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8 Man Football

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MomaLion

Quote from: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 06:15:34 am
lets hope Brinkley can keep their doors open,Maybe the new school will help keep kids at home where they belong.
Unless they have a genie to grant them 3 wishes, they aren't getting a new school...at least not right now.  The vote failed.  They wanted to increase everyone's personal/property taxes by 35%.
I do agree that kids should stay at their home school whenever possible.

MomaLion

Quote from: old.dole on June 25, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
School choice is just legal segregation. If you want to play for school A then live in school A district. It doesn't get any simpler than that
You hit the nail on the head.

jbtiger73

You must not have heard about the terminix lawsuit we have against them. Plus, the majority of the people that voted against it, were people who's kids or grandkids don't attend school there. Which absolutely sucks. And those are all people who graduated from Brinkley High School. They ougt to be ashamed of themselves.

Eddie Goodson

Someone help get me up to speed. How many teams are going to play 8 man? I will get 8 man its own board if enough are playing it.

Dayton Kitchens

Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?

beach bum

Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 26, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?


Well it has its own section on here now.... So I am thinking the answer is yes.

beach bum

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 26, 2018, 03:28:34 pm
Someone help get me up to speed. How many teams are going to play 8 man? I will get 8 man its own board if enough are playing it.


I personally love the move to give 8 man its own board.... I think it will turn into a great board as the years go by and more schools join.

MomaLion

Quote from: jbtiger73 on June 26, 2018, 09:02:29 am
You must not have heard about the terminix lawsuit we have against them. Plus, the majority of the people that voted against it, were people who's kids or grandkids don't attend school there. Which absolutely sucks. And those are all people who graduated from Brinkley High School. They ougt to be ashamed of themselves.
No, I know all about the lawsuit that will take years to end.  As for those people that voted against, it was because the proposed tax was far too high and most felt like other options weren't explored...ie fixing existing buildings.  I followed the debate fairly closely as I technically live in the Brinkley district and this vote directly affected my family.  And before you fuss about us living in Brinkley district and sending kids to Clarendon...many years ago when I was in school there was a discrepancy discovered in the district lines that would put our family and our neighbor's family in Brinkley district when we'd always attended Clarendon because that's where we were told was our district.  My parents and our neighbor's parents went before both Brinkley school board to be released and Clarendon board to be accepted.

Eddie Goodson

Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 26, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.

friscokid

Of the schools that do take up 8-man, how many will be first-time players and how many will be former 11-man teams that struggled?

If the former holds up, I think 8-man will be vibrant. Bringing in new schools and giving student-athletes the opportunity to play football is most of the point of it. If it's nothing but a bunch of old 2A bottom teams, I fear it'll be looked at as the kiddie table.

MT Legend

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 27, 2018, 07:04:22 pm
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.
Mothers protesting all across the world to end football because of head injuries and so on.We could be witnessing the end of football all together. Nebraska and Michigan both are dyeing and other states are slowly fading away as well.sad days ahead for football I'm afraid.

Mulerider4Life

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 27, 2018, 07:04:22 pm
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.

Dang Eddie,

Over 65,000 slaps?

OB11

This could have some interesting implications over the next few years. I imagine there will be quite a few schools that don't currently have football that add 8 man if this gains some traction. It will be interesting to see how coaches move around. Might be some great opportunities for assistants that are looking for a first head coaching job. 

Okieback

Quote from: Cheek on June 02, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
It will be tough this year.  The Coaches will have to learn the rules of 8 man football along with the officials.   The fields are smaller so some goal post will have to be moved.  It will take a few years to get going.


Actually teams have the option to play on an 80 yard or 100 yard field.  Only thing really different is the width, 40 yards vs 52
Rule wise it's pretty the same, just adjust for number of men on LOS.  And mercy rules of I think 45 plus and game is over at the half or anytime after the half that it reaches that point.

Now strategy wise, yes much different.  It is so geared towards the offense one almost has to play man to man on the back end or you get out flanked fast.

Gray lizard

In Wyoming if you have a college degree a person can attend three coaching clinics over the summer and receive certification for coaching.
I went to a 6 man game while out there hunting.  Watched the Kaycee Buckaroos win on there way to a third strait State championship. One exceptional player can really change a team.  Their three year run was due to a boy named Ramirez. He graduated so I bet their run is over.

purpleswag

Quote from: Gray lizard on June 28, 2018, 10:47:56 am
In Wyoming if you have a college degree a person can attend three coaching clinics over the summer and receive certification for coaching.
I went to a 6 man game while out there hunting.  Watched the Kaycee Buckaroos win on there way to a third strait State championship. One exceptional player can really change a team.  Their three year run was due to a boy named Ramirez. He graduated so I bet their run is over.

I would say this is true in all small school football

Mulerider4Life

Quote from: purpleswag on June 28, 2018, 11:01:51 am
I would say this is true in all small school football

Yeah this can make a 2A or 3A team succeed. Once you get much bigger you see bigger line's, overall talented running backs, and decent defenses.

YOUKNOWWHO

Hampton may better come play in this league!

Mulerider4Life

Quote from: YOUKNOWWHO on June 28, 2018, 02:07:39 pm
Hampton may better come play in this league!

What if schools that were big enough, such as a Benton/Bryant or Little Rock schools had this as a intramural type option?

MomaLion

Quote from: MT Legend on June 28, 2018, 05:08:53 am
Mothers protesting all across the world to end football because of head injuries and so on.We could be witnessing the end of football all together. Nebraska and Michigan both are dyeing and other states are slowly fading away as well.sad days ahead for football I'm afraid.
It's a very valid point.  I'm not saying to do away with football but i've seen coaches put kids right back in the game after they clearly had a concussion and that should never happen.  One instance that comes to mind was a 7th grade game where the player took a massive hit and was staggering all over the field. Their coach continued to play him and still had him sitting on the bench during the Jr game...this was a few years back.  Anyway, the kid fell off the bench and started seizing so the called the ambulance over...he then stopped breathing and they wound up med flighting him from the field.  That could have totally been avoided with proper care from the time of the concussion.

Greenie

Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.

Mulerider4Life

Quote from: Greenie on July 03, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.

Actually, alot of people know about this school. You pass it every time you drive to Branson, Missouri. I think the start up costs may be too high, and where would they play? I think a team like Marshall, also on the way to Branson, could play 8-Man as well.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 03, 2018, 01:45:38 pm
Actually, alot of people know about this school. You pass it every time you drive to Branson, Missouri. I think the start up costs may be too high, and where would they play? I think a team like Marshall, also on the way to Branson, could play 8-Man as well.

Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

friscokid

Quote from: Greenie on July 03, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.
8-man is perfect for schools this size, but schools that are good in basketball will resist adding football for fear of losing their mojo in hoops. And there are a ton of them in North Central Arkansas, including SSBB.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: friscokid on July 03, 2018, 11:20:47 pm
8-man is perfect for schools this size, but schools that are good in basketball will resist adding football for fear of losing their mojo in hoops. And there are a ton of them in North Central Arkansas, including SSBB.

Southside isn't good in basketball thought....they're a baseball school, and get reminded of it when they think they're having a good basketball year lol

snapples3

Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

I do agree, but what do you think about 2a or even 3a schools that have struggled with numbers or even had to cancel games and seasons recently? Like Augusta in 2017, Rose Bud a couple games in 2015 and half of the 2016 season, Marshall in 2012, for example.

arkansasFBscoop

Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

Exactly!  State needs to hold hard to 1A/2A enrollment only for 8 man. Without standards like that, field gets skewed. Happens in other states, 8-man teams dressing 30 guys.  If that many in uniform, they should play 11-man.

Quote from: snapples3 on July 04, 2018, 06:48:56 pm
I do agree, but what do you think about 2a or even 3a schools that have struggled with numbers or even had to cancel games and seasons recently? Like Augusta in 2017, Rose Bud a couple games in 2015 and half of the 2016 season, Marshall in 2012, for example.

Drop football. It's not for everybody.  If the state doesn't keep cut and dry standards for 8-man in place, it'll get abused FAST by folks wanting to be big fish in very tiny pond.

birddawg1986

You would have to establish a 12-15 man roster limit.

Mulerider4Life

Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

It doesn't matter, they have low numbers. Just like schools such as Woodlawn or Hermitage.

Dayton Kitchens

Quote from: birddawg1986 on July 05, 2018, 06:32:11 am
You would have to establish a 12-15 man roster limit.

If I recall correctly,   Barton in the not too distant past played in the state title game with about 15 players who could take the field.

Sweet Feet

So glad all this is happening. My heart has hurt over the years for the kids in small towns who do want to play football but their school numbers are too low to field a team.

gameoflife

Quote from: MomaLion on June 28, 2018, 11:26:10 pm
It's a very valid point.  I'm not saying to do away with football but i've seen coaches put kids right back in the game after they clearly had a concussion and that should never happen.  One instance that comes to mind was a 7th grade game where the player took a massive hit and was staggering all over the field. Their coach continued to play him and still had him sitting on the bench during the Jr game...this was a few years back.  Anyway, the kid fell off the bench and started seizing so the called the ambulance over...he then stopped breathing and they wound up med flighting him from the field.  That could have totally been avoided with proper care from the time of the concussion.

Seriously?  I imagine the coach lost his job and was sued to high heaven for that screw-up.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 05, 2018, 08:29:12 am
It doesn't matter, they have low numbers. Just like schools such as Woodlawn or Hermitage.

I've heard of 5a and 6a schools struggling with numbers sometimes....should they be allowed to play 8 man if they fall below a participation level? What if you see schools like LR Central put an unofficial cap on their roster at 25 ?

MomaLion

Quote from: gameoflife on July 05, 2018, 02:50:57 pm
Seriously?  I imagine the coach lost his job and was sued to high heaven for that screw-up.
Doubtful...I won't mention the school, but they pretty much live and breathe football at any cost.

big E

Quote from: MomaLion on July 06, 2018, 02:29:16 am
Doubtful...I won't mention the school, but they pretty much live and breathe football at any cost.
Seems like some priorities are not in order.

friscokid

Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 05, 2018, 08:29:22 pm
I've heard of 5a and 6a schools struggling with numbers sometimes....should they be allowed to play 8 man if they fall below a participation level? What if you see schools like LR Central put an unofficial cap on their roster at 25 ?

In Oklahoma, theoretically Broken Arrow and Jenks could play 8-man if they applied to ... but of course it'll never happen because Oklahoma caps the number at the smallest 80 schools that apply. Once 8-man gets rolling in Arkansas, I assume there'll be a similar setup — I think 36 is probably the best number for this state starting out.

friscokid

I will add that Arkansas can also put an enrollment cap on 8-man to keep it from becoming a travesty where all these big schools drop down. I'd say 150 is a fair number.

Eddie Goodson

Schools are only going to drop down out of necessity, so you guys can quit worrying about that. This is last step before becoming a ghost program. They're not doing it to win a title or dominate little schools. They're doing to remain alive. If it is a 3A school, so be it.

MT Legend

By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.

HorseFeathers

Quote from: MT Legend on July 08, 2018, 11:33:45 am
By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.

Cause CTE is real....

Eddie Goodson

Quote from: MT Legend on July 08, 2018, 11:33:45 am
By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.

AirWarren

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.

Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere

MomaLion

Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 08, 2018, 11:56:13 am
Cause CTE is real....
Exactly.  As a parent with a child that has been told by her concussion specialists that she will most likely have CTE as the result of numerous concussions from competitive cheerleading(can't diagnose with certainty until autopsy)...it's real people.  And she didn't even play football.

Okieback

Quote from: friscokid on July 07, 2018, 11:37:17 am
In Oklahoma, theoretically Broken Arrow and Jenks could play 8-man if they applied to ... but of course it'll never happen because Oklahoma caps the number at the smallest 80 schools that apply. Once 8-man gets rolling in Arkansas, I assume there'll be a similar setup — I think 36 is probably the best number for this state starting out.

Wrong, only class A, 11 man schools can apply for 8 man.  Now if they were independent or somehow joined the Christian small school association that Union Christian joined 🤷🏼‍♂️

Eddie Goodson

Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere
My point is that the folks most vocal about pushing for the demise of football push a sport that causes as many or more concussions than football does.

beach bum

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.


College football is where that all changes when the collisions get way more violent.... If kids are taught to tackle properly there just aren't a whole lot of kids at the high school level capable of laying the really hard hits yet.

beach bum

Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere


I agree... Soccer is thriving particularly in urban USA. And I agree football is just fine too. I think its great soccer is growing.

AirWarren

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 09, 2018, 02:49:34 pm
My point is that the folks most vocal about pushing for the demise of football push a sport that causes as many or more concussions than football does.

I've been keeping up with soccer for about 6 years now. Major league soccer here in the US and English premier league in England. I have not heard anyone in the sport say anything about pushing for the demise of American football in hopes to increase the participation of soccer. #1 soccer is the most played sport in the world. If anything, basketball and baseball/softball do a good enough job of getting people out of football in this state and nation. Along with iPhones, social media and video games.

I'm fascinated that soccer has quickly become the scapegoat for declining football numbers yet allocated monies in schools, universities and tv still far exceed anything non football related. But I can't say I'm suprised. I love football like the next.

BTW Eddie, love your Robert California sig line. Robert California was awesome...especially in his farewell party at his mansion ha.

MT Legend

Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.
yes sir this is correct the "soft" Sports will now become more popular.Football is a tough mans sport those times are long gone. When we was growing up you laid a hard hit both sidelines and stands got fired up. Now you lay that same hit it becomes a debate rather or not it was malicious attempt to hurt the kid. Lol

MT Legend

Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere
you may want to look at Michigan and Nebraska where it is dyeing dayly. Yes football is fading and the more these concussions keep happening the more mothers you have joining the fight to end it.

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