I would like to hear the story

[heffy22]

of a certain dad getting tossed and how it all played out.  He scared the crap out of my son at the Fay. Spr. game.

[Smithian]

Assuming you're speaking about his ejection at the Southside game, from what I saw between looking away and laughing too hard to see clearly...

After an intentional foul near the end, Mr. Super Dad stood up, started screaming and cussing and dropping words to naughty for this PG forum, he immediately got the refs attention. As soon as the ref on that side(I think it was Tommy Kraft over there.)turned and saw him flipping them off, he immediately motioned to one of the police officers nearby to remove him. The cop went over there and waved to come down. So, Super Dad while going down there kept walking down slowly while continuing his expletive laced barrage along with his flipping of the finger.

After that, I was laughing too hard and trying to talk to the person next to me about it to relate the story. I can tell you the cop did escort him out and everything I think RGP could give you a better idea.

I said it before on this board that his son would be affected by this, people laughed at me, but seeing the body language of his son following the ejection was flat out sad.

[Quite Frankly]

As alluded to in the opening post by heffy22, he apparently was a handful at a home game on Tuesday night.

I also note a column by Rick Fires in today's DemGaz about parents in the stands.  He is obviously referencing that Friday incident by a parent and implies the parent used the word 'coward' to ref as he was led away.

For those not aware, there is a parent that has been quite the sideshow in NWA for several years on the junior high circuit is now bringing his A-game to the 7A West circuit.

A true sideshow. 

11 more games to go in conference play.  Plenty of chances left for you to take in the act.  Appearances still remain in Ft Smith, Bentonville, Fayetteville, Rogers and several in Springdale.

Tickets will not be sold in advance.

It should also be noted the harsh language allegedly used by the parent could also be heard from a certain coach during and after the game for those with even the most marginal of hearing capabilities.

Classy stuff.

[sevenof400]

FYI - Fires' column appears in the NW Arkansas version of the ADG.

[RGP]

I was wanting to start a thread about 'certain fan' and make a count for his ejection total for the year..... but this thread will suffice.

I know he was kicked out of the game on Friday and was noticed by the refs during the Coke Classic (Only times I've seen him). Has he been kicked out anywhere else yet?

Let's make predictions when and where the next time will be....

I hope he doesn't try at Northside.... those angry mommas will kick his ....

[Quite Frankly]

To the best of my knowledge, none previously this basketball season by a SHS parent.  Of course the most likely occurrences are during loses.  Their preseason schedule allowed them to win more games than usual so things were a little more upbeat.  But they got crushed Tuesday and then with that loss at SS Friday it was predictable.

One is best known for some confrontations in junior high and one with Ramona Heath among others.

He's also the consummate meddler in a coaches business.

Here's the thing.  Coaches and Administrators have ultimate authority to ban spectators.  Even prior to the games if they have a history to base it on.  You have to figure that's coming if his actions continue.  Of course each conference team only has to deal with him once in their own gym.  But SHS has him in their sights at home a substantial number of times.

Train wreck in progress.

[AAAspectator]

Is this certain dad the one that carries a basketball everywhere?

[Yee-Haw]

Is no one going to discuss what happened to Bill Taylor after the game? Is that not common/public knowledge? Also heard he was out of control afterwards, cops involved, administrators involved, etc.

Anybody know about this?

[silvers]

Is this certain dad the one that carries a basketball everywhere?

One in the same

[Baitshop]

This gentlemen may not be welcomed at the game AT Northside......and the Coach that was screaming, at midcourt, at the refs immediately after the game was also inviting parent to "bring it on" after his tirade at the officials was over......he is fortunate that Mr. Haver got to him first......the guy he was barking at would and could have thumped his butt in a heartbeat......

BTW......a "meddling parent" whose kid DOES NOT attend Southside......who'd a thought??....

[7AChamp]

Does a personal business create such underlying passion?   Is this the same person that owns this business?  http://hoopsnrhythm.net/Home_Page.html

For the record, there were several parents who probably weren't proud of their actions Friday night.  That includes parents on both sides of the fence.  This guy wasn't by himself.  No ejection would have likely occurred had he and other Springdale parents simply left the official score table alone.   The floor officials had completely ignored the stands because neither team was pleased with what they considered frivolous fouls, but when the guy couldn't get any rise out of the floor officials, he stepped forward and hindered the official clock and scorekeeper.   Had he simply left them alone, he may have still remained in the gym, just like the Springdale coach; hostile and ill-mannered, but tolerated. 

Regardless of what occurred during this game, the Baird kid is an amazing player.  He has all of the tools to be the best in the state.  He just needs more time, proper coaching and the right leadership.  Great player, period.  His effort was impressive.

[Quite Frankly]

A rumor is floating that he took over 30 shots in this game.

Anyone confirm?

For those wondering, this thread has split into being about 2 people.  The parent incident(s) and the coach's incident(s).

[oldguy_21]

Were the two related?

Was Taylor getting into it with the official and the dad after the game? If so what was the reason for the problem between the coach and parent?

[Quite Frankly]

Both incidents were separate as they occurred.  But connected in the sense you have two very volatile personalities that are both in self-destruction mode.

You have to think some higher ups will soon become involved before the stench becomes unrepairable.

This thing is ugly.

[7AChamp]

Indeed, it was a very ugly situation.  The players on both teams should however be complimented on how they behaved, despite how the adults behaved.  The Southside administration and police also responded professionally.

At minimum, the ultimate outcome should be an official reprimand for the Springdale coach, and the Springdale parent in question should be banded for a year from any event in the city of Fort Smith.

[Carl]

The strange thing about the Fayetteville game was that nothing was happening.  It was neither an intense close game nor a frustrating blow-out.  No one else was worked up and the rest of the crowd was calm when this lunatic starts screaming and comes sprinting down the bleachers like he's going to rush the court (I didn't learn until later that it was Baird).  A policeman came over, but the next 3 close calls went Springdale's way and Baird returned to his seat.  His antics were met by shocked, awkward silence and embarrassment for him.

[Carl]

Do you see this happening (1:45 in video)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4eguhhL0o&eurl=http://deadspin.com/5133934/mr-referee-may-i-have-a-quick-word-with-you

[Quite Frankly]

We all know that sometimes things get a little hectic during ball games and random things can occur when triggered.  But as Carl stated, the incidents talked about on this thread are not really sparked by something tangible.

It's more of a case of grown men with real anger issues ready to implode just because they are frustrated. 

They seem to want the confrontations.

[nwahog]

Anyone remember the verbal argument after the Van Buren at Southside game a couple years ago?  It wasn't with the officials, but opposing fans after the game.  Police had to intervene there as well.  Then there is my favorite story!  A Fayetteville player threatened to fight me when coming out of the locker room, due to mild heckling.  This sounds much more exciting though.

[Baitshop]

Were the two related?

Was Taylor getting into it with the official and the dad after the game? If so what was the reason for the problem between the coach and parent?

Taylor was egging on a Southside fan, not a players dad from either team.....

And as I said before.....Taylors "bulldog" mouth was very close to writing a check that his "chihuahua" butt didn't want to, and couldn't cash.....he was WAAAAYYY over his head with the gentleman that he was tellling to shut up and "bring it on" to........

[Smithian]

BTW......a "meddling parent" whose kid DOES NOT attend Southside......who'd a thought??....

Mom must be a Rebel.

[medman1]

The funny thing about this thread is that the man ya'll are calling a trouble-maker wasn't even at the game, he was is Springdale.

This is why forums are so dangerous.  People get on here and assume they know what's going on and post whether it's the truth or not.

I can not speak of the other instances that ya'll are talking about because I was not there, but I have been to many High School basketball games and trust me when I say parents get out of control everywhere.  P.A. had parents thrown out of the state quarter finals VS EPC a few years ago.  Does that make it right?  NO,  but it happens.

And finally the refs in Arkansas are BAD, BAD, BAD.
They hold grudges.  Grudges against coaches, parents and schools and will put it to your team if they get a chance. For example Southside shot 18 freethrows in the second half while Springdale shot 0.  Sometimes a coach has to stand up for his kids if he thinks there getting hosed, I don't know if this was the case or not, but I would have been PO'ed.

[Quite Frankly]

Thanks Coach T.

Make no mistake, when he used the F word on the sidelines, in the hall after wards and again when he was restrained in the parking lot it had nothing to do with 'standing up for his kids'.

It has more to do with his own personal issues.

This is not the first of this type, but I won't air it here.

[medman1]

oops.

[Quite Frankly]

well first off im not coach T. 

second you need to be responsible in what you post on here about parents and other people.

all i ask is get your facts stright

Yes, we know your not Coach T.

So are you saying that the incident in Ft Smith is not  the same person that showed out running all over the place with his megaphone and calling Fayetteville fans "losers" in the middle of their section on Tuesday?

You have 2 parents like this?  The SS incident and the FHS incident are different people?

As for the posts on Taylor, they are verified by numerous sources that include sportwriters, administrators, coaches and athletic directors. 

All the spin won't change that a lick.

Care to discuss some of the student section being tossed out Tuesday as well?

[medman1]

First of all, I am not Bill Taylor.  And second, I wasn't necessarily defending Coach Taylor.  I was intending to defend the parent who was not even at the game, but was being accused... 

[Quite Frankly]

Again, your contention is that two different parents were responsible for those acts last week?

[Quite Frankly]

oops.

See you edited this one so now how about this one below?

First of all, I am not Bill Taylor.  And second, I wasn't necessarily defending Coach Taylor.  I was intending to defend the parent who was not even at the game, but was being accused... 

So this editing of your original post is in fact an admission you were in error?

[medman1]

 

[Smithian]

Care to discuss some of the student section being tossed out Tuesday as well?

Wowzers. Please do tell.

[Quite Frankly]

I only heard it happened.  I just know 4 or so that included an All-State football player was supposedly escorted out.

Someone else might know the details.

[sevenof400]

...And finally the refs in Arkansas are BAD, BAD, BAD. 

Really?  You're an expert on this area?  Please enlighten us as to your credentials.

...They hold grudges.  Grudges against coaches, parents and schools and will put it to your team if they get a chance.

Ever consider that this relationship runs the other way?  How many coaches or parents see the referee crew for the night's game and immediately expect the worst? 

How'd you like to work in such an environment?

For example Southside shot 18 freethrows in the second half while Springdale shot 0.  Sometimes a coach has to stand up for his kids if he thinks there getting hosed, I don't know if this was the case or not, but I would have been PO'ed.

Well, let's see.  Perhaps Springdale fouled more than Southside - a lot more.  Why do people expect the foul count in a game to be even - if one team fouls more than the other, you get the result your team earns. 

[Smithian]

The referees weren't going to reward Springdale when almost every possession was Bair overpenetrating, being collapsed on by 2 or 3 guys, and trying to force it up. They refs weren't going to bail him out.

[Quite Frankly]

Careful Smithian, youknowho will come and find you.

[medman1]

I don't know if you would consider these credentials persay, but I have attended about 150 ballgames in Arkansas, Tennessee and Missouri this year and at least that many every year for the past ten years...  I would say I know how the refs are for the most part. 

I'm not a coach, a ref or an administrator of any school that works with the Springdale ball team, nor have I said I was.  I was just posting my opinion.  And asking for you to check your facts for accuracy before you post them on a public forum...   

[Quite Frankly]

I don't know if you would consider these credentials persay, but I have attended about 150 ballgames in Arkansas, Tennessee and Missouri this year and at least that many every year for the past ten years...  I would say I know how the refs are for the most part. 

I'm not a coach, a ref or an administrator of any school that works with the Springdale ball team, nor have I said I was.  I was just posting my opinion.  And asking for you to check your facts for accuracy before you post them on a public forum...   

You've been asked several time directly to provide something to say otherwise to what has been posted.  You have skipped that each time.

You seem destined to defend the actions of the most questionable nature by simply making accusations against people posted. 

How do you expect to be given an ounce of credibility when you edit and delete your own posts?

Don't imply what you read is false and then run and hide.  Of course it none of it is false, you don't have a thing to prove.

[Adjudicator]

Now you see what we have had to put up with when he was in NE Arkansas. Glad he's your's now!

[Missco]

He he he.....

[referee1]

What goes around comes around and it sounds as if it is "coming" around.

[Baitshop]

What goes around comes around and it sounds as if it is "coming" around.

I am not sure what Taylors past is with inviting parents/spectators to "bring it on"......but there are some folks here in NWA that will not only take him up on his offer, but will make him regret making the offer ......he has no idea how close he came to being "humbled" in front of his team and fans last Friday evening.....

[PointerGreen]

I have got to get out and watch some basketball!!

[Smithian]

Careful Smithian, youknowho will come and find you.

Oh God, 479 is coming-... Wait, this is basketball. Who is coming? A Cabot fan?

Oh, I forgot, the great Mr. Baird... With Coach Taylor as his sidekick.

[medman1]

I didn't change fact in my second post, I merely changed grammatical errors and accidentally posted two similar messages.  Doi!  And as far as having "skipped" anything, I am unsure of what the question is in which I am suppose to be answering...

And Coach Taylor can defend himself.  My whole point initially was that they were two different people and it is senseless to attack someone who wasn't even at the ballgame in reference. 

[urban legend]

That makes two of us PointerGreen. I did see Taylor in action a couple of years ago during the postseason while he was at Buffalo Island...he truly is a sight to see.

[Baitshop]

I didn't change fact in my second post, I merely changed grammatical errors and accidentally posted two similar messages.  Doi!  And as far as having "skipped" anything, I am unsure of what the question is in which I am suppose to be answering...

And Coach Taylor can defend himself.  My whole point initially was that they were two different people and it is senseless to attack someone who wasn't even at the ballgame in reference. 

Who was not at this game that you think is being mis-indentified??

[Baitshop]

I didn't change fact in my second post, I merely changed grammatical errors and accidentally posted two similar messages.  Doi!  And as far as having "skipped" anything, I am unsure of what the question is in which I am suppose to be answering...

And Coach Taylor can defend himself.  My whole point initially was that they were two different people and it is senseless to attack someone who wasn't even at the ballgame in reference. 

Who was not at this game that you think is being mis-indentified??

It is my understanding that the "gentlemen" that was thrown out of the gym was, in fact, the man who has been identified by name in this thread.......

Are you saying that Baird was NOT at Southside last Friday night??

[Baitshop]

I didn't change fact in my second post, I merely changed grammatical errors and accidentally posted two similar messages.  Doi!  And as far as having "skipped" anything, I am unsure of what the question is in which I am suppose to be answering...

And Coach Taylor can defend himself.  My whole point initially was that they were two different people and it is senseless to attack someone who wasn't even at the ballgame in reference. 

Who was not at this game that you think is being mis-indentified??

It is my understanding that the "gentlemen" that was thrown out of the gym was, in fact, the man who has been identified by name in this thread.......

Are you saying that Baird was NOT at Southside last Friday night??

[heffy22]

Now my dilemma, do I go see a great game in Rogers, or go watch the freak show in Bentonville?  If I thought Bville was going to win I would go just for the fireworks.

[Smithian]

See a great game in Rogers. He'll be toned down today following the outburst last Friday. Let it build up again.

[heffy22]

will do.