So all the talk on the 2nd round thread is about FHS at Bryant, so starting a discussion for Conway and West.
Yes, I've heard all the talk about Conway not being that good, but I saw them earlier in the year and they have size and talent. You don't win at Bville (even when they turn the ball over like they did) without talent. I assume Conway's big RB is ready for round 2, and if West has a defensive weakness, it's run D up the middle. I think Conway can have success running the ball. To win, they will also have to protect the ball. Can't give the West offense extra chances. Believe me when I say the West offense is very good. They have a very underrated QB, he can beat you with his arm or legs. Their WR core is also much more than just 1. Yes, He is as good as anyone in the state, but focus just on him, and West has 2-3 more guys that can beat you. I think Conway will need to take the run away and force West to just throw the ball. If West can do both, I can't see Conway winning this game.
I'll stick with my original pick of West by 10, but expect this to be a very competitive game.
West wins this game without a lot of trouble. They don't see teams with this level of QB in the Central.
Question for you: Is this the same QB that lost to Bentonville? Should be a very close game. I look at the overall results of the competition as a benchmark. BVW's opponents have a 43-57 record (before the playoffs). Conway's opponents have a 55-45 record. HMMM. Don't underestimate the resolve of the Conway senior class, they are battle tested & ready.
Quote from: tj1987 on November 13, 2017, 08:59:48 am
West wins this game without a lot of trouble. They don't see teams with this level of QB in the Central.
Agreed. West will be hungry for another shot at Bentonville, game was a lot closer then the score showed. Conway is good but I think a Thursday game will give West an advantage with the Tiger faithful coming to help fill the stands. I would go West by 10.
I haven't seen West but I can tell you that the Conway RB is the best I've seen this year. He was a beast.
Quote from: francocat on November 13, 2017, 10:50:59 am
Question for you: Is this the same QB that lost to Bentonville? Should be a very close game. I look at the overall results of the competition as a benchmark. BVW's opponents have a 43-57 record (before the playoffs). Conway's opponents have a 55-45 record. HMMM. Don't underestimate the resolve of the Conway senior class, they are battle tested & ready.
Combined records of opponents is like using a MAC teams combined record against an SEC teams combined record. The 7A West has won the last 12 chips for a reason-namely superior QB play. Let me remind of NLR vs Fay in the finals as an example, when everyone said NLR would dominate and they lost 53-19. NLR was 12-0 going in. Quality opponents is the key benchmark, and didnt Conway lose to Springdale?? The QB from West did lose to Bentonville but they are a reallly good team. I have no dog in this fight but Im telling you it wont be a game and if it is I will be the first to say I'm wrong.
Huh? In this particular year, combined records tell a strength of schedule story. Yes, Conway lost to Springdale on a missed field goal at Springdale. But wait, Conway beat BV at BV. Let's see, BVW beat Har-Ber (quality opponent?). Northside beats Har-Ber convincingly. Conway destroyed NS at NS. Let's see,
BVW's first 4 opponents finished a combined 10-30. No question, NWA has dominated the 7A in recent years, but to compare the BVW QB to say Powell from Fayetteville is like comparing Cole Kelly to Matt Jones.
"Huh?" Do you need to re-read? If you think Conway comes up to West and beats them then more power to you. Springdale is a weak team Fay beat them 54-14. I made valid points if you dont want to acknowledge the superior QB play in the 7A West then youre not being honest with yourself. Jarrett doesn't compare to Powell in the least but his is better than every QB in the Central. B West also beat Fay who could also beat Conway. (lost to them by 35-0 in the 2nd round last year) I will make it simple. B West wins this game and if they dont Ill admit I was wrong.
Nope, I can read just fine thank you. My QB comparison is no more absurd than your MAC-SEC. The Central is on the way back & if it's not this year, then very soon. Everything from home (borrowed) field, to day-of-the week, to overall record says BVW but it all just fuels the Cats.
Quote from: francocat on November 13, 2017, 01:22:50 pm
Nope, I can read just fine thank you. My QB comparison is no more absurd than your MAC-SEC. The Central is on the way back & if it's not this year, then very soon. Everything from home (borrowed) field, to day-of-the week, to overall record says BVW but it all just fuels the Cats.
Well you are obviously a fan I am just making observations.
Borrowed Field-if you research the situation you would realize that the players on the BV West team have played in that stadium since 8th grade MINIMUM and probably since 2nd. You see they are the kids from Bentonville Gold that used to feed BV. That is their "home" field in their minds. Traveling 3 hrs on a bus on a Thursday is tough to overcome.
Oh yes "the Central is back" just like it was last year (and the 12 previous) when NLR nearly got mercy ruled in the Championship game and Conway shut out in the 2nd round. Look if you're right then fantastic, but I cant pick against West in this game. if Conway wins we both know it is a huge upset because realistically they have no advantages in this game period.
Quote from: francocat on November 13, 2017, 01:22:50 pm
Nope, I can read just fine thank you. My QB comparison is no more absurd than your MAC-SEC. The Central is on the way back & if it's not this year, then very soon. Everything from home (borrowed) field, to day-of-the week, to overall record says BVW but it all just fuels the Cats.
I made the SEC vs MAC comparison because when is the last time the Central won a State title? Thats absurd??
We do agree on the advantages all being on the BVW side. Good luck to you and your FV Dogs TJ.
Quote from: francocat on November 13, 2017, 03:19:22 pm
We do agree on the advantages all being on the BVW side. Good luck to you and your FV Dogs TJ.
OK Bahahaha...If I'm wrong I'll be happy to admit it. Just my observations obviously. Conway has a good team I just don't think they can beat West on the road. Good Luck.
This thread is cracking me up. Two good teams, both well coached. One is gonna run and the other is gonna throw. Probably the team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
I do want to comment on score/schedule comparisons. I'm just one opinion, but I never put any value in comparing scores. To me, that's about as valuable as putting stock in a scrimmage game. Bottom line, neither one really matter.
Good luck to both teams Thurs night, and from a Tiger fan, Go Wolverines!!! I'll be there cheering them on.
I think this game will be closer than many think. I wouldn't be surprised if Conway came away with a win but they will have to play their best game of the season.
I think this will be a track meet. Like Razorback Red said. You can run the ball up the middle on West and that is exactly what Conway is best at. They have the best running back in the 7a. Watching the Bryant/Conway game on youtube. One of the reasons why Conway didn't get a bye was because their running back got hurt late in that game. Literally they were up most of the game because they were able to run at will on Bryants defense.
If he's fully healthy for this game West will probably have to score, score and score some more to win. How they gave up yards to Bentonville i think it'll be hard for them to just shutdown Conway's run game completely.
Game day is here! Looking like a nice night in Bentonville, with temp at 54 degrees for kickoff.
I will be shocked if it doesn't take 35+ points to win this one.
Is there a live stream of the game?
Quote from: Hornet-Hawg on November 16, 2017, 07:00:52 am
Is there a live stream of the game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22L9hRUpgIY
Should also be on :
http://www.gobentonvillewestwolverines.com/
So on the first West TD, the WR goes up, catches the ball, comes down on top of the DB and then rolls out of bounds. I watched it a couple of times and I don't think the WR ever touched the ground in bounds. I really don't know the rule on that one. Should that be a TD or out of bounds?
Tuned in to the live stream.
17-7 West.
Go make a sandwich and suddenly Conway jumps to 28-17 lead.
Crazy!
Also I am enjoying listening to these Conway announcers. Lots of excitement and love for their team and well as great play by play and commentary.
Conway announcers on that Channel...5? stream are great. Professional and do a good job. I've watched it a few times and always came away impressed.
I think the NWA posters were way too optimistic about this game. Conway has dominated since midway first quarter.
The Conway defensive line is dominating the line of scrimmage. The BW QB has been sacked several times and all of his throws are hurried. Conway appears to be the much better team thus far.
There have been some calling for BW West to come back down to Earth for awhile. They never really did in the regular season. We'll see if they keep the unexpected great season going with a 2nd half comeback.
:o
Radio link for this one?
Never mind. Watching on YouTube.
2 Bentonville West possessions and a Conway turnover now has Conway only up 35-30.
Conway driving. Deep in Bent West territory. Injury for the Wampus Cats right now.
BW punts. Conway ball on Conway 41.
BW - 30
Conway - 41
10:30 4Q
Conway throws it deep and it is intercepted. Not sure why they passed. BW ball on BW 28
BW - 30
Conway - 41
9:41 4Q
BW makes a field goal
BW - 33
Conway - 41
6:25 4Q
BW will kick off
Conway is driving. If Conway milks this enough and scores. It all but over.
Did I hear that right??
Conway's RB has 2000 rushing yards for the season?
That's very impressive. Congrats to the man. George I think is the last name??
Michael George (RB for Conway) at 246 yards on 34 carries :o
Conway may still win this game, but why they are passing the ball ahead by two scores with 9 minutes left (on 2nd & 6) is mind-boggling. Typical Conway. If they would just line up and run it, they could win 7A.
Conway scores to make it 48-33 Conway
2:49 4Q.
BW needs a slight miracle. Score quick, onside kick, score again and get a two point conversion just to send it to OT.
I gotta say, I just didn't see this coming. Michael George has been outstanding tonight.
Up to 270 yards on the night for him.
It's a shame Conway and NLR are on same side of bracket.
That's game pretty much. I figured West would struggle stopping George. I didn't anticipate Conway's defense doing the job it did on West. That win over Bentonville earlier in the year was no fluke.
B West deep in Conway territory after an amazing catch.
2:07 left. Ball on Conway 13.
BW scores a touchdown. PAT Good.
Bentonville West - 40
Conway - 48
1:13 4Q...now the onside kick
West TD!
This is crazy
Conway barely recovers it. I think they can end this by kneeling it.
It is over. Good game. Congrats to Conway.
Great season, Bentonville West.
Quote from: francocat on November 13, 2017, 12:29:13 pm
Huh? In this particular year, combined records tell a strength of schedule story. Yes, Conway lost to Springdale on a missed field goal at Springdale. But wait, Conway beat BV at BV. Let's see, BVW beat Har-Ber (quality opponent?). Northside beats Har-Ber convincingly. Conway destroyed NS at NS. Let's see,
BVW's first 4 opponents finished a combined 10-30. No question, NWA has dominated the 7A in recent years, but to compare the BVW QB to say Powell from Fayetteville is like comparing Cole Kelly to Matt Jones.
Great call bro you were right! West was outplayed and out coached! Good job Cats!
Is the dominance of NWA coming to an end? Conway beat Bentonville and BW.
Bryant and NLR lurk. We'll see.
Quote from: tj1987 on November 16, 2017, 09:56:41 pm
Great call bro you were right! West was outplayed and out coached! Good job Cats!
+1. I like a guy who shows up and admits he was wrong. I've had to do it many times.
So now it's a definite the Central will have at least one team in the finals with Conway, NLR, and Northside all on one side of the bracket.
After tomorrow we could possibly have 3 central teams and one west team left
Quote from: The Future on November 16, 2017, 10:00:57 pm
So now it's a definite the Central will have at least one team in the finals with Conway, NLR, and Northside all on one side of the bracket.
After tomorrow we could possibly have 3 central teams and one west team left
Could have 4 Central teams and 0 West teams left ;)
Quote from: PA Dad on November 16, 2017, 09:58:16 pm
Is the dominance of NWA coming to an end? Conway beat Bentonville and BW.
Bryant and NLR lurk. We'll see.
I don't think it's coming to an end, but it is evening out. I think it starts on the line. Atleast with the top teams I think NLR, Bryant, and Conway are better along the offensive and defensive lines than Bentonville, Bentonville West, and Fayetteville are. In the years past that was always the opposite.
Quote from: businesstron on November 16, 2017, 10:08:25 pm
I don't think it's coming to an end, but it is evening out. I think it starts on the line. Atleast with the top teams I think NLR, Bryant, and Conway are better along the offensive and defensive lines than Bentonville, Bentonville West, and Fayetteville are. In the years past that was always the opposite.
I didn't mean to crow. The Central fans are just tired of the NWA dominance. We hope it ends this year.
Just got home from the game. Congrats Conway on a great win!
Classic case of power vs finesse and power won. I placed my bet on finesse and was wrong on this one.
West had chances, but the Conway D made it difficult on Jarrett to have time to find open receivers. On the other side of the ball, the Conway RB had to have close to 300 yards. I was right on what both teams would try to do, Conway just did it better tonight. The Conway D gave up a lot of yards, but kept Jackson in check and never let him get free for big plays.
I'm not a Coach and hate 2nd guessing them, but I thought both HC's made some questionable calls on going for 2.
Conway might be the first team to win 2 games in one season at Tiger Stadium, which is tough to do. Congrats again to them and congrats to West on a great 2nd season.
Quote from: PA Dad on November 16, 2017, 10:10:47 pm
I didn't mean to crow. The Central fans are just tired of the NWA dominance. We hope it ends this year.
I didn't take it as crowing. I'm happy it's evening out and I hope it continues to go that way. I arrived here right when Little Rock Central won it's back to back championships. It's LOOOOONG overdue. Both conferences playing at a high level from my perspective makes the playoffs fun and entertaining.
Quote from: businesstron on November 16, 2017, 10:20:24 pm
I didn't take it as crowing. I'm happy it's evening out and I hope it continues to go that way. I arrived here right when Little Rock Central won it's back to back championships. It's LOOOOONG overdue. Both conferences playing at a high level from my perspective makes the playoffs fun and entertaining.
I agree. Dominance is boring. I'd say that even if Central was dominating.
Dominance is boring.
Says the guy who's team is about to win a 4peat
;D ;)
Agreed, 7A ball is more fun when there are more than 2 teams that have a shot and for several years that's all it was.
What a game. West came out swinging but Conway didn't fold. George was as good as advertised. Congrats on a great season West.
Quote from: The Future on November 16, 2017, 10:25:41 pm
Dominance is boring.
Says the guy who's team is about to win a 4peat
;D ;)
If you've read my posts, I've consistently said that PA's dominance is boring. It's just no fun watching mercy rule games. I'd much rather watch games that are decided in the last two minutes.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 16, 2017, 10:27:02 pm
Agreed, 7A ball is more fun when there are more than 2 teams that have a shot and for several years that's all it was.
To be fair, both of these two teams
are still in the playoffs... We can't count them out just yet.
Quote from: trevster10 on November 16, 2017, 10:33:59 pm
To be fair, both of these two teams are still in the playoffs... We can't count them out just yet.
Agreed. I don't count either of them out. I won't be surprised if Bryant beats Fayetteville. I will be very surprised if Cabot beats Bentonville.
Quote from: trevster10 on November 16, 2017, 10:33:59 pm
To be fair, both of these two teams are still in the playoffs... We can't count them out just yet.
Yes they are, but there are 3 other teams left besides the two of them capable of winning it all. There have been seasons when those two schools were miles ahead of the field. Not the case this year, which is good for the state IMO.
Quote from: The Future on November 16, 2017, 10:25:41 pm
Dominance is boring.
Says the guy who's team is about to win a 4peat
;D ;)
By the way, I'm a NLR alum so they're my team too.
Way to step up there TJ! None of these games are easy (nor should they be) & if NLR tends to business, the Conway-NLR rematch will be a war. On paper, Conway will be a big underdog, but no matter what, NLR will know the Cats are serious.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 16, 2017, 10:16:18 pm
Conway might be the first team to win 2 games in one season at Tiger Stadium, which is tough to do. Congrats again to them and congrats to West on a great 2nd season.
Actually, Southside knocked Bennie out of the #1 spot twice in 2009. The Rebels won the first game in Week 6 (31-21) and then knocked off the Tigers, who had regained their #1 ranking, in the 2nd round of the playoffs after a bye week for Bennie (27-24).
We remember it this way.....
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/bigdonsbaitshop/The%20Catch_zpszjkg7j7g.jpg) (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/bigdonsbaitshop/media/The%20Catch_zpszjkg7j7g.jpg.html)
That's classic!! Haha
Quote from: Baitshop on November 17, 2017, 09:28:27 pm
Actually, Southside knocked Bennie out of the #1 spot twice in 2009. The Rebels won the first game in Week 6 (31-21) and then knocked off the Tigers, who had regained their #1 ranking, in the 2nd round of the playoffs after a bye week for Bennie (27-24).
We remember it this way.....
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/bigdonsbaitshop/The%20Catch_zpszjkg7j7g.jpg) (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/bigdonsbaitshop/media/The%20Catch_zpszjkg7j7g.jpg.html)
Boy does this picture bring back some memories ;)
Now I remember, Bait. I knew you would help me out.
BTW, was that the last time SS won a big game? Just joking, got to jab back a little.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 17, 2017, 10:09:57 pm
Now I remember, Bait. I knew you would help me out.
BTW, was that the last time SS won a big game? Just joking, got to jab back a little.
I think that that depends on how you define big..?? Lately, all/any wins are big to us.
;)