Per Robert Yates of the Demozette.
I wonder if Shilow will give them any tape?
That's hilarious.
Wow. Be interesting to see this one.
This will be a good measure to see if Bentonville and the 7A west truly are a top dog program in regards to a real Texas team/Program.
They waited till Euless wasn't #1 program in nation. They kinda slipped last couple years. Not to say they are terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Is this one gonna be televised like the Shiloh one was? Shiloh prob wishes that it wasn't on TV, but maybe Bentonville will have a lil better luck against them.
Trinity as a .500 team would still monkey stomp most any team in this state.
What does Bennie have coming back?
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Will the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 amWill the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
Zing!
Maybe Trinity will get off to a slow start like last year, but like gatecrasher said it won't matter. Everyone went off on how stupid Shiloh's Coach was for playing Trinity, is Bentonville's coach making the same mistake?
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Maybe Trinity will get off to a slow start like last year, but like gatecrasher said it won't matter. Everyone went off on how stupid Shiloh's Coach was for playing Trinity, is Bentonville's coach making the same mistake?
It's a good way to see how you measure up. I watched some of the different state title games on FSW this Dec, there were good teams but they didn't seem world class. The big problems Shilow had was not having enough bodies, and some of those were more 2A level than 5A. I hope it's on TV, or at least Lanny streams it.
What's the over/under on how many holding penalties will be called on Euless Trinity? I'm going to say 6. (Texas schools play by NCAA rules).
Early line from DixiePrep:
Bennie +15.5
Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Wasn't South Panola, MS state champs?
Not saying for one sec that Bennie cant win. They proved last yr that they can play with most anyone. I was just speaking about Arkansas teams in general.
Quote from: gatecrasher on March 07, 2013, 09:43:28 am
Not saying for one sec that Bennie cant win. They proved last yr that they can play with most anyone. I was just speaking about Arkansas teams in general.
;D both were very true statements. ;D
So Bentonville has taken up the task of redeeming Arkansas from the embarrassment of slaughter of Shiloh and showing the nation that there are actually some great teams here in Arkansas? Im not gonna say Bennie has no chance at winning, but the odds are stacked against them big time. They will definitely give Trinity a better game than Shiloh did. I have no clue how much better or worse this Trinity team is than the last, but they'll get a game out of the Tigers unlike the Saints. All I gotta say is I doubt Lunney would have scheduled this game if he knew it was gonna be a beat down and he had absolutely no chance at winning. Im sure he has a trick or two still up his sleeves.
I'm like gate on this one, what does Bentonville have coming back?
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Wasn't South Panola, MS state champs?
Which says more about the overall quality of high school football in Mississippi than high school football in Arkansas....
As I have noted several times....I've watched SP play twice in last 4 years.....they would finish no better than 3rd in the West most years....
Quote from: gatecrasher on March 07, 2013, 09:43:28 am
Not saying for one sec that Bennie cant win. They proved last yr that they can play with most anyone. I was just speaking about Arkansas teams in general.
the largest school in the largest class...they should be able to...in general.
I'm out of the loop, is this real?
Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Will the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
You think anyone Bennie beats is overated other than your Rebs.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 12, 2013, 01:38:45 pm
I'm out of the loop, is this real?
Billyo, we've always considered you aloof, is that the same? According to the ADG is true.
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I'm out of the loop, is this real?
Billyo, we've always considered you aloof, is that the same? According to the ADG is true.
That will be interesting, We play the Rock in KC and Trinity at home.. scary
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Will the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
You think anyone Bennie beats is overated other than your Rebs.
Surely you're not insinuating that Rockhurst and SP weren't overrated..??..??
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Will the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
You think anyone Bennie beats is overated other than your Rebs.
Surely you're not insinuating that Rockhurst and SP weren't overrated..??..??
Probably last years teams after the fact, yes. because they lost to Bennie!
Trinity will probably be overated this year.
Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Will the loss of Barry Jr.'s playcalling doom Bennie before the game is played..??..??
Southside and Greenwood wouldn't return our calls. Something about not wanting to upgrade their schedules.
Actually, I know for a fact that Southside's first call after learning of oar forced move to the Central, was to Bennie....it took 3 calls to get a response and we were told that they couldn't work us in....
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 10:01:17 am
Actually, I know for a fact that Southside's first call after learning of oar forced move to the Central, was to Bennie....it took 3 calls to get a response and we were told that they couldn't work us in....
So, are your feelings hurt? I would have loved to play Southside but they did in fact schedule better teams than Southside. It also negated the possibility of playing another 7A team twice in one year.
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 10:01:17 am
Actually, I know for a fact that Southside's first call after learning of oar forced move to the Central, was to Bennie....it took 3 calls to get a response and we were told that they couldn't work us in....
So, are your feelings hurt? I would have loved to play Southside but they did in fact schedule better teams than Southside. It also negated the possibility of playing another 7A team twice in one year.
Feelings not hurt at all...knew what the response would be before the call was made....just wanted to prove the point and watch the uncomfortable flinch from the Bennie side...
Barry hates playing Southside...too many undefeated and championship seasons ended at the hands of the Rebels....
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 10:01:17 am
Actually, I know for a fact that Southside's first call after learning of oar forced move to the Central, was to Bennie....it took 3 calls to get a response and we were told that they couldn't work us in....
So, are your feelings hurt? I would have loved to play Southside but they did in fact schedule better teams than Southside. It also negated the possibility of playing another 7A team twice in one year.
Feelings not hurt at all...knew what the response would be before the call was made....just wanted to prove the point and watch the uncomfortable flinch from the Bennie side...
Barry hates playing Southside...too many undefeated and championship seasons ended at the hands of the Rebels....
Really, how many exactly?
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
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Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
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Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Glad to see you back o62
Long Distance, seems a little strange! ;)
Who is Bennie scheduled to play OOC this year, so Far I hear Rockhurst and Trinity? Do we play Panola away?
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Just remember....we aren't the ones that said "no"....
we ain't duckin' nobody...
And you can't say that is because they were looking for better competition....Rockhurst and certainly not South Panola are/were better games than Southside would hape been....AND the gate would have been better too...
It's just more difficult to explain a loss to Southside than one of those overrated "nationally ranked" teams from neighboring states....not to worry though, Euless Trinity will make you fellas want to reconsider your decision to play the lowly Rebels in the noncon season....
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Just remember....we aren't the ones that said "no"....we ain't duckin' nobody...
And you can't say that is because they were looking for better competition....Rockhurst and certainly not South Panola are/were better games than Southside would hape been....AND the gate would have been better too...
It's just more difficult to explain a loss to Southside than one of those overrated "nationally ranked" teams from neighboring states....not to worry though, Euless Trinity will make you fellas want to reconsider your decision to play the lowly Rebels in the noncon season....
Bait, the we ain't duckin anybody statement isn't exactly true...you guys dropped Greenwood off your schedule and that was SS's biggest gate of the year with maybe the exception of NS...
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on March 13, 2013, 03:51:44 pm
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Just remember....we aren't the ones that said "no"....we ain't duckin' nobody...
And you can't say that is because they were looking for better competition....Rockhurst and certainly not South Panola are/were better games than Southside would hape been....AND the gate would have been better too...
It's just more difficult to explain a loss to Southside than one of those overrated "nationally ranked" teams from neighboring states....not to worry though, Euless Trinity will make you fellas want to reconsider your decision to play the lowly Rebels in the noncon season....
Bait, the we ain't duckin anybody statement isn't exactly true...you guys dropped Greenwood off your schedule and that was SS's biggest gate of the year with maybe the exception of NS...
Shhh, now Vinny, Bait's talking about Bennie's ducking, nothing,else........
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Just remember....we aren't the ones that said "no"....we ain't duckin' nobody...
And you can't say that is because they were looking for better competition....Rockhurst and certainly not South Panola are/were better games than Southside would hape been....AND the gate would have been better too...
It's just more difficult to explain a loss to Southside than one of those overrated "nationally ranked" teams from neighboring states....not to worry though, Euless Trinity will make you fellas want to reconsider your decision to play the lowly Rebels in the noncon season....
You weren't ducking, Okay.. so you want to dance with us and we said NO because you're too ugly, we got better lookin girls lined up! Sorry... SS the new ugly duckling... used to be pretty..... now ...Not so much.. ;)
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on March 13, 2013, 03:51:44 pm
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Just remember....we aren't the ones that said "no"....we ain't duckin' nobody...
And you can't say that is because they were looking for better competition....Rockhurst and certainly not South Panola are/were better games than Southside would hape been....AND the gate would have been better too...
It's just more difficult to explain a loss to Southside than one of those overrated "nationally ranked" teams from neighboring states....not to worry though, Euless Trinity will make you fellas want to reconsider your decision to play the lowly Rebels in the noncon season....
Bait, the we ain't duckin anybody statement isn't exactly true...you guys dropped Greenwood off your schedule and that was SS's biggest gate of the year with maybe the exception of NS...
That's because they are Chicken, got whooped and now have run away!
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 11:34:12 am
Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Glad to see you back o62
Long Distance, seems a little strange! ;)
Who is Bennie scheduled to play OOC this year, so Far I hear Rockhurst and Trinity? Do we play Panola away?
Rockhurst, Broken Arrow, then Trinity. wheee
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 13, 2013, 11:32:32 am
Enough to make the decision maker blink....
Ha, I doubt that.
Glad to see you back o62
Long Distance, seems a little strange! ;)
Who is Bennie scheduled to play OOC this year, so Far I hear Rockhurst and Trinity? Do we play Panola away?
Rockhurst, Broken Arrow, then Trinity. wheee
Wow, I will be at the game against the Rock, with my TIGER gear on... ;D
We need to ask Bait who the late great Rebs have scheduled this year since apparently everyone they think in their own mind worthy of playing them has laughed in their face and said NO THANKS we got bigger fish to fry.
They gotta go to El Dorado week 2.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 06:48:25 pm
We need to ask Bait who the late great Rebs have scheduled this year since apparently everyone they think in their own mind worthy of playing them has laughed in their face and said NO THANKS we got bigger fish to fry.
Don't they have the same schedule as last year? Heritage, Eldo, HarBer
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 13, 2013, 06:48:25 pm
We need to ask Bait who the late great Rebs have scheduled this year since apparently everyone they think in their own mind worthy of playing them has laughed in their face and said NO THANKS we got bigger fish to fry.
Don't they have the same schedule as last year? Heritage, Eldo, HarBer
99% of the teams set schedules on two year cycles, I guess Bennie was holding out in case the split and needed to play themselves.
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Quote from: Baitshop on March 07, 2013, 12:09:09 am
Well....they thumped the dramatically overrated team from Knockwurst Misery and the frauds from South Panola.....it's time to move into the REAL big boy league and Euless Trinity certainly fits the bill....
Wasn't South Panola, MS state champs?
Which says more about the overall quality of high school football in Mississippi than high school football in Arkansas....
As I have noted several times....I've watched SP play twice in last 4 years.....they would finish no better than 3rd in the West most years....
"Mississloppy", to coin your phrase, baitshop. :D
Funny, but SP's safety this past year was ranked by some second in the nation to the California Gatorade POY and
USA Today DPOY. SP's guy was a Parade all-American this year (which someone from Fayetteville should have been). (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1474835-sua-cravens-vs-antonio-conner-which-5-star-safety-is-better)
I'm staying away from this except to say: A) it's high time for Bennie, pre-split, to play teams like this from Texas win or lose, and B) wish they'd played them in '12 or '11...the main skill guys Bennie will have back in '13 will be Dez Smith's lil' brother and Hekili Keliiliki, the running backs.
Businesstron, wherefore art thou?
I am confident Bennie will be competitive with most any team in the country as long as they stay as one school. They are the only team I know who can graduate 15+ starters and come back the next year with a stronger team. Once the split occurs and and it will in my opinion I just wonder how the transition will take place between the two schools. On a different note why do the split schools have to split athletics?
7AFBFAN, it's funny. My pledge dad in college was a graduate of George Morton West High School in Berwyn, IL which borders Chicago. His old school combines teams with Morton East of Cicero and compete as one school representing 8,000 kids - insane. (http://www.ihsa.org/data/school/schools/0216.htm) In their case, I'm not sure the combination has helped them to win any more championships.
Back to BHS/THS...Henry Apple confirms it...looks like the schedule's set. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2013/mar/10/bentonville-adds-euless-trinity-schedule/?sports-prep-baseball) Bennie goes to Rockhurst, then hosts Broken Arrow (which will have at least two senior players (QB and RB) heavily recruited by OU) followed by Trinity.
That's an awful lot of trouble to go to just to get beaten by Fayetteville at season's end. ;)
Quote from: OPoraquê on March 15, 2013, 05:08:13 pm
7AFBFAN, it's funny. My pledge dad in college was a graduate of George Morton West High School in Berwyn, IL which borders Chicago. His old school combines teams with Morton East of Cicero and compete as one school representing 8,000 kids - insane. (http://www.ihsa.org/data/school/schools/0216.htm) In their case, I'm not sure the combination has helped them to win any more championships.
Back to BHS/THS...Henry Apple confirms it...looks like the schedule's set. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2013/mar/10/bentonville-adds-euless-trinity-schedule/?sports-prep-baseball) Bennie goes to Rockhurst, then hosts Broken Arrow (which will have at least two senior players (QB and RB) heavily recruited by OU) followed by Trinity.
That's an awful lot of trouble to go to just to get beaten by Fayetteville at season's end. ;)
Eueless will score a hundred on bville...and i hope they do!
Ridiculous to have that many students and not win a state championship
Every year!
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Quote from: OPoraquê on March 15, 2013, 05:08:13 pm
7AFBFAN, it's funny. My pledge dad in college was a graduate of George Morton West High School in Berwyn, IL which borders Chicago. His old school combines teams with Morton East of Cicero and compete as one school representing 8,000 kids - insane. (http://www.ihsa.org/data/school/schools/0216.htm) In their case, I'm not sure the combination has helped them to win any more championships.
Back to BHS/THS...Henry Apple confirms it...looks like the schedule's set. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2013/mar/10/bentonville-adds-euless-trinity-schedule/?sports-prep-baseball) Bennie goes to Rockhurst, then hosts Broken Arrow (which will have at least two senior players (QB and RB) heavily recruited by OU) followed by Trinity.
That's an awful lot of trouble to go to just to get beaten by Fayetteville at season's end. ;)
Eueless will score a hundred on bville...and i hope they do!
Ridiculous to have that many students and not win a state championship
Every year!
1. View from the "Smoakhouse" Texas high school forums on this game, so far, which confirms... (http://www.smoaky.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=135426)
2.
waaaaaay cool! We get to see the HAKA at Tiger Stadium in September 2013! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8VUbjcj7pM) (Though I'd honestly like to hear it in English. (Baitshop says: "What's the big deal? These are our standard morning employee warm-ups at Benson's.") ;) )
The Haka is just a gag that the Tongan's from Euless Trinity have been pulling on the "non-islanders" for years....
It is actually the Tongan version of this song....with much bigger and scarier guys... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5d9fP6ASGo
The bad news for Bennie is that they usually are able to back up the talk....
Baitshop, I figured that from the New Zealanders who responded to that YouTube video saying: "Write your OWN lyrics if you're going to copy us."
Which week will this game be played in..??
Quote from: Baitshop on March 16, 2013, 12:46:34 pm
Which week will this game be played in..??
Third week, baitshop. They took the spot where South Panola was last year on the BHS schedule (didn't even see this until yesterday).
Barry Lunney, Sr.'s upcoming theme: "I'm being pounded into Texas sand...but my head's in 'Missis-SLOPpy..." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BwKGFb0PgI)
Crap....we have HarBer at home that week....if it were week 2, I would have come up, ate at one of the Earl's conglomerate of eating establishments, and caught this game....CRAP!!
Understood, I may not get to see it as well. BTW, just joking on Lunney, Sr. Don't know that BHS will win but I'm the one who'd been saying the past three seasons that it would be good to see Bennie play a Texas team like a Euless Trinity. And as someone said earlier on this thread BLSr won't schedule a game if he doesn't think he has a chance to win it.
He's worked to schedule the best teams in mid-America these past four years including 2013...hat's off to him. (And to Fayetteville for being the only team to beat him prior to this year's season (which may be the BHS season some of us were expecting last year...hope not).)
Quote from: Baitshop on March 16, 2013, 12:56:18 pm
Crap....we have HarBer at home that week....if it were week 2, I would have come up, ate at one of the Earl's conglomerate of eating establishments, and caught this game....CRAP!!
So you guys have Eldo and Harber, who do you open up with?
Heritage....yep, it's a murderer's row....
What can't you people used dates? What is the date of week #3? I'm looking my work schedule up on this one.
Oddly enough, the season is pushed back a week next season.
Week 3 will be Sept. 20. Keep in mind as well that it will also be the week of Bikes, Blues and BBQ in Northwest Arkansas. The game makes a crazy week even crazier.
Bentonville will be unmercifully embarrassed.
Quote from: RD on March 17, 2013, 03:01:35 pm
Bentonville will be unmercifully embarrassed.
I'm sure that would make everyone happy on here considering only 1 team from the state of Arkansas has beaten Bennie the last 3 years.
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
Just curious how many of the other so called "great" Arkansas teams are trying to schedule Bennie? I know the answer.
Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
What does Bennie have coming back?
Quote from: RD on March 17, 2013, 03:01:35 pm
Bentonville will be unmercifully embarrassed.
In 2010 and 2011 (offensively better teams than 2012, but not trying to take away from the latter) Lunney, Sr./Bennie were locked into two year contracts with NLR, Fort Zumwalt West and Texas High for the non-conference schedule. However, if in 2010 Lunney would have said, "I want to schedule the #1 and #2 high school football teams in the nation for BHS" he would have delivered on his word, just 2-3 years later. Trinity started #1 in
USA Today rankings and finished described by Rivals as the "best 1-loss team in the nation" (upset in the Texas 5A Championship game by 4 points). South Panola started #4 in
USA Today and ended up #1 both there and on Rivals. ETHS and SPHS combined for a 30-1 record in 2010.
Someone on the Texas forums said ETHS will be #2 in Texas (unsure of that, but maybe). SPHS finished undefeated and state champs after coming to Bentonville. BTW, Tulsa Union went down to D/FW (Cowboy Stadium?) and lost by 3-4 points to Trinity after being beaten in scrimmage by Bentonville, by 2 (which made Rivals put Bentonville in their top 100 from season's beginning). Maybe it won't be embarrassing, though maybe it won't be a win for Bennie, either. FWIW, BHS will have about 800 more students than Trinity next September, amazingly.
Quote from: ricepig on March 06, 2013, 04:22:06 pm
I wonder if Shilow will give them any tape?
Depends on if Benny wants to know how to take an unmerciful beatdown.
Then again, Shylow is used to it these days.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 17, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 17, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
Bennie could beat Trinity. They could go 3-0 in noncon. Then go undefeated all the way back to Little Rock. But will they slip and fall again? You can play and beat any team in the nation for 3 weeks then beat any team in the state during the season. But if you don't win your state title because of all it, was it worth it?? I may be speaking way out on a limb here, but is Bennie on the track of becoming more interested in proving a nationally ranked status than becoming 7A champions?? Lets say Bennie goes 1-2 or even 2-1 during noncon. This I'm sure will fuel them even more next year. And what if they win 2 or maybe all 3 games next year?? Itll continue to progress. Eventually, signing top teams and worrying about national rankings will become the number 1 priority.
Bennie, and the rest of the 7A for that matter, can dog teams like Greenwood for not playing quality teams all 3 weeks of noncon and that we "run away" from them when if they call. But whether or not you play a top team or a crappy cupcake, noncon games don't matter when deciding playoff seeds or champions. Last year, Bennie played better quality teams for noncon than Greenwood. Yes its a fact. But another fact for you, Greenwood was able to go all the way. Bennie wasn't. So maybe scheduling teams who are bigger and better than you doesn't always work out does it? Maybe scheduling teams who are pretty close evenly matched so you can have room for your offense to move the ball and not have your defense get run all over is the better way to go.
And to AirWarren, don't go and say that. Whether or not Bennie goes 3-0 or 0-3 doesn't change the fact that the 7A isn't as almighty as they think they are and are closer to being a watered down class than being a dominate godly class.
Why would Bennie call Greenwood? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard on here.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 18, 2013, 12:30:37 pm
Why would Bennie call Greenwood? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard on here.
To play a baseball or basketball game?
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Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
I know of a team back in '05 that won them all. ;D
You mean to tell me out of all the absurd things you 7A fans have said and all the crap and bogus statements posted on here, the dumbest you have ever read is Bentonville calling Greenwood for a noncon game?? I don't buy it. Bentonville just doesn't want to deal with the consequences if Greenwood were to beat them.
I think Bennie and Greenwood are closer matched than many people (mostly 7A people) think. I think it would make a great postseason exhibition game.
Remember the last time Greenwood played a 7A noncon game?? First game of the year, we were seeing who fits where best. Contrary to what most people say and believe, Coach Jones don't care about winnin non con games as much as he cares about finding the right combination to win when it counts. Both Harber games, Greenwood couldn't do squat. Couldn't make stops. Couldn't move the ball. We weren't on the field long enough to see who fits where on offense better and our defense kept getting stomped on and we couldn't find anything there. So instead of playing awesome elite teams and seeing how you match up and if you can win, Jones decides to play teams who are closer matched and sees different things.
The system and the way that Jones does his football coaching, yes may not be the most elaborate or may not get him in Sports Illustrated or never make Greenwood a nationally ranked team, but obviously it works. 6 championships in 9 years with 2 undefeated years speaks for itself. Say what you want. Believe what you want. If you wanna believe you are far superior to Greenwood because you play national elite teams and we don't, then go ahead. Come December when Greenwood is playing for and has a great great chance of their historic 4peat and when Fayetteville beats you again at The Rock, its all good in northern Arkansas because Bentonville played 3 elite teams! So it makes them head and shoulders better than the rest of the state.
Plus I mean, come on, youre 7A. So that right there makes all the difference right??
Get over yourself. You are using one year to make assumptions that may end up making you look foolish. Last year GW proved they can play with 7A teams who fielded mediocre to very bad teams while GW fielded one of their best teams ever. Next year we will see the caliber of teams the 7A opponents of GW fields and also see the caliber of team they field. Until then you have the right to beat your chest I suppose but downing Bennie in the process probably isn't necessary.
I hope Bennie beats ET...I will pull for any Arkansas team playing an out of state team with the exception of a Private school...
As a matter of fact I think I can make this game in week #3...
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 18, 2013, 01:42:37 pm
Get over yourself. 1You are using one year to make assumptions that may end up making you look foolish. 2 Last year GW proved they can play with 7A teams who fielded mediocre to very bad teams while GW fielded one of their best teams ever.3 Next year we will see the caliber of teams the 7A opponents of GW fields and also see the caliber of team they field.4 Until then you have the right to beat your chest I suppose but downing Bennie in the process probably isn't necessary.
1 What else am I gonna use? Greenwood and Bentonville have never played, so I can't compare anything to that. I doubt I am looking foolish by saying theres a chance Greenwood could beat Bentonville. Not a beatdown or mercy rule, but a win nonetheless. Same if Bentonville beats Greenwood.
2 Northside- yes a very bad team last year. LR Catholic- yes a mediocre average team. But SS and Conway were by no means mediocre to very bad. You guys can't get on here and claim Greenwood can't beat 2 teams then when we mudstomp them, turn around and say they were average teams.
3 Yes next year we will see. I don't know what Conway and SS are losing or gaining. I know Greenwood loses the corp of our receivers. Thats basically it. Plus both games are on the road, which will make a huge difference. As far as the regular season goes, these 2 teams have the best chance at ending the streak.
4 I am not downing Bentonville. I respect them. I respect the team. Great coach and great program. I'm downing the attitude. The 7A top dogs down Greenwood all the time and no one says anything. We could go 14-0 again this year and still be the 17th best in the state according to 7A. Fay and Bennie find it hilarious to schedule Greenwood as a non con game but at the same time hound us if we don't call to schedule one.
And yes Greenwood fielded one of their, if not the best, teams ever. But guys its just getting started. I'm not saying we will be perfect all the time. We'll have down years and road blocks. But these 2013 seniors were in middle school when Coach Jones got here and started his way of football. These kids who play football in Greenwood are grown up in Jones Football. We will field a great champion quality team 99.999% of the years that Jones is here.
I'm sure the entire state will be behind Bentonville when they play Trinity. Someone needs to step up and fix what Shiloh did a few years back. Bentonville has what it takes to beat them.
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Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
I know of a team back in '05 that won them all. ;D
as Bennie did in '10 that's the last one in the now 7A
Quote from: The Future on March 18, 2013, 11:43:03 am
Bennie could beat Trinity. They could go 3-0 in noncon. Then go undefeated all the way back to Little Rock. But will they slip and fall again? You can play and beat any team in the nation for 3 weeks then beat any team in the state during the season. But if you don't win your state title because of all it, was it worth it?? I may be speaking way out on a limb here, but is Bennie on the track of becoming more interested in proving a nationally ranked status than becoming 7A champions?? Lets say Bennie goes 1-2 or even 2-1 during noncon. This I'm sure will fuel them even more next year. And what if they win 2 or maybe all 3 games next year?? Itll continue to progress. Eventually, signing top teams and worrying about national rankings will become the number 1 priority.
Bennie, and the rest of the 7A for that matter, can dog teams like Greenwood for not playing quality teams all 3 weeks of noncon and that we "run away" from them when if they call. But whether or not you play a top team or a crappy cupcake, noncon games don't matter when deciding playoff seeds or champions. Last year, Bennie played better quality teams for noncon than Greenwood. Yes its a fact. But another fact for you, Greenwood was able to go all the way. Bennie wasn't. So maybe scheduling teams who are bigger and better than you doesn't always work out does it? Maybe scheduling teams who are pretty close evenly matched so you can have room for your offense to move the ball and not have your defense get run all over is the better way to go.
And to AirWarren, don't go and say that. Whether or not Bennie goes 3-0 or 0-3 doesn't change the fact that the 7A isn't as almighty as they think they are and are closer to being a watered down class than being a dominate godly class.
Spoken just like the short tough guy on the playground in 5th grade to the 6th graders that aren't there to pound him into the ground! ;D
Quote from: olddog79 on March 18, 2013, 01:28:38 pm
I know of a team back in '05 that won them all. ;D
Coming up on ten years ago Old Dog. Don't you think it's time for some new material?
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on March 18, 2013, 01:48:49 pm
I hope Bennie beats ET...I will pull for any Arkansas team playing an out of state team with the exception of a Private school...
As a matter of fact I think I can make this game in week #3...
Come on and visit ole Earl!
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Quote from: olddog79 on March 18, 2013, 01:28:38 pm
I know of a team back in '05 that won them all. ;D
Coming up on ten years ago Old Dog. Don't you think it's time for some new material?
Give me a break...it's all I got.
The Future, your experience of grading 7A teams is very limited. Catholic fielded their worst team since 7A inception last year by far. Northside fielded their worst team since 7A inception by far. SS and Conway were mediocre in my opinion compared to the normal team they field. Both teams had their moments but they had glaring weaknesses. GW has a top program no doubt and will compete well each year from what I saw last year. I know Drew Morgan shocked me this year and I expect Jones to find another young man to take on his role and if the 7A or any class fields a mediocre team their glaring weaknesses will be exploited. Not that you guys will give any credit but I think you will see better quality teams fielded by SS and NS next year. Can't speak for the others.
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Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
You do realize how stupid that sounds considering the results of the past two Championship games....
But....since you are throwing soft toss....
-They've never won a Championship without beating Bentonville...
-They've never lost a Championship game....
-They've never choked an undefeated seasons (or two) away in a Championship....
-They've never lost a Championship while rated #1....
You catchin' my drift..??..??
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Quote from: AirWarren on March 18, 2013, 10:28:03 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 17, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
You do realize how stupid that sounds considering the results of the past two Championship games....
But....since you are throwing soft toss....
-They've never won a Championship without beating Bentonville...
-They've never lost a Championship game....
-They've never choked an undefeated seasons (or two) away in a Championship....
-They've never lost a Championship while rated #1....
You catchin' my drift..??..??
No
It's too bad Bennie didn't schedule Southside this year to open the season, it has been proven to be an easy win for the Tigers. Got a feeling the Tigers will get spanked before conference starts and maybe that is Barry's plan to get that Undefeated Monkey off our back going into the championship game this year.. 3 years in a row the Tigers have entered the championship game undefeated because Arkansas teams have laid down in fear of the Tigers. Rebs...HA Nevermind, might as well play Rogers to start the season if we want an easy win ....about the same...
Surely the Rebs provide better competition than Rogers.
In restaurants? maybe....... ;) Greenwood would be a much better opponent.
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In restaurants? maybe....... ;) Greenwood would be a much better opponent.
Give 'em a call....we did, and they "couldn't fit us in"....
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Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on March 18, 2013, 01:48:49 pm
I hope Bennie beats ET...I will pull for any Arkansas team playing an out of state team with the exception of a Private school...
As a matter of fact I think I can make this game in week #3...
Come on and visit ole Earl!
I am planning on it Earl. Mansfield is at Mena week #3 and I would love to see BHS's stadium...
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 18, 2013, 04:34:32 pm
The Future, your experience of grading 7A teams is very limited. Catholic fielded their worst team since 7A inception last year by far. Northside fielded their worst team since 7A inception by far. SS and Conway were mediocre in my opinion compared to the normal team they field. Both teams had their moments but they had glaring weaknesses. GW has a top program no doubt and will compete well each year from what I saw last year. I know Drew Morgan shocked me this year and I expect Jones to find another young man to take on his role and if the 7A or any class fields a mediocre team their glaring weaknesses will be exploited. Not that you guys will give any credit but I think you will see better quality teams fielded by SS and NS next year. Can't speak for the others.
I will agree with what you said about Catholic and Northside, but everyone was touting SS and Conway as the teams to beat in the Central...
Outside of Fayetteville, bentonville, and an occassional NLR team the 7a is horrid Venny!
And you should make a trip to to bentonville to see the stadium. It's really nice.
Quote from: AirWarren on March 19, 2013, 10:37:44 am
Outside of Fayetteville, bentonville, and an occassional NLR team the 7a is horrid Venny!
And you should make a trip to to bentonville to see the stadium. It's really nice.
Well, I haven't watched Bennie, Fayetteville or NLR...it is obvious they are head and shoulders above the rest...but I did watch SS and Conway and they were loaded with talent but they leave alot to be desired in the coaching area. I think if you put a real good coach at either one of those schools they will do well. Northside will be proof of that the next couple of years I believe...
Could very well be coaching. I've had the opportunity to see Bennie play as well as Northside. IF Northside can get their roster up to par to the other 7a schools, the coach does well, and the kids respond they can be dangerous. I saw alot of potential talent, size, and speed out there with poor drive and terrible play calling.
I myself have seen what 7a then 5a depth can do to a 3a team with a smaller roster. Warren was up 14-7 at half on Springdale in 2002. At that time the largest school in the state. Our 45 guys to their 90 something took a toll on us in the second half!
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Quote from: AirWarren on March 19, 2013, 10:37:44 am
Outside of Fayetteville, bentonville, and an occassional NLR team the 7a is horrid Venny!
And you should make a trip to to bentonville to see the stadium. It's really nice.
Well, I haven't watched Bennie, Fayetteville or NLR...it is obvious they are head and shoulders above the rest...but I did watch SS and Conway and they were loaded with talent but they leave alot to be desired in the coaching area. I think if you put a real good coach at either one of those schools they will do well. Northside will be proof of that the next couple of years I believe...
Or in some cases "loaded with talent" but no particular desire to be coached.
Diehard, your boys definitely proved too much last year. Not sure I would shout too loud though about that being the case every year. I have seen enough football to know things can change for a team quickly in one direction or another.
Venny you are right they were touted by a few but so was Arkansas in football and baseball. Hype means squat when it comes to keeping score on the field.
AirWarren, I am the first to credit your beloved Warren team when they do something good. Why do you feel it necessary to ALWAYS discredit the 7A? I think teams likes Southside have proved over the years they can field a good team on occasion just like your Warren team does on occasion.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 17, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on March 17, 2013, 05:42:59 pm
Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
I know of a team back in '05 that won them all. ;D
I know one in '10 that did, too. 8)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 19, 2013, 12:21:32 pm
Diehard, your boys definitely proved too much last year. Not sure I would shout too loud though about that being the case every year. I have seen enough football to know things can change for a team quickly in one direction or another.
Venny you are right they were touted by a few but so was Arkansas in football and baseball. Hype means squat when it comes to keeping score on the field.
AirWarren, I am the first to credit your beloved Warren team when they do something good. Why do you feel it necessary to ALWAYS discredit the 7A? I think teams likes Southside have proved over the years they can field a good team on occasion just like your Warren team does on occasion.
Please don't think I'm discrediting. There has been some fantastic big class schools in the past. Bennie and fayetteville. LR central in the mid 2000s, SS dynasty, Springdale before the split,Conway with hillis and brad boldin with NLR.
My point was AR is a small state with a small population. Its an anomoly to have schools the size of central and NWA schools. Its bigger rosters in a small pool so if only two or three teams are dominant its much easier to advance to WMS. Arkansas is a predominant 3-5a school base with a lot of teams to beat. Our playoffs bracket consisted of PG, Malvern, Warren, Nashville, and State champ Stuttgart. Plus some other good teams. All 5 of those teams were favored to win. Plus the other side that was tough.
That is without saying the 7a sucks. Ive seen some dang good football in that league with great facilities, fan base, and great football players. Great coaches with teachable pupils. And that's great!
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 19, 2013, 12:21:32 pm
Diehard, your boys definitely proved too much last year. Not sure I would shout too loud though about that being the case every year. I have seen enough football to know things can change for a team quickly in one direction or another.
Venny you are right they were touted by a few but so was Arkansas in football and baseball. Hype means squat when it comes to keeping score on the field.
AirWarren, I am the first to credit your beloved Warren team when they do something good. Why do you feel it necessary to ALWAYS discredit the 7A? I think teams likes Southside have proved over the years they can field a good team on occasion just like your Warren team does on occasion.
Please don't think I'm discrediting. There has been some fantastic big class schools in the past. Bennie and fayetteville. LR central in the mid 2000s, SS dynasty, Springdale before the split,Conway with hillis and brad boldin with NLR.
My point was AR is a small state with a small population. Its an anomoly to have schools the size of central and NWA schools. Its bigger rosters in a small pool so if only two or three teams are dominant its much easier to advance to WMS. Arkansas is a predominant 3-5a school base with a lot of teams to beat. Our playoffs bracket consisted of PG, Malvern, Warren, Nashville, and State champ Stuttgart. Plus some other good teams. All 5 of those teams were favored to win. Plus the other side that was tough.
That is without saying the 7a sucks. Ive seen some dang good football in that league with great facilities, fan base, and great football players. Great coaches with teachable pupils. And that's great!
some how I feel like it may be my fault for your attitude about the 7A.. ;) Those were the days... :)
AirWarren, I think I understand but I don't see any more parity in 3A or 4A than I do in 7A. The top 4A teams will completely dismantle the bottom 4A teams from start to finish.
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Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 18, 2013, 09:45:50 pm
In restaurants? maybe....... ;) Greenwood would be a much better opponent.
Give 'em a call....we did, and they "couldn't fit us in"....
Hahahaha! Thanks Guys for making me laugh today! :)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on March 19, 2013, 04:51:39 pm
AirWarren, I think I understand but I don't see any more parity in 3A or 4A than I do in 7A. The top 4A teams will completely dismantle the bottom 4A teams from start to finish.
Very true. That's why message boards are fun. Always an opinion and debate!
Billy ha! Always flattering yourself!
I'm from Euless. A Trinity Grad and season ticket holder.
Trinity is not on the same level as they were from 2004-2010. That being said, they are still better than 95+% of the 5A teams in Texas. Texas is very deep in quality teams. That is one of the things that sets Texas apart. Trinity is one of them. In 2010 Pearland was supposed to be beaten solidly by Trinity, but won by four points. A few plays here and there made the difference. That kind of thing does happen in Texas. In most states only one or two teams have a legit chance of winning the title. In Texas, though there are favorites, any number of teams can rise up and take the crown.
Trinity will be a bit of a mystery next season, having graduated a large number of key players. I have no doubt Trinity will field a solid team worthy of continuing their recent success. A championship? Time will tell. I wouldn't favor them. I'm reserving judgement. I'll try to make a few Spring practices, then scrimmages. Someone said they heard on another board, Trinity should be ranked #2 in Texas to start. I highly doubt that. Top Ten, yes. #2, no way. I can think of at least three teams off the top of my head that will surely be ranked higher. Probably more.
What will happen against Bentonville? I'm biased of course. I think Trinity will win. I am not into predicting scores. I seriously doubt it will be 80-something. The little Saints were outmatched in every possible way. They were playing in the greatest football stadium in the world, which is basically a second home for Trinity. They had a few big guys. But only a few who were going up against our massive lines. Most of their players were playing both ways. Trinity meanwhile, substituted liberally. That is common, not just for that game. Trinity is deep with size, speed and talent, so we rotate players. It is a tactical advantage we take full advantage of. There was no way Shiloh was ever gonna win or even stay competitive. The main reason they got destroyed by such a big margin, is their style of play. That team played no defense to speak of. It appeared their defensive strategy was to get off the field ASAP, so they could get their offense back on the field as quickly as possible. We obliged. That led to several two or three play scoring "drives". Otherwise it was five or six plays. Their offense was no huddle, spread, speed. They took as little time between plays as possible. That killed them against Trinity. Trinity outmanned them athletically, by a lot. The fact that they played so up tempo, meant they ran very little time off the clock between plays. In combination, with the quick scoring strikes by Trinity, it's no wonder it was 24-14 after 1Q, and 53-20 at the half. I think sometime around mid 3Q they finally wised up and started running more time off the clock.
I will say, Kiehl Frazier was one heck of a HS QB. If it wasn't for him, Shiloh wouldn't have scored at all. Dude was a stud. He made some incredible plays. Ran for his life most plays. Did get sacked several times, but kept plays alive to extend drives on multiple occasions as well. I still say he is by far the best QB Trinity played against that season.
Anyway, Bentonville will be much more suited to play against Trinity. I'm guessing they don't play a high speed spread passing game, so there is no way Trinity will score 80, or even close. Shoot, I bet Bentonville can actually play a little defense (or will at least make a legit effort, unlike Shiloh). I'm guessing Trinity wins by more than two TD's. Beyond that, I'll have to learn a lot more about the opponent. I'm not sure why some of you feel this should be a payback opportunity for AR HS football for the 2010 ET-SC game. The fact is, there is a handful of TX vs. AR games each season. Last season the series was 2-2. Besides, from what I remember, most people in AR "hate" Shiloh and were happy to see them lose, though they were shocked at the huge margin. Anyway, nothing personal on this end.
QuoteTrinity is not on the same level as they were from 2004-2010. That being said, they are still better than 95+% of the 5A teams in Texas.
Texas, (love that nickname, not saying that sarcastically)
No one from Bentonville is thinking this will be payback for Shiloh. Shiloh's seniors next school year were freshman in the ETHS/SCHS game of '10. No wise person from Bentonville is penciling this as a "W", either. There were, however, some of us who after watching BHS beat last season teams that were at one point #1 in Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi and Arkansas (with the latter beating us at season's end, just like the year before) (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/bentonville-tigers-%28bentonville,ar%29/football-fall-12/schedule.htm) thought that it's time for BHS to play a very good Texas team. (We played a 7-4 Texas team with a Division I running/url] back and o-lineman in 2010 and dominated them, but Texarkana Texas High is to Euless Trinity as a Hostess Twinkie (takes my hat off in silence) is to a three-tiered wedding cake.)
It's the "pick on play someone your own size" principle, and we'll get to see it this September. As said earlier, my aforementioned hat is off to the Bentonville Coach for scheduling both South Panola (MS) and you guys...SPHS finished #1 in the USA Today and Rivals polls where you guys started (and nearly finished). He's really trying to get the best on the BHS schedule, and to do that he just needs to look south and southwest of the Red River.
Hope it's a great game for both teams. BHS has some intriguing players coming back (a genuine DI TE, perhaps the state's best, plus two junior-to-be running back who combined for 11 TDs as sophs, which is significant for BHS), but they took some BIG losses to, especially at RB and on defense.
I agree. To grow, you must seek out better and better competition. There are very few instances where a truly good team would actually be "hurt" by playing and team equal to or better than they are. For us there is certainly plenty of quality competition to chose from in Texas. The problem we have had, is that apparently not a whole lot of Texas teams are interested in playing us in pre-district. Trinity is not alone in this. That's why Texas teams seek OOS games or even Mexican teams. ::) For whatever reason, I think Coach Lineweaver feels that perhaps it will instill a sense of pride in his boys, to defend the honor of our state. ??? I could have that completely wrong though.
Then, welcome, Texas!
FYI, we sort of had a common opponent last year - Union High out of Tulsa, OK. You beat them by 3(?) points in D/FW (that was a Texas sweep over Oklahoma, as DeSoto smashed Jenks from that area that same day). We beat them by 3 at their place, but that was in the big preseason scrimmage that BHS has participated in the past four years. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2012/aug/24/last-second-field-goal-lifts-bentonville-over-unio/) I know we had some backups in (our two TDs were scored by one of the aforementioned RBs - hope he's healthy this season) as surely they did, also. I know, though, that their coach likely wanted to win the game with us as much as he did the one vs. you. Our score vs. them was something like 14-12 for a full half of play.
Wishing you a blessed spring/summer, and hope you have a great trip (except, of course, with the final score, same as you'd wish for me) to Bentonville should you make it. This metro area isn't D/FW...more like the northern D/FW suburbs (or more appropriately, the northern Atlanta suburbs given our terrain up here) if God had reached down, uprooted them then cleanly deposited them and their inhabitants (without a downtown and the three quarters of suburbs to the west, east and south) on the mid-Boston Mountains. There are a lot of places to stay and eat up here.
Thanks OP. I have been to NW AK several times. In fact I spent some time there this past summer. Specifically Springdale. I hope I get to go. We'll see if my work schedule allows. I'll make every effort to be there.
Quote from: Texas on March 20, 2013, 04:10:41 pm
Thanks OP. I have been to NW AK several times. In fact I spent some time there this past summer. Specifically Springdale. I hope I get to go. We'll see if my work schedule allows. I'll make every effort to be there.
Now that's a football town! ;D I hope you enjoyed your stay.
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Quote from: Texas on March 20, 2013, 04:10:41 pm
Thanks OP. I have been to NW AK several times. In fact I spent some time there this past summer. Specifically Springdale. I hope I get to go. We'll see if my work schedule allows. I'll make every effort to be there.
Now that's a football town! ;D I hope you enjoyed your stay.
Springhell used to be football town! ;)
Quote from: olddog79 on March 20, 2013, 05:09:43 pm
Quote from: Texas on March 20, 2013, 04:10:41 pm
Thanks OP. I have been to NW AK several times. In fact I spent some time there this past summer. Specifically Springdale. I hope I get to go. We'll see if my work schedule allows. I'll make every effort to be there.
Now that's a football town! ;D I hope you enjoyed your stay.
Didn't you mean futbol??
Where's the "finger" icon when you need it? The others just don't express my feelings... ;)
So I hear the Bentonville stadium holds 6,000 or 7,000 depending on the source. That should be enough seating for our fans after a 6 hour road trip. 8) But, where are the home fans gonna sit? ;D
Just dropping in, hope no one minds. Our boys are really excited about making the trip to Bentonville for this game. BHS is a great program, and hopefully our Trojans can give the Tigers a competitive game. Lots of unknowns in Trojan Nation next year, so we will have to see how this all shakes out.
Anyways, hope yall don't mind me coming on the board. We have a forum similar to this at 5atexasfootball.com. Look forward to some friendly banter!
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 20, 2013, 07:01:18 pm
Just dropping in, hope no one minds. Our boys are really excited about making the trip to Bentonville for this game. BHS is a great program, and hopefully our Trojans can give the Tigers a competitive game. Lots of unknowns in Trojan Nation next year, so we will have to see how this all shakes out.
Anyways, hope yall don't mind me coming on the board. We have a forum similar to this at 5atexasfootball.com. Look forward to some friendly banter!
Welcome.. The board will heat up the closer we get to playing.. Have a good time on here, it's a good board.
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Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 20, 2013, 07:01:18 pm
Just dropping in, hope no one minds. Our boys are really excited about making the trip to Bentonville for this game. BHS is a great program, and hopefully our Trojans can give the Tigers a competitive game. Lots of unknowns in Trojan Nation next year, so we will have to see how this all shakes out.
Anyways, hope yall don't mind me coming on the board. We have a forum similar to this at 5atexasfootball.com. Look forward to some friendly banter!
Welcome.. The board will heat up the closer we get to playing.. Have a good time on here, it's a good board.
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
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Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
^^^^SHAMELESS PLUG^^^^
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Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
Dang,,, you starting an empire?
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on March 21, 2013, 10:04:57 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
Where is
Ceneterton?
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 21, 2013, 12:04:58 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on March 21, 2013, 10:04:57 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
Where is Ceneterton?
Just a few kilometers from Benetonville I think,,,,,,
Quote from: mack on March 21, 2013, 12:06:44 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 21, 2013, 12:04:58 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on March 21, 2013, 10:04:57 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 21, 2013, 09:46:22 am
No worries. I am sure once the game gets closer we will have a few questions as well about the area (where to eat, stay, visit, ect.).
One question....every time I post is it going to make me do that three question verification thing? The letters and one plus one equals ?
First part is easy. Eat at Emma Ruth's with two locations to serve you better! In Rainbow Curve in Bentonville, next to Sheraton Four Points and also in Ceneterton
Where is Ceneterton?
Just a few kilometers from Benetonville I think,,,,,,
HA! Exactly..
Any Bennie fans coming to KC for the Rockhurst game? Let me know.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 21, 2013, 03:41:23 pm
Any Bennie fans coming to KC for the Rockhurst game? Let me know.
I will be making the trip
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 21, 2013, 03:41:23 pm
Any Bennie fans coming to KC for the Rockhurst game? Let me know.
Heck,,, if earl is going, I might just make a road trip up there with him. I've got good friends that live up there.
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Sometimes one is all it takes...to be great, you have to win them all.
And who has done that in the 7A Lately? I can name one school. ;)
Fayetteville. The only thing I can say about the 7a is its a watered down conference. Outside of Bentonville and Fayetteville, that is it. Arkansas is too small to truly consider an anomaly school like bentonville to be king. The 7A central sucks. NLR has a glimmer of hope but can't put it together. Then there is the dinosaurs at Cabot, the baseball players at Bryant, and the underachieving Conway. The 7a has the biggest classes but the lowest amount of competition in the state. That's not their fault though. We are a SMALL state outside of NWA and central AR.
This will be a good gauge to see if they can compete with a real big boy TEXAS school. Where they play REAL big boy ball. IF Bentonville beats them, you will never hear me say a down thing about the 7a ever again. Until then, the 7A is the big fish in a little pond here in AR and the 7a is the little fish in the big pond of big time high school football.
Ready for this game!
Fayetteville has never won them ALL. In fact Fayetteville has never won a state championship without losing to Bentonville... Think about it.
You do realize how stupid that sounds considering the results of the past two Championship games....
But....since you are throwing soft toss....
-They've never won a Championship without beating Bentonville...
-They've never lost a Championship game....
-They've never choked an undefeated seasons (or two) away in a Championship....
-They've never lost a Championship while rated #1....
You catchin' my drift..??..??
Thanks Bait for picking up my slack while I was Spring Breaking it in Playa with the Fay. 3+1+others. And yes, the Purpledogs got game down there too. They did well.
Best of Luck to Bentonville , Trinty is a Solid DFW Program.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 21, 2013, 12:04:58 pm
Where is Ceneterton?
Not in Misery, which gives it a much better chance to actually be a nice place...
Quote from: mack on March 22, 2013, 10:31:34 am
Heck,,, if earl is going, I might just make a road trip up there with him. I've got good friends that live up there.
Only if we can have separate rooms.
I still haven't recovered from all that "enthusiastic" spooning from my last road trip with Bait...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on March 23, 2013, 05:33:28 pm
Quote from: mack on March 22, 2013, 10:31:34 am
Heck,,, if earl is going, I might just make a road trip up there with him. I've got good friends that live up there.
Only if we can have separate rooms.
I still haven't recovered from all that "enthusiastic" spooning from my last road trip with Bait...
Is it physically possible to spoon with Bait? I'm good with puzzles
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 23, 2013, 05:39:33 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on March 23, 2013, 05:33:28 pm
Quote from: mack on March 22, 2013, 10:31:34 am
Heck,,, if earl is going, I might just make a road trip up there with him. I've got good friends that live up there.
Only if we can have separate rooms.
I still haven't recovered from all that "enthusiastic" spooning from my last road trip with Bait...
Is it physically possible to spoon with Bait? I'm good with puzzles
I think it would be ladling. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Who is Bentonvilles QB gonna be?
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
If this is BBBBQ weekend you might want to include Easy Rider in that movie list.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Well I live out in East Texas so I see my share of Hillbilly towns....heck some might say I'd fit right in. :D
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 08:42:57 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Well I live out in East Texas so I see my share of Hillbilly towns....heck some might say I'd fit right in. :D
Comparing Texas hillbillies to Arkansas hillbillies is like comparing Arkansas football to Texas football. And since when are there hills in Texas for any billies to be on? Or curves in the road for that matter? Can you please explain to me why Texicans slow down to 15 MPH on a curve that clearly has 45mph posted on it? I know that having to turn your steering wheel is new to you Texicans, but for crying out loud grow a pair. I guess not everything is bigger in Texas. ;)
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 08:42:57 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Well I live out in East Texas so I see my share of Hillbilly towns....heck some might say I'd fit right in. :D
Take it from someone who grew up in E Tex, you ain't seen nothing...
Quote from: phdefense on March 24, 2013, 09:26:24 pm
Comparing Texas hillbillies to Arkansas hillbillies is like comparing Arkansas football to Texas football. And since when are there hills in Texas for any billies to be on? Or curves in the road for that matter? Can you please explain to me why Texicans slow down to 15 MPH on a curve that clearly has 45mph posted on it? I know that having to turn your steering wheel is new to you Texicans, but for crying out loud grow a pair. I guess not everything is bigger in Texas. ;)
Actually there are hills in Texas. Not like in Arkansas of course. Not so much in East Texas. More central Texas along the I-35 corridor between say Waco and San Marcos. Big mountains in far West Texas too.
Also, I've been to many many states. Trust me. There are idiot drivers everywhere. I've never noticed that specific example in Texas or anywhere else.
Maybe he's confusing this slowing down thing, with the Texas driving edicate of moving over on the shoulder of the road, while other pass. When you move over up here, these Arkansans just freeze. They just stay there like they just came down out of the mountain and don't understand, Hey dumb arse I just moved over for you... Anyway I give them the opportunity and if they can't figure it out pretty quick, I get back in the main lane and they can ride my bumper for the next 20 miles. Arkansas drivers don't have any edicate, it's just not taught here.
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Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
If this is BBBBQ weekend you might want to include Easy Rider in that movie list.
But by all means, do not .... and I mean, DO NOT ... include "Wild Hogs" on that movie list.
I will be making the trip to NW Ark. as well. It should be a fun time, unless we aren't competitive at all.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitian, upscale, high falootin', dont get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we'ver very grateful for it. Shoot, we didnt even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitian, upscale, high falootin', dont get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we'ver very grateful for it. Shoot, we didnt even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 25, 2013, 09:05:20 am
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on March 25, 2013, 07:49:44 am
I will be making the trip to NW Ark. as well. It should be a fun time, unless we aren't competitive at all.
Compared to last year's trip this should be like going to your local 7-11.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 25, 2013, 09:05:20 am
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
Like I said it ain't like the rest of Arkansas...
Quote from: DPaul on March 25, 2013, 10:46:49 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on March 25, 2013, 07:49:44 am
I will be making the trip to NW Ark. as well. It should be a fun time, unless we aren't competitive at all.
Compared to last year's trip this should be like going to your local 7-11.
This is true. Although the scenery in Seattle was pretty amazing, especially having never been there before. I am from Mississippi, so been through Arkansas many times, vacationed there as a kid numerous times. Great place. Good people.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on March 25, 2013, 01:55:33 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 25, 2013, 10:46:49 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on March 25, 2013, 07:49:44 am
I will be making the trip to NW Ark. as well. It should be a fun time, unless we aren't competitive at all.
Compared to last year's trip this should be like going to your local 7-11.
This is true. Although the scenery in Seattle was pretty amazing, especially having never been there before. I am from Mississippi, so been through Arkansas many times, vacationed there as a kid numerous times. Great place. Good people.
I don't doubt that. And yes that scenery was amazing through Oregon and Washington. With this game being in week 3 we should have a better idea on what this team will be about compared to the Bellvue game where i think we were scratching our head abit.
Quote from: Texas on March 20, 2013, 12:12:25 pm
I'm from Euless. A Trinity Grad and season ticket holder.
Trinity is not on the same level as they were from 2004-2010. That being said, they are still better than 95+% of the 5A teams in Texas. Texas is very deep in quality teams. That is one of the things that sets Texas apart. Trinity is one of them. In 2010 Pearland was supposed to be beaten solidly by Trinity, but won by four points. A few plays here and there made the difference. That kind of thing does happen in Texas. In most states only one or two teams have a legit chance of winning the title. In Texas, though there are favorites, any number of teams can rise up and take the crown.
Trinity will be a bit of a mystery next season, having graduated a large number of key players. I have no doubt Trinity will field a solid team worthy of continuing their recent success. A championship? Time will tell. I wouldn't favor them. I'm reserving judgement. I'll try to make a few Spring practices, then scrimmages. Someone said they heard on another board, Trinity should be ranked #2 in Texas to start. I highly doubt that. Top Ten, yes. #2, no way. I can think of at least three teams off the top of my head that will surely be ranked higher. Probably more.
What will happen against Bentonville? I'm biased of course. I think Trinity will win. I am not into predicting scores. I seriously doubt it will be 80-something. The little Saints were outmatched in every possible way. They were playing in the greatest football stadium in the world, which is basically a second home for Trinity. They had a few big guys. But only a few who were going up against our massive lines. Most of their players were playing both ways. Trinity meanwhile, substituted liberally. That is common, not just for that game. Trinity is deep with size, speed and talent, so we rotate players. It is a tactical advantage we take full advantage of. There was no way Shiloh was ever gonna win or even stay competitive. The main reason they got destroyed by such a big margin, is their style of play. That team played no defense to speak of. It appeared their defensive strategy was to get off the field ASAP, so they could get their offense back on the field as quickly as possible. We obliged. That led to several two or three play scoring "drives". Otherwise it was five or six plays. Their offense was no huddle, spread, speed. They took as little time between plays as possible. That killed them against Trinity. Trinity outmanned them athletically, by a lot. The fact that they played so up tempo, meant they ran very little time off the clock between plays. In combination, with the quick scoring strikes by Trinity, it's no wonder it was 24-14 after 1Q, and 53-20 at the half. I think sometime around mid 3Q they finally wised up and started running more time off the clock.
I will say, Kiehl Frazier was one heck of a HS QB. If it wasn't for him, Shiloh wouldn't have scored at all. Dude was a stud. He made some incredible plays. Ran for his life most plays. Did get sacked several times, but kept plays alive to extend drives on multiple occasions as well. I still say he is by far the best QB Trinity played against that season.
Anyway, Bentonville will be much more suited to play against Trinity. I'm guessing they don't play a high speed spread passing game, so there is no way Trinity will score 80, or even close. Shoot, I bet Bentonville can actually play a little defense (or will at least make a legit effort, unlike Shiloh). I'm guessing Trinity wins by more than two TD's. Beyond that, I'll have to learn a lot more about the opponent. I'm not sure why some of you feel this should be a payback opportunity for AR HS football for the 2010 ET-SC game. The fact is, there is a handful of TX vs. AR games each season. Last season the series was 2-2. Besides, from what I remember, most people in AR "hate" Shiloh and were happy to see them lose, though they were shocked at the huge margin. Anyway, nothing personal on this end.
Nice 1st Post! Welcome to Fearless!
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Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
I am offended...
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Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
I am offended...
that breaks my heart
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Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
I am offended...
that breaks my heart
don't worry I just raised my nose higher ;D
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:06 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 25, 2013, 09:05:20 am
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
We would call that Southlake over here. ;D
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Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
We would call that Southlake over here. ;D
Careful now my teamate buddy from High school moved to Southlake after graduating from college. All three of his boys played at Southlake-Carroll... Rick was 6'5" and his smallest kid was 6'1" ..They all got rings I think...
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Quote from: Billyo62 on March 25, 2013, 09:05:20 am
Quote from: olddog79 on March 25, 2013, 08:56:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on March 24, 2013, 05:28:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on March 24, 2013, 04:09:56 pm
Very nice board you guys got here covering Arkansas high school football. I'm looking forward to this game and little road trip in September. I'm already prepping by watching Deliverance and The Hills Have Eyes ;D
Just alittle friendly jab ;)
Actually you may be surprised when you roll into Bentonville.. it ain't hillbilly in any way.. now the towns you roll through to get there may be more HillBilliy than you can handle...
Oh yes Bentonville is a cosmopolitan, upscale, high fa lootin', don't get their hands dirty kinda town...new money ya know. They just put up with the rest of us backwoods dimrods and we're very grateful for it. Shoot, we didn't even know about football till the walmartians showed up.
(see disclaimer)
You know full good and well that Bentonville is nothing like rest of the state of Arkansas.
It depends on how you look at things. I remember it before it had money...it WAS a nice little town.
BTW did anyone drown in the rain a couple of days ago? (nose in the air joke)
We would call that Southlake over here. ;D
Careful now my teamate buddy from High school moved to Southlake after graduating from college. All three of his boys played at Southlake-Carroll... Rick was 6'5" and his smallest kid was 6'1" ..They all got rings I think...
Well if they played at SLC then there's a good chance they got rings.
Must have married a short chick
Quote from: helmethair on March 27, 2013, 12:14:10 am
Must have married a short chick
5' 7" and adorable, had a crush on her in High school. Still looks good. :)
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Yeah...
...ALL of them!
Seriously though, it's hard to say exactly. Like I said, Trinity graduated a lot last year. QB and talented WR's are gone. The big time DE's and the starting DT's are gone. RB by committee last year, but most were underclassman anyway. This will be the first season I can remember in a long time there is not at least one guy that we know is either returning after an excellent season before, or is set to have a breakout season. Closest I can think of is TE Will Taylor, who, as a soph, was soph of the year in our district. He will be a Senior. Remember the names Franklin and Ellsworth. Both are RB's. Both are track fast. Burners. If they get past the LB's, they are gone, no question. I see those two more as change of pace backs though, so they probably won't have a lot of carries. There are a few other possibilities at RB that may emerge as go to guys that can be work horses. Otherwise, in general, at this point, the OL and secondary should be the two most promising units on the team. Everything else right now is wait and see.
I hope that helps a little.
Last seasons roster: http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/roster/ (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/roster/)
Quote from: Texas on March 27, 2013, 11:58:03 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Yeah...
...ALL of them!
Seriously though, it's hard to say exactly. Like I said, Trinity graduated a lot last year. QB and talented WR's are gone. The big time DE's and the starting DT's are gone. RB by committee last year, but most were underclassman anyway. This will be the first season I can remember in a long time there is not at least one guy that we know is either returning after an excellent season before, or is set to have a breakout season. Closest I can think of is TE Will Taylor, who, as a soph, was soph of the year in our district. He will be a Senior. Remember the names Franklin and Ellsworth. Both are RB's. Both are track fast. Burners. If they get past the LB's, they are gone, no question. I see those two more as change of pace backs though, so they probably won't have a lot of carries. There are a few other possibilities at RB that may emerge as go to guys that can be work horses. Otherwise, in general, at this point, the OL and secondary should be the two most promising units on the team. Everything else right now is wait and see.
I hope that helps a little.
Last seasons roster: http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/roster/ (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/roster/)
This is a perfect assessment of this year's team at the moment. This team is a mystery to most fans right now with the exception of one particular group; HAAAWGZZZ
Did a little research and Ellsworth and Franklin have freak speed. One ran 10.6 100 meter the other a 10.7
Looks like it will be a fun year! Thanks for the info. Not bad stats speed wise for those two.
So what is the atmosphere at Bentonville like for a home game? Do people show up really early? Tailgate? Standup? Get rowdy? What? Are the stands usually full? Or what is the atmosphere at a typical Arkansas HS football game like?
Quote from: Texas on March 31, 2013, 10:39:28 pm
So what is the atmosphere at Bentonville like for a home game? Do people show up really early? Tailgate? Standup? Get rowdy? What? Are the stands usually full? Or what is the atmosphere at a typical Arkansas HS football game like?
It will be full as always, they don't show up as early as they used to but it will be packed at game time. Not as loud as they used to be but still a great atmosphere for a high school football game. Many people quit going because they didn't want to stand in line for hours just to get a seat, and there was NO STANDING room anywhere like most places. Like I said will still be packed.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 01, 2013, 10:07:44 am
Quote from: Texas on March 31, 2013, 10:39:28 pm
So what is the atmosphere at Bentonville like for a home game? Do people show up really early? Tailgate? Standup? Get rowdy? What? Are the stands usually full? Or what is the atmosphere at a typical Arkansas HS football game like?
It will be full as always, they don't show up as early as they used to but it will be packed at game time. Not as loud as they used to be but still a great atmosphere for a high school football game. Many people quit going because they didn't want to stand in line for hours just to get a seat, and there was NO STANDING room anywhere like most places. Like I said will still be packed.
When the economy took it's downturn, the Billyo's and Earl's of Bentonville could no longer pay their maid or yard help OT to stand in line for them. They are hoping that the run up in the stock market will enable them to afford to do it this year.
should've gotten those purple dogs to play'em....they'd give'em a go.
Quote from: ricepig on April 01, 2013, 10:28:51 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 01, 2013, 10:07:44 am
Quote from: Texas on March 31, 2013, 10:39:28 pm
So what is the atmosphere at Bentonville like for a home game? Do people show up really early? Tailgate? Standup? Get rowdy? What? Are the stands usually full? Or what is the atmosphere at a typical Arkansas HS football game like?
It will be full as always, they don't show up as early as they used to but it will be packed at game time. Not as loud as they used to be but still a great atmosphere for a high school football game. Many people quit going because they didn't want to stand in line for hours just to get a seat, and there was NO STANDING room anywhere like most places. Like I said will still be packed.
When the economy took it's downturn, the Billyo's and Earl's of Bentonville could know longer pay their maid or yard help OT to stand in line for them. They are hoping that the run up in the stock market will enable them to afford this, this year.
The last several years I had season reserved seats that folks saved my seat, walked in about 15 minutes before game time sat on the 50 about 3/4 of the way up. ;D
Quote from: ricepig on April 01, 2013, 10:28:51 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 01, 2013, 10:07:44 am
Quote from: Texas on March 31, 2013, 10:39:28 pm
So what is the atmosphere at Bentonville like for a home game? Do people show up really early? Tailgate? Standup? Get rowdy? What? Are the stands usually full? Or what is the atmosphere at a typical Arkansas HS football game like?
It will be full as always, they don't show up as early as they used to but it will be packed at game time. Not as loud as they used to be but still a great atmosphere for a high school football game. Many people quit going because they didn't want to stand in line for hours just to get a seat, and there was NO STANDING room anywhere like most places. Like I said will still be packed.
When the economy took it's downturn, the Billyo's and Earl's of Bentonville could no longer pay their maid or yard help OT to stand in line for them. They are hoping that the run up in the stock market will enable them to afford this, this year.
The trojanbacker of fearlessfriday ;D
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Found some YouTube stuff. I will post them one at a time. Many of the players from Trinity are sons or grandsons of people who immigrated to the US from a small pacific island called Tonga. These Tongans have difficult to say/pronounce names.
Hafoka Olie
DT #94
http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI (http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI)
Week 1: Trinity @Bellevue (WA)
Highlights: http://youtu.be/zOsNGC4cdI0 (http://youtu.be/zOsNGC4cdI0), http://youtu.be/eDdBZGhu2KE (http://youtu.be/eDdBZGhu2KE)
Almost entire game if you are a real football nerd: http://youtu.be/JYo8NlTFo4Y (http://youtu.be/JYo8NlTFo4Y)
Week 2: Tulsa (OK) Union @Trinity
Union Coaches Show: http://youtu.be/yoPUeh__RV4 (http://youtu.be/yoPUeh__RV4)
Jump to 5:50 where the highlights begin. Has almost every play.
Quote from: Texas on April 01, 2013, 05:25:41 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Found some YouTube stuff. I will post them one at a time. Many of the players from Trinity are sons or grandsons of people who immigrated to the US from a small pacific island called Tonga. These Tongans have difficult to say/pronounce names.
Hafoka Olie
DT #94
http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI (http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI)
Like "Hekili Keliiliki"? :)
EDIT: FWIW, here's highlights of last year's game vs. South Panola, MS, which finished as Mississippi "big school" champions in 2012. SP and Euless Trinity may have been the best teams in the U.S. two years ago when ET started ranked #1 in USA Today and SP finished there after the freak Pearland loss. SP did have a player ranked the #2 safety in the US last season.
I don't know how much this will show of BHS as we took some heavy graduation losses on defense, at QB and at RB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monQ2TOYZeY
This one is a must see! It is the Colleyville Heritage @ Trinity game from 2011. Heritage is the perennial 2nd best team in our district. That school has a solid program. Good regular season team. They have never beaten Trinity. They always have excellent QB's. Christian Ponder (Florida State, Minnesota Vikings) is an alumn. The QB the last few seasons (including in this video) is Cody Thomas, also a MLB prospect is an OU commit. Great game. This is one of the best HS football films I have ever seen. Enjoy.
http://youtu.be/wGHuT2du8_c (http://youtu.be/wGHuT2du8_c)
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 01, 2013, 06:20:53 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 01, 2013, 05:25:41 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Found some YouTube stuff. I will post them one at a time. Many of the players from Trinity are sons or grandsons of people who immigrated to the US from a small pacific island called Tonga. These Tongans have difficult to say/pronounce names.
Hafoka Olie
DT #94
http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI (http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI)
Like "Hekili Keliiliki"? :)
EDIT: FWIW, here's highlights of last year's game vs. South Panola, MS, which finished as Mississippi "big school" champions in 2012. SP and Euless Trinity may have been the best teams in the U.S. two years ago when ET started ranked #1 in USA Today and SP finished there after the freak Pearland loss. SP did have a player ranked the #2 safety in the US last season.
I don't know how much this will show of BHS as we took some heavy graduation losses on defense, at QB and at RB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monQ2TOYZeY
That can't possibly be true. SP is not from Texas. ;) Probably Trinity and Pearland were the two best teams that season. ;D
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 01, 2013, 06:20:53 pm
Like "Hekili Keliiliki"? :)
EDIT: FWIW, here's highlights of last year's game vs. South Panola, MS, which finished as Mississippi "big school" champions in 2012. SP and Euless Trinity may have been the best teams in the U.S. two years ago when ET started ranked #1 in USA Today and SP finished there after the freak Pearland loss. SP did have a player ranked the #2 safety in the US last season.
I don't know how much this will show of BHS as we took some heavy graduation losses on defense, at QB and at RB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monQ2TOYZeY
Thanks. Bentonville looks like a very well coached, great executing, solid fundamental team. Looks like they "bring their lunch pales". ::)
Quote from: Texas on April 01, 2013, 05:25:41 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Found some YouTube stuff. I will post them one at a time. Many of the players from Trinity are sons or grandsons of people who immigrated to the US from a small pacific island called Tonga. These Tongans have difficult to say/pronounce names.
Hafoka Olie
DT #94
http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI (http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI)
+1 Texas! :)
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 01, 2013, 06:20:53 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 01, 2013, 05:25:41 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on March 27, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
Texas, any main players & numbers please ;D to look out for on your team?
Found some YouTube stuff. I will post them one at a time. Many of the players from Trinity are sons or grandsons of people who immigrated to the US from a small pacific island called Tonga. These Tongans have difficult to say/pronounce names.
Hafoka Olie
DT #94
http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI (http://youtu.be/xNvgmWonrqI)
Like "Hekili Keliiliki"? :)
EDIT: FWIW, here's highlights of last year's game vs. South Panola, MS, which finished as Mississippi "big school" champions in 2012. SP and Euless Trinity may have been the best teams in the U.S. two years ago when ET started ranked #1 in USA Today and SP finished there after the freak Pearland loss. SP did have a player ranked the #2 safety in the US last season.
I don't know how much this will show of BHS as we took some heavy graduation losses on defense, at QB and at RB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monQ2TOYZeY
Nice video, the Tiger scared me at first. ;)
Coach Lunney or Lundy? Don't know the correct spelling of his name but he seems like a real good guy. Full of superlatives for the opponent....ummm but y'all didn't have to do South Panola like that. :o
Quote from: Texas on April 01, 2013, 06:02:23 pm
Week 1: Trinity @Bellevue (WA)
Highlights: http://youtu.be/zOsNGC4cdI0 (http://youtu.be/zOsNGC4cdI0), http://youtu.be/eDdBZGhu2KE (http://youtu.be/eDdBZGhu2KE)
Almost entire game if you are a real football nerd: http://youtu.be/JYo8NlTFo4Y (http://youtu.be/JYo8NlTFo4Y)
Love how the sports reporter said "and Bellevue pulls off the upset" as Bellevue was ranked in the top 10 nationally all year. Whatevs.
Quote from: DPaul on April 02, 2013, 06:28:16 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
get your BBQ fix at Whole Hog
I didn't think Arkansas was known for their BBQ. ??? What kind of food is Arkansas known for? Hog Stew? ;D
Just saw on twitter that South Panola and NLR will play on Sept. 13
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 07:20:12 pm
I didn't think Arkansas was known for their BBQ. ??? What kind of food is Arkansas known for? Hog Stew? ;D
Moonshine?
Oh you said food...
Quote from: 3sportkid on April 02, 2013, 07:11:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 02, 2013, 06:28:16 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
get your BBQ fix at Whole Hog
Is that in Bentonville? If so is it near the stadium?
Since you are now part of the Fearless Family, Go through Fort Smith on your way up. Lunch at Benson's Grill in the Fort, then pregame meal in bentonville at Emma Ruth's. Best grub around. You can thank me later. The bosses of those places may not be in a good mood. They helped me get my rings. ;)
Quote from: DPaul on April 02, 2013, 09:09:40 pm
Quote from: 3sportkid on April 02, 2013, 07:11:27 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 02, 2013, 06:28:16 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
get your BBQ fix at Whole Hog
Is that in Bentonville? If so is it near the stadium?
Not far, right off the exit you would take to the stadium.
We like longhorn t-bones as well, you can get that at Doe's if you prefer steak.
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Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
get your BBQ fix at Whole Hog
Is that in Bentonville? If so is it near the stadium?
Not far, right off the exit you would take to the stadium.
We like longhorn t-bones as well, you can get that at Doe's if you prefer steak.
Are y'alls steakhouses cheaper than these Dallas steakhouses? I think I'll stick with a chop beef sandwich..
Al Biernat's — 24-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $51 ($2.12 per ounce)
Bob's Steak and Chop House (Omni Dallas hotel) — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged (served with signature carrot and choice of potato): $47 ($2.14 per ounce)
Del Frisco's Double Eagle Steak House — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $51 ($2.31 per ounce)
Pappas Bros. Steakhouse — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, dry-aged: $51.95 ($2.36 per ounce)
Ser – 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged (served with olive oil potatoes, tomato chutney and hollandaise sauce): $56 ($2.55 per ounce)
Nick & Sam's Steakhouse — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $57 ($2.59 per ounce)
Dakota's Steakhouse – 20-ounce bone-in ribeye, dry-aged: $56 ($2.80 per ounce)
Western Sizzlin' has a 6 oz. sirloin, before 5pm for customers over 55 years of age, for $6.29 including a trip to the salad bar....($1.05 an ounce)
How's that for you..??..??
Quote from: Baitshop on April 03, 2013, 12:13:05 am
Western Sizzlin' has a 6 oz. sirloin, before 5pm for customers over 55 years of age, for $6.29 including a trip to the salad bar....($1.05 an ounce)
How's that for you..??..??
lol! DPaul is in his late 20's I think. Does not qualify for a senior discount.
Benson's and Emma Ruth's. Ask for the DP Special. Not on the menu but a kick it deep, baitshop wheel route, stolen tight end fall play, eleven transfer, Back to Back championship meal to say the least.
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Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Good! Scout the area and report back on any good BBQ joints. ;D
get your BBQ fix at Whole Hog
Is that in Bentonville? If so is it near the stadium?
Not far, right off the exit you would take to the stadium.
We like longhorn t-bones as well, you can get that at Doe's if you prefer steak.
Are y'alls steakhouses cheaper than these Dallas steakhouses? I think I'll stick with a chop beef sandwich..
Al Biernat's — 24-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $51 ($2.12 per ounce)
Bob's Steak and Chop House (Omni Dallas hotel) — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged (served with signature carrot and choice of potato): $47 ($2.14 per ounce)
Del Frisco's Double Eagle Steak House — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $51 ($2.31 per ounce)
Pappas Bros. Steakhouse — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, dry-aged: $51.95 ($2.36 per ounce)
Ser – 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged (served with olive oil potatoes, tomato chutney and hollandaise sauce): $56 ($2.55 per ounce)
Nick & Sam's Steakhouse — 22-ounce bone-in ribeye, wet-aged: $57 ($2.59 per ounce)
Dakota's Steakhouse – 20-ounce bone-in ribeye, dry-aged: $56 ($2.80 per ounce)
Chop House would be my favorite from that list. I'd just as soon eat at Ruth Chris as Del Frisco's. Anyway, you'll be able to find something suitable for your palate, may be a happy meal.
Quote from: urhog on April 03, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Benson's and Emma Ruth's. Ask for the DP Special. Not on the menu but a kick it deep, baitshop wheel route, stolen tight end fall play, eleven transfer, Back to Back championship meal to say the least.
:o
Wow! ::) You guys really know how to party! ;D
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Quote from: urhog on April 03, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Benson's and Emma Ruth's. Ask for the DP Special. Not on the menu but a kick it deep, baitshop wheel route, stolen tight end fall play, eleven transfer, Back to Back championship meal to say the least.
:o
Wow! ::) You guys really know how to party! ;D
I think if you walk into Benson's or Emma Ruth's, and ask for anything to do with
DP, you might be the one to get kicked
deep.
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Quote from: urhog on April 03, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Benson's and Emma Ruth's. Ask for the DP Special. Not on the menu but a kick it deep, baitshop wheel route, stolen tight end fall play, eleven transfer, Back to Back championship meal to say the least.
:o
Wow! ::) You guys really know how to party! ;D
That's just the way they roll in Bville. ;D
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Quote from: urhog on April 03, 2013, 10:07:17 am
Benson's and Emma Ruth's. Ask for the DP Durrell Special. Not on the menu but a kick it deep, baitshop wheel route, stolen tight end fall play, eleven transfer, De Puppet Master, Back to Back championship meal.
:o
Wow! ::) You guys really know how to party! ;D
Fixed and added to.
Quote from: Baitshop on April 03, 2013, 12:13:05 am
Western Sizzlin' has a 6 oz. sirloin, before 5pm for customers over 55 years of age, for $6.29 including a trip to the salad bar....($1.05 an ounce)
How's that for you..??..??
I don't qualify for senior discounts yet but can't wait.
The Happy Meal selection sounds enticing ;)
Right now this Emma Ruth's sounds interestin.
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Hope you were able to scout out the best place's to eat!
I may have to drive hours now to try out Earl's New Restaurant with all the talk about food.
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
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Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
...now that's the place to be!
BTW, spend a few bucks while you're in town. We need the tax revenue.
Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 12:35:04 am
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
I guess you figured out in
SpringChickendale:
"Aqui, se habla español..."
Ain't that the truth!
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Ain't that the truth!
Being from Mexas, they shouldn't bother you.
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Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Why on earth did you decide to stay in Springdale?
Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 12:35:04 am
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Done in Bentonville. Back in Springdale. I drove by BHS & Tiger Stadium on J Street. Pretty nice (from what I could see from the moving view of my Freightliner). I noticed as I was driving East on SW Reg Airport Blvd, then SE Walton Blvd, that the letter streets are in no logical order. I passed I, then F, then C before getting to J. The order of the first three made sense, but not J. Couldn't find E, D, B or A. I saw some really nice neighborhoods. Also saw some more like middle class neighborhoods. I drove by "The Links at something or other", World Gym, Eden Brooke. Nice town.
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Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 12:35:04 am
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Why on earth did you decide to stay in Springdale?
Technically I am in Tontitown. Even worse I know. I'm a truck driver. I can't park my truck and trailer just anywhere. The parking at the Pilot in Springdale was full when I got in last night, so I just came down the street here in Tontitown where my trucking company has a yard.
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Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Done in Bentonville. Back in Springdale. I drove by BHS & Tiger Stadium on J Street. Pretty nice (from what I could see from the moving view of my Freightliner). I noticed as I was driving East on SW Reg Airport Blvd, then SE Walton Blvd, that the letter streets are in no logical order. I passed I, then F, then C before getting to J. The order of the first three made sense, but not J. Couldn't find E, D, B or A. I saw some really nice neighborhoods. Also saw some more like middle class neighborhoods. I drove by "The Links at something or other", World Gym, Eden Brooke. Nice town.
"The Links at Bangalore."
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Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 02:47:08 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 12:35:04 am
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Done in Bentonville. Back in Springdale. I drove by BHS & Tiger Stadium on J Street. Pretty nice (from what I could see from the moving view of my Freightliner). I noticed as I was driving East on SW Reg Airport Blvd, then SE Walton Blvd, that the letter streets are in no logical order. I passed I, then F, then C before getting to J. The order of the first three made sense, but not J. Couldn't find E, D, B or A. I saw some really nice neighborhoods. Also saw some more like middle class neighborhoods. I drove by "The Links at something or other", World Gym, Eden Brooke. Nice town.
"The Links at Bangalore."
Bang a WHAT..??..!!
Quote from: Baitshop on April 04, 2013, 08:05:36 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 04, 2013, 06:02:27 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 02:47:08 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 04, 2013, 12:35:04 am
Quote from: Texas on April 02, 2013, 04:33:43 pm
Ironically, I will be driving in to Bentonville tomorrow night for some business I have on Thursday.
Made it. Actually I am down the road in Springdale.
Done in Bentonville. Back in Springdale. I drove by BHS & Tiger Stadium on J Street. Pretty nice (from what I could see from the moving view of my Freightliner). I noticed as I was driving East on SW Reg Airport Blvd, then SE Walton Blvd, that the letter streets are in no logical order. I passed I, then F, then C before getting to J. The order of the first three made sense, but not J. Couldn't find E, D, B or A. I saw some really nice neighborhoods. Also saw some more like middle class neighborhoods. I drove by "The Links at something or other", World Gym, Eden Brooke. Nice town.
"The Links at Bangalore."
Bang a WHAT..??..!!
Like you need to ask? just bring some 10-30 honey I got the money! ;)
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
Last year at the TCU camp they both ran in the 4.3 range.
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
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Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
Like I said, with both Franklin and Ellsworth, if they get past the LB's, they are gone. They will just run around the safeties and DBs.
Quote from: Texas on April 07, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 07, 2013, 03:49:18 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
Like I said, with both Franklin and Ellsworth, if they get past the LB's, they are gone. They will just run around the safeties and DBs.
Okay, That's easy, don't give them a hole to run through! ;)
Unless we have turned slow on defense this year, they won't run wide on Bentonville. They will never get to the corner.
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7AFBFAN, it's funny. My pledge dad in college was a graduate of George Morton West High School in Berwyn, IL which borders Chicago. His old school combines teams with Morton East of Cicero and compete as one school representing 8,000 kids - insane. (http://www.ihsa.org/data/school/schools/0216.htm) In their case, I'm not sure the combination has helped them to win any more championships.
Back to BHS/THS...Henry Apple confirms it...looks like the schedule's set. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2013/mar/10/bentonville-adds-euless-trinity-schedule/?sports-prep-baseball) Bennie goes to Rockhurst, then hosts Broken Arrow (which will have at least two senior players (QB and RB) heavily recruited by OU) followed by Trinity.
That's an awful lot of trouble to go to just to get beaten by Fayetteville at season's end. ;)
Eueless will score a hundred on bville...and i hope they do!
Ridiculous to have that many students and not win a state championship
Every year!
You may be a special person or lacking in common sense. Name me how many schools last year that were the biggest enrollment school in their state that won a state championship in football.
Quote from: Texas on April 07, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 07, 2013, 03:49:18 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
Like I said, with both Franklin and Ellsworth, if they get past the LB's, they are gone. They will just run around the safeties and DBs.
If Broccoli top gets a hole you're correct, say bye bye. But the td run last year against Turner where he out ran the angle on him was jaw dropping but then again it was Turner. But still that play displayed some serious speed. That run stands out the most to me of all plays last year. Looking forward to both guys this year as well as Homer.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 07, 2013, 06:22:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 07, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 07, 2013, 03:49:18 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
Like I said, with both Franklin and Ellsworth, if they get past the LB's, they are gone. They will just run around the safeties and DBs.
Okay, That's easy, don't give them a hole to run through! ;)
Unless we have turned slow on defense this year, they won't run wide on Bentonville. They will never get to the corner.
I don't know what to expect this season with these two guys. They could emerge as go to guys, but they have always been change of pace backs. We'll see after the first two games. By the game with Bennie, we should know where the backfield stands.
For the record Trinity High School is in Euless, not Eueless. Two "e"'s not three. Pronounced You-less.
Quote from: Texas on April 07, 2013, 09:28:31 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 07, 2013, 06:22:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 07, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 07, 2013, 03:49:18 pm
Quote from: ricepig on April 06, 2013, 11:29:49 am
I saw on twitter that the Franklin kid just ran a 4.3 laser time at a Nike combine, that's legit.
He's pad fast too. I swear there were times last year where he looked like the roadrunner when he gets up to speed and you can't see his feet.
Like I said, with both Franklin and Ellsworth, if they get past the LB's, they are gone. They will just run around the safeties and DBs.
Okay, That's easy, don't give them a hole to run through! ;)
Unless we have turned slow on defense this year, they won't run wide on Bentonville. They will never get to the corner.
I don't know what to expect this season with these two guys. They could emerge as go to guys, but they have always been change of pace backs. We'll see after the first two games. By the game with Bennie, we should know where the backfield stands.
I would agree with that. As fast as they are there are still alot of question marks.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 07, 2013, 07:23:34 pm
Quote from: swampmonster2012 on March 16, 2013, 08:43:01 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on March 15, 2013, 05:08:13 pm
7AFBFAN, it's funny. My pledge dad in college was a graduate of George Morton West High School in Berwyn, IL which borders Chicago. His old school combines teams with Morton East of Cicero and compete as one school representing 8,000 kids - insane. (http://www.ihsa.org/data/school/schools/0216.htm) In their case, I'm not sure the combination has helped them to win any more championships.
Back to BHS/THS...Henry Apple confirms it...looks like the schedule's set. (http://www.arpreps.com/news/2013/mar/10/bentonville-adds-euless-trinity-schedule/?sports-prep-baseball) Bennie goes to Rockhurst, then hosts Broken Arrow (which will have at least two senior players (QB and RB) heavily recruited by OU) followed by Trinity.
That's an awful lot of trouble to go to just to get beaten by Fayetteville at season's end. ;)
Eueless will score a hundred on bville...and i hope they do!
Ridiculous to have that many students and not win a state championship
Every year!
You may be a special person or lacking in common sense. Name me how many schools last year that were the biggest enrollment school in their state that won a state championship in football.
You are correct. Being the largest does not necessarily mean they should be the best. However, being among the largest should mean high athletic success IMO. Allen High School (Allen, TX) was the second largest HS in Texas last season and did in fact win the state title. They have been growing dramatically in the last 10 years. The school district has no intention of ever building another HS. Their current enrollment is 6,000+ (9-12). I believe they do have a separate ninth grade campus, but still. Most fans across the state are convinced Allen would be no better than an average team without their huge numbers. It is inconceivable at this point how much bigger they will get. They grew by 700 students in two years. They will easily be the largest HS next realignment.
Camden Fairview which has less than 800 students could beat every team in Arkansas besides a few teams
"Every" but not "all"..??..??
Depends on your definition of few........
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 08:27:44 am
Camden Fairview which has less than 800 students could beat every team in Arkansas besides a few 3A teams
fixed it for ya.
Trinity been a Solid Program and will be a great test for Bentonville.
My definition of a few is 3. I figure Bentonville, Greenwood, Fayetteville.
I think Fairview had 8 or 9 players sign off this years team
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 01:33:53 pm
I think Fairview had 8 or 9 players sign off this years team
Great, but that's not that big of a deal, and it's the others players and back ups that probably would not be able to compete at the 7A west level. How many will they have sign next year?
I'm sure they will have around 5 or so.
How many did Bentonville and Fayetteville have?
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 01:56:21 pm
How many did Bentonville and Fayetteville have?
Don't know last year, we have had 10+ at least once the last few years.
and Bentonville has beat teams with 10+ also.. because Bentonville was a better team.
That's very impressive, that's why I said they could beat Fairview. The rest probably could not
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 02:04:57 pm
That's very impressive, that's why I said they could beat Fairview. The rest probably could not
CF has been very good the last couple of years, How will they look this year?
NOt sure I will text their coach. Where you from Billy?
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 02:09:05 pm
NOt sure I will text their coach. Where you from Billy?
I'm was a Bentonville guy, but i moved a few months ago to KC, now I am out of the loop on good Tiger info.
Oh ok. Guy said they would be really good but not as good as this year probably. I sent you a PM
Quote from: Lions84 on April 08, 2013, 11:05:21 am
Trinity been a Solid Program and will be a great test for Bentonville.
Thanks. I think the
same of Bentonville. Putting any kind of state pride aside for a moment, as a fan, it's good to travel to other states and see that level of passion for HS football. Trinity has had an OOS opponent every season (except '11) since '08. The only thing I would want to change, is for it to be home and home series. It would be great for example if Trinity could go play @ Tulsa Union next season, then @ Jenks the next season. Both have great facilities from what I understand. It would be great to host Bentonville and Bellevue (WA) in the next few seasons. Purely as a fan of HS football, it's fun to see my team play so many OOS games. There are arguments against it. I agree in part with both sides of the argument.
Quote from: Texas on April 08, 2013, 04:08:22 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on April 08, 2013, 11:05:21 am
Trinity been a Solid Program and will be a great test for Bentonville.
Thanks. I think the same of Bentonville. Putting any kind of state pride aside for a moment, as a fan, it's good to travel to other states and see that level of passion for HS football. Trinity has had an OOS opponent every season (except '11) since '08. The only thing I would want to change, is for it to be home and home series. It would be great for example if Trinity could go play @ Tulsa Union next season, then @ Jenks the next season. Both have great facilities from what I understand. It would be great to host Bentonville and Bellevue (WA) in the next few seasons. Purely as a fan of HS football, it's fun to see my team play so many OOS games. There are arguments against it. I agree in part with both sides of the argument.
There is no doubt that Trinity has had a great program for some time now. Bentonville has been very good but just recently started playing OOC schedules that are accomplished good teams. I don't think the competition for Trinity in district has been any better than Bentonville faces in conference. Big difference is the state competition that Trinity has faced and has handled quite well over the years. Hopefully it's a great game.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 08, 2013, 04:20:44 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 08, 2013, 04:08:22 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on April 08, 2013, 11:05:21 am
Trinity been a Solid Program and will be a great test for Bentonville.
Thanks. I think the same of Bentonville. Putting any kind of state pride aside for a moment, as a fan, it's good to travel to other states and see that level of passion for HS football. Trinity has had an OOS opponent every season (except '11) since '08. The only thing I would want to change, is for it to be home and home series. It would be great for example if Trinity could go play @ Tulsa Union next season, then @ Jenks the next season. Both have great facilities from what I understand. It would be great to host Bentonville and Bellevue (WA) in the next few seasons. Purely as a fan of HS football, it's fun to see my team play so many OOS games. There are arguments against it. I agree in part with both sides of the argument.
There is no doubt that Trinity has had a great program for some time now. Bentonville has been very good but just recently started playing OOC schedules that are accomplished good teams. I don't think the competition for Trinity in district has been any better than Bentonville faces in conference. Big difference is the state competition that Trinity has faced and has handled quite well over the years. Hopefully it's a great game.
It's hard to argue that point. Trinity's district isn't (hasn't been) very good. There are three teams head and shoulders above the rest, with Trinity the best of the three by a very large margin. Trinity hasn't lost a district game since 2005. There is only one game in all that time that was close. The bottom four teams are pretty dreadful. I couldn't begin to compare the other teams in Trinity's district to what Bentonville faces in conference. I'm sure some teams are better and some are worse than others. As a Texas HS football fan, I think the average Texas team is better than the average OOS team. Average though, is .500 right? Hmm... Interesting thought.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 08, 2013, 02:13:55 pm
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 02:09:05 pm
NOt sure I will text their coach. Where you from Billy?
I'm was a Bentonville guy, but i moved a few months ago to KC, now I am out of the loop on good Tiger info.
Do you miss Arkansas yet? Texas, helmet hair etc....Billyo will never be out of the loop. He knows Bentonville Football...and has to many friends not to keep him informed.;)
Quote from: helmethair on April 08, 2013, 01:33:53 pm
I think Fairview had 8 or 9 players sign off this years team
You do know "signing" and having the school of your choice pay for your college experience are two totally different things.
All I know is I saw in the democrat they had 8 or 9 players going to play college football from this years team. Very impressive for a 5 A school
Quote from: helmethair on April 09, 2013, 10:12:21 am
All I know is I saw in the democrat they had 8 or 9 players going to play college football from this years team. Very impressive for a 5 A school
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How many signed D-I scholarships?
Not sure. I think one, maybe two. What's your point? How many did Bentonville sign D1?
Quote from: helmethair on April 09, 2013, 10:43:27 am
Not sure. I think one, maybe two. What's your point? How many did Bentonville sign D1?
2 last yr, 1 yr before that, and 3 the yr before that... I think
2bhsboys I sent you a PM
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
BTW, billyo, I guarantee a former BHS football player who's having the time of his life right now (and has a very proud Dad and Mom) is Chase Petersen. Amazing how an NCAA men's basketball season (which last month had "experts" in USA Today saying this was the most wide open, anyone's guess tournament in many years) and a simultaneous NCAA women's season (with Baylor and their amazing Brittany Griner said to be all but unstoppable) suddenly became "the Kevin Ware Invitational"? And I don't say that as an insult...I've had a non-compound full break of my wrist (not on national television)...can't imagine what I would have done. U of L men are champs today and the women are playing to be champs tonight.
And U of L football (which Mr. Petersen will be a junior for next year) isn't bad, either.
Quote from: helmethair on April 09, 2013, 10:43:27 am
Not sure. I think one, maybe two. What's your point? How many did Bentonville sign D1?
What school or schools? My point is, how many will play D-I, and how many will pay at Hendrix, big difference. I think it's great that kids will get their college paid for, but those are two different types of football. As far as Bentonville, I wouldn't have any idea.
I don't figure any Fairview kids will be playing any ball at Hendrix
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
What OP is saying is we just hope we are close to what we have been in the last several years. I'm not sure we will be. but you gotta play anyway with no excuses.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
What OP is saying is we just hope we are close to what we have been in the last several years. I'm not sure we will be. but you gotta play anyway with no excuses.
Well you're in luck because we're about as half as strong as we were in the late 2000s.
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
What OP is saying is we just hope we are close to what we have been in the last several years. I'm not sure we will be. but you gotta play anyway with no excuses.
Well you're in luck because we're about as half as strong as we were in the late 2000s.
Like I said, much respect for Trinity from the Bentonville fans, you guys have a better history than we do but we still play the games. Neither team may be as good as a certain year in recent history but both have great Head coaches and good programs. Should be a good game. We aren't tiny little Shiloh that you played a few years ago.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:24:57 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
What OP is saying is we just hope we are close to what we have been in the last several years. I'm not sure we will be. but you gotta play anyway with no excuses.
Well you're in luck because we're about as half as strong as we were in the late 2000s.
Like I said, much respect for Trinity from the Bentonville fans, you guys have a better history than we do but we still play the games. Neither team may be as good as a certain year in recent history but both have great Head coaches and good programs. Should be a good game. We aren't tiny little Shiloh that you played a few years ago.
I understand that. I was at the Shiloh Beatdown and i felt bad afterwards that we even played them. Going into that game I knew nothing about Shiloh other than all the talk I was hearing from others about how they were such a badass in Arkansas. So I was thinking okay they got a D1 QB, the "strongest high school kid in the country" and a badass introduction pregame video that this might be pretty competitive....oops.... They were beat up the whole game.
So my question is during that time or now, did or does Shiloh play any of the Bentonvilles/Springdales of Arkansas?
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
FWIW, is apparently not much. In theory, Union did not want to play Bentonville for any number of reasons. That can be debated. They may have had legit concerns at the time. For them and Jenks to step up and play two of the best (largest classification) TX teams IN TEXAS says a great deal. Those teams get my utmost respect. As does Bentoniville.
I don't give much consideration to scrimmages, regardless of the outcome or if it is supposed to be a "simulated game". To me Bentonville and Har-Ber have never played Union. It it was an actual game, then we could say we had a common opponent.
As for North Korea. I wouldn't worry about any potential conflicts. Unless they actually do drop a nuke on Austin, they won't stop football in Texas.
Quote from: Texas on April 09, 2013, 08:52:47 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
FWIW, is apparently not much. In theory, Union did not want to play Bentonville for any number of reasons. That can be debated. They may have had legit concerns at the time. For them and Jenks to step up and play two of the best (largest classification) TX teams IN TEXAS says a great deal. Those teams get my utmost respect. As does Bentoniville.
I don't give much consideration to scrimmages, regardless of the outcome or if it is supposed to be a "simulated game". To me Bentonville and Har-Ber have never played Union. It it was an actual game, then we could say we had a common opponent.
As for North Korea. I wouldn't worry about any potential conflicts. Unless they actually do drop a nuke on Austin, they won't stop football in Texas.
It's all good, Texas. Sorry if that came out wrong about Union. What is interesting is that back in early September actually Rivals let Bentonville into their top 100 based (at the time as the writer said so) on going "toe-to-toe" with Union (coming off their fourth sc at the time) in the scrimmage at their place, where BHS stayed until losing in the sc game. What was interesting is that BAHS beat a team (Owasso) which snapped something like a two-decade long string of Union conference victories, championships or both...OHS was a semifinalist last season. Glad that BHS was able to at least play UHS at the 1/2. (BTW, not that this means much, either, but BHS and UHS did have a common opponent in Broken Arrow, which lost to the Redskins by 5 at "the U's" place. (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/broken-arrow-tigers-%28broken-arrow,ok%29/football-fall-12/schedule.htm) Broken Arrow actually may have had a few more highly recruited players than Union but never could quite get it together the way they did in their previous state runner-up season.)
Billyo's right. Some of us expected a huge dropoff last season given the schedule we played and the offensive firepower we lost. Still had a running back who tied the Arkansas big school rushing TD record plus a tremendous defense. Lost him and lost some key defensive players, but I still think we'll be at least competitive. Hope so...just don't know enough about who's coming back for BHS in '13-14.
As for NK and Iran, I'm really not worried at this point about the little man there (China, a different story) but was typing this after hearing the Iran guy saying his nation is supposedly nuclear now as they may be. Who knows what to believe? Just angry that little people like that are able to rattle their sabers and be heard right now. Didn't have to be that way. Sorry I let my frustration spill into the post.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:24:57 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years
Well you're in luck because we're about as half as strong as we were in the late 2000s.
Like I said, much respect for Trinity from the Bentonville fans, you guys have a better history than we do but we still play the games. Neither team may be as good as a certain year in recent history but both have great Head coaches and good programs. Should be a good game. We aren't tiny little Shiloh that you played a few years ago.
Touche'.
Regardless, it is what it is. Trinity should have a much improved offense next season, and a less experienced defense. Last season the offense (by Trinity's standards) was pretty pathetic. Luckily it came in a year in which Trinity had one of the best defenses in the state. Of course, when you are really weak on one end of the ball, the greatness coming from the other end cannot sustain you. They should be much more balanced this season. Pretty good offense, good defense.
No doubt. The game that ended Trinity's participation in the Herbstreit Classic. Trinity played in the game three seasons in a row, at least doubling the opponents score each time. Each of Trinity's opponents would go on to win their state title. I think the fans and definitely Coach Lineweaver was done with the "Herbie" once and for all. Each season the "Herbie" people promised a more competitive opponent than previous. Coach L didn't want to go back the second year or the third. They kept convincing him. Until Shiloh. I'm pretty sure most Trinity fans know that Bentonville is a much higher quality opponent than Shiloh.
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 09:07:06 pm
It's all good, Texas. Sorry if that came out wrong about Union. What is interesting is that back in early September actually Rivals let Bentonville into their top 100 based (at the time as the writer said so) on going "toe-to-toe" with Union (coming off their fourth sc at the time) in the scrimmage at their place, where BHS stayed until losing in the sc game. What was interesting is that BAHS beat a team (Owasso) which snapped something like a two-decade long string of Union conference victories, championships or both...OHS was a semifinalist last season. Glad that BHS was able to at least play UHS at the 1/2. (BTW, not that this means much, either, but BHS and UHS did have a common opponent in Broken Arrow, which lost to the Redskins by 5 at "the U's" place. (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/broken-arrow-tigers-%28broken-arrow,ok%29/football-fall-12/schedule.htm) Broken Arrow actually may have had a few more highly recruited players than Union but never could quite get it together the way they did in their previous state runner-up season.)
Billyo's right. Some of us expected a huge dropoff last season given the schedule we played and the offensive firepower we lost. Still had a running back who tied the Arkansas big school rushing TD record plus a tremendous defense. Lost him and lost some key defensive players, but I still think we'll be at least competitive. Hope so...just don't know enough about who's coming back for BHS in '13-14.
As for NK and Iran, I'm really not worried at this point about the little man there (China, a different story) but was typing this after hearing the Iran guy saying his nation is supposedly nuclear now as they may be. Who knows what to believe? Just angry that little people like that are able to rattle their sabers and be heard right now. Didn't have to be that way. Sorry I let my frustration spill into the post.
That's one of many many many problems with National HS FB polls. You may have 5 of the top 25 that have played each other. Otherwise, you get this vs. common opponents BS analysis or even worse, vs. common opponents opponents. Basing an opinion of a team off of a scrimmage is laughable. The bottom line is, in the end, it is all just a big guessing game. How someone like Dallas Jackson (Rivals) can write some of the opinions he has with a straight face, is amazing. The rest of that paragraph gives me tired head.
I think you answered it in the first sentence. A really good team, reloads every season. You may not know what to expect each year, but what you get is a really good football team year in, year out.
This paragraph is curious. I'd love to get into that, and hear more of your thoughts on the matter, though I realize this is not the proper forum for such a topic.
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 07:30:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:24:57 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 06:18:37 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 09, 2013, 06:09:37 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 09, 2013, 04:45:26 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 09, 2013, 11:22:17 am
Texas (and dPaul), FWIW, there was a discussion on this board a year or two back on how Tulsa Union did not want to play Bentonville. Since 2009 Bentonville's (and nearby Springdale Har-Ber's) big preseason scrimmage has been at Union, where in the big (full half) scrimmage BHS beat UHS last year on the last play 15-13. I hope that BHS is halfway strong this season like we have been the past three years. (And that's assuming there IS a season, with North Korea (little NORTH KOREA!) threatening a missile launch tomorrow and Iran's prez now saying his nation has a nuclear weapon (truthful or not).
Just halfway strong huh?
What OP is saying is we just hope we are close to what we have been in the last several years. I'm not sure we will be. but you gotta play anyway with no excuses.
Well you're in luck because we're about as half as strong as we were in the late 2000s.
Like I said, much respect for Trinity from the Bentonville fans, you guys have a better history than we do but we still play the games. Neither team may be as good as a certain year in recent history but both have great Head coaches and good programs. Should be a good game. We aren't tiny little Shiloh that you played a few years ago.
I understand that. I was at the Shiloh Beatdown and i felt bad afterwards that we even played them. Going into that game I knew nothing about Shiloh other than all the talk I was hearing from others about how they were such a badass in Arkansas. So I was thinking okay they got a D1 QB, the "strongest high school kid in the country" and a badass introduction pregame video that this might be pretty competitive....oops.... They were beat up the whole game.
So my question is during that time or now, did or does Shiloh play any of the Bentonvilles/Springdales of Arkansas?
No.
Springdale and Shiloh played a couple of times back in the day.
I think one was a tie and Springdale won the other. This was when Gus was at Shiloh and J.Williams was still at Springdale.
In my efforts to research the opponent, I came to this or some AR HS message board. From what I remember, many AR HS fans felt Shiloh (and their fans) was arrogant. I remember a lot of talk about how Shiloh would run up the score on teams they would play. Correct me if I am wrong in all this. Seems I remember talk of Shiloh ducking the really good teams in AR. I got a general sense that many fans wanted to see Shiloh get a beat down.
Quote from: Texas on April 10, 2013, 10:06:40 am
In my efforts to research the opponent, I came to this or some AR HS message board. From what I remember, many AR HS fans felt Shiloh (and their fans) was arrogant. I remember a lot of talk about how Shiloh would run up the score on teams they would play. Correct me if I am wrong in all this. Seems I remember talk of Shiloh ducking the really good teams in AR. I got a general sense that many fans wanted to see Shiloh get a beat down.
I would say that is accurate.
I am just surprise that OP has broken out the stats on what we have coming back to what we (bville) lost from last years team. From what I remember we have the Oline coming back, with the lost of 1 senior from that group, WR should be basicly intact, RB to Soph that played last yr, but hard to replace the 1 that grad. Need a new QB, don't have a clue who that will be until spring ball.
Defense - don't get me started we lost a lot, the entire secondary, 2 linebackers, but the Dline play should be very solid.
Just my take, but will definetly not be the team we have had the last two years. This new team reminds me of the 2008 Bville team
Questions.
In Texas we have classifications (sometimes called conferences) seperating school enrollment sizes (1A-5A). Then the schools are divided into districts (most are 8 teams but can range from 6-9 teams) geographicly. Trinity is in 6-5A. http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) For playoff or even Fine Arts contest purposes, each district belongs to a region.
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v345/lzppjb/Mobile%20Uploads/tx2.jpg)
The smaller classifications are further broken down by Division I and Division II by size. http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm (http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm)
So, how is it done in Arkansas? Is a conference the AR equivalent of a district in TX?
Also, where is the state title game played? Is there a central site each season? Does the site rotate each season or is it just based on who is playing? Are all levels (1A-7A) played at the same site, or does that differ too? Thx.
Quote from: Texas on April 10, 2013, 11:52:26 am
Questions.
In Texas we have classifications (sometimes called conferences) seperating school enrollment sizes (1A-5A). Then the schools are divided into districts (most are 8 teams but can range from 6-9 teams) geographicly. Trinity is in 6-5A. http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) For playoff or even Fine Arts contest purposes, each district belongs to a region.
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v345/lzppjb/Mobile%20Uploads/tx2.jpg)
The smaller classifications are further broken down by Division I and Division II by size. http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm (http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm)
So, how is it done in Arkansas? Is a conference the AR equivalent of a district in TX?
Also, where is the state title game played? Is there a central site each season? Does the site rotate each season or is it just based on who is playing? Are all levels (1A-7A) played at the same site, or does that differ too? Thx.
There are only 16 teams in the 7A and for all practical purposes they are split in to two 8 team divisions and 12 of the 16 teams make the playoffs. The title game is always played in Little Rock.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 10, 2013, 12:50:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 10, 2013, 11:52:26 am
Questions.
In Texas we have classifications (sometimes called conferences) seperating school enrollment sizes (1A-5A). Then the schools are divided into districts (most are 8 teams but can range from 6-9 teams) geographicly. Trinity is in 6-5A. http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) For playoff or even Fine Arts contest purposes, each district belongs to a region.
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v345/lzppjb/Mobile%20Uploads/tx2.jpg)
The smaller classifications are further broken down by Division I and Division II by size. http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm (http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm)
So, how is it done in Arkansas? Is a conference the AR equivalent of a district in TX?
Also, where is the state title game played? Is there a central site each season? Does the site rotate each season or is it just based on who is playing? Are all levels (1A-7A) played at the same site, or does that differ too? Thx.
There are only 16 teams in the 7A and for all practical purposes they are split in to two 8 team divisions and 12 of the 16 teams make the playoffs. The title game is always played in Little Rock.
16 teams in 7A? :o That's just crazy. Trinity's district has 8 schools as is. Is it necessary to have a 7A? I don't know the particulars as to why you couldnt just combine 5-7A or atleast 6 & 7A...16 schools just blows my mind.
Quote from: DPaul on April 10, 2013, 06:06:25 pm
16 teams in 7A? :o That's just crazy. Trinity's district has 8 schools as is. Is it necessary to have a 7A? I don't know the particulars as to why you couldnt just combine 5-7A or atleast 6 & 7A...16 schools just blows my mind.
Crazy? More like reality. I am no AR HS expert. Maybe this will help. http://media.arkansasonline.com/news/documents/2011/04/29/2012-2014_Reclass_Report.pdf (http://media.arkansasonline.com/news/documents/2011/04/29/2012-2014_Reclass_Report.pdf) As you can see there is a huge discrepancy in largest to smallest in 7A. This is true is Texas 5A too. I'm sure the last several teams had to be 7A out of necessity. If AR combined 6A with 7A you'd have 3,000+ student schools vs. barely 800 student schools. Combine 5A-7A you'd have 3,000+ vs. +/-300 student schools.
The bottom line is, AR is not Texas.
Texas has 26,000,000+ residents.
Arkansas has slightly less than 3,000,000 residents. The entire state population is not much larger in population than Dallas (TX) county (2.5 Million).
Texas has 1,400+ public HS's.
Arkansas has less than 300 total HS's public and private. Texas 5A has about 240 schools.
DFW and GHA both have more than twice the population of the entire state of AR.
Welcome to our world, Texas.
I can name four schools currently in Class 6A who are the instigators of why Arkansas has so many classes, and the reason is simple: their administrators make it loud and clear — to their schools, the AAA, anybody that will listen — that their "little bitty" schools can't compete with the big, bad 7A schools. Then they tell their friends in the even smaller schools to vote their way so they don't have to be put with the bigger schools.
I'm sure you'll understand this one. Allen, with its 6,100-plus students, is in the same conference with a school that has about 2,100 — give or take a few on either number. The same is in Oklahoma, where Broken Arrow has 4,600 students and is in the same conference with somebody with 1,500 students or so.
But you try to use that logic to Arkansas, and you quickly get the poodles nipping at your heels. That's the reason we have mixed conferences, rating points systems that only a few in the state understand, and other messes to contend with this year ... and next year too, unfortunately.
I'll even take it a step further and give you another laugh, Texas. Not sure if you know this yet, but in Arkansas' Class 6A, everybody ... that's right, all 16 schools ... go to the playoffs, regardless of records! Last fall, nine of the 16 teams in Class 6A went into postseason play with losing records, and two of them hadn't won a single, solitary game the entire season.
Quote from: Texas on April 10, 2013, 11:52:26 am
Questions.
In Texas we have classifications (sometimes called conferences) seperating school enrollment sizes (1A-5A). Then the schools are divided into districts (most are 8 teams but can range from 6-9 teams) geographicly. Trinity is in 6-5A. http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) For playoff or even Fine Arts contest purposes, each district belongs to a region.
(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v345/lzppjb/Mobile%20Uploads/tx2.jpg)
The smaller classifications are further broken down by Division I and Division II by size. http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm (http://www.1atexasfootball.com/Mapdiv1.htm)
So, how is it done in Arkansas? Is a conference the AR equivalent of a district in TX?
Also, where is the state title game played? Is there a central site each season? Does the site rotate each season or is it just based on who is playing? Are all levels (1A-7A) played at the same site, or does that differ too? Thx.
Arkansas Conferences are 8-10 teams(in the lowest class), 7A-16 teams, 6A-16 teams, 5A-32 teams, 3A and 4A have 48 teams, 2A has the rest of the football teams, 1A is the smallest schools that don't play football.
No divisions for the playoffs.
State title game is in War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock, and has been for as long as I can Remember, 7A should probably be held in NWA, as I'm fairly certain that Fayetteville and Bentonville have made the last 3 title games..
And arkansas has 295 public and private schools in the Arkansas Athletic Association, there's a few private schools that participate in other leagues though.
If your curious here's the classification numbers link (http://www.ahsaa.org/public/docs/2012-2014%20Classifications.pdf)
and the conferences link (http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/2012-14%20Classsifications%20-%20Conferences.pdf)
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
;D so olddog will be a Trinity fan Sept 20th huh? Love it.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on April 10, 2013, 11:43:33 pm
Welcome to our world, Texas.
I can name four schools currently in Class 6A who are the instigators of why Arkansas has so many classes, and the reason is simple: their administrators make it loud and clear — to their schools, the AAA, anybody that will listen — that their "little bitty" schools can't compete with the big, bad 7A schools. Then they tell their friends in the even smaller schools to vote their way so they don't have to be put with the bigger schools.
I'm sure you'll understand this one. Allen, with its 6,100-plus students, is in the same conference with a school that has about 2,100 — give or take a few on either number. The same is in Oklahoma, where Broken Arrow has 4,600 students and is in the same conference with somebody with 1,500 students or so.
But you try to use that logic to Arkansas, and you quickly get the poodles nipping at your heels. That's the reason we have mixed conferences, rating points systems that only a few in the state understand, and other messes to contend with this year ... and next year too, unfortunately.
I'll even take it a step further and give you another laugh, Texas. Not sure if you know this yet, but in Arkansas' Class 6A, everybody ... that's right, all 16 schools ... go to the playoffs, regardless of records! Last fall, nine of the 16 teams in Class 6A went into postseason play with losing records, and two of them hadn't won a single, solitary game the entire season.
??? ::) :o :'(
Mixed emotions. It is very difficult not to laugh. It's kinda sad too. As a sports fan, it makes me mad to hear that, and I'm an outsider. What is the point then of the regular season games? It is true that, based on population, AR has far too many classes, if there are only going to be 16 teams in a particular class. I just don't know how you could solve the problem since the schools that do have very high enrollments would seemingly have far too great an advantage over schools with less than 800 students or whatever.
The AAA( Arkansas activities association) is a worthless organization, Texas.
There should be class 2A-5a in Arkansas. Period. Big schools all in 5A which includes ALL of the 6a/7a teams then the rest fall into place.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 12, 2013, 01:08:00 am
The AAA( Arkansas activities association) is a worthless organization, Texas.
There should be class 2A-5a in Arkansas. Period. Big schools all in 5A which includes ALL of the 6a/7a teams then the rest fall into place.
Of course, he failed to mention to you, that the schools make up the rules and vote on them in the AAA.
I know.
The AAA needs to garnish a backbone and say tough. This is how it's going to be. If you don't like it tough.
Here we go again. The point of the regular season in Arkansas high school football is that this is ARKANSAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL. It's an extracurricular activity for a lot of kids. It's school spirit. Blah, blah, blah. 99.99999% of these kids will never play the game past high school. The level of football, across the board, in this state is pee wee league compared to Texas. The regular season games still determine seedings, don't they? So the 1 seed gets to knock off one of those winless teams in the first round. Then you are down the 8 teams that should be there anyway.
All this talk of the AAA, juice boxes and so forth just indicates that a lot of people need to get some perspective about what Arkansas High School football really is.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 12, 2013, 10:44:25 am
I know.
The AAA needs to garnish a backbone and say tough. This is how it's going to be. If you don't like it tough.
You mean the member schools need some backbone? Would you be in favor of three divisions, 100-300, 301-900, 901-to whatever Bennie is?
Quote from: ricepig on April 12, 2013, 11:02:32 am
Quote from: AirWarren on April 12, 2013, 10:44:25 am
I know.
The AAA needs to garnish a backbone and say tough. This is how it's going to be. If you don't like it tough.
You mean the member schools need some backbone? Would you be in favor of three divisions, 100-300, 301-900, 901-to whatever Bennie is?
I would
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
so I don't have to listen to how great Texas football is for 6 months. Its bad enough having bville go on and on.
Quote from: olddog79 on April 12, 2013, 12:44:53 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
so I don't have to listen to how great Texas football is for 6 months. Its bad enough having bville go on and on.
+1 olddog, I'm hoping BG or Eddie makes a Childs board for this, it will get old by Sept.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
swing and a miss....thanks for playing!
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
Quote from: olddog79 on April 12, 2013, 01:33:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
swing and a miss....thanks for playing!
Okay , then why would HOPE we play early, when you know it will be one of the first three games of the year for Bentonville.. isn't that by definition early?
Quote from: ricepig on April 12, 2013, 11:02:32 am
Quote from: AirWarren on April 12, 2013, 10:44:25 am
I know.
The AAA needs to garnish a backbone and say tough. This is how it's going to be. If you don't like it tough.
You mean the member schools need some backbone? Would you be in favor of three divisions, 100-300, 301-900, 901-to whatever Bennie is?
Sure.
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 12, 2013, 02:44:55 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 12, 2013, 01:33:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
swing and a miss....thanks for playing!
Okay , then why would HOPE we play early, when you know it will be one of the first three games of the year for Bentonville.. isn't that by definition early?
See my reply to Dpaul. It's 5 post above this one.
Quote from: olddog79 on April 12, 2013, 05:56:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 12, 2013, 02:44:55 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 12, 2013, 01:33:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 11, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 06:36:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on April 11, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 11, 2013, 02:15:14 pm
Okay I knew there had to be a logical reason behind it but as a fan of Texas high school football and Texas high school football only I'm kinda stuck in that world. So yea if that's all your familiar with then yea 17 schools in the highest classification comes off as shocking. Thank God for Texas high school football.
Oh yeah...I get a thrill up my leg everytime I think about it. ::)
I hope you guys play bville early in the season.
Week 3 for us.
Why do you want it to be an early game?
Olddog just wants you to beat us up because Bentonville has mud stomped them in the ground the last several years. The games aren't even close..
swing and a miss....thanks for playing!
Okay , then why would HOPE we play early, when you know it will be one of the first three games of the year for Bentonville.. isn't that by definition early?
See my reply to Dpaul. It's 5 post above this one.
Okay I guess, Bentonville will lose their first game next year, before they ever meet Trinity.
Quote from: phdefense on April 12, 2013, 02:33:56 pm
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
I assume you are referring to "Euless"? I've heard that all my life. We go by Trinity, the name of the school.
I can accommodate you if you just want to talk trash, but I have the propensity to be classy when talking to opponents. I (personally) have been on the losing end, so I know what it feels like. I also have talked trash and failed to back it up (as a cocky youth). Neither is a good feeling. Mostly I don't like the "told you so" attitude. Rubbing it in. So I try to stay objective and consider the possibility that my team is not invincible. The possibilities are endless. Bville could be the equivilant of a solid playoff team in Texas. They could be better than any team in Texas or they could be the equivilant of a pathetic team in Texas. So many unknowns. That is why we play the game. Like I said, I am confident. If my team does lose, they won't be limping home. That I can guarantee. If anyone is limping the next day, it will be Bville players. Trinity is known as a very tough, physical team. Heck, one of the team mottos is, IAR2 (IAR squared) which means, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right.". Trinity's physicality (is that a word?) is one of the main reasons they go OOS a lot, because their repution in Texas of being a rough team precedes them. Texas teams know, and don't want to be beat up so early in the season. I'm not making a prediction, just saying Bville better figure out a way to prepare for that aspect of the game.
Just to clarify. I know you didn't mean that literally. Also, don't equate what I said about Trinity being rough, tough and physical with playing dirty. Trinity is not dirty. They just play until the whistle blows. They will hit/push/tackle a guy who is one foot from the sideline about to step out of bounds. They don't take cheap shots, just play until the whistle blows.
Quote from: Texas on April 12, 2013, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: phdefense on April 12, 2013, 02:33:56 pm
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
I assume you are referring to "Euless"? I've heard that all my life. We go by Trinity, the name of the school.
I can accommodate you if you just want to talk trash, but I have the propensity to be classy when talking to opponents. I (personally) have been on the losing end, so I know what it feels like. I also have talked trash and failed to back it up (as a cocky youth). Neither is a good feeling. Mostly I don't like the "told you so" attitude. Rubbing it in. So I try to stay objective and consider the possibility that my team is not invincible. The possibilities are endless. Bville could be the equivilant of a solid playoff team in Texas. They could be better than any team in Texas or they could be the equivilant of a pathetic team in Texas. So many unknowns. That is why we play the game. Like I said, I am confident. If my team does lose, they won't be limping home. That I can guarantee. If anyone is limping the next day, it will be Bville players. Trinity is known as a very tough, physical team. Heck, one of the team mottos is, IAR2 (IAR squared) which means, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right.". Trinity's physicality (is that a word?) is one of the main reasons they go OOS a lot, because their repution in Texas of being a rough team precedes them. Texas teams know, and don't want to be beat up so early in the season. I'm not making a prediction, just saying Bville better figure out a way to prepare for that aspect of the game.
Just to clarify. I know you didn't mean that literally. Also, don't equate what I said about Trinity being rough, tough and physical with playing dirty. Trinity is not dirty. They just play until the whistle blows. They will hit/push/tackle a guy who is one foot from the sideline about to step out of bounds. They don't take cheap shots, just play until the whistle blows.
Yep. IAR2
Yawn, next..............sorry TT
Quote from: ricepig on April 13, 2013, 11:05:02 am
Yawn, next..............sorry TT
rice....are you in Fayetteville this weekend..??
:edit: Oops....I guess that I could have asked that in a PM.....my bad
Quote from: Baitshop on April 13, 2013, 11:40:37 am
Quote from: ricepig on April 13, 2013, 11:05:02 am
Yawn, next..............sorry TT
rice....are you in Fayetteville this weekend..??
:edit: Oops....I guess that I could have asked that in a PM.....my bad
Nope, going to try and come up next weekend.
Quote from: Texas on April 12, 2013, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: phdefense on April 12, 2013, 02:33:56 pm
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
I assume you are referring to "Euless"? I've heard that all my life. We go by Trinity, the name of the school.
I can accommodate you if you just want to talk trash, but I have the propensity to be classy when talking to opponents. I (personally) have been on the losing end, so I know what it feels like. I also have talked trash and failed to back it up (as a cocky youth). Neither is a good feeling. Mostly I don't like the "told you so" attitude. Rubbing it in. So I try to stay objective and consider the possibility that my team is not invincible. The possibilities are endless. Bville could be the equivilant of a solid playoff team in Texas. They could be better than any team in Texas or they could be the equivilant of a pathetic team in Texas. So many unknowns. That is why we play the game. Like I said, I am confident. If my team does lose, they won't be limping home. That I can guarantee. If anyone is limping the next day, it will be Bville players. Trinity is known as a very tough, physical team. Heck, one of the team mottos is, IAR2 (IAR squared) which means, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right.". Trinity's physicality (is that a word?) is one of the main reasons they go OOS a lot, because their repution in Texas of being a rough team precedes them. Texas teams know, and don't want to be beat up so early in the season. I'm not making a prediction, just saying Bville better figure out a way to prepare for that aspect of the game.
Just to clarify. I know you didn't mean that literally. Also, don't equate what I said about Trinity being rough, tough and physical with playing dirty. Trinity is not dirty. They just play until the whistle blows. They will hit/push/tackle a guy who is one foot from the sideline about to step out of bounds. They don't take cheap shots, just play until the whistle blows.
Calm down Francis I was jokingly paraphrasing "The Nutty Professor"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWKbiV9hCWM
Quote from: phdefense on April 13, 2013, 03:40:53 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 12, 2013, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: phdefense on April 12, 2013, 02:33:56 pm
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
I assume you are referring to "Euless"? I've heard that all my life. We go by Trinity, the name of the school.
I can accommodate you if you just want to talk trash, but I have the propensity to be classy when talking to opponents. I (personally) have been on the losing end, so I know what it feels like. I also have talked trash and failed to back it up (as a cocky youth). Neither is a good feeling. Mostly I don't like the "told you so" attitude. Rubbing it in. So I try to stay objective and consider the possibility that my team is not invincible. The possibilities are endless. Bville could be the equivilant of a solid playoff team in Texas. They could be better than any team in Texas or they could be the equivilant of a pathetic team in Texas. So many unknowns. That is why we play the game. Like I said, I am confident. If my team does lose, they won't be limping home. That I can guarantee. If anyone is limping the next day, it will be Bville players. Trinity is known as a very tough, physical team. Heck, one of the team mottos is, IAR2 (IAR squared) which means, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right.". Trinity's physicality (is that a word?) is one of the main reasons they go OOS a lot, because their repution in Texas of being a rough team precedes them. Texas teams know, and don't want to be beat up so early in the season. I'm not making a prediction, just saying Bville better figure out a way to prepare for that aspect of the game.
Just to clarify. I know you didn't mean that literally. Also, don't equate what I said about Trinity being rough, tough and physical with playing dirty. Trinity is not dirty. They just play until the whistle blows. They will hit/push/tackle a guy who is one foot from the sideline about to step out of bounds. They don't take cheap shots, just play until the whistle blows.
Calm down Francis I was jokingly paraphrasing "The Nutty Professor"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWKbiV9hCWM
It's cool. I'm not upset or fired up. No need to calm down.
It's still early in the season! ;) LOL!
Have you read The Rules to Survive Fearless Friday?
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 13, 2013, 08:34:34 pm
It's still early in the season! ;) LOL!
Have you read The Rules to Survive Fearless Friday?
:-\ No, but I'll get right on that. 8)
Quote from: Texas on April 13, 2013, 07:45:58 pm
Quote from: phdefense on April 13, 2013, 03:40:53 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 12, 2013, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: phdefense on April 12, 2013, 02:33:56 pm
Come on Useless , come on. You be walking up here but you be limp'n back. Come on Useless, come on
I assume you are referring to "Euless"? I've heard that all my life. We go by Trinity, the name of the school.
I can accommodate you if you just want to talk trash, but I have the propensity to be classy when talking to opponents. I (personally) have been on the losing end, so I know what it feels like. I also have talked trash and failed to back it up (as a cocky youth). Neither is a good feeling. Mostly I don't like the "told you so" attitude. Rubbing it in. So I try to stay objective and consider the possibility that my team is not invincible. The possibilities are endless. Bville could be the equivilant of a solid playoff team in Texas. They could be better than any team in Texas or they could be the equivilant of a pathetic team in Texas. So many unknowns. That is why we play the game. Like I said, I am confident. If my team does lose, they won't be limping home. That I can guarantee. If anyone is limping the next day, it will be Bville players. Trinity is known as a very tough, physical team. Heck, one of the team mottos is, IAR2 (IAR squared) which means, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right.". Trinity's physicality (is that a word?) is one of the main reasons they go OOS a lot, because their repution in Texas of being a rough team precedes them. Texas teams know, and don't want to be beat up so early in the season. I'm not making a prediction, just saying Bville better figure out a way to prepare for that aspect of the game.
Just to clarify. I know you didn't mean that literally. Also, don't equate what I said about Trinity being rough, tough and physical with playing dirty. Trinity is not dirty. They just play until the whistle blows. They will hit/push/tackle a guy who is one foot from the sideline about to step out of bounds. They don't take cheap shots, just play until the whistle blows.
Calm down Francis I was jokingly paraphrasing "The Nutty Professor"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWKbiV9hCWM
It's cool. I'm not upset or fired up. No need to calm down.
Good boy now go buy a a sense of humor in one of those big ole stores yall got down there.
Daaaang. This is going to get good......
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on April 17, 2013, 01:56:33 pm
Daaaang. This is going to get good......
Dude, you have no idea how we roll around here.....when the season starts this is not a place for the weak of heart....if you thin skinned or easily offended, you are in the wrong place....
Welcome to Thunderdome..!!
Quote from: Baitshop on April 17, 2013, 02:43:22 pm
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on April 17, 2013, 01:56:33 pm
Daaaang. This is going to get good......
Dude, you have no idea how we roll around here.....when the season starts this is not a place for the weak of heart....if you thin skinned or easily offended, you are in the wrong place....
Welcome to Thunderdome..!!
Guess we will see how tough they make'em in Texas... ;)
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 17, 2013, 05:09:45 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on April 17, 2013, 02:43:22 pm
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on April 17, 2013, 01:56:33 pm
Daaaang. This is going to get good......
Dude, you have no idea how we roll around here.....when the season starts this is not a place for the weak of heart....if you thin skinned or easily offended, you are in the wrong place....
Welcome to Thunderdome..!!
Guess we will see how tough they make'em in Texas... ;)
I guess so.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 17, 2013, 05:09:45 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on April 17, 2013, 02:43:22 pm
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on April 17, 2013, 01:56:33 pm
Daaaang. This is going to get good......
Dude, you have no idea how we roll around here.....when the season starts this is not a place for the weak of heart....if you thin skinned or easily offended, you are in the wrong place....
Welcome to Thunderdome..!!
Guess we will see how tough they make'em in Texas... ;)
I can't think of anything to fear. Sticks and stones...
LOL!! All of you guys are big ole' teddy bears. Almost Everyone on this board are some of the nicest guys on here.
All of them have been exceptionally kind and helped me here on FF.
You will see. :)
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 17, 2013, 10:49:27 pm
LOL!! All of you guys are big ole' teddy bears. Almost Everyone on this board are some of the nicest guys on here.
All of them have been exceptionally kind and helped me here on FF.
You will see. :)
I've been to Cowboys vs. Eagles, Cowboys vs. Redskins, Cowboys vs. Giants, Mavs vs. Lakers, Mavs vs. Spurs, Rangers vs. Yankees, Texas vs. OU, Texas vs. Texas Tech, Trinity at Allen, Trinity vs. Southlake Carrol, Trinity vs. Coppell, Trinity vs. Bell (back when Bell was actually good) games. Just to name a few. Pretty sure I can handle whatever comes my way. 8)
It will be a great game for both programs. Trinity been on a good run the past few years.
Quote from: Texas on April 18, 2013, 12:29:15 am
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 17, 2013, 10:49:27 pm
LOL!! All of you guys are big ole' teddy bears. Almost Everyone on this board are some of the nicest guys on here.
All of them have been exceptionally kind and helped me here on FF.
You will see. :)
I've been to Cowboys vs. Eagles, Cowboys vs. Redskins, Cowboys vs. Giants, Mavs vs. Lakers, Mavs vs. Spurs, Rangers vs. Yankees, Texas vs. OU, Texas vs. Texas Tech, Trinity at Allen, Trinity vs. Southlake Carrol, Trinity vs. Coppell, Trinity vs. Bell (back when Bell was actually good) games. Just to name a few. Pretty sure I can handle whatever comes my way. 8)
I can't think of anything they could even say that would be so harsh. It's Arkansas for Godsake.
Quote from: Lions84 on April 18, 2013, 09:05:01 am
It will be a great game for both programs. Trinity been on a good run the past few years.
So has Bentonville, I should be a good game. May have been a better game a few years ago but who knows it's High school football, gotta play with what ya got when ya gotta play. Game on...
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Earl is right....when I first met Mrs. Earl, I was looking around for her seeing eye dog.....no woman that attractive would ever marry Earl from what you see from the waist up..... 8)
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 18, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Ain't you from the carolinas boy, maybe gamecock has a different meaning than what they say on sports center. ;)
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 18, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Earl is right....when I first met Mrs. Earl, I was looking around for her seeing eye dog.....no woman that attractive would ever marry Earl from what you see from the waist up..... 8)
::)
That's so gay!
I'm not sure what you two have going on, but I'd just assume NOT hear about it.
Hey Tex....
You realize that you will have to change your little TEXAS Where HS Football is King statement when Bentonville beats your team right?
That's FF Rule #101.
DPaul...I Love Arkansas...thanks. :)
Quote from: Texas on April 18, 2013, 07:23:29 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 18, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Earl is right....when I first met Mrs. Earl, I was looking around for her seeing eye dog.....no woman that attractive would ever marry Earl from what you see from the waist up..... 8)
::)
That's so gay!
If that's you best shot, you're in big trouble when the season starts here on FF....
Now if I had a toothless woman fetish I would be very envious of Arkansas.
Quote from: DPaul on April 18, 2013, 09:55:49 pm
Now if I had a toothless woman fetish I would be very envious of Arkansas.
Let's leave your sister out of this.
Quote from: DPaul on April 18, 2013, 09:55:49 pm
Now if I had a toothless woman fetish I would be very envious of Arkansas.
Wow....I see that "weak" must be in the water down there in the Mid-Cities.....
You know, I lived in North Richland Hills for 14 years and you boys seemed a bit more creative back then....
You boys need to stick to the "Chutes and Ladders" board....you don't have enough game to hang on the 7A board....
This is getting good :D
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 08:59:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 18, 2013, 07:23:29 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 18, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Earl is right....when I first met Mrs. Earl, I was looking around for her seeing eye dog.....no woman that attractive would ever marry Earl from what you see from the waist up..... 8)
::)
That's so gay!
If that's you best shot, you're in big trouble when the season starts here on FF....
Nah.
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 10:21:09 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 18, 2013, 09:55:49 pm
Now if I had a toothless woman fetish I would be very envious of Arkansas.
Wow....I see that "weak" must be in the water down their in the Mid-Cities.....
You know, I lived in North Richland Hills for 14 years and you boys seemed a bit more creative back then....
You boys need to stick to the "Chutes and Ladders" board....you don't have enough game to hang on the 7A board....
??? I have yet to hear impressive examples. Is there a thread y'all can point me to, cause I'm getting nothing from you guys directly.
Just hang in there Tex. Before you know it, we will have pictures of your head coach in bed with Bill Clinton playing hide the cigar a la Monica Lewinski.
You'll know when it is game time. We have been known to trigger team meetings for the opposition to put to rest "rumors" that somehow get started.
Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 19, 2013, 11:25:25 am
Just hang in there Tex. Before you know it, we will have pictures of your head coach in bed with Bill Clinton playing hide the cigar a la Monica Lewinski.
You'll know when it is game time. We have been known to trigger team meetings for the opposition to put to rest "rumors" that somehow get started.
Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that...
Well if it's a picture game then y'all win. I'm terrible at the photoshop business. But it is comical to hear how "weak" something is as the only reply back. Oh the irony...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 19, 2013, 11:25:25 am
Just hang in there Tex. Before you know it, we will have pictures of your head coach in bed with Bill Clinton playing hide the cigar a la Monica Lewinski.
You'll know when it is game time. We have been known to trigger team meetings for the opposition to put to rest "rumors" that somehow get started.
Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that...
I wasn't going to bring up Clinton and his ties to Arkansas. Seems like a low blow. Or should I say it seems like a Lewinski.
Quote from: Texas on April 19, 2013, 06:34:41 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 19, 2013, 11:25:25 am
Just hang in there Tex. Before you know it, we will have pictures of your head coach in bed with Bill Clinton playing hide the cigar a la Monica Lewinski.
You'll know when it is game time. We have been known to trigger team meetings for the opposition to put to rest "rumors" that somehow get started.
Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that...
I wasn't going to bring up Clinton and his ties to Arkansas. Seems like a low blow. Or should I say it seems like a Lewinski.
There isn't two Democrats in Bentonville, it won't hurt their feelings any.
All of the Democrats in Bentonville work at Wal-Mart and speak with a north of the Mason-Dixon accent....
Quote from: Baitshop on April 19, 2013, 09:18:13 pm
All of the Democrats in Bentonville work at Wal-Mart and speak with a north of the Mason-Dixon accent....
That figures. ::)
So what region is the best high school football played in Arkansas? In Texas it's North Central aka the DFW area.
You will be playing in the hotbed for football in the State of Arkansas....
In the states largest classification, since 2006, every State Champion has come from the 7A West....AND, three of those Championships were won by the 4 seed from the West...
The 7A West is the SEC West of Arkansas football....
Awesome love it.
Is Bentonville on the verge of winning State yet? I don't think they've ever won a title yet have they? Just runner-ups.
Quote from: DPaul on April 20, 2013, 02:00:32 pm
Awesome love it.
Is Bentonville on the verge of winning State yet? I don't think they've ever won a title yet have they? Just runner-ups.
They have three titles. The last was 2010, but yes, lately they have been brides maids.
Oh okay, pretty impressive.
2001
2008
2010
Then lost to Fayetteville in 2011 and 2012 in the title game.
Not too shabby.
Quote from: DPaul on April 20, 2013, 05:31:03 pm
Oh okay, pretty impressive.
2001
2008
2010
Then lost to Fayetteville in 2011 and 2012 in the title game.
Not too shabby.
At least success wise, Bentonville and Trinity are very similar.
Trinity
State Titles: 2005, 2007, 2009
State Finalist: 2010 (6th round of 6)
Semi-Finals: 2001, 2004 (5th round)
Quarter-Finals: 2008 (4th round)
From 2004 to 2010 Trinity either won the state title or lost to the eventual state champion. That is seven seasons in a row. Going back to 2001, make that eight seasons out of ten.
Is this all under the same Head Coach at Trinity? Just curious.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on April 21, 2013, 07:53:58 am
Is this all under the same Head Coach at Trinity? Just curious.
Yes. Steve Lineweaver, Trinity coach since 2000.
Other coaching experience; Commerce (HC) 1993-1999 (83-14-2) 7 Playoff Teams in 7-Years and won State in '99.
Asst. Coach at Southlake Carroll 1985-1992 (7 Playoff Teams in 8-Years)
If anyone's interested here's a small interview I found with Coach Lineweaver.
Lineweaver Interview (http://www.gotinterviews.com/coach-lineweaver-interview-trinity-trojan-football-head-coach/)
I'd like to compliment Bentonville on their website. It is well put together and looks professional. Ours is lame as heck and contains hardly any helpful information.
Quote from: Texas on April 21, 2013, 04:44:47 pm
I'd like to compliment Bentonville on their website. It is well put together and looks professional. Ours is lame as heck and contains hardly any helpful information.
We pay a college recruiting rules violating loser from Springdale to run it for us. Give them a call. Pinnacle Pimps is the name of the company...
Here are just a few highlights of #30 Antonio Franklin and #27 (#25 & #7 as well) Isaac Ellsworth. These are the two track guys on the team, that were both juniors last season. These highlights show their incredible speed.
Franklin: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531984/ (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531984/)
Ellsworth: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531976/highlights/33928374 (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531976/highlights/33928374)
You can look at other highlights as well. Just click on the highlight video you want to watch down below. Ellsworth has a lot more highlights. I believe that is because he had a lot more plays than Franklin. Ellsworth played on JV for many of these videos. Franklin was on Varsity all season, so didn't see nearly as much PT. They are both equally as fast top gear. Franklin seems more explosive and gets to his top speed almost right away.
Wow! That Ellsworth kid is gonna be tough Bennie must play discipline and stay in their lanes on the backside or this kid will get national player of the year on this game alone!
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 22, 2013, 04:38:28 pm
Wow! That Ellsworth kid is gonna be tough Bennie must play discipline and stay in their lanes on the backside or this kid will get national player of the year on this game alone!
I'm a known Pine Bluff fan I don't even care anymore! ;)
Quote from: Baitshop on April 20, 2013, 11:41:14 am
You will be playing in the hotbed for football in the State of Arkansas....
In the states largest classification, since 2006, every State Champion has come from the 7A West....AND, three of those Championships were won by the 4 seed from the West...
The 7A West is the SEC West of Arkansas football....
HA.
Quote from: AirWarren on April 22, 2013, 05:02:31 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on April 20, 2013, 11:41:14 am
You will be playing in the hotbed for football in the State of Arkansas....
In the states largest classification, since 2006, every State Champion has come from the 7A West....AND, three of those Championships were won by the 4 seed from the West...
The 7A West is the SEC West of Arkansas football....
HA.
Hey Bigger is better and you know that cause I told you so! ;) :)
TE #40 Will Taylor Class of 2014
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817326/ (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/817326/)
DT #96 Eddie Ngungutau Class of 2014
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1417593/ (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1417593/)
LB #24 Turner Woolley Clas of 2014
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472230/ (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472230/)
RB #22 Homer Babcock Class of 2014
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531945/ (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/531945/)
Homer Babcock (yes, that is his real name ;)) is more of a feature back. The kind of back that is a work horse you'd give the ball to 20+ carries a game. Hard to bring down. Durable.
I hear ya Billy!
Quote from: Billyo62 on April 22, 2013, 04:46:04 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on April 22, 2013, 04:38:28 pm
Wow! That Ellsworth kid is gonna be tough Bennie must play discipline and stay in their lanes on the backside or this kid will get national player of the year on this game alone!
I'm a known Pine Bluff fan I don't even care anymore! ;)
I am not saying anything that your coaching staff will be saying. To be honest anyone that plays them better take my advice can't give that kid cut back lanes. On the positive Bennie is known for playing discipline defense.
Now we back cool ???
Billy,
FWIW, Broken Arrow has got a strong senior class this season...their QB (who's got the physical abilities to be a DI QB) has been recruited by OU and Michigan among others. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansas/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results;_ylt=AhIsSsw_vZVWYFbocIKh0KH3q5B4?sport=football&year=2014&highschool_text=Broken+Arrow&highschools=17632&state=Oklahoma)
MAN, I hope BHS has a strong team this season.
Quote from: OPoraquê on April 22, 2013, 10:55:28 pm
Billy,
FWIW, Broken Arrow has got a strong senior class this season...their QB (who's got the physical abilities to be a DI QB) has been recruited by OU and Michigan among others. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansas/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results;_ylt=AhIsSsw_vZVWYFbocIKh0KH3q5B4?sport=football&year=2014&highschool_text=Broken+Arrow&highschools=17632&state=Oklahoma)
MAN, I hope BHS has a strong team this season.
We will find out in about 2 wks.
Just got in from spring practice.
Can you spell or pronounce any of the OL or DL guys names..??..??
Quote from: Baitshop on April 25, 2013, 06:50:48 pm
Can you spell or pronounce any of the OL or DL guys names..??..??
Ha Ha! Valid point. Actually, since I went to school with Tongans from Jr. high on, and have been watching Trinity games for the past 30+ years, yes. Some of them. Their language (Tongan), where their names come from is a Polynesian dialect, so like Hawaiian, it is heavy on the vowels.
Here are some easy ones.
Pahulu - puh-hulu (hulu like the dance)
Kautai - cow-tie
Tevi - teh-vee
Katoa - kuh-toe-uh
Here are some very difficult ones. I have to sound them out.
Uhatafe - ooo-hah-tah-fee
Ngungutau - in-gung-ooo-tow (like how with a t not an h)
Makahununiu - mah-kah-ooo-noo-nee-ooo (not really sure about that one)
Moeakiola - mow-ah-key-oh-lah
Like I said, I've been around Tongans most of my life.
Here are a few articles about our little Tongan community in Euless and at Trinity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/sports/09iht-TONGANS.1.16810356.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/sports/09iht-TONGANS.1.16810356.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95295728 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95295728)
There are many more articles out there.
Very informative. +1 8)
I couldn't pronounce all those names...and yes I know I'm from Arkansas :)
I just wonder what our poor little annoucer is going to do.... he already butchers Hekili Keliiliki.. ;D
Quote from: 2bhsboys on April 26, 2013, 09:00:16 am
I just wonder what our poor little annoucer is going to do.... he already butchers Hekili Keliiliki.. ;D
Who doesn't? I just called him HK last year.. I can say that.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on April 26, 2013, 09:00:16 am
I just wonder what our poor little annoucer is going to do.... he already butchers Hekili Keliiliki.. ;D
I've heard announcers in mid-name just give up.
When I am announcing games and I can't pronounce the young man or woman's name, I just call the player by his/her number and wait for their Momma to start yelling the pronunciation to me....
Quote from: Baitshop on April 26, 2013, 02:02:01 pm
When I am announcing games and I can't pronounce the young man or woman's name, I just call the player by his/her number and wait for their Momma to start yelling the pronunciation to me....
Don't do any football games, but help out with baseball, I always tell the PA guy that their mother or one of their fans will be knocking on the press box door if it's not right
had the announcer at hs softball game last night come out to ask us how to pronounce one of our player names....seemed obvious to me, Nepomuceno
Quote from: 3sportkid on April 26, 2013, 02:47:57 pm
had the announcer at hs softball game last night come out to ask us how to pronounce one of our player names....seemed obvious to me, Nepomuceno
Neh po moo see no..??
Quote from: DPaul on April 26, 2013, 12:37:50 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on April 26, 2013, 09:00:16 am
I just wonder what our poor little annoucer is going to do.... he already butchers Hekili Keliiliki.. ;D
I've heard announcers in mid-name just give up.
Yes. Road games are always entertaining for that aspect alone.
Was out at Spring practice again today. They were just doing Special Teams drills, since only two coaches were there. The players on the track team and the rest of the football coaches are in Lubbock at the Region 1 track final.
Me and a friend spoke to Coach Lineweaver after practice. He is really excited about his players this upcoming season. Really high on the QB (JV last season). Tongan QB To'a Maumau. Anyway, we chatted with him for about ten minutes. Really nice approachable guy. When you talk to Coach L, he speaks to you like you've been friends for 20 years. I'll admit I do disagree with him on some decisions, philosophies and play calling at times, but as a person, there couldn't be a nicer guy.
Quote from: Texas on April 26, 2013, 07:54:00 pm
Quote from: DPaul on April 26, 2013, 12:37:50 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on April 26, 2013, 09:00:16 am
I just wonder what our poor little annoucer is going to do.... he already butchers Hekili Keliiliki.. ;D
I've heard announcers in mid-name just give up.
Yes. Road games are always entertaining for that aspect alone.
Favorite was "the whataburger announcer guy" at Birdville a couple years ago. When he talked you could hear the 'ol West in his voice. He had much trouble with our roster...lol
Quote from: Baitshop on April 26, 2013, 06:25:32 pm
Quote from: 3sportkid on April 26, 2013, 02:47:57 pm
had the announcer at hs softball game last night come out to ask us how to pronounce one of our player names....seemed obvious to me, Nepomuceno
Neh po moo see no..??
Nep a mah see no
I took some pictures out at Spring Practice today. Our Indoor Practice Facility is almost completed. It just needs some work on the field surface.
I'd love to share the pics. Any technical Wizards know how to transfer pics from an iPad to a message board? ???
Quote from: Baitshop on April 26, 2013, 06:25:32 pm
Quote from: 3sportkid on April 26, 2013, 02:47:57 pm
had the announcer at hs softball game last night come out to ask us how to pronounce one of our player names....seemed obvious to me, Nepomuceno
Neh po moo see no..??
Nepa-muh-ceno
Bentonville will have one loss before week 3 when we play Trinity.
We might have 2
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Like every Springdale football season since 2005?
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Yep. No big deal really. Yall should handle business easily and revenge the Arkansas Massacre of '10.
Quote from: DPaul on May 01, 2013, 06:14:42 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Yep. No big deal really. Yall should handle business easily and revenge the Arkansas Massacre of '10.
I think so after what I have been witnessing in spring practice lately.
;
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on May 01, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Like every Springdale football season since 2005?
Hey now....we were competitive in '06 too dad gummit....and don't you forget it!
BTW, I think you are all sandbaggin anyway ;)
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 07:29:29 pm
;Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on May 01, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Like every Springdale football season since 2005?
Hey now....we were competitive in '06 too dad gummit....and don't you forget it!
BTW, I think you are all sandbaggin anyway ;)
Sandbagging? What's that? Doesn't sound like something we would do.
Quote from: DPaul on May 01, 2013, 07:58:45 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 07:29:29 pm
;Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on May 01, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Like every Springdale football season since 2005?
Hey now....we were competitive in '06 too dad gummit....and don't you forget it!
BTW, I think you are all sandbaggin anyway ;)
Sandbagging? What's that? Doesn't sound like something we would do.
Is that something Trinity fans are known for?
Yes.
Doesn't necessarily mean every comment is sandbagging though.
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 08:59:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on April 18, 2013, 07:23:29 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on April 18, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
Pffftttt...
Texas is full of _ _ _ _. Only thing big in Texas are egos and all those sissies running around. Shoot, my wife is a Texas girl and even she fell for that "Everything is bigger in Texas" bull. That is until she met me, if you know what I mean.
Ask Bait. He has met her. Do you think Earl could ever bag such a hottie if he didn't have some hidden "talent"?
Quote from: Baitshop on April 18, 2013, 05:40:29 pm
Earl is right....when I first met Mrs. Earl, I was looking around for her seeing eye dog.....no woman that attractive would ever marry Earl from what you see from the waist up..... 8)
::)
That's so gay!
If that's you best shot, you're in big trouble when the season starts here on FF....
Well you two got him thinking about the wrong thing and he got all excited. I knew Earl and you were talking Benjamin's .
....because, at our age, it's all about the Benjamin's.....
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 01, 2013, 01:33:46 pm
Bentonville will have one loss before week 3 when we play Trinity.
Meh....We are pretty easy to gameplan. Being that we have as of yet not discovered the verticle pass aspect of modern football, you just have to stop the run.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan on May 02, 2013, 02:35:22 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 01, 2013, 01:33:46 pm
Bentonville will have one loss before week 3 when we play Trinity.
Meh....We are pretty easy to gameplan. Being that we have as of yet not discovered the verticle pass aspect of modern football, you just have to stop the run.
Easier said than done...
An example of NOT sandbagging.
I like how the texicans think they need to explain everything all the while being completely oblivious to the fact that the Arkansas posters are sand bagging on the dialogues for now.
Quote from: phdefense on May 03, 2013, 07:12:16 pm
I like how the texicans think they need to explain everything all the while being completely oblivious to the fact that the Arkansas posters are sand bagging on the dialogues for now.
Shhhh....it's a trap...
Quote from: Texas on May 01, 2013, 09:43:41 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 01, 2013, 07:58:45 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 07:29:29 pm
;Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on May 01, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
Quote from: olddog79 on May 01, 2013, 04:01:53 pm
Suddenly this game is becoming "no big deal"
NEXT.....
Like every Springdale football season since 2005?
Hey now....we were competitive in '06 too dad gummit....and don't you forget it!
BTW, I think you are all sandbaggin anyway ;)
Sandbagging? What's that? Doesn't sound like something we would do.
Is that something Trinity fans are known for?
Yes.
Doesn't necessarily mean every comment is sandbagging though.
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Quote from: Texas on May 06, 2013, 09:58:15 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Does that include the Trojan kid that intentionally hammered the ref a few years ago?
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 06, 2013, 04:15:17 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 06, 2013, 09:58:15 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Does that include the Trojan kid that intentionally hammered the ref a few years ago?
Nah. He is long since gone. Probably some of his cousins though. Not exactly a proud moment for us fans.
Quote from: Texas on May 07, 2013, 02:49:20 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 06, 2013, 04:15:17 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 06, 2013, 09:58:15 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Does that include the Trojan kid that intentionally hammered the ref a few years ago?
Nah. He is long since gone. Probably some of his cousins though. Not exactly a proud moment for us fans.
That was crazy.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 06, 2013, 04:15:17 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 06, 2013, 09:58:15 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Does that include the Trojan kid that intentionally hammered the ref a few years ago?
That took place in '08 at the end of the Allen game.
Quote from: DPaul on May 07, 2013, 12:21:20 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 06, 2013, 04:15:17 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 06, 2013, 09:58:15 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 05, 2013, 06:28:18 pm
Football wise, that hit from Dany Malunga was a thing of beauty! He is a beast at 6'4" 210 at safety! For that matter George Moeakiola on the other side isn't too bad either 6'1" 200. We are looking pretty strong at safety.
Yes. Always hard hitters on defense for Trinity. The D-Line looks pretty solid too.
Does that include the Trojan kid that intentionally hammered the ref a few years ago?
That took place in '08 at the end of the Allen game.
I know, it was still crazy.
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
I feel ya. We were saying that last year. No excuses just the way it is. A down year for us was a 3rd rd playoff exit. I think Coach L has spoiled alot of us Trinity fans but if expectations are high then you're doing something right.
Let's face it. A "down year" for either team would be more successful than a vast majority of teams in both states.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
We will find out starting to day, first day of spring pads start this afternoon.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 08, 2013, 11:31:24 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
We will find out starting to day, first day of spring pads start this afternoon.
I'm relying on my Tiger buddies to keep me up to speed. I'm am out of the loop and to far away now. :(
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 08, 2013, 11:40:25 am
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 08, 2013, 11:31:24 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
We will find out starting to day, first day of spring pads start this afternoon.
I'm relying on my Tiger buddies to keep me up to speed. I'm am out of the loop and to far away now. :(
Well with 1 day down, Trinity has nothing to worry about. More passes missed receivers than I have seen in my life, them RB's better be good. Defense is small and not near as quick as we are use to. Then again it was only the first day. so more updates later.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 09, 2013, 11:13:17 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 08, 2013, 11:40:25 am
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 08, 2013, 11:31:24 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
We will find out starting to day, first day of spring pads start this afternoon.
I'm relying on my Tiger buddies to keep me up to speed. I'm am out of the loop and to far away now. :(
Well with 1 day down, Trinity has nothing to worry about. More passes missed receivers than I have seen in my life, them RB's better be good. Defense is small and not near as quick as we are use to. Then again it was only the first day. so more updates later.
Thanks for the update, It's only the 1st day of Spring practice, but overall sounds like what I was afraid of what we may see next year.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 09, 2013, 11:13:17 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 08, 2013, 11:40:25 am
Quote from: 2bhsboys on May 08, 2013, 11:31:24 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 07, 2013, 12:31:36 pm
Like I said before, this should be a good game. No idea what Bentonville will look like next year at this time. My guess is they will be down, how far is the question. No excuses just the way it is.
We will find out starting to day, first day of spring pads start this afternoon.
I'm relying on my Tiger buddies to keep me up to speed. I'm am out of the loop and to far away now. :(
Well with 1 day down, Trinity has nothing to worry about. More passes missed receivers than I have seen in my life, them RB's better be good. Defense is small and not near as quick as we are use to. Then again it was only the first day. so more updates later.
Were you at Trinity's practice? ;D
I sure wish I could be at this game but I got one in HS my self cheerleading and in the band so I will have to upgrade my phone so I can get the update per FF mobile.
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Here's Texas' fastest
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm)
Quote from: DPaul on May 12, 2013, 08:02:04 pm
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Here's Texas' fastest
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm)
You beat me to it. The fastest time was 10.26 followed by 10.29, then Franklins 10.45.
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Too bad it's not a track meet.
Quote from: ricepig on May 12, 2013, 09:02:48 pm
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Too bad it's not a track meet.
That would be boring.
Quote from: Texas on May 12, 2013, 08:34:32 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 12, 2013, 08:02:04 pm
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Here's Texas' fastest
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm)
You beat me to it. The fastest time was 10.26 followed by 10.29, then Franklins 10.45.
I believe the 4A 100m winner had a faster time than Franklin too....but then you get into the whole windspeed debate which whips me.
Quote from: DPaul on May 13, 2013, 12:47:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 12, 2013, 08:34:32 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 12, 2013, 08:02:04 pm
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Here's Texas' fastest
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm)
You beat me to it. The fastest time was 10.26 followed by 10.29, then Franklins 10.45.
I believe the 4A 100m winner had a faster time than Franklin too....but then you get into the whole windspeed debate which whips me.
True. Cameron Burrell of FB Ridge Point blazed to an easy victory running a (wind aided) 10.07. :o Cameron is the son of two 1992 Barcelona Olympic Gold Medal Sprinters, Leroy Burrell and Michelle Finn. His dad was at one time the fastest man alive (briefly). http://www.ihigh.com/vypehouston/article_164896.html (http://www.ihigh.com/vypehouston/article_164896.html)
However. Only three juniors competed in the 5A 100 meter final, the rest being seniors. Franklin was faster than the other juniors. Burrell is the only other kid with a faster time and he too is a senior, though he doesn't even play football. Therefore going into next season Franklin will officially be the fastest football player in Texas, given the 1st and 2nd place finishers graduate next week. ;D
Quote from: Texas on May 20, 2013, 07:46:12 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 13, 2013, 12:47:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 12, 2013, 08:34:32 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 12, 2013, 08:02:04 pm
Quote from: helmethair on May 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 11, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
In regards to our two fast guys.
Ellsworth finished his track season after regionals, did not qualify for state. He joined spring practice last week. Unfortunately he dislocated his kneecap. He is out for the remainder of spring practice but should be ready to go this fall. He was looking really good running the ball until then.
Franklin qualified for state in track in the 100. The race was tonight. He finished third with a time of 10.45. :o
Our 4X100 would have been among the favorites in the state meet, but suffered a handoff miscue in the regional.
10.4 would be fastest time in Arkansas
Here's Texas' fastest
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F510.htm)
You beat me to it. The fastest time was 10.26 followed by 10.29, then Franklins 10.45.
I believe the 4A 100m winner had a faster time than Franklin too....but then you get into the whole windspeed debate which whips me.
True. Cameron Burrell of FB Ridge Point blazed to an easy victory running a (wind aided) 10.07. :o Cameron is the son of two 1992 Barcelona Olympic Gold Medal Sprinters, Leroy Burrell and Michelle Finn. His dad was at one time the fastest man alive (briefly). http://www.ihigh.com/vypehouston/article_164896.html (http://www.ihigh.com/vypehouston/article_164896.html)
However. Only three juniors competed in the 5A 100 meter final, the rest being seniors. Franklin was faster than the other juniors. Burrell is the only other kid with a faster time and he too is a senior, though he doesn't even play football. Therefore going into next season Franklin will officially be the fastest football player in Texas, given the 1st and 2nd place finishers graduate next week. ;D
Burrell ran a 10.36
A 10.07 would've put him in another stratosphere lol
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F410.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F410.htm)
Okay yeah. He did in fact run 10.07 on the same track earlier this year in a different meet. He is in a different stratosphere. Fastest HS kid in the country. He will likely be competing in the Olympics by 2016.
Quote from: Texas on May 20, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
Okay yeah. He did in fact run 10.07 on the same track earlier this year in a different meet. He is in a different stratosphere. Fastest HS kid in the country. He will likely be competing in the Olympics by 2016.
10.07
When and where did he turn that time?
Trinity's spring ball is now completed.
Here are some of my observations:
Starting QB look's like Deon 6"2" 210lbs
Starting FB is (not sure of his name) will be a soph that is 6'1" 210lbs
TB is by comittee- Franklin, Gonzales, Ellsworth, and Babcock.
TE is Will Taylor 6'4" 238lbs
OL- altogether average 6' 3" 292 lbs
WR- don't know their names- one is 6'3" 190lbs
DEFENSE:
wow
Safety D. Mulanga 6'4" 200lbs and G. Moeakiola 6'1" 197 - beasts
LB I don't know all their names they all have similar body types- T. Wooley looks great! 6'2" 215lbs
DL: two sophmores may have made it- they look great-
Makahununiu 6'2" 272 lbs
Ngungutau 6'1" 302 lbs
Olie 6' 273 lbs
Like I said- a soph may have made it.
On paper-they look the part, but time will tell because there are a lot of good team competeing.
Quote from: DPaul on May 20, 2013, 11:30:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 20, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
Okay yeah. He did in fact run 10.07 on the same track earlier this year in a different meet. He is in a different stratosphere. Fastest HS kid in the country. He will likely be competing in the Olympics by 2016.
10.07
When and where did he turn that time?
Read the article I linked in my previous post. Also --->http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html)
Texas Relays in April in Austin.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 21, 2013, 10:59:31 am
Trinity's spring ball is now completed.
Here are some of my observations:
Starting QB look's like Deon 6"2" 210lbs
Starting FB is (not sure of his name) will be a soph that is 6'1" 210lbs
TB is by comittee- Franklin, Gonzales, Ellsworth, and Babcock.
TE is Will Taylor 6'4" 238lbs
OL- altogether average 6' 3" 292 lbs
WR- don't know their names- one is 6'3" 190lbs
DEFENSE:
wow
Safety D. Mulanga 6'4" 200lbs and G. Moeakiola 6'1" 197 - beasts
LB I don't know all their names they all have similar body types- T. Wooley looks great! 6'2" 215lbs
DL: two sophmores may have made it- they look great-
Makahununiu 6'2" 272 lbs
Ngungutau 6'1" 302 lbs
Olie 6' 273 lbs
Like I said- a soph may have made it.
On paper-they look the part, but time will tell because there are a lot of good team competeing.
Thank you brother.
Quote from: Texas on May 21, 2013, 11:22:36 am
Quote from: DPaul on May 20, 2013, 11:30:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 20, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
Okay yeah. He did in fact run 10.07 on the same track earlier this year in a different meet. He is in a different stratosphere. Fastest HS kid in the country. He will likely be competing in the Olympics by 2016.
10.07
When and where did he turn that time?
Read the article I linked in my previous post. Also --->http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html)
Texas Relays in April in Austin.
Just for a bit more information, even if you adjust for wind, the time converts to 10.22, which is faster than any Razorback or Longhorn sprinter this year.
Any Tiger fans been to any spring practices for Benny? Would love to hear a report. Any info you have would be great.
Quote from: Almatrackster on May 21, 2013, 11:35:51 am
Quote from: Texas on May 21, 2013, 11:22:36 am
Quote from: DPaul on May 20, 2013, 11:30:52 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 20, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
Okay yeah. He did in fact run 10.07 on the same track earlier this year in a different meet. He is in a different stratosphere. Fastest HS kid in the country. He will likely be competing in the Olympics by 2016.
10.07
When and where did he turn that time?
Read the article I linked in my previous post. Also --->http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.mywesttexas.com/sports/track/article_831af840-b8f5-11e2-990b-001a4bcf887a.html)
Texas Relays in April in Austin.
Just for a bit more information, even if you adjust for wind, the time converts to 10.22, which is faster than any Razorback or Longhorn sprinter this year.
Yep. World class speed. For a HS kid that is amazingly fast.
Quote from: Texas on May 08, 2013, 01:16:04 am
Let's face it. A "down year" for either team would be more successful than a vast majority of teams in both states.
Hahahaha Texas, I just dropped by to see if this thread was still going. These Posers haven't been Sandbagging you, they've been fooling you into thinking they're a legit football program. They dominate Arkansas because they're about like REL playing in a state where no other team is more than a 2A... I did skip 6 or 7 pages, if this has been discussed previously. This will be the Arkansas Massacre of 2013! ;D
I stopped by to watch a couple of Bentonville practices last week. I've never seen Bentonville play. They have some big boys but I was suprised with the lack of athletes overall. Quarterback play looked very suspect
All the 7A bashers on here are definitely getting this matchup on a good year. Carry on.
7A Bashers? LOL And why in heck does Arkansas have 7 AAAAAAA's? HAHA
1-10 students is 1A, 11-100 2A, 101-300 3A, 301-500 4A, 501-700 5A, 701-1200 6A, over 1200 = 7A's whoo hoo, lets play a 5A Texas Team!
Quote from: Valleysports on May 21, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
7A Bashers? LOL And why in heck does Arkansas have 7 AAAAAAA's? HAHA
Because we can. ;D
Quote from: Valleysports on May 21, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
7A Bashers? LOL And why in heck does Arkansas have 7 AAAAAAA's? HAHA
Because if Arkansas put the 256 largest schools all in the same class, Russeillville would be in a conference with Atkins.
Quote from: phdefense on May 21, 2013, 01:33:37 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 21, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
7A Bashers? LOL And why in heck does Arkansas have 7 AAAAAAA's? HAHA
Because if Arkansas put the 256 largest schools all in the same class, Russeillville would be in a conference with Atkins.
That would be like Bentonville being in a conference with Van Buren huh? NO actually Russellville & Atkins are a lot closer in size! ;D
Texas, one of Bentonville's (2700 student body) opponents is a 1200 student public school. It's simply David vs Goliath, student body, when they talk of Arkansas Football. Eueless should warm up, for this game by playing FDR........
They really should have more classes in my opinion like Texas. Doesn't Texas have 5aaa and 5aa, 4aaa and 4aa etc? A lot of schools in the state or playing schools twice their size.
5A large / small, 4A large / small. Texarkana (measuring stick of AR Football) is 3 steps down from Eueless btw! :D
Is this game gonna be on tv?
Let's see. How to explain this.
Here is a link to the UIL page that has all the alignments and enrollments for each classification in Texas. http://www.uiltexas.org/football/alignments (http://www.uiltexas.org/football/alignments)
Texas has five classifications AKA Conferences. 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A & 5A. No double or triple A's. However, just speaking about 11 man football, for district alignments 1A & 2A are divided into Division I & Division II. The larger half of 1A schools have their own districts (Div I) as do the smaller half (Div II). Same with 2A. For district games, obviously they play the other teams in their district. For non-district games, teams can play outside their conference or division. So a 1A Div I school may have another 1A Div I school on their schedule as well as a 1A Div II school & a 2A Div II school. Once district starts, the playoffs, they play only within their conference & division. 3A-5A also have Division I & II, but only for playoffs. For districts teams in the same conference are simply geographicly placed. The top four teams make the playoffs. The two schools with the largest enrollments are placed in division I and the two smaller are placed in division II. Some midsize teams are in different divisions each year depending on the size of the other teams in their district to make the playoffs.
Despite only having five classifications, the way it is set up, reality is we have seven complete conferences and ten conferences for playoff purposes. If I had my way, we'd go to at least 7A and get rid of Divisions. There are enough schools to do it easily.
In Arkansas, there are not enough schools to do it. You have to choose here, whether to truly try to fairly divide by size or have enough schools to have a legitimate field. IMO the smaller classes are fine, but there are far too few schools in the larger classes to justify having seven classes. But then you would have an even bigger difference in school size top to bottom. We don't have that problem in Texas.
With that being said, David vs. Goliath matchups are unavoidable. In Texas the largest school in most conferences is about twice the enrollment as the smallest. There are first round matchups of Allen (5,388) vs. Richardson Berkner (2,654) for example. There have been a few times when the Division II state champ in a class was larger than the Division I champ from the same class. Despite that, size is not the only factor to success, it just helps. There have been many seasons where the Champion of Division I lost in the regular season to the champion of Division II.
With that being said, the 3,500ish Bentonville gets to play the 3,300ish Trinity. On paper, Bentonville is gonna get their butts handed to them. ;D
Quote from: Valleysports on May 21, 2013, 01:42:28 pm
5A large / small, 4A large / small. Texarkana (measuring stick of AR Football) is 3 steps down from Eueless btw! :D
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Yet, you live here, how can you stomach it Valley? I know why, you didn't have any water in Texas to enjoy the things you do in Arkansas. ;D
I would like to have seen these two teams play last year. This year not so much. Bennie will represent Arkansas much better then Shilow regardless.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 21, 2013, 04:52:47 pm
I would like to have seen these two teams play last year. This year not so much. Bennie will represent Arkansas much better then Shilow regardless.
Agreed.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on May 21, 2013, 10:59:31 am
Trinity's spring ball is now completed.
Here are some of my observations:
Starting QB look's like Deon 6"2" 210lbs
Starting FB is (not sure of his name) will be a soph that is 6'1" 210lbs
TB is by comittee- Franklin, Gonzales, Ellsworth, and Babcock.
TE is Will Taylor 6'4" 238lbs
OL- altogether average 6' 3" 292 lbs
WR- don't know their names- one is 6'3" 190lbs
DEFENSE:
wow
Safety D. Mulanga 6'4" 200lbs and G. Moeakiola 6'1" 197 - beasts
LB I don't know all their names they all have similar body types- T. Wooley looks great! 6'2" 215lbs
DL: two sophmores may have made it- they look great-
Makahununiu 6'2" 272 lbs
Ngungutau 6'1" 302 lbs
Olie 6' 273 lbs
Like I said- a soph may have made it.
On paper-they look the part, but time will tell because there are a lot of good team competeing.
If this is the case, I'm excited.
Quote from: ricepig on May 21, 2013, 04:43:02 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 21, 2013, 01:42:28 pm
5A large / small, 4A large / small. Texarkana (measuring stick of AR Football) is 3 steps down from Eueless btw! :D
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Yet, you live here, how can you stomach it Valley? I know why, you didn't have any water in Texas to enjoy the things you do in Arkansas. ;D
I'm not playing high school ball here, ricepig. I grew up on Lake Palestine, but I like the Buffalo River & Duck Hunting as you suggest. I came to Arkansas because AR has always had the best DII programs in the country (GAC now). It is really something to be proud of. Growing up in Tex, we had Jr Colleges, a DII here and there, but nothing like Arkansas. Lot of Texas kids here in DII. Tech has a QB & WR from my High School here now. A lot of Jr College transfers come to Arkansas DII as well.
I live here now for the same reason I fell in love with AR many decades ago, I love the outdoors. The first time I saw the Ozarks, I was hooked. On the way home I stopped by SAU, LOL. For the same reason as football is weak in AR, is the very reason AR is a great place to raise a family north of the Arkansas River / West of Conway. ;)
Texans - after the game, you should take the next day sight seeing - east through Eureka Springs, Harrison, south down Hwy Scenic 7, through Russellville, Hot Springs, to I-30, back to Dallas. This is a major motorcycle trip for Texans. Ozark Falls are absolutely gorgeous.
Yep. Been to Eureka Springs. Saw the Passion play too. I think I was 15 or 16. Went with a church group. Pretty cool place. I know AR has a lot of natural beauty.
7A, NW Arkansas, Arkansas - a bunch of Hillbillies!
So you are the only one who moved here from out of state? Interesting.
That's not true 7AFHillbilly - I have friends who've moved here from out of state.
Hey you just concern yourself with the population decline in Ft Smith and hanging on to past memories when SS was the bigger school. Those on line pictures of Walmart Shoppers are coming from Bentonville these days.
Schools are growing so kids must be coming from somewhere. You see us hillbillies can count. Some of us have an edumucation.
Quote from: Valleysports on May 22, 2013, 02:14:22 pm
That's not true 7AFHillbilly - I have friends who've moved here from out of state.
Hey you just concern yourself with the population decline in Ft Smith and hanging on to past memories when SS was the bigger school. Those on line pictures of Walmart Shoppers are coming from Bentonville these days.
Bentonville is the Cadillac city in Arkansas whether other folks agree or not.
They are so Cadillac that they had to apply for $15,000,000 from the government to build a new school....
QuoteWith that being said, the 3,500ish Bentonville gets to play the 3,300ish Trinity. On paper, Bentonville is gonna get their butts handed to them.
Texas, it's cool. Last season, we played a total of four teams that won a total of 10 "biggest school" championships between them in four states (Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma) over the past four years. I've said for the longest time it was time for Bentonville to play a big name big school from Texas, win or lose. Glad they're finally doing it in Bennie's swan-song-as-a-single-high-school days. Hope our team's as blessed as they've been the past four years.
Quote from: Valleysports on May 22, 2013, 02:14:22 pm
That's not true 7AFHillbilly - I have friends who've moved here from out of state.
Hey you just concern yourself with the population decline in Ft Smith and hanging on to past memories when SS was the bigger school. Those on line pictures of Walmart Shoppers are coming from Bentonville these days.
"Population decline in Fort Smith?"
Happened to travel there this past weekend and saw the Chaffee Crossing area. Interstates 49 and 69, if our country doesn't collapse and we live to see them completed, big "if", when built are going to be the best Canada-U.S.-Mexico Interstate link there is., (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3321.275) and I saw a study written about last decade that said Fort Smith will be one of the prime beneficiaries of the completed corridor. Looking out at Chaffee Crossing it's evident that a lot of people are starting to bank on that. Hope it happens for you, Baitshop...then Southside High may be the next 4,000 student school. Or Greenwood. Or even Alma.
Wow there's a forum for roads? :D
Quote from: OPoraquê on May 22, 2013, 08:43:37 pm
Texas, it's cool. Last season, we played a total of four teams that won a total of 10 "biggest school" championships between them in four states (Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma) over the past four years. I've said for the longest time it was time for Bentonville to play a big name big school from Texas, win or lose. Glad they're finally doing it in Bennie's swan-song-as-a-single-high-school days. Hope our team's as blessed as they've been the past four years.
I am on a Trojan high after our spring practice season, and hearing some of the comments about Bentonville and how there is so much unknown heading into next season, I am more confident than I have been so far.
Last season Trinity traveled 3,000+ miles to Washington State, played a pretty good team in Bellevue and nearly won. The game was hyped to the extreme. Our starting QB was knocked out of the game toward the end. The backup went in at OT and promptly threw an INT. Honestly, we should have won the game. No doubt in my mind, if played at home, we would have won going away. That Trinity team last season was just completely inept offensively, BY TRINITY STANDARDS. The defense OTOH was unbelievably great. Possibly the best Trinity defense ever, and I would argue the best in Texas. Certainly among the best in Texas. We did not have the offense to match. This coming season, the offense should be much much better. More along the lines of what we are used to. The defense will be extremely good, though probably not quite the caliber as last season.
I say all this to say, I believe it is going to be a monumental task for Bentonville. The travel for Trinity will probably be by charter bus, 6 hour drive. Much different than a 3 1/2 plane trip. A lot more of our fans will go to this game since it is within a reasonable driving distance. No, this will definitely not be a Shiloh repeat by any means. I could see the game being fairly close for a while, with Trinity pulling away for a convincing win in the 2nd half. I myself am hoping it is competitive, for a while.
NWA has a nice airport - Shiloh Fans would probably pick the team up and host em. ;D
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 06:42:33 am
NWA has a nice airport - Shiloh Fans would probably pick the team up and host em. ;D
;)
Quote from: Texas on May 22, 2013, 11:02:50 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on May 22, 2013, 08:43:37 pm
Texas, it's cool. Last season, we played a total of four teams that won a total of 10 "biggest school" championships between them in four states (Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma) over the past four years. I've said for the longest time it was time for Bentonville to play a big name big school from Texas, win or lose. Glad they're finally doing it in Bennie's swan-song-as-a-single-high-school days. Hope our team's as blessed as they've been the past four years.
I am on a Trojan high after our spring practice season, and hearing some of the comments about Bentonville and how there is so much unknown heading into next season, I am more confident than I have been so far.
Last season Trinity traveled 3,000+ miles to Washington State, played a pretty good team in Bellevue and nearly won. The game was hyped to the extreme. Our starting QB was knocked out of the game toward the end. The backup went in at OT and promptly threw an INT...1. Honestly, we should have won the game. No doubt in my mind, if played at home, we would have won going away. That Trinity team last season was just completely inept offensively, BY TRINITY STANDARDS. The defense OTOH was unbelievably great. Possibly the best Trinity defense ever, and I would argue the best in Texas. Certainly among the best in Texas. We did not have the offense to match. This coming season, the offense should be much much better. More along the lines of what we are used to... 2. The defense will be extremely good, though probably not quite the caliber as last season.
I say all this to say, I believe it is going to be a monumental task for Bentonville. The travel for Trinity will probably be by charter bus, 6 hour drive. Much different than a 3 1/2 plane trip. A lot more of our fans will go to this game since it is within a reasonable driving distance. No, this will definitely not be a Shiloh repeat by any means. I could see the game being fairly close for a while, with Trinity pulling away for a convincing win in the 2nd half. I myself am hoping it is competitive, for a while.
1. I don't know about should have won the game. I felt like Trinity was battling uphill the whole game and it took a nice 4th Q comeback to force OT but Bellevue was deserving of that win. I think your brother would agree if he was honest with himself :)
2. You might be right about the defense not being as good as last year but this upcoming team might have the best safety tandem we've seen at Trinity. Last year it was our bookends and this year it's our safeties. I like Wooley to ball out in his senior year too. But I agree, overall this team should be better than last year.
It's only May, but I just don't have a great feeling about Bennies team next year. I have been wrong before but it has the feel of the 2007 team without Anthony Blackmon. I will see their first game against Rockhurst in Kansas City and will chime in, but they may not win that game either and the Hawks will not be as strong as Trinity.
Quote from: DPaul on May 23, 2013, 01:00:17 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 22, 2013, 11:02:50 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on May 22, 2013, 08:43:37 pm
Texas, it's cool. Last season, we played a total of four teams that won a total of 10 "biggest school" championships between them in four states (Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma) over the past four years. I've said for the longest time it was time for Bentonville to play a big name big school from Texas, win or lose. Glad they're finally doing it in Bennie's swan-song-as-a-single-high-school days. Hope our team's as blessed as they've been the past four years.
I am on a Trojan high after our spring practice season, and hearing some of the comments about Bentonville and how there is so much unknown heading into next season, I am more confident than I have been so far.
Last season Trinity traveled 3,000+ miles to Washington State, played a pretty good team in Bellevue and nearly won. The game was hyped to the extreme. Our starting QB was knocked out of the game toward the end. The backup went in at OT and promptly threw an INT...1. Honestly, we should have won the game. No doubt in my mind, if played at home, we would have won going away. That Trinity team last season was just completely inept offensively, BY TRINITY STANDARDS. The defense OTOH was unbelievably great. Possibly the best Trinity defense ever, and I would argue the best in Texas. Certainly among the best in Texas. We did not have the offense to match. This coming season, the offense should be much much better. More along the lines of what we are used to... 2. The defense will be extremely good, though probably not quite the caliber as last season.
I say all this to say, I believe it is going to be a monumental task for Bentonville. The travel for Trinity will probably be by charter bus, 6 hour drive. Much different than a 3 1/2 plane trip. A lot more of our fans will go to this game since it is within a reasonable driving distance. No, this will definitely not be a Shiloh repeat by any means. I could see the game being fairly close for a while, with Trinity pulling away for a convincing win in the 2nd half. I myself am hoping it is competitive, for a while.
1. I don't know about should have won the game. I felt like Trinity was battling uphill the whole game and it took a nice 4th Q comeback to force OT but Bellevue was deserving of that win. I think your brother would agree if he was honest with himself :)
2. You might be right about the defense not being as good as last year but this upcoming team might have the best safety tandem we've seen at Trinity. Last year it was our bookends and this year it's our safeties. I like Wooley to ball out in his senior year too. But I agree, overall this team should be better than last year.
Like I said, I am on a Trojan high right now.
You may be right in regard to the Bellevue game.I wasn't there and of course you and my brother were. I have since watched the game in it's entirety on YouTube. I guess what I mean is that, Trinity should not have fallen behind by so much to begin with. Similar to the SLC game. In both those games, bad starts came back to bite us in the @$$. Actually the inept offense was mostly to blame for the SLC game, but missed opportunities to score or at least keep drives alive early in the game killed us. But hey, I was in Dayton, Ohio when that game was going on.
Since I know what I know about last seasons D and have yet to see next seasons D in a game, I think it's fair to speculate they may not be as good as last season. Heck, a defense that good doesn't come around very often. The thing is, if next seasons D is anywhere close to that good, God help our opponents. Especially when combined with a capable offense. That being said, the way the HC and/or DC choose to use the D has a lot to do with how dominant they can be. I think they generally are way too conservative. They fear the big over the top (pass) play too much. Yet, just about every time they all out blitz it seems to result in a big play. Usually a big sack, sometimes a fumble or INT. I wish they would take risk more often.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 01:14:32 pm
It's only May, but I just don't have a great feeling about Bennies team next year. I have been wrong before but it has the feel of the 2007 team without Anthony Blackmon. I will see their first game against Rockhurst in Kansas City and will chime in, but they may not win that game either and the Hawks will not be as strong as Trinity.
OMG the sound of NWA Losers already giving up!!!!!!!!!! Imagine if y'all played in a Texas 5A Conference.... haha Yeah pig sooieee.... ;D
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:08:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 01:14:32 pm
It's only May, but I just don't have a great feeling about Bennies team next year. I have been wrong before but it has the feel of the 2007 team without Anthony Blackmon. I will see their first game against Rockhurst in Kansas City and will chime in, but they may not win that game either and the Hawks will not be as strong as Trinity.
OMG the sound of NWA Losers already giving up!!!!!!!!!! Imagine if y'all played in a Texas 5A Conference.... haha Yeah pig sooieee.... ;D
No excuses, you got to play the teams on your schedule with what you got. And if we played in the same conference/division with Trinity the last 5 years maybe Trinity would be better that's it. they will tell you their district play is not that awesome. The real deal is playoff time.
QuoteThe real deal is playoff time.
Not in you know where!
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
QuoteThe real deal is playoff time.
Not in you know where!
Exactly, Texas Playoffs are brutal, that's where it's at. Nothing like Arkansas that's the big difference.
In Texas you have a bunch of Bentonvillle's and Fayetteville's in the playoffs, it's a dogfight.
Will be funny if a down Bennie team competes well with Trinity. That would pretty much discredit Texas football altogether from what you guys are saying.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 02:47:33 pm
Will be funny if a down Bennie team competes well with Trinity. That would pretty much discredit Texas football altogether from what you guys are saying.
No it wouldn't , it's just two teams and one game. you know better than that!
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
True, I just hope it's a good game.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 02:13:39 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:08:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 01:14:32 pm
It's only May, but I just don't have a great feeling about Bennies team next year. I have been wrong before but it has the feel of the 2007 team without Anthony Blackmon. I will see their first game against Rockhurst in Kansas City and will chime in, but they may not win that game either and the Hawks will not be as strong as Trinity.
OMG the sound of NWA Losers already giving up!!!!!!!!!! Imagine if y'all played in a Texas 5A Conference.... haha Yeah pig sooieee.... ;D
No excuses, you got to play the teams on your schedule with what you got. And if we played in the same conference/division with Trinity the last 5 years maybe Trinity would be better that's it. they will tell you their district play is not that awesome. The real deal is playoff time.
With what little I know, I would compare Bentonville to the perennial 2nd place finisher in our district Colleyville Heritage. They make the playoffs every year, finish 2nd to Trinity every year. Lose to Trinity every year, but pretty much blowout every other team in our district.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 03:05:27 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
True, I just hope it's a good game.
If we get that QB transfer I was promised we will be fine. ;D oh wait that is my other football player ::). Bentonville suprised me all of last year, so I will wait till we at least have a game situation to judge them. since spring game was missed due to soccer and rain.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 02:28:50 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
QuoteThe real deal is playoff time.
Not in you know where!
Exactly, Texas Playoffs are brutal, that's where it's at. Nothing like Arkansas that's the big difference.
In Texas you have a bunch of Bentonvillle's and Fayetteville's in the playoffs, it's a dogfight.
Another difference. Bentonville's and Fayetteville's are a dime a dozen in Texas HS 5A playoffs. There is also at least a half dozen Trinity's. Unlike most other states, OK for example. You know without a doubt either Union or Jenks WILL be champs. In Texas, though there are favorites, any one of a dozen teams have a legit chance of winning it all. There are upsets. See 2010 Pearland upsetting Trinity.
Quote from: Texas on May 23, 2013, 03:34:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 02:28:50 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
QuoteThe real deal is playoff time.
Not in you know where!
Exactly, Texas Playoffs are brutal, that's where it's at. Nothing like Arkansas that's the big difference.
In Texas you have a bunch of Bentonvillle's and Fayetteville's in the playoffs, it's a dogfight.
Another difference. Bentonville's and Fayetteville's are a dime a dozen in Texas HS 5A playoffs. There is also at least a half dozen Trinity's. Unlike most other states, OK for example. You know without a doubt either Union or Jenks WILL be champs. In Texas, though there are favorites, any one of a dozen teams have a legit chance of winning it all. There are upsets. See 2010 Pearland upsetting Trinity.
Exactly what I said, My teammate from High school had 3 kids start at Southlake. He said Texas football is different as far as coaching and not the players. He also said there are just as many crappy high school teams in Texas percentage wise as Arkansas, it's just numbers. There are just a lot of good teams also by percentage.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 03:53:41 pm
Quote from: Texas on May 23, 2013, 03:34:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 02:28:50 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 23, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
QuoteThe real deal is playoff time.
Not in you know where!
Exactly, Texas Playoffs are brutal, that's where it's at. Nothing like Arkansas that's the big difference.
In Texas you have a bunch of Bentonvillle's and Fayetteville's in the playoffs, it's a dogfight.
Another difference. Bentonville's and Fayetteville's are a dime a dozen in Texas HS 5A playoffs. There is also at least a half dozen Trinity's. Unlike most other states, OK for example. You know without a doubt either Union or Jenks WILL be champs. In Texas, though there are favorites, any one of a dozen teams have a legit chance of winning it all. There are upsets. See 2010 Pearland upsetting Trinity.
Exactly what I said, My teammate from High school had 3 kids start at Southlake. He said Texas football is different as far as coaching and not the players. He also said there are just as many crappy high school teams in Texas percentage wise as Arkansas, it's just numbers. There are just a lot of good teams also by percentage.
Yes. No shortage of hopeless teams. If the school district makes football a priority, they are a lot more likely to succeed. You get what you put into it. However, many inner city schools have little chance to succeed because of low participation numbers. SLC has 2,600 kids (boys and girls). They may have 400 boys come out for football. Other schools in Dallas or Houston with similar enrollment may only have 150. A lot of potential talent left on the table. Add to that, small bands, Cheerleading squads, drill teams and fewer fans attending the games. It's sad to see that. The players that do go out for football are already fighting an uphill battle, because the school district isn't going to try to hire the best coaches when they have such few players coming out for athletics. Football coaches at those schools try to recruit from within. IOW, try to convince guys on the basketball team or soccer team or track team to come play football as well. Or just convince guys who don't play sports to come try out for football.
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 03:05:27 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
True, I just hope it's a good game.
I believe it will be a good game. Trinity struggles in OOS games. ;D
NOT! NO WAY NO HOW! LOL
Quote from: DPaul on May 23, 2013, 08:28:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 03:05:27 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
True, I just hope it's a good game.
I believe it will be a good game. Trinity struggles in OOS games. ;D
Trinity is only .500 since 2012.
Quote from: Texas on May 23, 2013, 09:54:12 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 23, 2013, 08:28:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on May 23, 2013, 03:05:27 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on May 23, 2013, 03:03:50 pm
I didn't say it would but others logic say it will. It can't go both ways. If you are going to bash Arkansas football you would also have to give credit for a competitive game. As I have already said this year's Bennie probably is not even a decent matchup for Trinity. They have surprised us before though.
True, I just hope it's a good game.
I believe it will be a good game. Trinity struggles in OOS games. ;D
Trinity is only .500 since 2012.
And are .000 when they gotta travel OOS.
A lot of it may have to do with the difference in the rules.
Texas plays under NCAA rules. Most states play under NFHS rules.
The biggest differences are the varying width between the hashmarks, how kickoffs and punts into the end zones are handled, and when the defense is called for jumping offsides.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 24, 2013, 07:36:57 am
A lot of it may have to do with the difference in the rules.
Texas plays under NCAA rules. Most states play under NFHS rules.
The biggest differences are the varying width between the hashmarks, how kickoffs and punts into the end zones are handled, and when the defense is called for jumping offsides.
There is a rule difference obviously but Trinity's only played 1 game across State lines and that team was top 10 Nationally.
Then get ready for a second one!
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 24, 2013, 07:36:57 am
A lot of it may have to do with the difference in the rules.
Texas plays under NCAA rules. Most states play under NFHS rules.
The biggest differences are the varying width between the hashmarks, how kickoffs and punts into the end zones are handled, and when the defense is called for jumping offsides.
Those are all pretty minor. Here are the rule differences.
http://sccfoa.org/docs/2012/2012%20Major%20NF-NCAA%20FB%20Rules%20Differences.pdf (http://sccfoa.org/docs/2012/2012%20Major%20NF-NCAA%20FB%20Rules%20Differences.pdf)
I don't know why it does not say, but the NFHS rules are on the left and the NCAA rules are on the right side. Actually in many cases the NCAA rules are more restrictive than NFHS rules, so in some cases Trinity may not take advantage of some of the rules because of unfamiliarity of the rules. I think the coaches will focus more on preventing Trinity from breaking stricter NFHS rules than taking advantage of less strict NFHS rules.
The biggest difference especially for a running team like Trinity is blocking below the waist. Allowed in Texas, not allowed in most other states including AR.
Last season, the OOS travel game was game 1, so the team had a few weeks to practice, then could get back to NCAA rules easily, since they are used to it. This season, the OOS travel game will be game 3, so play first two games with NCAA rules, then have to transition to NFHS rules. That may present a bit of a challenge. I honestly don't think it will be that big a deal. We may get called for a few penalties, but I don't think it will be enough to take us out of our game, so to speak.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on May 24, 2013, 09:26:45 am
Then get ready for a second one!
A second what? Arkansas Team? They already know about #1 Ranked Arkansas Teams! Haha
::) ... Some people .... ::)
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Did Russellville ever play them, how about Tech?
How would I know if Russellville ever played Texarkana? I doubt it, ain't Russellville an AR High School? When I played for TECH, we used Harding like yard dogs. Kind of funny, they had the Arkansas ability to be ranked every year, then we'd just crushed the dreams right out of em. I scored my first TD in HS against Tex High, first TD in college against Harding. Thanks for reminding me of that ricecake.
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 03:42:02 pm
How would I know if Russellville ever played Texarkana? I doubt it, ain't Russellville an AR High School? When I played for TECH, we used Harding like yard dogs. Kind of funny, they had the Arkansas ability to be ranked every year, then we'd just crushed the dreams right out of em. I scored my first TD in HS against Tex High, first TD in college against Harding. Thanks for reminding me of that ricecake.
So, you called that college ball, we called it 13th grade from where I came from. Valley, you're like all Texans, all hat, no cattle. ;D
Quote from: ricepig on May 24, 2013, 06:57:51 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 03:42:02 pm
How would I know if Russellville ever played Texarkana? I doubt it, ain't Russellville an AR High School? When I played for TECH, we used Harding like yard dogs. Kind of funny, they had the Arkansas ability to be ranked every year, then we'd just crushed the dreams right out of em. I scored my first TD in HS against Tex High, first TD in college against Harding. Thanks for reminding me of that ricecake.
So, you called that college ball, we called it 13th grade from where I came from. Valley, you're like all Texans, all hat, no cattle. ;D
;D
Tech plays football? Now that is funny.
To be honest my teammates, from Longview and I, used to talk about how it didn't seem like a step up from High School Ball. We couldn't believe how the Arkansas boys would talk about practice being hard. They dropped like flies. * I'm waiting on one of em to tune me up any minute LOL. Yeah ricepig I agree with DII being about like 13th grade, about 6 grades above Arkansas 12th grade.... Bentonville is fixing to step from Jr High to High School - good point! ;)
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Texas High Tigers
Article from 2008: http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217 (http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217)
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
I do think it is important to keep things in perspective. Given Shiloh Christian is a tiny school (enrollment wise), a fourth the size of Trinity. I knew they had no hope of winning or even competing. Then came all the hype. Then I started to realize they are a private school that aggressively recruits high caliber football players, even to the point of having some come across state lines everyday to attend school. The I realized how highly National polls think of them. I personally give no validity to natl polls. Then I realized, they were willing to come to Texas, to Jerry World to play an elite Texas powerhouse. All this almost had me convinced, maybe they will be more competitive than I thought. I decided not to care. Then I saw their arrogance in the "We are Shiloh" video they had on their website. Then I came to FearlessFriday.com and read many of the comments before the game and saw how hated they were by opposing fans from their own state. After the fact, I felt sorry for the players. It is not the players faults. But going back to the beginning I always knew Trinity would put a whoopin' on 'em. If for no other reason, the shear size difference (enrollment not players ;D).
So with regard to Texas High vs. Arkansas High, your are talking another David vs. Goliath enrollment wise. TX High is twice the size as poor little AR High. And honestly, though THS has had a decent run in some seasons, they are really not all that in TX.
In this case though, I will definitely not feel sorry for Bennie if Trinity wins (or even dominates). BHS is a little larger than Trinity enrollment wise. The game is in Bentonville. So as far as I am concerned, it's "fair and square". Despite the 80-26 score a few years ago, I can assure you our coach is not one to run up the score. Jenks too falls within Texas 5A levels. So same goes for them.
Quote from: Texas on May 25, 2013, 04:00:58 am
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Texas High Tigers
Article from 2008: http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217 (http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217)
Nice article and appropriate for this thread albeit 5 years old. That is a unique situation up there in Texarkana, a place I've never been. Same city, two states. Texas pride and Arkansas envy. I'm going to have to stop in Texarkana on both sides to see if I can get a feel for the difference in atmosphere. I just picture everyone on the Texas side wearing orange and everyone on the Arkansas side wearing red.
Quote from: DPaul on May 25, 2013, 08:26:43 am
Quote from: Texas on May 25, 2013, 04:00:58 am
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Texas High Tigers
Article from 2008: http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217 (http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217)
Nice article and appropriate for this thread albeit 5 years old. That is a unique situation up there in Texarkana, a place I've never been. Same city, two states. Texas pride and Arkansas envy. I'm going to have to stop in Texarkana on both sides to see if I can get a feel for the difference in atmosphere. I just picture everyone on the Texas side wearing orange and everyone on the Arkansas side wearing red.
Bentonville HAMMERED Texas High two years in a row. They are no Trinity.
DPaul you'll notice the difference immediately. If you're on I-30 the road surface will change from smooth, to rough, other places sober to drunk, nice homes to ghetto. :D
Ha ha yeah y'all hammered Texas High BillyO, I was just looking back at a thread leading up to the first Texas High vs Bentonville game.
Quote from: Valleysports on July 19, 2010, 08:38:29 am
Quote from: gatecrasher on July 18, 2010, 06:08:43 pm
I've said it before.....with a few exceptions (04 LR Central, 05 Springdale), ain't nobody from our state got any business in Texas playing the real BIG BOYS of high school football.
Marshall, Longview, Texarkana, aint' real BIG BOYS in Texas - that's the reason they dropped to 4A. Gate if you don't think Eldo has any business playing these Texas 4A teams, then Har-Ber is fixing to rip your team a new one!!!! And trust me, I havn't had much respect for Arkansas Football in the past! 8)
Quote from: AHS06 on July 19, 2010, 09:11:08 am
Valley do you know anything about high school football? Texas High dropped from 5A years ago due to enrollment numbers. They are currently like 50 students from being 5A. Longview is back in 5A. Longview the #1 4A last year beat Allen #1 5A. Eldorado is going to beat up on Har-Ber. I hate to say this but Texas High is going to roll Bentonville. They always have a big lines and they have to much speed for Bentonville.
Quote from: DPaul on May 20, 2013, 09:14:50 pm
Burrell ran a 10.36
A 10.07 would've put him in another stratosphere lol
http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F410.htm (http://www2.uil.utexas.edu/tournament-results/track-field/130510F410.htm)
FWIW (since you guys were discussing Burrell) he just won the Adidas Dream 100 event in New York with an electronic 10.4 with a -.4 wind. He beat most of the other contenders for fastest high school kid in the nation (Hall-Thompson, Fulks, Brommell, Cotton) in this race.
http://www.diamondleague-newyork.com/Live-StartlistsResults/Overview/adidas-High-School-Boys-Dream-100m/
Quote from: DPaul on May 25, 2013, 08:26:43 am
Quote from: Texas on May 25, 2013, 04:00:58 am
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Texas High Tigers
Article from 2008: http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217 (http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217)
Nice article and appropriate for this thread albeit 5 years old. That is a unique situation up there in Texarkana, a place I've never been. Same city, two states. Texas pride and Arkansas envy. I'm going to have to stop in Texarkana on both sides to see if I can get a feel for the difference in atmosphere. I just picture everyone on the Texas side wearing orange and everyone on the Arkansas side wearing red.
I have driven through Texarkana on I-30 many times, and many times in the past year. It really is true that the growth has been toward Texas, almost exclusively.
The states compete in infrastructure. The bridges over I-30 are really nice on both sides of the border. Same design, different color schemes.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6591182489_c982a5dec8_z.jpg)
Texas bridges are outlined in blue and highlighted by the state of Texas shape thingy and the classic five point Texas Lone Star.
(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/arkansas001/i-030_eb_exit_002_01.jpg)
Arkansas bridges are outlined in Red and highlighted by an Arkansas shape thingy.
The bridge over 30 on State Line Avenue is painted in the Arkansas color scheme on the Texas side of the border, welcoming east bound traffic to Arkansas. Likewise the bridge is painted in the Texas color scheme on the Arkansas side welcoming west bound traffic to Texas.
Both states have IMO, their nicest Welcome Centers in Texarkana. In Arkansas, it is just past exit 7 on EB I-30. In Texas, it is WB I-30 exit 223.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2241/2180220182_b0e7625027_z.jpg)
The cities of Texarkana, AR and Texarkana, TX share the same water utility. Nice tower with the joint city motto, "Texarkana is twice as nice.". Of course, the tower is in Texas, right on I-30.
Most of the "things to do" are in Texas. Most of the shopping and dining. Of course both sides of the border have a lot of activities and culture. The Convention Center and Chamber of Commerce are in Texas. State Line Avenue is really cool. It splits off in downtown where there are many buildings that straddle the state line with entry/exits on both sides of the border.
Quote from: Valleysports on May 25, 2013, 10:57:29 am
DPaul you'll notice the difference immediately. If you're on I-30 the road surface will change from smooth, to rough, other places sober to drunk, nice homes to ghetto. :D
Ha ha yeah y'all hammered Texas High BillyO, I was just looking back at a thread leading up to the first Texas High vs Bentonville game.
Yep. Wet in AR, Dry in Texas. An interesting case study. Every time a city 'round here has a vote whether to allow alcohol. Or additional step ups, wine, or hard liquor, the opponents al ways point to crime and the negative impact it would have on the community. Proponents say that is hogwash and point to the economic advantages of the extra tax revenue that would be produced. The truth is, one side doesn't want to live in a place where there is alcohol sold, bars, drunk drivers, don't want their kids exposed to that. The other either doesn't care or isn't worried about that, they just don't want to have to go out of their way to get to the good stuff. Texarkana would seem to be a long term case study of what happens in two communities so close but with opposing laws governing alcohol. Fascinating.
Sober vs Drunk, rich vs poor, conservative vs liberal = the results of Texarkana as a long term case study were in a long time ago. However some of the variables had to be skewed. To keep Texarkana, AR from a complete crash, they adopted some Texas side values, like on taxes.
Wish we could set Trinity up with the Razorbacks, get y'all a competitive Arkansas HS Game. And the Razorbacks look for teams, like Trinity, to put on their schedule.
Quote from: Texas on May 25, 2013, 03:36:05 pm
Quote from: DPaul on May 25, 2013, 08:26:43 am
Quote from: Texas on May 25, 2013, 04:00:58 am
Quote from: Valleysports on May 24, 2013, 01:38:51 pm
Texas, until 2 years ago Arkansas HS fans thought Texas High (Texarkana Wildcats) were the pinnacle of Texas Football. Just mentioning Texas High sent shivers through Arkansas Fans. When I got here I was like who? Are you kidding me?
There is some history to it - my dad played for Coach Myers back in the 50's, but those days were long gone before they became the largest school in 4A. Even so Bentonville is the only Arkansas Team to beat them, in this Century, and one Arkansas team has tried 12 times. LOL
Texas High Tigers
Article from 2008: http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217 (http://www.texasfootball.com/highschool-news/view/4217)
Nice article and appropriate for this thread albeit 5 years old. That is a unique situation up there in Texarkana, a place I've never been. Same city, two states. Texas pride and Arkansas envy. I'm going to have to stop in Texarkana on both sides to see if I can get a feel for the difference in atmosphere. I just picture everyone on the Texas side wearing orange and everyone on the Arkansas side wearing red.
I have driven through Texarkana on I-30 many times, and many times in the past year. It really is true that the growth has been toward Texas, almost exclusively.
The states compete in infrastructure. The bridges over I-30 are really nice on both sides of the border. Same design, different color schemes.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6591182489_c982a5dec8_z.jpg)
Texas bridges are outlined in blue and highlighted by the state of Texas shape thingy and the classic five point Texas Lone Star.
(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/arkansas001/i-030_eb_exit_002_01.jpg)
Arkansas bridges are outlined in Red and highlighted by an Arkansas shape thingy.
The bridge over 30 on State Line Avenue is painted in the Arkansas color scheme on the Texas side of the border, welcoming east bound traffic to Arkansas. Likewise the bridge is painted in the Texas color scheme on the Arkansas side welcoming west bound traffic to Texas.
Both states have IMO, their nicest Welcome Centers in Texarkana. In Arkansas, it is just past exit 7 on EB I-30. In Texas, it is WB I-30 exit 223.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2241/2180220182_b0e7625027_z.jpg)
The cities of Texarkana, AR and Texarkana, TX share the same water utility. Nice tower with the joint city motto, "Texarkana is twice as nice.". Of course, the tower is in Texas, right on I-30.
Most of the "things to do" are in Texas. Most of the shopping and dining. Of course both sides of the border have a lot of activities and culture. The Convention Center and Chamber of Commerce are in Texas. State Line Avenue is really cool. It splits off in downtown where there are many buildings that straddle the state line with entry/exits on both sides of the border.
Texas,
When I-69 is complete merely from the Mexico border through Houston to Shreveport/Texarkana (there will be a secondary interstate that will split somewhere in far northeast Texas to link I-69 to I-35 at TXK, the main I-69 route will go through Shreveport) and when the I-49 corridor is complete from Kansas City (linking Winnipeg and Minneapolis/St. Paul via other northbound interstates) to New Orleans...watch what happens in Texarkana. And Shreveport. And Fort Smith. And Northwest Arkansas. Even Joplin. It's amazing that this wasn't done a lot earlier, frankly.
This thread gets so off topic sometimes. I think Texarkana is ripe to become the next major city in the U.S. The potential for growth there is great. Arkansas has been under served by the Interstate Highway system. I for one look forward to seeing I-30 completed NE from Little Rock, hopefully all the way to I-55/I-57. Also, in TX/OK, I have always thought they should just extend I-45 north from Dallas all the way to Tulsa and perhaps beyond that to K.C. US 75 in Texas, essentially what should be I-45 is already meets Interstate standards. A little work bypassing some Podunk towns in OK, US 69/75 could be converted to Interstate standards as well. This country is at least a decade past due for major Interstate additions. The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways has not kept up with the growth in this country at all. 8)
I doesn't sound like Bentonville will have the athletes that Trinity will have next year. That being said Bennie has beat MANY teams the last 5 years that had better athletes.
Not Texas Teams! ;D
Quote from: Billyo62 on June 06, 2013, 02:53:56 pm
I doesn't sound like Bentonville will have the athletes that Trinity will have next year. That being said Bennie has beat MANY teams the last 5 years that had better athletes.
I appreciate you thinking positive. Yes, Trinity usually "out athletes" the competition. That being said Trinity has beat MANY teams the last 5 years that had fewer athletes. ;)
As they should have..??
And those were Texas Teams!
Quote from: Valleysports on June 07, 2013, 11:30:24 am
And those were Texas Teams!
Not every team in Texas is good.
Not any team in Arkansas is good, one is just double the size of the rest!
Come on Valley, you know Bentonville is going to roast those turkeys from Texas like it's Thanksgiving Day...
Ha ha just having fun Earl, and BillyO loves the smack talk! :)
Texas - Honestly I've thought Bentonville would compare to my alma mater REL, better the last couple of years.
Quote from: Valleysports on June 07, 2013, 04:41:56 pm
Texas - Honestly I've thought Bentonville would compare to my alma mater REL, better the last couple of years.
2004
Trinity 42 Tyler Lee 39
#*Trinity 7
Tyler Lee 28 - Semi-Final
2005
Trinity 43
Tyler Lee 14
2006
Trinity 28 Tyler Lee 19
2007
Trinity 21
Tyler Lee 10
2010
Trinity 35
Tyler Lee 0
2011
Trinity 30 Tyler Lee 7
Winner
Home Team
#Playoff game - round noted
*Lee went on to win the state title
Quote from: Texas on June 08, 2013, 01:41:50 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on June 07, 2013, 04:41:56 pm
Ha ha just having fun Earl, and BillyO loves the smack talk! :)
Texas - Honestly I've thought Bentonville would compare to my alma mater REL, better the last couple of years.
2004
Trinity 42 Tyler Lee 39
#*Trinity 7 Tyler Lee 28 - Semi-Final
2005
Trinity 43 Tyler Lee 14
2006
Trinity 28 Tyler Lee 19
2007
Trinity 21 Tyler Lee 10
2010
Trinity 35 Tyler Lee 0
2011
Trinity 30 Tyler Lee 7
Winner
Home Team
#Playoff game - round noted
*Lee went on to win the state title
I seen the beatdown they put on Shiloh .... Does this game have a chance to be worse for our state lol ........ What was the final in last years game with Shiloh I couldn't watch anymore and I hate Shiloh Christian
Quote from: Manningfan on June 08, 2013, 03:10:13 pm
I seen the beatdown they put on Shiloh .... Does this game have a chance to be worse for our state lol ........ What was the final in last years game with Shiloh I couldn't watch anymore and I hate Shiloh Christian
No. I'd say no chance at all.
I hope Bentonville keeps it close and hopefully pulls the upset . I love it when Arkansas schools beat up on out of state teams , however must are from Ok and Mo not Texas
Quote from: Valleysports on June 07, 2013, 04:41:56 pm
Texas - Honestly I've thought Bentonville would compare to my alma mater REL, better the last couple of years.
As you (should) know. No offense to your alma mater. REL has pretty much sucked the last 3 seasons. They went from being a solid well respected year in year out playoff team, to a doormat last place district finisher as of 2010.
Assuming you knew that, your comment is confusing. Are you saying Bentonville sucks? Cause REL does NOW. Bentonville clearly does not suck. Actually, it would be interesting to see Bennie take on REL. I am thinking REL would be one of those athletic teams that get beat like Billy was talking about.
I would have liked to see Springdale's team with Mustain and crew battle a Texas team they were stacked
Quote from: Texas on June 08, 2013, 03:57:58 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on June 07, 2013, 04:41:56 pm
Texas - Honestly I've thought Bentonville would compare to my alma mater REL, better the last couple of years.
Assuming you knew that, your comment is confusing.
I've (I have) thought Bentonville would compare to REL, better (better than compare) the last couple (2) years.
Three years ago REL QB didn't get to play because he had to sit the first 4 games. That QB, Conder, is a regular at my home here in Russellville. Yes I'm saying Bentonville and REL would be a good game the last 3, 5, 6 yrs. Let's don't forget that like Bentonville having advantages over Arkansas Opponents, Trinity has advantages of their own in Texas! LOL
Via Max Preps. Record last five seasons, and all the way back to 2004.
Bentonville 59-5
*State Titles: 2
Record Since 2004: 80-27
Trinity (Euless, Texas) 63-7
*State titles: 1
Record since 2004: 113-14
* just last five seasons
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
Quote from: Manningfan on June 08, 2013, 04:03:58 pm
I would have liked to see Springdale's team with Mustain and crew battle a Texas team they were stacked
We tried to get SLC to play us. They weren't interested. It would have been a good one!
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
Maybe 2
Quote from: DPaul on June 17, 2013, 07:25:32 pm
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
Maybe 2
Nah. Not too worried about Jenks. Especially since it is essentially a home game for Trinity. Anytime we can play at Dragon Field, I'll take it.
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 10:19:57 pm
Quote from: DPaul on June 17, 2013, 07:25:32 pm
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
Maybe 2
Nah. Not too worried about Jenks. Especially since it is essentially a home game for Trinity. Anytime we can play at Dragon Field, I'll take it.
I do love Dragon Stadium minus the sushi of course.
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
wish we could mimic that high power offense they have.... talking about a souped up scheme!!
well, wishing you guys good luck in game 1 next season... hoping y'all come to bennie 1-0 with a full head of steam ;D
Quote from: devil_kid on June 18, 2013, 04:03:46 pm
Quote from: Texas on June 17, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
Quote from: devil_kid on June 16, 2013, 12:44:56 pm
watching a bit of the semi final and state games (youtube) between desoto vs south lake carroll and allen vs houston lamar... VERY impressed with desoto and more specifically dontre wilson. I had never heard of desoto football being mentioned much, VERY impressed with them!
if that ohio state defense plays the next 3 or 4 years like they did last season, dontre wilson is gonna give them a heck of a chance to grab themselves a NC.
DeSoto is always loaded with great athletes. They finally have a top notch coach to go along with the talent. It used to be just another game playing DeSoto. Now I rarely consider Trinity a favorite and frankly pretty much expect to lose regular season games. They blew us out last season. Next season we have to play them the week before coming to AR to play Bentonville, so we will probably have an L already notched.
wish we could mimic that high power offense they have.... talking about a souped up scheme!!
well, wishing you guys good luck in game 1 next season... hoping y'all come to bennie 1-0 with a full head of steam ;D
When we come to Bennie we will be either,
0-2,
1-1 or
2-0
Definitely looking forward to some Tiger stew ;)
So you will leave Bentonville
0-3,
1-2 or
2-1
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on June 18, 2013, 09:21:45 pm
So you will leave Bentonville
0-3,
1-2 or
2-1
Yes. Probably 0-3.
Would love to see this game played on Saturday instead of Friday. Those who have committments to other local high school games will be unable to watch it. If held on Saturday, I am sure it would no doubt be standing room only.
I am trying to picture those big Trinity players trying to fit into the visitors locker room at Bennie. Should be comical.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on June 25, 2013, 01:19:14 pm
I am trying to picture those big Trinity players trying to fit into the visitors locker room at Bennie. Should be comical.
That should come as a big surprise to them, dressing in shifts.
Quote from: runt on June 25, 2013, 10:10:08 am
Would love to see this game played on Saturday instead of Friday. Those who have committments to other local high school games will be unable to watch it. If held on Saturday, I am sure it would no doubt be standing room only.
It would be nice to see this game on a different night, in RRS. I think it could have the potential to draw 20k+ if this were the case. As it stands now, it will be standing room only in Tiger Stadium. I would expect 7k to 8k for the game.
Will be a lot of fun. I'm just glad the Tigers have 2 tough games to prepare for it.
As others have said, it should be a bit of a rebuilding year, but there will be talent on the field. Playing on the road at Rockhurst and hosting BA in the first two weeks should tell us a lot about the team this year.
I am not expecting Bville to beat Trinity, but I think at home Lunney will find a way to keep it close. He doesn't lose very often at home (I'm pretty sure the last home loss was to SS in the playoffs 3 years ago; hate to admit that Bait).
Hope everyone is well! This is my first time to be online since after the loss to Fville last year.
Just an FYI. The Dallas Morning News has made a pick for this game. No, insight or analysis, just a straight up pick and score prediction.
Trinity 35 Bentonville 21 ;D
There was also a public poll (now closed). 80.85% of respondents picked Trinity as compared to 19.15% picking Bentonville. That is weird. I can't figure out how Bentonville got so many votes. ??? I'm sure a few Arkansans picked Bentonville. The rest must have been Trinity rival fans that voted against them cause they hate Trinity. >:(
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/ (http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/)
Quote from: Texas on July 05, 2013, 06:42:37 pm
Just an FYI. The Dallas Morning News has made a pick for this game. No, insight or analysis, just a straight up pick and score prediction.
Trinity 35 Bentonville 21 ;D
There was also a public poll (now closed). 80.85% of respondents picked Trinity as compared to 19.15% picking Bentonville. That is weird. I can't figure out how Bentonville got so many votes. ??? I'm sure a few Arkansans picked Bentonville. The rest must have been Trinity rival fans that voted against them cause they hate Trinity. >:(
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/ (http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/)
Or.. some people just thought Bentonville will win.
It's hard to tell right now what kind of team Trinity will have this year. Trinity should have a massive O-line and D-line plus the rest of the defense will be pretty salty as well. I can't wait to see how Lineweaver uses the many running backs. Hopefully, we can run some smashmouth- three yards and a cloud of dust type offense.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on July 08, 2013, 07:47:59 am
Quote from: Texas on July 05, 2013, 06:42:37 pm
Just an FYI. The Dallas Morning News has made a pick for this game. No, insight or analysis, just a straight up pick and score prediction.
Trinity 35 Bentonville 21 ;D
There was also a public poll (now closed). 80.85% of respondents picked Trinity as compared to 19.15% picking Bentonville. That is weird. I can't figure out how Bentonville got so many votes. ??? I'm sure a few Arkansans picked Bentonville. The rest must have been Trinity rival fans that voted against them cause they hate Trinity. >:(
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/ (http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/24-to-watch-in-2013-wholl-win-the-week-3-matchup-between-euless-trinity-and-bentonville-ark.html/)
Or.. some people just thought Bentonville will win.
It's hard to tell right now what kind of team Trinity will have this year. Trinity should have a massive O-line and D-line plus the rest of the defense will be pretty salty as well. I can't wait to see how Lineweaver uses the many running backs. Hopefully, we can run some smashmouth- three yards and a cloud of dust type offense.
Could be...
However, given it was a
Dallas Morning News poll. Given that most HS football fans in the metroplex are well aware of how good Trinity is and has been the last 10+ years. Given probably very few poll respondents know anything about Bentonville. I bet most of them have never even heard of Bentonville. No offense Bentonville fans. 19.15% should be statistically impossible.
Just sayin'.
Seems like a biased poll should have the spread more than 14 points.
Quote from: runt on June 25, 2013, 10:10:08 am
Would love to see this game played on Saturday instead of Friday. Those who have committments to other local high school games will be unable to watch it. If held on Saturday, I am sure it would no doubt be standing room only.
Bentonville home games are pretty much always standing room only....
Quote from: Spaulding on July 09, 2013, 10:55:24 am
Quote from: runt on June 25, 2013, 10:10:08 am
Would love to see this game played on Saturday instead of Friday. Those who have committments to other local high school games will be unable to watch it. If held on Saturday, I am sure it would no doubt be standing room only.
Bentonville home games are pretty much always standing room only....
I would have loved to see this game on a Saturday afternoon. Say 1400 or so. For the benefit and consideration of the out of town team and fans. I don't know the details of the negotiations. I think our HC should have made this a priority. The team could have left Friday after school. They would not have had to miss school. The fans would not have to take a day off of work for it. Could have either left Friday after work, or early Saturday morning.
It is what it is though.
I don't think there's need to start an additional thread for this, but...be praying for the Bentonville football player who collapsed Monday. It wasn't from the heat, but rather an undetected infection he had (related to his heart, I believe), but he I think he actually had to have surgery (according to the paper) to relieve pressure on his brain. Pray that he's able to make a speedy and full recovery, and enjoy football (if The Lord allows) or more importantly life after football.
Quote from: OPoraquê on July 12, 2013, 10:03:46 am
I don't think there's need to start an additional thread for this, but...be praying for the Bentonville football player who collapsed Monday. It wasn't from the heat, but rather an undetected infection he had (related to his heart, I believe), but he I think he actually had to have surgery (according to the paper) to relieve pressure on his brain. Pray that he's able to make a speedy and full recovery, and enjoy football (if The Lord allows) or more importantly life after football.
scary stuff...prayers from Springdale.
Watched Bennie in the 7 on 7 Friday and Saturday. They better be able to move the ball on the ground from what I saw and I heard today the back up qb decided not to play anymore.
Quote from: spurrr on July 15, 2013, 12:59:03 pm
Watched Bennie in the 7 on 7 Friday and Saturday. They better be able to move the ball on the ground from what I saw and I heard today the back up qb decided not to play anymore.
Which backup quit? That is scarry from what I hear the starter is not great. I have heard a new kid was running back up, but, not sure who it is. However, I'm pretty sure D. Smith little brother will be fine in the backfield. Worried about QB and d-backs this year.
Not sure Bennie has ever won the touch football championship. Not really suited to their style.
I believe they won the same event two ago. They will need to have a little success throwing the ball to win the 7a. I don't think they will line up and run it down everyone's throat this year.
Quote from: OPoraquê on July 12, 2013, 10:03:46 am
I don't think there's need to start an additional thread for this, but...be praying for the Bentonville football player who collapsed Monday. It wasn't from the heat, but rather an undetected infection he had (related to his heart, I believe), but he I think he actually had to have surgery (according to the paper) to relieve pressure on his brain. Pray that he's able to make a speedy and full recovery, and enjoy football (if The Lord allows) or more importantly life after football.
I'm sorry to hear about that? Any word on how he is doing now?
Quote from: spurrr on July 16, 2013, 06:55:44 pm
I believe they won the same event two ago. They will need to have a little success throwing the ball to win the 7a. I don't think they will line up and run it down everyone's throat this year.
Well, one thing you can bank on. Bentonville won't have much success running against Trinity. Trinity's defense is among the best overall in all categories, but the bread and butter of the defense, is their run defense. If Bennie doesn't find a way to mix in some completed passes, they are in for an even longer day than they are already in for.
I stood on the sidelines in 2010 at Rose Stadium and watched et stomp re lee handily but et couldn't win state championship. Should be a good game for awhile anyway.
Quote from: catfish1 on July 18, 2013, 07:06:29 pm
I stood on the sidelines in 2010 at Rose Stadium and watched et stomp re lee handily but et couldn't win state championship. Should be a good game for awhile anyway.
Trinity made one of the most daunting playoff runs I can remember that year but of course losing to Pearland in the title game.
Quote from: DPaul on July 20, 2013, 10:58:24 am
Quote from: catfish1 on July 18, 2013, 07:06:29 pm
I stood on the sidelines in 2010 at Rose Stadium and watched et stomp re lee handily but et couldn't win state championship. Should be a good game for awhile anyway.
Trinity made one of the most daunting playoff runs I can remember that year but of course losing to Pearland in the title game.
I saw a few of their games that year. The Shiloh game, Allen, Coppell and the Pearland game. Brandon Carter was one of the best players I've seen in the last 10 years.
Bentonville doesn't match up well with Trinity. On paper Trinity should soundly beat them. The teams that have given Trinity the most problems historically have been teams that could spread em out and mix it up (Allen, SLC and Desoto).
FYI: Several former and very recent Trojan players and a future Trojan player (Euless Jr High) were involved in a very serious auto accident early this morning. :-[
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9521691/texas-aggies-polo-manukainiu-utah-utes-gaius-vaenuku-killed-car-crash (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9521691/texas-aggies-polo-manukainiu-utah-utes-gaius-vaenuku-killed-car-crash)
The story is not completely accurate. Only one person survived, though his injuries were not minor. Salesi Leka Uhatafe is in critical condition. All in all, four of five passengers died. :'( Polo, Gaius, Lolo and their Uncle Andrew all died. Leka fights on. All Tongans.
H.E.B. I.S.D. Posted a Memories and Reflections page on their website.
"As we mourn the loss of three members of our Trinity family, we invite you to use this page as a place to share thoughts about Gaius Vaenuku (THS Class of 2013), Polo Manukainiu (THS Class of 2012), and Lolo Uhatafe (Euless Junior High student), along with support for Salesi Uhatafe (THS Class of 2013). All messages must be approved before they will appear, but we look forward to posting as many comments as possible.
If you feel comfortable in doing so, please share about the impact these young people have had in your life."
Edit - n/m, Texas posted same information as I was at near same time.
This is what I tell my boys, and I pass these words on to all at Trinity that is pained by this loss.
Know you are not alone, the Lord understands what you are going through and has promised to be with you in every trial of life.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on July 30, 2013, 01:44:47 pm
This is what I tell my boys, and I pass these words on to all at Trinity that is pained by this loss.
Know you are not alone, the Lord understands what you are going through and has promised to be with you in every trial of life.
Very good and true words. Thank you.
Quote from: Texas on July 30, 2013, 03:18:42 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on July 30, 2013, 01:44:47 pm
This is what I tell my boys, and I pass these words on to all at Trinity that is pained by this loss.
Know you are not alone, the Lord understands what you are going through and has promised to be with you in every trial of life.
Very good and true words. Thank you.
My prayers to all. So sad. Well put 2bhs.
Just to clarify...this game is at Bentonville? Correct? The schedule here on Fearless has Bentonville playing @ ET...
This game is at Bentonville. No doubt at it.
Just saw on rivals with Euless Trinity is starting the season ranked #17 nationally. They also play Jenks and Desoto before Bville, so they will be ready.
Bville will have to find a way to stop the power running game of ET and prob need to move the ball through the air.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 08, 2013, 06:33:16 pm
Just saw on rivals with Euless Trinity is starting the season ranked #17 nationally. They also play Jenks and Desoto before Bville, so they will be ready.
Bville will have to find a way to stop the power running game of ET and prob need to move the ball through the air.
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=949
Sheesh, and Broken Arrow (the week-before opponent, also at Bentonville) is in the top 100 as well. (So are South Panola and Union from last year plus both ET's prior-to-Bentonville opponents. NLR's in there, too. So is Har-Ber.)
The d-line coach at Bentonville in today's paper says this may be the best defensive line he's ever seen at the school with 8-9 possible players who can rotate in without a dropoff. He'd better be right...he'll need every one of them. And BA has a Division I QB as well, so BHS will see how far its secondary has to improve pretty quick...
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 09, 2013, 09:23:04 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 08, 2013, 06:33:16 pm
Just saw on rivals with Euless Trinity is starting the season ranked #17 nationally. They also play Jenks and Desoto before Bville, so they will be ready.
Bville will have to find a way to stop the power running game of ET and prob need to move the ball through the air.
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=949
Sheesh, and Broken Arrow (the week-before opponent, also at Bentonville) is in the top 100 as well. (So are South Panola and Union from last year plus both ET's prior-to-Bentonville opponents. NLR's in there, too. So is Har-Ber.)
The d-line coach at Bentonville in today's paper says this may be the best defensive line he's ever seen at the school with 8-9 possible players who can rotate in without a dropoff. He'd better be right...he'll need every one of them. And BA has a Division I QB as well, so BHS will see how far its secondary has to improve pretty quick...
You never know what you will get with Trinity in these kinds of games. Our coach really puts his focus on the district games and the preparation for the playoffs. Last year we had a rather generic game plan for the Bellevue game but on the other side, the Bellevue side, the game was considered a WAR and all of the focus was on Trinity all summer long. We lost, in overtime and we really played a very sloppy game overall.
I'm thinking Jenks, our first game, will benefit the most from the our coaches philosophy this year. If I could wave a magic wand and change the focus on winning the early games, Trinity might go undefeated.
I figure that is every good coaches strategy in non conference.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 09, 2013, 04:41:08 pm
I figure that is every good coaches strategy in non conference.
I do agree with the approach but not all coaches (Bellevue) treat the games with the same emphasis. I guess if the best team I'm going to face all year is a team from Texas, I would go all out to beat them. It certainly didn't hurt Bellevue because of the lack of competition in Washington.
Trinity faced several teams that I would say were better that Bellevue but we beat anyway, oh and lost to as well.
I hope I am not coming off as disrespectful of Bellevue, they are a great football program and great people too.
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
I think Bentonville has already proven they have a top notch program. For Bennies sake I hope they show up and represent their program like it deserves.
Can anyone else see how the Texicans are laying the foundation for excuses after the loss. The ole "it is more important to you than it is to us" lame duck
Seems like any coach and team would try to win. I hear that excuse a lot in Arkansas football as well.
Quote from: phdefense on August 09, 2013, 11:57:55 pm
Can anyone else see how the Texicans are laying the foundation for excuses after the loss. The ole "it is more important to you than it is to us" lame duck
Don't paint me with that brush. No excuses here. After traveling oos last year and losing I believe our boys and coaches will do everything possible to not have that happen again. Buy I do agree with TT80 that Trinity does place more emphasis on district and playoff games than non-district games. And I do believe when TT80 says these oos games are more bigger to the team playing against the Texas team. It's almost kind of a no win situation with Trinity. Similiar to why the big college teams don't like to schedule good mid major teams. Nothing to win, everything to lose kind of deal....but if Bennie wins then good job. We'll go home pop open a cold one, grab us some Texas BBQ and say dang that sucked again. Then make a playoff run.
And why do you guys think that Bentonville will pull all stops to win this? I just bet their goal this year is more to win a state championship than to beat a team from Texas. I could be wrong though.
I think we explained it.
Quote from: DPaul on August 10, 2013, 10:13:40 am
I think we explained it.
Look the Texicans need to explain things to us. haha
Quote from: DPaul on August 10, 2013, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 09, 2013, 11:57:55 pm
Can anyone else see how the Texicans are laying the foundation for excuses after the loss. The ole "it is more important to you than it is to us" lame duck
Don't paint me with that brush. No excuses here. After traveling oos last year and losing I believe our boys and coaches will do everything possible to not have that happen again. Buy I do agree with TT80 that Trinity does place more emphasis on district and playoff games than non-district games. And I do believe when TT80 says these oos games are more bigger to the team playing against the Texas team. It's almost kind of a no win situation with Trinity. Similiar to why the big college teams don't like to schedule good mid major teams. Nothing to win, everything to lose kind of deal....but if Bennie wins then good job. We'll go home pop open a cold one, grab us some Texas BBQ and say dang that sucked again. Then make a playoff run.
We put, I certainly am not expecting to have to go home a loser but it will not ruin our season.
We do have a good team and there is always a fine line to walk if you come off too arrogant.
Coach Lineweaver does not like us to beat our drum too much. He is a humble man and will go out of his way to have a "teaching" moment with the kids individually and as a team. He usually does whatever it takes not to embarrass another team, coach or community. He says there is no value in humiliating another team.
I know but what about Shiloh Christian? We played every player on the roster, which should help the situation but our bench was so deep all that did was keep all of our players fresh. It was a TV game so they had to keep the clock running normally. We ran only off-tackle the whole second half.
I will beat our drum but in a backwards way..
I am proud to have a coach like Steve Lineweaver!
I have seen Trinity have the ball on the other team's 5 yd line and kneel down. To go into the halftime up 50-0. Then arrange for the clock to run continuously for the second half and have the final of the game 50-6.
Of course none of this stuff comes into play since these two teams should be pretty evenly matched. I was just talking about when a clearly lesser team could have been embarrassed but Lineweaver didn't go for the throat.
I dont know about evenly matched but I also don't see a 50 point spread. I figure both teams will get what they need out of this contest. According to those who know Texas and Arkansas football it seems they are expecting Bennie to have no chance. I think if the top of Arkansas football can keep it competitive for 4 quarters it will be a good showing for the state.
Quote from: phdefense on August 09, 2013, 11:57:55 pm
Can anyone else see how the Texicans are laying the foundation for excuses after the loss. The ole "it is more important to you than it is to us" lame duck
Yeah. I can see how you might think that. On our local (Texas, http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/forum.php) board, Trinity fans have a reputation of being sandbaggers. That is to say, they think we intentionally undersell our team and point out negatives about our team, and unrealistically give other (lesser) teams too much credit for having a realistic chance of beating Trinity. The thing is, we as fans of Trinity are humble. That mentality comes partly from our Coach. I think it partly comes from seeing games we just knew our team was going to win, end up losing. On top of all that, since gaining this rep we have started to play that role intentionally.
Me? I am a realist. I consider myself to be an extremely objective person, including in sports. Of course I have been known to be wrong too. Generally I tell it like it is. Or at least how I think it is, but I am objective (conservative) in my opinion.
I was having a conversation with my brother over the phone the other day. TT80 is my brother. I was complaining about the FACT that Coach Lineweaver does not gameplan for non-district games much. Now usually this really isn't much of a problem as Trinity is vastly superior to most teams they play. However, when you travel 2,500+ miles and play against a team (Bellevue) with an offense nobody else has and you happen to have a QB that is subpar to what you have had... ...EVER! Not game planning or putting an emphasis on winning really sucks. Or when you are playing a top 5 team (DeSoto), you are going to lose. I had little doubt Trinity was going to lose to DeSoto. DeSoto was really good. I made the point that a team should try to win every game they play. That is the very nature of sports. What kind of lesson does it teach to blow off this game or that game. Ultimate goal is certainly not to go undefeated. I get that. Another problem is, because Trinity is so much better than most others teams, we really need to take advantage of playing high caliber opponents like DeSoto, to prepare us for the playoffs. But that's just me. ;)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 10, 2013, 07:56:06 pm
I dont know about evenly matched but I also don't see a 50 point spread. I figure both teams will get what they need out of this contest. According to those who know Texas and Arkansas football it seems they are expecting Bennie to have no chance. I think if the top of Arkansas football can keep it competitive for 4 quarters it will be a good showing for the state.
My objective opinion about this game as I see it right now...
Coming into this I wasn't completely sure. I figured Trinity was and should be the favorite and likely to win, but I also knew it was a travel game and know that Bennie is as close to the best Arkansas has to offer. The more I read on this thread, watched videos of Bennie in action, studied and researched, the more I am convinced it will not be pretty. Honestly I think Trinity dominates from the opening kickoff. I don't know about a 50 point spread either (probably not), but lets just say a comfortable margin. Trinity is bigger, faster and deeper. ;D :P ::)
Trinity released their roster.
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/trinity-trojans-(euless,tx)/football/roster.htm
Quote from: elswagado on August 11, 2013, 11:20:55 am
Trinity released their roster.
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/trinity-trojans-(euless,tx)/football/roster.htm
70 seniors
21 jrs
3 sophs
I think this roster subject to change.
Trinity will have two JV's and several freshman teams.
This video is a few years old. My favorite quote is what Conner Cole says at the very end. "Coaches talk about playing so hard your opponent loses their next game as well.". :o I lol'd when I heard that.
http://youtu.be/LboBcvx2caI (http://youtu.be/LboBcvx2caI)
Hey, Trinity fans.
Do you still have any Congolese (Congo DRC / Congo-Kinshasa) players on your team like the Yenga brothers a few years back? Our business supports Brazilian and Congo-K ministries and I thought it was cool that THS had football players from the DRC, let alone such highly-decorated ones (Yuri Yenga was the DMF DPOY a few years back as I recall).
(Funny thing was that Texas Tech had a few as well, neither from Trinity, in Patrice Majondo-Mwamba and (all-name team) Loliki Bongo-Wanga even earlier than that, though a JuCo connection in California. Patrice M-M even made it to the NFL briefly. Fitting that they both played during the Mike Leach era given how wacky (but winning) that guy was.)
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 11, 2013, 02:45:13 pm
Hey, Trinity fans.
Do you still have any Congolese (Congo DRC / Congo-Kinshasa) players on your team like the Yenga brothers a few years back? Our business supports Brazilian and Congo-K ministries and I thought it was cool that THS had football players from the DRC, let alone such highly-decorated ones (Yuri Yenga was the DMF DPOY a few years back as I recall).
(Funny thing was that Texas Tech had a few as well, neither from Trinity, in Patrice Majondo-Mwamba and (all-name team) Loliki Bongo-Wanga even earlier than that, though a JuCo connection in California. Patrice M-M even made it to the NFL briefly. Fitting that they both played during the Mike Leach era given how wacky (but winning) that guy was.)
Dany Mulanga is a stud 6'4 200 safety... I think that last name is DRC origin? Don't know the kid personally so that's a guess off names.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Quote from: fastdrop on August 11, 2013, 06:13:00 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Sorry you feel that way. I can see if you root for every AR team to beat Bville, but I (and I'm sure most on here) will always root for an AR team to beat an out of state team.
I hope Harber beats Webb City, I hope Fville beats Jeff City and I hope NLR beats S Panola. All of these wins would be good for the state and potentially help CBB's recruiting efforts.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 11, 2013, 07:47:30 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on August 11, 2013, 06:13:00 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Sorry you feel that way. I can see if you root for every AR team to beat Bville, but I (and I'm sure most on here) will always root for an AR team to beat an out of state team.
I hope Harber beats Webb City, I hope Fville beats Jeff City and I hope NLR beats S Panola. All of these wins would be good for the state and potentially help CBB's recruiting efforts.
Well, the problem is, FD's favorite team is whomever is playing Arkansas.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 11, 2013, 07:47:30 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on August 11, 2013, 06:13:00 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Sorry you feel that way. I can see if you root for every AR team to beat Bville, but I (and I'm sure most on here) will always root for an AR team to beat an out of state team.
I hope Harber beats Webb City, I hope Fville beats Jeff City and I hope NLR beats S Panola. All of these wins would be good for the state and potentially help CBB's recruiting efforts.
Interesting to me how over the years I have seen people use most or all feel this way or that way(like they know). I could care less what Bentonville does. Not a hater - I just don't give a rip.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
In '07 that mentality was put to the test when Miami Northwestern came to Dallas to play Southlake Carroll. SLC for the most part is looked at as The Evil Empire here and the casual fan roots for their demise. But Texas rallied around SLC when they played MNW. Y'all may have heard Texans have alot of Texas pride and if it's Texas vs another state then well we're Lone Star true and through.
Quote from: ricepig on August 11, 2013, 08:00:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 11, 2013, 07:47:30 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on August 11, 2013, 06:13:00 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 09, 2013, 08:37:21 pm
Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Sorry you feel that way. I can see if you root for every AR team to beat Bville, but I (and I'm sure most on here) will always root for an AR team to beat an out of state team.
I hope Harber beats Webb City, I hope Fville beats Jeff City and I hope NLR beats S Panola. All of these wins would be good for the state and potentially help CBB's recruiting efforts.
Well, the problem is, FD's favorite team is whomever is playing Hogville.
FIFY
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Interesting perspective from an ET fan.
I do believe this game is much bigger for Bville than for ET. ET should win, so it's just another noncon game for them.
To Bville (and all of HS football in AR) this game is much bigger. We are trying to prove that AR football has improved and we can hang with a prominent TX program and National power.
Many on here like to bash the Tigers, and will enjoy it if we lose big, but hopefully deep inside they are all pulling for Bville to hang with ET and maybe even pull the upset.
Naw .... I could care less if Bentonville wins doodly squat against Texas, tim but two, or Arkansas teams.
Sorry you feel that way. I can see if you root for every AR team to beat Bville, but I (and I'm sure most on here) will always root for an AR team to beat an out of state team.
I hope Harber beats Webb City, I hope Fville beats Jeff City and I hope NLR beats S Panola. All of these wins would be good for the state and potentially help CBB's recruiting efforts.
Unfortunately the last 5-6 years it's become fashionable to bash Bentonville in anyway possible. The once small town doormat of sports grew into the big evil empire in many folks mind.
So are y'all saying that when this game is played there will be a ton of Arkansas high school football fans pulling for Trinity?
Without a doubt!!!!!!
Quote from: DPaul on August 12, 2013, 01:56:32 pm
So are y'all saying that when this game is played there will be a ton of Arkansas high school football fans pulling for Trinity?
Yes, in fact I think many would like to see a score like Trinity vs the ( school not to be mentioned on a 7A board)
Could care less the score of this game. It's week 4 and on that count and week 4 is going to be a good one!
After watching Bville in team camp and 7 on 7 I'll pick Trinity by 3 scores.
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 02:13:29 pm
Could care less the score of this game. It's week 4 and on that count and week 4 is going to be a good one!
After watching Bville in team camp and 7 on 7 I'll pick Trinity by 3 scores.
When was the last time Har-Ber played Bennie when they had a losing record going into conference play. That may happen this year. Good luck. It has been a few YEARS since Bennie lost a conference game before the playoffs and it wasn't to Har-Ber.
Didn't predict a winner or loser in the Bennie HB game. Just said it will be a good one. I have no dog in the hunt anymore. It's just a game I will enjoy watching.
I've felt for years that due to quality coaching Bennie was ahead of their opponents at the start of the year. It seems to me the don't get much better through the year. This year talent or lack of may catch up to them. They will be well prepared and well coached but they may not have enough studs in the stable this year.
As I said , week 4 starts the season that counts. Fayetteville has done a really good job of demonstrating that the past 2 years.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 12, 2013, 02:09:33 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 12, 2013, 01:56:32 pm
So are y'all saying that when this game is played there will be a ton of Arkansas high school football fans pulling for Trinity?
Yes, in fact I think many would like to see a score like Trinity vs the ( school not to be mentioned on a 7A board)
Somethin about that just doesn't seem right.
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 02:51:48 pm
Didn't predict a winner or loser in the Bennie HB game. Just said it will be a good one. I have no dog in the hunt anymore. It's just a game I will enjoy watching.
I've felt for years that due to quality coaching Bennie was ahead of their opponents at the start of the year. It seems to me the don't get much better through the year. This year talent or lack of may catch up to them. They will be well prepared and well coached but they may not have enough studs in the stable this year.
As I said , week 4 starts the season that counts. Fayetteville has done a really good job of demonstrating that the past 2 years.
I agree with that part 100%, I have thought the last few years they were stale by week 5.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 12, 2013, 03:21:15 pm
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 02:51:48 pm
Didn't predict a winner or loser in the Bennie HB game. Just said it will be a good one. I have no dog in the hunt anymore. It's just a game I will enjoy watching.
I've felt for years that due to quality coaching Bennie was ahead of their opponents at the start of the year. It seems to me the don't get much better through the year. This year talent or lack of may catch up to them. They will be well prepared and well coached but they may not have enough studs in the stable this year.
As I said , week 4 starts the season that counts. Fayetteville has done a really good job of demonstrating that the past 2 years.
I agree with that part 100%, I have thought the last few years they were stale by week 5.
They were stale because none of the other teams step up to challenge them. And then they go through the year not pushing themselves in longer and a team at the end sneaks up on them. Except last year Fay was just better than bville.
It's not the other teams fault Bennie didn't win a title. If you are a great team you rise to the occasion and overcome.
In 2011, they were overconfident. After thrashing Fville early in the season Fville continued to improve through the year.
In 2012, they beat Fville during regular season but Fville continues to improve and takes the title again.
Fville fond a way to get better playing the same teams Bennie played.
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 05:32:42 pm
It's not the other teams fault Bennie didn't win a title. If you are a great team you rise to the occasion and overcome.
In 2011, they were overconfident. After thrashing Fville early in the season Fville continued to improve through the year.
In 2012, they beat Fville during regular season but Fville continues to improve and takes the title again.
Fville fond a way to get better playing the same teams Bennie played.
Who on here or anywhere ever said that? They are 35-2 the last three years it's not like they need any sympathy or excuses for the loser teams.
Good news Bentonville fans.
Trinity has played five OOS opponents in five seasons. Four of them went on to win their state title. Only Union failed to win a title, but they were current OK State champs when we played them.
Quote from: Texas on August 12, 2013, 07:36:03 pm
Good news Bentonville fans.
Trinity has played five OOS opponents in five seasons. Four of them went on to win their state title. Only Union failed to win a title, but they were current OK State champs when we played them.
Good news, friend Texas!
Last season, Bentonville played, and beat (in the regular season and in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E) four teams that won between them 10 state championships in their state's largest division over the past five years. One of them was South Panola, as you know, who according to both Rivals and
USA Today won the national title that would have been yours had Pearland not played out of their minds in 2010's sc. Last year, SP had this guy (said to be the #2 safety in the nation at the hs level) (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tony_conner_856404.html) and that guy (also a Rivals 4-star) (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/deon_mix_854709.html) who, with their teammates, were going to pound Bennie into the ground. After they left (Arkansas) Tiger Stadium, they DID beat every other Mississippi team they played.
Some of us have wanted Bentonville to play a top Texas team for awhile. Glad it's finally happening. Maybe we'll lose big. The Shiloh Christian matchup wasn't that long ago, and our QB definitely is WAAAAAY less heralded than theirs was. I'm glad this game is at Bennie. Yet whatever the score I don't think our guys are going to quit. And I don't think (though maybe I'm wrong) that the "Arkansas Tigers" will be any more afraid of (or any less respectful of) your guys than they have been of the others they've played recently.
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 12, 2013, 10:06:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 12, 2013, 07:36:03 pm
Good news Bentonville fans.
Trinity has played five OOS opponents in five seasons. Four of them went on to win their state title. Only Union failed to win a title, but they were current OK State champs when we played them.
Good news, friend Texas!
Last season, Bentonville played, and beat (in the regular season and in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E) four teams that won between them 10 state championships in their state's largest division over the past five years. One of them was South Panola, as you know, who according to both Rivals and USA Today won the national title that would have been yours had Pearland not played out of their minds in 2010's sc. Last year, SP had this guy (said to be the #2 safety in the nation at the hs level) (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tony_conner_856404.html) and that guy (also a Rivals 4-star) (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/deon_mix_854709.html) who, with their teammates, were going to pound Bennie into the ground. After they left (Arkansas) Tiger Stadium, they DID beat every other Mississippi team they played.
Some of us have wanted Bentonville to play a top Texas team for awhile. Glad it's finally happening. Maybe we'll lose big. The Shiloh Christian matchup wasn't that long ago, and our QB definitely is WAAAAAY less heralded than theirs was. I'm glad this game is at Bennie. Yet whatever the score I don't think our guys are going to quit. And I don't think (though maybe I'm wrong) that the "Arkansas Tigers" will be any more afraid of (or any less respectful of) your guys than they have been of the others they've played recently.
Yep. Definitely familiar with S. Pan.
Kiehl Frazier was one of the best HS QB's I have ever seen play in person. He was amazing considering the long odds of what he was facing. Statistically it wasn't all that impressive, but when you factor in the fact he was running for his life on every play, it is amazing he survived the game.
Good news Bentonville fans,
Texas also picked Trinity big over Bellevue. :) had to
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 12, 2013, 02:09:33 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 12, 2013, 01:56:32 pm
So are y'all saying that when this game is played there will be a ton of Arkansas high school football fans pulling for Trinity?
Yes, in fact I think many would like to see a score like Trinity vs the ( school not to be mentioned on a 7A board)
DPaul, Arkansawer's aren't taught state pride, like Texans, from an early age. They don't have history like the Alamo, live in the biggest state in the Lower 48, have pro teams to rally behind, or that "we don't need your help" Lone Star Mentality. One fourth of the state is beautiful, Clinton is from Arkansas (pride of some), Duck Hunting Capital of the World. In the last 20yrs the state has been divided into Have's and Have Not's. NW Arkansas being the Have's, the rest of the state being the Have Not's. Bentonville's success in HS sports, parallels their growth to a thousand more students than anyone else. Other than envy, one thing that has caused the hatred, is some Bentonville Fans rubbing the noses of the Have Not's in Bentonville's new found success. This might not be so bad, if SE Arkansas wasn't absolutely coming unraveled economically as well as socially. That's just my unbiased observation.
Quote from: DPaul on August 13, 2013, 06:53:18 am
Good news Bentonville fans,
Texas also picked Trinity big over Bellevue. :) had to
Impossible. Me? No way! I think saying what I think may happen and actually picking are two different things. You may be right, but I do no recall. I do remember feeling confident though. Trust me, if I knew just how bad the QB play was going to be last season, I would have been a little more cautious in my assessment. At any rate, Trinity dang near pulled it off.
BTW, I have not actually made a pick on this game. I probably won't either.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 12, 2013, 02:09:33 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 12, 2013, 01:56:32 pm
So are y'all saying that when this game is played there will be a ton of Arkansas high school football fans pulling for Trinity?
Yes, in fact I think many would like to see a score like Trinity vs the ( school not to be mentioned on a 7A board)
DPaul, Arkansawer's aren't taught state pride, like Texans, from an early age. They don't have history like the Alamo, live in the biggest state in the Lower 48, have pro teams to rally behind, or that "we don't need your help" Lone Star Mentality. One fourth of the state is beautiful, Clinton is from Arkansas (pride of some), Duck Hunting Capital of the World. In the last 20yrs the state has been divided into Have's and Have Not's. NW Arkansas being the Have's, the rest of the state being the Have Not's. Bentonville's success in HS sports, parallels their growth to a thousand more students than anyone else. Other than envy, one thing that has caused the hatred, is some Bentonville Fans rubbing the noses of the Have Not's in Bentonville's new found success. This might not be so bad, if SE Arkansas wasn't absolutely coming unraveled economically as well as socially. That's just my unbiased observation.
Interesting. It is a shame there is a lack of state pride. :( I know all states are not created equal from an outsiders perspective, but every state has something to be proud of.
As for Haves and have nots, we have that here too. This is really a psychological thing though. What I have found is that the haves are largely unaware, first that they are haves, second that there is animosity toward them from the nots. Socio-Economically speaking, there is not much that can be done about this. People are born into being what they are. If they are happy with where they stand, fine. If not, they are the only ones who can change it. Anyway, straying too close to politics, so I'll just leave it at that.
From a purely football perspective, in Texas I suppose there are haves and have nots. I guess though I would need to know exactly what you mean, though one aspect that is clear is that you are referring to enrollment. In Texas, we have Allen. Most believe Allen would just be an average team if they didn't have 5,300 students! :o Allen has the nicest, newest, biggest HS stadium and facilities too.
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Quote from: DPaul on August 13, 2013, 06:53:18 am
Good news Bentonville fans,
Texas also picked Trinity big over Bellevue. :) had to
Impossible. Me? No way! I think saying what I think may happen and actually picking are two different things. You may be right, but I do no recall. I do remember feeling confident though. Trust me, if I knew just how bad the QB play was going to be last season, I would have been a little more cautious in my assessment. At any rate, Trinity dang near pulled it off.
BTW, I have not actually made a pick on this game. I probably won't either.
Rephrase:
Good news Bentonville fans,
Texas was overly confident Trinity would railroad Bellevue too...better? :)
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
With Jenks, Desoto, Bennie and Colleyville Heritage there is enough concern to go around.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
Quote from: DPaul on August 13, 2013, 01:11:19 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
Broken Arrow, OK
Very well could go 0-4 to start the season. Anything better than 2-2 after the first 4 and they will be favored to win state.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 01:26:59 pm
Very well could go 0-4 to start the season. Anything better than 2-2 after the first 4 and they will be favored to win state.
That I agree with, but I think even 2-2 and they will be favored.
One last weird thing about 2010:
Right about, and perhaps the very week of, the Texas 5A SC games Bennie was interviewing two candidates for superintendant, and one of them (http://bentonvillek12.org/web/news/?Id=1454) was the then-"Super" of the Pearland School District, Dr. Bonny Cain. (http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/pearland/news/article_4a23178e-8112-5199-b222-6e3e92293a66.html) That was also the same year Bennie went 13-0 in football.
Even though her tenure was nearing an end I guess that she saw better things in "the Great State" (and great it indeed is).
BTW, someone said one-fourth of Arkansas is beautiful. If you're going by forests and hills, that's closer to one-half in reality. And it could be 100% for those of us (and they're out there) who can appreciate the beauty of river deltas and flatlands (the latter of which Texas knows a lot about as well, no insult intended).
Broken Arrow will also be out for blood this year. Runner-ups in 2011 and 2-and-done last year, they may have again the best athletes in the state. Plus, with H-B right after ET, ain't no break for Bennie. :)
Isn't it time to get down to the real business of trash talking? Football season is almost here, Billyo has been let out of jail, and Oporaque is already trying to confuse us with his big words.
Texas SUX
Bentonville SUX
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
Isn't it time to get down to the real business of trash talking? Football season is almost here, Billyo has been let out of jail, and Oporaque is already trying to confuse us with his big words.
Texas SUX
Bentonville SUX
Hey give me a break, I was in Jail for a long time , I am weak very weak I tell you, I may not get up to speed for a few weeks. But I am Black and Gold and will be in my Tiger Gear when they come up here to the rock.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 12, 2013, 05:41:34 pm
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 05:32:42 pm
It's not the other teams fault Bennie didn't win a title. If you are a great team you rise to the occasion and overcome.
In 2011, they were overconfident. After thrashing Fville early in the season Fville continued to improve through the year.
In 2012, they beat Fville during regular season but Fville continues to improve and takes the title again.
Fville fond a way to get better playing the same teams Bennie played.
Who on here or anywhere ever said that? They are 35-2 the last three years it's not like they need any sympathy or excuses for the loser teams.
Actually 2bhboys said it was because the other teams wouldn't step up the competition and Bennie got stale
Billy and "the Rock":
(http://www.brazil.com.bz/images/billy.jpg)
EDIT: Lunney responds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKYyYGf4l8Y
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 13, 2013, 01:47:30 pm
BTW, someone said one-fourth of Arkansas is beautiful. If you're going by forests and hills, that's closer to one-half in reality. And it could be 100% for those of us (and they're out there) who can appreciate the beauty of river deltas and flatlands (the latter of which Texas knows a lot about as well, no insult intended).
Oh hush, no one is talking about appreciating - I've lived a third of my life in both state! Besides people either prefer Hills or Flatland, not many people go both ways, all though with a name like Oporque well.. DPaul it's simple here, many have migrated to NW Arkansas, from all over the state, leaving the SE in poverty and crime. Nothing like what you are thinking. ANYHOW - no one should fault them for not pulling for Bentonville. Back to the game. I'm gonna have to see this just to make sure the reports are accurate. ;D
Going to my duck blind - Oporque ;)
(http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/download/file.php?id=72754&t=1)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
Isn't it time to get down to the real business of trash talking? Football season is almost here, Billyo has been let out of jail, and Oporaque is already trying to confuse us with his big words.
Texas SUX
Bentonville SUX
Ahhhh.....look who is still trying to grow into their big boy pants:)
Glad your back Billyo!
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Yeah. That's a home game though. Oh. Well, might as well be. Dragon Stadium anyway. If Oklahoma had a decent HS football message board, I'd be over there talking to them about the game too. So far though I haven't found one.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
Isn't it time to get down to the real business of trash talking? Football season is almost here, Billyo has been let out of jail, and Oporaque is already trying to confuse us with his big words.
Texas SUX
Bentonville SUX
Please tell me there will be a different thread for the **Euless Trinity at Bentonville, Official Game Thread**. I can't stand coming here seeing my home town misspelled. E-U-L-E-S-S
Otherwise, I am not a huge trash talker. It seems for the most part pointless. I like to let the results on the field speak for themselves.
Hey Tex.....Have you ever made a typo? I know I have.
I hope the results speak on the field....if not I pity you. :)
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
Quote from: spurrr on August 12, 2013, 05:32:42 pm
It's not the other teams fault Bennie didn't win a title. If you are a great team you rise to the occasion and overcome.
In 2011, they were overconfident. After thrashing Fville early in the season Fville continued to improve through the year.
In 2012, they beat Fville during regular season but Fville continues to improve and takes the title again.
Fville fond a way to get better playing the same teams Bennie played.
I really don't see your logic on this one, especially since the regular-season game and the state title game is only four weeks apart, and neither team played on one of those weeks. Had they played earlier in the regular season and it happened, it could have been more likely.
As far as Bentonville being overconfident in 2011? I don't think so.
It sure didn't help Bentonville's cause that its offensive line was crippled, and it became worse when the starting center went out with a knee injury. Fayetteville also had a great defensive plan of blitzing constantly and smelled blood when Bentonville's offensive line became even more wounded.
As far as 2012, the regular season game boiled down to Bentonville catching Fayetteville by surprise with one trick play. That wasn't happening in the championship game.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
Yep Texas is way too nice, like a big ol fluffy teddy bear. Lol
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 13, 2013, 06:40:43 pm
Hey Tex.....Have you ever made a typo? I know I have.
I hope the results speak on the field....if not I pity you. :)
Yes. I realize it was probably a typo. Was just saying. I wasn't actually trying to be critical. Sorry if it came out that way.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
*rimshot
Just another Trinity fan here. We're looking forward to traveling to Bentonville for the game. Not hearing much about tickets down here so if you have any info to pass along, we'd appreciate it.
Not sure what Trinity has this year but with their schedule, they could very easily go 0 - 3 or maybe 1 - 2 to start the season.
Quote from: Texas on August 13, 2013, 09:05:08 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 13, 2013, 06:40:43 pm
Hey Tex.....Have you ever made a typo? I know I have.
I hope the results speak on the field....if not I pity you. :)
Yes. I realize it was probably a typo. Was just saying. I wasn't actually trying to be critical. Sorry if it came out that way.
You are correct you wasn't trying to be critical you were succeeding in being critical. Typical texican attitude of "they don't do anything wrong". Can't even admit to doing what it was obviously doing.
What is going on? I repeat....WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?
Have I been transported back to Kindergarten.....where everyone drinks the Kool-Aid and calls each other sunshine? Lets just all hold hands!
It's almost Football time! Snap out of it!!!! :)
Exactly, what she said! ::)
Quote from: DPaul on August 13, 2013, 01:11:19 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 12:19:51 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 13, 2013, 01:11:19 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 14, 2013, 11:25:38 am
What is going on? I repeat....WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?
Have I been transported back to Kindergarten.....where everyone drinks the Kool-Aid and calls each other sunshine? Lets just all hold hands!
It's almost Football time! Snap out of it!!!! :)
This is the year of niceness, I love everyone on here no matter how stupid their posts might be.
I would even hug Baitshop if it was physically possible. ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 15, 2013, 07:28:54 am
Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 12:19:51 am
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
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If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
I'm old enough to remember when Blue Springs split. Everyone was so happy and then BOTH schools turned into powerhouse teams for awhile. Blue Springs has a great program.
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
I'm old enough to remember when Blue Springs split. Everyone was so happy and then BOTH schools turned into powerhouse teams for awhile. Blue Springs has a great program.
So am I. Graduated in 95. Anyway, looking forward to the game. I think rock probably has a bitter taste from last year. Then again, rock, by most accounts, wasn't all that. Alot of injuries and the team chemistry wasn't great.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
I'm old enough to remember when Blue Springs split. Everyone was so happy and then BOTH schools turned into powerhouse teams for awhile. Blue Springs has a great program.
So am I. Graduated in 95. Anyway, looking forward to the game. I think rock probably has a bitter taste from last year. Then again, rock, by most accounts, wasn't all that. Alot of injuries and the team chemistry wasn't great.
I graduated in 80. Not sure if he was still coaching back in 95 , but do you remember Dennis Bullard.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 13, 2013, 01:07:53 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
I'm old enough to remember when Blue Springs split. Everyone was so happy and then BOTH schools turned into powerhouse teams for awhile. Blue Springs has a great program.
So am I. Graduated in 95. Anyway, looking forward to the game. I think rock probably has a bitter taste from last year. Then again, rock, by most accounts, wasn't all that. Alot of injuries and the team chemistry wasn't great.
I graduated in 80. Not sure if he was still coaching back in 95 , but do you remember Dennis Bullard.
Hahahaha oh yeah. He kicked my butt a few times.
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
Broken Arrow, OK
So, ya think the rematch will be a rock w?
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 12:58:48 pm
If I were Trinity I would be more concerned with Jenks than how bad they are going to beat a little ole Arkansas team.
Bentonville will start the season 1-2, then they get a break and play in the 7A west.
With their lone win coming against?........... ???
First time poster and big Rockhurst fan. I come in peace.
I don't know a whole lot about the Rockhurst team this season, other than they have a stud QB. As always, they will be solid.
Bennie has my respect. Any ideas from people in the know what Rock brings? I see zero talk about them on these forums. Maybe a bit early?
Will Green be their starting QB this year?
Ya know, I truly think so. Ahmad Tyler and him are battling in camp, but in the end I think green has too much talent.
Billy, do you have any info?
Rock state
Normally I would say yes, But last year when Bentonville played Rockhurst my Hawklet sources got very stingy with any real info. I was told last year that Green has skills, of course we all know who his daddy is. Now that I have moved back to KC from Bentonville it's a little strange. I will be at the game wearing Tiger gear. Both of my sons would have attended Rockhurst, then we moved to Bentonville and now we are a Tiger family.
I went to rockhurst. Currently live in Austin, Tx. But I will be up on work so ill be at that game. I know that there hasn't been alot of fanfare for this rock team. Normally, that's good. When they have people talking, they tend to underachieve. Blue springs is the team to best on paper. Them again, rock had great underclass men. So it's tough to tell.
I'm old enough to remember when Blue Springs split. Everyone was so happy and then BOTH schools turned into powerhouse teams for awhile. Blue Springs has a great program.
So am I. Graduated in 95. Anyway, looking forward to the game. I think rock probably has a bitter taste from last year. Then again, rock, by most accounts, wasn't all that. Alot of injuries and the team chemistry wasn't great.
I graduated in 80. Not sure if he was still coaching back in 95 , but do you remember Dennis Bullard.
Hahahaha oh yeah. He kicked my butt a few times.
He is a very good friend of mine and has been forever. In fact His brother and I are borrowing his motor home this weekend to go up to the Outlaw Fuel altered Alcohol/Nitro Dragster Nationals in Eddyville, Iowa.. Leave at 8:00 AM tomorrow. Small world. He is still built like a bowling ball!
So you think rock wins this one? Per your post above about broken arrow being bennies victory in starting 1-2?
Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 11:08:53 am
So you think rock wins this one? Per your post above about broken arrow being bennies victory in starting 1-2?
I do, I think the Hawklets have revenge on their mind and take this one at VPD memorial stadium. That said, I want Bentonville to win this game. Had a co worker tell me how Bentonville players will be shocked with Rockhurst's stadium and the crowd I had to LAUGH.
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Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 11:08:53 am
So you think rock wins this one? Per your post above about broken arrow being bennies victory in starting 1-2?
I do, I think the Hawklets have revenge on their mind and take this one at VPD memorial stadium. That said, I want Bentonville to win this game. Had a co worker tell me how Bentonville players will be shocked with Rockhurst's stadium and the crowd I had to LAUGH.
Um, yeah, your coworker doesn't know bentonville obviously. It will depend on the trenches as usual. I am confident in the rockhurst skill guys. Green is legit. We will see.
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Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 11:08:53 am
So you think rock wins this one? Per your post above about broken arrow being bennies victory in starting 1-2?
I do, I think the Hawklets have revenge on their mind and take this one at VPD memorial stadium. That said, I want Bentonville to win this game. Had a co worker tell me how Bentonville players will be shocked with Rockhurst's stadium and the crowd I had to LAUGH.
Um, yeah, your coworker doesn't know bentonville obviously. It will depend on the trenches as usual. I am confident in the rockhurst skill guys. Green is legit. We will see.
Like I said, I think Coach Tony may have not had a QB early last year and a few players were out that game. Should be a great game
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Quote from: Rockstate on August 15, 2013, 11:08:53 am
So you think rock wins this one? Per your post above about broken arrow being bennies victory in starting 1-2?
I do, I think the Hawklets have revenge on their mind and take this one at VPD memorial stadium. That said, I want Bentonville to win this game. Had a co worker tell me how Bentonville players will be shocked with Rockhurst's stadium and the crowd I had to LAUGH.
Um, yeah, your coworker doesn't know bentonville obviously. It will depend on the trenches as usual. I am confident in the rockhurst skill guys. Green is legit. We will see.
Like I said, I think Coach Tony may have not had a QB early last year and a few players were out that game. Should be a great game
Injuries are excuses. They had a 4 QB rotation last year. Brown transferred, vickers is a Wichita state baseball commit so he quit. It's between Tyler and green.
Also, the quintessential rockhurst blazing RB. Rumor is they have that back. But, like I said, I'm kinda out of the loop.
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What is going on? I repeat....WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?
Have I been transported back to Kindergarten.....where everyone drinks the Kool-Aid and calls each other sunshine? Lets just all hold hands!
It's almost Football time! Snap out of it!!!! :)
This is the year of niceness, I love everyone on here no matter how stupid their posts might be.
I would even hug Baitshop if it was physically possible. ;)
I can accept that. Niceness is always good. We shall see how long that lasts. :)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
Arkansas - 3 million people, 5 last names..... Is that better? 8)
Sorry, that's the best I can do. My stepson went to Trinity and I'm a freak for HS football. Raised in Tucson, my greatest joy in being in DFW is the quality of play I get to see. Went to 25 games last year. Looking to break that this year as all State PO games will be played at Jerry World... uh, the Death Star...um... The Land of the $15 Hot Dog. ;)
Looking forward to the trip up to B'ville. Hope to see at least the beginning of a change of colors.
Oh, and Arkansas stole Kansas' name. Whassup with that??
Quote from: Strider324 on August 15, 2013, 10:24:46 pm
Oh, and Arkansas stole Kansas' name. Whassup with that??
Your first post, and you had to go with that? Tsk, tsk, tsk. ::)
FYI, on March 2, 1819, Congress created the Territory of Arkansas out of the Missouri Territory.
On June 15, 1836, Arkansas became a state.
Kansas didn't become a territory until 1854 as part of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and didn't become a state until 1861.
Needless to say, you swung .... and you missed, rookie.
Wonder why they created the territory of Arkansas? Missouri probably wanted a cushion between them and Louisiana (being Canadian Criminals and all). Or maybe they just didn't want to deal with Pine Bluff (being worse). Well we showed them! ;D
Quote from: Valleysports on August 16, 2013, 06:03:20 am
Wonder why they created the territory of Arkansas? Missouri probably wanted a cushion between them and Louisiana (being Canadian Criminals and all). Or maybe they just didn't want to deal with Pine Bluff (being worse). Well we showed them! ;D
Louisianna sucks.
Something we can all agree on.
That's what I'm talking about Strider. +1
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Quote from: Strider324 on August 15, 2013, 10:24:46 pm
Oh, and Arkansas stole Kansas' name. Whassup with that??
Your first post, and you had to go with that? Tsk, tsk, tsk. ::)
FYI, on March 2, 1819, Congress created the Territory of Arkansas out of the Missouri Territory.
On June 15, 1836, Arkansas became a state.
Kansas didn't become a territory until 1854 as part of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and didn't become a state until 1861.
Needless to say, you swung .... and you missed, rookie.
So... you're good with the inbreeding thing though. 8)
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Quote from: SouthpawSensation on August 16, 2013, 12:01:44 am
Quote from: Strider324 on August 15, 2013, 10:24:46 pm
Oh, and Arkansas stole Kansas' name. Whassup with that??
Your first post, and you had to go with that? Tsk, tsk, tsk. ::)
FYI, on March 2, 1819, Congress created the Territory of Arkansas out of the Missouri Territory.
On June 15, 1836, Arkansas became a state.
Kansas didn't become a territory until 1854 as part of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and didn't become a state until 1861.
Needless to say, you swung .... and you missed, rookie.
So... you're good with the inbreeding thing though. 8)
Let's leave your sister out of this.
Good one olddog.
Before this thread is over....
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QuoteLet's leave your sister out of this.
Yes, let's. She was born in Batesville.....
;D
I've been keeping an eye out. It's finally happened.
Student Sports has placed Bentonville at #46 in their Pre-Season Fab 50.
http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-preseason-rankings-38-50/ (http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-preseason-rankings-38-50/)
This is the first national pre-season poll I have seen Bentonville on. :) Of course Trinity has pretty much been in all of them. ;) Trinity BTW is #22 in this same poll.
What is the criteria for this poll since a lot of teams field a new group of players each year?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 17, 2013, 09:15:10 am
What is the criteria for this poll since a lot of teams field a new group of players each year?
That's a good question.
I found this: The FAB 50 is the only national ranking that has champions listed back to 1910 and is considered the continuation of the National Sports News Service rankings that began in 1927.
The FAB 50 rankings are directed by Mark Tennis (who has compiled national rankings in various sports for nearly 20 years) with input from National High School Hall of Fame member Doug Huff along with Brian Stumpf, V.P. of Football Events for Student Sports. Contributing: Todd Huber, Bob Masajo, Paul Muyskens, Michael White.Complete poll: http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-complete-preseason-football-rankings/ (http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-complete-preseason-football-rankings/)
Most of these polls are based on recent seasons history/performance, SOS, # of returning starters etc... Plus the fact that some guy writes for a National HS website, he is automatically considered an "expert".
Personally, I don't like polls. They are fun to look at, but I don't give much legitimacy to them. State polls, although meaningless are going to be more accurate. National polls though are laughable.
I thought they summed this up perfectly...
Outlook:Head coach Steve Lineweaver is looking to return Trinity to form after losing more than two games last fall for the first time since 2004. The Trojans' formula for success is there, with a terrific returning offensive line, a stable of capable backs, including a potential breakout star in Antonio Franklin, and a stingy defense. Trinity should have no problem being the bully as it usually is, but the questions will be can the Trojans match up with the speed of a team like DeSoto and can they play better from behind or in competitive games than they did last fall.
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:16:09 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 17, 2013, 09:15:10 am
What is the criteria for this poll since a lot of teams field a new group of players each year?
That's a good question.
I found this: The FAB 50 is the only national ranking that has champions listed back to 1910 and is considered the continuation of the National Sports News Service rankings that began in 1927.
The FAB 50 rankings are directed by Mark Tennis (who has compiled national rankings in various sports for nearly 20 years) with input from National High School Hall of Fame member Doug Huff along with Brian Stumpf, V.P. of Football Events for Student Sports. Contributing: Todd Huber, Bob Masajo, Paul Muyskens, Michael White.
Complete poll: http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-complete-preseason-football-rankings/ (http://www.studentsports.com/blog/2013/08/16/fab-50-complete-preseason-football-rankings/)
Most of these polls are based on recent seasons history/performance, SOS, # of returning starters etc... Plus the fact that some guy writes for a National HS website, he is automatically considered an "expert".
Personally, I don't like polls. They are fun to look at, but I don't give much legitimacy to them. State polls, although meaningless are going to be more accurate. National polls though are laughable.
The real question is if you understand the difference in a poll and a ranking.
Well.....Polls have been wrong before. Thought it was more lets see it on the field.
IMO this will be the Test that Bentonville needs to pass if it wants to get Regional Respect.
Quote from: DPaul on August 17, 2013, 04:03:55 pm
I thought they summed this up perfectly...
Outlook:Head coach Steve Lineweaver is looking to return Trinity to form after losing more than two games last fall for the first time since 2004. The Trojans' formula for success is there, with a terrific returning offensive line, a stable of capable backs, including a potential breakout star in Antonio Franklin, and a stingy defense. Trinity should have no problem being the bully as it usually is, but the questions will be can the Trojans match up with the speed of a team like DeSoto and can they play better from behind or in competitive games than they did last fall.
I went to Trinity's intrasquad scrimmage this morning. My visit was brief since I had to leave work and get back within an hour but here is what I saw.
It looks like Deon is the starting QB and he looked pretty good out there. It's nice to see a QB with his size and speed calling signals.
Our defense is pretty specia andl Hafoka Olie is a beast and so quick, he was getting into the backfield so quickly.
Quote from: Lions84 on August 17, 2013, 07:35:15 pm
IMO this will be the Test that Bentonville needs to pass if it wants to get Regional Respect.
Just curious, what does Bentonville need to do to "pass the test" in your opinion?
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on August 17, 2013, 07:46:24 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 17, 2013, 04:03:55 pm
I thought they summed this up perfectly...
Outlook:Head coach Steve Lineweaver is looking to return Trinity to form after losing more than two games last fall for the first time since 2004. The Trojans' formula for success is there, with a terrific returning offensive line, a stable of capable backs, including a potential breakout star in Antonio Franklin, and a stingy defense. Trinity should have no problem being the bully as it usually is, but the questions will be can the Trojans match up with the speed of a team like DeSoto and can they play better from behind or in competitive games than they did last fall.
I went to Trinity's intrasquad scrimmage this morning. My visit was brief since I had to leave work and get back within an hour but here is what I saw.
It looks like Deon is the starting QB and he looked pretty good out there. It's nice to see a QB with his size and speed calling signals.
Our defense is pretty specia andl Hafoka Olie is a beast and so quick, he was getting into the backfield so quickly.
Thanks for the report. I hope you didn't work too hard. :-\
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on August 17, 2013, 07:46:24 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 17, 2013, 04:03:55 pm
I thought they summed this up perfectly...
Outlook:Head coach Steve Lineweaver is looking to return Trinity to form after losing more than two games last fall for the first time since 2004. The Trojans' formula for success is there, with a terrific returning offensive line, a stable of capable backs, including a potential breakout star in Antonio Franklin, and a stingy defense. Trinity should have no problem being the bully as it usually is, but the questions will be can the Trojans match up with the speed of a team like DeSoto and can they play better from behind or in competitive games than they did last fall.
I went to Trinity's intrasquad scrimmage this morning. My visit was brief since I had to leave work and get back within an hour but here is what I saw.
It looks like Deon is the starting QB and he looked pretty good out there. It's nice to see a QB with his size and speed calling signals.
Our defense is pretty specia andl Hafoka Olie is a beast and so quick, he was getting into the backfield so quickly.
That makes me smile. I knew Olie is a beast but the 3rd sentence.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
I wonder if you asked the Coach and the players of Bentonville that, if they would agree?
Isn't that why we all Love football?......Because anything can happen? Anyone can win or be beat?
I think so.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
I wonder if you asked the Coach and the players of Bentonville that, if they would agree?
Isn't that why we all Love football?......Because anything can happen? Anyone can win or be beat?
I think so.
Sooo the Bentonville coaches and players are logged in making posts in here too?
Weird thing...given Superintendant Poore's declaration a week ago that Bentonville's enrollment will start at 4,200 students this Monday, that would make BHS the 7th biggest high school in the State of Texas (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) right now, were they located in "the Great State".
That's still almost inconceivable to me.
Quote from: DPaul on August 17, 2013, 11:39:39 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
I wonder if you asked the Coach and the players of Bentonville that, if they would agree?
Isn't that why we all Love football?......Because anything can happen? Anyone can win or be beat?
I think so.
Sooo the Bentonville coaches and players are logged in making posts in here too?
Do you know for certain they aren't?
Anything is possible. But I would imagine that they believe they" The Tigers "will be the team to win.:)
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 11:45:41 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 17, 2013, 11:39:39 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
I wonder if you asked the Coach and the players of Bentonville that, if they would agree?
Isn't that why we all Love football?......Because anything can happen? Anyone can win or be beat?
I think so.
Sooo the Bentonville coaches and players are logged in making posts in here too?
Do you know for certain they aren't?
Anything is possible. But I would imagine that they believe they" The Tigers "will be the team to win.:)
I have no idea hence the question mark. I think the general consensus in here has been a feeling that Trinity will win this game. That's what Texas was saying.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 17, 2013, 10:34:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 17, 2013, 10:21:47 pm
Some interesting comments.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3 (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3)
Someone quoted Fearless on another website that they think the majority of Bentonville Arkansas the Tigers think they are going to lose?
That's false.
Really? That's weird. Most of the comments I have read here seem to indicate that. Most say, (paraphrasing) "Trinity should win, I just hope Bentonville keeps it close.", or something to that affect. Of course I know there are a few comments here and there that say Bentonville will win the game.
I wonder if you asked the Coach and the players of Bentonville that, if they would agree?
Isn't that why we all Love football?......Because anything can happen? Anyone can win or be beat?
I think so.
I would assume, and hope, they would say they look forward to the game and are confident they can play well enough to have a chance to win.
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 17, 2013, 11:42:37 pm
Weird thing...given Superintendant Poore's declaration a week ago that Bentonville's enrollment will start at 4,200 students this Monday, that would make BHS the 7th biggest high school in the State of Texas (http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/5A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf) right now, were they located in "the Great State".
That's still almost inconceivable to me.
+1,000 on Trinity
Numbers suggest a Bentonville win? ???
I would be disappointed in the Bentonville program if they looked at this as a game they couldn't win. I haven't seen many Bentonville supporters posting much about this game and it has been years since I have seen a player on here.
How long has Trinity's coach been there? How many state championships?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 18, 2013, 08:02:48 pm
I would be disappointed in the Bentonville program if they looked at this as a game they couldn't win. I haven't seen many Bentonville supporters posting much about this game and it has been years since I have seen a player on here.
How long has Trinity's coach been there? How many state championships?
Since 2000. So this will be his 13th season as Trinity HC. Three state titles. He also has one title with 3A Commerce.
Very impressive!
It is nice to see when good things happen to good people. :)
What team(s) is considered the most physical team in Arkansas no matter the class? And the most finesse?
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
HarBer would get my vote for the must physical team for Southside year in and year out....
And I don't see Greenwood so much as a finesse team as I would a team of precise execution...
JMHO
Quote from: Lions84 on August 17, 2013, 07:35:15 pm
IMO this will be the Test that Bentonville needs to pass if it wants to get Regional Respect.
Really, They have defeated Rockhurst, Broken Arrow, South Panola, Texas, Ft. Zum West and anyone from other states that will play them. None of those teams are Trinity but they are as good as anyone in Arkansas. If they beat Trinity they will get national respect.
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Oh ok. Are them teams in 7A?
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 01:20:14 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Oh ok. Are them teams in 7A?
Cabot and West Memphis are, but they are not that physical of teams, they just like to run the ball. Bentonville hammered West Memphis the last 2 years and Cabot always loses in the playoffs before they get to Bentonville.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 20, 2013, 01:26:44 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 01:20:14 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Oh ok. Are them teams in 7A?
Cabot and West Memphis are, but they are not that physical of teams, they just like to run the ball. Bentonville hammered West Memphis the last 2 years and Cabot always loses in the playoffs before they get to Bentonville.
So is Bentonville considered a physical team?
When you think of Texas, the teams that come to mind as being physical are Trinity, Katy and Cibolo Steele....there are others I'm sure that I havnt seen.
Finesse teams...Colleyville Heritage and SLC although the Kenny Hill SLC teams were alot more physical. Some Texas posters might disagree with the SLC reference but that's just my opinion.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto:
IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 01:46:10 pm
So is Bentonville considered a physical team?
When you think of Texas, the teams that come to mind as being physical are Trinity, Katy and Cibolo Steele....there are others I'm sure that I havnt seen.
Finesse teams...Colleyville Heritage and SLC although the Kenny Hill SLC teams were alot more physical. Some Texas posters might disagree with the SLC reference but that's just my opinion.
Allen is kind of a hybrid. When you first think Allen, you immediately think finesse. However Allen has always had really strong line play, strong in the trenches. They are no Trinity, but they can play with Trinity to a certain extent on a physical level.
With all due respect Tulsa Union is no slouch nationally and Bennie sees them every year.
Texas, FWIW, back when Texas High (4A, I know) played Bentonville in 2010, their coach described BHS as being like Highland Park. ETHS would overwhelm HPHS, but I don't think Highland Park has 4,200 students, either. (Neither does Bentonville have Matt Stafford, either, at least not yet. ;) )
I wouldn't consider the Cabot and West Memphis physical though. Both of those teams run Wing T and Dead T. If those teams run into good passing or really any team that can run and pass they will usually lose.....bad. They don't have good defenses.
All of these teams have had moderate success the last couple of years. Well...Northside hasn't. The top 3 physical teams usually have the best lines in the state every year (in that order). North Little Rock always has size too but up until recently they haven't done a whole lot with it.
Most Physical
Bentonville
Harber
FS South Side
North Little Rock
Pine Bluff
El Dorado
Finesse
Fayetteville (though they've had decent lines the last few years but they are still more pass first then a run team)
Greenwood
Pulaski Academy
Northside
Rogers Heritage
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 20, 2013, 02:08:17 pm
With all due respect Tulsa Union is no slouch nationally and Bennie sees them every year.
They see them in a 2 quarter scrimmage.
Quote from: businesstron on August 20, 2013, 04:54:08 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 20, 2013, 02:08:17 pm
With all due respect Tulsa Union is no slouch nationally and Bennie sees them every year.
They see them in a 2 quarter scrimmage.
Actually, Bentonville is playing Owasso this year at Union. Har-Ber will get to play Union in the two-quarter scrimmage this year to close things out there.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 20, 2013, 09:51:12 am
HarBer would get my vote for the must physical team for Southside year in and year out....
And I don't see Greenwood so much as a finesse team as I would a team of precise execution...
JMHO
For the most part, I agree with Bait.
When I think physical, I think SS, Harber and West Memphis
When I think finesse, I think Northside, Heritage and probably Greenwood (I don't get to see GW play)
Bville, Fville and NLR are both IMO. These 3 teams typically have the athletes and coaching to do both when needed.
Quote from: Texas on August 20, 2013, 01:58:31 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto: IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
That's why I'm looking forward to this game. I know that Bville/Fville/NLR are regional powers, but this game is more of the National test. Trinity is a proven power, and beating them (even playing them close) would be huge for Bville and I think for the state of AR.
We won't argue who's the best program in AR (I would put NLR at 3 and we can argue all day on 1 and 2). This time around Trinity will truly see one of the best programs in AR. Can't wait to see what happens.
Quote from: Texas on August 20, 2013, 01:58:31 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto: IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
So much so an uneducated few will go as far as calling Trinity dirty. They are far from dirty, they just play to the whistle and hit hard. Sure there are a few incidents that people can point to but every team has a few of them not so proud moments. People/Pansies get playing to the whistle confused with dirty play.
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 10:04:56 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 20, 2013, 01:58:31 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto: IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
So much so an uneducated few will go as far as calling Trinity dirty. They are far from dirty, they just play to the whistle and hit hard. Sure there are a few incidents that people can point to but every team has a few of them not so proud moments. People/Pansies get playing to the whistle confused with dirty play.
I was watching a video the other day, from a few seasons back. One Trojan player said, (paraphrasing) "(Trinity) Coaches tell us to hit them (they other team) so hard that they lose the next game too.", implying they will still be thinking about their last game against Trinity.
Trinity is a tough matchup for anybody. Deadly combination of size, strength, power, speed, aggressiveness, athleticism and coaching.
Listening to these comments I am really surprised they ever lose. They sound like they would give the Dallas Cowboys a good game.
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 10:04:56 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 20, 2013, 01:58:31 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto: IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
So much so an uneducated few will go as far as calling Trinity dirty. They are far from dirty, they just play to the whistle and hit hard. Sure there are a few incidents that people can point to but every team has a few of them not so proud moments. People/Pansies get playing to the whistle confused with dirty play.
Maybe they accuse them of dirty play when instead of playing to the whistle they play through the whistle.
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
Quote from: phdefense on August 21, 2013, 08:53:54 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 20, 2013, 10:04:56 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 20, 2013, 01:58:31 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 20, 2013, 08:32:31 am
Quote from: phdefense on August 20, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Most Physical: Cabot/West Memphis
Most Finesse: Greenwood
Obviously physical doesn't = Wins
Prediction: Trinity will be the most physical team Bentonville has ever seen/played. Trinity's motto: IAR2 = If it ain't rough, it ain't right!
Trinity hits hard on offense and defense and plays to the whistle.
So much so an uneducated few will go as far as calling Trinity dirty. They are far from dirty, they just play to the whistle and hit hard. Sure there are a few incidents that people can point to but every team has a few of them not so proud moments. People/Pansies get playing to the whistle confused with dirty play.
Maybe they accuse them of dirty play when instead of playing to the whistle they play through the whistle.
It's a fine line.
I can't speak for all Tiger fans, but I don't think Barry Lunney would schedule this game if he didn't think his team could win it. That said I don't think this is the best of timing, but you gotta play with what you got and don't make excuses. Bentonville will be small this year hopefully they make up for it with some grit. For you Texas folks on here, Shiloh is a tiny little private school with a Jerry Jones sized ego. We knew that game was going to be embarrassing and was sad to watch. They had a handful of good players that were over hyped and that was it.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 21, 2013, 08:01:09 am
Listening to these comments I am really surprised they ever lose. They sound like they would give the Dallas Cowboys a good game.
Well, they don't lose often. The thing is, there are some really good teams here and a bad game can mean a loss. Or a good game against an opponent just as good as you are, a few bounces here or there, a turnover or what have you can equal a loss.
Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 01:40:46 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 21, 2013, 08:01:09 am
Listening to these comments I am really surprised they ever lose. They sound like they would give the Dallas Cowboys a good game.
Well, they don't lose often. The thing is, there are some really good teams here and a bad game can mean a loss. Or a good game against an opponent just as good as you are, a few bounces here or there, a turnover or what have you can equal a loss.
Trinity's district schedule isn't all that tough, please. they play the tough teams before district and in the playoffs.
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
Yeah, the ignorant ones possibly. FWIW, the Trinity fans I talked to all recognized that Shiloh should not be considered typical of AR football. I am not even sure why our coach took the game, other than buying into the hype and drinking the kool-aid. I assure you, though there are probably a few, that opinion is an extreme minority.
As for Bennie's student pop., so what? We certainly have played just as big or bigger schools than that and one thing is for certain, size does give an advantage over a lot of other teams, but in no way means a winner. Just look at the Plano school to disprove that. Plano, PESH and West are all over the map and are inconsistent. They have good years and bad years and usually under achieve.
Not sure why you picked Southlake specifically as a comparison, but I get that Bentonville has a lot of community support for the HS team. If that were not the case, I doubt they would have experienced this level of success.
I have said it before, yes I do know Trinity can lose this game. I am not sure if there will be a whole lot of revenge seekers on the field playing DeSoto. Also, it just so happens Lineweaver is in fact a master pschycologist. Or a Masters in Psychology or something like that. Anyway, the man is a master motivator that is for sure. Trinity plays in "big games" several times a year, so dwelling on one loss or focusing just on one opponent shouldn't be a problem, they are used to playing back to back high quality opponents.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 01:45:29 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 01:40:46 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 21, 2013, 08:01:09 am
Listening to these comments I am really surprised they ever lose. They sound like they would give the Dallas Cowboys a good game.
Well, they don't lose often. The thing is, there are some really good teams here and a bad game can mean a loss. Or a good game against an opponent just as good as you are, a few bounces here or there, a turnover or what have you can equal a loss.
Trinity's district schedule isn't all that tough, please. they play the tough teams before district and in the playoffs.
Yes I know. Not one of the tougher districts, at least in the Metroplex. I never said that. This is why coach tries to schedule good teams in pre-district, and of course, then there is the playoffs every year.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 12:13:28 pm
I can't speak for all Tiger fans, but I don't think Barry Lunney would schedule this game if he didn't think his team could win it. That said I don't think this is the best of timing, but you gotta play with what you got and don't make excuses. Bentonville will be small this year hopefully they make up for it with some grit. For you Texas folks on here, Shiloh is a tiny little private school with a Jerry Jones sized ego. We knew that game was going to be embarrassing and was sad to watch. They had a handful of good players that were over hyped and that was it.
True that. Of course, Bentonville can win this game, but it will be a tough task. This is why Coach Lunney wanted the challenge.
Makes you wonder what the heck Shiloh's HC was thinking. ???
Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 02:24:19 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
Yeah, the ignorant ones possibly. FWIW, the Trinity fans I talked to all recognized that Shiloh should not be considered typical of AR football. I am not even sure why our coach took the game, other than buying into the hype and drinking the kool-aid. I assure you, though there are probably a few, that opinion is an extreme majority.
As for Bennie's student pop., so what? We certainly have played just as big or bigger schools than that and one thing is for certain, size does give an advantage over a lot of other teams, but in no way means a winner. Just look at the Plano school to disprove that. Plano, PESH and West are all over the map and are inconsistent. They have good years and bad years and usually under achieve.
Not sure why you picked Southlake specifically as a comparison, but I get that Bentonville has a lot of community support for the HS team. If that were not the case, I doubt they would have experienced this level of success.
I have said it before, yes I do know Trinity can lose this game. I am not sure if there will be a whole lot of revenge seekers on the field playing DeSoto. Also, it just so happens Lineweaver is in fact a master pschycologist. Or a Masters in Psychology or something like that. Anyway, the man is a master motivator that is for sure. Trinity plays in "big games" several times a year, so dwelling on one loss or focusing just on one opponent shouldn't be a problem, they are used to playing back to back high quality opponents.
Bentonville is not like a suburb of a major city, It's not like a Town or City in Texas or anywhere for that matter. Almost no one that lives there has any real long term history with the city of Bentonville. It's a temporary stop for people around the country and the world that work for Wal-Mart or their vendors. I was there 7 years, some stay longer but almost no one is actually from Bentonville anymore.
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Listening to these comments I am really surprised they ever lose. They sound like they would give the Dallas Cowboys a good game.
Well, they don't lose often. The thing is, there are some really good teams here and a bad game can mean a loss. Or a good game against an opponent just as good as you are, a few bounces here or there, a turnover or what have you can equal a loss.
Trinity's district schedule isn't all that tough, please. they play the tough teams before district and in the playoffs.
Yes I know. Not one of the tougher districts, at least in the Metroplex. I never said that. This is why coach tries to schedule good teams in pre-district, and of course, then there is the playoffs every year.
Exactly, it's not Trinity's fault about the district and it has nothing to say about their program. They will play anyone to start the season and the playoffs! Well I think anyone that follows high school football knows, it don't get any tougher than the playoffs in Texas..
Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 02:31:23 pm
Makes you wonder what the heck Shiloh's HC was thinking. ???
Oh, I'm sure he sincerely thought they could win. I don't think anyone outside of the Shiloh faithful thought that, but they drink a lot of kook-aid over there...
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
I would say Shiloh was one of Arkansas's best that year. Bentonville and Fayetteville would've been the only teams that would've been locks to beat them and even those would've been competitive for atleast half the game. I would've had Shiloh the favorite to beat Southside.
The only thing that really needs to be brought into presepctive is the gaps between teams in Arkansas. That year it was Bentonville, Fayetteville GAAAAAAAP then Shiloh and a bunch of other teams.
Bentonville's demographics may be similar to SLC but they are miles apart as far as talent goes. SLC worse team in the last 10 year would beat Bentonville's best team.
The Jenks and Desoto game are worse matchups for Trinity. Bentonville will have to a lot to win.
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Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 02:31:23 pm
Makes you wonder what the heck Shiloh's HC was thinking. ???
Oh, I'm sure he sincerely thought they could win. I don't think anyone outside of the Shiloh faithful thought that, but they drink a lot of kook-aid over there...
Our Texas friends may have no idea how accurate that statement is.
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
I would say Shiloh was one of Arkansas's best that year. Bentonville and Fayetteville would've been the only teams that would've been locks to beat them and even those would've been competitive for atleast half the game. I would've had Shiloh the favorite to beat Southside.
The only thing that really needs to be brought into presepctive is the gaps between teams in Arkansas. That year it was Bentonville, Fayetteville GAAAAAAAP then Shiloh and a bunch of other teams.
Bentonville's demographics may be similar to SLC but they are miles apart as far as talent goes. SLC worse team in the last 10 year would beat Bentonville's best team.
The Jenks and Desoto game are worse matchups for Trinity. Bentonville will have to a lot to win.
If you really believe that than you have a football IQ around ZERO.
Exactly!
Businesstron,
Sure would have been fun to pit Bentonville '10 or '11 against some of those SLC teams. Maybe not the Chase Daniel or Riley Dodge or that QB from last year who signed with aTm ones, or maybe so. (Remembering how Bennie '10 faced no fewer than six (seven if you count the Bartlesville QB who was Dartmouth's leading receiver last season, I believe) quarterbacks who accounted for somewhere between 30,000-50,000 yards total offense between them, with 5 getting and signing 'ships to play football (the 6th could have had he wanted as he was the previous year's state championship game MVP as a junior), 4 still playing to this day, 3 of them on DI teams, 1 slated as a starter (God help him) on an SEC West team (and his backup isn't bad, either).)
I luv ya' man, but it's said that legends only get bigger as time passes. Unless, however, that "legend" is an undefeated SC team like Bennie, in which case, the accomplishment diminishes...
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Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
I would say Shiloh was one of Arkansas's best that year. Bentonville and Fayetteville would've been the only teams that would've been locks to beat them and even those would've been competitive for atleast half the game. I would've had Shiloh the favorite to beat Southside.
The only thing that really needs to be brought into presepctive is the gaps between teams in Arkansas. That year it was Bentonville, Fayetteville GAAAAAAAP then Shiloh and a bunch of other teams.
Bentonville's demographics may be similar to SLC but they are miles apart as far as talent goes. SLC worse team in the last 10 year would beat Bentonville's best team.
The Jenks and Desoto game are worse matchups for Trinity. Bentonville will have to a lot to win.
If you really believe that than you have a football IQ around ZERO.
http://calpreps.com/2010/ratings/Arkansas_all.htm
I'm not using that poll as validation but let's look at the teams on it. I was actually wrong. Bentonville was the only team that year that I would've been 100% sure they would've beaten Shiloh....but they would've given up points.
Harber and Fayettiville and defenses sucked that year. Bentonville's wasn't that great on defense either. Northside scored over 40 points on them. Harber scored 50 on them. I didn't see anything from those teams on defense that year to lead me to believe they would be able to stop Shiloh Christian.
Shiloh would've scored 30 points on any of the top teams in Arkansas easily that year. At worst they were the 4th best team. If you put them anything below that your delusional... Either way at 4th they are still one of the best in the state.
CLUNK!
businesstron, that was the sound of several Bentonville fans collectively fainting when you actually used a stat from Calpreps, who actually had Bentonville finishing 21st that wonderful season (http://calpreps.com/2010/ratings/National_all.htm).
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 05:31:59 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 04:25:57 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
I would say Shiloh was one of Arkansas's best that year. Bentonville and Fayetteville would've been the only teams that would've been locks to beat them and even those would've been competitive for atleast half the game. I would've had Shiloh the favorite to beat Southside.
The only thing that really needs to be brought into presepctive is the gaps between teams in Arkansas. That year it was Bentonville, Fayetteville GAAAAAAAP then Shiloh and a bunch of other teams.
Bentonville's demographics may be similar to SLC but they are miles apart as far as talent goes. SLC worse team in the last 10 year would beat Bentonville's best team.
The Jenks and Desoto game are worse matchups for Trinity. Bentonville will have to a lot to win.
If you really believe that than you have a football IQ around ZERO.
http://calpreps.com/2010/ratings/Arkansas_all.htm
I'm not using that poll as validation but let's look at the teams on it. I was actually wrong. Bentonville was the only team that year that I would've been 100% sure they would've beaten Shiloh....but they would've given up points.
Harber and Fayettiville and defenses sucked that year. Bentonville's wasn't that great on defense either. Northside scored over 40 points on them. Harber scored 50 on them. I didn't see anything from those teams on defense that year to lead me to believe they would be able to stop Shiloh Christian.
Shiloh would've scored 30 points on any of the top teams in Arkansas easily that year. At worst they were the 4th best team. If you put them anything below that your delusional... Either way at 4th they are still one of the best in the state.
like I said ZERO football IQ.. dude you will lose this I lived 15 minutes from Shiloh, it is a little tiny private school with no depth and that year they had a few good players and beat up on little farm school teams...
Didn't calpreps have Shilow ranked number 1 or 2 nationally before they played Trinity? Seems like that was the case but I don't have enough desire to even research it since they were as irrelevant then as they are now.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 21, 2013, 05:50:26 pm
Didn't calpreps have Shilow ranked number 1 or 2 nationally before they played Trinity? Seems like that was the case but I don't have enough desire to even research it since they were as irrelevant then as they are now.
Yep..
B-tron never actually watched Shiloh and watched how they worked the 25 kids that dressed out. No kidding if someone got hurt against those little farm schools they would put in little pudgy Pete because his dad was a Gold donor.
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 08:57:29 am
Some of my Texan brethren are very proud. I think this will be a very good game. The truth is, lot of Texan folks were fooled by the Shiloh game and don't realize that Shiloh - while very good that year - was not representative of Arkansas' best. I don't think it's understood that Bentonville pulls from 4,000 kids, has a very Southlake-esque demographic of successful parents/children who sink their time into the program, and will have plenty of their own size & depth & talent.
Trinity wins this game 8 times out of 10, in my opinion, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think Bentonville can win this game, or if they think that Bentonville's a podunk program who hasn't played very good teams before. Trinity is going to sink their hearts into that Desoto game (revenge match in a game that was extremely heated last year with trash talk & taunting) the week before, Lineweaver is going to have to play master psychologist to keep his team on point for Bentonville, and Bentonville's too good for Trinity to bring their B game and expect a win.
I do think Trinity's physicality is at a different level than even a Union, that part's not exaggeration.
I would say Shiloh was one of Arkansas's best that year. Bentonville and Fayetteville would've been the only teams that would've been locks to beat them and even those would've been competitive for atleast half the game. I would've had Shiloh the favorite to beat Southside.
The only thing that really needs to be brought into presepctive is the gaps between teams in Arkansas. That year it was Bentonville, Fayetteville GAAAAAAAP then Shiloh and a bunch of other teams.
::)
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 05:55:34 pm
B-tron never actually watched Shiloh and watched how they worked the 25 kids that dressed out. No kidding if someone got hurt against those little farm schools they would put in little pudgy Pete because his dad was a Gold donor.
I saw Shiloh humiliate fayetteville in their scrimmage in 2009. I was at the Shiloh trinity game in 2010 and watched the greenwood and PA games on Tv. I was at every significant Bentonville game in 2010 except the state championship, I watched that on this site. Then went to a couple of Harber, fayetteville and southside games on the side as well.
You (and your folks) also didn't comprehend the first sentence. I said dont take that poll as validation. I've blasted it myself in the past. I posted to show you the good teams in Arkansas that year. All I had to see was the score from that Harber vs Fayetteville game to remember 2010 was the year the 7a west forgot how to play defense.
So I know what I'm talking about. The funny part is some of yll were posting those calpreps rankings like it was the gospel back then.
Trinity didnt beat Shiloh because they were the bigger school and had more depth. Trinity was just the better team. Five times better to be exact that game was over before anyone on Shiloh side had a chance to get tired.
We debated this in 2010 and nobody then gave me a good reason why any of the top 7am team would've stopped Shiloh. Here's your chance now.....
I am not comparing Southlake (where I'm around a lot) to Bentonville (where I lived for 7 years) in any way other than their kids are usually kids whose parents are hard-working, expect success, and have lots of resources. You get a pool of 4000 kids with families like that and a program like Bentonville has and it's going to be more solid than some expect - perhaps not you, individually, Texas. I post on 5ATF, I see a lot of folks saying they don't see BVille keeping it close.
That game was 80-26 and could have been 100+ to 7 or 14. So businesstron how good is Bennie this year as compared to Shiloh that year? What about Trinity? Do you think it will be 80-26 type of game?
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 05:31:59 pm
http://calpreps.com/2010/ratings/Arkansas_all.htm
I'm not using that poll as validation but let's look at the teams on it. I was actually wrong. Bentonville was the only team that year that I would've been 100% sure they would've beaten Shiloh....but they would've given up points.
Harber and Fayettiville and defenses sucked that year. Bentonville's wasn't that great on defense either. Northside scored over 40 points on them. Harber scored 50 on them. I didn't see anything from those teams on defense that year to lead me to believe they would be able to stop Shiloh Christian.
Shiloh would've scored 30 points on any of the top teams in Arkansas easily that year. At worst they were the 4th best team. If you put them anything below that your delusional... Either way at 4th they are still one of the best in the state.
Dude. What planet are you on?
Using a poll even to as a tool to make a point is incredibly shallow. Polls/ratings, especially computer ratings are not proof of anything. How many times (if you are being honest and were paying attention) have you seen team from a pre-season college poll, end up with four or more losses to end the season? Polls and ratings are fun to look at, but are completely meaningless and certainly should not be used as a measuring stick to compare teams historically.
I'll let you Hillbillies argue about whether Shiloh was anywhere near the best in Arkansas in 2010. I would think not, but I am not qualified to give my opinion.
I will say weigh in about Shiloh that year, and forgive me if I offend anyone. Shiloh did have some very good players at key positions. I only remember one name of course, Kiehl Frazier, but they had some other really good players too. There was a stud 300 lbs DL. Anyway, Frazier played out of his mind against Trinity, who at the time was the real #1 team in the country. ::) He basically single handedly scored all their points. Shilohs biggest problem, and there were many, was the amazing depth of Trinity vs. the extreme lack of depth and players going both ways of Shiloh. They would have the same problem against Bentonville, but to a lesser extent (Trinity was very deep with quality players and regularly rotates players). If the two teams played each other that year, I imagine it would have been a shoot out. If Shiloh can score 26 points on Trinity with their QB running for his life on every play and making miracle plays, I would imagine they would have scored even more against Bentonville. Since I saw no indication of any desire to play defense from Shiloh, I imagine points would have been scored at will by Bentonville too, though not quite as easily or nearly as quick. Trinity wore Shiloh out because of their physical play and constant rotating of fresh players. I doubt Bentonville would have worn them out, at least not nearly as quickly. So my one sided half ignorant opinion makes me think, shoot out with tons of points scored. I'll let y'all figure out the winner.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 05:55:34 pm
B-tron never actually watched Shiloh and watched how they worked the 25 kids that dressed out. No kidding if someone got hurt against those little farm schools they would put in little pudgy Pete because his dad was a Gold donor.
I saw Shiloh humiliate fayetteville in their scrimmage in 2009. I was at the Shiloh trinity game in 2010 and watched the greenwood and PA games on Tv. I was at every significant Bentonville game in 2010 except the state championship, I watched that on this site. Then went to a couple of Harber, fayetteville and southside games on the side as well.
You (and your folks) also didn't comprehend the first sentence. I said dont take that poll as validation. I've blasted it myself in the past. I posted to show you the good teams in Arkansas that year. All I had to see was the score from that Harber vs Fayetteville game to remember 2010 was the year the 7a west forgot how to play defense.
So I know what I'm talking about. The funny part is some of yll were posting those calpreps rankings like it was the gospel back then.
Trinity didnt beat Shiloh because they were the bigger school and had more depth. Trinity was just the better team. Five times better to be exact that game was over before anyone on Shiloh side had a chance to get tired.
We debated this in 2010 and nobody then gave me a good reason why any of the top 7am team would've stopped Shiloh. Here's your chance now.....
Bringing up a scrimmage to base an opinion is almost as bad as a poll or rating. I quit reading after the first sentence.
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 06:39:45 pm
I am not comparing Southlake (where I'm around a lot) to Bentonville (where I lived for 7 years) in any way other than their kids are usually kids whose parents are hard-working, expect success, and have lots of resources. You get a pool of 4000 kids with families like that and a program like Bentonville has and it's going to be more solid than some expect - perhaps not you, individually, Texas. I post on 5ATF, I see a lot of folks saying they don't see BVille keeping it close.
Oak, maybe Trinity fans are just drinking the kool-aid ourselves. Last season was the worst Trinity has had in several years. Maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves in the excitement of the upcoming season. From what comments I have seen from Bennie fans and other AR HS on this board, this is a "rebuilding year" with a lot of unknowns for Bentonville. Our excitement, plus these comments may have led to an overconfidence, but if Trinity loses, very few will be justified in saying "I told you so", since most AR HS football fans from this board have even said Trinity will probably win.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 21, 2013, 08:25:58 pm
That game was 80-26 and could have been 100+ to 7 or 14. So businesstron how good is Bennie this year as compared to Shiloh that year? What about Trinity? Do you think it will be 80-26 type of game?
That's a tough comparison since Bentonville hasn't played a game this year yet. They'll be okay though. This game won't be as lopsided as the Shiloh Trinity game because Trinity isn't as loaded as they were in 2010 and Bentonville will be worlds better on defense. Just going by reading previews Trinity will win a sound victory maybe by a couple of touchdowns. I'll have a better understanding after the first two games. It really depends on how everything comes together for both teams.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 05:55:34 pm
B-tron never actually watched Shiloh and watched how they worked the 25 kids that dressed out. No kidding if someone got hurt against those little farm schools they would put in little pudgy Pete because his dad was a Gold donor.
I saw Shiloh humiliate fayetteville in their scrimmage in 2009. I was at the Shiloh trinity game in 2010 and watched the greenwood and PA games on Tv. I was at every significant Bentonville game in 2010 except the state championship, I watched that on this site. Then went to a couple of Harber, fayetteville and southside games on the side as well.
You (and your folks) also didn't comprehend the first sentence. I said dont take that poll as validation. I've blasted it myself in the past. I posted to show you the good teams in Arkansas that year. All I had to see was the score from that Harber vs Fayetteville game to remember 2010 was the year the 7a west forgot how to play defense.
So I know what I'm talking about. The funny part is some of yll were posting those calpreps rankings like it was the gospel back then.
Trinity didnt beat Shiloh because they were the bigger school and had more depth. Trinity was just the better team. Five times better to be exact that game was over before anyone on Shiloh side had a chance to get tired.
We debated this in 2010 and nobody then gave me a good reason why any of the top 7am team would've stopped Shiloh. Here's your chance now.....
Bringing up a scrimmage to base an opinion is almost as bad as a poll or rating. I quit reading after the first sentence.
You probably should've kept reading. I said I was at the scrimmage because simply I was there. I didn't use it to say because they humiliated Fayetteville a year earlier that they were one of the best teams in the state.
Quote from: Texas on August 21, 2013, 10:03:56 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 21, 2013, 05:31:59 pm
http://calpreps.com/2010/ratings/Arkansas_all.htm
I'm not using that poll as validation but let's look at the teams on it. I was actually wrong. Bentonville was the only team that year that I would've been 100% sure they would've beaten Shiloh....but they would've given up points.
Harber and Fayettiville and defenses sucked that year. Bentonville's wasn't that great on defense either. Northside scored over 40 points on them. Harber scored 50 on them. I didn't see anything from those teams on defense that year to lead me to believe they would be able to stop Shiloh Christian.
Shiloh would've scored 30 points on any of the top teams in Arkansas easily that year. At worst they were the 4th best team. If you put them anything below that your delusional... Either way at 4th they are still one of the best in the state.
Dude. What planet are you on?
Using a poll even to as a tool to make a point is incredibly shallow. Polls/ratings, especially computer ratings are not proof of anything. How many times (if you are being honest and were paying attention) have you seen team from a pre-season college poll, end up with four or more losses to end the season? Polls and ratings are fun to look at, but are completely meaningless and certainly should not be used as a measuring stick to compare teams historically.
I'll let you Hillbillies argue about whether Shiloh was anywhere near the best in Arkansas in 2010. I would think not, but I am not qualified to give my opinion.
I will say weigh in about Shiloh that year, and forgive me if I offend anyone. Shiloh did have some very good players at key positions. I only remember one name of course, Kiehl Frazier, but they had some other really good players too. There was a stud 300 lbs DL. Anyway, Frazier played out of his mind against Trinity, who at the time was the real #1 team in the country. ::) He basically single handedly scored all their points. Shilohs biggest problem, and there were many, was the amazing depth of Trinity vs. the extreme lack of depth and players going both ways of Shiloh. They would have the same problem against Bentonville, but to a lesser extent (Trinity was very deep with quality players and regularly rotates players). If the two teams played each other that year, I imagine it would have been a shoot out. If Shiloh can score 26 points on Trinity with their QB running for his life on every play and making miracle plays, I would imagine they would have scored even more against Bentonville. Since I saw no indication of any desire to play defense from Shiloh, I imagine points would have been scored at will by Bentonville too, though not quite as easily or nearly as quick. Trinity wore Shiloh out because of their physical play and constant rotating of fresh players. I doubt Bentonville would have worn them out, at least not nearly as quickly. So my one sided half ignorant opinion makes me think, shoot out with tons of points scored. I'll let y'all figure out the winner.
I'll spell it out in crayon. Take the Calpreps rankings with a grain of salt. I didn't post it to say that I agree with them having Shiloh as the #2 team in Arkansas. I posted it to show the top 10 teams they have matches what just about everybody thinks is the top10 teams in the state. The order isn't right but those were the top 10 teams regardless of order
On the game you actually reiterated my point. Trinity didn't have no more then 15 plays and they were already up by a couple of touchdowns. Their depth didn't wear down Shiloh. They didn't sustain drives long enough for that to occur. They were score scoring on one or two play drives from the beginning. They were just outclassed. That game was similar to the game Trinity played against Flower mound the year before...they beat them 88-27. That wasn't a depth problem either. Flower mound was just outclassed on defense from the jump. I unfortunately had to sit through that game as well.
Trinity's defense that year was worlds better then Bentonville, Harber, Fayetteville or Southside. Shiloh would've gave up points to all those teams I mentioned but not at the rate they gave up points to Trinity. Also Shiloh would'nt have any problems scoring on those teams. The only team I'd bet money on to beat them would Bentonville. The rest not so much.
The argument for Shiloh that year is the similar for Greenwood last year. Arkansas isn't a deep state. Greenwood was atleast 4th best last year after Fayetteville Bentonville and North little rock. There's not much of an argument there for Greenwood to be better 4th last year. But there is one from Shiloh to be anywhere from 2-5.
Either way if your top 4 or 5 in a state that still makes you one of the
best teams in the state. That was my original statement that folks got up in arms about.
In 2010 the top 7a teams in Arkansas had good offenses but bad defenses. I would bet money that Bentonville would've out scored Shiloh. I can't say I'd do that for the other teams that year though... It'd be more of a toss up.
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 06:39:45 pm
I am not comparing Southlake (where I'm around a lot) to Bentonville (where I lived for 7 years) in any way other than their kids are usually kids whose parents are hard-working, expect success, and have lots of resources. You get a pool of 4000 kids with families like that and a program like Bentonville has and it's going to be more solid than some expect - perhaps not you, individually, Texas. I post on 5ATF, I see a lot of folks saying they don't see BVille keeping it close.
I see what your saying.. I've lived in Rogers and Bentonville 9 years as of last week(currently living in Bentonville) and was raised in Duncanville. I always figured Bentonville was more like Coppell or Allen. I've always thought Southlake was more affluent....like Highland Park but then again I haven't hung around those places much recently though.
Quote from: businesstron on August 22, 2013, 06:43:50 am
I'll spell it out in crayon. Take the Calpreps rankings with a grain of salt. I didn't post it to say that I agree with them having Shiloh as the #2 team in Arkansas. I posted it to show the top 10 teams they have matches what just about everybody thinks is the top10 teams in the state. The order isn't right but those were the top 10 teams regardless of order
On the game you actually reiterated my point. Trinity didn't have no more then 15 plays and they were already up by a couple of touchdowns. Their depth didn't wear down Shiloh. They didn't sustain drives long enough for that to occur. They were score scoring on one or two play drives from the beginning. They were just outclassed. That game was similar to the game Trinity played against Flower mound the year before...they beat them 88-27. That wasn't a depth problem either. Flower mound was just outclassed on defense from the jump. I unfortunately had to sit through that game as well.
Trinity's defense that year was worlds better then Bentonville, Harber, Fayetteville or Southside. Shiloh would've gave up points to all those teams I mentioned but not at the rate they gave up points to Trinity. Also Shiloh would'nt have any problems scoring on those teams. The only team I'd bet money on to beat them would Bentonville. The rest not so much.
The argument for Shiloh that year is the similar for Greenwood last year. Arkansas isn't a deep state. Greenwood was atleast 4th best last year after Fayetteville Bentonville and North little rock. There's not much of an argument there for Greenwood to be better 4th last year. But there is one from Shiloh to be anywhere from 2-5.
Either way if your top 4 or 5 in a state that still makes you one of the <b> best teams in the state </b>. That was my original statement that folks got up in arms about.
In 2010 the top 7a teams in Arkansas had good offenses but bad defenses. I would bet money that Bentonville would've
I agree with the bold. I don't think we are too far apart on this. I definitely disagree though about Whether Shiloh was worn down by Trinity. Whether on offense or defense, many Shiloh players play both sides of the ball anyway. Trinity wear down many Texas 5A teams, so I'm thinking Trinity's depth had a lot to do with their win. Ultimately it is a moot point, since even without that factor, Trinity was gonna roll anyway. Since Bentonville wasn't as physical as Trinity, I don't think depth would have been as big a factor, but still a factor. Bennie's school size better equips them to get top caliber athletes/players on the field to compete with Shiloh's talent. But yeah, I think a game between those two would have been a shoot out and very few defensive plays.
I don't mind fans of a team like Trinity not having much respect for teams in Arkansas, what I can't stand are the fans that think just because a team is from Texas they are better. The same reason there are a lot of very good teams in Texas is the same reason there are a lot of very bad teams in Texas. There are several Texas schools bigger than any school in Arkansas and are terrible at football.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 22, 2013, 09:21:02 am
I don't mind fans of a team like Trinity not having much respect for teams in Arkansas, what I can't stand are the fans that think just because a team is from Texas they are better. The same reason there are a lot of very good teams in Texas is the same reason there are a lot of very bad teams in Texas. There are several Texas schools bigger than any school in Arkansas and are terrible at football.
+1
Quote from: businesstron on August 22, 2013, 07:35:05 am
Quote from: elswagado on August 21, 2013, 06:39:45 pm
I am not comparing Southlake (where I'm around a lot) to Bentonville (where I lived for 7 years) in any way other than their kids are usually kids whose parents are hard-working, expect success, and have lots of resources. You get a pool of 4000 kids with families like that and a program like Bentonville has and it's going to be more solid than some expect - perhaps not you, individually, Texas. I post on 5ATF, I see a lot of folks saying they don't see BVille keeping it close.
I see what your saying.. I've lived in Rogers and Bentonville 9 years as of last week(currently living in Bentonville) and was raised in Duncanville. I always figured Bentonville was more like Coppell or Allen. I've always thought Southlake was more affluent....like Highland Park but then again I haven't hung around those places much recently though.
Allen is probably the best comparison.
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
Indeed, and right now South Panola has 4 players on Rivals, who were there last year when SP also had two Rivals 4-stars (which neither David Carter nor DeSoto have at this point) who Nick Saban personally flew in to see (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=397&f=1298&t=11245139) a week or two before signing day 2013.
It's high time for Bentonville High (especially before the split, if it happens) to play a top Texas high school in football. Arkansas will never be Texas and vice versa. Nonetheless, interesting that the #1 and #2 Fortune 500 companies are in Bentonville and the D/FW metroplex, respectively. There's enough wealth and population here to dream big (like Texas always has). What was it the old ad man Leo Burnett used to say: "If you reach for the stars, you may not get one, but you won't come up with a handful of mud, either"?
If Bentonville gets smeared, they get smeared. This should be fun, nonetheless.
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
Who cares about Allen's stadium. We all know it's big and awesome. Of course most Texans are proud of their half stupid mentality and wear it like a badge.
Too bad Bennie 2011 isn't on the field this year. I would go as far as to say that team would have a very good chance of winning. This years probably not. But my hats off to coach Lunney for putting his team on the national stage.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 22, 2013, 11:44:12 am
Too bad Bennie 2011 isn't on the field this year. I would go as far as to say that team would have a very good chance of winning. This years probably not. But my hats off to coach Lunney for putting his team on the national stage.
Agree, Like I said this isn't the best year to play a team like Trinity, but so what, you got to play with what you got. Bentonville is the underdog, when was the last time anyone said that?
I have been watching Trinty off and on for the past 15 years and they should beat Bentonville by 21 points.
Quote from: Lions84 on August 22, 2013, 11:48:14 am
I have been watching Trinty off and on for the past 15 years and they should beat Bentonville by 21 points.
No argument but Bentonville should have beat Fayetteville in the last 2 championship games by 14. You never know.
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
That is actually just a controlled scrimmage this Saturday morning. The 80's Carter Cowboys had D1 athletes galore but the growth of the southern sector of Dallas has affected Carter's team in that all them families back in the day now live in Desoto, Cedar Hill, Mansfield, Arlington, Duncanville...
Quote from: DPaul on August 22, 2013, 12:31:03 pm
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
That is actually just a controlled scrimmage this Saturday morning. The 80's Carter Cowboys had D1 athletes galore but the growth of the southern sector of Dallas has affected Carter's team in that all them families back in the day now live in Desoto, Cedar Hill, Mansfield, Arlington, Duncanville...
Not uncommon in any big metro area, it's almost like players are just goo and slide around to new areas in the metro slowly over time.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 12:13:28 pm
I can't speak for all Tiger fans, but I don't think Barry Lunney would schedule this game if he didn't think his team could win it. That said I don't think this is the best of timing, but you gotta play with what you got and don't make excuses. Bentonville will be small this year hopefully they make up for it with some grit. For you Texas folks on here, Shiloh is a tiny little private school with a Jerry Jones sized ego. We knew that game was going to be embarrassing and was sad to watch. They had a handful of good players that were over hyped and that was it.
Some of us were aware of that.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 22, 2013, 01:42:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 12:13:28 pm
I can't speak for all Tiger fans, but I don't think Barry Lunney would schedule this game if he didn't think his team could win it. That said I don't think this is the best of timing, but you gotta play with what you got and don't make excuses. Bentonville will be small this year hopefully they make up for it with some grit. For you Texas folks on here, Shiloh is a tiny little private school with a Jerry Jones sized ego. We knew that game was going to be embarrassing and was sad to watch. They had a handful of good players that were over hyped and that was it.
Some of us were aware of that.
Apparently not the ones that scheduled the game. It was a joke before the opening kickoff.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 22, 2013, 09:21:02 am
I don't mind fans of a team like Trinity not having much respect for teams in Arkansas, what I can't stand are the fans that think just because a team is from Texas they are better. The same reason there are a lot of very good teams in Texas is the same reason there are a lot of very bad teams in Texas. There are several Texas schools bigger than any school in Arkansas and are terrible at football.
I'll tell you this - the Trinity players and the coaches have respect for EVERY opponent they play.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 22, 2013, 09:21:02 am
I don't mind fans of a team like Trinity not having much respect for teams in Arkansas, what I can't stand are the fans that think just because a team is from Texas they are better. The same reason there are a lot of very good teams in Texas is the same reason there are a lot of very bad teams in Texas. There are several Texas schools bigger than any school in Arkansas and are terrible at football.
I agree, but at the same time I also think there are a lot of mediocre teams in Texas that sometimes make and sometimes miss the playoffs that would be more successful if they were somehow transported to another state. Like Arkansas. The ones that are just plain bad, are just plain bad no matter where they play.
As for respect, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I count my blessings that I am an alumn of Trinity cause it could be a whole lot worse. I have lived through the down years Trinity has had before Lineweaver, so I know what it is like to pretty much know going into a game that your team has no chance to win. I say that because regardless of the level, location or success, any team that gives its best effort, I have respect for. I have been known to go to games between two mediocre teams, because I just like HS football. I had a good time and enjoyed the play on the field.
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
I was mostly talking demographically. Bentonville ain't no rural farm town though. I was there in April. Obviously not a suburb in a huge metropolitan area, but not exactly a farm town either. I realize B.I.S.D. probably draws from rural parts of Benton County, but Allen is the best comparison of a Metroplex team. However, Allen was just a rural farm town a mere 20 years ago. Allen has a new $60 Million stadium, but before that, their stadium had just 7,000 permanent seats and 7,000 temporary seats. Originally a 3A stadium. That was just two seasons ago. It was a bleacher stadium with porta-potties. Also, Bentonville has nice facilities, not Allen nice, but then again no one has Allen's facilities.
Quote from: bystander on August 22, 2013, 11:25:38 am
That's a funny comment - to compare Bentonville to Allen. I would agree from a demographic perspective, but Bentonville is a small rural town in the eyes of people who live in DFW. Let's compare Bentonville's stadium to Allen:
Bentonville: small metal bleacher stadium that seats 5,000
Allen: $60mm stadium with 20,000 seating
I think too often in NWA we think we have economic growth and are cosmopolitan.
Just as a comparison of how far we are behind the schools in the Metroplex, read below about the new 12,000 indoor football stadium Frisco just agreed to build in partnership with the Dallas Cowboys. The total cost of the facility will be $115mm.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sources-cowboys-will-share-an-indoor-stadium-with-frisco-isd-at-new-practice-facility.html/
This is why when Trinity comes to Bentonville, it will be a big deal to the NWA football community, and a blip in the season for Trinity. They have much bigger issues than how they will beat a team that has one player listed with two stars on Rivals. The first game is against Dallas Carter, which has 10 on rivals (not to mention this is a poor inner-city school that if they had the money Bentonville invests in football, they probably would have 20 listed - go watch Friday Night Lights- They are the team in Red & Blue) or the game before Bentonville they play a team(DeSoto) with 9 players listed on rivals.
I fixed it for ya
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 22, 2013, 01:45:45 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 22, 2013, 01:42:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 21, 2013, 12:13:28 pm
I can't speak for all Tiger fans, but I don't think Barry Lunney would schedule this game if he didn't think his team could win it. That said I don't think this is the best of timing, but you gotta play with what you got and don't make excuses. Bentonville will be small this year hopefully they make up for it with some grit. For you Texas folks on here, Shiloh is a tiny little private school with a Jerry Jones sized ego. We knew that game was going to be embarrassing and was sad to watch. They had a handful of good players that were over hyped and that was it.
Doesn't surprise me one bit that you're taking a shot at Trinity and the people in Texas.
Some of us were aware of that.
Apparently not the ones that scheduled the game. It was a joke before the opening kickoff.
Quote from: Texas on August 22, 2013, 06:14:50 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 22, 2013, 09:21:02 am
I don't mind fans of a team like Trinity not having much respect for teams in Arkansas, what I can't stand are the fans that think just because a team is from Texas they are better. The same reason there are a lot of very good teams in Texas is the same reason there are a lot of very bad teams in Texas. There are several Texas schools bigger than any school in Arkansas and are terrible at football.
I agree, but at the same time I also think there are a lot of mediocre teams in Texas that sometimes make and sometimes miss the playoffs that would be more successful if they were somehow transported to another state. Like Arkansas. The ones that are just plain bad, are just plain bad no matter where they play.
As for respect, I guess it depends on how you look at it. I count my blessings that I am an alumn of Trinity cause it could be a whole lot worse. I have lived through the down years Trinity has had before Lineweaver, so I know what it is like to pretty much know going into a game that your team has no chance to win. I say that because regardless of the level, location or success, any team that gives its best effort, I have respect for. I have been known to go to games between two mediocre teams, because I just like HS football. I had a good time and enjoyed the play on the field.
+1
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
Not sure if this has been discussed but how many starters are back on each side of the ball for Trinity?
Just looking at last years games both played Union and won even though Bennie's was not a real game. Bennie beat Broken Arrow by 10 and Union beat them by 5. I know comparing scores is crazy but if you had to for last year for these two teams you could make a case for a close game. I know Bennie will be down this year so waiting to hear what Trinity has coming back. One thing leaning in favor of Bennie is what many of the Texans are saying in their attention will be on the team the week before. There is no way I see both teams scoring a bunch. If Trinity does score 56 it could be ugly.
I see something more like 24-14, 31-14 if Trinity wins. Not sure what it would take for Bennie probably something real low.
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
If Bennie scores 38 I will be impressed..not saying they can't but I will be impressed.
Quote from: DPaul on August 22, 2013, 08:38:20 pm
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
If Bennie scores 38 I will be impressed..not saying they can't but I will be impressed.
If Bennie doesn't get their doors blown off I'll be impressed.. I think it'll be 56-14 before Euless calls the hounds off. But then again I support a highschool with <100 students and about 30 playing football.
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 09:05:02 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 22, 2013, 08:38:20 pm
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
If Bennie scores 38 I will be impressed..not saying they can't but I will be impressed.
If Trinity scores 56, I'll be impressed. Bville will be solid on D; last year we only gave up 9 points a game. Gave up 7 to KC Rock, 10 to Broken Arrow and 6 to S Panola (if you count it as it was a pick 6). They only gave up 17 to Fville in the regular season.
I know Trinity is a step up, but Bville can play D. My concern is can we score on Trinity as we might be a bit one dimentional this year. We will be able to run the ball, but we are going to have to complete some passes to keep balance.
Bville is extremely tough at home, and that's a long way to travel for a road game.
I'm not yet predicting a Bville win, but I cannot see us giving up more than 30 points at home.
If Bennie doesn't get their doors blown off I'll be impressed.. I think it'll be 56-14 before Euless calls the hounds off. But then again I support a highschool with <100 students and about 30 playing football.
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
I would be very surprised if Bentonville scored that many points on Trinity. I doubt Trinity scores that many points, unless there is some snowball effect, but unlikely. I can see 40, but not close to 60.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 22, 2013, 08:33:34 pm
Just looking at last years games both played Union and won even though Bennie's was not a real game. Bennie beat Broken Arrow by 10 and Union beat them by 5. I know comparing scores is crazy but if you had to for last year for these two teams you could make a case for a close game. I know Bennie will be down this year so waiting to hear what Trinity has coming back. One thing leaning in favor of Bennie is what many of the Texans are saying in their attention will be on the team the week before. There is no way I see both teams scoring a bunch. If Trinity does score 56 it could be ugly.
I see something more like 24-14, 31-14 if Trinity wins. Not sure what it would take for Bennie probably something real low.
Picking at nits, but BHS beat Broken Arrow at BAHS. Union beat Broken Arrow (by a smaller margin) by 5 at Union, and I think the game was fairly close throughout. BTW, between the juniors and seniors BAHS had last year they, too, had 10 Rivals listings, 2 Rivals 4 stars, 3 Rivals 3 stars and a slew of Division I commits/signees (2 Oklahoma State, 1 Kansas State (alongside a Rockhurst senior from last year), 1 Colorado State, 1 Tulsa, 1 Louisiana-Monroe).
Quote from: Texas on August 22, 2013, 09:41:43 pm
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
I would be very surprised if Bentonville scored that many points on Trinity. I doubt Trinity scores that many points, unless there is some snowball effect, but unlikely. I can see 40, but not close to 60.
Trinity's D won't give up that many points. Trinity is known for long drives and I don't see that changing now.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 22, 2013, 09:26:40 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 22, 2013, 08:38:20 pm
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'll throw some gas on the fire....
Euless Trinity 56
Bentonville 38
If Bennie scores 38 I will be impressed..not saying they can't but I will be impressed.
If Trinity scores 56, I'll be impressed. Bville will be solid on D; last year we only gave up 9 points a game. Gave up 7 to KC Rock, 10 to Broken Arrow and 6 to S Panola (if you count it as it was a pick 6). They only gave up 17 to Fville in the regular season.
I know Trinity is a step up, but Bville can play D. My concern is can we score on Trinity as we might be a bit one dimentional this year. We will be able to run the ball, but we are going to have to complete some passes to keep balance.
Bville is extremely tough at home, and that's a long way to travel for a road game.
I'm not yet predicting a Bville win, but I cannot see us giving up more than 30 points at home.
I'm not predicting a specific score, but something along the lines of 28-7 or 28-14 sounds reasonable to me.
I said a few months ago (somewhere in this thread), you better hope Bentonville can pass enough to keep Trinity's D honest and guessing, cause Trinity's run D is the best in (5A) Texas. #1 or #2 in total defense, rushing defense and scoring defense for the last three seasons. The passing defense is pretty close to the top as well (top 10). That's why I would be surprised (putting it mildly) if Bentonville scores anywhere near 38. If they are over 30, I'll eat crow.
It's not that I think Euless will be dominant on offense. I just think they'll be able to run the ball very effectively. For lack of a better reference, Euless ran the ball down Shiloh's throat and SC had a stud of a DT in Sam Harvil.
Good Evening
7AFBFAN.......here is some info about Trinity's returning players. At many positions they dont have "starters" so much as they have a rotation. Many players see 20, 25, 30 plays a game. Last year they even used two offensive lines. They would rotate each possession.
Quarterback
Christian Hammack 12 6-0 175 12 Only kid with varsity snaps on roster, only 13 or so pass attepts.
Runningback
Homer Babcock 22 5-9 181 12
Tony Franklin 30 5-8 158 12
Kenneth Gonzalez 33 5-6 160 12
Wide Receiver
Edrick Gonzalez 4 5-7 138 12
Tight End
Will Taylor 40 6-3 240 12 3 year starter
Offensive Line
Moses Ngungutau 66 6-2 300 12
Mosese Vakasiuola 70 6-2 256 12
Saia Mose 72 6-2 288 11
Lemaefe Galeai 76 6-5 299 12
Patrick Vahe 77 6-3 253 11 Offered scholarship by U Texas
Defensive Line
Hafoka Olie 95 6-0 279 12 3 years on varsity
Eddie Ngungutau 96 6-1 284 12
Sunia Makahununiu 97 6-2 272 12
Linebacker
Inoke Ngalo 6 6-0 205 12 Committed to Houston.
Turner Woolley 7 6-1 215 12 3 years on varsity.
Defensive Back
Dany Mulanga 2 6-4 200 12
Vill Carter 3 6-1 198 12
Tyler Hayes 5 6-0 195 12
Josh Smith 13 5-8 145 12
George Moeakiola 14 6-1 200 12 3 years on varsity
Goodness you guys have some big DB's.
Bennie's PA guy will have his work cut out for him. Should be just as entertaining as the game.
Quote from: DPaul on August 23, 2013, 11:48:38 am
Bennie's PA guy will have his work cut out for him. Should be just as entertaining as the game.
What makes you say that? I'm guessing the Trojan players names.
Thanks Trinity 94, all I can say is WOW!
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 23, 2013, 01:06:09 pm
Thanks Trinity 94, all I can say is WOW!
Really, The only difference with those players than Bennie players of the last 5 years is the size of the DB's.
The DB size and overall consistent size is what impressed me.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 23, 2013, 01:13:38 pm
The DB size and overall consistent size is what impressed me.
Not counting sophs coming in, they aren't even close to the biggest team Bennie has faced. They aren't even as big as Bennie teams of the past. That being said it's all about the coaching and how good those players are.. That may be a different story.
The difference will be the athleticism of those big guys. I don't think Bentonville will have seen this combination of size and atheletic ability.
Quote from: GrizzlyBaseball on August 23, 2013, 01:59:30 pm
The difference will be the athleticism of those big guys. I don't think Bentonville will have seen this combination of size and atheletic ability.
Maybe not, but we have heard that story before, not saying you are wrong, just NLR was far and above bigger,faster and more athletic than Bentonville, just didn't have Lineweaver as their coach. That will be the difference.
Quote from: GrizzlyBaseball on August 23, 2013, 01:59:30 pm
The difference will be the athleticism of those big guys. I don't think Bentonville will have seen this combination of size and atheletic ability.
Question, what big guys, The DB's ?
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
I don't know about roster listings, but in 7 years of living in Bentonville and watching NWA football I never saw an AR team that had the depth of size that Trinity has annually. There were a lot of 6'3 230 or 6'4 250 type kids on lots of rosters sprinkled with some legit 6'4 280 types, but not the combo of 6'2+ height & 270+ good weight that Trinity has up and down the roster.
Edit - to be fair, I don't see any Texas schools that big, either. The cultural makeup of Euless is unique in that regard.
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 03:37:28 pm
I don't know about roster listings, but in 7 years of living in Bentonville and watching NWA football I never saw an AR team that had the depth of size that Trinity has annually. There were a lot of 6'3 230 or 6'4 250 type kids on lots of rosters sprinkled with some legit 6'4 280 types, but not the combo of 6'2+ height & 270+ good weight that Trinity has up and down the roster.
So when did you live in Euless, or are you just reading numbers from a far?
I've probably seen Trinity play ~30 times in the last 10 years. Even when I lived in Bentonville I spent a lot of time in D/FW (and vice versa now that I live in Texas again but still venture to NWA).
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 03:46:05 pm
I've probably seen Trinity play ~30 times in the last 10 years. Even when I lived in Bentonville I spent a lot of time in D/FW (and vice versa now that I live in Texas again but still venture to NWA).
I have read every single one of your posts, you apparently are connected to Wally World. Please explain why you would have watched Trinity 30 times in the last ten years. Do you have kids that played in Texas. Because I say no way you have watched them 3 times a year for 10 years unless your kids went there.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:52:44 pm
I have read every single one of your posts, you apparently are connected to Wally World. Please explain why you would have watched Trinity 30 times in the last ten years. Do you have kids that played in Texas. Because I say no way you have watched them 3 times a year for 10 years unless your kids went there.
I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not real invested in trying to convince you. dahawaiian has posted here... he hasn't seen me at all of those but he's seen me at enough to know I'm not fibbin'. Frequently in the playoffs Texas has double, triple, or quad-headers every round of the playoffs until the state game, so you can see most of DFW's best programs multiple times a year if you go to them on Fridays & Saturdays.
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:06:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:52:44 pm
I have read every single one of your posts, you apparently are connected to Wally World. Please explain why you would have watched Trinity 30 times in the last ten years. Do you have kids that played in Texas. Because I say no way you have watched them 3 times a year for 10 years unless your kids went there.
I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not real invested in trying to convince you. dahawaiian has posted here... he hasn't seen me at all of those but he's seen me at enough to know I'm not fibbin'. Frequently in the playoffs Texas has double, triple, or quad-headers every round of the playoffs until the state game, so you can see most of DFW's best programs multiple times a year if you go to them on Fridays & Saturdays.
So you have always been back for a three week period the last 10 years and watched Trinity? Trust me I know how the playoffs work in Texas.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
So you have always been back for a three week period the last 10 years and watched Trinity? Trust me I know how the playoffs work in Texas.
When I gave the "~30" figure the math I used was this =
~2 times a year when I lived in NWA from 03-08 seasons, 6 years
~4 times a year since I've been back 09-12 seasons, 4 years
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:29:41 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
So you have always been back for a three week period the last 10 years and watched Trinity? Trust me I know how the playoffs work in Texas.
When I gave the "~30" figure the math I used was this =
~2 times a year when I lived in NWA from 03-08 seasons, 6 years
~4 times a year since I've been back 09-12 seasons, 4 years
So Trinity must be your team, I as a die hard High school football fan that has attended a game somewhere almost every week for the last 25 years have never seen another team other than my team 30 times over the last ten years .
And if not Trinity, where did you go to High School in Texas and did you play?
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 01:17:13 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 23, 2013, 01:13:38 pm
The DB size and overall consistent size is what impressed me.
Not counting sophs coming in, they aren't even close to the biggest team Bennie has faced. They aren't even as big as Bennie teams of the past. That being said it's all about the coaching and how good those players are.. That may be a different story.
Keeping in mind I've seen every Bentonville team since 2004 (multiple times) and I think almost every Trinity team in that span as well. The only part I'd semi agree with you is the Oline...and that's only after 2007 or 08 for Bentonville. The rest.....no. The only two teams Bentonville has played in the last 10 years that can even rival the size of Trinity is NLR and South Panola last year.
Who are you thinking were bigger?
Like I mentioned in my initial post - I'm not overly invested in convincing you of anything. And, in fact, I'm not sure what evidence could be presented to prove something of this nature. I don't have ticket stubs. If you think I'm fibbin', please feel free to ignore me.
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:58:00 pm
Like I mentioned in my initial post - I'm not overly invested in convincing you of anything. And, in fact, I'm not sure what evidence could be presented to prove something of this nature. I don't have ticket stubs. If you think I'm fibbin', please feel free to ignore me.
LOL- I got my answer. Thanks
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 05:02:41 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:58:00 pm
Like I mentioned in my initial post - I'm not overly invested in convincing you of anything. And, in fact, I'm not sure what evidence could be presented to prove something of this nature. I don't have ticket stubs. If you think I'm fibbin', please feel free to ignore me.
LOL- I got my answer. Thanks
I'm not sure what I did to upset you... disagree with your assertion? Why don't you tell me what I could say to prove this to you?
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
I wasn't sure whether to be insulted or LAUGH MY @$$ OFF.
I went with the latter. ;D
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:06:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:52:44 pm
I have read every single one of your posts, you apparently are connected to Wally World. Please explain why you would have watched Trinity 30 times in the last ten years. Do you have kids that played in Texas. Because I say no way you have watched them 3 times a year for 10 years unless your kids went there.
I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not real invested in trying to convince you. dahawaiian has posted here... he hasn't seen me at all of those but he's seen me at enough to know I'm not fibbin'. Frequently in the playoffs Texas has double, triple, or quad-headers every round of the playoffs until the state game, so you can see most of DFW's best programs multiple times a year if you go to them on Fridays & Saturdays.
I have been to 98% of all Trinity games since Jr. High, but I have lived in and around Euless my entire life. I went to HS at Trinity and my daughter will go to Trinity in a few years.
With that being said, I guarentee you I have been to at least 30 Southlake Carroll games, and at least 50 L.D. Bell games. Several other teams whose games I have been to dozens of times.
Like elswagado said, playoffs. Also the fact that my team plays 10+ teams a year, has repeated district mates and PO opponents. Also anytime Trinity plays either on a Thursday or Saturday, I'll go watch a game somewhere on Friday night. Also Trinity's bye week I'll go to some random game. Also once Trinity is out of the playoffs, I keep going to the playoffs and watching various games. If you lived in Texas, that's probably what you'd do too.
Quote from: Texas on August 23, 2013, 05:19:27 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 23, 2013, 04:06:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:52:44 pm
I have read every single one of your posts, you apparently are connected to Wally World. Please explain why you would have watched Trinity 30 times in the last ten years. Do you have kids that played in Texas. Because I say no way you have watched them 3 times a year for 10 years unless your kids went there.
I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not real invested in trying to convince you. dahawaiian has posted here... he hasn't seen me at all of those but he's seen me at enough to know I'm not fibbin'. Frequently in the playoffs Texas has double, triple, or quad-headers every round of the playoffs until the state game, so you can see most of DFW's best programs multiple times a year if you go to them on Fridays & Saturdays.
I have been to 98% of all Trinity games since Jr. High, but I have lived in and around Euless my entire life. I went to HS at Trinity and my daughter will go to Trinity in a few years.
With that being said, I guarentee you I have been to at least 30 Southlake Carroll games, and at least 50 L.D. Bell games. Several other teams whose games I have been to dozens of times.
Like elswagado said, playoffs. Also the fact that my team plays 10+ teams a year, has repeated district mates and PO opponents. Also anytime Trinity plays either on a Thursday or Saturday, I'll go watch a game somewhere on Friday night. Also Trinity's bye week I'll go to some random game. Also once Trinity is out of the playoffs, I keep going to the playoffs and watching various games. If you lived in Texas, that's probably what you'd do too.
Forget it. I disagreed with him, I have to be painted as a liar.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 12:43:09 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 23, 2013, 11:48:38 am
Bennie's PA guy will have his work cut out for him. Should be just as entertaining as the game.
What makes you say that? I'm guessing the Trojan players names.
Correct. Don't worry it's not a shot at your beloved Bennie, PA guys here have trouble with the names and it is comical....to me anyways. I've heard many an announcer give up mid-name and just use the number or say something like, "Joe Smith on the carry and tackled by a whole group of Trojans" just to avoid trying to pronounce the name.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
Yes. Glad to see you coming around.
Quote from: DPaul on August 23, 2013, 11:48:38 am
Bennie's PA guy will have his work cut out for him. Should be just as entertaining as the game.
You got that right.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
::)
Lived in Allen for 10 yrs.I always enjoyed playing Trinity and watching them play.They won't win any 7 on 7 tournaments but they will run over and around you and then hit you with the pass and if you can't block them you are in trouble.This Trinity team looks smaller than some of their other teams but looks can be deceiving,they will be plenty big,athletic and deep.I went to the 7a title game Bentonville vs Fayetteville last year and the Texas 5a games Allen vs Lamar and Katy vs Cedar Hill, Bentonville/Fayetteville players size (with a few exceptions) looked like JV players.
Trinity can't over look Bentonville but i don't see Bentonville being able to score enough to beat Trinity
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
Sipi Tau
Elswagado hang in there, you are giving in too easily to Billyo. You have to at least make it fun for him.
Quote from: DPaul on August 23, 2013, 09:33:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
Sipi Tau
Talk about disrespect.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 23, 2013, 10:02:54 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 23, 2013, 09:33:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 23, 2013, 03:35:27 pm
I'm guessing that Trinity will ride up in some buses Thursday get hotel rooms and then go out and get some whole Hog BBQ, just so they can say it's not as good as Texas BBQ. Next morning they will get together and practice the " Wanna Hock a Loogie dance" just like in Finding Nemo. Then go to Crystal Bridges for some serious art appreciation, head back to the hotel eat a pre maid homegrown Texas sandwich and brush their teeth with a good old fashion Texas cactus leaf. Then head to our little metal bleacher stadium and destroy our beloved Tigers. Then get on their buses, comb out their fine Tongan hair to get rid of helmet hair and head back to the home of real football.
Sipi Tau
Talk about disrespect.
Maybe they should research Odessa Permian/Trinity 2007 playoff. It never works out.
Quote from: Hootie on August 22, 2013, 11:25:22 pm
It's not that I think Euless will be dominant on offense. I just think they'll be able to run the ball very effectively. For lack of a better reference, Euless ran the ball down Shiloh's throat and SC had a stud of a DT in Sam Harvil.
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No disrespect to SC, they were a great 4A team that year and had a couple of great players, but please do not compare their Dline or team to Bville. Totally different level of play.
Even the best SC teams of the past 10 years would get beat soundly by any of the top-tier 7A schools (Bville, Fville, NLR, HB, SS, WM).
Good Evening
Can you please explain to me the difference between Shiloh Christian and Bentonville? I have a few questions.
Does Shiloh recruit? I was under the impression that they did, thereby negating enrollment. That is what made them so scary to me prior to kick off. There were highlights all over youtube of them killing teams. I thought they were going to be like John Curtis out of Louisiana.
Does Shiloh elect to be in their classification? 2A? If so, is that so they can "stack the deck" against their opponents?
Does Bentonville recruit?
Are they the largest school in Arkansas?
How are the Arkansas playoffs constructed? Number of teams, rounds, etc. For example in Texas 5A....128 teams make the playoffs from 32 districts. Districts are usually around 8 teams. Those are divided by enrollment into two brackets of 64. Then you have 6 rounds until you have a winner.
By the way after the Shiloh game I ended up on a Razorback chatroom and there was a lot of joy in their defeat. I got the impression that they regularly crushed undermanned opponents without mercy. Is that true? Does Shiloh have a bad reputation?
Good Evening Arkansas
I have a few more questions.............
Are coaches in Arkansas high schools full time coaches? Last year when we played Bellevue Washington I read a lot about how Bellevue was one of the only schools to have a full time coach.
How many coaches are on a staff? Trinity has a staff equal in number to any college I would imagine. Every position seems to have their own guy.
Do 7A Arkansas players play both ways? Is Bentonville deep enough to have starters on offense, defense, and special teams?
Is substitution common in Arkansas? Do most teams just stick with their 20 or 25 core guys all game long?
Thankyou
Good Evening Arkansas
Here is an example of a 280 Trinity player. This one is Hive Lutui. He is now at Utah.//
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Good Evening Arkansas
Here are some more kids. 25, 95, and 96 will all be in the Bentonville game. 25 is Woolley. I think he wears 7 now. This game is from the playoffs last year against Flower Mound Marcus. It was at Jerry World.
(http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20121117-ns_17trinityfmm_17_28361952_423384.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/ns_17trinityFMM_17_28361952_423384.JPG)
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Good Evening Arkansas
Here is the Trinity POWER BACK Kenneth Gonzalez.
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Thankyou
Good Evening Arkansas
This happens a lot in Trinity games. One of the best photos ever.
(http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/files/import/91711-NS_06TrinitycrushB-thumb-600x408-91710.jpg)
Thankyou
Trinity 94:
I will leave the recruiting and playoff conversation to others, but I will give you some insight on Bentonville and our coaching staff. The only comment I'll make about playoffs in AR is that there are only 16 7A schools so it's generally the same 6 or 7 schools competing for the state title game.
As for coaching, there is none better than Coach Lunney in AR. Others may be as good, but none are better. The 7A West has great coaching throughout the conference. Without doing the research, I would say that our staff will be just as large as Trinity's, with coaches at each position. With Coach Lunney leading the way, I always believe Bville can win every game. We will be the underdogs in this game, but he will have them ready and they will be tough to beat. Going by memory, I believe we have only lost 1 home game in the past 4 years and that was in the playoffs to Southside (another top program which happens to be where Coach Lunney was before Bville). We do play a tough Broken Arrow, OK team at home week two and they Trinity week 3, so our streak will be put to the test.
As I said, Trinity will be favored, but it will be a fight. Bentonville will be well prepared and well coached and the place will be packed (prob 7,000 or so which is big for AR).
Bentonville is the largest school in AR, and very few players will play both sides of the ball (maybe certain formations). Our lines will be solid on both sides, and our D will be very athletic.
Should be a great game!
Curious if there are any rule differences between Texas and Arkansas football that may come into play. Like say piling on. Haha.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 24, 2013, 10:16:49 am
Curious if there are any rule differences between Texas and Arkansas football that may come into play. Like say piling on. Haha.
Arkansas uses NFHS, Texas uses NCAA (with some slight differences - http://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/2013-14_UIL_FB_Exceptions.pdf).
http://ccafo.org/documents/2012%20Major%20Football%20Rules%20Differences.pdf
That looks like a pretty big difference in rules. You guys normally play 15 minute quarters? Heck they may not even break a sweat in this game.
Good morning, Trinity94.
Since this is buried way back in this now freight-train sized thread, here is the 20 minute video report on Bentonville's win last year vs. South Panola (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monQ2TOYZeY), which displaced you as the 2010 USA Today and Rivals hs national champions. SP had , from there 2010 national championship team, Tony Conner (who earned all-state three straight years including that one) (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tony_conner_856404.html) and a Rivals 4-star, #2 safety in the nation, plus Deon Mix, also a Rivals 4-star now at Auburn (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/deon_mix_854709.html). SP was so big last year that Bennie's head coach joked that some people were saying "Ole Miss had taken the field" at BHS.
(And the week before you, we'll face two more Rivals 4-stars, this guy (http://rivals.yahoo.com/texastech/football/recruiting/player-Devon-Thomas-131970;_ylt=AklZzxICmRRD90dKTwHv8AETuJB4) and this other young man, (http://rivals.yahoo.com/texastech/football/recruiting/player-Gyasi-Akem-128719;_ylt=ApEZhExSQEDJTOBorMvZ0M8TuJB4) both OU offers and both OSU (Stillwater, not Columbus) commits, plus their 6'4" DI QB (Colorado State). Lunney and his gang have their work cut out for them, but they beat Broken Arrow at home last year, although D. Thomas didn't play that game.)
One thing...the South Panola game was on a rainy field...seemed like ALL September games were like that. Hope the conditions are better then.
Here is Bentonville's indoor practice facility. Does Trinity have one?
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/Billyo62/TAC.jpg) (http://s156.photobucket.com/user/Billyo62/media/TAC.jpg.html)
Yes.
(http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/08/BRegdG3CcAAZHF3.jpg)
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 11:32:00 am
Yes.
(http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/08/BRegdG3CcAAZHF3.jpg)
Looks kind of small, how many yards long is it.
rofl. It's 60 yards.
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/construction-continues-on-euless-trinitys-new-indoor-facility.html/
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 11:40:55 am
rofl. It's 60 yards.
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/construction-continues-on-euless-trinitys-new-indoor-facility.html/
That's not bad. and I wouldn't call that small. Ours is either 80 or 90 yards, I think it's 80.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t4/Billyo62/TAC-1.jpg) (http://s156.photobucket.com/user/Billyo62/media/TAC-1.jpg.html)
Here's Trinity's stadium. It's pretty old and not the shining jewel of Texas like Bentonville's is, but they manage to do OK in it.
(http://www.farscapefantasy.com/Pennington/1.jpg)
(http://hebisd.smugmug.com/Campuses-Facilities/Pennington-Field/Pennington-Field-July-2010/i-7hWXMqF/0/L/PICT0397-L.jpg)
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 11:48:50 am
Here's Trinity's stadium.
(http://www.farscapefantasy.com/Pennington/1.jpg)
(http://hebisd.smugmug.com/Campuses-Facilities/Pennington-Field/Pennington-Field-July-2010/i-7hWXMqF/0/L/PICT0397-L.jpg)
That's nice, we could use more seats, just not going to happen.
How many total seats.
No track around the field, I love that.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:50:49 amThat's nice, we could use more seats, just not going to happen.
When Tiger Stadium first opened it was already maxing out on the home side for the opener and some bigger games... definitely should have gone bigger from the onset. I do not remember being at any games where the visitor's side was maxed (maybe a couple Rogers games... I wasn't there recently when FVille's been good or when Har-Ber had their beast team - they probably did too) but they probably should've gone bigger there too. But the quality at the stadium is very nice.
Edit - Pennington has 12.5k seated.
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 11:53:29 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:50:49 amThat's nice, we could use more seats, just not going to happen.
When Tiger Stadium first opened it was already maxing out on the home side for the opener and some bigger games... definitely should have gone bigger from the onset. I do not remember being at any games where the visitor's side was maxed (maybe a couple Rogers games... I wasn't there recently when FVille's been good or when Har-Ber had their beast team - they probably did too) but they probably should've gone bigger there too. But the quality at the stadium is very nice.
Rogers and Southside and maybe playoff games the visitors side maxed out. Many people quit going because you couldn't get a seat on the home side and you couldn't walk to the other side and sit. It was stupid.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:59:49 am
Rogers and Southside and maybe playoff games the visitors side maxed out. Many people quit going because you couldn't get a seat on the home side and you couldn't walk to the other side and sit. It was stupid.
I guess the most packed game that I can remember was the year (maybe inaugural?) when the Rogers kid went underwear streaking, made it across and jumped the northeast-side fence into the getaway car. I heard he got caught eventually, though.
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 12:02:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:59:49 am
Rogers and Southside and maybe playoff games the visitors side maxed out. Many people quit going because you couldn't get a seat on the home side and you couldn't walk to the other side and sit. It was stupid.
I guess the most packed game that I can remember was the year (maybe inaugural?) when the Rogers kid went underwear streaking, made it across and jumped the northeast-side fence into the getaway car. I heard he got caught eventually, though.
Those were the days, I know the fire dept shut down admissions a couple of times. The crowds still show up but they are not near as rowdy as they were 4-5 years ago. Student section still does a good job when there not in trouble.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 24, 2013, 10:16:49 am
Curious if there are any rule differences between Texas and Arkansas football that may come into play. Like say piling on. Haha.
http://khsaa.org/football/2011%20Major%20NF-NCAA%20FB%20Rules%20Differences.pdf
This is from 2011, but not much has changed. It's a pretty good chart highlighting the major differences. All in all from what I read there are actually some 200 rule differences between the two, but that doesn't necessarily mean everything will be called especially if it is something that does not involve actual or potential injury or if the infraction had no impact on the result of the play (did not give the violating team an advantage on the play). Last season when Trinity play Bellevue (who uses NFHS rules), Trinity was called for several penalties that were rule difference but it wasn't nearly enough to have a true impact on the outcome of the game.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 12:14:40 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 24, 2013, 10:16:49 am
Curious if there are any rule differences between Texas and Arkansas football that may come into play. Like say piling on. Haha.
http://khsaa.org/football/2011%20Major%20NF-NCAA%20FB%20Rules%20Differences.pdf
This is from 2011, but not much has changed. It's a pretty good chart highlighting the major differences. All in all from what I read there are actually some 200 rule differences between the two, but that doesn't necessarily mean everything will be called especially if it is something that does not involve actual or potential injury or if the infraction had no impact on the result of the play (did not give the violating team an advantage on the play). Last season when Trinity play Bellevue (who uses NFHS rules), Trinity was called for several penalties that were rule difference but it wasn't nearly enough to have a true impact on the outcome of the game.
When we played Texas in Bentonville, I think maybe they got called once for a blocking infraction because of the rule differences, but they seemed to be most frustrated not being able to return kickoffs from the endzone. Neither had any impact on the game at all.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:50:49 am
That's nice, we could use more seats, just not going to happen.
How many total seats.
No track around the field, I love that.
Pennington Field has permanent seating for about 12,000. There is about 8,000 seats on the home side and about 4,000 on the visitors side. Maybe more like 8,500 and 3,500. Something like that. Also the are two temporary endzone bleacher seats that seat about 500 each.
Here is an older picture, but it gives an aerial view.
(http://www.ballgamefinder.com/photos/locations/penningtonfld.jpg)
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 12:35:46 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:50:49 am
That's nice, we could use more seats, just not going to happen.
How many total seats.
No track around the field, I love that.
Pennington Field has permanent seating for about 12,000. There is about 8,000 seats on the home side and about 4,000 on the visitors side. Maybe more like 8,500 and 3,500. Something like that. Also the are two temporary endzone bleacher seats that seat about 500 each.
Here is an older picture, but it gives an aerial view.
(http://www.ballgamefinder.com/photos/locations/penningtonfld.jpg)
Definitely bigger, we needed our home side that big, maybe not the visitors. Do you have a track facility, soccer fields, Baseball and Softball fields connected to campus?
Good Afternoon Arkansas
Thankyou for replying to many of my questions.
So Arkansas does NOT allow kick returns from the endzone????????
That could be huge because Trinity historically likes to do a "sky" kick right to the number 20. The returner usually fair catches it. If he does run he usually does pretty well. Our kick coverage is oddly terrible. If Lineweaver can simply slam the ball into the endzone then he will find a kid that can do that.
Someone mentioned quarter length. Texas plays TWELVE minute quarters.
From previous interstate games most people are most concerned with the cut blocking rules. I suppose that benefits Bentonville more this year than Trinity. Trinity will have to make the adjustment.
Trinity Stadium belongs to the H-E-B District. It is shared by two high schools and 5 junior highs. In H-E-B the 9th grade teams are at the junior highs. The high schools are only 10,11,12 grade. It does seat 10 or 12,000. It was built in 1985 I think.
thnkyou
Good Afternoon
BILLY.....The other sports facilities are on the campus. This stadium is half way between the two hich schools that share it.
They also do events at local colleges....SMU, UNT, TCU, UTA.
Thankyou
Good Evening Arkansas
I bought the Athlon High School Magazine. It has some information about Bentonville. Here is what they say......
Arkansas is ranked as a Tier 3 state. Texas is ranked as a Tier 1.
Bentonville is not ranked as a top 25 team nationally. No team from Arkansas is in the top 25.
Bentonville is ranked as the #2 team in Arkansas.
"A solid cast of returnees for the Tigers includes senior tight end Jack Kraus, who has committed to Arkansas, and junior offensive tackle Ean Pfieifer, who had 26 knockdown blocks."
Arkansas First Team All State
TE Jack Kraus 6-5 230 Senior
Bentonville is also in one of the three games of the year.....
9/27 Har-Ber at Bentonville.
As for the Arkansas Top 10 Seniors, only Jack Kraus makes the list at #7.
Thankyou
Good Evening
For those who have not seen it, here is what FNF magazine (Texas High School Football) has to say about Trinity........
"Trinity football has become synonymous with winning over the last decade, aas the Trojans have won three state championships since 2005. The running back tandem of Babcock and Gonzalez combined for nearly 1400 yards and 19 rushing touchdowns in 2012, but both backs are similar in that they are power backs. When Trinity's been an elite level team, they've had a homerun hitter in the backfield and Franklin's big time speed could give the Trojans that game breaker they lacked a year ago. With three all district offensive linemen returning from 2012,look for Trinity's ground game to be extremely potent. Defensively, the linebacker trio of Ngalo, Woolley, and Mulanga to anchor (Editing?) a defense that was ranked first in the D/FW area last season, allowing just 219 yards of total offense per game. Olie is a force in the middle of the defensive line and is a prototype space eater in the middle, his ability will free up Trinity's hard hitting linebackers. The secondary is a bit young but they will have plenty of speed and talent. Odd years have been lucky for the Trojans, with state championships in 2005, 2007, 2009 and a state runner up in 2011(Huh, I missed that one) and 2013 could very well follow suit with Trinity contending for a state title."
Trinity is ranked as the #3 team in 5A
Hafoka Olie is 3rd team All State defense
Hafoka Olie is ranked #76 out of the top 100 5A seniors
Patrick Vahe is ranked #6 out of the top offensive linemen of 2015
Thankyou
Listen Texas guys, it's not the size of Trinity players, you are no bigger than Bennie teams of the past. It's more the speed of some of those players this year. Bentonville won't have the size or the speed this year as we have in the past but that's just to bad, boo hoo stuff. Bentonville will have to surprise me with their QB play and DB play to make this a good game. One thing we have is a great coaching staff so hopefully they can get all they can get out of the Tigers this year. I can assure you Trinity has a great staff also but they aren't any better than Bentonville's.
Notes on Trinity's scrimmage.
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?54796-**Trinity-Trojans-Thread**&p=2195664&viewfull=1#post2195664
I'm probably not the best qualified, but here goes.
Night and day difference in the two QB's. One has poise and passing accuracy under pressure, thinks on his feet and can gain yardage on runs when the opportunity presents itself. The other has none of those qualities. I won't say any names, but the good ones initials are DG. ::)
O-line was solid as usual.
RB's: Oh my! This is the deepest unit at RB I can remember. Babcock, was a solid every down type back who is always going forward, does not lose yards. Gonzalez was shifty and had some nice moves and plays. The two sophs. Holy smoke! Those guys were really really good. RB's were the most impressive, but there were some fumbles. That will have to be fixed.
WR's were okay.
TE. Three year starter in Will and a couple other solid guys, so that position is covered.
Defense was solid as usual. Biggest difference between this season and last is the overall defense. Last year the D-line was the heart of the defense and everything started and ended with those guys. The other units took advantage of the attention paid to the D-line and their excellent play. Last season, the other units were also very good, just not as good as the D-line. This season I'd say the defense is better all around. All units are pretty even.
In the scrimmage, the DT's and DE's constantly got into Carters backfield and had several tackles for losses. As usual, the were several run stuffing plays too.
Linebackers covered pretty well in passing, delivered hard hits and immediately tackled players that caught short passes. There were also a few gang tackles on ball carriers.
DB's covered very well. There was one bomb where a WR got past the DB and the QB delivered the ball perfectly in stride, but other than that one play, all other coverage was solid.
All in all, the Defense looks to be about what we have come to expect over the last several seasons. Pretty darn good!
The two speed burners (Ellsworth and Franklin) did not play. It's a shame cause I was looking forward to seeing them.
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:43:50 am
That's not bad. and I wouldn't call that small. Ours is either 80 or 90 yards, I think it's 80.
To be fair, Trinity's kids have adequate facilities AND don't have to have classes held in port-a-potties to meet state guidelines. :)
(note: I'll probably eventually be raising my kids in BISD, so that's a jab at myself also).
Quote from: elswagado on August 24, 2013, 01:45:31 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 11:43:50 am
That's not bad. and I wouldn't call that small. Ours is either 80 or 90 yards, I think it's 80.
To be fair, Trinity's kids have adequate facilities AND don't have to have classes held in port-a-potties to meet state guidelines. :)
We wouldn't either if we were the size of Trinity! ;) And we have all our own facilities we don't have to share like Trinity.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
Absolutely
nm.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpAWG9cjzc
Oh and Thank You.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
How is Trinity 94 gloating? I think his posts are more informational than gloating.
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 02:13:30 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
How is Trinity 94 gloating? I think his posts are more informational than gloating.
He hasn't, like you said mostly just posted info, nothing wrong with that.
What is it evening in Texas in the middle of the day? Heck I guess besides everything being big their time is ahead of us too???
questions -- WHO IS Athlon High School Football and what would they know about little ole Bentonville?
Nothing in the end zone ... kickoff, punt, fumble, interception ... is returnable by NFHS rules.
Another thing of note Euless Trinity will have to adjust to is the NFHS version of offsides. If you jump in the neutral zone, there is no jumping back in time. You are flagged on the spot. No questions asked.
There is also a difference in the distance between the hashmarks. Not much, but it makes a difference when you're in pass coverage and use the hashmarks as guidelines.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 24, 2013, 02:51:23 pm
What is it evening in Texas in the middle of the day? Heck I guess besides everything being big their time is ahead of us too???
questions -- WHO IS Athlon High School Football and what would they know about little ole Bentonville?
They know as much as these folks that have Bentonville ranked #30 in the country.
http://www.usatodayhss.com/team/bentonville-hs-bentonville-ar/boys-varsity-football/?season=2013
Good Afternoon Arkansas
7AFBFAN.....
All those previous posts say "Evening" because I copy/pasted them off of the 5Atexasfootball conversation about this game. I typed them up originally late at night.
That conversation can be found here......
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?76484-Euless-Trinity-vs-Bentonville-Arkansas-Week-3
This year Athlon produced a National High School football magazine. I bought it at an airport. Each state has it's own page or two and the top 25 schools all get an extra page as well. What I typed earlier is everything the magazine had to say about Bellevue and Trinity.
Thankyou
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
I have some advice. Simple rule of message boarding. If you are not interested in a topic (thread) or post, just skip it or ignore it. That's what I do. Obviously you did skip thru most of it. Blah blah blah blah blah. If you had read a little bit, you would realize that a lot of that was back and forth asking and answering questions of each other.
I post some of what I post about Trinity as a service. When Trinity plays an opponent I am not familiar with I like to do my research and find out as much as I can about them. I assume the fans of our opponent feel the same, so I provide info about Trinity. Facts are facts. If it seems braggadocious, it is not intended to be. My opinions or analysis may be partial bragging, but not the "info".
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 04:01:37 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
I have some advice. Simple rule of message boarding. If you are not interested in a topic (thread) or post, just skip it or ignore it. That's what I do. Obviously you did skip thru most of it. Blah blah blah blah blah. If you had read a little bit, you would realize that a lot of that was back and forth asking and answering questions of each other.
I post some of what I post about Trinity as a service. When Trinity plays an opponent I am not familiar with I like to do my research and find out as much as I can about them. I assume the fans of our opponent feel the same, so I provide info about Trinity. Facts are facts. If it seems braggadocious, it is not intended to be. My opinions or analysis may be partial bragging, but not the "info".
Like I said all I have seen so far are facts with some opinions. That's all good. unfortunately this board is dead compared to anything in the past. Maybe it will pick up. Arkansas folks are weak so far, don't expect smack from any Tiger fans but at least show some life on here.
Trinity 94 UNT 2000, as we know him on our board showed up a few years ago.
"Good Evening (sometimes morning or afternoon)"
...
Thankyou"...
...is his bit. It was funny at first, but now we have come to accept it and appreciate him. He does provide very good insight. He excels in research much like myself. The difference is I'm too lazy to do the research and post it sometimes as it can be very time consuming, he's not. I consider him a very valuable poster and I enjoy reading his post. He is also very tolerant and above board. He does not engage in silly arguments back and forth.
Thankyou
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 04:10:21 pm
Trinity 94 UNT 2000, as we know him on our board showed up a few years ago.
"Good Evening (sometimes morning or afternoon)"
...
Thankyou"...
...is his bit. It was funny at first, but now we have come to accept it and appreciate him. He does provide very good insight. He excels in research much like myself. The difference is I'm too lazy to do the research and post it sometimes as it can be very time consuming, he's not. I consider him a very valuable poster and I enjoy reading his post. He is also very tolerant and above board. He does not engage in silly arguments back and forth.
Thankyou
I love numbers and have worn people out on here with numbers and why I think what I think. Numbers can't always predict games but they can give a good start on forming your opinions. Anyone that may chime in that you can work numbers anyway you want, Please don't. we all know that.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
I love numbers and have worn people out on here with numbers and why I think what I think. Numbers can't always predict games but they can give a good start on forming your opinions. Anyone that may chime in that you can work numbers anyway you want, Please don't. we all know that.
Agreed. Number, facts, trends and analysis are all tools. They can be a predictor, but even people who have jobs where they use those tools know nothing is set in stone. There are always going to be upsets. Probably not in this game... ;D ...just saying.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 04:31:17 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
I love numbers and have worn people out on here with numbers and why I think what I think. Numbers can't always predict games but they can give a good start on forming your opinions. Anyone that may chime in that you can work numbers anyway you want, Please don't. we all know that.
Agreed. Number, facts, trends and analysis are all tools. They can be a predictor, but even people who have jobs where they use those tools know nothing is set in stone. There are always going to be upsets. Probably not in this game... ;D ...just saying.
Exactly, if you say my team gave up less than 200 yards on defense last year, that at face value is awesome. But then you have to ask "WHO did you play" numbers are just numbers.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 04:01:37 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
I have some advice. Simple rule of message boarding. If you are not interested in a topic (thread) or post, just skip it or ignore it. That's what I do. Obviously you did skip thru most of it. Blah blah blah blah blah. If you had read a little bit, you would realize that a lot of that was back and forth asking and answering questions of each other.
I post some of what I post about Trinity as a service. When Trinity plays an opponent I am not familiar with I like to do my research and find out as much as I can about them. I assume the fans of our opponent feel the same, so I provide info about Trinity. Facts are facts. If it seems braggadocious, it is not intended to be. My opinions or analysis may be partial bragging, but not the "info".
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 04:01:37 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
I have some advice. Simple rule of message boarding. If you are not interested in a topic (thread) or post, just skip it or ignore it. That's what I do. Obviously you did skip thru most of it. Blah blah blah blah blah. If you had read a little bit, you would realize that a lot of that was back and forth asking and answering questions of each other.
I post some of what I post about Trinity as a service. When Trinity plays an opponent I am not familiar with I like to do my research and find out as much as I can about them. I assume the fans of our opponent feel the same, so I provide info about Trinity. Facts are facts. If it seems braggadocious, it is not intended to be. My opinions or analysis may be partial bragging, but not the "info".
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Very Missed
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Oh, I see.
I am not sure why you feel the need to defend Coach Lunney or his staff. I have seen no comments questioning his coaching abilities. You don't accidentally win titles.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 05:13:46 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Oh, I see.
I am not sure why you feel the need to defend Coach Lunney or his staff. I have seen no comments questioning his coaching abilities. You don't accidentally win titles.
Certainly not
SIX!
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 05:15:00 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 05:13:46 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Oh, I see.
I am not sure why you feel the need to defend Coach Lunney or his staff. I have seen no comments questioning his coaching abilities. You don't accidentally win titles.
Certainly not SIX!
Texas.....I think it is more maybe the suggestive nature of some of the comments I have read from Trinity Fans. Granted nothing directly has been stated against Coach Lunney and his staff its more the perception that you are basing the football game( that has yet to be played) all on the players. Its as if you are dismissing the game entirely...like you have it already won.
It has been my experience (which isn't a lot) that sometimes a game can come down to Coaching. I have witnessed it several times with Coach Rick Jones and Coach Lunney That is all. :) If I have misunderstood that then my apologies.
Quote from: ramseyhog on August 24, 2013, 02:12:36 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpAWG9cjzc
Oh and Thank You.
I seen it.
Diehardfbfan, are you a female?
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 05:54:15 pm
Diehardfbfan, are you a female?
Yes and she is good folk. I think she is disappointed with the activity on the board.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 05:55:58 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 05:54:15 pm
Diehardfbfan, are you a female?
Yes and she is good folk. I think she is disappointed with the activity on the board.
A woman disappointed in activity and want to see drama? Nooooo neverrrrr.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 24, 2013, 03:57:42 pm
Good Afternoon Arkansas
Here is what FNF Magazine (Texas High School Football) has to say in an article about Trinity head coach Steve Lineweaver............
Man on a Mission at Euless Trinity
The Euless Trinity junior varsity football team of 1977, led by an eager, inexperienced coach named Steve Lineweaver, finished 5-5. Thirty-Six years later, that's the closest a Lineweaver coached team has ever come to a losing season. Lineweaver didn't provide that information, of course. The humble 66 year old, now in his 14th season as the head coach at Trinity and his 21st season as a head coach overall, couldn't tell you his record.
"I can't even venture a guess." He said.
Anyone who has followed Lineweaver would guess that it's pretty good. In truth, it's pretty ridiculous. Lineweaver's career record as a football coach is 237-37-2 and includes three 5A state titles at Trinity (2005, 2007, 2009) and a 3A state title at Commerce in 1999.
Lineweavers record only includes wins as a varsity head coach. It doesn't count the four junior varsity teams he led to undefeated records or his time at Southlake Carroll, when he was the offensive coordinator during a span of Bob Ledbetter teams that won two state titles and 72 straight regular season games.
"He's just a great leader," said Joe Spinato, who was on Lineweavers staff at Commerce and is now an assistant principal at North Mesquite. "He could run any company in the country because he's a man who when he has a goal, by God, he's going to get there."
Judging by the average of nearly 12 wins per season over the last two decades, the goal would be winning games. But for Lineweaver, wins on the scoreboard are a byproduct of other success.
When asked for a moment that stands out from a career of big victories, Lineweaver brought up Trinity's first state title in 2005. But that was only so he could mention what happened after Trinity beat Converse Judson in the 5A Division 1 title game.
Trinity safety Sione Vaitai led a prayer after the game in which he asked God to let the championship serve others. A month later, Lineweaver got a call from a juvenile detention center asking if the Trinity players would come out and talk to the kids at the correction facility.
"I called all the seniors together and asked them, 'Do you want to get on that yellow bus one more time?'" Lineweaver said. "They had to leave their friends, leave their girlfriends, and they could've all been too big time, you know. But all of them agreed. I was just so proud of those kids. "
The kids are what keeps Lineweaver going, he said, and he enjoys watching the players from different backgrounds working together at Trinity. The school's enrollment includes a sizeable percentage of white, black, Hispanic, and Asian students, along with one of the largest populations of Tongans outside of the South Pacific.
"To meld that into a football team is so fun and rewarding," he said. "I think maybe I wouldn't still be coaching if I didn't enjoy the diversity so much."
Lineweaver has an easy going personality, and he's known for telling offbeat stories to inspire players and even leading team sing-alongs. He's driven to succeed, but not at the expense of his primary goal of turning the players into "young men of empathy."
He has tremendous faith in his players, and he wants them to know it. When Samir Baker fumbled away Trinity's chance to put away Plano in the 2007 state semifinals, the senior running back sulked to the sideline.
"I knew he was mad," remembered Baker, who finished his college football career at Angelo State last year. "But he came over and said, 'Don't worry, you'll get another chance.'"
Given another chance, Baker came through, and so did Trinity. But not all of Lineweavers decisions have turned out so well. Perhaps the most famous decision came in the playoff matchup with Southlake Carroll in 2006 that drew nearly 60,000 fans to Texas Stadium to see a clash of undefeated powers.
With Trinity on its own 38 yard line and nursing a five point lead with less than three minutes left, Lineweaver opted for a fake punt. It didn't work, and Carroll took advantage of the short field to score the winning touchdown.
"I've gone for a few fake punts that I wish I hadn't have," Lineweaver said with a laugh.
But that's about all he has for regrets. And he has no timeline for retirement.
"Twenty years ago he was saying' 'I'm only going to coach for a few more years and then retire,'"Spinato said. "Yeah right."
Now is not the time, Lineweaver said.
"Coaching is a great opportunity to be of service, and I still feel I can be of service," he said. "I look at it each Christmas because that's the pause that all of us coaches have at Christmas break.
"So far, the pluses are always biggest and I just keep rolling on."
-Matt Wixon. Dallas Morning News.
Great read T 94, thanks for posting this.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
And that is great, however Lineweaver and his staff and probably more Lineweaver than anyone else is much more than "Xs and Os." The way he molds them kids in good ol' fashion faith. Whoever follows Coach Lineweaver after he retires I feel sorry for because it's more than just football.
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 06:24:21 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 01:45:03 pm
Trinity94 and Texas,
Gloat Much? Wow! I didn't read this for a few days and look at what all has transpired....blah blah blah blah blah.
Who Cares? I thought all this football stuff is settled on the field!
I'd match Bentonvilles Coaching staff against any in Texas. Period.
Oh and Thank You.
And that is great, however Lineweaver and his staff and probably more Lineweaver than anyone else is much more than "Xs and Os." The way he molds them kids in good ol' fashion faith. Whoever follows Coach Lineweaver after he retires I feel sorry for because it's more than just football.
Same with Barry Lunney at Bentonville
Good evening Arkansas
I have watched several of the Coach Lunny shows on youtube. Two weeks ago I would listen to them over and over while doing repetitive boring work, oddly, at work. No joke I probably listened to 24 hours worth of Bentonville stuff on youtube while at work. Anyways I concentrated on the Broken Arrow, South Panola, and Fayetteville(?) games. It was your first four Coach Lunny shows from last year.
Anyways the secret to Bentonville is very simple. It is not able to be defeated with X's and O's. It can only be beat by having more heart. The secret is the players themselves. The players are well coached and are SMART. Late in each episode are interviews with the players. Listen to them. Those kids get it. That is why they win. They are SMART and do not beat themselves. It is very impressive.
Thankyou
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 05:13:46 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
LOL! You Texans are priceless! Everything is bigger and better in Texas right? LOL!
Yes.......He and you both posted very insightful information and I did read it. All of it. Another poster GLionAlum used to bring a lot to the board with the info and insight he had. He is greatly missed. I was mainly trying to get a reaction(which I did :) ) and remind you of what you had said earlier to an Arkansas poster. Something about how the game is played on the field. I did however, mean my statement regarding the Bentonville Coaching Staff which is my opinion.
Thank You ;)
Oh, I see.
I am not sure why you feel the need to defend Coach Lunney or his staff. I have seen no comments questioning his coaching abilities. You don't accidentally win titles.
It very simple you can't see how pretentious you are being. Texicans in general that is. Since it's considered normal in texas you think it's actually normal which it's not.
Info = "We have this"
Pretentious = "We have this, do you?"
tldr: Being pretentious is normal for texicans not humans.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 05:31:33 pm
Texas.....I think it is more maybe the suggestive nature of some of the comments I have read from Trinity Fans. Granted nothing directly has been stated against Coach Lunney and his staff its more the perception that you are basing the football game (that has yet to be played) all on the players. Its as if you are dismissing the game entirely...like you have it already won.
It has been my experience (which isn't a lot) that sometimes a game can come down to Coaching. I have witnessed it several times with Coach Rick Jones and Coach Lunney That is all. :) If I have misunderstood that then my apologies.
No apology desired or required. I am not offended and I hope you aren't either.
I kinda look at the coaches and staff as a wash. Both have great Head coaches and staffs. The glaring difference in this game is in the players themselves. An extreme example is the Trinity Shiloh game. Shiloh had one great offensive player and one great defensive linemen. Most of the rest of their players were solid, but only having less than 30 players, going both ways and playing against a team that deep, big, strong, powerful, fast, etc... I could have taken the place of Lineweaver and Landry or Parcels or Lombardi or Bear Bryant or Nick Sabin or even Lineweaver coaching against his own team for Shiloh. It wouldn't have made a difference. It may have been closer, but it still would have been ugly. In my years of watching football on many different levels, I have noticed that coaching usually comes into play with evenly matched teams. Trinity and Bentonville are much more evenly matched than Trinity and Shiloh, but still.
Don't get me wrong. I am not discounting Lunney and staff, nor do I think Trinity's "athlete advantage" (for lack of a better term) can't be overcome. It's just that I doubt either man will be "out coached". They are too good to be out coached. Like I said coaching is a wash. They are basically evenly matched coaching wise. That's why I am not focusing my discussion on the coaches. Also, there is only so much you can say about a coach, once you have established he is a great coach. Besides, there have been plenty of post from Trinity fans about Coach Lineweaver. Trinity 94 just posted a story from the DMN today.
I hope that clears things up.
Good evening Arkansas
Here is a video of Trinity vs Tulsa Union from 2012. Bentonville plays Union in scrimmages correct? If so this video could give you some barometer of what to look for and expect.
This tape is the Union coaches post game program.
2012 vs Trinity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPUeh__RV4
Here is a video that seems to be fan made by a trinity supporter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ox3PPyxZGs
Players to watch that will be in the game this year:
RB 22, 30, 33
TE 40
O-Line Pretty much all of them return.
D-Line 95, 96, 97
LB 25, 35
DB Pretty much all of them return.
Thankyou
Quote from: phdefense on August 24, 2013, 09:28:14 pm
It very simple you can't see how pretentious you are being. Texicans in general that is. Since it's considered normal in texas you think it's actually normal which it's not.
Info = "We have this"
Pretentious = "We have this, do you?"
tldr: Being pretentious is normal for texicans not humans.
I really don't care what YOU think. You are offensive and rude. From the get go you have been like this. Did you get jumped by a gang of Hispanic Texans when you were a child? Texican? You obviously hate everything about Texas and everyone from Texas, even though we have been nothing but civil in our comments. Okay maybe a few good natured jabs, but otherwise. Like I told Diehard, if you don't like what someone writes, or in your case don't like them, just go on about your business. I don't think it is worth your time to address me in your posts. I really don't care.
I'm gonna continue to do what I do. I suppose you'll continue to do what you do. I'm here for another month or so, then it's back to my board. I'm sure you can't wait. I just wish you could get over whatever issues you have and move on with your life.
Somewhere DiehardFBfan is smiling ;D
Hopefully you guys will visit some after week three.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 10:45:00 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 24, 2013, 09:28:14 pm
It very simple you can't see how pretentious you are being. Texicans in general that is. Since it's considered normal in texas you think it's actually normal which it's not.
Info = "We have this"
Pretentious = "We have this, do you?"
tldr: Being pretentious is normal for texicans not humans.
I really don't care what YOU think. You are offensive and rude. From the get go you have been like this. Did you get jumped by a gang of Hispanic Texans when you were a child? Texican? You obviously hate everything about Texas and everyone from Texas, even though we have been nothing but civil in our comments. Okay maybe a few good natured jabs, but otherwise. Like I told Diehard, if you don't like what someone writes, or in your case don't like them, just go on about your business. I don't think it is worth your time to address me in your posts. I really don't care.
I'm gonna continue to do what I do. I suppose you'll continue to do what you do. I'm here for another month or so, then it's back to my board. I'm sure you can't wait. I just wish you could get over whatever issues you have and move on with your life.
If you don't care what I think then why take the time to respond mr. texican? Your board? Really? You own it? Typical pretentious texican attitude. Like I said you texicans never think you do anything wrong. Nothing but a constant diatribe of self justification. BTW I call my family from texas "texicans' as well and they laugh . Of course they act like they have had a raising because their parents are from Arkansas. You poor poor texican just can't see the forest for the trees just because because your pretentious & narcissistic mindset is normal for texicans that does not mean it is normal for the rest of us you know "normal" humans.
You boys from Trinity are gonna have to step it up.....it's almost football season and you will find us here on Fearless Friday much like you say about your team on the field....once the game starts, we "play" hard until the whistle blows....and occasionally, through the whistle.... ;)
It's time to "toughen up buttercups".....you're on our turf, and the real game, at least here on the board, is about to begin....
As an old coach around here used to say...."this is a two chin strap league"....and winning on the board is an entirely different game..
Quote from: Baitshop on August 25, 2013, 01:05:36 am
You boys from Trinity are gonna have to step it up.....it's almost football season and you will find us here on Fearless Friday much like you say about your team on the field....once the game starts, we "play" hard until the whistle blows....and occasionally, through the whistle.... ;)
It's time to "toughen up buttercups".....you're on our turf, and the real game, at least here on the board, is about to begin....
As an old coach around here used to say...."this is a two chin strap league"....and winning on the board is an entirely different game..
Bait, go easy on these Texas boys. They just aren't accustomed to anyone questioning their "superiority".
The powers that be on "their" board run interference, keeping anyone with a potential dissenting opinion off the field, so to speak.
Go on down to their sorry excuse for a message board and join. You'll get an ID alright, you just won't get posting privileges.
They have their own little place to say whatever they want without anyone to call them out on their B.S.
Is Bentonville scrimmaging Tulsa Union this year?
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 25, 2013, 10:38:26 am
Is Bentonville scrimmaging Tulsa Union this year?
Nope, Owasso, on Thursday night, with the
Tulsa Union saying that both Owasso and Broken Arrow (!) (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/High_School_Football_Preview_This_year_features_defensive/20130825_227_HF4_ULNSlc458100) may have their best defenses "in many years".
Bennie picked a good year to go over the 4,000 mark. Hopefully, it picked a good year to play Owasso (in scrimmage), your Rock, BA and ET, though probably not. Nonetheless, Lunney's teams haven't quit in years past, and I don't see a reason for them to this year. (BTW, today the ADG announced its preseason all-state and all-sophomore teams...interestingly, a Bennie DB made the latter, with the all-but-forgotten-in-this-thread Jack Kraus making the former.)
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on August 25, 2013, 08:31:52 am
Quote from: Baitshop on August 25, 2013, 01:05:36 am
You boys from Trinity are gonna have to step it up.....it's almost football season and you will find us here on Fearless Friday much like you say about your team on the field....once the game starts, we "play" hard until the whistle blows....and occasionally, through the whistle.... ;)
It's time to "toughen up buttercups".....you're on our turf, and the real game, at least here on the board, is about to begin....
As an old coach around here used to say...."this is a two chin strap league"....and winning on the board is an entirely different game..
Bait, go easy on these Texas boys. They just aren't accustomed to anyone questioning their "superiority".
The powers that be on "their" board run interference, keeping anyone with a potential dissenting opinion off the field, so to speak.
Go on down to their sorry excuse for a message board and join. You'll get an ID alright, you just won't get posting privileges.
They have their own little place to say whatever they want without anyone to call them out on their B.S.
Oh.....RD is a member on their board too..??..??
Earl. Your absolutely right about 5ATexasfootball.com. There has been a recent ownership/leadership change over there. I am not sure what is going on over there, but you are right. I do now remember hearing about new members not being able to post. Sorry.
I started a thread over at http://www.texashsfootball.com/ (http://www.texashsfootball.com/).
http://texashsfootball.com/forums/index.php?/topic/118-euless-trinity-at-bentonville-ar/
Please go over there and vote in my poll and make a few comments. ;)
Good evening Arkansas
Here is a complete game from 2011. It is Trinity versus our district rival LD Bell. There are two players in this game that are on the 2013 roster. Will Taylor, TE, #40. Hafoka Olie, DT, #95.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnaK8bJ9dDw
This was a pretty good Trinity team. LD Bell was their typical 5-5 self. Many of these players ended up playing in college.....
Trinity
RB
Joel Kimpela.............Georgetown.......................5-10...185
OL
Hiva Lutui.................Utah.....................................6-2...285
Richard Lolohea.......Sam Houston St.
Henry Lea'aetoa......Tyler Junior college...............6-3...305
DL
Polo Manukainiu.......Texas A&M (deceased)........6-5...250
Moahengi Latu.........Sam Houston St.
Sam Tevi..................Utah......................................6-5...270
Gaius Vaenuku.........Utah (deceased)...................6-5...260
LB
Brian Nance..............Baylor...................................6-2...215
Dez Richardson........Georgetown..........................6-2...225
DB
Ilaiu Moeakiola.......Arizona St...............................6-1...195
K
Austin Lopez..........San Jose St.
LD Bell
QB
Kyle Romano..........Eastern Kentucky..................6-1...185
OL
Kimo Tipoti..............Texas A&M.............................6-4...328
Jesse Robinson......Oklahoma St...........................6-6...270
DL
Vili Levini.................Oklahoma St.........................6-5...230
Kafo Tuha................Houston Baptist...................6-0...285
DB
Kamari Syrie...........Iowa St.................................5-9...198
Noe Kipulu..............Cisco Junior College..............6-1...170
Thankyou
Good Evening Arkansas
Here is a complete Trinity game from last season. This was week 1 versus Bellevue Washington. Not a great performance early by Trinity. Not great at all. Bellevue has the player of the game in Myles Jack. He played RB and LB and is now at UCLA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYo8NlTFo4Y
Returning players in this game
QB 14
RB 22, 30, 33
TE 40
O-Line Most of them
D-Line 95, 96, 97
LB 25,35
DB, Most of them
This was the first varsity game for pretty much every Trinity starter except QB 15, DE 11, DE 32, DT 95.
Thankyou
Been reading these novels posted by these Texas boys, and quite honestly, I won't remember a name, height, weight or anything else you've shared on here. Quit referring to your Shiloh game. Not apples to apples by any stretch of the imagination. Not going to expand on that. Most 7a West and NW Arkansas high school football followers know exactly what I'm talking about.
I have graduated from Tiger dad to Tiger fan. Mine has moved to higher education, so I get to just enjoy the season. ( it was a fun 3 years though, and I know urhog agrees.) I watched about 15 minutes of the scrimmage last night and it was as expected. Lunney hates these things and the Varsity does just enough to say they participated.
All the talk last year was that Bentonville had bitten more than it could chew for its OOC schedule. One win at best. Well, the Tigers went 3-0 and none of the games were really that close. Spanked big bad Panola 41-6 and back-ups played the last 1 1/2 quarters. The Tigers will not be intimidated by Trinity, or any other team. Lunney, much like he did at SS, has established a winning program. They expect to win EVERY game.
There are some definite holes to fill. There are every year. I wont begin to roll off a bunch of stats because the stats don't measure heart.
I freakin hate Texas football. I grew up a Razorback fan, and hate the color burnt orange. This is very personal for me, as it should be for any Arkansas football fan. You are from Texas. You ARE the enemy. Lunney will have them ready. Y'all do your little "hooka dance", or whatever its called and then give us your best shot. Don't be surprised if your drive home is a long one. Just sayin!!!!!!
It won't be any longer of a drive than last year's....just saying.
nm
How long is the bus ride by the way? Will that factor any?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 07:58:39 am
How long is the bus ride by the way? Will that factor any?
It's about 7 hours if you stop and eat. I would think they come up on Thursday.
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Quote from: Baitshop on August 25, 2013, 01:35:04 pm
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on August 25, 2013, 08:31:52 am
Quote from: Baitshop on August 25, 2013, 01:05:36 am
You boys from Trinity are gonna have to step it up.....it's almost football season and you will find us here on Fearless Friday much like you say about your team on the field....once the game starts, we "play" hard until the whistle blows....and occasionally, through the whistle.... ;)
It's time to "toughen up buttercups".....you're on our turf, and the real game, at least here on the board, is about to begin....
As an old coach around here used to say...."this is a two chin strap league"....and winning on the board is an entirely different game...
Bait, go easy on these Texas boys. They just aren't accustomed to anyone questioning their "superiority".
The powers that be on "their" board run interference, keeping anyone with a potential dissenting opinion off the field, so to speak.
Go on down to their sorry excuse for a message board and join. You'll get an ID alright, you just won't get posting privileges.
They have their own little place to say whatever they want without anyone to call them out on their B.S.
Oh.....RD is a member on their board too..??..??
Word.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/headlines/20130824-the-best-dallas-area-high-schools-that-produce-football-stars.ece?ssimg=1160470#ssTop1160513
I agree that not all schools in Texas produce top football programs. With 245 schools in the 5A division, it's very difficult to win district, yet alone a state title. There are many teams with D1 players who don't even make it out of their district.
I think it will be a treat to travel to NWA and watch one of the top 2 teams from Arkansas (16 5A schools in AR) against a top 5 ranked team out of Texas. I always appreciate the fact Bentonville will play against strong schools to help improve the program. There is a huge difference in the way they will approach this game against Trinity vs. the way Shiloh approached it. Bentonville is a class-act program, with a great Christian coach.
I doubt we will see the same type of video played before the game as the one played when Shiloh came down here an played the Trojans. I still get a laugh at that "smoke & mirrors" program.
Shiloh probably had a t-shirt made up after the game saying they played Trinity within 60. They are all about hype of any kind. Funny to see their program now where they are unable to even compete well in 5A.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 08:49:12 am
Shiloh probably had a t-shirt made up after the game saying they played Trinity within 60. They are all about hype of any kind. Funny to see their program now where they are unable to even compete well in 5A.
The last two years if Shiloh had played in the 7A west as down as it's been, they probably would not have won a single game.
I get a feeling some of our new Texas friends on here think that we are unaware of the Trinity Tojans and the quality of football they have played. Bentonville will be smaller, slower with big questions at a few key positions this year and we will still be a better football TEAM by 10 fold than the self proclaimed ( Delusional) Shiloh Saints you played. The Tigers may get beat hey it's not like we are highly ranked this year but if you Trojan fans think we will just fall down and let you run over us you may be in for a big surprise.
Funny thing about that comment is how that same Shiloh held it's own in scrimmages against Springdale and Fayetteville in year's past. My bet is that Shiloh team that played Trinity would have been beaten by only 7-10 by Bentonville. We will never know.
The rules Shiloh has to live with today are different than when they had 4 D1 players (thanks to the public schools whinning about the players transfering to SC), which everyone knows is the reason this program has gone in the toilet. I would bet if you took away the 365 transfer and the multiplier rules, SC would give Bentonville a competitive game (not saying they would win).
Quote from: bystander on August 26, 2013, 09:31:48 am
Funny thing about that comment is how that same Shiloh held it's own in scrimmages against Springdale and Fayetteville in year's past. My bet is that Shiloh team that played Trinity would have been beaten by only 7-10 by Bentonville. We will never know.
The rules Shiloh has to live with today are different than when they had 4 D1 players (thanks to the public schools whinning about the players transfering to SC), which everyone knows is the reason this program has gone in the toilet. I would bet if you took away the 365 transfer and the multiplier rules, SC would give Bentonville a competitive game (not saying they would win).
No they wouldn't win ever, because you can't beat Bentonville with a handful of very good players and the lack of quality of rest of the team and NO depth they always have. My guess is they would get beat 9 out of 10 times with Bentonville's JV teams the last 5-6 years.
bystander, we have seen their 4 D1 players. Keep hyping them all you want, anything Shilow is laughable.
Quote from: bystander on August 26, 2013, 09:31:48 am
Funny thing about that comment is how that same Shiloh held it's own in scrimmages against Springdale and Fayetteville in year's past. My bet is that Shiloh team that played Trinity would have been beaten by only 7-10 by Bentonville. We will never know.
The rules Shiloh has to live with today are different than when they had 4 D1 players (thanks to the public schools whinning about the players transfering to SC), which everyone knows is the reason this program has gone in the toilet. I would bet if you took away the 365 transfer and the multiplier rules, SC would give Bentonville a competitive game (not saying they would win).
Leave it to a Shiloh guy to get boatraced by 60 and still talk trash.... ::)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 09:44:21 am
bystander, we have seen their 4 D1 players. Keep hyping them all you want, anything Shilow is laughable.
What some folks ( Mostly from small schools) don't seem to understand is that Football is a team sport. Not a handful of standouts. If you are going to compete with the Big boys or elite schools, you need to have very good, very well coached players on the entire team other than the D1 guys you may have on the roster.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 26, 2013, 10:05:43 am
Quote from: bystander on August 26, 2013, 09:31:48 am
Funny thing about that comment is how that same Shiloh held it's own in scrimmages against Springdale and Fayetteville in year's past. My bet is that Shiloh team that played Trinity would have been beaten by only 7-10 by Bentonville. We will never know.
The rules Shiloh has to live with today are different than when they had 4 D1 players (thanks to the public schools whinning about the players transfering to SC), which everyone knows is the reason this program has gone in the toilet. I would bet if you took away the 365 transfer and the multiplier rules, SC would give Bentonville a competitive game (not saying they would win).
Leave it to a Shiloh guy to get boatraced by 60 and still talk trash.... ::)
That game looked like Bentonville vs Nettleton. Should have never been scheduled.
As a confirmation of my comment.....here is what the Shiloh coach said after the debacle....
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1147471
Dude, that is some STRONG koolaid that they are/were drinking up there...
Quote from: Baitshop on August 26, 2013, 10:28:02 am
As a confirmation of my comment.....here is what the Shiloh coach said after the debacle....
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1147471
Dude, that is some STRONG koolaid that they are/were drinking up there...
Don't hear much from them anymore. Thank God ( Pun intended)
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
Wait you are taking small case scenarios to make your argument. How convenient to pick and choose.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
HA! and Shiloh still would have lost by 3 TD's.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
Couple of additional things:
1. 2011 was a fascinating year. Bennie faced (as said here) no fewer than seven QBs (Kirby Schoenthaler, Drew Hare, Tanner Knight, Brandon Allen, Reed Brown, Ryan Luther, Joseph Calcagni), 5 of whom are still playing college ball now, who between them threw/ranfor nearly 50,000 yards in their hs careers, and I might be undercounting.
2. Interesting that 7AW 2011 is heavily represented on Arkansas this year with Allen, Brey Cook and Mitch Smothers just named as starters. Smothers was, I believe, the first true freshman ever to start at OL for Arkansas in fall 2011. Could Cook and Smothers possibly have NFL futures?
3. Also, I think 2011 was the first time northwest Arkansas had two Parade all-Americans (Cook and Kiehl Frazier) since 2006 (read: "Springdale 2005"). Don't know when it happened before that.
4. Frazier was still named USA Today Offensive Player-of-the-year after the 2010 season.
5. I thought that at least one poll (USA Today?) started two NWA teams in their hs Top 25 (Shiloh Christian and Har-Ber, then-defending 7A champ).
It wasn't the "be-all-and-end-all" for high school football, but 2011 was quite an interesting year. And Bennie's average defense (compared to 2012 and 2013 for sure) held up pretty well.
If Bennie Doesn't beat the Rock in week one, and Broken Arrow in week two. This game will be ugly.
Rich has Bennie picked in week one.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 12:37:23 pm
Rich has Bennie picked in week one.
Rich has never been to the Rock apparently, I hope he is right. They are like Bentonville, they rarely lose at home unless it's the playoffs and then not so much either.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 26, 2013, 10:28:02 am
As a confirmation of my comment.....here is what the Shiloh coach said after the debacle....
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1147471
Dude, that is some STRONG koolaid that they are/were drinking up there...
"
Shiloh realizes it can do nothing to erase the 80 points it yielded, but Floyd wishes someone would remember it scored 26 and is one of just two teams to have scored more than a touchdown against a 9-0 Trinity team that currently is ranked No. 3 in the land.
It was the Shiloh offense that actually kept the team in the game for a bit with Trinity."
I almost fell on the floor reading this. I was laughing so hard.
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:52:31 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 26, 2013, 10:28:02 am
As a confirmation of my comment.....here is what the Shiloh coach said after the debacle....
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1147471
Dude, that is some STRONG koolaid that they are/were drinking up there...
"Shiloh realizes it can do nothing to erase the 80 points it yielded, but Floyd wishes someone would remember it scored 26 and is one of just two teams to have scored more than a touchdown against a 9-0 Trinity team that currently is ranked No. 3 in the land.
It was the Shiloh offense that actually kept the team in the game for a bit with Trinity."
I almost fell on the floor reading this. I was laughing so hard.
As we 7A west teams did, it was sad to say the least.
Rich factors in home field advantage from what I can tell. Also to note if I am reading his calculations correctly if Bennie was playing Trinity in week one they would be a 1 point underdog. Don't hold me to that since that is his information and his calculations and I am just a dummy trying to figure it all out. ;D
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 12:54:33 pm
Rich factors in home field advantage from what I can tell. Also to note if I am reading his calculations correctly if Bennie was playing Trinity in week one they would be a 1 point underdog. Don't hold me to that since that is his information and his calculations and I am just a dummy trying to figure it all out. ;D
That's crazy, I love Rich but I must disagree.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
Hey don't disagree with Rich, I am the one saying it and could have the calculations all wrong. What do you think is a fair point spread from week one Rockhurst and if they were actually playing Trinity week one?
Hey guys, let's remember fantasy land for what it was, Trinity played everyone on the bench and if I am guessing the end of the bench played as much as the starters.
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
I did and that's exactly what happened.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 01:00:15 pm
Hey guys, let's remember fantasy land for what it was, Trinity played everyone on the bench and if I am guessing the end of the bench played as much as the starters.
Like I said it was like Bentonville/Nettleton. first 9 plays we touched the ball we scored 6 touchdowns.. That was the first qtr. pulled the starters every player dressed out played that game. Mercy clock started at the beginning of the 2nd qtr, by both coaches agreement.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 26, 2013, 10:07:03 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 09:44:21 am
bystander, we have seen their 4 D1 players. Keep hyping them all you want, anything Shilow is laughable.
What some folks ( Mostly from small schools) don't seem to understand is that Football is a team sport. Not a handful of standouts. If you are going to compete with the Big boys or elite schools, you need to have very good, very well coached players on the entire team other than the D1 guys you may have on the roster.
The problem for Bentonville is they are about to play a team that has both (D1 players + well coached).
As for $hiloh, you won't have to ever have to hear the fans at that school consider themselves to be top notch again. That was taken care of when the AAA instituted the one-way transfer rule (To the Texas fans: That is a rule instituted in Arkansas after $hiloh beat up on the public schools: If a public school athlete wants to transfer to a private school they have to sit out 365 days. On the flip side, if a $hiloh student (or any private school) wants to transfer to Bentonville or any other public school and play immediately). Public schools don't like to be embarrassed by the private schools, and have their students transfer to out to play for a private school.
On the other hand, they have no issue with a top rated basketball player transferring into their school. I wonder if Monk would have transferred if he had to sit out one season... Oh wait.. I am sure it wasn't his idea, but rather because his mom got a new job in Bentonville....
Trinity Fans: The Monk kid would be the equivalent if your 7'0" center was transferring to HP because the parents mysteriously got a new job. The AAA is a system built to benefit the public schools in Arkansas, and the private schools have no choice because there aren't enough private schools like TAPPS. They just take it and say "thank you" for letting us be part of the association.
Goo Afternoon Arkansas Fans
I have a question about your sportsmanship rules.
I saw a mention of MERCY RULES being activated during a game. What are the requirements for that? Will it be in effect for the Trinity game if necessary?
In Texas there are no mercy rules. I have seen several occassions where Lineweaver and an opposing coach will agree to have a running clock during the second half. Usually a game where we have 50 points by halftime or if there is a 30 point spread combined with bad weather.
Also, I know it is early, but, is there any word up there about a return trip down here in 2014?
Thankyou
Trinity94, here's your answer.
Arkansas' mercy rule is that there is a running clock once a team has a 35-point lead at any point in the second half. If there is a 35-point lead at halftime, it goes into effect at the start of the second half.
The only time the clock is supposed to stop is when a team scores or a timeout (whether called or by means of injury).
Different states may treat their mercy rule differently. In Missouri, if the second team cuts the lead to under 35 points, then the clock goes back to normal timing.
As far as future meetings, nothing has been discussed yet.
Quote from: bystander on August 26, 2013, 01:52:46 pm
Trinity Fans: The Monk kid would be the equivalent if your 7'0" center was transferring to HP because the parents mysteriously got a new job. The AAA is a system built to benefit the public schools in Arkansas, and the private schools have no choice because there aren't enough private schools like TAPPS. They just take it and say "thank you" for letting us be part of the association.
We like our 7' center just where he is.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/5-star-euless-trinity-post-myles-turner-trims-list-to-eight-oklahoma-state-texas-make-the-cut.html/
(http://images.maxpreps.com/site_images/editorial/article/5/c/5/5c5dad2c-b910-4b85-9a33-f4c42fd4c2d1/df44ad6a-37d9-e211-a98a-002655e6c126_original.jpg)
Myles Turner is listed the #5 overall prospect by Scout.com.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 26, 2013, 02:03:30 pm
Goo Afternoon Arkansas Fans
I have a question about your sportsmanship rules.
I saw a mention of MERCY RULES being activated during a game. What are the requirements for that? Will it be in effect for the Trinity game if necessary?
In Texas there are no mercy rules. I have seen several occassions where Lineweaver and an opposing coach will agree to have a running clock during the second half. Usually a game where we have 50 points by halftime or if there is a 30 point spread combined with bad weather.
Also, I know it is early, but, is there any word up there about a return trip down here in 2014?
Thankyou
We've done that at the beginning of 2nd qtr, big deal. The rule is set for a good reason. It just speeds the game up when it is already over.
Quote from: bystander on August 26, 2013, 01:52:46 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 26, 2013, 10:07:03 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 09:44:21 am
bystander, we have seen their 4 D1 players. Keep hyping them all you want, anything Shilow is laughable.
What some folks ( Mostly from small schools) don't seem to understand is that Football is a team sport. Not a handful of standouts. If you are going to compete with the Big boys or elite schools, you need to have very good, very well coached players on the entire team other than the D1 guys you may have on the roster.
Let's see, there are jobs in NWA, it's a pretty decent place to live, strong education, etc. If you have the ability to move are you saying you would not? I have never been to East Poinsette County, but, I would venture to guess that it may not be a bad place to be "from"....
The problem for Bentonville is they are about to play a team that has both (D1 players + well coached).
As for $hiloh, you won't have to ever have to hear the fans at that school consider themselves to be top notch again. That was taken care of when the AAA instituted the one-way transfer rule (To the Texas fans: That is a rule instituted in Arkansas after $hiloh beat up on the public schools: If a public school athlete wants to transfer to a private school they have to sit out 365 days. On the flip side, if a $hiloh student (or any private school) wants to transfer to Bentonville or any other public school and play immediately). Public schools don't like to be embarrassed by the private schools, and have their students transfer to out to play for a private school.
On the other hand, they have no issue with a top rated basketball player transferring into their school. I wonder if Monk would have transferred if he had to sit out one season... Oh wait.. I am sure it wasn't his idea, but rather because his mom got a new job in Bentonville....
Trinity Fans: The Monk kid would be the equivalent if your 7'0" center was transferring to HP because the parents mysteriously got a new job. The AAA is a system built to benefit the public schools in Arkansas, and the private schools have no choice because there aren't enough private schools like TAPPS. They just take it and say "thank you" for letting us be part of the association.
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
Let's see how your pal Frazier does this year on the end of the bench.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
LOL- LOL- LOL- LOL.. you crack me up!
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 26, 2013, 02:36:06 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
LOL- LOL- LOL- LOL.. you crack me up!
Yes, Harville, Frazier, et all.... their hype really helped out in college..... (or maybe it was drug testing?)
If only the announcer would have played one of their hype CD's before every college game. We are great, we are great, look at us we are great.
Quote from: Spaulding on August 26, 2013, 02:40:54 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 26, 2013, 02:36:06 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
LOL- LOL- LOL- LOL.. you crack me up!
Yes, Harville, Frazier, et all.... their hype really helped out in college..... (or maybe it was drug testing?)
Harvill quit because he got hammered at K-state and went awol. It wasn't like pushing pea ridge guys around anymore.
What about Bodenstein, he couldn't make it at Kansas, tried to transfer to Arkansas State.. is he even playing anymore.
Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 26, 2013, 12:10:39 am
Been reading these novels posted by these Texas boys, and quite honestly, I won't remember a name, height, weight or anything else you've shared on here. Quit referring to your Shiloh game. Not apples to apples by any stretch of the imagination. Not going to expand on that. Most 7a West and NW Arkansas high school football followers know exactly what I'm talking about.
I have graduated from Tiger dad to Tiger fan. Mine has moved to higher education, so I get to just enjoy the season. ( it was a fun 3 years though, and I know urhog agrees.) I watched about 15 minutes of the scrimmage last night and it was as expected. Lunney hates these things and the Varsity does just enough to say they participated.
All the talk last year was that Bentonville had bitten more than it could chew for its OOC schedule. One win at best. Well, the Tigers went 3-0 and none of the games were really that close. Spanked big bad Panola 41-6 and back-ups played the last 1 1/2 quarters. The Tigers will not be intimidated by Trinity, or any other team. Lunney, much like he did at SS, has established a winning program. They expect to win EVERY game.
There are some definite holes to fill. There are every year. I wont begin to roll off a bunch of stats because the stats don't measure heart.
I freakin hate Texas football. I grew up a Razorback fan, and hate the color burnt orange. This is very personal for me, as it should be for any Arkansas football fan. You are from Texas. You ARE the enemy. Lunney will have them ready. Y'all do your little "hooka dance", or whatever its called and then give us your best shot. Don't be surprised if your drive home is a long one. Just sayin!!!!!!
lol!!! Just sayin!!!
Billyo,
Bodenstein's still there...unfortunately, Garrett Kaufman apparently isn't. (http://www.astateredwolves.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&SPID=2798&SPSID=35789) :( (His picture came up when I googled "Rockhurst football stadium" a few weeks back.)
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. [/b] Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
I try to stay out of these type of conversations, but are you talking about the year we average 47 points, didn't score less than 30 that season, and our starters play only 3 complete games?? Really.... ::)
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on August 26, 2013, 02:10:58 pm
Trinity94, here's your answer.
Arkansas' mercy rule is that there is a running clock once a team has a 35-point lead at any point in the second half. If there is a 35-point lead at halftime, it goes into effect at the start of the second half.
The only time the clock is supposed to stop is when a team scores or a timeout (whether called or by means of injury).
Different states may treat their mercy rule differently. In Missouri, if the second team cuts the lead to under 35 points, then the clock goes back to normal timing.
As far as future meetings, nothing has been discussed yet.
B. Sportsmanship-Timing Rule.
Note: By authority of the NFHS Football Rules Committee,
states may adopt a "running clock" when a designated point
differential is attained. Arkansas' adoption is as follows.
After the first half, upon reaching a score differential of 35
points or more, the game clock will be stopped only when:
1. An official's time-out is called.
a. When a first down is declared.
b. Following a change of possession.
c. To dry or change the game ball.
2. A charged time-out is called.
3. At the end of a period.
4. A score occurs.
C. The clock will continue to run in all other situations
Source AAA handbook
Personally, I've seen different crews administer this rule in many ways. But there's the "official" version for Arkansas.
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 26, 2013, 02:56:10 pm
Billyo,
Bodenstein's still there...unfortunately, Garrett Kaufman apparently isn't. (http://www.astateredwolves.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7200&SPID=2798&SPSID=35789) :( (His picture came up when I googled "Rockhurst football stadium" a few weeks back.)
Kaufman is playing baseball (his first love) in Louisiana.
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 26, 2013, 03:11:35 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. [/b] Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
I try to stay out of these type of conversations, but are you talking about the year we average 47 points, didn't score less than 30 that season, and our starters play only 3 complete games?? Really.... ::)
Yup that's also the same team that who's defense gave up 32 points on average when they played Fayetteville (both times), Harber (both times), Heritage and Northside. If you remove Heritage from that it jumps up to 33 points. The starters were in for a majority of the Fayetteville, Harber (not the 2nd one probably) and Northside games.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 04:36:29 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 26, 2013, 03:11:35 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. [/b] Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
I try to stay out of these type of conversations, but are you talking about the year we average 47 points, didn't score less than 30 that season, and our starters play only 3 complete games?? Really.... ::)
Yup that's also the same team that who's defense gave up 32 points on average when they played Fayetteville (both times), Harber (both times), Heritage and Northside. If you remove Heritage from that it jumps up to 33 points. The starters were in for a majority of the Fayetteville, Harber (not the 2nd one probably) and Northside games.
What year was that?
Not clear on why someone who detests the 7A would know so much about them.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 26, 2013, 04:48:07 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 04:36:29 pm
Quote from: 2bhsboys on August 26, 2013, 03:11:35 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 12:58:15 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 am
There were a couple of true statements in that article..
The 7a depth argument is overrated... Especially if you don't elaborate on it.
Depth wasn't a problem for Greenwood against Conway, Northside or Southside last year (all three games were blowouts)
Neither was it a problem for tiny little Class 4 Webb City against Big bad Harber with Josh Frazier last year either.
Didn't help Harber against El Dorado a couple of years either.
Shiloh scored 27 points on Trinity, who had a pretty good defense that year. Bentonville with their average defense wouldn't of held them under 40.
26. One TD was a KO return. If you are being honest, you will admit the only reason they scored 26 was because of the NASCAR (high speed) no huddle offense which ran very little time off the clock, and the fact that Trinity scored on 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th plays on their possessions frequently. Much more went bad for Shiloh's offense than went right. Did you watch the game? Most of their big gains came from broken plays and miracles performed by Frazier.
One Kickoff return. One broken play where Frazier had to run around the field to find an open receiver. I honestly can't remember much of the last two touchdowns. They weren't as unorthodox as the first two.
I go back to this though, Bentonville had trouble in 2010 with the type of uptempo offense that Shiloh Christian ran. [/b] Northside runs a similar offense and gave Bentonville's defense all sorts of problems when they played. Bentonville eventually adjusted to it but the score ended up being 69-40. It was a game for about a half. Northside wasn't a good team. They gave alot of teams games in the first half and then ran out of gas in the second half because they didn't have anything in the trenches. They went 2-8 and were blown out by Pine Bluff.....a decent 6a.
Fayetteville runs a similar offense but they use multiple formation and arent as utempo as Shiloh and Shiloh ran their QB more Bentonville had trouble with them as well.
Now ranking Offense if anyone tells you Northside's spread offense was better than Shiloh Christian they don't know much.
It'd be harder to decide who had the better Offense between Fayetteville and Shiloh. They were even and receiver and running back. I'd take Frazier over Allen and I think i'd take Shiloh's line as well.
I'd think Bentonville would have a tougher time stopping Frazier from running then Trinity did. If the game did turn into a track meet I don't see Shiloh wearing down...especially when their offense is designed to run as many plays as possible.
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/m5WzjrnREd-YiQAcxJSkrA/herbstreit-texas-live-final--trinity-80,-shiloh-26.htm
I try to stay out of these type of conversations, but are you talking about the year we average 47 points, didn't score less than 30 that season, and our starters play only 3 complete games?? Really.... ::)
Yup that's also the same team that who's defense gave up 32 points on average when they played Fayetteville (both times), Harber (both times), Heritage and Northside. If you remove Heritage from that it jumps up to 33 points. The starters were in for a majority of the Fayetteville, Harber (not the 2nd one probably) and Northside games.
What year was that?
And if he would have read I said 3 complete games the starters played. and if you mean majority, you mean 2 quarters, oh wait that would constitute a scrimmage and we all know those don't mean anything.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 05:17:00 pm
Not clear on why someone who detests the 7A would know so much about them.
Who said I hated them? I don't hate the 7a. I was one of the people saying that Trinity would blow out Shiloh Christian. I was also on here say why Greenwood was the 4th best team in the state and not the 1st.
I really don't hate or detest anything. I do enjoy how sensitive some of you 7a folks get when you bring up the possibility of a small school being able to hang with a big school.
I didn't really care for the whole small school argument until 2009 when I saw Shiloh destroy Fayetteville in that 'scrimmage' . It was more like a preseason game. They had refs, played 4 quarters and Fayetteville didn't pull their starters until the 3 quarter (Shiloh was already up 35-3 at that point). Remember Starters vs Starters the whole 1st half.
I was sitting on Fayetteville side and saw and heard one Fayetteville's coaches just ripping into the defensive players and those kids were hacked after Shiloh scored that first drive. Shiloh had Brandon Allen running for his life. Shiloh punched Fayetteville in the mouth and dominated them in the trenches and there wasn't anything Fayetteville could do about it.
I typically don't put much of anything in preseason scrimmages but when one team beats another that bad it resonates. If it had been like most preseason scrimmages are.... run 20 plays here and switch I wouldn't of cared. But it was basically a preseason game. Some Florida team do those type of games. Heck they even showed highlights of it on the news that night..
99% of the small schools would get beaten by the mighty 7a schools. But there is usually 1 school in most years that can at the very least compete with the 'big boys' It was Shiloh Christian in 09 and 10, PA in 2011 and Greenwood last year. Neither of them would be the best in the state but they all make good arguments to be in that top 4 or 5 in their respective years.
Do you really consider the 6A a small school? Anyone who has much of an opinion on the matter thinks the 6A and 7A should be combined. GW is an exception anyway as they have one of the best programs in the state and close to 100 on their roster each year. You try to make it sound like the mighty 4A and 5A can put anyone on the field and beat the top 7A teams. Using a scrimmage as all of your basis for argument proves to me where you stand. You are one of the guys on here talking about the scrimmage that year while ignoring the lopsided score the year or two before in the opposite direction.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 06:26:05 pm
Do you really consider the 6A a small school? Anyone who has much of an opinion on the matter thinks the 6A and 7A should be combined. GW is an exception anyway as they have one of the best programs in the state and close to 100 on their roster each year. You try to make it sound like the mighty 4A and 5A can put anyone on the field and beat the top 7A teams. Using a scrimmage as all of your basis for argument proves to me where you stand. You are one of the guys on here talking about the scrimmage that year while ignoring the lopsided score the year or two before in the opposite direction.
Because those previous scores didn't matter. How did I make it sound like the any 4a and 5a team can beat a 7a team when i just said 99% of the smaller school would get killed by the 7a. Can you not read? The scrimmage was a back story on why I changed how I thought process of some small school teams.
I'd rather watch teams play and form my own opinion rather than look at an enrollment sheet and determine who's gonna win based off that.
I agree, using teams like El Dorado and Greenwood as an example of small schools is a little misleading.
Ok back to subject. Bentonville has earned their way to national consideration over the last several years. It is too bad they won't have one of their high powered teams from recent past but even with what they have will be a much better representation for Arkansas than ANY teams in any classification have been in the past.
Well Bidnesstron. I think you have hijacked this thread long enough. This is a useless conversation. No one will ever know, cause Bentonville did not play Shiloh in 2010. Also, the past is the past. Those teams Trinity, Shiloh and Bentonville teams from 2010 are gone forever. Life goes on. What Trinity did to Shiloh in 2010 is not relevant to what the outcome of this matchup between 2013 Trinity and 2013 Bentonville will be. Shiloh didn't even play Bentonville that year and there were no common opponents, were there? Even so, that was three years ago, so it holds no water for the present.
I kindly ask you. Either contribute meaningfully to this thread, or troll elsewhere. These 7Aers don't want to hear these insane babblings, and neither do us Trinity folks.
Good day to you sir.
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 05:17:00 pm
Not clear on why someone who detests the 7A would know so much about them.
Who said I hated them? I don't hate the 7a. I was one of the people saying that Trinity would blow out Shiloh Christian.
You are also the texican transplant homer that said Texas High would beat Bentonville.
Bentonville & Fayetteville are big bullies... Just split please
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 06:06:52 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 24, 2013, 05:55:58 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 24, 2013, 05:54:15 pm
Diehardfbfan, are you a female?
Yes and she is good folk. I think she is disappointed with the activity on the board.
A woman disappointed in activity and want to see drama? Nooooo neverrrrr.
Thanks Billyo!!!
I live for Drama....well mainly I Love football!:)
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 07:15:16 pm
Well Bidnesstron. I think you have hijacked this thread long enough. This is a useless conversation. No one will ever know, cause Bentonville did not play Shiloh in 2010. Also, the past is the past. Those teams Trinity, Shiloh and Bentonville teams from 2010 are gone forever. Life goes on. What Trinity did to Shiloh in 2010 is not relevant to what the outcome of this matchup between 2013 Trinity and 2013 Bentonville will be. Shiloh didn't even play Bentonville that year and there were no common opponents, were there? Even so, that was three years ago, so it holds no water for the present.
I kindly ask you. Either contribute meaningfully to this thread, or troll elsewhere. These 7Aers don't want to hear these insane babblings, and neither do us Trinity folks.
Good day to you sir.
Texas, Did you really just post that Businesstron hijacked this thread??? Lol!
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 07:15:16 pm
Well Bidnesstron. I think you have hijacked this thread long enough. This is a useless conversation. No one will ever know, cause Bentonville did not play Shiloh in 2010. Also, the past is the past. Those teams Trinity, Shiloh and Bentonville teams from 2010 are gone forever. Life goes on. What Trinity did to Shiloh in 2010 is not relevant to what the outcome of this matchup between 2013 Trinity and 2013 Bentonville will be. Shiloh didn't even play Bentonville that year and there were no common opponents, were there? Even so, that was three years ago, so it holds no water for the present.
I kindly ask you. Either contribute meaningfully to this thread, or troll elsewhere. These 7Aers don't want to hear these insane babblings, and neither do us Trinity folks.
Good day to you sir.
Though the thread does need to get back on subject I can't and won't (with all due respect) stop from posting whatever I feel needs to be posted. Especially if a response is aimed at me.
Yes please share more.....
"Texas high has good coaching, a combination of good size and speed that Bentonville hasn't seen in like 3 or 4 years. If Texas high finds a Qb and Bentonville's defense ain't up to stopping dude below (in the high lights) it will be a long night for Bentonville.... I won't go as to say one's going to blow out the other but this matchup favors Texas High...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcctkXmk-HU&feature=related "
30-7.
Quote from: phdefense on August 26, 2013, 07:33:58 pm
Quote from: businesstron on August 26, 2013, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 05:17:00 pm
Not clear on why someone who detests the 7A would know so much about them.
Who said I hated them? I don't hate the 7a. I was one of the people saying that Trinity would blow out Shiloh Christian.
You are also the texican transplant homer that said Texas High would beat Bentonville.
Yup and I was wrong and stuck around for the season. I also predicted how Texas High's wins and loses after that as well...and was right. I also predicted Longview to beat NLR last year after they were blown out the week before. I've probably been right more than I've been wrong.... Sooo I'll leave it there.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 09:05:51 pm
Yes please share more.....
"Texas high has good coaching, a combination of good size and speed that Bentonville hasn't seen in like 3 or 4 years. If Texas high finds a Qb and Bentonville's defense ain't up to stopping dude below (in the high lights) it will be a long night for Bentonville.... I won't go as to say one's going to blow out the other but this matchup favors Texas High...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcctkXmk-HU&feature=related "
30-7.
I wasn't exactly wrong. I said if Texas found a qb (they didn't) and if Bentonville didn't stop their running back( they did) It would be a long night. Saying a matchup favors somebody isn't exactly a bold prediction.
I give you credit you are consistent at downing the 7A and their top teams. You used to discredit Harber and moved quickly to Bentonville and Fayetteville when they became yearly powers. I am done.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 26, 2013, 09:20:41 pm
I give you credit you are consistent at downing the 7A and their top teams. You used to discredit Harber and moved quickly to Bentonville and Fayetteville when they became yearly powers. I am done.
Either you want to get back on subject or go all night cause we can. I've said good and bad things about just about every school in the conference. I always back it up though. I said Harber was overrater in 2010. What have they done since?
Trinity is a great team, and we are honored to be playing one of the best in Tx. This will be a great test for us to get ready for the conference schedule. How bout that for getting back on task.
Weve probably heard enough about Trinity at this point. How did Bentonville look in their scrimmage Saturday night?
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 10:08:17 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 24, 2013, 05:31:33 pm
Texas.....I think it is more maybe the suggestive nature of some of the comments I have read from Trinity Fans. Granted nothing directly has been stated against Coach Lunney and his staff its more the perception that you are basing the football game (that has yet to be played) all on the players. Its as if you are dismissing the game entirely...like you have it already won.
It has been my experience (which isn't a lot) that sometimes a game can come down to Coaching. I have witnessed it several times with Coach Rick Jones and Coach Lunney That is all. :) If I have misunderstood that then my apologies.
No apology desired or required. I am not offended and I hope you aren't either.
I kinda look at the coaches and staff as a wash. Both have great Head coaches and staffs. The glaring difference in this game is in the players themselves. An extreme example is the Trinity Shiloh game. Shiloh had one great offensive player and one great defensive linemen. Most of the rest of their players were solid, but only having less than 30 players, going both ways and playing against a team that deep, big, strong, powerful, fast, etc... I could have taken the place of Lineweaver and Landry or Parcels or Lombardi or Bear Bryant or Nick Sabin or even Lineweaver coaching against his own team for Shiloh. It wouldn't have made a difference. It may have been closer, but it still would have been ugly. In my years of watching football on many different levels, I have noticed that coaching usually comes into play with evenly matched teams. Trinity and Bentonville are much more evenly matched than Trinity and Shiloh, but still.
Don't get me wrong. I am not discounting Lunney and staff, nor do I think Trinity's "athlete advantage" (for lack of a better term) can't be overcome. It's just that I doubt either man will be "out coached". They are too good to be out coached. Like I said coaching is a wash. They are basically evenly matched coaching wise. That's why I am not focusing my discussion on the coaches. Also, there is only so much you can say about a coach, once you have established he is a great coach. Besides, there have been plenty of post from Trinity fans about Coach Lineweaver. Trinity 94 just posted a story from the DMN today.
I hope that clears things up.
Coaching a Wash? No.
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Quote from: elswagado on August 26, 2013, 10:35:46 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
We'll get back to the equal part in a bit...
FYI. I believe I have said this. I do not think the coaches can't make a difference. I just feel it won't come down to coaching. I have seen a lot of games, even in the NFL (the level in which there is the least separation of talent between rosters) in which coaching was not the deciding factor. The fact is, you can easily have games where you can't point at coaching as a
deciding factor in the game. Both coaching staffs had solid game plans. One team was just better on that day.
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
An opinion which you are certainly entitled to.
On what do you base your opinion?
n/m.
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Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
An opinion which you are certainly entitled to.
On what do you base your opinion?
What do you base your opinion on that he is not?
Good Evening Arkansas
I think the coaches are a wash. What I have heard from Lunney and his players on the postgame shows pretty much mimic Lineweaver. Both staffs have been in huge games.
One issue that has not been brought up is that Trinity does not travel well. Recently they have a stong history of traveling 3 or more hours and not really being "present" early in a game. I have seen them work their way back and sometimes win those games, but not always.
Vs Permian they lost 30-3 in 2007 in the regular season. They had 5 turnovers. That was in Odessa.
vs Converse Judson in 2005 they were down 14-0 in the state championship before winning 28-14. That was in Austin.
vs Austin Westlake they were down 10 or 13 to nothing before winning in overtime in the state championship game. That was in San Antonio.
Last year vs Bellevue. They were down 14-0 and lost in overtime 30-24. That was in Washington.
Don't be surprised if Trinity shows up and is not their normal selves for a while. I am pretty sure they will drive there the day of the game. Lineweaver does not seem to like hotels.
Thankyou
Good Evening Arkansas
A few questions for you.......
What type of offense does Bentonville typically run?
The sideline footage makes it hard too tell what is happening in the postgame videos. I know last year #29 was a major player for Bentonville.
What type of defense does Bentonville typically run?
Do they face Power I running teams much?
As you may know every Texas high school pretty much runs the spread, no matter how bad they are at it. Is Arkansas 7A the same way or are Bentonville's opponents more varied?
Will there be a site to view the Bentonville games in week 1 and 2?
Is there a location to view last years Bentonville games or get box scores? I cant find much of anything on youtube and I am not willing to purchase a subscription to the Arkansas newspaper.
Thankyou
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
An opinion which you are certainly entitled to.
On what do you base your opinion?
What do you base your opinion on that he is not?
The burden of proof is on the person who made the claim (i.e. - you).
The two coaches have very similar coaching records, statistically. In the last 19 years Lineweaver has played for 7 state titles and won 4 (losing one of those by missing a two point conversion when a kick would have sent it to OT). That is almost unparalleled in Texas. I would suggest that the difference is that in Arkansas, in any given year there are really only 4-6 teams a year who can realistically have a shot at the state championship, and more often than not Lunney has been the coach of one of those programs - you could very easily say he's had more resources available to him than any other coach in Arky. To get out of their own *region*, Trinity has to face the likes of Southlake Carroll, Desoto, Arlington Bowie, Arlington Martin, etc. Then they have to face the best from region two such as Allen, Dallas Skyline, the Woodlands. If they get that far they then have to beat the best team that Houston/SA has to offer.
I'm not suggesting that Lineweaver has an advantage over Lunney - I think highly of both of them - but I'm not sure it's objectively defensible to suggest that anyone has an advantage over Lineweaver, either. Both are at programs where they should win consistently and they have both consistently done it.
The proof in the pudding is usually the state of a program before and after a coaches arrival. Bennie was not even a mediocre program before Lunney and now they are on the national stage. How was Trinity before their coaches arrival?
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The proof in the pudding is usually the state of a program before and after a coaches arrival. Bennie was not even a mediocre program before Lunney and now they are on the national stage. How was Trinity before their coaches arrival?
I don't have reference material in front of me to cite records, but they were not a Texas power to say the least. Now they're a top 3 program in the state.
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 27, 2013, 09:07:50 am
The proof in the pudding is usually the state of a program before and after a coaches arrival. Bennie was not even a mediocre program before Lunney and now they are on the national stage. How was Trinity before their coaches arrival?
I don't have reference material in front of me to cite records, but they were not a Texas power to say the least. Now they're a top 3 program in the state.
That's what I was told years ago about Trinity, Actually Bentonville and Trinity are very similar stories, Both got a great coach and they both have taken their teams to the highest level in their states.
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Good Evening Arkansas
A few questions for you.......
What type of offense does Bentonville typically run?
The sideline footage makes it hard too tell what is happening in the postgame videos. I know last year #29 was a major player for Bentonville.
Mostly Pistol single back behind the QB. I guess their base would be 3 WR and 1 TE but they do use 4 WR and 2 TE sets. Most years they can pass the ball enough to make you plan for it. In their great years when they had Dallas at QB they threw alot more. They have a good WR and highly regarded TE this year. The running back is new but he played some last year. Some folks said he may be a future D1 prospect.
What type of defense does Bentonville typically run?
3-4
Do they face Power I running teams much?
Somewhat.. Rockhurst runs alot of power I stuff...more offset I I think. South Panola may of done some too. Southside and Fayetteville run it a little bit as well. Fayetteville looks odd when they run it though. They don't get much out of it when they do. When they played North Little Rock a couple of years ago they may of ran some too.
As you may know every Texas high school pretty much runs the spread, no matter how bad they are at it. Is Arkansas 7A the same way or are Bentonville's opponents more varied?
More or less yeah. You do have some Wing T and dead T teams though (Rogers, Cabot and West Memphis). West Memphis is the only one that is decent. The top teams this year (Harber, Southside, Fayetteville, and North Little Rock) all run a lot of pistol. Fayetteville and Southside will line up in the Shotgun Spread thogh too. Southside will run zone read from it and Fayetteville will try to pass more out of it.
Will there be a site to view the Bentonville games in week 1 and 2?
I'm not sure about Rockhurst but Broken Arrow's site may stream their game. The did last year. http://brokenarrowtigers.tv/
Is there a location to view last years Bentonville games or get box scores? I cant find much of anything on youtube and I am not willing to purchase a subscription to the Arkansas newspaper.
They used to have a website last year where they streamed their post game show (alot of them are on youtube now). I'm not sure what happened to that though. You could try Hudl they kept that updated last year.
Thankyou
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Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 27, 2013, 09:07:50 am
The proof in the pudding is usually the state of a program before and after a coaches arrival. Bennie was not even a mediocre program before Lunney and now they are on the national stage. How was Trinity before their coaches arrival?
I don't have reference material in front of me to cite records, but they were not a Texas power to say the least. Now they're a top 3 program in the state.
They were a good team but I think they may of went up and down. We played them in the second round of the playoffs in 1999 and won. Lineweaver took them to greatness though.
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The proof in the pudding is usually the state of a program before and after a coaches arrival. Bennie was not even a mediocre program before Lunney and now they are on the national stage. How was Trinity before their coaches arrival?
In short, the five years or so leading up to Lineweaver, Trinity was hit and miss making the playoffs. When they were in the PO's, it was one and done.
Bentonville's games will be streamed live at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com.
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Bentonville's games will be streamed live at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com.
Did they do that last year?
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Bentonville's games will be streamed live at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com.
Did they do that last year?
No. This will be the first year. KURM is no longer carrying the radio broadcast.
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Bentonville's games will be streamed live at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com.
Did they do that last year?
No. This will be the first year. KURM is no longer carrying the radio broadcast.
Any radio?
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Bentonville's games will be streamed live at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com.
Did they do that last year?
No. This will be the first year. KURM is no longer carrying the radio broadcast.
Any radio?
Yes, radio broadcast is with a new station. I'll find out more info about that. It's a NW Arkansas ESPN affiliate.
Good Afternoon Arkansas
BUSINESSTRON...thankyou for the information.
Like I said earlier, Trinity runs the Power I. Alot of 3 TE. The last 2 years the WR has been there simply to look nice. They block too. In a very rare occasion they will break out the 5 Wide.
On Defense they run a 3-4. Pretty much every down except for goal line. The linemen usually swallow up the o-line all by themselves. For a while now, they have been pretty lucky in that they can rely on their linebackers to not need to add a 5th DB.
At this point anything that is not some form of the spread will be a new challenge for Trinity on defense. Conversely I think that has helped Trinty win games. We play alot of teams that dont even know what a fullback or tight end is.
Thankyou
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Good Afternoon Arkansas
BUSINESSTRON...thankyou for the information.
Like I said earlier, Trinity runs the Power I. Alot of 3 TE. The last 2 years the WR has been there simply to look nice. They block too. In a very rare occasion they will break out the 5 Wide.
On Defense they run a 3-4. Pretty much every down except for goal line. The linemen usually swallow up the o-line all by themselves. For a while now, they have been pretty lucky in that they can rely on their linebackers to not need to add a 5th DB.
At this point anything that is not some form of the spread will be a new challenge for Trinity on defense. Conversely I think that has helped Trinty win games. We play alot of teams that dont even know what a fullback or tight end is.
Thankyou
We do have a 6' 6" TE that has committed to Arkansas, got to get him the ball or it means nothing.
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Good Afternoon Arkansas
BUSINESSTRON...thankyou for the information.
Like I said earlier, Trinity runs the Power I. Alot of 3 TE. The last 2 years the WR has been there simply to look nice. They block too. In a very rare occasion they will break out the 5 Wide.
On Defense they run a 3-4. Pretty much every down except for goal line. The linemen usually swallow up the o-line all by themselves. For a while now, they have been pretty lucky in that they can rely on their linebackers to not need to add a 5th DB.
At this point anything that is not some form of the spread will be a new challenge for Trinity on defense. Conversely I think that has helped Trinty win games. We play alot of teams that dont even know what a fullback or tight end is.
Thankyou
We do have a 6' 6" TE that has committed to Arkansas, got to get him the ball or it means nothing.
Blocking.
Even a mediocre QB can pass to a wide open big TE over the middle. Shouldn't be a problem for you.
Good evening Arkansas
Billy62.......Jack Kraus will be interesting to watch. I don't think I have ever seen Trinity play against a 6-6 TE. We only have one tall linebacker and he is an Inside and only 6-2.
Texas.......Don't be so sure about that mediocre quarterback. We have had some that couldn't hit jack squat. I pray we don't have one this year.
Thnakyou
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 27, 2013, 08:03:23 pm
Good evening Arkansas
Billy62.......Jack Kraus will be interesting to watch. I don't think I have ever seen Trinity play against a 6-6 TE. We only have one tall linebacker and he is an Inside and only 6-2.
Texas.......Don't be so sure about that mediocre quarterback. We have had some that couldn't hit jack squat. I pray we don't have one this year.
Thnakyou
I hear ya, but even he could find Taylor from time to time.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 27, 2013, 08:03:23 pm
Good evening Arkansas
Billy62.......Jack Kraus will be interesting to watch. I don't think I have ever seen Trinity play against a 6-6 TE. We only have one tall linebacker and he is an Inside and only 6-2.
Texas.......Don't be so sure about that mediocre quarterback. We have had some that couldn't hit jack squat. I pray we don't have one this year.
Thnakyou
We don't want to discuss quarterbacks!!
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 27, 2013, 08:03:23 pm
I don't think I have ever seen Trinity play against a 6-6 TE.
Michigan TE signee Chris Barnett @ LDBell in 2010 (same year Trinity played Shiloh). He caught 3 for 57.
Good Afternoon Arkansas
I remember Chris Barnett. That kid was also a Trojan for a week or so. He was also a Razorback and a Wolverine and almost went to UMass and then apparently ended up at Southern Missouri. Possibly switched to Middle Linebacker as well. I forget which Mesquite high school he was at prior to his tour around HEB.
His story was second only to that Oklahoma kid who tried to go to Southlake. I dont remember where he ended up or if he even made it to Arizona. I assume not.
Thankyou
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
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Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
Lunney being able to do more with less.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 28, 2013, 01:46:22 pm
Good Afternoon Arkansas
I remember Chris Barnett. That kid was also a Trojan for a week or so. He was also a Razorback and a Wolverine and almost went to UMass and then apparently ended up at Southern Missouri. Possibly switched to Middle Linebacker as well. I forget which Mesquite high school he was at prior to his tour around HEB.
His story was second only to that Oklahoma kid who tried to go to Southlake. I dont remember where he ended up or if he even made it to Arizona. I assume not.
Thankyou
UNT 94
It was Dallas A. Maceo Smith where his dad coaches.
Thank You
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lineweaver is just as good a coach as Barry Lunney, Barry has taken teams to the Title game 9 times I believe and has Six state Titles with two different schools at the highest classification in Arkansas. He has taken Bentonville to the title game 4 of the last 5 years. Both have shown they are great coaches.
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
And the flip side of that, how has he done anything with "less". He coaches the biggest, richest school in the state. He has every advantage possible in Arkansas high school football.
Like most successful people Lunney saw an opportunity for long term success and jumped on it. Football was practically dead in Central Arkansas the population boom was starting in NW Arkansas. The balance of power in Arkansas high school sports was about to make a seismic shift. And with Rogers and Springdale splitting the obvious winners were going to be BV and Fayville. I'm sure BV made the best offer and the rest is history. But lets be honest. There are any number of high school football coaches in Arkansas who could step into the BV job and be successful.
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
And the flip side of that, how has he done anything with "less". He coaches the biggest, richest school in the state. He has every advantage possible in Arkansas high school football.
Like most successful people Lunney saw an opportunity for long term success and jumped on it. Football was practically dead in Central Arkansas the population boom was starting in NW Arkansas. The balance of power in Arkansas high school sports was about to make a seismic shift. And with Rogers and Springdale splitting the obvious winners were going to be BV and Fayville. I'm sure BV made the best offer and the rest is history. But lets be honest. There are any number of high school football coaches in Arkansas who could step into the BV job and be successful.
Not like what Lunney did, sure there are coaches that could be successful at Bentonville. But Lunney actually built a program from the 8th grade up. That could fall apart in a heartbeat with a new coach.
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
Lunney being able to do more with less.
Neither has had to really deal with less have they? I can't recall how Southside was when Lunney won those title if it is similar to what they are now that's pretty good compared to the rest of 7a and 6a. At Bentonville Lunney has everything he needs.
Lineweaver also has a ton of talent to work with and Trinity has always had good resources. Those tongins were there before he got there.
I like both coaches but If i had to choose one it'd be Lineweaver. When SLC had their streak Lineweaver was one of the few schools that came close to ending it. He did it slowing down SLC's offense (something very few teams were able to do in 5 or 6 years). They lost the game but he earned alot of respect from me for that (he already had my respect before that though).
Also Lineweaver's team consistently get better as the year progresses. Point in case the games against Permian in 2007( I think). They went out to Odessa with a young team and were beaten 31-3 in preseason then they came back in the play offs and soundly beat them. Last year's team is a good example too. They been able to do it despite playing in a relatively easy district. Plus Region 1 is one of the toughest regions in the nation is not the toughest. The 5a playoffs are no joke 6 games to win a state title.
Not to take from anything Lunney though. Before he got to Bentonville their team was a joked. Their varsity looked like JV players and played like it too. After 2 or 3 years of Lunney they looked like a real team. The only thing is Bentonville the last couple of years hasn't finished. Especially last year it seemed like the South Panola win was their highest point in the season.
Basically who has the better resume.
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Lunney has won as many State Championships as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Kudos on this gem. Been reading here long enough to know your game, bait. :)
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
You might get one of the others, not me.
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
Lunney being able to do more with less.
Neither has had to really deal with less have they? I can't recall how Southside was when Lunney won those title if it is similar to what they are now that's pretty good compared to the rest of 7a and 6a. At Bentonville Lunney has everything he needs.
Lineweaver also has a ton of talent to work with and Trinity has always had good resources. Those tongins were there before he got there.
I like both coaches but If i had to choose one it'd be Lineweaver. When SLC had their streak Lineweaver was one of the few schools that came close to ending it. He did it slowing down SLC's offense (something very few teams were able to do in 5 or 6 years). They lost the game but he earned alot of respect from me for that (he already had my respect before that though).
Also Lineweaver's team consistently get better as the year progresses. Point in case the games against Permian in 2007( I think). They went out to Odessa with a young team and were beaten 31-3 in preseason then they came back in the play offs and soundly beat them. Last year's team is a good example too. They been able to do it despite playing in a relatively easy district. Plus Region 1 is one of the toughest regions in the nation is not the toughest. The 5a playoffs are no joke 6 games to win a state title.
Not to take from anything Lunney though. Before he got to Bentonville their team was a joked. Their varsity looked like JV players and played like it too. After 2 or 3 years of Lunney they looked like a real team. The only thing is Bentonville the last couple of years hasn't finished. Especially last year it seemed like the South Panola win was their highest point in the season.
Basically who has the better resume.
Barry Lunney!
How many titles has Lunney played for/won? He used to have a webpage but I can't find it anymore.
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I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
Lunney being able to do more with less.
Neither has had to really deal with less have they? I can't recall how Southside was when Lunney won those title if it is similar to what they are now that's pretty good compared to the rest of 7a and 6a. At Bentonville Lunney has everything he needs.
Lineweaver also has a ton of talent to work with and Trinity has always had good resources. Those tongins were there before he got there.
I like both coaches but If i had to choose one it'd be Lineweaver. When SLC had their streak Lineweaver was one of the few schools that came close to ending it. He did it slowing down SLC's offense (something very few teams were able to do in 5 or 6 years). They lost the game but he earned alot of respect from me for that (he already had my respect before that though).
Also Lineweaver's team consistently get better as the year progresses. Point in case the games against Permian in 2007( I think). They went out to Odessa with a young team and were beaten 31-3 in preseason then they came back in the play offs and soundly beat them. Last year's team is a good example too. They been able to do it despite playing in a relatively easy district. Plus Region 1 is one of the toughest regions in the nation is not the toughest. The 5a playoffs are no joke 6 games to win a state title.
Not to take from anything Lunney though. Before he got to Bentonville their team was a joked. Their varsity looked like JV players and played like it too. After 2 or 3 years of Lunney they looked like a real team. The only thing is Bentonville the last couple of years hasn't finished. Especially last year it seemed like the South Panola win was their highest point in the season.
Basically who has the better resume.
In the 5 years before Barry Lunney got to Bentonville, they averaged 3.8 wins per season...
Since he got there, they have averaged 10.5 wins per season....
I've got two large pepperoni pizzas from Gino's Pizza that Linkwinder can touch that....
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:53:54 pm
How many titles has Lunney played for/won? He used to have a webpage but I can't find it anymore.
I think he has coached teams to 9 championship games and has won SIX of them in the largest classification in Arkansas. He has Taken Bentonville to 4 of the last 5 Title games ( 2-2)
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:53:54 pm
How many titles has Lunney played for/won? He used to have a webpage but I can't find it anymore.
DelTacogado....I've already done the math for you in my educational post....
Barry Legend has won 7 State Championships in the 12 State Championship games that he has played in....
Your boy can't swing with that....c'mon..!!
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Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:53:54 pm
How many titles has Lunney played for/won? He used to have a webpage but I can't find it anymore.
DelTacogado....I've already done the math for you in my educational post....
Barry Legend has won 7 State Championships in the 12 State Championship games that he has played in....
Your boy can't swing with that....c'mon..!!
Bait, that don't sound right. 4 with SS and 2 with Bennie. Where are you getting these numbers?
Are you confusing coached in and played in and putting them together?
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 03:59:03 pm
I think he has coached teams to 9 championship games and has won SIX of them in the largest classification in Arkansas. He has Taken Bentonville to 4 of the last 5 Title games ( 2-2)
In AR 7A football how many teams would you say are serious title contenders on an annual basis - 3-5 depending on the year, with usually 2-3 appearing a cut above and another 2-3 with a chance to play spoiler?
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:04:16 pm
Bait, that don't sound right. 4 with SS and 2 with Bennie. Where are you getting these numbers?
Are you confusing coached in and played in and putting them together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:45:43 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 03:59:03 pm
I think he has coached teams to 9 championship games and has won SIX of them in the largest classification in Arkansas. He has Taken Bentonville to 4 of the last 5 Title games ( 2-2)
In AR 7A football how many teams would you say are serious title contenders on an annual basis - 3-5 depending on the year, with usually 2-3 appearing a cut above and another 2-3 with a chance to play spoiler?
An now the apologetics begin.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 03:59:03 pm
I think he has coached teams to 9 championship games and has won SIX of them in the largest classification in Arkansas. He has Taken Bentonville to 4 of the last 5 Title games ( 2-2)
In AR 7A football how many teams would you say are serious title contenders on an annual basis - 3-5 depending on the year, with usually 2-3 appearing a cut above and another 2-3 with a chance to play spoiler?
Let me tell you how competitive it is in the 7A....25% of the championships have been won by teams that were the 4 seed out of their division....
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Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:45:43 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
Says who..??..??
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 04:09:37 pmAn now the apologetics begin.
Well, Lunney has more titles than Tom Landry, also. Let's talk apples-to-apples if we're going to talk "more". I don't think it's outrageous or unfair to suggest that there are inherent differences in the positions these coaches are in.
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 04:07:02 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:04:16 pm
Bait, that don't sound right. 4 with SS and 2 with Bennie. Where are you getting these numbers?
Are you confusing coached in and played in and putting them together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Don't listen to Billyo...he is/was a carpetbagger from the north that came and went like a fart in the wind....
I've known Barry Lunney since 1975.....I know what I am talking about....Billyo is just trying to taint Barry's time at Southside....
Billyo doesn't own a recruiting service....I do....
Billyo can't make over easy eggs....I can....
Billyo can't tell you what's in Big Mac sauce....I can....
Billyo can't make a Nacho Bell Grande correctly....I can....
Billyo can't fix a pair of $300 in-line skates....I can....
Billyo can't coach up 450 kids at an all-nite skate in the finer points of how to play the "Sheriff's Game"....I can...
Billyo can't make you an order of Banana Split Pancakes....I can....
So, why in the world would anyone listen to Billyo over me..??..??
Actually Texas Boys the old 5A west and the 7A west conference for many years was ranked in the top 15-20 toughest conferences in the country. the district Trinity plays in was never near that.
Like Bait said finish #4 in the 7A West and you can still win the Championship, Play in the 7A central and well, as history as shown you will NEVER get to the title game. To win a title in 7A Arkansas it's like fighting your brothers over and over again.
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 04:09:37 pmAn now the apologetics begin.
Well, Lunney has more titles than Tom Landry, also.
Well, that would make Barry better than him too....
I'm glad that you are finally coming to your senses...
Put Barry Lunney and Rick Jones on the same sideline and they would probably whip the Cowboys too...
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 04:30:35 pmPut Barry Lunney and Rick Jones on the same sideline and they would probably whip the Cowboys too...
Gonna take more than whipping them to impress me.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:27:51 pm
Actually Texas Boys the old 5A west and the 7A west conference for many years was ranked in the top 15-20 toughest conferences in the country. the district Trinity plays in was never near that.
But the Region they play in is. Most regard Region 1 as the toughest Region in the country. You have to play 4 games JUST to reach the regional final in Texas...at neutral sites you could be playing in Arlington one week and in El Paso the next then in Waco the next week. Bentonville nowadays just has to win two home games (with 1 maybe being a test) and they are in the state final.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:07:56 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Bait, I will have to argue the rich kids reference you made in your post. I can confidently say that the majority (high majority) of actual players come from families that are middle class income, and I don't mean upper middle class either. The athletic program is heavily supported by the community that does lean towards the upper income demographic. Most financial supporters no longer have kids in school. All fundraising goes to the Booster Club which distributes dollars to ALL sports. Surprisingly, football is close to the bottom of the list in terms of actual money received. The facilities were paid for through a bond issue when they were built.
I do see Lunney doing more with less. Just look at the number of players that have gone on the play D1 football. Not many. Most of the kids are slightly above average athletes and higher than average in academics. Lunney is a great motivator, and the players (and the coaching staff) believe in what he's selling. I'm sure that was his recipe for success at Southside.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 04:26:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 04:07:02 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:04:16 pm
Bait, that don't sound right. 4 with SS and 2 with Bennie. Where are you getting these numbers?
Are you confusing coached in and played in and putting them together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Don't listen to Billyo...he is/was a carpetbagger from the north that came and went like a fart in the wind....
I've known Barry Lunney since 1975.....I know what I am talking about....Billyo is just trying to taint Barry's time at Southside....
Billyo doesn't own a recruiting service....I do....
Billyo can't make over easy eggs....I can....
Billyo can't tell you what's in Big Mac sauce....I can....
Billyo can't make a Nacho Bell Grande correctly....I can....
Billyo can't fix a pair of $300 in-line skates....I can....
Billyo can't coach up 450 kids at an all-nite skate in the finer points of how to play the "Sheriff's Game"....I can...
Billyo can't make you an order of Banana Split Pancakes....I can....
So, why in the world would anyone listen to Billyo over me..??..??
Jeez Bait, sounds like I got some things to work on! BTW: I do no skates no mo!
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 04:33:50 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 04:30:35 pmPut Barry Lunney and Rick Jones on the same sideline and they would probably whip the Cowboys too...
Gonna take more than whipping them to impress me.
I am a Cowboy fan, and I have to agree with your statement...
frickin' Tony Romo
Quote from: businesstron on August 28, 2013, 04:34:40 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:27:51 pm
Actually Texas Boys the old 5A west and the 7A west conference for many years was ranked in the top 15-20 toughest conferences in the country. the district Trinity plays in was never near that.
But the Region they play in is. Most regard Region 1 as the toughest Region in the country. You have to play 4 games JUST to reach the regional final in Texas...at neutral sites you could be playing in Arlington one week and in El Paso the next then in Waco the next week. Bentonville nowadays just has to win two home games (with 1 maybe being a test) and they are in the state final.
I understand how it works in Texas, but thanks. I know the difference between Texas playoffs and Arkansas, thanks again. And yes Arkansas Playoff system is a joke and I have posted that for years on here. But if you have to play 2 different teams twice in one year every year that are good crazy things can happen.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 04:38:37 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 04:33:50 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 04:30:35 pmPut Barry Lunney and Rick Jones on the same sideline and they would probably whip the Cowboys too...
Gonna take more than whipping them to impress me.
I am a Cowboy fan, and I have to agree with your statement...frickin' Tony Romo
Baitshop, on first glance I thought you typed: "Put Barry Lunney and
Rick James on the same sideline and they would probably whip the Cowboys too..."
(I know it'd be a bit difficult now as the latter (unsurprisingly) no longer on this earth, but wild mental image nonetheless. :o)
Super Freak.
Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 28, 2013, 04:36:39 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Bait, I will have to argue the rich kids reference you made in your post. I can confidently say that the majority (high majority) of actual players come from families that are middle class income, and I don't mean upper middle class either. The athletic program is heavily supported by the community that does lean towards the upper income demographic. Most financial supporters no longer have kids in school. All fundraising goes to the Booster Club which distributes dollars to ALL sports. Surprisingly, football is close to the bottom of the list in terms of actual money received. The facilities were paid for through a bond issue when they were built.
I do see Lunney doing more with less. Just look at the number of players that have gone on the play D1 football. Not many. Most of the kids are slightly above average athletes and higher than average in academics. Lunney is a great motivator, and the players (and the coaching staff) believe in what he's selling. I'm sure that was his recipe for success at Southside.
You tell me.....
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bentonville-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fort-Smith-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fayetteville-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/income/income-Springdale-Arkansas.html
Surprisingly, Springdale is 2nd....I bet if you check just the HarBer average household incomes it would prove that John Tyson knew what he was doing when he drew those lines...
Good Evening Arkansas
So is a household income of 54,000 considered an area that produces rich kids? Just wondering because I just found out that I might be really really really wealthy!
Thankyou
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 28, 2013, 09:04:18 pm
Good Evening Arkansas
So is a household income of 54,000 considered an area that produces rich kids? Just wondering because I just found out that I might be really really really wealthy!
Thankyou
I lived in Tarrant County for 13 years....and I have lived in Fort Smith for 19 years....$45000 in Fort Smith buys you what $55000 will buy you in HEB....
Good evening
I was in San Francisco working a few months ago. I told the guys working for me how much I made and I will never forget the looks on their faces. They could not believe that a person could live on such little income. Then I told them that we had a 1500 sq/ft house with a 900 sq/ft shop and a car and two trucks. Seriously these guys acted like I was lying. They were sure no one could live like that making as much as my wife and I do.
I told them that not everything is like California.
Thankyou
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Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 28, 2013, 02:02:11 pm
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Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Yes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
What do you base that on?
Lunney being able to do more with less.
And what do you know about Lineweaver?
Quote from: GrizzlyBaseball on August 28, 2013, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:07:56 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
And the flip side of that, how has he done anything with "less". He coaches the biggest, richest school in the state. He has every advantage possible in Arkansas high school football.
Like most successful people Lunney saw an opportunity for long term success and jumped on it. Football was practically dead in Central Arkansas the population boom was starting in NW Arkansas. The balance of power in Arkansas high school sports was about to make a seismic shift. And with Rogers and Springdale splitting the obvious winners were going to be BV and Fayville. I'm sure BV made the best offer and the rest is history. But lets be honest. There are any number of high school football coaches in Arkansas who could step into the BV job and be successful.
Spot on!!!
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:07:56 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Good luck with all that.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 07:27:05 pm
Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 28, 2013, 04:36:39 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:07:56 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Bait, I will have to argue the rich kids reference you made in your post. I can confidently say that the majority (high majority) of actual players come from families that are middle class income, and I don't mean upper middle class either. The athletic program is heavily supported by the community that does lean towards the upper income demographic. Most financial supporters no longer have kids in school. All fundraising goes to the Booster Club which distributes dollars to ALL sports. Surprisingly, football is close to the bottom of the list in terms of actual money received. The facilities were paid for through a bond issue when they were built.
I do see Lunney doing more with less. Just look at the number of players that have gone on the play D1 football. Not many. Most of the kids are slightly above average athletes and higher than average in academics. Lunney is a great motivator, and the players (and the coaching staff) believe in what he's selling. I'm sure that was his recipe for success at Southside.
You tell me.....
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bentonville-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fort-Smith-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fayetteville-Arkansas.html
http://www.city-data.com/income/income-Springdale-Arkansas.html
Surprisingly, Springdale is 2nd....I bet if you check just the HarBer average household incomes it would prove that John Tyson knew what he was doing when he drew those lines...
You missed the point Bait. Your statistic, while revealing, is a median income for the city of Bentonville. You referred to the "rich kids". My point was that it's not the players families that are the wealthy (I'm sure there are a few). I've known many of these kids for years and know their parents. That is not where the money is. I'm not disagreeing about the community support and facilities, etc. But most of these boys come from hard working middle class homes. The "rich kids" are involved in the country club sports, golf, tennis and swimming.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 28, 2013, 10:04:17 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:07:56 pm
Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Good luck with all that.
No luck needed....statistically Linkletter ain't in Lunney's league...
The facts speak for themselves....and are undeniable...
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Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:45:43 pm
Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
You aren't going to convince them of that.
Don't expect them to be convinced....I lived in Texas for several years....you can't talk sense to folks that don't have any...
Doesn't mean I'm not right....
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:27:51 pm
Actually Texas Boys the old 5A west and the 7A west conference for many years was ranked in the top 15-20 toughest conferences in the country. the district Trinity plays in was never near that.
Like Bait said finish #4 in the 7A West and you can still win the Championship, Play in the 7A central and well, as history as shown you will NEVER get to the title game. To win a title in 7A Arkansas it's like fighting your brothers over and over again.
The road to the championship in the playoffs is tougher hands down. Nobody has bragged about the district being better.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 28, 2013, 04:27:51 pm
Actually Texas Boys the old 5A west and the 7A west conference for many years was ranked in the top 15-20 toughest conferences in the country. the district Trinity plays in was never near that.
But the Region they play in is. Most regard Region 1 as the toughest Region in the country. You have to play 4 games JUST to reach the regional final in Texas...at neutral sites you could be playing in Arlington one week and in El Paso the next then in Waco the next week. Bentonville nowadays just has to win two home games (with 1 maybe being a test) and they are in the state final.
I understand how it works in Texas, but thanks. I know the difference between Texas playoffs and Arkansas, thanks again. And yes Arkansas Playoff system is a joke and I have posted that for years on here. But if you have to play 2 different teams twice in one year every year that are good crazy things can happen.
So that can't happen in Texas too?
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Quote from: phdefense on August 28, 2013, 02:17:03 pmLunney being able to do more with less.
What, exactly, has Lunney done "more" of than Lineweaver? Lineweaver has played for a state championship 7 of his last 19 years in Texas and won 2 more as OC @ Southlake Carroll. His resume is up there with anyone's.
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Good luck with all that.
No luck needed....statistically Linkletter ain't in Lunney's league...
The facts speak for themselves....and are undeniable...
Wrong again.
Statistically, your point cannot be proven....
As I have said, in Week 3 in Bentonville, your boy will be no better than the second best coach on the field....as a matter of fact, if you throw in Bennie's defensive coordinator Robbie Jones, Loveflitter may be #3...
I must remind you that it is the Arkansas posters that are claiming Lunney > Lineweaver. I said coaching was basically a wash.
Lineweaver was Head Coach of the Trinity JV in the late '70s-early '80s. His teams usually went 10-0.
He then went to Southlake Carroll (late '80s-early '90s) and was OC where they won two titles. He left SLC for Commerce in 1993.
Lineweaver turned 3A Commerce into title contenders virtually over night. From a sometimes playoff team always getting hammered in the first round when they did make the playoffs, to a team that played in three state title games in the seven years he coached there. A few those games Commerce got drilled in (56-0 was one) before Lineweaver got there was at the hands of Southlake Carroll and OC Lineweaver. Commerce was a small town, average income school with average athletes, no real success in program history prior to Lineweaver getting there. Commerce played in three title games (1995, 1997 & 1999), all against Sealy. Sealy was the first team in state history to win four consecutive State titles (1994-1997) Commerce won State in 1999, finally beating Sealy. He left for Trinity in 2000. Commerce ain't done nothin' since he left BTW.
Then there was Trinity. 2000-present. Three state titles, One State runner up. Two Semi-Finals. Etc... Trinity has won 15 consecutive District titles, the first two before Lineweaver got there. Three bad seasons at Trinity. 2000, 2002-2003 all first round losses to Arlington Lamar. Every other season Trinity has been to at least round three. From 2004-2010 Lineweavers Trinity teams won state or lost to the eventual state champions. When you include 2001, that is seven out of nine years.
In 20 seasons, Lineweavers teams...
have won their district all 20 seasons
have been to the playoffs all 20 seasons
have lost to the eventual state champion five times
have played in seven state title games
have won four state titles
Lineweaver's overall career record is
236-38-2 .855 win %
83-14-2 at Commerce in seven seasons .838 win %
153-24 at Trinity in thirteen seasons .864 win %
Lineweaver's career playoff record is
64-16 .800 win %
25-6 at Commerce .806 win %
39-10 at Trinity .795 win %
That's a... ...that's pretty good. Still, I think both coaches are equally brilliant.
Quote from: Texas on August 28, 2013, 11:00:37 pm
I must remind you that it is the Arkansas posters that are claiming Lunney > Lineweaver. I said coaching was basically a wash.
Lineweaver was Head Coach of the Trinity JV in the late '70s-early '80s. His teams usually went 10-0.
He then went to Southlake Carroll (late '80s-early '90s) and was OC where they won two titles. He left SLC for Commerce in 1993.
Lineweaver turned 3A Commerce into title contenders virtually over night. From a sometimes playoff team always getting hammered in the first round when they did make the playoffs, to a team that played in three state title games in the seven years he coached there. A few those games Commerce got drilled in (56-0 was one) before Lineweaver got there was at the hands of Southlake Carroll and OC Lineweaver. Commerce was a small town, average income school with average athletes, no real success in program history prior to Lineweaver getting there. Commerce played in three title games (1995, 1997 & 1999), all against Sealy. Sealy was the first team in state history to win four consecutive State titles (1994-1997) Commerce won State in 1999, finally beating Sealy. He left for Trinity in 2000. Commerce ain't done nothin' since he left BTW.
Then there was Trinity. 2000-present. Three state titles, One State runner up. Two Semi-Finals. Etc... Trinity has won 15 consecutive District titles, the first two before Lineweaver got there. Three bad seasons at Trinity. 2000, 2002-2003 all first round losses to Arlington Lamar. Every other season Trinity has been to at least round three. From 2004-2010 Lineweavers Trinity teams won state or lost to the eventual state champions. When you include 2001, that is seven out of nine years.
In 19 seasons, Lineweavers teams...
have won their district all 19 seasons
have been to the playoffs all 19 seasons
have lost to the eventual state champion five times
have played in seven state title games
have won four state titles
Lineweaver's overall career record is
236-38-2 .855 win %
83-14-2 at Commerce in seven seasons .838 win %
153-24 at Trinity in thirteen seasons .864 win %
Lineweaver's career playoff record is
64-16 .800 win %
25-6 at Commerce .806 win %
39-10 at Trinity .795 win %
That's a... ...that's pretty good. Still, I think both coaches are equally brilliant.
So we're talking JV records now? Okay I'll play along. Lunney's JV record... undefeated in 6 years.
From this morning's FW Star Telegram:
Coach: Steve Lineweaver
Last season: 10-3 (7-0 in District 6-5A), lost to Southlake Carroll in the regional round of the 5A Division I playoffs
Key players: DB Dany Mulanga (6-4, 200); OL Lem Galeai (6-5, 309); DL Hafoka Olie (6-0, 280); RB Homer Babcock (5-8, 185); RB Tyler Natee (6-0, 210); RB Tony Franklin (5-8, 160); QB Deion Guignard (6-2, 192); QB Christian Hammack (5-11, 163)
The big picture: Another season, same Trinity program. As always, the Trojans will be strong in the trenches, boasting an offensive line that averages 300 pounds. Trinity's line is the strength of the defense, according to Lineweaver, who described the unit as "grown men." Again, as always, the running game will be key in Trinity's offensive success, and the Trojans might have more depth at the running back position than they have in recent seasons. Homer Babcock returns after leading Trinity in rushing last season with 719 yards and 10 touchdowns. Behind him is the speedy Tony Franklin, who will add 4.2 speed to Babcock's balanced attack. Franklin was third in rushing last season with 435 yards and five scores. Quarterback is still a toss-up between seniors Christian Hammack and Deion Guignard, but look for Guignard to also return kicks and get some snaps at wide receiver, not unlike former Trojans and current TCU standout Brandon Carter. Trinity couldn't find a dance partner for Zero Week and is forced to take its bye while the majority of the state kicks off the season this weekend. However, Lineweaver said it gives his team more time to pay attention to detail and work on solid fundamentals before facing perennial national powerhouse Jenks (Okla.) at Southlake's Dragon Stadium. The team has been drawn together by the deaths of former players Polo Manukainiu and Gaius Vaenuku in a mid-summer car accident, Lineweaver said.
Quotable: "It was a surreal experience when you lose them so young — three of them. It was surreal. I hesitate to put it into words, what it all means. Anything I say I don't think would do it justice. We miss them and all the boys really miss them. [The team was] really close to them." — coach Steve Lineweaver
"We've improved our depth at running back just by kids have grown up through our program. They're ready now. They looked special when they were young, but now they've grown up to the point where they can contribute on varsity." — Lineweaver
Notable: Trinity opened its new indoor practice facility and football headquarters over the summer, and Lineweaver said he's been unable to keep his kids away from their new home throughout the summer.
— Travis L. Brown
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/08/27/5113643/countdown-to-kickoff-euless-trinity.html#storylink=cpy
Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 28, 2013, 11:22:10 pm
So we're talking JV records now? Okay I'll play along. Lunney's JV record... undefeated in 6 years.
Weak.
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Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 28, 2013, 11:22:10 pm
So we're talking JV records now? Okay I'll play along. Lunney's JV record... undefeated in 6 years.
Weak.
Just quoting stats. Seems you Texas boys like that.
Good Evening
TIGERDAD.......those career records are lineweavers totals as a head coach only. His JV and Offensive Coordinater record is even more impressive. Including a 72 game winning streak at Southlake. To be fare though, Southlake was a 3A then. Something small, cute, and cuddly kind of like your 7A schools. Nothing to the level of difficulty that Texas 5A High School Football is.
Thankyou
JV record..??..?? JV record..??..??
AYSM..??..??
Let me guess....the next thing you fellas are gonna roll out is your record in scrimmages too.... ::)
You boys are starting to sound desperate.....I told you you were gonna be in over your heads around here.....you should quit before us rednecks from Arkansas put the mercy rule on you....
Please Do......
I have told them Texans once already.
Lunney > Lineweaver.
Is it simply because I am a woman that they will not listen! Lol!! :)
Well we've been told that TX/AR are indeed apples-to-apples and suggesting otherwise is being apologetic. Fortunately, both teams are ranked very similar to start the season, around #5-8 in their states, and my guess is that - if anything - Trinity will be ranked lower than Bentonville in their respective states come game time. If the Lunney advantage is accurate, BVille should win this going away.
Quote from: elswagado on August 29, 2013, 10:12:31 am
Well we've been told that TX/AR are indeed apples-to-apples and suggesting otherwise is being apologetic. Fortunately, both teams are ranked very similar to start the season, around #5-8 in their states, and my guess is that - if anything - Trinity will be ranked lower than Bentonville in their respective states come game time. If the Lunney advantage is accurate, BVille should win this going away.
I disagree, State rankings are not similar when comparing Arkansas and Texas and I think most folks with any brains know that. I think both coaches are very good and it will come down to the quality of players period. I doubt one coach out game plans the other. Bentonville has a very tough schedule in the two games before Trinity and Trinity's schedule is even tougher. It's very possible both teams meet with a 1-1 record. The Tigers need to have some good play at QB to have a chance to win this game.
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Quote from: TigerDad2013 on August 28, 2013, 11:22:10 pm
So we're talking JV records now? Okay I'll play along. Lunney's JV record... undefeated in 6 years.
Weak.
Everything they throw down is weak. Their only argument is that they are better than Shiloh and they are going to beat us. Same crap different fan base. Throwing out cute little nicknames is their game now.
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
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I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
Says who..??..??
Me.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
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I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
Says who..??..??
Me.
Seriously though this is a debate that can't be won. But if you are going to claim Lunney as the best coach because of state championships you must at least recognize that winning a big school state championship in Arkansas is nothing compared to winning a big school state championship in Texas. If we cant' agree on that we should just whistle this play dead.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 28, 2013, 11:50:56 pm
Good Evening
TIGERDAD.......those career records are lineweavers totals as a head coach only. His JV and Offensive Coordinater record is even more impressive. Including a 72 game winning streak at Southlake. To be fare though, Southlake was a 3A then. Something small, cute, and cuddly kind of like your 7A schools. Nothing to the level of difficulty that Texas 5A High School Football is.
Thankyou
Look at your post again Trinity. YOU brought up the JV thing. If you put it out there, be ready to defend it.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans.
That may very well be the case. DeSoto is darn good.
Quote from: Texas on August 29, 2013, 01:10:41 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans.
That may very well be the case. DeSoto is darn good.
Exactly, it wasn't meant as a slam. I hope you beat Desoto. We are down this year and the last thing we need is for you guys to come in on a mission after a loss.
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Quote from: Trinity 94 on August 28, 2013, 11:50:56 pm
Good Evening
TIGERDAD.......those career records are lineweavers totals as a head coach only. His JV and Offensive Coordinater record is even more impressive. Including a 72 game winning streak at Southlake. To be fare though, Southlake was a 3A then. Something small, cute, and cuddly kind of like your 7A schools. Nothing to the level of difficulty that Texas 5A High School Football is.
Thankyou
Look at your post again Trinity. YOU brought up the JV thing. If you put it out there, be ready to defend it.
There is nothing to defend. That was the first sentence in the post.
Wanna tell us more about Bentonville scrimmage against so and so?
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans.
That may very well be the case. DeSoto is darn good.
Exactly, it wasn't meant as a slam. I hope you beat Desoto. We are down this year and the last thing we need is for you guys to come in on a mission after a loss.
The Trinity players will be on a mission of sorts either way. The coach, not so much.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 12:26:41 pm
I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
I know exactly why they do it, you are not teaching me anything! Not everyone from Arkansas is an ignorant hillbilly, and I could care less about the dance routine.
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Quote from: elswagado on August 28, 2013, 03:39:02 pm
I don't think either Lunney or Lineweaver hurt for resources, athletes, or community support. They're at places where they should win big and both of them DO win big. Suggesting that Lunney has done "more" seems narrow-minded (and false) to me.
Son...do you not understand numbers.....
BARRY LUNNEY HAS WON AS MANY STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS AS YOUR BOY HAS PLAYED IN....
That is the definition of doing more....regardless if he started with more or less than your boy....
You call it narrow minded...I call it as you are blinded with your allegiance to a coach whose numbers can't match up with Lunney's.....
Lunney has the State Championship hardware.....we don't give runner-up rings here in Arkansas...
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You gotta figure that a big school state championship in Texas is worth 2.25x more than a big school state championship in Arkansas. So....
Says who..??..??
Me.
Seriously though this is a debate that can't be won. But if you are going to claim Lunney as the best coach because of state championships you must at least recognize that winning a big school state championship in Arkansas is nothing compared to winning a big school state championship in Texas. If we cant' agree on that we should just whistle this play dead.
Enough said.
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
I see we're still sword fighting in here lol.
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I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
I know exactly why they do it, you are not teaching me anything! Not everyone from Arkansas is an ignorant hillbilly, and I could care less about the dance routine.
Then why even bring it up?
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I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
I know exactly why they do it, you are not teaching me anything! Not everyone from Arkansas is an ignorant hillbilly, and I could care less about the dance routine.
Then why even bring it up?
Because it seems to strike a nerve with folks like you! You guys are so easy. I hope the football team is a little tougher and not as thin skinned as their fans.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 01:33:21 pm
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
Why would you guess none? There's alot of posters in the 5Atexasfootball forum that go to every game or the majority of the games and them posters are on here posting in this thread. Bentonville will be like going to the local Wal Mart compared to last year's road trip.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 01:33:21 pm
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 01:33:21 pm
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
Are you coming?
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I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
I know exactly why they do it, you are not teaching me anything! Not everyone from Arkansas is an ignorant hillbilly, and I could care less about the dance routine.
Then why even bring it up?
Because it seems to strike a nerve with folks like you! You guys are so easy. I hope the football team is a little tougher and not as thin skinned as their fans.
Not really!
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 01:33:21 pm
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
Are you coming?
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 01:33:21 pm
Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
Are you coming?
I personally like when opposing teams and fans make fun of the Haka...in fact billyo can you make sure the team runs through a big paper banner that reads "Hock A Loogie Dance." And point the banner facing the Trinity team. Thanks.
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I think Trinity will get butt spanked by DeSoto the week before and will roll into Bentonville as a bunch of crazy ticked off Texas Tongans. Do the "Wanna hock a loogie dance" and then take a nap for a couple of qtr.'s.
More disrespect. You boys are good at that.
If that's hurts your feelings, Then you need to toughen up and thank your Trojan God that none of the normal mean crazies are on here this year. I'm probably the nicest guy you will post against. And I don't ever respect a dance routine from any football team.
You are disrespecting the entire school and football team. If you would research it you might understand why they do it. So keep doing whatever you think you need to do.
I know exactly why they do it, you are not teaching me anything! Not everyone from Arkansas is an ignorant hillbilly, and I could care less about the dance routine.
Then why even bring it up?
Because it seems to strike a nerve with folks like you! You guys are so easy. I hope the football team is a little tougher and not as thin skinned as their fans.
Not really!
It's okay you can admit it, When I post "The wanna hock a loogie" dance you respond everytime.
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Like I said, not really. We've heard it before.
Quote from: DPaul on August 29, 2013, 01:45:18 pm
I personally like when opposing teams and fans make fun of the Haka...in fact billyo can you make sure the team runs through a big paper banner that reads "Hock A Loogie Dance." And point the banner facing the Trinity team. Thanks.
Bentonville never runs through a paper banner, but that would be fun.
Anyone know if Coach Lunney and Coach Lineweaver worked out an agreement for Trinity to use the TAC and not the visitors locker room. If not we may have some really Ticked off Trojans and Coaches
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Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
Are you coming?
I'm going to try if work allows.
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Curious as to how many of you Texas posters are actually coming to Bentonville to watch the game? My guess is probably none.
What has led you to that conclusion?
Are you coming?
I'm going to try if work allows.
Awesome. Hope you can make it.
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:16:27 pm
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
I guess they are afraid of you guys, but not afraid of Trinity. They are also worried about getting out coached.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:16:27 pm
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
Union impressed me slightly more last year. Desoto had their way with Jenks after a bad 1st half case of fumbleitis, but Desoto was a monster last year. Union played pretty well with Trinity... Trinity's lack of the offensive gamebreaker they're accustomed to having really showed up and probably kept it closer than it might normally. I know Jenks ended up winning state & crushed Union along the way - I don't know what the deal was with injuries or bad luck or what. I don't expect either to be pushovers for Desoto/Trinity this year. I actually expect the Trinity-BVille game this year to look somewhat similar to how Trinity-Union looked last year, especially if Trinity's offense can't hit it's stride before they head north.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:16:27 pm
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
Union impressed me slightly more last year. Desoto had their way with Jenks after a bad 1st half case of fumbleitis, but Desoto was a monster last year. Union played pretty well with Trinity... Trinity's lack of the offensive gamebreaker they're accustomed to having really showed up and probably kept it closer than it might normally. I know Jenks ended up winning state, I don't expect either to be pushovers for Desoto/Trinity this year. I actually expect the Trinity-BVille game this year to look somewhat similar to how Trinity-Union looked last year, especially if Trinity's offense can't hit it's stride before they head north.
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
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A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
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A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
No but he's a great guy, he married HIS high school sweet heart, And Myself and every other guy had a crush on his now wife. Pretty, Smart and just plain nice. Still is all those things.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
No but he's a great guy, he married HIS high school sweet heart, And Myself and every other guy had a crush on his now wife. Pretty, Smart and just plain nice. Still is all those things.
may not have been his sweetheart but it sure sounds like a crush
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A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
No but he's a great guy, he married HIS high school sweet heart, And Myself and every other guy had a crush on his now wife. Pretty, Smart and just plain nice. Still is all those things.
may not have been his sweetheart but it sure sounds like a crush
Played FB and BB with him in High School, he was 6'4" all state in both sports and a 4.0 student. And he's a nice guy, I hate him.. and he married a nice Hot chick..
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
No but he's a great guy, he married HIS high school sweet heart, And Myself and every other guy had a crush on his now wife. Pretty, Smart and just plain nice. Still is all those things.
^ Texicans take notes and learn
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
A Buddy of mine that had 3 kids play for Carroll told me Desoto was a Beast last year. Last year I'm guessing a Bentonville-Union game would have been close either way. Probably would lean Bentonville's way on that game. Not sure if Bennie has it this year, but it's High school you never really know what you got until you start playing games. I hope this game is a good game either way.
Desoto's offense was a monster - up there with the best I've ever seen and faster than any I've ever seen - but their defense wasn't quite good enough to get the job done against Allen. They will probably be forgotten in history since they didn't win the big prize but the O was a thing of beauty when they were on. Watch for Dontre Wilson returning kicks for Ohio State as a true freshman the next few weeks.
Trinity's defense did a pretty good number on Union (179 total yards of O for TU), but Trinity's offense did not have the firepower to pull away. Their defense will keep them in the game against most anyone (not Desoto last year), but they're a different animal when they have a Tevin Williams, Joel Kimpela, Brandon Carter type on offense.
Did you get my PM? If so does that name ring a bell? His wife works for Carroll ISD ( High School sweetheart)
He was your high school sweet heart? Wow billy you are really opening up today.
No but he's a great guy, he married HIS high school sweet heart, And Myself and every other guy had a crush on his now wife. Pretty, Smart and just plain nice. Still is all those things.
^ Texicans take notes and learn
HA! trust me when I say this, he knows for a fact he can't whoop me, even though he moved to Texas ;D
A face book buddy posted " Better have some body bags handy in Arkyville". He didn't say who would be in those bags!
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:16:27 pm
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
Looking forward to Jenks, battle of the Trojans. Jenks is the defending state champs returning 8 starters on defense. Game gonna be played at Dragon Stadium and Union/Desoto playing in the early game. High school football heaven.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on August 29, 2013, 02:16:27 pm
What do you Texas guys think of your opening game against Jenks, They are 2 hours from Bentonville and for some Reason both Jenks and Tulsa Union don't want to play Bentonville.
Looking forward to Jenks, battle of the Trojans. Jenks is the defending state champs returning 8 starters on defense. Game gonna be played at Dragon Stadium and Union/Desoto playing in the early game. High school football heaven.
Should be a top notch High school matchup. I agree High school football heaven. pit bull against pit bull.
Good Evening Arkansas
I just got back from a very entertaining game. Keller 24 Prosper 23. Prosper missed the XP with :15 remaining. Some doofuss on their team got an Unsportsmanlike penalty after the score. Thereby pushing the XP back to the 17 yard line. Kicker missed wide left. It was like a playoff atmosphere and it is only week 1. I am going to see Haltom tomorrow night. Then Keller Central Saturday morning and UNT Saturday night. What a great opening to football season. THANK GOD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!
THANK GOD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou
Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
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Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
I'll post more later, but about to head to work.
Try this: http://texashsfootball.com/forums/index.php?/topic/128-battle-of-the-trojans-jenks-ok-vs-euless-trinity/
You should be able to register AND POST there. Bring friends. ;D
Quote from: Jenks alumn on August 30, 2013, 01:47:08 am
Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
Thanks for the comments concerning our boys that we lost. Life sometimes hits us hard.
I appreciate the insight of the Desoto game and I also can appreciate the realization that if's and but's are always on a great fans mind. We have a lot of those if's and but's of our own through the years. How unfortunate that they don't put an "*" after a close game to give that information however if I were on the winning end I would not appreciate the *.
I am glad that we may face a Jenks team that is a better representitive of your best team possible. It will be a challenge for all three of our first three games. Trinity will most likely give a vanilla gameplan on all three games. I would always like to put an "*" for all of our non-district games since Lineweaver will not do anything to hurt his ability to win the games that count.
He does not like to "show his wares" until he needs to. That goes for play calling and personell to a degree.
IF, here it is, IF we show what we got, we have more this year than we had last year. I have my doubts that we go undefeated through these non-district games but I'm pretty sure that come playoff time, Trinity is a good bet on the championship this year. I'm not claiming that we will win but that we will challenge for the 5A title.
I hope you enjoy your trip!
Good morning, Trinity 94!
Last night in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E (I believe that's how our friend Texas spelled it earlier, so out of respect I'll use that) Bentonville beat Owasso, OK 28-7.
That's noteworthy of sorts, because:
- Owasso was one of only three teams to beat Union last year (at Union) during the regular/playoff season. You and your soon opponent Jenks (semi-finals) were the others, although it's noteworthy that Union beat Jenks in the season opener for both teams in 2012.
- That was the second time in as many years that Owasso had beaten Union, after snapping its 94-game conference winning streak in 2011 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Owasso_knocks_off_Union_for_second_straight_year/20120922_227_b3_cutlin548760).
- Owasso was a Rivals 100 team for much of the season last year, making it to the Oklahoma 6A semi-finals for the third time in as many years, and;
- Owasso was said, in preseason this year, to have the best defense they'd had in years.
Again, this was only a S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E at Tulsa Union. Maybe Bentonville will lose every game from here on out. But I'm guessing there's a good chance they won't. And I think they'll fight hard in every one of them.
Thank you.
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 30, 2013, 09:22:32 am
Good morning, Trinity 94!
Last night in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E (I believe that's how our friend Texas spelled it earlier, so out of respect I'll use that) Bentonville beat Owasso, OK 28-7.
That's noteworthy of sorts, because:
- Owasso was one of only three teams to beat Union last year (at Union) during the regular/playoff season. You and your soon opponent Jenks (semi-finals) were the others, although it's noteworthy that Union beat Jenks in the season opener for both teams in 2012.
- That was the second time in as many years that Owasso had beaten Union, after snapping its 94-game conference winning streak in 2011 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Owasso_knocks_off_Union_for_second_straight_year/20120922_227_b3_cutlin548760).
- Owasso was a Rivals 100 team for much of the season last year, making it to the Oklahoma 6A semi-finals for the third time in as many years, and;
- Owasso was said, in preseason this year, to have the best defense they'd had in years.
Again, this was only a S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E at Tulsa Union. Maybe Bentonville will lose every game from here on out. But I'm guessing there's a good chance they won't. And I think they'll fight hard in every one of them.
Thank you.
That's great, I think we may have been fed a bunch of bull to lead us to think Trinity would be faceing a down Bentonville team. Doing that to Owasso is making a statement! I still think Trinity will play a competitive game though.
I'm thinking the the S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E is done differently outside of Texas because we don't really keep score- sort of. They blow the whistile once someone break out in the open I think they are trying not to have anyone hurt.
They will typically give the offensive team 15 plays whether or not they made a 1st down. They switch to allow the opposing team have it on offense.
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Quote from: OPoraquê on August 30, 2013, 09:22:32 am
Good morning, Trinity 94!
Last night in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E (I believe that's how our friend Texas spelled it earlier, so out of respect I'll use that) Bentonville beat Owasso, OK 28-7.
That's noteworthy of sorts, because:
- Owasso was one of only three teams to beat Union last year (at Union) during the regular/playoff season. You and your soon opponent Jenks (semi-finals) were the others, although it's noteworthy that Union beat Jenks in the season opener for both teams in 2012.
- That was the second time in as many years that Owasso had beaten Union, after snapping its 94-game conference winning streak in 2011 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Owasso_knocks_off_Union_for_second_straight_year/20120922_227_b3_cutlin548760).
- Owasso was a Rivals 100 team for much of the season last year, making it to the Oklahoma 6A semi-finals for the third time in as many years, and;
- Owasso was said, in preseason this year, to have the best defense they'd had in years.
Again, this was only a S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E at Tulsa Union. Maybe Bentonville will lose every game from here on out. But I'm guessing there's a good chance they won't. And I think they'll fight hard in every one of them.
Thank you.
That's great, I think we may have been fed a bunch of bull to lead us to think Trinity would be faceing a down Bentonville team. Doing that to Owasso is making a statement! I still think Trinity will play a competitive game though.
I'm thinking the the S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E is done differently outside of Texas because we don't really keep score- sort of. They blow the whistile once someone break out in the open I think they are trying not to have anyone hurt.
They will typically give the offensive team 15 plays whether or not they made a 1st down. They switch to allow the opposing team have it on offense.
No one is trying to sandbag or feed anyone a line of bull. We just don't know for sure what we got. Some kids may step up and the team may gel. We have said we may be down, didn't say we would be bad.
Quote from: Jenks alumn on August 30, 2013, 01:47:08 am
Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
Thx for your kind words regarding the Trojan players and future Trojan player who lost their lives on July 31, 2013. The community has really come together to show support and unity. Unity, that is what the Haka is really all about BTW. This season when they do the Haka, they will be thinking of Polo, Gaius and Lolo.
As for Trinity vs. Jenks, I look forward to this game. I have always wanted for our team to play Jenks, more so than play Union. That program has been going strong for 20 years or more, so I have admired them for a long time.
Lots of IF & BUTTS in football. Last season vs. DeSoto, Trinity got spanked to. Lots of unforced TO's, then it was just a snowball effect after that. Trinity still would have probably lost the game, but they could have played better and made it more competitive.
Trinity will be better on offense this season, so I look forward to this game to see what they do in a game. I've seen enough practices and Scrimmages already.
Thankyou
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 10:53:00 am
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on August 30, 2013, 10:34:15 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on August 30, 2013, 09:22:32 am
Good morning, Trinity 94!
Last night in the big preseason S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E (I believe that's how our friend Texas spelled it earlier, so out of respect I'll use that) Bentonville beat Owasso, OK 28-7.
That's noteworthy of sorts, because:
- Owasso was one of only three teams to beat Union last year (at Union) during the regular/playoff season. You and your soon opponent Jenks (semi-finals) were the others, although it's noteworthy that Union beat Jenks in the season opener for both teams in 2012.
- That was the second time in as many years that Owasso had beaten Union, after snapping its 94-game conference winning streak in 2011 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Owasso_knocks_off_Union_for_second_straight_year/20120922_227_b3_cutlin548760).
- Owasso was a Rivals 100 team for much of the season last year, making it to the Oklahoma 6A semi-finals for the third time in as many years, and;
- Owasso was said, in preseason this year, to have the best defense they'd had in years.
Again, this was only a S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E at Tulsa Union. Maybe Bentonville will lose every game from here on out. But I'm guessing there's a good chance they won't. And I think they'll fight hard in every one of them.
Thank you.
That's great, I think we may have been fed a bunch of bull to lead us to think Trinity would be faceing a down Bentonville team. Doing that to Owasso is making a statement! I still think Trinity will play a competitive game though.
I'm thinking the the S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E is done differently outside of Texas because we don't really keep score- sort of. They blow the whistile once someone break out in the open I think they are trying not to have anyone hurt.
They will typically give the offensive team 15 plays whether or not they made a 1st down. They switch to allow the opposing team have it on offense.
No one is trying to sandbag or feed anyone a line of bull. We just don't know for sure what we got. Some kids may step up and the team may gel. We have said we may be down, didn't say we would be bad.
What Billyo62 said. There are many of us who are humble and know that we can lose any game, any time. We also know, from the schedule of the past 3-4 years, that Bentonville has become strong enough that it really was time to play a team on the order of a top Texas 5A team while it still is at this level. Win or lose or lose big. Bentonville is in rapid-growth situation now like Plano was, and will indeed likely have to split some point (though Northwest Arkansas isn't the Metroplex and never will be, but it also may have more than 1 million people some day and Bville is at the epicenter of all this), so it was now or never. We're still learning what we have "now", but I'm glad Bennie's Coach Lunney has "seized the day" to schedule Trinity. BTW, great post, TrinityTrojan80, and I, too, and sorry that I didn't convey my condolences on your team's loss earlier. Never wish that on ANYONE.
Quote from: Jenks alumn on August 30, 2013, 01:47:08 am
Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
Classy post my friend. Thank you.
Quote from: Jenks alumn on August 30, 2013, 01:47:08 am
Jenks guy chiming in here, Im hoping DPaul takes my comments over to Texas Forum on the Euless Jenks thread since Im unable to post there....
Desoto did beat Jenks last year running away, but only after two things happened:
1.) Desoto made adjustments - they figured out that Jenks couldn't complete a pass. Jenks played w/o Jordan Smallwood (OU signee) and Trey Michalczewski their top possession receiver. Jenks also played without Nick Lucido one of their top pass blocking lineman. Once Desoto figured this out midway through second qtr they put 10 in the box every play on d. I was at the game and could see this change very clearly. Not hyperbole - truly 10 in the box. Without ball control ability and threat of pass, game over for Jenks offense.
2.) Trey'Vonne Bare sat out midway through second qtr. He was shredding Desoto till then.
I know what they say about ifs and buts... That said had Jenks had the passing game going and Barr'e for the full game, we are looking back on a way different outcome against Desoto. The healthy Jenks team that beat Union like a rented mule in the playoffs last year is more representative of the team Euless will line up against next Saturday.
I am going Euless/Jenks and am going to try to make drive up from Dallas to Bentonville for that game too. My folks live in Bella Vista so I have more of an excuse - I highly recommend Gusanos
pizza for anyone making the trip from Euless.
Finally, thoughts and prayers to the Euless Family for your loss this summer. My heart broke when I heard the news of those kids, the families, and the Trinity program. The Jenks family is praying for you guys to heal quickly and carry on a legacy in those boys names.
Done.
Very insightful and classy.
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Man you got Tongans, The Haka, Lineweaver and BATMAN! This game is starting to sound unfair! :)
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:52:59 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Man you got Tongans, The Haka, Lineweaver and BATMAN! This game is starting to sound unfair! :)
lol.
My plan is to leave early Friday morning. Get in town early, get a room (too tired to drive back) and go to Walmart before the game. ;D
Should be a fun trip, looking forward to it.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:52:59 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Man you got Tongans, The Haka, Lineweaver and BATMAN! This game is starting to sound unfair! :)
Batman sucks!
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:52:59 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Man you got Tongans, The Haka, Lineweaver and BATMAN! This game is starting to sound unfair! :)
You guys are funny:)
Quote from: Texas on August 30, 2013, 04:19:47 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:52:59 am
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am
That's a good question unfortunately I don't know...there is a poster on 5atexasfootball board that is better qualified. I'll see if i can summon him.....
(http://m.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/July/Film/Bat_Signal.jpg)
Man you got Tongans, The Haka, Lineweaver and BATMAN! This game is starting to sound unfair! :)
Batman sucks!
(http://www.digdang.com/media/images/gay_batman_5755.jpg)
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
On game day. That's the question. If this game were on a Saturday, more of us would be there, no doubt. Some people can not take off work. Some will go if they can get off work. I'm guessing several hundred will be going, but that is just a rough estimate.
Often at road games there are more Trinity fans there than on the home side. I'm guessing that won't be the case that night. ;)
Quote from: Texas on August 30, 2013, 09:15:01 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 30, 2013, 11:40:59 am
Will Trinity travel on game day? If so that seems like a long bus ride before a game.
On game day. That's the question. If this game were on a Saturday, more of us would be there, no doubt. Some people can not take off work. Some will go if they can get off work. I'm guessing several hundred will be going, but that is just a rough estimate.
Often at road games there are more Trinity fans there than on the home side. I'm guessing that won't be the case that night. ;)
Nope. Bennie will pack their side from what I hear. I was surprised by the turnout in Seattle last year and this game is closer by far. I would be shocked if there isnt a good turnout of Trojanry.
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Lineweaver wants everyone to have a good time, here is what some of coaches came up with a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNaIAFRq1Q
Quote from: TrinityTrojan80 on August 31, 2013, 09:07:44 am
Lineweaver wants everyone to have a good time, here is what some of coaches came up with a few years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRNaIAFRq1Q
I saw that a couple years ago, pretty funny stuff!
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
We Trinity fans like to show up mid way through the 1st quarter....
Quote from: DPaul on August 31, 2013, 09:50:57 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
We Trinity fans like to show up mid way through the 1st quarter....
LOL- what ever, just as long as you show up.
Quote from: DPaul on August 31, 2013, 09:50:57 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
We Trinity fans like to show up mid way through the 1st quarter....
I'm riding with my brother. Knowing him, he'll want to leave by 0600 and get to the stadium by 1500.
Quote from: Texas on August 31, 2013, 12:45:39 pm
Quote from: DPaul on August 31, 2013, 09:50:57 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
We Trinity fans like to show up mid way through the 1st quarter....
I'm riding with my brother. Knowing him, he'll want to leave by 0600 and get to the stadium by 1500.
LOL- sounds like a buddy of mine, and if your not at his house at 0600 he will leave without you.
I am glad this game is week 3 rather than week 1. But saying that we have Jenks in week 1 but for the purpose of this thread I'm glad we can see a couple games to get a better idea of what we have before going to Arky. I don't like surprises lol. But from the posters in here saying that they think Bennie will be "down" and Jenks bringing back several starters from their title team, I'm thinking Jenks will be the tougher of the 2 games.....
So it is decided on the message board that Jenks is better? Ok.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 31, 2013, 04:42:30 pm
So it is decided on the message board that Jenks is better? Ok.
Jenks is a home game for us though.
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
I have been to a few packed houses at Bennie with them playing little ole Arkansas competition.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 31, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
Lol that's what that comment sounded like. People in that area and people who root for the Don Boscos of high school football only care about national recognition. They don't watch high school football like us Texicans do.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 31, 2013, 05:16:31 pm
I have been to a few packed houses at Bennie with them playing little ole Arkansas competition.
Those dusty ole Rebs always show up in force, Makes it a great atmosphere. ;)
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 31, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
Trust me it will be packed, remember the Yogi Berra quote, "nobody goes there anymore it's to crowded". Bentonville would get 9-10 thousand a game if there were enough seats and it wasn't a pain in the butt to get a seat.
Whatever happened to BentonvilleFootball.com/?
What other HS's did Lunney coach besides Beebe, Bentonville and FS Southside?
Quote from: Texas on August 31, 2013, 07:24:36 pm
Whatever happened to BentonvilleFootball.com/?
You forgot the hs
http://bentonvillehsfootball.com/Roster
It's a relatively new sight. It still doesn't have all the bells and whistles that the old site had, but they claim they're adding to it.
Quote from: DPaul on August 30, 2013, 12:06:07 pm
My plan is to leave early Friday morning. Get in town early, get a room (too tired to drive back) and go to Walmart before the game. ;D
Should be a fun trip, looking forward to it.
go to the Pleasant Grove Wal Mart. It's the best in the area.
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 31, 2013, 05:48:12 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 31, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
Trust me it will be packed, remember the Yogi Berra quote, "nobody goes there anymore it's to crowded". Bentonville would get 9-10 thousand a game if there were enough seats and it wasn't a pain in the butt to get a seat.
Sure doesn't sound like it from this comment. Are you disputing the highlighted comments?
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 01, 2013, 10:53:02 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 31, 2013, 05:48:12 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 31, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
Trust me it will be packed, remember the Yogi Berra quote, "nobody goes there anymore it's to crowded". Bentonville would get 9-10 thousand a game if there were enough seats and it wasn't a pain in the butt to get a seat.
Sure doesn't sound like it from this comment. Are you disputing the highlighted comments?
I'm sure it will be pretty full. Why quibble about such petty details? Still, for a game we have to drive 5.5-6 hours to get to, why would we show up last minute? Seems like a good policy to be there an hour early or so at least.
Seeing a few petty comments from the Texa$$ folks....
I hope Bennie kicks the Tongans to sleep.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 01, 2013, 10:53:02 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on August 31, 2013, 05:48:12 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 31, 2013, 05:05:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on August 31, 2013, 01:43:13 am
For the Trinity fans making the trip up, make sure you get to Tiger Stadium early, around 6:30. The home side will be mostly full by then and some Bville fans will decide to sit on the visitors side. Unless at least 1,000 Trinity fans show up, I would expect there to be plenty of seating. The only times typically we are standing room only are for Harber, Fville or a big Rogers game.
A lot of that will depend on the first 2 week, tho. If Bville is 2-0 and getting some solid national publicity, this game could be absolutely packed.
Tickets are available at Pennington field. It's a shame they have to get national publicity in order for people to show up.
Trust me it will be packed, remember the Yogi Berra quote, "nobody goes there anymore it's to crowded". Bentonville would get 9-10 thousand a game if there were enough seats and it wasn't a pain in the butt to get a seat.
Sure doesn't sound like it from this comment. Are you disputing the highlighted comments?
No it will be packed, My point is we could get 9-10 thousand a game if there were more seats,
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
But anyway, guess I need to start making a motel reservation. Is this motocross event taking place on the weekend of the game the big boys of motocross or arena motocross?
You're basically out of luck finding a motel room.
Just checked on Expedia, and all motels in Bentonville, Rogers, Springdale and Fayetteville are booked.
Next bet is to possibly stay in Fort Smith or go west to Tulsa.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 02, 2013, 12:28:30 pm
You're basically out of luck finding a motel room.
Just checked on Expedia, and all motels in Bentonville, Rogers, Springdale and Fayetteville are booked.
Next bet is to possibly stay in Fort Smith or go west to Tulsa.
Wow.
It's freaking Arkansas for christ sakes.
You have to understand that Bikes, Blues and BBQ is a big deal up here.
It's not Sturgis, but there will be bikers everywhere in the area for the weekend.
Just be thankful this isn't the weekend of an Arkansas home game.
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 12:47:38 pm
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 02, 2013, 12:28:30 pm
You're basically out of luck finding a motel room.
Just checked on Expedia, and all motels in Bentonville, Rogers, Springdale and Fayetteville are booked.
Next bet is to possibly stay in Fort Smith or go west to Tulsa.
Wow.
It's freaking Arkansas for christ sakes.
There will be an extra couple of hundred thousand people in the area that weekend, you will see ton's of motorcyles everywhere on your way up. It's one of the biggest rally's in the country. I think the poker run has over 1,200 Bikes already signed up. You won't believe the number of Bikes total.
Just looked this up, here is a link, trust me be thankful Fayetteville is 30+ miles away.
http://www.bikesbluesandbbq.org/about/event-history/
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 12:47:38 pm
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 02, 2013, 12:28:30 pm
You're basically out of luck finding a motel room.
Just checked on Expedia, and all motels in Bentonville, Rogers, Springdale and Fayetteville are booked.
Next bet is to possibly stay in Fort Smith or go west to Tulsa.
feel free to stay in Texas then. We'll get along just fine without ya.
Wow.
It's freaking Arkansas for christ sakes.
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 11:23:54 am
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
Hey look the pretentious texican has decided he needs to tell us how to run the board now. As a petty comment police officer I now have to read you your rights.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you"
"You have the right to get off your high horse so you can see just how much of your crap you have left behind you"
Good evening
Siloam Springs just beat Shiloh Christian 35-35.
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 10:31:42 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on August 28, 2013, 10:04:17 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on August 28, 2013, 03:38:36 pm
Lunney has won as many State Championships (7) as your boy has played in....as a matter of fact, Lunney has lost almost as many State Championship games (5) as your boy has played in....
You got nothin'....your boy will easily be the second best coach on the field....
Lunney doesn't have a Tongan pipeline....all he has is a bunch of snot nosed rich kids with parents that make enough to spend $700,000 a year on a football coaching staff.....crap dude, they hired their weight coach away from a Div. 1 college because they could pay him more money....your boy ain't outcoaching Barry Legend....
The beauty of Barry Lunney is that he can make that bunch of rich kids play like a bunch of kids from the wrong side of the tracks....you ain't gonna see any of that namby pamby attempts at finesse football that you saw from Shiloh....they will line up, play physical, and execute like most of the teams in Texas can only dream about....
You guys needs to make sure that your boy is wearing clean underwear that nite because Barry Lunney will coach the pants off of him in a one game situation....
Good luck with all that.
No luck needed....statistically Linkletter ain't in Lunney's league...
The facts speak for themselves....and are undeniable...
I mentioned before that I am good at researching and finding info, but that I don't sometimes because it is time consuming and I am sometimes too lazy. Well, I decided to research Barry Lunney's coaching career. Finding Lineweavers career numbers was relatively easy. Lunney was definitely not easy. However, I have finally succeeded. Here is what I have found.
In 26 seasons, Lunney's teams...
have won their conference 14 seasons
have been to the playoffs 20 seasons
have only had four losing (under .500) seasons
have played in nine state title games
have won six state titles
Lunney's overall career record is
228-83-1 .730 win %
20-10 elsewhere in three seasons .667
*129-55-1 at FS Southside in seven seasons .697 win %
79-18 at Bentonville in eight seasons .814 win %
Lunney's career playoff record is
40-13 .754 win %
*30-7 at FS Southside .810 win %
10-6 at Bentonville .600 win %
Sources:
http://www.arkansasonline.com/photos/galleries/2012/aug/01/arkansas-best-high-school-football-coaches/42582/#displaySnap
http://arkansasvarsity.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1107&CID=1107172
http://www.maxpreps.com/local/team/records/year_by_year_results.aspx?gendersport=boys,football&schoolid=ffdd7a61-cadf-4d29-b515-94c0f347473b
Note: Some of these sources were as of a certain date. I simply did the math to figure out the current career record.
*Unconfirmed. Simply based on Overall record minus Bentonville and other teams equals FS Southside records.
Not too shabby.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 02, 2013, 07:45:18 pm
Good evening
Siloam Springs just beat Shiloh Christian 35-35.
Uh. ??? That looks more like a tie to me.
Good Evening
Odd things about Arkansas football I noticed during the game......
Siloam Springs is a 6a. Last year they made the playoffs at 1-9 because all 6a make the playoffs. Is this true?
It felt like a Siloam win because they were down 35-12 half way through the 4th. They tied the game in the final 30 seconds. Shiloh tried a rugby style punt and bobbled the ball. When the punter did make contact a blitzer caught the ball right off his foot and raced in for the tying touchdown. Then Siloam intercepted the Shiloh QB at the goalline with 7 seconds left.
The game was declared a tie because there is another one about to start, Warren vs Fayetteville. I suppose they just cant wait.
The Shiloh Christian announcer said that he did not know what the "heck" a tie would mean in the standings. I was a bit surprised when he chose that word.
Thankyou
Good evening
Siloam was down 35-14. I don't know why I typed 12 earlier.
Shiloh has a blazing fast QB. He had a 92 and 72 TD run. Both simple QB draws. He was just faster than everyone. He had something like 252 yards rushing in the 3rd quarter.
Thankyou
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 02, 2013, 08:00:22 pm
Good evening
Siloam was down 35-14. I don't know why I typed 12 earlier.
Shiloh has a blazing fast QB. He had a 92 and 72 TD run. Both simple QB draws. He was just faster than everyone. He had something like 252 yards rushing in the 3rd quarter.
Thankyou
Are you at the game or something?
Thankyou
Quote from: gatecrasher on September 02, 2013, 10:38:05 am
Seeing a few petty comments from the Texa$$ folks....
I hope Bennie kicks the Tongans to sleep.
Good luck with that.
Quote from: phdefense on September 02, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 11:23:54 am
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
Hey look the pretentious texican has decided he needs to tell us how to run the board now. As a petty comment police officer I now have to read you your rights.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you"
"You have the right to get off your high horse so you can see just how much of your crap you have left behind you"
Point proven for me, thanks.
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 08:26:18 pm
Quote from: phdefense on September 02, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 11:23:54 am
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
Hey look the pretentious texican has decided he needs to tell us how to run the board now. As a petty comment police officer I now have to read you your rights.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you"
"You have the right to get off your high horse so you can see just how much of your crap you have left behind you"
Point proven for me, thanks.
As a petty comment officer I am here to protect and serve. Protecting the public from pretentious snobbery since 2003. Nothing to see here move along.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 02, 2013, 07:56:54 pm
Good Evening
Odd things about Arkansas football I noticed during the game......
Siloam Springs is a 6a. Last year they made the playoffs at 1-9 because all 6a make the playoffs. Is this true?
It felt like a Siloam win because they were down 35-12 half way through the 4th. They tied the game in the final 30 seconds. Shiloh tried a rugby style punt and bobbled the ball. When the punter did make contact a blitzer caught the ball right off his foot and raced in for the tying touchdown. Then Siloam intercepted the Shiloh QB at the goalline with 7 seconds left.
The game was declared a tie because there is another one about to start, Warren vs Fayetteville. I suppose they just cant wait.
The Shiloh Christian announcer said that he did not know what the "heck" a tie would mean in the standings. I was a bit surprised when he chose that word.
Thankyou
No nonconference games in Arkansas go into overtime. If it's tied at the end of regulation, then it stays tied. It wasn't because of the second game.
And yes, unfortunately, it's true. All 16 Class 6A teams went to the playoffs. That's how they voted on the matter, and it caused nine of the 16 teams to enter the playoffs with a losing record.
But that wasn't the worst of the matter. Two teams went to the playoffs without a single victory — 0-10 records.
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 11:23:54 am
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
But anyway, guess I need to start making a motel reservation. Is this motocross event taking place on the weekend of the game the big boys of motocross or arena motocross?
You don't know me on this board. I'm the one some folks don't like on this board. ;D
Quote from: gatecrasher on September 03, 2013, 06:56:07 am
Quote from: DPaul on September 02, 2013, 11:23:54 am
If the comments are petty then ignore them. Pretty common sense. No one here should play the petty comment police.
But anyway, guess I need to start making a motel reservation. Is this motocross event taking place on the weekend of the game the big boys of motocross or arena motocross?
You don't know me on this board. I'm the one some folks don't like on this board. ;D
I like you!
I'm just glad that Trinity opens up with a couple of crème puffs before they come to Bentonville.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:19:56 am
I'm just glad that Trinity opens up with a couple of crème puffs before they come to Bentonville.
Benny is a cream puff for trinity. :P
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 04, 2013, 09:31:07 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:19:56 am
I'm just glad that Trinity opens up with a couple of crème puffs before they come to Bentonville.
Benny is a cream puff for trinity. :P
After Jenks and Desoto I'm sure a few players will look at Bennie that way!
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:39:01 am
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 04, 2013, 09:31:07 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:19:56 am
I'm just glad that Trinity opens up with a couple of crème puffs before they come to Bentonville.
Benny is a cream puff for trinity. :P
After Jenks and Desoto I'm sure a few players will look at Bennie that way!
Lineweaver is pretty good at motivating his players though. Besides, after last years OOS road trip loss, I am sure the players will want to perform better.
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 01:05:24 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:39:01 am
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 04, 2013, 09:31:07 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 09:19:56 am
I'm just glad that Trinity opens up with a couple of crème puffs before they come to Bentonville.
Benny is a cream puff for trinity. :P
After Jenks and Desoto I'm sure a few players will look at Bennie that way!
Lineweaver is pretty good at motivating his players though. Besides, after last years OOS road trip loss, I am sure the players will want to perform better.
I'm sure he is, I was just hoping a little. Because I think the last they want is to lose to an Arkansas team. And don't kid yourself, we ain't no pushover.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 01:05:24 pm
Lineweaver is pretty good at motivating his players though. Besides, after last years OOS road trip loss, I am sure the players will want to perform better.
I'm sure he is, I was just hoping a little. Because I think the last they want is to lose to an Arkansas team. And don't kid yourself, we ain't no pushover.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure they (players, coaches) could care less about Bentonville being an Arkansas team. No more or less motivation. No more or less disappointment in losing.
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 04:45:07 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 01:05:24 pm
Lineweaver is pretty good at motivating his players though. Besides, after last years OOS road trip loss, I am sure the players will want to perform better.
I'm sure he is, I was just hoping a little. Because I think the last they want is to lose to an Arkansas team. And don't kid yourself, we ain't no pushover.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure they (players, coaches) could care less about Bentonville being an Arkansas team. No more or less motivation. No more or less disappointment in losing.
Okay, as Bennie could care less about the Haka, big hair and the Texas mentality.. It's all good.
What is Haka???
Texas, glad to see you looked up Coach Lunney's record in his Coaching Career.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 07:30:25 pm
What is Haka???
Texas, glad to see you looked up Coach Lunney's record in his Coaching Career.
Yes. Since you did not back up your own point, I decided to research it myself...
As Baitshop said, "The facts speak for themselves and are undeniable.". I'm cool with that.
My conclusion is, Lineweaver is the superior coach, by a lot. The facts speak for themselves.
Don't worry though. As I said before, I doubt this game will come down to coaching specifically.
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 07:45:20 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 07:30:25 pm
What is Haka???
Texas, glad to see you looked up Coach Lunney's record in his Coaching Career.
Yes. Since you did not back up your own point, I decided to research it myself...
As Baitshop said, "The facts speak for themselves and are undeniable.". I'm cool with that.
My conclusion is, Lineweaver is the superior coach, by a lot. The facts speak for themselves.
Don't worry though. As I said before, I doubt this game will come down to coaching specifically.
Excuse Me? I don't have to back up anything or justify any point too you if I chose not to do so.
My opinion stands whether you agree with it or not (which I am sure you are aware of this and that I am entitled too)and there is certainly no reason to come on Fearless Friday and be rude about the career of one of the best Coaches in Arkansas just because you are from Texas.
I happen to hope that the game will be a close one and pray it will be injury free for the players. Everyone is aware the game is played by the players who are Coached by a Coach.
I have a news flash for you sometimes and yes sometimes the Coach can Make All the Difference.
Thank you sir.
P.S. LUNNEY IS GREATER than lineweaver
And Thanks for the slap!!!!
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 04, 2013, 04:46:52 pm
Okay, as Bennie could care less about the Haka, big hair and the Texas mentality.. It's all good.
That's right - beating Trinity would be just another game for Bennie! ha ha ha ha
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 03, 2013, 12:11:38 am
And yes, unfortunately, it's true. All 16 Class 6A teams went to the playoffs. That's how they voted on the matter, and it caused nine of the 16 teams to enter the playoffs with a losing record.
But that wasn't the worst of the matter. Two teams went to the playoffs without a single victory — 0-10 records.
Only four 7A teams, out of all 16, don't go to the playoffs. And some of those play 6A schedules. Tis definitely unfortunate! ha ha ha ha
Good evening
Are there 16 teams in each Arkansas Classification? 112 total?
Thankyou
Good evening
Is a schools classification determined solely by the enrollment of the school? Can they elect to move up?
Thankyou
Good evening
Who are the rivals or equals in Arkansas to Lunney currently?
For example right now in DFW I would say Lineweaver has 15-20 elite coaches that he has too look forward too in the playoffs.
Where does Lunney rank in Arkansas history? For example Texas had Gordon Wood and GA Moore to compare current coaches too. We have had a ton of guys lately that have had 5-10 year spurts of greatness.
Thankyou
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 08:05:47 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 07:45:20 pm
Yes. Since you did not back up your own point, I decided to research it myself...
As Baitshop said, "The facts speak for themselves and are undeniable.". I'm cool with that.
My conclusion is, Lineweaver is the superior coach, by a lot. The facts speak for themselves.
Don't worry though. As I said before, I doubt this game will come down to coaching specifically.
Excuse Me? I don't have to back up anything or justify any point too you if I chose not to do so.
My opinion stands whether you agree with it or not (which I am sure you are aware of this and that I am entitled too)and there is certainly no reason to come on Fearless Friday and be rude about the career of one of the best Coaches in Arkansas just because you are from Texas.
I happen to hope that the game will be a close one and pray it will be injury free for the players. Everyone is aware the game is played by the players who are Coached by a Coach.
I have a news flash for you sometimes and yes sometimes the Coach can Make All the Difference.
Thank you sir.
P.S. LUNNEY IS GREATER than lineweaver
Sorry if you feel I am being rude. You started it though. You asked for it. You got it.
Quote from: Texas on August 24, 2013, 10:08:17 pm
I kinda look at the coaches and staff as a wash. Both have great Head coaches and staffs. ...
Don't get me wrong. I am not discounting Lunney and staff, nor do I think Trinity's "athlete advantage" (for lack of a better term) can't be overcome. It's just that I doubt either man will be "out coached". They are too good to be out coached. Like I said coaching is a wash. They are basically evenly matched coaching wise. That's why I am not focusing my discussion on the coaches. Also, there is only so much you can say about a coach, once you have established he is a great coach.
I hope that clears things up.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 09:49:02 pm
Coaching a Wash? No.
Quote from: Texas on August 26, 2013, 10:06:23 pm
Please explain.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:26:03 pm
I don't think that the Coaches are equal or that they will or can not play a factor in my opinion.
That's all.
Quote from: elswagado on August 26, 2013, 10:35:46 pm
To ensure no confusion, do you feel Lunney > Lineweaver?
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 10:54:21 pmYes. Coach Lunney is the better Coach. IMO.
Then crickets.
I was fine just leaving it be. I have said over and over again that these coaches are both great. There is no need to even compare their records or discuss who is the better coach.
You made the bold statement that Lunney > Lineweaver. That was so unnecessary. And you talk about me being rude. ROFL! It is incredibly hypocritical of you to say I am rude, given everything you have said. I don't know why we can't just all say, two great coaches and leave it at that.
Then Baitshop chimed in. Gave vague "facts" and points. Facts that were incorrect BTW.
The bottom line is Lunney is YOUR coach. THAT is the basis of your opinion, period. I get that and have no problem with you thinking that. Making a point to say "LUNNEY IS GREATER than lineweaver" opens a can of worms. Response should be expected. You can't just make drive by comments and expect no one to question you.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 29, 2013, 08:45:16 am
Please Do......
I have told them Texans once already.
Lunney > Lineweaver.
Is it simply because I am a woman that they will not listen! Lol!! :)
I really don't care that you are a woman. Gender is irrelevant. I have been listening. I have laid out all the reasons.
Also, just to let you know. I don't take this stuff personally. It's all good. I hope we can look back at this one day and have a good laugh.
I know I will.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 04, 2013, 09:22:29 pm
Good evening
Are there 16 teams in each Arkansas Classification? 112 total?
Thankyou
Nope ... There are 16 in Class 7A and 6A, 32 in Class 5A, 48 apiece in Class 4A and Class 3A and the remainder in Class 2A. There are other Class 3A and 2A schools that don't play football, then all 1A schools don't play football.
There is also the private school factor. All private schools must play one class higher than where their enrollment numbers would place them.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 04, 2013, 09:24:37 pm
Good evening
Is a schools classification determined solely by the enrollment of the school? Can they elect to move up?
Thankyou
It's a school's enrollment numbers based on a three-year average in grades 9-11 which determines its classification.
Schools can choose to play up in class if they wish. For example, Shiloh Christian could have been a Class 3A school but chose to play in Class 5A last year and this year. Next year, it will be a Class 4A school based on numbers and the private school factor.
Top two classifications 7A & 6A have 16 teams each. 12 teams go to the playoffs in 7A (4 skip the 1st round). Because some 6A and 7A teams, are in the same conference, the AAA decided to put all 16, 6A teams in the playoffs. First round is a formality, certain schools don't support football much. The better teams use these practice games to prepare for the quarter finals..
Yes classification is based on student population.
7A is ~ 1200-1900, with Bentonville at 4,244.
6A ~ 800-1200.
Really? You were fine with letting it lay? So that's why you took it upon yourself to go look up Coach Lunney's records and then state...It's my conclusion that Coach Lineweaver is the Superior Coach?
Another thing....I didn't ASK you anything. Your buddy asked me if I thought that Lunney was > than Lineweaver and I posted my opinion. You are the one wanting all the stats etc. Not I.
You sir, also came on this message board stating all these stats about how high and mighty Texas is. And that is fine to have team support but don't expect us not to so the same.
I even very sweetly welcomed you to FF when you joined. Go look that up.
I also posted a few minutes ago....very nicely...Texas, Glad you looked up Coach Lunneys Record. You took it to the next step by saying because I didn't back up my point. But oh yeah....you want to let it lay. Bull.
You are extremely well versed in taking things out of context and twisting them to your liking.
You sir, are the one that posted that the Coaching was a WASH and then....I hope that clears things up! Really? I think not. I disagreed and still disagree with that statement. I don't know of you expect people just to roll over and let you disrespect a program in certain ways...and then act like you didnt say it but its not going to happen. You also posted YOUR OPINION the same way I posted mine. So whats the difference? Is it the fact that I disagreed with you? I think so. I was kidding about the woman reference. Apparently you want to come on here and tell us all how to post or how to avoid reading posts on a Message Board you don't even own. And I am rude? So be it. I posted I was praying for the players and that meant Both teams.....but yes I am an extremely rude person. I don't care if you call me a hypocrite or not. I don't care if you laugh till your stomach hurts. But I do care when you come on here acting like you already have the game won and disrespecting the Bentonville Coaching Staff or Kids.
Respect works both ways the same as sportsmanship. That can mean on a message board as well.
Quote from: Valleysports on September 04, 2013, 11:23:26 pm
Top two classifications 7A & 6A have 16 teams each. 12 teams go to the playoffs in 7A (4 skip the 1st round). Because some 6A and 7A teams, are in the same conference, the AAA decided to put all 16, 6A teams in the playoffs.
Incorrect.
Although it should be blamed on the AAA for allowing something like this to happen, this one actually wasn't the AAA's fault.
It was the principals of the Class 6A schools, by a 14-2 vote in a special mail ballot, that chose all 6A schools should go to the playoffs, according to a story in the ADG in August 2011.
However, the 6A schools did vote that only 12 will go, starting this year.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 11:32:45 pm
Really? You were fine with letting it lay? So that's why you took it upon yourself to go look up Coach Lunney's records and then state...It's my conclusion that Coach Lineweaver is the Superior Coach?
Another thing....I didn't ASK you anything. Your buddy asked me if I thought that Lunney was > than Lineweaver and I posted my opinion. You are the one wanting all the stats etc. Not I.
You sir, also came on this message board stating all these stats about how high and mighty Texas is. And that is fine to have team support but don't expect us not to so the same.
I even very sweetly welcomed you to FF when you joined. Go look that up.
I also posted a few minutes ago....very nicely...Texas, Glad you looked up Coach Lunneys Record. You took it to the next step by saying because I didn't back up my point. But oh yeah....you want to let it lay. Bull.
You are extremely well versed in taking things out of context and twisting them to your liking.
You sir, are the one that posted that the Coaching was a WASH and then....I hope that clears things up! Really? I think not. I disagreed and still disagree with that statement. I don't know of you expect people just to roll over and let you disrespect a program in certain ways...and then act like you didnt say it but its not going to happen. You also posted YOUR OPINION the same way I posted mine. So whats the difference? Is it the fact that I disagreed with you? I think so. I was kidding about the woman reference. Apparently you want to come on here and tell us all how to post or how to avoid reading posts on a Message Board you don't even own. And I am rude? So be it. I posted I was praying for the players and that meant Both teams.....but yes I am an extremely rude person. I don't care if you call me a hypocrite or not. I don't care if you laugh till your stomach hurts. But I do care when you come on here acting like you already have the game won and disrespecting the Bentonville Coaching Staff or Kids.
Respect works both ways the same as sportsmanship. That can mean on a message board as well.
I'll just say.
Sorry. No hard feelings.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 04, 2013, 11:38:40 pm
Quote from: Valleysports on September 04, 2013, 11:23:26 pm
Top two classifications 7A & 6A have 16 teams each. 12 teams go to the playoffs in 7A (4 skip the 1st round). Because some 6A and 7A teams, are in the same conference, the AAA decided to put all 16, 6A teams in the playoffs.
Incorrect.
Although it should be blamed on the AAA for allowing something like this to happen, this one actually wasn't the AAA's fault.
It was the principals of the Class 6A schools, by a 14-2 vote in a special mail ballot, that chose all 6A schools should go to the playoffs, according to a story in the ADG in August 2011.
However, the 6A schools did vote that only 12 will go, starting this year.
Fault? I think it's a good thing - what the heck does it matter? Some 6A teams play 7A teams in their conference, other 6A teams only play 6A teams. The JOKE is 7A teams playing 6A teams in conference. No 7A Central Team will ever miss the playoffs, simply because 6A Hall & Parkview are Give-me's! Or 7A teams being crowned State Champs, after playing two post season games.
If you don't realize it, I'm making fun of you! ;D Acting like the 7A Playoffs are something special while 6A playoffs are an abomination to Arkansas Football.. Ha ha ha ha
Quote from: Texas on September 04, 2013, 11:41:27 pm
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 11:32:45 pm
Really? You were fine with letting it lay? So that's why you took it upon yourself to go look up Coach Lunney's records and then state...It's my conclusion that Coach Lineweaver is the Superior Coach?
Another thing....I didn't ASK you anything. Your buddy asked me if I thought that Lunney was > than Lineweaver and I posted my opinion. You are the one wanting all the stats etc. Not I.
You sir, also came on this message board stating all these stats about how high and mighty Texas is. And that is fine to have team support but don't expect us not to so the same.
I even very sweetly welcomed you to FF when you joined. Go look that up.
I also posted a few minutes ago....very nicely...Texas, Glad you looked up Coach Lunneys Record. You took it to the next step by saying because I didn't back up my point. But oh yeah....you want to let it lay. Bull.
You are extremely well versed in taking things out of context and twisting them to your liking.
You sir, are the one that posted that the Coaching was a WASH and then....I hope that clears things up! Really? I think not. I disagreed and still disagree with that statement. I don't know of you expect people just to roll over and let you disrespect a program in certain ways...and then act like you didnt say it but its not going to happen. You also posted YOUR OPINION the same way I posted mine. So whats the difference? Is it the fact that I disagreed with you? I think so. I was kidding about the woman reference. Apparently you want to come on here and tell us all how to post or how to avoid reading posts on a Message Board you don't even own. And I am rude? So be it. I posted I was praying for the players and that meant Both teams.....but yes I am an extremely rude person. I don't care if you call me a hypocrite or not. I don't care if you laugh till your stomach hurts. But I do care when you come on here acting like you already have the game won and disrespecting the Bentonville Coaching Staff or Kids.
Respect works both ways the same as sportsmanship. That can mean on a message board as well.
I'll just say.
Sorry. No hard feelings.
Lol! Is that an apology?
I'll Just Say? Really? Why post...I'll just say? Why not post and MEAN I AM SORRY. NO HARD FEELINGS?
Have a safe trip and enjoy the game.
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Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 04, 2013, 11:32:45 pm
Really? You were fine with letting it lay? So that's why you took it upon yourself to go look up Coach Lunney's records and then state...It's my conclusion that Coach Lineweaver is the Superior Coach?
Another thing....I didn't ASK you anything. Your buddy asked me if I thought that Lunney was > than Lineweaver and I posted my opinion. You are the one wanting all the stats etc. Not I.
You sir, also came on this message board stating all these stats about how high and mighty Texas is. And that is fine to have team support but don't expect us not to so the same.
I even very sweetly welcomed you to FF when you joined. Go look that up.
I also posted a few minutes ago....very nicely...Texas, Glad you looked up Coach Lunneys Record. You took it to the next step by saying because I didn't back up my point. But oh yeah....you want to let it lay. Bull.
You are extremely well versed in taking things out of context and twisting them to your liking.
You sir, are the one that posted that the Coaching was a WASH and then....I hope that clears things up! Really? I think not. I disagreed and still disagree with that statement. I don't know of you expect people just to roll over and let you disrespect a program in certain ways...and then act like you didnt say it but its not going to happen. You also posted YOUR OPINION the same way I posted mine. So whats the difference? Is it the fact that I disagreed with you? I think so. I was kidding about the woman reference. Apparently you want to come on here and tell us all how to post or how to avoid reading posts on a Message Board you don't even own. And I am rude? So be it. I posted I was praying for the players and that meant Both teams.....but yes I am an extremely rude person. I don't care if you call me a hypocrite or not. I don't care if you laugh till your stomach hurts. But I do care when you come on here acting like you already have the game won and disrespecting the Bentonville Coaching Staff or Kids.
Respect works both ways the same as sportsmanship. That can mean on a message board as well.
I'll just say.
Sorry. No hard feelings.
Lol! Is that an apology?
I'll Just Say? Really? Why post...I'll just say? Why not post and MEAN I AM SORRY. NO HARD FEELINGS?
Have a safe trip and enjoy the game.
I AM SORRY. NO HARD FEELINGS.
Lots of salt being tossed around here.
Lineweaver is better though.....
Quote from: businesstron on September 05, 2013, 09:00:12 pm
Lineweaver is better though.....
...than the guy at L.D. Bell
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Quote from: businesstron on September 05, 2013, 09:00:12 pm
Lineweaver is better though.....
...than the guy at L.D. Bell
True, but Coach Mark Smith is just starting as a head coach. Bell his his first HC job. FWIW, Bell has made the playoffs each season under Coach Smith and his team has improved each season as well. There are those of us (Trinity fans) that think it is only a matter of time, now that Bell has a good coach that they will finally beat Trinity (last beat Trinity in 1997). It may not be anytime in the next several seasons, but it will happen.
Like I said, I think the coaching is close enough to call it even. It doesn't mean that one staff may not game plan or adjust better than the other, that's football. It will come down to quality of players at all positions that will win this game. then there are always the crazy plays or bad turnovers that can affect the game. Should be fun.
I think that sounds fair......Go Bentonville beat those Texans! :)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 06, 2013, 08:49:43 am
Like I said, I think the coaching is close enough to call it even. It doesn't mean that one staff may not game plan or adjust better than the other, that's football. It will come down to quality of players at all positions that will win this game. then there are always the crazy plays or bad turnovers that can affect the game. Should be fun.
Thank you. That's pretty much the way I see it. Anything can happen on game day, good or bad to either team.
Billyo is one of the big teddy bears on the board. :)
Quote from: Texas on September 06, 2013, 09:07:47 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 06, 2013, 08:49:43 am
Like I said, I think the coaching is close enough to call it even. It doesn't mean that one staff may not game plan or adjust better than the other, that's football. It will come down to quality of players at all positions that will win this game. then there are always the crazy plays or bad turnovers that can affect the game. Should be fun.
Thank you. That's pretty much the way I see it. Anything can happen on game day, good or bad to either team.
You guys open with Jenks tomorrow, that should be a good football game.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 06, 2013, 09:11:02 am
Billyo is one of the big teddy bears on the board. :)
LOL- Now lets not exaggerate there Diehard! :)
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 06, 2013, 09:11:02 am
Billyo is one of the big teddy bears on the board. :)
Billyo is my second favorite Arkansas poster, behind you of course. ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 06, 2013, 09:14:48 am
You guys open with Jenks tomorrow, that should be a good football game.
Yep. Jenks is a pretty good team. I expect the game to be pretty competitive, for a while.
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Honestly, not real impressed with the Tigers tonight. Lot of mistakes, penalties (some questionable), turnovers and mediocre secondary play. No vertical passing game. O-line looked as advertised and running backs performed well. Not at all comfortable with our QB play. They better get focused real fast or it will be a long next three weeks.
First game of the season though. Gotta look to improve a little each week, then a full head of steam by conference play.
All I can say is if we play like that we have ZERO chance at beating Trinity, We can't pass the ball at all. Very disappointed in the way we looked overall. There were some bright spots, The run D looked very good. The DB's are going to get burned this year over the top, just be prepared for it.
If the lack of a passing game continues, you definitely have ZERO chance of beating Trinity.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 11:46:45 am
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Quote from: Texas on September 06, 2013, 10:42:55 pm
Quote from: TigerDad2013 on September 06, 2013, 10:36:17 pm
Honestly, not real impressed with the Tigers tonight. Lot of mistakes, penalties (some questionable), turnovers and mediocre secondary play. No vertical passing game. O-line looked as advertised and running backs performed well. Not at all comfortable with our QB play. They better get focused real fast or it will be a long next three weeks.
First game of the season though. Gotta look to improve a little each week, then a full head of steam by conference play.
All I can say is if we play like that we have ZERO chance at beating Trinity, We can't pass the ball at all. Very disappointed in the way we looked overall. There were some bright spots, The run D looked very good. The DB's are going to get burned this year over the top, just be prepared for it.
If the lack of a passing game continues, you definitely have ZERO chance of beating Trinity.
I won't argue with that, but I doubt Trinity will run the ball down our throat. Some of these things may even out. Looks like we got a couple of head hunters on Defense, that was good to see.
Just for you Texas Boys, Trinity is no bigger than Rockhurst.
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
That's fine, you may not beat Jenks and I think Desoto will hammer on you guys. The Haka crew may be a little cranky when they roll into Bentonville. I'll be surprised if Trinity lines up three guys on the d-Line all 6-5" and 280-300lbs.
I think the Texas Tongans are a little worried about their first game against the " Pretty Good" team they play today in their first game. At least they said it may be a good game " For awhile".
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:55:45 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
That's fine, you may not beat Jenks and I think Desoto will hammer on you guys. The Haka crew may be a little cranky when they roll into Bentonville. I'll be surprised if Trinity lines up three guys on the d-Line all 6-5" and 280-300lbs.
I doubt Bentonville runs all over Trinity.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:55:45 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
That's fine, you may not beat Jenks and I think Desoto will hammer on you guys. The Haka crew may be a little cranky when they roll into Bentonville. I'll be surprised if Trinity lines up three guys on the d-Line all 6-5" and 280-300lbs.
OK
Give us a prediction score for the Jenks game today.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:23:14 pm
Just for you Texas Boys, Trinity is no bigger than Rockhurst.
They are bigger where it counts.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 02:21:27 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:23:14 pm
Just for you Texas Boys, Trinity is no bigger than Rockhurst.
They are bigger where it counts.
Where's that, The HAIR! many of your boys do seem to have some big Hair! ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 02:00:28 pm
Give us a prediction score for the Jenks game today.
I don't give specific scores in my predictions. In fact I'm leery of giving a prediction since this is the first game. I have not seen them play this season. I do think the first half will be tight-ish. I believe Trinity will pull away in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I can see ultimately anywhere from a 14 to 24 point spread in the end.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 02:21:27 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:23:14 pm
Just for you Texas Boys, Trinity is no bigger than Rockhurst.
They are bigger where it counts.
Wait. That didn't come out right. SMH.
Jenks might very well win today and Desoto will be favorites for sure.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 02:30:52 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 02:00:28 pm
Give us a prediction score for the Jenks game today.
I don't give specific scores in my predictions. In fact I'm leery of giving a prediction since this is the first game. I have not seen them play this season. I do think the first half will be tight-ish. I believe Trinity will pull away in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I can see ultimately anywhere from a 14 to 24 point spread in the end.
Honestly I don't either very often, I did guess 24-14 over Rockhurst, It was 24-21 and we gave them their first two TD's. We kicked off to them to start the game, held them to three and out and they punted, we fumbled, did the same thing two minutes later. Against a good team that can be a tough thing to overcome. And there may have been some major home cooking by the refs and the clock operator. But as a visitor you almost expect that sometimes.
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 02:33:53 pm
Jenks might very well win today and Desoto will be favorites for sure.
I can see Trinity winning by 2 TD's at Jenks or losing in a close one and Losing a tough game at DeSoto. At least you guys didn't pick some marshmallows for the first two games of the year.
As a favor can any of you Texas guys update the scores against Jenks during the game tonight? That would be awesome. I have to attend a wedding.. yuk! But I have a phone! ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 02:46:35 pm
As a favor can any of you Texas guys update the scores against Jenks during the game tonight? That would be awesome. I have to attend a wedding.. yuk! But I have a phone! ;)
Sure thing. I'll try to remember to do that.
Also, for anyone interested, there is a radio broadcast. Jenks and Trinity ain't rich like all y'all Wal-Mart millionaires in Waltonville, ;D so we don't have a video webcast like y'all do.
Texas broadcast
http://www.championsportsradio.com/trinity.html
Oklahoma broadcast.
http://www.935chromefm.com/main.html
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 02:54:01 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 02:46:35 pm
As a favor can any of you Texas guys update the scores against Jenks during the game tonight? That would be awesome. I have to attend a wedding.. yuk! But I have a phone! ;)
Sure thing. I'll try to remember to do that.
Also, for anyone interested, there is a radio broadcast. Jenks and Trinity ain't rich like all y'all Wal-Mart millionaires in Waltonville, ;D so we don't have a video webcast like y'all do.
Texas broadcast
http://www.championsportsradio.com/trinity.html
Oklahoma broadcast.
http://www.935chromefm.com/main.html
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 02:00:28 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 07, 2013, 01:56:21 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:55:45 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
That's fine, you may not beat Jenks and I think Desoto will hammer on you guys. The Haka crew may be a little cranky when they roll into Bentonville. I'll be surprised if Trinity lines up three guys on the d-Line all 6-5" and 280-300lbs.
OK
Give us a prediction score for the Jenks game today.
A Trinity win.
Desoto up 15-6 over Union early if you care, BillyO. Both teams sloppy.
DeSoto 29
Union 20
Halftime
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 05:57:10 pm
DeSoto 29
Union 20
Halftime
Thanks for the update. Please keep us posted if you can.
Can't listen to it in the middle of the Hog game.
37-20 6 mins left.
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 06:46:58 pm
37-20 6 mins left.
Thanks. I'm actually surprised Union is playing Desoto that close.
I'm guessing the next game will be even closer.
DeSoto is good, but against a good defensive team, they are beatable.
Desoto looks disinterested and Union is playing their hearts out. 44-20, 3:11 left.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 06:50:35 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 06:46:58 pm
37-20 6 mins left.
Thanks. I'm actually surprised Union is playing Desoto that close.
I'm guessing the next game will be even closer.
I would think.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 07, 2013, 06:57:55 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 06:50:35 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 06:46:58 pm
37-20 6 mins left.
Thanks. I'm actually surprised Union is playing Desoto that close.
I'm guessing the next game will be even closer.
I would think.
No disrespect to Trinity, I know they are solid, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jenks wins the game.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:00:16 pm
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 07, 2013, 06:57:55 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 06:50:35 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 06:46:58 pm
37-20 6 mins left.
Thanks. I'm actually surprised Union is playing Desoto that close.
I'm guessing the next game will be even closer.
I would think.
No disrespect to Trinity, I know they are solid, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jenks wins the game.
Is Jenks better?
DeSoto wins 44-20.
Jenks traditionally is slightly better than Union, and from what I read Trinity is not as strong as Desoto right now. I might be way off; we'll see.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:06:01 pm
Jenks traditionally is slightly better than Union, and from what I read Trinity is not as strong as Desoto right now. I might be way off; we'll see.
Match ups aren't always the same against different opponents.
I don't follow TX HS football like some on here, so tell me if i'm wrong. I've just read that Desoto has been a top 10 national program the past couple of years and Trinity has been down (for them). I know they are still a big time program, but so is Jenks.
I will be very impressed if Trinity wins by more than 2 TD's.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 07, 2013, 07:07:32 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:06:01 pm
Jenks traditionally is slightly better than Union, and from what I read Trinity is not as strong as Desoto right now. I might be way off; we'll see.
Match ups aren't always the same against different opponents.
Agree completely
Just from all the reading Jenks is breaking in alot of new faces on offense this year. They'll have a pretty good defense though. I'll take Trinity's D-line against their o-line. If Trinity's running backs pan out I think they'll win. It's really hard to say who or what without seeing em both play.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:14:02 pm
I don't follow TX HS football like some on here, so tell me if i'm wrong. I've just read that Desoto has been a top 10 national program the past couple of years and Trinity has been down (for them). I know they are still a big time program, but so is Jenks.
I will be very impressed if Trinity wins by more than 2 TD's.
Sometimes you have to consider the sources.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:14:02 pm
I don't follow TX HS football like some on here, so tell me if i'm wrong. I've just read that Desoto has been a top 10 national program the past couple of years and Trinity has been down (for them). I know they are still a big time program, but so is Jenks.
I will be very impressed if Trinity wins by more than 2 TD's.
Prepare to be impressed.
If you guys don't mind, please share scoring updates. Thanks so much.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 07:48:37 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 07:14:02 pm
I don't follow TX HS football like some on here, so tell me if i'm wrong. I've just read that Desoto has been a top 10 national program the past couple of years and Trinity has been down (for them). I know they are still a big time program, but so is Jenks.
I will be very impressed if Trinity wins by more than 2 TD's.
Prepare to be impressed.
If Trinity thumps Jenks, I will gladly admit I am wrong. I will also not feel very good about the game at Bville in a couple of weeks.
Jenks 0
Trinity 0
11:56, 1st
Lol
Trinity 7
Jenks 0
10:11, 1st
Ellensworth long td run 66 yards
Jenks 0
Trinity 7
10:11, 1st
4 plays, option run. Ellsworth, gone. About 70 yard run.
Big kick off return by Jenks. Jenks punches it in.
Jenks 7
Trinity 7
8:23, 1st
This one is going to be super physical.
Jenks has pretty good run defense up the middle.
It sounds like Trinity isn't have much of a problem running the ball on Jenks.
Jenks 7
Trinity 13
4:31 1st
XP off upright
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 08:40:00 pm
Jenks 7
Trinity 13
4:31 1st
XP off upright
Thanks for the updates.
Jenks with -2 yards on that possession.
Jenks 7
Trinity 13
End of 1st
A lot of first game jitters. Sloppy plays.
Tied at 13. 4:20 left in 2nd.
Halftime. Game tied at 13.
Halftime Stats
Total yards
Trinity 231
Jenks 120
First downs
Trinity 10
Jenks 8
Notable Individual stats
Jenks
Cooper Nunley 4-7 69 yards 1 TD
Trinity
Ja'Ron Wilson 7 rushes 85 yards 1 TD
Isaac Ellsworth 5 rushes 62 yards 1 TD
Trinity 16
Jenks 13
9:11, 3rd
Trinity 23
Jenks 13
5:48 3rd
Another big 60 or so yard run by Ellsworth.
Sounds like a good game so far. Fewer 2nd half mistakes, I assume?
Looks like Jenks has brought it to 23-20 E Trinity in the 3rd.
Drove to Mt. Pleasant, TX today to see some evangelists from Brazil our business supports. It was a blessing to hear (on a Tulsa STRONG FM station) the De Soto/Union game while driving over Rich Mountain and the huge, remote hills of south LeFlore and McCurtain Counties. Sadly, sounded like someone got a serious injury during that game (carted off on a gurney)...hope they're OK.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 07, 2013, 10:30:55 pm
Looks like Jenks has brought it to 23-20 E Trinity in the 3rd.
Drove to Mt. Pleasant, TX today to see some evangelists from Brazil our business supports. It was a blessing to hear (on a Tulsa STRONG FM station) the De Soto/Union game while driving over Rich Mountain and the huge, remote hills of south LeFlore and McCurtain Counties. Sadly, sounded like someone got a serious injury during that game (carted off on a gurney)...hope they're OK.
Hadn't heard that yet.
Me either. Pray that he is OK.
Jenks 27
Trinity 23
Jenks lead 27-23. Good game.
How much time is left? Thanks for all the updates.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 07, 2013, 10:40:07 pm
How much time is left? Thanks for all the updates.
1:36 in the 3rd
Just listening.... Jenks made big plays on 3rd downs and Trinity had too many penalties. With around 90 seconds let they got down to the Jenks 20 in position to score. They have two false starts later and that's the game.
After Trinity's long TD run in the 3rd their offense didn't do much. Their defense gave up some plays in the third but they basically shut Jenks down for 3 or 4 straight drives. There were good and bad points for both teams. They pretty much shut down Jenks running game and their offense did rush for over 300 yards.... Couldn't pass for anything though.
I'll be surprise if they beat Desoto next week. They are just a bad matchup for Trinity.
Trinity sucks this year. Need a new QB.
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Fifteen penalties and 6 Personal foul calls..??..??..??
I ain't sayin' that Linkletter ain't a good coach....but well coached teams don't play that way....
I can tell you this with great confidence.....a Barry Lunney coached team ain't doin' that....EVER...
After Trinity takes a curb stomping at the hands of Desoto next week and then has to bus 7 hours to Bentonville, we will see if you boys from Texas have overplayed your hands here on our fine board....
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Not all valid, but clearly some work needs to be done. Some over aggressive plays. One particular personal foul came on a Jenks pass play where the receiver got tackled and was clearly down. He got back up and started running for the end zone and was tackled by a Trinity player. The thing is, no whistle had blown until after he was tackled the 2nd time. Play to the whistle. Jenks stayed with it. We had some DB injuries and Jenks started picking on one particular backup who couldn't cover very well. And yes, the passing game sucked.
Good evening
We have no QB. NOT AT ALL. IT is just sickening watching our quarterbacks the last three seasons and 1 game. Just sickening.
Here is the kicker......we got one that HAS TOO BE Better that has been riding the bench for 2 years.
Our coach is too loyal too his players sometimes.
I have seen 6 high schools games this year. I don't know if there have been some rule changes, but the penalties are getting out of hand. Tonight I bet there were over 20 combined that were accepted. The worst I have seen so far was a game with 29 accepted. The games are averaging 15 or so penalties. The vast majority of them are false starts and illegal procedure on the offensive lines. So there must have been a rule change that coaches are not use to yet.
Tonight Trinity had a few delay of games. Our coaches were not getting the play into the QB until 11 or so seconds then he had to make adjustments.....and then the whistle would blow.
OUR QUARTERBACK SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We did run for 300 yards but 141 if that came on 2 carries. So we really averaged 5 yards a carry. Those touchdowns were the same kid. If he is not touched he will score. If he is breathed on then he goes down.
The Desoto game did have a kid get injured. He was a defensive lineman. Another Desoto kid was ejected for 'targeting". He assisted on a tackle and they called a personal foul on him. He will have to miss the first half of the Trinity game as well.
Union had 2 kids get injured and not return.
In both games the Oklahoma players took the brunt of the physical punishment. It did seem that Jenks had better conditioning though. I think the Trinity kids ran out of steam. Their pass rush disappeared. The D-line had no push at all in the 4th quarter. For the first three they destroyed the Jenks o-line. I mean that seriously. It was destroyed. Poor #55 for jenks was getting beat silly.
Jenks won because they had superior quarterback and superior coaching tonight. They were able to overcome penalties as well. A 5 yard penalty was death for Trinity tonight.
Thankyou
Good Evening
We also left 18 points in the red zone. At one point it should have been 41-13 Trinity. We just could not get out of our own way.
I don't know how many of you saw the Pearland game.......this was a carbon copy. Down to the final drive petering out at the 30.
Guinard has to start at QB. HE HAS TOO!!!! If not we might go 5-5 this year.
The real killer is that for as undisciplined as our defense played tonight, Jenks could not run at all, and we got 3 interceptions.
We just could not convert those. Our quarterback just sucks. SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
If we could complete 10 passes for 140 yards with just one of those being a 40 yard bomb then we will rush for 500 a game. No doubt. The DB's will have to be honest and defend the deep pass. Otherwise it is just going to be tough sledding.
My god our quarterback sucks.
BTW, Trinity had 15 penalties for 115 yards, but Jenks had 14 penalties for 114 yards, so the officiating crew was busy. A combination of bad officiating and bad play for both teams.
Good Evening
as for that personal foul where we hit the kid after he got up.....it really was blown out of proportion by our side. That is a lack of focus. It was going to be 2nd and goal at the 4. Instead it ended up being 1st and goal at the 2. Big deal. The defense still gave up the TD pass to a WIDE OPEN tight end.
thankyou
Good evening
Can someone please tell me if they have ever heard of this totally messed up penalty before???????????
Jenks jumps into the neutral zone. Our center snaps the ball. Our QB throws a pass down the sideline. The WR never moves. NO ONE moves except for the QB. No pass rush. No blocking. None of the kids do anything except for the QB. SO the refs get together and talk for 90 seconds and then throw a flag down. They call INTENTIONAL GROUNDING against Trinity and we loose 3 yards because the QB was not out of the pocket. If that is the case would not every single incomplete pass be intentional grounding. There was no pass rush. No one rushed. Everyone was stopped except for the QB.
Amazing.
Quote from: businesstron on September 07, 2013, 11:30:09 pm
Just listening.... Jenks made big plays on 3rd downs and Trinity had too many penalties. With around 90 seconds let they got down to the Jenks 20 in position to score. They have two false starts later and that's the game.
After Trinity's long TD run in the 3rd their offense didn't do much. Their defense gave up some plays in the third but they basically shut Jenks down for 3 or 4 straight drives. There were good and bad points for both teams. They pretty much shut down Jenks running game and their offense did rush for over 300 yards.... Couldn't pass for anything though.
I'll be surprise if they beat Desoto next week. They are just a bad matchup for Trinity.
I really don't know why you say that. Trinity will absolutely not beat DeSoto or any decent team with the QB they have. However if Trinity had a decent QB, they would absolutely beat DeSoto every time. Trinity has played DeSoto and similar style of teams many times with only a few losses. DeSoto is not a bad matchup. Typically what happens vs. DeSoto type teams against Trinity, is Trinity power runs all over them. Right up the gut. Trinity doesn't get very many big plays, because those teams are so fast, but they move the ball at will against them. On defense, those teams score a few times on big breakaway plays, but otherwise they really don't do much.
God evening
More bad officiating I have seen.....in a different game.
A school called Haltom has a 1st and goal at the 3 just prior to half. Well the band is in that endzone prepping for their show. The Haltom kids line up to score their touchdown. Someone in the band starts blowing a whistle. About half the kids stand up. The referee throws a flag against Haltom for false start. Would it not make more sense for the referee to yell at the band and tell them to NOT BLOW A WHISTLE instead of punishing a team for false start.
We heard the whistle in the stands. The players were protesting saying they thought a referee had blown a whistle. Whatever, they ended up scoring anyway.
Between Referees and Quarterbacks football can really suck sometimes.
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 11:48:02 pm
Trinity sucks this year. Need a new QB.
What?
One game and its Trinity Sucks? Our QB Sucks?
I'm confused Texas. Care to explain?
I wouldn't over-react to one loss. As I said last night, Jenks has a very, very good program. Every year as long as I can remember they are one of the top teams in OK.
They kind of remind me of what Springdale used to be in AR before the split. Even on a down year, they can beat anyone.
Trintity will more than likely be 0-2 and be very hungry when they come to Bville. Will be a great game for sure, but Bville aslo has a lot to work on before then. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose to Broken Arrow this week. BA is another top OK team, with tons of talent. Bville will have to throw the ball downfield some or it will be a long night.
Two good coaches, both will make adjustments before we play in two weeks.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 08, 2013, 06:53:48 am
I wouldn't over-react to one loss. As I said last night, Jenks has a very, very good program. Every year as long as I can remember they are one of the top teams in OK.
They kind of remind me of what Springdale used to be in AR before the split. Even on a down year, they can beat anyone.
Trintity will more than likely be 0-2 and be very hungry when they come to Bville. Will be a great game for sure, but Bville aslo has a lot to work on before then. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose to Broken Arrow this week. BA is another top OK team, with tons of talent. Bville will have to throw the ball downfield some or it will be a long night.
Two good coaches, both will make adjustments before we play in two weeks.
Yep. If Trinity sticks it out with this QB, they will definitely be 0-2 coming into the NWA. If they switch QB I think they have a legit chance of beating DeSoto.
Jenks is a solid program, that is for sure. With that being said, Trinity dominated Jenks all night. Trinity led from the get go and was ahead 23-13 at one point. Trinity just shot themselves in the foot with drive killing penalties late in the game. Not to mention, if it's 3rd and long, drive over. No converting on a passing play. Jenks has a solid defense. Trinity got some big rushing plays on them, but otherwise, pretty solid. Still, take away the big plays and Trinity still averages about 5 yards a carry. I mentioned injuries in Trinity's secondary. Well Jenks was picking on one guy most of the 2nd half. A big weak link. Even so, Jenks QB completed 50% of his passes and threw three TD's and three INT's. Jenks is not normally a passing team. They are a smash mouth run down your throat team. They ran for less than 90 yards on Trinity.
Basically Trinity beat themselves last night. Along with some bad luck. Two kicks, one on the first XP and one on a FG attempt at the end of the half, hit the upright and were no good. Crazy.
So the MO in Texas is to give up on your team after game one and start calling out individual players? Pretty sad if you ask me.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 08, 2013, 05:52:33 am
Quote from: Texas on September 07, 2013, 11:48:02 pm
Trinity sucks this year. Need a new QB.
What?
One game and its Trinity Sucks? Our QB Sucks?
I'm confused Texas. Care to explain?
He's overreacting. That game was extremely winnable last night, but there's zero threat of a passing game right now, which is why he (and lots of Trinity fans) are upset. Trinity beat up Jenks pretty good up front but had zero passing game of their own and Jenks exploited a situation in Trinity's pass defense after it became clear they weren't going to win in the trenches. I'm sure Lunney saw the weakness loud & clear, adjustments are needed big time from Trinity if they're going to beat any good teams this year.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 08, 2013, 09:35:52 am
So the MO in Texas is to give up on your team after game one and start calling out individual players? Pretty sad if you ask me.
I'm not giving up on them.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 07, 2013, 12:55:45 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 07, 2013, 12:49:42 pm
Maybe, but I'll betcha Trinity's better.
That's fine, you may not beat Jenks and I think Desoto will hammer on you guys. The Haka crew may be a little cranky when they roll into Bentonville. I'll be surprised if Trinity lines up three guys on the d-Line all 6-5" and 280-300lbs.
uh-oh! Here we go!
Sounds like Trinity and Bentonville have some of the same issues. Of course we both have only played one game and both played against good football teams.
Quote from: Texas on September 08, 2013, 09:33:48 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 08, 2013, 06:53:48 am
I wouldn't over-react to one loss. As I said last night, Jenks has a very, very good program. Every year as long as I can remember they are one of the top teams in OK.
They kind of remind me of what Springdale used to be in AR before the split. Even on a down year, they can beat anyone.
Trintity will more than likely be 0-2 and be very hungry when they come to Bville. Will be a great game for sure, but Bville aslo has a lot to work on before then. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose to Broken Arrow this week. BA is another top OK team, with tons of talent. Bville will have to throw the ball downfield some or it will be a long night.
Two good coaches, both will make adjustments before we play in two weeks.
Yep. If Trinity sticks it out with this QB, they will definitely be 0-2 coming into the NWA. If they switch QB I think they have a legit chance of beating DeSoto.
Jenks is a solid program, that is for sure. With that being said, Trinity dominated Jenks all night. Trinity led from the get go and was ahead 23-13 at one point. Trinity just shot themselves in the foot with drive killing penalties late in the game. Not to mention, if it's 3rd and long, drive over. No converting on a passing play. Jenks has a solid defense. Trinity got some big rushing plays on them, but otherwise, pretty solid. Still, take away the big plays and Trinity still averages about 5 yards a carry. I mentioned injuries in Trinity's secondary. Well Jenks was picking on one guy most of the 2nd half. A big weak link. Even so, Jenks QB completed 50% of his passes and threw three TD's and three INT's. Jenks is not normally a passing team. They are a smash mouth run down your throat team. They ran for less than 90 yards on Trinity.
Basically Trinity beat themselves last night. Along with some bad luck. Two kicks, one on the first XP and one on a FG attempt at the end of the half, hit the upright and were no good. Crazy.
Are you saying maybe your coach wasn't smart enough to pick the best starting QB? I say that tongue in cheek. Bentonville in recent history has been able to run or pass depending on what the defenses gave us, so far from what I've seen the passing isn't there at all just as you say Trinity had problems with in their first game. This may be an interesting match up. May be a big battle in the trenches old school down and dirty kind of game.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 08, 2013, 09:35:52 am
So the MO in Texas is to give up on your team after game one and start calling out individual players? Pretty sad if you ask me.
Agreed.
Quote from: Texas on September 08, 2013, 02:03:24 am
Quote from: businesstron on September 07, 2013, 11:30:09 pm
Just listening.... Jenks made big plays on 3rd downs and Trinity had too many penalties. With around 90 seconds let they got down to the Jenks 20 in position to score. They have two false starts later and that's the game.
After Trinity's long TD run in the 3rd their offense didn't do much. Their defense gave up some plays in the third but they basically shut Jenks down for 3 or 4 straight drives. There were good and bad points for both teams. They pretty much shut down Jenks running game and their offense did rush for over 300 yards.... Couldn't pass for anything though.
I'll be surprise if they beat Desoto next week. They are just a bad matchup for Trinity.
I really don't know why you say that. Trinity will absolutely not beat DeSoto or any decent team with the QB they have. However if Trinity had a decent QB, they would absolutely beat DeSoto every time. Trinity has played DeSoto and similar style of teams many times with only a few losses. DeSoto is not a bad matchup. Typically what happens vs. DeSoto type teams against Trinity, is Trinity power runs all over them. Right up the gut. Trinity doesn't get very many big plays, because those teams are so fast, but they move the ball at will against them. On defense, those teams score a few times on big breakaway plays, but otherwise they really don't do much.
Not necessarily because they are that type of team but because they have speed and aren't afraid to go down field with it. When Trinity has play really good spread teams that are balanced like Allen, Desoto ( just last year) or even Coppell in 2010 they have struggled to stop them. Especially if they have a mobile QB that can pass.
Seeing what Desoto did to them last year I don't think they are gonna be able to go blow for blow with them.... especially if they come out one dimensional.
TEAM STATS
Euless Trinity Jenks
Total yards 365 269
Rushes/Yds 34/309 37/88
Average rush 9.09 2.38
Comp-Att-Int 6-16-1 12-24-3
Pass yards 56 181
Comp pct 37.5 50
Trinity is going to win a lot of football games this year because of the bolded portion. There are probably less than 20 programs in the nation who can do that to Jenks and dominate them that badly at their own game.
However, they will probably not win the big ones because of the underlined portion. You can't beat elite football teams completing 37% of your passes.
If that gets fixed, Trinity can play with (and beat) anyone. If not, Desoto will beat em, they'll lose in round 3 to Southlake Carroll, and Bentonville is liable to get a win against them also.
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 03:21:22 pm
TEAM STATS
Euless Trinity Jenks
Total yards 365 269
Rushes/Yds 34/309 37/88
Average rush 9.09 2.38
Comp-Att-Int 6-16-1 12-24-3
Pass yards 56 181
Comp pct 37.5 50
Trinity is going to win a lot of football games this year because of the bolded portion. There are probably less than 20 programs in the nation who can do that to Jenks and dominate them that badly at their own game.
However, they will probably not win the big ones because of the underlined portion. You can't beat elite football teams completing 37% of your passes.
If that gets fixed, Trinity can play with (and beat) anyone. If not, Desoto will beat em, they'll lose in round 3 to Southlake Carroll, and Bentonville is liable to get a win against them also.
I would agree with all you said, but it was one game, yes if they do that repeatedly you are correct.
Quote from: businesstron on September 08, 2013, 02:38:13 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 08, 2013, 02:03:24 am
Quote from: businesstron on September 07, 2013, 11:30:09 pm
Just listening.... Jenks made big plays on 3rd downs and Trinity had too many penalties. With around 90 seconds let they got down to the Jenks 20 in position to score. They have two false starts later and that's the game.
After Trinity's long TD run in the 3rd their offense didn't do much. Their defense gave up some plays in the third but they basically shut Jenks down for 3 or 4 straight drives. There were good and bad points for both teams. They pretty much shut down Jenks running game and their offense did rush for over 300 yards.... Couldn't pass for anything though.
I'll be surprise if they beat Desoto next week. They are just a bad matchup for Trinity.
I really don't know why you say that. Trinity will absolutely not beat DeSoto or any decent team with the QB they have. However if Trinity had a decent QB, they would absolutely beat DeSoto every time. Trinity has played DeSoto and similar style of teams many times with only a few losses. DeSoto is not a bad matchup. Typically what happens vs. DeSoto type teams against Trinity, is Trinity power runs all over them. Right up the gut. Trinity doesn't get very many big plays, because those teams are so fast, but they move the ball at will against them. On defense, those teams score a few times on big breakaway plays, but otherwise they really don't do much.
Not necessarily because they are that type of team but because they have speed and aren't afraid to go down field with it. When Trinity has play really good spread teams that are balanced like Allen, Desoto ( just last year) or even Coppell in 2010 they have struggled to stop them. Especially if they have a mobile QB that can pass.
Seeing what Desoto did to them last year I don't think they are gonna be able to go blow for blow with them.... especially if they come out one dimensional.
Okay I guess I need you to clarify further then, cause when you say DeSoto is a bad matchup for Trinity, what are you referring to? If you simply mean spread teams, that covers a lot of teams in Texas. Trinity wins most of their games, so you can't just mean that. I assume you were referring to very athletic speed teams.
I classify DeSoto with Cedar Hill, Arlington Martin, Arlington Bowie, Skyline. IE tons of athletes.
Allen with Southlake Carroll, Colleyville Heritage, Lake Travis, Westlake, and the like.
Please clarify.
Businesstron,
Reading your responses on this thread is like watching Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow in a "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie.
He IS a pirate. But you know that when the movie's over he'll still be good ol' Jack Sparrow. (Without mascara, I'm guessing, in your case.)
I really hate to see how Trinity reacts after getting face slapped silly by Desoto and rolling into Bennie town 0-2. With Cranky Haka Hair.
Good afternoon
I don't even know what to say. Yes tons of over reaction on my part. Based mostly in frustration at penalties in every game I have seen this year and then multiplied by what looks like a fourth year of simply terrible quarterback play.
The penalties this year are stunning. In every game I have seen. I have seen 7 so far and it is just unbelievable. If 5a football ever gets back up I will ask over there if there has been a rule change.
The quarterback play. What is so frustrating is that I can already see the end of the season. Either the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs. And it will be a bad loss. A game in which there is no hope going in. That's not sour grapes or coach bashing or player bashing.....it is just life and a fact. We will enter the game with a weakness and the opponent will take advantage and beat us with it. The part that is sickening is when there is another option on the bench and he is never allowed to take a shot.
Good Afternoon
Another odd penalty from last night. A Jenks player was flagged for a personal foul for continuing to play after his helmet got knocked off. Odd.
Thankyou
Hmm. Okay Bussinesstron I have reread your post and I think I know now what you are talking about. Balanced spread teams. You mentioned Allen, DeSoto and Coppell.
By struggle, if you mean a close competitive game where those opponents are no push overs and you ain't gonna just show up and blow their doors off, I can buy that.
Trinity's record vs. these teams in the last decade or so.
DeSoto 2-3
Allen 3-2
Coppell 2-0
Add in Cedar Hill, Bowie and Stony Point
CHill 1-1
STP 2-0
Arlington Bowie 1-0
That's 11-6
So your point is valid, though they still win more than lose, and DeSoto is the only team that has a winning record against Trinity, so there's that too.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 08, 2013, 05:40:31 pm
I really hate to see how Trinity reacts after getting face slapped silly by Desoto and rolling into Bennie town 0-2. With Cranky Haka Hair.
We already expect to lose to DeSoto. I just hope to see some unforced errors improved upon.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 08, 2013, 06:13:33 pm
Good Afternoon
Another odd penalty from last night. A Jenks player was flagged for a personal foul for continuing to play after his helmet got knocked off. Odd.
Thankyou
Illegal participation. Once a player loses his helmet, his is supposed to stop playing. It's a leftist, communist, socialist, pansy rule, but it is a rule. Safety issue. It is odd that they called it a personal foul, but it falls under that category.
Good Afternoon
Here are the starting lineups against Jenks. This will give you an idea of what Trinity brings to the game this year. I will list many more defensive players because they rotate so often. The kids with a * could be considered the "true" starters.
Trinity Offense
T 79 Devin Lewis.......................6-7.....315
G 70 Mosese Vakasiuola..............6-1.....255
C 77 Patrick Vahe......................6-3.....276 Jr.
G 66 Moses Ngungutau...............6-2.....304
T 76 Lem Galeai........................6-5......331
TE 40 Will Taylor........................6-3.....263 *
TE 87 Inoke Langi.......................6-4.....225
FB 22 Homer Babcock..................5-8.....189
HB 28 Ja'Ron Wilson....................5-11....175 Soph.
HB 24 Issac Ellsworth..................5-5.....143 *
QB 12 Christian Hammack.............5-11...163
Trinity Defense
DE 7 Christopher Daniels............6-4.....268 * Soph.
DT 95 Hafoka Olie.......................6-0.....283 *
DT 96 Eddie Ngungutau...............6-3.....314 *
DE 55 Anthony Fa'amu................6-1.....247 * Jr.
LB 17 TJ Kautai.........................6-0.....207 Jr.
LB 6 Inoke Ngalo.....................5-11....209
LB 9 Turner Woolley.................6-1.....216
CB 21 Matthew Munoz................5-9.....167......Jr.
CB 3 Vill Carter........................6-1.....198
S 2 Dany Mulanga..................6-4.....192
LB/S 14 George Moeakiola..............6-1.....207 *
DL 32 Tipa Galeai.......................6-5......220
DL 56 Bytarias Duncan................5-10....247
DL 89 Jaylon Bevil......................6-2......234 Soph.
DL 92 PJ Helu............................6-1......214
DL 97 Sunia Makahununiu............6-1......301
LB 98 Tobias Natee....................6-1......238 Jr.
LB/S 5 Tyler Hayes.....................6-0.....201
Quote from: Texas on September 08, 2013, 06:26:10 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 08, 2013, 05:40:31 pm
I really hate to see how Trinity reacts after getting face slapped silly by Desoto and rolling into Bennie town 0-2. With Cranky Haka Hair.
We already expect to lose to DeSoto. I just hope to see some unforced errors improved upon.
I think Bentonville fans would like to see less unforced errors by the Tigers also.
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 08, 2013, 06:38:36 pm
Good Afternoon
Here are the starting lineups against Jenks. This will give you an idea of what Trinity brings to the game this year. I will list many more defensive players because they rotate so often. The kids with a * could be considered the "true" starters.
Trinity Offense
T 79 Devin Lewis.......................6-7.....315
G 70 Mosese Vakasiuola..............6-1.....255
C 77 Patrick Vahe......................6-3.....276 Jr.
G 66 Moses Ngungutau...............6-2.....304
T 76 Lem Galeai........................6-5......331
TE 40 Will Taylor........................6-3.....263 *
TE 87 Inoke Langi.......................6-4.....225
FB 22 Homer Babcock..................5-8.....189
HB 28 Ja'Ron Wilson....................5-11....175 Soph.
HB 24 Issac Ellsworth..................5-5.....143 *
QB 12 Christian Hammack.............5-11...163
Trinity Defense
DE 7 Christopher Daniels............6-4.....268 * Soph.
DT 95 Hafoka Olie.......................6-0.....283 *
DT 96 Eddie Ngungutau...............6-3.....314 *
DE 55 Anthony Fa'amu................6-1.....247 * Jr.
LB 17 TJ Kautai.........................6-0.....207 Jr.
LB 6 Inoke Ngalo.....................5-11....209
LB 9 Turner Woolley.................6-1.....216
CB 21 Matthew Munoz................5-9.....167......Jr.
CB 3 Vill Carter........................6-1.....198
S 2 Dany Mulanga..................6-4.....192
LB/S 14 George Moeakiola..............6-1.....207 *
DL 32 Tipa Galeai.......................6-5......220
DL 56 Bytarias Duncan................5-10....247
DL 89 Jaylon Bevil......................6-2......234 Soph.
DL 92 PJ Helu............................6-1......214
DL 97 Sunia Makahununiu............6-1......301
LB 98 Tobias Natee....................6-1......238 Jr.
LB/S 5 Tyler Hayes.....................6-0.....201
Get out of the house much?
Obviously. He goes to 3 or 4 football games each week.
Does Trinity play DeSoto almost every year?
Played 3 times in last 10 years.
04 Desoto win 29-21
05 Trinity win 46-10
12 Desoto win 42-21
Quote from: elswagado on September 09, 2013, 11:04:45 am
Played 3 times in last 10 years.
04 Desoto win 29-21
05 Trinity win 46-10
12 Desoto win 42-21
Thanks I wasn't sure, I know they are not in the same district, thought maybe they got matched up in the playoffs more than that. There are so many good teams in the DFW area I'm sure the games get spread around.
Quote from: elswagado on September 09, 2013, 11:04:45 am
Played 3 times in last 10 years.
04 Desoto win 29-21
05 Trinity win 46-10
12 Desoto win 42-21
Also, 02 Trinity won, 03 DeSoto won. Don't have scores but I think they were competitive.
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He's overreacting. That game was extremely winnable last night, but there's zero threat of a passing game right now, which is why he (and lots of Trinity fans) are upset. Trinity beat up Jenks pretty good up front but had zero passing game of their own and Jenks exploited a situation in Trinity's pass defense after it became clear they weren't going to win in the trenches. I'm sure Lunney saw the weakness loud & clear, adjustments are needed big time from Trinity if they're going to beat any good teams this year.
I think you are correct in your assessment both in the game and the overreacting.
We all have our moments, good and bad. I have already dealt with my overreaction but still disappointed with the game's outcome. It was just a non-district game and it pains me to lose when in many facets of the game Trinity was very dominate. There are not going to be many teams that will have the personnel to stop the running game like Jenks did, but there are several that will cross our path that can. We did expose some opportunities that can be corrected. Those same deficiencies have been proclaimed for all opponents to see as well.
I didn't figure out why there was a switch in the CB position but I'm sure there was a good reason.
Like I said, we all have weak moments, I believe one of the Trinity posters went over the line and should be ashamed of themselves IMO. It is not always appropriate to post all of our thoughts, these are kids and we need to remember that. Once a Trojan always a Trojan but you carry our name and need to represent, do no harm.
I can't wait for the next game, here we come Desoto!!
Nice story about several Trinity grads at Montana State Univ.
http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/trojan-foursome-trinity-high-school-standouts-leave-mark-cats/
Quote from: Texas on September 08, 2013, 06:33:08 pm
Quote from: Trinity 94 on September 08, 2013, 06:13:33 pm
Good Afternoon
Another odd penalty from last night. A Jenks player was flagged for a personal foul for continuing to play after his helmet got knocked off. Odd.
Thankyou
Illegal participation. Once a player loses his helmet, his is supposed to stop playing. It's a leftist, communist, socialist, pansy rule, but it is a rule. Safety issue. It is odd that they called it a personal foul, but it falls under that category.
The guy was a defensive player and to be honest that was the first time I seen it called a personal foul.....so my question is if it was a RB that had his helmet come off and he kept running would they have called it a personal foul OR just blow the play dead? I've always see them blow the play dead. Doesn't seem fair to me.
Quote from: Baitshop on September 08, 2013, 01:06:40 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Fifteen penalties and 6 Personal foul calls..??..??..??
I ain't sayin' that Linkletter ain't a good coach....but well coached teams don't play that way....
I can tell you this with great confidence.....a Barry Lunney coached team ain't doin' that....EVER...
After Trinity takes a curb stomping at the hands of Desoto next week and then has to bus 7 hours to Bentonville, we will see if you boys from Texas have overplayed your hands here on our fine board....
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Quote from: Baitshop on September 08, 2013, 01:06:40 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Fifteen penalties and 6 Personal foul calls..??..??..??
I ain't sayin' that Linkletter ain't a good coach....but well coached teams don't play that way....
I can tell you this with great confidence.....a Barry Lunney coached team ain't doin' that....EVER...
After Trinity takes a curb stomping at the hands of Desoto next week and then has to bus 7 hours to Bentonville, we will see if you boys from Texas have overplayed your hands here on our fine board....
Sure you are. Go ahead and say it.
I can't wait until we go to Arkansas! Wishing Bentonville luck with the their next game.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 09, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 08, 2013, 01:06:40 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Fifteen penalties and 6 Personal foul calls..??..??..??
I ain't sayin' that Linkletter ain't a good coach....but well coached teams don't play that way....
I can tell you this with great confidence.....a Barry Lunney coached team ain't doin' that....EVER...
After Trinity takes a curb stomping at the hands of Desoto next week and then has to bus 7 hours to Bentonville, we will see if you boys from Texas have overplayed your hands here on our fine board....
Sure you are. Go ahead and say it.
Let me say this....a coach of the caliber that you insist Lineweaver is, doesn't have teams that are called for 6 Personal Fouls in a game....it insinuates either a lack of control of your team or encouraging a style of play that is reckless at best or has the intention to injure your opponent in an illegal manner at worst....
Lineweaver may be an outstanding X and O guy, but as I said, the lack of control and discipline that would allow 15 penalties, including SIX personal fouls, in a game doesn't impress me....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 09:15:41 am
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 09, 2013, 09:33:05 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 08, 2013, 01:06:40 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 08, 2013, 12:11:41 am
15 penalties for 120 yards (all valid). 6? Personal fouls. Can't beat good teams when you do that. Encouraged by how well the lines looked against Jenks. Secondary looked unprepared after Jenks bailed on smash mouth ball. Have to find some passing game.
Fifteen penalties and 6 Personal foul calls..??..??..??
I ain't sayin' that Linkletter ain't a good coach....but well coached teams don't play that way....
I can tell you this with great confidence.....a Barry Lunney coached team ain't doin' that....EVER...
After Trinity takes a curb stomping at the hands of Desoto next week and then has to bus 7 hours to Bentonville, we will see if you boys from Texas have overplayed your hands here on our fine board....
Sure you are. Go ahead and say it.
Let me say this....a coach of the caliber that you insist Lineweaver is, doesn't have teams that are called for 6 Personal Fouls in a game....it insinuates either a lack of control of your team or encouraging a style of play that is reckless at best or has the intention to injure your opponent in an illegal manner at worst....
Lineweaver may be an outstanding X and O guy, but as I said, the lack of control and discipline that would allow 15 penalties, including SIX personal fouls, in a game doesn't impress me....
It is so easy to sit behind a computer and make logical assumptions which your assumption are logical, but the truth is somewhat different.
It is ture that Trinity plays until the whistle blows, and sometimes a kid uses poor judgement but Trinity's coaching staff preaches against being personal fouls and does not want any kid to be injured on either team.
I was at the game and was wondering if that set of refs were using the "anticipated whistle" as their criteria. Some calls were border line but some were warranted but not because of a dangerous act, just a little late in pulling up.
There were plenty of mistakes made and most all of them can be corrected. Trinity had one scrimmage, and had to cut it a little short because of hot weather. What I saw from Trinity showed they had a lack of game-like action or rust.
As long as we continue to schedule good/great teams as non-district games, it will be alomost impossible for ET to go undefeated. It is a normal thing for ET to start off a little slow and by time the playoffs come along we have it all together.
Since Desoto is such a good team, it is a tall order to expect a win but I do look for some improvements from the messy first game. It's all ok though, it's just non-district and doesn't matter as long as we get ready for the season.
I'm not necessarily saying that Lineweaver or his staff condone the extracurricular activity....I'm just saying that they weren't able or didn't stop it...
Either way, IMHO, it doesn't reflect positively on Coach Lineweaver, his staff, this years team, or the Trinity program as a whole...
If there is any symmetry to the whole situation, at least the team that chose to play in that manner last week wasn't rewarded with a win....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 11:36:57 am
I'm not necessarily saying that Lineweaver or his staff condone the extracurricular activity....I'm just saying that they weren't able or didn't stop it...
Either way, IMHO, it doesn't reflect positively on Coach Lineweaver, his staff, this years team, or the Trinity program as a whole...
If there is any symmetry to the whole situation, at least the team that chose to play in that manner last week wasn't rewarded with a win....
Again, you are very logical in your assumption. A flag could have been thrown on every play, like I said Trinity plays until the whistle blows and these refs were reaching for the flag while blowing the whistle.
At the same time, they chose to ignore most of the holding throughout the game, they even chose to ignore the o-line "takedowns" and thus rewarded the opposing team for their crimes. I'm just using you method of assumption. I actually don't have a lot of heartburn from it, after all it's just a non-district game. The point is, neither team won or lost because of the refs, Jenks just won, that's all.
I do agree that it does hurt the preception of Trinity and staff of those who were not attending the game.
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Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 11:36:57 am
I'm not necessarily saying that Lineweaver or his staff condone the extracurricular activity....I'm just saying that they weren't able or didn't stop it...
Either way, IMHO, it doesn't reflect positively on Coach Lineweaver, his staff, this years team, or the Trinity program as a whole...
If there is any symmetry to the whole situation, at least the team that chose to play in that manner last week wasn't rewarded with a win....
Again, you are very logical in your assumption. A flag could have been thrown on every play, like I said Trinity plays until the whistle blows and these refs were reaching for the flag while blowing the whistle.
At the same time, they chose to ignore most of the holding throughout the game, they even chose to ignore the o-line "takedowns" and thus rewarded the opposing team for their crimes. I'm just using you method of assumption. I actually don't have a lot of heartburn from it, after all it's just a non-district game. The point is, neither team won or lost because of the refs, Jenks just won, that's all.
I do agree that it does hurt the preception of Trinity and staff of those who were not attending the game.
I would imagine that some of those flags were probably a little quick and questionable. Even so my guess is coach Lineweaver has addressed the issue. With some of the rule changes and the sensitivity to injuries these days many refs seem to be quick with the flag. In the old days I had a tendency to play through the whistle and I got more than my share of personal fouls. Today if I did that I would probably get ejected at some point, times have changed and overall I think for the better, but it's still football and at times young folks have a tough time controlling what they do. Baitshop knows this as his team has had some issues in the recent past.
Not shaking an opponent's hand after a game is apples and boat anchors from 6 personal foul calls in one game....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 01:41:40 pm
Not shaking an opponent's hand after a game is apples and boat anchors from 6 personal foul calls in one game....
I wasn't referring to anyone shaking any ones hand! That's an etiquette issue.
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 01:41:40 pm
Not shaking an opponent's hand after a game is apples and boat anchors from 6 personal foul calls in one game....
They are similar in one way. Both are unsportsman like
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 11, 2013, 02:09:08 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 01:41:40 pm
Not shaking an opponent's hand after a game is apples and boat anchors from 6 personal foul calls in one game....
They are similar in one way. Both are unsportsman like
In all fairness to Baitshop and the Rebs, they have had issues with a few individuals and Coach Williams has taken care of it. I doubt we will see that many penalties by Trinity when they roll into Bentonville.
Oh, I agree...but one doesn't put your opponents health at risk....
And it's one guy...not six
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
Oh, I agree...but one doesn't put your opponents health at risk....
And it's one guy...not six
or a whole team that does it in baseball after giving that one guy grief.
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 11, 2013, 02:36:04 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
Oh, I agree...but one doesn't put your opponents health at risk....
And it's one guy...not six
or a whole team that does it in baseball after giving that one guy grief.
Yes....nice correlation cuckoo....well played
Like my brother said, Trinity had one half of simulated play in a scrimmage. I'm not sure about Jenks. I know they had at least one scrimmage, maybe two but don't know the details. Trinity was the last team in the entire state of Texas to kickoff their season. Jenks, likewise was the last team OK. There was 29 penalties in this game. 15 on Trinity and 14 on Jenks. Higher than normal penalties in the first game of the season is not uncommon, especially for a young team. With 29 penalties, it's obvious the ref were flag happy.
This weeks game with DeSoto will tell if all you just stated is fact or deflection....
All you Texas folks.... 5ATF is giving me a redirect ever since the site was hacked last week. Happening to any of you? Do you know if admins are aware? Sorry I'm posting this here to the Arky folks, I don't know any other way to contact these people.
^^^dang Aggies ^^^
Quote from: elswagado on September 12, 2013, 10:17:04 am
All you Texas folks.... 5ATF is giving me a redirect ever since the site was hacked last week. Happening to any of you? Do you know if admins are aware? Sorry I'm posting this here to the Arky folks, I don't know any other way to contact these people.
maybe they banned your IP address for posting on an Arkansas board! ;)
Lol!!! That's funny! That or they found out he is secretly rooting for Bentonville:)
Quote from: elswagado on September 12, 2013, 10:17:04 am
All you Texas folks.... 5ATF is giving me a redirect ever since the site was hacked last week. Happening to any of you? Do you know if admins are aware? Sorry I'm posting this here to the Arky folks, I don't know any other way to contact these people.
Same issue here.
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh? What in the Wild Wild World of Sports are you referring to?
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:29:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
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Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
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Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
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Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
if you are worried about your I-phone issues have you downloaded the I-Phone app for FF?
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:33:44 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:32:17 pm
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Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
if you are worried about your I-phone issues have you downloaded the I-Phone app for FF?
yes and I have the new one too. I have dsl at home so I don't know what the problem is but I always assumed server overload since it happens on those night. I think I might have heard someone say that one time too because hogville uses the same server. I could be wrong though
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:43:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:33:44 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:32:17 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:29:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
if you are worried about your I-phone issues have you downloaded the I-Phone app for FF?
yes and I have the new one too. I have dsl at home so I don't know what the problem is but I always assumed server overload since it happens on those night. I think I might have heard someone say that one time too because hogville uses the same server. I could be wrong though
I know last year a few times the servers crashed , but I think they added enough to keep that from happening in the near future.
Sucks, cause once a site has been hacked, it is compromised from then on and will continue to have periodic problems. At least that what I have seen and heard.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 11, 2013, 02:31:15 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 11, 2013, 02:09:08 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 11, 2013, 01:41:40 pm
Not shaking an opponent's hand after a game is apples and boat anchors from 6 personal foul calls in one game....
They are similar in one way. Both are unsportsman like
In all fairness to Baitshop and the Rebs, they have had issues with a few individuals and Coach Williams has taken care of it. I doubt we will see that many penalties by Trinity when they roll into Bentonville.
Exactly!
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:43:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:33:44 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:32:17 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:29:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
if you are worried about your I-phone issues have you downloaded the I-Phone app for FF?
yes and I have the new one too. I have dsl at home so I don't know what the problem is but I always assumed server overload since it happens on those night. I think I might have heard someone say that one time too because hogville uses the same server. I could be wrong though
Cockobird,I agree as well about the game night FF site. I have very good At&T internet but I have experienced the same issues trying to login during last Fri night and last year some. I think its overload on the servers cause the site times out alot.
Tiger Football Report episode 1 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQt1wFlqaI0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJQt1wFlqaI0)
Looking forward to episode 3 ;)
Go South Panola!!!!!!!!!!. In 2010 Euless thought they were gonna finish #1 in the nation yet that honor went to my South Panola Tigers...lolololololololololololololololololololololol Anywho...good luck versus that Walmart funded school tonight....lolololololololololololololololololololoolollolololol
Quote from: spdawg94 on September 13, 2013, 02:15:48 pm
Go South Panola!!!!!!!!!!. In 2010 Euless thought they were gonna finish #1 in the nation yet that honor went to my South Panola Tigers...lolololololololololololololololololololololol Anywho...good luck versus that Walmart funded school tonight....lolololololololololololololololololololoolollolololol
That's nice, By the way, you have never said how Bentonville is Wal-Mart funded?
I'm sure it is just a little joke. It's Mississippi, they're easily entertained.
Quote from: DPaul on September 13, 2013, 02:21:47 pm
I'm sure it is just a little joke. It's Mississippi, they're easily entertained.
Lou Holtz pronounces it Myth-a-Thippy.. I like the sound of that. ;D
I don't know why folks take it as a diss. There wouldn't be much of anything here if Wal-mart's Home office wasn't here. You either work for WM (which is me), or you work with a vendors or suppliers who do business with Wal mart or if your a business outside of that your relying on dollars from Wal mart people and vendors or suppliers.
It's not direct but more or less it's there one way or another.
Quote from: businesstron on September 13, 2013, 02:30:11 pm
I don't know why folks take it as a diss. There wouldn't be much of anything here if Wal-mart's Home office wasn't here. You either work for WM (which is me), or you work with a vendors or suppliers who do business with Wal mart or if your a business outside of that your relying on dollars from Wal mart people and vendors or suppliers.
It's not direct but more or less it's there one way or another.
Bud, I worked inside the Death Star also and my wife worked for a vendor. But he makes it sound like Wal-Mart has direct involvement with Bentonville High School. I respect any Texas public school over SP.
Quote from: spdawg94 on September 13, 2013, 02:15:48 pm
Go South Panola!!!!!!!!!!. In 2010 Euless thought they were gonna finish #1 in the nation yet that honor went to my South Panola Tigers...lolololololololololololololololololololololol Anywho...good luck versus that Walmart funded school tonight....lolololololololololololololololololololoolollolololol
I take satisfaction in knowing SP backed in to a mythical national "title" us Texans care nothing about. I am also confident and take satisfaction that 90% of non Texas MNC's would not survive the brutal Texas playoff brackets.
Quote from: Texas on September 13, 2013, 02:44:15 pm
Quote from: spdawg94 on September 13, 2013, 02:15:48 pm
Go South Panola!!!!!!!!!!. In 2010 Euless thought they were gonna finish #1 in the nation yet that honor went to my South Panola Tigers...lolololololololololololololololololololololol Anywho...good luck versus that Walmart funded school tonight....lolololololololololololololololololololoolollolololol
I take satisfaction in knowing SP backed in to a mythical national "title" us Texans care nothing about. I am also confident and take satisfaction that 90% of non Texas MNC's would not survive the brutal Texas playoff brackets.
You Texas boys better quit posting things I agree with, I don't like it.
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Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:33:44 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:32:17 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:29:11 pm
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 12, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 12, 2013, 03:20:30 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 12, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
I see what you mean, but for me it just started today. IDK.
Maybe you Texas boys should consult us Arkansas Boys on how to keep a board up and running! ;)
except on Friday and Saturday nights right. lol
Huh?
I'm hardly ever able to access FF on Friday and Saturday nights because of all the traffic on the server. I get so tired of seeing timeout or waiting for my iphone to load.
Sounds like a personal issue , I haven't had any problems.
you may be correct but it happens every game day. other wise its fine
if you are worried about your I-phone issues have you downloaded the I-Phone app for FF?
yes and I have the new one too. I have dsl at home so I don't know what the problem is but I always assumed server overload since it happens on those night. I think I might have heard someone say that one time too because hogville uses the same server. I could be wrong though
Cockobird,I agree as well about the game night FF site. I have very good At&T internet but I have experienced the same issues trying to login during last Fri night and last year some. I think its overload on the servers cause the site times out alot.
Same here at times....like tonight. :( I need to have more patience. But I'M LOVIN' the New App!!!!
I see what y'all are saying about the issues getting on this site friday night. It wouldnt allow me either til after the games are played I guess.
As you used to say, "Good news", Texas.
The Bentonville teams of the last three years could have taken on anybody in preseason. But last night's game didn't feel like the Bentonville teams of the last three years. Walking up to the stadium in the first quarter it was eerie how quiet it seemed compared to those years past. Not saying it wasn't noisy. Something just felt different looking at the sideline and occasionally listening to the crowd. The guys we've had the past three years seemed able to fight their way out of any tough situation. I know when you have new coordinators new things (like losing in the regular season) may happen.
But it was weird seeing opposing defensive players batting away our passes as if they were the second coming of Dikembe Motumbo. I didn't know that the young man who was the BHS QB starter had gotten relieved. When I heard the BHS announcer saying things like "Ford pass to the 45" I thought "of course it's a forward pass". Then Bentonville had its best receiver injured as well. (The two main receivers earlier were all over the place making play after play at times. Given the QB issues it felt more like desperation than precision, and I worried whether they could keep it up.)
We started the game without our #1 tailback in preseason. We ended it without our starting QB. Or our #1 true wide receiver, who I hope can play next week. (Did young Mr. Kraus catch a pass last night, either?)
Congrats to BA, a tough team. It could have been worse. Thought their 4-star Oklahoma State commit RB got injured on the first series, so his name wasn't called very much. I knew their QB had been recruited at one time by OU and Meatchicken, so he had the capability to hurt us, and he did. I remember in this year's Owasso S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E we had a missed clutch field goal, also unusual the past three years. We had another miss last night though that wasn't the deciding score. They may have gotten burned but I did see the young sophomore DB for BHS make a play or two. He might be pretty good in two years.
Bentonville wasn't on your radar the past three years, Texas, but those teams would have given you a good game. I think even the 2010 undefeated state champs would have given your 2010 team a good game at BHS (we faced seven QBs that year, two of them twice, who averaged 7,500 total yards and 70+ TDs per man in their careers, plus a lot of other strong talent that season) though the "Arkansas Tigers" mightn't have won it. (That's ANOTHER thing about last night...everyone around me on the BA side kept shaking their heads trying to keep up with all the black-and-gold tigers and who was who. I like BA's broken arrow logo, though.)
But, as it is I hope we can cobble together a good game plan, and that we'll have at least our starting TB back and that he can stay healthy. We've got a good coach, but so do you.
Ah, what might have been. ;)
Any box score from last night's game?
Quote from: elswagado on September 14, 2013, 09:29:39 am
I will be surprised if Bentonville lines up and plays smashmouth football with Trinity for 4 quarters and wins. Jenks is very good at that and they couldn't come close. If your QB can utilize that big TE, hit a few play action fakes in key situations, and buy some time scrambling and letting the secondary turn into backyard ball, Trinity's vulnerable with those sorts of things and their offense isn't so explosive that you'll have to win a shootout. Bentonville's good enough to win if that happens regardless of how disappointed you all are about the BA outcome. I am anxious to see how Trinity's offense performs against Desoto. Trinity's two RBs (Ellsworth & Wilson) were one man away from multiple long touchdown runs against Jenks but Jenks' 4star all-world safety would get just enough of them to prevent it, and that's a luxury most teams don't have... the rushing stats could have been even more lop-sided than they were without that kid's herculean effort. Trinity should get a lot of questions about their secondary answered against Desoto tonight - not many teams are better at QB scramble-ball, or athletic WRs playing backyard run-around than Desoto is. Not very similar to Bentonville at all, but will test them all the same.
Tonight will teall a lot. As I have said elsewhere, I am not looking for a Trinity win, but for the game to be somewhat competitive. I am looking for improvement over last weeks deficiencies.
Last week there was some OL injuries. DB injuries. RB injuries? If we get those guys back healthy and clean up some other things, there is no reason we can't be competitive with ANY team. At least from a defensive standpoint. Solving the QB problem is a different matter.
So do you Bennie fans really think Lunney is going to pullall stops to win a non con game? With all the talk about how you guys are missing this player and that player I think I would be more positive about my team given the level of competition.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:08:01 am
So do you Bennie fans really think Lunney is going to pullall stops to win a non con game? With all the talk about how you guys are missing this player and that player I think I would be more positive about my team given the level of competition.
Our offense basically gets shut down after halftime, totally opposite from what has happened in the past.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 09:18:24 am
As you used to say, "Good news", Texas.
The Bentonville teams of the last three years could have taken on anybody in preseason. But last night's game didn't feel like the Bentonville teams of the last three years. Walking up to the stadium in the first quarter it was eerie how quiet it seemed compared to those years past. Not saying it wasn't noisy. Something just felt different looking at the sideline and occasionally listening to the crowd. The guys we've had the past three years seemed able to fight their way out of any tough situation. I know when you have new coordinators new things (like losing in the regular season) may happen.
But it was weird seeing opposing defensive players batting away our passes as if they were the second coming of Dikembe Motumbo. I didn't know that the young man who was the BHS QB starter had gotten relieved. When I heard the BHS announcer saying things like "Ford pass to the 45" I thought "of course it's a forward pass". Then Bentonville had its best receiver injured as well. (The two main receivers earlier were all over the place making play after play at times. Given the QB issues it felt more like desperation than precision, and I worried whether they could keep it up.)
We started the game without our #1 tailback in preseason. We ended it without our starting QB. Or our #1 true wide receiver, who I hope can play next week. (Did young Mr. Kraus catch a pass last night, either?)
Congrats to BA, a tough team. It could have been worse. Thought their 4-star Oklahoma State commit RB got injured on the first series, so his name wasn't called very much. I knew their QB had been recruited at one time by OU and Meatchicken, so he had the capability to hurt us, and he did. I remember in this year's Owasso S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E we had a missed clutch field goal, also unusual the past three years. We had another miss last night though that wasn't the deciding score. They may have gotten burned but I did see the young sophomore DB for BHS make a play or two. He might be pretty good in two years.
Bentonville wasn't on your radar the past three years, Texas, but those teams would have given you a good game. I think even the 2010 undefeated state champs would have given your 2010 team a good game at BHS (we faced seven QBs that year, two of them twice, who averaged 7,500 total yards and 70+ TDs per man in their careers, plus a lot of other strong talent that season) though the "Arkansas Tigers" mightn't have won it. (That's ANOTHER thing about last night...everyone around me on the BA side kept shaking their heads trying to keep up with all the black-and-gold tigers and who was who. I like BA's broken arrow logo, though.)
But, as it is I hope we can cobble together a good game plan, and that we'll have at least our starting TB back and that he can stay healthy. We've got a good coach, but so do you.
Ah, what might have been. ;)
elswagado was right. There is no way Bennie is gonna line up and play smash mouth against Trinity for 4 quarters. They will have their moments, but few and far between. Trinity's OL will wear down any opponent over the course of a long game. Bennie's DL will not be able to do the same to Trinity's DL, which is seven or eight players deep. In which they just keep rotating fresh bodies in every series.
BA has nothing on Trinity's running game. 108 yards against Bennie. Trinity may have that many yards by the end of the first quarter. I thought Bennie did a nice job of pursuit when BA tried to go wide. However, I saw some missed tackles. The ball carrier (sometimes) would bounce off a would be tackler, cause the defender was trying to deliver a blow to knock the ball carrier to the ground instead of wrap him up and take him to the ground.
The missed FG was a 51 yard attempt, so I wouldn't worry to much about that. If there is any consolation, Trinity had a FG attempt and an XP attempt hit the crossbar and bounce off last week. What are the odds of that?
You mention that Bennie teams of the past could have taken on anybody. My what a small world you live in. I find your claim that the 2010 team could give our 2010 team a good game to be quite hilarious. That was the best team (talent-wise) that we have ever had. I guarentee you that would have been a huge blowout. Maybe not 80-26, but they would have left zero doubt.
Quote from: DPaul on September 14, 2013, 10:02:40 am
Any box score from last night's game?
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:08:01 am
So do you Bennie fans really think Lunney is going to pullall stops to win a non con game? With all the talk about how you guys are missing this player and that player I think I would be more positive about my team given the level of competition.
KC Rockhurst is now 0-3.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 14, 2013, 11:17:32 am
Our offense basically gets shut down after halftime, totally opposite from what has happened in the past.
Also not a good sign is the fact that in both the first two games Bennie let the opposing team get off to a quick lead.
What is Trinity's record? Did they play last night?
Quote from: Texas on September 14, 2013, 11:32:03 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:08:01 am
So do you Bennie fans really think Lunney is going to pullall stops to win a non con game? With all the talk about how you guys are missing this player and that player I think I would be more positive about my team given the level of competition.
KC Rockhurst is now 0-3.
Blue Springs is tough, The only two teams that beat Rockhurst last year were Bentonville and Blue Springs. Rockhurst is in danger of starting 0-4 as they play Hutch next weekend.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:47:25 am
What is Trinity's record? Did they play last night?
They are 0-1 and play Desoto tonight. Sorry I fixed that
Odd I thought the way they were bashing their players on here they had lost their first game.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:47:25 am
What is Trinity's record? Did they play last night?
0-suck
;D
Game is tonight.
Internet broadcast: http://www.championsportsradio.com/trinity.html
Game is scheduled to start at 1930, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is delayed by 30-45 minutes. It's the third game of a triple header.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 12:09:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 14, 2013, 11:49:29 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 11:47:25 am
What is Trinity's record? Did they play last night?
They are 1-0 and play Desoto tonight.
Odd I thought the way they were bashing their players on here they had lost their first game.
0-1
QuoteMy what a small world you live in. I find your claim that the 2010 team could give our 2010 team a good game to be quite hilarious.
And
you, sir, didn't know our 2010 team (which in one poll finished only five places behind you at that season's end, and last season beat 3 state champions (top 30-level teams) from that 2010 season, including the "MNC", as you know). You didn't know our 2011 or '12 ones, either. I stand by what I said...they
could have taken on anyone, and from what I saw these past three seasons they'd have done it without fear, especially at home. (You'll note that I said they might not have won.) I know a lot of Bentonville fans and team members saw things last night (and at Rockhurst the previous week) that they're not accustomed to. I'd say that I hope said things don't BECOME "customs", but it's fitting that this Euless Trinity game will come the same week as the big school millage vote this next week. Nonetheless, it's been a fun ride.
Best to you at your DeSoto game tonight. Hope you all beat them.
All I know is we are going to need 100% improvement in one week to make this a good game.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 12:27:16 pm
...it's fitting that this Euless Trinity game will come the same week as the big school millage vote this next week.
Please explain. Does that have anything to do with Bentonville opening a 2nd HS? I thought that was already decided.
Quote from: Texas on September 14, 2013, 01:07:44 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 12:27:16 pm
...it's fitting that this Euless Trinity game will come the same week as the big school millage vote this next week.
Please explain. Does that have anything to do with Bentonville opening a 2nd HS? I thought that was already decided.
Texas, yes, it does. The millage vote to build the second high school will be the Tuesday before the Bentonville/Trinity game.
I've been a transplant but let me explain how I see things. The Northwest Arkansas metro area, by itself, has a bit of an identity crisis. It's as if God reached down and uprooted far north Richardson to McKinney (or, for those who've spent extensive time in Atlanta, Roswell to Cumming) and planted it in the Boston Mountains with His almighty hand. As billyo said, there are a lot of people who shuffle in, shuffle out with Walmart, usually but not limited to Walmart vendors. (Many who STAY with WM, too, as well as Tyson, J.B. Hunt and the University of Arkansas main campus.) When I first lived in Arkansas in the late 80s the joke was: "If you're so good, how come you're in ARKANSAS?" Now that the world's largest company is in Bentonville, the joke could be amended to, "If you're so good, how come you're NOT in Arkansas?".
Old-timers here say Bentonville had one stoplight 50 years ago, and it was a "blinker". 20 years ago, the graduating class of BHS numbered in the high 100s-200s. Now, this school had reached a time when it could, as I said, compete with any other school in a variety of venues. (And this growth is NOT limited to Bentonville. There have been great individual scholars and athletes at teams throughout Northwest Arkansas. Speaking of Texas, I was amazed when Fayetteville, AR HS won the Sandra Meadows girl's bball classic in D/FW a few years back, taking 3rd place the next year. (http://www.sandrameadowsclassic.com/news.html)) For awhile, it's been as if NW Arkansans can dream and actually achieve big accomplishments the way so many Texans have.
But it's been fun seeing Bentonville get to a level where it could beat a Tulsa Union, Kansas City Rockhurst, South Panola all in the same season. Amazing, actually, when one knows the history. But up here, what gets big must become smaller, and this time is being treated like an overdue book at the library. So, it does seem fitting that Bentonville plays Euless Trinity the very week of the millage vote.
Quote from: bystander on September 14, 2013, 12:49:51 pm
Trinity is likely to get beat by 20+ tonight, but it will result in a false sense of security for Bentonville. DeSoto's athleticism will exploit the poor play of the Trinity QB, and Trinity's line will be matched in this game.
DeSoto has some absolute stud athletes, and large number of D1 athletes on both sides of the ball.
Trinity lacks on this team someone of Brandon Carter's talent. Trinity would be best to just line up every play in the BVille game and own the clock.
I don't know if it's likely. Likely they will win, sure. Just don't know about that wide a margin. Trinity's line will not be "matched" in this game. Or outmatched either. I saw DeSoto play last week. They do not have the offensive line they did in several previous years. I am not saying DeSoto will have problems up front, but they won't be equals to Trinity on the lines.
Yeah. Most teams do not have a kid with Brandon Carter's talent. That is not needed either.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 01:22:24 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 14, 2013, 01:07:44 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 12:27:16 pm
...it's fitting that this Euless Trinity game will come the same week as the big school millage vote this next week.
Please explain. Does that have anything to do with Bentonville opening a 2nd HS? I thought that was already decided.
Texas, yes, it does. The millage vote to build the second high school will be the Tuesday before the Bentonville/Trinity game.
I've been a transplant but let me explain how I see things. The Northwest Arkansas metro area, by itself, has a bit of an identity crisis. It's as if God reached down and uprooted far north Richardson to McKinney (or, for those who've spent extensive time in Atlanta, Roswell to Cumming) and planted it in the Boston Mountains with His almighty hand. As billyo said, there are a lot of people who shuffle in, shuffle out with Walmart, usually but not limited to Walmart vendors. (Many who STAY with WM, too, as well as Tyson, J.B. Hunt and the University of Arkansas main campus.) When I first lived in Arkansas in the late 80s the joke was: "If you're so good, how come you're in ARKANSAS?" Now that the world's largest company is in Bentonville, the joke could be amended to, "If you're so good, how come you're NOT in Arkansas?".
Old-timers here say Bentonville had one stoplight 50 years ago, and it was a "blinker". 20 years ago, the graduating class of BHS numbered in the high 100s-200s. Now, this school had reached a time when it could, as I said, compete with any other school in a variety of venues. (And this growth is NOT limited to Bentonville. There have been great individual scholars and athletes at teams throughout Northwest Arkansas. Speaking of Texas, I was amazed when Fayetteville, AR HS won the Sandra Meadows girl's bball classic in D/FW a few years back, taking 3rd place the next year. (http://www.sandrameadowsclassic.com/news.html)) For awhile, it's been as if NW Arkansans can dream and actually achieve big accomplishments the way so many Texans have.
But it's been fun seeing Bentonville get to a level where it could beat a Tulsa Union, Kansas City Rockhurst, South Panola all in the same season. Amazing, actually, when one knows the history. But up here, what gets big must become smaller, and this time is being treated like an overdue book at the library. So, it does seem fitting that Bentonville plays Euless Trinity the very week of the millage vote.
Too bad y'all aren't playing Allen then. Of course, they say Allen is the best team in the state (I personally think Katy is the best). The point is, Bentonville basically is what Allen is. To me, that's the closest comparison. There are those of us that say, the only reason Allen is that good, is because they have 5,388 students as of the 2012-2014 alignments. They grew by about 600 students (in two year) over the previous alignment. If voters really want to see what the future could hold, study Allen. From an athletics standpoint, the advantages are great.
However, that comes at a price. There is only one each Varsity football, basketball, baseball, soccer teams. Etc... Assuming the coaches select the best players for the team. Assuming only the best start, only the best get significant, meaningful playing time, that leaves a lot of kids out, who at other schools would have had the opportunity. Same goes for other activities. When there are so many people all trying to do the same thing, there will always be some that are left out. Even if it is their own decision, because they do not want to be a part of such large numbers. Allen's band usually has 500+ students.
Personally, I don't like it. Especially because it is common knowledge that Allen keeps one HS because they want to be ultra-competitive in sports. It should be about what is best for the students. Athletics should be the least of concerns.
I hope they do decide to build Sam Walton High School, or Wal-Mart © High School or whatever y'all decide to call it.
If Trinty has:
1) Size up front, and
2) Speed
As their fans have indicated, they will handle Bentonville easily.
This Bentonville has not shown they are up to par with the 2008-2012 editions of same. Too many mistakes and lack of execution.
Look for the sophomore QB to lead the offense from this game forward.
The mirror continues. After dropping behind Desoto early (21-0), Trinity inserts the backup QB some have been clamoring for and get a quick 7.
Quote from: Texas on September 14, 2013, 04:56:07 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 01:22:24 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 14, 2013, 01:07:44 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 14, 2013, 12:27:16 pm
...it's fitting that this Euless Trinity game will come the same week as the big school millage vote this next week.
Please explain. Does that have anything to do with Bentonville opening a 2nd HS? I thought that was already decided.
Texas, yes, it does. The millage vote to build the second high school will be the Tuesday before the Bentonville/Trinity game.
I've been a transplant but let me explain how I see things. The Northwest Arkansas metro area, by itself, has a bit of an identity crisis. It's as if God reached down and uprooted far north Richardson to McKinney (or, for those who've spent extensive time in Atlanta, Roswell to Cumming) and planted it in the Boston Mountains with His almighty hand. As billyo said, there are a lot of people who shuffle in, shuffle out with Walmart, usually but not limited to Walmart vendors. (Many who STAY with WM, too, as well as Tyson, J.B. Hunt and the University of Arkansas main campus.) When I first lived in Arkansas in the late 80s the joke was: "If you're so good, how come you're in ARKANSAS?" Now that the world's largest company is in Bentonville, the joke could be amended to, "If you're so good, how come you're NOT in Arkansas?".
Old-timers here say Bentonville had one stoplight 50 years ago, and it was a "blinker". 20 years ago, the graduating class of BHS numbered in the high 100s-200s. Now, this school had reached a time when it could, as I said, compete with any other school in a variety of venues. (And this growth is NOT limited to Bentonville. There have been great individual scholars and athletes at teams throughout Northwest Arkansas. Speaking of Texas, I was amazed when Fayetteville, AR HS won the Sandra Meadows girl's bball classic in D/FW a few years back, taking 3rd place the next year. (http://www.sandrameadowsclassic.com/news.html)) For awhile, it's been as if NW Arkansans can dream and actually achieve big accomplishments the way so many Texans have.
But it's been fun seeing Bentonville get to a level where it could beat a Tulsa Union, Kansas City Rockhurst, South Panola all in the same season. Amazing, actually, when one knows the history. But up here, what gets big must become smaller, and this time is being treated like an overdue book at the library. So, it does seem fitting that Bentonville plays Euless Trinity the very week of the millage vote.
Too bad y'all aren't playing Allen then. Of course, they say Allen is the best team in the state (I personally think Katy is the best). The point is, Bentonville basically is what Allen is. To me, that's the closest comparison. There are those of us that say, the only reason Allen is that good, is because they have 5,388 students as of the 2012-2014 alignments. They grew by about 600 students (in two year) over the previous alignment. If voters really want to see what the future could hold, study Allen. From an athletics standpoint, the advantages are great.
However, that comes at a price. There is only one each Varsity football, basketball, baseball, soccer teams. Etc... Assuming the coaches select the best players for the team. Assuming only the best start, only the best get significant, meaningful playing time, that leaves a lot of kids out, who at other schools would have had the opportunity. Same goes for other activities. When there are so many people all trying to do the same thing, there will always be some that are left out. Even if it is their own decision, because they do not want to be a part of such large numbers. Allen's band usually has 500+ students.
Personally, I don't like it. Especially because it is common knowledge that Allen keeps one HS because they want to be ultra-competitive in sports. It should be about what is best for the students. Athletics should be the least of concerns.
I hope they do decide to build Sam Walton High School, or Wal-Mart © High School or whatever y'all decide to call it.
Great points about the size of mega schools like Allen in TX and Bville in AR. For sure shorts the average kids with great desires to represent their schools in whatever sport or activity but left out cause there aint enough practice jerseys or trumpets to go around. I like the sound of Sam Walton High - lol!
Wow, just tuned in. DeSoto 41, ET 14 with just over 3 minutes to go in the first half.
Bentonville is going to face one angry team next week, win or lose this one (and I hope you all win it, Texas and company). But...wanted to see BHS play a top Texas team (it was time) so I'll get my wish whatever happens in this injury-plagued, new coordinators year (which is just part of the game). Be careful what you wish for... ;)
So a top Texas team is getting beat by another top Texas team by 4 touchdowns in the first half? I guess everything is big in Texas.
54-14 now.
DeSoto picked a heckuva time to play in the stratosphere. >:(
This is unreal. Desoto is Trinity kryptonite
Still first half? I am thinking getting beat that bad would have a negative effect on your next game, not buying that it will make a team mad and all of a sudden come out and be a good team.
I doubt it has any effect on next week other than Bentonville's getting some crazy film.
You guys are not convincing me that Trinity is a great team this year. Giving up 50 in a half does not a great team make.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 09:59:30 pm
You guys are not convincing me that Trinity is a great team this year. Giving up 50 in a half does not a great team make.
Shiloh Christian back in 2010 had someone score 80+ points on them (could have been more) and they still won a state championship. :o
Right now I'd be uneasy if it was Bentonville 2011 (or '10) playing this bunch next week. They're going to be as fired up as a team as the kid Forest Whitaker (?) played in Fast Times at Ridgemont High was after his car got trashed.
Trinity is not a great team this year.
Maybe Desoto will have mercy and score less than 80.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 09:59:30 pm
You guys are not convincing me that Trinity is a great team this year. Giving up 50 in a half does not a great team make.
Who's trying to convince you of that? You fightin' straw men again?
Talking to the Bennie guys who keep making it sound like an impossible task to beat Trinity. If it doesn't apply to you then please ignore.
This could really get ugly. Remember, there is no mercy rule in Texas, and DeSoto's QB has already thrown for 300-plus yards and 5 TDs, as well as run for almost 100 and a score.
ETHS making a run, 54-28 now.
61-28 now, ET driving.
Nice comments by the announcers about Bentonville. Saying ET's non-con opponents are among the best in the country. Last couple of years this would have been so...
Amazing how my attitude has changed in the past 24 hours.
Knowing what I know about the top programs in OK, and how I consider the top couple of team in AR on par with that group, I think Trinity better be ready for a fight next week.
Coach Lunney will bring a solid game plan, our top RB will be back and we have found a QB that can throw.
Go Tigers!!!
What's interesting is how Trinity played the best team from Oklahoma so close, but just got destroyed by a top 5 team from Texas.
For the pride of Arkansas football, Bennie better win by at least a touchdown (at home). If Trinity is able to pull off the win after giving up 60+ to DeSoto, it will not sit well with national polls for Arkansas.
Good luck Bennie....
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 14, 2013, 09:59:30 pm
You guys are not convincing me that Trinity is a great team this year. Giving up 50 in a half does not a great team make.
I could be wrong, but I am confident you cannot find a single post by a Trinity fan that says anything to the effect of Trinity being a great team. In fact, in my very first post back in March, I said Trinity was no longer on the same level as previous seasons.
Quote from: Texas on March 20, 2013, 12:12:25 pm
Trinity is not on the same level as they were from 2004-2010. That being said, they are still better than 95+% of the 5A teams in Texas. Texas is very deep in quality teams. That is one of the things that sets Texas apart. Trinity is one of them.
After the last few games, especially tonight, I seriously doubt Trinity is still in the top 5% anymore.
They are definitely not a great Texas team.
Y'all can take this however you want. I don't really care.
Final score was DeSoto 61 Trinity 35. The truth is, it wasn't even that close. DeSoto scored one TD in the 2nd half. Trinity got hammered from the get go. I was thinking, if they cleaned some things up, improved, they would have a shot. I still believe that would have been true. Fact is, the secondary and QB play is awful. If that continues, Trinity will be a first round playoff exit. The sad thing is, Trinity will probably be 8-0 in the next eight games (remainder of regular season). Our district ain't that good.
Here is something else that might shock you. You ready for this?
DeSoto ain't that good. Trinity is just that bad. DeSoto is gonna blow out most teams they play. That is a given. They have the most athletic team in Texas, and one of the most athletic teams in the nation. They have more talent than every team they play. But they are undisciplined. Lots of penalties. They Are not very good on defense. They just have incredible athletes who can make up for poor coverage, not being in the right spots, or whatever. When I say athletes, I mean very fast, very quick guys. All of them. Their QB is good, but not great. It's just that his WRs are always wide open, because they are so much faster and quicker than the defenders. The QB has an instinct to run at the first sign of trouble. I won't guarentee it or anything, but I think they may lose to Cedar Hill who is in their district, and was in the state finals last season. CHill has a very fast, very aggressive defense. They aren't as fast as DeSoto, no one is, but I think fast enough. DeSoto is not as good as last season.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 14, 2013, 10:57:49 pm
Amazing how my attitude has changed in the past 24 hours.
Knowing what I know about the top programs in OK, and how I consider the top couple of team in AR on par with that group, I think Trinity better be ready for a fight next week.
Coach Lunney will bring a solid game plan, our top RB will be back and we have found a QB that can throw.
Go Tigers!!!
I wouldn't get too excited. Both of Trinity's opponents are MUCH better than both of Bennie's opponents so far. Both games were a struggle for Bennie.
I still think Trinity will win, but they may just make y'all's soph QB look like Joe Montana in the process. Problem is, DeSoto stacked the box with nine for most of the game, just like Jenks did last week, yet Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards.
Oh well. After tonight, who knows? Maybe Bennie will beat Trinity.
Texas, all I can say is Wow!
I think you and I both stated earlier that its a game that is settled on the field....right?
Stats are just that....stats.
I still think Bentonville will be defeat Trinity. Even before you posted all this stuff.
As far as worrying about what the posters think on here....I don't think they will think anything other than that we all sometimes joke around and that even I learned to never predict a score on here....some will be relentless if you get it wrong! Lol!!
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 15, 2013, 02:18:19 am
Texas, all I can say is Wow!
I think you and I both stated earlier that its a game that is settled on the field....right?
Stats are just that....stats.
I still think Bentonville will be defeat Trinity. Even before you posted all this stuff.
As far as worrying about what the posters think on here....I don't think they will think anything other than that we all sometimes joke around and that even I learned to never predict a score on here....some will be relentless if you get it wrong! Lol!!
Yep. Not just here. Any football message board. That's why I try to keep my predictions more general. After this week, I doubt I am going to even go there as far as a winner or loser in this game.
Quote from: spdawg94 on September 13, 2013, 02:15:48 pm
Go South Panola!!!!!!!!!!. In 2010 Euless thought they were gonna finish #1 in the nation yet that honor went to my South Panola Tigers...lolololololololololololololololololololololol Anywho...good luck versus that Walmart funded school tonight....lolololololololololololololololololololoolollolololol
Is that all you care about? What satisfaction do you get from a bunch a of reporters that vote on teams that haven't even seen play?
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 12:44:14 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 14, 2013, 10:57:49 pm
Amazing how my attitude has changed in the past 24 hours.
Knowing what I know about the top programs in OK, and how I consider the top couple of team in AR on par with that group, I think Trinity better be ready for a fight next week.
Coach Lunney will bring a solid game plan, our top RB will be back and we have found a QB that can throw.
Go Tigers!!!
I wouldn't get too excited. Both of Trinity's opponents are MUCH better than both of Bennie's opponents so far. Both games were a struggle for Bennie.
I still think Trinity will win, but they may just make y'all's soph QB look like Joe Montana in the process. Problem is, DeSoto stacked the box with nine for most of the game, just like Jenks did last week, yet Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards.
Oh well. After tonight, who knows? Maybe Bennie will beat Trinity.
I'm not, I think the game last night will just fire Trinity up. I posted Trinity would probably get spanked by Desoto and why that may not be good for Bentonville.
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Side question, Did I see you "AGAIN" on the TV broadcast at the Razorbacks game?
I told yll Deosoto is a bad matchup for Trinity. Then again there aren't gonna be many team that will stop them. If Bentonville can't run on BA they ain't gonna run the ball on Trinity. Thier sophomore qb will have to win the game.
Desoto would mercy rule every team in Arkansas this year.
Quote from: businesstron on September 15, 2013, 11:26:05 am
I told yll Deosoto is a bad matchup for Trinity. Then again there aren't gonna be many team that will stop them. If Bentonville can't run on BA they ain't gonna run the ball on Trinity. Thier sophomore qb will have to win the game.
Desoto would mercy rule every team in Arkansas this year.
First of all you act like Trinity is far above Broken Arrow as far as run defense, I think you are wrong. Second Bentonville has NOT had our starting running back in the first two games. I'm not saying we will just run over Trinity but lets not over state the matchup in Trinity's favor.
Your Cowgirls play the Chiefs today, that should be fun. I gave my tickets to my son and some buddies.
Quote from: businesstron on September 15, 2013, 11:26:05 am
Desoto would mercy rule every team in Arkansas this year.
Maybe, but one team we do know for sure DeSoto can Mercy rule is Trinity! ;D
It won't matter who's starting at running back. Bentonville was beat on the lines. You don't win running the ball against Trinity by running at them. I have no reason to believe bentonvilles running backs are better than Jenks. I know atleast one of Jenks running backs was a good player in Richardson. Jenks offensive philosophy is very similar to Bentonville.
Jenks is the best team in Ok right now and Union is right behind them. BA has is third until they prove it on the field. BA will struggle against Jenks defense this year...they only scored one td on them last year.
Also I'm a Chiefs fan first and then the Cowboys I was born in Overland Park and raised in Dallas. We actually drove up for the game but didn't want to spend $400 dollars on nosebleeds. Ill come back in a couple of weeks when the tickets are cheaper....
Quote from: businesstron on September 15, 2013, 12:44:34 pm
It won't matter who's starting at running back. Bentonville was beat on the lines. You don't win running the ball against Trinity by running at them. I have no reason to believe bentonvilles running backs are better than Jenks. I know atleast one of Jenks running backs was a good player in Richardson. Jenks offensive philosophy is very similar to Bentonville.
Jenks is the best team in Ok right now and Union is right behind them. BA has is third until they prove it on the field. BA will struggle against Jenks defense this year...they only scored one td on them last year.
Also I'm a Chiefs fan first and then the Cowboys I was born in Overland Park and raised in Dallas. We actually drove up for the game but didn't want to spend $400 dollars on nosebleeds. Ill come back in a couple of weeks when the tickets are cheaper....
They only scored one TD on Bentonville last year, so what? It means nothing.
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Very vague statement. I don't even know what that means. Maybe you should explain it better as to why you think that and compare it what seperates others from that distinction too.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 01:35:31 pm
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
Everything sucks. We all suck this year. The coaches, the players, the fans, the trainers are serving hot gatorade, the bus drivers are making illegal lane changes, the ticket takers aren't giving stubs back fast enough, the nacho cheese is watered down...it's bad all around.
Bentonville should win by 2 TDs.
Things are going so bad I will be surprised if the bus doesn't break down on the way to the game. ;D
Quote from: DPaul on September 15, 2013, 01:57:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 01:35:31 pm
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
Everything sucks. We all suck this year. The coaches, the players, the fans, the trainers are serving hot gatorade, the bus drivers are making illegal lane changes, the ticket takers aren't giving stubs back fast enough, the nacho cheese is watered down...it's bad all around.
Bentonville should win by 2 TDs.
LOL- I seriously doubt it's that bad, you guys may not have the team you have had in the past and neither does Bentonville from what I have seen so far. You have played two VERY Good teams in week 1 and 2. Very Good teams can and will exploit your weaknesses if you don't match up well.
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Trinity does not exist for athletics. Trinity is historically good at football, girls basketball & gymnastics. Every other sport is sometimes good, sometimes not. Trinity exist primarily to educate their students. Trinity also excels in Fine Arts.
I don't know enough about SC to compare, but given that SC is private and so much smaller, I doubt there is much comparison.
Why does
Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not
Bentonville?
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Trinity does not exist for athletics. Trinity is historically good at football, girls basketball & gymnastics. Every other sport is sometimes good, sometimes not. Trinity exist primarily to educate their students. Trinity also excels in Fine Arts.
I don't know enough about SC to compare, but given that SC is private and so much smaller, I doubt there is much comparison.
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Not sure why Smithian posted that, Trinity is NOTHING ANYTHING like a bigger Shiloh.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 01:35:31 pm
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
A. Actually the D-Line did put pressure on him. Would have had several sacks against lesser QBs. That's why he had 90+ yards rushing.
B. He is a Michael Vick type kid. Very shifty, quick, fast. Hard to contain. Hard to sack because of his escape ability. No miracle plays were needed really.
C. Secondary was outmanned (ie. DeSoto's WR's are so fast and quick) and one particular DB got picked on again this week, had his lunch ate.
D. No D. Get it? lol
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:37:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 01:35:31 pm
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
A. Actually the D-Line did put pressure on him. Would have had several sacks against lesser QBs. That's why he had 90+ yards rushing.
B. He is a Michael Vick type kid. Very shifty, quick, fast. Hard to contain. Hard to sack because of his escape ability. No miracle plays were needed really.
C. Secondary was outmanned (ie. DeSoto's WR's are so fast and quick) and one particular DB got picked on again this week, had his lunch ate.
D. No D. Get it? lol
Those kind of QB's can kill you, especially if you don't have the offensive power to smack them back.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 02:49:23 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:37:28 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 01:35:31 pm
Question for the Texas folks.
If Trinity got shredded by the QB for Desoto why?
A. Trojan d-line didn't put enough pressure on him?
B. Desoto QB was like Johnny Football and just ran around and made miracle plays?
C. The Big Trojan DB's just aren't very good.
D. All of the above.
A. Actually the D-Line did put pressure on him. Would have had several sacks against lesser QBs. That's why he had 90+ yards rushing.
B. He is a Michael Vick type kid. Very shifty, quick, fast. Hard to contain. Hard to sack because of his escape ability. No miracle plays were needed really.
C. Secondary was outmanned (ie. DeSoto's WR's are so fast and quick) and one particular DB got picked on again this week, had his lunch ate.
D. No D. Get it? lol
Those kind of QB's can kill you, especially if you don't have the offensive power to smack them back.
Yep. DeSoto's offense is a nightmare matchup for any team.
Quote from: businesstron on September 15, 2013, 11:26:05 am
I told yll Deosoto is a bad matchup for Trinity. Then again there aren't gonna be many team that will stop them. If Bentonville can't run on BA they ain't gonna run the ball on Trinity. Thier sophomore qb will have to win the game.
Desoto would mercy rule every team in Arkansas this year.
Cool story.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 11:00:12 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Side question, Did I see you "AGAIN" on the TV broadcast at the Razorbacks game?
Heavens no.
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Shiloh is notoriously cocky and think they are God's gift to high school football.
In other words, my young friend from Ft. Smith is suggesting that based upon the comments of some Trinity fans, one might arrive arrive at a similar conclusion regarding Trinity.
Y'all do seem to hold a high opinion of yourselves...
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
Trinity does not exist for athletics. Trinity is historically good at football, girls basketball & gymnastics. Every other sport is sometimes good, sometimes not. Trinity exist primarily to educate their students. Trinity also excels in Fine Arts.
I don't know enough about SC to compare, but given that SC is private and so much smaller, I doubt there is much comparison.
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Oh, make no mistake. Bentonville is snobby and reeks of narcissism. However, I'll cheer for our jackwagons over the ones from Texas.
I'm still waiting for Earl to get sick of the Bentonville folks so he can don the Mounties blue and fulfill his lifelong calling of opening an enchilada stand at all Rogers home games, er, matches.
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 04:20:17 pm
Oh, make no mistake. Bentonville is snobby and reeks of narcissism.
"Thou shall not speak ill of other Republicans."
-Ronald Regan
"Especially if one is desirous of political contributions for his candidate."
-Earl
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 15, 2013, 04:16:32 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Shiloh is notoriously cocky and think they are God's gift to high school football.
In other words, my young friend from Ft. Smith is suggesting that based upon the comments of some Trinity fans, one might arrive arrive at a similar conclusion regarding Trinity.
Y'all do seem to hold a high opinion of yourselves...
Bentonville is a city that has excellent political standing. As much as people try to paint Benton and Washington as "Yankee" it is a solid bastion of common sense in this state.
Ok, back on topic.
Like I said earlier; Goooooo Tigers!!!
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 15, 2013, 04:16:32 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Shiloh is notoriously cocky and think they are God's gift to high school football.
Y'all do seem to hold a high opinion of yourselves...
Well to be honest Trinity did back up your perceived perception of their self worth. The tiny little inexpensive private school media campaign wanna be powerhouse did not!
The great thing about this game is it doesn't have any real value to either team other than trying to correct some issues from their two previous games. There is no mythical national implications of any kind for either of these teams after their first two weeks. Of course they both will play to win. My guess no matter who wins, both will stomp through their conference play (AR) or District play (Tx) after this game.
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 15, 2013, 04:16:32 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Why does Trinity strike you as a bigger public version of Shiloh and not Bentonville?
Shiloh is notoriously cocky and think they are God's gift to high school football.
In other words, my young friend from Ft. Smith is suggesting that based upon the comments of some Trinity fans, one might arrive arrive at a similar conclusion regarding Trinity.
Y'all do seem to hold a high opinion of yourselves...
Interesting considering how we have said many times our team is not as good as in the past. None of us knew we had fallen SO FAR, SO FAST.
Let's see. We (I) have said Trinity is big, strong, fast, athletic with a strong rushing game and a good defense. Well everything is true except maybe for the good defense. Used to be true, but these first two games are making me think otherwise.
If I take a step back from the ledge for a moment, I can say, the run defense IS good. The weakness is the passing D. Clearly. We shut down Jenks running game, so at least that is something. DeSoto is a different story. I would have liked to have a better showing. Anyway.
We (some of us) has also said we think we are going to win the game against Bentonville.
If your criteria for having a high opinion of ourselves is that we think our team is going to win and pointing out our teams attributes and style of play, then I guess we are guilty. So too is most every fanbase.
As far as cocky, arrogant and thinking their team is Gods gift to HS football. Well, I have yet to find another program or fanbase anywhere in the same stratosphere as the cute little Saints.
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
I agree and they played on Saturday not Friday.
They are doomed and don't even know it....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Geez dude. :o Every time you mention the bus ride it gets longer. ;)
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:07:43 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Geez dude. Every time you mention the bus ride it gets longer.
Forgot how bad traffic was on Hwy 121....plus the 1 1/2 hours further Bennie is than Fort Smith....
You boys may want to consider a charter out of DFW airport....surely with all those Tongans that work at the airport, you can get a deal...
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:07:43 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Geez dude. Every time you mention the bus ride it gets longer.
He knows the drive, he's just messing with you.
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 06:14:49 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:07:43 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Geez dude. Every time you mention the bus ride it gets longer.
Forgot how bad traffic was on Hwy 121....plus the 1 1/2 hours further Bennie is than Fort Smith....
You boys may want to consider a charter out of DFW airport....surely with all those Tongans that work at the airport, you can get a deal...
I'm sure half the players can fly Non-Rev.
Anyway, 121 is nothing to worry about. They can go 121 North to Sam Rayburn Tollway all the way to Allen/McKinney. Very little traffic on that tollway. Once they get to McKinney, the drive is a breeze (traffic wise).
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:16:00 pm
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
I was afraid you would notice that, at least we now know you pay attention.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 06:20:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:16:00 pm
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
I was afraid you would notice that, at least we now know you pay attention.
I tried looking it up for the Rockhurst game, but I ain't buying no subscription to NWA papers, and KC Star ain't got HS coverage worth a crap.
Besides, I did watch the 2nd half of the game. It was hard not to notice.
BTW, Trinity only had 5 penalties vs. DeSoto, so they cleaned up that part of their game at least.
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:16:00 pm
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
Eight of those penalties were overturned by the Oklahoma Officials Association after they reviewed the film on Saturday.....and 6 of those 8 were charged back to Broken Arrow after the review....
But, you boys still hold the Guiness World Record for most Personal Fouls in a regulation game....so you've got that going for you....
Enjoy your 2 day journey to NWA.....
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:23:15 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 06:20:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:16:00 pm
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
I was afraid you would notice that, at least we now know you pay attention.
I tried looking it up for the Rockhurst game, but I ain't buying no subscription to NWA papers, and KC Star ain't got HS coverage worth a crap.
Besides, I did watch the 2nd half of the game. It was hard not to notice.
BTW, Trinity only had 5 penalties vs. DeSoto, so they cleaned up that part of their game at least.
I heard that Desoto was so fast that the Trojans couldn't catch them to "Personal Foul" them.... :o
I think we need a Super Secret thread, Bait.......
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:23:15 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 15, 2013, 06:20:21 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:16:00 pm
BTW Bait, I see how Bentonville had 13 penalties for 119 yards. That's a lot for a Looney coached team. ::)
From the BA Ledger:
TEAM STATISTICS
Team BA BV
First Downs 15 16
Rushing Attempts 31 31
Rushing Yards 108 75
Passes Completed 20 18
Passes Attempted 29 30
Had Intercepted 1 1
Passing Yards 228 207
Total Plays 60 61
Total Yards 336 282
Punts-Avg 5-34.0 4-42.2
Return Yards 177 6
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-0
Penalties-Yards 10-86 13-119
http://baledger.com/football_frenzy/ba-tops-bentonville/article_142a9a52-1c88-11e3-8860-0019bb2963f4.html
I was afraid you would notice that, at least we now know you pay attention.
I tried looking it up for the Rockhurst game, but I ain't buying no subscription to NWA papers, and KC Star ain't got HS coverage worth a crap.
Besides, I did watch the 2nd half of the game. It was hard not to notice.
BTW, Trinity only had 5 penalties vs. DeSoto, so they cleaned up that part of their game at least.
Just so you I know for a fact Bentonville has been penalized more than Trinity so far! But we got hosed in KC.
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 06:32:33 pm
I think we need a Super Secret thread, Bait.......
Crap SmithIan.....I'm already doing most of the heavy lifting for Bennie....you would think that Southside was playing Trinity...
..
Let them start their own "Secret" thread....
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 06:32:33 pm
I think we need a Super Secret thread, Bait.......
Crap SmithIan.....I'm already doing most of the heavy lifting for Bennie....you would think that Southside was playing Trinity...
..
Let them start their own "Secret" thread....
You know things are tough when folks look to BillyO as the spokesperson for Bentonville...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 15, 2013, 09:11:52 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 06:32:33 pm
I think we need a Super Secret thread, Bait.......
Crap SmithIan.....I'm already doing most of the heavy lifting for Bennie....you would think that Southside was playing Trinity...
..
Let them start their own "Secret" thread....
You know things are tough when folks look to BillyO as the spokesperson for Bentonville...
BillyO is good people.
You can have him.....he eats like one of those 17 years old Tongans that you boys have down there....and he likes to talk about "this one time, when I was playing football in Missouri..."
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 15, 2013, 09:11:52 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 06:54:23 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 06:32:33 pm
I think we need a Super Secret thread, Bait.......
Crap SmithIan.....I'm already doing most of the heavy lifting for Bennie....you would think that Southside was playing Trinity...
..
Let them start their own "Secret" thread....
You know things are tough when folks look to BillyO as the spokesperson for Bentonville...
I'm trying to help out my fellow Arkansans!
Quote from: Texas on September 15, 2013, 06:07:43 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 15, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
The 8 hour bus ride for Trinity is worth 10 points for Bennie....
Geez dude. :o Every time you mention the bus ride it gets longer. ;)
Heard on the news tonight that a major re-surfacing to 540N is starting Wednesday. Expect very long delays in the north bound lanes. Better make that a 12 hour bus ride.......
I just now realized the spelling of "Euless" has been corrected. Good job Arkies.
Quote from: DPaul on September 16, 2013, 10:24:20 am
I just now realized the spelling of "Euless" has been corrected. Good job Arkies.
You are welcome.
If you knew the individual that started the thread initially, you would understand.
Quote from: DPaul on September 16, 2013, 10:24:20 am
I just now realized the spelling of "Euless" has been corrected. Good job Arkies.
(Whispers) Be nice, else they might change it back. ;)
Tiger fans, are we sure who will start at QB this week. I'm 99% sure we will see Dylan Smith return this week at running back. DS and HK are different style Rb's will be nice to change it up at times.
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 16, 2013, 10:35:34 am
Quote from: DPaul on September 16, 2013, 10:24:20 am
I just now realized the spelling of "Euless" has been corrected. Good job Arkies.
You are welcome.
If you knew the individual that started the thread initially, you would understand.
We have a guy like that on our board too. We call him Rad
IMPORTANT NEWS:
Friday's game will have a 7 p.m. kickoff instead of the normal 7:30. Don't want the Texas contingent showing up late. They'll have enough problems trying to dodge all the motorcycles in the area this weekend, like we will.
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 16, 2013, 12:18:18 pm
IMPORTANT NEWS:
Friday's game will have a 7 p.m. kickoff instead of the normal 7:30. Don't want the Texas contingent showing up late. They'll have enough problems trying to dodge all the motorcycles in the area this weekend, like we will.
Hmmm...
I forgot about Bikes, Blues, and BBQ.
Looks like a 14 hour bus ride for the Trinity Tongans...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 16, 2013, 03:26:19 pm
Quote from: SouthpawSensation on September 16, 2013, 12:18:18 pm
IMPORTANT NEWS:
Friday's game will have a 7 p.m. kickoff instead of the normal 7:30. Don't want the Texas contingent showing up late. They'll have enough problems trying to dodge all the motorcycles in the area this weekend, like we will.
Hmmm...
I forgot about Bikes, Blues, and BBQ.
Looks like a 14 hour bus ride for the Trinity Tongans...
Wow, you sound a little out of touch, this was mentioned several days ago on here!
Site finally back up. Wow.
Did it rain there yesterday? The forecast calls for a 30%-40% chance of scattered or isolated thunderstorms all week including Friday.
Yeah...Bennie is known for watering down their field...better bring your "mudder" cleats....
Oh, and the team should probably leave early.....when it rains on the hill, all that water runs down I-540 and it's like salmon having to swim upstream....will probably add 2+ hours to your already 10 hour trip...
Is this game televised if so what channels?
Quote from: Texas on August 16, 2013, 02:35:38 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
;D
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This poster should have been banned fore this post. Breaks rules regarding profanity and hiding it.
BAN THIS MAN.
Quote from: apache_alum_90 on September 17, 2013, 12:39:22 pm
Is this game televised if so what channels?
Not that I know of but you can watch on the internet by webcast.
http://bentonvillehsfootball.com/Home
I watched last weeks game and it worked great, plugged an HDMI cable from my laptop to a 60" flat screen.
Quote from: Smithian on September 17, 2013, 12:47:33 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 16, 2013, 02:35:38 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
;D
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This poster should have been banned fore this post. Breaks rules regarding profanity and hiding it.
BAN THIS MAN.
The rules do not apply to everyone seems on FF. They pick and choose.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 17, 2013, 12:57:04 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 17, 2013, 12:47:33 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 16, 2013, 02:35:38 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
;D
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This poster should have been banned fore this post. Breaks rules regarding profanity and hiding it.
BAN THIS MAN.
The rules do not apply to everyone seems on FF. They pick and choose.
QF would have cracked down on this. Bless her soul. She's in a better place, somewhere in the sky eating Oreos and hanging out with Lennay Kekua.
Quote from: Smithian on September 17, 2013, 12:47:33 pm
Quote from: Texas on August 16, 2013, 02:35:38 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 pm
I am afraid this thread may be too nice for me.
Texas appears to be way too nice!
Diehard tries to talk trash but definitely too nice!
Heck even Billyo seems to have turned over a new leaf and pretty much gave me a free ride on my comment.
Anyone know where the ballet board is located, I need to find someone who will give a good fight.
;D
(http://images.obesityhelp.com/uploads/profile/801513/albums/74272/PicardInsult-471235851.jpg)
This poster should have been banned fore this post. Breaks rules regarding profanity and hiding it.
BAN THIS MAN.
Are working on your Jr. Deputy badge for FF law enforcement? ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 17, 2013, 01:11:50 pmAre working on your Jr. Deputy badge for FF law enforcement? ;)
Yup!
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Quote from: Smithian on September 17, 2013, 01:27:31 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 17, 2013, 01:11:50 pmAre working on your Jr. Deputy badge for FF law enforcement? ;)
Yup!
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LOL- I love it. We need more Smithian on here! :)
Quote from: Baitshop on September 17, 2013, 11:01:31 am
Yeah...Bennie is known for watering down their field...better bring your "mudder" cleats....
Oh, and the team should probably leave early.....when it rains on the hill, all that water runs down I-540 and it's like salmon having to swim upstream....will probably add 2+ hours to your already 10 hour trip...
I seriously doubt if it rains non stop it will have anything to do with the outcome of this game because it sounds like neither team can pass the ball well.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 17, 2013, 02:27:40 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 17, 2013, 11:01:31 am
Yeah...Bennie is known for watering down their field...better bring your "mudder" cleats....
Oh, and the team should probably leave early.....when it rains on the hill, all that water runs down I-540 and it's like salmon having to swim upstream....will probably add 2+ hours to your already 10 hour trip...
I seriously doubt if it rains non stop it will have anything to do with the outcome of this game because it sounds like neither team can pass the ball well.
Might help. If neither team passes.
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
And you would be completely wrong about that.
Did someone say the backup BHS QB is a 6'5" sophomore? I saw a picture of the guy...boy, does he have muscles in his arms. Saw in the paper also that he passed for over 100 yards last Friday so he can throw, plus he's not afraid to run it. If the young man keeps getting better he'll likely be Bennie Unified's last starting QB before the big split, and may be quite a QB at that.
Bad news is, when DeSoto put their sophomore QB in on Saturday ET totally got in his head. Think he threw two oskies in his first two series. They had to bring the starter back in for one series to remind everyone that DeSHS still had everything under control (which was evident again when he finished). Good thing the backup QB (Lunney said Slocum is still the man) is ripped, 'cause E.T. will work to rip him to shreds on Friday.
BTW, billyo, saw where DH is now officially the backup at Henderson State, which is now #9 in NCAA D II and an offense machine. DH in mopup duty is completing 76% of his passes so he's picking up where he left off. ;)
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 17, 2013, 02:27:40 pm
Quote from: Baitshop on September 17, 2013, 11:01:31 am
Yeah...Bennie is known for watering down their field...better bring your "mudder" cleats....
Oh, and the team should probably leave early.....when it rains on the hill, all that water runs down I-540 and it's like salmon having to swim upstream....will probably add 2+ hours to your already 10 hour trip...
I seriously doubt if it rains non stop it will have anything to do with the outcome of this game because it sounds like neither team can pass the ball well.
"Pass the ball?".....what is this thing you speak of?
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 17, 2013, 08:03:49 pm
Quote from: Smithian on September 15, 2013, 10:55:40 am
Pulling hard for Bentonville in this one.
Although I will always appreciate Euless Trinity for their epic smack down on Shiloh Christian, I have reservations about schools that seem to exist for athletics. Euless Trinity strikes me as a larger, public school version of Shiloh Christian.
Goooooo Tigers!
And you would be completely wrong about that.
He's been made aware that was an idiotic comment.
Where else can you go for football and free dance lessons.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 17, 2013, 11:06:19 pm
Where else can you go for football and free dance lessons.
Now your catching on. ;D
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 16, 2013, 11:54:22 am
Tiger fans, are we sure who will start at QB this week. I'm 99% sure we will see Dylan Smith return this week at running back. DS and HK are different style Rb's will be nice to change it up at times.
If our line doesn't do a better job, Emmitt Smith wouldn't help.
Quote from: HSFB Fan on September 17, 2013, 08:03:49 pm
And you would be completely wrong about that.
Keep telling yourself that.
Quote from: DPaul on September 17, 2013, 10:46:19 pmHe's been made aware that was an idiotic comment.
You live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 am
Quote from: DPaul on September 17, 2013, 10:46:19 pmHe's been made aware that was an idiotic comment.
You live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
So how many times have you hung to old fart Frank's?
Quote from: cuckoobird on September 18, 2013, 08:41:19 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 am
Quote from: DPaul on September 17, 2013, 10:46:19 pmHe's been made aware that was an idiotic comment.
You live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
So how many times have you hung to old fart Frank's?
No one is perfect. We don't pay our mistake $5+ million a year.
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
Euless 35
Bentonville 28
Would be first time Tigers have lost back-to-back home games since Tiger Stadium opened in 2005.
Quote from: elswagado on September 18, 2013, 09:01:35 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
I bet it's less than that. Texas,
ATM, Baylor, Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas, UTEP, Texas State. That's a lot of schools with a small piece of the pie. The first two have huge pieces, the next four have smaller but still substantial pieces, then all the rest. It's not like Arkansas at all, where 90% of the state root for one major college team. I bet it's more 33% Texas, 33%
ATM, then the rest split the remainder. So your suggestion is that most of the state worships or supports Mack is flat out wrong. Also elswagado is right. There have been firemackbrown.com type websites since before the '05 title.
Quote from: DerekOxford on September 18, 2013, 09:34:48 am
Euless 35
Bentonville 28
Would be first time Tigers have lost back-to-back home games since Tiger Stadium opened in 2005.
We've talked about this game for so long it's hard to believe it's here.
Both teams are down a bit and have played sloppy at times.
With that said, I like the home team in a close game.
34-31 Bville. Go Tigers!
Texas, I notice you change your signature pics quite often. Are any of the players yours by chance? If you have said before please forgive me.
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on September 18, 2013, 08:46:20 pm
Texas, I notice you change your signature pics quite often. Are any of the players yours by chance? If you have said before please forgive me.
Mine as in my children? Nah. I don't have any boys. Just a 13 year old girl in 8th grade. She will follow in my footsteps and go to Trinity though.
Team left this morning. We'll be leaving early Friday. Are they still calling for rain at game time?
Also, any suggestions for a pre-game meal would be appreciated.
Looking forward to a good game and a safe trip for everyone.
Hey ya'll,
I know quite a few Arkansas prep football teams have beaten Texas prep powerhouse teams over the years, but which one of those victories would you consider the most impressive? That is, the closest to seeing an Arkansas team today beat an Allen or DeSoto-caliber team?
I know in the 40s-60s Texarkana (Tex.) High was considered an elite Texas team and beat Arkansas High 20 straight times. In that stretch, LR Central handled them in 1957 by a score of 54-13:
http://www.setxdist.com/wdm9.htm (http://www.setxdist.com/wdm9.htm)
Perhaps, there were more recent wins that were also very impressive.
https://twitter.com/evindemirel (https://twitter.com/evindemirel)
Trinty had a ruff start to the season and will be hungry to prove a point and bring home a win.
Early season struggles are not new for Trinity. Jenks was a decent game with a lot of mistakes. 15 penalties, I think. Yet, they still almost pulled it out. DeSoto is on a completely different level than Trinity and will make a LOT of teams look bad. Most people expect either DeSoto or Allen to win the title this year. Right now, Trinity is a team with a lot of nice pieces to the puzzle, but just trying to figure things out before district starts next week. One thing for sure, you will not see many of these things called forward passes from this group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfHyWsv-mo
Year 2012
Quote from: KattMatt on September 19, 2013, 09:08:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfHyWsv-mo
Year 2012
That just makes me laugh. It really does. It would be cooler if didn't originate in a country where everyone decided it was better to move to Dallas to "work at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport as baggage handlers and food-service employees ... others are self-employed as landscapers, carpenters and masons" than to stay in the home land.
On the other hand, those folks are smart enough to know it is better to live in the US on an honest living than live as kings anywhere else.
Quote from: Texas on September 18, 2013, 10:43:57 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 18, 2013, 09:01:35 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
I bet it's less than that. Texas, ATM, Baylor, Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas, UTEP, Texas State. That's a lot of schools with a small piece of the pie. The first two have huge pieces, the next four have smaller but still substantial pieces, then all the rest. It's not like Arkansas at all, where 90% of the state root for one major college team. I bet it's more 33% Texas, 33% ATM, then the rest split the remainder. So your suggestion is that most of the state worships or supports Mack is flat out wrong. Also elswagado is right. There have been firemackbrown.com type websites since before the '05 title.
My opinion of you just sky rocketed.
Quote from: Smithian on September 19, 2013, 09:20:15 am
Quote from: KattMatt on September 19, 2013, 09:08:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfHyWsv-mo
Year 2012
That just makes me laugh. It really does. It would be cooler if didn't originate in a country where everyone decided it was better to move to Dallas to "work at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport as baggage handlers and food-service employees ... others are self-employed as landscapers, carpenters and masons" than to stay in the home land.
On the other hand, those folks are smart enough to know it is better to live in the US on an honest living than live as kings anywhere else.
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Quote from: Smithian on September 19, 2013, 09:21:06 am
Quote from: Texas on September 18, 2013, 10:43:57 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 18, 2013, 09:01:35 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
I bet it's less than that. Texas, ATM, Baylor, Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas, UTEP, Texas State. That's a lot of schools with a small piece of the pie. The first two have huge pieces, the next four have smaller but still substantial pieces, then all the rest. It's not like Arkansas at all, where 90% of the state root for one major college team. I bet it's more 33% Texas, 33% ATM, then the rest split the remainder. So your suggestion is that most of the state worships or supports Mack is flat out wrong. Also elswagado is right. There have been firemackbrown.com type websites since before the '05 title.
My opinion of you just sky rocketed.
(Okay, I'll bite ::))
Oh really? Why is that?
Quote from: Texas on September 19, 2013, 10:46:11 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 19, 2013, 09:21:06 am
Quote from: Texas on September 18, 2013, 10:43:57 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 18, 2013, 09:01:35 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
I bet it's less than that. Texas, ATM, Baylor, Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas, UTEP, Texas State. That's a lot of schools with a small piece of the pie. The first two have huge pieces, the next four have smaller but still substantial pieces, then all the rest. It's not like Arkansas at all, where 90% of the state root for one major college team. I bet it's more 33% Texas, 33% ATM, then the rest split the remainder. So your suggestion is that most of the state worships or supports Mack is flat out wrong. Also elswagado is right. There have been firemackbrown.com type websites since before the '05 title.
My opinion of you just sky rocketed.
(Okay, I'll bite ::))
Oh really? Why is that?
Hint: he goes to the UofA and any time there is a TV camera at the game he gets ON the broadcast, and I'm not kidding.
Just heard a report from an inside source. Trinity is now in Bentonville.
From the inside source:
"Just walked the field at Tiger Stadium. Odd layout. Makes the field look small. Yall will see what I mean when you get here."
That means you can stop talking about the long bus ride. I look forward to the drive out there tomorrow.
Quote from: Texas on September 19, 2013, 02:41:53 pm
Just heard a report from an inside source. Trinity is now in Bentonville.
From the inside source:
"Just walked the field at Tiger Stadium. Odd layout. Makes the field look small. Yall will see what I mean when you get here."
That means you can stop talking about the long bus ride. I look forward to the drive out there tomorrow.
BS, we know it ain't Allen. And we know you ain't in town yet.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 19, 2013, 03:57:08 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 19, 2013, 02:41:53 pm
Just heard a report from an inside source. Trinity is now in Bentonville.
From the inside source:
"Just walked the field at Tiger Stadium. Odd layout. Makes the field look small. Yall will see what I mean when you get here."
That means you can stop talking about the long bus ride. I look forward to the drive out there tomorrow.
BS, we know it ain't Allen. And we know you ain't in town yet.
Whatever. My source is a Euless police officer. Everyone knows the police don't lie. :-\
I guess everyone saw in the paper today that Ford will start for the Tigers tomorrow night. With his arm, and Smith back at TB, I like our chances.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 19, 2013, 08:05:13 pm
I guess everyone saw in the paper today that Ford will start for the Tigers tomorrow night. With his arm, and Smith back at TB, I like our chances.
Ford. Was that the Soph from the last few weeks or the original starter?
Quote from: Texas on September 19, 2013, 08:47:42 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 19, 2013, 08:05:13 pm
I guess everyone saw in the paper today that Ford will start for the Tigers tomorrow night. With his arm, and Smith back at TB, I like our chances.
Ford. Was that the Soph from the last few weeks or the original starter?
Ford is the Soph. Big kid; nice looking athlete. Just needs to take care of the ball.
I only bring this up because there was mention made of the correct spelling of Euless. I looked at their booster site and their game this Friday is against Bentonville, AK. That's a bit longer than a 10hr drive haha. All in good fun, I guess Arkansas is abbreviated as AK rather than AR more often than not. Learn your states Texas...
http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/ (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/)
Quote from: Kazimierz on September 19, 2013, 09:02:40 pm
I only bring this up because there was mention made of the correct spelling of Euless. I looked at their booster site and their game this Friday is against Bentonville, AK. That's a bit longer than a 10hr drive haha. All in good fun, I guess Arkansas is abbreviated as AK rather than AR more often than not. Learn your states Texas...
http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/ (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/)
Could be a typo, probably not but your right, it's a common mistake.
Quote from: Texas on September 19, 2013, 10:46:11 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 19, 2013, 09:21:06 am
Quote from: Texas on September 18, 2013, 10:43:57 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 18, 2013, 09:01:35 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 18, 2013, 08:38:23 amYou live in the state that hangs from Mack Brown's man parts and you're calling something I write "idiotic"? Shame on a Texas cracker
50% of Texas residents wanted Mack gone 4 years ago, the other 50% are A&M fans.
I bet it's less than that. Texas, ATM, Baylor, Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas, UTEP, Texas State. That's a lot of schools with a small piece of the pie. The first two have huge pieces, the next four have smaller but still substantial pieces, then all the rest. It's not like Arkansas at all, where 90% of the state root for one major college team. I bet it's more 33% Texas, 33% ATM, then the rest split the remainder. So your suggestion is that most of the state worships or supports Mack is flat out wrong. Also elswagado is right. There have been firemackbrown.com type websites since before the '05 title.
My opinion of you just sky rocketed.
(Okay, I'll bite ::))
Oh really? Why is that?
Because we have some folks on this board who deny reality. Don't worry, I was being sincere.
Quote from: Kazimierz on September 19, 2013, 09:02:40 pm
I only bring this up because there was mention made of the correct spelling of Euless. I looked at their booster site and their game this Friday is against Bentonville, AK. That's a bit longer than a 10hr drive haha. All in good fun, I guess Arkansas is abbreviated as AK rather than AR more often than not. Learn your states Texas...
http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/ (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/)
+1
What Arkansas HS team has ever beaten a Texas powerhouse HS team? Texarkana has had some good teams but they are not the a powerhouse of Texas HS football.
My Dad played on that 57 Texas High Team, he broke his arm before that game. Texas High was limping when Central High played them and you know it! >:(
That 57' Central squad were the high school national champions if I'm not mistaken. So limping or not Valley, it may not have made much of a difference who was playing. Looking back at that schedule, they were simply drilling everyone.
Hey guys.... I've read that the game will be streamed at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com but I don't see any stream link on that page. Can anyone tell me exactly where to go there to view the game tonight?
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 09:18:44 am
Hey guys.... I've read that the game will be streamed at www.bentonvillehsfootball.com but I don't see any stream link on that page. Can anyone tell me exactly where to go there to view the game tonight?
It should be in big letters and an icon on the home page, just click on it just before game time. Worked great last week.
http://bentonvillehsfootball.com/Home
You can't miss it.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 09:26:34 amIt should be in big letters and an icon on the home page, just click on it just before game time. Worked great last week.
http://bentonvillehsfootball.com/Home
You can't miss it.
D'oh! Why are things always so obvious after someone points them out to you?
Clap for BillyO, slap for me. Gracias.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 09:32:12 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 09:26:34 amIt should be in big letters and an icon on the home page, just click on it just before game time. Worked great last week.
http://bentonvillehsfootball.com/Home
You can't miss it.
D'oh! Why are things always so obvious after someone points them out to you?
Clap for BillyO, slap for me. Gracias.
No Big deal
You might want to go down to the The Tiger report. It's a TV show with coach Lunney they do on the Saturday after that weeks game. Can be interesting to watch.
Bentonville players and parents of players, here's an interesting little tidbit.
Exactly a year ago at this time (though not the exact date) BHS entertained South Panola, a team so big that Coach Lunney said people were joking that "Ole Miss had taken the field at Bentonville". Many knew they'd been the Rivals and USA Today MNCs (deserving or not, they were good enough to merit the consideration) less than two years earlier. No one knew that they'd go on to finish the season as the #1 ranked team in Mississippi, which they've so far carried over to this season. (Better watch your defense, guys, or you may not be there for long, but that's for a Mississippi board.)
As of today, a young man who played just a year ago at the "Arkansas" Tiger Stadium (SoPan are tigers, too), Tony Conner, is now the fourth leading tackler for #22 ranked Ole Miss (which just embarrassed Texas - God bless Mack Brown, a good man), and is 2nd on the team in interceptions (he may have directly help Ole Miss win the Vanderbilt game with a pivotal one) and tied for third in PBUs and QB hurries on the young season. Ole Miss, like South Panola, needs to work on its defense but that is understandable when you've got freshmen at key positions there.
And young Mr. Conner, only one year removed from being on the field (and beaten soundly with his team, which also had other Rivals 4-star recruits) at Bentonville is the leading freshman player on the Ole Miss defense right now, statistically (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/OleMissStats.pdf). Leading every other freshman Ole Miss player. Including this one, the "consensus #1 recruit" (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robert_nkemdiche_856431.html) from the high school class of 2013, projected as the SEC newcomer of the year.
You just never know who's gonna show up at Tiger Stadium in the Lunney era on the visitor's side.
Never give up, Bentonville. Play hard and have fun tonight. :)
I'm glad this game is finally here. I am looking forward to the outcome of this game and several others.
Happy Friday! :)
I hope it turns out well for the good guys tonight.
According to Josh Frazier on Twitter a Trinity team from Texas was supposed to work out at Har-Ber on Thursday.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 10:14:32 am
I hope it turns out well for the good guys tonight.
It looks like Trinity is going to try and run it down our throats, This may look like a Cabot vs West Memphis game with better players. Bentonville MUST be able to pass in this game with some success.
Will be interesting to see if a one dimensional team can beat Bennie. I just can't see it but do realize the talent is different.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 10:35:19 am
Will be interesting to see if a one dimensional team can beat Bennie. I just can't see it but do realize the talent is different.
1. Can Bentonville keep Ellsworth/Wilson from breaking a big one more than twice
2. Can Bentonville pass for 150 or > yards
Do those two things and Tigers win
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 11:01:57 am
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 10:35:19 am
Will be interesting to see if a one dimensional team can beat Bennie. I just can't see it but do realize the talent is different.
1. Can Bentonville keep Ellsworth/Wilson from breaking a big one more than twice
2. Can Bentonville pass for 150 or > yards
Do those two things and Tigers win
Bentonville in the past has never had a team that allowed RB's to get multiple big runaway TD's, we historically have problems with teams that have decent to Very good QB's that are also mobile. Not saying the Trojans won't grind out a lot of yards on the ground, just don't see multiple big breakaway runs.
I agree. I think Bentonville will come up with the win.
Looks like its going to be a great night for some down and dirty football. Lol! :)
::)
Here's a crazy potential stat for the minds and fans of the 7A.
If Bentonville wins and I say IF. We would be 2-1 and our 2 wins would be over teams that haven't won a game.
Quote from: Valleysports on September 20, 2013, 01:28:33 pm
::)
Shouldn't you be concentrating on Alma beating the tarnation out of Russellville? Lol
Yeah I just said it!!! Alma Wins!!!
Well. I just got here. We are at a hotel in Rogers. I guess my brother figured we couldn't afford a hotel in Bentonville proper. Made good time. Took less than six hours.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 09:43:25 am
Bentonville players and parents of players, here's an interesting little tidbit.
Exactly a year ago at this time (though not the exact date) BHS entertained South Panola, a team so big that Coach Lunney said people were joking that "Ole Miss had taken the field at Bentonville". Many knew they'd been the Rivals and USA Today MNCs (deserving or not, they were good enough to merit the consideration) less than two years earlier. No one knew that they'd go on to finish the season as the #1 ranked team in Mississippi, which they've so far carried over to this season. (Better watch your defense, guys, or you may not be there for long, but that's for a Mississippi board.)
As of today, a young man who played just a year ago at the "Arkansas" Tiger Stadium (SoPan are tigers, too), Tony Conner, is now the fourth leading tackler for #22 ranked Ole Miss (which just embarrassed Texas - God bless Mack Brown, a good man), and is 2nd on the team in interceptions (he may have directly help Ole Miss win the Vanderbilt game with a pivotal one) and tied for third in PBUs and QB hurries on the young season. Ole Miss, like South Panola, needs to work on its defense but that is understandable when you've got freshmen at key positions there.
And young Mr. Conner, only one year removed from being on the field (and beaten soundly with his team, which also had other Rivals 4-star recruits) at Bentonville is the leading freshman player on the Ole Miss defense right now, statistically (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/OleMissStats.pdf). Leading every other freshman Ole Miss player. Including this one, the "consensus #1 recruit" (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robert_nkemdiche_856431.html) from the high school class of 2013, projected as the SEC newcomer of the year.
You just never know who's gonna show up at Tiger Stadium in the Lunney era on the visitor's side.
Never give up, Bentonville. Play hard and have fun tonight. :)
It doesn't take much these days to do that.
Quote from: Texas on September 20, 2013, 02:02:52 pm
Well. I just got here. We are at a hotel in Rogers. I guess my brother figured we couldn't afford a hotel in Bentonville proper. Made good time. Took less than six hours.
Awesome, Hope you guys get some good eats and enjoy the game.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 02:40:13 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 20, 2013, 02:02:52 pm
Well. I just got here. We are at a hotel in Rogers. I guess my brother figured we couldn't afford a hotel in Bentonville proper. Made good time. Took less than six hours.
Awesome, Hope you guys get some good eats and enjoy the game.
Thinkin' we'll head over to Emma Ruth's about 4P. I heard the food was good. Anyone else want to come?
3404 SE Macy Rd.
Bentonville
http://www.menupix.com/menudirectory/menu.php?id=380179374
Quote from: urban legend2 on September 20, 2013, 08:29:08 am
That 57' Central squad were the high school national champions if I'm not mistaken. So limping or not Valley, it may not have made much of a difference who was playing. Looking back at that schedule, they were simply drilling everyone.
*Wild tangent alert*
What did "national champion" high school team mean then - or now for that matter? In 2010, with jet planes, recruiting websites that fly people all over the country to see games, nationally televised high school football every single week, and media dedicated to nothing BUT this we still had one outfit pegging Shiloh as national preseason #1, when they would not have been #1 in Arkansas, or top 50 in Texas to be candid. Almost every year I see some national group rank the Texas teams with some absolute absurdities thrown in, making it obvious they had zero clue what they are talking about. In 1957 the outfit that named that team #1 probably had nothing more than wire reports of schedules/scores. Not to dimiss that team, I'm sure they were monsters, but who the heck knows with that topic, even today.
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Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 02:40:13 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 20, 2013, 02:02:52 pm
Well. I just got here. We are at a hotel in Rogers. I guess my brother figured we couldn't afford a hotel in Bentonville proper. Made good time. Took less than six hours.
Awesome, Hope you guys get some good eats and enjoy the game.
Thinkin' we'll head over to Emma Ruth's about 4P. I heard the food was good. Anyone else want to come?
3404 SE Macy Rd.
Bentonville
http://www.menupix.com/menudirectory/menu.php?id=380179374
Hope the food is good and maybe the Earl will be your server. Definitely a short drive to the stadium.
Texas and TrinityTrojan80 sitting down to dinner with Earl right now at Emma Ruth's
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 20, 2013, 04:05:19 pm
Texas and TrinityTrojan80 sitting down to dinner with Earl right now at Emma Ruth's
Awesome sounds like they will get some good service.
They must have left yesterday to be there by now. Isn't that a 20 hour drive? ;)
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 04:31:12 pm
They must have left yesterday to be there by now. Isn't that a 20 hour drive? ;)
Texans drive fast.
You're thinking of El Dorado 7AFBFAN
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 04:31:12 pm
They must have left yesterday to be there by now. Isn't that a 20 hour drive? ;)
They left at midnight and pulled in around 4:15
Is Jaron Wilson hurt?
Boy, every big Trinity play coming back.
There's Wilson. Different game when he plays.
Bentonville ain't that good this year and Trinity ain't either.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 07:58:43 pm
Bentonville ain't that good this year and Trinity ain't either.
You right. Trinity's QB issues & penalties were critical. Again. Pretty disappointed to not see a switch there. And why wouldn't Wilson be taking 90% of the snaps at RB?!? No-brainer.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 07:58:43 pm
Bentonville ain't that good this year and Trinity ain't either.
Welp! At least your fair Billyo :)
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 08:00:55 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 07:58:43 pm
Bentonville ain't that good this year and Trinity ain't either.
You right. Trinity's QB issues & penalties were critical. Again. Pretty disappointed to not see a switch there. And why wouldn't Wilson be taking 90% of the snaps at RB?!? No-brainer.
Honestly so far it's how stupid can we be and how many flags can we get thrown against us.
Billy - what happened on Trinity's first possession of the game where the punt went down inside the BVille game but the refs game the ball 1st and 10 around midfield?
Home cooking.....you should have brought you own officials if you wanted calls to go your way...
The Cracker Barrel ain't the only home cooking in Bentonville...
Quote from: Baitshop on September 20, 2013, 08:15:20 pm
Home cooking.....you should have brought you own officials if you wanted calls to go your way...
The Cracker Barrel ain't the only home cooking in Bentonville...
LOL. No comment. Trinity has to play better if they want to win, regardless of circumstances. 3 big play downs killed by snap fumble or qb trip, and pretty much every big play negated by penalty (at least some of em valid). You can't win like that, and Trinity may well be 0-3 to start the year.
The last 3 drives Trinity's o-line has dominated Bentonville's.
Quote from: businesstron on September 20, 2013, 08:34:37 pm
The last 3 drives Trinity's o-line has dominated Bentonville's.
The difference is Wilson, also. I get ET wanting to get the SRs time but play the kid.
Bentonvilles OC is a NOOB and it shows.
New QB promptly rushes for 15..... called back.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 08:42:00 pm
New QB promptly rushes for 15..... called back.
Hate to wake you up every ref in Arkansas hates Bentonville.
If Trinity's OC does anything besides Wilson left, Wilson right, Wilson up the middle, he needs to walk back to Tejas.
I don't think either coach will be putting this one on his personal highlight reel. You would never guess that these are some of the winningest teams in their respective states. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
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Bentonville as not great as they are will BUTT stomp the teams of the 7A west.
Trinity's gotta figure something out with QB and eliminate penalties. That's it. They aren't good enough to beat Allen, Desoto, etc., anyway, but good grief do they kill themselves.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 09:12:05 pm
Trinity's gotta figure something out with QB and eliminate penalties. That's it. They aren't good enough to beat Allen, Desoto, etc., anyway, but good grief do they kill themselves.
Dude Trinity ain't good enough to win the 7A west conference in Arkansas .
Trinity has had the ball most of the 4th qtr. This might be it....
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The refs have kept Bentonville in the game. These calls are horrible.
None of us were even thought of back then and not sure what was put into that distinction but I'm sure they were as good as they were advertised by the looks of their scores. Hard to determine any kind of national champ without a true HS playoff. All perception.
That's game. Trinity wins 21-13
Quote from: businesstron on September 20, 2013, 09:24:20 pm
The refs have kept Bentonville in the game. These calls are horrible.
Trinity was so sloppy and so many calls were valid that any right to whine goes out the window anyway, but I agree that this game was a little closer than it probably would've been elsewhere. Lot to work on for both sides. For all the big plays Trinity had called back, Bentonville missed a lot of opportunities also.
Quote from: urban legend2 on September 20, 2013, 09:30:56 pm
None of us were even thought of back then and not sure what was put into that distinction but I'm sure they were as good as they were advertised by the looks of their scores. Hard to determine any kind of national champ without a true HS playoff. All perception.
No doubt. I have been told before by TX people that some of the LR teams back in those days were 100% legit.
And btw, anyone knowledgeable enough to cite 1957 football is good people in my book!
Sloppy game by both teams.
Trinity isn't good and Bentonville is worse.
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on September 20, 2013, 09:52:19 pm
Sloppy game by both teams.
Trinity isn't good and Bentonville is worse.
I think both sides are rightfully disappointed, but I suspect Bentonville will still be one of the best 2 or 3 teams in Arkansas and still as good a bet as anyone to win it all. Bentonville did better in the trenches against Trinity than Jenks did (that's something to build off of), BVille's QB will grow up, and the execution issues will be corrected for BVille, also, I'd heavily wager. Lot of those holding penatlies were because they were getting beat and had to hold, and they won't get beat like that against many Arky teams. Ditto the facemask calls, lot of times they had to grab something just to make a play, they won't be in that position as much in the future. It's not like they just suddenly became an undisciplined team overnight, there's a reason for it.
Congrats Trinity on a hard fought game. Same as last week, in the 2nd half Bville didn't want it as much as Trinity.
Both teams played sloppy, but #28 for Trinity was the difference. He is a very tough runner that is hard to bring down. He wore down Bville's D late in the game. Overall though, I was very impressed with our D.
Bville has to find a way to improve the play-calling and move the ball. It did hurt that JJ didn't play; he would have made a difference. Not saying we would have won, but he is a big target in the red zone. I can't figure out why we kept trying to run the ball in the 2nd half. We were getting no movement up front, our backs were not hitting the line hard and Trinity has exceptional closing speed.
I liked how Ford throws the ball. He made a couple of mistakes, but overall he kept his composure and played well. He will get better each week.
Both teams still have a lot to work on. Good game all around.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 09:07:17 pm
Bentonville as not great as they are will BUTT stomp the teams of the 7A west.
Really? ::) Will they use a HAMMER?
Not sure Bville will stomp teams this year, but I do expect to win out the next 7 games and be ready for a nice playoff run!
I still think Bville and NLR are the teams to beat.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 20, 2013, 10:15:44 pmOverall though, I was very impressed with our D.
Me too.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 20, 2013, 10:15:44 pmI liked how Ford throws the ball. He made a couple of mistakes, but overall he kept his composure and played well. He will get better each week.
He will end up a good one. Even though pass defense isn't exactly Trinity's forte (heh, yeah, last week), that's a big time environment to get thrown into. Very solid OL, solid RBs, and good defense should allow him to grow rest of the regular season.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 20, 2013, 10:26:48 pm
Not sure Bville will stomp teams this year, but I do expect to win out the next 7 games and be ready for a nice playoff run!
I still think Bville and NLR are the teams to beat.
NLR's star went down with a knee injury tonight.
Hate to hear that. I hope he is ok.
Any news yet on how bad?
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 20, 2013, 10:37:55 pm
Hate to hear that. I hope he is ok.
Any news yet on how bad?
Not yet
Trinity will be lucky to make it out of the first round of playoffs with the talent they have this year.
It's interesting the think they beat one of the best teams in all of Arkansas 21-13, yet they were down to a top 5 team in Texas 54-14 at half last week.
I think this clearly shows the top teams in Texas are clearly at another level than what Arkansas has to offer.
So a top 20 Texas team only beating a top 5 team from Arkansas by 8 allows you to beat your chest? Carry on.
No beating the chest.
At the end of the season, you will see that Trinity isn't a top 20 team out of 245 5A teams.
Hopefully Bentonville will travel next year down to Texas and maybe play one of the top teams in Texas based on this year's final ranking.
In the end, it was fun to see how many people posted on this topic. Maybe Arkansas will setup something similar to Jenks and Union, and play against some of the top teams in Texas each year.
You are probably right but also there is no guarantee Bennie finishes at the top of Arkansas football. Bennie did represent Arkansas football a lot better tonight than some other teams have done on previous occasion. For that they deserve some credit.
Quote from: bystander on September 20, 2013, 11:06:05 pm
Trinity will be lucky to make it out of the first round of playoffs with the talent they have this year.
It's interesting the think they beat one of the best teams in all of Arkansas 21-13, yet they were down to a top 5 team in Texas 54-14 at half last week.
I think this clearly shows the top teams in Texas are clearly at another level than what Arkansas has to offer.
- Bystander, was Trinity still scoreless with a less than a minute until halftime against DeSoto last week? Were they scoreless with less than a minute to go against Jenks? BTW, speaking of Jenks, at HOME they won only 27-21 tonight over a team Bentonville scrimmaged and won 28-7 in preseason. Oh, sorry, S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E-D.
- This Bentonville team, while talented, just doesn't look like one of the best right now and hasn't since the opening kickoff. You can go to MaxPreps just as easily as I can link the scores and see the difference between this Bentonville season's non-conference scores and the last three (I'd say the last five, but the 08 and 09 teams played an Arkansas 3A team that shouldn't really have been scheduled). Changing coordinators on both sides, changing quarterbacks (which I think ya'll did, too, though yours is a senior) and losing your #1 wide receiver will do that to you.
- Someone needs to get the Scroggins kid an award. This guy's having to scramble every game to make something out of nothing, and he's doing so without being as heralded as our receivers from the past three years.
- That was a GREAT atmosphere tonight. Wonderful to see so many ETHS fans and Texas plates in the parking lot. Nice people, too, as I expected. Beautiful sunset.
- Hacked me off when our staff played a stupid ARVEST ad on the scoreboard while the ETHS players were doing the Haka. I hope it was a mistake, as I thought it was most disrespectful.
- Liked the class routine by the ETHS dancers, too. The yoga stuff by the BHS band is kind of offputting.
- Wish we could have more non-con games like this. BTW, I was cringing in the stands, expecting ETHS to go South-Panola-in-reverse on us with Bennie losing 41-6...I really was. (Last week, DeSoto put a soph QB in with their other starters and you made them pay both series.) I was that worried about this team with all the bad breaks we've had compared to the past half decade. But, that's part of football. And a down Bentonville team went toe-to-toe against a down Trinity team down to the last four minutes, losing by a TD and a 2-point conversion. I'll be pulling for you guys the rest of the season.
It's difficult to gauge Trinity and Jenks/Desoto/BVille in this respect.
The Trinity OL and front 7 are among the better groups in Texas, and Jaron Wilson is on his way to being one of the better RBs in Texas (I don't think it's premature to say this any more, though he's not there quite yet). Don't let anyone tell you different about those three items.
At the same time, the passing game, pass defense, and execution right now are so extremely far the opposite direction it's really hard to nail down "how good is Euless Trinity". They will matchup extremely differently vs a Desoto than they will against a Jenks/Bentonville. You can't say that Trinity's "no good", that's just not accurate regardless of how disappointed both sides are after a game like tonight.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:28:47 pm
- Bystander, was Trinity still scoreless with a less than a minute until halftime against DeSoto last week?
To be fair, Desoto was scoring in about 15 seconds every possession, Trinity got a whole lot more chances. Desoto would drop 80+ on both teams that played tonight if they kept the starters in and pedal down. The speed is just completely different level.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:28:47 pm
- Bystander, was Trinity still scoreless with a less than a minute until halftime against DeSoto last week?
To be fair, Desoto was scoring in about 15 seconds every possession, Trinity got a whole lot more chances. Desoto would drop 80+ on both teams that played tonight if they kept the starters in and pedal down. The speed is just completely different level.
With you there, elswagado. A better comparison might be Jenks, as you were tied at half in that game 13-all, I believe. BTW, thanks for the compliments. It gets a bit tiring hearing others say words to the effect of: "You'll never be as good as us so you might as well not try. In fact, you might as well not even
THINK about it." You've always been respectful here, and I appreciate it.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:39:50 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:28:47 pm
- Bystander, was Trinity still scoreless with a less than a minute until halftime against DeSoto last week?
To be fair, Desoto was scoring in about 15 seconds every possession, Trinity got a whole lot more chances. Desoto would drop 80+ on both teams that played tonight if they kept the starters in and pedal down. The speed is just completely different level.
With you there, elswagado. A better comparison might be Jenks, as you were tied at half in that game 13-all, I believe. BTW, thanks for the compliments. It gets a bit tiring hearing others say words to the effect of: "You'll never be as good as us so you might as well not try. In fact, you might as well not even THINK about it." You've always been respectful here, and I appreciate it.
Ditto your direction, this board's great. Colorful cast of characters. Bentonville's program is elite. The talent isn't transcendent, but that just makes the accomplishments that much more impressive. I'm watching the Cedar Hill and Desoto replay right now... it's amazing what some programs have to work with.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 04:57:38 pm
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on September 20, 2013, 04:31:12 pm
They must have left yesterday to be there by now. Isn't that a 20 hour drive? ;)
Texans drive fast.
Went 90 MPH in certain stretches. Got there (Rogers) in a little less than six hours.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 08:12:20 pm
Billy - what happened on Trinity's first possession of the game where the punt went down inside the BVille game but the refs gave Bentonville the ball 1st and 10 around midfield?
Does anyone know the answer to this question? I wasn't passive-aggressively suggesting that Trinity got hosed, I am legitimately unaware of (or unable to recall) any penalty that would be enforced this way (perhaps due to my lack of familiarity with NFHS rules).
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I'll post some of my thoughts on the game tomorrow when I get home. Tired now.
Aside from the game. Thanks to Earl for his hospitality. He sat with us the whole time we were eating and talked football and other things. Classy guy. I knew he would be though. I have met a lot of people in my limited time spent here, this trip and previous trips to the NWA. When you get past the message board competitive smack talk, there are some really nice quality people. I am glad I came. Thanks.
It was a sloppy game but the outcome wasn't that surprising minus all the penalties.
3 drives for Trinity, two right before halftime and the 1st one in the 3rd quarter they wore out Bentonville's front 7. After that drive in the 3rd Bentonville adjusted on defense and pretty much had were in good starting field position (due to a few short punts from Trinity) but they didn't do much of anything on offense outside of that bomb Ford thew.
Trinity kept the ball for 8 or 9 minutes in the 4th. Once they picked off that pass after fumbling the ball the game was over. You can't leave a defense on the field against a good running team like that for that long.
I thought the game was different from the Jenks game though. Trinity completed most of their passes when they needed too tonight and the scoring drives were long clock chewing drives where as the drives in the Jenks game were long runs.
I think both teams are good but not great. Trinity will be lucky to make it past the 3rd round this year with the second round matchup being tough. The Colleyville Heritage game will be interesting if that pass D doesn't get better. I also wondered why they didn't play #10 more. Outside of the two botched snaps in a row I thought #12 did a decent job though. If #10 will probably be the starter come playoff time if he gets some playing time over the next 7 games.
Bentonville will get better. The game next week may be a battle but they should roll through everyone after that. They aren't going to meet another team that can beat em on the lines and limit their running game like Trinity or Broken Arrow did. Once that WR comes back the yards through the air will come easier. They'll have a good chance to win state. I won't be surprised if that Harber game next week is a preview of the state final.
My opinion on Arkansas football vs Texas hasn't changed even though the game was a little closer than I thought it would be. I do think Trinity will be a top 25 team at the end of the day. They maybe somewhere from 20-25. Trinity did a couple of things I haven't seen any team do to Bentonville in the last 5 or 6 years (outside of Broken Arrow, but I didn't see them). They took away Bentonville's running game and ran for probably over 200 yards on them in the process.
I got a nice picture of the stadium right at sunset so a good night all around.
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 11:51:28 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 08:12:20 pm
Billy - what happened on Trinity's first possession of the game where the punt went down inside the BVille game but the refs gave Bentonville the ball 1st and 10 around midfield?
Does anyone know the answer to this question? I wasn't passive-aggressively suggesting that Trinity got hosed, I am legitimately unaware of (or unable to recall) any penalty that would be enforced this way (perhaps due to my lack of familiarity with NFHS rules).
I think his knee hit the ground so they called him down at that point.
Quote from: businesstron on September 21, 2013, 12:22:36 am
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 11:51:28 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 08:12:20 pm
Billy - what happened on Trinity's first possession of the game where the punt went down inside the BVille game but the refs gave Bentonville the ball 1st and 10 around midfield?
Does anyone know the answer to this question? I wasn't passive-aggressively suggesting that Trinity got hosed, I am legitimately unaware of (or unable to recall) any penalty that would be enforced this way (perhaps due to my lack of familiarity with NFHS rules).
I think his knee hit the ground so they called him down at that point.
That'd make sense. I was tending to my son at the time and looked up to see the ball get downed, then saw them move it back to midfield and didn't hear announcers explain why. Thnx.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 09:17:38 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 09:12:05 pm
Trinity's gotta figure something out with QB and eliminate penalties. That's it. They aren't good enough to beat Allen, Desoto, etc., anyway, but good grief do they kill themselves.
Dude Trinity ain't good enough to win the 7A west conference in Arkansas .
Good luck with that.
Quote from: Razorback Red on September 20, 2013, 10:15:44 pm
Congrats Trinity on a hard fought game. Same as last week, in the 2nd half Bville didn't want it as much as Trinity.
Both teams played sloppy, but #28 for Trinity was the difference. He is a very tough runner that is hard to bring down. He wore down Bville's D late in the game. Overall though, I was very impressed with our D.
Bville has to find a way to improve the play-calling and move the ball. It did hurt that JJ didn't play; he would have made a difference. Not saying we would have won, but he is a big target in the red zone. I can't figure out why we kept trying to run the ball in the 2nd half. We were getting no movement up front, our backs were not hitting the line hard and Trinity has exceptional closing speed.
I liked how Ford throws the ball. He made a couple of mistakes, but overall he kept his composure and played well. He will get better each week.
Both teams still have a lot to work on. Good game all around.
I liked him, He was impressive.
Box score if interested
Euless Trinity Bentonville
Total yards 321 178
First downs 16 11
Rushes/Yds 60/261 24/15
Average rush 4.35 0.63
Comp-Att-Int 5-8-0 13-28-3
Pass yards 60 163
Comp pct 62.5 46.43
Punts 3 3
Punting Yards 89 128
Punting Average 29.67 42.67
Fumbles-Lost 3-1 1-0
Penalties-yards 12-122 10-70
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Quote from: bystander on September 20, 2013, 11:06:05 pm
Trinity will be lucky to make it out of the first round of playoffs with the talent they have this year.
It's interesting the think they beat one of the best teams in all of Arkansas 21-13, yet they were down to a top 5 team in Texas 54-14 at half last week.
I think this clearly shows the top teams in Texas are clearly at another level than what Arkansas has to offer.
Is this businesstron's sock puppet account?
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:28:47 pm
- Hacked me off when our staff played a stupid ARVEST ad on the scoreboard while the ETHS players were doing the Haka. I hope it was a mistake, as I thought it was most disrespectful.
Arvest is a proud Arkansas company whose ownership has helped turn Bentonville into a great town. The dance thing they do is a relic of some other country. It's not like BHS played an ad over their fight song or alma mater.
Nah, Bentonville is in the clear on this one.
Quote from: Billyo62 on September 20, 2013, 09:17:38 pm
Quote from: elswagado on September 20, 2013, 09:12:05 pm
Trinity's gotta figure something out with QB and eliminate penalties. That's it. They aren't good enough to beat Allen, Desoto, etc., anyway, but good grief do they kill themselves.
Dude Trinity ain't good enough to win the 7A west conference in Arkansas .
Not sure I can follow you down this road. I have a feeling Trinity would do just fine in the 7A-West.
Quote from: Smithian on September 21, 2013, 08:07:06 am
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Quote from: elswagado on September 21, 2013, 07:34:50 am
Box score if interested
Euless Trinity Bentonville
Total yards 321 178
First downs 16 11
Rushes/Yds 60/261 24/15
Average rush 4.35 0.63
Comp-Att-Int 5-8-0 13-28-3
Pass yards 60 163
Comp pct 62.5 46.43
Punts 3 3
Punting Yards 89 128
Punting Average 29.67 42.67
Fumbles-Lost 3-1 1-0
Penalties-yards 12-122 10-70
Elswagado, thanks. What a tremendous effort by your team to shut down our rushing game. (I hope the Smith kid's ankle will be OK this season as we'll need him and HK.)
As a final comparison, here's how Bentonville has started the nonconference season this year vs. the last three:
Bentonville 54 points - Opponents (K.C. Rockhurst MO, Broken Arrow OK, Euless Trinity TX) 66 points - 2013
Bentonville 85 points - Opponents (K.C. Rockhurst MO, Broken Arrow OK, South Panola MS) 23 points - 2012
Bentonville 127 points - Opponents (North Little Rock AR, St. L Fort Zumwalt West, MO, Texarkana Texas TX) 26 points - 2011
Bentonville 123 points - Opponents (North Little Rock AR, St. L Fort Zumwalt West, MO, Texarkana Texas TX) 25 points -2010
Every one of the aforementioned opponents was a state playoff team save North Little Rock in 2010, so this gives an idea of how far we've slipped right now. But no one's done that in terms of shutting down Bentonville's rushing attack over the last five years, either. Hope there can be a rematch someday before BHS splits, but if not, that was still fun to watch last night.
BTW, I'm impressed with your coach...never have seen a head coach smile so much as that man did, even in pregame. Some Bentonville residents who used to live in Euless called him over from the sidelines pregame and he had a warm conversation with them. I very much respect that also.
Quote from: elswagado on September 21, 2013, 08:22:15 am
Quote from: Smithian on September 21, 2013, 08:07:06 am
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Mostly this.
Imagine how bad Trinity would have won if they didn't run that 1950's offense.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 21, 2013, 08:24:46 am
BTW, I'm impressed with your coach...never have seen a head coach smile so much as that man did, even in pregame. Some Bentonville residents who used to live in Euless called him over from the sidelines pregame and he had a warm conversation with them. I very much respect that also.
I wish that Trinity's execution last night could have been more indicative of the type of program he's built the last 10 years. Similar to your commentary on Bentonville, this year's Trinity team just has not been able to put it together yet this year. Hope to see return matches in the future as well. BTW, kudos to Lunney on that onside kick to start the game. Executed and timed perfectly in a very Lunney way.
Don't assume Bentonville will have an easy ride in the 7A West this year. Bentonville has to play Siloam Springs in their house, then Van Buren put a whoopin on Little Rock Fair last night...
Trinity been off this year but the Beat what has been touted as the Best HE Football team in the state. It saddens me to hear the sour grapes this morning. Texas HS football is just on another level than Arkansas but the gap is closing some.I agree the Desoto team would hang 80 on anybody in the State.
My home state has not done it Since 2000 for sure.
Quote from: Valleysports on September 21, 2013, 08:44:09 am
Don't assume Bentonville will have an easy ride in the 7A West this year. Bentonville has to play Siloam Springs in their house, then Van Buren put a whoopin on Little Rock Fair last night...
;D
I'll take my crow roasted please. :P :)
Congratulations to Trinity.
I need two servings, because I also picked Alma to beat Russellville.
The biggest difference in this game, other than Euless Trinity's huge cushion in rushing, was Bentonville's struggles in the red zone.
Bentonville had the ball inside the Trinity 10 twice in the second half, and came away with field goals instead of touchdowns. If the Tigers get 6 instead of 3, it's a tied game.
Then again, what was it that Dandy Don Meredith said about ifs and buts ...
Very good Western omelet there Earl. Best of luck to your Bentonville Tigers. Great atmosphere last night.
Quote from: elswagado on September 21, 2013, 07:34:50 am
Box score if interested
Euless Trinity Bentonville
Total yards 321 178
First downs 16 11
Rushes/Yds 60/261 24/15
Average rush 4.35 0.63
Comp-Att-Int 5-8-0 13-28-3
Pass yards 60 163
Comp pct 62.5 46.43
Punts 3 3
Punting Yards 89 128
Punting Ave 29.67 42.67
Fumbles-Lost 3-1 1-0
Penalties-yards 12-122 10-70
I think it's safe to say on both sides we all think our team could have played better in certain areas. It was frustrating with so many penalties, which were drive killers/extenders. Trinity's defense played better in the secondary than the past few games. Except for the one big play where our guy gambled and paid for it. At least they ran him down, prevented the score on that play. The run defense was pretty much what I expected it would be. Too many penalties by both teams. In the end it was the 3-1 turnover difference that made the biggest difference. Trinity fumble, followed immediately by a Bentonville interception iced it.
What kind of offense did Trinity run?
Quote from: Valleysports on September 21, 2013, 08:44:09 am
Don't assume Bentonville will have an easy ride in the 7A West this year. Bentonville has to play Siloam Springs in their house, then Van Buren put a whoopin on Little Rock Fair last night...
Battles. Big battles. Will be happy if we come out of those games healthy. Hard hitting teams, both...
Quote from: MRPRFCT on September 21, 2013, 01:32:33 pm
What kind of offense did Trinity run?
Apparently a 1950's offense. An offense that scored 80 points against Shiloh and 88 points against a Texas 5A playoff team. An offense that has, over the years, average 50+ PPG (or very close to it) during several seasons.
Power I is the base set.
Quote from: Texas on September 21, 2013, 02:18:28 pm
Quote from: MRPRFCT on September 21, 2013, 01:32:33 pm
What kind of offense did Trinity run?
Apparently a 1950's offense. An offense that scored 80 points against Shiloh and 88 points against a Texas 5A playoff team. An offense that has, over the years, average 50+ PPG (or very close to it) during several seasons.
Power I is the base set.
Any offense works with talent.
Through 2006 the Little Rock Central Tigers used to crush people using the Power I and the 50 on defense. Then talent dried up and not even the spread could save them.
Quote from: Smithian on September 21, 2013, 07:51:00 pm
Quote from: Texas on September 21, 2013, 02:18:28 pm
Quote from: MRPRFCT on September 21, 2013, 01:32:33 pm
What kind of offense did Trinity run?
Apparently a 1950's offense. An offense that scored 80 points against Shiloh and 88 points against a Texas 5A playoff team. An offense that has, over the years, average 50+ PPG (or very close to it) during several seasons.
Power I is the base set.
Any offense works with talent.
Through 2006 the Little Rock Central Tigers used to crush people using the Power I and the 50 on defense. Then talent dried up and not even the spread could save them.
True. But I have seen mega talented teams on all levels that had the talented players, but either no coaching, or no commitment from the players to work with the coach and dedicate themselves to hard work. Lack of discipline and lack of focus was these teams problems, not talent.
The back of my Trinity at Bentonville ticket stub has a buy one get one free BK chicken sandwich coupon. The back reads, "Valid at participating Burger King restaurants in the Wichita Falls area. ??? ::)
Wal-Mart's reach is far and wide...
Game night musings:
Thanx to Earl the Pearl for the best pre-game meal I've had in some time. EmmaRuths is awesome.
Thanx to the Biker chicks earlier in the day down in Fayetteville - you know who you are....you know what you did.... this is a family board, so...
Huge Ups for that sunset! OMG, it literally was like that Debby Boone song. I think I spotted a little...
BVille has a nice, solid team. The QB threw some bad passes, but they were mostly pursuant to pressure that ET has improved on quite a bit this year. I think he'll do just fine for y'all. The DLine was stout all game and never quit. I expected to see them gassed by the middle of the 3rd Q but they were warriors.
Thanx to all the friendly BVille fans that sat around us. Lots of good banter and knowledge. Hope y'all come down and see us next season.
I was at the BHS vs ET game. I had never been to BHS Stadium and wanted to see it firsthand. Great game, great atmosphere also. Everyone I encountered from Bentonville were good people. Bentonville was out athleted at almost every position. The difference was ET's ability to pressure the Bentonville QB into some very bad decisions...
Quote from: Smithian on September 21, 2013, 08:14:14 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 20, 2013, 11:28:47 pm
- Hacked me off when our staff played a stupid ARVEST ad on the scoreboard while the ETHS players were doing the Haka. I hope it was a mistake, as I thought it was most disrespectful.
Arvest is a proud Arkansas company whose ownership has helped turn Bentonville into a great town. The dance thing they do is a relic of some other country. It's not like BHS played an ad over their fight song or alma mater.
Nah, Bentonville is in the clear on this one.
Smithian, figured everyone's ready to let this thread go to the ages, but a few final thoughts.
- Anyone who knows me knows I'm NOT a multiculturalist (in spite of my handle on this board, web site, etc.). Several of Trinity's players came directly from Africa (ET fans, whatever happened to that little running back Dimitry whatever who led your team to the 2005 sc?). Multiculturalism and tribalism has torn the people of that continent apart, and I don't want to see it happen here in America (as it has been, unfortunately.). I also very much respect what ARVEST and their founding Walton family have done, which could have only happened IN America, the nation that so many people of the earth will risk their lives just to become citizens of. That being said, this is a tradition the ET folks said the team does for every game. They were respectful to us. Wanted to be respectful to them as well. I almost said (ashamedly so) the "f-word" as that ARVEST jingle started playing right in the middle of their ritual. (Unfortunately, I SHOUTED it as our QB threw his final pick after the big fumble recovery in the 4th quarter. There was an elementary school aged boy sitting next to me and I started apologizing profusely to his Dad (who was very gracious). Only other time that's happened was during an amazingly sloppy play that Bennie capitalized on vs. South Panola last year - guess I've got to stop going to big games.) Also, I was afraid that would just make them madder, and unlike in years past I didn't know what cohesion our own Bentonville team had. We didn't need any further strikes against us in this game.
- Strider, thanks for the compliments to our gang. I know you started beating DeSoto in the 2nd half last week when they experimented with putting their own sophomore QB in. The Bennie sophomore was making his first start for the Tigers, and given the circumstances he did well. The whole team did much better than I anticipated knowing what a struggle this season has been since (for whatever reason) after the big S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E win.
- DPaul, I hadn't visited the 5ATexas Football board in months, but thank you for the compliments over there. And for the quasi-compliments of the man who followed you (calling Bentonville's student section "Allen-lite" and "The poor man's Coppell" (which he said is either best in the Metroplex or Texas, one of the two or both)). Tell him, though, that we do the festivities we did for EVERY game (though I wish the staff could take credit for the sunset, but that, along with everything else, belongs to God), just as you have that inflatable tunnel (never saw another team bring anything like that to a game at Tiger Stadium) or the Haka.
- I noticed that the Trinity web site called Bentonville a "former #1 nationally ranked team (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/)". (That was in 2011 when we were atop the USA Today computer poll for a few weeks.) Thanks for the compliment there, too. On the Texas 5A football board I kind of felt sorry for your team...some were really harsh on them. Big as they are, it's still easy to forget they're still kids in many ways emotionally. Hope we don't get too hard on our own team this season...they won't want to break from a winning tradition any more than your guys will.
- The paper said today that Bentonville hasn't lost two consecutive games at Tiger Stadium in 8 seasons. Congrats to you on breaking the string, and again, best of blessings to your team this season. Hope your team surprises many people (and some of you) on the way to a great postseason.
QuoteBentonville was out athleted at almost every position.
- Coach Venny Slocombe, quite a testament to the coaches and players, then, that ETHS had 0 points up to the last 30 seconds of the first half, and was only 4 points up with just under 4 minutes to go in the game. Pleased as punch with Bentonville given their struggles this season - hope they can indeed build on this.
For myself, I took no offense at an Ad being played during our Tongan ritual. Not sure anyone else did either. Shoot - we've had opposing band directors PURPOSEFULLY wait for us to start our postgame dance and then play as frickin loud as they could (cough.... Plano...cough) - this usually occurs shortly after we beat a teams butt..... :D
For the record, 'Haka' is not an accurate term. That is a Maori word. The correct Tongan term is 'Tipi Tau'. Yeah, doesn't quite have the testosterone, does it? lol! Our fans are still in the process of assimilating this change.
Anywho - appreciate very much the great hospitality. Look forward to returning the favor. For some reason, Texas teams don't seem to want to schedule us OOC. Your great young men are welcome anytime.
:)
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Mostly this.
FIFY
Next up for Bentonville is Har-Ber. Should be fun. I hear Har-Ber is fairly decent. ;) After this game against Trinity, should be a cakewalk for Bennie, lol.
Trinity has the 1st actual home game this week, 1st game at our stadium. Game one vs. Jenks was obviously a "home" game, but at Dragon Stadium (a home away from home) in Southlake. Game 2 was in South Dallas. Trinity was the designated home team, with our fans on the visitors side, even though we were practically in DeSoto. It will be nice to use my 1st season ticket and sit in my seat at Pennington Field.
Our next game is against a big district rival and consistent 2nd banana Colleyville Heritage. They have never beaten Trinity. They pass a lot and are good at it. Given Trinity problems in the secondary this season, Heritage will probably pass for 400+ yards on us. That's okay though. They still have yet to discover a key football element called defense, so we'll just outscore them. They are especially poor in rush defense. We'll probably run for close to 500 yards if we want to. I saw their 1st game against Duncanville. Heritage lost 70-45. Duncanville passed for 450 yards and five TD's. this game will probably be something like a 49-28 type game. Thats assuming Trinity still has trouble defending the pass. Should be exciting.
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Mostly this.
FIFY
I'm not a college student and I wish had even half of life figured out. Try again.
Quote from: Smithian on September 23, 2013, 09:19:57 am
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Quote from: Smithian on September 21, 2013, 08:27:11 am
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Mostly this.
FIFY
I'm not a college student and I wish had even half of life figured out. Try again.
he graduated last year. :-\
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
Glad you had a good time, It may not be the biggest baddest stadium but I think you found it's a nice place, good fans and a great atmosphere to watch a high school football game.
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Quote from: elswagado on September 21, 2013, 08:22:15 am
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 19, 2013, 09:43:20 am
So, what you're saying is that people who move their families to other countries in order to hopefully make a better life for their children is something that makes you laugh. Interesting.
Negative. People who leave their sad countries to come and experience the sweet air of American freedom are smart. The people who hold onto odd, "look at me" traditions (like Te'o wearing a lay at Heisman or the 'haka') make me laugh.
Football gives the Euless community something to be proud of, and the Haka is a fun thing that is loved by every student in that school - white, black, Mexican, Asian and every fan in the stands - white, black, Mexican, Asian - loves it as well. It's never directed at opponents, always to the home crowd. You're taking a unique, positive thing in a community that needs positive things and trying to make it something it isn't. It's hard to tell if you're a xenophobe or just a spit-stirrer, maybe a college kid who thinks they've got it all figured out in life, but your comments on this topic are silly either way.
Mostly this.
FIFY
I'm not a college student and I wish had even half of life figured out. Try again.
he graduated last year. :-\
Nevermind. Carry on.
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
It's a great part of our state. The visitors locker room is the only issue.
Quote from: Smithian on September 23, 2013, 01:06:57 pm
Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
It's a great part of our state. The visitors locker room is the only issue.
You don't like cozy Smithian? you've been in there it's gives the opposing team a touchy feely group hug environment to reach that we are all on the same team and a family feeling. ::)
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
It's a great part of our state. The visitors locker room is the only issue.
That's no joke!
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
It's a great part of our state. The visitors locker room is the only issue.
Didn't realize they ever saw it. Trinity dressed in one of the dressing rooms in the TAC.
One last time, perhaps.
I went to our "Coaches Corner" tonight. We watched film on the game. I finally saw that play action TE pass for a TD close to the goal line. I was faked out the whole way, as were most of the people around me in the stands.
Anyway, the main thing I wanted to say was what Coach Lineweaver had to say about the Bentonville program. I won't try to quote verbatim, but I will summarize.
From the AD to Coach Lunney to assistant coaches, staff, anyone any Trinity people had contact with, they were all first class. Very helpful. Very accommodating.
Thursday evening, the Bentonville booster club, wearing their Bentonville Tiger gear, served a Spaghetti Dinner and Italian salad. They were first class, very friendly and welcoming to each player and coach/staff member.
Also on Thursday they had a chappell service. A former Trinity football player from the '80s, who is now a UofA campus minister/pastor (not sure what church) and lives in Fayetteville came and conducted the chappell service.
On Friday, the FBC Bentonville provided the pre-game meal. He didn't mention what was served. They also had the facilities to allow the team to tape and dress there, then get on the bus to go to the game. Didn't have to deal with the cramped visitors locker room.
Coach Lineweaver said this was the best road trip experience the team has ever had. I agree with the previous remarks, both on the FF.com and 5ATXFB.com forums. I hope we have the opportunity to host you guys in Texas. Maybe not next year, but in years to come. Thanks.
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Quote from: Trojanbacker on September 23, 2013, 08:38:46 am
Just wanted to express my appreciation to the Bentonville fans and community for allowing Trinity to play your Tigers. I was really impressed with the entire program and especially the fans. We sat among a group of them on the visitor side and thoroughly enjoyed it. Made us feel welcome and were very knowledgable about your program. Even with the ten million bikers in town, the hotel (DoubleTree) gave us outstanding service. Great town, great atmosphere for the game and a first class program. Now, come on down our way next year and let's do it again
Thanks.
Glad you had a good time, It may not be the biggest baddest stadium but I think you found it's a nice place, good fans and a great atmosphere to watch a high school football game.
I had my doubts when this game was first scheduled but the atmosphere was great. I was really impressed by our turnout as well. We had a small student section as well which I wasn't expecting. That was a pleasant surprise. Outside of our roadtrips to the Alamodome for state title games (they gotta be #1 right?) this was my favorite roadtrip game. The Bellevue fans didn't come close to providing the atmosphere y'all did. Hope we play each other again, maybe y'all can come down to The Penn one year...or the $60 million Eagle Stadium.....(hope none of our fans got on any of yalls nerves over on the visitor side, we can get pretty rowdy.)
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- Hacked me off when our staff played a stupid ARVEST ad on the scoreboard while the ETHS players were doing the Haka. I hope it was a mistake, as I thought it was most disrespectful.
Arvest is a proud Arkansas company whose ownership has helped turn Bentonville into a great town. The dance thing they do is a relic of some other country. It's not like BHS played an ad over their fight song or alma mater.
Nah, Bentonville is in the clear on this one.
Smithian, figured everyone's ready to let this thread go to the ages, but a few final thoughts.
- Anyone who knows me knows I'm NOT a multiculturalist (in spite of my handle on this board, web site, etc.). Several of Trinity's players came directly from Africa (ET fans, whatever happened to that little running back Dimitry whatever who led your team to the 2005 sc?). Multiculturalism and tribalism has torn the people of that continent apart, and I don't want to see it happen here in America (as it has been, unfortunately.). I also very much respect what ARVEST and their founding Walton family have done, which could have only happened IN America, the nation that so many people of the earth will risk their lives just to become citizens of. That being said, this is a tradition the ET folks said the team does for every game. They were respectful to us. Wanted to be respectful to them as well. I almost said (ashamedly so) the "f-word" as that ARVEST jingle started playing right in the middle of their ritual. (Unfortunately, I SHOUTED it as our QB threw his final pick after the big fumble recovery in the 4th quarter. There was an elementary school aged boy sitting next to me and I started apologizing profusely to his Dad (who was very gracious). Only other time that's happened was during an amazingly sloppy play that Bennie capitalized on vs. South Panola last year - guess I've got to stop going to big games.) Also, I was afraid that would just make them madder, and unlike in years past I didn't know what cohesion our own Bentonville team had. We didn't need any further strikes against us in this game.
- Strider, thanks for the compliments to our gang. I know you started beating DeSoto in the 2nd half last week when they experimented with putting their own sophomore QB in. The Bennie sophomore was making his first start for the Tigers, and given the circumstances he did well. The whole team did much better than I anticipated knowing what a struggle this season has been since (for whatever reason) after the big S-C-R-I-M-M-A-G-E win.
- DPaul, I hadn't visited the 5ATexas Football board in months, but thank you for the compliments over there. And for the quasi-compliments of the man who followed you (calling Bentonville's student section "Allen-lite" and "The poor man's Coppell" (which he said is either best in the Metroplex or Texas, one of the two or both)). Tell him, though, that we do the festivities we did for EVERY game (though I wish the staff could take credit for the sunset, but that, along with everything else, belongs to God), just as you have that inflatable tunnel (never saw another team bring anything like that to a game at Tiger Stadium) or the Haka.
- I noticed that the Trinity web site called Bentonville a "former #1 nationally ranked team (http://trinitytrojanfootball.com/about/)". (That was in 2011 when we were atop the USA Today computer poll for a few weeks.) Thanks for the compliment there, too. On the Texas 5A football board I kind of felt sorry for your team...some were really harsh on them. Big as they are, it's still easy to forget they're still kids in many ways emotionally. Hope we don't get too hard on our own team this season...they won't want to break from a winning tradition any more than your guys will.
- The paper said today that Bentonville hasn't lost two consecutive games at Tiger Stadium in 8 seasons. Congrats to you on breaking the string, and again, best of blessings to your team this season. Hope your team surprises many people (and some of you) on the way to a great postseason.
QuoteBentonville was out athleted at almost every position.
- Coach Venny Slocombe, quite a testament to the coaches and players, then, that ETHS had 0 points up to the last 30 seconds of the first half, and was only 4 points up with just under 4 minutes to go in the game. Pleased as punch with Bentonville given their struggles this season - hope they can indeed build on this.
No problem. I just call it like I see it. There's several on the 5A board that feeds off negativity. Y'all would fit right into Texas high school football.....y'all take care...even diehardfbfan ;)
Our 5 A schools have better facilities and staff than any college in the state accept UA.
Quote from: edemire on September 19, 2013, 08:35:55 am
Hey ya'll,
I know quite a few Arkansas prep football teams have beaten Texas prep powerhouse teams over the years, but which one of those victories would you consider the most impressive? That is, the closest to seeing an Arkansas team today beat an Allen or DeSoto-caliber team?
I know in the 40s-60s Texarkana (Tex.) High was considered an elite Texas team and beat Arkansas High 20 straight times. In that stretch, LR Central handled them in 1957 by a score of 54-13:
http://www.setxdist.com/wdm9.htm (http://www.setxdist.com/wdm9.htm)
Perhaps, there were more recent wins that were also very impressive.
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Try again.
Texarkana Texas High has one title and one appearance in a Texas State Finals game in their history. It wasn't in the time frame you mentioned. It was 2002.
Elite? Hardly. There is a big difference between an elite team and a quality team.
Also, in the specific season you mentioned, Texas High was 7-3 and failed to qualify for the state playoffs.
Also, LRC had about 2,000 students. Texas High had maybe half of that.
Quote from: Lions84 on September 24, 2013, 09:53:49 am
Our 5 A schools have better facilities and staff than any college in the state accept UA.
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Depending on whether the team was good at that time, perhaps the best ever Arkansas-over-Texas HS win was the 1920s-era mythical national champion Pine Bluff team over Houston Sam Houston. The former JAMMED the latter something like 50-0. That was likely when these teams took trains to games. (Never lived in PB, but anyone from there remember when the Cotton Belt mainline ran literally through the street, not separated by a concrete divider as today. Bad for auto traffic, great for railfans, and these dudes could literally have boarded a Texas-bound passenger train at the street corner if it would have made such stops).
Texas, since we're letting, mercifully, the Trinity-vs.Bennie thread die:
1. Reason I knew the score above is because three seasons ago when my son was a senior the paper said that Pine Bluff team was the highest scoring "big school" team ever in Arkansas football, followed by the great Springdale '05 team, followed by Bennie 2010, which LITERALLY beat the #4 (Har-Ber '10) and #6 (Fayetteville '10) all-time AR big school season scoring-leader teams, TWICE, to go undefeated for the 2010 crown. (Bennie '11 was #5.) I say that because...
2. I'm certain that Bentonville led the district in offense (great on defense, too) in the '10 and '11 seasons, and definitely finished as the highest-scoring team in the district last season if not highest in total offense. THIS season, after three games, Bentonville is dead last in the district. :P :P :P :P Middle-of-the-pack in defense. Your team helped, but so did Rock and Broken Arrow. Hope that changes starting tonight.
3. That being said, yesterday's paper, I believe, had a story how Bentonville's Coach Lunney absolutely LOVED the game last Friday (truth be told, I did, too, even though I knew of our team's issues going in), even after getting past the scoreboard.
Best to you all vs. CH tonight.
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 27, 2013, 05:52:28 pm
Depending on whether the team was good at that time, perhaps the best ever Arkansas-over-Texas HS win was the 1920s-era mythical national champion Pine Bluff team over Houston Sam Houston. The former JAMMED the latter something like 50-0. That was likely when these teams took trains to games. (Never lived in PB, but anyone from there remember when the Cotton Belt mainline ran literally through the street, not separated by a concrete divider as today. Bad for auto traffic, great for railfans, and these dudes could literally have boarded a Texas-bound passenger train at the street corner if it would have made such stops).
Texas, since we're letting, mercifully, the Trinity-vs.Bennie thread die:
1. Reason I knew the score above is because three seasons ago when my son was a senior the paper said that Pine Bluff team was the highest scoring "big school" team ever in Arkansas football, followed by the great Springdale '05 team, followed by Bennie 2010, which LITERALLY beat the #4 (Har-Ber '10) and #6 (Fayetteville '10) all-time AR big school season scoring-leader teams, TWICE, to go undefeated for the 2010 crown. (Bennie '11 was #5.) I say that because...
2. I'm certain that Bentonville led the district in offense (great on defense, too) in the '10 and '11 seasons, and definitely finished as the highest-scoring team in the district last season if not highest in total offense. THIS season, after three games, Bentonville is dead last in the district. :P :P :P :P Middle-of-the-pack in defense. Your team helped, but so did Rock and Broken Arrow. Hope that changes starting tonight.
3. That being said, yesterday's paper, I believe, had a story how Bentonville's Coach Lunney absolutely LOVED the game last Friday (truth be told, I did, too, even though I knew of our team's issues going in), even after getting past the scoreboard.
Best to you all vs. CH tonight.
Yeah I did too. I hope you saw all my post game comments in that thread including what Coach Lineweaver said at coaches corner. That reminds me. I should look up the Bentonville coaches show from this week, to hear his analysis.
So... The 1920's huh? I'm not going to bother to try to search for that one. I'll take your word for it. I trust you. Football itself was in its infancy back then. I'm not going to concern myself with anything pre WWII.
I do like these types of threads. I enjoy researching things, when I am motivated to do so. I often have side projects. Realignment alone takes months of searching thru various sources.
Quote from: Texas on September 27, 2013, 06:23:30 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on September 27, 2013, 05:52:28 pm
Depending on whether the team was good at that time, perhaps the best ever Arkansas-over-Texas HS win was the 1920s-era mythical national champion Pine Bluff team over Houston Sam Houston. The former JAMMED the latter something like 50-0. That was likely when these teams took trains to games. (Never lived in PB, but anyone from there remember when the Cotton Belt mainline ran literally through the street, not separated by a concrete divider as today. Bad for auto traffic, great for railfans, and these dudes could literally have boarded a Texas-bound passenger train at the street corner if it would have made such stops).
Texas, since we're letting, mercifully, the Trinity-vs.Bennie thread die:
1. Reason I knew the score above is because three seasons ago when my son was a senior the paper said that Pine Bluff team was the highest scoring "big school" team ever in Arkansas football, followed by the great Springdale '05 team, followed by Bennie 2010, which LITERALLY beat the #4 (Har-Ber '10) and #6 (Fayetteville '10) all-time AR big school season scoring-leader teams, TWICE, to go undefeated for the 2010 crown. (Bennie '11 was #5.) I say that because...
2. I'm certain that Bentonville led the district in offense (great on defense, too) in the '10 and '11 seasons, and definitely finished as the highest-scoring team in the district last season if not highest in total offense. THIS season, after three games, Bentonville is dead last in the district. :P :P :P :P Middle-of-the-pack in defense. Your team helped, but so did Rock and Broken Arrow. Hope that changes starting tonight.
3. That being said, yesterday's paper, I believe, had a story how Bentonville's Coach Lunney absolutely LOVED the game last Friday (truth be told, I did, too, even though I knew of our team's issues going in), even after getting past the scoreboard.
Best to you all vs. CH tonight.
Yeah I did too. I hope you saw all my post game comments in that thread including what Coach Lineweaver said at coaches corner. That reminds me. I should look up the Bentonville coaches show from this week, to hear his analysis.
So... The 1920's huh? I'm not going to bother to try to search for that one. I'll take your word for it. I trust you. Football itself was in its infancy back then. I'm not going to concern myself with anything pre WWII.
I do like these types of threads. I enjoy researching things, when I am motivated to do so. I often have side projects. Realignment alone takes months of searching thru various sources.
Back at you, Texas. Those were very nice comments from Coach Lineweaver. Sorry if my feathers got ruffled earlier on in the summer, but it's been fun and I hope we can have a friendly competition again.
Here's a little bit from Wiki:
QuoteThe (Pine Bluff HS) 1925 squad (16–0) won the High School Football National Championship and still maintains single season state records with 16 wins, 8,588 total yards gained and a national-record 8,081 rushing yards gained.
The 2010-2011 Bentonville squads show both the strengths and weaknesses of Arkansas big school football. It would take a monumental year to see Texas 5A have the all-time single-season leading-scoring 3rd, 4th and 6th teams all in the same season. That being said, the Har-Ber '10 team was the defending scs and ranked in USA Today at season's beginning (with a Parade all-America lineman) and the Fayetteville '10 team had the Arkansas "big-school" all time leading passing yardage leader who's now starting (when he's not hurt) for the University of Arkansas, with the team going on to win the '11 and '12 scs.
BTW, great to see in the first half tonight:
Texas good guys 28, Colleyville Heritage 0
Arkansas good guys 21, Har-Ber 6(BTW, Edit, Har-Ber has perhaps the #2 or #3 DT in the country right now, but I've never SEEN Bennie muff so many snaps to the QB in 7 years of football as I have in this first four games of the season for them. Oh well...sophomore/coordinator/whatever growing pains...)
From my personal experience it feels like a completely different game down here in Texas. I was born and raised in Mountain Home. Though we by no means are a good benchmark, the three years I was in high school we were a competitive team with my graduating class finishing as state runner ups. I moved to Lufkin, TX 4 months ago for work. Lufkin is a semi small community in the middle of no where 2 hours north of Houston. Population 35,000. This town lives and breathes football.
I mean 10,000+ people at home games. They have had the likes of Dez Bryant, Jermichael Finley, Dante Hall, and Javorski Lane all come out of this small community with atleast another half a dozen current NFL or will be's. I called my brother tonight and we talked about how I just don't see where the athletes come from. There's nothing down here. They have 2 receivers going to Texas and Texas A&M, the quarterback pitching at rice next year, and a linebacker and cornerback still openly looking. On top of it all, they are 1-4 to start the season. They haven't missed the playoffs in probably 15 years and people want a very tenured and respected coach out of town tonight all based on one bad play call and a rough start.
I say this all to say to point out that all the rumors about class 5A Texas football are true, comparing it to anything else is apples and oranges.
Yep. Lufkin is an amazing producer of talent. Trinity lost a heartbreaker to them way back in 2001. Up 20-0 in the first half, Lufkin came back to win 27-23.
My best friend has lived in Lufkin for the last 17 years. He tells me all about it. The new coach replaced a local legend. The sudden, tragic death of Coach Outlaw was a shocker to everyone. Filling his shoes is a tough task.
Trinity 35 Heritage 14. Both of Heritage TD's were gifts. Both came off of fumble recoveries close to the endzone. So one was 1 play for 2 yards, the other was 1 play for 1 yard. All in all, Heritage had about 50 yards of total offense. Heritage had more penalty yards than offensive yards. ;D Trinity had about 450 yards total offense, but three fumbles on drives that were certain scores. Also, there were three clock cleaning hits. Heritage starting and 3rd string QB's both got knocked out of the game. Their 2nd string QB had come in to replace their starter, but was pulled for lack of performance I guess. The 3rd string played most of 1st, all of 2nd, most of 3rd quarters, then he got knocked out (literally). Back in went the 2nd stringer. Also a Trinity DB got his bell rung. Total domination by Trinity, but still a crazy game.
Quote from: UALR11 on September 28, 2013, 12:04:39 am
From my personal experience it feels like a completely different game down here in Texas. I was born and raised in Mountain Home. Though we by no means are a good benchmark, the three years I was in high school we were a competitive team with my graduating class finishing as state runner ups. I moved to Lufkin, TX 4 months ago for work. Lufkin is a semi small community in the middle of no where 2 hours north of Houston. Population 35,000. This town lives and breathes football.
I mean 10,000+ people at home games. They have had the likes of Dez Bryant, Jermichael Finley, Dante Hall, and Javorski Lane all come out of this small community with atleast another half a dozen current NFL or will be's. I called my brother tonight and we talked about how I just don't see where the athletes come from. There's nothing down here. They have 2 receivers going to Texas and Texas A&M, the quarterback pitching at rice next year, and a linebacker and cornerback still openly looking. On top of it all, they are 1-4 to start the season. They haven't missed the playoffs in probably 15 years and people want a very tenured and respected coach out of town tonight all based on one bad play call and a rough start.
I say this all to say to point out that all the rumors about class 5A Texas football are true, comparing it to anything else is apples and oranges.
I hated playing in that stadium - Redefined the word PURPLE back in the day!
Lived in texas for 5 years and as much as I love this state there is no comparison. Texas high school footballs top dog
Anyone who might be interested or would consider it, the Texas State Finals games, all classifications are once again in Arlington this year at Cowboys Stadium/AT&T Stadium/Jerryworld/the Death Star. I know Jerry would love to have fellow Hogs in attendance.
http://www.uiltexas.org/football/state (http://www.uiltexas.org/football/state)
If you don't want to miss work (assuming you are off weekends), come down for just the Saturday games on December 21st. At Noon the 4A Div II game. At 1600 the 5A Div I game (likely to feature the Allen/DeSoto winner vs. some Houston team). At 2000 the 5A Div II game (likely featuring Katy vs. who knows?).
Tickets are usually $15, plus like $5 for parking. Concession prices are same as a Cowboys game, so eat a big breakfast and sneak a few bags of chips or something in you jacket pocket. That's what I always do.
I know it is a lot to ask, but if you decide to go, it will be very entertaining and something you will never forget. Usually there is close to 50,000 fans there throughout the day. I'm sure a lot of you have never been to the Death Star. Incredible place. A high school playoffs game is the best way to experience the Death Star. No better atmosphere IMO, and it is affordable. Also, this will be the fourth year in a row in Arlington so, it may move to Houston for 2014-?, which is a lot farther drive.
Solid Win for Trinty ! Benny and the crew still got some growning to do to beat those Texas 5A Teams.
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 11:49:15 am
Solid Win for Trinty ! Benny and the crew still got some growning to do to beat those Texas 5A Teams.
Yep, they did beat us by 8 points and we only had 15 yards rushing. Indeed we need to step it up.
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 11:53:33 am
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 11:49:15 am
Solid Win for Trinty ! Benny and the crew still got some growning to do to beat those Texas 5A Teams.
Yep, they did beat us by 8 points and we only had 15 yards rushing. Indeed we need to step it up.
I want to see Ya'll come down to Texas Staduim and Play Trinty or Allen or Lufkin or Tyler John Tyler.
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 11:58:44 am
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 11:53:33 am
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 11:49:15 am
Solid Win for Trinty ! Benny and the crew still got some growning to do to beat those Texas 5A Teams.
Yep, they did beat us by 8 points and we only had 15 yards rushing. Indeed we need to step it up.
I want to see Ya'll come down to Texas Staduim and Play Trinty or Allen or Lufkin or Tyler John Tyler.
Why?
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:09:47 pm
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
Honestly it will be a rare occasion that any top team from Arkansas will go play a top 5A Texas team and win. I think most folks in Arkansas know this. Not saying it can't happen just very unlikely.
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 12:13:42 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:09:47 pm
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
Honestly it will be a rare occasion that any top team from Arkansas will go play a top 5A Texas team and win. I think most folks in Arkansas know this. Not saying it can't happen just very unlikely.
It still good to see them play and I understand the school my daughter attends is just 2A and we have a 12 man Coaching staff and a full time Trainer.
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:25:08 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 12:13:42 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:09:47 pm
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
Honestly it will be a rare occasion that any top team from Arkansas will go play a top 5A Texas team and win. I think most folks in Arkansas know this. Not saying it can't happen just very unlikely.
It still good to see them play and I understand the school my daughter attends is just 2A and we have a 12 man Coaching staff and a full time Trainer.
I think it's good also, but the reality when you schedule a top 5A Texas team the odds are you are not their big game. NOT every 5A Texas team is good just because they are in Texas, but there are so many good ones you are likely to get more than you asked for.
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 12:32:45 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:25:08 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 02, 2013, 12:13:42 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:09:47 pm
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
Honestly it will be a rare occasion that any top team from Arkansas will go play a top 5A Texas team and win. I think most folks in Arkansas know this. Not saying it can't happen just very unlikely.
It still good to see them play and I understand the school my daughter attends is just 2A and we have a 12 man Coaching staff and a full time Trainer.
I think it's good also, but the reality when you schedule a top 5A Texas team the odds are you are not their big game. NOT every 5A Texas team is good just because they are in Texas, but there are so many good ones you are likely to get more than you asked for.
This is true. There are plenty of bad 5A teams in Texas. One of the worst (R.L. Turner) played a bad 4A team in non-district and got drilled. A few years ago a really bad DISD 5A team played a bad 3A team and barely won, getting their only win of the season.
To settle somewhat of a small debate we need yall to come down here and play Colleyville Heritage... ;D
Quote from: DPaul on October 03, 2013, 01:17:03 pm
To settle somewhat of a small debate we need yall to come down here and play Colleyville Heritage... ;D
help me out, who is that?
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 03, 2013, 01:24:05 pm
Quote from: DPaul on October 03, 2013, 01:17:03 pm
To settle somewhat of a small debate we need yall to come down here and play Colleyville Heritage... ;D
help me out, who is that?
Our last opponent. We beat them 35-14. It was their worst performance against us ever.
Quote from: Texas on October 03, 2013, 04:27:20 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 03, 2013, 01:24:05 pm
Quote from: DPaul on October 03, 2013, 01:17:03 pm
To settle somewhat of a small debate we need yall to come down here and play Colleyville Heritage... ;D
help me out, who is that?
Our last opponent. We beat them 35-14. It was their worst performance against us ever.
I looked them up, are they that good this year?
Prior to the season I posted on 5ATF that BHS most years is better than CHHS, some disagreed and still do. I still feel the same.
MAN, elswagado, you're wiping some bottom (to put it mildly) tonight...63-28 in the 4th, ET?
Southlake Carroll was up 70-6 at the end of the 3rd quarter tonight, some of these district games are brutal. Things won't pick up til playoffs.
Quote from: elswagado on October 03, 2013, 08:49:41 pm
Prior to the season I posted on 5ATF that BHS most years is better than CHHS, some disagreed and still do. I still feel the same.
I knew you were Oaktree :D
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 03, 2013, 09:41:19 pm
MAN, elswagado, you're wiping some bottom (to put it mildly) tonight...63-28 in the 4th, ET?
63-35 - FINAL
Team Stats
Trinity iMac
Total yards 543 402
First downs 23 18
Rushes/Yds 47/453 30/153
Average rush 9.64 5.1
Comp-Att-Int 4-7-0 16-31-2
Pass yards 90 249
Comp pct 57.14 51.61
Punts. 3 5
Punting Yards 128 157
Punting Average 42.67 31.4
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-0
Penalties-yards 6-40 5-30
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 03, 2013, 04:35:51 pm
Quote from: Texas on October 03, 2013, 04:27:20 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 03, 2013, 01:24:05 pm
Quote from: DPaul on October 03, 2013, 01:17:03 pm
To settle somewhat of a small debate we need yall to come down here and play Colleyville Heritage... ;D
help me out, who is that?
Our last opponent. We beat them 35-14. It was their worst performance against us ever.
I looked them up, are they that good this year?
Apparently not. They have been much better in previous seasons. Last week they played really bad against Trinity. They couldn't get anything going offensively. Lots of fumbles, INT's, at least three bad snaps over the QB's head in shotgun, putting them in a 2nd or 3rd and long and killing their drive. We knocked two of their QB's out of the game. I can't say it was all Trinity. Normally they are pretty good and efficient on offense, but last week they didn't look like the same team we have been playing for the last five years in district.
I just like seeing the big boys in Ark cross the Red River and play some of our better programs it is a great measuring stick.
It good to see us play out of state for Arkansas Football. Pine Bluff in the 20's was a Cotton Belt RR Team and they were bad to the bone from what I have heard from many now long gone older folks. They were what the Oil Company Teams were in West Texas back in the 1950's
I believe Central plays a team from Texas next year in Dallas.
Yeah, Dallas Madison I believe.
ET friends, for the third week in a row after our epic 7-7 first half, ya'll have, I believe, scored at least four TDs on each of your opponents in the first half, have you not? As elswagado or Texas said, district can be brutal (on both of our opponents), as we're up 28-0 with a minute left in our first half tonight.
EDIT: Half, Jenks 7, Broken Arrow 0
Half, DeSoto 21, Mansfield Timberview 13
UPDATE: Jenks 7 BA 7, 3Q
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 11, 2013, 08:24:59 pm
ET friends, for the third week in a row after our epic 7-7 first half, ya'll have, I believe, scored at least four TDs on each of your opponents in the first half, have you not? As elswagado or Texas said, district can be brutal (on both of our opponents), as we're up 28-0 with a minute left in our first half tonight.
EDIT: Half, Jenks 7, Broken Arrow 0
Half, DeSoto 21, Mansfield Timberview 13
UPDATE: Jenks 7 BA 7, 3Q
Correct.
Update on Trinity now 4-2/3-0. Four game win streak. Offense finally rolling, though that has a lot to do with the opponents we are playing. Next up is our biggest rival and school district mate. L.D. Bell. Trinity currently has a 15 game win streak (15 years in a row) against Bell. This season Bell is clearly, IMO the second best team (behind Trinity) in the district. The are 5-1/3-0. They are clearly turning things around with their new head coach. Tap the brakes though. Every team Bell has beaten this season pretty much sucks and is a bottom dweller, so it should be fun to see what Bell does against a team that doesn't strip down, bend over and spread cheek. ::)
If interested, you can check out the game thread here: http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?77096-***-(4-2-3-0)-Trinity-vs-(5-1-3-0)-Bell-Pennington-Field-OGT-***
Quote from: urban legend2 on October 11, 2013, 02:57:21 pm
Yeah, Dallas Madison I believe.
What a joke! :)
That will be a win for Central, but not impressive. Madison sucks.
Quote from: urban legend2 on October 11, 2013, 02:57:21 pm
Yeah, Dallas Madison I believe.
What in the world ??? Little Rock Central and Dallas Madison are playing each other? Will that be followed by Allen vs Farmington?
Little Rock Central is an Arkansas 7A and has 2,500+ student enrollment.
Dallas Madison is a Texas 3A and has 537 student enrollment as of the last realignment period.
Quote from: Lions84 on October 02, 2013, 12:09:47 pm
Cause you give a good represention for HS Football in the STATE The Shiloh game gave all of Ark HS football an black eye.
A little late on this but...thank you.
Knowing that A) the previous week when DeSoto (#2 in the nation) put their sophomore QB in for two separate series, he ended up throwing as many interceptions, and; B) seeing how you've been blowing out your district opponents by the end of the first half, I'm still pleased as punch how the Bentonville team did given their struggles.
As said before, I'd have loved to see the Bentonville '11 or even '10 teams play a top Texas 5A team. Hope Bentonville Unified '14 and/or '15 have the talent like those two did, and have a shot to play a great team from the Great State in their respective seasons.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 13, 2013, 11:04:42 pm
As said before, I'd have loved to see the Bentonville '11 or even '10 teams play a top Texas 5A team. Hope Bentonville Unified '14 and/or '15 have the talent like those two did, and have a shot to play a great team from the Great State in their respective seasons.
IF Bentonville is willing to travel to Texas, I am sure something with someone can be arrange. Most teams in Texas will not travel, but they WILL host freakin' Mexican club all-star teams made up of 19 & 20 year olds. Just saying, if they will play teams from south of the national border, I see no reason they wouldn't play teams from NE of the state border.
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Quote from: Texas on October 15, 2013, 12:15:45 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 13, 2013, 11:04:42 pm
As said before, I'd have loved to see the Bentonville '11 or even '10 teams play a top Texas 5A team. Hope Bentonville Unified '14 and/or '15 have the talent like those two did, and have a shot to play a great team from the Great State in their respective seasons.
IF Bentonville is willing to travel to Texas, I am sure something with someone can be arrange. Most teams in Texas will not travel, but they WILL host freakin' Mexican club all-star teams made up of 19 & 20 year olds. Just saying, if they will play teams from south of the national border, I see no reason they wouldn't play teams from NE of the state border.
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Thanks for the advice. Let's see what shakes out over the next few years.
BTW, speaking of Texas, don't know if this clip works, but it was interesting to see Tony Conner, on the Bennie field last year and on the 2010 MNC South Panola team as an all-state starter (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9817200) sacking "Johnny Football" into an intentional grounding call last Saturday.
Quote from: Texas on October 15, 2013, 12:15:45 am
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Why not? We did OK against you guys.
You can say y'all are having a down year, but so are we...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on October 15, 2013, 04:03:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on October 15, 2013, 12:15:45 am
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Why not? We did OK against you guys.
You can say y'all are having a down year, but so are we...
^^^^ This ^^^^
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on October 15, 2013, 04:03:37 pm
Quote from: Texas on October 15, 2013, 12:15:45 am
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Why not? We did OK against you guys.
You can say y'all are having a down year, but so are we...
I am assuming you are saying "Why not?", in regard to me suggesting Bennie NOT play a top 10 Texas 5A team. Well, when Trinity played at Bentonville, they had fallen out of the top 10. I do mean fallen out, as in not even a single vote. Trinity was very dominant in many different ways against Bentonville. The week before, DeSoto destroyed Trinity. One of the worst losses I have ever witnessed as a Trinity fan. It was 54-14 at the half. Compared to Trinity teams of the past ('04-'10), Trinity sucks this year. So, DeSoto scored 61 on Trinity. You saw first hand how good Trinity's defense was against Bennie. That same defense got smacked around by DeSoto. I say all that to show how good DeSoto's offense is. In order to cover their WR's, you have to rush only three and play nickel or dime. If you do that, their very fast, very elusive QB rushes for 20 yards. If you try to rush the QB, he makes you pay by escaping anyway, very hard to sack. Their WR's are so fast it is easy for them to get open. The QB just needs a few seconds to find an open guy. If you play up on the WR's, they go deep and burn you. If you play soft zone, they pick you apart with dinks and dunks. The WR's get a lot of YAC's, and their QB usually rushes for 100 plus yards, while passing for 250-300+ yards a game. Their offense is as hard to stop as it comes. Their defense is okay. Good not great. Allen has the same type of QB and offense, better defense though. Katy is a high scoring smash mouth offense and elite defense. Trinity teams of the years I mentioned could have played with any of them and won most of the time. Not this year.
Basically what I am saying is, those teams are much better than Trinity, and Bennie lost to Trinity at home. To think you are gonna go to their place and beat one of those teams, or any other team in the top 10, is overly optimistic to put it mildly. Hey, I have a lot of respect for the Bentonville Tigers. I'm just watching out for ya. ;)
Bentonville vs Aledo would be a great game, and they're one of the teams that has had to settle for scheduling the Mexico school so it would make sense. I actually heard rumblings last spring about Bentonville and Stephenville possibly playing (???) No clue if there's any truth to that and I can't remember where I heard it. Bentonville would be a little too good up front and deep for Stephenville (IMO), but that would have been really fun to watch. I heard that Stephenville backed out of the Bentonville game (I think I heard that from an Arkansas source), maybe to replace it with that game against the Florida school that they beat back in week 2 or 3. Or perhaps Bentonville pulled the plug once they heard they were going to get a shot at Trinity? Any of you Tiger fans know anything about that?
Quote from: elswagado on October 17, 2013, 09:04:22 am
Bentonville vs Aledo would be a great game, and they're one of the teams that has had to settle for scheduling the Mexico school so it would make sense. I actually heard rumblings last spring about Bentonville and Stephenville possibly playing (???) No clue if there's any truth to that and I can't remember where I heard it. Bentonville would be a little too good up front and deep for Stephenville (IMO), but that would have been really fun to watch. I heard that Stephenville backed out of the Bentonville game (I think I heard that from an Arkansas source), maybe to replace it with that game against the Florida school that they beat back in week 2 or 3. Or perhaps Bentonville pulled the plug once they heard they were going to get a shot at Trinity? Any of you Tiger fans know anything about that?
Interesting about Stephenville. Stephenville is one of the teams that has played Mexican teams as well. In fact they lost to a Mexican team last year, before going on to win a state title in 3A. They would probably be outmatched against Bentonville. Not embarrassed, but outmatched as far as depth, size, general quality of players etc... Aledo would be a much better game.
Stephenville is where Art Briles was HC in the '90's when Stephenville was 4A. He won several state titles. He then went on to assistant coach at Texas Tech, Head Coach at Univ. of Houston, now head coach at Baylor. Jonathan Grey of the University of Texas played at Aledo a few years ago. He was the #1 recruit in the nation. They rolled off three titles while he was there. Their coach says this season they have their best team ever.
Quote from: Texas on October 13, 2013, 01:12:30 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 11, 2013, 08:24:59 pm
ET friends, for the third week in a row after our epic 7-7 first half, ya'll have, I believe, scored at least four TDs on each of your opponents in the first half, have you not? As elswagado or Texas said, district can be brutal (on both of our opponents), as we're up 28-0 with a minute left in our first half tonight.
EDIT: Half, Jenks 7, Broken Arrow 0
Half, DeSoto 21, Mansfield Timberview 13
UPDATE: Jenks 7 BA 7, 3Q
Correct.
Update on Trinity now 4-2/3-0. Four game win streak. Offense finally rolling, though that has a lot to do with the opponents we are playing. Next up is our biggest rival and school district mate. L.D. Bell. Trinity currently has a 15 game win streak (15 years in a row) against Bell. This season Bell is clearly, IMO the second best team (behind Trinity) in the district. The are 5-1/3-0. They are clearly turning things around with their new head coach. Tap the brakes though. Every team Bell has beaten this season pretty much sucks and is a bottom dweller, so it should be fun to see what Bell does against a team that doesn't strip down, bend over and spread cheek. ::)
If interested, you can check out the game thread here: http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?77096-***-(4-2-3-0)-Trinity-vs-(5-1-3-0)-Bell-Pennington-Field-OGT-***
Make that 16 in a row. Trinity 55 Bell 0 Total domination. Box score and game story here. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/scores-schedules/boxscores/?ID=252226&Sport=1&SearchDate=10/17/2013&Season=&refresh=disabled
Quote from: Texas on October 18, 2013, 12:12:16 am
Quote from: Texas on October 13, 2013, 01:12:30 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 11, 2013, 08:24:59 pm
ET friends, for the third week in a row after our epic 7-7 first half, ya'll have, I believe, scored at least four TDs on each of your opponents in the first half, have you not? As elswagado or Texas said, district can be brutal (on both of our opponents), as we're up 28-0 with a minute left in our first half tonight.
EDIT: Half, Jenks 7, Broken Arrow 0
Half, DeSoto 21, Mansfield Timberview 13
UPDATE: Jenks 7 BA 7, 3Q
Correct.
Update on Trinity now 4-2/3-0. Four game win streak. Offense finally rolling, though that has a lot to do with the opponents we are playing. Next up is our biggest rival and school district mate. L.D. Bell. Trinity currently has a 15 game win streak (15 years in a row) against Bell. This season Bell is clearly, IMO the second best team (behind Trinity) in the district. The are 5-1/3-0. They are clearly turning things around with their new head coach. Tap the brakes though. Every team Bell has beaten this season pretty much sucks and is a bottom dweller, so it should be fun to see what Bell does against a team that doesn't strip down, bend over and spread cheek. ::)
If interested, you can check out the game thread here: http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?77096-***-(4-2-3-0)-Trinity-vs-(5-1-3-0)-Bell-Pennington-Field-OGT-***
Make that 16 in a row. Trinity 55 Bell 0 Total domination. Box score and game story here. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/scores-schedules/boxscores/?ID=252226&Sport=1&SearchDate=10/17/2013&Season=&refresh=disabled
SLACKERRRRRS! You only scored
21 points in the first half this time. ;) :)
(EDIT: Texas, I'll add:
A) I'm a bit surprised that, apparently, your lowest point total of the season so far has been with the Bentonville game (though I'm not forgetting who had "Scoreboard" in that contest) 8) ,
B) I know you guys would still say you're down this year, as Bentonville is, too (I've been out of state since the beginning of the month, but when I last saw the newspaper with the Arkansas 7A West comparisons Bentonville was, amazingly, dead last in offense...a complete reversal of the past three years) but...we each still may have enough in the tank to make a serious run (that is, on our side if our key players stay healthy, which may be a tall order for Bentonville this season) :-[, and;
C) I'm more in admiration of Bennie's sophomore QB after seeing what you've done in district this year (and barring complete catastrophe, look likely to do until regular season's end). Yes, he had not an ideal game, but how many other teams across Texas (or America) would want their sophomore QB making his first start against you guys (without his #1 receiver for the game to boot)? (BTW, you know better than I how your DeSoto game turned out, but as I recall the first two series that the DeSoto coach pulled his stud (for high school) QB and replaced him with his sophomore backup, ended up with two TDs for Trinity...ya'll got in that guy's head. The DeSoto coach had to bring back the starting QB to restore order (which he did for his final series). Considering the circumstances, Kasey Ford did all right.))
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
When I said Trinity did NOT play in a tough district I didn't just make it up. That being said that is no knock on Trinity because they usually play a TOUCH OOC schedule and their season starts in the playoffs, which is bad boy stuff.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
I'm surprised that it's more than the 2010 team, but not surprised about 11/12. This year's team is pretty similar to those two except it's getting the growth of JaRon Wilson at running back, who is "typical" Trinity caliber RB that they missed the last two years. You guys got to see one of his first games, he's gotten better and is the difference, IMO.... if you'll recall, he was pretty much the only reason Trinity got the W up there, once he started getting carries he was unstoppable. All of that to say - Trinity's district games are pretty inconsequential, as it's just a bad district and going undefeated is almost assumed.
Quote from: elswagado on October 18, 2013, 12:41:32 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
I'm surprised that it's more than the 2010 team, but not surprised about 11/12. This year's team is pretty similar to those two except it's getting the growth of JaRon Wilson at running back, who is "typical" Trinity caliber RB that they missed the last two years. You guys got to see one of his first games, he's gotten better and is the difference, IMO.... if you'll recall, he was pretty much the only reason Trinity got the W up there, once he started getting carries he was unstoppable. All of that to say - Trinity's district games are pretty inconsequential, as it's just a bad district and going undefeated is almost assumed.
BTW, I was mistaken...looks like according to MaxPreps this is the highest first four district game scoring streak you've had since the
2005 Dimitri Nance team. Hope that bodes well for you. (Bennie '10 did pretty good with a sophomore running back, too. :) )
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 07:44:12 am
SLACKERRRRRS! You only scored 21 points in the first half this time. ;) :)
(EDIT: Texas, I'll add:
A) I'm a bit surprised that, apparently, your lowest point total of the season so far has been with the Bentonville game (though I'm not forgetting who had "Scoreboard" in that contest) 8) ,
B) I know you guys would still say you're down this year, as Bentonville is, too (I've been out of state since the beginning of the month, but when I last saw the newspaper with the Arkansas 7A West comparisons Bentonville was, amazingly, dead last in offense...a complete reversal of the past three years) but...we each still may have enough in the tank to make a serious run (that is, on our side if our key players stay healthy, which may be a tall order for Bentonville this season) :-[, and;
C) I'm more in admiration of Bennie's sophomore QB after seeing what you've done in district this year (and barring complete catastrophe, look likely to do until regular season's end). Yes, he had not an ideal game, but how many other teams across Texas (or America) would want their sophomore QB making his first start against you guys (without his #1 receiver for the game to boot)? (BTW, you know better than I how your DeSoto game turned out, but as I recall the first two series that the DeSoto coach pulled his stud (for high school) QB and replaced him with his sophomore backup, ended up with two TDs for Trinity...ya'll got in that guy's head. The DeSoto coach had to bring back the starting QB to restore order (which he did for his final series). Considering the circumstances, Kasey Ford did all right.))
A) Bennie has a better defense than all our district opponents. Penalties in that game that wipe out some big plays were a part as well. The DeSoto game doesn't matter since most of the points scored were against their backups. Jenks has a really good defense as well. Penalties in that game too.
B) Again. Down IN COMPARISON to Trinity teams of the past. Still will get to at least round 3 of 6 and play Southlake Carroll. We may win that game too, cause I don't think SLC is all that.
C) I agree. Ford performed better than several QB's Trinity has faced. I recognized his abilities. Kids got a bright future. With any Soph QB, there is always a learning curve. Playing against a team like Trinity is a daunting task. Under the circumstances, he played pretty well.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
That is a surprising stat. Well, not '12, but certainly '10 and to a lesser degree '11.
Trinity is improving. I can see it. One of the reasons I hate weak districts is because it is hard to tell how much your team is improving. Are they really getting better, oris the competition just worse?
By the way, our district really sucks. Worse this year than I can ever remember. Good Lord!
Quote from: Billyo62 on October 18, 2013, 12:35:21 pm
When I said Trinity did NOT play in a tough district I didn't just make it up. That being said that is no knock on Trinity because they usually play a TOUCH OOC schedule and their season starts in the playoffs, which is bad boy stuff.
One of my concerns about playing in a weak district is that a team needs to play competitive game against other teams that CAN beat them to gear up for the playoffs. I think Coach L has done a good job of trying to have a very competitive non-district schedule, including OOS. The lack of district competition can hurt teams come playoff time, especially some teams that schedule cupcakes in non-district as well. It has never hurt Trinity in the past. Last two years, I think the weak district did hurt Trinity in getting ready for the playoffs.
Quote from: Texas on October 20, 2013, 11:34:40 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
That is a surprising stat. Well, not '12, but certainly '10 and to a lesser degree '11.
Trinity is improving. I can see it. One of the reasons I hate weak districts is because it is hard to tell how much your team is improving. Are they really getting better, oris the competition just worse?
By the way, our district really sucks. Worse this year than I can ever remember. Good Lord!
You probably saw my follow up post, Texas, but looking at Maxpreps I was wrong...your team's scored the most in the first four district contests since the 2005 SC team. Again, I know it's troubling looking at the weakness of the district right now (and your last three district games don't look to be state championship previews, not a knock on your team). We're still trying to guess what to make of ours as well. Still, better to be winning these strong than squeaking by (or worse, losing, as we almost did).
Quote from: elswagado on October 18, 2013, 12:41:32 pm
I'm surprised that it's more than the 2010 team, but not surprised about 11/12. This year's team is pretty similar to those two except it's getting the growth of JaRon Wilson at running back, who is "typical" Trinity caliber RB that they missed the last two years. You guys got to see one of his first games, he's gotten better and is the difference, IMO.... if you'll recall, he was pretty much the only reason Trinity got the W up there, once he started getting carries he was unstoppable. All of that to say - Trinity's district games are pretty inconsequential, as it's just a bad district and going undefeated is almost assumed.
Trinity has had plenty of RB's that were very good. Helped by the excellent o-lines as well. Typical as you put it are names like Lee Foliaki ('00, '01), Akuila Eteaki ('03, '04), LaDerrick Handy ('04, '05), Justise Campbell and Shannon Moore ('06), Samir Baker ('07), Tray Robinson ('07, '08, '09), Tevin Williams ('08, '09, '10), Terrence Tusan ('09, '10)...
...You said Trinity missed having their typical caliber RB the last two years. LOL! Last season, that is true for sure. Two years ago, not true at all......Exceptional are Dimitri Nance ('03, '04, '05) and Jo'el Kimpella ('12). Those are far and away the best RB's ever at Trinity. I'll expand on that thought if you want me to.
Ja'Ron Wilson appears to have all the tools necessary to be just as good as Nance and Kimpella. However, I think before it's all said and done, (barring injuries) Ja'Ron will be the best ever! He may not set season or career records that Nance did, but in pure ability, he will be better. IMO.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 20, 2013, 02:47:26 pm
Quote from: Texas on October 20, 2013, 11:34:40 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 18, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
Texas and elswagado, Maxpreps says that, since our game, ya'll have scored more in your four district games (196 pts) than the '12, '11 or '10 E.T. teams did in their respective schedules during the same 1st-4-district-games time span.
I know you said it's not good to have a weak district (that's not been our problem, blessedly, during the same few years), but interesting to see nonetheless.
That is a surprising stat. Well, not '12, but certainly '10 and to a lesser degree '11.
Trinity is improving. I can see it. One of the reasons I hate weak districts is because it is hard to tell how much your team is improving. Are they really getting better, oris the competition just worse?
By the way, our district really sucks. Worse this year than I can ever remember. Good Lord!
You probably saw my follow up post, Texas, but looking at Maxpreps I was wrong...your team's scored the most in the first four district contests since the 2005 SC team. Again, I know it's troubling looking at the weakness of the district right now (and your last three district games don't look to be state championship previews, not a knock on your team). We're still trying to guess what to make of ours as well. Still, better to be winning these strong than squeaking by (or worse, losing, as we almost did).
Mostly because of how much worse our district is this year than EVER in the past. Partly because Lineweaver and crew decided to go back to the bread and butter offense of just run, run, run!
I blanked on Kimpela, you're right, he was a stud.
Quote from: Texas on October 15, 2013, 12:15:45 am
IF Bentonville is willing to travel to Texas, I am sure something with someone can be arrange. Most teams in Texas will not travel, but they WILL host freakin' Mexican club all-star teams made up of 19 & 20 year olds. Just saying, if they will play teams from south of the national border, I see no reason they wouldn't play teams from NE of the state border.
I would suggest however a 11-25 5A team or top 10 4A team. Cedar Hill, Austin Westlake, Cedar Park, Longview, Mesquite Horn, Arlington Martin, Abilene, Denton Guyer, Aledo, Waco Midway, Alvin Manvel, The Woodlands, etc...
No need to play a DeSoto, Katy, Allen at their place. It would not be a pretty site. The teams listed above would give Bennie all they could handle, and Bennie would at least have a chance, on the road.
Aledo is the best 4A team in the state. #1 in Texas 4A. Their enrollment as of last realignment is 1,544. They have been as dominant as imaginable. This weekend they beat FW Western Hills by a score of 91-0! Their results through seven games.
Aledo 44 Highland Park 3 @ Eagle Stadium in Allen
@ Aledo 56 Stephenville 14
@ Aledo 49 Prepa Tec (MX) 7
Aledo 84 @ FW Arlington Heights 7
@ Aledo 77 FW South Hills 16
Aledo 84 FW O.D. Wyatt 7
@ Aledo 91 FW Western Hills 0
Offensive scoring average 69.3 Opponents scoring average 7.7
Total offense YPG 574.1 Total defense YPG 239.1
Aledo started the season at #3 in the AP top 10. Highland Park just missed the pre-season AP top 10, but received the 12th most votes. HP is a very good team and they have won every game since convincingly. They are on the verge of getting into the top 10 now. Stephenville started the season as the pre-season 3A #1 team in the AP top 10. They dropped to #7 after playing Aledo. They are now #5, the highest for a team with a loss. All those other teams suck.
Bentonville's defense was good enough in the undefeated sc year of '10 with all the gunslingers they faced, but the defense and the offense were about on par by 2011. That would have been fun to face Aledo with Johnathan Gray that year.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 20, 2013, 08:32:10 pm
Bentonville's defense was good enough in the undefeated sc year of '10 with all the gunslingers they faced, but the defense and the offense were about on par by 2011. That would have been fun to face Aledo with Johnathan Gray that year.
Yeah, Gray was a monster in HS, as you can imagine a career 10,000 yard RB would be. Interesting thing about Aledo though, they can pass the ball very well too. A few years after Gray, this season their top rusher has 454 yards through seven games. But they have 2,501 rushing yards as a team. They have two other guys with 400+ yards. They are a RB by committee team and spread the yards around to many different RB's. They also have 1,518 passing yards. Their starting QB is very efficient with 1,210 yards, 14 TD's 0 INT's and a 69.16 comp %. Bentonville vs. Aledo. That would be quite a game.
Aledo's as good or better this year than they were during any of the Gray years, IMO. They have 2 kids on offense that are absolutely electric (Newsome & Anders) and both are juniors, as is their QB. I think them vs Bentonville would be a great matchup in 2014.
Thanks, guys.
I'd mentioned on the "Heritage" thread how that team, two years ago, clobbered Springfield Hillcrest when Dorial Green-Beckham was a senior there. (Green-Beckham, Gray and Maty Mauk, who has ridden to stardom by finishing of Georgia in Athens then Florida with their top defense yesterday, were quite the record-setting trio as seniors, though Gray's the only one who ever won a championship (and how, in Texas 4A).) Heritage back then only had something like 2 wins on the season but they wiped the floor with Green-Beckham's team.
Bentonville might have put a blemish on Aledo's record then. Might be fun next year. But I still hope if BHS is at full strength these next two pre-split years they can get another shot at a tough Texas 5A team. The ad executive Leo Burnett, who used to have one of the top agencies around in his day, had as his company's logo a hand reaching for stars. His slogan was, "If you reach for the stars you may not get one but you won't come up with a handful of mud, either."
Lunney, Sr's been reaching for the stars for his team the past couple of years and I doubt that stops in 2014 and 2015. Hope not.
Hope you don't take my suggestion of Aledo as a slight simply because they're 4A. Like Greenwood, I consider them to be one of the elite teams/programs in the state. Not Allen, Katy, or Desoto, but the very next tier.
Quote from: elswagado on October 21, 2013, 09:22:52 am
Hope you don't take my suggestion of Aledo as a slight simply because they're 4A. Like Greenwood, I consider them to be one of the elite teams/programs in the state. Not Allen, Katy, or Desoto, but the very next tier.
Yep. They would do quite well in the 5A Division II playoffs. They may even win it. Aledo is a 4A Division II team, so actually on the smaller side of 4A teams. If not Bentonville, I sure would like to see Aledo take on someone from 5A. Not Paschal or Weatherford of course, but maybe Abilene, Cooper, CHill, SLC, Cove, Midway, Arlington Bowie. I actually think Aledo would win most of those games.
No offense taken guys. :)
(I don't know that Bennie would beat Aledo THIS year. :P :-[ :-X )
I guess I was remembering 4A Texas High, which has had some great athletes and did win a state championship or two a decade ago, which we manhandled in '10 and '11 (in '10 they had their district's OPOY, in '11 they were district co-champs...both years "one and done" in the playoffs). (Kind of like how Grapevine, your downtrodden upcoming opponent, won the state championship when they had star athlete Jack Brewer back in the day...like Texas High's sc, a LOOONG time ago.) With that said, I'd have liked to have seen Bennie '10 play MICHAEL Brewer's (then-4A?) Lake Travis team three season's ago. Again, no guarantees of a Bennie victory, but with those two offenses it would have been fun.
There's no comparison between Aledo and those THigh teams.... IMO.
Quote from: elswagado on October 21, 2013, 01:32:51 pm
There's no comparison between Aledo and those THigh teams.... IMO.
Not even close.
Check this out. Read this story and tell me what you think. It is concerning Aledo's 91-0 win over FW Western Hills on Friday.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1 (http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1)
Quote from: Texas on October 21, 2013, 02:13:25 pm
Check this out. Read this story and tell me what you think. It is concerning Aledo's 91-0 win over FW Western Hills on Friday.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1 (http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1)
Sounds like Buchanan is of the Lineweaver/Lunney school of coaching. Lunney was uncomfortable with playing Siloam Springs (mandated by the state activities association to be in the same district with schools 2-3 times its size) last year for this type of reason, but SS probably was better off than these guys. Western Hills was, I thought, an established school (not a power, by any means). I'm wondering if the same phenomenon you all have seen in your district (perhaps the weakest in years) is at play there, too? Our economy isn't helping, and there's a war on against football by our pop culture mavens as well. >:(
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 21, 2013, 03:05:34 pm
Quote from: Texas on October 21, 2013, 02:13:25 pm
Check this out. Read this story and tell me what you think. It is concerning Aledo's 91-0 win over FW Western Hills on Friday.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1 (http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/10/21/5264501/was-aledos-91-0-football-win-last.html?rh=1)
Sounds like Buchanan is of the Lineweaver/Lunney school of coaching. Lunney was uncomfortable with playing Siloam Springs (mandated by the state activities association to be in the same district with schools 2-3 times its size) last year for this type of reason, but SS probably was better off than these guys. Western Hills was, I thought, an established school (not a power, by any means). I'm wondering if the same phenomenon you all have seen in your district (perhaps the weakest in years) is at play there, too? Our economy isn't helping, and there's a war on against football by our pop culture mavens as well. >:(
I think any coach with class would feel the same way. Once you get up by 50, no need to score any more. It's a shame, because that parent is the one who is classless in this situation.
WH is part of the FWISD. The inner city school districts here in Texas do not produce quality football teams. Most Dallas, Houston, S.A., Austin and El Paso schools are pretty bad relative to typical playoff teams. If those schools had to play in suburban UIL districts, very few of them would make the playoffs. Aledo I think is the only non FWISD school in that district.
Yeah, I think this is the worst our district has ever been. Outside of playing each other, I don't think any teams have wins outside of district vs. over .500 teams.
Ralphlauren McCauley?? RALPHLAUREN McCAULEY!?!?!?!?
TX and elswagado,
Looks like after last night you're now off to your highest-scoring first-five-games-in-district start in 10 years, eclipsing the three Trinity state championship teams of last decade plus the 2010 sc-game team.
Given your district issues, hope that bodes well both for you and for us...it's a free-for-all in both states right now.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 26, 2013, 02:51:58 pm
TX and elswagado,
Looks like after last night you're now off to your highest-scoring first-five-games-in-district start in 10 years, eclipsing the three Trinity state championship teams of last decade plus the 2010 sc-game team.
Given your district issues, hope that bodes well both for you and for us...it's a free-for-all in both states right now.
OP, I am not necessarily questioning you on this, but I am curious as to what your source is on this being the highest scoring team in district play, in the last 10 years. On the one hand, this team is know where near as good as many of the past. OTOH, the district sucks that much worse than in years past.
Quote from: Texas on October 27, 2013, 05:30:12 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 26, 2013, 02:51:58 pm
TX and elswagado,
Looks like after last night you're now off to your highest-scoring first-five-games-in-district start in 10 years, eclipsing the three Trinity state championship teams of last decade plus the 2010 sc-game team.
Given your district issues, hope that bodes well both for you and for us...it's a free-for-all in both states right now.
OP, I am not necessarily questioning you on this, but I am curious as to what your source is on this being the highest scoring team in district play, in the last 10 years. On the one hand, this team is know where near as good as many of the past. OTOH, the district sucks that much worse than in years past.
No problem, Texas. Going off Maxpreps numbers (which may be a mistake). ;)
EDIT:
2013 - ET first 5 district games, 252 pts
2012 - 196 pts
2011 - 227 pts
2010 - 245 pts
2009 - 181 pts
2008 - 191 pts
2007 - 175 pts
2006 - 191 pts
2005 - 249 pts
2004 - 219 pts
Still trying to determine what we have here in our 2013 BHS Tigers. (Mentioned earlier, it's still a free-for-all here though both our teams haven't lost since our meeting, though we came close two Fridays ago against a spirited team at their place on a miserable night.) As it is, I feel "blessed" for our loss given what ya'll have been doing to your mid-cities neighbor teams.
I decided to look it up. Per the Dallas Morning news. These are ONLY for district games.
So far, the 2013 team is averaging 50.4 PPG in five district games. :o With two games to go, there is a very good chance, this team will maintain this trend and finish with the most PPG in district, (I'm gonna say) ever.
The 2010 team averaged 49.75 PPG in eight district games.
The 2005 state champ team was by far the best offensive team we have ever had, IMO. They averaged 45.666 PPG in six district games.
2012 incredibly averaged 46 PPG in seven district games. I say incredibly, because that team was offensively challenged and struggled often.
2011 45.375 in eight district games.
2009 43.57 in seven district games.
2004 42.0 in six district games.
Records go back to 2003. The 2003, 2006, 2007 & 2008 teams all averaged less than 40 PPG in district games.
The very obvious conclusion is that our district sucks more than ever. The team is playing very well, but the pathetic competition is probably covering up some offensive flaws that we will find out about later. Sad to say, but if I want to be objective, it is the truth.
Sad, huh?
I know L.D. Bell won at least one SC (early 80s) as has Grapevine (90s, may have been Texas 4A). Hope this season's somewhat an aberration because it's neither fun nor good to have a district full of pushovers.
2005 was the Dmitri Nance team. Ya'll said Wilson may end up, in some ways, being better than NFL journeyman Nance if the former stays healthy. But Nance in 2005 was a senior, not a sophomore. That being said, still hope that you can go much further than you think you will in the playoffs. Yours is a tough team, and far stranger things have happened. First, though, you gotta get through Turner and that other team. :( (And I add the sad face because I'm pretty sure you'd prefer these guys at least have winning records to sharpen your guys.)
To offer some perspective, Trinity averaged 46 ppg in district last year but then only scored 7 against Southlake Carroll in the playoff loss. Carroll, of course, gave up 49 the next week to Desoto, who then got bounced by Allen the next week. The district's just really awful to be blunt.
But, I think Trinity has a decent shot of getting by Carroll this year. Of course, the prize for that is Desoto the next week and that's just not a good matchup for ET.
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 28, 2013, 08:36:06 am
Sad, huh?
I know L.D. Bell won at least one SC (early 80s) as has Grapevine (90s, may have been Texas 4A). Hope this season's somewhat an aberration because it's neither fun nor good to have a district full of pushovers.
2005 was the Dmitri Nance team. Ya'll said Wilson may end up, in some ways, being better than NFL journeyman Nance if the former stays healthy. But Nance in 2005 was a senior, not a sophomore. That being said, still hope that you can go much further than you think you will in the playoffs. Yours is a tough team, and far stranger things have happened. First, though, you gotta get through Turner and that other team. :( (And I add the sad face because I'm pretty sure you'd prefer these guys at least have winning records to sharpen your guys.)
Bell went to the state title game in 1982 but lost. They were State runners up that season. Earlier in the playoffs they tied Trinity, but advanced on penetrations. That was the first Trinity game I can remember going to. I was 11 years old.
As for Wilson, he should break the sophomore record held by Tevin Williams (2008) for rushing yards in a season. Williams had 1,167 yards on 194 carries and 20 TD's in 14 games. Williams was the starter and main RB, as no other RB came close to 1,000 yards. Wilson through eight games has 753 yards on 99 carries and 12 TD's. This is very impressive considering Ellsworth is the starter and has 795 yards on 59 carries and 8 TD's.
Nance BTW, had less than 500 yards as a Soph. I do not think Wilson will break Nance's Trinity record of 3,173 yards on 341 carries and 41 TD's (all Trinity records), but I look for Wilson to be highly recruited when it is all said and done. Wilson has all the tools Nance did, but is much faster. Wilson is even more explosive as a Soph than Nance was as a Senior.
Quote from: elswagado on October 28, 2013, 09:36:58 am
To offer some perspective, Trinity averaged 46 ppg in district last year but then only scored 7 against Southlake Carroll in the playoff loss. Carroll, of course, gave up 49 the next week to Desoto, who then got bounced by Allen the next week. The district's just really awful to be blunt.
But, I think Trinity has a decent shot of getting by Carroll this year. Of course, the prize for that is Desoto the next week and that's just not a good matchup for ET.
Yeah, I agree. At this point I expect Trinity to beat SLC. That means a trip to the quarter-finals (4th round). They will lose to DeSoto for sure, but will be much more competitive this time, I think. If they maintain the same level of offense, they will score many more points against DeSoto, who is not known for their defense. I still see DeSoto pulling away by about three TD's as a best case scenario for Trinity.
Thanks, Texas!
Apologize on the Bell error. Grapevine apparently won TWO scs, both in the 90s, both in Texas 4A. (I follow Texas Tech, and they had a Grapevine player who'd committed to then-coach Spike Dykes but backed out and went to SMU. I remember a DMN article on him.)
We'll see what happens for both our respective gangs...
Jack Brewer
Quote from: OPoraquê on October 28, 2013, 11:39:35 am
Quote from: elswagado on October 28, 2013, 11:34:30 am
Jack Brewer
Yep.
I remember him.
Grapevine would love to get stay 5A this next realignment. They have a really good chance, given the enrollment # they recently turned in. I could see them becoming an immediate consistent playoff team.
I would love to see the Greenwood machine face Aledo!
Quote from: Lions84 on October 29, 2013, 11:23:34 am
I would love to see the Greenwood machine face Aledo!
The Greenwood machine is no match for Aledo!
Quote from: Lions84 on October 29, 2013, 11:23:34 am
I would love to see the Greenwood machine face Aledo!
Rolled.
There are a lot of Texas 5A playoff teams that wouldn't beat Aledo. Many of them would get blown out.
Yep boys that Bearcat from Aledo is BAD to the BONE!
Quote from: Texas on October 27, 2013, 08:50:46 pm
I decided to look it up. Per the Dallas Morning news. These are ONLY for district games.
So far, the 2013 team is averaging 50.4 PPG in five district games. :o With two games to go, there is a very good chance, this team will maintain this trend and finish with the most PPG in district, (I'm gonna say) ever.
The 2010 team averaged 49.75 PPG in eight district games.
The 2005 state champ team was by far the best offensive team we have ever had, IMO. They averaged 45.666 PPG in six district games.
2012 incredibly averaged 46 PPG in seven district games. I say incredibly, because that team was offensively challenged and struggled often.
2011 45.375 in eight district games.
2009 43.57 in seven district games.
2004 42.0 in six district games.
Records go back to 2003. The 2003, 2006, 2007 & 2008 teams all averaged less than 40 PPG in district games.
The very obvious conclusion is that our district sucks more than ever. The team is playing very well, but the pathetic competition is probably covering up some offensive flaws that we will find out about later. Sad to say, but if I want to be objective, it is the truth.
2013 team is down to 49 PPG vs. 6-5A after scoring a measily 42 points vs Irving. Next up is R.L. Turner, perhaps the worst 5A team in the state. At least a bottom five anyway. In order to eclipse the 2010 teams 49.75, they need to score 55 points. Score 56 and they get up to 50. PPG average vs. 6-5A teams. The odds are heavily in our favor.
Texas, once again looks like you outscored these guys something like 21-7 in the first half. Still am glad Bentonville held their own. (The article someone linked said Trinity scored their first half TD then with 14 seconds left to go - I thought ya'll did so with 30 seconds left, picky picky).
Who will your team likely face in the first round? Second?
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 04, 2013, 12:33:04 pm
Texas, once again looks like you outscored these guys something like 21-7 in the first half. Still am glad Bentonville held their own. (The article someone linked said Trinity scored their first half TD then with 14 seconds left to go - I thought ya'll did so with 30 seconds left, picky picky).
Who will your team likely face in the first round? Second?
It's up in the air right now. Here is a quote to what I posted on the 5ATexasFootball.com board.
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Quote from: Super B;2240539It appears that there will be a three way tie for 4th place. 5-5A use a point differential system in the case of a three way tie.
Marcus beat Lewisville by 7, lost to FloMo by 3. Marcus is a +4.
FloMo beat Marcus by 3, lost to Lewisville by 2. FloMo is a +1.
Lewisville beat FloMo by 2, lost to Marcus by 7. Lewisville is a -5.
Assuming Marcus, FloMo and Lewisville all lose to Hebron, Ryan and Coppell, very likely. The point differentials will not change. Marcus has the upper hand and can just sit back and wait. If just one of these three pull an upset, that team gets into the playoffs. If two of the three pull an upset, it reverts back to head to head, see results above. If all three lose or win, Marcus is in.
Coppell will be the Division I 1st seed. Hebron will be the Division II 1st seed. Ryan will be the Division II 2nd seed. The 4th place finisher will be the Division I 2nd seed.
Trinity vs. 5-5A 4th place finisher
Heritage/Bell winner vs. Ryan
Heritage/Bell loser vs. Hebron
6-5A 4th place finisher vs. Coppell
"
So either Marcus, Lewisville or Flower Mound. That is a six team district. The top three teams are very good, good and okay. The three teams remaining one of which will be first round fodder for Trinity, all suck. 3-7 type teams.
Then Trinity, assuming they win in the first round, will play the winner of District 7-5A Division I 1st seed (Mansfield Timberview) vs. District 8-5A Division I 2nd seed (probably Copperas Cove). So, based on records and my knowledge of the teams, it will probably be Mansfield Timberview.
I'll save you the details from here on out. Third round will very likely be vs. Southlake Carroll. Lost to them last season. It was a very close hard fought game and Triinity had their chances. Game could have gone either way.
4th round would very likely be vs. DeSoto. Probably ends there. However, 5th round would likely be vs. Allen. 6th round, State Finals would probably be a Houston area or San Antonio area team. Whatever. I don't expect Trinity to get that far, but I do think it will be much closer next time vs. DeSoto. You never know I guess.
Texas, didn't seem fair to have you number crunch and me not reciprocate. The numbers below are Bentonville's "points for" and "points against" averages for this season and the last three teams (all of whom reached the state championship game) to compare how they did or (in this year's case) have done to date:
2013 PF 29.7 PA 12.55 (9 games)
2012 PF 40.46 PA 9.15 (13 games)
2011 PF 42.46 PA 10.46 (13 games)
2010 PF 47 PA 18.53 (13 games)
1. 2010 was one of a few undefeated Arkansas "big schools" in history. Clearly their defense wasn't quite as strong, but none of the other teams faced a bevy of high scoring offenses (as mentioned before in the thread, they faced over nine games, including the pre-season Tulsa scrum, 7 QBs who combined gained 53,000 offensive yards in their careers, many with a good supporting cast). That team was the third highest scoring team (in a season) in Arkansas big school history, and they played the 4th and 6th all-time leading scorers (Har-Ber and Fayetteville) twice in the season counting playoffs. (Amazingly, none of the aforementioned QBs was named "Kiehl Frazier".) Finished as the highest-ranked team of the four (ranked #21 in one national poll) and in the state (barring what this year's Bennie bunch does in the playoffs). 2010 state champions.
2. 2011 was perhaps the best of the four...they were a machine, combining the high-scoring players of 2010 with a bit stronger defense. They were ranked #1 in the nation in USA Today's Massey computer poll for a few weeks. Every non conference team they played (plus the big preseason annual half-game scrimmage in Tulsa) was either a district champion or co-champion. Went 12-1 losing to Fayetteville in OT in the sc.
3. 2012 may have played the best schedule of them all. (No offense to you guys, as you're the best of our non-con opponents this season.) Tulsa Union (big preseason scrimmage), KC Rockhurst and South Panola had multiple recent scs between them plus South Panola's MNC in 2010, and adding Broken Arrow, OK each went at least two games into the playoffs in 2012 (BA exiting first in the second round). In the regular season Bentonville beat 2 teams (Fayetteville, South Panola) who'd go on to win their state's big school championship. This team likely had the best defense of the four, just barely. Lost to a tougher Fayetteville team in the sc, finishing 12-1.
The numbers do indeed show that, statistically, we're "down" this year, with as many losses this season as we did all three years combined previously. Again, new OC and new DC for us this season, with our key players getting stronger by the game. This is going to be a fascinating Fayetteville contest (which I'm not penciling in as a "w" whatsoever) and playoff time.
Thanks for your response above; pullin' for ya'll down there.
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 05, 2013, 07:03:03 am
Texas, didn't seem fair to have you number crunch and me not reciprocate. The numbers below are Bentonville's "points for" and "points against" averages for this season and the last three teams (all of whom reached the state championship game) to compare how they did or (in this year's case) have done to date:
2013 PF 29.7 PA 12.55 (9 games)
2012 PF 40.46 PA 9.15 (13 games)
2011 PF 42.46 PA 10.46 (13 games)
2010 PF 47 PA 18.53 (13 games)
1. 2010 was one of a few undefeated Arkansas "big schools" in history. Clearly their defense wasn't quite as strong, but none of the other teams faced a bevy of high scoring offenses (as mentioned before in the thread, they faced over nine games, including the pre-season Tulsa scrum, 7 QBs who combined gained 53,000 offensive yards in their careers, many with a good supporting cast). That team was the third highest scoring team (in a season) in Arkansas big school history, and they played the 4th and 6th all-time leading scorers (Har-Ber and Fayetteville) twice in the season counting playoffs. (Amazingly, none of the aforementioned QBs was named "Kiehl Frazier".) Finished as the highest-ranked team of the four (ranked #21 in one national poll) and in the state (barring what this year's Bennie bunch does in the playoffs). 2010 state champions.
2. 2011 was perhaps the best of the four...they were a machine, combining the high-scoring players of 2010 with a bit stronger defense. They were ranked #1 in the nation in USA Today's Massey computer poll for a few weeks. Every non conference team they played (plus the big preseason annual half-game scrimmage in Tulsa) was either a district champion or co-champion. Went 12-1 losing to Fayetteville in OT in the sc.
3. 2012 may have played the best schedule of them all. (No offense to you guys, as you're the best of our non-con opponents this season.) Tulsa Union (big preseason scrimmage), KC Rockhurst and South Panola had multiple recent scs between them plus South Panola's MNC in 2010, and adding Broken Arrow, OK each went at least two games into the playoffs in 2012 (BA exiting first in the second round). In the regular season Bentonville beat 2 teams (Fayetteville, South Panola) who'd go on to win their state's big school championship. This team likely had the best defense of the four, just barely. Lost to a tougher Fayetteville team in the sc, finishing 12-1.
The numbers do indeed show that, statistically, we're "down" this year, with as many losses this season as we did all three years combined previously. Again, new OC and new DC for us this season, with our key players getting stronger by the game. This is going to be a fascinating Fayetteville contest (which I'm not penciling in as a "w" whatsoever) and playoff time.
Thanks for your response above; pullin' for ya'll down there.
Thanks. I suspect (no offense to him) part of the lack of scoring has to do with the sophomore QB. He's taken his lumps in a few games. From what I have seen though he has a bright future, and Bentonville will be better off the next two seasons.
The biggest number that bears out Trinity is still down (as compared to previous championship seasons) is 61-35, which I don't even like to say. That would have never happened back then. A loss perhaps, but they would have been in the game states to finish.
DPaul, Texas, elswagado...well...you've now finished undefeated in your district. Now we've got to see if we can do so in ours. (Big "if" in our case.)
Being up 49-0 at the half, your man Lineweaver's going to have some creative work to do to not be accused of bullying. ;D
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 07, 2013, 08:12:23 pm
DPaul, Texas, elswagado...well...you've now finished undefeated in your district. Now we've got to see if we can do so in ours. (Big "if" in our case.)
Being up 49-0 at the half, your man Lineweaver's going to have some creative work to do to not be accused of bullying. ;D
Never a problem for Coach L. He puts on the brakes like no one else. I didn't make the game, but from what I heard, starting RB Ellsworth did not even play. No starters or even regular rotation guys made it past the 1st quarter. 35-0 after 1st. 49-0 at the half. Final was 49-14. Lineweaver had brought some guys up from JV for this week. In the end, one of our kickers was getting carries at RB. Every player played tonight. Clock ran entire 2nd half. The opposing RB had something like 12 carries for 17 yards at the half, but finished with 34 carries for 135 yards or so.
Of course only scoring 49 points means this team misses out on the all time highest district scoring average in a season. Oh drats! I am crushed.
In the end, one of our kickers was getting carries at RB.
1. Thinking of Coach Lineweaver, with that big smile I saw on his face prior to the Bennie game, turning toward the DMN/Startlegram reporters (just looking for an excuse to declare someone "politically incorrect" and a "bully") and smiling: "There ya go, boys (or girls), THAT'S how it's done."
2. Saw CT's main RB you talked about was named "Bruttus". (Never saw it spelled with two "Ts"). Would have been cool to see "Homer" (Babcock) lined up against "Bruttus" at the stadium. Classical Greek vs. near-Classical Roman.
Craziest name has to go to Southlake Carroll's sophomore running back whose legal name is "Lil'Jordan Humphrey". And yes, he is an awesome basketball player.
I love funny sports names. From the '70's/'80's NBA/ABA, World B. Free. House Guest. MLB's Milton Bradley. Good stuff.
Saw bad news that Aledo's Johnathan Gray suffered a torn achilles tendon on Saturday vs. West Virginia. :-[ That's football, but it's a heartbreaker nonetheless as that young man was very blessed with talent, supremely so in high school/Texas high school football. Hope he's able to return for UT.
BTW, best to ya'll vs. FMM.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Number of Playoff games this week in big class football.
Texas- 47
Arkansas- 4
And people wonder why it's tough to compare Arkansas Football to Texas Football.
Trinity Fans:
Good luck in the 5A div 1 bracket. How do you see the team doing? How far do you have to advance to play either Desoto or Allen?
Any chance one of them gets upset, or are they in a class by themselves this year?
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 12, 2013, 06:35:12 pm
Trinity Fans:
Good luck in the 5A div 1 bracket. How do you see the team doing? How far do you have to advance to play either Desoto or Allen?
Any chance one of them gets upset, or are they in a class by themselves this year?
Trinity will destroy their next opponent by 2 TD's. Trust me. It's Marcus
Round1:
See Trinity winning first round (Flower Mound Marcus) by 3-4 TDs. Maybe more if Marcus quits, maybe less if Marcus has a great first half and takes it into the 2nd half. Trinity clearly better though.
Round 2:
Will be with Mansfield Timberview or Killeen Shoemaker, not sure which. Trinity should win that by 2 TDs, I'll guess, if they play well. Might be a test here, though. (If any of you are in DFW this weekend, there is a quadruple header scheduled at Cowboys Stadium with likely matchups of Coppell/Desoto, Trinity/Timberview-Shoemaker, Denton Ryan/Waco Midway, and Cedar Hill/Hebron. All 8 of these teams are upper echelon teams - going to be an awesome event.... Desoto, Midway, and Cedar Hill/Hebron winners have decent chance at making a run to state. This is the kind of event that makes Texas HS football so fun).
Round 3:
Next round should be Southlake Carroll or slight chance Arlington Bowie. I think a Southlake game is a toss-up... I give slight edge to Southlake but others feel differently. Trinity should beat Bowie if Bowie gets by Southlake... it would also be tight as Bowie has the WRs to give Trinity secondary fits, but their QB is injured and stationary, which eliminates one of the things that Trinity struggles with.
Round 4:
Desoto. If they get this far, it's party over. Desoto is Trinity kryptonite. Mobile QB and freak WRs. If, by some chance, Coppell gets by Desoto, that game would be more winnable. Coppell is a dang good team but they also struggle with Desoto (got hammered last year badly).
Round 5:
Allen. If they happened to get by Desoto, party would be over here. Allen's the best team in the state. Bigger than Trinity up front and skill positions about as athletic as Desoto - but even more well coached. Rivals 100 junior quarterback stirs the drink. Some feel Desoto is best in state. IMO Allen's no-brainer best.
Round 6:
State game, I'll guess it's Galena Park North Shore, Houston Lamar, or Converse Judson from the other side of the bracket. Were Trinity to beat Southlake Carroll, Desoto, and Allen, I actually think they'd have a decent shot at winning any of these matchups. Houston/San Antonio/Austin's best teams are in D2 rather than D1 (Katy, Cibolo Steele, Lake Travis, etc.)
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 11, 2013, 12:46:32 pm
Saw bad news that Aledo's Johnathan Gray suffered a torn achilles tendon on Saturday vs. West Virginia. :-[ That's football, but it's a heartbreaker nonetheless as that young man was very blessed with talent, supremely so in high school/Texas high school football. Hope he's able to return for UT.
BTW, best to ya'll vs. FMM.
Yep. Gray is likely done for the season. They lost another rotation RB too, so now it all on Malcolm Brown (Cibolo Steele).
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Quote from: Razorback Red on November 12, 2013, 06:35:12 pm
Trinity Fans:
Good luck in the 5A div 1 bracket. How do you see the team doing? How far do you have to advance to play either Desoto or Allen?
Any chance one of them gets upset, or are they in a class by themselves this year?
Trinity will destroy their next opponent by 2 TD's. Trust me. It's Marcus
Trinity 49 Marcus 21 - FINAL
Not that close.
Quote from: elswagado on November 13, 2013, 07:46:12 am
Round1:
See Trinity winning first round (Flower Mound Marcus) by 3-4 TDs. Maybe more if Marcus quits, maybe less if Marcus has a great first half and takes it into the 2nd half. Trinity clearly better though.
Round 2:
Will be with Mansfield Timberview or Killeen Shoemaker, not sure which. Trinity should win that by 2 TDs, I'll guess, if they play well. Might be a test here, though. (If any of you are in DFW this weekend, there is a quadruple header scheduled at Cowboys Stadium with likely matchups of Coppell/Desoto, Trinity/Timberview-Shoemaker, Denton Ryan/Waco Midway, and Cedar Hill/Hebron. All 8 of these teams are upper echelon teams - going to be an awesome event.... Desoto, Midway, and Cedar Hill/Hebron winners have decent chance at making a run to state. This is the kind of event that makes Texas HS football so fun).
Round 3:
Next round should be Southlake Carroll or slight chance Arlington Bowie. I think a Southlake game is a toss-up... I give slight edge to Southlake but others feel differently. Trinity should beat Bowie if Bowie gets by Southlake... it would also be tight as Bowie has the WRs to give Trinity secondary fits, but their QB is injured and stationary, which eliminates one of the things that Trinity struggles with.
Round 4:
Desoto. If they get this far, it's party over. Desoto is Trinity kryptonite. Mobile QB and freak WRs. If, by some chance, Coppell gets by Desoto, that game would be more winnable. Coppell is a dang good team but they also struggle with Desoto (got hammered last year badly).
Round 5:
Allen. If they happened to get by Desoto, party would be over here. Allen's the best team in the state. Bigger than Trinity up front and skill positions about as athletic as Desoto - but even more well coached. Rivals 100 junior quarterback stirs the drink. Some feel Desoto is best in state. IMO Allen's no-brainer best.
Round 6:
State game, I'll guess it's Galena Park North Shore, Houston Lamar, or Converse Judson from the other side of the bracket. Were Trinity to beat Southlake Carroll, Desoto, and Allen, I actually think they'd have a decent shot at winning any of these matchups. Houston/San Antonio/Austin's best teams are in D2 rather than D1 (Katy, Cibolo Steele, Lake Travis, etc.)
I see Trinity getting to round 4. Even SLC fans feel like they will lose to Trinity this year. Tough game. Won't be easy, but I think Trinity will pull it out.
Party over after that. DeSoto will (if nothing else) simply out score Trinity.
Allen is year in, year out the most overrated team in the state. '12-'14 though, they have Kyler Murray. Recruited from Marcus. Oops. I was not supposed to say that. Anyway, he is too much for most teams to handle. I don't know if Allen or DeSoto or Katy is the best in the state, which means to me none of those teams stand out from each other, but definitely a huge drop off after that. I would have to see those teams play each other to know which was the best. I will say IMO, Desmond White is the better QB at this point. With him it's pretty much 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing and 6 or 7 TD's (he accounts for running or passing) each and every game. Murray does have those games, but with Dez, it's pretty much every game. DeSoto plays in a tougher district IMO too. Right now it is hard to see any team stopping or really slowing down DeSoto's offense. Allen, though winning handily, does not look as impressive this season as last. Katy is Katy. Consistently a top 3 team every season.
Quote from: Texas on November 14, 2013, 10:43:48 pm
Quote from: Billyo62 on November 12, 2013, 06:41:01 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 12, 2013, 06:35:12 pm
Trinity Fans:
Good luck in the 5A div 1 bracket. How do you see the team doing? How far do you have to advance to play either Desoto or Allen?
Any chance one of them gets upset, or are they in a class by themselves this year?
Trinity will destroy their next opponent by 2 TD's. Trust me. It's Marcus
Trinity 49 Marcus 21 - FINAL
Not that close.
No, it wasn't. The last FMM TD was with a minute left to go. I will say this...they were only a 2-8 team before you played them, but they'd played some good teams (all Texas ones) and played them closer than one would think. With that said, Trinity scored the most points (49) of any team on FMM's 2013 schedule...next closest was Coppell (41).
The announcers mentioned Bennie a couple of times and were very complimentary each time. Looking forward to seeing who you end up with next week.
BTW, businesstron, you may be long gone, but I'm a bit surprised to look (seeing the DMN's hs sports coverage) that
Texas High is kickin' it this season. They're 9-1 in a new district, with the only loss being a 1 point setback to Tyler Lee. Meeting McKinney North tonight. Finished undefeated in district. Maybe they'll lose, but I figured THS might be going south. Good to see them doing so well.
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/texas-tigers-(texarkana,tx)/football/schedule.htm
Quote from: Texas on November 14, 2013, 10:59:50 pm
Allen is year in, year out the most overrated team in the state. '12-'14 though, they have Kyler Murray. Recruited from Marcus. Oops. I was not supposed to say that. Anyway, he is too much for most teams to handle. I don't know if Allen or DeSoto or Katy is the best in the state, which means to me none of those teams stand out from each other, but definitely a huge drop off after that. I would have to see those teams play each other to know which was the best. I will say IMO, Desmond White is the better QB at this point. With him it's pretty much 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing and 6 or 7 TD's (he accounts for running or passing) each and every game. Murray does have those games, but with Dez, it's pretty much every game. DeSoto plays in a tougher district IMO too. Right now it is hard to see any team stopping or really slowing down DeSoto's offense. Allen, though winning handily, does not look as impressive this season as last. Katy is Katy. Consistently a top 3 team every season.
Allen, overrated? They'd have 2 more rings if not for SLC (Trinity can relate) and those days are over, SLC is going to find it harder and harder to compete with these mega-schools with double the enrollment. Allen's as athletic as anyone outside, bigger than anyone inside, well coached, and the deepest team in the state with massive community support. They're the prototype. I think they're about to go on a huge run the next 5-10 years now that the SLC hurdle is cleared. I think you're livin' in the past with that statement brotha :) We shall see, though. For the record, I thought Desoto would beat them last year. Not this year. Allen back 7 is best in the state.
Quote from: elswagado on November 15, 2013, 09:26:09 am
Quote from: Texas on November 14, 2013, 10:59:50 pm
Allen is year in, year out the most overrated team in the state. '12-'14 though, they have Kyler Murray. Recruited from Marcus. Oops. I was not supposed to say that. Anyway, he is too much for most teams to handle. I don't know if Allen or DeSoto or Katy is the best in the state, which means to me none of those teams stand out from each other, but definitely a huge drop off after that. I would have to see those teams play each other to know which was the best. I will say IMO, Desmond White is the better QB at this point. With him it's pretty much 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing and 6 or 7 TD's (he accounts for running or passing) each and every game. Murray does have those games, but with Dez, it's pretty much every game. DeSoto plays in a tougher district IMO too. Right now it is hard to see any team stopping or really slowing down DeSoto's offense. Allen, though winning handily, does not look as impressive this season as last. Katy is Katy. Consistently a top 3 team every season.
Allen, overrated? They'd have 2 more rings if not for SLC (Trinity can relate) and those days are over, SLC is going to find it harder and harder to compete with these mega-schools with double the enrollment. Allen's as athletic as anyone outside, bigger than anyone inside, well coached, and the deepest team in the state with massive community support. They're the prototype. I think they're about to go on a huge run the next 5-10 years now that the SLC hurdle is cleared. I think you're livin' in the past with that statement brotha :) We shall see, though. For the record, I thought Desoto would beat them last year. Not this year. Allen back 7 is best in the state.
Allen is not overrated but will have to play well to win it all.Allen has always had good offense but the defense has made them contenders.They are very deep on both lines and back 7,if anyone can stop DeSoto's offense its Allen.
I love Texas HS football.Watched Allen lose to Trinity in the reg season and then beat Trinity in the playoffs 2008,any thing can happen in the playoffs,just to many good teams to beat.
I always had great respect for Trinity unlike some that bleach their hair for the playoffs.
Jenks 14 Owasso 10 - 3:12 4th
Quote from: Texas on November 15, 2013, 09:36:30 pm
Jenks 14 Owasso 10 - 3:12 4th
Oklahoma and Arkansas are providing the drama tonight, Texas. Saw that Big Al, SLC, DeS are jamming down in D/FW...
BTW, Owasso's the team Bennie spanked in the big scrimmage at season's beginning, but Owasso ALWAYS plays Union and/or Jenks tough once a year.
Quote from: elswagado on November 15, 2013, 09:26:09 am
Quote from: Texas on November 14, 2013, 10:59:50 pm
Allen is year in, year out the most overrated team in the state. '12-'14 though, they have Kyler Murray. Recruited from Marcus. Oops. I was not supposed to say that. Anyway, he is too much for most teams to handle. I don't know if Allen or DeSoto or Katy is the best in the state, which means to me none of those teams stand out from each other, but definitely a huge drop off after that. I would have to see those teams play each other to know which was the best. I will say IMO, Desmond White is the better QB at this point. With him it's pretty much 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing and 6 or 7 TD's (he accounts for running or passing) each and every game. Murray does have those games, but with Dez, it's pretty much every game. DeSoto plays in a tougher district IMO too. Right now it is hard to see any team stopping or really slowing down DeSoto's offense. Allen, though winning handily, does not look as impressive this season as last. Katy is Katy. Consistently a top 3 team every season.
Allen, overrated? They'd have 2 more rings if not for SLC (Trinity can relate) and those days are over, SLC is going to find it harder and harder to compete with these mega-schools with double the enrollment. Allen's as athletic as anyone outside, bigger than anyone inside, well coached, and the deepest team in the state with massive community support. They're the prototype. I think they're about to go on a huge run the next 5-10 years now that the SLC hurdle is cleared. I think you're livin' in the past with that statement brotha :) We shall see, though. For the record, I thought Desoto would beat them last year. Not this year. Allen back 7 is best in the state.
Let me get this out of the way. I do not like Allen. 6,000 students. That is why. You can say whatever you want but, they may have two more titles if it wasn't for Trinity too. So that is four titles missed out on. The fact is, there is always somebody. Doesn't matter if SLC is in there way or not. SLC and Trinity is down (compared to previous seasons) this year, but guess what? DeSoto is in their way. DeSoto may or may not beat Allen.
I said Allen is always overrated. Let me step back a little. In the past they have been overrated. Last year through next year (Kyler Murray's years) they are legitimately the best team in the state. With that said, they are still overrated! People think they cannot lose. They are wrong.
The enrollment numbers have been extremely high for the last 10 years at least. They have had the depth, talent, speed, athletism etc... advantages over most teams for that entire time. In that time they have won two titles. If anything they are underachieving. Kyler Murray's family moved from Lewisville to Allen so that Kyler could go to Allen. Home grown talent and all those advantages were not enough for Allen. Without Murray, they would not have won a title last season and would not be #1 and odds on favorite this season either.
Here is the bottom line for me and why I can't stand them. The ONLY reason AISD refuses to build additional HS's is so that they can have all those advantages. The fact is, many other districts could consolidate their HS's into one or two mega HS(s) and would have even bigger advantages than Allen, but they don't because they are in the business of educating their students first and foremost. What's best the for students overall, not athletics and mega band as a priority. Fact is, if AISD opened another HS, splitting into two 3,000 student schools, which are still a good size schools, Allen and the other HS would be average to slightly above average at best. They know it, and most people know it. So for those two reasons 1.being that big gives them many advantages, 2. Being half that size means they would be significantly worse and no better than slightly above average) they will not ever build another HS. I have no respect for them and that way of thinking.
Jenks 14 Owasso 10 - FINAL
Texas, sounds like a very familiar argument.
Jenks held on 14-10. Again, I wouldn't quite get concerned about that given what Owasso did to Union (beating UHS at home both in '11 and '12, snapping UHS near-decade long conference winning streak).
Take THAT, Smithian! 8)
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 15, 2013, 10:05:19 pm
Texas, sounds like a very familiar argument.
Jenks held on 14-10. Again, I wouldn't quite get concerned about that given what Owasso did to Union (beating UHS at home both in '11 and '12, snapping UHS near-decade long conference winning streak).
Take THAT, Smithian! 8)
Yes. An argument you could apply to Union (largest HS in OK) and Bennie (largest HS in AR). Bentonville's school district at least proves they are not just in it for having numbers advantages in athletics, by approving a new HS. That gets a lot of respect from me.
Broken Arrow will be favored against Mustang next week, so I hope they win to set up a semi's showdown with Union (more than likely).
Trinity will also be favored for 1 or 2 more rounds, so I hope they keep winning as well.
Then my Tigers just need to take care of business in AR.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 16, 2013, 12:06:38 pm
Broken Arrow will be favored against Mustang next week, so I hope they win to set up a semi's showdown with Union (more than likely).
Trinity will also be favored for 1 or 2 more rounds, so I hope they keep winning as well.
Then my Tigers just need to take care of business in AR.
Two thumbs WAAAAY up, Razorback Red!
Texas, I think I linked this article months before it was learned Bentonville would play Euless Trinity. It's about how Union, Jenks and Broken Arrow (and Owasso, to a degree), all Tulsa-area schools, have dominated Oklahoma big school football (http://www.normantranscript.com/sports/x357199763/This-could-finally-be-the-night-for-the-eastside-s-downfall) Frankly, what you're seeing here in Arkansas, with at least one Little Rock area team going to the state finals for the first time in I think 8 years, is what's been taking place in Oklahoma. It's UNCANNY that an Oklahoma City team hasn't won a state championship in that state's largest football classification in at least 11 years.
For instance, there are still many who can remember when Odessa Permian (which Broken Arrow went over and squashed 2-3 seasons ago) and Midland Lee won Texas big-school football championships, though I think those days may be gone. Same with Converse Judson out of S.A., Pearland (four-letter word), Cibolo Steele, etc. D/FW hasn't held a monopoly in recent years, though as you said sounds like the AHS Eagles are trying to start one...
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 16, 2013, 12:57:55 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 16, 2013, 12:06:38 pm
Broken Arrow will be favored against Mustang next week, so I hope they win to set up a semi's showdown with Union (more than likely).
Trinity will also be favored for 1 or 2 more rounds, so I hope they keep winning as well.
Then my Tigers just need to take care of business in AR.
Two thumbs WAAAAY up, Razorback Red!
Texas, I think I linked this article months before it was learned Bentonville would play Euless Trinity. It's about how Union, Jenks and Broken Arrow (and Owasso, to a degree), all Tulsa-area schools, have dominated Oklahoma big school football (http://www.normantranscript.com/sports/x357199763/This-could-finally-be-the-night-for-the-eastside-s-downfall) Frankly, what you're seeing here in Arkansas, with at least one Little Rock area team going to the state finals for the first time in I think 8 years, is what's been taking place in Oklahoma. It's UNCANNY that an Oklahoma City team hasn't won a state championship in that state's largest football classification in at least 11 years.
For instance, there are still many who can remember when Odessa Permian (which Broken Arrow went over and squashed 2-3 seasons ago) and Midland Lee won Texas big-school football championships, though I think those days may be gone. Same with Converse Judson out of S.A., Pearland (four-letter word), Cibolo Steele, etc. D/FW hasn't held a monopoly in recent years, though as you said sounds like the AHS Eagles are trying to start one...
It's Texas. Closest team we have had in the largest classification to a monopoly was when SLC went on their run of 5 straight Finals appearances, winning four of those five. Teams will go on mini stretches like Trinity winning three in five seasons. It seems like very few teams go on runs of more than about 10 seasons of winning titles here and there.
Yes. Midland and Odessa title days are over.
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
David Carter High School (Dallas) had some success back in the day, but was that before the "2000s"?
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 18, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
David Carter High School (Dallas) had some success back in the day, but was that before the "2000s"?
Even their success was vastly overstated thanks to lazy media & HG Bissinger, but then that's been over 20 years ago.
Quote from: elswagado on November 18, 2013, 02:58:06 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 18, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
David Carter High School (Dallas) had some success back in the day, but was that before the "2000s"?
Even their success was vastly overstated thanks to lazy media & HG Bissinger, but then that's been over 20 years ago.
Success maybe, but that team was insanely talented.
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 08:10:13 pm
Quote from: elswagado on November 18, 2013, 02:58:06 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 18, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
David Carter High School (Dallas) had some success back in the day, but was that before the "2000s"?
Even their success was vastly overstated thanks to lazy media & HG Bissinger, but then that's been over 20 years ago.
Success maybe, but that team was insanely talented.
They never sustained high level success.
Quote from: elswagado on November 18, 2013, 09:40:01 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 08:10:13 pm
Quote from: elswagado on November 18, 2013, 02:58:06 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on November 18, 2013, 02:39:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
David Carter High School (Dallas) had some success back in the day, but was that before the "2000s"?
Even their success was vastly overstated thanks to lazy media & HG Bissinger, but then that's been over 20 years ago.
Success maybe, but that team was insanely talented.
They never sustained high level success.
Yeah. Everything fell apart as quickly as it began.
Tough test this weekend. Trinity plays Mansfield Timberview. Not much offense from them but they have a tough defense. Lots of talent. They are capable of beating Trinity if Trinity loses focus, looks ahead or has too many TO's. Timberview is easily the best team Trinity has faced since Bentonville. However, as long as Trinity stays the course, they should win going away. I can see a fairly tight game with the Wolves hanging around into the 3rd-early 4th quarter before wearing down. They are undersized and lack depth, but they make the most of what they have.
Two years ago they were a surprise Cinderella team that had a few upsets of some established programs (Abilene Cooper & Abilene in consecutive weeks). They lost in the Semi-Finals to the eventual state champs, Spring DeKaney. However, just prior to the playoffs, in October of 2011, the UIL's bi-annual ADM snapshot day occurred. At the time, Timberview had something like 2,600 students, but their school district was to be opening a new HS for 2011-2012 school year. Now I have no idea how things got screwed up or who's fault it was, but the district rezoned, and about 1,000 of Timberview's students attended the new school the following school year. Thus, Timberview started 2011-2012 with 1,600ish students (about the same as Aledo). Timberview is essentially a 4A team playing in 5A. They struggled last season, but has rebounded quite well, though not nearly to the level of 2011.
Quote from: Texas on November 20, 2013, 07:30:35 pm
Tough test this weekend. Trinity plays Mansfield Timberview. Not much offense from them but they have a tough defense. Lots of talent. They are capable of beating Trinity if Trinity loses focus, looks ahead or has too many TO's. Timberview is easily the best team Trinity has faced since Bentonville. However, as long as Trinity stays the course, they should win going away. I can see a fairly tight game with the Wolves hanging around into the 3rd-early 4th quarter before wearing down. They are undersized and lack depth, but they make the most of what they have.
Two years ago they were a surprise Cinderella team that had a few upsets of some established programs (Abilene Cooper & Abilene in consecutive weeks). They lost in the Semi-Finals to the eventual state champs, Spring DeKaney. However, just prior to the playoffs, in October of 2011, the UIL's bi-annual ADM snapshot day occurred. At the time, Timberview had something like 2,600 students, but their school district was to be opening a new HS for 2011-2012 school year. Now I have no idea how things got screwed up or who's fault it was, but the district rezoned, and about 1,000 of Timberview's students attended the new school the following school year. Thus, Timberview started 2011-2012 with 1,600ish students (about the same as Aledo). Timberview is essentially a 4A team playing in 5A. They struggled last season, but has rebounded quite well, though not nearly to the level of 2011.
I'm sure your guys will be focused, and as you said, a potential upset if not. Best to you guys this Saturday!
Agreed. Good luck tomorrow, Trinity.
BTW, Broken Arrow won big tonight and all other OK big classification games were postponed.
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 22, 2013, 10:22:12 pm
Agreed. Good luck tomorrow, Trinity.
BTW, Broken Arrow won big tonight and all other OK big classification games were postponed.
Postponed to when? It only gets worse after today.
Not sure. I assume tomorrow during the day???
Quote from: Razorback Red on November 22, 2013, 10:22:12 pm
Agreed. Good luck tomorrow, Trinity.
BTW, Broken Arrow won big tonight and all other OK big classification games were postponed.
45-20 over a Mustang team that last week came back and beat Norman North (with their Alabama-commit QB) which beat Broken Arrow in last years semifinals. BA is indeed in the OK semis with a 10-2 record. Still weird how the Union-Jenks-BA triangle just pwns Oklahoma City, like Little Rock, the biggest metro area in the state.
TIMBERRRRRRR(view)!!! (Sound of a tree hopefully falling down tomorrow.)
Trinity down 7-0 end of 1. Maybe the least inspired quarter of football I have ever witnessed from a Trinity team under lineweaver.
Down 14-7 8:00 2nd. Horrible district hangover, first decent team they're playing and they look a lot like the start of the season.
Elswagado, what's this I hear about the other team mimicking the Haka in front of their inflatable entrance tonight?
42-21...now THAT'S more like it, ET. (And I can still smile knowing that we held you to fewer points in the first half than Timberview did, for all the good it did either them or Bennie. ;) )
Seriously, congrats on the "Sweet 16". SLC's a tough team, but at least come playoff time you all don't have to collectively bleach your hair like Eminem circa Y2K. Open up a can, no, a TANK CAR LOAD of whoopsomethin' on those boyzz next week.
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
How about HP? Not a suburb of Dallas, but really is in the city. Winningest program in TX football history. Won last night and go to rd three at AT&T stadium next week. Pretty salty again this year.
Quote from: neds on November 23, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
How about HP? Not a suburb of Dallas, but really is in the city. Winningest program in TX football history. Won last night and go to rd three at AT&T stadium next week. Pretty salty again this year.
Geographically you are correct but it might as well be in Hawaii relative to how it fits in with Dallas ISD or inner city football. Truly Bubbleville.
And.... they ain't THAT good. Aledo destroyed em earlier and they haven't made a deep run in several years now.
Quote from: neds on November 23, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
How about HP? Not a suburb of Dallas, but really is in the city. Winningest program in TX football history. Won last night and go to rd three at AT&T stadium next week. Pretty salty again this year.
HP is a suburb. Not an inner-city. Okay, sort of "inner city", since it lies inside the city limits of Dallas, but what we really mean by inner city school is urban. The actual school in the actual big city. HP is as anti-urban as it gets, despite it's location.
Quote from: elswagado on November 23, 2013, 11:12:55 pm
Quote from: neds on November 23, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Quote from: Texas on November 18, 2013, 02:35:04 pm
Quote from: Lions84 on November 18, 2013, 11:53:59 am
The Suburbs of DFW is where our HS Football strength lies. Fort Worth High Teams could not win most area 3A conferances.
Very true.
In Texas the suburbs rule. There are occasionally some inner-city schools that sort of contend.
S.A. Madison
Dallas Skyline
Houston Lamar (5A Division I Finals runner-up 2012)
Lamar is really more suburban, as it is a magnet business school in a very well off-upper class Houston neighborhood.
S.A. Alamo Heights (2006 4A Division I Champs)
How about HP? Not a suburb of Dallas, but really is in the city. Winningest program in TX football history. Won last night and go to rd three at AT&T stadium next week. Pretty salty again this year.
Geographically you are correct but it might as well be in Hawaii relative to how it fits in with Dallas ISD or inner city football. Truly Bubbleville.
And.... they ain't THAT good. Aledo destroyed em earlier and they haven't made a deep run in several years now.
Yeah. HP should finally be returning to the states largest division starting next season. A playoff team in 6A, but an early round exit I imagine.
1. (Highland Park) "MATT-IE STAF-FORD (clap clap, clapclapclap)..."
2. Elswagado, Texas, DPaul, dang...saw where Big Al, DeSoto and SLC are #1, #2 and #3 in MaxPreps (ya'll are #11, congrats on the steady rise). You're right...you're in a murderer's row, especially this year. Still pulling for you.
3. From today's Bentonville paper, on Bennie QB Kasey Ford - tell Coach Lineweaver "thanks" for helping our guy grow up ;) :
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(Bentonville sophomore QB Kasey) Ford has thrown for 1,459 yards and 17 touchdowns with five interceptions. Three of those interceptions were against Euless Trinity in a 21-13 loss. (NOTE: I think his first interception was against Broken Arrow, so that means he's apparently thrown only 1 INT in conference and postseason play to date since, given he didn't play vs. KC Rockhurst.)
"He got thrown into it extremely fast against some very, very good football with talent, speed and physicality," Lunney said. "He made some critical errors against Euless, but I'm not sure that senior quarterbacks wouldn't have against them. He threw three interceptions, but he also had a touchdown dropped and threw some really nice balls. He grew up a lot that game. He didn't let it bother him."
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Bentonville has also relied more on running the ball especially early in the season. Only in the loss to Euless Trinity has Ford attempted more than 20 passes.
I had no idea Trinity had risen in any national poll. Shoot, we haven't even cracked the top 10 in 5A in the AP poll. Surprised too.
Yeah, glad to see Ford has grown a lot. Despite his three INT's in that game, I saw a lot there. Kid has a bright future. I am no talent scout, so I do not know about college, but it looks like he will become an excellent HS QB. Trinity is a tough defense to go up against regardless of what position you play.
BTW, where does Southlake Carroll fall in the Max Prep poll? It's gonna be a tough game. I think Trinity can win, just don't know if they will.
As for Timberview, the game went pretty much as I expected. Just thought Timberview would be the ones hanging around, but it was Trinity who was tying the game with each score in the 1st half. In the end though, Timberview was physically worn out. In the 4th with about 4:00 left or so, Trinity with a 35-21 lead, Timberview had us backed up to our own 7 yard line, 3rd and 30. I said to my brother, "Well, they won't get a 1st down now.". Then Ellsworth ripped off a 93 yard TD run. Went around the end, got past the linebackers, then gone. My brother said to me, "I thought you said they wouldn't get a 1st down?". I looked back and said, "They didn't. They scored a touchdown!". Best play of the game. I'll link the video later.
EULESS TRINITY 42, #12 America/#3 Texas Southlake Carroll 38...ET to the Texas 5A quarterfinals!
(BTW, Webb City wins its fourth straight Missouri 4A state title this afternoon as well...their only loss was to Har-Ber this season!)
Congrats, elswagado, Texas, DPaul and company!!
:) I'm an SLC fan, but pull for ET when they aren't playing the Dragons. Trojans played great tonight. Hammack, Ellsworth and Wilson have grown leaps and bounds this year. The touchdown before half was mind-numbing. Congrats to the ET crew on here, pulling for you next week.
Unbelievable game tonight. Both teams left it all out there on the field. Instant classic....last I heard
Desoto 22
Arl Martin 17
2Q
Quote from: DPaul on November 29, 2013, 09:11:38 pm
Unbelievable game tonight. Both teams left it all out there on the field. Instant classic....last I heard
Desoto 22
Arl Martin 17
2Q
DeSoto won 56-34.
Congrats to Bennie on making it to a 4th straight appearance in the 7A Championship game. Good luck against Cabot next week.
Quote from: elswagado on November 29, 2013, 07:58:48 pm
:) I'm an SLC fan, but pull for ET when they aren't playing the Dragons. Trojans played great tonight. Hammack, Ellsworth and Wilson have grown leaps and bounds this year. The touchdown before half was mind-numbing. Congrats to the ET crew on here, pulling for you next week.
Thanks Oak. Yeah, that TD was something else. Not the TD itself, but the return and pass to set up the TD.
Stats here: http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/scores-schedules/boxscores/?ID=261192&Sport=1&SearchDate=11/29/2013&Season=&refresh=disabled
Game story here: http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/matt-wixon/20131129-trinity-takes-advantage-of-single-turnover-to-end-southlake-carroll-s-run-and-return-to-5a-quarterfinals.ece
You have a class program, I served your boys pre-game dinner at First Baptist in Benni. They were all respectful and gracious. After reviewing all of our games on HUDL, your defense was by far the most athletic/aggressive that we have faced. Has your offense progressed? Any improvement in the passing game? Benni is a much better team having played you, esp w maturation of our soph QB. Take state!
Quote from: searcy86 on November 30, 2013, 04:39:18 pm
You have a class program, I served your boys pre-game dinner at First Baptist in Benni. They were all respectful and gracious. After reviewing all of our games on HUDL, your defense was by far the most athletic/aggressive that we have faced. Has your offense progressed? Any improvement in the passing game? Benni is a much better team having played you, esp w maturation of our soph QB. Take state!
I'd say a very big yes.
Hammack was flat out skittish the first several games (especially Jenks & BV games), he now approaches the LOS like he's in total command. He's physically capable of doing some good things and finally seems to have taken control of what it means to be "the man". Wilson is almost a veteran now.... he was #28, the guy who gave BVille guys fits (when he was in), he is a special talent who was just finding his footing in the BVille game. Coaching staff seems to trust him now. Ellsworth never got loose in the open field against BVille, but he is running much tougher (IMO). Another note - Deion Guignard - the guy who most Trinity fans wanted to start at QB - has found a great niche at WR & KR. He was a huge factor in the SLC game that he wasn't earlier in the season - he actually made the biggest play of the game IMO, catching a ~55 yard bomb with a minute left in the 1st half when it looked like SLC might pull away.
Sounds like yall have really matured. Thanks for the update and I will be following ET.
Quote from: elswagado on November 30, 2013, 05:10:40 pm
Quote from: searcy86 on November 30, 2013, 04:39:18 pm
You have a class program, I served your boys pre-game dinner at First Baptist in Benni. They were all respectful and gracious. After reviewing all of our games on HUDL, your defense was by far the most athletic/aggressive that we have faced. Has your offense progressed? Any improvement in the passing game? Benni is a much better team having played you, esp w maturation of our soph QB. Take state!
I'd say a very big yes.
Hammack was flat out skittish the first several games (especially Jenks & BV games), he now approaches the LOS like he's in total command. He's physically capable of doing some good things and finally seems to have taken control of what it means to be "the man". Wilson is almost a veteran now.... he was #28, the guy who gave BVille guys fits (when he was in), he is a special talent who was just finding his footing in the BVille game. Coaching staff seems to trust him now. Ellsworth never got loose in the open field against BVille, but he is running much tougher (IMO). Another note - Deion Guignard - the guy who most Trinity fans wanted to start at QB - has found a great niche at WR & KR. He was a huge factor in the SLC game that he wasn't earlier in the season - he actually made the biggest play of the game IMO, catching a ~55 yard bomb with a minute left in the 1st half when it looked like SLC might pull away.
The offense has definitely improved. And now I think it is safe to say it is not just because of our pathetic district competition. They have scored 49, 42 and 42 points in their three playoff games. They have settled in to a rhythm. Early in the season the coaches are trying to figure out what combo of RB's will get the job done most effectively. Next year, they won't have to do that because Wilson and Natee will be the only RB's back with any significant PT. Wilson will be the man. Natee will play FB and possibly backup RB to spell Wilson. I am sure they will throw in a couple of other guys, as I have heard of a couple of other talented (currently) sophomore RB's at the JV levels. Of course they will be needing to find a new QB.
Much of the reason for the improvement offensively is due to Hammack's growth. He is a completely different QB now than he was at the beginning of the season. It was never a matter of not having the ability. With him it was the deer in the headlights factor. I do not know if I have ever seen this much improvement from a football player of the course of a season. Incredible. As for Deion Guignard, he may have made a better QB than Hammack. We will just never know. But then we would not have him at WR and it is less likely they would have their starting QB out there returning kickoffs. I must eat crow where Hammack is concerned. I was one of the most vocal in my desire for Deion to be the QB. Ironically I have been wanting this type of QB for years. One that just hands off the ball, can effectively complete passes with a high percentage and can complete deep balls. The coaches fell in love with Hubbard's and Carter's ability to run, but I always thought 'don't force it'. If you have a guy like that, fine, but don't try to make a player be something he is incapable of being. They finally listened. The few times Hammack runs, he catches the defense off guard and gains yards.
One more thing. Remember Denarius McGhee and Willie Hubbard? Early in their careers, I remember thinking of both of them that they wouldn't work and wouldn't be very good QB's. Well McGhee passed for a team record 2,300 yards one season and Hubbard passed for 1,750 very effective yards and rushed for nearly 1,000. Both led the team to state titles. This is Hammack's senior year and an odd year. I am hoping for a repeat of that scenario.
Quote from: Texas on November 27, 2013, 02:06:05 pm
BTW, where does Southlake Carroll fall in the Max Prep poll? It's gonna be a tough game. I think Trinity can win, just don't know if they will.
As for Timberview, the game went pretty much as I expected. Just thought Timberview would be the ones hanging around, but it was Trinity who was tying the game with each score in the 1st half. In the end though, Timberview was physically worn out. In the 4th with about 4:00 left or so, Trinity with a 35-21 lead, Timberview had us backed up to our own 7 yard line, 3rd and 30. I said to my brother, "Well, they won't get a 1st down now.". Then Ellsworth ripped off a 93 yard TD run. Went around the end, got past the linebackers, then gone. My brother said to me, "I thought you said they wouldn't get a 1st down?". I looked back and said, "They didn't. They scored a touchdown!". Best play of the game. I'll link the video later.
Took me long enough, but here it is. These are the highlights of the whole game. The Ellsworth run I talked about is at the 4:30 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1wXfzLknR4
One thing's for sure, if they win it this year they will have earned it. Timberview, SLC, Desoto, Allen, and then the state championship game would be the most difficult playoff gauntlet I have ever seen since I started watching TX HS football.
Quote from: elswagado on November 30, 2013, 09:53:29 pm
One thing's for sure, if they win it this year they will have earned it. Timberview, SLC, Desoto, Allen, and then the state championship game would be the most difficult playoff gauntlet I have ever seen since I started watching TX HS football.
True. The next game is the hardest IMO. I say that based on the week 2 result. I expect Trinity will lose, but you just never know. If the unlikely happens, we have Allen likely waiting the next week. Doesn't get any easier. Interestingly enough two possible opponents in the finals are Judson and Pearland. Trinity beat Judson in 2005 and 2007 for state. And of course Trinity lost to Pearland in 2010 for state.
Quote from: elswagado on November 30, 2013, 09:53:29 pm
One thing's for sure, if they win it this year they will have earned it. Timberview, SLC, Desoto, Allen, and then the state championship game would be the most difficult playoff gauntlet I have ever seen since I started watching TX HS football.
I would have to agree considering you would have to beat the top 2 teams in the state and a top 10 team in SLC.
But the 2010 playoff gauntlet was the hardest I've seen at this time.
ET 37
Allen 35 (area rd)
ET 41
Coppell 40 (region final)
ET 28
RR STP 24 (state semis)
But at that time Trinity was the #1 team in the nation only to lose to Pearland despite outplaying them.
GO TRINTY!
Trinity v Desoto resched til mon?
Drove from Beni to DFW yesterday, 5 hr trip turned into 13 hr ice rd adventure.
Quote from: searcy86 on December 07, 2013, 12:37:08 pm
Trinity v Desoto resched til mon?
Drove from Beni to DFW yesterday, 5 hr trip turned into 13 hr ice rd adventure.
Yes, Monday 1:00am in Waco of all places. Gigantic cluster #$%^ of a decision from administrators.
Quote from: elswagado on December 07, 2013, 01:54:37 pm
Yes, Monday 1:00am in Waco of all places. Gigantic cluster #$%^ of a decision from administrators.
Wow. that's early...
Quote from: Earl is my Hero!! on December 07, 2013, 02:35:05 pm
Quote from: elswagado on December 07, 2013, 01:54:37 pm
Yes, Monday 1:00am in Waco of all places. Gigantic cluster #$%^ of a decision from administrators.
Wow. that's early...
D'oh! Make that 1:00pm on a Monday in Waco, which is only *slightly* less absurd.
Just read where Pearland plays Madison in one semi and Allen is awaiting the winner of Desoto/Trinity. I'm still confused on how Allen and Desoto ended up on the same side of the bracket.
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 07, 2013, 09:24:43 pm
Just read where Pearland plays Madison in one semi and Allen is awaiting the winner of Desoto/Trinity. I'm still confused on how Allen and Desoto ended up on the same side of the bracket.
We don't do ranking systems or points, it's just 4 regions grouped by districts..... region 1 is mostly west/central DFW with West Texas (Abilene, Midland, Odessa, Lubbock, El Paso), region 2 is a mix of a lot, but mostly east DFW, east Texas, Austin & parts of Houston, region 3 is mostly Houston and far southeast TX, and region 4 is San Antonio & everything south.
Unfortunately, aside from Katy, most of the best teams are from R1 and R2 so a lot of good teams get sent home early. I'd prefer a ranking system, but unfortunately Texas is a billion miles wide & long and it wouldn't make sense if your #1 seed was, say, Katy, and your #16 seed was, say, El Paso Andress.
http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/5AD1
http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/5AD2
Thanks for the info!
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 07, 2013, 09:24:43 pm
Just read where Pearland plays Madison in one semi and Allen is awaiting the winner of Desoto/Trinity. I'm still confused on how Allen and Desoto ended up on the same side of the bracket.
DeSoto and Trinity are in Region 1. Allen in Region 2. Pearland (GHA) in Region 3. SA Madison in Region 4. The bracket is set up where 1 & 2 are on one side and 3 & 4 are on the other. So each season 1/2 plays 3/4 for the title.
The regions are set up in a clockwise manner starting at the 9 O'Clock position. So starting with El Paso in Region 1 working NW. This is for all levels, but in 5A there are not enough teams just in El Paso and West Texas to take up a whole region obviously. So most of DFW is also in Region 1. There are a few CenTex teams in Region 1 as well. A few districts are in Region 2. Then Region 2 continues to northern GHA and two Austin districts. I'll spare you the rest of the details. Suffice it to say, DFW is mostly Region 1 with a few districts being Region 2, Allen's being one of them. Austin is Region 2. Houston (GHA) is mostly Region 3 with a few districts in Region 2. San Antonio, Southern Coastal Bend and RGV is Region 4.
Quote from: Texas on December 08, 2013, 01:08:40 am
DeSoto and Trinity are in Region 1. Allen in Region 2. Pearland (GHA) in Region 3. SA Madison in Region 4. The bracket is set up where 1 & 2 are on one side and 3 & 4 are on the other. So each season 1/2 plays 3/4 for the title.
The regions are set up in a clockwise manner starting at the 9 O'Clock position. So starting with El Paso in Region 1 working NW. This is for all levels, but in 5A there are not enough teams just in El Paso and West Texas to take up a whole region obviously. So most of DFW is also in Region 1. There are a few CenTex teams in Region 1 as well. A few districts are in Region 2. Then Region 2 continues to northern GHA and two Austin districts. I'll spare you the rest of the details. Suffice it to say, DFW is mostly Region 1 with a few districts being Region 2, Allen's being one of them. Austin is Region 2. Houston (GHA) is mostly Region 3 with a few districts in Region 2. San Antonio, Southern Coastal Bend and RGV is Region 4.
Here is a map. http://uil-texas.net/php/dispatch.php?event=public_solution_map&first_time=init&id=3
Quote from: elswagado on December 07, 2013, 09:47:36 pm
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 07, 2013, 09:24:43 pm
Just read where Pearland plays Madison in one semi and Allen is awaiting the winner of Desoto/Trinity. I'm still confused on how Allen and Desoto ended up on the same side of the bracket.
We don't do ranking systems or points, it's just 4 regions grouped by districts..... region 1 is mostly west/central DFW with West Texas (Abilene, Midland, Odessa, Lubbock, El Paso), region 2 is a mix of a lot, but mostly east DFW, east Texas, Austin & parts of Houston, region 3 is mostly Houston and far southeast TX, and region 4 is San Antonio & everything south.
Unfortunately, aside from Katy, most of the best teams are from R1 and R2 so a lot of good teams get sent home early. I'd prefer a ranking system, but unfortunately Texas is a billion miles wide & long and it wouldn't make sense if your #1 seed was, say, Katy, and your #16 seed was, say, El Paso Andress.
http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/5AD1
http://www.uiltexas.org/football/playoff-brackets/5AD2
This. Good job explaining it.
Original post: So is Bennie this year's champs or is the Arkie playoffs still going?
Post after research: Nevermind I just read the Bennie/Cabot game has been pushed back to this Friday the 13th.
Well bring it home Bennie! (Although I keep hearing this Cabot is similar to Trinity on style)
Quote from: DPaul on December 08, 2013, 10:35:46 am
Original post: So is Bennie this year's champs or is the Arkie playoffs still going?
Post after research: Nevermind I just read the Bennie/Cabot game has been pushed back to this Friday the 13th.
Well bring it home Bennie! (Although I keep hearing this Cabot is similar to Trinity on style)
I'd actually like to see a roster with heights and weights.
Feel for you guys, DPaul, because if you are able to win you'll face an Allen team with two more days rest than you. Nonetheless, I'm sure the team would rather be facing AHS slightly fatigued than resting for good watching DeSoto this next Saturday. Best to ya'll tomorrow, too.
Trinity gets a 12th man with severe wind that will help slow Desoto's offense down a bit, at least through the air. Are the stars aligned for Trinity?
12-7 Desoto up end of 1st, Desoto driving, 1st & goal inside Trinity 10.
Wow.... Desoto fumbles inside the 10, huge break for Trinity. Next series Trinity busts a 90 yarder and fumbles inside the 10 recovered by Desoto.
Quote from: elswagado on December 09, 2013, 01:48:24 pm
Wow.... Desoto fumbles inside the 10, huge break for Trinity. Next series Trinity busts a 90 yarder and fumbles inside the 10 recovered by Desoto.
Is the game streamed online anywhere?
28-14 Desoto half.
http://www.championsportsradio.com/trinity.html for radio.
Quote from: elswagado on December 09, 2013, 02:25:24 pm
28-14 Desoto half.
http://www.championsportsradio.com/trinity.html for radio.
Thanks
Not feeling good about this one for the Trojans, it sounds like wind is forcing a ground game contest but Desoto seems to be getting the best of that as well, unexpectedly.
28-27 Desoto going into the 4th! This might happen
Quote from: elswagado on December 09, 2013, 03:17:59 pm
28-27 Desoto going into the 4th! This might happen
34 all with 8 left in the 4th. At this point ET's actually OUTGAINED DS by 1 yard.
Happy for ya'll, now FINISH THIS WELL. Bennie and Jenks can't be the only ones left standing tonight from your regular schedule. ;)
Desoto takes lead with 6 seconds left. Was a good game to hear.
DeSoto wins 48-41
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 09, 2013, 03:39:31 pm
Quote from: elswagado on December 09, 2013, 03:17:59 pm
28-27 Desoto going into the 4th! This might happen
34 all with 8 left in the 4th. At this point ET's actually OUTGAINED DS by 1 yard.
Happy for ya'll, now FINISH THIS WELL. Bennie and Jenks can't be the only ones left standing tonight from your regular schedule. ;)
Unfortunately, you are right. Bennie, Jenks AND DeSoto are still playing.
Well, this season ended about how I figured. With a loss in the 4th round to DeSoto. This game however did not go EXACTLY how I thought it would. I knew this time around the game would be much more competitive. I did not think Trinity would be leading in the final minute. I figured it would still be within reach into the 4th before DeSoto pulled away for good. My how far this team came since that week 2 beating they took at the hands of DeSoto. I guess if they went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the state of Texas and nation, to lose in the final 6 seconds, that is growth of epic proportions.
Now Tigers take the Arkansas 7A crown. Win it for the coach, the team, the fans and for Trinity. Best of luck.
Stats from Trinity vs. DeSoto
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/scores-schedules/boxscores/?ID=261930&Sport=1&SearchDate=12/09/2013&Season=&refresh=disabled
TEAM STATS
DeSoto Euless Trinity
Total yards 607 584
First downs 40 22
Rushes/Yds 74/498 46/493
Average rush 6.73 10.72
Comp-Att-Int 9-15-2 5-12-0
Pass yards 109 91
Comp pct 60 41.67
Punts. 1 3
Punting Yards 24 110
Punting Average 24 36.67
Fumbles-Lost 4-2 4-2
Penalties-yards 7-60 4-29
Key players:
DeSoto
Desmond White 9-15 60% 109 yards 1 TD, 2 INT's, 23 carries 186 yards 8.09 YPC
Jaimon Peterson 25 carries 131 yards 5.24 YPC 2 TD's
Jatory Brown 14 carries 88 yards 6.29 YPC 2 TD's
Larry Nixon 11 carries 80 yards 7.27 YPC 1 TD
Trinity
Christian Hammack 5-11 45.45% 91 yards 2. TD's 0 INT's
Isaac Ellsworth 17 carries 306 yards 18.00 YPC 1 TD
Ja'Ron Wilson 14 carries 140 yards 10.00 YPC 1 TD
Tyler Natee 4 carries 30 yards 7.50 YPC 2 TD's
Quote from: Texas on December 09, 2013, 07:39:29 pm
Well, this season ended about how I figured. With a loss in the 4th round to DeSoto. This game however did not go EXACTLY how I thought it would. I knew this time around the game would be much more competitive. I did not think Trinity would be leading in the final minute. I figured it would still be within reach into the 4th before DeSoto pulled away for good. My how far this team came since that week 2 beating they took at the hands of DeSoto. I guess if they went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the state of Texas and nation, to lose in the final 6 seconds, that is growth of epic proportions.
Now Tigers take the Arkansas 7A crown. Win it for the coach, the team, the fans and for Trinity. Best of luck.
Thank you, Texas. Very classy and appreciated. (Frankly, I take no solace in this now, but I didn't think we'd have you scoreless with 30 seconds left in the first half back in September. Again, I could see the fear in the DeSHS team's eyes through the radio when Dez White was out of the game with their soph QB in, and knowing OUR sophomore QB was starting his first game...) MaxPreps says DeSoto is #1 in Texas right now (we'll see how that stands a week from today) and it seems like you, they and Big Al ought to be the top 3 in the Great State.
We'll do our best this weekend...we're going to be in a battle.
Well it's been fun Arkansas. Hope Bennie takes state. Depending on the new 6A re-alignment in February we may need another meeting with Bennie ;)
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 09, 2013, 09:59:37 pmMaxPreps says DeSoto is #1 in Texas right now (we'll see how that stands a week from today) and it seems like you, they and Big Al ought to be the top 3 in the Great State.
Pray no one from Katy reads this or this board will be destroyed and then a barren wasteland for years to come.
BTW, Allen had been thrown out as a pre-conference possibility for Bentonville. Yesterday it was announced that one of their pre-district games would be the team from South Carolina that beat Byrnes this year, so I'm thinking the Bentonville game is doubtful.
Quote from: Texas on December 09, 2013, 07:39:29 pm
Well, this season ended about how I figured. With a loss in the 4th round to DeSoto. This game however did not go EXACTLY how I thought it would. I knew this time around the game would be much more competitive. I did not think Trinity would be leading in the final minute. I figured it would still be within reach into the 4th before DeSoto pulled away for good. My how far this team came since that week 2 beating they took at the hands of DeSoto. I guess if they went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the state of Texas and nation, to lose in the final 6 seconds, that is growth of epic proportions.
Now Tigers take the Arkansas 7A crown. Win it for the coach, the team, the fans and for Trinity. Best of luck.
Thanks, you Texas guys were great on here this year. Tough way for the Trojans to end the season but you guys went down swinging. Good luck next year.
Tough loss for Trinty !
Jenks beat Union 38-22 to win the OK 6A Championship. That was expected. It sucks for OK 6A teams knowing it is a foregone conclusion that with very rare exception, there are only two teams in contention each season.
Quote from: elswagado on December 10, 2013, 08:23:02 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 09, 2013, 09:59:37 pmMaxPreps says DeSoto is #1 in Texas right now (we'll see how that stands a week from today) and it seems like you, they and Big Al ought to be the top 3 in the Great State.
Pray no one from Katy reads this or this board will be destroyed and then a barren wasteland for years to come.
BTW, Allen had been thrown out as a pre-conference possibility for Bentonville. Yesterday it was announced that one of their pre-district games would be the team from South Carolina that beat Byrnes this year, so I'm thinking the Bentonville game is doubtful.
Funny, but I am not sure what you mean.I hope there is no truth to the Allen vs. Bentonville game possibility. Allen is a mighty force that I believe would roll over Bennie. OTOH, their run defense is not their strength, but still, they are very hard to stop on offense.
I was actually wondering if there could be a possibility of a Bentonville at Trinity matchup. Of course I guess if Lunney was interested, maybe he would have scheduled it as a two game series from the get go.
It good to see those games played Ark vs TX is a great measuring stick for both programs.
Bville wins 39-28!
Congrats BVille. Was disappointed this one wasn't streamed (free).
Congrats to Bentonville! A close game with Rockhurst. Losses to Broken Arrow and Trinity. None of it matters now. Those games helped make the team better. In the end, you are the champs. DPaul and I had a debate about what makes for a great season or a great team. I said a team that wins the title or at least comes very close, like in the title game. Just short of that, you are a very good team that had a very good season. Nothing wrong with being very good, BTW. So here's to the greatness that is the Bentonville Tigers.
Thanks, elswagado and Texas! "Very good" was us last year...in the regular season we beat two "big-school" state champs but just couldn't get it done against a Fayetteville team that deserved to be back-to-back state champs. This one feels good, and ya'll toughened us up...we never lost again after you guys.
Will be interesting to hear the Big Al-DeSoto game tomorrow. Hope BL Sr. calls Lineweaver again for a rematch (though it will be a tall order going down there, but...to be the best, you've gotta play the best).
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
I'm going to guess somewhere around #10 in 5A due to reputation, but as far as I can tell the only significant returnees are the RB Wilson and FB Natee (both of whom are studly), a UT commit and one other on the OL, and then a couple of very good underclassmen DLs. One OLB who saw a lot of time will be back. The RBs and DL will be up there with best in state and OL is never a problem at Trinity but every other position will be a major rebuild. I really like the JR & SO DL who are returning, very very talented. Couple of them grew up a ton over the course of the year and were dominant by year end after not playing much early. The sophomore has a chance to be a big time national recruit when he's a senior.
Thanks for the info. I'm sure ET will be fine next year.
I wish Bville and ET could play again next week, now that they are both playing at a higher level. I still would favor ET slightly, but I think Ford would give them fits now that he has experience. Also JJ would be in there as well, which adds a deep threat. Would definitely be entertaining to watch. I hope we play again in the next few years.
I also wish we could play BA again. Personally, I think Bville would handle them pretty easily now. We didn't have Smith when we played them the first time, and Ford didn't start. My guess is Bville would beat them by at least 2 TD's now.
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 14, 2013, 10:42:49 am
Thanks for the info. I'm sure ET will be fine next year.
I wish Bville and ET could play again next week, not that they are both playing at a higher level. I still would favor ET slightly, but I think Ford would give them fits now that he has experience. Also JJ would be in there as well, which adds a deep threat. Would definitely be entertaining to watch. I hope we play again in the next few years.
I also wish we could play BA again. Personally, I think Bville would handle them pretty easily now. We didn't have Smith when we played them the first time, and Ford didn't start. My guess is Bville would beat them by at least 2 TD's now.
Desoto vs ET, 9/14 - 61-35 loss (54-14 at halftime)
Desoto vs ET, 12/9 - 48-41 loss (in the last 5 seconds)
ET this year probably improved as much throughout the season as any team I've ever seen. The early season flaws were glaring and seemed to get worked out.
Anyone know if the Allen/Desoto game today at 2pm is on TV? I am looking through my DirecTV channels now, but all I can find is the Virginia title game at 2pm.
This Texas semi should be a classic!
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 14, 2013, 11:32:30 am
Anyone know if the Allen/Desoto game today at 2pm is on TV? I am looking through my DirecTV channels now, but all I can find is the Virginia title game at 2pm.
This Texas semi should be a classic!
You can listen live, here: http://www.legacysportsnetwork.com/games/allen-vs-desoto
At approximately 4:40pm it will be on KTXA - channel 21 on dishTV down here on tape delay - not sure if you guys get that up there, doubt you do unfortunately.
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/allen-desoto-showdown-saturday-will-be-televised-but-not-live.html/
Haven't heard or seen their games this season, but BOY, you called it, elswagado and Texas. Allen's been having their way against DeSoto so far (10-0) though DeSoto just got their first first down.
EDIT: 10-7 Allen, but weird that Allen has -6 yards rushing right now. May be a better game than some thought. BTW, this is being played at my favorite Texas high school stadium Mesquite Memorial (how could it NOT be cool with this thing hanging over everyone? Then again, it might be a bit scary, too):
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Quote from: OPoraquê on December 14, 2013, 02:24:45 pm
Haven't heard or seen their games this season, but BOY, you called it, elswagado and Texas. Allen's been having their way against DeSoto so far (10-0) though DeSoto just got their first first down.
EDIT: 10-7 Allen, but weird that Allen has -6 yards rushing right now. May be a better game than some thought. BTW, this is being played at my favorite Texas high school stadium Mesquite Memorial (how could it NOT be cool with this thing hanging over everyone? Then again, it might be a bit scary, too):
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Unbelievable. DeSoto has outgained Allen in rushing alone 114 to 1. (El, Texas and DPaul, I needn't remind you that ET had a LOT more rushing yardage at this point last Monday. And Allen's band is "cranking it up" with each DeSoto snap count, according to the announcers.)
Friggin' amazing. I know that's Texas football but: A) we held you guys scoreless until just under :30 in the first half, B) you guys led the #1 ranked in Texas DeSoto Eagles from 2 minutes left in the game until :06 when they won it by a TD, and C) now this weird number from Allen. DeSoto just scores to go up 14-10, with 5:25 in the first half (too much time to give Allen).
42-35 Allen
Quote from: ramseyhog on December 14, 2013, 05:26:11 pm
42-35 Allen
Go ahead TD with 11 seconds left in 4th.
I would say DeSoto dominated the Allen. More yards, 10 more 1st downs. The refs dominated DeSoto. 15 penalties for whatever yards. Honestly some really bogus calls made. Several calls in a row made late in the 4th putting them at 2nd and 36 deep in their own territory. Honestly I do not like either team, but I found myself rooting for DeSoto. DeSoto was clearly in command of the game. Allen was losing 35-20 with just over 6 minutes in the 4th.
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Allen, I am sure will be the favorites and pre-season #1 next season. I really do not know about Trinity. Definitely a top 10 to start. Trinity loses a lot, but as el said, several solid pieces left over to build on. Also, you know the old saying, "We don't rebuild, we reload.". A lot of the positions lost will be filled with guys who saw a lot of PT this season. Trinity is usually a pretty deep team anyway. There are always gonna be players that can come in and fill the gaps. I believe they will be better off to start the season next year than they were this year.
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
I got nothin on the sub-varsity levels. Zero clue what's happening at QB, WR, or DB.
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
There is an 8th grader this school year at Harwood I have heard a lot of really good things about. TH III. Doubt Coach L would start a freshman on Varsity at the QB position. Outside of that, no idea. I'm sure the starting JV QBs will battle for the top Varsity spot.
Quote from: Texas on December 15, 2013, 08:33:47 am
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
There is an 8th grader this school year at Harwood I have heard a lot of really good things about. TH III. Doubt Coach L would start a freshman on Varsity at the QB position. Outside of that, no idea. I'm sure the starting JV QBs will battle for the top Varsity spot.
That won't happen. Only one I've heard about is the coach's son (Tryon) who was the JV QB and wore #13 on Varsity this year.
Elswagado, Texas and DPaul, any idea when you'll know Trinity's 2014 schedule? (Hope there's a return date on there from a certain favorite team of mine to be played down in the Great State, regardless of the outcome. 8) )
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 15, 2013, 02:19:55 pm
Elswagado, Texas and DPaul, any idea when you'll know Trinity's 2014 schedule? (Hope there's a return date on there from a certain favorite team of mine to be played down in the Great State, regardless of the outcome. 8) )
With the new 6A re-alignment, districts will be announced in February. So right now we don't even know what our district games will look like. Allen has already announced an OOS pre-district game but I would think Lineweaver might wait until he knows what district we're in before he announces any pre-district affairs.
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:03:19 pm
Quote from: Texas on December 15, 2013, 08:33:47 am
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
There is an 8th grader this school year at Harwood I have heard a lot of really good things about. TH III. Doubt Coach L would start a freshman on Varsity at the QB position. Outside of that, no idea. I'm sure the starting JV QBs will battle for the top Varsity spot.
That won't happen. Only one I've heard about is the coach's son (Tryon) who was the JV QB and wore #13 on Varsity this year.
Tyron has a son at Trinity and a son at Mansfield Timberview too? Weird.
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:03:19 pm
Quote from: Texas on December 15, 2013, 08:33:47 am
Quote from: DPaul on December 15, 2013, 02:26:21 am
Quote from: Razorback Red on December 13, 2013, 10:18:36 pm
Thanks Texas. You guys have been classy all year.
I think both our teams got better throughout the year, and have a lot to be proud of.
Bville will be the heavy favorite in AR next year. Where do you see Trinity starting out in TX?
Maybe top 10 to start based on the deep playoff run. Like Texas said Allen should probably be numero uno even though I hear they lose ALOT on defense. Being #1 is predicated on them beating Pearland though. ET's skilled positions wont be an issue, instead there will be an unknown at QB. The QB position will be the biggest mystery ET has seen in the last decade. Am I wrong Texas and EL?
There is an 8th grader this school year at Harwood I have heard a lot of really good things about. TH III. Doubt Coach L would start a freshman on Varsity at the QB position. Outside of that, no idea. I'm sure the starting JV QBs will battle for the top Varsity spot.
That won't happen. Only one I've heard about is the coach's son (Tryon) who was the JV QB and wore #13 on Varsity this year.
Believe it or not, that has happened in the past. Freshman starters that is. Prinze Kande and Eyron Barnett are the two I can think of. Way back in 2005. But you are right. No way at the QB position.
DFW Area Head coaches meet together at BFAAC each February on realignment day, to see the new district unveiled. They do so, because it is then the perfect opportunity to set non-district schedules. I am not sure if they will be part of a "classic" somewhere or not. A lot of times that is how they get at least one game, as they are invited to come play a team (sometimes to be determined at a later time). Anyway, after realignment day, the schedule will fall into place quickly.
Have Lunney call Lineweaver. Let's do this.
Quote from: Texas on December 15, 2013, 04:40:11 pm
DFW Area Head coaches meet together at BFAAC each February on realignment day, to see the new district unveiled. They do so, because it is then the perfect opportunity to set non-district schedules. I am not sure if they will be part of a "classic" somewhere or not. A lot of times that is how they get at least one game, as they are invited to come play a team (sometimes to be determined at a later time). Anyway, after realignment day, the schedule will fall into place quickly.
Have Lunney call Lineweaver. Let's do this.
This is true as all the area coaches avoid Lineweaver like hope he doesnt ask us to play them..lol..
(BFAAC = Birdville Fine Arts Athletic Complex)
A few interesting notes...
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Louis DeLuca/Staff Photographer
A record crowd attends the Allen High School Eagles vs. the Pearland High School Oilers Class 5A Division I football state championship game at AT&T Stadium in Arlington on Saturday, December 21, 2013. (Louis DeLuca/Dallas Morning News)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/headlines/20131221-crowded-house-more-than-220000-watch-3-days-of-high-school-football-at-att-stadium1.ece
Attendance at each Texas HS State Final game. All games were held at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.
Six Man DI – 6,842
Six Man DII – 4,875
1A DI - 7,614
1A DII - 9,413
2A DI - 14,953
2A DII - 11,128
3A DI - 17,641
3A DII - 22,071
4A DI - 20,142
4A DII - 33,745
5A DI - 54,347
5A DII - 30,285
Quote from: Texas on December 22, 2013, 11:41:18 pm
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/headlines/20131221-crowded-house-more-than-220000-watch-3-days-of-high-school-football-at-att-stadium1.ece
Attendance at each Texas HS State Final game. All games were held at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.
Six Man DI – 6,842
Six Man DII – 4,875
1A DI - 7,614
1A DII - 9,413
2A DI - 14,953
2A DII - 11,128
3A DI - 17,641
3A DII - 22,071
4A DI - 20,142
4A DII - 33,745
5A DI - 54,347
5A DII - 30,285
Grand Total of all Finals games in all classifications was 233,056. Average per game was 19,421.
vs. Florida
Florida HS Football @FlaHSFootball
ATTENDANCE FOR STATE FINALS (In order most to least)
8A - 9,979
7A - 4,476
6A - 4,001
1A - 3,103
5A - 2,873
4A - 2,199
3A - 1,982
2A - 841
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/12/how-attendance-at-texas-high-school-state-championships-stack-up-against-college-bowl-games.html/
Attendance for Texas high school football compares favorably to college bowl games, as proven last year.
The Class 5A Division I state championship between Allen and Pearland on Saturday drew 54,347 fans to AT&T Stadium, setting a new state attendance record.
I'll continue to update this list throughout bowl season, but here's an early look at how the Texas state championships stack up against college bowl games:
1. R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl: 54,728
2. Texas Class 5A Division I state championship: 54,347
3. Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl: 42,178
4. Texas Class 4A Division II state championship: 33,745
5. Texas Class 5A Division II state championship: 30,285
6. Gildan New Mexico Bowl: 27,104
7. Texas Class 3A Division II state championship: 22,071
8. Famous Idaho Potato Bowl: 21,951
9. Texas Class 4A Division I state championship: 20,142
10. California Open Division state championship: 16,791
11. Florida Class 8A state championship: 9,979
Oklahoma 6A Title game (Jenks vs. Union): 12,648
Arkansas HS FOOTBALL State Title games:
7A: 4,232
6A: 7,916
5A: 5,661
Elswagado, Texas, DPaul, we couldn't wait. We're playing a Texas team again. (Tonight, in basketball. ;) Bennie's playing GHA team Fort Bend Bush at the Neosho, MO Holiday Classic.)
BTW, here's a clip of the young man who if all goes well will graduate in the same class as the QB who started against you, winning the dunk contest last night at that event. (http://instagram.com/p/icz-f9NysH/) I get a kick out of the young man in the front, er, guarding himself ostensibly from an errant shoe. The guy in the back probably needed to guard his own head.
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 28, 2013, 11:06:05 am
Elswagado, Texas, DPaul, we couldn't wait. We're playing a Texas team again. (Tonight, in basketball. ;) Bennie's playing GHA team Fort Bend Bush at the Neosho, MO Holiday Classic.)
BTW, here's a clip of the young man who if all goes well will graduate in the same class as the QB who started against you, winning the dunk contest last night at that event. (http://instagram.com/p/icz-f9NysH/) I get a kick out of the young man in the front, er, guarding himself ostensibly from an errant shoe. The guy in the back probably needed to guard his own head.
...and in what may be one of if not the final boy's contests for Bentonville High this calendar year, BHS finally beats a ranked (#7 in Texas, #33 nationally) big-school Texas team that's been a state champion (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/fort-bend-bush-broncos-%28richmond,tx%29/basketball/schedule.htm) (2010) in the past decade, winning by 4 points to take 3rd place at the tournament. FBB was also the top Greater Houston Area team preseason according to the
Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/High-school-boys-basketball-preview-4971224.php). So this year Bennie lost respectfully (if that's the proper term) to the top D/FW area team (and #2 in Texas at season's end) from 2010 and beat the top GHA (and state, that year) team from 2010. Progress, even if the sand is running low in the BHS pre-split hourglass...
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 28, 2013, 04:13:28 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 28, 2013, 11:06:05 am
Elswagado, Texas, DPaul, we couldn't wait. We're playing a Texas team again. (Tonight, in basketball. ;) Bennie's playing GHA team Fort Bend Bush at the Neosho, MO Holiday Classic.)
BTW, here's a clip of the young man who if all goes well will graduate in the same class as the QB who started against you, winning the dunk contest last night at that event. (http://instagram.com/p/icz-f9NysH/) I get a kick out of the young man in the front, er, guarding himself ostensibly from an errant shoe. The guy in the back probably needed to guard his own head.
...and in what may be one of if not the final boy's contests for Bentonville High this calendar year, BHS finally beats a ranked (#7 in Texas, #33 nationally) big-school Texas team that's been a state champion (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/fort-bend-bush-broncos-%28richmond,tx%29/basketball/schedule.htm) (2010) in the past decade, winning by 4 points to take 3rd place at the tournament. FBB was also the top Greater Houston Area team preseason according to the Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/High-school-boys-basketball-preview-4971224.php). So this year Bennie lost respectfully (if that's the proper term) to the top D/FW area team (and #2 in Texas at season's end) from 2010 and beat the top GHA (and state, that year) team from 2010. Progress, even if the sand is running low in the BHS pre-split hourglass...
Wow! Well the Tigers must be pretty good at basketball if they can beat Bush. Bush is a powerhouse Texas team that is in the mix for a state title every season. Very impressive and congratulations.
Quote from: Texas on December 28, 2013, 11:07:12 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 28, 2013, 04:13:28 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on December 28, 2013, 11:06:05 am
Elswagado, Texas, DPaul, we couldn't wait. We're playing a Texas team again. (Tonight, in basketball. ;) Bennie's playing GHA team Fort Bend Bush at the Neosho, MO Holiday Classic.)
BTW, here's a clip of the young man who if all goes well will graduate in the same class as the QB who started against you, winning the dunk contest last night at that event. (http://instagram.com/p/icz-f9NysH/) I get a kick out of the young man in the front, er, guarding himself ostensibly from an errant shoe. The guy in the back probably needed to guard his own head.
...and in what may be one of if not the final boy's contests for Bentonville High this calendar year, BHS finally beats a ranked (#7 in Texas, #33 nationally) big-school Texas team that's been a state champion (http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/fort-bend-bush-broncos-%28richmond,tx%29/basketball/schedule.htm) (2010) in the past decade, winning by 4 points to take 3rd place at the tournament. FBB was also the top Greater Houston Area team preseason according to the Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/High-school-boys-basketball-preview-4971224.php). So this year Bennie lost respectfully (if that's the proper term) to the top D/FW area team (and #2 in Texas at season's end) from 2010 and beat the top GHA (and state, that year) team from 2010. Progress, even if the sand is running low in the BHS pre-split hourglass...
Wow! Well the Tigers must be pretty good at basketball if they can beat Bush. Bush is a powerhouse Texas team that is in the mix for a state title every season. Very impressive and congratulations.
Thanks, Texas! (BTW, last night Kentucky beat defending basketball nc Louisville at Rupp Arena, and a big reason why were top performances by the Harrison twins (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/harrison-twins-18-kentucky-upset-6-louisville-article-1.1560446) (with Aaron ranked as the #1 shooting guard in the nation, and Andrew ranked as the #1 point guard coming out of high school in 2013...had that ever happened before with twins who led their team to the state championship game also the year before and made state runners-up?) who this year led Fort Bend Travis to the Texas 5A state championship, with Andrew (?) making first team Parade all-American. Travis lost 5 times the 2012-2013 season, and to only one Texas team: Fort Bend Bush, which beat Travis not just once (at a GHA tournament), and not just twice (in their first district meeting) but THREE TIMES (also in their second district meeting) before Travis finally beat FBB in the Texas 5A quarterfinals.)
That being said, the young man Malik Monk in the dunk video I posted a few posts ago is the reason Bennie's so good...he's right now the #8 recruit in the class of 2016 according to ESPN, and the #1 guard in that class, shooting (his position) or point. Monk is also letting a fellow Sophomore Tyrik Dixon, also a guard, shine. The two combined for 53 points against the tourney champ Sagemont-Weston, FL in the second round game (Sagemont has multiple DI recruits).
One final note from me on this thread. If he finishes at Bentonville, Monk and Dixon will graduate in '16 alongside the QB who had to get his first start against you guys. Kasey Ford was named the top sophomore in the area today in the newspapers annual post-season awards. (I think he shared the title with a receiver/returner from Rogers Heritage.) Get this, Texas...Bennie's coach Lunney said he first saw what Ford could do when he threw him into action during a summer camp against the team from...Jenks, OK High School! (I guess the Dallas Cowboys or Kansas City Chiefs weren't available then.)
DANG...talk about a sophomore who was always being thrown in the fire (but came out unburnt at the end). BTW, wouldn't be surprised to see young Mr. Ford end up in the Big XII if he keeps improving.
Good stuff Oporaque but FB Bush is GHA and they don't do nothing well down there.....jus kiddin. :P
Sounds like Bennie can ball on the hardwood too. Big time program.
Thank you, DPaul.
Believe me, it's not been this way for long. I remember briefly hearing about the Harrison twins (and thinking "Dang, Rick Barnes/(fill in your favorite Texas college coach) lost two more" - I want a men's NCAA bball championship in Texas some day) but I didn't know they were both near-consensus top 5, likely-one-then-done-to-the-NBA players in the high school class of 2013. And just a couple of years ago, Bennie wouldn't likely have had a chance at beating a team that beat the Harrisons and their Texas 5A champion team 3 out of four times the previous school year. (http://www.csnhouston.com/high-school/talk/travis-tops-bush-earn-berth-state-tournament) (Granted, Bush lost their top two players from 2012-2013, but I was at that FBB/Bennie game Saturday and those guys were tough-looking.)
Basketball, politely, hasn't been Bentonville's strong suit on the boy's side until the past couple of seasons.
I don't know if you want a NCAA Title anymore than I do at UT. With what's going on with the Cowboys and in football and basketball in Austin lately Trinity has been my only saving grace.
Footnote to 2013 season. Euless Trinity was the only D/FW 5A school to have two rushers in the area 5A "Top 20" (your man Ellsworth at #4, with Wilson at #11, so they were almost both in the "Top 10") at season's end. One of the reasons ya'll finished among the state's very best.
(Three schools did this in D/FW 4A by comparison: 1 was a state champion (Denton Guyer), 1 a 14-1 state semi-final team (Ennis), 1 a third round playoff team (Mansfield Legacy)). BTW, also according to the Dallas Morning News the team total rushing offense was second in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (5,200+ yards) after 4A Birdville (5,500+ yards). ALSO, according to the Houston Chronicle no Houston, San Antonio or Beaumont/Port Arthur area school (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/scoreboard/?mkt=houston&site=default&tpl=Leaders&Sport=1&TeamID=&SchoolID=&Season=2013&DistrictID=-1&SearchDate=01%2F05%2F14&SearchDateEnd=01%2F05%2F14&SearchLastName=&SearchFirstName=&Market=All&SearchType=Leaders) had over 5,000 rushing yards, so odds are high that Trinity may have been the #2 rushing team in the state of Texas last season in cumulative yards, in "big school" if not entire-statewide level). Just food for thought for you guys, El, DPaul and Texas):
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/#stats
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 05, 2014, 01:04:44 pm
Footnote to 2013 season. Euless Trinity was the only D/FW 5A school to have two rushers in the area 5A "Top 20" (your man Ellsworth at #4, with Wilson at #11, so they were almost both in the "Top 10") at season's end. One of the reasons ya'll finished among the state's very best.
(Three schools did this in D/FW 4A by comparison: 1 was a state champion (Denton Guyer), 1 a 14-1 state semi-final team (Ennis), 1 a third round playoff team (Mansfield Legacy)). BTW, also according to the Dallas Morning News the team total rushing offense was second in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (5,200+ yards) after 4A Birdville (5,500+ yards). ALSO, according to the Houston Chronicle no Houston, San Antonio or Beaumont/Port Arthur area school (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/scoreboard/?mkt=houston&site=default&tpl=Leaders&Sport=1&TeamID=&SchoolID=&Season=2013&DistrictID=-1&SearchDate=01%2F05%2F14&SearchDateEnd=01%2F05%2F14&SearchLastName=&SearchFirstName=&Market=All&SearchType=Leaders) had over 5,000 rushing yards, so odds are high that Trinity may have been the #2 rushing team in the state of Texas last season in cumulative yards, in "big school" if not entire-statewide level). Just food for thought for you guys, El, DPaul and Texas):
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/#stats
Yep. No fair. Birdville has a ringer. Xavier. Turner had almost 3,000 yards by himself. He's a big time recruit. Usually (seriously) Trinity leads the entire state over all classifications in rushing. They'll try to do better next season. ;)
Texas, elswagado and DPaul, some would say slightly sad, I'd say "interesting" (as my son attends OBU) footnote to your Shiloh Christian game. The QB for Shiloh against you, Kiehl Frazier, is transferring from Auburn and looks likely to end up up the road from D/FW at Ouachita Baptist University (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/01/kiehl_frazier_leaves_auburn_se.html), an NCAA DII school. OBU is in the midst of a stadium rebuilding campaign (http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=133685.0) (boy, do they need one, even though the school's a truly beautiful campus). Across the street, Frazier's (potential) rival Henderson State has a kid who (if he finishes out his eligibility in grad school there) (http://www.hsusports.com/news/2013/12/21/FB_1221130303.aspx?path=football) may become one of the all-time great players in NCAA DII history.
They say the Shiloh QB (graduated the same year from HS as my son did at Bennie) is a class kid. Hopefully his final year of eligibility will be a very fulfilling one. (BTW, Frazier has a redshirt year available. If he takes it, he'd finish in 2015 going up against this kid from Bennie (http://www.hsusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=796&path=football), who had he completed literally a couple more passes (he was always being removed by the third quarter because Bentonville was so far ahead) would have finished #2 nationally in high school passing accuracy behind Tim Couch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Couch). HSU/OBU is one of college football's oldest rivalries, and their stadiums are literally in view of each other by not a far distance at all. A Frazier/Hardison matchup would be one for the ages if both were playing at full speed.)
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 11, 2014, 02:03:30 pm
Texas, elswagado and DPaul, some would say slightly sad, I'd say "interesting" (as my son attends OBU) footnote to your Shiloh Christian game. The QB for Shiloh against you, Kiehl Frazier, is transferring from Auburn and looks likely to end up up the road from D/FW at Ouachita Baptist University (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/01/kiehl_frazier_leaves_auburn_se.html), an NCAA DII school. OBU is in the midst of a stadium rebuilding campaign (http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=133685.0) (boy, do they need one, even though the school's a truly beautiful campus). Across the street, Frazier's (potential) rival Henderson State has a kid who (if he finishes out his eligibility in grad school there) (http://www.hsusports.com/news/2013/12/21/FB_1221130303.aspx?path=football) may become one of the all-time great players in NCAA DII history.
They say the Shiloh QB (graduated the same year from HS as my son did at Bennie) is a class kid. Hopefully his final year of eligibility will be a very fulfilling one. (BTW, Frazier has a redshirt year available. If he takes it, he'd finish in 2015 going up against this kid from Bennie (http://www.hsusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=796&path=football), who had he completed literally a couple more passes (he was always being removed by the third quarter because Bentonville was so far ahead) would have finished #2 nationally in high school passing accuracy behind Tim Couch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Couch). HSU/OBU is one of college football's oldest rivalries, and their stadiums are literally in view of each other by not a far distance at all. A Frazier/Hardison matchup would be one for the ages if both were playing at full speed.)
Oh yeah. OBU is in Arkadelphia, right? I used to drive through there (on I-30) frequently.
BTW, I am usually in Arkansas (Fort Smith, Booneville, Texarkana) at least once or twice a week for work. Didn't actually go this week, but that is unusual.
Quote from: Texas on January 11, 2014, 09:49:24 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 11, 2014, 02:03:30 pm
Texas, elswagado and DPaul, some would say slightly sad, I'd say "interesting" (as my son attends OBU) footnote to your Shiloh Christian game. The QB for Shiloh against you, Kiehl Frazier, is transferring from Auburn and looks likely to end up up the road from D/FW at Ouachita Baptist University (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/01/kiehl_frazier_leaves_auburn_se.html), an NCAA DII school. OBU is in the midst of a stadium rebuilding campaign (http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=133685.0) (boy, do they need one, even though the school's a truly beautiful campus). Across the street, Frazier's (potential) rival Henderson State has a kid who (if he finishes out his eligibility in grad school there) (http://www.hsusports.com/news/2013/12/21/FB_1221130303.aspx?path=football) may become one of the all-time great players in NCAA DII history.
They say the Shiloh QB (graduated the same year from HS as my son did at Bennie) is a class kid. Hopefully his final year of eligibility will be a very fulfilling one. (BTW, Frazier has a redshirt year available. If he takes it, he'd finish in 2015 going up against this kid from Bennie (http://www.hsusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=796&path=football), who had he completed literally a couple more passes (he was always being removed by the third quarter because Bentonville was so far ahead) would have finished #2 nationally in high school passing accuracy behind Tim Couch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Couch). HSU/OBU is one of college football's oldest rivalries, and their stadiums are literally in view of each other by not a far distance at all. A Frazier/Hardison matchup would be one for the ages if both were playing at full speed.)
Oh yeah. OBU is in Arkadelphia, right? I used to drive through there (on I-30) frequently.
BTW, I am usually in Arkansas (Fort Smith, Booneville, Texarkana) at least once or twice a week for work. Didn't actually go this week, but that is unusual.
Fort Smith....ahh, God's country....no need to any travel any farther north than our fair city...all that is north or us is hillbillies or yankee transplants....
Take this from a guy that lived in North Richland Hills for 13 years....
Plus, the food is better in Fort Smith...
Very surprised Frazier couldn't/didn't win the job at Auburn.
Unfortunately I have to drive the back roads of Southeast OK to get to or from Fort Smith a lot of times.
Frazier is an example of these kids that overrate themselves and pick the wrong school to go to. If he had gone to a school like Tulsa, Houston, ULaLa or Sam Houston, he would have probably been given the opportunity to play.
Quote from: elswagado on January 12, 2014, 09:48:09 am
Very surprised Frazier couldn't/didn't win the job at Auburn.
He is also an example of a kid that is told he is the best from a young age, chooses to go to a small private school where he is head and shoulders above his competition (unless playing Euless Trinity lol). So he has a pretty easy time in HS and never really has a challenge. It is no wonder to me why he could not meet the challenge of guys competing with him for a starting job as an SEC QB. He just wasn't prepared for it.
Texas (and elswagado) fully understand what you're saying.
Perhaps there's another component to it as well. Ouachita Baptist is a wonderful school...my Mom, when I took her to visit my son there, told me she thought it was the most beautiful campus she'd ever seen. People are saying that Frazier was a good kid, and he did attend a Christian high school. Maybe he felt spiritually this was the best place to end up. I'm not deluding myself...he couldn't cut it as an SEC quarterback at Auburn.
But...Bobby Petrino just ended up back at Louisville, and I've never seen a sports media say how bad a man is yet (possibly) right for his times. Here's what one sportswriter wrote (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-09/bobby-petrino-is-the-modern-knute-rockne.html):
QuoteMaybe, for all of his lying and cheating, Petrino is actually the Knute Rockne of the modern era. Maybe the message he is sending to young football players is exactly the one they need to hear: Boys, this game is going to chew you up and spit you out, so grab what you can while you can.
College athletes will likely always get into some kind of trouble. But Jameis Winston winning the Heisman gave me an uneasy feeling. He clearly had sex with "that woman" (to use a Bill Clinton phrase) apparently barely out of view of his teammates. He may not have raped her. (I HOPE not.) Yet there was a time when just the charges (and his admission of having sex with a coed (quaint term)) would have eliminated him from Heisman consideration. Yet we're in an age of
the most lawless president and administration this nation has ever seen. Such disregard for things good is going to be reflected in the culture, too, of which sports is inextricably linked. Not singling out Mr. Winston...Kiehl Frazier intended to follow at Auburn Cam Newton, who was surrounded by controversy himself.
Maybe young Mr. Frazier has different or just additional reasons for getting out of D I athletics entirely (not that there aren't problems in D II or other levels). He'll finish up at a very good place if he goes to OBU; I shouldn't have used the word "sad" above. For him, maybe it will be joyous.
You may be on to something there. Making a choice like OBU pretty much eliminates any possibility of getting back to DI or the NFL draft. It's nice if he is making that choice for his life as opposed to just his athletic career.
Quote from: Texas on January 12, 2014, 09:50:20 am
Unfortunately I have to drive the back roads of Southeast OK to get to or from Fort Smith a lot of times.
Let me guess.....Hwy 69 to McAlester...Hwy 31 to Poteau...and then the backroads through Pocola to Fort Smith..??
Quote from: Baitshop on January 12, 2014, 01:20:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on January 12, 2014, 09:50:20 am
Unfortunately I have to drive the back roads of Southeast OK to get to or from Fort Smith a lot of times.
Let me guess.....Hwy 69 to McAlester...Hwy 31 to Poteau...and then the backroads through Pocola to Fort Smith..??
Baitshop, many Texans I know take I-35 from D/FW to the Daingerfield U.S. 59 turnoff, then straight up past DeKalb, over the Red River, Idabel, Broken Bow and on past "3 sticks", the little JFK Memorial park and then to Heavener and Poteau. Seems like the Broken Bow area is a weekend playground for many Metroplexers, being two counties away from that area's eastern border.
My poor wife had her van's transmission fixed at Springdale, then (this July 3rd) broke down south of the McCurtain/LeFlore County line on that highway. Took forever to get a tow truck there. It's astounding how many miles one can drive on that highway and see nothing but trees (except where they've been clear-cut) and hills, BIG hills in the case of the Talimena Scenic Drive Exit area.
Quote from: Baitshop on January 12, 2014, 01:20:59 pm
Quote from: Texas on January 12, 2014, 09:50:20 am
Unfortunately I have to drive the back roads of Southeast OK to get to or from Fort Smith a lot of times.
Let me guess.....Hwy 69 to McAlester...Hwy 31 to Poteau...and then the backroads through Pocola to Fort Smith..??
Of course 69. From McAlester, one can either take OK 31 to US 271 or US 270 to US 271. I usually take 31. But that is not the route that goes through Poteau. It's 270 that goes through Poteau. Either way, they both suck.
I much prefer taking US 64 to I-40 to US 69. When I am picking up from the north side of town, no problem. From the south side and east of I-540, it is not worth driving thru town to get back to 40.
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 12, 2014, 03:19:23 pm
Baitshop, many Texans I know take I-35 from D/FW to the Daingerfield U.S. 59 turnoff, then straight up past DeKalb, over the Red River, Idabel, Broken Bow and on past "3 sticks", the little JFK Memorial park and then to Heavener and Poteau. Seems like the Broken Bow area is a weekend playground for many Metroplexers, being two counties away from that area's eastern border.
My poor wife had her van's transmission fixed at Springdale, then (this July 3rd) broke down south of the McCurtain/LeFlore County line on that highway. Took forever to get a tow truck there. It's astounding how many miles one can drive on that highway and see nothing but trees (except where they've been clear-cut) and hills, BIG hills in the case of the Talimena Scenic Drive Exit area.
Occasionally I take that route if I have to pick up and empty trailer from East Texas. I cannot conceive of a reason I would chose to go that way. It adds a long time to my trip vs. leaving from north FW. It actually take a lot longer from say Mt Vernon to Ft. Smith even though it is a much less distance. US 59. It is because of the mountains. Twisting turning roads. Steep mountains. Often foggy. Very treacherous and slow going for a semi truck and 53' trailer.
Apparently Don Bosco (NJ) turned down,an offer to play Euless Trinity in Texas because they didn't want to play NCAA rules.
Now there is talk of Miami Central coming to Texas to play Trinity.
Quote from: Texas on January 28, 2014, 11:52:16 pm
Apparently Don Bosco (NJ) turned down,an offer to play Euless Trinity in Texas because they didn't want to play NCAA rules.
Now there is talk of Miami Central coming to Texas to play Trinity.
Man, happened to you guys, too? >:( (Your team vs. a tough Miami team would be a fascinating matchup.)
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 29, 2014, 11:23:09 am
Quote from: Texas on January 28, 2014, 11:52:16 pm
Apparently Don Bosco (NJ) turned down,an offer to play Euless Trinity in Texas because they didn't want to play NCAA rules.
Now there is talk of Miami Central coming to Texas to play Trinity.
Man, happened to you guys, too? >:( (Your team vs. a tough Miami team would be a fascinating matchup.)
I would've paid a nice sum to see Allen vs Miami BTW last year. (They had a common opponent in back-to-back weeks in 2012, Cedar Hill, who Allen handled much more easily).
Quote from: OPoraquê on January 29, 2014, 11:23:09 am
Quote from: Texas on January 28, 2014, 11:52:16 pm
Apparently Don Bosco (NJ) turned down,an offer to play Euless Trinity in Texas because they didn't want to play NCAA rules.
Now there is talk of Miami Central coming to Texas to play Trinity.
Man, happened to you guys, too? >:( (Your team vs. a tough Miami team would be a fascinating matchup.)
Yeah. Not sure what is up with DBP. They made their name by taking on a lot of the best national elite teams from different states, but has suddenly decided to turn down whatever offers they get. They lead on that they want to play, but then back down.
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 01, 2014, 03:24:51 pm
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Very impressive! Malik is a highlight reel player for sure. You already know what I think of Ford. Funny, the only team in his Hudl video giving him pressure was Trinity. Every other team was like he just stood there and picked his receiver out and threw the ball. Anyway, Ford has a bright future.
Holy @&$!
UIL realignment just came down. Trinity now in a district with SLC and Coppell. Wow!
Quote from: Texas on February 03, 2014, 12:05:27 pm
Holy @&$!
UIL realignment just came down. Trinity now in a district with SLC and Coppell. Wow!
...and you all still get to have your friends from Colleyville in the same (all-Tarrant?) district, no?
(Tempted to call them the "Cops" and the "Collies", but some would think with the latter I'm referring to aTm aggies. :) )
Saw where Andrews (SW of Lubbock but still in the panhandle) gets to travel to all El Paso county schools in their new district. I'll bet some school admins at THAT town have hair that looks like they put their finger in an electrical socket about now over that proposed move...
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 03, 2014, 12:13:14 pm
Quote from: Texas on February 03, 2014, 12:05:27 pm
Holy @&$!
UIL realignment just came down. Trinity now in a district with SLC and Coppell. Wow!
...and you all still get to have your friends from Colleyville in the same (all-Tarrant?) district, no?
(Tempted to call them the "Cops" and the "Collies", but some would think with the latter I'm referring to aTm aggies. :) )
Saw where Andrews (SW of Lubbock but still in the panhandle) gets to travel to all El Paso county schools in their new district. I'll bet some school admins at THAT town have hair that looks like they put their finger in an electrical socket about now over that proposed move...
Almost All-Tarrant. Coppell is in Dallas County.
A seven team district, so Trinity needs four non-district games. They have two so far. One with Galena Park North Shore in week four. Negotiations with Katy feel apart. Katy also declined to play DeSoto.
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 01, 2014, 03:24:51 pm
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Hard to believe Ford is only 15. That kid is special. Stands tall in the pocket and lets it rip albeit mostly a clean pocket. That o-line is very good. But the poise he shows for being so young is really somethin.
Quote from: DPaul on February 08, 2014, 07:59:40 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 01, 2014, 03:24:51 pm
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Hard to believe Ford is only 15. That kid is special. Stands tall in the pocket and lets it rip albeit mostly a clean pocket. That o-line is very good. But the poise he shows for being so young is really somethin.
Thanks, DPaul!
BTW, say, as expected you had a lot of kids sign last week. But it was interesting to see your man RB Ellsworth sign with, what, Dartmouth? (Can't remember but it was a school on that order.) The young man sure was talented on your playing field, but must have a LOT going for him to get into the school he signed with. Best to him in life.
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 12, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Quote from: DPaul on February 08, 2014, 07:59:40 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 01, 2014, 03:24:51 pm
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Hard to believe Ford is only 15. That kid is special. Stands tall in the pocket and lets it rip albeit mostly a clean pocket. That o-line is very good. But the poise he shows for being so young is really somethin.
Thanks, DPaul!
BTW, say, as expected you had a lot of kids sign last week. But it was interesting to see your man RB Ellsworth sign with, what, Dartmouth? (Can't remember but it was a school on that order.) The young man sure was talented on your playing field, but must have a LOT going for him to get into the school he signed with. Best to him in life.
It was with Georgetown. Here's a small link...Isaac Ellsworth signs (http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/02/euless-trinitys-147-pound-rb-isaac-ellsworths-georgetown-signing-biggest-surprise-for-this-class-coach-lineweaver-says.html/)
Quote from: DPaul on February 12, 2014, 12:49:43 pm
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 12, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Quote from: DPaul on February 08, 2014, 07:59:40 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 01, 2014, 03:24:51 pm
Texas, elswagado, dp...we made ESPN this morning with one 15 year old (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbY_HvgGU&feature=youtube_gdata_player), after having played you guys tough (mostly) with another 15 year old who put together an incredible highlight reel (http://www.hudl.com/athlete/472056/highlights/115991376?autoplay=1) (which, curiously, omitted the three oskies he pitched against Trinity ;) . I only hope BHS can keep getting some great Texas teams to play in either sport before this ends (as these things always do).
Hard to believe Ford is only 15. That kid is special. Stands tall in the pocket and lets it rip albeit mostly a clean pocket. That o-line is very good. But the poise he shows for being so young is really somethin.
Thanks, DPaul!
BTW, say, as expected you had a lot of kids sign last week. But it was interesting to see your man RB Ellsworth sign with, what, Dartmouth? (Can't remember but it was a school on that order.) The young man sure was talented on your playing field, but must have a LOT going for him to get into the school he signed with. Best to him in life.
It was with Georgetown. Here's a small link...Isaac Ellsworth signs (http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/02/euless-trinitys-147-pound-rb-isaac-ellsworths-georgetown-signing-biggest-surprise-for-this-class-coach-lineweaver-says.html/)
Yep. He will be there with Jo'el Kimpella who was Trinity's 2,000+ yard RB in 2011 (class of 2012). I think there may be one or two others from Trinity there as well. Trinity players have a habit of following each other to particular schools. There are four at Montana State.
With Bergen Catholic coming to play Bennie this fall, I'm just curious what the vibe is like up there in Bentonville. Are Tiger fans more excited about BC coming or were they more excited about Euless Trinity coming last fall?.....thoughts from the locals?
DPaul, thanks for correcting me. Sorry I got the school wrong.
Texas. Excellent, and Kimpela is one of those Congolese (Congo DRC) players I was asking about that Trinity has...seems like there's a fair DR Congo community there. (Our business supports evangelical Christian ministries in that nation and in Brazil as well.) Also, Georgetown alum Dikembe Mutombo was DR Congolese.
DPaul again, I don't know...I won't knock Bergen Catholic, but I sure wish we were playing you guys again, even if at your place (only fair). :(
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 15, 2014, 09:34:35 pm
DPaul, thanks for correcting me. Sorry I got the school wrong.
Texas. Excellent, and Kimpela is one of those Congolese (Congo DRC) players I was asking about that Trinity has...seems like there's a fair DR Congo community there. (Our business supports evangelical Christian ministries in that nation and in Brazil as well.) Also, Georgetown alum Dikembe Mutombo was DR Congolese.
DPaul again, I don't know...I won't knock Bergen Catholic, but I sure wish we were playing you guys again, even if at your place (only fair). :(
You and coach Lineweaver both. Filling out the non district schedule has become nightmarish from what I hear.
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 15, 2014, 09:34:35 pm
DPaul, thanks for correcting me. Sorry I got the school wrong.
Texas. Excellent, and Kimpela is one of those Congolese (Congo DRC) players I was asking about that Trinity has...seems like there's a fair DR Congo community there. (Our business supports evangelical Christian ministries in that nation and in Brazil as well.) Also, Georgetown alum Dikembe Mutombo was DR Congolese.
DPaul again, I don't know...I won't knock Bergen Catholic, but I sure wish we were playing you guys again, even if at your place (only fair). :(
From what I heard, a call was made to Coach Lunney. The answer was no. I do not have the details. Jenks also said no.
Quote from: Texas on February 16, 2014, 12:57:49 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 15, 2014, 09:34:35 pm
DPaul, thanks for correcting me. Sorry I got the school wrong.
Texas. Excellent, and Kimpela is one of those Congolese (Congo DRC) players I was asking about that Trinity has...seems like there's a fair DR Congo community there. (Our business supports evangelical Christian ministries in that nation and in Brazil as well.) Also, Georgetown alum Dikembe Mutombo was DR Congolese.
DPaul again, I don't know...I won't knock Bergen Catholic, but I sure wish we were playing you guys again, even if at your place (only fair). :(
From what I heard, a call was made to Coach Lunney. The answer was no. I do not have the details. Jenks also said no.
That's what I heard too but didn't want to mention it here....such good folks. ;D
Quote from: DPaul on February 16, 2014, 10:01:57 am
Quote from: Texas on February 16, 2014, 12:57:49 am
Quote from: OPoraquê on February 15, 2014, 09:34:35 pm
DPaul, thanks for correcting me. Sorry I got the school wrong.
Texas. Excellent, and Kimpela is one of those Congolese (Congo DRC) players I was asking about that Trinity has...seems like there's a fair DR Congo community there. (Our business supports evangelical Christian ministries in that nation and in Brazil as well.) Also, Georgetown alum Dikembe Mutombo was DR Congolese.
DPaul again, I don't know...I won't knock Bergen Catholic, but I sure wish we were playing you guys again, even if at your place (only fair). :(
From what I heard, a call was made to Coach Lunney. The answer was no. I do not have the details. Jenks also said no.
That's what I heard too but didn't want to mention it here....such good folks. ;D
Guys, I can't deny this even though I have no knowledge whatsoever. You both know that there were many of us who very much respected you guys and your team. As said before, I'm not happy there won't be a rematch. I do know that Hercules Sports Management (which arranged last year's ET/Bennie game as well as the South Panola one before that) is somehow involved in all this with Bergen Catholic, so the hitch may partially be there. K.C. Rockhurst and Broken Arrow, OK are both, as in the past two years, on the schedule again this fall so apparently that may have been something long term. (Again, nothing against the Hawklets or the "Oklahoma Tigers" but I'd take you guys over either of them this fall. Guessing others would too, but that's not our call.)
:(
It's all good. We'll just take on small 5A schools here since we can't get any action. This probably shouldn't bother me too much but the difficulty Trinity has filling out a schedule is frustrating to me. I've never seen or heard of a team getting dodged more.
Quote from: DPaul on February 16, 2014, 05:44:14 pm
It's all good. We'll just take on small 5A schools here since we can't get any action. This probably shouldn't bother me too much but the difficulty Trinity has filling out a schedule is frustrating to me. I've never seen or heard of a team getting dodged more.
Same here. I understand why Bennie and Jenks and Bellevue would not want to play us again. Been there done that. Bennie play us close. Jenks and Bellevue won. Nothing more to prove. Now worries.
What I do not understand is why teams in Texas refuse to play us. You would think an elite level team would want a game against another elite level team. It should be about preparing your team for the playoffs. Getting them battle tested. In which case Trinity fits the bill nicely. I would like to think we helped prepare Tyler Lee, John Curtis, Allen, Bingham, Shiloh Christian, Bellevue, Jenks and Bentonville. Those are all the teams Trinity has played in non-district (win or lose) that have gone on to win their states title that season.
I am waiting to see how this all plays out.
elswagado, DPaul, Texas,
Here's an amusing one.
Yesterday, Fort Bend Bush lost in a squeaker 60-58 to the current number one team in Texas (#8 in America according to Maxpreps), Galena Park North Shore. Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly, but it looks like they finished in the Texas 5A "elite eight" (does the Region 1/3 winner play the Region 2/4 one next weekend?) or was it the "final four". Nonetheless, Euless Trinity also finished in the top eight (of the toughest Texas classification and playoff division) last fall, barely losing to Texas #2/America #5 DeSoto which barely lost to Texas #1/America #2 Allen.
So in the 2013-2014 school year, Bennie football lost by 7 to one of the very best football teams in Texas, and beat by 5 points one of the very best basketball teams in Texas, each of which proved it could go toe-to-toe with THE best.
I'd wanted to see a Bennie/top team in Texas matchup, I got to see two of them, each in person. Thanks for the memories, guys.
There are some really good basketball programs here. Most of the elite basketball schools do not have elite football teams. In fact, in many cases the football teams of the elite basketball schools are below average or just plain stink. With that being said, there are some 3A basketball teams that would dominate very good 5A teams. Trinity does not have a good basketball program, just an elite basketball player in Turner.
I would love to see some 4A-3A teams come to Arlington or meet in Texarkana to play over Labor Day weekend.
Quote from: Texas on March 03, 2014, 11:23:51 pm
There are some really good basketball programs here. Most of the elite basketball schools do not have elite football teams. In fact, in many cases the football teams of the elite basketball schools are below average or just plain stink. With that being said, there are some 3A basketball teams that would dominate very good 5A teams. Trinity does not have a good basketball program, just an elite basketball player in Turner.
And the final: Galena Park North Shore 57, Converse Judson 45.
This after GP North Shore beat DeSoto (in the semis, sound familiar?) by 3 points this week, after a back and forth squeaker of a game (FB B led with something like 2-3 minutes to go) against FB Bush.
Again, this 2013-14 school year I was able to see Bennie play not one but
two top Texas 5A teams, football and basketball (and believe me...facing a top Texas 5A team was the LAST thing I wanted to see Bentonville basketball do as recently as a year ago). If it happens again in the final two "pre-split years", cool. If not, happy I got to personally see the Euless Trinity AND Fort Bend Bush games.
Again, thanks for the memories, guys.
It is great for the fans to see out of state teams.