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Title: Conference predictions
Post by: ZestyJester on August 31, 2018, 01:29:07 pm
Basketball season is still a couple months away but lets get some preseason talk going. Theres new conferences everywhere so lets try and pick the finish for each of them.

In case you dont know here are the new conferences

2A1
Ark Arts academy
Cotter
Decatur
Eureka springs
Flippin
Has hall Bentonville
Has hall Fayetteville
Yellville Summitt

2a3
Bay
Bic
Marmaduke
Melbourne
Rector
Riverside
Salem
Sloan hendrix

2a6
Barton
Clarendon
Cross county
Earle
Epc
Kipp delta
Lee
Marked tree
McCrory

2a5n
Conway Christian
Desert arc
Nemo Vista
Pang burn
Quitan
Ss bee branch
St Joseph
Wcc

2a5s
Bigelow
Carlisle
Cutter morning star
England
Hazen
Magnet cove
Maumee chatter
Poyen

2a4
Danville
Hackett
Hector
Lavaca
Magazine
Jc Westside

2a7
Acorn
Cossatot
Dierks
Foreman
Gurdon
Horatio
Mt ida
Murfreesboro

2a8
Bearden
Fordyce
Hampton
Camden harmony Grove
Junction city
Lafayette
Parkers Chapel
Spring Hill
Woodlawn
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ZestyJester on August 31, 2018, 01:31:29 pm
In 2a4 I got

1. Lavaca
2. Danville
3. Hector
4. Mountain burg
5. Hackett
6. Magazine
7. Jc westside
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: baller334 on August 31, 2018, 04:07:49 pm
2A-3
Bay
BIC
Sloan Hendrix
Marmaduke
Riverside
Rector
Salem
Melbourne
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: LeftyWorld on September 01, 2018, 10:19:03 am
We talking girls or boys here???
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ZestyJester on September 01, 2018, 11:21:27 am
Either or. My picks were boys
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: baller334 on September 01, 2018, 12:33:21 pm
Quote from: baller334 on August 31, 2018, 04:07:49 pm
2A-3 Boys
Bay
BIC
Sloan Hendrix
Marmaduke
Riverside
Rector
Salem
Melbourne

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Brucewayne on September 01, 2018, 02:14:24 pm
Earle
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: PapaHog on September 01, 2018, 04:16:20 pm
2a8 is BAD wrong. That's just somebody putting teams somewhere that doesn't know.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 01, 2018, 05:06:01 pm
Quote from: PapaHog on September 01, 2018, 04:16:20 pm
2a8 is BAD wrong. That's just somebody putting teams somewhere that doesn't know.

Yep. LC is going to run that conference this year.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: old.dole on September 01, 2018, 05:50:35 pm
Laf county will be solid but so will jc Bearden and Pc. There are a few others in that league that could make some noise as well
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Eagles on September 02, 2018, 09:24:03 am
2a7 Boys                                       2a7 Girls

Foreman                                        Cossatot
Dierks                                           Murfreesboro
Gurdon                                          Acorn
Horatio                                          Mt. Ida
Acorn                                            Horatio
Cossatot                                        Gurdon
Murfreesboro                                 Dierks
Mt. Ida                                          Foreman

This conference in boys is way down. The girls side is better, at least they'll compete well in regionals.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: PapaHog on September 02, 2018, 01:13:22 pm
I don't see Woodlawn being last and I don't see Harmony Grove finishing that high. Lafayette County has the talent to compete...I wouldn't say they will run the conference. This conference is loaded. Absolutely loaded.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ice Water on September 02, 2018, 08:19:29 pm
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Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: LeftyWorld on September 03, 2018, 09:18:55 am
2A 5S

Boys.                                       Girls
England.                                Carlisle
Cutter                                    Bigelow
Maumelle Charter.                   England
Poyen.                                    Poyen
Magnet Cove.                         Magnet Cove
Carlisle.                                  Maumelle Charter
Hazen.                                   Cutter
Bigelow.                                Hazen

In boys I think England is clearly the favorite with the next 3-4 schools all battling. In Girls I think it's a toss up between Carlisle, Bigelow, and England. Then Poyen rounding out the top 4.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: LeftyWorld on September 03, 2018, 09:20:34 am
Quote from: Eagles on September 02, 2018, 09:24:03 am
2a7 Boys                                       2a7 Girls

Foreman                                        Cossatot
Dierks                                           Murfreesboro
Gurdon                                          Acorn
Horatio                                          Mt. Ida
Acorn                                            Horatio
Cossatot                                        Gurdon
Murfreesboro                                 Dierks
Mt. Ida                                          Foreman

This conference in boys is way down. The girls side is better, at least they'll compete well in regionals.

Solid picks
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Lionroar on September 04, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
Quote from: Eagles on September 02, 2018, 09:24:03 am
2a7 Boys                                       2a7 Girls

Foreman                                        Cossatot
Dierks                                           Murfreesboro
Gurdon                                          Acorn
Horatio                                          Mt. Ida
Acorn                                            Horatio
Cossatot                                        Gurdon
Murfreesboro                                 Dierks
Mt. Ida                                          Foreman

This conference in boys is way down. The girls side is better, at least they'll compete well in regionals.

I don't agree with the girls side. I believe Acorn and Mt. Ida will be higher than that. Mt. Ida is returning everyone from a team that made it to State last year and Acorn is always good no matter what they have.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Basketballfan13 on September 04, 2018, 01:30:23 pm
Quote from: Lionroar on September 04, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
I don't agree with the girls side. I believe Acorn and Mt. Ida will be higher than that. Mt. Ida is returning everyone from a team that made it to State last year and Acorn is always good no matter what they have.
Jackson is out for Acorn until at least January I believe.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hillbillyball on September 04, 2018, 06:46:42 pm
Quote from: Lionroar on September 04, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
I don't agree with the girls side. I believe Acorn and Mt. Ida will be higher than that. Mt. Ida is returning everyone from a team that made it to State last year and Acorn is always good no matter what they have.
Quote from: Basketballfan13 on September 04, 2018, 01:30:23 pm
Jackson is out for Acorn until at least January I believe.

That will hurt Acorn girls for awhile then, they'll still be decent and not to be taken lightly though. Coach Jackson does a good job with what he has.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Eagles on September 04, 2018, 08:19:42 pm
Quote from: Basketballfan13 on September 04, 2018, 01:30:23 pm
Jackson is out for Acorn until at least January I believe.

That's why I placed them 3rd. It'll be a tougher early on in conference, but I feel they'll still be good enough to beat most of their conference foes.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Bosshog34 on September 06, 2018, 09:01:53 am
Quote from: Eagles on September 02, 2018, 09:24:03 am
2a7 Boys                                       2a7 Girls

Foreman                                        Cossatot
Dierks                                           Murfreesboro
Gurdon                                          Acorn
Horatio                                          Mt. Ida
Acorn                                            Horatio
Cossatot                                        Gurdon
Murfreesboro                                 Dierks
Mt. Ida                                          Foreman

This conference in boys is way down. The girls side is better, at least they'll compete well in regionals.

I agree with your picks on the boys side except I could see any of the top 6 finishing in any order.  The boys side are all competitive with each other in the conference but they will all struggle when it comes time for regionals.  Girls side will be Cossatot River, Acorn, Mt Ida, and Murfreesboro.  Not sure on the order of finish. 
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 06, 2018, 09:17:10 am
This is my prediction for 2a8

2a8 Boys                                                   2a 8 girls
Lafayette                                                   Camden Harmony Grove     
Fordyce                                                     Fordyce
Woodlawn                                                 Springhill
Bearden                                                    Parkers Chapel
Camden Harmony Grove                             Junction City
Hampton                                                   Woodlawn
Junction City                                              Hampton
Parkers Chapel                                           Lafayette
Spring Hill                                                  Bearden
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: LeftyWorld on September 06, 2018, 09:53:51 am
You have woodlawn girls kind of low. Depending on what kind of shooting night they have I can see their speed and high tempo being trouble for some teams to handle an entire 4 quarters. They live and die by the 3 though which makes them beatable and almost unbeatable any given night.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: PapaHog on September 06, 2018, 10:09:57 am
Hogman, for some reason it put all of your predictions on one list. Possibly because I'm viewing from mobile..
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ballmember on September 06, 2018, 05:16:54 pm
winner 2a3 girls-Melbourne
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: baller334 on September 06, 2018, 07:48:28 pm
The girls will definitely be exciting and I think it will be a toss up between Melbourne
Riverside and Marmaduke
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 07, 2018, 08:21:29 am
Quote from: LeftyWorld on September 06, 2018, 09:53:51 am
You have Woodlawn girls kind of low. Depending on what kind of shooting night they have I can see their speed and high tempo being trouble for some teams to handle an entire 4 quarters. They live and die by the 3 though which makes them beatable and almost unbeatable any given night.

That is why I put them so low. The inconsistency makes them a toss-up. They could easily finish top 3 if not high but living or dying by the 3 ball is way to risky in my opinion.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Flobbito on September 07, 2018, 08:26:13 am
2a5n  boys                                    girls
WCC                                             Quitman
Quitman                                        Pangburn
Conway Christian                           Conway Christian
Pangburn                                       Des Arc
St. Joseph                                      WCC
Nemo                                             Nemo
SS Bee Branch                                 St. Joseph
Des Arc                                            Bee Branch
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 07, 2018, 08:27:03 am
Quote from: hogman1886 on September 06, 2018, 09:17:10 am
This is my prediction for 2a8

2a8 Boys
Lafayette 
Fordyce
Woodlawn
Bearden
Camden Harmony Grove
Hampton
Junction City
Parkers Chapel
Spring Hill

2a8 Girls
CHG
Fordyce
Springhill
Parkers Chapel
Junction City
Woodlawn
Hampton
Lafayette
Bearden


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Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: RedWolf275 on September 07, 2018, 12:40:43 pm
Quote from: baller334 on September 06, 2018, 07:48:28 pm
The girls will definitely be exciting and I think it will be a toss up between Melbourne
Riverside and Marmaduke

Riverside down to eight players. I don't see them battling for conference championship but they still should be a regional qualifier.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: baller334 on September 07, 2018, 12:55:14 pm
Seriously!!! What happen there, I mean depending on which eight they have could still be very good.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: old.dole on September 08, 2018, 10:04:04 am
You really think junction and Pc will finish in the bottom 3 of that conference?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on September 08, 2018, 01:32:43 pm
Quote from: hogman1886 on September 07, 2018, 08:21:29 am
That is why I put them so low. The inconsistency makes them a toss-up. They could easily finish top 3 if not high but living or dying by the 3 ball is way to risky in my opinion.
Quote from: Flobbito on September 07, 2018, 08:26:13 am
2a5n  boys                                    girls
WCC                                             Quitman
Quitman                                        Pangburn
Conway Christian                           Conway Christian
Pangburn                                       Des Arc
St. Joseph                                      WCC
Nemo                                             Nemo
SS Bee Branch                                 St. Joseph
Des Arc                                            Bee Branch
i think boys will be between WCC and Quitman! But u have WCC way to hi in girls!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on September 08, 2018, 05:54:34 pm
Quote from: Ctucker on September 08, 2018, 01:32:43 pm
i think boys will be between WCC and Quitman! But u have WCC way to hi in girls!

If Des Arc girls stay healthy, they will be in the running. Return pretty much the entire team from last season, plus a starter who missed all year, plus had a nice 9th grade class last year. They did very well at summer camps.

As for our boys, who knows. We have began a new era with a new coach who at least practiced the team all summer.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 10, 2018, 05:12:45 pm
Quote from: old.dole on September 08, 2018, 10:04:04 am
You really think junction and Pc will finish in the bottom 3 of that conference?

Junction could be higher but PC has nothing left. I think they will have a rough couple of year coming up. Lost PG, SG, SF, and the 6'10" Center. They only return their PF. They will struggle. JC lost all of its guard play. The Post Players they have are the best in the conference but if you can't get them the ball you will struggle. JC has a chance to finish higher but I think they will be low.

This conference is crazy you could put 1-6 in any order. 2 teams will be left out of the regional tournament in this conference that would make it if in another conference.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: thebigman3 on September 11, 2018, 09:30:19 am
Quote from: Ctucker on September 08, 2018, 01:32:43 pm
i think boys will be between WCC and Quitman! But u have WCC way to hi in girls!
I'd be surprised if WCC or Quitman does not win this conference with boys, but I'm going to take Pangburn girls to win the conference this year.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: thebigman3 on September 11, 2018, 09:30:47 am
Did Bearden lose anyone in boys?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: SouthBall on September 11, 2018, 10:05:44 am
Quote from: hogman1886 on September 10, 2018, 05:12:45 pm
Junction could be higher but PC has nothing left. I think they will have a rough couple of year coming up. Lost PG, SG, SF, and the 6'10" Center. They only return their PF. They will struggle. JC lost all of its guard play. The Post Players they have are the best in the conference but if you can't get them the ball you will struggle. JC has a chance to finish higher but I think they will be low.

This conference is crazy you could put 1-6 in any order. 2 teams will be left out of the regional tournament in this conference that would make it if in another conference.
They´re losing most of their starters but the depth from last year is still there, people will just have to step up and fill new roles and i think that group of boys is more than capable to win district again. They got used to running the south last year and have a good chance to do it again.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: SouthBall on September 11, 2018, 10:11:49 am
2a8 Boys
1. Parkers Chapel
2. Fordyce
3. Lafeyette
4. Bearden
5. Hampton
6. Junction City
7. Harmony Grove
8. Woodlawn
9. Springhill
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: old.dole on September 11, 2018, 03:31:42 pm
Bearden lost berry, old Hughes, marks, and their 6th man. They bring back the big mcwhorter boy and another forward that came off the bench along with the 9th grader they moved up. They got another nice 9th grader from last year too. They will be salty again
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: leaderofthepack10 on September 12, 2018, 07:17:08 am
2A-3 Boys                                           2A-3 Girls
1. Bay                                                              1. Melbourne
2. BIC                                                              2. Marmaduke
3. Sloan Hendrix                                               3. Riverside
4. Rector                                                          4. Salem
5. Riverside                                                      5. Sloan Hendrix
6. Marmaduke                                                  6. BIC
7. Salem                                                          7. Rector
8. Melbourne                                                    8. Bay has no SR girls team I heard
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: thebigman3 on September 12, 2018, 01:17:59 pm
Quote from: old.dole on September 11, 2018, 03:31:42 pm
Bearden lost berry, old Hughes, marks, and their 6th man. They bring back the big mcwhorter boy and another forward that came off the bench along with the 9th grader they moved up. They got another nice 9th grader from last year too. They will be salty again
Last year they were definitely very good, and I would like to see them be good this year.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Flobbito on September 12, 2018, 05:17:31 pm
Quote from: SouthBall on September 11, 2018, 10:11:49 am
2a8 Boys
1. Parkers Chapel
2. Fordyce
3. Lafeyette
4. Bearden
5. Hampton
6. Junction City
7. Harmony Grove
8. Woodlawn
9. Springhill

With everything PC lost from last year, what is your thinking on their boys team topping the conference?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: old.dole on September 12, 2018, 05:45:41 pm
Lots of young talent on that team that only got better going against the ones that graduated last year. Sophomores and juniors were both conference runner ups in jh they may not finish first but they most definitely will not finish next to last
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: trojanman on September 13, 2018, 02:26:12 pm
2a8 boys

1. Bearden- lose top 2 scorers and floor general, bring back shooter with range, physical post man and I'll pick them to finish first in the regular season
2. JC- bring back best post player in the league, guard play is the question mark here. I'll take them #2 in the regular season and could finish 1st
3. PC- My Trojans lose a ton but bring back a ton. Game experience will be the weakness but I believe they will finish the second half of the season strong
4. LC- very athletic but also undisciplined. New Coach and a good junior high moving up put them in the 4 spot for me
5. Fordyce- Athletes, young last year and will be improved, can they cause enough turnovers to win?
6. Woodlawn- live and die by the 3 can they stay hot enough to win a bunch of games?
7. Hampton- return everyone from last year and will be better but I don't think it will be enough this year with a new coach.
8. Grove- have heard they may have some guys playing that didn't play last year and they will need them. If true they should finish a little higher
9. Springhill- will be improved but outgunned. I think they can win some games just not enough to keep them out of the bottom
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: birddawg1986 on September 14, 2018, 08:04:18 am
2A 6 Boys:(District Tournament will be @ Marked Tree

1. Earle: 3 peat champs looking for 4. Crowder, Cisero, Smith are enough to win. Without Billy Murray can new coach push right buttons.
2. Marked Tree: Brown, Brown & Johnson provide scoring. The #16 player in the class of 2021 transfer in (Israel Malone 6'3 lefty reminds you of
                        Doolittle of Earle, Harrisburg transfer Brennan Honeycutt also 10th grader sharpshooter who played up for Harrisburg last season.
3. Clarendon: Maleek Cartwright, Maleek Cartwright, Maleek Cartwright. Will be the best player in the conference Not sure how good guard play will be.
4. EPC: Still have Bush, Gilmore + 10th grader Rains. Will be very competitive.
5. Barton: 16-8 last year not sure what's coming back but dropping classifications could be the surprise team of the new conference.
6. McCrory: 8-13 last season new coach I believe
7. Cross Co: 5-18 last season under first-year coach Tony Jones.
8. Kipp Delta: 5-18 in 2018.
9. Mariana Lee: 3-20 in 2018

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogman1886 on September 21, 2018, 10:46:30 am
Quote from: trojanman on September 13, 2018, 02:26:12 pm
2a8 boys

1. Bearden- lose top 2 scorers and floor general, bring back shooter with range, physical postman and I'll pick them to finish first in the regular season
2. JC- bring back best post player in the league, guard play is the question mark here. I'll take them #2 in the regular season and could finish 1st
3. PC- My Trojans lose a ton but bring back a ton. Game experience will be the weakness but I believe they will finish the second half of the season strong
4. LC- very athletic but also undisciplined. New Coach and a good junior high moving up put them in the 4 spot for me
5. Fordyce- Athletes, young last year and will be improved, can they cause enough turnovers to win?
6. Woodlawn- live and die by the 3 can they stay hot enough to win a bunch of games?
7. Hampton- return everyone from last year and will be better but I don't think it will be enough this year with a new coach.
8. Grove- have heard they may have some guys playing that didn't play last year and they will need them. If true they should finish a little higher
9. Springhill- will be improved but outgunned. I think they can win some games just not enough to keep them out of the bottom

I don't see PC finishing that high. I think they will struggle. Looking back at the few games I saw them play late in the season it looked like the Dawson kid scored or made 75% of their points possible. They will struggle on defense. The 6'10" kid was a threat everytime someone drove. They won't have that this year. They lost their best shooter. They will have a few younger guys step up, but I don't think it will be enough in this conference(this year). I see them finishing bottom half of the conference.

I could see Bearden and JC doing well but LC will be much improved. I heard they will run a full court run and jump which could cause trouble for some team because of the depth that they will have.

I think Woodlawn and HG could create problems for people. HG did lose 2 big time scorers and their big man but they played a lot of young guys. If you are right and they can pull a few from the football team they will make some noise. They have athletes everywhere on the football field. Woodlawn, as you said, lives and dies by the 3 and will beat some people they shouldn't but then lose to a team they should beat.

I think Young at Hampton will get the Bulldogs firing on all cylinders and they will also have a good run. With everyone coming back, I don't see how they couldn't upset a few teams and slide up a few spots.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: CoachWhoever on September 22, 2018, 02:59:46 pm
PC is well coached. Langley always finds a way to get more out of his guys than he should. I expect them to be middle to upper parts of the conference. Their biggest challenge is going to be defensively. They weren't great defensively last year with the big man off the floor. They won't be the same offensively, but if they can figure out who they are on the other side of the ball, then they will be fine.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: hogtastics on October 05, 2018, 11:19:39 pm
2A 5South

BOYS
CMS
England
Maumelle Charter
Poyen
Magnet Cove
Carlisle
Bigelow
Hazen

GIRLS
Carlisle
Bigelow
Poyen
CMS
England
Magnet Cove
Hazen
Maumelle Charter

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: old.dole on October 06, 2018, 04:36:54 pm
Switch England and cutter in the boys. England returns some really good players off a state tournament team
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Cheek on October 07, 2018, 01:13:21 pm
Quote from: old.dole on October 06, 2018, 04:36:54 pm
Switch England and cutter in the boys. England returns some really good players off a state tournament team

England Boys and Girls dominated this conference in the past, and will again.  I expect England Boys will win conference,  and Bigelow and England girls will battle for the top spot on the Girls side.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: LeftyWorld on October 07, 2018, 06:15:03 pm
Quote from: Cheek on October 07, 2018, 01:13:21 pm
England Boys and Girls dominated this conference in the past, and will again.  I expect England Boys will win conference,  and Bigelow and England girls will battle for the top spot on the Girls side.

Carlisle girls should not go quietly. I expect them to give Bigelow and England a run for their money. England boys will be dominate in this conference. Brakebill moving to Poyen May be able to slow England down but i dont know if he could pull it off. He did always give Baptist prep fits when he was out manned as far as talent goes.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: HoopKing on October 08, 2018, 09:37:34 am
The last two years England and Carlisle Jr high teams have been neck and neck in Jr high and Carlisle returns 3 starters.  I think there are 4 teams in girls that can win conference. Carlisle england Bigelow and poyen. I am looking forward to those battles.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on November 10, 2018, 01:15:46 am
2A1 Boys:

Yellville-Summit
Eureka Springs
Flippin
Cotter
Haas Hall Fayetteville
Decatur

HH Bentonville and Arkansas Arts Academy are not competing in this conference in this sport this year.

Flip Y-S and Eureka possibly.  Switch Cotter and HH and Decatur in a 3 card monty at the bottom any way you want.  Flippin is a solid 3 in between.  Cotter is learning a hard lesson about playing nothing but seniors last year.  They had a great regular season last year, but they have absolutely no experience so far this year and it shows.  Y-S and Eureka Springs on the other hand are bringing almost all starters and contributors back from pretty successful years last year, YS at the 3A level.

Does anyone know which conferences will be paired for regionals since many teams got shuffled?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on November 10, 2018, 07:19:28 pm
The 2A1 conference has to be the weakest conference in the state this year.  Yellville should walk away with this one.   Yellville needs to try somehow and schedule some competitive ballgames to prepare for regionals.  The Clinton and Bergman games were scrapped, those were by far the toughest non-conference games on the schedule.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on November 11, 2018, 01:11:47 am
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on November 10, 2018, 07:19:28 pm
The 2A1 conference has to be the weakest conference in the state this year.  Yellville should walk away with this one.   Yellville needs to try somehow and schedule some competitive ballgames to prepare for regionals.  The Clinton and Bergman games were scrapped, those were by far the toughest non-conference games on the schedule.
No doubt. If they take care of business on Monday against Jasper, they will get to play Jonesboro Westside, which will be good. But if they win that, they will likely be playing Alpena, Deer or Flippin, which are all decently solid teams, but not elite competition.  And Marshall will probably be way down.  The North Arkansas College tournament will be okay, but don't know who will be in that one.  Since Valley has decided to spread themselves far afield, they don't cross our path.  Yellville could easily end up at 23-2 or something and get blown out in the first round of the state.  We didn't play Osceola as well as Valley did last year, but we didn't embarrass ourselves in regionals when we were the smallest 3A team last year, and future rotations are based on previous year's enrollment.  So we basically had 2A numbers, and were playing 3A powerhouses.

Do you know which conference the 2A1 is matched up with in regionals this year?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on November 11, 2018, 04:55:43 pm
I was thinking 2A1 was paired with 2A4 in regionals, but I may be way off.

Overall it seems boys and girls basketball is down this year in North Central Arkansas.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on November 12, 2018, 01:32:54 am
Bergman, Valley and Norfork are pretty good in girls, but I haven't seen very much elsewhere, that is true. I think Jasper is pretty decent too.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Basketballfan13 on November 12, 2018, 02:13:27 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on November 11, 2018, 01:11:47 am
No doubt. If they take care of business on Monday against Jasper, they will get to play Jonesboro Westside, which will be good. But if they win that, they will likely be playing Alpena, Deer or Flippin, which are all decently solid teams, but not elite competition.  And Marshall will probably be way down.  The North Arkansas College tournament will be okay, but don't know who will be in that one.  Since Valley has decided to spread themselves far afield, they don't cross our path.  Yellville could easily end up at 23-2 or something and get blown out in the first round of the state.  We didn't play Osceola as well as Valley did last year, but we didn't embarrass ourselves in regionals when we were the smallest 3A team last year, and future rotations are based on previous year's enrollment.  So we basically had 2A numbers, and were playing 3A powerhouses.

Do you know which conference the 2A1 is matched up with in regionals this year?
I believe that Valley is back in the NAC tournament for this year.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on November 12, 2018, 05:02:21 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on November 12, 2018, 01:32:54 am
Bergman, Valley and Norfork are pretty good in girls, but I haven't seen very much elsewhere, that is true. I think Jasper is pretty decent too.

Yeah, they are good but all are down a notch from last year. Bergman boys are up. Yellville has gone from a tough 3A/4A blended conference to one of the weakest 2A conferences so they should finish strong.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on November 12, 2018, 06:28:00 pm
Quote from: Basketballfan13 on November 12, 2018, 02:13:27 pm
I believe that Valley is back in the NAC tournament for this year.
It looked like they were going to the Mountain Home Christmas Tournament instead

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/valley-springs-tigers-(valley-springs,ar)/basketball/schedule.htm
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ak58 on November 14, 2018, 10:38:01 pm
Quote from: hogman1886 on September 07, 2018, 08:27:03 am
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Fordyce was down to 5 girls after the OBU tourney. Don't think they will be a factor. It will be between Spring Hill and Harmony Grove. SH has one the last 3 meetings, they will meet up in 2 weeks.  Don't know much about any of the other girls. I think Woodlawn girls made 1A state tourney last year. So they shouldn't be a slouch!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on December 05, 2018, 01:08:12 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on November 10, 2018, 07:19:28 pm
The 2A1 conference has to be the weakest conference in the state this year.  Yellville should walk away with this one.   Yellville needs to try somehow and schedule some competitive ballgames to prepare for regionals. 

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Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on December 05, 2018, 06:45:00 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on December 05, 2018, 01:08:12 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Let me reword that, Yellville will walk away with it behind Eureka.
Eureka Springs seems legit. They have played a pretty challenging schedule thus far, with wins against Pea Ridge and a few other decent teams.  Possibly played Valley Springs their toughest game and only losing by 4 or 5. Only lost to 4A Berryville by a few.

I don't see anyone giving Yellville or Eureka a challenge in the 2A-1

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on December 06, 2018, 09:46:34 am
Quote from: future_coach® on December 05, 2018, 01:08:12 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Yes, the performance on Tuesday merits this response.  But it was more about execution and game 16 vs game 6 as far as playing shape and anticipating passes, etc.  Eureka should enjoy the home win very early in the season and they deserve all the credit for a great shooting performance.  But if they think the game at the very end of January at our place will be that easy, then I would think again.  All excuses aside, at this point they are the top of this conference without a doubt.  I will be interested to see how they do on the road against Flippin this Friday.  A good shooting team sometimes has off nights.  Fortunately for Eureka, they can have a lot of off nights in our conference and be in no real danger most of the time.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on December 06, 2018, 01:36:45 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on December 06, 2018, 09:46:34 am
Yes, the performance on Tuesday merits this response.  But it was more about execution and game 16 vs game 6 as far as playing shape and anticipating passes, etc.  Eureka should enjoy the home win very early in the season and they deserve all the credit for a great shooting performance.  But if they think the game at the very end of January at our place will be that easy, then I would think again.  All excuses aside, at this point they are the top of this conference without a doubt.  I will be interested to see how they do on the road against Flippin this Friday.  A good shooting team sometimes has off nights.  Fortunately for Eureka, they can have a lot of off nights in our conference and be in no real danger most of the time.

Eureka scheduled several tough nonconference games (along with some cupcakes), I think this has paid off for them. However the second half of the season looks way too easy for them.  This will cause problems once the playoffs arrive.  Yellville's and Eureka's bench will get to see lots of action here on out.
Like they say you are only good as your competition.

I just don't see many good competitive games in the 2A-1.

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Bosshog34 on January 22, 2019, 01:06:48 pm
Now that we are only a couple weeks away from district tournaments, how are all the conferences shaping up?  2A-7 looks like this at the moment.  Outside of Dierks and Gurdon at the top the rest of the league has been really competitive with everyone beating up on each other. 

1. Dierks (10-0)
2. Gurdon (7-2)
3. Mount Ida (5-4)
4. Cossatot River (5-5)
5. Acorn (5-5)
6. Foreman (4-6)
7. Horatio (3-7)
8. Murfreesboro (0-10)
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: baller334 on January 22, 2019, 01:10:05 pm
Quote from: RedWolf275 on September 07, 2018, 12:40:43 pm
Riverside down to eight players. I don't see them battling for conference championship but they still should be a regional qualifier.

So where are we now with this girls conference?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Mustangfans on January 22, 2019, 02:32:14 pm
Quote from: baller334 on January 22, 2019, 01:10:05 pm
So where are we now with this girls conference?
Riverside will win conference. I'm going out on a limb and saying that Marmaduke will be runner-up. Only because districts are at BIC and they have always played good there. Melbourne will place 3rd. Again I'm going out on a limb and predicting BIC will get the 4th spot beating out Sloan-Hendrix at home.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: RedWolf275 on January 22, 2019, 04:21:48 pm
Quote from: baller334 on January 22, 2019, 01:10:05 pm
So where are we now with this girls conference?

Down to 7 now. The Lady Rebels freshman point guard has been great and helped
elevate their potential.

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: GoodGuy on January 23, 2019, 08:51:04 am
The 5-2A Girls looks like this:

1. Bigelow- 11-0 with Maumelle Charter, England, and Cutter left
2. England- 9-2 with Hazen, Bigelow, and Magnet Cove left
3. Poyen-    8-3 with Cutter, Hazen, and Carlisle left
4. Carlisle-  6-5 with Cutter, Maumelle Charter and Poyen left
5. Magnet Cove- 5-7 with Hazen and England left
6. Cutter-   4-7 with Carlisle, Poyen and Bigelow left
7. Maumelle Charter- 1-10 with Bigelow, Carlisle and Hazen left
8. Hazen-   0-10 with England, Magnet Cove, Poyen and Maumelle Charter left

For seeding purposes, if Bigelow beats England, they will be tied with Poyen. They split their series, Poyen beat England by 18 in the first game and then England beat Poyen by 7. The rest should stay the same most likely unless there are any big upsets.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: GoodGuy on January 23, 2019, 09:20:42 am
The 5-2A Boys looks like this:

1. England-   11-0 with Hazen, Bigelow and Magnet Cove left
2.Bigelow-   8-3 with Maumelle Charter, England and Cutter left
3. Magnet Cove-   8-4 with Hazen and England left
4. Cutter-   7-4 with Carlisle, Poyen and Bigelow left
5. Maumelle Charter-   5-6 with Bigelow, Carlisle, and Hazen left
6. Poyen-   3-8 with Cutter, Hazen, and Carlisle left
7. Hazen-   1-9 with England, Magnet Cove, Poyen and Maumelle Charter left
8. Carlisle-   1-10 with Cutter, Maumelle Charter and Poyen left

Seeding is most likely going to be the same except Magnet Cove and Cutter could tie for 3rd and they split their series and  both will get the max 10 points so I'm not sure on the next tie breaking steps. Carlisle and Hazen will most likely tie for 7th but with them splitting and Hazen only winning by 1 point, Carlisle should be the 7 seed and Hazen the 8.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Cheek on January 23, 2019, 09:40:58 am
Quote from: GoodGuy on January 23, 2019, 08:51:04 am
The 5-2A Girls looks like this:

1. Bigelow- 11-0 with Maumelle Charter, England, and Cutter left
2. England- 9-2 with Hazen, Bigelow, and Magnet Cove left
3. Poyen-    8-3 with Cutter, Hazen, and Carlisle left
4. Carlisle-  6-5 with Cutter, Maumelle Charter and Poyen left
5. Magnet Cove- 5-7 with Hazen and England left
6. Cutter-   4-7 with Carlisle, Poyen and Bigelow left
7. Maumelle Charter- 1-10 with Bigelow, Carlisle and Hazen left
8. Hazen-   0-10 with England, Magnet Cove, Poyen and Maumelle Charter left

For seeding purposes, if Bigelow beats England, they will be tied with Poyen. They split their series, Poyen beat England by 18 in the first game and then England beat Poyen by 7. The rest should stay the same most likely unless there are any big upsets.

The 1 and 4 are set.  The 2 and 3 are still in question.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: 54Bearkatz2014 on January 23, 2019, 05:53:44 pm
Quote from: Mustangfans on January 22, 2019, 02:32:14 pm
Riverside will win conference. I'm going out on a limb and saying that Marmaduke will be runner-up. Only because districts are at BIC and they have always played good there. Melbourne will place 3rd. Again I'm going out on a limb and predicting BIC will get the 4th spot beating out Sloan-Hendrix at home.

I've gotta say this is wrong. Melbourne should handle business and take the first seed. They are the best team on nearly every given night. They had one slip up on the road at Marmaduke. Any other time they'll beat Marmaduke 20.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: 54Bearkatz2014 on January 23, 2019, 05:58:21 pm
Quote from: leaderofthepack10 on September 12, 2018, 07:17:08 am
2A-3 Boys                                           2A-3 Girls
1. Bay                                                              1. Melbourne
2. BIC                                                              2. Marmaduke
3. Sloan Hendrix                                               3. Riverside
4. Rector                                                          4. Salem
5. Riverside                                                      5. Sloan Hendrix
6. Marmaduke                                                  6. BIC
7. Salem                                                          7. Rector
8. Melbourne                                                    8. Bay has no SR girls team I heard

Seems a bit odd to have Melbourne as 8th when they are .500 in conference now, with all but two of their loses coming by less than 5 points. They can easily be a top 4 team in this conference. It took them a while to get in a groove since they played football late into the year, only Melbourne and Salem from this conference participate in football. They've won 4 straight games and will be hard to beat down the stetch. They are very athletic.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: GoodGuy on January 25, 2019, 10:11:45 am
Quote from: GoodGuy on January 23, 2019, 09:20:42 am
The 5-2A Boys looks like this:

1. England-   11-0 with Hazen, Bigelow and Magnet Cove left
2.Bigelow-   8-3 with Maumelle Charter, England and Cutter left
3. Magnet Cove-   8-4 with Hazen and England left
4. Cutter-   7-4 with Carlisle, Poyen and Bigelow left
5. Maumelle Charter-   5-6 with Bigelow, Carlisle, and Hazen left
6. Poyen-   3-8 with Cutter, Hazen, and Carlisle left
7. Hazen-   1-9 with England, Magnet Cove, Poyen and Maumelle Charter left
8. Carlisle-   1-10 with Cutter, Maumelle Charter and Poyen left

Seeding is most likely going to be the same except Magnet Cove and Cutter could tie for 3rd and they split their series and  both will get the max 10 points so I'm not sure on the next tie breaking steps. Carlisle and Hazen will most likely tie for 7th but with them splitting and Hazen only winning by 1 point, Carlisle should be the 7 seed and Hazen the 8.


I may have been a little off on the seedings staying the same. Right now the standings look like this:

1. England 11-0
2. Bigelow 8-4
3. Magnet Cove 8-4
4. Cutter- 8-4
5. Maumelle Charter- 6-6
6. Poyen- 3-8
7. Hazen 1-9
8. Carlisle 1-11

Bigelow plays 2 of the top four teams in the conference in their last 2 games so they could end up 8-6 while Maumelle Charter could win they last 2 and get to 8-6 as well. And with Maumelle Charter beating Bigelow twice, they would be the four seed and Bigelow could be the five seed.

What I'm saying is that England is locked at 1, and Poyen, Carlisle and Hazen will be 6,7 and 8 in some order but the 2-5 will come down to the last conference game.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 26, 2019, 01:08:32 am
Quote from: YSpanther on December 06, 2018, 09:46:34 am
Yes, the performance on Tuesday merits this response.  But it was more about execution and game 16 vs game 6 as far as playing shape and anticipating passes, etc.  Eureka should enjoy the home win very early in the season and they deserve all the credit for a great shooting performance.  But if they think the game at the very end of January at our place will be that easy, then I would think again.  All excuses aside, at this point they are the top of this conference without a doubt.  I will be interested to see how they do on the road against Flippin this Friday.  A good shooting team sometimes has off nights.  Fortunately for Eureka, they can have a lot of off nights in our conference and be in no real danger most of the time.
Now next week, the return game back in Yellville will be next Tuesday.  After both YS and ES having to go to Flippin earlier in the year and getting waylaid there by 7 and 10 respectively, ES got their revenge tonight with a 21 point revenge win against Flippin at home.  So we will see if YS can return the favor and recoup a win against ES. The top 3 teams in the conference have held serve at home and lost to the others on the road. If Yellville can get even with Eureka next week, they have an appointment with Flippin the following week. If the trends continue, we could have a 3 way tie for first at 8-2 at the end with tiebreakers deciding the seedings at districts. The standings right now are this with 2 weeks to go in 2A-1

Flippin       7-1     Decatur, Yellville left
Eureka       6-1    Yellville, Cotter, Haas Hall left
Yellville      6-2     Eureka, Flippin left
Cotter        3-6     Eureka left
Haas Hall    2-6    Decatur, Eureka left
Decatur      0-8    Haas Hall, Flippin left

Girls standings:

Cotter       8-1
Eureka      6-1
Flippin       4-4
Decatur     3-5
Yellville      3-5
Haas Hall   0-8
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on January 26, 2019, 12:33:04 pm
How does the tie-breaker system work?  I know it is a point-based system
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: GoodGuy on January 26, 2019, 03:47:28 pm
If it's two teams in the tie then it goes head to head. I the teams say played twice and they split the games then it goes to the second tie breaker which is margin of victory in those games with the most points you count is 10. If the teams are still tied then it goes to the next tie breaker which is margin of victory in all conference games.

If there are three teams tied it's a little more complicated and first goes to head to head until there two teams left in the tie and then they go by the above rules. Or at least that is how I understand it.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 26, 2019, 08:32:37 pm
Quote from: GoodGuy on January 26, 2019, 03:47:28 pm
If it's two teams in the tie then it goes head to head. I the teams say played twice and they split the games then it goes to the second tie breaker which is margin of victory in those games with the most points you count is 10. If the teams are still tied then it goes to the next tie breaker which is margin of victory in all conference games.

If there are three teams tied it's a little more complicated and first goes to head to head until there two teams left in the tie and then they go by the above rules. Or at least that is how I understand it.

What he said, but if it ends up a 3 way tie with all the head to heads a split, then I think it can get to margin in conference victories, with it capped at 10 on those as well. But Yellville-Summit has to take care of business at home to make this happen.  If they only win one then they fall to third seed at 7-3 and then one of the other 2 teams would finish at 9-1 and the other at 8-2. If they lose both, then the other two would fight it through the tiebreakers at 9-1, if they take care of business themselves.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: birddawg1986 on January 26, 2019, 09:39:06 pm
Boys

Marked Tree.     
Earle             
EPC.         
Cross County

Clarendon
Barton
Lee
Kipp Delta
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Made on January 27, 2019, 01:28:39 pm
Pretty sure yellville is the 3 seed even with two wins checking points now
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 27, 2019, 01:48:32 pm
Quote from: Made on January 27, 2019, 01:28:39 pm
Pretty sure yellville is the 3 seed even with two wins they had one game where they didn't get a 10 point win which gives them the least amount of points. They can still grab a share of the title though
Do you mean head to head with Eureka and Flippin or others? We only beat Cotter by 9 in one game, but Flippin has a 4 point victory against Haas Hall, a 6 vs Cotter and a 7 vs. us.  Other than the obvious losses, our only victory less than 10 in conference was Cotter by 9.  So if we were to win those 2, depending on margin, we are in a better position than Flippin, but worse than Eureka, which would probably mean a 2 seed. Because while I can see us beating Eureka, it would have to be by 10 and then they would have to only beat Haas Hall or Cotter by 9 or less.  They are in the driver's seat more at this point.

Because these are the score margins so far:

Eureka:  YS 23, Flippin -10, Decatur 22, HH 39, Cotter 31, Decatur 21, Flippin 21

Flippin: HH 4, Eureka 10, Cotter 6, YS 7, Decatur 20, HH 33, Cotter 14, Eureka -21

YS:  Eureka -23, HH 24, Cotter 19, Decatur 32, Flippin -7, Cotter 9, Decatur 33, HH 29
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 27, 2019, 01:49:51 pm
Quote from: birddawg1986 on January 26, 2019, 09:39:06 pm
Boys

Marked Tree.     
Earle             
EPC.         
Cross County

Clarendon
Barton
Lee
Kipp Delta
So will our district cross play such as with your predictions... Clarendon playing Cross Country and Marked Tree playing Kipp etc?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Made on January 27, 2019, 01:59:15 pm
Points per game only goes to 10, looks like yellville needs to win by a combined 14 points in last two games to grab 2 seed from Flippin win both by 10 and hope eureka drops a point or two to haas hall and or cotter
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 27, 2019, 02:04:35 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on January 27, 2019, 01:49:51 pm
So will our district cross play such as with your predictions... Clarendon playing Cross Country and Marked Tree playing Kipp etc?
If there are no surprises or upsets at district tournaments, then probably.  But I have seen weird things happen where the number one team hands down, lets down their guard and ends up the 3 seed because of a loss before the championship game, and the other district has a situation where a really solid 2 seed from their side has to play a 3 from the other that should have been the 1.  And that 3 from districts ends up being the 1 seed out of the region going into state because they got their act together, and a team that might have gotten to state otherwise gets a nasty draw at regionals because of something like that.  And you see it happen in districts more than anywhere, because coaches and teams get to know each others' weaknesses so well that in a certain game, sometimes they can exploit it with a really good shooting night thrown in.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on January 27, 2019, 02:23:14 pm
So in theory, Yellville's 9 point win over Cotter vs. a 10 point win could come back to hurt them?  IF Yellville were to beat Flippin and Eureka by 10 or more, and Eureka wins by 10 in their last two games.

On another subject, It seems odd to me that some conferences have 9 teams and others have only 6 ( I believe last year there were a couple with only 5 teams, not looked at all of them this year), but still send the same number of teams to regionals.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 27, 2019, 06:38:11 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on January 27, 2019, 02:23:14 pm
So in theory, Yellville's 9 point win over Cotter vs. a 10 point win could come back to hurt them?  IF Yellville were to beat Flippin and Eureka by 10 or more, and Eureka wins by 10 in their last two games.

On another subject, It seems odd to me that some conferences have 9 teams and others have only 6 ( I believe last year there were a couple with only 5 teams, not looked at all of them this year), but still send the same number of teams to regionals.
Yes, which unfortunately creates situations where teams chasing seeding or the conference championship have an interest in running up scores and in putting starters back in when scores begin getting tight.  YS was up on Cotter much more than that, but several second teamers got significant playing time in the second half of that game against many of the Cotter starters and the point difference was arrived at on a made, last second shot by Cotter at  the end of the game. Don't know if coach regrets that at all or not.  Probably didn't think it would get down to that on a play like that.  Not sure, but it might have been a 3.

And in our conference, it wasn't planned that way.  There are 2 other private schools that did play SOME games this year, even against a few of the other conference members, but begged out of competing a full schedule in the conference.  They requested to be part of the classification process, yet didn't participate when it came down to it.  The AAA won't put more than 9 in a conference, and that is usually to try and save on travel.  It is usually where a cluster of 9 makes sense, but which one do you peel off and punish to send somewhere far away.  This conference is kind of a Frankenstein and didn't exist in previous years (It obviously did in the past, because the numbering was there).  Last cycle, Decatur was in 1A and I think Haas Hall may have been too. Flippin and Cotter were in 3A 3 years ago with us, but were in a conference with Salem and a bunch of schools to the east like BIC, EPC, Marked Tree, Sloan-Hendrix.  Eureka was down in the 2A 4 with Danville and Hackett and Lavaca.  So last year there were just 6 2A conferences, with none numbered 1,5,6 or 8 but a 4 east and west and a 7 east and west.  This year there is a 1 but not a 2, the 5 is back and has a north and south, 6 is back and so is 8, and the 4 and 7 don't have 2 parts to them. Clear as mud right?

I think what happens is with the going up and down on each end, depending on enrollment, and that changing the dynamics of which teams are close to each other, creates problems.  They try to draw 8 teams into 8 conferences, but some of these schools not running programs after they ask to be part of the mix, is what is keeping the conferences unequal.  Then you have situations like in Bruno-Pyatt, where there is a boys team, but not enough to field a girl's senior team this year.  So if you schedule them a game, then your girls don't have a game.  So you have to do 2 junior high games if you can, etc.  The  one good thing to come out of having 8 conferences again is that you have equal seeding at regionals and state, with no byes or weird brackets to try and fit 3 regions into what should be 4.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 27, 2019, 11:30:05 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on January 27, 2019, 02:04:35 pm
If there are no surprises or upsets at district tournaments, then probably.  But I have seen weird things happen where the number one team hands down, lets down their guard and ends up the 3 seed because of a loss before the championship game, and the other district has a situation where a really solid 2 seed from their side has to play a 3 from the other that should have been the 1.  And that 3 from districts ends up being the 1 seed out of the region going into state because they got their act together, and a team that might have gotten to state otherwise gets a nasty draw at regionals because of something like that.  And you see it happen in districts more than anywhere, because coaches and teams get to know each others' weaknesses so well that in a certain game, sometimes they can exploit it with a really good shooting night thrown in.

This question was about the district tournament...they seem to have us separated within the district because we(Clarendon) only played Marianna, Kipp and Barton twice...the rest we only played once....therefore we can't do the traditional seeding.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 27, 2019, 11:38:56 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on January 27, 2019, 06:38:11 pm
Yes, which unfortunately creates situations where teams chasing seeding or the conference championship have an interest in running up scores and in putting starters back in when scores begin getting tight.  YS was up on Cotter much more than that, but several second teamers got significant playing time in the second half of that game against many of the Cotter starters and the point difference was arrived at on a made, last second shot by Cotter at  the end of the game. Don't know if coach regrets that at all or not.  Probably didn't think it would get down to that on a play like that.  Not sure, but it might have been a 3.

And in our conference, it wasn't planned that way.  There are 2 other private schools that did play SOME games this year, even against a few of the other conference members, but begged out of competing a full schedule in the conference.  They requested to be part of the classification process, yet didn't participate when it came down to it.  The AAA won't put more than 9 in a conference, and that is usually to try and save on travel.  It is usually where a cluster of 9 makes sense, but which one do you peel off and punish to send somewhere far away.  This conference is kind of a Frankenstein and didn't exist in previous years (It obviously did in the past, because the numbering was there).  Last cycle, Decatur was in 1A and I think Haas Hall may have been too. Flippin and Cotter were in 3A 3 years ago with us, but were in a conference with Salem and a bunch of schools to the east like BIC, EPC, Marked Tree, Sloan-Hendrix.  Eureka was down in the 2A 4 with Danville and Hackett and Lavaca.  So last year there were just 6 2A conferences, with none numbered 1,5,6 or 8 but a 4 east and west and a 7 east and west.  This year there is a 1 but not a 2, the 5 is back and has a north and south, 6 is back and so is 8, and the 4 and 7 don't have 2 parts to them. Clear as mud right?

I think what happens is with the going up and down on each end, depending on enrollment, and that changing the dynamics of which teams are close to each other, creates problems.  They try to draw 8 teams into 8 conferences, but some of these schools not running programs after they ask to be part of the mix, is what is keeping the conferences unequal.  Then you have situations like in Bruno-Pyatt, where there is a boys team, but not enough to field a girl's senior team this year.  So if you schedule them a game, then your girls don't have a game.  So you have to do 2 junior high games if you can, etc.  The  one good thing to come out of having 8 conferences again is that you have equal seeding at regionals and state, with no byes or weird brackets to try and fit 3 regions into what should be 4.

This also happened with Bay this year.  As for saving on travel, we traveled much more this cycle because we lost teams like Hazen and Carlisle and picked up EPC, Earle and Marked Tree....I'm not complaining though because the level of competition has been so much better...Our District Tournament will be like a potential State Tournament.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 28, 2019, 09:17:16 am
Quote from: MomaLion on January 27, 2019, 11:38:56 pm
This also happened with Bay this year.  As for saving on travel, we traveled much more this cycle because we lost teams like Hazen and Carlisle and picked up EPC, Earle and Marked Tree....I'm not complaining though because the level of competition has been so much better...Our District Tournament will be like a potential State Tournament.
It is very likely that your district will eliminate teams that could beat teams coming to your regional from the other conference.  Trust me when I say that nobody from our regional is looking forward to getting your regional (which will probably be your conference for the most part) as our total matchup in the first round of state.  When a conference is this stacked (I believe you had 3 of the last 4 left at state last year), I believe we should share the wealth and shuffle the entire field so that the whole state can enjoy your greatness  ;D.  Since we will all be in the same place, it really doesn't make sense to totally match up one regional totally against the other.  I understand why conferences are paired together for regionals, for travel purposes.  But we are all going to Carlisle if we all make it that far.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on January 28, 2019, 11:26:59 am
Looking at the records in the 2A-1. I don't think it really matters who gets the 1 or 2 spot, or even the 3 for that matter. Maybe for bragging rights.  The bottom 3 (out of 6) in this conference are terrible. It's crazy to think that either Haas Hall, Cotter, or Decatur will be going to regionals.

I wonder if playing in this conference does more harm than good. If you are a decent team, you are almost guaranteed post-season play, which is good for any program.

However, the level of play is subpar with several of these schools. In the long run it could bring your program down.

Yellville and Flippin (and possibly cotter) will probably move back to 3A in the near future.  This would be a tough move up after playing in the 2A-1 for a few seasons.

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: GassvilleDragonfly on January 29, 2019, 12:36:56 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on January 28, 2019, 11:26:59 am
Looking at the records in the 2A-1. I don't think it really matters who gets the 1 or 2 spot, or even the 3 for that matter. Maybe for bragging rights.  The bottom 3 (out of 6) in this conference are terrible. It's crazy to think that either Haas Hall, Cotter, or Decatur will be going to regionals.

I wonder if playing in this conference does more harm than good. If you are a decent team, you are almost guaranteed post-season play, which is good for any program.

However, the level of play is subpar with several of these schools. In the long run it could bring your program down.

Yellville and Flippin (and possibly cotter) will probably move back to 3A in the near future.  This would be a tough move up after playing in the 2A-1 for a few seasons.

I agree with that. I played at Cotter when we last made the switch to 3A from 2A. It did help the guys side of things because we were talented in both basketball and baseball, as shown by our state tournament run in 2015 baseball, but we also played a lot better competition in both classifications. While we were 2A, we played the local 3A teams for non conference, which is probably the best crop of sports talent that area will have for a few years. To go on top of that, we played a pretty rough conference schedule to boot, with having to play Cedar Ridge when they had the Reaves and Crabtree brothers in their first two state championships.
That's all to say, that even with our better preparedness to make that move, we were by no means the best team in that conference the two years stint  we were in 3A. It'll be probably a harsher transition for Cotter, Flippin, and YS if and when they move back.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 29, 2019, 09:24:17 pm
Quote from: Made on January 27, 2019, 01:28:39 pm
Pretty sure yellville is the 3 seed even with two wins checking points now
Doesn't matter now.  You were a prognosticator without being right on the points situation.  Eureka flat out came into Yellville and outplayed them in every phase of the game except maybe rebounding.  But when you are shooting that good, it doesn't really better.  They outshot us, outdefended us and took a 6 point lead at the half and made it ten at the end of the 3rd and it was somewhere around 20 at the end of the game because of freethrows, desperate pressing etc.  Yellville has larger and more physical athletes and really should have good chemistry, since this same group started and played almost every minute of 9th grade together while winning junior high district in the 3A, 4 of them have played together since the 5th grade together, but Eureka has played much better as a team both times they have met this year.  I don't know if we bring out their best or what, but when you look at some of their scores against common opponents, it makes me scratch my head a bit.  Sometimes matchups just favor one team and barring some weird freak happening, Eureka should finish number one, and even if Yellville does beat Flippin next week, I don't see anyone on the rest of their schedule doing that to them too, so Eureka will finish with 1 loss, Flippin with 2 at worst and Yellville with 3 at best.  So you pretty much have the seeding at the top, Haas Hall and Cotter are duking it out for the 4 and 5 honors. 
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on January 30, 2019, 11:57:50 am
Quote from: YSpanther on January 29, 2019, 09:24:17 pm
I don't know if we bring out their best or what, but when you look at some of their scores against common opponents, it makes me scratch my head a bit.

Did it ever occur to you that Eureka Springs is just the better basketball team? Honestly, it's just two teams at different levels. 26-5 speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 30, 2019, 05:37:10 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 30, 2019, 11:57:50 am
Did it ever occur to you that Eureka Springs is just the better basketball team? Honestly, it's just two teams at different levels. 26-5 speaks for itself.
The better team, obviously.  Records do speak for themselves.  But if you were to divide up all of the starters on both teams and shuffle them around at a camp and just look at sheer athletic talent and basketball skills while doing drills, etc. even a seasoned coach would be hard pressed to pick out the ones that played on one team or the other.  And the gist of the previous post is that I have watched and even contributed at times (at a lower level) to the starting 5 developing over 8 years of time here.  There should be better chemistry or "knowing what is coming" from a pass, teammate etc. on the Yellville side.  It kills me for them.  I want them to succeed and be successful.  Eureka is not more talented individually or athletically.  But they are definitely a great team and have proven hands down that they are the best team in conference this year, especially in regards to being a team and playing as one and making the right pass and being in the right spot on defense when and where it was needed.

As someone who has watched a lot of basketball, I can say that they are a great team, but one that is not the most naturally talented.  I really don't know what you mean or how to take the  "it's just two teams at different levels".  If you are a Eureka fan, then I get it.  They are good and deserve some credit.  But unless you have seen some of the games I am talking about, it is hard to explain. Many of those 26 wins have been against teams that would've been overmatched by either of these teams.  Both of lost by about the same amount to a Flippin team that is not very tall, but is quick and plays hard.  So if you think I was making excuses, you would be wrong.  I am actually a little baffled.  Ask Ozark, or anyone else in the area, maybe from some place like Cotter or Marshall or somewhere else that have seen both of them play.  The raw talent level is not that different, and the game wasn't a blowout until the fouling and grabbing for steals the last few minutes.  Yellville shot the ball last night like they didn't know they could put it through that hoop.  Other games recently, they could hardly miss.  The 1-3-1 that Eureka runs is very good and is probably the best answer.  I would not be surprised to see them end up head to head in the 1 seed game against Lavaca at the regionals going into state.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: girlsbbfanatic on January 30, 2019, 10:43:11 pm
Quote from: thebigman3 on September 11, 2018, 09:30:19 am
I'd be surprised if WCC or Quitman does not win this conference with boys, but I'm going to take Pangburn girls to win the conference this year.

Pangburn beat Quitman boys the other night. Quitman looked good early but fallin apart now. Quitman girls really down this year to. 2A is a joke in girls.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 31, 2019, 03:09:11 am
Quote from: birddawg1986 on January 26, 2019, 09:39:06 pm
Boys

Marked Tree.     
Earle             
EPC.         
Cross County

Clarendon
Barton
Lee
Kipp Delta

Where is McCrory in this?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 31, 2019, 03:09:30 am
Quote from: birddawg1986 on January 26, 2019, 09:39:06 pm
Boys

Marked Tree.     
Earle             
EPC.         
Cross County

Clarendon
Barton
Lee
Kipp Delta
Where's McCrory in this?
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: MomaLion on January 31, 2019, 03:13:37 am
Quote from: YSpanther on January 28, 2019, 09:17:16 am
It is very likely that your district will eliminate teams that could beat teams coming to your regional from the other conference.  Trust me when I say that nobody from our regional is looking forward to getting your regional (which will probably be your conference for the most part) as our total matchup in the first round of state.  When a conference is this stacked (I believe you had 3 of the last 4 left at state last year), I believe we should share the wealth and shuffle the entire field so that the whole state can enjoy your greatness  ;D.  Since we will all be in the same place, it really doesn't make sense to totally match up one regional totally against the other.  I understand why conferences are paired together for regionals, for travel purposes.  But we are all going to Carlisle if we all make it that far.

True...and some good teams from our district won't even make regionals. Heck, nothing is a given.  It'll be a fight every night.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: birddawg1986 on January 31, 2019, 07:09:36 am
Quote from: MomaLion on January 31, 2019, 03:09:30 am
Where's McCrory in this?
I'm not sure which side McCrory is on. They will either play Cross Co/Kipp Delta for the 4th place spot to see who gets MT or Clarendon.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 10:16:48 am
Quote from: YSpanther on January 30, 2019, 05:37:10 pm
I really don't know what you mean or how to take the  "it's just two teams at different levels".

What I mean is Yellville has 2 wins the entire year against teams with winning records. Deer and Jasper (who honestly isn't very good). Don't want to start an internet battle, but Yellville has just been average all season; underachieving. Eureka Springs has been (for the most part) one of the better teams in the state all season.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 10:25:38 am
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 10:16:48 am
What I mean is Yellville has 2 wins the entire year against teams with winning records. Deer and Jasper (who honestly isn't very good). Don't want to start an internet battle, but Yellville has just been average all season; underachieving. Eureka Springs has been (for the most part) one of the better teams in the state all season.
. Didn't Eureka Springs lose to Berryville! Pretty sure I seen that and if it's so I doubt y'all are one of the best teams in state maybe one of the best in yalls region!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 12:02:27 pm
Quote from: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 10:25:38 am
. Didn't Eureka Springs lose to Berryville! Pretty sure I seen that and if it's so I doubt y'all are one of the best teams in state maybe one of the best in yalls region!

Lost to a 4A team on the road with 2 starters out.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 12:19:48 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 12:02:27 pm
Lost to a 4A team on the road with 2 starters out.
we won Berryville tournament and won the finals that Berryville didn't even make by 15
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 12:21:26 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 12:02:27 pm
Lost to a 4A team on the road with 2 starters out.
I'm not saying y'all are bad I just wouldn't say one of the best in state! But y'all might prove me wrong!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 31, 2019, 12:45:26 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 10:16:48 am
What I mean is Yellville has 2 wins the entire year against teams with winning records. Deer and Jasper (who honestly isn't very good). Don't want to start an internet battle, but Yellville has just been average all season; underachieving. Eureka Springs has been (for the most part) one of the better teams in the state all season.

Eureka's best win came in November over Pea Ridge...other than that, it's been a bunch of not good 1a and 2a teams...

Note I missed the fact y'all throttled Yellville 2 nights ago but my comment about the schedule still stands
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 12:57:33 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 31, 2019, 12:45:26 pm
Eureka's best win came in November over Pea Ridge...other than that, it's been a bunch of not good 1a and 2a teams...

Note I missed the fact y'all throttled Yellville 2 nights ago but my comment about the schedule still stands

I don't think you read that correctly. I said one of the better teams. I would think that most people would have us in the top 10 of 65 2A teams.

And we can only play who's on the schedule. Of the 31 games, we've won 26.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 01:00:58 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 12:57:33 pm
I don't think you read that correctly. I said one of the better teams. I would think that most people would have us in the top 10 of 65 2A teams.

And we can only play who's on the schedule. Of the 31 games, we've won 26.
you did say one of the better teams my bad I would have y'all some where between 7-10 but like I said I could be wrong!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on January 31, 2019, 07:23:40 pm
Quote from: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 10:25:38 am
. Didn't Eureka Springs lose to Berryville! Pretty sure I seen that and if it's so I doubt y'all are one of the best teams in state maybe one of the best in yalls region!

I would think Eureka's lost to Alpena and Flippin would hurt their case more than losing to 4A Berryville. Berryville is way down from previous years but they played Harrison close a week ago, so they must still got a little something going on.

Not exactly sure where Eureka ranks, but if they are indeed a top 5 team, then the 2A title is up for grabs. 
I've been saying it all season, but boy's basketball is way down in North-Central Arkansas this year. With the exception of ICC, I see very few teams if any in this area going too far in state.  Timbo is decent but they can't touch ICC and I guess Valley and Bergman are good, but will struggle once they hit regionals I believe. Not sure what is happening in Melbourne and Mountain View but both programs seem to be on a downhill slide.  Cotter, Omaha, Marshall, Kingston and the list all goes on and on are all down.
Even Harrison seems to be having a little bit of a disappointing season.
Yellville moving down from 3A to the 2A-1 finished third which is what they finished last year playing in a tough 3A-4A blended conference.

Hard for schools to find quality non-conference opponents without having to drive to the flatlands.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 07:46:30 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on January 31, 2019, 07:23:40 pm
I would think Eureka's lost to Alpena and Flippin would hurt their case more than losing to 4A Berryville. Berryville is way down from previous years but they played Harrison close a week ago, so they must still got a little something going on.

Not exactly sure where Eureka ranks, but if they are indeed a top 5 team, then the 2A title is up for grabs. 
I've been saying it all season, but boy's basketball is way down in North-Central Arkansas this year. With the exception of ICC, I see very few teams if any in this area going too far in state.  Timbo is decent but they can't touch ICC and I guess Valley and Bergman are good, but will struggle once they hit regionals I believe. Not sure what is happening in Melbourne and Mountain View but both programs seem to be on a downhill slide.  Cotter, Omaha, Marshall, Kingston and the list all goes on and on are all down.
Even Harrison seems to be having a little bit of a disappointing season.
Yellville moving down from 3A to the 2A-1 finished third which is what they finished last year playing in a tough 3A-4A blended conference.

Hard for schools to find quality non-conference opponents without having to drive to the flatlands.
. They are not top 5 so
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on January 31, 2019, 07:57:43 pm
Quote from: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 07:46:30 pm
. They are not top 5 so

You said as high as 7 in few posts up, ???

Regardless, if Eureka is truly a top 7 team in 2A basketball, then this classification is up for grabs. 
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: Ctucker on January 31, 2019, 08:01:15 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on January 31, 2019, 07:57:43 pm
You said as high as 7 in few posts up, ???

Regardless, if Eureka is truly a top 7 team in 2A basketball, then this classification is up for grabs.
jusr being nice!
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on January 31, 2019, 09:48:57 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on January 31, 2019, 10:16:48 am
What I mean is Yellville has 2 wins the entire year against teams with winning records. Deer and Jasper (who honestly isn't very good). Don't want to start an internet battle, but Yellville has just been average all season; underachieving. Eureka Springs has been (for the most part) one of the better teams in the state all season.
Your facts are not true.  The part you are spot on about is this:  Yellville has been underachieving at times this season, there is no disputing that.  And I will give you that Eureka is the class of this conference by far.  But not one of the better teams in the state.  And if you really want to compare schedules, here are some facts: Eureka does not play football and on average, with tournaments, etc. gets about 12 more games in per year.  Yellville lost to cancellation their first 2 games against Clinton and Bergman because we were still in the football playoffs, that would have gone a long way towards bragging rights one way or the other.  So do not mistake your quantity of wins for quality, if you actually compare numbers.

1)We beat Alpena, who is a team with a winning record that you failed to include.  Eureka lost to them.

2)Both of us played Deer, who is a good, solid team.  They clipped us by 2 at their place, on several very questionable calls.  Pretty much the only time this year I will complain about officiating.  We got them back at home and won by 18.  You guys beat them by 19 and 7 and then dropped a game to them in a tournament by 11. I call this a wash against the same competition.

3) We both played and beat the 3 losing record teams in our conference by pretty similar margins.  Cotter is 9-17, and YS won by 19 and 9.  Eureka won by 31 the first time and have the second game coming up.  Advantage Eureka on that series.  Decatur is 3-16, Y-S won by 32 and 33, ES by 22 and 21.  HH is 2-12, Y-S won by 24 & 29, and ES by 39 with a game to come next week.

4) Flippin:  the surprise of the conference has a good record right now at 19-11 and split with ES with ES losing to them by 10, then getting revenge at home by 21.  Flippin got Y-S at home and got us by 7 there, with the rematch set for next week.  IF, and a big IF Yellville wins that one at home, I consider this a wash as well, even though Flippin will be the 2 seed out of the records, and congratulations to them.

5) Other common opponents.  We both have St. Joe on the schedule and Bruno Pyatt and Lead Hill.  We don't play B-P until next week, but that would be a shocker if we don't win.  Don't know the specifics of ES game against St. Joe, but our game was our JV against their starters and it was an 18 point win. Lead Hill margins were ES at 39 and Y-S 31.  B-P is 5-23 and SJ is 3-27 and LH is 4-30.  Neither of us should be crowing about this strength of schedule.

6) ES other opponents.  As Ctucker was mocking you about, you lost to 9-15 Berryville.  You guys also had a very respectable loss to 29-2 Valley Springs, a 1 point win against 18-6 Pea Ridge and 3 wins against a "technically winning team" of St. Paul at 14-10, that has all of their wins against Bruno-Pyatt 5-23, Decatur 3-16, Oark 3-25, Union Christian 3-16, Mulberry 10-14, Western Yell 9-17, and so on.  You get the picture.

The rest of your schedule after conference foes, Valley, Berryville, LH, BP, PR, SP, SJ  you also played the powerhouses of Mount Judea 1-19, Oark 3-25, Union Christian 3-16, Mulberry/PV 10-14, Arkansas Arts 1-8, Mountainburg 10-11, Kingston 10-20.

The last comparison is our playing of Marshall, they got us by 2 in a tournament.  And then we got them by 15 down at their place.  While they have an 8-13 record, their losses are against Quitman two times, Harmony Grove, 5A Vilonia, 4A Ozark, and the very good teams Clinton X 2, Bergman and Valley Springs X 2 this year.  So this is the opposite of St. Paul in my opinion as far as a quality opponent.

So while you have a valid critique of the strength of the Yellville schedule, I say of those 26 victories for ES only 6 were against winning teams, 3 against Yellville and Flippin, unless you count St. Paul and then it goes up to 9.  And then you have losses to Alpena and Berryville.  So other than the obvious head to head domination, all you have really is quantity, not really any better quality.

And for what its worth, and admittedly it isn't much, Max Preps ranks our strength of schedule at a -5.0, while ES is a - 6.1, and Flippin is a -2.9.  I think if you look at schedules, Flippin has played the most difficult of the top 3 in conference, and while they lost most of their hard games, they very seldom got blown out by those teams.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 09:17:37 am
Quote from: YSpanther on January 31, 2019, 09:48:57 pm
Your facts are not true.

Like I said before, I'm not going to start an Internet battle. The only fact I tossed out was your lack of quality wins and I missed Alpena. You can compare schedules and scores all you want, but in head to head Eureka Springs has beaten Yellville by a combined total of 42 points. You've been touting them all season as the cream of the crop, going as far as saying they won't have any competition in the conference, and you been proven a fool. 
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on February 01, 2019, 11:38:55 am
Quote from: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 09:17:37 am
Like I said before, I'm not going to start an Internet battle. The only fact I tossed out was your lack of quality wins and I missed Alpena. You can compare schedules and scores all you want, but in head to head Eureka Springs has beaten Yellville by a combined total of 42 points. You've been touting them all season as the cream of the crop, going as far as saying they won't have any competition in the conference, and you been proven a fool.
Nope, that was Ozark.  I have said from day one, that it looked like it could be either one at the top, just going from last year's results and common opponents. I have always been complimentary to Eureka.  They are darn good.  And they have without a doubt, put the hammer down on us, especially in the 4th quarter last week. 

But my complaint is your take on your schedule and critique of ours.  They both are very weak tea.  We have lost to only one team with a losing record:  Marshall.  And that is because they are playing a murderer's row this year.  They really aren't that bad.  Every other loss was to a pretty good team.  Your wins came against the same or even lesser competition than us, with the exception of Pea Ridge.  We both fared about the same against Deer and Jasper.  And I find it funny that you conveniently forgot about Alpena, when you guys didn't even beat them yourselves.  If we had had another 3 or 4 weeks to schedule the tough teams of Oark, Mt. Judea, St. Paul, like you guys I think we could've gotten closer to your win totals.

But long story short, I have a problem with your tangential arguments over the comparative schedules, not the head to head games. And you somehow claiming I had slighted Eureka.  From the very first, I listed both together at the top when I guessed standings preseason, then said or flip them around.  The team I dissed ultimately was Flippin.  They are the only one I should apologize to.

All you really had to say was "scoreboard".  Once again, congratulations to the Highlanders and their regular season conference title.  Let's see if we both can get to the championship game in a couple of weeks and see if we can stop playing like deer in the headlights and give you more competition next time.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on February 01, 2019, 11:45:46 am
Quote from: YSpanther on November 10, 2018, 01:15:46 am
2A1 Boys:

Yellville-Summit
Eureka Springs

Flippin
Cotter
Haas Hall Fayetteville
Decatur

HH Bentonville and Arkansas Arts Academy are not competing in this conference in this sport this year.

Flip Y-S and Eureka possibly.  Switch Cotter and HH and Decatur in a 3 card monty at the bottom any way you want.  Flippin is a solid 3 in between.  Cotter is learning a hard lesson about playing nothing but seniors last year.  They had a great regular season last year, but they have absolutely no experience so far this year and it shows.  Y-S and Eureka Springs on the other hand are bringing almost all starters and contributors back from pretty successful years last year, YS at the 3A level.

Does anyone know which conferences will be paired for regionals since many teams got shuffled?

My take back a ways.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on February 01, 2019, 11:50:34 am
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on November 10, 2018, 07:19:28 pm
The 2A1 conference has to be the weakest conference in the state this year.  Yellville should walk away with this one.   Yellville needs to try somehow and schedule some competitive ballgames to prepare for regionals.  The Clinton and Bergman games were scrapped, those were by far the toughest non-conference games on the schedule.
And Ozark's quote right after.  I have never dissed Eureka this year.  And after I saw the first matchup, I reevaluated and have said they were the favorite to win it.

Your truly upset is misplaced.

And my post earlier that you responded to and went off on the schedule thing was more about my problem with Yellville's chemistry and play, compared to how I have seen the very same players perform last year against much more dominant athletes and teams versus these games this year.  It was more a musing about them getting right than any knock against Eureka.  Eureka is firing on all cylinders.  If I were their coach I would only be concerned that they might have peaked a tad too early.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 11:59:01 am
Quote from: YSpanther on February 01, 2019, 11:50:34 am
Eureka is firing on all cylinders.  If I were their coach I would only be concerned that they might have peaked a tad too early.

No offense, but I don't think we've played well offensively for an entire game in quite a while. Our defense has carried us. We've held Yellville and Flippin to 37 and 34 respectively, that's why we've regained the top spot. Once we start clicking for 4 quarters on the offensive end then we can start talking about peaking.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on February 01, 2019, 12:37:31 pm
Yup, I was bad wrong about Yellville walking away with the 2A-1. After having some success the last few years in a tough 3A-4A blended conference (they were the smallest 3A school in the state)  I really thought that Yellville would dominate the 2A-1. Perhaps the easier schedule actually hurt, not sure. Couple of real athletic guards graduated also, I think they may have had more depth last year.  All that said, I still think that Yellville has a good chance to win District that is located at Yellville. 

Not to disrespect Eureka Springs, I have seen them play a couple of times, they are good. I have not seen the likes of Clarendon, Marked Tree, Bay, Earle, Lavaca. However if Eureka belongs in that group, then 2A basketball is not at the level I thought it was.

Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 01:05:19 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on February 01, 2019, 12:37:31 pm
Not to disrespect Eureka Springs, I have seen them play a couple of times, they are good.

What games have you seen of Eureka Springs? I would say a 2 game sample size and saying that you haven't seen any of the other top teams at all doesn't give your opinions much merit.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 01:19:34 pm
Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.

We aren't concerned with Fearleas Friday opinions, MaxPreps polls, Super Six polls or any of that. We want to compete every night against our opponent and play the best we can. Through 31 games we've done that more times than not.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on February 01, 2019, 01:48:33 pm
Quote from: future_coach® on February 01, 2019, 01:19:34 pm
Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.

We aren't concerned with Fearleas Friday opinions, MaxPreps polls, Super Six polls or any of that. We want to compete every night against our opponent and play the best we can. Through 31 games we've done that more times than not.

LOL ;D
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on February 06, 2019, 09:45:40 pm
Quote from: ozarkmtnsman on February 01, 2019, 01:48:33 pm
LOL ;D
The truly upset is strong with this one.  Yellville exacted a little revenge last night against Flippin boys, 69-41, but the Yellville girls, after jumping up and pulling off an upset against the conference champion ES girls last week, got pummeled last night by the Flippin girls 65-24.  Maybe finishing 3rd will help us stay sharp by having to play in the first round against Decatur before facing Flippin again in the second round.  I think the boys are feeling more confident now about getting a shot against Eureka in the championship.  I wouldn't want to be 4th coming out of district tournament and having to face Lavaca first  game in the  regionals, or 3rd for that matter.  Danville is looking like a good lock to be the 2 and is finishing strong.
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: YSpanther on February 17, 2019, 04:53:45 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on February 06, 2019, 09:45:40 pm
The truly upset is strong with this one.  Yellville exacted a little revenge last night against Flippin boys, 69-41, but the Yellville girls, after jumping up and pulling off an upset against the conference champion ES girls last week, got pummeled last night by the Flippin girls 65-24.  Maybe finishing 3rd will help us stay sharp by having to play in the first round against Decatur before facing Flippin again in the second round.  I think the boys are feeling more confident now about getting a shot against Eureka in the championship.  I wouldn't want to be 4th coming out of district tournament and having to face Lavaca first  game in the  regionals, or 3rd for that matter.  Danville is looking like a good lock to be the 2 and is finishing strong.
So much for that take. Hackett and Mountainburg pulled off upsets in the 4 and Lavaca is the 3 seed and Danville is the 4.  So much for getting rewarded for finishing 1 and 2 in your own district.  :D
Title: Re: Conference predictions
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on February 17, 2019, 05:42:23 pm
Quote from: YSpanther on February 17, 2019, 04:53:45 pm
So much for that take. Hackett and Mountainburg pulled off upsets in the 4 and Lavaca is the 3 seed and Danville is the 4.  So much for getting rewarded for finishing 1 and 2 in your own district.  :D

I still don't see any huge favorites in this region match-ups. Nobody has played an impressive schedule for the last half of the season. They just beat up on each other and played weak nonconference opponents for the most part.  Lavaca had all the bragging rights until they didn't.

Even the mountainburg/cotter game might be somewhat competitive.  I'm wondering if Mountainburg had some 9th graders move up?  Eureka is on a roll, we will see if it continues.

You have to look on the bright side if you are Yellville, at least you are not playing Osceola or some other powerhouse from the 3A-3 as in years past.