Auburn Etc.

[RGP]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ex-auburn-players-claim-systematic-pay-to-play-29592

I'll be watching tomorrow night.

[Uncle Ivan]

DVR....set.

[Wahls]

...AND boom goes the dynamite

[MA]

It happens everywhere... If you think your school isnt doing it then you are very mistaken

[RD™]

[Romeo]

There's no question it happens at just about every DI football school. However, it seems the difference between Auburn is that they seem to make paying players their standard.

[AirWarren]

London bridge is about to come crashing down...

[bdubyab60]

And to the people who say that we should pay college athletes they are all payed in some way or another. Most make more for a game than we do in a month. And according to the radio today these athletes are confessing tonight but there is no paper trail to back it up so far is what I heard this morning.

[hb14lh]

Anyone watch it tonight that wants to share a bit?

[Wahls]

Anyone watch it tonight that wants to share a bit?

This.

[Chosen 1]

Anyone watch it tonight that wants to share a bit?

This.

I'm in the dark too...

[Wahls]

The Auburn faithful is saying that the sources aren't reliable. I'm not sure if they're truly unreliable or if they're just running damage control/in denial.

They're saying the guys were paid for doing the show and are thus unreliable which is a total fallacy IMO. Yeah, so they got paid. It doesn't mean they lied about it.

We'll see.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Why didn't these guys tell the ncaa this 6 months ago when the NCAA was probing Auburn for Cam Newton?? They have their 5 minutes of fame with a little cash to go with it. Good for them.

[Wahls]

Why didn't these guys tell the ncaa this 6 months ago when the NCAA was probing Auburn for Cam Newton?? They have their 5 minutes of fame with a little cash to go with it. Good for them.

You don't know if they did or not, just like during the Cam Newton scandal it didn't come out until much later that there was even a Federal investigation.

[Chosen 1]

Why didn't these guys tell the ncaa this 6 months ago when the NCAA was probing Auburn for Cam Newton?? They have their 5 minutes of fame with a little cash to go with it. Good for them.

They were still getting paid by Auburn then.

[Ex-HAplayer]

of course they were getting paid. I don't understand why y'all think anybody is denying a booster paid a player. Auburn does it!!! It is the fact that we still haven't got caught that ticks people off. These guys can't even name the boosters who paid them. How do you not remember who is paying you thousands of dollars?  Just like tOSU uses sex to get players to their program. Just like Texas A&M is reporting that the recruiting services said that it would cost them 80,000 dollars to get patrick peterson to sign in 2007. It happens and there is no stopping it. Sry.

[Wahls]

Auburn does it!!! It is the fact that we still haven't got caught that ticks people off.

How can you POSSIBLY wear this like a badge of honor? Yes the rule is dumb, players at the D1 level should be compensated further than what they are, but it doesn't make it right.

These guys can't even name the boosters who paid them. How do you not remember who is paying you thousands of dollars?

Have you ever seen the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys"? I need to make an analogy here.

There's a bald guy on there who talks about how he purposefully never got the name of the people he did business with when he did his swap for money for cocaine so that no one could ever lead back to him, and no one could ever pin him for anything.

Same exact concept could be in play.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Because I am a fan of FOOTBALL. I don't come directly into contact with Auburn nor are they my employer so why should I CARE ABOUT WHAT AUBURN DOES? if auburn boosters want to waste their money on teenagers who probably won't amount to nothing if they don't make it professionally and/or risk jail time than thats on them. I only care about football. I don't come in contact with these ppl directly nor do I want to.

Do you wear what ryan mallett does as a badge of honor or matt jones? How about the fact that y'all program has a high list of criminal activity. Do people see you and say "hey, he is a hog fan and he supports drug users so he must be a drug user. I don't care. Just like I don't give a crap about steroids in baseball anymore or kids not showing up to class in NCAAB. If there isn't a means of controlling it and the employer doesn't want to enforce the law than I come to the conclusion that I just don't give a dang. Surely, there is more important things in live than NCAAF and Cam Newton. Well for some of us.

I mean really what do you want me to say? Auburn quit paying players because its wrong and you will go to heck for it?  Ok. Auburn is so wrong to pay players. They cheat,lie,and stomp on the small people to be successful.  Alright, thats majority of America.

*Also college athletes shouldn't be compensated anymore than they are. They get paid weekly allowances plus get a free education, caf food, athletic wear, etc. That is more than enough.

[Wahls]

LOL, where to start.

Let's start with this, do NOT compare Arkansas to Auburn as far as criminal activity. It's not even close. When the NCAA, the FBI, CIA, and the Secret Service move into Fayetteville and stimulates the local economy by running about three hotels for a month, let me know.

As far as your Ryan Mallett/Matt Jones comment the difference between me, you and the rest of the people on this board is that you using the word "we," reference criminal activity, and throw it in our faces, flaunting it like you have a chip on your shoulder with the "catch me if you can" attitude.

How do you condone Auburn's criminal activity while simultaneously criticizing Arkansas? Why is one evil ok while the other isn't?

You care about what Auburn does because you say the word "we." You're emotionally invested or you wouldn't post here while people throw feces at your school. You care, no matter how many times you say that you don't.

I generally back you and War Eagle up on some things on here that are generally said about your school that aren't fair, but you're fair game on this one.

[Ex-HAplayer]

LOL, I don't need you to back me up.  Yes, I can compare who I want when I want. Secondly, I said Auburn has its problems just like Arkansas has their problems, so don't even say I criticize Arkansas and act like Auburn is innocent. The difference is I can acknowledge it unlike you guys. Yes, I am emotionally invested in  the game of football on a football forum talking about my football team. As a FAN, I don't care what Auburn boosters do. Sorry thats reality. It is their money and if they want to spend it on a player than thats all in their power. They take the risk of doing so.

[Wahls]

Your failure to see the hypocrisy of your stance is saddening.

[Ex-HAplayer]

How am I a hypocrite? I don't care what Auburn does, what tOSU does, what Arkansas does, what Oregon does, or what LSU do to recruit. If any of those schools got busted for recruiting violations than I honestly wouldn't care.  I wouldn't waste my time jumping up and down on a forum raising heck over it. I probably would laugh inside like I am doing at Oregon and LSU but I wouldn't raise a big fuss about it. I just care about the game of football. I don't care how much dope Mallett smokes, how much money oregon paid that recruiter, what pryor is selling on ebay etc. Now if you are raping people, robbing people, taking steriods, sellling drugs, beating women, etc than thats a bit different.

Quite honestly, most in here are mad because Auburn beat them on the field with certain Arkansas players, a certain arkansas coach and with a talented but controversial QB ( with the refs help too for some of you.). They have a axe to grind just like these players. Thats fine.  I find it funny that y'all so called rivals Texas A&M is reporting that liles said it would take 80,000 dollars to sign Patrick Peterson which is what other schools were willing to pay. Hence, he went to lsu (the other rival). That doesn't proves LSU paid him but by y'all standards its guilty by association. Yet, I haven't even heard a peep about that. Hmmm but seems like you guys make a mess in your pants when you hear about auburn.

You and me both know if Auburn went 6-6 or 7-5 and loss to most of the west division teams this wouldn't be this huge uproar about it and you guys probably wouldn't give a rats behind. Auburn had a weird succesful season with a team that wasn't on anybody radar. That team overcame everything in their path and people don't want to admit that so they want to throw the whole bus at them. Even, old players. If the tables were turnt and Arkansas had a player that was ruled eligible by the NCAA, won games like auburn did and won a National Championship, most in here would be fine with it and bragging about it calling it admirable that they overcame so much. You are lying to yourself if you say that isn't true. So spare me with all the hypocrisy, condoning, honorable bull crap.

[Hoghead]

Yea 4 former Auburn players admit to taking money while playing at Auburn. Stanley McClover, Chaz Ramsey, Troy Reddick and Raven Gray all said they received money.
McClover in a HBO interview said he received 7 thousand dollars to buy a 1973 Impala. He also stated he got 4 thousand dollars for 4 sacks in a Iron Bowl game against Bama. On his recruiting trip to LSU & Michigan St. McClover admits to taking a 500 dollar secret handshake.
He said on his trip to Ohio St. sexual favors were given.
Chaz Ramsey says he received 300 to 400 dollars a game while at Auburn. Troy Riddick says he can't remember how much he was paid. (GOOD ANSWER TROY) He said coach's made him change his major because it interfered with practice times. Raven Gray said he received 3 thousand dollars as well. He later left the program due to injuries.
Well there you go, let the rocks fly !!!!!!!

(A HH Exclusive.) 00:30 AM

[MA]

Oddly enough I agree with Ex-HA.... Everybody does it. Its pointless to try and stop it. The top players are going to be paid to play. Nothing is going to change that. Its not worth worrying about IMO

[AirWarren]

According to one auburn supporter/idiot, it is ok what auburn is doing just as long as he stays a fan and not accept any cash.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Oh no...the name calling and over the internet too   How much this mean to soo much of the Arkansas brethren that they feel obliged to name call over a sports forum.  Pity. It will be ok big guy. The sun still shines in the morning and you can go to work feeling a little better about life that you got a jab in over the internet in a sports forum. That will show dem Auburn socialist, pro-abortion, anti-jesus, Cam lover, tree hugger, cheaters!

Anywho, Hoghead it is a sad sight to hear these players had to go through such a rough time at Auburn.  We forced them to come with our checks and green dollar bills. We even enticed one to change their major. Woe to us, for we have corrupted college football.  Yes, Auburn is the cause of all of this terribleness and corruption of the NCAA, BCS, and Life in general.  Thank God, HBO was here to set us straight with its unbiased reporting, classy interviewing, and loving attitude to these poor guys. They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story. Bless them. On a bright note at least McClover can pay off his Impala now. Praise!

I for one see the horrors Auburn has committed and the sleepless nights it gives to the Ole Natural State, as well as the rest of the world.  Condemned, I am just as they are.  I mean shouldn't I bare the shame too?  I mean paying people ( Preachers!!), walking over the small guy to be successful, intimidating refs to throw the game in our favor, intermingling with the BCS and Khadifi himself....These are evils that must be dealt with and wiped away from not only the nation but the face of the earth. Pronto! I am talking to you Obama, For God sakes man put the bracket away! Anyway, I digress.

Thank you, HBO.

[olddog79]

Oh no...the name calling and over the internet too   How much this mean to soo much of the Arkansas brethren that they feel obliged to name call over a sports forum.  Pity. It will be ok big guy. The sun still shines in the morning and you can go to work feeling a little better about life that you got a jab in over the internet in a sports forum. That will show dem Auburn socialist, pro-abortion, anti-jesus, Cam lover, tree hugger, cheaters!

Anywho, Hoghead it is a sad sight to hear these players had to go through such a rough time at Auburn.  We forced them to come with our checks and green dollar bills. We even enticed one to change their major. Woe to us, for we have corrupted college football.  Yes, Auburn is the cause of all of this terribleness and corruption of the NCAA, BCS, and Life in general.  Thank God, HBO was here to set us straight with its unbiased reporting, classy interviewing, and loving attitude to these poor guys. They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story. Bless them. On a bright note at least McClover can pay off his Impala now. Praise!

I for one see the horrors Auburn has committed and the sleepless nights it gives to the Ole Natural State, as well as the rest of the world.  Condemned, I am just as they are.  I mean shouldn't I bare the shame too?  I mean paying people ( Preachers!!), walking over the small guy to be successful, intimidating refs to throw the game in our favor, intermingling with the BCS and Khadifi himself....These are evils that must be dealt with and wiped away from not only the nation but the face of the earth. Pronto! I am talking to you Obama, For God sakes man put the bracket away! Anyway, I digress.

Thank you, HBO.

pitiful post

[olddog79]

Oddly enough I agree with Ex-HA.... Everybody does it. Its pointless to try and stop it. The top players are going to be paid to play. Nothing is going to change that. Its not worth worrying about IMO

I don't remember EX HA saying any of this BEFORE Auburn got caught. He's simply justifying what his team did. Pitiful.

[GotInfo?]

None of these guys have much credability in my book...They're playing careers didn't pan out like they wanted and so now they get a chance to get some spot light.  Now, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen, but I mean come on...Before this, who really remembers these guys??? If they were as "Good" as the money they say they got stands for, you would think that they would have done something football wise to be remembered by...
And just to throw it out there...I am not an Auburn fan at all

[QPWFB]

I just don't like AU for all the reasons mentioned above (AR players, ex coaches, refs) and enjoy seeing all the negative publicity thrown their way. I have no proof any of it is true and frankly don't care! If this much smoke is present,  fire can't be far away!!! I just choose to hate them, they are what "Utex" used to be, the team I love to hate. It joy's me to see their name tarnished! I would hate being a kid commited to this university for the next 4 years, they have to be second guessing their decision.

[Indiana Jones]

This will be Auburn after the NCAA gets done with them

[Rizzo]

Eh, I'm over the whole pay to play, cheating stuff.


Everybody does it. Anyone who things otherwise is either naive (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), or just stupid. Some just do it better than others. If you think money shakes aren't common, and don't happen frequently, you're dumb.

Some schools do it better than others, it's as simple as that.

Now, the whole criminal thing, that's another story.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Oddly enough I agree with Ex-HA.... Everybody does it. Its pointless to try and stop it. The top players are going to be paid to play. Nothing is going to change that. Its not worth worrying about IMO

I don't remember EX HA saying any of this BEFORE Auburn got caught. He's simply justifying what his team did. Pitiful.

False! check my past post. I have always said we payed people. Secondly, we haven't got caught doing anything. It has all been allegations.  The only thing I have said is we aren't the only ones doing it over and over again.

[bdubyab60]

regardless of the fact that everybody does this Auburn is in the crossairs for sure and there is no proof as of yet but the NCAA will more than likely investigate this for a while instead of a couple weeks like the Cam thing. If they get away with it fine but if they dont you can probably ship that BCS championship back to NCAA headquarters and get ready for some sanctions I know these players were there before the this years team and had already graduated but it will take nothing for them to tie one of this years players to some money and it doesnt even have to Cam and this whole year will have been for nothing. And everybody should realize that in the long run with everybody doing this it will eventually ruin college football if the NCAA doesnt do it first.

[Ex-HAplayer]

Oh no...the name calling and over the internet too   How much this mean to soo much of the Arkansas brethren that they feel obliged to name call over a sports forum.  Pity. It will be ok big guy. The sun still shines in the morning and you can go to work feeling a little better about life that you got a jab in over the internet in a sports forum. That will show dem Auburn socialist, pro-abortion, anti-jesus, Cam lover, tree hugger, cheaters!

Anywho, Hoghead it is a sad sight to hear these players had to go through such a rough time at Auburn.  We forced them to come with our checks and green dollar bills. We even enticed one to change their major. Woe to us, for we have corrupted college football.  Yes, Auburn is the cause of all of this terribleness and corruption of the NCAA, BCS, and Life in general.  Thank God, HBO was here to set us straight with its unbiased reporting, classy interviewing, and loving attitude to these poor guys. They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story. Bless them. On a bright note at least McClover can pay off his Impala now. Praise!

I for one see the horrors Auburn has committed and the sleepless nights it gives to the Ole Natural State, as well as the rest of the world.  Condemned, I am just as they are.  I mean shouldn't I bare the shame too?  I mean paying people ( Preachers!!), walking over the small guy to be successful, intimidating refs to throw the game in our favor, intermingling with the BCS and Khadifi himself....These are evils that must be dealt with and wiped away from not only the nation but the face of the earth. Pronto! I am talking to you Obama, For God sakes man put the bracket away! Anyway, I digress.

Thank you, HBO.

pitiful post

you liked it!!

[Uncle Ivan]

Oh no...the name calling and over the internet too   How much this mean to soo much of the Arkansas brethren that they feel obliged to name call over a sports forum.  Pity. It will be ok big guy. The sun still shines in the morning and you can go to work feeling a little better about life that you got a jab in over the internet in a sports forum. That will show dem Auburn socialist, pro-abortion, anti-jesus, Cam lover, tree hugger, cheaters!

Anywho, Hoghead it is a sad sight to hear these players had to go through such a rough time at Auburn.  We forced them to come with our checks and green dollar bills. We even enticed one to change their major. Woe to us, for we have corrupted college football.  Yes, Auburn is the cause of all of this terribleness and corruption of the NCAA, BCS, and Life in general.  Thank God, HBO was here to set us straight with its unbiased reporting, classy interviewing, and loving attitude to these poor guys. They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story. Bless them. On a bright note at least McClover can pay off his Impala now. Praise!

I for one see the horrors Auburn has committed and the sleepless nights it gives to the Ole Natural State, as well as the rest of the world.  Condemned, I am just as they are.  I mean shouldn't I bare the shame too?  I mean paying people ( Preachers!!), walking over the small guy to be successful, intimidating refs to throw the game in our favor, intermingling with the BCS and Khadifi himself....These are evils that must be dealt with and wiped away from not only the nation but the face of the earth. Pronto! I am talking to you Obama, For God sakes man put the bracket away! Anyway, I digress.

Thank you, HBO.

If I knew this guy better, I'd swear this is a drunk post.

[Coach Venny Slocombe]

Oh no...the name calling and over the internet too   How much this mean to soo much of the Arkansas brethren that they feel obliged to name call over a sports forum.  Pity. It will be ok big guy. The sun still shines in the morning and you can go to work feeling a little better about life that you got a jab in over the internet in a sports forum. That will show dem Auburn socialist, pro-abortion, anti-jesus, Cam lover, tree hugger, cheaters!

Anywho, Hoghead it is a sad sight to hear these players had to go through such a rough time at Auburn.  We forced them to come with our checks and green dollar bills. We even enticed one to change their major. Woe to us, for we have corrupted college football.  Yes, Auburn is the cause of all of this terribleness and corruption of the NCAA, BCS, and Life in general.  Thank God, HBO was here to set us straight with its unbiased reporting, classy interviewing, and loving attitude to these poor guys. They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story. Bless them. On a bright note at least McClover can pay off his Impala now. Praise!

I for one see the horrors Auburn has committed and the sleepless nights it gives to the Ole Natural State, as well as the rest of the world.  Condemned, I am just as they are.  I mean shouldn't I bare the shame too?  I mean paying people ( Preachers!!), walking over the small guy to be successful, intimidating refs to throw the game in our favor, intermingling with the BCS and Khadifi himself....These are evils that must be dealt with and wiped away from not only the nation but the face of the earth. Pronto! I am talking to you Obama, For God sakes man put the bracket away! Anyway, I digress.

Thank you, HBO.

If I knew this guy better, I'd swear this is a drunk post.

Go to his posting history...they all seem like drunken posts...

[Ex-HAplayer]

Drunk posts: Arkansas is going to go undefeated, we are going to kill tOSU, Auburn won't beat us, they won't beat Bama @ Bama, the refs are out to get us, zone blitzes will stop cam newton, south carolina will beat Auburn, We should beat bama @ Bama...yeah

[RGP]

Chizik calls the feature "garbage" and asks why none of the Auburn interviewees who said there was no pay-for-play scheme were mentioned on the report.

1. Funny he says this now considering NO Auburn officials accepted offers to be interviewed by HBO.
2. Those you see on the show were the only ones who were filmed on camera.

No, not every team does this, and it is the NCAA's responsibility to punish those who are caught until the rules change.

Also, HBO says that none of those interviewed for the show were paid. In fact, Kenny Rogers WANTED to be paid for an interview and HBO declined.

The NCAA's inability to do this only reveals how inefficient and useless it really is right now. Honestly, I think Auburn should be punished by the NCAA, and the NCAA needs some serious new leadership and direction.

[Hoghead]

THEY CHEAT AT ALL SEC SCHOOLS. The fact Auburn players are spilling their guts is Auburns problem !

[RGP]

They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story.

That's not true.

[Ex-HAplayer]

They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story.

That's not true.

You seriously don't think HBO paid these scrubs?  Yeah and Cam knew nothing of his dad dealings with MSU.

[Brian G]

They even compensated these grown men for the pain and suffering they may have to endure for telling this o so sad story.

That's not true.

You seriously don't think HBO paid these scrubs?  Yeah and Cam knew nothing of his dad dealings with MSU.

"We had some inroads on [the] Cam Newton story. The day I was getting ready to get on a plane, they pulled the plug on it. HBO does not pay for interviews – that was one of the issues that came up."

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/andrea-kremer-real-sports-auburn-cam-newton/

[Ex-HAplayer]

I don't care what a publicist says that is associated with HBO. They paid those guys.  Auburn can send a million publicist, attorneys, and public speakers to write a statement saying they didn't pay players. Doesn't mean they didn't. These guys chose schools by payment. Now all of a sudden you think they have a kind heart to just interview with no strings attached? The guys who have been cut by the nfl and who left school early with no degrees to show for it? Yeah they did this for free alright.

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/3/31/2081932/hbo-auburn-football-players-show-real-sports

I can post links too. Money makes the world go around.

[Uncle Ivan]

I don't care what a publicist says that is associated with HBO. They paid those guys.  Auburn can send a million publicist, attorneys, and public speakers to write a statement saying they didn't pay players. Doesn't mean they didn't. These guys chose schools by payment. Now all of a sudden you think they have a kind heart to just interview with no strings attached? The guys who have been cut by the nfl and who left school early with no degrees to show for it? Yeah they did this for free alright.

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/3/31/2081932/hbo-auburn-football-players-show-real-sports

I can post links too. Money makes the world go around.

Paaaaaaaaaawwwwwwl

It's just a big conspiracy against Auburn, PAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWL

[War Eagle]

I take it that intelligence isn't your strong suit

[Ex-HAplayer]

I don't care what a publicist says that is associated with HBO. They paid those guys.  Auburn can send a million publicist, attorneys, and public speakers to write a statement saying they didn't pay players. Doesn't mean they didn't. These guys chose schools by payment. Now all of a sudden you think they have a kind heart to just interview with no strings attached? The guys who have been cut by the nfl and who left school early with no degrees to show for it? Yeah they did this for free alright.

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/3/31/2081932/hbo-auburn-football-players-show-real-sports

I can post links too. Money makes the world go around.

Paaaaaaaaaawwwwwwl

It's just a big conspiracy against Auburn, PAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWL

Festus, the retard here ^^^

[Uncle Ivan]

Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.

    Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.

    In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden alleged that the "pay-for-play" system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach Wayne Hall.

    Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.

    Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn 's head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within." I broke the rules," Bowden said. "I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.

    I was hiding a dirty secret." Bowden said the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department." Nothing was done without Lowder knowing." Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking.

    This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine's salary as long as we didn't tell her where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.

    Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, "Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at Auburn ." Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn't resign.

    I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel's office in Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night before the interview, Lowder told me "here's how the interview will go."

    This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There were six candidates – Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he knew he couldn't get him approved. I was the backup.

    I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That's how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.

    Tommy (Bowden, Terry's brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day on the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said "you can't hire Hall." But then I understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn't hire Hall we will find a new president.

    So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it was paid. He said we've still got 9-12 players that we're paying $600 per month.

    We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.

    Hall said "OK, but you will change your mind." Katherine came to Auburn as my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told Lowder "We have cash all over." Lowder said "I told Wayne not to collect more than we had to have to pay the players." Wayne had a safe in his house wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about paying Jelks.

    Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, "I didn't want Wayne to collect more money than we needed to pay the players." I was hiding a dirty secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.

    It took about two years to get it all cleaned up. Most the guys we were paying weren't any good and weren't helping us win games. Steve Davis was the exception.

    Here is how it works, fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good men. They didn't ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1.

    My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, "Hall is on the phone a lot with Lowder." I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.

    I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to players – Rane, Spina and McWhorter.

    Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came on. I don't dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I called Lowder.

    I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) "He's not a good AD, but he's my AD." David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping Lowder informed.

    By my last year I'm having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to win.

    After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year and get out.

    When I got here Lowder said don't talk to Muse, he's weak and his wife is a n—-r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last week I was coach: Monday – The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.

    I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday – (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday – I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel.

    He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source.

    He said he also wants you to know that he doesn't care if you win five of your next six, you're out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if Fob James wins (the governor's race). Thursday – I brought in my lawyer, Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.

    He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn't even know. They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.

    Interview with Terry Bowden—

[Chosen 1]

Wow, good read. Where'd you find that Ivan?

[Uncle Ivan]

Festus, the retard here ^^^

Any real Barner would immediately recognize a Finebaum show reference.