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4-4A Boy's Standings & Scores

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TheOfficial

Quote from: LRRandy on January 20, 2016, 10:25:44 am
Quote from: Gray lizard on January 20, 2016, 10:15:18 am
No doubt a lady was pitched out of the stands. Randy must have been it the bathroom to have missed it.
i wasn't in the bathroom but didn't see it. You are correct. I have been informed one of our fans was in fact made to leave. A very vocal member of our fan base. Not one of the boys parents. Sorry that I was not aware of it before posting earlier. I got a text from someone that did see the ejection happen. I must have been posting the score and looking at my phone. :-)

Ha, bet it was that lady or one of her daughters that sit on the front row and berate officials all night long.

BIG_K

 ;D ;D She needed to Leave!!! ;D ;D Big Mouth is an Understatement!!!  ;D ;D Preps Administration needs to get control of her!!  ;D ;D

eagle1

After Tuesday's games.
1/21
Baptist Prep 11-7; 6-0
Pottsville 13-4; 5-2
Ozark 13-6; 5-2
Dardanelle 12-6; 4-3
Dover 9-5; 3-4
Robinson 3-11; 2-5
Subiaco 3-10; 1-5
Clinton 7-11; 1-6

Tomahawk

You can catch Dover at Pottsville at around 6.  Steven Glen and I will have the call:

http://livestream.com/pottsvilleschools/bbdover/

mountainman

Dover beat Pottsville by two points

WattsOzark

Quote from: mountainman on January 22, 2016, 09:04:12 pm
Dover beat Pottsville by two points
That was quite a comeback by Pottsville at the end.

LRRandy

Halftime
Subiaco  18

Baptist Prep  28

LRRandy

End of 3rd qurtr

Subi. 22

Baptist Prep. 43

LRRandy

Final

Subi   34

Baptist Prep   55

NEA Razorback olfan

January 23, 2016, 09:21:07 pm #59 Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 09:35:04 pm by NEA Razorback olfan
Watched the Pottsville vs Dover girls replay , wow Pottsville shot 18 FT the first Qtr.
Prolly the most free throws I've seen in 1 qtr. Refs were horrible ,need to stick with pee wee!! On second thought I wouldn't want them there either!! Looked like they got 2 calls right the first half. One was giving Dover coach a T for arguing calls...,even the Pottsville announcers wasn't sure what the refs where doing out there.
Has anyone seen any more than 18 free throws attempted in 1 qtr?

Nip/Tusk

January 23, 2016, 09:49:35 pm #60 Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 11:06:17 pm by Josh Louin
That's pretty bad. Referees are so bad sometimes. Pg got outshot 40 something to single digits at the line the other night.

Those discrepancies should never happen in a game between two similar teams.

Seems like they have an agenda at times.

NEA Razorback olfan

Pottsville has a really good team , they didn't need help , but they sure got it.
I counted at least 5 on Pottsville the first qtr. Dover girl took a charge and got ran over an there was no call at all. The refs never even looked at each other... That's blatent if you ask me !!
Breathing must be the only qualification to be a ref over there!!

Missco

January 24, 2016, 12:33:47 am #62 Last Edit: January 24, 2016, 12:45:37 am by Missco
Officiating dictates the flow of basketball more so than any sport. Most of the time the good ones are the same on both ends of the court. The same goes for the bad ones. The only ones I have a problem with are the ones that seem to have it out for certain coaches or schools. They do exsist. That's not fair to the kids. Some of these guys forget that these are 16 to 18 year old kids. Another thing is that certain coaches that run around with certain refs shouldnt be allowed to get those guys assigned to their games. The same coaches intimidate a lot of refs. This especially happens at alot of AA schools. It has been awhile since I have seen a crew just flat out cheat for a team but have seen it in my life.

Ozark Hog

Watched live stream of Pottsville game, I do not think it would have made a lot of difference if Dover had gotten the calls instead of Pottsville. I believe  Pottsville would have  run them outta of the gym anyway.  I think the over all team speed, if the coach would turn them loose and let them run would have wore  Dover out by half time and the route would have been on either way.   I have watched them play several times, I keep wondering why the coach doesn't turn them loose and play more up tempo ball. It seems like when they slow it down they just do not play with the same effort.
It looks like the Pottsville team is loaded for the future, think  they start 3 sophomore's and have several who doesn't start.
I also heard  they had a good group of Junior high players coming up next year.


NEA Razorback olfan

Quote from: Ozark Hog on January 24, 2016, 02:42:09 pm
Watched live stream of Pottsville game, I do not think it would have made a lot of difference if Dover had gotten the calls instead of Pottsville. I believe  Pottsville would have  run them outta of the gym anyway.  I think the over all team speed, if the coach would turn them loose and let them run would have wore  Dover out by half time and the route would have been on either way.   I have watched them play several times, I keep wondering why the coach doesn't turn them loose and play more up tempo ball. It seems like when they slow it down they just do not play with the same effort.
It looks like the Pottsville team is loaded for the future, think  they start 3 sophomore's and have several who doesn't start.
I also heard  they had a good group of Junior high players coming up next year.

It was nothing against Pottsville, I believe they have a tough team. And sounds like they are going to be solid for the upcoming years. I agree with you about pushing the ball up the floor. They seem to have the athletes and are deep enough to apply some full court pressure. They should do well in the post season!!!!
Announcers do a good job on their webcast of the games!!

TheOfficial

January 24, 2016, 09:03:07 pm #65 Last Edit: January 24, 2016, 09:04:47 pm by TheOfficial
Quote from: Ozark Hog on January 24, 2016, 02:42:09 pm
Watched live stream of Pottsville game, I do not think it would have made a lot of difference if Dover had gotten the calls instead of Pottsville. I believe  Pottsville would have  run them outta of the gym anyway.  I think the over all team speed, if the coach would turn them loose and let them run would have wore  Dover out by half time and the route would have been on either way.   I have watched them play several times, I keep wondering why the coach doesn't turn them loose and play more up tempo ball. It seems like when they slow it down they just do not play with the same effort.
It looks like the Pottsville team is loaded for the future, think  they start 3 sophomore's and have several who doesn't start.
I also heard  they had a good group of Junior high players coming up next year.

Watched the stream too and have seen both teams live.  The discrepancy in the fouls and free throws appears to be due to the major difference in the team's speed and abilities.  Dover is slow and can't play defense.  Pottsville is athletic and fast and was fouled every time they drove to the basket.  It happens, not the official's fault.  Talked to one of the officials and they did say they no called a block/charge call.  Said they should have had a whistle, one way or the other.

NEA Razorback olfan

January 24, 2016, 09:49:22 pm #66 Last Edit: January 24, 2016, 10:32:37 pm by NEA Razorback olfan
Pottsville is definetely the better team, no doubt
Watched the first qtr again , and the first was legit on Dover, over the back going for rebound , 2nd should have been a jump ball since the players grabbed it at the same time facing each other.  3rd was on fast break ,Campbell got fouled, Dover guard grabbed a rebound and was fouled from two Pottsville players going over her back , no call, then fouled twice from Campbell reaching  in and bumping the offensive player. Again no call.
After a missed shot Pottsville gets the ball down on baseline turns into a Dover defender with hands up and draws a foul. Then Dover coach gets Tech. So pots gets 4free throws and the ball, all within the first 2min of the game .. Wow
That had nothing to do with the slow or fast , As pots picks up there 1st foul mid 2nd qtr I believe

I know officials are going to miss some calls , but that was terrible!!
Whether it was on purpose or not I have no clue!!

One thing for sure, Dover had a better game than the  (officials!!)
They need to read the rule book , not just look at the pictures!!

Nip/Tusk

The official taking up for the officials. Unheard of!  Lol

Seriously though, I'd like for there to be some accountability for refs. Maybe there is and I'm not aware.

NEA Razorback olfan

Quote from: Josh Louin on January 24, 2016, 09:59:41 pm
The official taking up for the officials. Unheard of!  Lol

Seriously though, I'd like for there to be some accountability for refs. Maybe there is and I'm not aware.

I'm not real sure, but I respect how the announcers did not take up for the poor attempt at officiating !!
We have better pee wee refs in NEA !!

NEA Razorback olfan

I guess like anywhere else ,We have some good crews ,
And some we just shake our heads and say its prolly going to be a long night!!!
Lol

TheOfficial

January 24, 2016, 10:57:48 pm #70 Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 02:11:47 pm by TheOfficial
Funny a team gets beat 30 and it's the officials.
2nd it's easy to judge from the bleachers.
3rd, two of those officials have called multiple state tourneys.

TheOfficial

January 24, 2016, 11:00:01 pm #71 Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 02:13:19 pm by TheOfficial
Quote from: NEA Razorback olfan on January 24, 2016, 09:49:22 pm
Pottsville is definetely the better team, no doubt
Watched the first qtr again , and the first was legit on Dover, over the back going for rebound , 2nd should have been a jump ball since the players grabbed it at the same time facing each other.  3rd was on fast break ,Campbell got fouled, Dover guard grabbed a rebound and was fouled from two Pottsville players going over her back , no call, then fouled twice from Campbell reaching  in and bumping the offensive player. Again no call.
After a missed shot Pottsville gets the ball down on baseline turns into a Dover defender with hands up and draws a foul. Then Dover coach gets Tech. So pots gets 4free throws and the ball, all within the first 2min of the game .. Wow
That had nothing to do with the slow or fast , As pots picks up there 1st foul mid 2nd qtr I believe

I know officials are going to miss some calls , but that was terrible!!
Whether it was on purpose or not I have no clue!!

One thing for sure, Dover had a better game than the  (officials!!)
They need to read the rule book , not just look at the pictures!!

And you are correct the 4 free throws and the ball in the first two minutes had nothing to do with the pace.  It was the coach getting a tech.  That we can agree on.

BIG_K

January 25, 2016, 08:21:10 am #72 Last Edit: January 25, 2016, 08:22:59 am by BIG_K
Quote from: NEA Razorback olfan on January 24, 2016, 09:49:22 pm
Pottsville is definetely the better team, no doubt
Watched the first qtr again , and the first was legit on Dover, over the back going for rebound , 2nd should have been a jump ball since the players grabbed it at the same time facing each other.  3rd was on fast break ,Campbell got fouled, Dover guard grabbed a rebound and was fouled from two Pottsville players going over her back , no call, then fouled twice from Campbell reaching  in and bumping the offensive player. Again no call.
After a missed shot Pottsville gets the ball down on baseline turns into a Dover defender with hands up and draws a foul. Then Dover coach gets Tech. So pots gets 4free throws and the ball, all within the first 2min of the game .. Wow
That had nothing to do with the slow or fast , As pots picks up there 1st foul mid 2nd qtr I believe

I know officials are going to miss some calls , but that was terrible!!
Whether it was on purpose or not I have no clue!!

One thing for sure, Dover had a better game than the  (officials!!)
They need to read the rule book , not just look at the pictures!!

;D What was the final score of this very close game that was lost by bad officiating???  ;D

Gray lizard

What is the call? This happened in the Pottsville Dover Boys game.
After a loose ball.
Pottsville player standing out of bounds on base line. Dover player in bounds on base line.  Dover player grabs the ball and touches the Pottsville player standing out of bounds.  The Dover player has control of the ball.
Who gets the ball?

NEA Razorback olfan

January 25, 2016, 09:02:25 am #74 Last Edit: January 25, 2016, 09:31:27 am by NEA Razorback olfan
Quote from: BIG_K on January 25, 2016, 08:21:10 am
Quote from: NEA Razorback olfan on January 24, 2016, 09:49:22 pm
Pottsville is definetely the better team, no doubt
Watched the first qtr again , and the first was legit on Dover, over the back going for rebound , 2nd should have been a jump ball since the players grabbed it at the same time facing each other.  3rd was on fast break ,Campbell got fouled, Dover guard grabbed a rebound and was fouled from two Pottsville players going over her back , no call, then fouled twice from Campbell reaching  in and bumping the offensive player. Again no call.
After a missed shot Pottsville gets the ball down on baseline turns into a Dover defender with hands up and draws a foul. Then Dover coach gets Tech. So pots gets 4free throws and the ball, all within the first 2min of the game .. Wow
That had nothing to do with the slow or fast , As pots picks up there 1st foul mid 2nd qtr I believe

I know officials are going to miss some calls , but that was terrible!!
Whether it was on purpose or not I have no clue!!

One thing for sure, Dover had a better game than the  (officials!!)
They need to read the rule book , not just look at the pictures!!

;D What was the final score of this very close game that was lost by bad officiating???  ;D

I don't believe I said it was a close game or the refs were the reason Dover lost.
I like the aggressive play of Pottsville , who is definetely the better team.
Reminds me of our Brookland Girls last year.
I would say sucky refs 1
Fans 0

3 Dollar

Quote from: Gray lizard on January 25, 2016, 08:38:53 am
What is the call? This happened in the Pottsville Dover Boys game.
After a loose ball.
Pottsville player standing out of bounds on base line. Dover player in bounds on base line.  Dover player grabs the ball and touches the Pottsville player standing out of bounds.  The Dover player has control of the ball.
Who gets the ball?

Dover Ball.  Had they touched anything other than a Pottsville player standing out-of-bounds, then it would be Pottsville Ball!

StevenGlen

Thank you for the nice comments on our broadcasts of the Pottsville games on Live Stream and KWKK, Quck FM in Russellville.  I can tell you this about the officiating in the Dover at Pottsville girls game; Jim Lewis who serves in a supervisory capacity for AAA Officiating was at that game.  I've known Jim for a long time and saw him in the stands before tip off. 

One comment on the Baptist Prep at Pottsville game.  This year's team for the Eagles looks better than last season's version.  All of the Eagles players seem to know each other a little better, and are good at passing the ball to the open spot.  The older of the Vanover Boys has become quite good at finding the open man when he is triple teamed in the low post.  It is obvious to even an untrained eye like mine that the shooting of the younger Vanover Brother has improved.  He may have been a tad off from outside against Pottsville but from his shooting fundamentals I'd be willing to bet he makes a bunch of 3 point shots this year.  He is also quite good at the medium range 2 point jump shot, say from 12-18 feet.

Sorry that I have no comment on fans being escorted to the stands or out of the building.  I'm not being a homer here, working as a broadcaster I honestly did not see anyone escorted anywhere.  I did get to visit briefly with both the Father and Mother of the Vanover twins after the game as I was packing up equipment.  In Pottsville our broadcast position is actually on the visitors side of the court.  I'll say this, both Mother and Father are very passionate about the game.  Then again I would be too if it were my Son on the floor.     

Lets enjoy another fun week of 4-4A hoops!!

Ozark Hog

I noticed  that there is two players starting on Pottsville team with same last name, are they related?

NEA Razorback olfan

Quote from: StevenGlen on January 25, 2016, 09:48:02 am
Thank you for the nice comments on our broadcasts of the Pottsville games on Live Stream and KWKK, Quck FM in Russellville.  I can tell you this about the officiating in the Dover at Pottsville girls game; Jim Lewis who serves in a supervisory capacity for AAA Officiating was at that game.  I've known Jim for a long time and saw him in the stands before tip off. 

One comment on the Baptist Prep at Pottsville game.  This year's team for the Eagles looks better than last season's version.  All of the Eagles players seem to know each other a little better, and are good at passing the ball to the open spot.  The older of the Vanover Boys has become quite good at finding the open man when he is triple teamed in the low post.  It is obvious to even an untrained eye like mine that the shooting of the younger Vanover Brother has improved.  He may have been a tad off from outside against Pottsville but from his shooting fundamentals I'd be willing to bet he makes a bunch of 3 point shots this year.  He is also quite good at the medium range 2 point jump shot, say from 12-18 feet.

Sorry that I have no comment on fans being escorted to the stands or out of the building.  I'm not being a homer here, working as a broadcaster I honestly did not see anyone escorted anywhere.  I did get to visit briefly with both the Father and Mother of the Vanover twins after the game as I was packing up equipment.  In Pottsville our broadcast position is actually on the visitors side of the court.  I'll say this, both Mother and Father are very passionate about the game.  Then again I would be too if it were my Son on the floor.     

Lets enjoy another fun week of 4-4A hoops!!

StevenGlenn,
First of all Pottsville girls has a State bound team , enjoyed the online archive!!
I believe y'all call it like it is and I respect that!!
Of course you will root for your home team!!
I realize refs can have a bad game just like players can!!
I just don't appreciate a team getting hosed while down 20pts
Not sure what the coach said , if it was vulgar he definitely deserved a T
I'm on the other side of the state , outsider looking in , I just call it like I see it!!
Thanks, and keep up the great work!!

StevenGlen

Quote from: Ozark Hog on January 25, 2016, 10:38:34 am
I noticed  that there is two players starting on Pottsville team with same last name, are they related?

Jake and Josh Dugger, are twin brothers.  Jake wears 24 and Josh wears 5.  If you look at the Pottsville Lady Apache roster you will find two players Campbell, Aspen and Skylar.  These young ladies are also twins. 

SteveGlen

RTF

Quote from: StevenGlen on January 26, 2016, 02:33:54 pm
Quote from: Ozark Hog on January 25, 2016, 10:38:34 am
I noticed  that there is two players starting on Pottsville team with same last name, are they related?

Jake and Josh Dugger, are twin brothers.  Jake wears 24 and Josh wears 5.  If you look at the Pottsville Lady Apache roster you will find two players Campbell, Aspen and Skylar.  These young ladies are also twins. 

SteveGlen

Something in the water in Pottsville...

LRRandy

End 1rdt Q.

Clinton 10

Baptist Prep. 17

LRRandy

@ half

Clinton  22

Baptist Prep  35

LRRandy

End 3rd q

Clinton 31

Baptist Prep  52

LRRandy


mountainman


eagle1

Standings 1/27/16
Baptist  13-7; 8-0
Ozark    14-7; 6-3
Pottsville 14-5; 6-3
Dardanelle 12-6; 4-3 (need score from last night)
Dover 11-5; 5-4
Robinson 3-5; 2-6
Subiaco 3-11; 1-6 (need score from last night)
Clinton 7-13; 1-8

Please correct any errors.

OOps

Subi beat Dardanelle. I don't know the score though.

WPWells

What are the thoughts on Subi? I usually try to keep up with them but haven't really kept up this year. I assume that they're disciplined and play hard but simply don't have the talent this year?

mountainman

January 27, 2016, 01:16:09 pm #89 Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 02:28:32 pm by mountainman
Standing    1/27/16

Baptist Prep ------ 8-0------- 13-7
Ozark-------------- 6-3--------14-7
Pottsville-----------6-3--------14-5
Dover-------------- 5-4--------12-5
Dardanelle---------4-4--------12-7
Subiaco Academy--2-6--------4-11
Robinson-----------2-6---------3-12   Robinson/ Dardanelle /1/22/16 postpone
Clinton-------------1-8----------7-13

RTF

Quote from: Fred Bird on January 27, 2016, 09:15:25 am
What are the thoughts on Subi? I usually try to keep up with them but haven't really kept up this year. I assume that they're disciplined and play hard but simply don't have the talent this year?

Good defense... NO shooters. Lost their main guys from last year

eagle1

Standings 1/27/16 (updated)
Baptist  13-7; 8-0
Ozark    14-7; 6-3
Pottsville 14-5; 6-3
Dover 11-5; 5-4
Dardanelle 12-7; 4-4
Subiaco 4-11; 2-6
Robinson 3-5; 2-6
Clinton 7-13; 1-8

mountainman

January 27, 2016, 02:22:26 pm #92 Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 02:30:36 pm by mountainman
Robinson  record ---- 3-12---2-6  updated
Dover      record------12---5

eagle1

Thanks. Typo on Robinson, actually had 3-12 written down. Thanks for updating Dover overall. I had them at 11-5.

The Coach

Baptist is the only team in this conf that has any chance to compete beyond District.

Girls Potts and Ozark gotta a shot to advance deep.

Jacketman65

Quote from: RTF on January 27, 2016, 01:18:59 pm
Quote from: Fred Bird on January 27, 2016, 09:15:25 am
What are the thoughts on Subi? I usually try to keep up with them but haven't really kept up this year. I assume that they're disciplined and play hard but simply don't have the talent this year?

Good defense... NO shooters. Lost their main guys from last year
I'm a little surprised at the Trojans myself.  Unlike them to have this bad of an off year.

LRRandy

Quote from: The Coach on January 27, 2016, 06:50:45 pm
Baptist is the only team in this conf that has any chance to compete beyond District.

Girls Potts and Ozark gotta a shot to advance deep.
quite a change from last year when 3 of the final four in the state where from the 4a-4.

The Coach

January 27, 2016, 10:11:18 pm #97 Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 10:12:55 pm by The Coach
Quote from: LRRandy on January 27, 2016, 07:48:23 pm
Quote from: The Coach on January 27, 2016, 06:50:45 pm
Baptist is the only team in this conf that has any chance to compete beyond District.

Girls Potts and Ozark gotta a shot to advance deep.
quite a change from last year when 3 of the final four in the state where from the 4a-4.

Can't speak for the others but, Dard lost a lot of guys that did the little things that make teams good. They've not had much luck with kids filling those roles unfortunately. 

OOps

This conference is pretty deep compared to most others in my opinion. Other than Baptist there are no world beaters, but I think that whichever 4 teams make regionals will all have a real chance at winning a game and making the state tournament. The other conference does not look to be great outside of Huntsville and Pea Ridge, and it doesn't sound like they're unbeatable.

pridgehog

I don't think you will hear anybody over hear running their mouth saying that Baptist is the only good team. We are all hoping that Regionals will be competitive. Last year, we let one slip away against Dardenelle so we know it will be tough no matter who we get...

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