd Graham announced today."
There is a reason why Wood, Malzahn, and even Markuson was looking to get out. If Nutt gains playcalling again, we are in for a RUDE awakening..More like the past 9years..He's out at the end of next season.
Do you think that the Malzahn offense wasn't installed because the QB's couldn't throw or read a defense?
Hey, all you Gus bus lovers, have what you want. If they win big, I'll congratualte him, if he doesn't are you going to lay blame?
Tulsa is a program already on the winning track, Kragthrope had it winning an in the right direction for th past 4 years, so don't go on about how Gus is saving the probram or building it. They have to do better than the average 7 wins a year to be better. We will see.
Where does David Lee coach right now?
I think maybe Gus was smart enough to see that with 2 sub-par QBs and one standout WR that tossing the ball 30 times a game would be a waste. Lets just say that they did throw on average 30 times a game. How do you really think they would have done given the way they threw the ball 15 times each game? Taking away 15 carries from McFadden and Jones each game man that would have been genuis.
Quote from: infinity41 on January 15, 2007, 12:35:24 pm
Where does David Lee coach right now?
David Lee enters into his fourth season with the Cowboys as an offensive assistant, overseeing the team's quality control efforts and working closely with the quarterbacks. He has helped guide the fortunes of three different starting quarterbacks in each of his three previous seasons: Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe. Each player threw for over 3,000 yards, including Bledsoe's 3,639 last season - the second best total in club history.
In 2005, Lee worked with quarterback Drew Bledsoe, who completed 300-of-499 passes for 3,639 yards and 23 touchdowns - the most since Troy Aikman threw 23 in 1992. Bledsoe finished the season with a passer rating of 83.7 which was the third best of his 13-year career. He continued to work with young back-up quarterbacks Tony Romo, who won the number two spot after a training camp battle with Drew Henson.
In 2004, Vinny Testaverde stepped into the starting signal caller role and finished the year with the third most passing yards (3,532) in club history. Lee's continual work with the mechanics of Tony Romo and Drew Henson had both prepared to serve as the team's second quarterback throughout the season.
His work with Quincy Carter in 2003 helped the Cowboys offense finish 15th overall in the NFL - a huge improvement from the 31st spot the club held in 2002 - while making their first playoff appearance since the 1999 season.
Lee came to Dallas with 28 years of coaching experience at the collegiate level, including five as a head coach (1989-93 at Texas El Paso) and eight as an offensive coordinator. During his career, nine of his former quarterbacks were drafted or signed as free agents in the NFL following their collegiate careers.
Prior to arriving in Dallas,
Lee served as the quarterbacks coach at the University of Arkansas for two seasons, helping the Razorbacks to the 2002 Southeastern Conference Western Division title. In 2002, his work with Matt Jones saw the Arkansas quarterback throw for 1,413 yards and 16 touchdowns, the then fourth highest season total in Arkansas history. Jones - a 2005 first round draft choice of the Jacksonville Jaguars - also finished his career at Arkansas atop the SEC's all-time rushing list for quarterbacks.
Before moving to Arkansas, Lee served seven seasons at Rice University. In his tenure at Rice as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, the Owls racked up six of the school's top rushing totals. Rice ranked in the top 10 nationally in rushing three times during his stay. He also helped lead the Owls to a share of the Southwest Conference title in 1994 and their first win over Texas since 1965.
Lee was the head coach at Texas El Paso from 1989-93.
He moved to UTEP after his first stint at the University of Arkansas, where he served as quarterbacks coach. Lee was part of Razorback teams that sported a 45-15-1 record and earned five straight bowl appearances. Included in that run was the 1986 season in which Arkansas quarterbacks threw just two interceptions (a SWC record) while helping the Hogs to a 10-2 record and an Orange Bowl appearance. Promoted to offensive coordinator in 1988, Lee helped engineer the Hogs first Southwest Conference title in nine years with an offensive unit that featured a pair of All-SWC sophomores, quarterback Quinn Grovey and fullback Barry Foster. Lee began his coaching career at Tennessee-Martin (1975-76), where he tutored quarterbacks and receivers. After spending one season at Vanderbilt (1977) as quarterbacks coach, Lee moved to Ole Miss (1978-82) where he was in charge of the Rebels quarterbacks. In 1983, Lee was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at New Mexico.
A three-year letterman at Vanderbilt, Lee served as team captain and was named the team's most valuable player in 1974 after quarterbacking the Commodores to a 7-3-2 record, including a 24-10 upset over fifth-ranked Florida. It was Vanderbilt's first win over the Gators in 15 years. Lee went on to lead the SEC in passing and guide his team to a 6-6 tie against Texas Tech in the Peach Bowl. Lee earned a bachelor's degree in history from Vanderbilt in 1975.
Born on July 2, 1953, in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Lee spent the first 12 years of his childhood in Dexter, Mo. He attended Woodham High School in Pensacola, Fla., where he graduated in 1971. Lee and his wife, Lynne, have four children - daughters Dana (4/3/79) and Shannon (9/16/84), and sons Brian (3/23/77) and Jordan (2/5/86).
Isn't he in the NFL? or did he leave there already?
Quote from: infinity41 on January 15, 2007, 12:35:24 pm
Where does David Lee coach right now?
Was with the Cowboys this past season..looks to be at Arkansas now....
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:20:58 pm
Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools.
I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.
It worked for Boise State, Louisville, Rutgers, and WV. They all played high school schedules and two of them played in the BCS, AHEAD of Arkansas!
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
Oh..Oh...I already know..you all will spin this into "Gus wasnt getting to call the plays yada yada yada and will do better yada yada yada in a weak conference.
Yeah, but is Tulsa going to win 10 games or more? Like I said if they do, I'll congratulate em. If they do not are you going to lay blame on Gus? He is being hired as OC by a head coach who is an acknowledged defensive guy, so Gus may have free reign and no one to blame if it goes to crap. Will you acknowledge that?
Well, well, well how the mighty have fallen! I believe just yesterday I posted the first coach needing to leave would be Gus. It was obvious that Gus was only hired to get the recruits. For everyone to act like he is getting shafted is funny! He knew he was not going to run his offense when he came here and he should have been the one that told the springdale kids this isn't game prep for Prescott!! Nutt and Frank run the the show! Nutt gets the blame as some god awful liar but really who do you think MM signed to play for Nutt or Gus? So who do you think lied to get him to sign? Gus new dammm well he was not ever going to run the spread with two all american running backs and a senior dominated offensive line. Surely a man that many believe is smart enough to have hung the moon knew that! Especially since I never saw one quote from Nutt saying UA would be a spread team.
Not only is this not the apocalypse a new a brighter day is shinning one not influence by a few select individuals from Springdale and the Hogs big time boosters. The situation was about to get out of control like at Alabama. Had it been Nutt's decision he would have NEVER hired Gus. If MM transfers let him but it is sure strange that a kid that had Notre Dame and Florida and others wanting him ends up at Tulsa! For those who say Florida won the Championship running Gus offense...BULL. Florida won because they had superior talent! They could have ran the wishbone and still beat Ohio by 14! Oh I guess their defense was OK! ::)
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:42:06 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
Oh..Oh...I already know..you all will spin this into "Gus wasnt getting to call the plays yada yada yada and will do better yada yada yada in a weak conference.
Got to agree here.
10/03/06 vs. Southern Miss * Tulsa, Okla. W, 20-6
10/14/06 at East Carolina * Greenville, N.C. W, 31-10
10/21/06 at Memphis * Memphis, Tenn. W, 35-14
10/27/06 vs. UTEP * Tulsa, Okla. W, 30-20
11/04/06 at Houston * Houston, Texas L, 27-10
11/11/06 vs. Rice * Tulsa, Okla. L, 41-38 (2OT)
11/18/06 at SMU * Dallas, Texas L, 34-24
11/24/06 vs. Tulane * Tulsa, Okla. W, 38-3
That's Tulsa's conference schedule. Notice the 2OT loss vs Rice...where Tulsa's new HC was HC in 06.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:42:06 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.
Maybe things were as good as our ole boy Nutt made them out to be- he said in several interviews that things were great and you don't go 10-4 if your coaches don't get along, but......... Malzahn is gone, Woods would have been gone if he got the job at NC, we will see
Quote from: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:47:10 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:42:06 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.
OK..then he is STILL a liar..I mean..you all say he didnt have control of the offense..yet he said he had control of it and was the one calling the plays...and it was obvious in the Bowl game especially..like said above..we didnt have a decent QB or receiver corps..we HAD to use DMAC and Jones...either way..Gus is a liar.
Like the three Springdale whiners, he was overrated. It won't be hard to replace him with quality, especially when we have the best RB in the country. Now, if he will just take Mustain and Cleveland with him, we might have peace on the team. McFadden IS a prima donna but doesn't act like one. Mustain and Cleveland just act like one.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:48:56 pm
Quote from: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:47:10 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 12:42:06 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.
yet he said he had control of it and was the one calling the plays
Ah, the ol' "coach's speak". Guess he'll get bashed for trying to take some of the heat off the head coach.
Quote from: invictus on January 15, 2007, 12:50:20 pm
Like the three Springdale whiners, he was overrated. It won't be hard to replace him with quality, especially when we have the best RB in the country. Now, if he will just take Mustain and Cleveland with him, we might have peace on the team. McFadden IS a prima donna but doesn't act like one. Mustain and Cleveland just act like one.
You would think some of you would learn a lesson! What if Tulsa turns into the next Boise State? Will all of you disappear and never admit that you were wrong about Gus? I remember the majority of you Einsteins on here stating that DMac would never play running back at Arkansas, maybe in the secondary. Remember that? It is obvious that few of the posters on here really understand football on the level of Gus or even Nutt (myself included). So why make an butt out of yourself and make statements about whether someone will succeed of fail? He has been considerably successful at every level, except maybe at Arkansas (under Nutt!), so chances are, he will be successful at Tulsa. Best to wait and see.
IMO, Gus sees this Tulsa job as next the next stepping stone to a BIG D-1 job.
I doubt that he stays very long. He plans on being the next Steve Spurrier and will do WHATEVER it takes to get there.
I'm not a big fan of him personally...but I believe he will be successful wherever he goes.
Arkansas' loss...Tulsa's gain. Spin it anyway you want, but this isn't going to help our program.
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
He was calling pre-approved plays.
Quote from: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 01:09:09 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
He was calling pre-approved plays.
Can you PROVE that..dont give me speculation..give me PROOF.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 01:15:41 pm
Quote from: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 01:09:09 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
He was calling pre-approved plays.
Can you PROVE that..dont give me speculation..give me PROOF.
Yea, I am tired of this being said too. Malzahn may not have had as much control as he wanted, but he did call most of the plays. He had enough control over this offense.
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 12:10:53 pm
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.
You're probably right. I said on another thread. Saban will have a better record over two years than Nutt. Not sure on record but it's apples to oranges on UA vs Tulsa. I bet Gus steals some recruits from nutts.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 15, 2007, 12:14:17 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?
Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
The guy is a football coach and was used to get 5 kids from Springdale. The NCAA investigation will show that. He wants to run a football team. In Tulsa he can do that. He'll progress farther faster if he can run a division 1 show. He wasn't taken seriously at Arkansas and Gus will have the last laugh down the road. Nutt and his mini-me Frank have a problem with "keeping their word". Screw UofA, they're getting what the deserve now.
Well Grit, Trey Biddy are spinning it already. Grit is saying Gus being forces on HDN was not fair.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope Notre Dame inherits the worlds worst case of herpes ::) Frick off.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.
Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.
Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
SCS, WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MY POST OR THE RAZORBACKS. A TRUE FAN WILL STILL BACK THEM WHEN THEY ARE 5-5. HOW MANY FANS DO YOU SUPPOSE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW TULSA WHEN THEY ARE 5-5? HOW MANY FANS IN FACT DOES TULSA HAVE? I BET THEY PACK THE STANDS WITH 10,000 EVERY GAME. THE REAL JOKE IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HATE A PERSON OR TEAM AND SPEND THEIR EFFORTS SPREADING IT MORE THAN JUST THE ONCE. YOUR ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU HATE THE RAZORBACKS WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED AND MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT SCHOOL IS IT YOU ARE SUCH A GRAND ALUM?
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.
How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
Bingo!!!!!!!!! A lie is a lie. Or maybe things change after the fact.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 01:28:48 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.
Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.
Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point. I never have been a fan of the UofA. I've said before it's a tier 2 program. However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc.. I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before. I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled. It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University? No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base. Tier 2 program, with a regional impact. Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence. I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:29:32 pm
SCS, WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MY POST OR THE RAZORBACKS. A TRUE FAN WILL STILL BACK THEM WHEN THEY ARE 5-5. HOW MANY FANS DO YOU SUPPOSE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW TULSA WHEN THEY ARE 5-5? HOW MANY FANS IN FACT DOES TULSA HAVE? I BET THEY PACK THE STANDS WITH 10,000 EVERY GAME. THE REAL JOKE IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HATE A PERSON OR TEAM AND SPEND THEIR EFFORTS SPREADING IT MORE THAN JUST THE ONCE. YOUR ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU HATE THE RAZORBACKS WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED AND MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT SCHOOL IS IT YOU ARE SUCH A GRAND ALUM?
Why are you using this as a chance to slam Tulsa? What have they done? This is about Houton gone Nutts and his mini-me sidekick Frank B.. They lied and it's going to hurt the UofA. The fact Gus did leave UofA for Tulsa should say something there. He wanted OUT of here. He's not the only one. Watch.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:31:03 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.
How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
I love it. Okay, I hope they go .500. Make you feel better? I do agree with you that it's a better situation for him in Tulsa. Much better and yes, closer to his dream. He's also in a place where he can run his offense. Just like he was told he could here. I wish him well. I also hope all the "verbal commits" to Arkansas take notice. Run, don't walk.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:46:41 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:31:03 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.
How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
I love it. Okay, I hope they go .500. Make you feel better? I do agree with you that it's a better situation for him in Tulsa. Much better and yes, closer to his dream. He's also in a place where he can run his offense. Just like he was told he could here. I wish him well. I also hope all the "verbal commits" to Arkansas take notice. Run, don't walk.
Like I said..he didnt step up to a challenge..he had to go somewhere where there is less talent playing against him.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:41:38 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 01:28:48 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.
Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.
Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point. I never have been a fan of the UofA. I've said before it's a tier 2 program. However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc.. I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before. I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled. It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University? No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base. Tier 2 program, with a regional impact. Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence. I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess.
Do you honestly think that? The reason they put those there was to make more room for people during the USC game. It had nothing to do with the Springdale crew. When Texas played here a few years ago there were so many people outside of the stadium trying to get seats. They tried to add more seats because the USC game was going to be one of the biggest games played in Fayetteville just based on what they did to us last year and their ranking at the time.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:48:08 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:41:38 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 01:28:48 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.
Well said homer. I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year. I think what Gus did was great. He was told one thing and got another. It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to. I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.
Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.
Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point. I never have been a fan of the UofA. I've said before it's a tier 2 program. However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc.. I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before. I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled. It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University? No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base. Tier 2 program, with a regional impact. Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence. I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess.
Do you honestly think that? The reason they put those there was to make more room for people during the USC game. It had nothing to do with the Springdale crew. When Texas played here a few years ago there were so many people outside of the stadium trying to get seats. They tried to add more seats because the USC game was going to be one of the biggest games played in Fayetteville just based on what they did to us last year and their ranking at the time.
I also was at the USC game, because of the Springdale connection. All I know is I doubt they will need them again unless we're to open as another teams patsy game next year.
The funniest thing I heard after the USC game was a person say... "All good schools open with a patsy to get the season off right. We just didn't realize we were USC's patsy".
You're all wearing me down today. I think the UofA got EXACTLY what it deserved, and I guess wanted. They have a new OC and Nutt until 2012. Good luck boys. Keep supporting them and be a hog to the grave.
Springdale, the Juggernaut of the football world. What would the U of A do without them? Now that is the joke SCS. As a Razorback fan I truly hope you are right and not only the Springdale connection but anyone that is not committed to the U of A leave and leave immediately.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:00:03 pm
Springdale, the Juggernaut of the football world. What would the U of A do without them? Now that is the joke SCS. As a Razorback fan I truly hope you are right and not only the Springdale connection but anyone that is not committed to the U of A leave and leave immediately.
Say what you want before they started winning, who had the Hogs in the national press? It wasn't Nutts. It was the new OC and the "Springdale" connection. Don't worry, it will go back to what it was before Sprindale ruined the UofA. Right back to Houston Nutts football and all the national recruits that flow in here on a regular basis. It will be back to Razorback football. The best sport in a 200 mile radius. Good luck.
Quote from: wheeels on January 15, 2007, 01:33:37 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
I don't see many players (especially any of quality) leaving the U of A to follow Malzahn to Tulsa. He has taken a step down so why would a player who has a chance to play in the SEC. I don't think we will lose any recruits as well. Again, why play for a mid-major when you have a chance to play in the SEC. As was readily apparent this year, the SEC is the premier football conference in America. If you can play there, you have to be a top level player. I believe Malzahn was a pleasant surprise. Quite frankly, I never expected him to succeed after making such a big jump. I think he did well, though I do believe that he was somewhat over his head in the SEC. Like Mustain, I believe he was surprised by the quickness of the players. I'm sure that Coach Nutt and Coach Woods called a good portion of the plays. They had the experience at that level and I don't think our success would have been as good if Malzahn had been left alone to call all plays.
I have said it several times. If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations. I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.
SCS = SHILOH CHRISTIAN SAINTS. No wonder you hate the Razorbacks and love Gus. Gus made Shiloh. I can't remember but were they playing in 1A or 2A when Gus was there? He did a great job and won several state championships. He did such a great job that he was promoted the big high school in town. Did he win one or two state championships there? I dont recall. The national press? Wasn't that Matt Jones when he was here and McFadden now? The only thing the Springdale connection did for the U of A was make it a laughing stock for a week when momma and her whiny boy cried to Broyles. What a joke!
Gus owns Shiloh.
Quote from: wheeels on January 15, 2007, 01:33:37 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 01:37:35 pm
Bingo!!!!!!!!! A lie is a lie. Or maybe things change after the fact.
There comes a point when you have to decide what is a classy move and what is just flat out lying...I don't know what the deal is here...too much shady things going on at the Hill for me to take a guess...
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 02:08:42 pm
I have said it several times. If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations. I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.
I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Quote from: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:17:39 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 02:08:42 pm
I have said it several times. If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations. I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.
I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Not yet.
How do we get rid of Broyles? Now is time for Chancellor White to try to get Frank out. He will have a LOT of support this time for sure!!
Lindsey needs to go OFF the U of A Trustee Board He supports his former "coach" to much, even during bad times of meddling in football affairs. The new govenor can make this happen, UNappoint him.
Recruiting is going to suffer BIG TIME - Transfers and reversal of AR commitments will KILL the program for years to come .. The NCAA investigation of 3-4 years ago (BROYLES involved in that too) will look like small potatoes compared to the damage of today.
Nutt needs to go.. This will take guts of Lindsey and Broyles. Won't happen, therefore!! What will do the trick is for Foundation funds to drop 30-40% and then the U of A may fire Broyles for incompetence in management...
I have given up my Foundation relationship of 40+ years today - They won't miss my Broyles-Matthews money but multiply me by 2000-3000 other former fans and you can see the $millions down the drain. No more money to hire and fire at will by Broyles. No more freeby perks for Frank.. Frank is so lonely without constant positive strokes from former players and present co-workers. Funny thing is that they ALL talk behind his back about his deteorating mental capacity and ego. heck, he is NOT, repeat NOT, a coach now.. Lighten up. He has just turned into a bad AD and will be remembered for this fiasco instead of good things of a few years ago.
FAIRWELL to Nutt, Lindsey and Broyles - I am outta here for good.
C W
In the end it will come down to winning in 2007. If that happens no body will care that Gus is gone except the die hard Gus fan.
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62745.0
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 02:18:41 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:17:39 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 15, 2007, 02:08:42 pm
I have said it several times. If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations. I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.
I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Not yet.
Just never will. They may get the occasional big time recruit. But they are in the same state with 2 big time D-1 schools and one of those is one of the most successful ever.
Just heard on Sports in Fort, not confirming, but this guy said he had lunch with some Insiders, Gus and Alex were shown the door and blamed Gus for all the drama, and was asked to find another job, so his career would not be ruined.
Is this a cover up move, a firing of the Offensive Coordinator, or a legitimate shot at another coaching job?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:33:25 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
Exactly. I'm renewing my Broyles-Mathews money this year (would have done it no matter who the coaches are/arent). I haven't been giving for 40+ years so maybe I'll have a better chance to move up in seating with fbhound gone. The Razorback program has survived many challenges in its history (losing a coach one year out of HS doesn't count as a big challenge to me) and it will survive this one. Say what you want about Coach Broyles, but he is one of, if not the most, respected AD's among his peers. Yes, maybe he micomanages a little too much at time, but just walk around the campus and look at the facilities that have been built in his tenure. We are second to nobody. That includes baseball, track, basketball, football and on an on. If fbhound doen't attend the games next year, I can almost assure you that there will be someone there to buy his seat. Ten wins, a possible Heisman Trophy and three or four first team all-Americans are a real possibility. We had those before Malzahn came and we will have them after he is gone.
This is just something that had to happen. It was a forced marriage to begin with. I have said it before and I am saying it again. There is not one man worth his salt that would have allowed Gus to come in and take things over when he was forced on the boss. Anyone who in their given job would allow that to happen just is not much of a man. Now I think that the reason that Houston was in this spot to begin with is because he had a lack of backbone when he first got to Arkansas. Many firings and hirings have been done by phone and an inability to look certain men in the face when he fired them. That is just part of the game. But like I said. No way in hades are you bringing in the high school book writing pass expert and one uping me. I'll burn him at every turn because I AM THE BOSS.
Did anyone else hear about the moon landing? Or was that just a cover up also?
http://www.5newsonline.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1173248&h1=VIDEO%3A%205Sports%20Director%20Mike%20Irwin%20comments%20about%20Malzahn%20leaving%20Arkansas.&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=149033&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&activePane=info&playerVersion=9&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.5newsonline.com/&rnd=44609926
This is all I have right now on what the big time media has to say about it. Can't wait to hear what Chuck and Shaeffer have to say...
There is "speculation" that Malzahn was fired and that the U of A already has a replacement in David Lee
Lets see where everyone stands.
With me, this is a lot more complex than any of us will ever know. Everyone "knows" this and "knows that", but in reality we know very little. This was evident in how quickly Gus managed to take a job before most even knew that he was looking or the opportunity presented itself. Just last week, he said all the proper things and appeared to be satisfied/content/happy with his comments. Now he's gone.
If you have a better reasonable option. Simply post it. Try to be civil and limit your comments to a paragraph without straying to long speculations.
HOUSTON NUTT STATEMENT ON GUS MALZAHN'S HIRING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TULSA
FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Arkansas offensive coordinator and wide receivers coach Gus Malzahn was announced as the new assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at the University of Tulsa on Monday morning. Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt was out of town recruiting on Monday, but issued this brief statement regarding Malzahn's hiring at Tulsa.
"Gus Malzahn has resigned his position at the University of Arkansas to become the assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at the University of Tulsa. We are very appreciative of the many contributions Gus made to our staff and to our program during his tenure with the Razorbacks. In his first season as a coach at the collegiate level, he was an integral part of a team that won 10 games and won an SEC Western Division championship. I wish him nothing but the best both personally and professionally as he takes on his new role."
I started a thread with that link a couple of minutes ago
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:33:25 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
Off base by a mile. I am in north central AR ole' buddy.
And the way YOU talk you are definitely slanted toward the Razorbacks as if nothing done on the "Hill" is wrong. My opinion is shared by 90% of the "fans" out there, based on talk shows and on-line chat rooms today. Many are fans who are just finally FED UP with accepting the excuses given by others (the minority).
Now, you played at the U of A.. Great for you. I played at an SEC school but was born and raised in AR, just got to walk on and play for a fine academic school. I am qualified to criticize, being a citizen of this state all my life and being a contributor to the U of A, not my old college where I first started my vocational training... I graduated from the U of A with a PhD. So, I am not from Springdale, do not particularly like Malzahn per se but do NOT like what has happened to the U of A sports programs with Broyles at the helm. To the vast majority of us, enough is enough and it's my money to support with or not.
Having said that, are you Houston Nutt or some coach up there?!! Sure sounds like it. Bet you live a block from the stadium ...
There was always speculation that the whole "Moon landing" was done on a sound stage in LA. So what does everyone else think. Or should I just attach my posts here to the other threads about this topic?
fbhound, you are correct in that it is your money and you can criticize. I am not a large Houston Nutt fan over the years but can find no blame in him for this one. The whole perceived atmosphere created after the Springdale group meeting makes me sour on anything having to do with Springdale at the U of A. I would disagree in that 90% of the fans are disgusted with the Razorbacks. I feel like 90% are ecstatic over the 10 wins this year and the other 10% would be unhappy regardless. Contrary to popular belief 90% of fans are not voiced on this or any message board.
A large percent of the people that frequent the message boards and call in to the radio shows are likely fed up, but they make a very minor part of the entire fan base.
Quote from: CASPER on January 15, 2007, 03:11:33 pm
FIRE NUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your a little late, tiger.
Facebook group (http://saumag.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229276195) on the issue.
I can't believe this, I just can't believe it, what is the connection with Gus and the HC to be named Assistant HC and Co-OC?
Good Luck to Gus and the Family
Gus I hope you know what you are doing!!
This stuff is simply starting to get old. Whether you are Nutt lover or a Nutt basher, this last year has simply been bizarre. From the recruiting frenzy of the SD gang to the rocky season opener to the exciting mid-season run to the disappointing end to the reg season to the parent meeting with JFB to DW's departure and subsequent speculation to a bowl game loss to Gus's departure, it's been a roller coaster that Disney World would be proud to have in it's theme park. It was a solid warning signal when many fans were not enjoying the success during the season. The QB debate and other basically trivial issues created unrest and destroyed what should have been a really enjoyable season.
Shame on all of us! Our collective chatroom banter and call-in radio talk shows have created a monster that gobbles up everything in it's path. There are very few good days. The negativity and speculation that has engulfed every single aspect of the daily workings within and around the football program is simply ridiculous.
Blame Nutt. Blame Gus. Blame Beck. Blame Frank. Blame FF. Blame Drivetime Sports. Blame Springdale. Blame your next door neighbor's best friends girl friends dad's boss. But above all, blame ourselves. We have created this mess. Big plus to HN and GM for keeping their private issues out of the public eye. Shame on me for posting this!
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:08:05 pm
The whole perceived atmosphere created after the Springdale group meeting makes me sour on anything having to do with Springdale at the U of A. I would disagree in that 90% of the fans are disgusted with the Razorbacks. I feel like 90% are ecstatic over the 10 wins this year and the other 10% would be unhappy regardless. Contrary to popular belief 90% of fans are not voiced on this or any message board.
BUT, you forget we should have won at least two of those final 3 games (I was at all three) and THAT would have been something to be proud of!
Ecstatic is not what I feel after those last 3 losses, mostly due to a non functional passing attack and not the fault of Fish for the punt fumble. Which brings up another coach that needs to go, the special teams director general, Shibest. How many consecutive games do we need a punt blocked before we cover correctly? Who ever heard of a center snapper grabbing a face mask at a critical time? This year, after being GIVEN two games at Vandy and here against AL, should have been 12-2 at worst. Just a play here and play there (as Nutt said) could have made a difference.. Well you can say that about almost ANY game where you lose by < 7 points (LSU and Wisconsin)..
It is not what we did as much as what we SHOULD have done, given to close games... Run 3 and punt. Sound familiar Frank?
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 03:09:33 pm
A large percent of the people that frequent the message boards and call in to the radio shows are likely fed up, but they make a very minor part of the entire fan base.
I very much agree. I had a political consultant tell me once that 10% of the people love you no matter what, 10% hate you and the other 80% are just along for the ride. If 90% of the fans are fed up for real, the stands will be empty next year because Coach Broyles will still be AD and Coach Nutt will still be the head coach on the way to another 10 win season. If fbhound is right, there will be some great seats up for grabs! I'll be first in line.
My thought is this...you don't want to be a team player...good luck on your future. Don't care where any of em go. Good riddance!!
I will be first in line to grab any great seats that come up available also!!!
fbhound, I am starting to agree with you! However, I do not see where it is time to drop support for the Razorbacks over a season where they won the SEC West. If we dont win the SEC West and the overall SEC championship next year then maybe it is time to back up and re-evaluate things.
Who is Malzahn?
Quote from: busta on January 15, 2007, 02:45:15 pm
Is this a cover up move, a firing of the Offensive Coordinator, or a legitimate shot at another coaching job?
Idiot.
Forked Tongue: You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick.. You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
So what about the moon landing? Any word on that yet today?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:25:14 pm
fbhound, I am starting to agree with you! However, I do not see where it is time to drop support for the Razorbacks over a season where they won the SEC West. If we dont win the SEC West and the overall SEC championship next year then maybe it is time to back up and re-evaluate things.
I agree. Tomorrow I will wake up in a cold sweat wondering how to get my seats back. Maybe we all need to take a long breath and listen to Rick and Drive Time and The Huddle to get our minds straight again.. Thanks for the slap.
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Quote from: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:31:06 pm
Forked Tongue: You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick.. You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you. No one is totally right here. This point on point argument is futile. I think this cuts both ways. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
Note: Nutt was late to the Heisman awards. There was a death in his family. I think it was nice the focus was on his player and his mother.
Quote from: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:04:36 pm
Quote from: wheeels on January 15, 2007, 01:33:37 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
I don't see many players (especially any of quality) leaving the U of A to follow Malzahn to Tulsa. He has taken a step down so why would a player who has a chance to play in the SEC. I don't think we will lose any recruits as well. Again, why play for a mid-major when you have a chance to play in the SEC. As was readily apparent this year, the SEC is the premier football conference in America. If you can play there, you have to be a top level player. I believe Malzahn was a pleasant surprise. Quite frankly, I never expected him to succeed after making such a big jump. I think he did well, though I do believe that he was somewhat over his head in the SEC. Like Mustain, I believe he was surprised by the quickness of the players. I'm sure that Coach Nutt and Coach Woods called a good portion of the plays. They had the experience at that level and I don't think our success would have been as good if Malzahn had been left alone to call all plays.
I see those loyal to Gus going but you're correct, not many will leave to the Arkansas to go to Tulsa. However, there are many more schools, dang good ones, in the SEC other than Arkansas. Is it that much of a stretch to leave the Circus on the hill to go play for Nick Saban at Alabama, the National Champion Florida Gators, LSU etc..? You loyal Hog fans have what you want, it's back the way it was before Gus, Damien etc.. screwed things up. It's back to Frank/Nutts football. Back to good old Hog ball. You should be happy.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 03:33:22 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
RT.. I was being sarcastic about the title of the thread. I changed the post to relect it more accurately. I know who David Lee is! Thanks for responsing though.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:11:40 pm
SCS = SHILOH CHRISTIAN SAINTS. No wonder you hate the Razorbacks and love Gus. Gus made Shiloh. I can't remember but were they playing in 1A or 2A when Gus was there? He did a great job and won several state championships. He did such a great job that he was promoted the big high school in town. Did he win one or two state championships there? I dont recall. The national press? Wasn't that Matt Jones when he was here and McFadden now? The only thing the Springdale connection did for the U of A was make it a laughing stock for a week when momma and her whiny boy cried to Broyles. What a joke!
The Shiloh bashing is on the 3A board. Come on over, lots of room and no waiting. I'm not a Gus lover (that sounded bad) as much as Nutt hater. You Hog fans have what you want. Gus, Damien and most likely Mitch soon out of the way. Sorry they screwed up the UofA. It's back to the way all of you like it. Frank B calling the shots, Houston Nutts embarrassing himself with the band when they win one they shouldn't have. It's good ole Hog ball. Enjoy.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/01/15/malzahn.arkansas.ap/
bump
Quote from: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:46:30 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:33:25 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
Exactly. I'm renewing my Broyles-Mathews money this year (would have done it no matter who the coaches are/arent). I haven't been giving for 40+ years so maybe I'll have a better chance to move up in seating with fbhound gone. The Razorback program has survived many challenges in its history (losing a coach one year out of HS doesn't count as a big challenge to me) and it will survive this one. Say what you want about Coach Broyles, but he is one of, if not the most, respected AD's among his peers. Yes, maybe he micomanages a little too much at time, but just walk around the campus and look at the facilities that have been built in his tenure. We are second to nobody. That includes baseball, track, basketball, football and on an on. If fbhound doen't attend the games next year, I can almost assure you that there will be someone there to buy his seat. Ten wins, a possible Heisman Trophy and three or four first team all-Americans are a real possibility. We had those before Malzahn came and we will have them after he is gone.
????? Broyles respected amongst his peers? Just who do you consider his peers? You can't be talking about his peers at the other top 25 schools. PLEASE. He needs to go. Great man, maybe I don't know him. Great career, I'll even give him that. A great, present day AD? Amongst his peer set? Come on.
SCS, I will enjoy every single win we get at the U of A. In case your Saints have an off year one of these days or even 10 for that matter please remember you are a fan of the program and not an individual or particular team.
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
I think Gus and Alex were both shown the door.
Quote from: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:31:06 pm
Forked Tongue: You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick.. You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
Houston can't read. The person that cuts up Frank B's food puts the articles into pictures for both of them.
I would show Wood the door off what we saw this year.
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
Maybe. But I think more than anything, this confirms that Nutt is unwilling to let go of the offense and that he lied to Gus to get him there in the first place just so the U of A might land some quality athletes that otherwise they had no shot at.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:49:50 pm
SCS, I will enjoy every single win we get at the U of A. In case your Saints have an off year one of these days or even 10 for that matter please remember you are a fan of the program and not an individual or particular team.
Fair enough. The sad part is this area of country has approx. 1000 new families a week moving in. Benton County Arkansas is the fastest growing county in the US. Do you think those people coming in could be potential fans? Do you think many of them, someday, might look to the U of A for their kids? You will always be a fan, you must be an alum. That's great. Through thick and thin, I get it. However, for Arkansas to be a nationally recognized program it needs more than the alum to like them. How many Gator fans are there today that have never been to the State of Florda? Need we talk about the national following for Notre Dame. Notre Dame has 9,600 students so that alum base isn't growing each year. And there isn't 1000 people a week moving to South Bend. What about Ohio State, LSU etc.. This little soap opera in Fayetteville is embarrassing for the U of A, Houston Nutts, NW Arkansas etc.. It just goes to show the "small time" workings at the U of A.
Gus leaving won't have an impact on the football program as much as the soap opera of all of this. Remember, there was a soap opera before Gus even got here as well. CLEAN HOUSE.
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with...
Don't be afraid to use a little thought now and then.
Maybe if Arkansas was the leading Catholic college in America they could gain the same type of recognition as Notre Dame. No school compares to them.
SCS, I would have cleaned house the year we lost to Vanderbilt in Fayetteville after running the same running play 4 times in a row. Not today based on Gus leaving, dissatisfied Springdale guys, along with posting a 10 win season.
I think the only reason Nutt hired Gus to begin with was so the U of A might land some requits that they would not have gotten otherwise. You won't hear it from Gus. He is too classy a guy to go that route, but this move, to me, confirms what has been pretty obvious all year. Nutt's ego won't let him stay out of the offense. If you hire a guy to do a job, you should get out of the way and let him do that job.
I hope that the bridges haven't been completely burned, so that maybe someday, when Frank and HDN are gone, Gus could come back. Of course, he may be too old by that time.
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 04:07:48 pm
Maybe if Arkansas was the leading Catholic college in America they could gain the same type of recognition as Notre Dame. No school compares to them.
Fair. So who does Arkansas compare to on the national stage? I say, you'll hate me. Rutgers, West Virginia, Boise State, Utah, Cincy etc.. Good programs, regionally, that have a few years just around the top but NOT there. Please don't have this question/response bring out the Notre Dame haters. I realize they need help on the team and this is to compare the NATIONAL following/support of a team.
In two years most people we be back to saying "where is Rutgers located at"? Just like two years ago. The good news is it's the Arkansas Razorbacks and not the F-ville Razorbacks so in two years people won't forget where they're located.
"requits" miskey? Freudian slip? or just an accident? I like it though.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 04:10:14 pm
SCS, I would have cleaned house the year we lost to Vanderbilt in Fayetteville after running the same running play 4 times in a row. Not today based on Gus leaving, dissatisfied Springdale guys, along with posting a 10 win season.
We finally agree. It's bigger than Gus. Involving Gus just drags in MANY local, non-Alum fan fence riders. The fish stinks from the head down. Frank B is the head of the fish.
SCS, I had the privilege to meet an Ohio State fan early on this football season. Now they take football serious in that part of the country. To your surprise he knew all about the Razorbacks including Fayetteville. We are not a well known program like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, or USC, but I guarantee you we are a level above Rutgers, Boise State, and the teams you mentioned. More people than you know remember the years Matt Jones made all his unbelievable plays.
All players have 24 hours to make up there mind to transfer or not.
Quote from: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:07:19 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with...
Don't be afraid to use a little thought now and then.
That
IS my thought...they are selfish. Be a team player or get the heck out. I agree about Broyles and have for 20 years now. But the situation is what it is and ain't gonna change.
Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group. Every town has it's underdesirables.
One word - AMBITION
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 03:32:53 pm
So what about the moon landing? Any word on that yet today?
Yes the moon landing was done on a sound stage, it is all a conspiracy. ;D
Which Moon?
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:32:38 pm
Which Moon?
All of them. Everything is a conspiracy the moon, Kennedy, AIDS, everything. :D
Ref's at SS vs VB game too?
The refs in every Dallas game. They are all conspiring against the Cowboys.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 03:33:22 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick doesn't hold for FGs
;)
Quote from: FF secretary of sarcasmMEATHEAD on January 15, 2007, 04:43:57 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 03:33:22 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick doesn't hold for FGs
;)
We kick FG's?
Quote from: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 04:02:01 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
Maybe. But I think more than anything, this confirms that Nutt is unwilling to let go of the offense and that he lied to Gus to get him there in the first place just so the U of A might land some quality athletes that otherwise they had no shot at.
Do you know personally that anyone was lied to? Or is that just a personal opinion? Because I'm assuming you were not there. If you were, then my deepest apologies and feel free to set me straight.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:36:30 pm
Ref's at SS vs VB game too?
Especially the refs at that game and all the Cowboy's games too. Conspiracy is everywhere.
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 04:20:36 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:07:19 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group. Every town has it's underdesirables.
Have you ever spoken with Ben, Andrew, Mitch, or Damien? I can tell you haven't, because if you had you wouldn't refer to them as undesirables. They're good kids in a bad situation with some parents that don't know when to shut up.
think more - post less.
Quote from: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:57:59 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 04:20:36 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:07:19 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group. Every town has it's underdesirables.
Have you ever spoken with Ben, Andrew, Mitch, or Damien? I can tell you haven't, because if you had you wouldn't refer to them as undesirables. They're good kids in a bad situation with some parents that don't know when to shut up.
think more - post less.
Don't need to. Actions speak louder than words.
Sorry can't get the quote thing to work right. That whole group has been nothing but a pain in the butt ever since they got there. So take Mama and go elsewhere. Bunch a crybabies who will end up on the side of the road leaning on a shovel with the highway department.
All I know is that when Malzhan was hired, Nutt said he was going to turn the offense over to him and get out of the way. Gus would be responsible for play calling,...the works. In other words, he would be the Offensive Coordinator. No you go back and look at that LSU game and the plays called in crucial situations, down the stretch, and tell me if you honestly think someone who has been coaching a spread offense for the past several years would waste throwing the ball down field into double and triple coverage, when you have 2:00 minutes to go 70 yards. Two minutes is an eternity. No need to throw 3 straight "bombs", (duds), and give the ball right back to LSU. Gus would have been calling for 10-15 yrd sideline routes to get out of bounds and save the clock. That is the type offense that he and most of the recievers are familiar with, and I believe we even had a QB who knew how to throw those type passes, (on the sidelines).
So does this mean we wont see the "Wildcat" formation anymore? :'(
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 04:18:09 pm
All players have 24 hours to make up there mind to transfer or not.
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All I know is when you bring a new offense in, you don't bring it all in with one season. The players are not there for that particular offense. It takes time unless you want a season worse than the one they had. Yea, I was disappointed with the ending we had but the season as a whole was a heck of a good start from the season before. So I'll say it again...good bye, good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out..or where the good Lord split you.
Quote from: Dawg Pound '07 on January 15, 2007, 04:28:52 pm
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.
That'd probably be it.
This move does not surprise me....I just know for a fact the wrong coach is gone....And the HOGS will be the worst for it.....SS
Go Scrappers ::)
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:13:02 pm
"requits" miskey? Freudian slip? or just an accident? I like it though.
...LOL, caught me, there, but, well, we'll see.
I just thought it was unusally funny
Just wondering how you know this as a FACT. Just a strange way to put it. I don't like either one at all, but one has multiple years as a D-1 coach the other has been a high school coach.
Way to go Gus!!! Rides the second tank outta Hogland..
Vice President Rd - why resort to name calling. Sorry! I forgot you are showing the highest level of education you have. My bad!
Quote from: Dawg Pound '07 on January 15, 2007, 04:28:52 pm
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.
So are you saying they drugged the man? I mean you did mean doped into coming to the U of A. Houston never wanted him. Well he would have taken him as the TEs coach, but Houston's hand was forced on the hiring of Gus.
I also believe Frank has overdone his stay.What other 83 year old man would stay at his Job.I mean at that age people are enjoying retirement not ruling a school.
As far as Nutt goes,I respect him alot,but he is not a good coach.
My opinion is Frank still has control and he wasn't going to let Gus do his thing.
Quote from: bearcat1983 on January 15, 2007, 07:34:20 pm
I also believe Frank has overdone his stay.What other 83 year old man would stay at his Job.I mean at that age people are enjoying retirement not ruling a school.
As far as Nutt goes,I respect him alot,but he is not a good coach.
My opinion is Frank still has control and he wasn't going to let Gus do his thing.
I wouldn't mind being in as good of shape when I'm 83 and hopefully, I'll still be working. What is retirement anyway but the next step to the grave. He has done a great job for the program and still is. Why are we getting so bent out of shape over one high school coach who really has yet to prove himself. He was over his head in the very quick and fast SEC so maybe he will do better at Tulsa. If not, I'm sure there is a HS out there somewhere.
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 07:05:10 pm
Just wondering how you know this as a FACT. Just a strange way to put it. I don't like either one at all, but one has multiple years as a D-1 coach the other has been a high school coach.
Because the one with multiple years as a D-1 coach has proven he needs to be replaced, while the other has not yet had his chance at this level, he has been very successful. Nutt has not been a winner, but a whiner. Nutt is a good person, a good cheerleader and a pretty good recruiter. He would make a great assistant but I don't think he is a good head coach. This fiasco will be his downfall....SS
Go Scrappers ;D
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
NO, b/c this wasnt Malzons doings, its been known for a few weeks that broils was going to bring in David Lee to be the primary play caller, so what else could Malzon do, stay here and be nothing but a title.
KTUL Asked about why he was coming: "..to get a chance to call plays..."
Just a brief interview as most of the news is tied up with the ice storm.
So why would he say "to get a chance to call plays...", if he in fact according to the experts all over Arkansas he was already calling the plays?
Quote from: tenaciousD on January 15, 2007, 07:51:34 pm
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
NO, b/c this wasnt Malzons doings, its been known for a few weeks that broils was going to bring in David Lee to be the primary play caller, so what else could Malzon do, stay here and be nothing but a title.
Who is Malzon? And who is broils? I do like broiled burgers...
sorry about that I meant Malzahn and broyles
Not to argue, but I think it's the difference in calling plays from his own play sheet versus calling those off someone else's sheet. We are never going to know the whole story here other than I have no doubt that we'll see more of the "Springdale" offense than this past season.
I really question this "co-off coord" position though. It just seems odd. If the other guy is involved in the planning equally and Gus still calls the plays it's peculiar.
Going to make the scoreboard watching of TU games interesting.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 07:52:38 pm
KTUL Asked about why he was coming: "..to get a chance to call plays..."
Just a brief interview as most of the news is tied up with the ice storm.
So why would he say "to get a chance to call plays...", if he in fact according to the experts all over Arkansas he was already calling the plays?
Only those with 1/2 a brain really believe Malzahn was calling the plays....SS
Go Scrappers ;D
He was the one calling the plays. Now they may have been designed for him by Nutt, but he was the one doing the calling of the plays during the game. I hope he does well, but if it hits the wall in Tulsa I would much rather it be exposed there as not able to work than at Arkansas.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 08:00:15 pm
Not to argue, but I think it's the difference in calling plays from his own play sheet versus calling those off someone else's sheet. We are never going to know the whole story here other than I have no doubt that we'll see more of the "Springdale" offense than this past season.
I really question this "co-off coord" position though. It just seems odd. If the other guy is involved in the planning equally and Gus still calls the plays it's peculiar.
Going to make the scoreboard watching of TU games interesting.
They said on the radio earlier that the WV guy was hired before Tulsa knew that they could get Malzahn. From the way I understand it, Tulsa will be running Malzahn's HUNH offense next year.
Well, I have to agree with the "Padre" on this one...Gus was lied to big time to get him on board at the "UofA" and just for one reason and that was to sign the "Springdale 5" . It worked but it will most likely fall apart now. There is no telling what other recruits it will affect. I think this fiasco is far from over. I have always said that Mitch Mustain was an overrated QB and may be the weakest of the Springdale 5 as far as a D-1 player. More problems will surely arise at the "UofA"....SS
Go Scrappers ;D
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 15, 2007, 08:01:50 pm
He was the one calling the plays. Now they may have been designed for him by Nutt, but he was the one doing the calling of the plays during the game. I hope he does well, but if it hits the wall in Tulsa I would much rather it be exposed there as not able to work than at Arkansas.
I am surprised you really believe that!! HDN, made a statement early on that it was his head on the block and he was the one that was going to be making all of the decisions....I don't think for a minute that Gus had a say in what was being called. He may have signaled the plays in but Houston was calling them....Houston had no intention of letting go of this team from the get go...Gus was not his hire to start with....SS
Go Scrappers ;D
Just goes to show how much Houston has done for our program(sarcasm). On this day, Jan 15, 2007.....I have joined the Darkside....I wasn't a Hugger to begin with, but now, my place with the Darkside has been secured.
Can I ask all of you guys a question. I'm assuming you guys have football backgrounds when I ask this question.
Do you really believe any of these guys were told anything that any other recruit or new coach is not told? How much do you want to bet, all the other coaches that recruited these guys, told them they would not be the focal points of their offenses.
I am not a HDN fan. But I believe he told those guys the truth when he recruited them. The problem came when Dick was hurt and Mustain did not develop as fast as they thought he would. I don't give a rats butt what any off you guys say. Everyone that has followed the hogs thought MM would come in here and be like he was in high school. Well you know what, he didn't. And when he and the other QB's SUCKED. Nutt went back to what was our strong suit. D-Mac and Jones.
so do u guys think that mustain and cleveland are gone???
So what Teams is Tulsa Playing next season???????????
Quote from: PRG_HOUSE on January 15, 2007, 09:23:55 pm
so do u guys think that mustain and cleveland are gone???
I think their egos will demand that they transfer. If they expect the team to revolve around them, then they should go. If they want to be part of the team, then I think they have a great future at Arkansas. Let's face it. Mustain did okay, I repeat, only okay, with no spring practice behind him. With good work this spring, I think he will pass Casey Dick for the #1 spot.
Quote from: DIG-BIG on January 15, 2007, 09:27:39 pm
So what Teams is Tulsa Playing next season???????????
I promise you Tulsa will be playing at LEAST 4 teams better than Arkansas does. Chattanooga, Florida International, Troy and so on.. We will start with about 40,000 in the stands those games and 1/2 will leave in middle of 3rd quarter. Good for concession sales, right Frank?!!
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 05:04:54 pm
Sorry can't get the quote thing to work right. That whole group has been nothing but a pain in the butt ever since they got there. So take Mama and go elsewhere. Bunch a crybabies who will end up on the side of the road leaning on a shovel with the highway department.
You are misinformed.
I post this link for all you Huggers that say Gus was calling the plays this season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzoFGnR1mU
"Great opportunity to come here and call the plays."
Try and spin it boys.
Tulsa is Loading up with Young Blood! (Coaches and Players) Gus will suprise everbody. HN will always have that sick feeling in his stomach. Frank......................Just Sheet his Depends again & again & again it never STOP'S.......
Have you ever thought Gus was calling the plays from the HDN playbook. And maybe there at Tulsa he will have the chance to develop his own playbook. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe that style of offense will work there. I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC, when you have linebackers that can run down receivers. If you can't knock a team off the ball and punch them in the mouth, you are not going to be too successful here in the SEC. Don't you people think there has been coaches that have tried it before?
Quote from: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 09:53:09 pmI personally don't think that is would work in the SEC
Florida's offense was similar. Remember what they did to Ohio State.
The truth is, Gus and the QB's were handcuffed. Gus did call the plays, but from a list approved by Nutt. Nutt also had veto power, which he increasingly used later on in the season.
And no, I don't care to see Malzhan's offense at Arkansas, either. But it'd be better than iso, counter, draw, and punt, which is what Nutt's offense is.
Quote from: SavedbyGrace on January 15, 2007, 10:00:31 pm
Nutt had veto power and he should have veto power. Remember, Nutt is still the head coach. Whether we agree with Nutt or not, he is still the head coach.
Thanks for reminding me.
Quote from: SavedbyGrace on January 15, 2007, 10:00:31 pm
Nutt had veto power and he should have veto power. Remember, Nutt is still the head coach. Whether we agree with Nutt or not, he is still the head coach.
The only thing Nutt should have is a one-way ticket out of this state.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 15, 2007, 09:57:10 pm
Quote from: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 09:53:09 pmI personally don't think that is would work in the SEC
Florida's offense was similar. Remember what they did to Ohio State.
The truth is, Gus and the QB's were handcuffed. Gus did call the plays, but from a list approved by Nutt. Nutt also had veto power, which he increasingly used later on in the season.
And no, I don't care to see Malzhan's offense at Arkansas, either. But it'd be better than iso, counter, draw, and punt, which is what Nutt's offense is.
You just brought up a good point. Malzhan's offence was similar to the one Florida ran. Florida did more smash mouth football than I have seen in a while. Remember, their coach was hired a couple of years ago to bring back the "fun and gun" days of Spurrier. It seems he has even adjusted his style a lot.
I only saw one game from SHS in 2005. In that game, they ran the ball at least 50% of the time. I hope that AR. can get to level of balance. Maybe, if MM stays at AR., he will develop enough so we can pass at least 25 times a game.
I think UA got what they wanted from Gus....Mitch Mustain.
I can't wait to hear what his mother has to say now.... I bet another meeting will be taking place to see who they hire. heck she will probably want to be the head of the search committee.
I'm listening....
I keep hearing David Lee
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.
Yipee, please contain my excitement.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 10:27:54 pm
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.
Yipee, please contain my excitement.
Got a link? Thanks
The replacement, that reminds me of a movie.
David Lee.
And oh yes, Nutt wants Lee.
Odd question here:
Will there be one hire only?
I don't care that he is fro Dallas, the most pathetic team in the NFL, but at least hire a friggin name. Wouldn't surprise me if he pays him more than Gus.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 15, 2007, 10:27:54 pm
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.
Ive searched DMN and cant find anything.
Looked at ESPN and DMN nothing. therefore it isn't confirmed, just like most of VP RD's posts
A Cowboys board I post on has mentioned it.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 15, 2007, 11:10:28 pm
A Cowboys board I post on has mentioned it.
Im hearing it is on the pay boards as well.
i have always said bring on solich!!! with that backfield he couldn't go wrong. we would need to recruit a little more fiscal and faster QB but that wouldn't be a problem with him on board. actually he could replace nutt to and that wouldn't bother me either.
The Cowboys fans actually seem to like Lee and want him to stay. Word is that Parcells wants him to stay, as well.
Apparently David Lee has helped Tony Romo a lot in developing as a QB.
As if this flame really needed to be fanned, but here goes:
Take a look at this.
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/01/15/news/011607uafbmalzahn.txt
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:47:13 pm
Quote from: FF secretary of sarcasmMEATHEAD on January 15, 2007, 04:43:57 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 15, 2007, 03:33:22 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick doesn't hold for FGs
;)
We kick FG's?
We sure do. The only problem is most of them go wide right.
Come on Huggers, spin this story for us.
It deserves its own thread.
FAYETTEVILLE -- After learning this past weekend that his role as Arkansas' offensive coordinator was going to be diminished, Gus Malzahn decided it was in his best interest to accept a position at the University of Tulsa, a source close to the team said Monday.
Wasting little time, Malzahn was named early Monday as Tulsa's assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator, joining the staff of new Golden Hurricane coach Todd Graham.
"I think it's the right fit," Malzahn said in a statement released by Tulsa. "My relationship with Coach Graham was important, and our offensive philosophies are very similar -- a no-huddle spread-type philosophy."
The source, who didn't want to be identified, said that Malzahn spoke with Arkansas coach Houston Nutt on Saturday and asked him if Malzahn would remain as the team's offensive coordinator.
According to the source, Nutt told Malzahn that there were plans to bring in David Lee -- who is responsible for offensive quality control with the Dallas Cowboys -- to be a co-offensive coordinator. That would mean a decreased role for Malzahn, who also served as Arkansas' wide receivers coach.
Graham has already said that Malzahn will call the offensive plays at Tulsa, though former West Virginia assistant Herb Hand will also serve as a co-offensive coordinator. Malzahn is expected to implement a no-huddle spread offense that he became known for as Springdale High's highly successful coach.
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"We're very proud to have moved Gus from high school to (the) college (ranks), and he did a great job for us," Arkansas athletic director Frank Broyles said. ""He's going to another job, and we wish him the best."
Broyles, however, refused to comment on whether Malzahn left Arkansas after being told that he would be demoted to co-offensive coordinator.
Arkansas, meanwhile, was working Monday on a way to hire Lee as the team's sole offensive coordinator, as well as take over as the quarterbacks coach, the source said. That would imply that Alex Wood is out after serving as the quarterbacks coach with the Razorbacks for only one season.
Lee has already worked twice as an assistant at Arkansas, first under Ken Hatfield (1984-88) and then again as a quarterbacks coach under Nutt from 2001-02. Lee considered returning to Arkansas as the offensive coordinator before Malzahn was hired in December 2005.
Malzahn's departure after only one season came as a surprise, especially considering that he had often referred to being the school's offensive coordinator as a "dream job."
In addition, Nutt repeatedly had said since late December that a contract extension was being worked out for Malzahn to remain with the Razorbacks. Nutt said as recently as last Tuesday that an extension was still in the works.
"It was a surprise," Arkansas running backs coach Danny Nutt said of Malzahn's departure. "I didn't have a clue."
This past season, Malzahn was credited with bringing some new formations and trick plays to Arkansas' offense. The Razorbacks went 10-4 and finished No. 15, the team's highest ranking to end a season since 1989.
But even before the season started, there was talk that some of Arkansas' assistant coaches had animosity with Malzahn. And there was also plenty of debate throughout the season over who was actually calling the plays, whether it was Malzahn or Houston Nutt.
Nutt didn't return multiple messages left on his cell phone Monday.
"I wish (Malzahn) nothing but the best both personally and professionally as he takes on his new role," Nutt said in a statement released through the university.
The decision by Malzahn to leave for Tulsa has created much uncertainty over whether several of his former Springdale High players will decide to transfer, perhaps to join him with the Golden Hurricane.
Quarterback Mitch Mustain and tight end Ben Cleveland considered transferring before Arkansas faced No. 7 Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl on Jan. 1. Both players decided to stay with the Razorbacks, in large part because of their relationships with Malzahn.
Rick Cleveland said Monday that his son has not left Arkansas, and Beck Campbell -- Mustain's mother -- said her son hasn't transferred to another school. Arkansas' spring semester begins today.
Mustain is familiar with Lee, who helped tutor the quarterback when he was younger. But Mustain and Malzahn have a relationship from their time together at Springdale High where Mustain was widely regarded as the nation's top quarterback prospect in 2005.
"I really can't comment other than to say I'm shocked," Campbell said of Malzahn's decision. "(But) I think it speaks volumes."
Malzahn's departure could be addressed with Arkansas' players when they gather at 4 p.m. today for a meeting that was scheduled before Monday's announcement.
Morning News preps editor Kurt Voigt contributed to this report.
1992
Gus Malzahn, defensive coordinator at Hughes in east Arkansas for one season, is hired to become the Blue Devils new head football coach. Hughes finishes 4-6 in Malzahn's first season.
1996
Malzahn, after compiling a 28-17 record in four seasons at Hughes, is named the new head coach at Shiloh Christian in Springdale
1998
Malzahn wins his first state championship as a head coach, defeating Hector 49-14 in the Class AA state championship game. The Saints averaged 45.5 points per game and finished 15-0.
Feb. 1999
At a special meeting of the Benton School Board, Malzahn is introduced as the new head coach at Benton. He left the job 12 days later to return to Shiloh, citing a "personal decision." (What happened here?Havent heard about this one.)
Dec. 1999
The Saints, under Malzahn, win their second consecutive state championship with a 47-35 win over Carlisle. Again, Shiloh finishes 15-0, averaging 46.8 points per game.
2000
Shiloh loses 30-29 in overtime to Rison in the state championship game, ending a 44-game unbeaten streak with Malzahn at the helm. It would be the last game Malzahn would coach at Shiloh, where he ended with a 63-8-1 record in five seasons. (Had to do it ;D )
2001
Malzahn is hired as the head coach at Springdale High, replacing legendary Bulldogs coach Jarrell Williams. In his first season, Springdale finishes 7-4.
2002
In his second season at Springdale, Malzahn leads the Bulldogs to the Class AAAAA state championship game. Springdale loses the game to Fort Smith Southside, ending its season at 12-2.
2004
Led by quarterback Mitch Mustain and several other top juniors, Springdale opens the season 12-0 before falling to Little Rock Central in the state semifinals.
Dec. 3, 2005
Springdale earns the school's first state championship since 1989 with a 54-20 win over West Memphis. The Bulldogs finish the season 14-0 and ranked as high as No. 2 nationally, battling the distractions provided the highly publicized recruitments of Mustain and his teammates along the way.
Dec. 9, 2005
Malzahn is announced as the new offensive coordinator at Arkansas, making the leap from high school to college with praise from Razorbacks head coach Houston Nutt and promises of Malzahn's hurry up, no huddle offense coming to the Southeastern Conference.
Jan. 1 2007
Malzahn coaches in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando, Fla., where the Razorbacks fall to Wisconsin. The loss is the third straight for Arkansas, which ends its season 10-4 in Malzahn's first year.
Jan. 15, 2007
Malzahn leaves Arkansas to become assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at Tulsa.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 12:51:12 am"It was a surprise," Arkansas running backs coach Danny Nutt said of Malzahn's departure. "I didn't have a clue."
Bullcrap on that. Danny's right in the middle of the loop.
I dont care why or how come, but you don't after one year totally just slap the face of the University that promoted you from a High School Coach to an SEC Offensive Coordinator. Regardless of your role, but we should have known this (ask Benton HS) ! He was nothing more than a High School coach, author of a book with only ONE Championship in FOUR years at Springdale. To come in and demand things in year one was classless and tacky. Same for the parents who wanted more for their kids. Christ, they were all All-SEC Freshmen, but that wasn't what they were used to, spoiled brats !
The thing that sticks out in my mind now is just the other day Broyles said we need to downsize, yet NOW there is talk of bringing in David Lee. Wow just look at the Cowboys offense and tell me you want some of that. Probably the only reason Lee is coming is because he will soon be unemployed.
Its obvious Broyles thinks we are all a bunch of dummies, does as he pleases, expects season ticket holders to renew for a lousy 2007 schedule ... well we are, because we continue to send in our money go to the games because we all believe in the Hogs. Sadly our loyalty will blind us from reality.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 01:47:21 am
I dont care why or how come, but you don't after one year totally just slap the face of the University that promoted you from a High School Coach to an SEC Offensive Coordinator.
Why not? They slapped him in the face all season.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 01:47:21 amRegardless of your role, but we should have known this (ask Benton HS) !
Go ahead, and while you're at it, ask Benton for the full story of it.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 01:47:21 amTo come in and demand things in year one was classless and tacky.
Nobody demanded anything.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 01:47:21 amSame for the parents who wanted more for their kids. Christ, they were all All-SEC Freshmen, but that wasn't what they were used to, spoiled brats !
Not true, not true, and not true.
Quote from: Cure™ on December 12, 2006, 08:16:39 am
Quote from: S.D. Jones on December 11, 2006, 06:33:53 pm
I just wonder how things would have gone if they had ran Gus' offense and it totally failed. I mean running things the way they have set the bar pretty high. Had to 11 game to get to that level. Good luck on that.
The only time they did run it..It succeeded and we were on the brink of scoring once again...Nutt has screwed possibly his own self by benching Mustain because he felt the need to *pull the trigger*...He has been making the same bonehead decisions for 8 years...That being the reason why we haven't turned out 1 descent QB under him, and the 2 we did (1-WR for the Jags, his RIGHTFUL position..2-Backup for the Vikings, he developed more at Alabama State)..
Gus is NOT in full control of the offense, yes he has had his hand in it, but he is DEFINITELY not calling the plays..Gus was hired to get the passing offense going and find new ways to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers.. Let's go back to the USC game, where we DID run the HUNH, with McFadden,Jones, Monk on the field subbing in every other play..We absolutely killed Pete Carroll's defense, and if you think his 2nd and 3rd teamers can't play for anyone else..take a look at how much they lost last year..
Malzahn's offense is a philosophy that you have to be 100% committed to-
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/columns/story?columnist=davie&id=2457483&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3ddavie%26id%3d2457483
No-huddle offense
Rodriguez's offensive package, which he has run for 15 years, starts with the plays being called at the line of scrimmage. The no-huddle offense allows teams to control the tempo of the game, dictating to the defense whether the ball is snapped quickly or the entire 25-second clock is used.
West Virginia utilizes three different tempos and that, as well as play calls and audibles, are controlled at the line of scrimmage by the coaches.
Tarkus you are right, it did take a year or two for him to get his system installed, but I'm telling you now..The players were ready to run the offense, they are D-1..not high school, it shouldn't take them that long to learn the offense...I was able to watch them run it successfully in practice and once in a game...Yes, we are in a better position than last year, but if you put it in perspective, we're still in the same place..No passing game to attribute to our powerful running attack...I have said all along that Houston blew our chances to be where Florida was today, other coaches around college football know that, we had our chance and now its another *next year* line.
I give a lot of credit to Markuson, seeing that I didn't think he could teach our O-Line to pass block..We were way up in sacks not allowed, yet we put our BEST passer on the bench? Everyone on the team threw a pass except for Mitch against Florida, but you put him in on a QB draw?
Notice how Nutt has abandoned the things that were succeeding this season- HUNH vs USC, Wildcat vs Florida, Mitch vs SEC, there's a pattern..I knew the book would have some effect, but I didn't think it would have THAT much effect on his coaching decisions, seeing that Mustain was 7/8-0 as a starter..We were winning games, starting to get noticed, then we go back to Casey(who isn't a bad QB at all, just not an adequate starter in the SEC) and our passing attack is exposed and we're right back to ground one.
We complain about not having any receivers...was there ever a QB there to get them use to catching the ball? The practices I did watch, the receivers weren't use to catching balls from Mitch because of the strength and accuracy he put on the ball..Casey has a very strong arm and can be very accurate at times, but we don't have a coach that knows how to bring up QB's.
How many mistakes must then man make before he is right back on the hotseat, regarding his handling of players. There have been some things being discussed on the Hill, and I hope our administration is looking towards the FUTURE of our program and NOT at (1) 10-win season, which would've been 9 minus the extra game.
Take a look around college football and the NFL..and how many coaches are making changes on potential rather than experience? How many teams do you see a coach benching a starter that was 8-0? We knew Mitch had obvious potential when he showed flashes in the games he played, but we also knew he was a freshman that would take some bumps and bruises in the SEC..You think the crowd went wild everytime he got on the field to play NUTTBALL? Did we sell out against UTAH STATE to run Nutt's offense?! Potential vs Experience...Who wins out?
Let's remember...Gus was hired to be the Offensive Coordinator
These practices leading up to the Bowl game will determine the future of our program..It's either Nuttball for as long as we can have it or a offense that EVERY team in America wants to keep OFF the field.
Gus was cuffed after the USC game and left out to dry. He brought in a load of receivers in last year's recruiting class to implement a passing game to go along with our highly touted run game. Houston, after 13 years of calling the plays, didn't enjoy being a CEO. The only supporters left for Malzahn were some of the boosters...and at the end of the season. Frank Broyles comes out and says that the Spread Offense won't win a National Championship...One week later, Florida and their Spread Offense blow Ohio State off the field. What came from all this? Frank Broyles is still the AD stuck in his glory days and Nutt is still stuck on not passing the ball. Malzahn gets his CHANCE to call the plays at the D-1 level and implement his system. I am glad he got a chance to show the nation, even handcuffed on playcalling duties, he can win the Offensive Coordinator of the Year award. Next year, the Wildcat is our BEST offense, best thing about it..We STILL have Houston Nutt as our Head Coach. Think we're going to pass next season?
This move is no surprise to me, it simply further inforces the fact that the U of A is nothing more than a quagmire of political flatulations and the pride of Arkansas will suffer. I can not blame Gus one bit for the move. For no amount of money would you be able to get me into that system.
This is the same reason we have been shafted by so many U of A Alumni..
"National Championship Under Construction"
You can add Malzahn to the list of good assistants that left the Hill.
Quote from: Garo on January 15, 2007, 04:54:24 pm
Do you know personally that anyone was lied to? Or is that just a personal opinion?
We were all lied to! The whole state was lied to, over and over again!
This whole business makes me sick...
Let's be honest here...Arkansas isn't ever going to get a real offensive coordinator.
Secondly, DAVID LEE? Are you kidding me??? He was here twice before and didn't do jack either time. Hello, all of this hullaballoo about improving the passing game and then what do we do but go out and try to get an OPTION coach??? What???
I swear, what kind of idiots are working up on the Hill? They're regressing, not progressing!
And a better question is--if the rumors are true and they were talking about bringing in Lee before Malzahn ever left--was that a move made to force Malzahn out or did they really expect him to stay on with a diminished role? If the latter, WHY were they taking responsibilities away from him? What did he do wrong? Anyone have an explanation???
I'm so sick of this entire thing that I never will go back to my previous fan support of the program as long as Nutt is the head coach. I just can't handle this nonsense anymore. Talk about mediocrity...they've made a conscientious decision now to stick with off-tackle runs and 7-5 seasons. Ya-hoooo!
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 16, 2007, 09:13:29 amAnd a better question is--if the rumors are true and they were talking about bringing in Lee before Malzahn ever left--was that a move made to force Malzahn out or did they really expect him to stay on with a diminished role? If the latter, WHY were they taking responsibilities away from him? What did he do wrong? Anyone have an explanation???
Malzhan was given an ultimatum - accept a demotion, or leave. The whole hullabaloo about him getting a raise was bunk.
It was an effort to force Gus out. Why? Who knows for sure, but power and ego probably had a large part to do with it.
OK Ivan, you responded and I guess everyone takes your word as fact so let's just dissect your response.
In regards to the slap in the face by Malzahn, just how did the UofA slap him in the face? They gave him a job, something no other university would dare do. You gotta be crazy if you or anyone thinks they were going to give him "free hands" in his first year. Nutt is the Head Coach, and is the one who is going to be held accountable for all actions. And I am sure every Head Coach in America does have veto authority over play calling, if you don't think so ... you're crazy. Face it, Malzahn wasn't ready for the SEC much less college. He won, though only one State Championship, because of gimmicks. He had some pretty good players and faced teams with one or two decent players. In the SEC it's 11 on 11.
As for the Benton situation, I do know a little more about that situation than I am sure you do. Let's just say, some didn't meet his eagerness to change this at Malzahn's will, and then there was an issue of the almighty dollar.
The parents did make it known, their kids were used to getting the ball more at Springdale, and they thought they would be getting the same at Arkansas. Newsflash, the Heisman Trophy Runner-Up is in the backfield ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what your offense is going to be based around !!!
As for all three being All-SEC Freshman, ok so I missed that one, Mustain wasn't, Turnbow at Florida was the QB. You actually think Mustain was going to beat him out? And you think after the parents went to Broyles they actually had a chance. that was the "kiss of death" ... I guarantee you now, anytime anything comes up, the other players will ride them, "yall better watch out, his momma will be up here". They might as well transfer - they will always be labled as spoiled brats, or mommas boys now.
What about Larry Coaker, Cocher, Coker. However you spell his name from Miami?
Whoever they get, let's just hope he understands the role of Offensive Coordinator at the college level. I caught the interview on Drive Time Sports yesterday with the OC for the Texas Longhorns (who happened to have won the Broyles Award last year) and he described the role of OC very clearly. The OC doesn't stand alone and have full control of calling all of the plays (apparently the way Malzahn thought/thinks it should be). During game week, the offensive coaches and the head coach make determinations what plays will work against the upcoming opponent in certain situations. The range of plays are then set and the OC calls from those. Of course, he has latitude to change as the game changes and his decisions are always subject to being overruled by the head coach. What Malzahn seemed to want was an unfettered control over all plays, regardless of whether or not the fit into the game plan. No head coach would ever give up final say. Sure, maybe many never overrule the OC, but most don't deal with one just out of high school. I just hope we get an OC that really understands it's not a "me" situation, but an "us" situation. I can see why the Springdale whiners are all about themselves. That seems to be the way Malzahn trained them.
well, since nutt want sto run the ball and Broyles likes High school coaches, why not hire Lanny Dauksch from West Memphis? or if that doesn't work, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.
Quote from: wm lawdawg on January 16, 2007, 09:45:19 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.
That wouldn't be a bad trade!
Quote from: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 09:53:09 pm
Have you ever thought Gus was calling the plays from the HDN playbook. And maybe there at Tulsa he will have the chance to develop his own playbook. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe that style of offense will work there. I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC, when you have linebackers that can run down receivers. If you can't knock a team off the ball and punch them in the mouth, you are not going to be too successful here in the SEC. Don't you people think there has been coaches that have tried it before?
Get on the bus, Gus.
As much as I love NWA, what does this say about his character?
Just another high school coach with one year of college experience who has a bigger ego than he's earned (as far as college accolades go).
I would be very happy if we could just focus on off season and 2007.
GO HOGS.
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 10:02:27 am
Get on the bus, Gus.
As much as I love NWA, what does this say about his character?
Just another high school coach with one year of college experience who has a bigger ego than he's earned (as far as college accolades go).
I would be very happy if we could just focus on off season and 2007.
GO HOGS.
I couldn't agree more b-cat. When we are heading toward a 10-2, maybe even 11-1 and possibly 12-0 next year, the whiners won't even remember Malzahn's name. I believe Tennessee and Alabama may be our toughest games next year, mainly because they are on the road. Of course, this all depends on the development of a quarterback. If we have the same mediocrity at that position that we had this year, 10-2 could easily be 7-5. Hopefully, Mustain will set aside his prima donna feelings, tell momma to shut up, have a great spring and be ready to lead next season. If he fails to do any of those things, we will be in trouble unless we recruit a freshman who is ready to step in. Not likely in these times.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:53:44 am
Quote from: wm lawdawg on January 16, 2007, 09:45:19 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.
That wouldn't be a bad trade!
Oh except for that it's an NCAA violation.
Quote from: Col. Trautman Gtown10 on January 16, 2007, 10:46:10 am
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:53:44 am
Quote from: wm lawdawg on January 16, 2007, 09:45:19 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.
That wouldn't be a bad trade!
Oh except for that it's an NCAA violation.
I'm sure they could hide it well. Worked last year. If Malzahn really thought that they were going to take him right out of HS and put him in total charge of an SEC offense, then I'm not sure he is even qualified for a school like Tulsa. It was his players we wanted. Unfortunately, they didn't live up the the hype and are nothing but mediocre prima donnas. I hate to use this old worn out phrase, but there is no "I" in team. Since it is now obvious to even the blind that Malzahn was all about Malzahn, maybe we can understand why the Springdale whiners are only about themselves.
QuoteNewsflash, the Heisman Trophy Runner-Up is in the backfield ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what your offense is going to be based around !!!
That is too much for some to comprehend.there are some who think the only way to win games is to air the ball out.
Sit back and watch Tulsa compete for a BCS spot next year and then whine about whether or not Gus was a good coach. Gus was the best coach that the U of A never gave a chance to do a job he obviously excels at. HDN is a puppet and always has been. Frank Broyles or however you want to spell it sucks as an AD and you can take Jim L. and all the other alum and shove em up and elephants butt. A State rules.........................
Nutt will just hire the best butt kisser that is willing to come to Fayetteville.
Tulsa for a BCS spot based on Gus moving over there. Wow! I bet that one happens as soon as the sun sets in the east.
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
I still say this is the second most positive thing that occurred this season! First was 10-4! Gus never should have been hired and if he thought he was going to be given full reign with a resume thin as tissue, he isn't cut out for BCS coaching. Small private schools fit him and his personality! I get sick of hearing that 40 year man was lied to and now feels betrayed. Gus knew exactly what he was hired to do and he took the job anyway! No one EVER promised him he would run HIS offense.
may very well be the smartest person ever.
Zebradynasty, did you go to school @ HSU?
If so were you here when he was here?
Who is dumb enough to come to this joke we have on the Hill?
GUS IS A GENIOUS!
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 12:21:07 pm
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.
I totally agree! Gus has a BIG ego and it showed from day one at the U of A when the other assistants felt he was "talking down" to them and then Gus went to Broyles about not getting the co-operation he needed to install his offense. That is what prompted the BIG meeting between Lindsay/Broyles and Nutt and his staff before the season even began!! You think that didn't upset Nutt?
And the success at Shiloh and Springdale, with all those wins and championships, helped Gus to think he was invincible. He wrote the book and went on the speaking/seminar circuit. That just pumped him up even more. Christian man - yes; doesn't smoke or drink .. He and Rick Schaeffer are GOOD buddies.. EGO and control freak - yes... THAT got him in trouble from the getgo up on the hill...
Should more of his HUNH offense been installed? yes .. Were the players smart enough to comprehend the different sets and know their assignments within 4-5 seconds, standing on the O line? NO WAY... So, his offense was watered down 75%... The assistants "tolerated" him when they were winning but in the last 3 games when just FOUR or FIVE pass completions would have won those games, the passing failed, we lost and the ire struck up again. You could see it on the sidelines. Faces and swinging arms do not hide spur-of-the-moment feelings and all viewers on TV nationwide saw it too. THAT is what ESPN is referring to, in part.
Lets pick up the sticks, hope enough players stay and buy into Lee on his THIRD stint with the Razorbacks. Nutt will be calling the plays this year (85% running plays) and when Felix and McFadden are gone, THEN what? 6-6 or 5-7 seasons and no bowls? Better keep those 4 cupcakes on the schedule. And Texas now comes on board! There is one loss for sure..
Folks, I think MORE problems will come out these next few days to stir up the hostile fans a bit more. Stand by . . . . . . .
Nutt and Frank Lied This offense won a NC this year and Nutt had no intention of turning over the reigns to GUS He hired GUS to get M-16 and the rest of the Springdale boys.
I hope the NCAA comes a calling and skins Franks and Nutts rearends for them!
Goodbye GUS we'll miss ya! :'( :'( :'(
Goodbye Mitch! We'll be missing you when you go to another SEC school and beat the crap out of us!
Oh Boy the Midline Option is coming back .....NOT!!! I rather have Coker that David Lee!
Invictus: : Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;) Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.
Aren't #'s 3 and 7 the same?
Quote from: HSFBF on January 16, 2007, 01:19:13 pm
Invictus: : Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;) Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.
Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.
HE LIED.
If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.
And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.
Quote from: rdubs8 on January 16, 2007, 01:13:57 pm
Goodbye Mitch! We'll be missing you when you go to another SEC school and beat the crap out of us!
Mitch is staying..the semeter has already started so he is stuck..at least until after the Spring Game...but if he wants to bail..let him..I want TRUE Razorbacks.
David Lee is Nutt's man:
Razorback Stats
Year 2006 2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)
Passing Attempts 302 281
Completions 154 135
Yards 2,093 1,626
YPG 150 136
Passing TDs 23 10
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
David Lee has ACCEPTED according 103.3 radio station in Dallas
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 16, 2007, 01:32:05 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on January 16, 2007, 01:19:13 pm
Invictus: : Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;) Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.
Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.
HE LIED.
If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.
And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.
Fact is the boss has the right to change his mind at any time. That is why people get fired. Most people don't get hired and then told hey we are going to fire you soon. Most are told about how great everything is going to be. For whatever reason it was very evident that throwing the ball all around the field was going to result in losses. Now if the guy I brought it was still detemined to throw the ball as the boss I am nixing that.
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship. Razorbacks finish say 8-4. Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl. Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place. Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?
But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place. But, it's nice to think about it.
Quote from: S.D. Jones on January 16, 2007, 03:09:59 pm
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 16, 2007, 01:32:05 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on January 16, 2007, 01:19:13 pm
Invictus: : Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;) Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.
Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.
HE LIED.
If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.
And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.
Fact is the boss has the right to change his mind at any time. That is why people get fired. Most people don't get hired and then told hey we are going to fire you soon. Most are told about how great everything is going to be. For whatever reason it was very evident that throwing the ball all around the field was going to result in losses. Now if the guy I brought it was still detemined to throw the ball as the boss I am nixing that.
Coach Nutt is paid $1 million plus per year. Malzahn was paid considerably less than that. I think it was in the neighborhood of $175k per year. Now, who had the most to lose with a losing season? Like someone said, it doesn't take rocket science to figure this out. If Malzahn racks up big stats and the team still loses, he gets a bigger job at another school as some type of offensive "guru". If the team loses, then Nutt hits the road and might not get another chance at the big time. If I'm in Nutt's position, I'm never going to let a coach pad his resume at my expense. There are too many assistant-wanna-be's" out there to let that happen.
:)
Heeeeeeres David! That's what Ed McMahon told me..
If Lee was so good, then why was he in a front office position at the Cowboys?
I just hope whoever gets it gives the ball to McFadden when its 4th & 1 !
Quote from: The_Bomb on January 16, 2007, 03:11:46 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship. Razorbacks finish say 8-4. Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl. Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place. Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?
But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place. But, it's nice to think about it.
After all of this much-ado-about-really-nothing, I'm sure Reggie Herring would love to get ahold of a Malzahn offense.
Quote from: Cure™ on January 16, 2007, 02:04:40 pm
David Lee is Nutt's man:
Razorback Stats
Year 2006 2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)
Passing Attempts 302 281
Completions 154 135
Yards 2,093 1,626
YPG 150 136
Passing TDs 23 10
Does THIS tell us something? And that's in a day when we were 50/50% pass/run. Must agree though that the last 3 games our totals on passing seemed about the same as 2001, anemic and will not complement the running. Look for 7-8 men in the "box" next year, forcing us to pass. Look for Mustain to be the QB since Lee likes him a lot, thinks he is pro material.
Quote from: 7AFball on January 16, 2007, 03:31:20 pm
Quote from: Cure™ on January 16, 2007, 02:04:40 pm
David Lee is Nutt's man:
Razorback Stats
Year 2006 2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)
Passing Attempts 302 281
Completions 154 135
Yards 2,093 1,626
YPG 150 136
Passing TDs 23 10
Does THIS tell us something? And that's in a day when we were 50/50% pass/run. Must agree though that the last 3 games our totals on passing seemed about the same as 2001, anemic and will not complement the running. Look for 7-8 men in the "box" next year, forcing us to pass. Look for Mustain to be the QB since Lee likes him a lot, thinks he is pro material.
I think Mustain has the stuff to get the job done if he can get his head in the right direction. Once he realizes that the team comes first and not how many passes he throws or how many his fellow Springdale whiners catch, he will be top notch. I think that David Lee can be the settling influence for him. Now, let's forget Gus and get to spring practice.
IF Lee makes Mustain the performer/player that we all hoped he could be then this whole pile of crap might have been worth it!
Quote from: The_Bomb on January 16, 2007, 03:11:46 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship. Razorbacks finish say 8-4. Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl. Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place. Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?
But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place. But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
Quote from: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 04:10:38 pm
I think the only reason Nutt hired Gus to begin with was so the U of A might land some requits that they would not have gotten otherwise. You won't hear it from Gus. He is too classy a guy to go that route, but this move, to me, confirms what has been pretty obvious all year. Nutt's ego won't let him stay out of the offense. If you hire a guy to do a job, you should get out of the way and let him do that job.
I hope that the bridges haven't been completely burned, so that maybe someday, when Frank and HDN are gone, Gus could come back. Of course, he may be too old by that time.
You may be right, but nobody but HDN and GM really know what the agreement was. I doubt either is going to say, unless someone is writing another book. HDN was the boss, GM was forced on him and the staff that is pretty clear from the beginning. I never thought it a good idea and I don't think it is a great loss as far as the impact Gus has had so far, very little. If he does well in the future in college we may be saying oops, but I doubt it. I think he was a great high school coach with a great system and great athletes to run. I don't yet beleive that transfers automatically to college. He will still hve to prove it to me, and he might. but I'm waiting. I wonder, out of all the players that played for Gus, how many went on to college adn had a major impact at that level? Not that many I can think of. So maybe he is the key and maybe his players are not that skilled when facing the better talent. We are going to get a chance to find out.
Quote from: TwoMinuteOffense on January 16, 2007, 03:44:06 pm
Quote from: The_Bomb on January 16, 2007, 03:11:46 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship. Razorbacks finish say 8-4. Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl. Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place. Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?
But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place. But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
I'll buy you dinner if that happens. NOT gooing to happen.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot. ONly 1 had a winning record.
Quote from: endrun on January 16, 2007, 03:50:42 pm
Quote from: TwoMinuteOffense on January 16, 2007, 03:44:06 pm
Quote from: The_Bomb on January 16, 2007, 03:11:46 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship. Razorbacks finish say 8-4. Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl. Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place. Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?
But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place. But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
I'll buy you dinner if that happens. NOT gooing to happen.
I don't think it will happen that way any time soon. But my prediction is Malzahn is head coach of Arkansas within 5 years. More like 3. Wait and see.
Supposedly Irwin just cut in on channel 5 to report the Mitch was going to Tulsa without a release. Not confirmed, I did not see the broadcast.Seeing this on other boards.
http://www.kfsm.com/
Mitch Mustain Leaving University of Arkansas Football Team
Fayetteville, AR 5NEWS Mike Irwin has learned Mitch Mustain is leaving the University of Arkansas. Independent sources confirm that Mitch is moving out of the Athletic Dorms this afternoon and won't be attending the University of Arkansas this spring. This comes after yesterday's announcement that UA Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn is leaving for the University of Tulsa.
Mike Irwin will have a complete report tonight at 5 & 6 on 5NEWS.
5newsonline.com
Looks like Cleveland is gone as well.
Press Conference at 4:30 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Quote from: endrun on January 16, 2007, 03:53:25 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot. ONly 1 had a winning record.
I'm talking about the team, not a particular player. Arkansas faced 7 teams with winning records and an 8th (Alabama) that was .500, 3 BCS teams (would have been 5 had Wisconsin and Auburn been eligible), and 8 bowl teams. Tulsa doesn't remotely get close to that and never will. Not in a state with OU and OSU and in a territory that Arkansas raids for the best players.
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
Razorback Freshman Quarterback Mitch Mustain is leaving the University of Arkansas, and plans to enroll at another University within the week.
Mustain has not yet been granted his release from Coach Houston Nutt, but we're told he plans to leave the University anyway.
This comes one day after the news that offensive coordinator Gus Malzhan is going to Tulsa.
5News Sports Director Mike Irwin will have details at 5 & 6.
http://5newsonline.com/Global/story.asp?S=5946776
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
Yeah..if he could actually throw a ball and had receivers who could catch maybe they would have thrown the ball...but he couldnt and they didnt...we also had the best two backs in the country..
This isn't really a big surprise, or shouldn't be. All of the Springdale guys, including Malzahn, planned to look elsewhere anyway, but decided to make that decision after the bowl game in order to keep the focus on actually winning the game. Damian just decided the time to do that was when he did it. The writing was on the wall a long, long time ago.
I say see you later. Now his drama mama will be out of the mix as well. I just wish he could go somewhere away from Gus so we could all see what kind of QB he really is. IF MM ends up in the NFL, I wonder if he and his mom will try and get the team he goes to to try and hire Gus in some sort of capacity? There has been more drama from the Springdale group this year than anything combined in the past 10 years previous to this one.
I sure hope we hand the ball off to McFadden enough next year so he doesn't quit in the middle of the year. Woops, he isn't a quiter. COMMITTMENT = Something the Springdale Quiters need to learn.
I heard it was USC.
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
We will replace these "me" players with good "we" players. What a big mistake these guys are making. I guess the year off will help them mature. In reality, they should have redshirted when they came to Arkansas. There was way too much pressure on them out of HS. We won't miss them as much as people will think so now. Football aside, this is a life mistake in my opinion. I have long said that if you live in Arkansas, play for the Razorbacks, do well and the team succeeds, you can write your ticket in this state. Leave the state and people will forget you. Matt Jones is a great example. Had he left the state, let's say for Auburn, and succeeded there, we wouldn't clamor over him. But now, he is an icon in this state. The same is said for Corliss and many others who stayed and excelled. Now, these guys are just a couple of guys who rolled in for a year and then left. Too bad for them.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
::)
If I were the #1 highschool QB in America, I would know two things.
1- Don't go to the University of Arkansas because they are
not a passing team. They have a Heisman runner-up in the backfield,
hello.
2- HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE are two seperate playing fields and you must adjust accordingly. Sometimes the great hs players are average when they move up.
Oh, and I probably would regain control of my ballsack and make my mommy release her grip on it.
I'm listen to drive time sports right now they are saying press conference at 4:30 and Mitch is going to Tulsa.
They also said that Nutt wasn't going give Mitch his release until the end of spring.
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:31:42 pm
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
::)
If I were the #1 highschool QB in America, I would know two things.
1- Don't go to the University of Arkansas because they are not a passing team. They have a Heisman runner-up in the backfield, hello.
2- HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE are two seperate playing fields and you must adjust accordingly. Sometimes the great hs players are average when they move up.
Oh, and I probably would regain control of my ballsack and make my mommy release her grip on it.
I agree.
all i can say is wow.... good luck to malzahn mitch & damien and to whoever else with a piece of brain... get out while the gettins good!
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
I wonder if we would have had hi throw more if he had completed more passes. Let's remember, here is a QB that almost had as many interceptions (9) as he did TD's (10). Not good numbers. He should have hung on through the spring. If he developed like he is capable of, I think we would have seen more balance next year.
Mitch's Grandmother is talking live with Bo Mattley on Razarback Nation :o :o
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.
Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?
Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back. From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
Go Tulsa!
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Well...it goes to show..Mitch struggled in the Army All Star Game against talent of his level...but did great vs lesser talent in HS...went to the SEC with talent as good as him and he struggled..so now he goes to a conference with lesser talent..he should do well.
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!
Quote from: SMC on January 16, 2007, 04:39:30 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.
Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?
Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
::)
Oh, please.
Give me a freaking break.
Players of "calibur" (note the spelling), such as Damian and Mitch, should also be able to complete passes to their TEAMMATES (not the opposing team's defense) and catch a pass, right?
No one cares how Arkansans will perceive them. It's more like, "Why draw so much attention to yourselves when you didn't prove anything?"
These boys came in for ONE season and expected to be treated like gods.
When reality hit and they realized that there are guys that have put in 3 or 4 years to play and will play above them, they got upset and had their mommies deal with it.
Grow up. Be a man. Think about your team.
That's what football is about.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:44:31 pm
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!
What is being said?
Mustain belongs at UCA. We had a second stringer leave the team several years back and ended up doing quite well there.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 04:43:28 pm
Well...it goes to show..Mitch struggled in the Army All Star Game against talent of his level...but did great vs lesser talent in HS...went to the SEC with talent as good as him and he struggled..so now he goes to a conference with lesser talent..he should do well.
EXACTLY
Quote from: SMC on January 16, 2007, 04:39:30 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.
Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?
Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
well said.
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Sounds pretty solid to me.
Let the spin begin. Get your blinders on Hog fans.
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 04:55:39 pm
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.
Circumstances have changed since then.
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:23:35 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct. The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was. Just like you all wanted it. Sorry Springdale screwed it up. Have fun!!! You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly. This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.
Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please. Please don't do it. Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you. Go to Auburn. Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school.
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:45:07 pm
Quote from: SMC on January 16, 2007, 04:39:30 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.
Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?
Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
::)
Oh, please.
Give me a freaking break.
Players of "calibur" (note the spelling), such as Damian and Mitch, should also be able to complete passes to their TEAMMATES (not the opposing team's defense) and catch a pass, right?
No one cares how Arkansans will perceive them. It's more like, "Why draw so much attention to yourselves when you didn't prove anything?"
These boys came in for ONE season and expected to be treated like gods.
When reality hit and they realized that there are guys that have put in 3 or 4 years to play and will play above them, they got upset and had their mommies deal with it.
Grow up. Be a man. Think about your team.
That's what football is about.
Actually you spell caliber that way.. don't believe me look it up.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Isn't this NCAA investigation stuff? Boy I hope so..
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:39:58 pm
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back. From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
If he was that bad, why did Arkansas go get him? You know you lost a year of QB recruiting now. That was a good class as well. Now you have Dick and Johnson. Wow...
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 16, 2007, 08:26:17 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:23:35 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct. The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was. Just like you all wanted it. Sorry Springdale screwed it up. Have fun!!! You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly. This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.
Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please. Please don't do it. Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you. Go to Auburn. Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school.
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..
Im pretty sure Ziemba is committed to Auburn.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:57:53 pm
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
You keep deflecting to Tulsa and wanting to play Tulsa etc.. This is about Arkansas and WHY they left, nowantobut isa
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:57:53 pm
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
Free education? Learning to work with a bunch of liars and unintelligent people without blowing your brains out. I think Nutt should be extended to 2050. I'm sure Frank will still have his hand on the controls from the grave. Those two, and the UofA all deserve each other. Love it.
Quote from: ASU Rugby on January 16, 2007, 08:32:54 pm
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 16, 2007, 08:26:17 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:23:35 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct. The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was. Just like you all wanted it. Sorry Springdale screwed it up. Have fun!!! You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly. This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.
Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please. Please don't do it. Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you. Go to Auburn. Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school.
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..
Im pretty sure Ziemba is committed to Auburn.
He should be. That's a football program. Both of his parents went there so they know the choice to make for sure. Just need to get the others the heck out of there verbal commitments. Houston knows the value of a verbal agreement.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it. Until Houston Nutt came calling, Malzahn was nothing more than a good HS coach. He won some state championships at Shiloh who get to recruit and then at Springdale with supreior HS talent. Every HS coach dreams of coaching at the college level. Few get the chance. What did Malzahn make at Springdale? $75k? Let's say it was an exorbant $100k. So, Houston comes calling. He gives Malzahn the opportunity to be an OC in the SEC, a $75k per year raise. Malzahn, at this point, is getting aroused and is about to explode. But, then, Houston breaks the bad news to him. He will be OC in name only. Houston is going to still call the plays. He wants to look at Malzahn's HUNH and spread, but tells him that the running game is and always will be the backbone of the team. Does Malzahn say "Well, coach, I appreciate the offer, but under those conditions, I'll have to decline and will wait on a better offer." Not in this lifetime. He says, "who cares. Where do I sign!" Houston and coach Broyles aren't stupid. They both knew they wouldn't have to sell the farm to get this guy. He would have crawled from Springdale to Fayetteville for this chance. As for Mustain, remember, he had committed to the U of A well before it was known that Malzahn would be coming. Yes, he reneged on his committment to reopen his recruiting, but had no real takers. Maybe they knew something we didn't.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it. Until Houston Nutt came calling, Malzahn was nothing more than a good HS coach. He won some state championships at Shiloh who get to recruit and then at Springdale with supreior HS talent. Every HS coach dreams of coaching at the college level. Few get the chance. What did Malzahn make at Springdale? $75k? Let's say it was an exorbant $100k. So, Houston comes calling. He gives Malzahn the opportunity to be an OC in the SEC, a $75k per year raise. Malzahn, at this point, is getting aroused and is about to explode. But, then, Houston breaks the bad news to him. He will be OC in name only. Houston is going to still call the plays. He wants to look at Malzahn's HUNH and spread, but tells him that the running game is and always will be the backbone of the team. Does Malzahn say "Well, coach, I appreciate the offer, but under those conditions, I'll have to decline and will wait on a better offer." Not in this lifetime. He says, "who cares. Where do I sign!" Houston and coach Broyles aren't stupid. They both knew they wouldn't have to sell the farm to get this guy. He would have crawled from Springdale to Fayetteville for this chance. As for Mustain, remember, he had committed to the U of A well before it was known that Malzahn would be coming. Yes, he reneged on his committment to reopen his recruiting, but had no real takers. Maybe they knew something we didn't.
I think we should let an NCAA investigation prove this out. I've been following that all day. The lure the HS coach to get recruits etc... It's in a gray area and I hope it goes to investigation. Lets prove it all out. NCAA investigation is like yelling FIRE, everyone will run until it's out. Recruiting will grind to a halt. Need to hit rock bottom. Send it down to the bottom, not much farther to go.
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way. I can't blame him one bit for leaving. Maybe wherever he plays next they won't bench him for winning 8 straight as a starter.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 16, 2007, 08:26:17 pm
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..
ROFL +1
Let them be Sooners instead. ;D
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
I agree with you.
I am tired of the drama. They have been this way since 10 year old baseball.
Good riddance!
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus. Things change fast.
Quote from: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus. Things change fast.
Read my posts...I don't think you'll find that in my case.
Wally
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
Quote from: bobcat on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.
He PROVED he is no all-american. Nor is he a role model.
Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.
You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.
Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:25:39 pm
Quote from: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus. Things change fast.
Read my posts...I don't think you'll find that in my case.
Wally
I read your post. I think you're absolutly correct too but I'm talking about the Arkansas fans who believed he was all that.
Name some of the role models at the U of A.
One question?
Give me your take on what happened. I want to know.
I certainly did not think he was ever all that good. I always said he was overrated and was no where near the best QB in his class. Now that he has proven that beyond a doubt to everyone in this state, we can move on. If Frank will now get us a Coach it would be greatly appreciated....SS
Go Scrappers/Go Hogs ;D
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 16, 2007, 08:29:45 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:39:58 pm
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back. From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
If he was that bad, why did Arkansas go get him? You know you lost a year of QB recruiting now. That was a good class as well. Now you have Dick and Johnson. Wow...
Actually, he came BACK to Arkansas after that FLOP in All-American game. Remember...
Quote from: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 09:16:48 pm
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Now that IS the funniest thing I have ever heard. Maybe someone will buy him one.
Quote from: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 08:46:57 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way. I can't blame him one bit for leaving. Maybe wherever he plays next they won't bench him for winning 8 straight as a starter.
You're talking about arena football, right. Seriously.
Quote from: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 08:46:57 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way.
Every high school stud wants to be an NFL QB (prolly Matt Jones too).
Playing against a bunch of HS teams made up of whatever talent lived in the district, MM looked pretty good. Against a group of selected players in the All Star game, he looked like a deer in the head lights. As a Razorback he looked like a freshman who might be good enough to start.
I can see Ms Campbell talking the the GM of the Giants, "Do you mind trading away your Pro Bowl running backs? My son really prefers not to have them overshadow his talent."
He is probably a nice kid, but there are 240 nice kids who are college QBs and all of them want to be drafted in the first round............get an education.
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:29:04 pm
Name some of the role models at the U of A.
One question?
Give me your take on what happened. I want to know.
Well, the obvious one would be Robert Johnson, Weston Dacus, Olajabutu...these are guys that put the word TEAM into teammates.
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.
Quote from: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 09:16:48 pm
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.
Thats what I'm hoping as well...
Frick the MSM
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch has an inflated ego...maybe not an ego maniac (yet).
Damian...I understand is a very intelligent guy. Of the two...the only one with a true shot in the NFL.
Nutt...I won't make a comment either way...except to say, regardless of where you stand on his coaching skills...he got to where he is by working hard. The Springdale boys need to look up the words, EARN, RESPECT, CLASS, HUMILITY.
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
The spin doctors in this state have so much talent.
Quote from: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 09:35:47 pm
Quote from: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 08:46:57 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way.
Every high school stud wants to be an NFL QB (prolly Matt Jones too).
Playing against a bunch of HS teams made up of whatever talent lived in the district, MM looked pretty good. Against a group of selected players in the All Star game, he looked like a deer in the head lights. As a Razorback he looked like a freshman who might be good enough to start.
I can see Ms Campbell talking the the GM of the Giants, "Do you mind trading away your Pro Bowl running backs? My son really prefers not to have them overshadow his talent."
He is probably a nice kid, but there are 240 nice kids who are college QBs and all of them want to be drafted in the first round............get an education.
Sports is like a great funnel. There are hundreds and hundreds of high school senior QB's every year. Heck. just look at the number in Arkansas alone. Those are funneled down to less than 300 colleges with maybe 3 QB's on each team. Let's say a third of those are seniors each year so then maybe 100 college QB's are funneled down to maybe 4 or 5 spots a year. To make it in the NFL, Mustain will have 4 years to develop into one of the 4 or 5 best QB's in the country. I hope it happens for him since it is his dream, but I don't see it happening. He first committed to the U of A then reopened his recruiting. But, there were no takers. Does that mean that college coaches in the top programs he wanted to look at didn't know what they were doing or did that mean that they saw him for what he is: a good HS QB who is a project 2 or 3 years away?
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.
What?!
EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
They know those words. Quite well.
Mitch's ego isn't inflated. Anyone close to him knows that.
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 09:45:01 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.
Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.
What?!
EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:48:35 pm
Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.
Those guys don't just leave without a reason. It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 09:45:01 pm
What?!
EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
OK. WHAT EXACTLY was the lie?
Did Nutt say, "I promise you will start every game". Did he say, "I promise you will catch 60 passes a year." Did he say, "Gus is the OC". Did he say, "We will run the HUNH exclusively". Did he say, "I promise you will have 100% say over the offense."
Did he say, "You guys are going to be the cornerstone of our team"? (Shoot if that counts as a lie, lets just say all coaches lie and be done with it.)
I wasn't involved so I don't really know.
QuoteThose guys don't just leave without a reason. It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.
They did not get their way...they quit, then they left.
I don't know if this has been asked or not. Has anybody heard anything about ben cleveland also might be leaving for Tulsa ?
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 09:45:01 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.
What?!
EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
I don't think it points to it at all. Like I said, Malzahn would have crawled to be an OC in the SEC without any promises at all. Maybe what happened, and the game tapes would prove this I think, was that mid-season, it was apparent that Mustain wasn't ready for an all out air attack at the college level. Maybe someone was smart enough to realize (and even Malzahn said this) that the backbone of the team was in its running game. Why would anyone with an ounce of football knowlege believe that we should have abandoned a ground attack that was one of the top in the nation to run an unproven offense without the experience to do so? There were no lies. That is just what the naysayers want to believe. These were some HS prima donnas who thought they were coming in to save the day. Cleveland and Williams measured up thought Williams had the T.O. philosophy that every ball should come his way. Mustain just wasn't ready. Next year, we will have forgotten them.
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.
Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.
Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.
Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.
Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.
No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.
The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
You got a good point look at the kids from Little Rock from 2003-2004 Championship Teams they came in and worked hard proved themselves on the field and for the most part have been excellent teamates. I have never saw the, "You owe me something because I won a state championship attitude." Travel up the interstate a little bit and the kids from Springdale (Actually the parents and big boosters) decided who would be their college coach, the offense they would run, how much playing time they should get, basically ran the team! You are 110% correct no player(s) more important than the program! It was a mistake to act like Arkansas recruiting would fall off the earth if we didn't land the Springdale bunch! When has that area ever produced QUALITY D-1 players? The impact players that UA needs will come from outsided the state (mostly Texas) and the south, central part of Arkansas and its been that way for years! The wasted time and energy recruiting them could have been spent recruiting other players and by now the Springdale 5 would be forgotten! Give me kids that are glad for the opportunity to play. Not those that play for an opportunity!
I'm glad it's over. I can see if we went 4-7 and got badly beat that you would have something like this, but we went 10-4. It should be quiet in the hills. I wish we would have not recuited Mitch even though he was 7-0. I know we didn't recuit his mom. Some of the blame goes on Nutt.
If I was the AD, I would had fire Nutt in 2003. Mitch was overrated. His timing was off all season. He couldn't throw short routes good. Mitch would overthrow while Dick would underthrow. At least the locker room should be quiet. Houston Nutt, put Mcfadden at QB and Jones at TB all season.
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:46:01 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
Strike 1 = inability to stand out in college against some pretty mediocre competition.
Strike 2 = his tailback had a similar completion average with fewer interceptions.
Strike 3 = he will likely do well in a Division 1AA school, get drafted in a late round, sign an NFL contract, go to pre-season, get moved to WR, and get canned after his mother punches out the coaches and calls a press conference.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:49:51 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
What reason does he have to stay?
UH.......? As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....
Who's Mitch Mustain??? :)
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:46:01 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
**I think he has slightly less than fair shot.
**Yep...great arm STRENGTH, but no accuracy...also does not possess the "touch" that so many great QB's have.
**If there is a potent offense at Tulsa...then they need to stay with what they have...otherwise an "impotent" offense if his performance last year is any indication.
Oh, and I forgot...his biggest weakness...he is not mobile in any sense of the word.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Did they really not pay Malzahn? Those dirty S.Bs
Quote from: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:05:49 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
What reason does he have to stay?
UH.......? As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....
Gets promised that will run the HUNH, gets benched for someone who's on the same level as him, and get lied to.
Nutt is lonely go hug his nuts.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think if half the team said "Nutt Sucks" maybe the UofA would send him packing.
Quote from: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:08:05 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Did they really not pay Malzahn? Those dirty S.Bs
I was talking about Mustain hick bag.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:49:51 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.
If Arkansas would have run Gus's offense then I bet Gus would still be at Arkansas as would Mustain. As it is when you have HDN running the show any OC they bring in is gonna have the same trouble, now don't get me wrong I am not a hog fan at all, but Mustain did do pretty good at Springdale running Gus's offense. It all boils down to Nutt Sucks, thank GOD he didn't go to LSU a couple of years back.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Amen, RD. I would suffer through 5 seasons of below .500 in order to get the program re-organized. I agree, with the support of the Razorback fans...our program would be up and running better than it is now with a few changes.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:06:43 pm
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:46:01 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
**I think he has slightly less than fair shot.
**Yep...great arm STRENGTH, but no accuracy...also does not possess the "touch" that so many great QB's have.
**If there is a potent offense at Tulsa...then they need to stay with what they have...otherwise an "impotent" offense if his performance last year is any indication.
Wherever he goes, I think the year off and two spring practices will help him. But, the NFL, he is a long way away on that one. If he runs up some impressive passing stats, he might get a late round pick, but won't stick for long on a roster. What was the guy's name at Texas Tech a few years ago that racked up thousands of yards in their spread offense? Where is he now? Anyone know? Then, there is the QB from Hawaii a couple of years ago that went nowhere. The point is that there are dozens of college QB's who can pass and pass for a lot of yards. The few who can lead are the ones who make it. Mustain would have shown great leadership by saying "I'm on this team to win. I'm here for as long as they will have me and I'll do everything I can to win. Even if it means passing 3 times a game and handing the ball to a couple of all-american running backs the rest of the time. By the way, most of the coaches in the pass-happy NFL would give their right arm for a quality running game. Why should we be any different. What was it Lou Holtz said: "when you pass, three things can happen and two of them are bad." Run if you can. Pass if you have to.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:10:42 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:49:51 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.
He was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
Didn't Ben Cleveland state that he would be a Razorback for the next three years no matter what??? I'm not 100% on this, but I think I remember him saying that on Channel 5 news. His dad was the one pushing him to leave, and he pretty much said that it was his decision, not his dads.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:09:37 pm
Quote from: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:05:49 pm
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
What reason does he have to stay?
UH.......? As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....
Gets promised that will run the HUNH, gets benched for someone who's on the same level as him, and get lied to.
Nutt is lonely go hug his nuts.
I'm no Nutt fan and don't care one way of the other about Mustain.
But in the history of college football, do you think any college program has made absolute promises to an incoming freshman like that. "No matter what happens, even if a John Elway transfers, even if Herschel Walker enrolls, we absolutely promise we will let you start every down and we will let you call the plays from the huddle."
Now how about, "Well you know Gus is the OC, and Gus likes the HUNH he thinks you are the best, so come here."
Fine let him leave.
As long as it makes Nutt look bad to boosters I really don't care.
QuoteHe was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.
If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?
Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.
glad im not a UofA fan
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.
to all haters: it sounds like you would have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe. Fresno State took USC to the wire that year. Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.
I think the only thing that would help now would be to clean house...but the thing that makes the Hogs great is the wild fans we have...we can make a difference in the program by many ways...I as well am willing to risk a few years to see this program rise to where it should be...
I have a question. If MM was lied to, what was he told. I remember him saying that he did not mind being redshirted this year. Why would he say that? Also, answer this, how many games would we have won with MM being the QB and running Gus's offense this past fall.
Now, if HDN told them, they would start as freshmen and Mahlzans offense would be put in last summer, Nutt should be fired. You don't guarantee playing time to freshmen or change to a new scheme when you have the personell we did coming back. How do we know Nutt would not have gone to the type of offense those guys wanted. I would, if in the next couple of years, MM grew into the QB we think he will.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 04:23:09 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 16, 2007, 03:53:25 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot. ONly 1 had a winning record.
I'm talking about the team, not a particular player. Arkansas faced 7 teams with winning records and an 8th (Alabama) that was .500, 3 BCS teams (would have been 5 had Wisconsin and Auburn been eligible), and 8 bowl teams. Tulsa doesn't remotely get close to that and never will. Not in a state with OU and OSU and in a territory that Arkansas raids for the best players.
We raid Oklahoma for talent? Other than Felix Jones, what star players have we pulled out of Oklahoma?
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 10:23:55 pm
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.
If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?
Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:33:09 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 10:23:55 pm
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.
If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?
Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
How do we know they were truly promised this?How do we know they are not lying to try and cover their rears?
QuoteRT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.
I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:16 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe. Fresno State took USC to the wire that year. Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.
They won 9 including a 7 point win over Fresno in the Liberty bowl. Still, they don't even come close to the caliber of play the Hogs face in the SEC. Sure, we have our patsies. Every school does. The difference is, Tulsa is usually the patsie for a couple of tier 1 schools. Even after a 9 win season and a bowl victory over a nationally recognized team, this year their top attendance was 28,000. Year after next, Mustain will walk out on the field and wonder where all of the people are. It will seem like a canyon after playing before 70,000+ when at Arkansas. But, it's all about him and his stats so maybe he can rack those up at Tulsa. He won't have crowd noise to distract him.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:36:54 pm
QuoteRT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.
I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.
I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
Man you really need to lay off the Murray State Mafia's kool aid.
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:15 pm
to all haters: it sounds like you would have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.
The best and most accurate post of the day!!!!
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:39:32 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:36:54 pm
QuoteRT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.
I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.
I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
Tell me what YOU think Nutt told them that made them come to UA.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:39:32 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:36:54 pm
QuoteRT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.
I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.
I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
They figured out they would not play at all at those schools during their freshman year...at least at Arkansas they played...and that still was not good enough. Perhaps they will find a college team that will BUILD a team around them in which they can SHINE for the great athletes they are.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:39:32 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:36:54 pm
QuoteRT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.
I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.
I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
No..the thing is that the Springdale boys have their heads so far up Malzahns butt that they will follow and do what he says.Simple as that..they came to Arkansas for/with Malzahn..now they are going to Tulsa for/with Malzahn.
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Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.
I seriously can't understand why every college hasn't hired you as a scout. EVERY major D1 school evaluated and offered Mustain a scholarship, but they could have saved themselves a scholarship and embarrassment by recruiting an overrated Gatorade Player of the Year with a simple PM! I ask again, are you the same guy that stated DMac would never play RB in college? I know there were several people stating that, but I guess they changed their mind and want to look like a moron again before the players can prove themselves. What happens if Mustain transfers, gets a competent coach, excels and gets drafted? I guess everyone will change their ID's and talk about how Arkansas was crazy for letting him get away.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:40:39 pm
Man you really need to lay off the Murray State Mafia's kool aid.
So I take it you think Tulsa plays at the same level as the Hogs?
Here is how it went down.
Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history
They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job enviroment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)
No, I am not the guy that said DMAC would never play in college. I am the guy that thought Mustain was suspect EVEN at the state championship game, where he had a very good night. He has a strong arm...and that is about it...
My ID has been the same for the past 4 years...
IF (and I predict he won't) makes it in the NFL, I will say I was wrong, but it will not change the fact that he is a quitter, that will abandon his teammates for his own selfish reasons.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
I don't think they're quitters. They're still going to be playing somewhere. That's not quitting. People transfer all the time. People sign with schools not in their home state. In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time. Please, don't take it so personal. This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans. Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems. Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
By the time Mustain is eligible to play they will be. You see, Nutt's gravy train of McFadden and Jones will be gone by then and the Hogs will be in some serious trouble.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:46:39 pm
Here is how it went down.
Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history
They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.
I wonder if it's got anything to do with us not having the players this year to implement it. So, are you saying, that if you were the head coach, you would have abandoned a nationally leading running game to try a brand new and untested offense in a league like the SEC? That seems to be what everyone is thinking Coach Nutt should have done.
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:50:13 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
I don't think they're quitters. They're still going to be playing somewhere. That's not quitting. People transfer all the time. People sign with schools not in their home state. In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time. Please, don't take it so personal. This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans. Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems. Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
Damian cut and ran before the bowl game. In an interview Mustain says he is staying then a few days later...he's gone.
Says Nutt didn't talk to him on the field...they probably haven't seen a field since Jan 1.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:46:39 pm
Here is how it went down.
Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history
They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.
OK...so even IF they were promised it would be put in..hhow long does it take to put it in at the High School level?About 2-3 yers..how long was they at Arkansas?One season...hummmmmmmmmm
HDN not perfect but not to blame here. haters no mater what the man does you will not be happy.you would Rather have a losing season and lose a class of Seniors just to get nutt fired. you are not real hog fans no mater what you say. if you could not see our talent this year was running the ball, then you
are blind. we did not have the q back to run that offense that you wanted. you all are keeping this drama going in hopes of nutt getting fired. you are just as SAD as others who think as freshmen i come
first not the team. what about me you promised me i would play, wheather i could pass or not. give up
that running attack because i am from springdale. GUYS YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!!!!! LIKE MCFADDEN.
SAM EVEN LET MITCH KNOW THAT IT WAS ABOUT TEAM NOT I. guess i was more important.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:46:39 pm
Here is how it went down.
Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history
They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.
Hey, now I know who you are...you are a writer for that show "90210".
That was good...nice imagination.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:46:39 pm
Here is how it went down.
Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history
They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.
I can agree with that. However, if anyone told Gus he would be able to implement his offense this past year, he should be fired. 90% of the people on this board have never gone through the recruiting game. I did 20 years ago and I went through it last year with my son. Coaches, who recruit, never use terms that are exact. They will always use generalities. I bet Gus was told the offense would develop into more of his style. Even Gus has stated, we would take what is given to us and exploit the other team's weaknesses. Our running game did that at the start of the season. When we were not able to run the ball, our QB's did not step up and perform the way we thought they would. I noticed that Dick and MM threw the ball very poorly in several games.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:38:59 pm
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:16 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Quote from: 6aaafan A.K.A Some sort of prophet on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe. Fresno State took USC to the wire that year. Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.
They won 9 including a 7 point win over Fresno in the Liberty bowl. Still, they don't even come close to the caliber of play the Hogs face in the SEC. Sure, we have our patsies. Every school does. The difference is, Tulsa is usually the patsie for a couple of tier 1 schools. Even after a 9 win season and a bowl victory over a nationally recognized team, this year their top attendance was 28,000. Year after next, Mustain will walk out on the field and wonder where all of the people are. It will seem like a canyon after playing before 70,000+ when at Arkansas. But, it's all about him and his stats so maybe he can rack those up at Tulsa. He won't have crowd noise to distract him.
I wasn't trying to say that Tulsa plays on the level of the SEC, but they are a solid football team right now. Also that was the year that USC beat Arkansas 70-17, Fresno should've beat them. There's a reason Arkansas hasn't played Tulsa lately and it doesn't have a thing to do with Gus. Regardless, I don't think any Razorback fan should be chastising other programs with the state theirs is in right now.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:49:31 pm
No, I am not the guy that said DMAC would never play in college. I am the guy that thought Mustain was suspect EVEN at the state championship game, where he had a very good night. He has a strong arm...and that is about it...
My ID has been the same for the past 4 years...
IF (and I predict he won't) makes it in the NFL, I will say I was wrong, but it will not change the fact that he is a quitter, that will abandon his teammates for his own selfish reasons.
So, if you are a 18 year old kid, do whats right for a program that is in turmoil and ran by the village idiot that the VAST majority of fans want gone. What if he stays and Nutt continues to fail? Then what? "Tough kid, but thanks for letting us use you and have a good life"! I have a daughter going through the recruiting process, and I can assure you that loyalty goes both ways! If they lie and don't come through, they can stick it. I guess if at your job, they come in and tell you that they are cutting your pay and moving your hours to 3rd shift, you are going to stay out of loyalty?
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 10:50:42 pm
By the time Mustain is eligible to play they will be. You see, Nutt's gravy train of McFadden and Jones will be gone by then and the Hogs will be in some serious trouble.
The Hogs won before there was a McFadden and Jones and they will win after they are gone. Everyone wants to look at the two years before this one (one being with M & J) and think this was a losing program until this year. The six years before those, Nutt was 59 - 30 with six bowl appearances and 2 appearances in the league championship game. Everyone, even the Nutt detractors, agreed that the two losing years were the products of the NCAA investigation and reduced scholarships for something Nutt had nothing to do with. That struggle is over with and I believe we will see success even without the Springdale whiners, D-Mac and Felix.
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:40:44 pm
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:15 pm
to all haters: it sounds like you would have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.
The best and most accurate post of the day!!!!
Of course you think it is the best & accurate post of the day. He agrees with you.
Quote from: Leinart07 on January 16, 2007, 11:00:53 pm
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.
The thing is the program was not in a mess, until the parents met with Broyles, and then it snow balled from there.
You do know that you aren't supposed to drink the bong water right?
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I wasn't trying to say that Tulsa plays on the level of the SEC, but they are a solid football team right now. Also that was the year that USC beat Arkansas 70-17, Fresno should've beat them. There's a reason Arkansas hasn't played Tulsa lately and it doesn't have a thing to do with Gus. Regardless, I don't think any Razorback fan should be chastising other programs with the state theirs is in right now.
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10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS. Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.
As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.
Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?
Mustain would have carried Arkansas to it's first title. He would have held them in the top ten, possibly top five for the next couple of years.
You can not blame the kid for leaving. most recruits are lied to and led to believe certain things about their playing time and such...but when you have one of the nations top recruits and you tell him that the offense will be this and he'll get to do this...then you should let that happen....otherwise, he goes and wins his Heisman somewhere else.
I think the kid is worth the hype. The little All Star game didn't prove anything........it's just a game where kids are trying to have fun and play and not get hurt.....had Mustain been allowed to play under the play calling of the Offensive Coach rather than that idiot Nutt then we all would have seen a much better quarterback
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS. Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.
As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.
Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 16, 2007, 10:56:05 pm
Quote from: Prairie_Ar on January 16, 2007, 10:48:30 pm
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job environment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)
Better JOB???? NO way, less pressure and more control yes. But the prestige, and the competition, but the next step is back to a program like the U of A, so this was a step down.
I think it is a better job "FOR GUS". Maybe he was not quite ready for the SEC. Maybe he is not a college coach. That is not a knock on him. It just takes a certain type of person to be a coach. But it takes a special person to be a coach on that level. It could be brutal.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS. Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.
As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.
Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:06:04 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?
Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.
Go back and read.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:09:11 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:06:04 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?
Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.
Go back and read.
True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa boards.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:05:23 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS. Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.
As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.
Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
So basically, you have very little knowledge of the game and yet fell like Mustain is a complete failure. Did you happen to stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
I didn't say you weren't "cuttin' the mustard", but you earn good evaluations yet get your pay cut and shift changed. You still stay even though there are opportunities available elsewhere? Interesting. Stupid, but interesting.
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:10:19 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:09:11 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:06:04 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?
Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.
Go back and read.
True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
Now we really don't have to worry about that now do we?
I don't think it is in his future now either.
Here's a concept...the QB situation (notice I didn't say MM), could have helped DMAC win the Heisman had either of them been more productive, which would have opened up the running game. Just wondering....
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
"Uh Darren and Felix, sorry to tell you guys, but for the 2007 season we are de-emphasizing the running game. Seems as though Coach Nutt signed a piece of paper promising Ms. Campbell that her son would be able to start every game and run the HUNH offense. UofA is bound by this piece of paper even if MM is 1 for 100 with 12 or if he is injured or if a better QB is recruited or if he violates team rules, or if he isn't a leader. It is just the way it is. It isn't a matter of what is best for the team. We don't won't the coaching staff involved. We just have to arrange the team around Mitch and Ms. Campbell until 2010. You understand don't you."
"Oh, Nevermind, they just transferred. I guess that means we can give you the ball some next year. Is that OK with you? Should we clear that with your parents?"
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:03:52 pm
10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff. When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost. They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost. I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them. My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out. I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA. I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:13:12 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:10:19 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:09:11 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:06:04 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?
Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.
Go back and read.
True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
Now we really don't have to worry about that now do we?
I don't think it is in his future now either.
Here's a concept...the QB situation (notice I didn't say MM), could have helped DMAC win the Heisman had either of them been more productive, which would have opened up the running game. Just wondering....
I doubt it because the media are idiots. McFadden could have had twice as many yards but that boy from Ohio was going to get it no matter what....too bad it's not given after the season. then...maybe....McFaddenn would have won
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:07:08 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.
Now that every team has a year to prepare for the "wildcat", do you people believe it is going to be as successful as this year? Florida basically shut it down with a 1 week preparation.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:12:24 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:05:23 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS. Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.
As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.
Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
So basically, you have very little knowledge of the game and yet fell like Mustain is a complete failure. Did you happen to stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
I didn't say you weren't "cuttin' the mustard", but you earn good evaluations yet get your pay cut and shift changed. You still stay even though there are opportunities available elsewhere? Interesting. Stupid, but interesting.
You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.
I never said I didn't know anything about football...I said I don't have any football credentials...I am not a coach, nor did I play one on TV, and yes, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
QuoteI doubt it because the media are idiots. McFadden could have had twice as many yards but that boy from Ohio was going to get it no matter what....too bad it's not given after the season. then...maybe....McFaddenn would have won.
Looks like we agree to agree. :-)
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:52:57 pm
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:50:13 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
I don't think they're quitters. They're still going to be playing somewhere. That's not quitting. People transfer all the time. People sign with schools not in their home state. In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time. Please, don't take it so personal. This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans. Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems. Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
Damian cut and ran before the bowl game. In an interview Mustain says he is staying then a few days later...he's gone.
Says Nutt didn't talk to him on the field...they probably haven't seen a field since Jan 1.
Damian made a decision that early so he could get enrolled at USC academically. It wasn't all about football. I'm just hoping Mitch can still get registered at Tulsa academically so he won't lose a semester. I don't think "cut and ran" are the right words to describe the situation.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:15:13 pm
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:07:08 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.
Now that every team has a year to prepare for the "wildcat", do you people believe it is going to be as successful as this year? Florida basically shut it down with a 1 week preparation.
We did better against Florida than anyone else did. Just look at who you just compared us to, the champs.
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:13:40 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:15:42 pm
You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.
I never said I didn't know anything about football...
Hate to tell you, but I know as much about football as you do, and that isn't much! I also have this tendency to see how things pan out before I stick my foot in my mouth and make idiotic predictions when anyone with an IQ in double digits knows the problem on the Hill is with HDN and FB.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:21:02 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:15:42 pm
You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.
I never said I didn't know anything about football...
Hate to tell you, but I know as much about football as you do, and that isn't much! I also have this tendency to see how things pan out before I stick my foot in my mouth and make idiotic predictions when anyone with an IQ in double digits knows the problem on the Hill is with HDN and FB.
You win!
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:19:07 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:13:40 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:11:57 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa boards.
To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.
Enough said.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:22:32 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 11:19:07 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:13:40 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
Now how did you know I was a Peyton Manning fan...
Actually, I agree with you. I think he is one of the best QB's in a VERY long time (again thanks to Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc), but his play over the past few games...has been pretty lame. Would I take him out of the game...NOPE.
so we should give up a Heisman contender running back for
a high school q back that has not proved anything in college except
that every thing is about me not the team. and if i don't get my way, my Mommy
will have a talk to you and if that doesn't work me and my HIGH SCHOOL coach will go
somewhere else.
its a good thing SAM confronted mm and let him know it is about team not i.
mm and Gus is not bigger than the program. lets move on go hogs.
if you mess Gus and mm to much PLEASE GO TO THE TULSA BOARDS.
and my high school coach will go some w\\\\\
From a USC board:
"I doubt he'll contact USC. His family seems WAY to into this kid's CFB career to let him get too far away from the nest. Besides, LORD HELP us if he ever became part of our Program. Nutt has apparently been up to his eyeballs dealing with Mitch's family, all the way up to his GRANDMOTHER. If he had to wait until his Junior year to start it'd be nothing but drama. Besides, he may have gone 8-0 as a starter for the Hogs this season but let's face it, [Darren McFadden] got him there, not his passing ability. If anything I bet he goes to Tulsa, sits out a year then starts for Malzhan his final three."
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:23:14 pm
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
Bush won it last year. Did USC pass?
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
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So your comparing PEYTON MANNING to mitch mustain?
CHIEF OF STAFF : i must have struck a nerve, if mm is as good as you think ,he wouldn't be
here for ever neither. who's the idiot now!
again Tulsa board.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 11:25:04 pm
To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.
Enough said.
Right, so if you are a decent QB, you take advantage of the breathing room they give you, get a couple of winning seasons under your belt, win a few bowl games, hone you skills, and then KICK BUTT with your passing your last two years.
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:26:38 pm
so we should give up a Heisman contender running back for
a high school q back that has not proved anything in college except
that every thing is about me not the team. and if i don't get my way, my Mommy
will have a talk to you and if that doesn't work me and my HIGH SCHOOL coach will go
somewhere else.
its a good thing SAM confronted mm and let him know it is about team not i.
mm and Gus is not bigger than the program. lets move on go hogs.
if you mess Gus and mm to much PLEASE GO TO THE TULSA BOARDS.
and my high school coach will go some w\\\\\
No, we should develop a passing game for balance. In other words, develop the ability to compete for a championship. If you think we can win by simply running the ball, you must be Barry Switzer. DMac is out of the bag now folks, his yards will be much harder to come by next year.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:23:14 pm
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
Bush won it last year. Did USC pass?
I only saw a few games...balanced is what comes to mind with me...
Please tell me you are not comparing Leinart to Mustain...that is a REALLY bad comparison. Sorry.
Quote from: Absolut on January 16, 2007, 11:31:00 pm
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
So your comparing PEYTON MANNING to mitch mustain?
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NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!
Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:33:11 pm
who's the idiot now!
You are! You continue to prove that with every post.
do we want him to leave?that way it will make the situation worse for nutt and the crew! i mean come on... we do have 2 4 star tight ends coming next year.
t wacker- so would mm be here for every.
Yea, I don't think Lienard sucked as bad as Dick and Mitch did!!!
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:51:02 pm
t wacker- so would mm be here for every.
Ladies & Gentleman, our search for the new manningfan has ended.
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.
Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.
Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.
Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.
Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.
No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.
The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!
Quote from: Rudy on January 16, 2007, 10:13:53 pm
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Amen, RD. I would suffer through 5 seasons of below .500 in order to get the program re-organized. I agree, with the support of the Razorback fans...our program would be up and running better than it is now with a few changes.
Are you serious? Sounds like some personal issue. We just won 10 games and played for the SEC Championship!
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:44:31 pm
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!
Your using a "Media Outlet" as your source of "truth"? LOL
NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!
Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!
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LOL. Your comparing Manning to mustain. Manning had a couple of bad games, but he's a former NFL MVP. Mustain has done what in his career. Man you need to go to bed.
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Welcome to [Life/Real World]. It does get difficult at times. Learn from this and become a better person.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 04:57:00 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 04:55:39 pm
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.
Circumstances have changed since then.
So each time that the "circumstances change" I get to change my mind about being a team player?
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:22:03 am
Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!
That's a ludicris statement. Coach Nutt is far from being the best coach for Arkansas. Coach Nutt had as much to do with winning the games this season as the waterboy did. He just happened to be the man with clipboard who was watching McFadden with the same amazement as the rest of the country.
Next season, Arkansas WILL return to mediocracy. I gurantee, the Cinderalla season went downhill and it's not coming back.
Sure, playing three SunBelt teams (funny...isn't that ASU's conference??) Arkansas should have some wins next season, but they won't be piling up wins the way they did this year.
Then Broyles will be able to get rid of Nutt.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:23:41 am
Quote from: Rudy on January 16, 2007, 10:13:53 pmAre you serious? Sounds like some personal issue. We just won 10 games and played for the SEC Championship!
Did they win the SEC Championship? How'd they do against USC? How about Wisconsin? Oh that's right...MCFadden didn't run as well and ole' one play Nutt didn't have an answer.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 16, 2007, 08:28:10 pm
Quote from: Big Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....
Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Isn't this NCAA investigation stuff? Boy I hope so..
No. It is called big time collage football. Sometimes feelings get hurt.
And then people like yourself say. Call the NCAA. get real!
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:37:17 am
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 04:57:00 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 04:55:39 pm
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.
Circumstances have changed since then.
So each time that the "circumstances change" I get to change my mind about being a team player?
First of all...I wouldn't have let my kid put his future into the hands of some idiot coach like Nutt in the first place...but, if I've got the hometown team with a guarantee that certain things will happen then I might consider letting him have some say.
Schools find plenty of reasons to strip athletes of scholarships so why can't an athlete leave when he isn't getting what he was promised?
Mustain could have...and if you go back serveral months..you'll see where I said he should have chosen a different school.........
that would be interesting to see where I said Nutt would Ruin Mustain and alot of the same people saying mustain sucks now, were defending nutt and mustain......
how far can we go back in the archives?
Quote from: xtremewildcat on January 17, 2007, 12:19:20 am
Yea, I don't think Lienard sucked as bad as Dick and Mitch did!!!
something about what you said is really funny..I guess I'm tired
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.
That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 16, 2007, 09:50:31 pm
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:48:35 pm
Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.
Those guys don't just leave without a reason. It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.
Each athlete is sold a "bill of goods". If the coach has done his job as a recruiter! That is why it is called "recruiting" and why many good field coaches are fired. Because they "can't recruit".
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:24:02 pm
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.
When have we thrown the ball to the TE? Good use? What constitutes good use? Just using them as an extra OL?
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
Wow, it's an honor to have Chuck Barrett on here.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:23:06 am
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.
I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.
Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.
So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.
It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.
Wally
Wow, it's an honor to have Chuck Barrett on here.
Searcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.
Find a new team, no way.
This is my program. This is our program.
This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches. I will never abandon it.
What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 17, 2007, 02:28:14 amSearcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.
The thing is, I like Wally.
I just couldn't disagree more with his opinion.
Quote from: Attorney "G"neral on January 17, 2007, 02:25:54 amThe thing I'm hacked off more than anything at is that not a single media outlet (TV, radio, web) is questioning anything besides what's on the surface. God forbid anyone says anything negetive about the University.
Wanna know why? Because speaking out would find them cut off from any information for stories from the program, and cut off quickly.
God, I wish Orville was still alive.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:33:20 am
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 17, 2007, 02:28:14 amSearcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.
The thing is, I like Wally.
I just couldn't disagree more with his opinion.
Oh I don't have anything against him, I just thought your reply to him was priceless.
Quote from: Attorney "G"neral on January 17, 2007, 02:39:11 amI mean message boards such as Hogville get the scoop before any other media, or at least make it public.
True, but we also have rumors that don't turn out to be true, and lots of them.
Not to mention plants from the Nutt hugger boards that register, post ridiculous rumors that we have to chase down, just to discredit the site.
While stories break online now, the great majority of fans don't get their information from message boards, so breaking the story on TV or in a newspaper still matters greatly. At least I'd think it would.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:33:21 pmDMac is out of the bag now folks, his yards will be much harder to come by next year.
I seriously doubt this, I mean we do play three Sun Belt teams, Ole Miss & Miss State, there's a 1000yds there !!!
You know, if Mustain would have played his cards right, he could have been a GOD in Arkansas. He should have released a statement that sounded something like this:
"I'd like to address the issue of Coach Malzahn leaving, I wish him the best of luck, he was a vital part of my high school success, and one of the main reasons I signed to play at the University of Arkansas. But the fact remains, I signed to play at the University of Arkansas, not the University of Malzahn. I have hopes of helping McFadden win the Heisman Award in 2007 and leading the Razorbacks to a National Championship. I hope this puts to rest all rumors of my leaving"
If he would have said that, the people of Arkansas would have embraced him, carried him on their shoulders, he could have gotten away with ANYTHING !! But no, he packed, and left ... this guy isn't so bright afterall !!!
God forgive me, but I have to agree with Uncle Ivan. I agree with most of RD's assessment of the situation, except the condemnation of the players. They bought into the same lies that we did. They were led to believe there would be changes. So were we. Most are saying we as fans should not support the program, buy their merchandise, buy tickets... why are we so down on them because they no longer want to be part of the farce.
IMO, the problem was in Nutt was forced to hire Malzhan. (Oh, come on! You don't honestly think he WANTED to hire someone who knew more about running an offense than he did.) He never wanted to hire Gus. He never intended for it to work. Pressure was on him to hire an OC and let someone else call the plays, so he did. He didn't think it would work, then he could wash his hands and say, "Well, we tried. Back to my way." When Gus started getting some recognition, Nutt started publicly commenting that he called that play. Or, "I noticed that they were doing this, so I told him to do this".
Bottom Line is,...it was a grand effort, but it failed. Now, on to damge control. How do they restore the integrity of the program?...heck if I know. Will there be more defections? Probably.
I will always be a Razorback fan. Just like I will always be an American. That doesn't mean I will always agree with the decisions that are made, or the way things are handled. I have never felt that Nutt was a good game coach, and still don't. I think he is a great motivator, and gets the team pumped. He seems to do his best when nobody really expects much of the team. Was Gus the answer. Might have been, but we'll never know. A mistake was made. It was doomed from the beginning. Thanks Frank.
It's time to move on. I hope Gus and all the kids do well. I'm sure they will. And the Hogs will continue to be in that 8-10 game win category. (Face it, when you schedule 12 games to begin with, that whole 10-win season doesn't quite have the same meaning that it use to.)
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:22:03 am
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.
Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.
Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.
Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.
Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.
No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.
The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!
I didn't know Danny Nutt had an account on here.
What's up, JBELL? How's the weather in Washington? :)
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 03:48:38 am
What's up, JBELL? How's the weather in Washington? :)
Cold, wet, & snowy. ;)
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:22:03 am
Quote from: Vice President RD on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.
Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.
Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.
Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.
Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.
No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.
The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!
Dude is just a "Nutt" rider!!!!!!!!!!!
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end. 235 is even small at the college level any more.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:23:14 pm
QuoteHe was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
He did finish second this year, but how is he going to fare next season. I don't know many Heisman Trophy winners to come off of teams with losing records.
Quote from: CHSTigersFan on January 17, 2007, 06:44:41 am
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 10:23:14 pm
QuoteHe was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
He did finish second this year, but how is he going to fare next season. I don't know many Heisman Trophy winners to come off of teams with losing records.
We won't have a losing record.
Quote from: CHSTigersFan on January 16, 2007, 10:09:55 pm
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think if half the team said "Nutt Sucks" maybe the UofA would send him packing.
That won't happen though because almost the entire team loves Coach Nutt.
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Quote from: youthguy on January 17, 2007, 01:04:48 am
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:24:02 pm
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.
When have we thrown the ball to the TE? Good use? What constitutes good use? Just using them as an extra OL?
Kind of what I was thinking. I haven't seen the TE's used much at all since Davenport. Sure, Peters caught a ball here and there, but TE's at Arkansas are primarily blockers. The only way that will change is if Coker is named the new OC. He makes great use of the TE's.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
I am not a huge fan of Nutt, but I will support him while he is here. I haven't bashed Mustain personally because he is transferring. I really don't care that he is transferring. I have said he didn't play like a good QB while here, but there isn't anything wrong to that statement. If Mustain thinks he needs to transfer, then good luck. However, I find it pretty sorry he didn't come to be a Hog. That is my only problem with him. This proves he didn't come to be a hog. He came to be with Gus.
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
Razorback fans act like the U of A is a National Powerhouse, and that a 10 win season in the SEC is just not good enough. When the truth be told there are at least 6 schools in the SEC with bigger traditions, better recruiting bases, and are more prestigious in the eyes of college football followers. (Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia) Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.
As for the situation yesterday, it all turned bad the minute we treated the mother like she was going to take us to the national title. I have never heard of a parent making so much noise at any other program. Somebody said yesterday that she was looking out for her child. Well I don't want a child trying to lead our team in the SEC. I was under the impression that we were recruiting a young man.
You guys all miss the point. Mitch leaving is a who cares. Losing the Gatorade Player of the year, after you spent hours recruiting him, looks stupid. It's not about the player. They've lost now 2 players and a coach, THEY WENT OUT AND GOT 13 months ago. What the heck is going on. Does anyone remember the espn.com article when Mitch came? It was a big deal to a get player of his stature. It's not to lose him?
Quote from: Absolut on January 17, 2007, 12:32:07 am
NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!
Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!
LOL. Your comparing Manning to mustain. Manning had a couple of bad games, but he's a former NFL MVP. Mustain has done what in his career. Man you need to go to bed.
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NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!
I posted this earlier, so I guess you answered my question. Comprehension is beyond your capability.
Let me put it as simple as I can to match your IQ: I am not comparing Mustain to Manning, I was using the "carried by the defense" comparison. If you can't understand this, call your daddy in the room, read the post and explain it to you using crayons!
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
great point
Quote from: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 07:42:40 am
Razorback fans act like the U of A is a National Powerhouse, and that a 10 win season in the SEC is just not good enough. When the truth be told there are at least 6 schools in the SEC with bigger traditions, better recruiting bases, and are more prestigious in the eyes of college football followers. (Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia) Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.
Ever occurred to you the reason they have better programs is the fact that they don't have a FB as an AD. These schools will not tolerate mediocrity, but Arkansas will, that's the difference. I guess we can't even compare to the mighty Boise State anymore.
Quote from: SCS-2006 on January 17, 2007, 07:46:32 am
You guys all miss the point. Mitch leaving is a who cares. Losing the Gatorade Player of the year, after you spent hours recruiting him, looks stupid. It's not about the player. They've lost now 2 players and a coach, THEY WENT OUT AND GOT 13 months ago. What the heck is going on. Does anyone remember the espn.com article when Mitch came? It was a big deal to a get player of his stature. It's not to lose him?
*scratches head*
I'm not sure I follow. What exactly are you trying to say?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
Quote from: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 07:42:40 am
Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.
Yeah, thank goodness they didn't make a play for Butch Davis when he was available.
Anyway, you know what really sucks? Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere. Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:44:36 am
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.
That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!
So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback? Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:08:48 amAnyway, you know what really sucks? Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere. Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming.
Wouldn't have mattered. Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END! And that's why I can't have nuthin nice! >:(
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me. However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger. If he was fired I wouldn't mind that much. I don't hate Mustain for leaving. I haven't dissed him because of it. I have never been a fan of him, and most people on here know that. However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Quote from: ppop on January 17, 2007, 08:18:40 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:08:48 amAnyway, you know what really sucks? Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere. Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming.
Wouldn't have mattered. Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END! And that's why I can't have nuthin nice! >:(
You know, as shocking as this is, I can't say I'm surprised. Who else but HDN could take one of the top 3 QB prospects in the country and try to make him a TE?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:13:59 am
So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback? Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?
-CLAP-
I have a question. Who did we beat out in the big recruiting battle for Casey Dick? I must have missed it, but I don't remember the press conference when we signed him. Where is he from, anyway?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:20:39 am
Quote from: ppop on January 17, 2007, 08:18:40 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:08:48 amAnyway, you know what really sucks? Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere. Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming.
Wouldn't have mattered. Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END! And that's why I can't have nuthin nice! >:(
You know, as shocking as this is, I can't say I'm surprised. Who else but HDN could take one of the top 3 QB prospects in the country and try to make him a TE?
Heck, maybe he learned his lesson with Matt Jones. He played an NFL wide-receiver at QB, why not play an NFL QB at TE?
Let the NCAA Investigations come...
Lure players and their coach in on false pretenses of running a familiar offense..SANCTIONS
Yes, we still have Jones and McFadden, but as we saw last season..we can't win a National or even a SEC Championship without passing.
I'm not upset one bit at Mitch leaving, saw this one coming when I was hearing about the dissention between the staff, during the spring practices.. After that Broyles supposedly stepped in an demanded that Malzahn be given control..Shortly following the USC, different tune..new offensive philosophy..the same one we've been losing with under Nutt, during his whole (NO BCS win or SEC Championship-longest of any BCS school coach) tenure. Mitch did the best thing for him and his family..
Now you see why the parents came in..Nutt had been planning to demote Gus the whole season, regardless of what he had done..
You lied to the whole state when you said in last years press conference- "I'm going to turn Gus Mal-a-zahn loose on them"
I wish the best for Mitch and his family, he took as much of this turmoil as he could..
Frank and Nutt must go..our program is sinking BAD
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 11:25:04 pm
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:11:57 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa boards.
To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.
Enough said.
It scares me that guys like you are protecting our country.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:13:59 am
So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback? Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?
+1
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 08:19:12 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me. However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger. If he was fired I wouldn't mind that much. I don't hate Mustain for leaving. I haven't dissed him because of it. I have never been a fan of him, and most people on here know that. However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Mitch wanted to be a Hog..I don't blame him one bit..There hasn't been a successful QB produced under Nutt since he fired Joe Ferguson.
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.
How many players have moved on to the NFL from the mighty Tulsa Hurricane? I would guess not many and for a QB I would guess zero. Looks like the trend will continue.
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 08:03:02 am
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
How is it different? Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths. Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 08:19:12 am
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me.
That doesn't make it any less relevant to what happened yesterday.
QuoteHowever, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger.
I wouldn't say you're a hugger either. Maybe extreme Razorback fanboy, but not hugger.
QuoteHowever, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Perhaps he thought that maybe the guy (HDN) who made all those promises to him would have had a shred of integrity and let Malzahn do what he was hired to do. Maybe once he realized that wasn't the case, he decided that he'd had enough.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:08:48 am
Quote from: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 07:42:40 am
Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.
Yeah, thank goodness they didn't make a play for Butch Davis when he was available.
Anyway, you know what really sucks? Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere. Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming.
Tyson was the only major player in that situation..we blew our chance once again by not giving the boot to Houston when he flirted with Nebraska and LSU..Mitch Mustain was Houston's job..he recruited him to save himself..The fence around the state just complete shattered. Our recruiting efforts are now thrown under the bus and now we realize that Nutt can't develop a QB. He couldn't hack it at the U of A or OSU what makes us believe he can develop an untapped talent right out of high school.
I would not call 10-4 mediocre. That's a good year. It was disappointing to see us loose our last 3 games, but was any other team's last 3 games as tough as Arkansas. They were all among the top 6 teams in the country. Oh, and our other loss was to USC. They weren't bad either. As far as the Boise State argument, they beat one good team (Oklahoma). Arkansas beats teams of that caliber a couple times a year. (Auburn, Tennessee) Boise State had to do it one time.
i hope he goes! anything to get Nutt out of this state!
Malzahn had the most integrity of any man on the Hill..He felt as if he lied to his players when he recruited them after his offense was shown the door. He's going to a place where he can actually call the plays. Casey Dick has a lot of potential, but he will never grow under an offense where he doesn't take his bumps and bruises nor any QB under Nutt..that being the reason why we are going after a dual threat QB.
Now what do you do with all the players that came when Malzahn hopped aboard..The ones that believed they were going to be playing with friends that had played with in allstar games and were upbeat about running a wide open offense. What does all this tell the players that were already on the Hill or were even considering coming to the U of A.
We all see why players had been transferring under Nutt in the first place. The dominoes will now fall and Frank will be put under the spotlight for this whole situation. Where do you draw the line for a program that is SUPPOSEDLY committed to winning a national championship. How many times will we say "if we could have just had a decent passing game no telling how far we could go?"
This all sums it up for me..it keeps replaying in my mind-
During the bowl game the announcers were talking during Arkansas' 2nd possession of the 2nd half, and they said something along these lines, "boy if Arkansas had a QB or a quality passing game, there is no telling how good they could be."
As a Razorback fan, I want to see us observe the state of other programs.. We see other AD's firing coaches even after having successful seasons. We've had the right players at least 3 seasons under Nutt where we could have made some serious noise on the national scene and we flamed out.
Enough is enough, if we are so committed to winning, then what is wrong with our football program. We have the facilities, everything needed to win. When is it enough for all of us Razorback fans to get tired of watching teams that we could have or should have beat when Championships.
Either we're committed to winning our we're content for never winning a national or SEC championship under Houston.
The tight end posistion has been non existent in this offense for quite a while.
All of this happens when you sell your sole to the Devil to save your job. That's the kind of guy Nutt is, now you people finally realize what all the other non-Hog fans do. He's just Smoke and Mirrors and he's all about himself. He's a play on words to make any situation look better regardless of what it is.
I don't blame Gus for leaving. Gus was told the same thing the Springdale players were to get him in up there because Nutt was forced to do it. And why not? , then all the Springdale players will surely sign and guess what? They did and Nutt's respect, or what little he had left went out the door.
I got qusetion if nutt leaves and a few years later he wins
the national championship the who going to gripe at. It has happened
before after a coach leaving then winning it all
Nutt? National championship? He11 he won't leave and win a state championship.
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:30:34 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 08:03:02 am
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
How is it different? Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths. Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 08:19:12 am
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me.
That doesn't make it any less relevant to what happened yesterday.
QuoteHowever, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger.
I wouldn't say you're a hugger either. Maybe extreme Razorback fanboy, but not hugger.
QuoteHowever, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Perhaps he thought that maybe the guy (HDN) who made all those promises to him would have had a shred of integrity and let Malzahn do what he was hired to do. Maybe once he realized that wasn't the case, he decided that he'd had enough.
I know what Nutt did was probably the same, but I wasn't alive. It is hard for me to get mad at a person who made a decision before I was born going off what people tell me. I have to go by other people's opinion so I just don't worry about it.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
Quote from: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:30:19 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
For a man who claims to love Arkansas, the University and the Razorbacks as much and as often as Numb Nutts does he sure didn't show it when he bolted to OKIE STATE.
Quote from: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 08:40:01 am
I would not call 10-4 mediocre.
No, it's the one good season that comes every 3 to 5 years with Nutt. 10-4 will be about as good as it gets.
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
The Nutt and Mustain transfers are very different factually. Nutt was a drop-back passer when he came to Arkansas. At that time, that is the offense they ran. Mid-career, a new coaching staff with an option style came in. Nutt knew he wasn't suited for that style and gracefully, and with regret, transferred. The present day situation is different. Yes, there may have been some expectations of a pending change in the offensive direction, but surely no person in their right mind thought the offense would convert to the HUNH spread overnight. Does no one remember the changes in the offense this year, i.e. Wildcat? Does no one remember Malzahn saying that they are adding something new to the offense each week? Does no one remember Malzahn saying that once he got on campus and saw McFadden, Jones and Hillis that he agreed that they had to be the focus? Rome wasn't built in a day. An entire offensive scheme can't be installed in a few weeks. I happen to believe that we were eventually going to see a more wide open attack, but first, we needed to focus on our strengths, get in the right personnell , and let them mature.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 17, 2007, 09:36:54 am
Quote from: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 08:40:01 am
I would not call 10-4 mediocre.
No, it's the one good season that comes every 3 to 5 years with Nutt. 10-4 will be about as good as it gets.
10-4 is mediocre when the 4 losses are to the best 4 teams on the sched. The only quality win this year was Auburn. Tennessee was average. All four of the Losses were to teams that finised in the top 6. Does that mean we played well, like the Nutt Huggers say or does it mean that we can't consistently win the big games against quality teams.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).
Marginal contributions, uh, yeah, right. Unless of course, you consider the Bama game, where Mustain passed to Cleveland to win the game and propel the Hogs to 10 consecutive victories. But enough of that.
I was never big on the Springdale boys, if I couldn't only have had one, it would have been DWilliams, but, would take all of them. Truth is, Nutt missed the boat by going after Mitch, it was common knowledge Mallet would not be a Hog if Mustain was, a high school junior(Mallet) was smart enough to see this for what it was. I bet Mallet is better than Mitch. Nutt blew it. Malzahn was the most important addition in the off season, 4-7 & 5-6 to 10-4, and EGONutt wants to demote him, unbelievable, what a self absorbed loser. Time to clean house, fire Frank and Nutt and staff.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:13:59 am
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:44:36 am
Quote from: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.
Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.
That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!
So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback? Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?
I recall the Nutt transfer to OSU very well since I was at the U of A at the time. Essentially, he was encouraged to transfer. Sure, it was his final decision and he wasn't "cut" but he was told that the new offense wouldn't involve drop-back passing and since he was not an option QB, his playing time would be minimal, if any at all. I recall that it was all done gracefully and with class by all parties. That's a far cry from a freshman coming in and expecting the program to change to meet his personal desires. He should have given it at least through the spring to see what the prospects of change were going to be. Let's face it, the offense only began to focus on McFadden and Jones after they started performing. Any coach knows that you go with your strength. If Mustain had performed to a higher level, I firmly believe that the coaching staff would have exploited that strength as well. But, when your best receivers are the other team's defensive backs, that's not performance. I do believe that Mustain has great talent but is just a little mixed up right now. I wish he had given him a semester away from his HS coach to see just what he could have done. I think he would have been surprised at his maturity and what he could have accomplished as a team player.
QuoteThe Nutt and Mustain transfers are very different factually. Nutt was a drop-back passer when he came to Arkansas. At that time, that is the offense they ran. Mid-career, a new coaching staff with an option style came in. Nutt knew he wasn't suited for that style and gracefully, and with regret, transferred. The present day situation is different.
The only difference is the way the player is perceived upon transferring. Nutt transferred because the incoming offense didn't fit his strengths. Mustain is transferring because the offense he was brought in to run will never be in Fayetteville under the current coaching staff.
QuoteYes, there may have been some expectations of a pending change in the offensive direction, but surely no person in their right mind thought the offense would convert to the HUNH spread overnight.
An offensive coordinator's job is to install
his offense. Malzahn wasn't allowed to run his offense. He had little to no control at all of the offense. He would have never been given the opportunity to run his offense. For an example, look at Rice. They were typical cellar-dwellers in the WAC. They brought in a new coaching staff, who installed a spread offense 'overnight', and they went to a bowl this season. Why? Because Applewhite was allowed to install and run
his offense.
QuoteI happen to believe that we were eventually going to see a more wide open attack
This was never going to happen. Malzahn was a decoy from the beginning.
Quote from: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:30:19 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
I am sure most don't really care anymore because that is not the situation at hand.
Once again, I don't mind that Mustain is leaving. I wish him the best of luck. I have not bashed him once for his decision to leave. Everything that I have ever said about him, good or bad, was said during the season too. I am not one of those people who loved him when he was here and not hate him because he is gone.
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 08:27:48 am
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 11:25:04 pm
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:11:57 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa boards.
To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.
Enough said.
It scares me that guys like you are protecting our country.
Just because they won't be here forever means that we have to find other options right now? When they leave we will likely get another high profile RB or two and continue our power running game. We will surely get a better QB than we have now and be able to pass a little bit.
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU !
Father Guido, Casey Dick had a pretty good senior season. He had an injury towards the end of his season missing the last two games and still passed for 1900+ yards. He was being recruited by Houston, Texas Tech, SMU and TCU. Did we have a big press conference for anyone prior to the Springdale crews arrival? In case you were wondering it is called Marketing.
I have no contention with his reason for transferring. He transferred because that was in his best interest. My rebuttal was in response to those who say these kids were never true Razorbacks because they are looking out for their best interests. The same people who ignore the fact that Nutt did the same thing. It's a duplicitous stance. Whether it was graceful or classy is irrelevant.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 10:00:34 am
Quote from: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:30:19 am
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play? After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
I am sure most don't really care anymore because that is not the situation at hand.
Once again, I don't mind that Mustain is leaving. I wish him the best of luck. I have not bashed him once for his decision to leave. Everything that I have ever said about him, good or bad, was said during the season too. I am not one of those people who loved him when he was here and not hate him because he is gone.
I couldn't agree more. The truth is that every person, whether coach or player, has to make a decision they can live with, not what others want. I said from day one on this and other message boards that Mustain would never live up to the hype. He was an outstanding HS QB that had an equally outstanding supporting cast. His team's success during his junior and senior years made the difference in his getting national recognition. What if he had had the same talent and coach, but his team went 7-3 and lost in the first round of the playoffs in his senior year or, worse yet, 5-5 and didn't even make the playoffs. Would he have been as widely recognized. I doubt it. But, we piled so much pressure on this kid, something had to break. When he didn't play up to expectations, then the blame had to go somewhere. Could it be possible that the coaches, including coach Nutt and coach Wood, only realized that he had marginal SEC talent after he got to campus? After all, he wouldn't be the first player ever recruited that didn't live up to his hype. Why then are we making such a big deal over this? I recall Gary Brashears who went to the U of A with similar hype. He couldn't live up to it and then transferred. If I recall, he went to Tulsa even. I'm not even sure he stuck there and something in my memory recalls that he finished at a Div-II school or lower.
So, let's put aside the hype. What is done is done. Let's wish all parties success and get on with getting a team ready for next year. I will be a big one with possibly a first-ever Heisman winner, and who knows, with a couple of breaks in a couple of games, a team playing for a national championship.
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 08:03:02 am
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
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Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 08:30:34 am
How is it different? Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths. Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.
So MM isn't physically capable or running Nutt's offense? Yes MM probably would put up better numbers running Gus's offense but If Clint Storner can set all the passing records at UA then surely All Everything MM could have! I was around when Nutt played he had a decent arm good release foot speed was a problem asking a slow white kid to run the option in the SWC was crazy! Holtz wasn't going to change his offense because of some hot shot QB ...hmmmm sounds familiar so Nutt transferred for 2 reasons playing time and safety he would have got killed running the option!
Quote from: Lions84 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:42 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU !
As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.
develop't develope players or a passing game and HE was a college D-1 QB? Proof Nutt stinks.
The Right Reverend Nutt as ESPN calls him is now proven to be a LIAR!
10-4 is subpar when if Nutt had let Gus do his job we would have been 12-2 0r 13-1 It was the HOGS not the Gators that should have been playing for the NC till NUTT scuttled the ship!
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 10:14:41 am
So MM isn't physically capable or running Nutt's offense?
I would be capable of running Nutt's offense. It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.
QuoteYes MM probably would put up better numbers running Gus's offense but If Clint Storner can set all the passing records at UA then surely All Everything MM could have!
Stoerner called a lot of audibles out of bad running plays to take advantages of mismatches he saw in the secondary. Again, Nutt's offense is run-oriented. Mitch's strength is throwing the ball around. He is a product of a spread system, which will never be implemented at Arkansas while Houston Nutt is the head coach.
QuoteI was around when Nutt played he had a decent arm good release foot speed was a problem asking a slow white kid to run the option in the SWC was crazy! Holtz wasn't going to change his offense because of some hot shot QB ...hmmmm sounds familiar
If Malzahn was really the offensive coordinator, and not just a figurehead, it would have been Malzahn's offense, not Houston Nutt's offense that Malzahn allegedly called plays for.
Quoteso Nutt transferred for 2 reasons playing time and safety he would have got killed running the option!
LOL. ;D
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
Quote from: Lions84 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:42 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU !
As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.
It's not different. Nutt transferred because he was looking out for his best interests. Mustain will transfer because he's looking out for his best interests. The reasons why are irrelevant.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
Quote from: Lions84 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:42 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU !
As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.
That was my next point Nutt was going to ride the pine If MM couldn't beat out Casey Dick, ROJO and a couple of walkons running a simple offense is he really as good as everyone says?? MM was never told he didn't have a shot of playing! Holtz, remember this was a different era, he basically told Nutt it was best for him to leave cause you ain't gonna cut it running my offense! Nothing mean or political about it that how it was done back in the day!Probably why Nutt was allowed to GA after his career at OSU so easily!
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 08:28:36 am
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.
I believe DJ Williams is his name.
QuoteIf MM couldn't beat out Casey Dick, ROJO and a couple of walkons running a simple offense is he really as good as everyone says??
We'll never know. As I said, Mustain is a product of a spread system, and the current offense at the U of A doesn't fit what he is accustomed to. Now that Malzahn is gone, he'll never be a good fit. I will agree that he probably isn't as good as what he was hyped to be, but again, it goes back to the offense he ran in high school. It's a lot easier to mask any deficiencies with a spread offense.
Quote from: youthguy on January 17, 2007, 10:31:48 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 08:28:36 am
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.
I believe DJ Williams is his name.
...and he is not "all that." Ben Cleveland is a lot better than him.
Quote from: Bruin dude on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
I will agree MM could throw the ball, the problem is it was to the wrong team and really at the wrong times. A couple of Dick's INT's were at the end of quarters and halfs and was just long throws down field. By MM, good luck at Tulsa or where ever your Mom can speak for you.
The Razorback Nation is in disaray right now, but it will all be okay! Just give it a chance to work out the cancer.
Your crazy if you think that Arkansas should have beaten Florida. We could have beaten them yes, but it would have taken a super effort. Just a good one would have not even gotten it done. Same goes for LSU. I don't know what was Malazahn and what wasn't. We sure did not pass it anymore than any other year. The wildcat could have been Nutt's doing, it was just another way to run the football, and show a lack of confidence in our quarterback. We put points on the board this year. I would say special teams were our downfall.
You guys obviously didn't ask DJ's momma who was best. haha. Seriously, I don't even know where the guy is from, I just heard Rick Schaffer talking about him and his opinion is that DJ is the real deal and so good that throwing to the tight end will happen.
DJ is from CAC. IMHO, he is too small to play the TE position in D1 football. He is a very athletic young man, though.
He is from CAC, I believe. And he did some great things there...I just don't think is as good as Ben Cleveland. That is my opinion.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.
Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 09:33:00 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
OK. "YOU THINK". Of course AD's at other schools keep Coach Nutt on the "short list". Good thing you do not make a living being a Athletic Director!
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 05:17:25 am
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end. 235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL. The key is most TE's can't block below about 260. It's technique, not size. Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch. I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:10:52 pm
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 09:33:00 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
OK. "YOU THINK". Of course AD's at other schools keep Coach Nutt on the "short list". Good thing you do not make a living being a Athletic Director!
Yes, it is a good thing. I'm very thankful that I'm not an Athletic Director who keeps Houston Nutt on my short list of coaching candidates. If I were, and I eventually hired him, I wouldn't have a job very long. Unless that school is Arkansas.
Here, I'll fix that quote for you:
"True,
but I'm 100% sure you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage."
Quote from: Bruin dude on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Nutt was there 1 season, and has been gone along time, long enough for the next guy to get his recruits ad put in his system. NOt really a good comparison.
I am amazed at how many people know just what was said by who and to whom and who was lying and who was not.
The UA program was good before GM and MM and BC and it will continue to be. Every coach ever at UA suffered some losing seasons I believe. Nutts record is about the same overall as the rest of em.
Problem is you all hung you hat on a bunch of freshmen and a high school coach. Even if that was a good selection you should have, and they should have expected it to be a work in progress. NO their prima donna attitude was too mcuh for that. Now they can go prove themselves somewhere else. IF THEY CAN.
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 12:13:28 pm
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 05:17:25 am
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end. 235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL. The key is most TE's can't block below about 260. It's technique, not size. Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch. I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there. Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair. Add MM adn make it a threesome.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 12:10:28 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.
Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
If he played in that game, it had to be in the end in a mop-up role. Ron Calcagni was the starter and only threw 11 or 12 passes himself for something less than 100 yards. We beat Oklahoma 31-6 by running over them. Roland Sales had over 200 yards in that game. With a great running game, you don't have to throw 35 times a game.
Quote from: exorcist on January 17, 2007, 12:41:02 pm
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there. Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair. Add MM adn make it a threesome.
Not to be rude, but what part of your backside are you pulling this stuff from?
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Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 12:13:28 pm
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 05:17:25 am
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end. 235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL. The key is most TE's can't block below about 260. It's technique, not size. Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch. I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there. Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair. Add MM adn make it a threesome.
I hope he does leave. He should.
Bottom line. If you want a elite coach who will stay, you had better fork out the bucks like Alabama did. They took a leap of faith. Arkansas will not do that, so for the money Houston Dale will do.
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach. Anyone have that handy?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 12:42:57 pm
Quote from: exorcist on January 17, 2007, 12:41:02 pm
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there. Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair. Add MM adn make it a threesome.
Not to be rude, but what part of your backside are you pulling this stuff from?
The same part that their mommys' are most likely still putting powder on for them.
They have not exhibited mental or physical toughness at the college level. where? When? Cleveland is not a great college blocking TE, watch a game film. MM and BC , well look at it this way, kids are products of their parents. Who made the journey to see Frank to complain on the behalf of their sons? Maybe the parents should play on their behalf as well.
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Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
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What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
Model athletic program? You need to get out of the state more. I'm sure the people in Columbus, South Bend, Ann Arbor, Coral Gables, Austin, Pasadena are doing okay. Notice I didn't have to mention the SCHOOL name for you to know who I was talking about. If you asked someone not from here what they thought about the athletic program in Fayetteville. The answer would be "What university is in Fayetteville, NC"? Think about it. Regional, tier 2 program at best. Of course it's the best, AND ONLY, program Frank has built.
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post. And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls. Which game was that?
There can only be so many Tier 1 programs and undefeated or one loss teams every year. We are not one of them. For every win somebody has to lose.
Bottom line. If you want a elite coach who will stay, you had better fork out the bucks like Alabama did. They took a leap of faith. Arkansas will not do that, so for the money Houston Dale will do.ery year. We are not one of them. Somebody has to lose for every win.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 01:24:11 pm
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post. And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls. Which game was that?
I remember one he caught to win the Alabama game, thrown by MM. He was/is a good college TE. Maybe not great. To me, Damien was the big loss of anything we've seen the past 6 weeks. He was the guy we needed to keep.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
As moderators, I think we should have sensors built into the boards that automatically delete idiotic posts like this one.
That was THEN, this is NOW.
How many of the BCS Bowl Teams won their games by putting it on the ground as much as we did. Florida threw hardly any downfield passes. They carved up OSU's defense with short and concise pass plays that took advantage of their personnel. Urban Meyer didn't win with his player's he won with Zook's, that being said, you don't always need YOUR type of players to run the offense efficient enough to win a NATIONAL title. We brought in a truckload of receivers last year for? You most certainly don't think we recruited them to run that terrible pass game last year. Gus' offense doesn't take a genius to run either. I've said a number of times he had about 25 plays that could be ran in various formations. He knows not to abandon our bread and butter, so why would he? He was hired to install his offense and add a needed pass offense. Mustain struggled under center but improved as the season progressed. How many times must you see his first drive against USC to know that Gus' offense was what he was most comfortable in. You don't bring a dropback passer in to hand the ball off, or at least in other schools. Casey Dick was a dropback passer also and showed promise his freshman season. No dropback passer could be successful in Nutt's system, that's why Clark,Jackson, and Barthel transferred. Stoerner was a product of Ferguson's and Nutt fired him when he was beginning to get some credit for developing Clint. Nutt doesn't like being out of the spotlight. Face it, he's a liar, joke, and a motivator->terrible excuse for a d-1 coach. When our progam is committed to winning like, let's say Alabama..They went ALL out to get Nick Saban, a proven winner. Has Nutt proved he can win? Not even a SEC Championship..He's the longest tenured coach in the SEC and has nothing to show for it. Open your eyes Razorback faithful, we won't win under him..Get committed to winning..Then maybe we could win a National Championship
Quote from: exorcist on January 17, 2007, 01:15:10 pm
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach. Anyone have that handy?
I don't know his records at other schools, but I believe he is 68-43 at Arkansas which is a .620 percentage. That compares to .680 for Nick Saban at his two college stops. I think Saban is something like 84-40. Take away the two post-NCAA investigation years (which Nutt had nothing to do with but had to pay the penalties with loss of scholarships, recruit contact and visits) and his win percentage jumps to .670. That compares with .740 for Holtz, .770 for Hatfield (anyone want him back?), .720 for Broyles, .470 for Ford and .380 for Crowe.
Certainly, not the coach with the best record, but far from the worst.
Lets Run the wishbone! Johnson at QB, with Hillis, Jones and D-Mac in the Bone! Its worth a try!
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate. I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University. Anybody can be a fan, but not all support. How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself? I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife. I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support. Hopefully we'll see. How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?
While Saban did win a championship at LSU, in his two college stops he 124 games to 111 for Nutt at Arkansas. With 13 more games, he only has 16 more wins. Win percentage-wise, Houston is only .060 behind him.
I would be capable of running Nutt's offense. It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had. If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it. Who proved they could throw it 'Nole? We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:29:30 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate. I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University. Anybody can be a fan, but not all support. How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself? I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife. I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support. Hopefully we'll see. How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?
All of the above for many years and many more to come, except for the kids in school. My two, over my objection but with my support, chose to go elsewhere.
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:34:49 pm
I would be capable of running Nutt's offense. It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had. If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it. Who proved they could throw it 'Nole? We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.
Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:35:45 pm
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:29:30 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate. I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University. Anybody can be a fan, but not all support. How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself? I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife. I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support. Hopefully we'll see. How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?
All of the above for many years and many more to come, except for the kids in school. My two, over my objection but with my support, chose to go elsewhere.
Financially, I could not attend UA although I wanted to. Fortunately, my oldest daughter is there now. Hopefully #2 will attend as well. Like you, my support will continue.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:38:33 pm
If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.
...and if you can't, then lose 4 consecutive games to end the season.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 12:41:28 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 12:10:28 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.
Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
If he played in that game, it had to be in the end in a mop-up role. Ron Calcagni was the starter and only threw 11 or 12 passes himself for something less than 100 yards. We beat Oklahoma 31-6 by running over them. Roland Sales had over 200 yards in that game. With a great running game, you don't have to throw 35 times a game.
He played in the first half when the game was either 7-0 or 14-0. He was nothing short of embarrassing.
Quote from: fridaynightfan on January 17, 2007, 12:36:37 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 12:10:28 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.
Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
You didn't see much of HDN in the 78 Orange Bowl as starter Ron Calcagni played most of the game,
Right, because he was horrible. Calcagni was a junior and this was his first year to start. Nutt was not even capable of being 4th string that year. If Calcagni would have been injured, Arkansas would not have won 3 games.
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:34:49 pm
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had. If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it. Who proved they could throw it 'Nole? We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.
That's my point - Nutt's offense is so one-dimensional, anyone could play QB. The problem is, it would be hard for anyone to pass in Nutt's system. It's hard to find an open receiver when there's only one, maybe two guys that run routes. So, to answer your question, nobody proved they could throw it. In fact, I don't think any passing QB could excel in that offense in its current state. You can point to Stoerner, but he called A LOT of audibles, and remember, Arkansas' running game wasn't what it is today, so the coaches had to be more creative in the passing game. Now, they are so spoiled by the running game, it's almost as if they have forgotten about developing a passing game.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:38:33 pm
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:34:49 pm
I would be capable of running Nutt's offense. It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had. If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it. Who proved they could throw it 'Nole? We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.
Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.
Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 03:00:50 pm
Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.
Ironically, Royal's team had the QB with the 5th highest passer rating in the country last season as well as tying the D-1 recording for passing TDs by a Freshman.
You've got to have a passing game.
Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight, er, discussion. My money goes to FSU. Before anyone decides to chastise me for not being loyal to my state, understand that I have my reasons, and they center around a good deed done by Mr. Bowden.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 03:00:50 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:38:33 pm
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:34:49 pm
I would be capable of running Nutt's offense. It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had. If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it. Who proved they could throw it 'Nole? We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.
Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.
Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.
I was at a dinner where Holtz was the speaker (the most entertaining I have ever heard by the way) and he made that statement during the Q & A when someone asked him why he didn't pass more. He may have given Royal the credit for the statement but I don't recall him giving such credit. At any rate, the coach with the second highest winning percentage in modern Razorback history (maybe of all time but I haven't checked the pre-Broyles days) favored the run. By the way, the coach with the highest winning percentage - Ken Hatfield. Talk about a running coach. Hey, maybe those professional talking heads on NFL football broadcasts really know what they are talking about when they say that without a running game, you can't win the big one!
Quit downing Mustain. He never lost a game in the SEC, that speaks for somethin. I would leave to if Nutts gonna lie to Malzahn and the other springdale guys about just to get him there.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:29:25 am
Find a new team, no way.
This is my program. This is our program.
This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches. I will never abandon it.
What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.
What can we do to really make our voices heard? Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done. Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known? Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?
This kid was so overhyped it was ridiculous!! My grandmother can throw a 5yd hitch to Damien Williams and watch him run! I have never in my life heard of someone cry so much! He is worse than Gary Brashears!! I wouldn't be suprised if a school a will decline his transfer. And for Damien Williams.... He can't catch the ball if it stuck in his face mask. I lost count of how many footballs the kid dropped in crucial situations! The only one from the bunch that I am impressed with is Cleveland! I think we should focus more on recruiting Little Rock! Just take a look at the kids that we have on the team that is starting from the ROCK! I say the heck with the little rich kids from Northwest Ark. and get some athletes from the ROCK! I strongly would consider A.J. WHITMORE TO REPLACE MUSTAIN (NASHVILLE-2-TIME DEFENDING STATE CHAMPION)... THE KID IS INCREDIBLE WITH THE FOOTBALL IN HIS HANDS! I DON'T CARE WHAT HIS HEIGHT IS... YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE SIZE OF THE KIDS HEART!!!!! SOMETHING MUSTAIN LACKS THERE OF!!
I hear they are going to move some more games to Little Rock so they can be classified as sellouts?
Quote from: HeadHunter24 on January 17, 2007, 04:44:22 pm
This kid was so overhyped it was ridiculous!! My grandmother can throw a 5yd hitch to Damien Williams and watch him run! I have never in my life heard of someone cry so much! He is worse than Gary Brashears!! I wouldn't be suprised if a school a will decline his transfer. And for Damien Williams.... He can't catch the ball if it stuck in his face mask. I lost count of how many footballs the kid dropped in crucial situations! The only one from the bunch that I am impressed with is Cleveland! I think we should focus more on recruiting Little Rock! Just take a look at the kids that we have on the team that is starting from the ROCK! I say the heck with the little rich kids from Northwest Ark. and get some athletes from the ROCK! I strongly would consider A.J. WHITMORE TO REPLACE MUSTAIN (NASHVILLE-2-TIME DEFENDING STATE CHAMPION)... THE KID IS INCREDIBLE WITH THE FOOTBALL IN HIS HANDS! I DON'T CARE WHAT HIS HEIGHT IS... YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE SIZE OF THE KIDS HEART!!!!! SOMETHING MUSTAIN LACKS THERE OF!!
By the way, I'll bet Mustain is enjoying the swag he got for playing in the Cap One bowl. I wonder if he will give the SEC ring back or show it off at his new school? I know he didn't leave until Malzahn left, but he knew before the bowl game (and all of its lucious gifts) that the Hogs weren't switching to the HUNH. But, he stayed anyway. Wonder why?
My money will go to UA when I actually see the class list, grade points, and degree completions of any of the superstars such as McFadden etc.
Well since no one in the state has the balls to fire HDN or JFB and won't then if you would, like all of you that are "done" with Razorback Football, IM me I would like to get better seats for next years football season,
Have Fun and Go Hogs!!!
One more thing....Free at last...Free at last thank coach Nutt and Broyles we are free of the Springdale curse and crap at last!!!!
I hope we never go through another mess like this again!!
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 17, 2007, 04:54:36 pm
Well since no one in the state has the balls to fire HDN or JFB and won't then if you would, like all of you that are "done" with Razorback Football, IM me I would like to get better seats for next years football season,
Have Fun and Go Hogs!!!
One more thing....Free at last...Free at last thank coach Nutt and Broyles we are free of the Springdale curse and crap at last!!!!
I hope we never go through another mess like this again!!
I've been saying all along that I expect to improve in seating next year with all of these naysayers leaving. I'm hoping to move maybe two sections over!!
YOU HAVE TO BE A IDIOT TO WANT TO RUN A HUNH WHEN YOU HAVE DARREN MCFADDEN AND FELIX JONES.... HECK, I CAN QB THE TEAM! I AM 100% SURE I CAN HAND OFF TO THOSE TWO AND THROW THE BALL TO HILLIS IN THE FLATS! I HAVE NEVER PLAYED QB BUT I CAN REALLY SEE MYSELF COMPLETING PASSES!! LETS GET REAL... WE HAVE THE BEST TWO RUNNING BACKS IN THE COUNTRY... THE BEST FULLBACK IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND A 6'6 FREAK AS A WIDE RECIEVER!!! WHY IN THE heck DO WE NEED MITCH MUSTAIN... OR GUS MUSTAIN! YEA I SAID IT... I THINK GUS IS MITCH'S DADA!
Cast all your bias aside and honestly project Mitch's level of success.
I heard Nick Saban is looking at him. ;D
I say he goes to TULSA....SS
Go Scrappers
You know that may not be a bad idea. Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance. I hope he looks at that one seriously. I also know at point ND was looking at him. I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer. The net is ND doesn't need Mitch.
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 05:41:41 pm
You know that may not be a bad idea. Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance. I hope he looks at that one seriously. I also know at point ND was looking at him. I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer. The net is ND doesn't need Mitch.
Yea, if he went to Bama he could play in that "2007 National Championship" against Arkansas like you said.
To make it worth the effort, I hope that he shoots for a major D-1. JMO, but going to Tulsa is not far enough away. He needs to cut the strings and get farther away from his former home base. Clear his head and focus on school and football. I'm not slamming his mom, but he needs to get off alone and get to work.
Mitch M. has the spot light shinning on him BOTTOM LINE.
He has the support of all SEC teams..........and they are L.O.L.
LSU.....Tenn.......Texas.........Tulsa?
These Teams will coach this boy with a Disciplined Team and leadership at every step.
Walk in his shoes before you stab him in the back. ;)
Ok now we're just getting ridiculous ... we're losing sight of the main issue here. Next year we will have the two best backs in the nation, bar none! No our offense shouldn't change, tweak maybe, change NO. But in two years we will have to rely on something else. That's where Mustain and Malzahn could have shined, been the saviours, but they are in the mindset of "we want it now". Two years for not only them to accustom themselves with the speed of the SEC but for the TEAM to pick up on the offense. But like I said, they wanted it here and now. And with the 2 RB's we had, no one in their right mind would switch.
As for the three, they really lost all sense of TEAM when their parents showed up at Broyles office ... whether they wanted them to come or not, it really looked bad, and opened themselves up to all sorts of ridicule. In the end they had no choice but to leave really.
KFMS reported tonight that he has been contacted by the new Louisville coach, Oklahoma, and of course he is looking into Tulsa.
I agree with Forked Tongue here. This whole deal is a mess and he is in the center of it like it or not. Mom didn't help anything.
Here is a kid who wanted to be a Hog all his life, then becomes the #1 rated high school QB in the country,...get the chance to go to U of A and play under his High School coach, and learn from a former NFL OC,... becomes the started, mainly by default, but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience. ...and then everybody blames him for the whole situation and calls him a whiner because he is confused about his role.
The fact that if he transfers to another D-1 school he will have to sit for a year is probably a blessing.
No Cleveland is the one we need .. Damien cut his routes short, only ran them hard if he was to be thrown the ball, and dropped too many passes, see SEC Championship game as prime example !
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 06:01:04 pm
Oklahoma
After seeing what Stoops did with Hybl, White and Thompson, there will be a lot of people eating crow over Mustain if this actually happens.
So he's gotta sit ... why couldnt he sit at Arkansas? Just doesnt make sense, in two years he could have been an icon at Arkansas, if he'd played his cards right.
Louisville is an interesting development. Timing and style of play both seem to be good. Not sure how much of the Louisville style the new coach wil do, but obviously a fit in theory. Just far enough away to.....
Can you imagine the coaches out there not believing the possiblities that they might have a Parade All-American that's on the rebound? I bet there are more that want a shot to reserect MM's career. BUt it's really up to MM. It starts with a good choice and then an all out devotion to whatever develops to wherever he goes....
Ben will stay and he will do good.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 05:44:06 pm
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 05:41:41 pm
You know that may not be a bad idea. Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance. I hope he looks at that one seriously. I also know at point ND was looking at him. I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer. The net is ND doesn't need Mitch.
Yea, if he went to Bama he could play in that "2007 National Championship" against Arkansas like you said.
??? Not sure I ever said that. I will tell you that Alabama will play for a national title before Arkansas will. Another one is Gus Malzahn will be on the staff (not a Tulsa, down the road) of a national champion before Nutt will be. And Saban will have a better record than Nutt over the next two years. Write it down.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 06:08:25 pm
So he's gotta sit ... why couldnt he sit at Arkansas? Just doesnt make sense, in two years he could have been an icon at Arkansas, if he'd played his cards right.
He doesn't waste a year of eligibility sitting somewhere else.
I don't think his long term goal is to be an icon at Arkansas. The NFL doesn't take QBs whose coaches won't start them ahead of Casey Dick.
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 06:01:04 pm
KFMS reported tonight that he has been contacted by the new Louisville coach, Oklahoma, and of course he is looking into Tulsa.
I agree with Forked Tongue here. This whole deal is a mess and he is in the center of it like it or not. Mom didn't help anything.
Here is a kid who wanted to be a Hog all his life, then becomes the #1 rated high school QB in the country,...get the chance to go to U of A and play under his High School coach, and learn from a former NFL OC,... becomes the started, mainly by default, but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience. ...and then everybody blames him for the whole situation and calls him a whiner because he is confused about his role.
The fact that if he transfers to another D-1 school he will have to sit for a year is probably a blessing.
You make it sound like the one interception was why he got benched. It was his sorry performances before the SC game that helped contribute to his benching too. He hadn't won all of those games because of him. He won them because of our D and Darren/Felix. In 11 games Mitch had 10 TDs and 9 Interceptions. He was only averaging about 81 yards a game.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 06:18:17 pm
Fox Sports Net just reported that he will follow Malzahn to Tulsa.
His life. But to me it's a mistake. Good luck either way.
MM will do good at a minor college!
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Quote from: SavedByHim on January 17, 2007, 06:25:34 pm
MM will do good at a minor college
It's a team sport. He'll do as good as his other players perform and his coaches coach. Not to mention, the level of competition and their performance.
Some may read that as a backhand, but it's not. A lot of the problem with this entire mess is the "me" attitude of some of the people involved. A football is more than the QB............but a good one sure does help.
8-0 so far.
He'll end up where Daddy Malzahn tells him to go...Tulsa
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 06:18:17 pm
Fox Sports Net just reported that he will follow Malzahn to Tulsa.
He is taking a visit to OU, so Fox sports is obviously just projecting him at Tulsa.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 06:24:04 pm
It is good to see the Seniors step up and show some leadership.
That is a load of Bull! No Leaders and No discipline!=====HDN!
If Hawaii junior quarterback Colt Brennan declares for the NFL draft. Mitch should go to Hawaii.
;D ;D His type of offense and BEAUTIFUL WEATHER and BEAUTIFUL BEACHES ;D ;D
and he can throw the ball to fellow NWA resident Eric Shaffer
Got a bias there 5-0?
Any chance of Tennessee where Cutcliffe is the OC. Didn't Mustain look at ND because Cutcliffe was hired at ND but had to quit due to his wife's health?
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 06:49:03 pm
Got a bias there 5-0?
Hey it would be a good fit.
Heck I sent my 14 Year old to Hawaii's Baseball camp last summer. ;D ;D
is that too bias ;D
I know Fox Sports has reported he will go to Tulsa...but Im hearing that Mike Irwin is reporting he will sign with OU tomorrow.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 17, 2007, 07:53:20 pm
I know Fox Sports has reported he will go to Tulsa...but Im hearing that Mike Irwin is reporting he will sign with OU tomorrow.
I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 07:57:04 pm
I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?
No, but they tend to adjust to their talent at the QB position.
He's reporting that he'll visit tomorrow. A little different. Be careful.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:04:33 pm
He's reporting that he'll visit tomorrow. A little different. Be careful.
I think it's all up in the air at this point. Until he makes it official it's all just speculation.
:'( :'( :'(
Say it ain't so.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 07:26:10 pm
Did you miss the press conference held by the Seniors to be today.
Just think how all these other guys feel. Think about what Monk said, he said Mitch did a good job, but he has to EARN his position every day. They also said, they wanted to get rid of "ALL PREMODONAS". They didn't name any names, but I can imagine how hacked off they are when they have worked their butt off to bring this program back to national respect and a few disgruntled FRESHMEN are demanding so much.
Like I said, if Nutt promised these s@#$ butt upstarts everything you people from northwest AR. are claiming they were promised, Nutt should be fired.
I don't think Nutt promised all that I have heard. I have not even read anything from the SHS players to lead me to believe that they were promised all that nonsense. Even MM's mom said that they were never told that they would not change too much while D-MAC and Jones was there.
Quote from: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:06:22 pm
:'( :'( :'(
Say it ain't so.
As one OU fan to another...WHAT?
That was a press conference called by HDN. Not the players.
Quote from: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:06:22 pm
:'( :'( :'(
Say it ain't so.
You're friggin kiddin me if you don't think OU won't snatch him up.
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM. If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not. ;D
It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time.
God, I'd pay good money to see how that conversation goes. That is, of course, if the rumor is true.
Quote from: Calvin Coolidge on January 17, 2007, 08:09:38 pm
That was a press conference called by HDN. Not the players.
The players asked for the opportunity to speak. What they said was exactly how I felt, when I played. When I played at ASU, we had over forty freshmen come in my freshman year. Over half of them left after our first year. Why, the same reason these guys are leaving AR. It was not the way they thought it would be. Every recruiter makes it look so glamorous. They don't tell you, you are going to have to work your butt off for a couple of years before you see the benefits. I think MM and DW would not have started for any other team in the SEC other than AR. I have also been told by a source from AR. they never really earned their starting positions. If their is anyone that could verify this, please do.
Quote from: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:15:18 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM. If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not. ;D
He won't play anywhere next year...he sits out one.
Quote from: sportsmom on January 17, 2007, 04:24:53 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:29:25 am
Find a new team, no way.
This is my program. This is our program.
This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches. I will never abandon it.
What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.
What can we do to really make our voices heard? Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done. Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known? Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?
How much do you donate to the program? Do you have season tickets, do you contribute to the Foundation?
If you do have season tickets, cancel them. I might be able to improve my seats.
Will he be demanding that they change their offense to the spread HUNH? I thought that was all he wanted to run.
Oklahoma has discipline and Leadership.
Under HDN Arkansas has neither on of these. This is the truth.
Mustian wants discipline?
Where has his dad been in all of this?
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:23:23 pm
Quote from: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:15:18 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM. If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not. ;D
He won't play anywhere next year...he sits out one.
Oh.........that would be nice.
For those of you on the NCAA investigation train, I have a news flash for you:
Tulsa violated NCAA rules when they offered a job to Gus without first getting permission to speak with him! It's a fact! Gus was unaware of the rule himself(no surprise), but the fact that Tulsa violated it is very odd. The likelihood is that Gus misrepresented it to TU as he scrambled to find a job on a moments notice.
There is no debate about this. It happened!
Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules. He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process. The errors were typcial of a first year college coach. But it shows you that he has a ways to go before he can run a program.
X's and O's he no doubt knows. But there are a lot of great Def Coord's out there as well.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pmIt's a fact!
There is no debate about this. It happened!
Proof?
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pmGus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules. He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.
Proof?
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 08:45:16 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pmIt's a fact!
There is no debate about this. It happened!
Proof?
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pmGus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules. He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.
Proof?
What do you mean proof? Like the man said, there's no debate.
You are correct on this FT.
Quote from: Calvin Coolidge on January 17, 2007, 08:01:43 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 07:57:04 pm
I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?
No, but they tend to adjust to their talent at the QB position.
Correct. Paul Thompson put up better numbers this year than Bomar did last year, but it was in a different offense. Stoops actually knows how to best utilize his talent.
Quote from: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:15:18 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM. If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not. ;D
I don't think Mitchell is the cause of the drama...remember, Bob Stoops is not Houston Nutt (Thank the Good Lord).
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 17, 2007, 08:19:56 pm
It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time.
Oh, Bobby won't put up with any crap for a minute. He'll tell Beck where her place is in a hurry. He kicked the starting QB off the team weeks before the season started on his first offense without a second thought. Rag OU fans all you want about the Switzer Era, but Bob Stoops will not tolerate any lack of discipline.
The real question is whether or not the NCAA will come down on him for it.
No. It's minor. It was okayed after the fact, so it's not an issue. Even if it was it's a slap. I only posted to show that all parties have culpability.
All of us speculate and think we "know" stuff, but when it comes right down to it, we don't know jack. For instance, many say that Houston lied to Malzahn, and the Springdale whiners. But, there have been no specifics given. At least not that I have seen. Was it a direct lie, i.e. You can run the offense you want to and I'll stay out of it, or something more indirect, i.e. We'll work toward opening up the offense where you'll call the plays but I'll have veto? Just like this post. We really don't know that Tulsa didn't ask permission. We really don't know whether or not Malzahn had been let go before Tulsa called. Maybe he called Tulsa looking for a job. Both sides are trying to be professional and we shouldn't speculate about who knew what and when did they know it. You may not like one or more of these guys, but I think they are smart enough to know not to burn any bridges.
NUTT HUGGER
Here is an odd story.
I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham. Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side. Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace. He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.
He ended the conversation with this: "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."
We are not in disagreement. I was simply relaying info. No doubt the Gus wanted out and no doubt if he found a job that Arkansas was goint to let him go. It's a very minor thing, but it's an important rule nonetheless.
We've all heard of the "was given permission to speak" statements. He would have been given permission anyway. No biggie except Gus is not that far removed from high school and he lacks knowledge of certain things that goes with college coaching.
He passed his test when hired, but we all learn on the job.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pm
For those of you on the NCAA investigation train, I have a news flash for you:
Tulsa violated NCAA rules when they offered a job to Gus without first getting permission to speak with him! It's a fact! Gus was unaware of the rule himself(no surprise), but the fact that Tulsa violated it is very odd. The likelihood is that Gus misrepresented it to TU as he scrambled to find a job on a moments notice.
There is no debate about this. It happened!
Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules. He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process. The errors were typcial of a first year college coach. But it shows you that he has a ways to go before he can run a program.
X's and O's he no doubt knows. But there are a lot of great Def Coord's out there as well.
Nutt Lickin Fool! What a load of Bull.....Lawyers.....Fool.
My thing is this, I refuse to be a darksider. Whatever happens, I would rather not be someone who constantly complains. By the same token, I am realist. I am appauled by some of the things are going on up there. And none of what I don't like has to do with rumors. I don't read Hogville because it is 99.9% negativity with an agenda. I enjoyed watching the Razorbacks this year. I enjoy going to the games. It is just a lot of fun. I don't look for things to complain about. I think Gus is very talented and very intelligent. I think he would have been very good for the program. I hated to see him go. I hate it that our fans are so divided on this deal. I don't think there is any quick solution. If Nutt was to leave, it would be extremely difficult to get a coach here that would be productive and be able to bring the fan base together. I am convinced that, for the most part, the people that complained through this season enjoy complaining and will not ever get to a point of continual happiness with the Razorback football program. Complaining has become a hobby for so many people. A hobby that they enjoy and are passionate about. Sure, if Nutt was fired, there would be a lot of people that would get on the band wagon of whoever was brought in just because he wasn't HDN. However, any new love affair will be temporal. It is too much fun and there is too much money to be made by complaining.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 09:00:52 pm
No. It's minor. It was okayed after the fact, so it's not an issue. Even if it was it's a slap. I only posted to show that all parties have culpability.
All programs commit minor violations all the time.
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 01:22:45 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
Quote from: Bruin dude on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
Model athletic program?
YES. A model NCAA program!.
You need to get out of the state more.
I was on the UT Austin campus for 6 hours last week.
I'm sure the people in Columbus, South Bend, Ann Arbor, Coral Gables, Austin, Pasadena are doing okay. Notice I didn't have to mention the SCHOOL name for you to know who I was talking about.
I have been to several of those cities and a couple have facilities that are equal to UAF. But while meeting with school officials whereever I travel each mention how nice Fayetteville is. And yes they usually just say "Fayetteville" in reference to The University of Arkansas.
If you asked someone not from here what they thought about the athletic program in Fayetteville. The answer would be "What university is in Fayetteville, NC"?
Wrong.
Think about it. Regional, tier 2 program at best.
Your silly!
Of course it's the best, AND ONLY, program Frank has built.
And I was making the point that Coach Broyles has built a overall athletic program. Facility, Men, Women, Major and Minor sports. For a small state [3 million] to have such is a wonder! And when you spend 50 years at one school, you can expect only "one" program to be built.
You should get out more!
Quote from: mudturtle on January 17, 2007, 09:08:19 pm
Here is an odd story.
I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham. Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side. Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace. He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.
He ended the conversation with this: "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."
In 5 years, Gus will either be a headcoach at a major college or an NFL offensive coordinator.
Quote from: ahsalum on January 17, 2007, 01:48:39 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
As moderators, I think we should have sensors built into the boards that automatically delete idiotic posts like this one.
My example of what Coach Broyles has built can be summed up with this example. If you walked into a collage English class at "UCA, UALR, ASU, ATU, UAPB, UAM, HSU, Harding, Ouachita, Lyon, John Brown, Miss County CC, Westark, NACC" on Thursday, January 18, 2007 do you know the one thing you would find in common? ANSWER: A person wearing a Razorback! Everyone who is anyone follows the Hogs! That is because of Coach Broyles. Look around and count the people that send their children to a "local school" and send their dollars to the Arkansas Razorback Sporting teams! If you live in the border of Arkansas then the Razorbacks are "Your team". This is a model that folks around the nation use when looking at their programs. If you do not believe that as fact then your very silly!
And you know what else. My example will offend someone. Because they attended collage at a "local school". But- I will wager that if I walked around their house I would find something with a Razorback on it! Or better- Make note that they are on a Razorback chat site!
Quote from: ganglion on January 17, 2007, 08:24:33 pm
Quote from: sportsmom on January 17, 2007, 04:24:53 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:29:25 am
Find a new team, no way.
This is my program. This is our program.
This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches. I will never abandon it.
What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.
What can we do to really make our voices heard? Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done. Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known? Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?
How much do you donate to the program? Do you have season tickets, do you contribute to the Foundation?
If you do have season tickets, cancel them. I might be able to improve my seats.
Good. True. Funny.
Now that's faith. Step out there pantherfan. I think you need to extend your timeline. But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path. He'll need to develop thicker skin.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
Quote from: Bruin dude on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
That AD has built a lot of buildings, stadiums, monuments to himself, etc. He has not built a model program. There is a difference.
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:27:43 pm
Quote from: exorcist on January 17, 2007, 01:15:10 pm
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach. Anyone have that handy?
I don't know his records at other schools, but I believe he is 68-43 at Arkansas which is a .620 percentage. That compares to .680 for Nick Saban at his two college stops. I think Saban is something like 84-40. Take away the two post-NCAA investigation years (which Nutt had nothing to do with but had to pay the penalties with loss of scholarships, recruit contact and visits) and his win percentage jumps to .670. That compares with .740 for Holtz, .770 for Hatfield (anyone want him back?), .720 for Broyles, .470 for Ford and .380 for Crowe.
Certainly, not the coach with the best record, but far from the worst.
Good Post. Should open some eyes and close some mouths [or slow some fingers]. Of course I would bet that several will come here to "cry".
HEY. I like Coach Hatfield! Would watch a Flexbone team again win a Conference Championship and play in a Bowl game.
Quote from: Sack on January 17, 2007, 10:54:58 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
Quote from: Bruin dude on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
Quote from: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What? Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again. Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him. Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
That AD has built a lot of buildings, stadiums, monuments to himself, etc. He has not built a model program. There is a difference.
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 10:54:31 pm
Now that's faith. Step out there pantherfan. I think you need to extend your timeline. But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path. He'll need to develop thicker skin.
He's an offensive genius... Pair that with a few Conference-USA titles and he'll be ready to go. If by developing thick skin you mean he needs to thoughen up then you're wrong... He's handling this all extremely well... Do you realize some of the things people say to him these days? Besides, I'd take him as my head coach right now.
I'm just saying it's tougher than most think. I think he'll have a good career.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 11:01:40 pm
I'm just saying it's tougher than most think. I think he'll have a good career.
And HE'S tougher than most think... He'll have a great career.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pmProfessionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Those professionals must have the world record for fricked up work environment, then.
It is all about Gus, MM and that crew. If it isn't they can't handle it. It wasn't and so they moved on. What ever happened to being a team player? MM never learned it at SD. He got plenty of press and a big head. GM pretty much the same story. Not denying he was a good high school coach, but for now he ain't proved a thing in college. Let's wait and see what happens in Arkansas and Oklahoma next year.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model atheltic track program overall.
Quote from: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:07 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model atheltic track program overall.
So you do not like the way the Baseball program is heading?
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 16, 2007, 12:21:07 pm
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.
some of you need to read this again..some may not have seen it since the threads were all put together
I love the way it's heading, but I loved the way this football season was heading, too. And now where are we at?
There are so many things that can go amiss with his college career. You sound awfully naive, or you just love Gus not matter what. Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good. Well that will be no problem for a genius.
OU visit cancelled. Louisville gaining steam. No decision near. Best to just wait. Irwin reports USC a small shot and a un-named SEC team. (Bama?)
Quote from: endrun on January 17, 2007, 11:11:34 pm
There are so many things that can go amiss with his college career. You sound awfully naive, or you just love Gus not matter what. Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good. Well that will be no problem for a genius.
Read his book... He has a great offensive mind and will do big things...
Quote from: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:09:38 pm
I love the way it's heading, but I loved the way this football season was heading, too. And now where are we at?
I myself am enjoying a 10-4 season, SEC West, Great Bowl and a new OC announced today. Things look bright for the Razorback 2007 Football season.
If you truely belivee this season looks like a success, you are sadly mistaken. We are the red-headed step-child of college football right now.
Quote from: endrun on January 17, 2007, 11:11:34 pm
Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good.
Classic example of speaking when one has no idea of what is speaking about.
The ONLY year that Malzahn ever had superior talent than his competition was in his last year at Springdale. Check your facts before you post.
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Professional wrestlers? Professional psychics?
Quote from: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:27:55 pm
If you truly believe this season looks like a success, you are sadly mistaken. We are the red-headed step-child of college football right now.
After season "cleaning" is occurring all over the Nation. The "saga" is big/bad to us in Arkansas simply because it is "local drama/gossip". The Season was a success, recruitting looks good and the future looks bright. Coach Nutt [and the Razorback team] comes out of this January stronger than last January.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 11:32:41 pm
There were a couple of years at Shiloh when he had better talent, but when he got to Sdale the talent was not as good as it was when he left you are correct
No, he NEVER had superior talent at Shiloh. Maybe in his conference (he played in 1AA, come on) but not across the classification. He might have had better talent at Hughes.
His Shiloh teams went toe-to-toe with both Wynne and Springdale. Year in and year out, Wynne is amoung the most-talented programs in the state across all classifications. Shiloh never was in that league when Malzahn was there.
For all of you disgruntled Foundation Members and Season Ticket holders who aren't renewing next year .. that means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !! So make sure you stay true to your word, parking in front of the Broyles Shrine, I mean complex, would be nice too !!
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 17, 2007, 11:31:17 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Professional wrestlers? Professional psychics?
NCAA, College Leaders, AD's, King Booker, Business Heads, Coaches, Mr. Kennedy, SEC and the Other Conferences, Board of Trustees Members, Television Executives. THOSE TYPES.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 11:16:05 pm
OU visit cancelled. Louisville gaining steam. No decision near. Best to just wait. Irwin reports USC a small shot and a un-named SEC team. (Bama?)
Where did you hear this?
Quote from: invictus on January 17, 2007, 09:05:14 pm
All of us speculate and think we "know" stuff, but when it comes right down to it, we don't know jack. For instance, many say that Houston lied to Malzahn, and the Springdale whiners. But, there have been no specifics given. At least not that I have seen. Was it a direct lie, i.e. You can run the offense you want to and I'll stay out of it, or something more indirect, i.e. We'll work toward opening up the offense where you'll call the plays but I'll have veto? Just like this post. We really don't know that Tulsa didn't ask permission. We really don't know whether or not Malzahn had been let go before Tulsa called. Maybe he called Tulsa looking for a job. Both sides are trying to be professional and we shouldn't speculate about who knew what and when did they know it. You may not like one or more of these guys, but I think they are smart enough to know not to burn any bridges.
That is what I am enjoying right now. All coaches involved are being "business polite". It is over and they are moving on. BUT. The "people" will not have that! There is dirt out there and they all want it. Media types also. "Where is the dirty laundry"?
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 17, 2007, 11:47:54 pm
Did I ever say in the entire state, no, and agreed the only year his SD team had superior talent was his last. But within his system all you need are athletes that understand and can execute it, and a coaching staff that understands and can call in plays rapidly.
That is true
in any system correct? Wishbobe, Wing-T, HUNH, Spread.
Quote from: mudturtle on January 17, 2007, 09:08:19 pm
Here is an odd story.
I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham. Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side. Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace. He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.
He ended the conversation with this: "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."
I will go with the AD's and search committee of Rice and Tulsa before I go with "the man you met today"!
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 17, 2007, 11:31:17 pm
Quote from: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Professional wrestlers? Professional psychics?
Close -- Professional Consultants. Like these two guys:
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Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 18, 2007, 12:00:16 am
Close -- Professional Consultants. Like these two guys:
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I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it, Bob.
Quote from: Prairie_Ar on January 16, 2007, 10:48:30 pm
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job enviroment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)
SURE! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
now what year did Arkansas peak?
Quote from: Ramblin' Man on January 17, 2007, 08:55:35 pm
Oh, Bobby won't put up with any crap for a minute. He'll tell Beck where her place is in a hurry. He kicked the starting QB off the team weeks before the season started on his first offense without a second thought. Rag OU fans all you want about the Switzer Era, but Bob Stoops will not tolerate any lack of discipline.
I've noticed that - I have to ask, where did he learn that? Was Spurrier a big disciplinarian at Florida? You know, as much as I dislike the guy, I have a lot of respect for the way he runs his program.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 17, 2007, 08:19:56 pm
It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time.
Beck would have to be a meddling, interfering parent in the first place for that to happen. She is not.
Mitch Mustain will not be going to Oklahoma.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 11:40:04 pmthat means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !!
Translation:
(http://www.monacaron.com/images/large/titanic-sinking.jpg)
All is well! All is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?
I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.
She is not, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 11:14:23 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:03:52 pm
10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff. When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost. They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost. I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them. My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out. I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA. I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.
It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins". Do you realize how STUPID that statement is? If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?]. Fact is, we did and they did. Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year.
As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares? And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think. Remember Nebraska and Solich? Who was the laughing stock nationwide there? Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games. It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.
I'm glad he's gone too, but not for the same reasons the rest of you are. Everyone has been under a great deal of pressure in the last year or so. Nutt was under pressure to hire an OC and get the S'dale players to sign with the Razorbacks. The players were under pressure by both the media and the fans to become Razorbacks. They have all been under pressure to perform up to our expectations. A lot of us were very quick to jump on that bandwagon, and a lot more have been very quick to criticize and point fingers at the 'momma's boys'. Many of you keep bringing up the meeting with Broyles. You all think that you know exactly what that meeting was about. I submit to you that none of us was there, and no one in the Broyles Complex has said anything to indicate what it was all about. On the other hand, there are sources close to the families that have spoken. Granted, they are going to have at least a bit of a biased opinion, but they shouldn't be completely dismissed because of that. A significant number of people are still insisting that the meeting was about playing time and/or the offense. The above mentioned sources have indicated that it was not about those things at all. It was about the treatment of those freshmen by the coaching staff and the other players. It was also indicated that this was brought to Nutt's attention some time ago, and he did nothing about it. Whether or not you choose to believe this is up to you. I believe that there is at least something to it.
Here's a little something think about: Tier 1 schools - like USC, Florida, Ohio State, etc. - are used to having 4 and 5 star freshmen join the team every year. It is so common to them that fans, local media, returning players and coaches think very little about it. It's normal for them. It's not normal for Arkansas. Fans and the media became so excited when Malzahn and the S'dale players came here - they received a great deal of attention. Now, put yourself in the shoes of the returning players and coaches for a moment. You've been busting your butt for this program, and you find yourself watching these young hotshots getting way more attention than you ever got and being referred to by the media and fans and the 'saviors' of the program. Anyone who says that they wouldn't be at least a little bit resentful over it is a liar. That is a normal human reaction to such circumstances, and unless you make a conscious choice to not let it effect the way you treat those freshmen your resentment will have an effect. Don't misunderstand me - I'm not trying to blame the other players for what has happened. I'm saying that everyone made mistakes, including the media and we, the fans. And yes, as I said in another thread, the ultimate responsibility falls upon Nutt and Broyles as they are the ones at the top. They are the leaders of the program and they could have made better choices along the way.
As for Mustain leaving, maybe now he can focus on being a college QB instead of having to deal with a media circus and disgruntled fans.
QuoteWell, the obvious one would be Robert Johnson, Weston Dacus, Olajabutu...these are guys that put the word TEAM into teammates.
Wanna talk loyalty...Marcus Monk....Skipped out on a possible 2nd round NFL Draft pick to stay at Arkansas. He has TEAM on his mind...I like that fact that the players that are a part of the program and are loyal to the Hog way of life called the press conference yesterday. That should give the fans something to be proud about.
They spend $6000 on shoes trying to make his crying butt happy..yet according to his family..he was shown no attention and done so wrong.
There have been some claims that Mustain didn't have the proper equipment, but during the season, the school went above and beyond trying to accommodate Mustain's shoes needs.
Arkansas is one of the schools under contract to adidas, but Mustain couldn't find a shoe he liked and was comfortable with one produced by Nike. With adidas' blessing, the training staff worked to make the Nike shoe look as generic as possible.
After the Alabama game, adidas flew in a footwear specialist from Portland. He did a so-called sock fitting with an ultra-thin material that adheres to every little bump on a foot. Once that was done, the shape was shipped to Boston where all the rough spots were sanded. Eventually, the mold was sent to the Orient where the shoes are constructed. Adidas sent Arkansas about 10 pairs of the shoes but, after a while, Mustain was back wearing Nike, something he donned for the Capital One Bowl.
Adidas billed Arkansas a little more than $6,000 for the shoes.
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/01/18/HarryKing/339673.html
Im glad they are gone. The hogs will be better without them. plus what did they do anyway. That wildcat formation was the same formation used when matt jones was the QB. So what wa so different about the offense.
That's great.
I needed a good laugh this morning.
I thought girls were supposed to be the ones with the shoe fetish..??
It is true that Nutt tried to talk Mustain out of pursuing his release. "I told him he needed to stay for three months, what's that going to hurt," Nutt said. "What's the hurry?"
He probably thought that Mustain would succeed in spring practice and that all would be fine. Instead, Mustain's mother pushed for the release and 30 minutes later, it was done.
Boy needs to let his balls drop and stand for himself.
Quote from: bobcat on January 18, 2007, 10:23:08 am
That's great.
I needed a good laugh this morning.
I thought girls were supposed to be the ones with the shoe fetish..??
Maybe his first name is Imelda!
People were right..the REAL story is coming out...and honestly..I think Mustains family hurt him and this program more than anyone..it has been reported that Mitch was hacked when his Granny went on air..and I hope he was..if he truly was.I respect him more...but he is a grown man now..he needs to stand up and be a man and quit letting mommy run his life.
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting
11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.
I feel bad that the rest of the guys on the team have to be in the middle of all that drama. I hope they're not as divided as the Razorback fan base. From the way it sounds, they are all on the same page, which is the one and most important bright spot in this situation.
After reading this, I say good riddance. No sane athlete thinks Nike is more comfortable than Adidas. That's just crazy talk.
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 18, 2007, 10:41:29 am
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting
11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.
So it was Arkansas who violated NCAA rules?
Preach!
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 18, 2007, 10:56:48 am
After reading this, I say good riddance. No sane athlete thinks Nike is more comfortable than Adidas. That's just crazy talk.
Thats what Im Talkin 'bout P.I. ;D
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 01:01:21 am
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 11:40:04 pmthat means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !!
Translation:
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All is well! All is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!
whats ya'lls predictions on how this season will look?
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP? That is what next year will be, wait and see. SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Quote from: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 11:30:35 am
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP? That is what next year will be, wait and see. SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Pretty optimistic. Have you gone to rivals.com or any of the other recruitng sites. Look at the score given for recruiting talent to the teams in the SEC you'll have to beat to get there. They are reloading and the hogs are trying to figure out how to stay out of the press. I say 8 wins and the Music City bowl. They lose to Alabama, Tenn, LSU and Auburn.
The team on the whole will have better unity after this mess. They will bond in special ways that people do during trying times. I predict this team next year will be a true team with little distractions besides the normal DUI's and Drug infractions. I mean, even the Democrats and Republicans bonded after 911 and that trying time, so this team will mesh next year and be awesome. One fact remains...we need a QB that will step up and get the job done.
I'm pretty sure that WV's recruiting classes don't even crack the top 40 yet they are able to go out and play/beat anyone. Don't get so caught up in the recruiting numbers that you think if you are ranked 8th that is where you are going to finish. Sometimes you find good players that don't get ranked high and they turn out to be studs. Jamaal Anderson is a perfect example. He was a 2* guy coming out of high school. Think he would be ranked higher now?
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 18, 2007, 11:00:03 am
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 18, 2007, 10:41:29 am
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting
11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.
So it was Arkansas who violated NCAA rules?
Sounds like it to me. This feels like a 5 semi truck investigation for 4 years. Park the trucks right by the stadium. That should do it.
They will beat Alabama and LSU next year. Tenn. and Auburn could be our two losses. We will see, but yes, I am optimistic for this team next year. As a matter of fact I AM EXCITED about this team next year. We do need one good lineman on both sides of the ball and an above average QB. Oh yea, one linebacker and one cover corner is a necessity.
I'm now thinking about ordering tickets for next year. At least I won't be stuck in the endzone.
Interesting that not many are talking now that some truths are coming out about Mustain.....
Quote from: mack on January 18, 2007, 09:09:29 am
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 11:14:23 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:03:52 pm
10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff. When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost. They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost. I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them. My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out. I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA. I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.
It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins". Do you realize how STUPID that statement is? If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?]. Fact is, we did and they did. Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year.
As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares? And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think. Remember Nebraska and Solich? Who was the laughing stock nationwide there? Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games. It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.
Well, you make a good point, but my point was that if you just had Nutt as your coach, he couldn't coach you to winning 10 games without McFadden and Jones. Florida and Texas still would've won 10 games both year I bet because of coaching and talent in the other positions. They probably wouldn't have won NC's but who knows? Good coaches can take average teams to heights they never thought possible. This team had two superior players, well three if you count Anderson, and a bunch of good/above average players. The point is that Nutt wouldn't have won 10 games without McFadden/Jones because of his subpar coaching ability, but that a good coach could have got 10 wins, possibly more out of this bunch without McFadden/Jones. I hope you understand that.
As for Nebraska, I've always hated the school, and I don't care what they do. I'm not saying fire Nutt now after 10 wins, but the fact is that it should have already happened. Oh and of course most of the players are going to say they like Nutt. They may actually like him, but do you think that anyone in their right mind would come out and say they don't like him with all the stuff happening right now?
Quote from: Rebelpride! on January 18, 2007, 11:25:15 am
whats ya'lls predictions on how this season will look?
I think 10 wins are another good possibility, especially with the softer schedule. However, Ole Miss and MSU will be better this year and Kentucky replaces Vanderbilt and they should be good next year. To me, the keys will be the road trips to Alabama, LSU and Tennessee. We need to win 2 of those and that will be tough. If Lee can develop a QB, then we will be good. If Dick or some newcomer doesn't develop, that box could get pretty stacked for McFadden and Jones. Maybe the best thing is Hillis coming back. He really helps with the short passing game. Many have blamed the last three losses on a lot of things, but the absence of Hillis really hurt. I say 10-2 regular season but not likely good enough to get to the championship game. Then, it will be Dallas on New Year's Day.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 01:18:59 pm
Interesting that not many are talking now that some truths are coming out about Mustain.....
Two thoughts:
1.) Of course the hometown writers in Fayetteville are going to cast a negative light on Mustain. Most won't dare report on the bad things the administration and present coaching staff has done. There are people up there who have the power to run these guys out of town if they criticize the program. Look at the Joe Kleine situation for an example. I'm not condoning anything Mitch has said or done, especially if this story is true, but the spin from NWA will always favor the administration.
2.) It doesn't lessen the scope of the bad things done by the administration and coaching staff. Part of the problem has been remedied with what many perceive to be the 'whiners' leaving the program, but the other half is still there. The same people praising Houston now will be calling for his head if Arkansas wins less than 9-10 games next year.
Anything bad Mustain did or said in the past is just that - in the past. He is no longer a member of the Razorbacks, and if fans want to look forward and put this behind them, they should leave past things that way.
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".
Quote from: dc24 on January 18, 2007, 01:21:55 pm
Quote from: mack on January 18, 2007, 09:09:29 am
Quote from: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 11:14:23 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:03:52 pm
10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff. When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost. They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost. I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them. My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out. I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA. I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.
It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins". Do you realize how STUPID that statement is? If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?]. Fact is, we did and they did. Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year.
As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares? And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think. Remember Nebraska and Solich? Who was the laughing stock nationwide there? Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games. It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.
Well, you make a good point, but my point was that if you just had Nutt as your coach, he couldn't coach you to winning 10 games without McFadden and Jones. Florida and Texas still would've won 10 games both year I bet because of coaching and talent in the other positions. They probably wouldn't have won NC's but who knows? Good coaches can take average teams to heights they never thought possible. This team had two superior players, well three if you count Anderson, and a bunch of good/above average players. The point is that Nutt wouldn't have won 10 games without McFadden/Jones because of his subpar coaching ability, but that a good coach could have got 10 wins, possibly more out of this bunch without McFadden/Jones. I hope you understand that.
As for Nebraska, I've always hated the school, and I don't care what they do. I'm not saying fire Nutt now after 10 wins, but the fact is that it should have already happened. Oh and of course most of the players are going to say they like Nutt. They may actually like him, but do you think that anyone in their right mind would come out and say they don't like him with all the stuff happening right now?
We are not that far apart. He should have been gone already. Granted, if he did not have Felix and D-Mac, we don't win 6 games, and he would be gone already. I'm not sure that another coach would have won 10 games without them either, but that's ok. I would like to say that after next year it will all work itself outwhen he goes back to winning 5 or 6 and is forced out. Unfortunately, he must have naked pictures of FB, because sanctions[earlier] or not, he did not merit extensions, and he's still here. IMO, an 8-9 win season is the only way he should not be canned next year. Our program would look even more foolish than it does right now if we fire a coach who just won 10 games and was named coach of the year.
My foolish wish is that we put all this behind us, win 8- 10 games the next 4 years in a row with a NC in there somewhere. Also that we can again start to look with pride at our program. I also would like to see both UA and ASU in significant bowls at the same time. How cool that would be.
It is amazing how you give credit to everyone and everything but Nutt. IF he didn't have Mc and Jones, Mustain was 8-0, Gus called all the good plays. What a bunch of junk. We had the players recruited by Nutt and his staff, the really good ones before Gus got here. 8-0 for MM, but not against but one winning team, but still he's great. Gus didn't run the offense, he didn't call the plays, the head coach and offensive staff helped to make out a game plan and call sheet, but Gus called and designed every good play the Hogs ever ran. I suppose that is what has happened for 9 years. All seems unbelievable to me.
Now I hear David Lee's interview, "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator. I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time. He should, he should know what is going on with his team. Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone. So he would still have input. Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.
But HDN is wrong for doing it. Wrong for putting some possible constraits on an OC who had never called a play in college ball much less the SEC. Use a QB who hadn't taken a college snap and let him throw it 30-35 times a game. Doesn't seem smart, especially in light of the stats the guy had.
Maybe it's just me, and I'm not a great Nutt fan, but the facts just don't add up.
Nutt gets no credit for 10 wins, the blame for the losses. Yet, MM gets credit for beating 6 teams with losing records in which he contributed next to nothing except handing the ball to McFadden and JOnes. I quess he just inspires those guys.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 02:12:17 pm
Now I hear David Lee's interview, "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator. I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time. He should, he should know what is going on with his team. Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone. So he would still have input. Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.
This is almost exactly what the Texas OC said on Drive Time the other night. His offense won a national title a year ago and even he defers to the head coach and other offensive staff member in not only drawing up but in executing the game plan. Sounds like what Lee described was the norm. But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?
You really think the 3 state championships won at Shiloh against 2AA teams was not with superior talent? Silly boy. all the post on here of the players off those teams that went on to colleges. Find another 2AA team with that same list of college players. At Springdale, he won a championship in what 4 years I think. Good, but everyone has gone on adn on about the fab 5 and how many others from that group of underclassmen will get scholarships this year. Superior talent. The years he didn't like, the loss to LRC, the general concensus is NLR had superior talent that year.
So yeah superior talent. Not that he wasn't a smart enough coache to make the most of it, I mean he wasn't trying to runt the power I or something.
I've seen his book and the video's, nothing in those that are particularly earth shattering or brand new. Just a good basic explanation of some common route concepts and his explanation of how to run the no huddle and why. Good but basic. There are a lot of people out there that run no huddle, like the NFL for instance, I don't think they got it from Gus.
Don't blow the guy out of proportion until he proves himself in college.
Pretty good post there invictus. Malzahn practically never had to serve as an assistant in his career so maybe he had unreasonable expectations based on lack of experience in that position.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 02:27:53 pm
Pretty good post there invictus. Malzahn practically never had to serve as an assistant in his career so maybe he had unreasonable expectations based on lack of experience in that position.
It's hard for anyone to go from being the boss to something less. That's true for many, many professions. I've been there in mine. It's a big adjustment.
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 02:22:37 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 02:12:17 pm
Now I hear David Lee's interview, "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator. I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time. He should, he should know what is going on with his team. Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone. So he would still have input. Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.
This is almost exactly what the Texas OC said on Drive Time the other night. His offense won a national title a year ago and even he defers to the head coach and other offensive staff member in not only drawing up but in executing the game plan. Sounds like what Lee described was the norm. But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?
Both excellent posts. Unfortunately, IMO, HDN has gotten to "no way I can win" status with a large number of fans. The building of our 10 win team has to be credited to him, his staff and players. Those that say 'if you didn't have D-Mac and Felix, no 10 wins" just don't get it. I'm not a Hugger or a Hater. I just think his effectiveness/ credibility has taken a huge hit whether deserved or not. That is why I personally wish he would take another job, and let all have a fresh start.
Not good logic by me but I figured LSU will be without Russell and they beat us at home this year so we owe them one! Ha! TN at home is VERY tough, as is LSU at home, but we owe one to LSU and TN owes us one!
Nutt really doesn't seemed to have done anything to warrant losing his job. Yeah two bad seasons, but followed up by a national ranking, West Div. champs play for the SEC title, have the Heisman runner up, 10 wins. If someone would have said that would happen 9 years ago with Nutt the fans would have been proud to get it. Now because they do not like him personally, of course most have never met him, they want him gone. The sympathy for a group, small group, of high school players and their coach is admirable but misplaced. You simply don't give the praise and accolades to people until they earn them. The minute those folks became college level particpants the stakes changed. If is always a question of what have you done lately i athletics. The Springdale crew just didn't do anything impressive this year. Maybe they might have if they had stayed, but they chose not to because their egos were bruised.
I think we lose to Tenner and play close games with LSU and Auburn but end the regualer season with one loss and still ranked out of the top ten before the SEC championship game against Florida which we win and it causes a BCS controversy. Or we could lose 5 games. Either way Houston is done because he moves on to another school after a top 5 finish and gets out of the craziness. Or with 5 losses and no SEC championship, he is fired.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 11:44:51 am
I'm pretty sure that WV's recruiting classes don't even crack the top 40 yet they are able to go out and play/beat anyone. Don't get so caught up in the recruiting numbers that you think if you are ranked 8th that is where you are going to finish. Sometimes you find good players that don't get ranked high and they turn out to be studs. Jamaal Anderson is a perfect example. He was a 2* guy coming out of high school. Think he would be ranked higher now?
They have a good coach and a system... We have... Well you know. Most teams get the best of their talent. We're having trouble organizing the talent out of our best.
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 18, 2007, 11:42:20 am
Quote from: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 11:30:35 am
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP? That is what next year will be, wait and see. SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Pretty optimistic. Have you gone to rivals.com or any of the other recruitng sites. Look at the score given for recruiting talent to the teams in the SEC you'll have to beat to get there. They are reloading and the hogs are trying to figure out how to stay out of the press. I say 8 wins and the Music City bowl. They lose to Alabama, Tenn, LSU and Auburn.
Why don't we wait and see how this pans out before we make predictions on wins and losses?
Personally, right now, to me, an SEC championship is only a freakin DREAM!! They may win 8 based on the efforts of McFadden and Jones, plus 4 gimmes in non-conference. That would mean 2007 goes down as extreme failure.
Quote from: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 02:59:05 pm
Not good logic by me but I figured LSU will be without Russell and they beat us at home this year so we owe them one! Ha! TN at home is VERY tough, as is LSU at home, but we owe one to LSU and TN owes us one!
Matt Flynn will prove every bit as good as Russell. Count on it.
SCS, you sometimes appear to be fairly bright and kind of in the know, but your bias for all things ever connected to Shiloh and Gus blur you vision. Just stop and take a good look at what has happened at UA this year, the overall big picture over the past 9 years and think about how many schools would really be firing a coach in Nutts position. Nutt may not be a great coach, but he is a proven winner at the college level, like it or not.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:01:04 pm
Nutt really doesn't seemed to have done anything to warrant losing his job. Yeah two bad seasons, but followed up by a national ranking, West Div. champs play for the SEC title, have the Heisman runner up, 10 wins. If someone would have said that would happen 9 years ago with Nutt the fans would have been proud to get it. Now because they do not like him personally, of course most have never met him, they want him gone. The sympathy for a group, small group, of high school players and their coach is admirable but misplaced. You simply don't give the praise and accolades to people until they earn them. The minute those folks became college level particpants the stakes changed. If is always a question of what have you done lately i athletics. The Springdale crew just didn't do anything impressive this year. Maybe they might have if they had stayed, but they chose not to because their egos were bruised.
I'm not an Arkansas fan, everything I say about the program is completely unbiased and I would have been singing this song too about Nutt before all of this stuff happened. But with that being said, he has no control of the program right now. Also I think people may be misjudging the Springdale kids which most of you have probably never met. I think Mitch's mom needs to stay out of it, but its completely ludicrous to hire an OC, only to tell him later that "experts" say his offense won't work in the SEC. That's BS. Also Damian Williams reasons for transferring aren't all about football. It was Cleveland's dad that made the "60 catches a year" statement, not Williams or Cleveland himself.
why bother with season tickets. You can go to any game and get good seats for far less than face value with no juice being paid to the foundation. what a great deal.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:08:58 pm
SCS, you sometimes appear to be fairly bright and kind of in the know, but your bias for all things ever connected to Shiloh and Gus blur you vision. Just stop and take a good look at what has happened at UA this year, the overall big picture over the past 9 years and think about how many schools would really be firing a coach in Nutts position. Nutt may not be a great coach, but he is a proven winner at the college level, like it or not.
A proven winner with not a SEC title or a BCS bowl appearance.
Want to know what the standard needs to be around here?
Ask Frank Solich or Larry Coker.
Quote from: couch potato on January 18, 2007, 03:12:09 pm
why bother with season tickets. You can go to any game and get good seats for far less than face value with no juice being paid to the foundation. what a great deal.
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How many coaches out there don't have a conference title? How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:22:14 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title? How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.
It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity. I'm not, and never will be.
The sins of the father, or mother. There have been enought statements attributed tot he players to warrant a case against them for poor judgement. Comments to reporters, in the press, on tv and books. That a wise person would not make in public. Their ego was simply too large, nobody including their parents or their ex-coach seems to have kept them grounded or humble.
Hiring an OC was forced on HDN, that is pretty obvious, and you don't know what exactly was said. I'll bet he was never given a blank check so to speak. No staff witht the years of experience the UA staff has would turn it all over, lock stock and barrell to a novice coach. At the least Gus is gullible.
It's nice to dream isn't it. At some point UA fans need to accept reality. HOw many major programs in America win a title every 10 years or go to a BCS every couple of years, few. Arkansas will be about what it is, always. This year was good, they may occassionally get beyond that but not consistantly.
But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?
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When I first read this, it made sense. After re-reading it , I felt that even more. I think Malzahn is an honorable guy from all accounts, but the situation just did not turn out like he expected it to. He has an ego just like any other coach, and it needed to be fed not just by appearances but by substance. He obviously will get that at Tulsa. I still think that it is a huge gamble for him, but large egos aren't afraid of that. Next year with D-Mac, Felix and Monk he would again have had an OC's dream at the skill positions. Every team we play will start with 8 up close. If[big if] CD can get his groove on, we could light it up. That's what he could have been a part of. Now he takes a gamble at Tulsa, with nowhere near the talent coming back to work with. He must have been very unhappy, but he handled it with class.
How about some play action of first down on a regular basis, some 2nd and short shots down the field when you have a down to waste, and some combination routes where we actually try to read a defenders assignment before deciding where to throw.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:42:26 pm
How about some play action of first down on a regular basis, some 2nd and short shots down the field when you have a down to waste, and some combination routes where we actually try to read a defenders assignment before deciding where to throw.
Hopefully Mr. Lee can effect this type of philosophy. [and HDN lets him]
Quote from: gatecrasherfan on January 18, 2007, 03:27:25 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:22:14 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title? How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity. I'm not, and never will be.
How many second-tier Big 10 pantywaist teams have we lost bowl games to? I can only think of one that you could label"second-tier". That would be the Minnesota team that beat us in the Music City Bowl, and if I'm correct most of you Cowboy fans seem to think that one of their running backs that year hung the moon now. ::)
There is not problem with high expectations but be sure you have the parts to the puzzle in place. A compatible staff is a must.
Hey I have that type of philosophy, maybe I ought to apply. I can make dumb calls, cry about not running my offense and leave to another DI job where I make $150,000 or more. Seems like a dream job.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:52:52 pm
Hey I have that type of philosophy, maybe I ought to apply. I can make dumb calls, cry about not running my offense and leave to another DI job where I make $150,000 or more. Seems like a dream job.
If you can get that across to Dale, I say you are the man for the job!
In a statement released Thursday afternoon to CardinalSports.com, Louisville coach Steve Kragthorpe responded to the Mitch Mustain rumors.
"Due to widespread media speculation, the University of Louisville is not interested in recruiting Mitch Mustain," Kragthorpe's statement read.
http://louisville.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=631294
Who would want him and his mother? Now his Grandmother is involved...
Im hearing Oklahoma turned him down as well...waiting on confirmation on that one.
Quote from: youthguy on January 18, 2007, 03:47:25 pm
Quote from: gatecrasherfan on January 18, 2007, 03:27:25 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 03:22:14 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title? How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity. I'm not, and never will be.
How many second-tier Big 10 pantywaist teams have we lost bowl games to? I can only think of one that you could label"second-tier". That would be the Minnesota team that beat us in the Music City Bowl, and if I'm correct most of you Cowboy fans seem to think that one of their running backs that year hung the moon now. ::)
Actually that's the one....the Minnesota debacle, and while I'm at it throw that UNLV bunch in there with it.
As for Wisconsin, don't you think with BETTER COACHING, we would have beat them? I won't believe for one second that that team is better than we are.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 10:41:24 am
People were right..the REAL story is coming out
The REAL story has been out for quite some time.
Quote from: bobcat on January 18, 2007, 01:47:47 pm
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".
I have great respect for the players who are standing up for the program during this trying time.
What a shame he isn't coming back. It would be great for 20,000 fans to take an extra set of sneakers to the game and drop them on the turf.
Never mind that they ignored Mustain for quite some time in the first place over the shoes. There was another equipment issue that they paid him no attention to, either, until some complaining and heck-raising was done.
But hey, who cares about the truth? It's all about the perception, and the perception is that Mustain's a spoiled brat.
He's not, but nobody cares about what the facts are anymore.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:46:29 pm
Never mind that they ignored Mustain for quite some time in the first place over the shoes. There was another equipment issue that they paid him no attention to, either, until some complaining and heck-raising was done.
But hey, who cares about the truth? It's all about the perception, and the perception is that Mustain's a spoiled brat.
He's not, but nobody cares about what the facts are anymore.
You talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?
I hate it for him. Poor kid's been unfairly destroyed by a well-oiled slander machine.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:49:19 pm
I hate it for him. Poor kid's been unfairly destroyed by a well-oiled slander machine.
His mother?
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:48:44 pmYou talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?
Yes, and if your info on it comes from arsportstalk, then you need to get better sources.
Not necessarily. Better coaching than what. Gus calling plays. 4th and 1 to Petrus? Missed field goal, dropped pass in 3rd down situation. Sometimes players need to make plays.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:50:34 pmHis mother?
Egregiously false.
People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.
Quotebut manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience
I was going to say something about that section, but rsvl got to it before I could.
Best of luck to Mitch wherever he goes.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:53:27 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:50:34 pmHis mother?
Egregiously false.
People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.
Lies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.
Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.
I think it's freaking hilarious that you would throw Rick in that list Justin.
Like it or not, the whole thing about his mom and several other parents is widely known around the country. It isn't because people listened to 103.7 all day long either. When your mom has a press release end up on ESPN, I don't see how it is radio people's fault for anything that has happened. But, you like to put blame where it doesn't fall so it doesn't suprise me. I am suprised you didn't blame Nutt for all of this.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:51:32 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:48:44 pmYou talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?
Yes, and if your info on it comes from arsportstalk, then you need to get better sources.
ArSportTalk is much better than some places...I find it humerous that Mike Irwin was just on the radio saying Mitch may be going to Louisville after this semester and Louisville makes a statement saying they dont want him....
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:53:27 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:50:34 pmHis mother?
Egregiously false.
People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.
I think everyone involved in this entire things is to blame. Mitch should be blamed just as much as anyone else. That's not to say that others aren't responsible but I feel that Mitch brought some of this on to himself.
I will call bullsheet on those that say you would happily take 5 years of losing to get the program better. All of you would be on here bitching saying things need to change after 3 or 4 straight years or finished with a sub .500 record and you all know it.
Hey Houston, email me. I understand the bosses role and the role of the OC, and how to throw on 1st down, 2nd down and try to stay out of 3rd and long. I also know it ain't what the coaches know it's what they can teach to the players. This years system didn't seem to catch on very well.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 05:53:13 pm
Not necessarily. Better coaching than what. Gus calling plays. 4th and 1 to Petrus? Missed field goal, dropped pass in 3rd down situation. Sometimes players need to make plays.
Are you that naive??
Do you really think Gus Malzhan was calling the plays those last three ballgames??
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:55:42 pmLies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.
Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.
Yes, lies. Mustain's grandmother was slamming the P'sOS that run the program. Mitch asked for her interview to be taken down. He did not want her speaking for him.
Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile. Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense. Not once.
Notice that he has not said one bad word about this season, those in charge, or anything. That's class.
If any of you think that the parents are the only ones that have ever said anything to Nutt, you have lost your mind.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 01:03:05 am
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?
I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.
She is not, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.
Dude, pull your head out of the freaking sand. You sound like the Iraqi Information guy during our attack.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 05:56:24 pmLike it or not, the whole thing about his mom and several other parents is widely known around the country. It isn't because people listened to 103.7 all day long either. When your mom has a press release end up on ESPN, I don't see how it is radio people's fault for anything that has happened. But, you like to put blame where it doesn't fall so it doesn't suprise me. I am suprised you didn't blame Nutt for all of this.
I put blame directly where it belongs. Always have. The blame for this entire fiasco rests on Broyles and Nutt.
The whole thing is not known across the country. The spin and lies straight out of the Broyles Center are. When you control the media, you can say what you like. Scott Cain broke the story by telling the party line, it got picked up, next thing we know, the parents are being bashed across the country. Nevermind that what was said was not the truth.
Why not have a press release? When you've already been lied about, bashed, and slandered, it's better to say things directly than to tell a pro-Nutt reporter and hope he doesn't make it look differently in a story.
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 02:23:25 pm
You really think the 3 state championships won at Shiloh against 2AA teams was not with superior talent? Silly boy. all the post on here of the players off those teams that went on to colleges.
Malzahn had ONE big contributor at Shiloh who accepted a college scholarship, and that was Cole McNair, and he went to Tulsa. (sound familiar?) I know of no others. Walk-ons (Rhett Lashlee and Josh Floyd) do not count.
If you know of others, name them.
Shiloh was far outclassed athletically against Junction City in 1999. It wasn't even close on pure talent. Same thing when Shiloh played Rison the next year. And Barton. And on and on.
You've got no clue what you're talking about.
QuoteMitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile. Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense. Not once.
Legitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:56:50 pmArSportTalk is much better than some places...
Yeah, Woopig, but that's not saying much.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:06:48 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:55:42 pmLies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.
Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.
Yes, lies. Mustain's grandmother was slamming the P'sOS that run the program. Mitch asked for her interview to be taken down. He did not want her speaking for him.
Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile. Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense. Not once.
Notice that he has not said one bad word about this season, those in charge, or anything. That's class.
If any of you think that the parents are the only ones that have ever said anything to Nutt, you have lost your mind.
And if you think Mitch is perfect and performed like a star this season..you have lost your mind as well.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:10:34 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:56:50 pmArSportTalk is much better than some places...
Yeah, Woopig, but that's not saying much.
Do me a favor..ask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:04:04 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.
The reason, not excuse, is lack of practice time.
To call MM out for "not cutting it" would be to enforce a blatant double standard by leaving Dick alone for playing even more poorly than Mitch did.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 06:11:46 pmask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.
Leave out the "even after" part, which isn't true, and I'll do it.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 01:03:05 am
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?
I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.
She is not, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.
WOW...I hope you honestly dont believe that...
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:10:25 pmLegitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.
Legitimate because it is. And no, it wasn't because of PT and direction.
Like the meeting with Broyles. I said several weeks ago what the meeting was called for. The Huggers were loud in their screaming and gnashing of teeth.
I have a better idea about it than you or anyone else on here. That is fact, like it or not.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:12:48 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 06:11:46 pmask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.
Leave out the "even after" part, which isn't true, and I'll do it.
It is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 06:10:38 pmAnd if you think Mitch is perfect and performed like a star this season..you have lost your mind as well.
Mitch is not perfect.
However, he was the best QB on the team.
And I'll say it again: you don't yank a kid who is undefeated as a starter for one who is a typical .500 QB.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:10:25 pm
QuoteMitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile. Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense. Not once.
Legitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.
You are on a roll today.
Nutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.
I also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on Hogville says. The players all told the media now that those guys are gone they fill stronger than ever and that everything that is being said about this program going down hill is wrong. I talked to a few players that said they had a meeting and told Mustain that if he was even on the fence about being a Hog than he needs to leave.
Today in the paper it said that the players said you either want to be a hog or you don't, there is no in between and that now everyone that doesn't want to be a hog is gone they will be better off.
It is all Nutt though because he is the only one having anything negative to say.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 06:16:03 pmIt is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.
What man?
The Buzz is nothing but a mouthpiece. Justin Acri made a complete fool out of himself today.
QuoteToday in the paper it said that the players said you either want to be a hog or you don't, there is no in between and that now everyone that doesn't want to be a hog is gone they will be better off.
I agree with the players..either you want to be a Hog or you dont..you cant have it both ways..you must have 100% dedication.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:17:42 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 06:16:03 pmIt is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.
What man?
The Buzz is nothing but a mouthpiece. Justin Acri made a complete fool out of himself today.
What Man? Mike Irwin...they interviewed him on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago and he said that about Mustain and Louisville.
Quote from: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus. Things change fast.
Don't lump us all in there.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:24:29 pm
Quote from: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus. Things change fast.
Don't lump us all in there.
Yea, I haven't really cared for him either. I would have rather seen RoJo at QB this year.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:17:28 pmNutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.
Nutt is indeed a liar and a poor excuse of a human being, to boot.
Nutt said what he had to, such as "I'm gonna turn Gus loose" and the like, because he had to. He never hired Malzhan for a new offensive direction, he hired him to get those four players and not be known as the guy who let a national player of the year, in his own backyard, walk away.
If Nutt really meant all those things he said, then why did he try to hire David Lee back in February?
I'd love to hear an explanation for that.
QuoteI also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on Hogville says.
I have
never once said that all the players hate playing for Nutt. Never. I don't know where you get that from.
Quite a few do. You state that you talk to players, and I go by what somebody on Hogville says.
Has it ever hit you that perhaps (gasp!) players post on there? Has that ever ran through your mind?
Yesterday's presser by Monk and Co. wasn't nothing but damage control by the loyalists. Think about it. When's the last time a player called a press conference? Players don't call them. It was a set-up job by Nutt to deflect just criticism and pressure, nothing more.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:27:01 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:17:28 pmNutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.
Nutt is indeed a liar and a poor excuse of a human being, to boot.
Nutt said what he had to, such as "I'm gonna turn Gus loose" and the like, because he had to. He never hired Malzhan for a new offensive direction, he hired him to get those four players and not be known as the guy who let a national player of the year, in his own backyard, walk away.
If Nutt really meant all those things he said, then why did he try to hire David Lee back in February?
I'd love to hear an explanation for that.
QuoteI also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on Hogville says.
I have never once said that all the players hate playing for Nutt. Never. I don't know where you get that from.
Quite a few do. You state that you talk to players, and I go by what somebody on Hogville says.
Has it ever hit you that perhaps (gasp!) players post on there? Has that ever ran through your mind?
Yesterday's presser by Monk and Co. wasn't nothing but damage control by the loyalists. Think about it. When's the last time a player called a press conference? Players don't call them. It was a set-up job by Nutt to deflect just criticism and pressure, nothing more.
You have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee. They even offered Malzahn more money.
Malzahn is good friends with the Tulsa coach and they have always wanted to coach together. Grahm said when he becomes a head coach he will hire Malzahn.
There you go with those conspiracies that you have zero proof on. Monk, McFadden, Harrison, and Luigs all were told to call that meeting by Nutt. I am sure everything they said was prewritten on a note card that they read from too.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:31:18 pmYou have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.
The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:34:04 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:31:18 pmYou have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.
The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.
Yes..and the guy who wrote the article came back and said he made a mistake.
Quote
To Whom it may concern,
I would like you to address this issue. The latest reports from local media outlets has been that Gus Malzahn was told of a "demotion", which is why he left to go to Tulsa. I have found an article from the Dallas Morning News dated December 08, 2006 written by Matt Mosley (cowboysplus.com) which says that David Lee was offered the Offensive Coordinator's job for Arkansas in February 2006. Gus Malzahn was currently the offensive coordinator at that time. Can you help explain why this happened? An excerpt from the article says:
"Lee was offered the offensive coordinator position at Arkansas last February, but turned it down to remain in the league. And if there are any openings around the league after this season, he's got at least one pretty good reference."
Below is a link to the article. Please let us know what is going on and why it hasn't been reported already.
http://www.cowboysplus.com/columnists/mmosley/stories/120906cpmosley.1671e8d.html
Sincerely,
Tim
Here's the response I got from NWA Times:
Nutt's initial plan at the end of the 2005 season was to hire Lee as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach and hire Malzahn as receivers coach, which would have been much more in line with Malzahn's experience level. But Lee turned down the job on the weekend (Dec. 1-3) prior to Mustain publicly re-opening his commitment on the Monday (Dec. 4) following Springdale's championship victory. By the following Thursday or Friday (Dec. 9), Nutt had hired Malzahn as offensive coordinator with the designation of quarterback or receivers coach to come later when Nutt filled the final spot on his offensive staff.
Basically, when Nutt's first choice for OC turned him down he was in a public relations bind with Mustain decommitting. He had to make a move quickly that would sooth things over with the fans and create a more favorable situation for recruiting the Springdale kids and that was to hire Malzahn not just as an assistant but as the OC. That move was roundly criticized nationally until mid-season, but it made a lot of people in Northwest Arkansas extremely happy.
Had Nutt not needed to act so quickly, I believe he would have hired Malzahn as an assistant and gone after a more experienced OC, but Broyles stepped in and had him hire Malzahn as OC for the immediate good of the program.
As for the February attempt to hire Lee, Nutt may have gone after him again with co- title before hiring Alex Wood and Lee turned it down for a second time sometime in Dec. or early Jan. but the report on the Cowboys website about this occurring in Feb. of 2006 is off base. Alex Wood was hired Jan. 4 according to our archives, so Nutt's staff was full by then.
Here's the correspondence I've had w/ Matt Mosley:
Tim,
Here's the deal: It was common knowledge around here that David was
offered
the job...I think he turned down the UA job when the Cowboys season
ended in
January...I said Feb., which was probably not accurate...Thanks.
m
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim
To: Mosley, Matt
Sent: 1/17/2007 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: Re: David Lee Contacted for OC in February 2006
So did he turn down the job in Feb. and he was offered in January?
Your
article says February.
"Mosley, Matt" <MMosley@dallasnews.com> wrote:
he was offered the job in Jan., not Feb...Thx.
m
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:47 AM
To: mmosley@dallasnews.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: David Lee Contacted for OC in February 2006
Mr. Mosley,
Attached is an e-mail I received from the Northwest Arkansas Times,
stating that your information is "off base" when you said David Lee was
offered the OC job at Arkansas in February of 2006. Please feel free
to
respond to them (I would also like to know your response).
Thanks,
Tim
I was banned over there for something. I had no post bashing anyone...I just told me people that we needed to stand up and support the program reguardless who is coaching and the AD...but that aside...
How do i figure out why i was banned do they not tell you...I feel like I was banned for taking up for the hogs...In my opinion they should shut the site down...it is nothing but a place that is bashing the razorbacks...i just don't get it...if anyone knows please let me know...and please don't ban me from FF...this site is a classy site that lets people have their opinions and lets them say it...
No, I did not start this, but you can sign up today.
http://www.savethehogs.com/
38-36 in the SEC...wow.
Get use to it bro. I have been banned forever over there because I told someone that was calling Mustain a pro QB that he wasn't one yet. Didn't use one vulgar word, didn't try and over ride the censor. Wasn't even really a diss. I got banned.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:34:04 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:31:18 pmYou have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.
The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.
What happened to that witty thread you had? Did you not have a response to why I never received the memo?
the only word i used was and I quote..."Don't bash the guys that are out there busting their butt" didn't think it was the end of the world...but i guess i messed up and stood up for the team that the site is built around...
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.
(sigh)
wawa, what was your handle on there?
Quoteprovided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete
That is the tough part. Did Nutt say "We'll hire you if you bring your kids." Who knows. Tough to figure out unless someone talks.
the same as here...wawa111
I'll look into it.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:47:05 pm
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.
(sigh)
wawa, what was your handle on there?
Trust him,...UI knows all about banishment and reinstatement and such. ;)
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:47:05 pm
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.
(sigh)
wawa, what was your handle on there?
If you have a say in banning over there than that may be why I was banned. If you look at my posts over there you will see I didn't say anything. I can't speak for anyone else, but I only had 2 or 3 posts. One was the one I described and the other was stating Nutt's ppg throughout his career in the SEC. I think I had one post on the fitness board talking about weight lifting. I got banned twice. After the first tme I got banned my posts were erased.
I think I can still log in on there at school, but at my house it says error. I think they banned my IP.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:50:46 pmIf you have a say in banning over there than that may be why I was banned.
I didn't have a thing to do with it.
Try logging in there now with your old account.
I'm sure i said some things that people didn't like...but i thought these were places to express your feelings...i am not asking to be reinstated, i just want to know what i did to get banned...
i mean me and UI go at it but its nothing personal...we just don't think the same...
The average power rankings for teams Mustain started against is 68.625.
The average power ranking of teams Dick started against is 23.
The only reason Dick's ranking is so high is that Miss State had a power ranking of of 80. If you drop them out the ranking for the other four games is 8.75.
I'm tired of hearing the garbage about not pulling Mustain as the starter when he was 8-0. If he had stayed in against South Carolina, the Hogs would have lost, they would not have won the West, and would have ended up at Shreveport in the Indy Bowl. Mustain got credit for the SC win, but anyone with a decent memory will remember that it was Dick who won that game for he Hogs.
If you give credit to Dick for the SC win (25 power rank), Mustain's power rank will be 74.85 and Dick's will be 23.33. Anyone who looks at the picture honestly can't think that Mustain would be been a difference maker in any of the Hog's losses.
Source for rankings: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cf2006.htm (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cf2006.htm)
I gave SEMO a power ranking of 121 because they are DII and not in the rankings.
Yea, I don't have anything personal against UI either. If there is nobody on here that I can argue with constantly than I probably wouldn't post much.
I logged in and it said this.
" Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
multiple accounts"
I have 2 accounts on the same email but only because after I got banned the first time I made a new account.
Couldn't agree more!!!!!!
When any High School Player Steps up to the NCAA Division I will support them until the bitter End. I want Players from Arkansas FROM ANY HS TEAM to Excel to the top of the D1 or D2 team. Plan and simple I just feel for the Players from Springdale. Gawd, look at the roller coaster ride they have been given from Mom and Dad, Frank B., Houston Dipp Nutt and the Hog Fans.
You can only wonder what they really think or feel. They are too young to Screw with there Heads.
All Hog fans have Compassion......for Players.
mine says...
Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum
trolling
Alright, thanks for unbanning me. It worked. We have been friendly enough....time to argue with each other again.
Just kidding. I probably won't post a whole lot over there. I just like reading it from time to time.
If you give credit to Dick for the South Carolina win, then you have to direct blame at him for the LSU loss as well.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:58:32 pm
If you give credit to Dick for the South Carolina win, then you have to direct blame at him for the LSU loss as well.
Do you honestly think Mustain would have made a difference?
not me i am still banned...UI did I say things to deserve banning...IF I did thats fine, I really didn't think I did...
Thank you UI...I will no longer be a thorn in your side....LOL...no, you gotta have people keep you on your toes...what is the coaching situation looking like in YellowJacket land?
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 06:59:59 pmDo you honestly think Mustain would have made a difference?
Not sure.
Given that Monk tanked an easy Mustain pass that ended up being intercepted, the same Monk that made a ridiculous double-coverage catch to end the half for a touchdown, I'm not sure on it at all.
The only QB that would have made any difference in the LSU game was Jamarcus Russell and that would have been by him being injured. Nobody on the Hog sideline would have taken us to victory in that game.
Quote from: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:04:13 pm
Thank you UI...I will no longer be a thorn in your side....LOL...no, you gotta have people keep you on your toes...what is the coaching situation looking like in YellowJacket land?
Just doing my job.
Longtime def. coordinator Ray Shempert has been supported by the superintendent for the head coaching job. He will be voted on and named the new head coach this coming Monday.
Surely, Mustain had to have done better than Dick's 3-17 for 29 yards performance.
I dunno, though, considering the lack of practice time given to the pass game and how less and less of it was as the season went on, it may have not mattered who the QB was.
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.
I think I'll go pick up an ADG. I haven't seen the ad yet.
Good Deal...ONce again thanks...Did you see anything that I should be aware of with my post over there to keep from getting banned.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:12:34 pm
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.
I think I'll go pick up an ADG. I haven't seen the ad yet.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:12:34 pm
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.
I think I'll go pick up an ADG. I haven't seen the ad yet.
Where's the ad located?
Someone posted this on the 3A board.Said they are calling for his resignation of the "letter" about Mustain..Im guessing it would be the email.
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62955.0
They were talking about this on Ch 7 news at 5:00 it will be back on at 10:00 more about this.
I really want to see this ad. My barber told me about it this afternoon. But sadly, my dad took the paper to work with him this morning.
I found this post on another SEC board today on a thread discussing Mitch's transfer, and it also sums up the way I feel about the whole QB argument...
________________________________________
According to Arkansas' website, Mustain averaged 74.5 ypg this past season in the air, and threw 10 TDs compared to 9 INTs. Not to mention, three of his starts were against Utah State, Southeast Missouri, and Lousiana Monroe. He was HORRIBLE, that's why he got yanked against South Carolina, not because of some injustice but because he sucked.
________________________________________
If Dick had started against SEMO and Utah State and Vandy and OM and ULM...then maybe he would have been 8-0 instead of Mitch.
Let's revisit some of Mitch's wonderful performances
vs ULM (3-8 vs D1 competition) ... 7/18 for 71 yards, 2 TD 2 INT, 3.9 yards/attempt (wow)
vs SEMO (4-7 1-AA team) ... 5/13 for 51 yards, 1 TD, 3.9 yards/attempt again
vs Utah State (1-11) ... 9/17 for 119 yards, 1 TD, 7.0 yards/attempt
vs Alabama ... 7/22 for 97 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 4.4 yards/attempt
vs Ole Miss (if you take out the 70 yard screen pass to McFadden) ... 11/14 for 87 yards, 0 TD, 6.2 yards/attempt
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 18, 2007, 07:22:54 pm
They were talking about this on Ch 7 news at 5:00 it will be back on at 10:00 more about this.
WOW..Thanks!
what is the letter?
I missed the news. It's past time the Board steps up and takes a little control of this mess.
Quote from: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:28:32 pm
what is the letter?
A VERY nasty email sent to Mitch Mustain
Don't get your news on Hogville.net
They still think Alabama is going to be turned down by Saban and hire Nutt. It comes from impeccable sources.
The ad is on page 3 of the sports section. The text is the same as on their web page.
You guys better not be just trying to get my hopes up.
Nutt to Colorado!
Who sent it...A fan...Coach...players??/
Oh, I pay no attention to them...Just like to see how ignorant the population of Arkansas is...Its fun, makes me laugh, and makes me more and more thankful for Mississippi
Quote from: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:33:13 pm
Who sent it...A fan...Coach...players??/
Supposedly someone VERY close to Nutt
My mom heard something about this on the radio. She said it involved a member of the Nutt family and a physical trainer.
nothing big's going down. relax people.
let me rephrase myself. i am a Hog Central employee. talked to my boss not 10 minutes ago. nothing big is going down in fayetteville tonight.
Quote from: buffinator on January 18, 2007, 07:42:34 pm
let me rephrase myself. i am a Hog Central employee. talked to my boss not 10 minutes ago. nothing big is going down in fayetteville tonight.
Thanks Buff.
you be welcome
hey President Ivan, think you can find out why i was banned? i'm still wondering.
heres what was going on ch 7 earlier. I found a link to the story.
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/389509.html
Ive got a copy of the email...but not sure if they want it posted here.
Quote from: SMC on January 18, 2007, 07:29:35 pm
Don't get your news on Hogville.net
They still think Alabama is going to be turned down by Saban and hire Nutt. It comes from impeccable sources.
Are the initials of one source M.I.?
QuoteI think last night on Channel Seven about 51% of the people thought the same way I do."
Man that is an overwhelming majority. Wonder what the margin of error was.
The "Hill" has turned into Mount St. Helens over the past week, and I think the erupting is far from over.
I still think he's going to be a pretty good QB. Wait and see. Everyone expected him to be the savior and he struggled, no arguement there. Let him get some stability and experience and then watch and wish.
I know for a fact Casey Dick isn't the answer.
What did Acri say?
They were talking about this and showed the ad on KFSM. I think Mike Nail got a kick out of it.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 08:10:38 pm
Ive got a copy of the email...but not sure if they want it posted here.
Please post it for those of us who don't know. It's been talked about so much it's bound to come out.
Okay people... I've been watching major college football and have been a University of Southern California Trojan and backer since pre-Civil Rights Act passage. A few peaks of interest: 1) Pointing the finger at and pouring all the blame on those athletes from Springdale isn't why the UA is having its problems, 2) If there are 90 players on the UA football team, 90 percent of them are pre-ma-don-nas, 3) Players leave the UA football team each and every year because of some personal issue, ie, playing time, positions, girl friend etc. Far too many excuses have been made for Houston Nutt's coaching ability. What would have happened if Mustain or Dick would have started against USC? Nothing different is the answer. Now that brings to light what kind of people are running things up there and how dirty they are... Look what they did to Robert Johnson. It was worse than and caused a much larger dark cloud over the athletic program than this mi-nute ordeal with the Springdale players.
I thought Arkansas was 0-3 in SECCG's
If this was forwarded by Mrs. Nutt, that's pathetic. I guess they're a well-matched couple.
Quote from: SCS-2007 on January 17, 2007, 01:34:57 pm
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 01:24:11 pm
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post. And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls. Which game was that?
I remember one he caught to win the Alabama game, thrown by MM. He was/is a good college TE. Maybe not great. To me, Damien was the big loss of anything we've seen the past 6 weeks. He was the guy we needed to keep.
Cleveland dropped 4 balls I believe in the LSU game, I would have to go back to look to be sure, the catch at Bama was pretty much dumb luck. Mustain made the wrong read, threw to Cleveland, the ball should have been knocked down but wasn't by the DB, which explains why Bama was 6-7, they couldn't make plays, plus how many missed FG. Damien Williams, what exactly did he really show. Freshman all conference in a conference were few freshman play much. He played because of the tremendous lack of receivers at UA. I am one of those that just didn't see the contributions this year by the Springdale contingent as being significant. I would have liked to see them stay to see if they could have developed, but as freshman the players who came from Springdale were only moderately successful. The really important thing now is to regroup and move forward. The Nutt bashing is not gooing to get rid of Nutt and only hurts the program and the kids still at UA.
Well, you don't have a chance of getting rid of Nutt if you don't bash him....and he certainly doesn't deserve praise....SS
Go Scrappers ;)
How can you be so confident about one QB that played poorly being poor but so confident that another poor QB will be great?
Quote from: bobcat on January 18, 2007, 01:47:47 pm
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".
How many times have we heard that crap before?
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.
About?
I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
You must be another one of those fans who are convinced the players are supposed to run the program. I have read throught the posts and just cannot see where Nutt has done anything way out of the ordinary for college coaches.
This makes a sad state of affairs sadder. What a pathetic bunch we have become. Here is a woman who I figure to be 40+ years old writing an embarrassingly nasty email to a young college freshman berating him and his family. Now, don't get me wrong. MM did not live up to the hype when he arrived. But, who could have? We made him the savior of the Razorback program before he ever put on the helmet. What pressure this kid must have had!
I am a Houston Nutt and Frank Broyles supporter. Sure, I haven't liked every decision they have made, but I try to always look at the big picture and I like what I see. I think all of this has been blown out of proportion and it is time to lay it to rest and get on with the team's work for next year. I realize that won't happen for some people until they get what they want, but I hope the powers that be won't let a few people decide the course of the program.
Now, to the email. What is the Houston Nutt participation here? When I first heard about it, I thought maybe he had sent it. But, now I see it is from some wacko supposed fan. My thoughts of the best administration reaction is to identify this "fan", pull her season tickets, ban her from the games and refund her any money ever given. This is not the spirit that should be conveyed in college athletics. Folks, this is a game. If the Razorbacks go 0-12 next year, the sun will come up the morning after the last game. People will go to work. Kids will go to school. Life will go on.
I would love to see proof that this is a real email. If it's been forwarded and forwarded, it will have the trace of where it has been. It will be dated.
I hated to see MM go. Not because I think he is the savior of the program or because I think he will win the Heisman some day. I don't believe either will happen. But, I think he has the basics to be a good college QB and finally being away from his HS coach could have really brought out some maturity. I believed he would be #1 next season and I'm sad he didn't give that a chance. But, if he really got an email like this, I can't blame him for leaving. It's awful and I hope they ban the person who sent it.
A question:
Have you ever been sent an email of questionable content that you forwarded? Was it on work time? Would the boss approve? What if your wife, son, grandma think of you if they knew you'd passed it on?
My point is forwarding an email that you found amusing is not a bad act in itself or very many of us would be guilty as well.
As to the content of the "letter" itself, that is another can of worms.
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 08:59:18 pm
This makes a sad state of affairs sadder. What a pathetic bunch we have become. Here is a woman who I figure to be 40+ years old writing an embarrassingly nasty email to a young college freshman berating him and his family. Now, don't get me wrong. MM did not live up to the hype when he arrived. But, who could have? We made him the savior of the Razorback program before he ever put on the helmet. What pressure this kid must have had!
I am a Houston Nutt and Frank Broyles supporter. Sure, I haven't liked every decision they have made, but I try to always look at the big picture and I like what I see. I think all of this has been blown out of proportion and it is time to lay it to rest and get on with the team's work for next year. I realize that won't happen for some people until they get what they want, but I hope the powers that be won't let a few people decide the course of the program.
Now, to the email. What is the Houston Nutt participation here? When I first heard about it, I thought maybe he had sent it. But, now I see it is from some wacko supposed fan. My thoughts of the best administration reaction is to identify this "fan", pull her season tickets, ban her from the games and refund her any money ever given. This is not the spirit that should be conveyed in college athletics. Folks, this is a game. If the Razorbacks go 0-12 next year, the sun will come up the morning after the last game. People will go to work. Kids will go to school. Life will go on.
I would love to see proof that this is a real email. If it's been forwarded and forwarded, it will have the trace of where it has been. It will be dated.
I hated to see MM go. Not because I think he is the savior of the program or because I think he will win the Heisman some day. I don't believe either will happen. But, I think he has the basics to be a good college QB and finally being away from his HS coach could have really brought out some maturity. I believed he would be #1 next season and I'm sad he didn't give that a chance. But, if he really got an email like this, I can't blame him for leaving. It's awful and I hope they ban the person who sent it.
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Quote from: Father Guido on January 18, 2007, 08:24:53 pm
They were talking about this and showed the ad on KFSM. I think Mike Nail got a kick out of it.
He wrote it and helped pay for it, of course he likes it.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
If so, the only person who should be doing the punishing is Houston Dale himself. Free country. Even though I find the e-mail despicable.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 08:58:09 pm
About?
I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
Pretty sure Applewhite is doing fine as a coach at Alabama. Simms is in the NFL because of his dad.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 08:58:09 pm
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.
About?
I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
Applewhite is the Offensive Coordinator at Alabama as of Jan. 13, 2007, and was the OC at Rice this past season.
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 18, 2007, 09:02:34 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
If so, the only person who should be doing the punishing is Houston Dale himself. Free country. Even though I find the e-mail despicable.
I agree, but it shows no integrity. Obvious why our recruiting class this year is a joke compared to what it should, and could have been. A 10 win season wasted.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 18, 2007, 01:04:41 am
Kim Sanchez is the same way, and I was showing that with my example.
I hear that her nickname is "Dirty."
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:05:11 pm
I agree, but it shows no integrity. Obvious why our recruiting class this year is a joke compared to what it should, and could have been. A 10 win season wasted.
100 percent agreed.
Imagine this one:
Beck Campbell, Kim Sanchez, Gary Brashears dad and Matt Jones's dad in the same room.
I think the more you bash, the more the heels get dug in for a long haul.
Quote from: CatsRule on January 18, 2007, 09:04:16 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 08:58:09 pm
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.
About?
I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
Applewhite is the Offensive Coordinator at Alabama as of Jan. 13, 2007, and was the OC at Rice this past season.
I thought that was the case.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:04:04 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.
The excuse I heard that contributed the most was the lack of publicity his mom and grandma were getting. Do you know if there is any truth to that? I think it is a fact despite not having proof.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 09:04:06 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 08:58:09 pm
About?
I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
Pretty sure Applewhite is doing fine as a coach at Alabama. Simms is in the NFL because of his dad.
Those that can do, those that can't teach! Simms was obviously a better QB as proof of NFL experience.
Simms dad is not considered a high profile ex-player, I doubt that got him drafted and on the team.
His wife is not known to have written it. All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many. It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.
How do we even know it's a woman? Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Quote from: exorcist on January 18, 2007, 09:07:34 pm
Interesting a women even talking about football to begin with. But does this stupid bi@#ch know that Major Applewhite is selling used cars and Simms is in the NFL? Nice analogy idiot.
Actually I think Major Applewhite is coaching college football.
OK, for those of you that struggle with sarcasm unless it is spelled out, I made the used car salesman crap up as a comparison to a stupid statement by a women who obviously had no clue that Simms made the NFL AND started at one time.
Mitch needs to look more carefully at a school with a great QB coach so he can be taught to read defenses. Most any college team will throw enough to get him to the next level if he has the stuff, if he can get the job done. I question whether or not he can. If he sits out a year, which he should have at UA, maybe he will get a good football education.
Guys, I'm going to remove all posts with the e-mail in it. hSv does not want it on the boards because there is still the possiblity of legal action in regards to it. You are free to PM it, but openly posting it will only get it removed. You may link to it anywhere else on the net, but don't post it here. That's how the boss wants it, that's how he gets it.
That's good policy +1
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:11:21 pm
His wife is not known to have written it. All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many. It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.
How do we even know it's a woman? Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Came from a PT that is friends with Danny Nutt. Anyways that is what the media is reporting.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:13:50 pm
Quote from: exorcist on January 18, 2007, 09:07:34 pm
Interesting a women even talking about football to begin with. But does this stupid bi@#ch know that Major Applewhite is selling used cars and Simms is in the NFL? Nice analogy idiot.
Actually I think Major Applewhite is coaching college football.
OK, for those of you that struggle with sarcasm unless it is spelled out, I made the used car salesman crap up as a comparison to a stupid statement by a women who obviously had no clue that Simms made the NFL AND started at one time.
Dumb, just plain dumb. Selling used cars and being the OC at Bama under Saban isn't even close. Besides isn't Simms watching games from the sidelines. Don't see that as much if any better than Applewhites position. By the way you don't think Simms dad is connected?
What I find interesting is when in the past, oh, fifty years or so, would a statewide newspaper actually give the nod to fans and allow the printing of a blatant attack on Frank Broyles, one that calls for his resignation?
I was very surprised that the ADG would even allow it.
Wally runs the sports dep't. Could he be turning as well?
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Absolutely not. How do we know that (a) she forwarded it and (b) if she did forward it, it was just to let someone (possibly her husband) know what was going around.
How do we know this wasn't sent by some anti-Nutt person just to create the controversy. the truth is, like the Malzahn and Mustain departures, none of us who opine here really knows what happened. We don't really know what, if any, promises or statements were made during recruiting. We want to act like we know, but we don't.
I felt like Malzahn was over his head when he was first hired. Not after the season began. But, I hoped he would succeed and still hope he succeeds wherever he goes. He has shown a lot of class in his departure and all of the negative postings attributed to Nutt and Broyles have been refuted by Malzahn's public statements. I think he is a class guy that realized that the U of A job wasn't the one he really wanted. Tulsa suited him best and he went to work with a friend. Why can't we accept that. I do, but then again, I support the coach and AD so that makes me, in the eyes of the anti's, a Malzahn hater.
They allow it because they are getting 5500 bucks from it.
Quote from: exorcist on January 18, 2007, 09:17:55 pm
Dumb, just plain dumb. Selling used cars and being the OC at Bama under Saban isn't even close.
Yes, you are if you don't understand what I meant. I give up. :P
Quote from: exorcist on January 18, 2007, 09:17:55 pm
By the way you don't think Simms dad is connected?
To what, Tampa Bay? Talking about dumb. I am sure Phil threatened them with not talking good about them during games he broadcast. ::)
I said a long time, not the only one I'm sure, that Gus should not be hired as the Hog offensive coordinator. Maybe as a position coach to start off and grow into that spot then advance. His receivers didn't appear to do too well this year so I think he was having trouble adjusting.
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 09:20:51 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Absolutely not. How do we know that (a) she forwarded it and (b) if she did forward it, it was just to let someone (possibly her husband) know what was going around.
How do we know this wasn't sent by some anti-Nutt person just to create the controversy. the truth is, like the Malzahn and Mustain departures, none of us who opine here really knows what happened. We don't really know what, if any, promises or statements were made during recruiting. We want to act like we know, but we don't.
I felt like Malzahn was over his head when he was first hired. Not after the season began. But, I hoped he would succeed and still hope he succeeds wherever he goes. He has shown a lot of class in his departure and all of the negative postings attributed to Nutt and Broyles have been refuted by Malzahn's public statements. I think he is a class guy that realized that the U of A job wasn't the one he really wanted. Tulsa suited him best and he went to work with a friend. Why can't we accept that. I do, but then again, I support the coach and AD so that makes me, in the eyes of the anti's, a Malzahn hater.
I said
IF. It was the first word in the sentence for Christ sake.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:11:55 pm
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:04:04 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.
The reason, not excuse, is lack of practice time.
To call MM out for "not cutting it" would be to enforce a blatant double standard by leaving Dick alone for playing even more poorly than Mitch did.
Ivan the stats don't really support your statement. The two most important stats for a qB would be percentage of completions which is slightly in MM's favor but for basically the same, MM 65/132 adn DC 62/132. The TD/INT is MM10/9 adn dick 9/6. But if you look at the caliber of the opponents and the records and defenses then Dick played against better and more highly ranked teams. I would expect that to make some difference.
Just want to get the general feel of the crowd on this issue.
Only if Nutt and Broyles are gone. Otherwise, no reason for him to set the bench and not be developed.
Tru Dat!
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:41:20 pm
Only if Nutt and Broyles are gone. Otherwise, no reason for him to set the bench and not be developed.
is this a rhetorical question?
If the players want him to stay, I'm all for it. If he can't be a part of the whole, he'd be better served to move on.
QuoteLook what they did to Robert Johnson
Yes, they did what they thought was BEST for the team...My guess is that EVERYONE hoped that RJ would succeed, but he just wasn't the guy to lead the team (we still haven't found that guy)...and I assume a lot of people thought he was screwed over...but the truth is...it was the right move.
If ANYBODY could have cried sour grapes, it would have been Robert Johnson. He took the HIGH ROAD and put his OWN positive spin on being replaced at QB. Being given the First Paul Eells, it could not have gone to a MORE deserving guy than Robert Johnson.
Had these boys handled themselves like RJ did (which we know is impossible), then perhaps people wouldn't think of them as whiners and primadonas.
As for the problems on the hill. At one point I think we were rated 5th (maybe even 3rd)...doesn't sound like problems on the hill to me.
The fans of every team want their team to win a national championship. The odds of it happening to most of the D1 schools are extremely remote. I am not saying we should settle for any less...but the reality is that we will.
Only if Broyles and Nutt are gone.
Otherwise, I'd rather not see a Parade all-American languish on the bench without ever getting a fair shot at starting.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:15:39 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:11:21 pm
His wife is not known to have written it. All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many. It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.
How do we even know it's a woman? Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Came from a PT that is friends with Danny Nutt. Anyways that is what the media is reporting.
Yes...but that is only the computer, not the author.
Walter Hussman doesn't need 5500 dollars, neither does the ADG.
I remember back in the last couple years of Nolan's tenure, a group of online fans wanted to put an ad in there calling for Nolan's resignation. It was written very professionally. The ADG wouldn't run it.
NO!!!!!!!
Good RIDDANCE!!!!
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:53:54 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:15:39 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:11:21 pm
His wife is not known to have written it. All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many. It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.
How do we even know it's a woman? Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Came from a PT that is friends with Danny Nutt. Anyways that is what the media is reporting.
Yes...but that is only the computer, not the author.
Talking about conspiracy theorist! So, someone made sure was wasn't looking, slid in and wrote an e-mail that probably took 15 minutes to pen. Big balls to say the least.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:53:54 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:15:39 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:11:21 pm
His wife is not known to have written it. All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many. It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.
How do we even know it's a woman? Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Came from a PT that is friends with Danny Nutt. Anyways that is what the media is reporting.
Yes...but that is only the computer, not the author.
This woman has a history of scathing e-mails and phone calls. Wally Hall has written several articles about her in the past. She called Wally and proceeded to dress him down for writing negatively about the Hogs. She's got some serious issues. I can't remember where I read the articles online, but they are there.
yds/att is a good stat.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:41:20 pm
Only if Nutt and Broyles are gone. Otherwise, no reason for him to set the bench and not be developed.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 09:52:56 pm
Only if Broyles and Nutt are gone.
Otherwise, I'd rather not see a Parade all-American languish on the bench without ever getting a fair shot at starting.
I feel the same.
Major Applewhite is going to be a star as a coach some day.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 09:52:26 pm
QuoteLook what they did to Robert Johnson
Yes, they did what they thought was BEST for the team...My guess is that EVERYONE hoped that RJ would succeed, but he just wasn't the guy to lead the team (we still haven't found that guy)...and I assume a lot of people thought he was screwed over...but the truth is...it was the right move.
If ANYBODY could have cried sour grapes, it would have been Robert Johnson. He took the HIGH ROAD and put his OWN positive spin on being replaced at QB. Being given the First Paul Eells, it could not have gone to a MORE deserving guy than Robert Johnson.
Had these boys handled themselves like RJ did (which we know is impossible), then perhaps people wouldn't think of them as whiners and primadonas.
As for the problems on the hill. At one point I think we were rated 5th (maybe even 3rd)...doesn't sound like problems on the hill to me.
The fans of every team want their team to win a national championship. The odds of it happening to most of the D1 schools are extremely remote. I am not saying we should settle for any less...but the reality is that we will.
I don't think anyone questions a move had to be made, but they basically sent RJ ahead of Mitch so Mitch's confidence wouldn't be shattered in his first ever collegiate game.
Quote from: pantherfan56 on January 17, 2007, 10:59:43 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 10:54:31 pm
Now that's faith. Step out there pantherfan. I think you need to extend your timeline. But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path. He'll need to develop thicker skin.
He's an offensive genius... Pair that with a few Conference-USA titles and he'll be ready to go. If by developing thick skin you mean he needs to thoughen up then you're wrong... He's handling this all extremely well... Do you realize some of the things people say to him these days? Besides, I'd take him as my head coach right now.
Even an genius has to have talent. I agree he could be a great coach, however he has not been measured yet. A stacked team at Springdale and we really don't know one way or the other Arkansas.
Let him Coach at Marvell...if he wins there...then I would call him a genius.
QuoteOtherwise, I'd rather not see a Parade all-American languish on the bench without ever getting a fair shot at starting.
Because he never had that before. ::)
If you think the ad was something, wait until the billboards start going up along I-40.
Billboards cost half of what that five grand ad did.
Who the heck is MM?
Nonetheless, no one know who wrote this. It's just like a lot of the specualtion that goes on in chatrooms, it's just not a proven fact. I'm guilty of it myself.
As far as the details of the email's timeline goes, it could have been composed in advance by someone. There are all kinds of things you can speculate.
Nothing here can be proven in a court of law.
As far as forwarding it being a crime, isn't half the state forwarding it now?
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:03:22 pm
If you think the ad was something, wait until the billboards start going up along I-40.
Billboards cost half of what that five grand ad did.
That would be baaaaaddddd......
Mal Moore.
Bama fans love him.
Can someone please PM the email in question or just post a link to it?
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 10:05:06 pm
Quote from: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 18, 2007, 10:04:01 pm
Who the heck is MM?
Marilyn Monroe :-)
WHEW....good..
I thought folks were talking about Marcus Monk...I was like NO Marcus Monk quit? What? But...Marilyn must be a redshirt or something....I've not heard of him.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:04:21 pm
Nothing here can be proven in a court of law.
As far as forwarding it being a crime, isn't half the state forwarding it now?
Agreed.
Not only e-mailed around, but I am sure edited versions will start to pop up.
Would he be the same? Would the baggage come with him?
Yes. Yes. The answer is no. He doesn't want to be here. Never did. It's unfair to expect someone to play here that really never wanted to in the first place.
I hope he does well somewhere else.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:05:07 pmThat would be baaaaaddddd......
The days of the fanbase staying quiet and staying in its place are over.
The program serves us. We do not serve it. It's high time they knew it.
The folks in Fayetteville need to realize that this is not going to stop.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 10:02:08 pm
QuoteOtherwise, I'd rather not see a Parade all-American languish on the bench without ever getting a fair shot at starting.
Because he never had that before. ::)
Playing 11 games as a freshman isn't fair. Everyone is obviously out to get him because he didn't see the field in 3 of our games.
In all seriousness, did Casey not get a fair shot either? He attempted the same amount of passes, but played in 1 less game then Mustain. I know he was hurt some, but still.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:08:51 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:05:07 pmThat would be baaaaaddddd......
The days of the fanbase staying quiet and staying in its place are over.
The program serves us. We do not serve it. It's high time they knew it.
The folks in Fayetteville need to realize that this is not going to stop.
Doing all of this could only hurt the program more. This could be a bad thing when it comes to recruiting.
If billboards start going up then this will have gotten even more out of control than it already is. To ask for the firing of a Coach who led a team to a 10 win season, as well as a New Years Day bowl while running HIS offense is ridiculous. I was constantly irritated this year by the fact that offensively anything successful was credited to Gus, while anything else was Houston's fault. How does that happen? Honestly I'm not sure how effective Gus was this season. Yeah, yeah we got the "wildcat" this year, but seems to me we ran an awfully similar formation when Matt Jones was here. Even if it was Gus, he clearly didn't want to be here. Neither did Damian or Mitch, so let them go. Houston wants to be here, but honestly I can't understand why because no matter what he does, Arkansas fans have turned against him because of just 2 mediocre seasons. Come on people, cut Houston a little slack.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 10:10:19 pm
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 10:02:08 pm
QuoteOtherwise, I'd rather not see a Parade all-American languish on the bench without ever getting a fair shot at starting.
Because he never had that before. ::)
Playing 11 games as a freshman isn't fair. Everyone is obviously out to get him because he didn't see the field in 3 of our games.
In all seriousness, did Casey not get a fair shot either? He attempted the same amount of passes, but played in 1 less game then Mustain. I know he was hurt some, but still.
With all of the (unearned) hype, there was NO WAY Mustain was not gonna play (start) at UA. I am not a Nutt hater, but if you want to fault him for anything, it would be caving into the pressure of playing an unproven primadona freshman QB....that snowballed into a QB controversy.
He didn't say the crime was in forwarding, he said the crime was in posting it on a public message board.
I get the negativity, but long term this type of behavior will not help us out. IMO, part of the appeal to come to the U of A for a new coach is the unwavering die-hard fans that live here and are totally devoted to the Hogs.
Once we cross the line, future coaches will look at this job a little differently.
We need to make the U of A as attractive to a coach as possible. Public attacks on the scale of buying ads and such will undoubtably be noted by possible future hires.
To remind, we were 10-4 this year. I know that post will trigger a backlash.
I enjoyed the season. The record was better than almost the most optimistic fan projected. I'm disappointed in the bowl game, but still looking forward to next year. I do think next year will be the ultimate say-so in the football staff's future.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:08:51 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:05:07 pmThat would be baaaaaddddd......
The days of the fanbase staying quiet and staying in its place are over.
The program serves us. We do not serve it. It's high time they knew it.
The folks in Fayetteville need to realize that this is not going to stop.
Then go voice your opinion. Don't make the program look like a freaking joke to recruits as they ride down the interstate by giving them the option to look at a billboard that is negative about the UA.
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 06:15:26 pm
Quote from: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 06:01:04 pm
KFMS reported tonight that he has been contacted by the new Louisville coach, Oklahoma, and of course he is looking into Tulsa.
I agree with Forked Tongue here. This whole deal is a mess and he is in the center of it like it or not. Mom didn't help anything.
Here is a kid who wanted to be a Hog all his life, then becomes the #1 rated high school QB in the country,...get the chance to go to U of A and play under his High School coach, and learn from a former NFL OC,... becomes the started, mainly by default, but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience. ...and then everybody blames him for the whole situation and calls him a whiner because he is confused about his role.
The fact that if he transfers to another D-1 school he will have to sit for a year is probably a blessing.
You make it sound like the one interception was why he got benched. It was his sorry performances before the SC game that helped contribute to his benching too. He hadn't won all of those games because of him. He won them because of our D and Darren/Felix. In 11 games Mitch had 10 TDs and 9 Interceptions. He was only averaging about 81 yards a game.
You couldn't really expect him to show up his freshman year and light the world on fire. It is always nice when a guy can do that for you but it is not fair to expect of a kid playing his first year at a new level. If this were somebody else 10 TD's and 9 INT's would be considered typical of a freshman.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:26:22 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 09:20:51 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Absolutely not. How do we know that (a) she forwarded it and (b) if she did forward it, it was just to let someone (possibly her husband) know what was going around.
How do we know this wasn't sent by some anti-Nutt person just to create the controversy. the truth is, like the Malzahn and Mustain departures, none of us who opine here really knows what happened. We don't really know what, if any, promises or statements were made during recruiting. We want to act like we know, but we don't.
I felt like Malzahn was over his head when he was first hired. Not after the season began. But, I hoped he would succeed and still hope he succeeds wherever he goes. He has shown a lot of class in his departure and all of the negative postings attributed to Nutt and Broyles have been refuted by Malzahn's public statements. I think he is a class guy that realized that the U of A job wasn't the one he really wanted. Tulsa suited him best and he went to work with a friend. Why can't we accept that. I do, but then again, I support the coach and AD so that makes me, in the eyes of the anti's, a Malzahn hater.
I said IF. It was the first word in the sentence for Christ sake.
Whoa, fella. I was just anwsering your question plus giving some opinion. I don't think my answer took it that you thought his wife sent the email.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 10:17:54 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:08:51 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:05:07 pmThat would be baaaaaddddd......
The days of the fanbase staying quiet and staying in its place are over.
The program serves us. We do not serve it. It's high time they knew it.
The folks in Fayetteville need to realize that this is not going to stop.
Then go voice your opinion. Don't make the program look like a freaking joke to recruits as they ride down the interstate by giving them the option to look at a billboard that is negative about the UA.
As it was stated earlier to me, "free country". Doesn't it not seem strange that these die hard fans you talk about have to resort to this to get "their" team back?
It's not a crime to e-mail it or post it. This is a person though that would likely sue people for slander. Not allowing the e-mail, keeps folks from going too far in attacking this person. It is actually to protect you.
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 10:19:32 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:26:22 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 09:20:51 pm
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Absolutely not. How do we know that (a) she forwarded it and (b) if she did forward it, it was just to let someone (possibly her husband) know what was going around.
How do we know this wasn't sent by some anti-Nutt person just to create the controversy. the truth is, like the Malzahn and Mustain departures, none of us who opine here really knows what happened. We don't really know what, if any, promises or statements were made during recruiting. We want to act like we know, but we don't.
I felt like Malzahn was over his head when he was first hired. Not after the season began. But, I hoped he would succeed and still hope he succeeds wherever he goes. He has shown a lot of class in his departure and all of the negative postings attributed to Nutt and Broyles have been refuted by Malzahn's public statements. I think he is a class guy that realized that the U of A job wasn't the one he really wanted. Tulsa suited him best and he went to work with a friend. Why can't we accept that. I do, but then again, I support the coach and AD so that makes me, in the eyes of the anti's, a Malzahn hater.
I said IF. It was the first word in the sentence for Christ sake.
Whoa, fella. I was just anwsering your question plus giving some opinion. I don't think my answer took it that you thought his wife sent the email.
Sorry, my bad.
Quote from: Footballer on January 18, 2007, 10:06:09 pm
Can someone please PM the email in question or just post a link to it?
I also would like to see this email. PM anyone?
I heard on the news OK did not want another high profile QB with baggage thus they passed on even talking to Mitch. Heard it on the radio, don't know how much truth is in it.
Whom it was stated that wrote the email did indeed write it.
That person also has very close ties with the Nutt family.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:16:24 pm
I get the negativity, but long term this type of behavior will not help us out. IMO, part of the appeal to come to the U of A for a new coach is the unwavering die-hard fans that live here and are totally devoted to the Hogs.
Once we cross the line, future coaches will look at this job a little differently.
We need to make the U of A as attractive to a coach as possible. Public attacks on the scale of buying ads and such will undoubtably be noted by possible future hires.
To remind, we were 10-4 this year. I know that post will trigger a backlash.
I enjoyed the season. The record was better than almost the most optimistic fan projected. I'm disappointed in the bowl game, but still looking forward to next year. I do think next year will be the ultimate say-so in the football staff's future.
I agree. 10-4 is in no way what I expected this year, and I look forward to next year. Support the Hogs no matter what!
im hoping an SEC school so he can beat the crap out of NUTT.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:24:05 pm
Whom it was stated that wrote the email did indeed write it.
That person also has very close ties with the Nutt family.
Ivan, I'm not picking a fight here with you or anyone. But how accountable is someone for a friend or "close relative"?
Guilt by association is a very slippery slope. I don't want to be know for what some of my friends did in their spare time.
This "email" is being overblown. People act as if HDN wrote it himself.
they showed on the news here a sign someone had at the arkansas bball game last night and they had to blur it out anyone know where i can see it at
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 09:52:26 pm
QuoteLook what they did to Robert Johnson
Yes, they did what they thought was BEST for the team...My guess is that EVERYONE hoped that RJ would succeed, but he just wasn't the guy to lead the team (we still haven't found that guy)...and I assume a lot of people thought he was screwed over...but the truth is...it was the right move.
If ANYBODY could have cried sour grapes, it would have been Robert Johnson. He took the HIGH ROAD and put his OWN positive spin on being replaced at QB. Being given the First Paul Eells, it could not have gone to a MORE deserving guy than Robert Johnson.
Had these boys handled themselves like RJ did (which we know is impossible), then perhaps people wouldn't think of them as whiners and primadonas.
As for the problems on the hill. At one point I think we were rated 5th (maybe even 3rd)...doesn't sound like problems on the hill to me.
The fans of every team want their team to win a national championship. The odds of it happening to most of the D1 schools are extremely remote. I am not saying we should settle for any less...but the reality is that we will.
I'm really missing something here...The "right move was made", "a move had to be made". But oh, wait.. You're right. A move had to be and was made. Not for the sake of the team's winning for sure. How about larger pickings. It's just hard to comprehend that after one game, and your stats aren't bad, you play a respectable game, yet you're demoted. Not to second team, third team or even the scout team. Heck, you're erased from the position completely.That really detailed the "Move". Insert Mustain against a Sun Belt Conference schedule and a couple of lower-shelf cupcakes and all is well. With exception of the Auburn game, Stevie Wonder could have started at QB for the Hogs and went 8-0. And oh yeah, didn't see em, but read about em. Vandy shoulda been a loss and most definitely Bama had "L" written all over it.Johnson deserved more of a chance than what he was given. At least he couldn't been worse, far he would have been a running threat, something the others weren't. (Ranked 5th or 3rd just goes to show what upsetting the No. 2 ranked team could do for you. It kept them in the Top 25. Plus, it has nothing to do with how under-the-covering it is on the Hill.) As far as the Eells Award, he really deserved it. I don't recall Mustain, Williams or Cleveland doing anything publically, on the field or off, to be labled whiners or distractions to the team. I give them and Gus an award - The Good To Get The Heck Out Of Dodge Award..
Being free to do something, does not make it right to do something. You are free to get a hammer and hit yourself in the head, but I advise against it. The B.O.T. are moved by one thing and one thing alone. M-O-N-E-Y Spending $5,500 for a paper ad will not sway them. $5,500 wouldn't even buy the Nike's they put on Mustian's feet this year.
Let's say that the ad is successful and Coach Nutt and Coach Broyles both resign . What coach and AD (at least of any quality to compete in the SEC) in his right mind would come to Arkansas where we fire a coach after a 10-4 championship season? All I can see right now is the other coaches taking advantage of an ad like this in their recruiting. If I'm an opposing coach, I would laminate a copy of that ad and make sure every recruit I'm after that Arkansas is after gets a framed copy. The people who operate under the savethehogs banner are really setting us up for a tough recruiting season this year and next. I didn't think we would lose any commitments because of GM and MM leaving, but this ad could cost us some. These people call themselves :real fans", but, to paraphrase an old adage, with fans like these, who needs enemies.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 09:13:59 pm
Guys, I'm going to remove all posts with the e-mail in it. hSv does not want it on the boards because there is still the possiblity of legal action in regards to it. You are free to PM it, but openly posting it will only get it removed. You may link to it anywhere else on the net, but don't post it here. That's how the boss wants it, that's how he gets it.
OK...Here is a link
http://arsportstalk.net/smf/index.php?topic=8039.0
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:08:51 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:05:07 pmThat would be baaaaaddddd......
The days of the fanbase staying quiet and staying in its place are over.
The program serves us. We do not serve it. It's high time they knew it.
The folks in Fayetteville need to realize that this is not going to stop.
+1, I couldn't agree any more...if the University will turn it's head on this program, then the Hog Wild fans sure won't...we won't allow this program drop to where it's headed at this moment...someone's got to take action...
This is by no means a shot at recruits...it's at the administration (which I think the recruits won't care too much about, after all they just play football) and the head coach (which we already know is the reason many recruits don't come to Arkansas...). Heck, if both of these guys said quits, I guarantee our recruiting would skyrocket...
HDn has a multi year contract for 2+ million a year. He's NOT going to resign. Would you?
QuoteI give them and Gus an award - The Good To Get The Heck Out Of Dodge Award.
I agree, give them the award and then "SEEYA, don't want to BEEYA".
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 10:21:09 pm
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Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:26:22 pm
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Quote from: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Absolutely not. How do we know that (a) she forwarded it and (b) if she did forward it, it was just to let someone (possibly her husband) know what was going around.
How do we know this wasn't sent by some anti-Nutt person just to create the controversy. the truth is, like the Malzahn and Mustain departures, none of us who opine here really knows what happened. We don't really know what, if any, promises or statements were made during recruiting. We want to act like we know, but we don't.
I felt like Malzahn was over his head when he was first hired. Not after the season began. But, I hoped he would succeed and still hope he succeeds wherever he goes. He has shown a lot of class in his departure and all of the negative postings attributed to Nutt and Broyles have been refuted by Malzahn's public statements. I think he is a class guy that realized that the U of A job wasn't the one he really wanted. Tulsa suited him best and he went to work with a friend. Why can't we accept that. I do, but then again, I support the coach and AD so that makes me, in the eyes of the anti's, a Malzahn hater.
I said IF. It was the first word in the sentence for Christ sake.
Whoa, fella. I was just anwsering your question plus giving some opinion. I don't think my answer took it that you thought his wife sent the email.
Sorry, my bad.
No problem.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:28:55 pm
Being free to do something, does not make it right to do something.
Tell that to HDN and FB!
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 10:13:41 pmThis could be a bad thing when it comes to recruiting.
Yeah, it could drop our recruiting to 12th in the conference from its current ranking of 10th.
Recruiting is already in the tank, regardless of what the fans do.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:32:52 pm
HDn has a multi year contract for 2+ million a year. He's NOT going to resign. Would you?
Probably not.
Anything goes now to increase the pressure on him and Broyles.
If this causes a negative impact, so be it.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:36:09 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 10:13:41 pmThis could be a bad thing when it comes to recruiting.
Yeah, it could drop our recruiting to 12th in the conference from its current ranking of 10th.
Recruiting is already in the tank, regardless of what the fans do.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:37:56 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:32:52 pm
HDn has a multi year contract for 2+ million a year. He's NOT going to resign. Would you?
Probably not.
Anything goes now to increase the pressure on him and Broyles.
If this causes a negative impact, so be it.
I'm like JJ Walker. For $2 million a year guaranteed you can dress me up in a water melon costume and call me anything you want.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:40:55 pmyou can dress me up in a water melon costume
I'd kinda like to see that.
I think there is no doubt that it will cost us some players and consequently a win or two down the road. That'll be the impact. But to me, if the fans cost us a win or two with negative pub they are not really fans.
Why does everything have to be so cut throat? Civil disobedience I can understand, but to do things that you know will harm the image of your school is two-faced.
Found this on another board...it actually makes since to me.
QuoteI got a copy of this E-mail this week and I will summarize the situation.
On Thursday before Rob Taylor got fired not sure of the dates here.
Rob Taylor called MM and told him he needed to show up for a press conference on
Tuesday to announce the hiring of a new co-OC they wanted him to be there with
some other players to show support. Taylor did not give any names, so MM called GM
to ask what was going on. GM said he did not know but not to worry.
GM called HDN to ask if they had hired a CO-OC . HDN denied it said there was nothing to
the story and not to worry about it. The next day ROB TAYLOR was fired ( not sure if that is what
got him fired or not but might explain some things).
GM got a call from Todd Graham Friday night asking him to come with him to to Tulsa to be the OC.
That he believed in his system and he could run his offense. GM told him he liked it at the UA and wanted to
make it work. GM told his family and they said lets go but GM said no he wanted to make it work at UA.
GM got a call from Chris Mortenson to tell him what his sources in the NFL were saying.
That DL was leaving the Cowboys and would be announced as the new CO-OC next week.
That the plan was to move GM to the press box and David call the plays.
GM was shocked and then went to HDN office to talk about the news.
GM met with HDN and asked if David was coming to be CO-OC HDN said yes that they wanted
his expertise in offense and they think he could add alot to the team.
So GM said "so you are telling the media I will have more control over the offense but really I will have less."
He ask HDN how long he has know about this HDN said look you know that we have been after DL for
a while and that we tried to hire him last year when you came aboard. GM said yes to be QB coach but we hired AW.
Nutt told him that they think DL can add alot to the team and can shore up some things on offense.
GM then told HDN that he had done everything that he had asked of him this year, he had supported him through all
the rumors and turmoil. He had been good with the media during the season I was named the National OC of the Year
by Rivals. And not one person on this staff has said congratulations, not you , not Reggie, not Frank.
But everyone is praising Reggie because he is a Broyles Award Finalist.
Then GM told him that TODD GRAHAM had called and wanted him to be OC at Tulsa.
HDN told GM if that is what you think you need to do then let me know so I don't get side swiped by the media.
Jim Lindsey tried to talk GM out of leaving and that he could get it in writing that GM would call the plays.
But he could not be on the field to assure it would happen but maybe they could talk to JFB.
GM told him thanks but no thanks he was going to TULSA to prove what he could do.
Hmmm. I've heard some of this already.
The rest of it seems to square away.
If the kid don't wanna play here then no. He asked to leave, let him. I don't care who it is. I have the notion to believe that he didn't want to be here in the first place, but that is just me.
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 10:42:20 pmWhy does everything have to be so cut throat? Civil disobedience I can understand, but to do things that you know will harm the image of your school is two-faced.
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:43:36 pmOops. I forgot you have a water melon fetish.
Nah, I just think that seeing you make a fool of yourself would be funny.
If you did it, maybe Heath could show up and take a few photos for the front page.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:47:57 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:43:36 pmOops. I forgot you have a water melon fetish.
Nah, I just think that seeing you make a fool of yourself would be funny.
If you did it, maybe Heath could show up and take a few photos for the front page.
For $2 mil, I'd get glamour shots.
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 10:02:08 pmBecause he never had that before. ::)
Considering that his starting job was unfairly snatched from him, and knowing how petty and vindictive Nutt is, yes, it's an easy thing to say that MM would never again get a fair shot.
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:49:21 pmFor $2 mil, I'd get glamour shots.
He'd be glad to do them, too.
I watched both Channel 4 and Channel 7 tonight (what a wonderful invention that TiVo is) and neither mentioned this email story. If it's true, I would think that they would be all over it. I have a feeling it is bogus and they won't report it. They did talk about the ad but said nothing about the email. An email of this magnatude would be much bigger news (if it really existed) than a bunch of disgruntled fans who can't (or won't) accept the team's success this year wasting their money to run a newspaper ad.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:51:32 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:49:21 pmFor $2 mil, I'd get glamour shots.
He'd be glad to do them, too.
Time for me to sign out for the night. Get a room guys...
:)
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 10:51:51 pmI have a feeling it is bogus and they won't report it.
It is as real as you and me.
Only if Nutt and Broyles are gone.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 10:13:48 pm
With all of the (unearned) hype, there was NO WAY Mustain was not gonna play (start) at UA. I am not a Nutt hater, but if you want to fault him for anything, it would be caving into the pressure of playing an unproven primadona freshman QB....that snowballed into a QB controversy.
If you recall, Nutt's boy, Dick, was gimpy to start the season. The controversy was between Mustain and Johnson. Nutt didn't do a great job of handling that one either, but at least he DID make a decision.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:53:31 pm
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 10:51:51 pmI have a feeling it is bogus and they won't report it.
It is as real as you and me.
I don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
After he has shopped himself around - no. I wish he had done as Coach Nutt asked and stayed through the spring practice. I believe 1st team snaps would have been divided equally and I think Mustain would have come out on top. Actually, I think he needs to be away from Malzahn and Lee would have really helped him. I think it was a mistake to leave this early. He will have to sit out next year and will get little work in spring practice wherever he goes. They will be getting their next year's QB ready. He won't see significant work until spring, 2008. If anything, he could have taken advantage of the spring practice here and then bolted after the semester. But, he's gone and we need to be looking ahead to next season. I know I am. Let the games begin.
looks like a bogus email to me
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:37:56 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:32:52 pm
HDn has a multi year contract for 2+ million a year. He's NOT going to resign. Would you?
Probably not.
Anything goes now to increase the pressure on him and Broyles.
If this causes a negative impact, so be it.
So, your goal is to get Nutt and Broyles regardless of what it does to the team?
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:50:00 pm
Quote from: RHS on January 18, 2007, 10:02:08 pmBecause he never had that before. ::)
Considering that his starting job was unfairly snatched from him, and knowing how petty and vindictive Nutt is, yes, it's an easy thing to say that MM would never again get a fair shot.
There is no such thing as "unfair snatching" of starting jobs.
The starting job belongs to whoever the head coach decides should start..........................no matter how idiotic that decision might be!
NO!! he was an overhyped qb before the season and now he's an overhyped qb who has only proved that he quits when things get tough. why anyone would want a sissy like that is beyond me. that goes for the whole springdale group. they felt like they were owed something from the start without having proven a single thing. they learned the hard way h.s. football is a long way from sec football.
Mitch wouldn't have lost any more than Casey did...
Quote from: mudturtle on January 18, 2007, 11:11:24 pm
looks like a bogus email to me
but i thought it had some good points
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:14:03 pmSo, your goal is to get Nutt and Broyles regardless of what it does to the team?
I look at it as chemotherapy.
Chemo is harmful. It hurts the body and causes many side effects. But it also kills cancer in the process. If the cancer isn't removed, the body dies.
This is the same. It does hurt things somewhat with the program, but it is an effort to remove a much greater harm.
Quote from: silverstreak on January 18, 2007, 11:25:11 pm
NO!! he was an overhyped qb before the season and now he's an overhyped qb who has only proved that he quits when things get tough. why anyone would want a sissy like that is beyond me. that goes for the whole springdale group. they felt like they were owed something from the start without having proven a single thing. they learned the hard way h.s. football is a long way from sec football.
An overhyped quarterback that is the only Razorback quarterback to be undefeated as a starter...
Quote from: mudturtle on January 18, 2007, 11:14:44 pmThere is no such thing as "unfair snatching" of starting jobs.
Tell that to all the people who, for some reason and in defiance of all logic, think Robert Johnson didn't get a fair shake.
Much of the same people bash Mustain for this or that. Anything they can, basically.
Gotta love double standards.
Hey guys..this is no BS...it is being reported on several boards that the football team is having a meeting right now because MM is TRYING TO COME BACK after being turned down by OU and Louisville....dont know if it is true...only sharing what Ive seen.
they both sucked. at least dick had an excuse for sucking. he played good teams. mustain was overrated coming out of high school. he played in a system that threw off defenses and adjusting to the college game was too much for him. sec football is a long ways off from arkansas h.s. football. by the way, charlie weis stopped recruiting mm because he was getting a qb a year later that he wanted more. that should tell you all you need to know about the great mm.
Baaaah.
Quote from: silverstreak on January 18, 2007, 11:50:58 pm
they both sucked. at least dick had an excuse for sucking. he played good teams. mustain was overrated coming out of high school. he played in a system that threw off defenses and adjusting to the college game was too much for him. sec football is a long ways off from arkansas h.s. football. by the way, charlie weis stopped recruiting mm because he was getting a qb a year later that he wanted more. that should tell you all you need to know about the great mm.
Dick didn't have an excuse... If he was so much more experienced and a better quarterback then why did he lose? Mitch couldn't have possibly done any worse than Casey...
Quote from: pantherfan56 on January 18, 2007, 11:47:27 pm
Quote from: silverstreak on January 18, 2007, 11:25:11 pm
NO!! he was an overhyped qb before the season and now he's an overhyped qb who has only proved that he quits when things get tough. why anyone would want a sissy like that is beyond me. that goes for the whole springdale group. they felt like they were owed something from the start without having proven a single thing. they learned the hard way h.s. football is a long way from sec football.
An overhyped quarterback that is the only Razorback quarterback to be undefeated as a starter...
thats true but the teams that mm played were terrible and he still sucked. this is discussed on another thread which made for some interesting reading and i'd suggest you went to. mm was 8-0 but i know special ed kids that could qb the hogs past powerhouses like ulm, mssu, and utah state. he's the reason the bama game was as close as it was. "hey bama, catch!!!"
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62960.0
i never said he could do worse than casey but wouldn't do any better either. he would have lost those games just like dick did. if dick started the 8 games that mm did, then he'd be 8-0.
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 09:52:26 pm
QuoteLook what they did to Robert Johnson
Yes, they did what they thought was BEST for the team...My guess is that EVERYONE hoped that RJ would succeed, but he just wasn't the guy to lead the team (we still haven't found that guy)...and I assume a lot of people thought he was screwed over...but the truth is...it was the right move.
If ANYBODY could have cried sour grapes, it would have been Robert Johnson. He took the HIGH ROAD and put his OWN positive spin on being replaced at QB. Being given the First Paul Eells, it could not have gone to a MORE deserving guy than Robert Johnson.
Had these boys handled themselves like RJ did (which we know is impossible), then perhaps people wouldn't think of them as whiners and primadonas.
As for the problems on the hill. At one point I think we were rated 5th (maybe even 3rd)...doesn't sound like problems on the hill to me.
The fans of every team want their team to win a national championship. The odds of it happening to most of the D1 schools are extremely remote. I am not saying we should settle for any less...but the reality is that we will.
Utter BS. Robert Johnson was screwed over, pure and simple. Heck, he may have been the best QB on the hill this year, but now he's the #2 receiver. If you don't think there are problems at the UA, then you are sadly mistaken, even Stevie Wonder can see that.
Quote from: silverstreak on January 18, 2007, 11:55:33 pmthats true but the teams that mm played were terrible and he still sucked.
Yeah, Auburn sure was terrible, and I remember how badly he sucked in that game. A 70% completion rating is as bad as it gets.
If it weren't for Mustain and a gust of wind, we'd have lost to Vandy for the second straight year.
This is a tad interesting:
http://www.wholehogsports.com/adg/148044/
Just from a connection stand point and all.....
Quote from: silverstreak on January 18, 2007, 11:55:33 pmhe's the reason the bama game was as close as it was.
Oh yes, the sole reason.
Never mind that John Parker Wilson completed 16 of 20 for three scores and burned the defense all day.
Never mind that if they'd had a kicker, Alabama would've won by at least ten points.
Never mind that MM stepped up and threw the game-winning touchdown after struggling all day.
It's all Mustain's fault.
Don't let facts stand in the way of your incorrect perception.
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:01:55 pmI don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
You don't buy it because you want to.
Stick your fingers in your ears all day long, but this happened, and it occurred as what it's been said it did.
Quote from: jackfan1 on January 18, 2007, 11:58:54 pm
This is a tad interesting:
http://www.wholehogsports.com/adg/148044/
Just from a connection stand point and all.....
Yep. That woman is very close to the Nutt family. She defended her friends, however, she did it in a despicable manner, and it was condoned by those she was defending.
Quote from: dc24 on January 18, 2007, 11:57:30 pmUtter BS. Robert Johnson was screwed over, pure and simple. Heck, he may have been the best QB on the hill this year, but now he's the #2 receiver.
That one of the more loonier posts I have ever read.
Robert Johnson was
horrible. He recieved a second chance that he didn't deserve by starting the USC game, which I told anyone who would listen that he would tank. He did, and we got killed.
He is not the best QB. Far from it. He was the third-best on the team, maybe lower, depending on who runs the scout team. Johnson was an all-world practice player, but he just didn't have it between the ears when the lights came on. That's understandable.
Screwed over? Please. Johnson recieved ample chances, more than he deserved.
Tell me exactly how Robert Johnson got screwed over.
No excuses, just fact. Tell me how a QB with a 2-6 record who got a second chance to start got screwed.
auburn was overrated and i thought that maybe the almost 300 yards rushing would have a little more to do with that win than the 87 yds from mustain.
vandy......yeah he had a good game and i'll give you that but come on. he didn't beat florida so having a good game against vandy isn't exactly something that made national headlines.
bama. hmm.....even if john parker wilson did have a good day, not throwing 3 picks would definately help if you wanted to keep the ball away from a qb who's hot that day.
by the way, you do a very good job at making it sound so good when you say "Never mind that MM stepped up and threw the game-winning touchdown after struggling all day." IF HE HADN'T BEEN STRUGGLING ALL DAY, THERE WOULDN'T BE A GAME WINNING TD. wow
he had less than 900 yds passing in 8 starts??? he played ul-monroe, utah state, and a d1-aa. he should have had 900 yds in those three games alone. he was a bad qb plain and simple.
don't let the fact that mustain played poor teams and poorly against most teams get in the way of the your nutt bashing/mustain apologetics.
Quote from: silverstreak on January 19, 2007, 12:18:15 am
auburn was overrated and i thought that maybe the almost 300 yards rushing would have a little more to do with that win than the 87 yds from mustain.
vandy......yeah he had a good game and i'll give you that but come on. he didn't beat florida so having a good game against vandy isn't exactly something that made national headlines.
bama. hmm.....even if john parker wilson did have a good day, not throwing 3 picks would definately help if you wanted to keep the ball away from a qb who's hot that day.
by the way, you do a very good job at making it sound so good when you say "Never mind that MM stepped up and threw the game-winning touchdown after struggling all day." IF HE HADN'T BEEN STRUGGLING ALL DAY, THERE WOULDN'T BE A GAME WINNING TD. wow
he had less than 900 yds passing in 8 starts??? he played ul-monroe, utah state, and a d1-aa. he should have had 900 yds in those three games alone. he was a bad qb plain and simple.
Auburn still was a pretty good team. Mustain's effective passing put their defense on their heels.
Mustain might not have beaten Florida, but Casey Dick sure as he
ll couldn't.
JPW was hot. But it is solely Mustain's fault to keep the ball away from him? Gee, I thought it was a defense's job to stop the opposing QB. Mitch could've played stellar, and it still may have been close. Think otherwise? Look at the Vandy game the week earlier.
Remember that Mustain and the pass game was shackled all season. Add in a lack of practice time to the pass game, and it provides a clear picture as to why he regressed as the season went on, and why Dick did as well.
I love the arguments against Mustain, because the exact ones can be made against Robert Johnson for his trainwreck of a performance in 2005. Johnson played poorly and regressed. He played poorly against bad competition.
Only differences are, there's a blatant double standard being held, and, oh yeah, Mustain actually won.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:36:09 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 10:13:41 pmThis could be a bad thing when it comes to recruiting.
Yeah, it could drop our recruiting to 12th in the conference from its current ranking of 10th.
Recruiting is already in the tank, regardless of what the fans do.
5 of the top 8 Recruits in the Arkansas going to out of state schools this year would certainly seem to back support that comment. (That was the comment on KFSM tonight. Not sure who they mean, though. Loucks, Green, Ziemba, Burns, and ?)
I dont think RoJo got screwed over...I DO however think that he is the prime example of a TEAM PLAYER.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 12:23:11 am
Quote from: silverstreak on January 19, 2007, 12:18:15 am
auburn was overrated and i thought that maybe the almost 300 yards rushing would have a little more to do with that win than the 87 yds from mustain.
vandy......yeah he had a good game and i'll give you that but come on. he didn't beat florida so having a good game against vandy isn't exactly something that made national headlines.
bama. hmm.....even if john parker wilson did have a good day, not throwing 3 picks would definately help if you wanted to keep the ball away from a qb who's hot that day.
by the way, you do a very good job at making it sound so good when you say "Never mind that MM stepped up and threw the game-winning touchdown after struggling all day." IF HE HADN'T BEEN STRUGGLING ALL DAY, THERE WOULDN'T BE A GAME WINNING TD. wow
he had less than 900 yds passing in 8 starts??? he played ul-monroe, utah state, and a d1-aa. he should have had 900 yds in those three games alone. he was a bad qb plain and simple.
Auburn still was a pretty good team. Mustain's effective passing put their defense on their heels.
Mustain might not have beaten Florida, but Casey Dick sure as hell couldn't.
JPW was hot. But it is solely Mustain's fault to keep the ball away from him? Gee, I thought it was a defense's job to stop the opposing QB. Mitch could've played stellar, and it still may have been close. Think otherwise? Look at the Vandy game the week earlier.
Remember that Mustain and the pass game was shackled all season. Add in a lack of practice time to the pass game, and it provides a clear picture as to why he regressed as the season went on, and why Dick did as well.
I love the arguments against Mustain, because the exact ones can be made against Robert Johnson for his trainwreck of a performance in 2005. Johnson played poorly and regressed. He played poorly against bad competition.
Only differences are, there's a blatant double standard being held, and, oh yeah, Mustain actually won.
you think mm put auburn on their heels. i thought maybe it was averaging over 6 yds a carry. he threw the ball 10 times the whole game and that's keeping them on their heels??? i want what you've been smoking.
it's not "mustain might not have beaten florida". the correct thing to say is "mustain wouldn't have beaten florida either".
last time i checked, one of the most important things about playing qb is keeping the ball away from the other team. i know that sounds crazy but yeah.......mm threw three picks against bama and there's not really any good argument you can make to even remotely make that sound better so don't try.
i forgot, you were at all the ua practices. that's how you know exactly how much time was spent on passing. anything you say about this is speculation for which you have no proof and you're only assuming. you weren't there so don't even try to argue this point.
i never said johnson was good. don't worry......i think he sucks as well.
no double standard. i think casey dick sucked as qb and honestly, they were pretty much interchangeable. dick would have won the games that mm won and mm would have lost the games that dick lost. they both sucked so get over it.
Quote from: Father Guido on January 19, 2007, 12:25:24 am
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:36:09 pm
Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 10:13:41 pmThis could be a bad thing when it comes to recruiting.
Yeah, it could drop our recruiting to 12th in the conference from its current ranking of 10th.
Recruiting is already in the tank, regardless of what the fans do.
5 of the top 8 Recruits in the Arkansas going to out of state schools this year would certainly seem to back support that comment. (That was the comment on KFSM tonight. Not sure who they mean, though. Loucks, Green, Ziemba, Burns, and ?)
Tresvant, I think.
;D
Can anyone explain to me why i was booted off the hogville messageboard for saying Ben Cleveland is the only springdale player who isn't a crybaby.....apparently the hogville moderaters are from springdale...
;D
Tonight. Well, last night, since technically, it's Friday now.
The following is a writeup of what Broyles said and what went on. It has been verified by others who were there.
There are some extremely interesting remarks in it.
JFB was invited months ago to be the featured and only speaker at this Alumni event. Note, this is not the Dallas Razorback Club but the alumni arm of the university. IT WAS NOT SET UP FOR A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION WITH HIM.
He flew down today before the event on the university plane, and specifically for the event, with several other university reps. Nutt was not on that flight.
There were about 120 attendees at the event. Before the event, many attendees openly discussed how JFB would handle his talk, what he would say and how he would say it.
Broyles spoke for about 30 minutes, probably a little more.
Before the speech, his people handed out a flyer that listed some 20 positives from this season. Included in those was the four losses to the top 5 teams in the country. JFB said he supplied the positives to Keven Trainor who had them typed up.
At the bottom of the flyer it states - in bold - "2 players and 1 coach decide to pursue their futures at other institutions."
"120 players and 9 coaches remain committed to the Razorback program and are excited about the future."
"Does that sound like a program that is in disarray to you?"
He also handed out a budget for all SEC schools that showed that Arkansas has the ninth smallest athletic budget in the SEC. This supported his theme that Arkansas does more with less. Or better yet, how Arkansas should be excused for doing more since it has less.
The tone of his speech for the first 15 minutes was combative and defiant.
He spent that time unequivocally, unabashedly and unashamedly propping up Nutt.
He literally credited Nutt with all of the success, from not just this past year, but since 1998.
Nutt is responsible for a 400% increase in revenue for the athletic department.
He said Nutt is the most important reason why the stadium is filled now. He credited him with setting the stage for the stadium expansion.
He repeated several times that Nutt wins the West, which he called the toughest conference in football, once every three years. To JFB, this was a huge positive.
The first part of his speech also focused on how 102% of the seating at the stadium is sold out.
To me, it was absolutely 100% clear that ALL he is concerned about is the seats in the stadium being filled and money. That was the focus of his talk, rather than building or winning national championships.
He said when the minority of fans criticized him as a coach, he came back even stronger with more supporters. He has shared this story with Nutt.
He ripped the Arkansas media a new one and said they report too many rumors. Rumors like him wanting to fire Nutt. He said that is unbelievable.
He was shocked about the ad in the newspaper that called for him to be fired.
He ripped the message boards. They are filled with too many false rumors as well.
He said there is a false letter with his signature floating around on Google that JFB allegedly wrote or typed. It states he said he wants to fire Nutt. He said he did not even know what Google is. He said Nutt called to ask him about the letter.
He said you cannot fire Nutt because he is SEC Coach of the year.
He talked about how the Univ. of Texas has always had a larger budget than we did and do.
He reminisced about how Arkansas could not stop UT's Wishbone attack in 1968.
He said we would not have been invited to the Big 12.
Broyles defiantly exclaimed that he was proud of his assistants leaving when he coached. He said there were about 13 of them in 15 years who did this. He did not name names, but named the schools where they went to coach like Tennessee, Ole Miss, Clemson and San Diego. He said he wanted his assistants to leave because new assistants bring new ideas. 10-15% of your game plan can come from new assistants, he said. He was very proud about this.
He stated Gus was offered a 2-year contract for $200,000 a year.
He said Gus left because Gus wants to run his own offense.
He said Florida can run the spread because they have superior athletes. He outright implied that we simply have lesser athletes than Florida and other powers.
He knew the Springdale parents wanted to speak with him before they actually met with him. He told HDN to make sure this meeting did not happen. He told Nutt to tell Gus to do something to prevent the parents from meeting with him. Broyles made clear that he held Gus responsible for the meeting because of Gus' previous relationship with the parents. He is the athletic director and does not have time for such meetings.
During the meeting with the parents, Broyles stated they complained about:
1. not having tickets on the 40 yard line, (when they had them on 10 yard line, I believe this is correct; another attendee said Broyles said they asked for 10 tickets on the 40 yard line),
2. lack of tutoring, and
3. trouble with the curfew.
He said only one parent even asked about football (he was very clear about this, which seemed odd).
He repeatedly said that losing 2 Springdale players does not mean the "world is coming to the end."
He said Gus was merely a high school coach last year.
He specifically mentioned the players' press conference and how great those players are for staying committed to the Hogs, which he emphasized is a family.
He said DMAC has really helped recruiting. He said DMAC was born to be a razorback. He said they will travel together to more awards ceremonies. He said he is the first sophomore to finish second in the Heisman voting. DMAC and Felix are close friends.
He said the game plan is set by the coaches during the week leading up to the game.
TO HIS CREDIT, BROYLES OPENED IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
THIS WAS NOT A SCHEDULED PART OF THE EVENT.
An attendee (a great Hog fan) said that Nutt lied to them at a golf event in Dallas last year when Nutt pointed at Gus and told them that Gus would call all of the plays. Broyles called the attendee a liar.
JFB repeatedly stated that Gus called "All" of the plays. There was no doubt about this. He called ALL of the plays.
Broyles stated that we could not get a top notch coach at Arkansas. An attendee said, well we had you.
An attendee commented that our special teams coach should be fired and Broyles responded I hope there are changes in special teams too. He clearly indicated that he agreed with the attendee.
Broyles said we just got a commitment from a Dallas recruit yesterday but that he could not say his name because it would be a recruiting violation.
In direct response to the question, who are the experts you spoke with about Gus' offense, he disclosed that "He" is the expert. He then mentioned in passing that he spoke with SEC coaches too who said it would not work. It does not work because the QB gets the ball 6 yards behind the line and the plays take too long to develop.
After the speech, the attendees and other representatives of the university met and mingled for about 25 minutes. JFB did too for about 5 minutes. He spent nearly all of the rest of the time in a corner of the room on his cell phone talking excitedly.
I was told by a person flying back on the plane that Nutt was meeting up with JFB and his entourage to fly back to Fayetteville tonight even though he did not fly to the event earlier with them.
A conversation between an influential alumni and university rep. revealed that Alan B. Sugg told that alumni that there would be a firing in the football program during the upcoming week.
When you're finished, go back and read the part about the Springdale parents. Broyles stated that football and the direction of the offense was a very small part of the meeting.
I can hear it now "B-b-b-but the parents tried to meddle by meeting with Frank!" Not true.
Folks, I've been saying it for weeks. I told you, I told you, I told you that those parents were being slandered and lied about.
I was right, and I have been right all along. Those of you ripping the parents have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
After all, the AD himself said otherwise.
Furthermore, I feel real comfortable with an AD pointing at a fan and twice calling him a liar.
Not to mention our own AD stating that we couldn't attract a top-notch coach.
That's some kind of confidence I've never even heard of.
My only question to this...and Ive see the varification to this post as well...but my question is why did Cleveland's dad tell the media they wanted "60 catches per year"? He did tell the media that..not saying he told JFB that...but it is awful funny...
You got booted because you were a flaming punk.
If you want to player bash, Hawgsports is the place for you.
If anyone has this email you could please pm it to me as I have only now heard about this. Thanks.
Quote from: memphisguy on January 19, 2007, 01:13:17 am
If anyone has this email you could please pm it to me as I have only now heard about this. Thanks.
Here is a link
http://arsportstalk.net/smf/index.php?topic=8039.0
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 12:16:44 am
Quote from: dc24 on January 18, 2007, 11:57:30 pmUtter BS. Robert Johnson was screwed over, pure and simple. Heck, he may have been the best QB on the hill this year, but now he's the #2 receiver.
That one of the more loonier posts I have ever read.
Robert Johnson was horrible. He recieved a second chance that he didn't deserve by starting the USC game, which I told anyone who would listen that he would tank. He did, and we got killed.
He is not the best QB. Far from it. He was the third-best on the team, maybe lower, depending on who runs the scout team. Johnson was an all-world practice player, but he just didn't have it between the ears when the lights came on. That's understandable.
Screwed over? Please. Johnson recieved ample chances, more than he deserved.
Horrible? He led the only TD drive against USC's starters and played fairly well. Felix fumbled 2 or 3 times and McFadden wasn't 100%. ROJO was screwed over. He was thrown out to the wolves. If he would've played the games Mustain started, Arkansas still would've been fine until the end of the season. They might have lost to Alabama or Vandy, but Mitchell didn't light it up either of those games either. Its hard for me to believe that ROJO isn't every bit as good as Casey and/or Mustain right now. Regardless, that was only the start of the Razorbacks problems.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 19, 2007, 01:09:55 am
My only question to this...and Ive see the varification to this post as well...but my question is why did Cleveland's dad tell the media they wanted "60 catches per year"? He did tell the media that..not saying he told JFB that...but it is awful funny...
Because Rick Cleveland was stricken with a case of the dumba
ss when he was talking to Scott Cain. That's my only explanation. Anyone will know that 60 catches a year will put him in the area of setting school records. Asking for 60 catches is just unreasonable.
I knew when the story broke that something wasn't right with it, then I found out shortly thereafter what really went on.
You don't just march into Frank's office and make demands.
Nobody does that.
Excuse me? And what give's you the right to bash me when you don't even know what happened? I'm entitled to an opinion as well as you, and your opinion so far is an ignorant one.
Quote from: dc24 on January 19, 2007, 01:15:20 amHe led the only TD drive against USC's starters and played fairly well. Felix fumbled 2 or 3 times and McFadden wasn't 100%. ROJO was screwed over. He was thrown out to the wolves. If he would've played the games Mustain started, Arkansas still would've been fine until the end of the season. They might have lost to Alabama or Vandy, but Mitchell didn't light it up either of those games either. Its hard for me to believe that ROJO isn't every bit as good as Casey and/or Mustain right now. Regardless, that was only the start of the Razorbacks problems.
- Mustain's drive was against quite a few USC starters.
- Any QB in that game would've been thrown out to the wolves.
- Johnson was two and freaking six last year. His only wins were against a Sun Belt team and a D-AA program, and even then, they had problems running the offense.
- Mitch didn't light it up against Vandy? Really. Go look up his stats from that game.
From judging by his past performance, there is no basis to believe that Johnson was better than either Mustain or Dick. None. Johnson got a second chance after a horrible previous season that a lot of QB's wouldn't have.
Screwed over? That couldn't be any farther from the truth.
He started and played well against the #3 team in the nation. Then HDN put in Mitch to lead a TD drive against the 3rd stringers and also throw a pick. If he did, indeed, win the job in practice, you don't yank him after a respectable performance against a good opponent, especially when he would've redeemed himself against USU, a team that should've been beat by more than 20 points. He handled it greatly though. His personality and work ethic is another reason you don't screw him over one game into the season.
Johnson won it by default, being that the starter was injured, and they didn't want to throw a true freshman with no starts out there.
The only reason Johnson got the start was because of experience. Not of merit.
I'm not doubting his sportsmanship. He's a heckuva team player. But as a QB, he was utterly pathetic. And he had no respectable performance against USC. It was typical Johnson.
Quote from: double_deuce on January 19, 2007, 01:21:52 am
Excuse me? And what give's you the right to bash me when you don't even know what happened?
Go look at Hogville, read the ban message, and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:26:07 am
Quote from: double_deuce on January 19, 2007, 01:21:52 am
Excuse me? And what give's you the right to bash me when you don't even know what happened?
Go look at Hogville, read the ban message, and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
I bet my ban message is better ;D
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:26:07 am
Quote from: double_deuce on January 19, 2007, 01:21:52 am
Excuse me? And what give's you the right to bash me when you don't even know what happened?
Go look at Hogville, read the ban message, and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
Did you personally read the message I typed on hogville.net?
Thats exactly what i thought...
Quote from: double_deuce on January 19, 2007, 01:29:02 amDid you personally read the message I typed on hogville.net?
Yessssssss.
Again, player bashing is a no-no on there, as it should be on any site.
Criticizing performances is fine. Bashing kids just to defend a head coach is completely different.
I was thinking Wood at first..then I read it again. JFB said he wanted Special Team improvement. Shibest is the sacrificial lamb here. Wood will likely be moved to WR or also sacrificed. JFB and Nutt are not just gonna volunteer their necks.
So if I say Ben Cleveland is the only Springdale player who isn't a crybaby, thats basis for being banned?
Mustain's drive wasn't against any USC starters, and if it was, wooppidy doo! He threw it into the chest of a guy the next drive and even if that guy wouldn't have been there two other guys would have picked it off. The only thing I remember about the Vandy game was Vandy dropping about 3 picks, which has nothing to do with Mitchell's skill, just luck. Johnson went 12-25 with 1 rushing TD and two picks, one of which I think bounced off of someone's hands, probably Monk's. Yet in another game, a QB goes 3-17 yet, doesn't get pulled during the game or benched the next week. As for last year, the Hogs were a lot better team this year with both D-Mac and Felix having a year under their belt. At most ROJO could hand the ball off this year just as good as Casey and Mitchell. ROJO got screwed. There's no way you can change my mind. I don't really have a dog in this fight so I'm going to try not to reply on this anymore.
When I read that, I immediately thought Wood. Shibest is one of Nutt's boys.
I really think it'll be:
- Wood fired or asked to resign;
- Lee will coach QB's (Wood's spot)
- Shibest to recievers;
- And maybe Vaughn to special teams. They already said Vaughn would be moving back to a field coaching job.
That's a personal attack on a group of players. Not to mention highly untrue. I didn't ban you, but I would have.
We have had over 3400 new members since just this past Monday, A large chunk of the fanbase is in lynch mode. Tolerances are very low for crap.
OK.....that's understandable, but for you to "assume" that I am a "flaming punk" is unnecessary.....So whatever you are exactly the same as everyone else.
How do y'all take Wally's column this morning?
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 12:10:47 am
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:01:55 pmI don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
You don't buy it because you want to.
Stick your fingers in your ears all day long, but this happened, and it occurred as what it's been said it did.
Let's see the email. The real deal with addresses, etc. It will tell who sent it to whom and on and on. It will provide the direct path to the originator. Right now, it's just something someone typed and put on here. The anti-Nutt and Broyles crew will resort to anything to achieve their objective. So, someone produce the real deal. Then I'll take the fingers out of my ears and listen to some truth.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:34:57 am
Quote from: double_deuce on January 19, 2007, 01:29:02 amDid you personally read the message I typed on hogville.net?
Yessssssss.
Again, player bashing is a no-no on there, as it should be on any site.
Criticizing performances is fine. Bashing kids just to defend a head coach is completely different.
I understand what you are saying, but why is it ok to attack the entire coaching staff to defend players? That is being a little hypocritical. The Sprindale players and Malzahn were all adults. If the coaches up on the Hill are expected to handle it then so should the players. I know for a fact people that dissed RoJo on that board were not even told to stop. Some of the Moderators jumped in with them. When Reggie Fish fumbled, that board said some pretty mean stuff, and I am sure if I look, you probably were joined in on that.
But since it was Mustain and Williams being talked about it is a big "no-no."
As The "Hill" Turns........ A major soap opera full of twists & turns! ;D
If that is true than Grahm did speak with Malzahn without permission.
As I said Pres Ivan, the truth would be out soon. That sums up the state of our program right there. Liars using Smoke and Mirrors
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 07:06:21 am
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 12:10:47 am
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:01:55 pmI don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
You don't buy it because you want to.
Stick your fingers in your ears all day long, but this happened, and it occurred as what it's been said it did.
Let's see the email. The real deal with addresses, etc. It will tell who sent it to whom and on and on. It will provide the direct path to the originator. Right now, it's just something someone typed and put on here. The anti-Nutt and Broyles crew will resort to anything to achieve their objective. So, someone produce the real deal. Then I'll take the fingers out of my ears and listen to some truth.
The e-mail is legit. I'm not anti-Nutt. Believe it.
hmmm.interesting if true, it would make somewhat sense to why fire a Director of Operations and give the excuse of "cutting back" .
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:01:55 pm
I don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
I don't know. Speaking as a member of the news media, this one would be a touchy topic. It would be very difficult to uncover conclusive proof of who sent the e-mail, and if you don't have that, you probaby don't really have a story. These players get derogatory e-mails all the time. You have to really pick your way around this kind of thing because it was a private message, and if you aren't subjecting yourself to possible legal problems, you are at the very least in an ethical gray area.
I can see why some outlets are reporting on it and some are not. If it was me, I'd probably handle it with kid gloves.
Yes it is real, believe it or not, it happened.
Quote from: rdubs8 on January 18, 2007, 10:24:29 pm
im hoping an SEC school so he can beat the crap out of NUTT.
Isnt Lsu in need of a qb
You are quite right, but I believe either Shibest is gone or is moved to an administrative position. The media can't spin this because it came verbatum from Frank. They know now that he is too old and senile to run our program effectively. It is time for a change -just like the ADG Ad-
My favorite part of Broyles' comments- "You can't bring a top-notch coach to Fayetteville" therefore he undermined Houston..and he knew we could have had Butch Davis anytime we chose to...and still can;)
Quote from: Searcy_Sports on January 18, 2007, 10:01:12 pm
A stacked team at Springdale and we really don't know one way or the other Arkansas.
Let him Coach at Marvell...if he wins there...then I would call him a genius.
You obviously don't know his history. He won everywhere that he coached, using multiple offensive systems, all kinds of demographics. Went from all-black Hughes where he won, to lily-white Shiloh Christian where he won, to large-school Springdale following a ballyhooed former coach where he won.
Shiloh probably didn't have the talent of Marvell when Malzahn first got there. We're talking about a school with fewer than 150 total students. And that's K through 12.
He's going to Tulsa and he's going to be running the same offense that he ran his whole life..in 2009(sit out 1 year,3 years of eligibility left)
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 19, 2007, 08:34:46 am
hmmm.interesting if true, it would make somewhat sense to why fire a Director of Operations and give the excuse of "cutting back" .
Ding Ding Ding, this has been going on for a LONG time. Frank really lost his head at the Dallas Alumni meeting, and now the chips will fall where they're needed. ;)
This sounds like a load of made-up crap to me.
First of all, Rob Taylor wouldn't have been handling a press conference. I can't even get past that without finding major flaws. Taylor handled football operations, not media contact. Media contact would fall under the umbrella of sports information, and that's Trainor's beat, not Taylor's.
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 19, 2007, 08:43:24 am
This sounds like a load of made-up crap to me.
First of all, Rob Taylor wouldn't have been handling a press conference. I can't even get past that without finding major flaws. Taylor handled football operations, not media contact. Media contact would fall under the umbrella of sports information, and that's Trainor's beat, not Taylor's.
Don't worry, the storm has JUST begun. There's a lot more coming in the next couple of days.. Things are about to get real interesting after the meeting with the boosters last night. :)
it appear from what is written that GM needed experience.......the UofA Coaching Staff did a overall performance review and made a move to shore up their short-comings, to shore up these weakness a Co-OC will be needed. DL will be coming available and the UofA Coaching Staff feels that his services will/can/should be helpful.........with this move, GM takes exceptions.................GM is the writing on the wall and looks to improve/shore up his future.......
Sound like Corporate America to me............
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:29:30 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate. I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University. Anybody can be a fan, but not all support. How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself? I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife. I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support. Hopefully we'll see. How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?
Not much response.
I pretty much guessed most of the Hugging and Bashing on this board was done by people that really don't support the program financially.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:07:34 am
I can hear it now "B-b-b-but the parents tried to meddle by meeting with Frank!" Not true.
Folks, I've been saying it for weeks. I told you, I told you, I told you that those parents were being slandered and lied about.
I was right, and I have been right all along. Those of you ripping the parents have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
you are right, they were lied to, bbbbbbbut, lying is recruiting and recruiting is lying. That is college football recruiting. Those are not the only 3 sets of parents that have been lied to in the nation by a college coach and they are not the last to be lied to either.
By reading this, the tone of the message is coming from a football coach Broyles instead of a AD Broyles.
This maybe the best qoute to come from all of this
"2 players and 1 coach decide to pursue their futures at other institutions."
"120 players and 9 coaches remain committed to the Razorback program and are excited about the future."
"Does that sound like a program that is in disarray to you?"
Quote from: pantherfan56 on January 17, 2007, 10:59:43 pm
Quote from: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 10:54:31 pm
Now that's faith. Step out there pantherfan. I think you need to extend your timeline. But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path. He'll need to develop thicker skin.
He's an offensive genius... Pair that with a few Conference-USA titles and he'll be ready to go. If by developing thick skin you mean he needs to thoughen up then you're wrong... He's handling this all extremely well... Do you realize some of the things people say to him these days? Besides, I'd take him as my head coach right now.
He may be an offensive genius....but can he be a head coach!......please remember that there is a difference, a big difference........there more to coaching then X's and O's.........
The head coach of any major college is more in the line of a manager......yes a manager of a larger company. You must pay your dues to get to the top and to get there one must be given the opportunities....GM got his, but there are demons within the company that keeps the right people from getting there to quick....these demons are procedures, cultural and standards......GM has see them and "they are writing on the wall"......Gus will get his shot but not at UofA this year..........
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 03:37:08 pm
Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight, er, discussion. My money goes to FSU. Before anyone decides to chastise me for not being loyal to my state, understand that I have my reasons, and they center around a good deed done by Mr. Bowden.
and my money to Arkansas State..............
One more thing is Gus may be through with major DI Coaching and so is Mitch palying major DI.
If i understood the local TV last night...OU "slammed the door" in Mitch's face yesterday and he was going to Tulsa today. Also as powerful as Broyles is I imagine that Gus is "blackballed" from coaching at a major DI school again unless he has a friend as HC.
I figure Gus will be back in NWA coaching the new Rogers High School when it is built.
Well the one thing you do forget in this post is that UofA is a PUBLIC university. In being PUBLIC, everyone that pays taxes "supports" the university and pays for anything that goes on up on the hill or over in Jonesboro or in Conway or in Pine Bluff or wherever.
MM will end up at what ever school the Wicked Witch of the Northwest (Beck Campbell) thinks she has the best chance of dictating to the coaches how the program will be run.
He should probably go to Tulsa. I read today that one of his choices is to not make a choice until after the semester. That would be a mistake. While he will be little more than a tackling dummy this spring wherever he goes, he should not miss spring practice. My advice to him (my first advice was to stay put) is to pick a school, get there, learn THEIR system, and have a good career. Also, tell mom you love her but to stay out of it.
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 19, 2007, 09:10:55 am
you are right, they were lied to, bbbbbbbut, lying is recruiting and recruiting is lying. That is college football recruiting. Those are not the only 3 sets of parents that have been lied to in the nation by a college coach and they are not the last to be lied to either.
Then why did Green go to USC? It was stated that he didn't come to Arkansas because they wanted him as a fullback and USC would let him be a tailback. If lying is OK in recruiting, why didn't they lie to Green as say he would be a tailback like USC? I guess Green is the only recruit that Nutt spoke the truth to!
Quote from: cbcpac40 on January 19, 2007, 09:27:11 am
Well the one thing you do forget in this post is that UofA is a PUBLIC university. In being PUBLIC, everyone that pays taxes "supports" the university and pays for anything that goes on up on the hill or over in Jonesboro or in Conway or in Pine Bluff or wherever.
The U of A athletic program is self-supporting. Yes, it's a public institution, but athletics pay for themselves. This is unlike ASU, UCA, etc where student fees and tax revenues are used to balance the athletic department's budgets. Wonder why the U of A has been able to do that? Could it have anything to do with a man named Broyles?
I never read the idiot. I think Bob Knight got it right about him!
I support it in the fact that I cheer for them every week (to lose.)
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:53:27 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 18, 2007, 05:50:34 pmHis mother?
Egregiously false.
People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.
Not that I support MM or his mother, The Wicked Witch of the Northwest, but Chuck Barrett has no clue whats going on he just tries to tell what he thinks Numb Nutts wants said.
whoever put that ad, which i heard(maybe a rumor) that it was a $5,000 dollar ad, in the democrat/gazette yesterday, was a genius!!! ;D :o
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 19, 2007, 09:33:26 am
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 19, 2007, 09:10:55 am
you are right, they were lied to, bbbbbbbut, lying is recruiting and recruiting is lying. That is college football recruiting. Those are not the only 3 sets of parents that have been lied to in the nation by a college coach and they are not the last to be lied to either.
Then why did Green go to USC? It was stated that he didn't come to Arkansas because they wanted him as a fullback and USC would let him be a tailback. If lying is OK in recruiting, why didn't they lie to Green as say he would be a tailback like USC? I guess Green is the only recruit that Nutt spoke the truth to!
I like this post and agree with you. Also, I have to say, there is a fine line between lying and salesmanship. Remember, when coaches recruit, they are selling themselves and their programs. If a car salesman tells you a car will get 25 mpg, you buy it and it won't get more than 24 mpg, did he lie to you? If a salesman tells you that a certain piece of equipment will increase your productivity by 25% and it only adds 10%, did he lie to you? I happen to think that every coach tells every kid that he can start and play a lot. However, common sense would tell you that it's implied that the kid will do his part and earn and keep earning his starting position. Mayby Coach Nutt told Mustain that they would move to the HUNH but after seeing his ability against better defenses, thought it might not work. Especially with an All-American in the backfield.
Listen, I am neither for or against Mustain, but just let the kid do what the kid wants to do and leave him alone.
If it is indeed true (and I still doubt its veracity since I haven't seen anything with email addresses and paths on it), then the writer should be banned from any contact with the U of A program. Whether you like or dislike a player or how he plays, you should never make these type of comments to them. We are forgetting that these young men are students first and that they are all trying their best. So, if it is true, they know who started it and she, he or it should be banned.
By the way, once an email message has been sent, it loses the protections of being a confidential communique. The identy of the senders and forwarders are subject to release since they are now in the public domain. I recently lost a nice case because an email was allowed into evidence. I tried to say it was a private message but the law didn't back me on that. Your computer may have some privacy claims and you may be able to keep another party from searching your email, but once you send one, it's up for grabs.
I guess you could say that I have indirectly supported the program in the past. When I visited friends who did attend, I would frequent the local bars. I gave a lot of money to these bars, mind you. In a small way, I, along with my fellow patrons, did my part to help the economy in NWA, which in turn led to higher booster contributions to the program. In short, think of it as a microcosm of Chaos Theory.
Quote from: infinity41 on January 19, 2007, 09:52:20 am
Listen, I am neither for or against Mustain, but just let the kid do what the kid wants to do and leave him alone.
This is the best post I have seen to date. Folks, this is over. Let the parties, Malzahn, Mustain, Nutt, Broyles and others get on with the show. Let's get ready to win at least 10 more next year, another West Division championship and maybe break our cherry in the championship game.
It would not surprise me that Prewett sent this email for sure- she does get a little fired up at times
Quote from: Footballer on January 18, 2007, 08:16:31 pm
The "Hill" has turned into Mount St. Helens over the past week, and I think the erupting is far from over.
Maybe the ensuing explosion will bust a nutt.
Quote from: Ramblin' Man on January 19, 2007, 09:37:16 am
I support it in the fact that I cheer for them every week (to lose.)
BOOMER SOONER !
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 07:06:21 am
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 12:10:47 am
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:01:55 pmI don't buy it. This is news. Maybe as big as MM and GM leaving. They wouldn't leave this alone in a thousand years. I'll change my mind when they report it, but until then, save your typing.
You don't buy it because you want to.
Stick your fingers in your ears all day long, but this happened, and it occurred as what it's been said it did.
Let's see the email. The real deal with addresses, etc. It will tell who sent it to whom and on and on. It will provide the direct path to the originator. Right now, it's just something someone typed and put on here. The anti-Nutt and Broyles crew will resort to anything to achieve their objective. So, someone produce the real deal. Then I'll take the fingers out of my ears and listen to some truth.
http://arsportstalk.net/smf/index.php?topic=7817.msg45626#msg45626
This is a better version of the e-mail. When you look at it..LOOK at who the SENDER is.......
Dont be bringing Stats into the equation..that is un-fair ;D
For those that don't believe that email is real, because it's not current news... It's old news. The email was sent before the bowl game.
It's been reoprted that it is one, of four emails, sent from this person, to MM. I've heard the one, that was publicized, was mild compared to some comments from the other emails.
I read, the emails were traced back to the person who has been mentioned. There may be legal action before this is over. One email can be considered in poor taste. Four emails can be considered harassment.
This was all over the message boards when it happened and was discussed, at length, on DTS.
GENIUS?!! More like gutless and tacky . . . if you haven't got the balls to sign it, one the AGD should have never allowed it & two you / they are a bunch of spineless whimps !!! It's easy to "sit behind" a name, but lets see just who you are !!!
Word is..Mustain is trying to come back and will address the team.
http://arsportstalk.net/smf/index.php?topic=8119.0
Someone called in to DTS yesterday and stated that the ADG didn't want to print the large list of names.
:D(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/cowboy23/cleanjackass.jpg)
Quote from: invictus on January 18, 2007, 11:14:03 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 18, 2007, 10:37:56 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 10:32:52 pm
HDn has a multi year contract for 2+ million a year. He's NOT going to resign. Would you?
Probably not.
Anything goes now to increase the pressure on him and Broyles.
If this causes a negative impact, so be it.
So, your goal is to get Nutt and Broyles regardless of what it does to the team?
Ivan is neither a fan nor a supporter of the program. He does not give a tinker's dang about the program. He hates Nutt. He, and several others are causing NEARLY AS MUCH DAMAGE AS NUTT HAS. Why hasn't someone called for them to be removed? Anyone want to contribute to that ad?
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 19, 2007, 10:22:46 am
GENIUS?!! More like gutless and tacky . . . if you haven't got the balls to sign it, one the AGD should have never allowed it & two you / they are a bunch of spineless whimps !!! It's easy to "sit behind" a name, but lets see just who you are !!!
So whats your name?
Quote from: ljmom on January 19, 2007, 10:31:23 am
Someone called in to DTS yesterday and stated that the ADG didn't want to print the large list of names.
Bingo. Plus, there were time constraints with getting all the paperwork filled out for releasing names, or something to that effect. It's all on the site.
Quote from: cbcpac40 on January 19, 2007, 09:27:11 am
Well the one thing you do forget in this post is that UofA is a PUBLIC university. In being PUBLIC, everyone that pays taxes "supports" the university and pays for anything that goes on up on the hill or over in Jonesboro or in Conway or in Pine Bluff or wherever.
Not in football, but that is addressed in another post. Anyone can be a fan. Before you are a supporter, you have to dig into your pockets
and ante up. There are fans that can't afford to do that, and that is ok. There are thousands that contribute more than I do, there are some that give less. I just find it funny that none of the loudest on here seem to be supporters of the program.
I have a daughter and son-in-law who are both graduates of U of A. My Brother in law also is a graduate. I have two nephews who are graduates, (one of which was in the marching band and Basketball pep band). And my father got his masters at U of A. Several sets of season tickets in the family.
Just for the record, my dad hates Nutt and Broyles. Daughter, dislikes him. Son in law likes him. Nephews are split. Brother in Law thinks Nutt is an idiot.
David Lee made Matt Jones....so he needs to say SCREW CASEY DICK...SCREW MUSTAIN....SCREW THE FACT THAT EVERYONE CRIES ABOUT HOW THEY GOT DONE WRONG...because Rojo was the only one that got done wrong...and he didnt even complain about it..he was humble and took it in stride...START ROJO IN 2007!!
Quote from: ljmom on January 19, 2007, 10:31:23 am
Someone called in to DTS yesterday and stated that the ADG didn't want to print the large list of names.
There are many ads in the paper, i.e. political, charities, where lists of names of supporters are printed. If you are buying an ad, you can put whatever you can cram in the space (certainly vulgarity, slanerous lies, etc. are excepted from this statement). If you want to put in and ad that says: The following people call for whatever and then list the names, you can do it. Let's face it, they don't want their names to be revealed. That's their choice just like it's our choice to remain anonymous here.
All of my money went to A.S.U. I would have rather went to U of A but circumstances kept me from going there. I would love to be able to support U. of A.
The ADG required a signed release, from each person, they wouldn't list the names otherwise. There was no way to go all over the state and out of state, in some cases, to get those releases in time for the ad to be printed. It was to protect the ADG, period.
Turns out when this thread came about, there were going to be more changes...just not the ones I expected...
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62710.0
Anyone got a link, I want to read it
How credible is this? I doubt it without more proof...it's just message board talk...
I have a cousin attending the UofA and am a season ticket holder at football and basketball games...I was a hugger until recently...I was able to be a bigger man and see what needed to be done...
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 19, 2007, 11:20:30 am
Anyone got a link, I want to read it
wholehogsports somethin or another
If he does, I wish the team welcomes him back with open arms. I think he will grow to be a very good QB. But he has to WANT to be there.
I thought it was quite condescending to the HOGS. Yes, people have a right to speak and write what they want but in my opinion those people are not HOG fans they are detractors to the program. I personally thought it (Wally and the ad) to be tasteless and harmful to the program. I am a HOG fan and I do not appreciate this type of stuff, especially after the team came out and said they were united and ready to play some ball next year. I'm not willing but it would be nice if someone put an ad out saying how much they appreciated the coaches and the team and get all these naysayers on the band wagon to support them.
...and the saga continues.
Quote from: RunningGamePower on January 19, 2007, 11:25:07 am
How credible is this? I doubt it without more proof...it's just message board talk...
Did you not read that someone in the Athletic Dept has confirmed it?
deuce - email hsv. he may give you a second chance at some point. quit crying about it.
I thought the article was okay. Not his best ever, but okay. He seemed to be just supporting the ad buyer's right to run such an ad.
I think what most have overlooked is the effect this ad could have on recruiting. I would send a copy to every high school prospect and tell them that there is a big move for a coaching change for the Hogs. Personally, I would be embarrassed to have been a part of the ad but I suspect that the buyers don't care about the program as much as they claim. The team seems to support Coach Nutt and want to play for him. Shouldn't that be what is important. After all, isn't the football program for them first and the rest of us second? People have to decide who they want to give credibility to. Now, Mustain, his mama, his grandmama and maybe even Malzahn (though he has shown great class and hasn't entered this fray) say Nutt is essentially evil. However, here is Marcus Monk, D-Mac, and others saying they support the coach. I think I'll take their word for it and stand behind Coach Nutt.
I'm definitely a SUPPORTER of the Hogs. No, I do not like all that is going on right now, but it WILL bring the Boys closer together. I even go on the road to support the HOGS. I think the majority of Arkansans support them in a "root for them way". The only thing I would like to change right now is for Broyles to retire. I like all the coaches but feel like Broyles has outlived his effectiveness and he has been very effective. I do feel a new AD would allow us to keep some of our money in AR and help some of our lower tier Div. I schools in the state by playing them and allowing the attendance figures to go to them. I.E. play UCA and ASU at War Memorial instead of TRoy and L. Lafayette.
Well said, Invictus.
Marcus Monk has always been humble and showed a lot of class going back to his days at EPC. It says a lot to me about the program and Houston Nutt that he would stay at Arkansas when he could be going pro and make a ton of money. So what, a bunch of spoiled momma's boys are leaving. Maybe a year in the SEC let Mustain realize he is not cut out to be a QB at a Major College in a Major Conference so he is dropping to a league where he may be competitive.
It is ridicules to hear some of the comments by morons on talk radio who think their opinion should count, and that they know more about football than Houston Nutt.
I am not a die hard Razorback fan, I lost the type of passion many people on this board have for the hogs along about the time I figured out Wrestling was fake. The first two years Nutt was the coach I thought was ridiculous the way hog fans thought he was the next Bear Bryant. Now I find it even more ridiculous the way he gets no credit for a 10 -4 season with losses only to teams that finished in the top six. 3 of those games went to the end. But yet he gets the blame for anything that is even perceived as being wrong. It wasn't message board junkies that made him SEC coach of the year, but people who are actually knowledgeable about College football. Sports is not just about X's and O's, but getting young men to put individualism aside and work together for a common goal as a team. I must say that Nutt has done an astounding job of that this past year, which must have been difficult with the talk radio shows, sports writers, and message boards constantly criticizing him. While I am not a die hard Razorback fan or even a Nutt fan, I am a fan of young men who show character and commitment such as Monk, Mcfadden, Jones, and Johnson. Those guys have showed their commitment to the Hogs and Houston Nutt. So if you want to jump off the band wagon, let me know and I will gladly take your spot. Win or lose
Quote from: OlGuyWicker on January 19, 2007, 11:59:17 am
Marcus Monk has always been humble and showed a lot of class going back to his days at EPC. It says a lot to me about the program and Houston Nutt that he would stay at Arkansas when he could be going pro and make a ton of money. So what, a bunch of spoiled momma's boys are leaving. Maybe a year in the SEC let Mustain realize he is not cut out to be a QB at a Major College in a Major Conference so he is dropping to a league where he may be competitive.
It is ridicules to hear some of the comments by morons on talk radio who think their opinion should count, and that they know more about football than Houston Nutt.
I am not a die hard Razorback fan, I lost the type of passion many people on this board have for the hogs along about the time I figured out Wrestling was fake. The first two years Nutt was the coach I thought was ridiculous the way hog fans thought he was the next Bear Bryant. Now I find it even more ridiculous the way he gets no credit for a 10 -4 season with losses only to teams that finished in the top six. 3 of those games went to the end. But yet he gets the blame for anything that is even perceived as being wrong. It wasn't message board junkies that made him SEC coach of the year, but people who are actually knowledgeable about College football. Sports is not just about X's and O's, but getting young men to put individualism aside and work together for a common goal as a team. I must say that Nutt has done an astounding job of that this past year, which must have been difficult with the talk radio shows, sports writers, and message boards constantly criticizing him. While I am not a die hard Razorback fan or even a Nutt fan, I am a fan of young men who show character and commitment such as Monk, Mcfadden, Jones, and Johnson. Those guys have showed their commitment to the Hogs and Houston Nutt. So if you want to jump off the band wagon, let me know and I will gladly take your spot. Win or lose
Bravo! Very well said. We should be listening to the team instead of a couple of whiners who probably didn't fit into the program's plans in the first place but had to be recruited because of public pressure.
KATV's Rusty Jackson will be reporting at 5 and 6 PM from F'Ville tonight per someone I know who works for KATV.
Quote from: T-Wacker on January 19, 2007, 09:33:26 am
Quote from: R. A.™ on January 19, 2007, 09:10:55 am
you are right, they were lied to, bbbbbbbut, lying is recruiting and recruiting is lying. That is college football recruiting. Those are not the only 3 sets of parents that have been lied to in the nation by a college coach and they are not the last to be lied to either.
Then why did Green go to USC? It was stated that he didn't come to Arkansas because they wanted him as a fullback and USC would let him be a tailback. If lying is OK in recruiting, why didn't they lie to Green as say he would be a tailback like USC? I guess Green is the only recruit that Nutt spoke the truth to!
I hope the kid doesn't believe that USC will let Green stay at tailback! Green is not a tailback at 230 plus pounds it takes a once in lifetime talent to play tailback at that size. Green doesn't have the acceleration of Herschel Walker nor the elusiveness of Rickey Williams he will ride the bench if he doesn't move or lose wieght. USC will ALWAYS find good tailbacks in CA. So is Pete Carroll a liar?
Here is a second..but similar write up on the meeting.
QuoteFrank's speech was pretty much as expected. All positive spin and all about the money. How much money the program makes and how much more we need.
He told us about the rumors of the parents' meeting. Told us there was no discussion of playing time or the offense or any of that. Told us that the discussion was about where the parents' seats were located, why wasn't curfew more strictly enforced and why wasn't tutoring better. Oh and he and one dad talked a little football.
He told us about how Arkansas would rank 7th or 8th or 9th in the SEC in terms of resources: population base, revenue, facilites, etc.
He had two handouts which I will scan and post when I get to my office Friday AM. One was a bar graph of budgets of the SEC schools. The other was a bullet point list of how hunky-dory everything is on the hill.
At the end of his speech, he actually offered to take questions. I waited to see what would happen before I jumped in...crickets. I'm telling you a frikking tumbleweed blew through that banquet room. So, I raised my hand...
Me: Who EXACTLY are the experts who told you that a spread offense would not work in the SEC?
JFB: I never said it wouldn't work.
Me: Yes sir, you did. You are on record in interviews that it won't work without a running quarterback.
JFB: Well, I've been coaching 60 years and I know that no matter what your offense, if you have the best players, any offense will work.
There was little bit of back and forth, then JFB told us that we lost to the #1, #3, #5 and #6 teams. I said "When can we expect to win those games? Hooten Nutt was 2-4 against ranked opponents this year and 12-25 since he got here."
JFB answered by saying that in the LSU, Florida and Wisconsin games that our offense and defense played welll enough to win, but our special teams failed and that's why we lost. To which I said, "Then will there be a change at Special Teams Coach position?"
JFB said, "I hope he'll make a change."
JFB went on to say that because we rank so low among SEC schools in resources (again the 7th, 8th or 9th thing) that Arkansas will never be able to attract a top coach. I jumped back in with, "We got YOU. You were the number one coach in the country."
About this time some guy jumped in and said, "Let someone else ask a question." I said, "Jump in anytime, folks."
So another guy did jump in and got after JFB about how could we let Malzahn go, how could we let Mustain go, etc. This quickly degenerated into the questioner (I'll let him identify himself if he so chooses) saying that Gus was lied to and that everyone at the GDRC golf tournament was lied to when Nutt pointed at Gus and said 'that man right there will be calling the plays.'
JFB said Gus called 100% of the plays. The questioner said he thought that was a lie, it was obvious who was in charge of the offense. At this point JFB pretty well blew. He was pointing his finger at the man saying "You are the liar, You are the liar! I was there I know who called the plays! Were you there? I was there!"
And here a lady jumped in with words to the effect of "Are tyhese boys getting an education? Are these boys being taugt to be men and to be fathers? Yes, they are."
And right there, Nolan Duck, the MC for Dallas Alumni Chapter, jumped in and shut it down. He tried to move the program forward, but JFB was off the stage, mic off his lapel, still arguing with the guy. Duck fially got it back on the tracks and they proceeded with handing out the awards.
I will say this: During the social hour before the dinner, during the dinner and in the minutes after the program ended, there was a lot of talk about all these problems, etc. But, not surprisingly, when the floor was opened for questions, few had the stones to jump in.
That's about as much as I remember right now, as clearly as I remember it. It got pretty exciting, so if anybody else that was there remembers anything else, please help me out.
I'll try to post the handouts by around 8:30 Friday.
WPS
I hope this whole episode has taught the kid some humility and to grow up some. I'm one of the most vocal critics of the springdale mess, but if he decided he wanted to be a hog, I would be more than happy and hope that he does develop into a good QB. Plus, having him stick around would put a patch over one of the holes in the "sinking ship," and hopefully allow recruits to see that Arkansas is a good place to be.
Just stated on the Buzz 103.7 that there is indeed a meeting.
Johnson was a sacrificial lamb for USC. He wasn't going to remain the starter regardless of what he did. That being said, I think he is going to make an excellent posession reciever and have a decent career. And for how he has handled this entire situation, he will be long remembered as someone who handled a bad situation with grace and showed class in a period of AR football that had its share of turmoil. I think the kid is great and I hope he is all SEC next year.
Seems like the kid wants the pressure and the attention but lacks the maturity to handle it yet! IF the team allows him back he has three years left and already has two strikes! Anymore distraction from now until he graduates he's gone! That's a lot of added pressure playing a high profile position!
Guys - I'm sure there is duplication in here. Sorry, I don't have time to read the entire thread. This came to me from a person I know/trust. Interesting read..
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These are the reports from the Dallas Alumni Event:
Frank's speech was pretty much as expected. All positive spin and all about the money. How much money the program makes and how much more we need.
He told us about the rumors of the parents' meeting. Told us there was no discussion of playing time or the offense or any of that. Told us that the discussion was about where the parents' seats were located, why wasn't curfew more strictly enforced and why wasn't tutoring better. Oh and he and one dad talked a little football.
He told us about how Arkansas would rank 7th or 8th or 9th in the SEC in terms of resources: population base, revenue, facilites, etc.
He had two handouts which I will scan and post when I get to my office Friday AM. One was a bar graph of budgets of the SEC schools. The other was a bullet point list of how hunky-dory everything is on the hill.
At the end of his speech, he actually offered to take questions. I waited to see what would happen before I jumped in...crickets. I'm telling you a frikking tumbleweed blew through that banquet room. So, I raised my hand...
Me: Who EXACTLY are the experts who told you that a spread offense would not work in the SEC?
JFB: I never said it wouldn't work.
Me: Yes sir, you did. You are on record in interviews that it won't work without a running quarterback.
JFB: Well, I've been coaching 60 years and I know that no matter what your offense, if you have the best players, any offense will work.
There was little bit of back and forth, then JFB told us that we lost to the #1, #3, #5 and #6 teams. I said "When can we expect to win those games? Hooten Nutt was 2-4 against ranked opponents this year and 12-25 since he got here."
JFB answered by saying that in the LSU, Florida and Wisconsin games that our offense and defense played welll enough to win, but our special teams failed and that's why we lost. To which I said, "Then will there be a change at Special Teams Coach position?"
JFB said, "I hope he'll make a change."
JFB went on to say that because we rank so low among SEC schools in resources (again the 7th, 8th or 9th thing) that Arkansas will never be able to attract a top coach. I jumped back in with, "We got YOU. You were the number one coach in the country."
About this time some guy jumped in and said, "Let someone else ask a question." I said, "Jump in anytime, folks."
So another guy did jump in and got after JFB about how could we let Malzahn go, how could we let Mustain go, etc. This quickly degenerated into the questioner (I'll let him identify himself if he so chooses) saying that Gus was lied to and that everyone at the GDRC golf tournament was lied to when Nutt pointed at Gus and said 'that man right there will be calling the plays.'
JFB said Gus called 100% of the plays. The questioner said he thought that was a lie, it was obvious who was in charge of the offense. At this point JFB pretty well blew. He was pointing his finger at the man saying "You are the liar, You are the liar! I was there I know who called the plays! Were you there? I was there!"
And here a lady jumped in with words to the effect of "Are tyhese boys getting an education? Are these boys being taugt to be men and to be fathers? Yes, they are."
And right there, Nolan Duck, the MC for Dallas Alumni Chapter, jumped in and shut it down. He tried to move the program forward, but JFB was off the stage, mic off his lapel, still arguing with the guy. Duck fially got it back on the tracks and they proceeded with handing out the awards.
I will say this: During the social hour before the dinner, during the dinner and in the minutes after the program ended, there was a lot of talk about all these problems, etc. But, not surprisingly, when the floor was opened for questions, few had the stones to jump in.
That's about as much as I remember right now, as clearly as I remember it. It got pretty exciting, so if anybody else that was there remembers anything else, please help me out.
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Just got back from the Gala. Wow, I actually thought Frank and this dude were about to come to blows. The people that were there can back me up on that. This guy said that that GM did not call all the plays, then Frank pointed at him and called him a liar and said that he did indeed call every play. Frank said that Arkansas would never had a top notch headcoach. FB said that a running type qb is the only way to win because the o-line has to "double block". Makes a peson wonder why we recruited MM, Gus, and all those receives (and Casey Dick) if we needed a running qb. It does not add up.
Frank discussed the S'dale parents meeting, and said they wanted to discuss their seats (said they were promised seats on the 40, and theirs were on the 10 yard line). Said they also wanted to discuss tutors, and only one person wanted to discuss football. He all but said that it was GM fault because he did not stop the players parents from coming to discuss things with FB.
To summarize:
(1) Our 82-year old AD shook his finger in the face of one of our fans and called him a liar (twice);
(2) Admitted that the parent meeting was about things like curfew and tutoring;
(3) Said that he hoped Nutt would make a change on who would coach our special teams; and
(4) Stated that Arkansas would never be able to attract a top-flight coach.
Can we get him without his mother and grandmother? Probably not, I think it comes as a Mustain set.
Nice site. It looks like a 7th grader made it in EAST lab.
Wow, that letter to Wally Hall...wow...
Definitely reeks of something. I won't say what.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
He said Gus left because Gus wants to run his own offense.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
JFB repeatedly stated that Gus called "All" of the plays. There was no doubt about this. He called ALL of the plays.
Does anyone else see the inconsistency here?
Why does Gus leave because he "wants to run his own offense" if he "called all the plays". But by all means Hog fans, continue to eat what is being spoon fed.
If Frank can referr to Blacks as the "N-word" in room with black athletes do you honestly believe he would have a problem calling someone a liar? Everyone is jumping on the fire Nutt campaign how is it that every sports scandal up at the hill directly involves Frank! Even before Nutt got on the hill Frank has been the center piece of nearly every scandal up there. I do realize that as AD your are going to get involved that is the nature of the job. However, If you are the cause of the termoil....
I am late on this topic. Was it proven to come from ANY of the Nutts? I read it. It sounds like a frat guy, impersonating one of the Nutts. I almost pi$$ed in my britches because I was imagining Nutt's wife telling MM that.
Seems as if he has changed his mind in the past 2 days. Him meeting to address the team is true.
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 19, 2007, 12:48:11 pm
Wow, that letter to Wally Hall...wow...
Definitely reeks of something. I won't say what.
You referring to this email to Wally Hall from Theressa ?
http://arsportstalk.net/smf/index.php?topic=8126.0
Quote from: Cure™ on January 19, 2007, 12:54:53 pm
Seems as if he has changed his mind in the past 2 days. Him meeting to address the team is true.
I think it has alot to do with two things.
1: He didnt request the release..his mother did..Per Harry King
2: A couple of schools have refused to take him and he must attend spring semester somewhere.
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 19, 2007, 12:57:22 pm
Quote from: Cure™ on January 19, 2007, 12:54:53 pm
Seems as if he has changed his mind in the past 2 days. Him meeting to address the team is true.
I think it has alot to do with two things.
1: He didnt request the release..his mother did..Per Harry King
2: A couple of schools have refused to take him and he must attend spring semester somewhere.
1.True
2. Also true to a point. More schools contacted him than what the media said.
Check my posts, I've stated time and time again that Mitch wanted to be a hog all alone, its just that the media has slandered his name and it practically made it impossible for him to do anything, unless he came out publicly..and he's not the type of guy to do that.
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 12:02:15 pm
a couple of whiners who probably didn't fit into the program's plans in the first place
If they didn't fit the plans, they should have been told that. This has put a serious taint on what could have been a good career for Mustain at a good school that actually wanted to feature him.
WOW what a bombshell...awesome posts, folks. Has anybody reported on any of this?
That's the one, RT.
Makes me proud to be from Booneville.
The kid could still "play this right" with the following statement:
The past few days have been filled with grief, turmoil, sadness, and regret. I would like to address the situation with Coach Malzahn. I wish him the best of luck. He has been a vital role in my personal and athletic venue. He will succeed at Tulsa, I have no doubts. As for myself, I did ask for, and receive my release from the University of Arkansas. But after days of second guessing, soul searching, and prayer, I realized I not only acted out of spite, and possibly anger, but out of selfishness. From day one, I have always wanted to be a Razorback, and I want to continue to be just that. I wholeheartedly pledge my support and effort into the Razorbacks. I want to do what is in my power, to win the starting job, help Darren McFadden win the Heisman, and guide the Razorbacks to both a Conference Championship, and hopefully a National Championship before I graduate. I look forward to working with Coach Lee, Coach Nutt, and representing the Razorbacks on and off the field.
Man wouldn't that sound nice . . . he'd be an icon, a God, we'd forget all about his momma, and grandmommma, all about the $6,000 shoes, all about everything . . .
At this point he's too far gone in the eyes of his peers and he'll never achieve his potential at Arkansas. He needs to go. Why won't Tulsa take him? Or does he just not want to go there?
i don't think that the ad buyers care if it affects recruiting. In fact I'm sure that they view that as a side benefit. The whole point is to get Houston Nutt to leave, and if he can't recruit successfully here anymore, he won't be able to win and that will mean that he WILL leave. One way or another.
If he comes back..I say make him sit a year on the scout team to prove he wants to be a Razorback...reasoning...I saw it happen with one of our HS players...he quit the team..came back and asked to get back on the team..they put him on the Scout team with no game time for a year...and he was the starting QB his Sr year...and did a fine job.
He proved he wanted to be a team player..and was rewarded.If MM can do the same..I believe he will not only be a great Razorback..but will win over his teammates and the fans who dont trust him.
Not bad. I like the call out of people that think the add is horrible. Then pay $5K and write your own ad.
I say reinstate him and tell him and Dick to both work as hard as they can to earn the starting job both on and off the field. The rest will work itself out.
Oh and you were there on the sideline .. you KNOWFOR A FACT? Get real !! This is the part I hate, "all the know-it-alls" .... unless you have PROOF - keep your mouth shut !
Quote from: Razoryager on January 19, 2007, 12:34:55 pm
Johnson was a sacrificial lamb for USC. He wasn't going to remain the starter regardless of what he did. That being said, I think he is going to make an excellent posession reciever and have a decent career. And for how he has handled this entire situation, he will be long remembered as someone who handled a bad situation with grace and showed class in a period of AR football that had its share of turmoil. I think the kid is great and I hope he is all SEC next year.
Well said.
Unbelievable.
I knew this was gonna be a soap opera during the last days of his recruitment.
He milked that pub. for all it was worth.
What did the General say about the Idiot?
Quote from: KingoftheHILL on January 19, 2007, 09:35:56 am
I never read the idiot. I think Bob Knight got it right about him!
Im hearing that some of the players are very leary about bringing him back..said that he has burned them too many times already.
I don't blame them. I know the going to battle phrase is over-used and inappropriate, but I don't want to go to battle with anyone half-hearted, much less the leader.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 19, 2007, 12:50:50 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
He said Gus left because Gus wants to run his own offense.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
JFB repeatedly stated that Gus called "All" of the plays. There was no doubt about this. He called ALL of the plays.
Does anyone else see the inconsistency here?
Why does Gus leave because he "wants to run his own offense" if he "called all the plays". But by all means Hog fans, continue to eat what is being spoon fed.
There have been a number of seemingly contradictory statements from Broyles and Nutt. You just have to read between the lines. Both of them have said that Gus called all of the plays. What they don't say is that it wouldn't matter who called the plays, it was still Nutt's offense.
Wasn't crying partner just looking for an explanation. There is a difference.
A $5000(?) ad versus the donation of one major donor.
Keep trying.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 19, 2007, 01:36:46 pm
Oh and you were there on the sideline .. you KNOWFOR A FACT? Get real !! This is the part I hate, "all the know-it-alls" .... unless you have PROOF - keep your mouth shut !
Proof?!
Gus leaves the University of Arkansas, where he won the National Offensive Coordinator of the Year Award, and helped lead the Razorbacks to a 10 win season and an SEC Western Division Crown. He accepted a job offer at the University of Tulsa to be the Co-Offensive coordinator for "
a chance to call the plays".
You be the judge.
Here's the article:
Here's everything I know about the now infamous ad:
It was paid for.
That's all I know.
I'm not saying this because ads help pay my salary, which they do for everyone at this newspaper, but to be perfectly honest I didn't see that much wrong with it.
I thought it was tasteful, wellworded and meaningful, which is what the ad department shoots for with all its ads.
The half-pager Thursday did not demand a firing or point fingers. It simply said thanks and asked that Frank Broyles and Houston Nutt consider stepping down.
I checked with John Mobbs, our longtime advertising director, and he said if someone wanted to buy an ad that supported Broyles and Nutt they would be treated with the same courtesy and professionalism as the person (or persons, for all I know ) who bought the ad that said "It's Time For A Change".
Mobbs then admitted a person had called and asked if an ad could be bought that stated: Wally Hall is an idiot.
Of course, that would not be tasteful and Mobbs said "I offered her a discount."
He then, thankfully, broke into a hearty laugh.
While this may be the first time someone was serious enough to plunk down some serious change, this is not the first time that a group has felt it was time for Broyles and / or Nutt to go, and it won't be the last.
A couple of years ago a run was made at Broyles, who is 82 years old, but one of the people, a former UA athlete who was supposed to be in favor of it (he thought he was going to be the interim AD ), turned on the group late that day and informed someone who then called Jim Lindsey, who was and is on the board but was out of town that day.
The story goes that Lindsey told Chancellor John White it would cost him his job if he let it happen.
Whatever was said, the coup was stopped.
Understand, Lindsey, a very successful businessman, played for Broyles and probably has more respect for the director of athletics than anyone.
Lindsey played in the NFL after college and is believed to have invested heavily in real estate in the Fayetteville area.
In other words, he swings a big bat.
Not a word is being said by Lindsey or anyone else on the board about this latest fan fever to get rid of Broyles.
In fact, the unrest now may have more to do with Nutt than his boss.
Understand, too, this latest sense of a need for a change is not just because Gus Malzahn left.
It is not just because freshmen Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain asked for their releases.
It is not just because the Razorbacks football team lost its last three games, including to Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl.
It is not just because the lack of a passing attack made the Razorbacks predictable.
It is a combination of all those, and maybe more that has yet to be revealed.
All of those have to do with Nutt as the head coach and with Broyles because he has Nutt's back.
Nutt has wisely included Broyles in all his plans since he arrived and meets with him regularly.
In other words, they have a good working relationship and no one can get to Nutt without going through Broyles.
Broyles, of course, has proven to be untouchable in a career that is in its 50 th year with the UA.
Plus, where do you find someone to replace him ?
It would be a blood bath as candidates lobbied long and hard for the prestigious job that has some very nice perks.
The ad that ran in Thursday's paper indicates someone is willing to put their money where their mouth is, and if someone wants to run a different type of ad, come on down, unless of course you want to tell the world I'm an idiot.
QuoteConsidering that his starting job was unfairly snatched from him
Sounds like something that happened to another QB on the Hill but everyone was fine and dandy with that move.
QuoteRobert Johnson was horrible. He recieved a second chance that he didn't deserve by starting the USC game, which I told anyone who would listen that he would tank. He did, and we got killed.
He did better in that game than Mitch did in some of his against lesser teams.
As far as the Vandy game goes his stats looked good based on 2 very lucky things happening. The refs blew his backwards throw that was about to be returned for a TD and a Vandy defender dropped a pass that was right in his hands that would have been returned. He stunk in that game also he just got bailed out by sheer luck. In the end though the facts have been spoken. As they always are as per the WT bottle.
... and that is proof to what ? Malzahn HIMSELF said he called that play, (pass on 4th down) he saw something he thought would work ... it didn't !!
All those credentials mean nothing as to who called the plays !!
David Lee said it best... "I'm calling the plays, if Houston asks me for a run, I'll have three or four plays ready, if he asks for a pass, I'll have three or four plays ready ... that's what a OC does!" If you think an OC has free reign, you are SADLY MISTAKEN.
Was disappointed she took a shot at ATU. Another good e-mail though.
^^^^^^^^^ Im wit it!!!!^^^^^^^^
USC Game Stats;
Rojo 12-25-110 yds 1 int 1Td
MM 4-6-47 yds 1 int 1 td.
Additional highlights:
-Rojo was 7-7 for 63 yards on the 13 play 80 yard drive when he scored a td to make the score 13-7. There were a couple of dropped passes during the game.
-Once the game got out hand neither player had enough skill or players for UA to make a comeback passing the ball which is why Rojos numbers fell off after a good start cause USC knew we were passing.
-MM did his damage against subs also threw his int against subs.
-USC scored I believe 19 points off turnovers that is what got UA beat not the play of Rojo or for that matter MM!
Based upon those facts I can't see how you make the decision that Rojo should be benched in favor of MM! I could see maybe splitting time with MM in upcoming games. There was absolutely nothing in MM performance that says he EARNED a starting position. On the flip side toward the end there was nothing in Casey Dicks performance that says he EARNED the right to receive all the playing time at QB. I have never said Rojo was the best QB only that if your assessment is that he played like crap then you must also come to the same conclusion that MM played like crap. My issues is why was Rojos crappy play so much more worse to deal with than MM? Or why was CD's crappy play so much better than MM's crappy play! We will never know but I think Arkansas finished 10-4 regardless of which 3 QB's started!
Quote from: Cure™ on January 19, 2007, 01:00:38 pm
Quote from: Rison Tradition on January 19, 2007, 12:57:22 pm
Quote from: Cure™ on January 19, 2007, 12:54:53 pm
Seems as if he has changed his mind in the past 2 days. Him meeting to address the team is true.
I think it has alot to do with two things.
1: He didnt request the release..his mother did..Per Harry King
2: A couple of schools have refused to take him and he must attend spring semester somewhere.
1.True
If it is true that it was his mom that requested the release, why did he not speak up and say "No, I want to stay here. I don't want to go anywhere else." I know that it is hard to go aganist family sometimes, but eventuslly you have to talk for yourself and do things for yourself.
Quote from: humbleme on January 19, 2007, 11:57:27 am
I'm definitely a SUPPORTER of the Hogs. No, I do not like all that is going on right now, but it WILL bring the Boys closer together. I even go on the road to support the HOGS. I think the majority of Arkansans support them in a "root for them way". The only thing I would like to change right now is for Broyles to retire. I like all the coaches but feel like Broyles has outlived his effectiveness and he has been very effective. I do feel a new AD would allow us to keep some of our money in AR and help some of our lower tier Div. I schools in the state by playing them and allowing the attendance figures to go to them. I.E. play UCA and ASU at War Memorial instead of TRoy and L. Lafayette.
Man, I agree with you for the most part. I just can't help but believe that the entire UA nation would heal quicker, and get on the right track if HDN would take a job somewhere else. I don't say that as an indictment of him, I think he has done about a C+ to B- over his tenure. I just think the loss of credibility/control [whether real or imagined] is going to set us back in many areas. I hope I'm wrong, he pulls a Nolan and circles the wagons with an us against the world
mentality, and rights the ship. Regardless, my children and my money will continue to funnel to fayetteville to support the program.
Quote from: HA_Fan™ on January 19, 2007, 12:50:50 pm
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
He said Gus left because Gus wants to run his own offense.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:04:49 am
JFB repeatedly stated that Gus called "All" of the plays. There was no doubt about this. He called ALL of the plays.
Does anyone else see the inconsistency here?
Why does Gus leave because he "wants to run his own offense" if he "called all the plays". But by all means Hog fans, continue to eat what is being spoon fed.
He leaves because the plays he called were not his offense, but plays assembled from the staff.
Johnson didn't get screwed. He got introduced to the business that is DI athletics.
He took it like a man.
Unlike some of his "teammates".
He was the sacrificial lamb so Mitch would not have be thrown to the wolves. Holding him out of the USC game because he was a freshman is just a pansy excuse. If he was good enough to start the next 8 in a row he was ready for that one. They just knew he would be exposed completely. Heck Utah State held him in check. Is it any wonder that the coaches knew it would just blow him out of the water if he had played in that game. Thing is he only had a pair of birkenstocks to wear in the USC. Thats a fact. Or at least that is what I was told. Now thats a fact.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:07:34 am
When you're finished, go back and read the part about the Springdale parents. Broyles stated that football and the direction of the offense was a very small part of the meeting.
I can hear it now "B-b-b-but the parents tried to meddle by meeting with Frank!" Not true.
Folks, I've been saying it for weeks. I told you, I told you, I told you that those parents were being slandered and lied about.
I was right, and I have been right all along. Those of you ripping the parents have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
After all, the AD himself said otherwise.
You think all the administration at UA lies all the time though.
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 19, 2007, 01:03:31 pm
WOW what a bombshell...awesome posts, folks. Has anybody reported on any of this?
All this is on the Internet,,, it has to be true. Ivan would not say something that was inflammatory and unproven just to further undermine the program,,,, wait, what am I saying,,, of course he would.
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 03:37:08 pm
Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight, er, discussion. My money goes to FSU. Before anyone decides to chastise me for not being loyal to my state, understand that I have my reasons, and they center around a good deed done by Mr. Bowden.
Yes, that good deed. Is that kidney he gave you still working?
Quote from: sam on January 19, 2007, 02:58:31 pm
Quote from: Nolefan_11 on January 17, 2007, 03:37:08 pm
Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight, er, discussion. My money goes to FSU. Before anyone decides to chastise me for not being loyal to my state, understand that I have my reasons, and they center around a good deed done by Mr. Bowden.
Yes, that good deed. Is that kidney he gave you still working?
Works as good as the day I got it.
Heard it from a good source early this morning 'Stain is thinking of coming back to the team and the BUZZ reported as much prior to lunch today. It's been reported the team members will make the decision if he'll be "allowed" back. I had a similar experience with a player in youth sports and once the kid came back he worked his butt off in what I imagine was motivated by his desire to prove he belonged. Hope 'Stain has the same attitude if he returns. That being said, I can't imagine how well he'd have to do at UA for the fans to "forget" the stain he's brought upon the program with his indecision(s). He's a young kid and much of that can be chalked up to youth. Wonder if the same indecision(s) on the field hampered his progress on claiming sole spot as starting QB. Like any young manning playing college sports I wish him well.
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 19, 2007, 03:09:15 pm
I hope the players dont take him back, he thought he could do better somewhere else, and nobody bit on it, so now he wants to come back. No thanks good riddance!!!
Aw, come on Pete, you're just ticked 'cause ya couldn't get him to come out there with D Williams....LOL.
If they let him back it will send a message out to other players saying its ok to get a release and than comeback three days later.
Mitch is a good QB he asked for his release and shouldn't be able to come back. He should go somewhere else.
Stick to the topic. No need to bash Nutt in this thread. There are plenty out there for that already. -RHS
Title is a little misleading, since he isn't actually back. I think if the team takes him back, they will have some stipulations for him.
Also, if you are a player that gets to vote on this, what is going through your head? Do you want a player back that not only quit and walked out this time, but did the same thing during his recruitment? Are you confident that in a tough situation he will be able to lead you down the field?
Quote from: Pete Carroll on January 19, 2007, 03:09:15 pm
I hope the players dont take him back, he thought he could do better somewhere else, and nobody bit on it, so now he wants to come back. No thanks good riddance!!!
i hope he does come back, he was promised everything by houston nutt and he got screwed.
Quote from: Hawk_Fan_2 on January 19, 2007, 03:17:03 pm
i hope he does come back, he was promised everything by houston nutt and he got screwed.
And twice now he has quit, or tried, but wants to come back. You don't know what he said to Mustain either.
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 18, 2007, 06:10:03 pm
Quote from: endrun on January 18, 2007, 02:23:25 pm
You really think the 3 state championships won at Shiloh against 2AA teams was not with superior talent? Silly boy. all the post on here of the players off those teams that went on to colleges.
Malzahn had ONE big contributor at Shiloh who accepted a college scholarship, and that was Cole McNair, and he went to Tulsa. (sound familiar?) I know of no others. Walk-ons (Rhett Lashlee and Josh Floyd) do not count.
If you know of others, name them.
Shiloh was far outclassed athletically against Junction City in 1999. It wasn't even close on pure talent. Same thing when Shiloh played Rison the next year. And Barton. And on and on.
You've got no clue what you're talking about.
Well, my friend, on an old post on this board some very rabid SCS supporters have been known to post the great shiloh players that got scholarships going back to Malzahn's earliest teams, so either they don't know, they lied or you don't have a clue. As for the Rison game, I saw that one up close and personal and no, Rison didn't have Shiloh outmanned hands down.
Kinda brought him back down to earth with some other colleges saying NO to him coming in. I don't think it is as much him as it is his spokespeople he has surrounded himself with!!
RoJo was set up to fail. If that had happened to MM he would have pouted or quit. RoJo took it like a man (as well as up the backside) and came back to see another day.
Quote from: Razoryager on January 19, 2007, 12:34:55 pm
Johnson was a sacrificial lamb for USC. He wasn't going to remain the starter regardless of what he did. That being said, I think he is going to make an excellent posession reciever and have a decent career. And for how he has handled this entire situation, he will be long remembered as someone who handled a bad situation with grace and showed class in a period of AR football that had its share of turmoil. I think the kid is great and I hope he is all SEC next year.
I know some coaches that say quit once and they will let you come back, but quit again and you would never play for them again.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:25:01 am
Johnson won it by default, being that the starter was injured, and they didn't want to throw a true freshman with no starts out there.
The only reason Johnson got the start was because of experience. Not of merit.
I'm not doubting his sportsmanship. He's a heckuva team player. But as a QB, he was utterly pathetic. And he had no respectable performance against USC. It was typical Johnson.
Is that not considered player bashing? People say that about Mustain and you said it isn't needed. If I was to go on Hogville and say that about Mustain or Williams I would be banned for sure.
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 19, 2007, 01:36:46 pm
Oh and you were there on the sideline .. you KNOWFOR A FACT? Get real !! This is the part I hate, "all the know-it-alls" .... unless you have PROOF - keep your mouth shut !
I will not shut my mouth....being the bull-headed, stubborn ex-sailor that I am, you make me inclined to say even more.
I wasn't ON the sideline, but I was about 3 rows up. I saw the body language between Gus and HDN on that 4th down play against LSU. Nutt called 85% of the plays those last 3 ballgames.
Now, shut me up. >:( >:(
I hope he goes to OU and wins the Heisman. Stay out Mitch.
At this point you can pretty much rule him coming back out.
Mustain stays at UA as student only (Click to read) (http://www.knwa.com/razorbacks/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=1896)
Don't know if this was already posted saw it on knwa.com
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE LEAVING THE HOG FOOTBALL PROGRAM, MITCH MUSTAIN HAS SPOKEN ON THE RECORD REGARDING HIS FUTURE PLANS.
IN A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH OUR BO MATTINGLY EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, MUSTAIN MADE THIS STATEMENT:
"I AM RE-ENROLLING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS BUT NOT ON SCHOLARSHIP. I HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS TO CONSIDER AND DON'T WANT TO RUSH THE DECISION CONCERNING MY FUTURE.
I HAVE NO PLANS TO RETURN TO THE ARKANSAS FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT THIS TIME. I JUST WANT TO STAY IN SCHOOL WHILE I MAKE THIS DECISION."
MUSTAIN ALSO TOLD MATTINGLY THAT HE'S RECEIVED INTEREST FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES INCLUDING TULSA AND USC.
Not a good move to miss off-season and spring workouts. Even if he was only to be a tackling dummy wherever he transferred, he should have gone. If he is going to do this, he should have stayed on the team and taken his shot at being #1.
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 03:34:43 pm
Not a good move to miss off-season and spring workouts. Even if he was only to be a tackling dummy wherever he transferred, he should have gone. If he is going to do this, he should have stayed on the team and taken his shot at being #1.
He has to sit out a year. He can work out in the fall and next spring. He can't be a #1 until 2008.
He doesn't want to back on the team. He just knows that it's a little late to be enrolling at a another school. He's going to finish out this semester as a student w/o the scholarship. That will give him time to look over all of his options instead of being rushed into making a choice right now.
The greatest turmoil is yet to come for Razorback football. Robert is more man than all the Springdale heard put together. As for the offense, when the head coach finally decides to quit playing musical quarterbacks we may have some good results. Putting in a guy to run and then putting in a guy to pass and then putting in a decoy wont win you crap in the SEC, West Champions or not. A three game losing streak is proof of that. If care is not taken it will be four or more.
Quote from: gatecrasherfan on January 19, 2007, 03:25:40 pm
Quote from: MrOfficial on January 19, 2007, 01:36:46 pm
Oh and you were there on the sideline .. you KNOWFOR A FACT? Get real !! This is the part I hate, "all the know-it-alls" .... unless you have PROOF - keep your mouth shut !
I will not shut my mouth....being the bull-headed, stubborn ex-sailor that I am, you make me inclined to say even more.
I wasn't ON the sideline, but I was about 3 rows up. I saw the body language between Gus and HDN on that 4th down play against LSU. Nutt called 85% of the plays those last 3 ballgames.
Now, shut me up. >:( >:(
Body language expert sailor. Lofty credentials. I now believe everything you say.
Ok, I know this is going to sound like bashing but I mean it as an observation.
I think he probably found out he is somewhat damaged goods, his ego and leadership qualities may be in question. From what I understand he was turned down by several programs when inquiries were made on his behalf and I don't think he wants to move down in classification.
I bet he just now is realizing he has to sit out a year if he moves to DI, adn that he will be in a worse situation as far as earning a starting spot.
Not being on scholarhip and not being in a spring program will also hurt his development. Best thing he coud do is go humbley back to UA and ask for forgiveness for his lack of judgement, do a Bill Clinton and reinvent himself. After that maybe he could put this behind him. He will not have Gus's coattail to ride, no-one can accuse him of playing for that reason, and anything he does will be pretty much because he has to work for it and earn it and the respect of his teammates.
So even if he did decide today that he wanted to play for the razorbacks and the other players voted to allow him to be reinstated, would he still be forced to sit out this year because he was granted a release?
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 03:34:43 pm
Not a good move to miss off-season and spring workouts. Even if he was only to be a tackling dummy wherever he transferred, he should have gone. If he is going to do this, he should have stayed on the team and taken his shot at being #1.
Poor game management for a QB wouldn't you say?
Quote from: endrun on January 19, 2007, 03:40:41 pm
Ok, I know this is going to sound like bashing but I mean it as an observation.
I think he probably found out he is somewhat damaged goods, his ego and leadership qualities may be in question. From what I understand he was turned down by several programs when inquiries were made on his behalf and I don't think he wants to move down in classification.
I bet he just now is realizing he has to sit out a year if he moves to DI, adn that he will be in a worse situation as far as earning a starting spot.
Not being on scholarhip and not being in a spring program will also hurt his development. Best thing he coud do is go humbley back to UA and ask for forgiveness for his lack of judgement, do a Bill Clinton and reinvent himself. After that maybe he could put this behind him. He will not have Gus's coattail to ride, no-one can accuse him of playing for that reason, and anything he does will be pretty much because he has to work for it and earn it and the respect of his teammates.
I believe that if he sits down like a man (that means without Mama) and talks to Coach Nutt and Coach Lee about what it would take to come back, they would support him. Then, I think he would have to address the team in a team only meeting. Let them decide. I think they would welcome him back. It would depend on how he addressed it. I just hate to see him waste an off-season and spring practice. If he does that he will be behind whenever he does restart. ONe thing about it, the Malzahn pressure would be off. The pressure to play him even though he wasn't ready would be off Coach Nutt and maybe our own expectations would be less. I think a combination of those things is what this kid needs.
The only thing I find here worth commenting on is, the only reason Nutt is responsible for 400% savings since coming to Arkansas is the fact that Nolen was tared and featherd out off the hill, that's where your savings came from.
Maybe nobody knew they didn't fit the plans until they arrived on campus and started practice. I think Williams certainly would have worked. But Mustain must not be the QB we thought he was. I think that recruiting is often a crapshoot. And, from both sides. I'm sure these guys weren't the first ever recruited where the coach realized he might have overrated and I'm sure these aren't the first guys to ever go to a school and then realize it was wrong for them. That doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. It just means that one or both sides made a mistake in the process.
I think asking the team may be a bad idea if that is the only basis, Nutt and Lee and the rest of the staff have to want him first. Then go let him make his pitch to the team, if they are ok, then fine, if they don't want him , don't take him.
If he has received interest..then why is he not going to one of them schools?
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 03:59:17 pm
Maybe nobody knew they didn't fit the plans until they arrived on campus and started practice. I think Williams certainly would have worked. But Mustain must not be the QB we thought he was. I think that recruiting is often a crapshoot. And, from both sides. I'm sure these guys weren't the first ever recruited where the coach realized he might have overrated and I'm sure these aren't the first guys to ever go to a school and then realize it was wrong for them. That doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. It just means that one or both sides made a mistake in the process.
I buy your logic for some run of the mill recruit you pickup at the last minute. Not the Gatorade Player of the year, consensus all-American, USA Today number 1 QB in the country. When he grew up 10 miles from your campus.
The majority will always say the UofA must have screwed up with him. How can such a highly rated person not work out. I'm just saying that will be the perception which is all that matters. If he goes on to fail it will be the UofA screwed up his college start. You can bet his mother will tell everyone that.
Quote from: mack on January 19, 2007, 02:55:17 pm
Quote from: Heath Waldrop on January 19, 2007, 01:03:31 pm
WOW what a bombshell...awesome posts, folks. Has anybody reported on any of this?
All this is on the Internet,,, it has to be true. Ivan would not say something that was inflammatory and unproven just to further undermine the program,,,, wait, what am I saying,,, of course he would.
Ivan may have been wrong in the past...but this one happened.
Just heard there was no meeting with the team and Mustain. If there was a meeting it didn't envolve Mustain.
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:07:34 am
When you're finished, go back and read the part about the Springdale parents. Broyles stated that football and the direction of the offense was a very small part of the meeting.
I can hear it now "B-b-b-but the parents tried to meddle by meeting with Frank!" Not true.
Folks, I've been saying it for weeks. I told you, I told you, I told you that those parents were being slandered and lied about.
I was right, and I have been right all along. Those of you ripping the parents have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
After all, the AD himself said otherwise.
Ok Ivan,
Aside from Cleveland's father, why the heck would Beck Campbell release a statement that "all parties agreed that it is the right of the head coach to decide the direction of the offense?" Answer me that one Ivan. Either she was up there meddling, or she flat out lied about what was going on in the meeting. Either way, she's an idiot who should just stay quiet, kinda like you. you are so full of yourself it is sickening.
Also, I love how you always provide all this "verified" information, but never give a single shred of evidence to back any of it up. With all the connections you have, perhaps you should look into a job in sports journalism. You'd get the pulitzer every friggin year.
Most colleges have already started, and the last day to enrolled at the universities have passed, that would be the only reason i could see that he would return.
No meeting because Mustain was not allowed to rejoin the team..period..end of story.Red23 I believe you posted a link to Mustain saying he was enrolled at the U of A but not on the team.Mustain and Nutt were seen together in the Student Union talking..
The sad thing is if MM stays around the rest of the semester we are stuck, whether we like it or not, with a soap opera. MM please just move on and don't put us through anymore. I know he is only a 19 YO kid but still he is old enough to make his own decisions with his family input, but don't hold Razorback nation hostage with constant turmoil. We are ready to move on and get closer as a fan base and a team and we need healing NOT dissension!
So, you're saying a 19 year old kid shouldn't go to college because he'll bring drama? Mustain getting an education should be above all of his other issues.
I guess he'll be staying at home now. Must be nice to have some cut your steak up for you.
Let him stay as a walk-on place kicker.
He would have to be out of his mind to stay at this point.
Thanks for the article Cure. I thought it was pretty good...nothing special...
Good read.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.asp?ID=070119_Sp_B1_Unres46716_0
I think he is out of his mind to even stay as a student. Not worth it after all the media attention. Go take some University of Phoenix online classes or something, man.
Quote from: mack on January 17, 2007, 08:27:48 am
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 16, 2007, 11:25:04 pm
Quote from: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:11:57 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones enough said.
to Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa boards.
To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.
Enough said.
It scares me that guys like you are protecting our country.
That really hurts coming from someone as highly intellectual as you. ::)
Here is something to think about.
Will Mustang end up going to Arkansas state just like Nutt did when he was a QB in the 70's ?
Nutt played four games I believe as the starting QB when Ron Calcagni was hurt. Ron Calcagni got his starting job back. Nutt transferred to Arkansas State.
Is there any chances of Mustang will go to Arkansas State ?
By the way did anybody hear the lasted news about Ron Calcagni is now coaching high school football in Arkansas ? ;D
El Dorado?
Good for him and the program!!
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 19, 2007, 09:46:25 pm
Here is something to think about.
Will Mustang end up going to Arkansas state just like Nutt did when he was a QB in the 70's ?
Nutt played four games I believe as the starting QB when Ron Calcagni was hurt. Ron Calcagni got his starting job back. Nutt transferred to Arkansas State.
Is there any chances of Mustang will go to Arkansas State ?
By the way did anybody hear the lasted news about Ron Calcagni is now coaching high school football in Arkansas ? He will be introduce the new head coach at....... Well, you just have to wait until Monday to find out where he will be headed. ;D If you would like to know you could PM me. ;)
where has he been coaching in the past years?
Quote from: President Ivan on January 19, 2007, 01:07:34 am
When you're finished, go back and read the part about the Springdale parents. Broyles stated that football and the direction of the offense was a very small part of the meeting.
I can hear it now "B-b-b-but the parents tried to meddle by meeting with Frank!" Not true.
Folks, I've been saying it for weeks. I told you, I told you, I told you that those parents were being slandered and lied about.
I was right, and I have been right all along. Those of you ripping the parents have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
After all, the AD himself said otherwise.
So you can brag about saying you told us about the parents, but what about the play calling? I have been telling you Gus called all the plays. Broyles just said Malzahn has been calling all the plays. But I am sure that is not true. The parents part is, but not the play calling part.
Just wondering, where does this rank on most popular threads in Fearless history. I've never seen any approach 1300 responses or 12,000 views, even if it is a heap thread....
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 19, 2007, 09:46:25 pm
Here is something to think about.
Will Mustang end up going to Arkansas state just like Nutt did when he was a QB in the 70's ?
Nutt played four games I believe as the starting QB when Ron Calcagni was hurt. Ron Calcagni got his starting job back. Nutt transferred to Arkansas State.
Is there any chances of Mustang will go to Arkansas State ?
By the way did anybody hear the lasted news about Ron Calcagni is now coaching high school football in Arkansas ? ;D
This post is as true as about 95% of the others posted in the last few days.
I think a good deal of your posts count towards that 95%.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 20, 2007, 12:17:43 am
I think a good deal of your posts count towards that 95%.
I think the point flew over your head like most of Mustain's passes over his receivers.
Quote from: invictus on January 20, 2007, 12:23:15 am
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 20, 2007, 12:17:43 am
I think a good deal of your posts count towards that 95%.
I think the point flew over your head like most of Mustain's passes over his receivers.
Actually it didn't. Most of your posts were just as idiotic and factless as the one you mentioned.
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 20, 2007, 03:33:31 am
Quote from: invictus on January 20, 2007, 12:23:15 am
Quote from: FF Chief of Staff of the Air Force JBELL on January 20, 2007, 12:17:43 am
I think a good deal of your posts count towards that 95%.
I think the point flew over your head like most of Mustain's passes over his receivers.
Actually it didn't. Most of your posts were just as idiotic and factless as the one you mentioned.
You're still missing it like a Damien Williams dropped pass. You have to think deep, but I've noticed your posts and that's not likely to happen.
Quote from: invictus on January 19, 2007, 11:58:15 pm
Quote from: TheBigShot on January 19, 2007, 09:46:25 pm
Here is something to think about.
Will Mustang end up going to Arkansas state just like Nutt did when he was a QB in the 70's ?
Nutt played four games I believe as the starting QB when Ron Calcagni was hurt. Ron Calcagni got his starting job back. Nutt transferred to Arkansas State.
Is there any chances of Mustang will go to Arkansas State ?
By the way did anybody hear the lasted news about Ron Calcagni is now coaching high school football in Arkansas ? ;D
This post is as true as about 95% of the others posted in the last few days.
How can you take anyone serious that doesn't even know how to spell the player's name?
"Mustain."
Can someone, that knows Mustain, please tell me one thing. Is he as scatterbrain as he appears. I just get the impression that there is a logical explanation for his decisions the past year. I got the impression, when he changed hid mind about coming here, he never wanted to be a razorback. Why do you think he even considered coming here in the first place. He never really appeared to be very happy at UA.
Please, I don't want to here from people that are speculating like me. If you know this young man personally, tell me what he may be thinking.
Quote from: xtremewildcat on January 20, 2007, 12:16:14 pm
Can someone, that knows Mustain, please tell me one thing. Is he as scatterbrain as he appears. I just get the impression that there is a logical explanation for his decisions the past year. I got the impression, when he changed hid mind about coming here, he never wanted to be a razorback. Why do you think he even considered coming here in the first place. He never really appeared to be very happy at UA.
Please, I don't want to here from people that are speculating like me. If you know this young man personally, tell me what he may be thinking.
I don't know him at all, but I got the same feeling during the recruiting. He seems to have a hard time making up his mind and just decided to land at the U of A. I wonder if he has read the Demzette article this morning by Randy Galloway of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on David Lee? I think Mustain has talent but has never been really developed as a QB. I wish he had given Lee at least a spring to see what he could do. As a matter of fact, I wish everyone would just give him a chance to see what he can do with whatever QB's we have.
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Quotelol... looks brilliant to me ;D
Quote from: mtindian42 on August 27, 2014, 07:08:27 am
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Quotelol... looks brilliant to me ;D
Great find mtindian - not exactly a ruined career! ;D
Quote from: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 01:03:59 pm
IMO, Gus sees this Tulsa job as next the next stepping stone to a BIG D-1 job.
I doubt that he stays very long. He plans on being the next Steve Spurrier and will do WHATEVER it takes to get there.
I'm not a big fan of him personally...but I believe he will be successful wherever he goes.
Arkansas' loss...Tulsa's gain. Spin it anyway you want, but this isn't going to help our program.
I wish all my prediction were so accurate. He's BIG TIME now.
My predictions about him are too. Climbed right up the backs of those kids to get to the college level and then insult them for all the crap Nutt did to them by saying it never happened.
Huh? Wish people didn't always hate - everyone who's ever been through Arkansas is hated by someone. Whatever drama went down way back when is done - chips have fallen. So anyway, he sure sounds smart on camera - it's good to have successful Arkansas Representatives.
Has zero to do with him being at Arkansas. The oldtimers here were on to his game fifteen years ago shen he was at SC.
Everybody has opinions on this topic. Its clear the GM is no better a person than most of the rest of us out there, he climbed the ladder the same as most folks. Took advantage of his opportunities and used those he could to help him get there. You help those you can but you primarily concentrate on your own success.
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
LOL oh there is a huge dish of crow for this man to eat :)
Quote from: TigerHawg on February 05, 2015, 06:52:50 am
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
LOL oh there is a huge dish of crow for this man to eat :)
Wow, this is great.... lol
This is hilarious
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2015, 10:52:03 am
Quote from: TigerHawg on February 05, 2015, 06:52:50 am
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
LOL oh there is a huge dish of crow for this man to eat :)
Wow, this is great.... lol
Is he a PG tiger? just wondering
Quote from: cuckoobird on May 12, 2015, 01:54:49 pm
Quote from: beach bum on February 05, 2015, 10:52:03 am
Quote from: TigerHawg on February 05, 2015, 06:52:50 am
Quote from: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.
if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.
this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.
i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
LOL oh there is a huge dish of crow for this man to eat :)
Wow, this is great.... lol
Is he a PG tiger? just wondering
Nope, just a better coach than the one we have right now. And that says a lot because BB is exactly what we needed after the Petrino and John L. Smith fiasco.