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Blytheville forfeits two wins due to an ineligible player

Started by WTD, October 22, 2018, 01:42:32 pm

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WTD

Nettleton is now 5-0 in conference, 8-0 overall
Blytheville sits in a 5 way tie at 3-2 for 2nd in conference.

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VHSCoach2

Quote from: fann07 on October 22, 2018, 01:55:42 pm
If they forfeited 2 wins then they would be 2-3.

One of their forfeited wins was non-conference against Osceola.

NWA Hawg


MDXPHD

Quote from: WTD on October 22, 2018, 01:42:32 pm
Nettleton is now 5-0 in conference, 8-0 overall
Blytheville sits in a 5 way tie at 3-2 for 2nd in conference.

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Nettleton will be an easy 1 seed for somebody.

JessieP


Missco


Missco


Rampage72501


birddawg1986

There is NO reason that this should ever happen. Administration not doing their job

Missco


RunninJoe

Was the ineligible player a play-maker? It would really stink if he was just a sideline guy.

AT

Missco, do you know if this player affects Blytheville significantly?

Missco

He is a good player but only played in 1 conference game. So not the end of the world.

Brian G

Official announcement from AAA

Blytheville High School has self-reported a violation of the AAA rules regarding the use of an ineligible student in four football games, August 31, September 7, September 14, & September 28. As a result, Blytheville must forfeit their wins over Osceola and Nettleton

Duck12

I'm not sure how he was ineligible. The kid lives in Blytheville and went to Gosnell illegally last year, like a lot of kids but nothing ever happens to them smh. The kid could be a stud but he can't stay out of trouble. Well looks like a normal year for Blytheville football.

Missco

Yep....but I wouldn't say it was really self reported. I understand why it reads that way though.

Brian G

I thought it was rare how the "rumor" was out there for so long and then finally it reaches reality.

501Arkansas


Sports1511


Brian G


tmycjy

but with school choice dose it matter where he live if he is in the county

Sports1511


JessieP

Quote from: Duck12 on October 22, 2018, 06:47:52 pm
I'm not sure how he was ineligible. The kid lives in Blytheville and went to Gosnell illegally last year, like a lot of kids but nothing ever happens to them smh. The kid could be a stud but he can't stay out of trouble. Well looks like a normal year for Blytheville football.

Duck I know you said you were hitting the road last Saturday so you haven't been around. I must say, You called the Batesville game dead on. What you worried would happen, Happened to a T. Such a shame, so much talent but so much anger. Their self destruct DNA was out in full force. After watching them in person I can say two things about Blytheville, They could play PA close and they could lose to Paragould. It was so sad, Never mind the 15 yard personal foul calls, early in the game when Batesville got a lead they were throwing helmets on the sideline and screaming at each other coming off the field. Hopefully this coaching staff can over time break these wild stallions. Until then they will be way up and then way down.

Duck12

https://www.blythevillecourier.com/story/2560775.html

Here is the link from our paper. I know the kid in question and he went to Blytheville all through Jr. High. He went to Gosnell his 10th-grade year and came back in 11th grade. This is disappointing but it is what it is on to paragould.

Brian G


Missco

Very good article. A lot more to the situation but regardless it's sad. The bad thing is the way kids from poor socio-economic situations sometime have to live with grand parents or aunt's in the course of the year to just survive. I am surprised this doesn't happen more.

JessieP

Quote from: B.G. on October 22, 2018, 09:10:01 pm
Very good article.

It is. The sad thing is you don't read it and have a "They nailed you cheaters" reaction, It's more like "That's a shame". They literally got lost in a technicality.

Brian G

I was close to a situation like that a few years ago.  Very innocent deal and mistake made by a person that misunderstood the rule.  After being told things were good, a few games went by and......  Admin was wrong.  Self report and forfeits.

My issue with this kind of deal is the innocent at heart get caught up in it due to the strict nature meant to entrap or prevent others.

Self report should mean something more and be dealt with differently than those that are willfully cheating and/or hide the truth.

Brian G

To be clear, I don't know the exact particulars here.  Just speaking generically. 

JessieP

Quote from: B.G. on October 22, 2018, 09:31:12 pm
I was close to a situation like that a few years ago.  Very innocent deal and mistake made by a person that misunderstood the rule.  After being told things were good, a few games went by and......  Admin was wrong.  Self report and forfeits.

My issue with this kind of deal is the innocent at heart get caught up in it due to the strict nature meant to entrap or prevent others.

Self report should mean something more and be dealt with differently than those that are willfully cheating and/or hide the truth.

I agree 100%, there should be some level of compassion for those who self report but they do need to draw a line in the sand. Many people would abuse the spirit of the law of forgiveness. We all know the old saying "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission", We don't want an onslaught of teams "Coming clean" when the season ends.

Brian G

I totally understand that these things grow legs.  Even it this was a pressured "self report", the matter did come to light.

I'm not a fan of how things are nowadays with all the moving and such.  But in this case, it appears to not be the case of something sinister. 

We're going to continue to have these kind of situations.

Missco

In low socio-economic homes this happens all the time just to survive. It isnt always the kids fault. They might live in 4 houses in a year with all kind of relatives.

Yellowcake

This makes me very sad.
The compassion over bashing reflected here is refreshing.

ISU7

AAA rule says a parents can not make a move too another town in a another school district just for their child to play sports with that school, it has too be a bonafide (genuine , real)  move. The school choice deal has nothing too do with the sports part of the equation.

JoeDirt

I was told by a coach that used to be at Blytheville, that Blytheville players knew about the forfeit before the Batesville game. I wonder how much that had to do with the loss and the unusual amount of personal fouls?


MDXPHD

Quote from: JoeDirt on October 23, 2018, 11:16:42 am
I was told by a coach that used to be at Blytheville, that Blytheville players knew about the forfeit before the Batesville game. I wonder how much that had to do with the loss and the unusual amount of personal fouls?

The coach that used to be at Blytheville should probably just focus on his current school, don't ya think?

Missco

Hum...

Chicks_Fan

This is not necessarily true. The official in-writing ruling from AAA did not arrive until Monday and this was not discussed with the players until Monday, so this had no impact on play Friday night. I'm not sure WTH happened there. They just got down in their heads early and couldn't recover, plus the other stuff we have learned to expect when we play on the road in certain places. It just is what it is. The players can be told repeatedly what to expect and how to react (or don't react) but the truth is, they are young, disadvantaged youth with a lot of issues and live in circumstances that we cannot even begin to imagine. That isn't an excuse, it's just another obstacle they have to learn to overcome. Their coaches try daily, their team supporters try daily, the teachers try daily. Some days you get through to them and some days you don't. Everyday is a battle, but thankfully we have coaches willing to fight it.

As for the "ineligible" player. So much information was provided but it just wasn't enough. I'm not sure there can be an appeal process. I'm not clear on the rules. There are a lot of things I find very interesting about this whole situation that I will keep to myself. But, it seems that sometimes organizations like the AAA just do the easiest thing, which may not necessarily be the thing that is right for the kids they try so hard to say they are advocating for. But, that is just my opinion.

Rampage72501

Quote from: Chicks_Fan on October 23, 2018, 11:58:00 am
I'm not sure WTH happened there. They just got down in their heads early and couldn't recover, plus the other stuff we have learned to expect when we play on the road in certain places.

Certain places, lol.


Chicks_Fan

Quote from: Yellowcake on October 22, 2018, 10:31:18 pm
This makes me very sad.
The compassion over bashing reflected here is refreshing.

I concur with this statement. Honestly, I was hesitant to log on, afraid of what I might read, but I'm glad to see I was wrong for the most part.

MDXPHD


Go Postal

This is what I found for Public schools, of course private and home schools rules are a little different.

Athletic Eligibility Guide for Public School Students
(This guide is meant to be a resource. The official document regarding ALL eligibility guidelines is the
AAA Handbook. If an administrator has questions concerning the eligibility of a student athlete, please
call the Arkansas Activities Association.  If a parent has questions concerning the eligibility of their
student, please contact your student's school administrator.)
Age
A junior high student is not eligible for junior high competition if the student's 16th birthday is on or
before September 1. In the year a student in junior high becomes too old for junior high participation,
the student may be allowed to participate for the senior high if all other eligibility rules are met.
A senior high student is not eligible for interscholastic participation if the student's 19th birthday is on or
before September 1.
Public School
A student's eligibility for interscholastic athletics shall be in the public school district of the parent's
domicile.
• Only one domicile is recognized for eligibility purposes.
• If parents are divorced or legally separated by a court of law, eligibility shall be in the public
school district of the parent that has primary legal custody.  
• If parents have joint custody, eligibility shall be in the public school district where the student
attended the first day of school.
"Guardianship" is not recognized for eligibility purposes.
• Legal adoption is recognized for eligibility purposes.
• A student meets the domicile rule after attending a member school for 365 days.
• A student can return to the public school district of his/her parents residence within the first 11
days of either semester and become eligible as long as the student has not played the same
sport in the same season.
Transfers From Public School to Public School (Charter Schools are Considered Public Schools)
A student shall meet the domicile requirement if the student receives a legal transfer (school board to
school board) from one public school to another. Board to board transfers must take place by July 1
before a student enters grades 7‐10.    
Students transferring after July 1 prior to entering the 10th grade year shall not be eligible for one
calendar year (365 days) unless there is a bona fide move from one public school district into the public
school district that the student will be attending.
Transfers From Non‐Member School to Public School
A student attending a non‐member school (including a home‐schooled student) who returns to the
public school district of his parents' domicile shall become eligible immediately after attending one day
of classes.  
School Choice
A student shall meet the domicile requirement under school choice if: (1) the student applies for school
choice prior to July 1 (before a student enters grades 7 – 10) and receives approval and (2) Has a CSAP
Form (Changing Schools/Athletic Participation Form) signed by the administration of both schools prior
to interscholastic competition.     
Students applying and receiving school choice approval after July 1 entering the 10th grade shall not be
eligible for one calendar year (365 days) unless there is a bona fide move from one public school district
into the public school district that the student will be attending.  
Return to Resident District
A student who transfers back to the public school district of his parent's domicile within the first eleven
days of the fall or the spring semester of that district shall become eligible after attending one day of
classes if the student would not be in violation of the Same Sport Same Season rule. This rule does not
apply to public charter schools.
Complete and Bona Fide Change of Domicile
Refer to the AAA Handbook.
Bona Fide Student
A student participating in interscholastic activities must be a bona fide student of the school; a bona fide
student is one who has not graduated from a high school and who is enrolled in and regularly attending
at least four academic courses in the high school. These courses shall be from those identified in the
Arkansas Department of Education Standards of Accreditation.  
Non‐School Coach
A student transferring, moving, or for any reason attending a new school where the student's non‐ 
school coach is a school coach, or is anyone assisting in any capacity with the coaching or training of the
school team, is presumed to be attending for athletic purposes if the student participated in athletics
the previous year and will be ineligible for 365 days from the date of enrollment.  
Foreign Student Eligibility, Foreign Student Residency, Legal Adoption, Parental Custody, Boarding
School, Training School, Arkansas Virtual Academy
Refer to the AAA Handbook.
Semester Rule
Junior High – A student has six semesters of opportunity for eligibility. A student repeating either the
seventh or eighth grade for any reason shall not have the opportunity for eligibility during the complete  
year that is repeated.  
Senior High ‐ A student is limited to eight consecutive semesters of opportunity for eligibility beginning
with the student's first enrollment in the ninth grade (or earlier as defined in Rule 7. Age, Note).  
Academic Eligibility
Refer to the AAA Handbook.
Physical Examinations
In any year that a student engages in interscholastic competition, the student shall be required to
present to the coach verification of a physical examination prior to the beginning of practice which shall
be valid for one calendar year.
Amateur Rule
Refer to the AAA Handbook.
Eligibility Check List
A student must meet the criteria in rules 1 – 15 in order to be eligible for athletics.
□ Rule 1. Domicile (Public Schools, Nonpublic Schools, Complete and Bona Fide Change of
Domicile, Legal Attendance, Non‐school Coach, Transfers, CSAP Forms, Return to
Resident District)
□ Rule 2. Eligibility in Other Situations (Foreign Students, Legal Adoption, Parental
Custody, Boarding School, Training School, Arkansas Virtual Academy, School Board
Actions, Providing Incorrect Domicile Information, Transfers Involving
Nonpublic/Nonmember Schools)
□ Rule 3. Recruitment
□ Rule 4. Bona Fide Student
□ Rule 5. Dropouts
□ Rule 6. Semesters
□ Rule 7. Age
□ Rule 8. Amateur
□ Rule 9. Tryouts
□ Rule 10. Scholarship
□ Rule 11. Ineligible in Another State
□ Rule 12. Participation on Non‐School Teams
□ Rule 13. National Team, Olympic Development Programs, and International School Sport
Federation.
□ Rule 14. Physical Examination
□ Rule 15. Hardship Exceptions

Missco

I agree with you Chicks fan. You hit the nail on the head. Too many strange things about this whole deal.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: ISU7 on October 23, 2018, 10:29:59 am
AAA rule says a parents can not make a move too another town in a another school district just for their child to play sports with that school, it has too be a bonafide (genuine , real)  move. The school choice deal has nothing too do with the sports part of the equation.
And I'm guessing the AAA decides if the move is bonafide, genuine or real?

Rocket23

Dang, all that AAA jargon has me even more confused than before.

RunninJoe

" plus the other stuff we have learned to expect when we play on the road in certain places."

I'll take the bait. Is it like the stuff we have learned to expect when we play Bly? Last year it was players pushing and taking swings at the officiating crew and this year they were going after their coach among other things. It is sad that nobody seems able to get any control of those kids. There's a great lot of talent that is overshadowed by poor behavior. But it can't be blamed on the geographical location of the game.

JessieP

Quote from: Rocket23 on October 23, 2018, 01:05:54 pm
Dang, all that AAA jargon has me even more confused than before.

+10, Lol, I was responding to you about this very thing on another thread. Great minds think alike. You are correct though, The AAA rule book is cover to cover blah blah blah.

MDXPHD

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on October 23, 2018, 12:54:01 pm
And I'm guessing the AAA decides if the move is bonafide, genuine or real?

Well yeah - then they will also hear their own appeals.

JessieP

Quote from: Chicks_Fan on October 23, 2018, 12:18:09 pm
I concur with this statement. Honestly, I was hesitant to log on, afraid of what I might read, but I'm glad to see I was wrong for the most part.

I have been very vocal about Blytheville having all the potential in the world, they just need to corral the anger. And as far as "Certain places" last year was the same thing against Batesville. In fact they had Police on the field to escort off an ejected player, that game was at Blythesville. The fighting/personal foul/anger issue is a Blytheville issue. It's not the refs or the home teams fault, it's Blytheville's fault. Heck, they had a game called off early because of fighting, against Paragould. Paragould! My goodness, how do you fight against a team like Paragould? Talk about puppy kicking. One day someone is going to get control of that team and when they do WMS becomes a very real possibility.

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