Auburn Etc.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Festus is that you?

[Uncle Ivan]

Festus is that you?

No.  Been called Rastus before, not sure why.

[RGP]

I don't care what a publicist says that is associated with HBO. They paid those guys.  Auburn can send a million publicist, attorneys, and public speakers to write a statement saying they didn't pay players. Doesn't mean they didn't. These guys chose schools by payment. Now all of a sudden you think they have a kind heart to just interview with no strings attached? The guys who have been cut by the nfl and who left school early with no degrees to show for it? Yeah they did this for free alright.

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/3/31/2081932/hbo-auburn-football-players-show-real-sports

I can post links too. Money makes the world go around.

So, in turn, you're believing the argument  produced by an Auburn fan site reporting of another former player who reported that he heard from a friend who reported his former coach reported that his former teammate reportedly told him he was getting money from HBO?

Your type of argument is a new favorite: Making up things to say that other people are making up things.

[bdubyab60]

So he is saying Cam did take the money.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Yep. I would take junior's testimony, a millionaire nfl player who actually was a star at auburn, over a burnt out broke individual who has an axe to grind and needs money.  What would junior have to lose? He is active in the NFL and if anybody would've got paid it would be him. Plus junior actually lived with McGlover and knows him and his family personally. Junior has not only said this to this "Auburn" interview but posted this on his twitter right when this hbo piece was coming out. So yes I tend to believe him rather bleacher report or truth.com. But since you guys like sites like that here you go:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/620100-stanley-mcglover-auburn-hbo-and-money-former-teammates-baffled-angry

You guys think you invented the wheel when y'all post news like this.  First, the statue of limitation has passed for this. HBO just wants ratings. Ratings bring money.  They didn't do this to fix the game of College Football. Secondly, these guys got benefits from this no matter how you try to spin it (Charity??).  You are such a hypocrite because you also choose what you want to believe. Third, these guys stories are so sketchy. Not to say it isn't true, but you got famous teammates and teammates who don't play football saying this is crap.  I love how you guys run with this and say The world is falling for Auburn when it is not at all.

Again, I have already acknowledged that Auburn University has paid people and probably cam. Why is that a continous surprise. However, it is not what you acknowledge, believe, or know. It is what you can prove.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.

    Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.

    In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden alleged that the "pay-for-play" system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach Wayne Hall.

    Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.

    Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn 's head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within." I broke the rules," Bowden said. "I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.

    I was hiding a dirty secret." Bowden said the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department." Nothing was done without Lowder knowing." Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking.

    This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine's salary as long as we didn't tell her where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.

    Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, "Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at Auburn ." Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn't resign.

    I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel's office in Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night before the interview, Lowder told me "here's how the interview will go."

    This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There were six candidates – Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he knew he couldn't get him approved. I was the backup.

    I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That's how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.

    Tommy (Bowden, Terry's brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day on the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said "you can't hire Hall." But then I understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn't hire Hall we will find a new president.

    So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it was paid. He said we've still got 9-12 players that we're paying $600 per month.

    We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.

    Hall said "OK, but you will change your mind." Katherine came to Auburn as my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told Lowder "We have cash all over." Lowder said "I told Wayne not to collect more than we had to have to pay the players." Wayne had a safe in his house wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about paying Jelks.

    Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, "I didn't want Wayne to collect more money than we needed to pay the players." I was hiding a dirty secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.

    It took about two years to get it all cleaned up. Most the guys we were paying weren't any good and weren't helping us win games. Steve Davis was the exception.

    Here is how it works, fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good men. They didn't ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1.

    My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, "Hall is on the phone a lot with Lowder." I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.

    I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to players – Rane, Spina and McWhorter.

    Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came on. I don't dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I called Lowder.

    I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) "He's not a good AD, but he's my AD." David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping Lowder informed.

    By my last year I'm having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to win.

    After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year and get out.

    When I got here Lowder said don't talk to Muse, he's weak and his wife is a n—-r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last week I was coach: Monday – The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.

    I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday – (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday – I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel.

    He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source.

    He said he also wants you to know that he doesn't care if you win five of your next six, you're out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if Fob James wins (the governor's race). Thursday – I brought in my lawyer, Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.

    He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn't even know. They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.

    Interview with Terry Bowden—

And this is why Lowder is going to be busted by the FBI. He is also in a gambling ring.

[Brian G]

You're backpedaling now.  You said HBO paid them and they didn't.  From here all we got is a fan smothering in his own crying towel.

[Ex-HAplayer]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

[RGP]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

[Indiana Jones]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

[redwolf143]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

That ain't right...  gonna give someone a seizure.

[Ex-HAplayer]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart...  To be honest with you it doesn't matter. If he got paid than good for him. he is broke now though so kudos for his 5 minutes of fame.  Doesn't change a thing other than Arkansas fan base is infatuated with Auburn and this witch hunt! Why? I have no clue lol.

[7AFball]

Cam knew, his dad knew, the Auburn coaches knew, Cam's friends knew, former Miss. State player(s) knew, Auburn long-time strong money supporters knew, current Auburn players ended up knowing..  Just too many people knowing about payoffs and the history thereof, that the FBI HAD to know or they were sticking their heads in the sand and getting paid to be pretty stupid. Geeeez!  I hate to say it, but Alabama and Auburn money donors seem to have deep pockets. I can only assume their "Foundation" is  a LOT richer than ours at Arkansas. Wonder what all those "deep pockets" do for a living? You'd think with Tyson, Walmart and JB Hunt that we would have some deep pockets  too. Guess not. Maybe we are just a lot cleaner than other programs and winning less to show for it. If so, then I will take the Arkansas way of doing things, recruiting players who WANT to be here, paying a coach good money to develop these players and giving them a great facility to practice and play in. Fayetteville is not a bad town to get your full of "night life" in off season. I predict the players here will be laughing when some of those "hired players" in Alabama get their scholarships pulled, ruining their lives, and have to go back home to dig ditches the rest of their lives, some wearing the striped uniform cleaning up the roadsides. Money and greed affects the entire college recruiting ranks and it is sickening. I think bowl money and National Championships need to be taken away from cheaters and not wait 3 years to undergo slow investigations. The Ohio State situation with the head coach and 5 players having to miss the first 5 games of 2011 speaks VOLUMES as to how low things have gotten in college football and basketball and other secondary sports. I am for giving more "Death penalties" in the future and swiftly carrying out investigations.

[redwolf143]

It's not a witch hunt when the allegations are true.

Maybe they are saying they don't pay for interviews because someone on the take from Auburn said they did?

Maybe the former players are covering for the fact that they might be investigated in this federal search and face punishment.  Things like this go away when you cooperate.

Can you or the current NFL player prove that the money didn't come from a nefarious source?  I doubt it.  And what makes an NFL player more credible than a non-NFL player anyway?  by that assumption  Adam Jones would be more credible than Mahatma Gandhi and Terrell Owens more credible than Mother Teresa.

I'm predicting that Auburn will be given some type of NCAA punishment no matter how much is or isn't proven.  Something called Institutional control tends to bite those that make the guys at corporate look bad.

[RGP]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart... 

You are completely wrong about this. HBO had NO reason to lie. Contrary to what you may think, they are not out to get big, bad Auburn. In fact, they tried to dig up some dirt on Alabama at the same time but couldn't get anything for their story. So why would they lie about this? They're a profitable tv company that will be just fine regardless. They didn't need to "save face." The beautiful thing they had on their side was that they didn't have to run the story at all if they were worried about having to "save face". They went on with it because they knew that had something legitimate. Sadly, Auburn didn't have that choice and they're the ones trying to save face now.

If you're willing to believe that these players said what they did because "they were paid" then you are embracing a type of characters in these individuals which would only reaffirm their capability of accepting payments from Auburn in the first place.

No one is infatuated with Auburn. Not HBO. Not Arkansas fans. But when the National Champions have reports against them for a pay-for-play scheme that has gone on for decades, then it's worthy of our conversation. You don't see those accusations being made about other schools.

Take over the blinders and stop making silly excuses.

[War Eagle]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

If people are getting paid for interviews, it leaves it open for speculation of whether they are just trying to get a story

[Ex-HAplayer]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart... 

You are completely wrong about this. HBO had NO reason to lie. Contrary to what you may think, they are not out to get big, bad Auburn. In fact, they tried to dig up some dirt on Alabama at the same time but couldn't get anything for their story. So why would they lie about this? They're a profitable tv company that will be just fine regardless. They didn't need to "save face." The beautiful thing they had on their side was that they didn't have to run the story at all if they were worried about having to "save face". They went on with it because they knew that had something legitimate. Sadly, Auburn didn't have that choice and they're the ones trying to save face now.

If you're willing to believe that these players said what they did because "they were paid" then you are embracing a type of characters in these individuals which would only reaffirm their capability of accepting payments from Auburn in the first place.

No one is infatuated with Auburn. Not HBO. Not Arkansas fans. But when the National Champions have reports against them for a pay-for-play scheme that has gone on for decades, then it's worthy of our conversation. You don't see those accusations being made about other schools.

Take over the blinders and stop making silly excuses.

They are being made about Oregon and LSU right now. What excuses?! To be completely honest I don't give a freak if Auburn paid players. Why don't you quit whining about schools paying players. So what if we paid players, we still beat your butts on the field. Everyone pays people and if you guys don't do it than tough luck. Go make excuses about that.

[Wahls]

So what if we paid players, we still beat your butts on the field. Everyone pays people and if you guys don't do it than tough luck. Go make excuses about that.

WOW.

[bdubyab60]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart... 

You are completely wrong about this. HBO had NO reason to lie. Contrary to what you may think, they are not out to get big, bad Auburn. In fact, they tried to dig up some dirt on Alabama at the same time but couldn't get anything for their story. So why would they lie about this? They're a profitable tv company that will be just fine regardless. They didn't need to "save face." The beautiful thing they had on their side was that they didn't have to run the story at all if they were worried about having to "save face". They went on with it because they knew that had something legitimate. Sadly, Auburn didn't have that choice and they're the ones trying to save face now.

If you're willing to believe that these players said what they did because "they were paid" then you are embracing a type of characters in these individuals which would only reaffirm their capability of accepting payments from Auburn in the first place.

No one is infatuated with Auburn. Not HBO. Not Arkansas fans. But when the National Champions have reports against them for a pay-for-play scheme that has gone on for decades, then it's worthy of our conversation. You don't see those accusations being made about other schools.

Take over the blinders and stop making silly excuses.

They are being made about Oregon and LSU right now. What excuses?! To be completely honest I don't give a freak if Auburn paid players. Why don't you quit whining about schools paying players. So what if we paid players, we still beat your butts on the field. Everyone pays people and if you guys don't do it than tough luck. Go make excuses about that.

We wil see how much you care if they got paid if that title gets taken then we will see. If arkansas had of beat Auburn and they found the same out about arkansas and that kept auburn out of the title game you d be on here sayin the same stuff. So dont act like you dont give a crap if this costs aubur its title not sayin it will what would you say then

[War Eagle]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart... 

You are completely wrong about this. HBO had NO reason to lie. Contrary to what you may think, they are not out to get big, bad Auburn. In fact, they tried to dig up some dirt on Alabama at the same time but couldn't get anything for their story. So why would they lie about this? They're a profitable tv company that will be just fine regardless. They didn't need to "save face." The beautiful thing they had on their side was that they didn't have to run the story at all if they were worried about having to "save face". They went on with it because they knew that had something legitimate. Sadly, Auburn didn't have that choice and they're the ones trying to save face now.

If you're willing to believe that these players said what they did because "they were paid" then you are embracing a type of characters in these individuals which would only reaffirm their capability of accepting payments from Auburn in the first place.

No one is infatuated with Auburn. Not HBO. Not Arkansas fans. But when the National Champions have reports against them for a pay-for-play scheme that has gone on for decades, then it's worthy of our conversation. You don't see those accusations being made about other schools.

Take over the blinders and stop making silly excuses.

They are being made about Oregon and LSU right now. What excuses?! To be completely honest I don't give a freak if Auburn paid players. Why don't you quit whining about schools paying players. So what if we paid players, we still beat your butts on the field. Everyone pays people and if you guys don't do it than tough luck. Go make excuses about that.

We wil see how much you care if they got paid if that title gets taken then we will see. If arkansas had of beat Auburn and they found the same out about arkansas and that kept auburn out of the title game you d be on here sayin the same stuff. So dont act like you dont give a crap if this costs aubur its title not sayin it will what would you say then

Do you think USC fans care that their title was taken away?

[Ex-HAplayer]

I wouldn't say crap because I don't make freaking excuses when we lose!! Paying somebody has nothing to do with the outcome of games.  I could care less about what the NCAA did to USC also.  Everybody knows USC was the best and Reggie Bush was the best so who gives a freak about a vacant trophy or championship.  Only consistent losers would hope for that.  You don't get the W anyway if it is vacated.  If Auburn lost to Arkansas than thats on them. Man up and take the L. You guys wanted Cam and Auburn and you got it. What? I thought your zone blitzes was going to stop them. I thought Auburn's defense was pathetic and y'all were going to run circles around them. You guys lost it on the field and now y'all are moaning about pay for play. EXCUSES.

You will never hear me post about refs causing us to lose. You can even track my past post and see when we are losing to south carolina, kentucky, Clemson, etc that I never reference the refs to why we are losing. Its Auburn's game planning and terrible tackling that puts them in bad positions. Heck! When Oregon scored to tie the game in the National Championship it was because the ref kept the drive going with a pick on our player. I wouldn't have uttered anything about that if we lost in OT because we had numerous of chances to pull the game away. So no I wouldn't complain if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, if Auburn was 6-6 and y'all would have beat them this would be almost irrelevant and y'all would be running your mouths. We beat everyone on the field including y'all and its pathetic that you guys feel the need to make yourself's feel better about losing because y'all lost "the right way." Y'all don't pay people and your players are so classy.  who gives a flip. You don't get browning points for that.  Y'all still are losers. You couldn't even beat tOSU. What makes it worst is you guys talked crap the whole flippen week.

[Ex-HAplayer]

It's not a witch hunt when the allegations are true.

Maybe they are saying they don't pay for interviews because someone on the take from Auburn said they did?

Maybe the former players are covering for the fact that they might be investigated in this federal search and face punishment.  Things like this go away when you cooperate.

Can you or the current NFL player prove that the money didn't come from a nefarious source?  I doubt it.  And what makes an NFL player more credible than a non-NFL player anyway?  by that assumption  Adam Jones would be more credible than Mahatma Gandhi and Terrell Owens more credible than Mother Teresa.

I'm predicting that Auburn will be given some type of NCAA punishment no matter how much is or isn't proven.  Something called Institutional control tends to bite those that make the guys at corporate look bad.

Predict all you want. You don't get punished for unproven allegations.  I just want to see some prove. When I see prove than I will conclude this isn't a witch hunt. You say it is true. If so, than why is there no names, no checks, no e-mails, letters, text messages etc saying here is your money from any of the players that Auburn has paid?  You are one to talk.  Texas has the NCAA and Dan Beebe eating out of their hands.

[Wahls]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at a lack of ethics in the fan base. It's just a trickle down from the program, players, and boosters.

[bdubyab60]

I wouldn't say crap because I don't make freaking excuses when we lose!! Paying somebody has nothing to do with the outcome of games.  I could care less about what the NCAA did to USC also.  Everybody knows USC was the best and Reggie Bush was the best so who gives a freak about a vacant trophy or championship.  Only consistent losers would hope for that.  You don't get the W anyway if it is vacated.  If Auburn lost to Arkansas than thats on them. Man up and take the L. You guys wanted Cam and Auburn and you got it. What? I thought your zone blitzes was going to stop them. I thought Auburn's defense was pathetic and y'all were going to run circles around them. You guys lost it on the field and now y'all are moaning about pay for play. EXCUSES.

You will never hear me post about refs causing us to lose. You can even track my past post and see when we are losing to south carolina, kentucky, Clemson, etc that I never reference the refs to why we are losing. Its Auburn's game planning and terrible tackling that puts them in bad positions. Heck! When Oregon scored to tie the game in the National Championship it was because the ref kept the drive going with a pick on our player. I wouldn't have uttered anything about that if we lost in OT because we had numerous of chances to pull the game away. So no I wouldn't complain if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, if Auburn was 6-6 and y'all would have beat them this would be almost irrelevant and y'all would be running your mouths. We beat everyone on the field including y'all and its pathetic that you guys feel the need to make yourself's feel better about losing because y'all lost "the right way." Y'all don't pay people and your players are so classy.  who gives a flip. You don't get browning points for that.  Y'all still are losers. You couldn't even beat tOSU. What makes it worst is you guys talked crap the whole flippen week.

So your sayin paying a player 180000 grand to come to your school made no difference in the season auburn had none what so ever. You are blind my firend. And like I said if Auburns title gets stripped I think you will sing a differnt tune about the great Cam taken that money.

[bdubyab60]

I wouldn't say crap because I don't make freaking excuses when we lose!! Paying somebody has nothing to do with the outcome of games.  I could care less about what the NCAA did to USC also.  Everybody knows USC was the best and Reggie Bush was the best so who gives a freak about a vacant trophy or championship.  Only consistent losers would hope for that.  You don't get the W anyway if it is vacated.  If Auburn lost to Arkansas than thats on them. Man up and take the L. You guys wanted Cam and Auburn and you got it. What? I thought your zone blitzes was going to stop them. I thought Auburn's defense was pathetic and y'all were going to run circles around them. You guys lost it on the field and now y'all are moaning about pay for play. EXCUSES.

You will never hear me post about refs causing us to lose. You can even track my past post and see when we are losing to south carolina, kentucky, Clemson, etc that I never reference the refs to why we are losing. Its Auburn's game planning and terrible tackling that puts them in bad positions. Heck! When Oregon scored to tie the game in the National Championship it was because the ref kept the drive going with a pick on our player. I wouldn't have uttered anything about that if we lost in OT because we had numerous of chances to pull the game away. So no I wouldn't complain if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, if Auburn was 6-6 and y'all would have beat them this would be almost irrelevant and y'all would be running your mouths. We beat everyone on the field including y'all and its pathetic that you guys feel the need to make yourself's feel better about losing because y'all lost "the right way." Y'all don't pay people and your players are so classy.  who gives a flip. You don't get browning points for that.  Y'all still are losers. You couldn't even beat tOSU. What makes it worst is you guys talked crap the whole flippen week.

All I am saying is that you will give a crap if Auburn gets stripped of their title. I can take any L Auburn beat us Alabamma beat us and Osu did to. We could have easily one all three games even though the final score was of the Auburn game didnt tell how close that game was. The fact that they seem to blatantly pay players and are getting away with it is what ticks me off. And your dont give a crap if we payed them we won and even if they take it away we won crap is bull. Im sure their are plenty of Auburn fans who wil feel a lot differently if that trophy leaves the case.

[Hoghead]

In College D-1 Football everybody gets paid one way or another !

[Ex-HAplayer]

I wouldn't say crap because I don't make freaking excuses when we lose!! Paying somebody has nothing to do with the outcome of games.  I could care less about what the NCAA did to USC also.  Everybody knows USC was the best and Reggie Bush was the best so who gives a freak about a vacant trophy or championship.  Only consistent losers would hope for that.  You don't get the W anyway if it is vacated.  If Auburn lost to Arkansas than thats on them. Man up and take the L. You guys wanted Cam and Auburn and you got it. What? I thought your zone blitzes was going to stop them. I thought Auburn's defense was pathetic and y'all were going to run circles around them. You guys lost it on the field and now y'all are moaning about pay for play. EXCUSES.

You will never hear me post about refs causing us to lose. You can even track my past post and see when we are losing to south carolina, kentucky, Clemson, etc that I never reference the refs to why we are losing. Its Auburn's game planning and terrible tackling that puts them in bad positions. Heck! When Oregon scored to tie the game in the National Championship it was because the ref kept the drive going with a pick on our player. I wouldn't have uttered anything about that if we lost in OT because we had numerous of chances to pull the game away. So no I wouldn't complain if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, if Auburn was 6-6 and y'all would have beat them this would be almost irrelevant and y'all would be running your mouths. We beat everyone on the field including y'all and its pathetic that you guys feel the need to make yourself's feel better about losing because y'all lost "the right way." Y'all don't pay people and your players are so classy.  who gives a flip. You don't get browning points for that.  Y'all still are losers. You couldn't even beat tOSU. What makes it worst is you guys talked crap the whole flippen week.

All I am saying is that you will give a crap if Auburn gets stripped of their title. I can take any L Auburn beat us Alabamma beat us and Osu did to. We could have easily one all three games even though the final score was of the Auburn game didnt tell how close that game was. The fact that they seem to blatantly pay players and are getting away with it is what ticks me off. And your dont give a crap if we payed them we won and even if they take it away we won crap is bull. Im sure their are plenty of Auburn fans who wil feel a lot differently if that trophy leaves the case.

Win by 1 or win by 100. A win is a win and a Lose is a lose. Oregon played close, so what? No morale victories around here. Could've, should've, would've, didn't.

Hey how about somebody start a thread with proof and not allegations. That would be nice.

[The Snowman]

How do you know HBO didn't pay them? Because someone from HBO said so. That is exactly what I mean. I have no reason for a towel my team won and we are sanction free.

Why exactly would HBO lie about this?

Why does anybody lie about anything. To save face. You guys kill me. Obviously, People are going to wonder why is this guy talking to HBO all of a sudden. It must be out of the goodness of his heart... 

You are completely wrong about this. HBO had NO reason to lie. Contrary to what you may think, they are not out to get big, bad Auburn. In fact, they tried to dig up some dirt on Alabama at the same time but couldn't get anything for their story. So why would they lie about this? They're a profitable tv company that will be just fine regardless. They didn't need to "save face." The beautiful thing they had on their side was that they didn't have to run the story at all if they were worried about having to "save face". They went on with it because they knew that had something legitimate. Sadly, Auburn didn't have that choice and they're the ones trying to save face now.

If you're willing to believe that these players said what they did because "they were paid" then you are embracing a type of characters in these individuals which would only reaffirm their capability of accepting payments from Auburn in the first place.

No one is infatuated with Auburn. Not HBO. Not Arkansas fans. But when the National Champions have reports against them for a pay-for-play scheme that has gone on for decades, then it's worthy of our conversation. You don't see those accusations being made about other schools.

Take over the blinders and stop making silly excuses.

They are being made about Oregon and LSU right now. What excuses?! To be completely honest I don't give a freak if Auburn paid players. Why don't you quit whining about schools paying players. So what if we paid players, we still beat your butts on the field. Everyone pays people and if you guys don't do it than tough luck. Go make excuses about that.

We wil see how much you care if they got paid if that title gets taken then we will see. If arkansas had of beat Auburn and they found the same out about arkansas and that kept auburn out of the title game you d be on here sayin the same stuff. So dont act like you dont give a crap if this costs aubur its title not sayin it will what would you say then

Do you think USC fans care that their title was taken away?

I would say the outcry by them to fire the AD who was on watch during those events should answer that.  I'm pretty sure if this comes back to bite AU some heads will roll too.  Also if the fans didn't care why have they turned their back on Reggie and other schools have done similar when its happened to them.  Reggie has been exiled and i'm willing to bet he wasn't the only one taking money and if the Cam situation is true he will be the scapegoat just like Reggie.

[zebradynasty]

I am afraid Auburn is headed for some major major penalties! These "allegations" ...waay too much smoke not to be any fire. The fact that the FBI became involved is enough for Auburn to be crapping in their pants right now. It has nothing to do with Auburn beating us nor is anyone out to get them. Strangely enough it's their own players/former players that's giving them up!

Also, I am sure some of it goes on everywhere including Arkansas but goodness few schools are as reckless about it as Auburn I mean it's like a modern day SMU!

[Wahls]

I am afraid Auburn is headed for some major major penalties! These "allegations" ...waay too much smoke not to be any fire. The fact that the FBI became involved is enough for Auburn to be crapping in their pants right now. It has nothing to do with Auburn beating us nor is anyone out to get them. Strangely enough it's their own players/former players that's giving them up!

Also, I am sure some of it goes on everywhere including Arkansas but goodness few schools are as reckless about it as Auburn I mean it's like a modern day SMU!

They're not just reckless about it at Auburn, at least one of their fans is perfectly ok with it.

[AdamoVeritas]

Marketing the future Cam Newton:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/marketing-kiehl-frazier.html

[Wahls]

Marketing the future Cam Newton:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/marketing-kiehl-frazier.html

The comment about him being the most sought after or recruited or whatever is interesting. I know he has more offers than Mustain, but I'm pretty sure Mustain committed a lot earlier.

[Rizzo]

Marketing the future Cam Newton:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/marketing-kiehl-frazier.html

The comment about him being the most sought after or recruited or whatever is interesting. I know he has more offers than Mustain, but I'm pretty sure Mustain committed a lot earlier.

Which, in turn, pretty much makes it true. Mustain had the potential to be more sought after, but he committed sooner.

[Wahls]

Marketing the future Cam Newton:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/marketing-kiehl-frazier.html

The comment about him being the most sought after or recruited or whatever is interesting. I know he has more offers than Mustain, but I'm pretty sure Mustain committed a lot earlier.

Which, in turn, pretty much makes it true. Mustain had the potential to be more sought after, but he committed sooner.

Yeah I'm not taking anything away from either player I just found it interesting.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Are we still on this? lol

[Hoghead]

They CHEAT in the SEC ! What is the problem ? It's a time honored tradition. It won't stop, YOU can't stop it !!!!

[Uncle Ivan]

I wouldn't say crap because I don't make freaking excuses when we lose!! Paying somebody has nothing to do with the outcome of games.  I could care less about what the NCAA did to USC also.  Everybody knows USC was the best and Reggie Bush was the best so who gives a freak about a vacant trophy or championship.  Only consistent losers would hope for that.  You don't get the W anyway if it is vacated.  If Auburn lost to Arkansas than thats on them. Man up and take the L. You guys wanted Cam and Auburn and you got it. What? I thought your zone blitzes was going to stop them. I thought Auburn's defense was pathetic and y'all were going to run circles around them. You guys lost it on the field and now y'all are moaning about pay for play. EXCUSES.

You will never hear me post about refs causing us to lose. You can even track my past post and see when we are losing to south carolina, kentucky, Clemson, etc that I never reference the refs to why we are losing. Its Auburn's game planning and terrible tackling that puts them in bad positions. Heck! When Oregon scored to tie the game in the National Championship it was because the ref kept the drive going with a pick on our player. I wouldn't have uttered anything about that if we lost in OT because we had numerous of chances to pull the game away. So no I wouldn't complain if the shoe was on the other foot.

Like I said, if Auburn was 6-6 and y'all would have beat them this would be almost irrelevant and y'all would be running your mouths. We beat everyone on the field including y'all and its pathetic that you guys feel the need to make yourself's feel better about losing because y'all lost "the right way." Y'all don't pay people and your players are so classy.  who gives a flip. You don't get browning points for that.  Y'all still are losers. You couldn't even beat tOSU. What makes it worst is you guys talked crap the whole flippen week.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Good boy festus. You found a pic from your favorite cartoon. Making strides. Now here is the real test. Which number is higher. 65 or 43?

[Uncle Ivan]

Good boy festus. You found a pic from your favorite cartoon. Making strides.

You gonna luuuuv the month of June, kiddo.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Good boy festus. You found a pic from your favorite cartoon. Making strides.

You gonna luuuuv the month of June, kiddo.

That's a good month festus.

[AirWarren]

I wish people would stop giving this Auburn trash aka fan attention. I have.

[Ex-HAplayer]

I wish people would stop giving this Auburn trash aka fan attention. I have.

^^^ Except you just posted on an Auburn thread in response to me. Suspiciously looks a lot like attention. (65-43)

[Peety]

What about the Arkansas trash? Ex-HA is making more valid points than some of these idiots on here

[Wahls]

If you call diversionary tactics and no respect for college football as a whole good points.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Showband, the only thing i have done is state the truth. Yes, it is unfair that coaches, boosters, and schools cheat to win. But that is sports. You are just mad because I accept that my school does it no matter how wrong it may be.  I am sorry you feel the game is on an unleveled playing field because Arkansas doesn't do anything to cut corners, but the fact is it is on an even playing field because majority of the schools do it.  Like I said, it is more of the fact that Auburn won a NC with an Arkansas Coach and a hated Arkansas athlete who many doubted. Not to mention a controversial qb who the NCAA found innocent, but to the world he is all time evil. The bottomline is Auburn is guilty free right now and many just cannot accept that and probably won't. Thats ok with me.

[Hoghead]

Showband, the only thing i have done is state the truth. Yes, it is unfair that coaches, boosters, and schools cheat to win. But that is sports. You are just mad because I accept that my school does it no matter how wrong it may be.  I am sorry you feel the game is on an unleveled playing field because Arkansas doesn't do anything to cut corners, but the fact is it is on an even playing field because majority of the schools do it.  Like I said, it is more of the fact that Auburn won a NC with an Arkansas Coach and a hated Arkansas athlete who many doubted. Not to mention a controversial qb who the NCAA found innocent, but to the world he is all time evil. The bottomline is Auburn is guilty free right now and many just cannot accept that and probably won't. Thats ok with me.

Arkansas doesnt do anything to cut corners ? SHHHHH ! If there are any Hog Fans on this board who thinks for one second the old secret envelope with money has never been slipped under a players dorm door at Arkansas they're crazy !

[Indiana Jones]

For a program that has to cheat to win Auburn fans sure are a cocky bunch

[AirWarren]

If you call diversionary tactics and no respect for college football as a whole good points.

This.

[Ex-HAplayer]

For a program that has to cheat to win Auburn fans sure are a cocky bunch

I feel like its ok to have a little bragging rights when you win. Keyword: Win. What baffles me is the fact the fans are cocky and they don't even win their conference or bowl game. what in the world!

[Ex-HAplayer]

I wish people would stop giving this Auburn trash aka fan attention. I have.

If you call diversionary tactics and no respect for college football as a whole good points.

This.

You still here? I thought you were done.