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Title: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 06:34:30 pm
Since most of the game threads last year were lucky to get to a second page, I figured just one big basketball thread would be enough.

This is the first time I've seen Arkansas play this year and Rickey Scott looks like a stud.  I know Seton Hall isn't a great team, but it's still solid Big East opponent, and Scott is getting anything he wants.  He actually looks like what you'd think a big time college basketball guard should look like.  Something Arkansas has been missing the last several years. 

They've got a 26-11 lead on Seton Hall in the first half.  Game is on ESPN2.

I know it's the only half of basketball I've watched Arkansas play this year, but this team already looks better than Arkansas did at just about any point last season. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on December 08, 2010, 06:35:51 pm
I just made one for the game tonight but I'm cool with moving it here.

Shooting "lights out" literally right now.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 06:40:58 pm
My bad.  I just know most of the game threads last year got very little traffic.  Some would barely get whatever the number of posts it took to get over a half page long. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on December 08, 2010, 06:51:29 pm
I understand completely.

Hogs are playing good right now. Up 38-26 at Half.

If they would have shown up in OT against UBA this team would be undefeated with a real good chance of being 7-0 after tonight. I'll take 6-1 though.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 06:53:07 pm
Decent looking half.  Arkansas' guards got sloppy lat e in the half there adn tried to force too much.  Seton Hall hit some threes and got the lead down to 12.  Arkansas still looked pretty good in the first half, though. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 08, 2010, 07:10:51 pm
We can do both.  I like a season thread.

It's nice to play well on a big stage.  We have a good amount of down time overall for finals and when that ends we should have Powell at full strength.

Warning:  This thread will not turn into a bash festival.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 07:28:59 pm
Quote from: B.G. on December 08, 2010, 07:10:51 pm
We can do both.  I like a season thread.

It's nice to play well on a big stage.  We have a good amount of down time overall for finals and when that ends we should have Powell at full strength.

Warning:  This thread will not turn into a bash festival.

Venny still posts here, so at some point he will try and turn it that direction.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 08, 2010, 07:30:56 pm
He is welcome to that opinion.  But it will not control this threads intent. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 08, 2010, 07:34:10 pm
Arkansas was hot in the first half but has gone cold in the second.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on December 08, 2010, 07:53:39 pm
Looks like a good win for Arkansas .....I'm thinking NCAA tournament  ;D
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 08, 2010, 07:56:41 pm
Time to win a tight one.  Finish this.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 08, 2010, 08:06:37 pm
Good win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 08:07:51 pm
That's a good solid win.  I'm guessing the Pope kid Seton Hall who didn't play the first half is one of their 2 best players.  Not sure if he would have been the difference tonight, but it's hard to deny had he played the entire game, it would have been much closer. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on December 08, 2010, 08:09:15 pm
71-62 Hogs win. It was sloppy, but a win is a win.

I hope Nobles can shoot that well more often. We rebounded quite well tonight, also.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 08, 2010, 08:24:00 pm
Hopefully the winning can continue and we can get some more fanbase attention. Our basketball attention is starting to sink to the level Alabama fans cares about basketball.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on December 08, 2010, 08:39:11 pm
Delvon Johnson had a monster game! 8 points, 12 rebounds, 8 blocks

Hello Post Player!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on December 08, 2010, 09:32:48 pm
Anybody else see 20 wins this year?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on December 08, 2010, 09:55:13 pm
I'm proud of the hogs. A confidence and it helps build resilience for tight conference games. Way to finish guys.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on December 09, 2010, 03:03:04 am
Quote from: hb14lh on December 08, 2010, 08:39:11 pm
Delvon Johnson had a monster game! 8 points, 12 rebounds, 8 blocks

Hello Post Player!
His dunk at the end actually gave him 10 points for a double-double.

Honestly, he had a triple double, but they screwed him out of a few blocks. Some of those shots he blocked that went straight up were credited as air balls or turnovers, so he didn't get blocks for them.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2010, 08:56:06 am
Quote from: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 07:28:59 pm
Quote from: B.G. on December 08, 2010, 07:10:51 pm
We can do both.  I like a season thread.

It's nice to play well on a big stage.  We have a good amount of down time overall for finals and when that ends we should have Powell at full strength.

Warning:  This thread will not turn into a bash festival.

Venny still posts here, so at some point he will try and turn it that direction.
Easy AB...I haven't said anything this year. I didn't even say anything after the UAB loss. I would love to see them have a great season especially with the class they have coming in next year. I will reserve judgement for now...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: BHS on December 09, 2010, 10:09:37 am
For those of you interested, I believe EPC plays at Parkview sometime this month, I will have to check.  That is Madden vs Ross, and I'm sure you could see some highlights in it!  Ill update later when I find out the date.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 09, 2010, 01:53:46 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on December 09, 2010, 08:56:06 am
Quote from: AB™ on December 08, 2010, 07:28:59 pm
Quote from: B.G. on December 08, 2010, 07:10:51 pm
We can do both.  I like a season thread.

It's nice to play well on a big stage.  We have a good amount of down time overall for finals and when that ends we should have Powell at full strength.

Warning:  This thread will not turn into a bash festival.

Venny still posts here, so at some point he will try and turn it that direction.
Easy AB...I haven't said anything this year. I didn't even say anything after the UAB loss. I would love to see them have a great season especially with the class they have coming in next year. I will reserve judgement for now...

I've notice.  I just figured given your track record it was only a matter of time.  8)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 01:57:18 pm
Marshawn Powell has started to look pretty good. Once he is 100% he is in discussion for best player in the SEC.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 09, 2010, 02:02:42 pm
Quote from: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 01:57:18 pm
Marshawn Powell has started to look pretty good. Once he is 100% he is in discussion for best player in the SEC.

There's a freshman by the name of Terrance Jones at Kentucky who will have a lot to say about that.  Not only is he the best player in the SEC right now, he's one of the 5 best players in the nation. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on December 09, 2010, 02:03:57 pm
Quote from: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 01:57:18 pm
Marshawn Powell has started to look pretty good. Once he is 100% he is in discussion for best player in the SEC.

SEC West
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 02:12:47 pm
Quote from: AB™ on December 09, 2010, 02:02:42 pm
Quote from: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 01:57:18 pm
Marshawn Powell has started to look pretty good. Once he is 100% he is in discussion for best player in the SEC.

There's a freshman by the name of Terrance Jones at Kentucky who will have a lot to say about that.  Not only is he the best player in the SEC right now, he's one of the 5 best players in the nation. 
Like I said, in the discussion.

Let's not forget Marshawn was pretty darn good last year. And this year before he hurt his foot has was not only a lot stronger but was taking his game out to the perimeter with ease. And this year he'll have an offense designed to get him the ball.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 09, 2010, 02:14:18 pm
Were in position to contend for the SEC West title. Problem with that is winning the west may not mean much for a NCAA tourney bid.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 02:18:56 pm
Quote from: Romeo on December 09, 2010, 02:14:18 pm
Were in position to contend for the SEC West title. Problem with that is winning the west may not mean much for a NCAA tourney bid.
We need to beat either TAMU or Texas or atleast make both games very close. Then win atleat 8 games in SEC play. Then a good showing in the SEC Tourney and we have a tourney shot. The Arkansas name still holds some respect nationally and we snuck in Heath's last year.

However, even second in the SEC-West and it isn't happening regardless.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 09, 2010, 04:31:17 pm
Quote from: Smithian on December 09, 2010, 02:18:56 pm
Quote from: Romeo on December 09, 2010, 02:14:18 pm
Were in position to contend for the SEC West title. Problem with that is winning the west may not mean much for a NCAA tourney bid.
We need to beat either TAMU or Texas or atleast make both games very close. Then win atleat 8 games in SEC play. Then a good showing in the SEC Tourney and we have a tourney shot. The Arkansas name still holds some respect nationally and we snuck in Heath's last year.

However, even second in the SEC-West and it isn't happening regardless.

Agree, to an extent, because I think Arkansas is going to need 10 wins to win the West, and need at least 10 SEC wins to be considered for the NCAAT.  Even if 8 wins does win the West, an 8-8 SEC record isn't going to cut it for the NCAAT selection committee. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 15, 2010, 09:10:23 pm
Hogs win their seventh game tonight after beating Miss. Valley St 87-64. We started of sluggish as expected after a week layoff but finished good despite Rotnei Clarke scoring 0 points.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 15, 2010, 09:14:48 pm
and Kikko Haydar had 3.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 19, 2010, 07:11:35 pm
Women Hogs upset #12 Oklahoma tonight 67-57. Biggest win I can remember.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on December 19, 2010, 07:13:16 pm
Wow. Go Lady Razorbacks.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: razorbacks82007 on December 20, 2010, 05:21:57 pm
has anyone else realized 90% of us wont see us play against texas?? its on Jan 4 at 8, Sugar bowl starts at 7.. is a time change possible??
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on December 20, 2010, 05:48:04 pm
Quote from: razorbacks82007 on December 20, 2010, 05:21:57 pm
has anyone else realized 90% of us wont see us play against texas?? its on Jan 4 at 8, Sugar bowl starts at 7.. is a time change possible??

Nope. Only way a time change would be possible is if Texas was in a bowl game playing at that time.....but they're not!  ;D
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on December 20, 2010, 08:11:54 pm
I can't imagine that time/date would stay the same.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 22, 2010, 09:06:15 pm
Got a scare tonight from Texas Southern but came away with a 67-59 win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 22, 2010, 09:07:23 pm
Glen Bryant has to be one of the 3 or 4 best athletes in the nation.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: FreeMoney on December 22, 2010, 09:15:02 pm
This game was so hard to watch. yes we play harder--yes powell didn't play--yea this team has better chemistry. But this was Texas southern and we struggled. They Box and 1'd clarke and dared our other D1 players to beat them and we were just a little less ugly than they were. Clarke has been there three years now and we have NO ONE to complement him to take any pressure off of him. And I really don't want to hear about how we have a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year. why don't we have better more complete players now. to make that argument would be to say less just recruit low level skill guys with incomplete games for three years and then go for the big bang in year four. This is Pelphrey's fourth??? year. why don't we have better players there right now??
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: The Snowman on December 22, 2010, 09:25:13 pm
Quote from: FreeMoney on December 22, 2010, 09:15:02 pm
This game was so hard to watch. yes we play harder--yes powell didn't play--yea this team has better chemistry. But this was Texas southern and we struggled. They Box and 1'd clarke and dared our other D1 players to beat them and we were just a little less ugly than they were. Clarke has been there three years now and we have NO ONE to complement him to take any pressure off of him. And I really don't want to hear about how we have a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year. why don't we have better more complete players now. to make that argument would be to say less just recruit low level skill guys with incomplete games for three years and then go for the big bang in year four. This is Pelphrey's fourth??? year. why don't we have better players there right now??
You do realize Texas Southern has 2 guys that transferred from big time D1 schools.  A win is a win this year especially when ranked teams having been falling left and right to non AQ schools.  I'm not saying pel is the answer, but his guys play hard. He inherited a mess when he got here and fans expect a coach to snap his fingers and take us back to the 90's.  Well a recruit could care less what your tradition was in the 90's so it takes time to build back to that level.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: razorbacks82007 on December 22, 2010, 09:26:01 pm
thats all we can say watchin the games is... why? why dont we run an offense from more than we do? why do we run down and just throw one up, or throw it to them. why why why. also, delvon was in fould trouble just about all night
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 22, 2010, 09:34:29 pm
At least we had a better night than other schools in the SEC. LSU lost by 20 to North Texas at home, South Carolina loses at Furman by 16 and Washington State crushed Miss State by 26.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on December 22, 2010, 09:36:14 pm
I think college basketball along with pro basketball is dying a slow death.... I have never cared for it until the big dance but I find myself less interested in it every year.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 22, 2010, 09:37:29 pm
Powell's one minute of playing time apparently wasn't because he was hurt.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 22, 2010, 09:44:02 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on December 22, 2010, 09:36:14 pm
I think college basketball along with pro basketball is dying a slow death.... I have never cared for it until the big dance but I find myself less interested in it every year.

The NBA's popularity is up quite a bit over the last 4 or 5 years.  Just because you're losing interest doesn't mean "pro and college basketball are dying a slow death".  College basketball is still very popular as well.  Maybe not as popular as it used to be, but still not "dying" as you claim. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 22, 2010, 09:45:17 pm
College basketball has no identity.  Players come and go way to fast to form any attachment to them(if they're good).   I know a lot of people don't like Bobby Knight, but he was speaking on ESPN radio about the "one and done" players that now dominate the landscape.  In particular, they come and play their one year(freshman or as a juco transfer) then drop out in the Spring after not going to class since January.

Those two things are connected.  It's getting to were college baseball players stay in school longer.  Fans need to identify with players on the college level.

With dollars in shorter supply for most, they are prioritizing their entertainment dollars.  NCAA basketball is hitting the skids.  Just look at the U of A.  People are now going to pay for seat licenses for football despite not getting anything extra for it.  While simultaneously, they can hardly sell basketball tickets.

I know, I know if the Hogs were good they'd sell more bball tickets.  But even at schools with good teams, bball ticket sales are down.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on December 22, 2010, 10:03:17 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on December 22, 2010, 09:36:14 pm
I think college basketball along with pro basketball is dying a slow death.... I have never cared for it until the big dance but I find myself less interested in it every year.

I hear you FastDrop. I use to be a die hard basketball fan of the NBA and college. I just don't care to watch or keep up with it anymore. Even if the current hog team was winning I don't think it would mean enough to me to go to the games or plan on watching them. I always hope they win and get in the top 20 but football is king with me more than years past. I agree that teams just don't keep players long for both the NBA and college.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on December 23, 2010, 12:16:15 am
I put this in the UCONN thread but it fits here as well.

To be honest I watch less NCAA basketball now than I have in about 35 years. Talent pool is diluted as so many of the "greats" have gone pro so early that we have not seen those teams get to develop. Chemistry is huge in NCAA basketball as proven by Kentucky last season when they had by far the most talent but it had not been developed. Overkill is the second thing. I used to look forward to watching college basketball because it was "special". Now I can watch any time of any day. Too much. Third, maybe I am just getting older. I watch less everything. I spend more time doing stuff than watching now. I also spend time on the computer now. But I think ratings are backing me that basketball is not being watched as much. Fourth, the amount of anything else to watch or do. I can watch Raymond or Seinfeld reruns, any sporting event, play games, go out with the wife, go up to the mountain, 4-wheeling, etc. There is just so much to fill time nowadays. Finally, I am a Razorback fan and I got to enjoy the Sutton era from the beginning. Then I got to watch Nolan take us to the title. Maybe I got spoiled to "good" basketball with Sutton and exciting and full of hustle basketball with Nolan. The product is just not as appealing right now. Could just be me.

As far as the NBA is concerned, it is more popular now than it has been for awhile. Stars galore including some young guns like Durant and Lebron, established HOFs like Kobe and Duncan, Lakers and Celtics back on top providing a much needed rivalry, and they have taken much of the thug image away. Nobody does as good a job of promoting their sport as the NFL, but the NBA gets a B+.

I, too, think the NCAA basketball is hurting and on the way down. Lack of identity as stated above plus overkill have to be the two biggest reasons.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on December 23, 2010, 07:39:32 am
BG nailed it. Most of the coaches and players in college now are nothing but Hired Basketball Mercenaries. The system has figured out a way to get these hired guns in the system and even if they wanted to stay they lack the educational fundamentals to stay.... one or 2 and done is the longest they can stay.

QuoteAs far as the NBA is concerned, it is more popular now than it has been for awhile. Stars galore including some young guns like Durant and Lebron, established HOFs like Kobe and Duncan, Lakers and Celtics back on top providing a much needed rivalry, and they have taken much of the thug image away. Nobody does as good a job of promoting their sport as the NFL, but the NBA gets a B+.
Rattler I agree with most everything you posted. It was right on as far as College basketball goes for me.

But ... The NBA stars are nothing more than HIP HOP RAP basketball players.. LOL

I remember real stars --- that had a little class-

n the 70's and 80's, I actually preferred pro basketball to college hoops. The NBA had Wilt, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Pete Maravich, Connie Hawkins, Rick Barry, Nate Archibald, Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, and many other great players. The 70's gave us the Lakers with Wilt, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich (and Pat Riley); the Knicks featured Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe (and Phil Jackson); those fabulous Celtic teams starred Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, John Havlicek and Jo Jo White; the Milwaukee Bucks boasted Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, and Bob Dandridge; the Detroit Pistons featured Dave Bing and Bob Lanier; and the Baltimore/Washington Bullets were amazing with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, and Phil Chenier.

Those were good days for the NBA, and when the older players retired, four ABA teams were admitted into the league. Suddenly we witnessed the talents of players from the so-called inferior league as Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving, George McGinnis, George Gervin, Maurice Lucas and others now battled with the established stars.

The excitement increased as the 80's brought us Lakers Showtime, with Worthy and Magic running the break while Kareem patrolled the middle; Moses Malone, Dr. J and Charles Barkley together on one team; the original Twin Towers (it would have been fun to watch Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon face off against their 90's counterparts, David Robinson and Tim Duncan); and, an amazing Celtics team with Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, and Kevin McHale. The mid-80's introduced a guy who would single-handedly change the NBA landscape named Michael Jordan. Despite his offensive brilliance, his teams weren't ready yet to compete with the NBA's upper echelon. He was fun to watch, though.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-NBA

BTW --- I can go to any Grizzly home game I want to for free -- I have always passed on it. I had rather watch High School Basketball where the kids are playing for family, friends, at their school.... unless you are one of dem Private schools.



Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: The Snowman on December 23, 2010, 08:22:20 am
Quote from: fastdrop on December 23, 2010, 07:39:32 am
BG nailed it. Most of the coaches and players in college now are nothing but Hired Basketball Mercenaries. The system has figured out a way to get these hired guns in the system and even if they wanted to stay they lack the educational fundamentals to stay.... one or 2 and done is the longest they can stay.

QuoteAs far as the NBA is concerned, it is more popular now than it has been for awhile. Stars galore including some young guns like Durant and Lebron, established HOFs like Kobe and Duncan, Lakers and Celtics back on top providing a much needed rivalry, and they have taken much of the thug image away. Nobody does as good a job of promoting their sport as the NFL, but the NBA gets a B+.
Rattler I agree with most everything you posted. It was right on as far as College basketball goes for me.

But ... The NBA stars are nothing more than HIP HOP RAP basketball players.. LOL

I remember real stars --- that had a little class-

n the 70's and 80's, I actually preferred pro basketball to college hoops. The NBA had Wilt, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Pete Maravich, Connie Hawkins, Rick Barry, Nate Archibald, Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, and many other great players. The 70's gave us the Lakers with Wilt, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich (and Pat Riley); the Knicks featured Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe (and Phil Jackson); those fabulous Celtic teams starred Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, John Havlicek and Jo Jo White; the Milwaukee Bucks boasted Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, and Bob Dandridge; the Detroit Pistons featured Dave Bing and Bob Lanier; and the Baltimore/Washington Bullets were amazing with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, and Phil Chenier.

Those were good days for the NBA, and when the older players retired, four ABA teams were admitted into the league. Suddenly we witnessed the talents of players from the so-called inferior league as Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving, George McGinnis, George Gervin, Maurice Lucas and others now battled with the established stars.

The excitement increased as the 80's brought us Lakers Showtime, with Worthy and Magic running the break while Kareem patrolled the middle; Moses Malone, Dr. J and Charles Barkley together on one team; the original Twin Towers (it would have been fun to watch Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon face off against their 90's counterparts, David Robinson and Tim Duncan); and, an amazing Celtics team with Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, and Kevin McHale. The mid-80's introduced a guy who would single-handedly change the NBA landscape named Michael Jordan. Despite his offensive brilliance, his teams weren't ready yet to compete with the NBA's upper echelon. He was fun to watch, though.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-NBA

BTW --- I can go to any Grizzly home game I want to for free -- I have always passed on it. I had rather watch High School Basketball where the kids are playing for family, friends, at their school.... unless you are one of dem Private schools.





Those players back then seemed to have a little "class" because they weren't in an era where their every move was tracked and displayed for the world to see.  Wilt was a womanizer to say the least and a lot of them were drug users ala Kareem taking tokes of the funny smelling cigarette.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on December 23, 2010, 08:45:33 am
Quote from: The Snowman on December 23, 2010, 08:22:20 am
Quote from: fastdrop on December 23, 2010, 07:39:32 am
BG nailed it. Most of the coaches and players in college now are nothing but Hired Basketball Mercenaries. The system has figured out a way to get these hired guns in the system and even if they wanted to stay they lack the educational fundamentals to stay.... one or 2 and done is the longest they can stay.

QuoteAs far as the NBA is concerned, it is more popular now than it has been for awhile. Stars galore including some young guns like Durant and Lebron, established HOFs like Kobe and Duncan, Lakers and Celtics back on top providing a much needed rivalry, and they have taken much of the thug image away. Nobody does as good a job of promoting their sport as the NFL, but the NBA gets a B+.
Rattler I agree with most everything you posted. It was right on as far as College basketball goes for me.

But ... The NBA stars are nothing more than HIP HOP RAP basketball players.. LOL

I remember real stars --- that had a little class-

n the 70's and 80's, I actually preferred pro basketball to college hoops. The NBA had Wilt, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Pete Maravich, Connie Hawkins, Rick Barry, Nate Archibald, Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, and many other great players. The 70's gave us the Lakers with Wilt, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich (and Pat Riley); the Knicks featured Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe (and Phil Jackson); those fabulous Celtic teams starred Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, John Havlicek and Jo Jo White; the Milwaukee Bucks boasted Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, and Bob Dandridge; the Detroit Pistons featured Dave Bing and Bob Lanier; and the Baltimore/Washington Bullets were amazing with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, and Phil Chenier.

Those were good days for the NBA, and when the older players retired, four ABA teams were admitted into the league. Suddenly we witnessed the talents of players from the so-called inferior league as Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving, George McGinnis, George Gervin, Maurice Lucas and others now battled with the established stars.

The excitement increased as the 80's brought us Lakers Showtime, with Worthy and Magic running the break while Kareem patrolled the middle; Moses Malone, Dr. J and Charles Barkley together on one team; the original Twin Towers (it would have been fun to watch Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon face off against their 90's counterparts, David Robinson and Tim Duncan); and, an amazing Celtics team with Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, and Kevin McHale. The mid-80's introduced a guy who would single-handedly change the NBA landscape named Michael Jordan. Despite his offensive brilliance, his teams weren't ready yet to compete with the NBA's upper echelon. He was fun to watch, though.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-NBA

BTW --- I can go to any Grizzly home game I want to for free -- I have always passed on it. I had rather watch High School Basketball where the kids are playing for family, friends, at their school.... unless you are one of dem Private schools.





Those players back then seemed to have a little "class" because they weren't in an era where their every move was tracked and displayed for the world to see.  Wilt was a womanizer to say the least and a lot of them were drug users ala Kareem taking tokes of the funny smelling cigarette.
agreed... I guess I meant on the court. They played the whole game of basketball in a purer era of the game. It was about the game and it goes back to what BG said earlier.... You knew when a player played for your team ... he was always going to play for your team until he retired. The players established roots in their city and was proud to play for the fans --- strong relationships are built over time and games were truly city against city.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on December 25, 2010, 12:19:28 am
Still not convinced that Pel is the answer as our coach...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: FreeMoney on December 25, 2010, 08:58:33 pm
Quote from: gatecrasher on December 25, 2010, 12:19:28 am
Still not convinced that Pel is the answer as our coach...
I agree totally. If he was the answer there would be better more complete players there now and we wouldn't be in this wait till next year mode that 90% of the posters on here are singing.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on December 25, 2010, 09:14:28 pm
Quote from: gatecrasher on December 25, 2010, 12:19:28 am
Still not convinced that Pel is the answer as our coach...

I am not either. FreeMoney is right when he says we don't see much progression of players. I also see nothing that resembles a half court offense yet.

I am not full anti-Pelphrey yet...but its getting tough to say "wait til next year" even with this recruiting class coming in.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: OlGuyWicker on December 25, 2010, 10:22:00 pm
They look a lot like an AAU team, they try to go out and play off their talent.  Most offenses are dribble oriented.  Not as much passing or structure.  What happened to the promise to restore the days of the Richardson type defense?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on December 26, 2010, 12:30:34 am
Arkansas (and this falls on Pelphrey more than anyone else) keeps trying to go through too many stretches of games where he runs the offense through Clarke.  The other four players are out there setting screens and trying to get the ball to Clarke for the first option in the halfcourt.  That killed Arkansas against Texas A&M. 

The team basketball IQ is very low right now as well.  They kept shooting 3-pointer after 3-pointer against Texas Southern, despite only making about 1 out of every 4.  It finally clicked about 10 minutes into the second half that they weren't hitting from the outside, they started attacking the rim, and got easy shots in the lane.  Why Pelphrey didn't call a timeout it the first half after one of the possessions where Arkansas jacked up and bricked 3 or 4 three pointers is beyond me, but it took the players WAY too long to realize it on their own.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on December 26, 2010, 08:47:07 am
I turn the TV on and I still see no identity, especially on offense.

Against aTm, once the game went to OT (only bit of it I was able to watch), I saw not one trip into the lane the first 3+ minutes ( I changed the channel after we got down by 8). It looked like the pregame shootaround for my daughter's pee wee team.

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on December 29, 2010, 09:04:05 pm
The good: Arkansas wins tonight 87-59.

The bad: Glenn Bryant went down with an apparent leg injury.

The ugly: Marshawn Powell is suspended indefinitely possibly due to academics.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on December 29, 2010, 09:13:50 pm
According to Blake Eddins, it was an hyperextended elbow and an ankle injury.  I hope he can come back sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on December 29, 2010, 09:17:51 pm
Haydar with 8 points in the final 5 minutes.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: FreeMoney on December 29, 2010, 09:59:17 pm
Quote from: AB™ on December 26, 2010, 12:30:34 am
Arkansas (and this falls on Pelphrey more than anyone else) keeps trying to go through too many stretches of games where he runs the offense through Clarke.  The other four players are out there setting screens and trying to get the ball to Clarke for the first option in the halfcourt.  That killed Arkansas against Texas A&M. 

The team basketball IQ is very low right now as well.  They kept shooting 3-pointer after 3-pointer against Texas Southern, despite only making about 1 out of every 4.  It finally clicked about 10 minutes into the second half that they weren't hitting from the outside, they started attacking the rim, and got easy shots in the lane.  Why Pelphrey didn't call a timeout it the first half after one of the possessions where Arkansas jacked up and bricked 3 or 4 three pointers is beyond me, but it took the players WAY too long to realize it on their own.
And a single one of these players is anything close to a complementary player for Clarke and we've gone through three recruiting classes to find someone who can. It isn't the players fault. this all goes wrong during the evaluation periods. I'll even go this far and say we really don't know if Pel can coach or not what we do know is that he hasn't proven he can evaluate talent and put a team together. and I do not want to hear how great these guys are that we have coming in next year .  I'm sure they are great individual players during the AAU season.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on December 29, 2010, 10:15:18 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on December 23, 2010, 07:39:32 am
BG nailed it. Most of the coaches and players in college now are nothing but Hired Basketball Mercenaries. The system has figured out a way to get these hired guns in the system and even if they wanted to stay they lack the educational fundamentals to stay.... one or 2 and done is the longest they can stay.

QuoteAs far as the NBA is concerned, it is more popular now than it has been for awhile. Stars galore including some young guns like Durant and Lebron, established HOFs like Kobe and Duncan, Lakers and Celtics back on top providing a much needed rivalry, and they have taken much of the thug image away. Nobody does as good a job of promoting their sport as the NFL, but the NBA gets a B+.
Rattler I agree with most everything you posted. It was right on as far as College basketball goes for me.

But ... The NBA stars are nothing more than HIP HOP RAP basketball players.. LOL

I remember real stars --- that had a little class-

n the 70's and 80's, I actually preferred pro basketball to college hoops. The NBA had Wilt, Kareem, Bob Lanier, Pete Maravich, Connie Hawkins, Rick Barry, Nate Archibald, Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, and many other great players. The 70’s gave us the Lakers with Wilt, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich (and Pat Riley); the Knicks featured Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe (and Phil Jackson); those fabulous Celtic teams starred Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, John Havlicek and Jo Jo White; the Milwaukee Bucks boasted Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, and Bob Dandridge; the Detroit Pistons featured Dave Bing and Bob Lanier; and the Baltimore/Washington Bullets were amazing with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, and Phil Chenier.

Those were good days for the NBA, and when the older players retired, four ABA teams were admitted into the league. Suddenly we witnessed the talents of players from the so-called inferior league as Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving, George McGinnis, George Gervin, Maurice Lucas and others now battled with the established stars.

The excitement increased as the 80's brought us Lakers Showtime, with Worthy and Magic running the break while Kareem patrolled the middle; Moses Malone, Dr. J and Charles Barkley together on one team; the original Twin Towers (it would have been fun to watch Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon face off against their 90’s counterparts, David Robinson and Tim Duncan); and, an amazing Celtics team with Larry Bird, Robert Parrish, and Kevin McHale. The mid-80’s introduced a guy who would single-handedly change the NBA landscape named Michael Jordan. Despite his offensive brilliance, his teams weren’t ready yet to compete with the NBA’s upper echelon. He was fun to watch, though.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-NBA

BTW --- I can go to any Grizzly home game I want to for free -- I have always passed on it. I had rather watch High School Basketball where the kids are playing for family, friends, at their school.... unless you are one of dem Private schools.




Agreed. Magic, Worthy, Cooper, etc were Lakers; Bird and McHale were Celtics; Hakeem was a Rocket; and so on. They seemed to play for their franchises/cities like college athletes seem to most of the time.

As for the "little class", I think it is a microcosm for our entire society. There have always been "good guys" and "wild guys" in athletics. But the percentages seem to have changed to me. But I also agree that we were not fully aware of what was going on back then. It just seems that now there are almost no A. C. Greens out there.

Kareem on drugs? I knew Walton was liberal. Did not realize Kareem was into such.

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on December 30, 2010, 08:27:25 am
JUMP BALL -- No fans showing up for games --- this with the Hogs winning!!!

Pel is in a no win situation .... Since Petrino is in a no lose situation maybe he can be the savior to the basketball program too. If he would just start attending the games after the sugar bowl is over I think it would increase attendance. He could do the post game show with Pel. Heck you might even want to pay Petrino to sit on the bench just to argue with the refs.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on December 30, 2010, 09:26:40 am
I like it; I like it. Have a bunch of the football players in the student section.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on December 30, 2010, 07:06:21 pm

Hog Basketball- Hahaha. I can't watch them play these scrub teams when they win by 10 or less pts. Ironic, how we had fire spitting coaches like Sutton and Richardson and won big consistently and looked good playing O and D. Then we hire pacifists Heath and Pel. Super nice quiet guys with good kharma and then we see the end result of our team play- disappointing for the most part. How many local talent players have we signed since Nolan left? Players from Memphis, Tulsa, Dallas? We proved years ago that if we recruited players from these not so far away urban pools and signed the top AR player every year that with a strong willed coach we could WIN most years. Something has got to give by the end of the year. I don't want to hear about our stellar record so far this year. We have played a patsy schedule and I'm thinking we'll have no better than a .500 conference record.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on December 30, 2010, 11:58:16 pm
SEC West Basketball is down this year. Let's  See if Eddie Haskell (Pel) in the Roller Funeral Home Suits can coach well enough for the Hogs to compete for the SEC West Title.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 04, 2011, 06:56:07 am
In case anyone forgot the basketball hogs plays Texas tonight.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 04, 2011, 08:27:31 am
I didn't. I'm still a fan and a supporter of pel.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 04, 2011, 12:33:31 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 04, 2011, 06:56:07 am
In case anyone forgot the basketball hogs plays Texas tonight.
Not going to be a good game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 04, 2011, 09:37:59 pm
I would put the score right now for the game but seeing how the football game is turning out I don't want to risk causing a suicide. Just know its bad.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 05, 2011, 12:00:54 am
79-46 Whorns won

at least we know the football team is in good hands

the SEc sucks in hoops and yet we'll probably go 4-12
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 05, 2011, 12:08:09 am
All the cupcake MEAC, SWAC games are over, (except for Florida A&M). Time to see what Pelphrey is made of. We can finish 7-9 or even 6-10 and still qualify for the NIT. As bad as the SEC is this year if we have a similar conference record like the last two years Pelphrey needs to go. I don't care if freakin Michael Jordan is in next year's class. You can have all the talent in the world but if you have terrible coaching all your going to do is underachieve.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 06, 2011, 06:47:14 pm
In the words of FC Joe........... Pel must Go !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 06, 2011, 09:18:39 pm
Women hogs win tonight 78-67 against #10 Kentucky. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 06, 2011, 11:09:27 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 05, 2011, 12:08:09 am
You can have all the talent in the world but if you have terrible coaching all your going to do is underachieve.

People actually think Pel's gonna do something with the incoming class.  Ha!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 06, 2011, 11:11:35 pm
Quote from: Uncle Ivan on January 06, 2011, 11:09:27 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 05, 2011, 12:08:09 am
You can have all the talent in the world but if you have terrible coaching all your going to do is underachieve.

People actually think Pel's gonna do something with the incoming class.  Ha!

Hey you.  This isn't Jump Ball.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 07, 2011, 01:14:29 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 06, 2011, 09:18:39 pm
Women hogs win tonight 78-67 against #10 Kentucky. 
They could give Pels bunch a run for their money !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 07, 2011, 06:35:11 am
I am about ready to dump a Memphis Tiger coach.....
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 07, 2011, 12:39:22 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on January 07, 2011, 01:14:29 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 06, 2011, 09:18:39 pm
Women hogs win tonight 78-67 against #10 Kentucky. 
They could give Pels bunch a run for their money !
I just wonder how close the attendence is at womens games verses the mens games at Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on January 07, 2011, 06:11:10 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 06, 2011, 11:11:35 pm
Quote from: Uncle Ivan on January 06, 2011, 11:09:27 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 05, 2011, 12:08:09 am
You can have all the talent in the world but if you have terrible coaching all your going to do is underachieve.

People actually think Pel's gonna do something with the incoming class.  Ha!

Hey you.  This isn't Jump Ball.
I'm done with Jump Ball. It turned into heck yesterday. The whole board is just haters bumping up old, positive threads and ridiculing people.

They finally won. Myself, HawgAdvocate, Breems, and thirtythree are done. They can have their Fire Pelphrey pep rallies with no disruption.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 08, 2011, 01:58:04 pm
Hogs are up 7 on tennessee early in the second half...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on January 08, 2011, 02:01:57 pm
Our offense is looking pretty good in the 2nd half
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 08, 2011, 02:48:52 pm
Good defense on that last possession. Hogs win it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on January 08, 2011, 02:50:16 pm
Thats a big, big win. I am pretty confident we can get wins against the SEC West, but we need to salvage every win against the East that we can get.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 08, 2011, 02:50:52 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on January 05, 2011, 12:00:54 am
79-46 Whorns won

at least we know the football team is in good hands

the SEc sucks in hoops and yet we'll probably go 4-12
didn't watch the game...but tenn 65 arkansas 68..so the hogs are 1/4th of the way to meeting at least ur expectations
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 09, 2011, 12:07:47 pm
Great win for the Hogs vs. Tenn.  Always nice to start conference 1-0.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on January 09, 2011, 02:19:55 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 09, 2011, 12:07:47 pm
Great win for the Hogs vs. Tenn.  Always nice to start conference 1-0.
Did you go to the game yesterday BG?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 09, 2011, 06:04:02 pm
Quote from: Smithian on January 09, 2011, 02:19:55 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 09, 2011, 12:07:47 pm
Great win for the Hogs vs. Tenn.  Always nice to start conference 1-0.
Did you go to the game yesterday BG?
I did not.  I had no excuse either as I had tickets offered.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 09, 2011, 08:49:42 pm
basketball..... Maybe the Hogs and other southern colleges could turn their basketball arenas into Hockey stadiums... I think I could get into that!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 12, 2011, 09:00:02 am
Arkansas vs LSU tonight at 7:00pm on SEC network. We've lost 9 out of the last 11 games in Baton Rouge.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 12, 2011, 09:28:39 am
Pelphrey may have kept the Pel haters at bay with the win at Tennessee, but if Arkansas loses tonight, they'll be back and as loud as ever.  If you want to win the West this year, you have to sweep Auburn and LSU. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on January 12, 2011, 11:12:31 am
QuoteThe text arrived two days after Halloween, well before Billy Donovan got to the cemetery.

"Thinking of you," it read.

For almost a decade, it's never failed. Every year, on Nov. 2, Arkansas coach John Pelphrey – along with Alabama's Anthony Grant - have reached out to their former boss at Florida. A phone call, an e-mail, a card or text. Just something to remind Donovan how much they care. And how they can relate.

"No staff," Grant says, "has ever experienced what we experienced. What happened with all of us ... I wouldn't wish that on anybody."
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201101/billy-donovans-secret-sorrow
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 12, 2011, 01:19:43 pm
Quote from: Smithian on January 12, 2011, 11:12:31 am
QuoteThe text arrived two days after Halloween, well before Billy Donovan got to the cemetery.

"Thinking of you," it read.

For almost a decade, it's never failed. Every year, on Nov. 2, Arkansas coach John Pelphrey – along with Alabama's Anthony Grant - have reached out to their former boss at Florida. A phone call, an e-mail, a card or text. Just something to remind Donovan how much they care. And how they can relate.

"No staff," Grant says, "has ever experienced what we experienced. What happened with all of us ... I wouldn't wish that on anybody."
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201101/billy-donovans-secret-sorrow

I couldn't finish that.  I had to stop and close the page because it was too hard to read.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 12, 2011, 01:49:11 pm
Same here. Being a father, I couldn't even imagine.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 12, 2011, 01:59:16 pm
Wow, I didn't realize I wasn't the only one who couldn't read that.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 12, 2011, 07:57:29 pm
Looks like the Fire Pel talk will be coming back after this game unless the hogs can get going in the shooting department. LSU leads at halftime 31-17.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 12, 2011, 09:05:27 pm
Woo hoo
another close loss
At least the moral victory crowd is happy
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 12, 2011, 10:10:23 pm
Quote from: Smithian on January 07, 2011, 06:11:10 pm
They can have their Fire Pelphrey pep rallies with no disruption.

Hehe
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 12, 2011, 10:44:36 pm
2-20 or so from the 3 mark? Kinda like a 5% chance to survive cancer. Not good odds their Pel.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 12, 2011, 10:54:23 pm
All you sideline coaches, what do you suggest we do? I'm a Pel supporter and I like the guy. I'm not happy with losing and not being a top teir program but what do you folks suggest we do? I don't want an answer that consists of "we have the facilities to get a big name coach or the tradition" answer. We had the same tradition and facilities when Coach Pel was hired and stan was fired. What makes you think we can land someone and who is this someone since everyone out there is a Pel hater and better coach than him.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 13, 2011, 12:36:08 am
Quote from: AirWarren on January 12, 2011, 10:54:23 pm
All you sideline coaches, what do you suggest we do? I'm a Pel supporter and I like the guy. I'm not happy with losing and not being a top teir program but what do you folks suggest we do? I don't want an answer that consists of "we have the facilities to get a big name coach or the tradition" answer. We had the same tradition and facilities when Coach Pel was hired and stan was fired. What makes you think we can land someone and who is this someone since everyone out there is a Pel hater and better coach than him.

Let's try an experiment, shall we?

Ta-da!

All you sideline coaches, what do you suggest we do? I'm a Nutt supporter and I like the guy. I'm not happy with losing and not being a top tier program but what do you folks suggest we do? I don't want an answer that consists of "we have the facilities to get a big name coach or the tradition" answer. We had the same tradition and facilities when Coach Nutt was hired and Ford was fired. What makes you think we can land someone and who is this someone since everyone out there is a Nutt hater and better coach than him.

I knew this reasoning sounded familiar.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 12:51:15 am
Arkansas is in a lot better position to get a good name coach than in the past. The number of coaches turning us down a few years ago had  a lot more to do with the administration at that time, primarily JW. Some of the candidates had legitimate reasons to turn us down:

Tim Floyd - Was already ticked off at the way he was treated when he interviewed for the job after Nolan was fired and wasn't going to give us a second chance.

Tom Crean - Worked as an assistant with Heath at Michigan St. and is good friends with him. There's no way he would have took the job after the way his buddy was treated.

Dana Altman - Saw it as a good career move until he was briefed about the academic situation. After his suggestions to fix the situation were immediately shot down along with his AD playing holes of golf in Augusta just hours after he was hired, I think he saw that he made the wrong decision.

Bill Self - I can understand why his name was brought up after being a top candidate in 2002, but there's no way he would have left Kansas. Just wish the Nolan lawsuit didn't happen otherwise we would have hired the right guy and we wouldn't be in the current mess were in now.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2011, 12:57:06 am
I'm still not convinced that razorback basketball is as an attractive job that some of you think. Richardson was top notch but DID NOT win overnight. Heath was an ok, the clown from whatever that school in Nebraska was terrible, and pelphrey was a good hire for the circumstance. If we were such an attractive job we would have gotten calipari who in my opinion is the same caliber coach as petrino only in basketball. If he can't win with this incoming class then he needs to go. And then we will hire another mid major because for some reason people think that 94 title team should automatically hire a calipari type coach.

Trust me people I want the glory days too. But running off a coach trying to rebuild ain't the answer.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 13, 2011, 01:00:59 am
Mizzou coach. That's who I wish we could get. Not gonna happen. Has too much success where he is.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 01:24:04 am
The main argument I would give people who question the criticism of Pelphrey is that I don't see any difference between him and Heath in turns of gameplan, strategy, offense, defense, rebounding, etc.

When Heath was coach the talk then was to give him time which was justified given he was left with an empty cupboard when he took over. But by year four with national recognition having the best player in the SEC returning in Brewer along with several players back, still underachieved that year losing to Bucknell in the first round of the tournament.

Even with the 2011 class coming in, right now I haven't seen anything from Pelphrey that tells me were going to progress as a program in the near future.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on January 13, 2011, 01:49:30 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 12:51:15 am

Bill Self - I can understand why his name was brought up after being a top candidate in 2002, but there's no way he would have left Kansas.

He was actually at Illinois at the time.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 05:37:30 am
He was at Illinois during the 2002 interview. I was referring to when his name was being brought up when Heath was fired.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on January 13, 2011, 10:23:14 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 05:37:30 am
He was at Illinois during the 2002 interview. I was referring to when his name was being brought up when Heath was fired.

Gotcha, I thought you meant when Heath was hired. UofA was interested in him then too.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: SingleWingGuru on January 13, 2011, 12:25:24 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 13, 2011, 12:57:06 am
the clown from whatever that school in Nebraska was terrible

Yeah, Dana Altman is sooo bad (sarcasm off).

---417 Career Victories
---8 NCAA Tournament Appearances
---3 Conference Championships in a tough conference
---Highest Career GPA and Graduation Rate of any current College Coach

I'm calling shenanigans.  If you think the guy is so horrible... just imagine what it was like when he came in and Arkansas showed him the books.  I'd run away too with that GPA, being in that much of a hole regarding future NCAA sanctions.

Did I mention the school he was doing this at has the undergraduate population of Arkansas Tech?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 13, 2011, 01:16:32 pm
5-25 in road games under Pelphrey. Sigh...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 14, 2011, 05:32:01 pm
That is pathetic. Period.

I don't care what kind if class we have coming in...Pel is not gonna be good for regular NCAA Tournament appearances (a reasonable expectation) or championships.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: theHammer on January 14, 2011, 05:49:38 pm
I don't remember the actual statistic, but there hasn't been a Razorback basketball team with a winning road record in about 16(?) years.

Even Nolan had his struggles on the road. Is it really THAT difficult to win games on the road?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on January 15, 2011, 12:00:41 pm
Arkansas plays Alabama today at 12:30. I think it only comes on ESPN 3, though (the online ESPN). I'll keep updates here for anyone that can't or won't watch it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 15, 2011, 12:06:44 pm
The game will be SEC Network, (40/29, channel 7, KAIT). In my opinion this is a must win for Pelphrey to get some pressure off his back. The next two games will be on the road against South Carolina and Florida. Starting 1-4 in conference will get more people calling for his head.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 15, 2011, 01:44:21 pm
Delvon Johnson has been solid this year but he has the ugliest hook shot I've ever seen. Its like he's trying to play volleyball.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 15, 2011, 02:24:21 pm
I am getting to watch the Hogs for the first time this year on the tube..... Good gosh..this is some kind of ugly basketball game if that is what you call it. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 15, 2011, 02:54:24 pm
It is against the top-ranked SEC defense. We came back to win the game, though. This is what we should have done against LSU. Must find ways to win in ugly games. Sanchez even hit a couple of pressure free shots to come from behind by 10.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 15, 2011, 02:57:06 pm
Well at least I cared enough to watch my first college baskeball game of the year of any kind. It was better than raking the yard.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on January 15, 2011, 02:58:06 pm
Good win! Say what you want about Pel, but he called some pretty good plays down the stretch.

We need to win at least one against SC or FL on their home courts which is much easier said than done.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 15, 2011, 03:17:41 pm
I roll with the punches as a Hogs fan. I will support Pel, BP, Bucknam, and Van Horn while they are there. I want us to win. If admin makes changes I will still support Hogs. I stick with them through adversity. I let the powers that be do the real assessment of job performance. That is not to say I don't disagree with certain aspects but I try to remain positive. As down as the SEC is we should be able to win some games down the stretch but as I continue to watch this team play I must say that talent level is mediocre and that basketball IQ is mediocre as well. May be Pel's fault. I don't know. They are his recruits but sometimes players have to adjust, step up, etc. Today they did. Go Hogs.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
I agree. And I believe it has everything to do with coaching.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 15, 2011, 05:10:55 pm
Good win for the hogs. Should have done it against LSU but the important thing is we won today. Got to keep playing hard.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 15, 2011, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
I agree. And I believe it has everything to do with coaching.
Yet no one has scored this many on Bama as of late.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 05:32:55 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 15, 2011, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
I agree. And I believe it has everything to do with coaching.
Yet no one has scored this many on Bama as of late.
If you can watch the Razorbacks and see a well coached team, Please give me some of what you're taking.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 15, 2011, 05:40:33 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 05:32:55 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 15, 2011, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
I agree. And I believe it has everything to do with coaching.
Yet no one has scored this many on Bama as of late.
If you can watch the Razorbacks and see a well coached team, Please give me some of what you're taking.
Did you read that in that post?

My point is if someone is going to bust on the Offense, then it's relevant that their point output was above the norm for this opponent.

That clutch curl play for a 2 for Clarke was one of his better play calls given the circumstances.

I'm not defening him ad nausem, just on point the O isn't that bad.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Father Guido on January 15, 2011, 05:44:02 pm
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 15, 2011, 02:54:24 pm
...Sanchez even hit a couple of pressure free shots to come from behind by 10.

Sanchez hit a couple of free throws AFTER the game was decided and gave us a bit more of a cushion.  I believe it was Wade who hit the two that put us up by 3,  right after Sanchez had misse two.  I'll give Sanchez credit for giving us some insurance, but he missed both free throws horribly when the game was on the line.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 15, 2011, 05:45:38 pm
Quote from: Father Guido on January 15, 2011, 05:44:02 pm
  I'll give Sanchez credit for giving us some insurance, but he missed both free throws horribly when the game was on the line.

Money.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 15, 2011, 07:31:33 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 13, 2011, 01:00:59 am
Mizzou coach. That's who I wish we could get. Not gonna happen. Has too much success where he is.
Had Mike Anderson for the asking. But he was a Nolan Clone and we know everything dealing with Nolan had to be gone ! Pel will NEVER win like Nolan, NEVER !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 08:15:06 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 15, 2011, 05:40:33 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 05:32:55 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 15, 2011, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 15, 2011, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 15, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
Arkansas has to be one of the worst offensive teams in the nation.  At least out of the top 8-10 conferences.  It's painful watching them try to score. 
I agree. And I believe it has everything to do with coaching.
Yet no one has scored this many on Bama as of late.
If you can watch the Razorbacks and see a well coached team, Please give me some of what you're taking.
Did you read that in that post?

My point is if someone is going to bust on the Offense, then it's relevant that their point output was above the norm for this opponent.

That clutch curl play for a 2 for Clarke was one of his better play calls given the circumstances.

I'm not defening him ad nausem, just on point the O isn't that bad.

When I made that post, it was in the first half of the game, when Arkansas was on 'point-per-minute' pace. 

Every time I've watched Arkansas play this year, it's painful to watch them try and execute in the halfcourt on offense.  The team's collective basketball IQ is terrible.  It's clear that everyone on this current Arkansas team is a slasher except Clarke.  Yet, Arkansas has too many guys that think they're Rotnei Clarke from three.  They have several perimeter players that can take their man off the bounce and get into the paint almost anytime they want.  Instead, they spend big chunks of games passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking up threes.  There's been several games where Arkansas will get up about 10-15 3PT shots in the first half and be shooting something like 20% as a team.  Yet, they continue to keep jacking them up.  Part of that is the coach's fault, but it also is the fault of the players for being so dumb. 

So, yes, when I made that post, the offense was THAT bad.  There was no flow and no continuity.  It was pathetic.  And that wasn't the first or even second time this year I've watched Arkansas spend most of the 1st half playing that way offensively. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 15, 2011, 08:29:46 pm
Though several of your points are relevant, you more than most people know that basketball fluctates game-to-game, half-to-half and minute-to-minute.

That meaning, you can't eval a game until it's done.  In this case on this day on this court, the Hogs exceded the norm against this opponent.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 15, 2011, 10:26:16 pm
AB, I am not an expert on basketball by any stretch of the imagination (I now have two daughters playing; trying to learn more of the game for that reason)....

But that no-continuity, no-identity offense you describe, well, even I know it has been that way for the last two seasons. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 16, 2011, 01:09:08 am
Quote from: gatecrasher on January 15, 2011, 10:26:16 pm
AB, I am not an expert on basketball by any stretch of the imagination (I now have two daughters playing; trying to learn more of the game for that reason)....

But that no-continuity, no-identity offense you describe, well, even I know it has been that way for the last two seasons. Am I wrong?

Yes, but like B.G. said, basketball is a weird game.  I just know that I've watched four Arkansas games in their entirety this year, and in all four they had large portions of the game where they had no structure offensively.  If it was a one game thing, then yes, I'd call it fluky, and not freak out or anything.

Now, for whatever reason, they seem to get much smarter in the last 12-15 minutes of games (like almost every team that ever played basketball that's behind late in a game) because they are normally losing and it raises player awareness.  If a team scores 65 points on their opponent that is allowing 60 points per game, then it doesn't really matter how they got there.  Today, Arkansas' offense looked much better in the second half.  Pelphrey made nice adjustments and the team responded.

There's a high school team I've watched every game they've played, and they remind me of what I see in Arkansas.  The offense goes through stretches where there's zero continuity and after one or two passes someone jacks up a three.  However, at the end of the game, they somehow find a way to score 55-65 points and are 13-1 on the season.  It's frustrating as all get out to watch them on offense sometimes, but in the end, if they get the W that's all that matters, and all coaches and players should ultimately care about. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 16, 2011, 02:33:01 am
10-6 in the West is still a real possibility. I see the schedule playing out like this the rest of the way.

1/19 at SC Loss
1/22 at Florida Loss
1/25 Auburn Win
1/29 at Vandy Loss
2/2 Georgia Win
2/5 Ole Miss Win
2/9 at MSU Win
2/12 LSU Win
2/16 Florida A&M Win
2/19 at Alabama Loss
2/23 Kentucky Loss (I want to say win here but UK is too tough, be nice if 18000,19000 plus showed up)
2/26 at Auburn Win
3/2 MSU Win
3/5 at Ole Miss Win

I would venture to say that would get 2nd place, maybe 1st depending on how everyone else does. Those last three games will be huge, especially if Arkansas can win all three (with two of them on the road).
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 16, 2011, 06:50:05 am
Quote from: AB™ on January 16, 2011, 01:09:08 am
Quote from: gatecrasher on January 15, 2011, 10:26:16 pm
AB, I am not an expert on basketball by any stretch of the imagination (I now have two daughters playing; trying to learn more of the game for that reason)....

But that no-continuity, no-identity offense you describe, well, even I know it has been that way for the last two seasons. Am I wrong?

Yes, but like B.G. said, basketball is a weird game.  I just know that I've watched four Arkansas games in their entirety this year, and in all four they had large portions of the game where they had no structure offensively.  If it was a one game thing, then yes, I'd call it fluky, and not freak out or anything.

Now, for whatever reason, they seem to get much smarter in the last 12-15 minutes of games (like almost every team that ever played basketball that's behind late in a game) because they are normally losing and it raises player awareness.  If a team scores 65 points on their opponent that is allowing 60 points per game, then it doesn't really matter how they got there.  Today, Arkansas' offense looked much better in the second half.  Pelphrey made nice adjustments and the team responded.

There's a high school team I've watched every game they've played, and they remind me of what I see in Arkansas.  The offense goes through stretches where there's zero continuity and after one or two passes someone jacks up a three.  However, at the end of the game, they somehow find a way to score 55-65 points and are 13-1 on the season.  It's frustrating as all get out to watch them on offense sometimes, but in the end, if they get the W that's all that matters, and all coaches and players should ultimately care about. 

That offensive structure is part of the reason why we have a hard time winning on the road. We don't beat Alabama if the game is in Tuscaloosa. The players seem to feed off the crowd which is why we can come back after being down almost the entire game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 16, 2011, 10:46:11 pm
Quote from: DerekOxford on January 16, 2011, 02:33:01 am
10-6 in the West is still a real possibility. I see the schedule playing out like this the rest of the way.

1/19 at SC Loss
1/22 at Florida Loss
1/25 Auburn Win
1/29 at Vandy Loss
2/2 Georgia Win
2/5 Ole Miss Win
2/9 at MSU Win
2/12 LSU Win
2/16 Florida A&M Win
2/19 at Alabama Loss
2/23 Kentucky Loss (I want to say win here but UK is too tough, be nice if 18000,19000 plus showed up)
2/26 at Auburn Win
3/2 MSU Win
3/5 at Ole Miss Win

I would venture to say that would get 2nd place, maybe 1st depending on how everyone else does. Those last three games will be huge, especially if Arkansas can win all three (with two of them on the road).
My 10,000th post has to do with (sigh) the clusterfrick that is Arkansas basketball.

If they win 10 in SEC play I'll take back everything bad I have said about John Pelphrey publically, on this forum.

Not concerned about it, because it won't happen. I will, however, give him a mulligan through next season to see what he can do with a class that has been rated as high as #2 nationally.

20+ wins and a locked NCAA bid before the SEC tournament, or he has to go (in 2011-12)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 17, 2011, 12:00:30 am
Hogs are still NOT a good shooting team. They're a good athletic team. But shooting beyond 8ft from the basket they're a self checked team. Clark is the only guy who can actually shoot. Which for the life of me I can't understand. Why recruite D1 players who can't shoot ?  Duke and Coach K never take players who can't shoot or have any offensive skills. NEVER.......!!!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 17, 2011, 05:17:51 pm
I think I've posted it before but this team is NOT that talented! They are very limited offensively. There's only one player on the whole team that can create a shot...Powell the rest without help could be held scoreless on any given night. Offense look so much better with players that actual have offensive skills. To me the criticism of Pel should start there. Why can't we recruit players with offensive skills? He has upgraded the athleticism but not the skill level. I would like to think the lack of skill is the result of not being able to get the good players vs not being able to evaluate talent. The latter means we are in for one heck of ride next year!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 17, 2011, 05:42:32 pm
I'd also venture to say, Pel isn't good at developing players, or using the strengths of his players in his offensive schemes. (It's questionable if Pel has offensive schemes at times)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 17, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
A lot of these freshmen seem to be scorers out of high school but struggle once they get into college. Mardracus Wade had the reputation out of high school of being a good three point shooter but has struggled. I cringe everytime Marvell Waithe tries to shoot a three pointer. If your shooting 21 percent you don't need to be shooting three's.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 17, 2011, 09:45:06 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 17, 2011, 05:42:32 pm
I'd also venture to say, Pel isn't good at developing players, or using the strengths of his players in his offensive schemes. (It's questionable if Pel has offensive schemes at times)
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LOL! I feel your pain! Terrible execution. Go hogs!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 17, 2011, 11:03:55 pm
I'm thinking if this team gets hot shooting, we will be fine.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 17, 2011, 11:47:44 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 17, 2011, 11:03:55 pm
I'm thinking if this team gets hot shooting, we will be fine.
Pipe Dream.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 18, 2011, 12:05:18 am
I have no problem being optimistic about this team or coach.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 18, 2011, 02:18:52 am
I can take 6 guys from Northside Park and beat the Hogs !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 18, 2011, 07:43:42 am
Are crap is not as bad as the rest of the sec west crap
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2011, 09:00:13 am
At South Carolina & Florida, Auburn at home, and at Vanderbilt.

Looks like 1-3 almost can be chiseled in stone, but 0-4 isn't impossible.  Pelphrey has an uncanny ability to F things up.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AT on January 18, 2011, 09:44:57 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 17, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
A lot of these freshmen seem to be scorers out of high school but struggle once they get into college. Mardracus Wade had the reputation out of high school of being a good three point shooter but has struggled. I cringe everytime Marvell Waithe tries to shoot a three pointer. If your shooting 21 percent you don't need to be shooting three's.

Wade has the most potential besides Clarke to be a pretty good 3 point shooter for sure. He has a good stroke and has made some in conference play this year. I don't cringe every time he shoots it at least.

Jeff Peterson showed some 3 point shooting ability earlier this year, but he hasn't really showed it as of late. Maybe he will get his confidence back soon.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 18, 2011, 10:09:19 am
Yeah, Wade has improved as of late. He's struggled from three point range as a whole because he's only shooting 20 percent but I don't feel he's been given a lot of opportunities to be a scorer until recent.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 18, 2011, 11:57:18 pm
Tweet from ESPN Andy Katz: SEC tournament is wide open. Won't be surprised by any team not named LSU, Auburn, Arkansas getting hot for three days and earning the bid.

Ouch.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: bleudog on January 19, 2011, 07:39:33 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 18, 2011, 11:57:18 pm
Tweet from ESPN Andy Katz: SEC tournament is wide open. Won't be surprised by any team not named LSU, Auburn, Arkansas getting hot for three days and earning the bid.

Ouch.

Interesting take from The Sports Economist about conference strength:  CLICK HERE (http://thesportseconomist.com/2011/01/14/sec-west-goes-south/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheSportsEconomist+%28The+Sports+Economist%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo)

Double ouch
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 07:45:11 pm
Is the buzzer @ South Carolina getting under anyone else's epidermis (skin)? I'm expecting a freight train to come rambling down the middle of the court at any time!....LOL

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ken Griffey Jr. on January 19, 2011, 07:55:55 pm
At least we're playing intense tonight, we just have to rebound better.  If we can keep them from getting offensive rebounds we will win.  The officiating is also terrible.  They are inconsistent on both ends.  They were calling ticky-tack fouls on both teams early, and now it seems that SC can get away with murder.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 19, 2011, 07:56:16 pm
Hanging in there.  Got to learn to to win these kind of games away from BWA.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 08:09:09 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 19, 2011, 07:56:16 pm
Hanging in there.  Got to learn to to win these kind of games away from BWA.

Yeah, we are hanging in there, but we can not keep giving USC 2nd and 3rd chance shots. We have got to box out and rebound. The one thing that does worry me a bit is Ellington. The Gamecocks are up by 5 and Ellington has played sparingly and has no points. This dude is averaging 15 points a game. He will play most of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 08:34:40 pm
Nobles is playing lights out offensively and defensively. He has 10 points and 2 steals in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 19, 2011, 08:35:40 pm
56-47 Hogs. This win could sit off a firestorm....

56-49.

I'll wait a bit and put the cart back behind the horse.

56-50  10:25
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 19, 2011, 08:38:00 pm
/hushes
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 08:44:03 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 19, 2011, 08:38:00 pm
/hushes

LOL.... We just need to settle down a bit. USC is bringing the pressure after they convert offensively. We need to make good passes and hit our FT's down the stretch.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 09:07:17 pm
70-70 with :30 seconds to play and the Hogs have the ball. Let's go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 19, 2011, 09:12:48 pm
At the end it looked like Nobles had gone to the Fortson school of how to give away a game. Those drives into the lane ending in a wild sling really brings back some bad memories. Otherwise, he has had a good game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 09:18:41 pm
Bad call!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 19, 2011, 09:21:25 pm
I wonder if Rick Schaeffer is already researching if Arkansas has ever been shut out in an overtime?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 19, 2011, 09:21:30 pm
If Arkansas fans wanted to complain about the officiating down the stretch and in overtime, I wouldn't blame them.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 19, 2011, 09:22:05 pm
Draw up a freaking play coach besides nobles driving
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 19, 2011, 09:22:54 pm
Shut out averted
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 09:24:29 pm
Another bad call!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 19, 2011, 09:25:46 pm
Well, we didn't play well down the stretch, but we got screwed.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 19, 2011, 09:26:57 pm
Bogus TO and no goal tending
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 19, 2011, 09:27:38 pm
We definitely didn't get a break, but we should have closed it in regulation.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on January 19, 2011, 09:28:28 pm
Quote from: HomerHitter on January 19, 2011, 09:25:46 pm
Well, we didn't play well down the stretch, but we got screwed.

^THIS
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 19, 2011, 09:28:56 pm
unbelievable
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 19, 2011, 09:36:47 pm
Well on the bright side at times tonight we actually ran an offense! SEC officiating is horrible but I noticed that when SEC crews are working out of conference games they're not nearly as bad! What's up with that?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 19, 2011, 09:38:04 pm
My cat could've called a better game than the alleged officials assigned to tonight's game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: blue4hire on January 19, 2011, 09:39:52 pm
Where was Pel?  This is why he needs to go.   I don't care about bad officiating, we all know it's going to happen, but for him to just stand there and not defend his team is in-excuseable.  At least get a technical or something.  Some coaches would have to be drug out the arena by security after those calls and Pel is standing there wondering what the in-flight movie is going to be.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 19, 2011, 09:40:57 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 19, 2011, 09:38:04 pm
My cat could've called a better game than the alleged officials assigned to tonight's game.
heck the stuff in the litter box would gavee done a better job
I'm not talking about the litter either
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 19, 2011, 09:41:29 pm
If he'd have got a T, you'd be griping about how that took away our chance to win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 19, 2011, 09:42:16 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 19, 2011, 09:41:29 pm
If he'd have got a T, you'd be griping about how that took away our chance to win.
I doubt they could spell T
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: blue4hire on January 19, 2011, 09:43:22 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 19, 2011, 09:41:29 pm
If he'd have got a T, you'd be griping about how that took away our chance to win.
We didn't have a chance to win when the schedule came out and it said @ South Carolina.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 19, 2011, 09:56:58 pm
Quote from: AB™ on January 19, 2011, 09:21:30 pm
If Arkansas fans wanted to complain about the officiating down the stretch and in overtime, I wouldn't blame them.


Haha, I made this post before OT where Arkansas really got hosed. 

Four calls stuck out to me....

-The play where Wade got knocked down and they called a travel instead of a foul.

-The over and back on Arkansas where the Arkansas player stepped on the half-court line.  Not to mention it was a lose ball that Arkansas never had full possession of. 

-The goaltend that wasn't called even though the ball clearly hit the backboard before a SCar player touched it.

-And obviously where they first called it out on South Carolina only to come back and say Carolina called a timeout instead.  That all came AFTER I made that post.  That was horrible.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 19, 2011, 10:13:12 pm
Its unbelievable how we get screwed by the refs in football and basketball. I would have been happy to see Pelphrey get ejected, that was some BS calls in overtime.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: MA on January 19, 2011, 10:20:41 pm
Pelphrey is awful. Our players are decent but play out of control and cant handle pressure. Clarke might be the best shooter in the country but he cant create his own shot and he runs off of screens like a 6th grade girl. Delvon Johnson, Nobles, and Powell are all good players but we dont run a freakin offense... Its sad to watch games that we could have easily won but we just throw it away with stupidity lol Pelphrey needs to go. And I agree that he should have made it his priority to get thrown out there at the end. At least prove that he cares.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 19, 2011, 10:21:03 pm
It is apparent to this unhappy fan that there was flagrant highway robbery in the officiating of tonight's game.  The officiating had an air of flatulence to it.  I shudder at how bad the officiating will be in Gainesville on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 19, 2011, 10:21:53 pm
Quote from: krik6 on January 19, 2011, 10:20:41 pm
Pelphrey is awful. Our players are decent but play out of control and cant handle pressure. Clarke might be the best shooter in the country but he cant create his own shot and he runs off of screens like a 6th grade girl. Delvon Johnson, Nobles, and Powell are all good players but we dont run a freakin offense... Its sad to watch games that we could have easily won but we just throw it away with stupidity lol Pelphrey needs to go. And I agree that he should have made it his priority to get thrown out there at the end. At least prove that he cares.

I agree with Clarke.  Part of it's coaching, but he is downright awful at running off screens. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 19, 2011, 10:37:14 pm
UGH.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 19, 2011, 11:40:22 pm
After watching the replay it's definitely obvious their were some blown calls, but your giving the refs an opportunity to screw us when you only 2 points in more than 7 minutes.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 19, 2011, 11:53:33 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 19, 2011, 11:40:22 pm
After watching the replay it's definitely obvious their were some blown calls, but your giving the refs an opportunity to screw us when you only 2 points in more than 7 minutes.
It is hard to score when you have a backcourt called, a travel on wade when fouled, a travel on Marshawn when he was pushed under the basket, and a goal tend credited as a block. Nevermind the fact that they stepped on the out of bounds line and the officials gave them a timeout and over ruled the other official. That is 5 possessions they were screwed on in OT alone.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 20, 2011, 12:20:10 am
Its hard to score when you can't run offensive plays effectively, can't rebound, and can't hit free throws down the strech. All five calls were blown, but two of those calls were after missed shots, which is my main point: You give refs the opportunity to decide the game when you can't make baskets.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 20, 2011, 12:58:11 am
Check our 2nd half shooting percentage and tell me we couldn't make baskets.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 20, 2011, 02:09:39 am
Chalked this one up as a loss anyway; be interesting to see how they respond with only two days before a trip to Gainesville and the O-Dome.

I say a repeat of SC happens...Fla will control early, Hogs will battle back, Hogs take control, then try to coast and let up offensively, and end up costing themselves a victory.

That's basically what happens every time on the road.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 20, 2011, 08:31:42 am
Quote from: blue4hire on January 19, 2011, 09:43:22 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 19, 2011, 09:41:29 pm
If he'd have got a T, you'd be griping about how that took away our chance to win.
We didn't have a chance to win when the schedule came out and it said @ South Carolina.

I didn't realize they assigned refs that early.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 20, 2011, 09:19:20 am
Some observations:

-My point about the lack of offensive skill by UA was on full display last night.  Noticed how SC had all kinds of players with the ability to put the ball in the hole .(Most of them freshman and sophs) The kid that was killing us came off the bench!

-Clark is not using screens very well this kid is way quicker than Pat Bradley and Bradley got his shots off.

-Johnson showed some real good post moves he's still limited to about 8 ft from the basket though and I hope I never see that hook shot of his again!

-Pel is gonna have to get Powell to play defense! There's no excuse for it his footwork is way too good he just needs to put in the effort. Powell could easily avg 20pts if wasn't being substituted offense for defense all the game.

-I love Wade's defense if he could get some confidence back in his offense.

-Nobles is improving sometimes gets out of control and fouls too much. He will be the key to getting other players involved in scoring.

-Peterson not sure what's going on with him but he is not playing very well

-Pel finally get that Sanchez should play no more than 8 minutes a game!

-Bryant needs more minutes not because he's that much better than others on the bench but his intensity is missed.

-As ugly and as ineffective as it is Waithe must have the green light to shoot the 3! Maybe he shoots it well in practice but his form is terrible and accuracy is so bad he should be benched when he shoots it!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 20, 2011, 09:51:41 am
Can we go ahead and indefinitely cancel the basketball program?

No sense in having the rotting corpse out for everyone to see.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 20, 2011, 10:08:42 am
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 20, 2011, 09:19:20 am
Some observations:

-My point about the lack of offensive skill by UA was on full display last night.  Noticed how SC had all kinds of players with the ability to put the ball in the hole .(Most of them freshman and sophs) The kid that was killing us came off the bench!

-Clark is not using screens very well this kid is way quicker than Pat Bradley and Bradley got his shots off.

-Johnson showed some real good post moves he's still limited to about 8 ft from the basket though and I hope I never see that hook shot of his again!

-Pel is gonna have to get Powell to play defense! There's no excuse for it his footwork is way too good he just needs to put in the effort. Powell could easily avg 20pts if wasn't being substituted offense for defense all the game.

-I love Wade's defense if he could get some confidence back in his offense.

-Nobles is improving sometimes gets out of control and fouls too much. He will be the key to getting other players involved in scoring.

-Peterson not sure what's going on with him but he is not playing very well

-Pel finally get that Sanchez should play no more than 8 minutes a game!

-Bryant needs more minutes not because he's that much better than others on the bench but his intensity is missed.

-As ugly and as ineffective as it is Waithe must have the green light to shoot the 3! Maybe he shoots it well in practice but his form is terrible and accuracy is so bad he should be benched when he shoots it!

Everything you said is pretty much accurate. Overall, we've improved defensively but that lack of offensive skill is what has hurt us and is the reason we've been 0-3 in overtime games this season. It wouldn't surprise me to see 4 of the freshmen starting next season.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 20, 2011, 07:21:11 pm
Jemal Farmer back with the team. Barring anything else happening, Saturday will be the first time in 26 months that Pelphrey has had a full team. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 21, 2011, 11:30:51 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 20, 2011, 07:21:11 pm
Jemal Farmer back with the team. Barring anything else happening, Saturday will be the first time in 26 months that Pelphrey has had a full team. 
Still won't cure his illness of actually knowing how to coach a team. I can get 5 guys out of Columbia County and beat the Hogs !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 22, 2011, 12:06:51 am
Arkansas finds a way to beat Florida tomorrow. Nothing pretty, but finds a way.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 12:18:07 am
Quote from: DerekOxford on January 22, 2011, 12:06:51 am
Arkansas finds a way to beat Florida tomorrow. Nothing pretty, but finds a way.

Its funny that several people have confidence that we'll beat Florida. Even though we haven't won in Gainesville since 1995.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 07:47:07 pm
Embarrassing!!
We're back in the early 1970s
I hope Pel supporters are happy you're getting what you deserve...  mediocrity
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 08:04:59 pm
That was a rough first half.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 22, 2011, 08:09:12 pm
Can't find the game in Jonesboro. They showing the Grizzlies in FSS. From looking at the score, it's just as well.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 08:16:12 pm
Clank
Clank
Clank
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 08:17:08 pm
16:05 2nd half, 46-21 Florida.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 08:24:32 pm
I feel bad for Rotnei.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 08:27:05 pm
It is more than shameful how far this program has fallen and is falling.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 08:31:55 pm
Time for a movie
Time is too valuable to waste watching this garbage
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on January 22, 2011, 08:34:59 pm
(http://www.photoshopessentials.com/images/type/effects/fire-text/photoshop-fire-text.jpg)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0910/ncb_u_pelphrey_200.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 08:44:19 pm
+1 for RD's post.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 22, 2011, 08:52:58 pm
Following the game on the computer. I've been following Razorback basketball since the days of Duddy Waller. This is as bad as I have ever seen it. I'm not sure Pel should finish the year. He's a heck of a nice guy, but he is above his head at this level.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 08:54:53 pm
I'm at the worst state you could possibly be as a fan. I'm not even angry just sad for the players and the program. If this is what Jeff Long and some fans want the Arkansas program to be than so be it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on January 22, 2011, 08:59:53 pm
The players have quit. Rsvl, I don't care what you say, or how close to the situation you are, the players have quit, they want him gone, the fan base wants him gone, the Razorback foundation wants him gone. No one cares if we lose the recruiting class (most won't make it to campus anyways).

Razorback Basketball is set back 35 years and it will take time, patience to fix this.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 08:59:57 pm
I sure do miss the glory days from 1990-95.  Arkansas basketball was well respected and feared.  We've turned into a laughingstock.  I wonder what Dana Altman must be thinking now?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 22, 2011, 09:01:33 pm
For several years, Orville Henry was the program apologist for the Hogs. Wally Hall was the up-and-coming tell-it-like-it-is. In recent years, he has become the official media apologist. I wonder how he will spin this one. I can see the article now: "Hogs getting close. Need to hit more shots, get more rebounds, play better defense. If they cure those problems, they can make it to the Big Dance."

It's time for the apologies to end. If the basketball program doesn't get a big shake-up, then the AD needs to go. This is bad.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 09:13:06 pm
Sizewise, this team compares to the 1992-93 team that reached the Sweet 16 and barely lost to North Carolina.  Now that team had heart and desire.  I literally cried when that game ended because of how close we came to knocking off the #1 seed out of the East.  I don't care what he says, John Pelphrey has not embraced the program or the history.  However, what he has embraced is apathy, and to this Razorback fan and I would imagine the vast majority of the Razorback fans, that is not acceptable!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 09:14:55 pm
That Dwarf Hall can stick his excuses in a pipe and smoke it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: CACKY on January 22, 2011, 09:18:52 pm
FIRE HIM!  Let's cut our losses and  turn the team over to Rob Evans and start looking for a coach!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 22, 2011, 09:27:30 pm
I don't think the current AD will pull the trigger on Pel. My prediction: We will go 6 - 10 in the conference, lose in the first round of the tournament, miss both the NCAA and NIT and then will give Pel another extension because he has this top class coming next year. They will arrive, be poorly coached, two of them will leave after one year, and he will stay another year because he has another top class waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 22, 2011, 09:44:45 pm
Wow I am not sure what's worst the team or the lack basketball knowledge of some of the fans. If you think tonight's loss was about coaching....ANYTIME this Arkansas team gets on the floor with a talented team this can happen. True this same FL team struggled against Auburn but one can see FL has a lot more talent than Arkansas. It's a repeating theme. This team does not have talent look at the Senior class! Maybe if all the players that left the program or were ran off had stayed...who knows but the bottom line is coaching isn't causing us to lose.

That sweet 16 team mention had future NBA star Corliss Williams and Scotty Thurman on it! There is NOBODY on this team close to having that much talent as either on of those guys! The criticism for Pel should be why there's no talent the X's and O's is just a symptom.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 1-Adam-12 on January 22, 2011, 09:44:55 pm
I barely wasted time on it.  I was on the road and when I heard the score, I listened to a hockey game the rest of the way.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:00:50 pm
I still follow them no matter what. It is not great right but I know it will get better with next year's recruits and if not then with a new coach within 3 years. Either way we will be able to see if Pel can coach talent. If not, Long will be forced to get a new coach and they will have that group for a couple of years.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 10:05:37 pm
Zebra, I call * on that last post.  How can you say that coaching has nothing to do with losing when the coach is the one who recruits the players.  Pelphrey recruited Courtney Fortson(gone after 2 years), Jason Henry(gone after 1 year), Montrell McDonald(gone after 5 games), Andre Clark(gone after 1 year), Brandon Moore(gone after 1 year).  Need I go on?  I am tired of hearing Pelphrey and his assistants tell the fans "Just wait til next year".  As far as that 92-93 team, Corliss was the only McDonalds All American of the two players I mentioned.  There is some talent on this team, but it is not being utlilized the way it should.  As far as my knowledge of the teams and its history, I've watched just a few games over the past 30 years.  Give me just a little credit, and plus, I have every Razorback NCAA/NIT tournament game since 1993 recorded, so I think I have something to contribute to this post.  One last thing..........as Razorback fans and alumni, I think we have every right to be hacked off at the performance of the team.  The fans certainly deserve better than what we saw this evening.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 22, 2011, 10:10:47 pm
There's one thing some people don't understand. It doesn't matter if you have talent, if you have a marginal to below average coach that players don't respect or respond to your going to underachieve every single time.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:21:43 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 08:59:57 pm
I sure do miss the glory days from 1990-95.  Arkansas basketball was well respected and feared.  We've turned into a laughingstock.  I wonder what Dana Altman must be thinking now?

I loved the Hawkins/Shepherd group. I loved the Beck-led group as well. But my preference of eras is the Moncrief/Reed/Walker/Robertson Sutton-led groups. Yes, the Hogs were well-respected in both of those eras. As you can see, I really like hard-working defensive minded guards.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 10:29:05 pm
Rattler, now those guys you mentioned were awesome players.  I still remember the 12 rebound game Hawk had against Holy Cross in the 1993 NCAA Tournament.  I also remember his 21 point performance in the 1992 2nd round game in Milwaukee against Memphis State.  We were never known for being a tall team, but my goodness, we had guards that would out defense and out shoot the other team!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 22, 2011, 10:34:11 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 08:31:55 pm
Time for a movie
Time is too valuable to waste watching this garbage
Should of watched the Tigers beat UAB today.... =)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:34:35 pm
I hope Chosen 1 does not chastise me for having to enjoy discussing those guys in the wake of tonight's poor performance. I loved Hawk. We almost pulled off that upset of Carolina. I have used that analogy with many of the teams I have coached.

Hawkins, Shepherd, Howell, Beck, Mayberry, etc. continued the guard excellence from the previous two decades. Brewer, Delph, Moncrief, Reed, Walker, Robertson, etc. Remember when Robertson took over the SWC tourney that year? The entire team overachieved that week!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: CACKY on January 22, 2011, 10:43:49 pm
wait for next years class--i'm so sick of waiting for next year.  In this instance, you're waiting on one that may not graduate, one that may be in jail, one that needs to  gain 50 lbs and one that a kid  from Jonesboro shut down last night.  If you can't dominate in 6A, how are you gonna scratch in the SEC? 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 10:45:35 pm
Rattler, as far as that Sweet 16 matchup w/ UNC, we were two mental mistakes and one big man away from playing Cincinnati in the East Regional Final.  They weren't superstars, but I always thought that Hawkins and Shepherd were excellent leaders and role models for the younger players like Williamson and Thurman.  Beck was another one that I enjoyed watching.  He left everything out on the floor.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:51:22 pm
Yes. It is hard to explain the value of that leadership. I have seen it at all levels, even the NBA. Got to have it to succeed. Yes, Beck was fun to watch due to the intensity and the savvy. He was the glue.

Who in this group could be glue? Who leaves everything on the floor game in and game out? Who plays above their head regularly? Who provides the leadership daily in practice and in games? It may be Pel's lack of proper recruiting or it may be that they do not have that "it" quality. I, too, worry about his incoming class as well. Madden's behavior is well-documented. Hope he has matured.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 10:55:52 pm
Cacky and Rattler, excellent points!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:58:48 pm
I think the incoming class does have talent. But our teams will have to have those things that the above-mentioned kids had. Many teams have talent. Those intangibles and coaching allow some to rise to the top.  Only time will tell with this group.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 22, 2011, 11:05:39 pm
I've never been more thankful for a snow makeup high school game on a Saturday. Spared me the carnage.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 22, 2011, 11:06:44 pm
I will not watch the farce that is the current state of Razorback basketball until John Pelphrey is no longer the coach of the Arkansas Razorbacks.

I would rather be flogged with a bullnettle whip than watch anymore of that crap. My daughter's 5th grade pee wee team can set a screen (we can't), play better defense and rebound better.

I saw a 6th grade team today that scored more than the Hogs did today. As a fan who has ticket stubs, programs and other memorabilia from three Final Fours, a national title and runner-up, it is absolutely sickening. You couldn't give me season tickets right now. I would rather watch reruns of Barney.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 22, 2011, 11:10:25 pm
Gate, I think that Barney could probably coach our team better.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 11:11:42 pm
While I share Gate's pain, I will continue to watch and cringe then vent to my family. Just think; it might turn out like when Nutt left and we got BP. I watched all of Nutt's games and I will watch Pel's. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HomerHitter on January 22, 2011, 11:36:13 pm
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 11:11:42 pm
While I share Gate's pain, I will continue to watch and cringe then vent to my family. Just think; it might turn out like when Nutt left and we got BP. I watched all of Nutt's games and I will watch Pel's. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.

No, you're a fan and that's what fans do. I never quit going to games during the Jack Crowe/Joe Kines/Danny Ford debacle and if the Hogs falter next year (which I don't expect) I'll still be at every game, home and road. The program is bigger than any one coach. I'm not sure Jeff Long has figured that out yet, but he will. That's why even in HDN's last year, attendance was still strong. Regardless of the off the field problems, fans still showed up. Fans aren't going to the basketball games and it probably takes more of a winner to get those fans out than it does in football. We'll keep pulling for them to get out of this hole and I'll be watching win or lose.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 22, 2011, 11:43:55 pm
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 11:11:42 pm
While I share Gate's pain, I will continue to watch and cringe then vent to my family. Just think; it might turn out like when Nutt left and we got BP. I watched all of Nutt's games and I will watch Pel's. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.
The game wasn't on here tonight. And it was the best thing that could've happened to me.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 23, 2011, 10:10:35 am
On a good night I can drop 43 points on a team by myself. Pel has showed us over the years he can't win in the SEC with the guys he recruits. The program is stuck in a quagmire ! Nolan told us it would be this way.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Rulesman on January 23, 2011, 11:02:16 am
Quote from: fastdrop on January 22, 2011, 10:34:11 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on January 22, 2011, 08:31:55 pm
Time for a movie
Time is too valuable to waste watching this garbage
Should of watched the Tigers beat UAB today.... =)
+1

...and this thread is hilarious, too!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: blue4hire on January 23, 2011, 12:30:05 pm
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 22, 2011, 10:58:48 pm
I think the incoming class does have talent. But our teams will have to have those things that the above-mentioned kids had. Many teams have talent. Those intangibles and coaching allow some to rise to the top.  Only time will tell with this group.
Remember the boxing movie Gladiator from the early 90's?  "Talent is a common thing.  People waste it every day."
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on January 23, 2011, 01:42:32 pm
I just try to keep it in perspective:  I watched my Rattlers when we started the program back in the mid-nineties and we were not very good. Then came the middle part of last decade when we were mired in the midst of the state's longest losing streak. I still went out and cheered those teams. Now we just finished off an undefeated championship season and I still cheered. I am a fan no matter what. I will assess negative stuff and positive stuff but will cheer and support them always.  Pel or new coach....Go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 23, 2011, 02:34:46 pm
There might possibly be more problems with our recruits than just Madden. BJ Young was ejected last night for the second time this month for throwing a punch: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/article_3383c565-72ed-5e57-84a0-160113e544d7.html
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 23, 2011, 02:35:42 pm
I would not wager a penny on his arrival on this campus as an active player.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: CACKY on January 23, 2011, 02:41:04 pm
Attention all UofA students--open tryouts for unused basketball scholarships.  If you can walk and stay out of jail, you, too, can proudly wear the red and white!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 23, 2011, 02:48:36 pm
They've already got one on the roster that could contribute a little more.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 23, 2011, 03:18:40 pm
basketball players do not grow up wanting to be Razorbacks, Tigers, Gaters, Rebels(bears) or even wildcats anymore..... they just want to be billionaires in the pros and have their posse.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 23, 2011, 03:50:09 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on January 23, 2011, 03:18:40 pm
basketball players do not grow up wanting to be Razorbacks, Tigers, Gaters, Rebels(bears) or even wildcats anymore..... they just want to be billionaires in the pros and have their posse.

You for got the multi too's and bling bling. Yo yo grill, lol!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 23, 2011, 03:54:24 pm
Each state needs a semi-pro basketball team .... nobody believes in student basketball athletes anymore. Colleges could use their resources for things that relate to college such as graduating teachers, doctors, engineers etc..etc.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 23, 2011, 04:00:41 pm
Where be dat Reveler kid? You know the hog messiah, lol. Venny would be puttin the smackdown on him.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 23, 2011, 04:06:03 pm
Time to start all over now! Fire the whole staff and tell the team to go fulltime in the classroom the rest of the season. Let the top 15 in the HYPER be on the team and let Scotty Thurman take over.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 24, 2011, 08:30:24 am
Okay, just been sittin back and watching the fiasco...lol. Pel does have a great recruiting class coming in, no doubt about it. But how many will make it to campus before getting in some kind of trouble, how many will get in trouble on campus before the first game and how many will get in trouble before the season is over? Great talented class but some seem to be trouble makers...Madden and Young for sure...

Guys, if you can't seem to see that Pel is not right for this program then you are blind. I have seen nothing positive and this year I have tried to be positive and find some good in this program. Please Mr. A.D., get usw a new B-Ball coach...

I could support this program with Sutton, Nolan and even Heath, but Pel is just flat out a bad coach...hard to support that...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Peety on January 24, 2011, 01:25:10 pm
Dear Heavenly Father, please give us Mike Anderson. Amen
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on January 24, 2011, 02:16:48 pm
Quote from: Peety on January 24, 2011, 01:25:10 pm
Dear Heavenly Father, please give us Mike Anderson. Amen


People need to get this out of their heads. It's just not gonna happen.

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 24, 2011, 04:04:16 pm
Mike wouldn't win this group either! Don't get me wrong Mike is a good coach but for the most part good players make great coaches. Even Coach K wouldn't make us an NCAA team this year.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 24, 2011, 04:58:02 pm
Agreed we just don't have the players. Clarke and his faux hawk need to go home
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 24, 2011, 09:03:41 pm
Quote from: cav2012 on January 24, 2011, 04:58:02 pm
Agreed we just don't have the players. Clarke and his faux hawk need to go home

LOL! Lil boy wonder. He can shoot the rock when he is playing PIG.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ex-HAplayer on January 24, 2011, 09:09:18 pm
Auburn vs Arkansas tommorrow.. Its on!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 24, 2011, 09:13:34 pm
Quote from: Ex-HAplayer on January 24, 2011, 09:09:18 pm
Auburn vs Arkansas tommorrow.. Its on!!
I'd rather watch Arkansas play Auburn in Women's tennis.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ex-HAplayer on January 24, 2011, 09:17:35 pm
lol
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 24, 2011, 09:41:51 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??
It can't get any hotter with out bursting into flames.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 24, 2011, 09:54:59 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??

Auburn is 7-12, 0-5 in conference, and is just as bad as we are in rebounds and scoring. If they beat us tomorrow, Pelphrey should get fired on the spot.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hogsfan4life on January 24, 2011, 10:01:52 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??

I don't think that is possible really.. I think my hometown high school team could beat them on their home floor. Auburn is just that terrible.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 10:05:51 pm
Remember how close Auburn came to beating Florida.  If they come within 5 points of bearing the Gators, just think how bad they could potentially beat the Hogs.  I'm not very confident about our basketball team right now.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 24, 2011, 10:10:37 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 10:05:51 pm
Remember how close Auburn came to beating Florida.  If they come within 5 points of bearing the Gators, just think how bad they could potentially beat the Hogs.  I'm not very confident about our basketball team right now.

Auburn's a horrible shooting and rebounding team. However they can play zone defense very well, which is what kept them close against Florida and what has been a problem for us. If they come out with the same defensive effort and if we are cold in shooting again its going to get interesting.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 24, 2011, 10:31:41 pm
I will not be watching. I meant it when I said I will not watch until Pel is out, or until he grows a brain, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 10:40:10 pm
If we have 8-9,000 in Bud Walton for tomorrow night's game or the next home game, I'd be shocked.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ex-HAplayer on January 25, 2011, 12:01:48 am
Quote from: hogsfan4life on January 24, 2011, 10:01:52 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??

I don't think that is possible really.. I think my hometown high school team could beat them on their home floor. Auburn is just that terrible.

Anything is possible- Kevin Garnett
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 06:50:09 am
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??
The seat can not get any hotter for Pel as far as the fans go. I admire the way Pel is handling all the crap from the fans. I am pulling hard for this guy to turn things around for the Hogs...ofcourse I always pull for the underdog.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 25, 2011, 07:47:05 am
Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 08:15:55 am
Could be wishful thinking but all it takes is a few good players and some lucky breaks and off you go to a good season.

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 09:16:45 am
Quote from: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 06:50:09 am
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??
The seat can not get any hotter for Pel as far as the fans go. I admire the way Pel is handling all the crap from the fans. I am pulling hard for this guy to turn things around for the Hogs...ofcourse I always pull for the underdog.

With the heat Pastner is currently getting at Memphis you should understand the frustration from hog fans.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bogey on January 25, 2011, 09:39:35 am
I'm with Venny on this.  I think Pelphrey is a good guy, and has handled the various issues he's faced the best he could.  However, I don't think he is the man for our program.  I know the so-called coaching philosophy is different, but is this not the same results as we had with Stan Heath?  When has the apathy been this high for our basketball program? 

With that said, who do you think we could get?  Billy Gillespie is available.  Would Tubby Smith be interested?  Any possibility to get Mike Anderson from Missouri?  I forget his name, but the coach from Baylor?   
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 25, 2011, 09:45:08 am
What about the San Diego state coach
...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 10:06:45 am
In my view, top coaching candidates:
1. Mike Anderson - Missouri
2. Scott Drew - Baylor
3. Buzz Williams - Marquette
4. Gregg Marshall - Wichita St
5. Lorenzo Romar - Washington
6. Jamie Dixon - Pittsburgh
7. Tubby Smith - Minnesota
8. Tim Floyd - UTEP
9. Billy Gillispie - out of coaching
10. Doc Sadler - Nebraska
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 10:26:18 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 09:16:45 am
Quote from: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 06:50:09 am
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on January 24, 2011, 09:30:37 pm
What happens if Auburn beats Arkansas tomorrow night?  How hot does the seat get for Pelphrey??
The seat can not get any hotter for Pel as far as the fans go. I admire the way Pel is handling all the crap from the fans. I am pulling hard for this guy to turn things around for the Hogs...ofcourse I always pull for the underdog.

With the heat Pastner is currently getting at Memphis you should understand the frustration from hog fans.
oh I do ... I have been a good fan and kept a few things about the Tigers to myself. Ocassionally I do get some inside information on what is going on over there. I have a friend who is very well connected to the basketball situation and let me just say this..... Basketball players attitudes (me..me...me..and my) are getting worse by the second and coaches are expected to try and deal with the knuckleheads.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 25, 2011, 12:31:54 pm
I agree FD about attitudes and Pel is getting blamed for a lot of stuff that is up to the players. On the other hand he is paid well to deal with attitudes and so far Pel hasn't showed he knows how. I tried to tell everyone last year that Fortson was not the problem he may or may not have helped.... Until Pel gets and retains more talent we will struggle.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 04:43:04 pm
Vegas has us a 14.5 point favorite against Auburn. No way we should lose tonight.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on January 25, 2011, 05:42:38 pm
I'm at the point with the Basketball Team where they should be made to work at Walmart after school. Because practice isn't making them better. They're just a horrible shooting team. Besides Clark & Powell the rest of those guys couldn't shoot a horse at point blank range with a shotgun ! None of them have confidence in their shots because they can't shoot. They have no clue where that ball is headed once it leaves their hands. Not one player on Arkansas's team could play for Duke. Coach K would be like "son when you learn to actually shoot the ball and play defense I'll take a look at you".
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ken Griffey Jr. on January 25, 2011, 05:55:35 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on January 25, 2011, 05:42:38 pm
I'm at the point with the Basketball Team where they should be made to work at Walmart after school. Because practice isn't making them better. They're just a horrible shooting team. Besides Clark & Powell the rest of those guys couldn't shoot a horse at point blank range with a shotgun ! None of them have confidence in their shots because they can't shoot. They have no clue where that ball is headed once it leaves their hands. Not one player on Arkansas's team could play for Duke. Coach K would be like "son when you learn to actually shoot the ball and play defense I'll take a look at you".

FWIW, Clarke hasn't hit anything as of late either.  He can't get himself open.  And this isn't all on Pel, either.  Watch Clarke run off a screen tonight, he leaves plenty of room for the defender to fight through with ease.  He was 0-3 shooting against Florida, 1-7 against South Carolina, and 1-7 against LSU.  I know Pel isn't lighting the world on fire with his coaching, but its not like Rotnei Clarke is helping our situation out.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 25, 2011, 08:51:41 pm
The Bad News Hogs .... My second time to get to watch them. The whole place  reminds me of the living dead.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 5.0forty on January 25, 2011, 09:18:51 pm
final?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 09:44:14 pm
geez, Auburn sucks. 0-22 shooting in the second half. Just one point scored since halftime.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 25, 2011, 10:13:44 pm
Was there a game tonight? lol! Just saw the last painful 2 minutes of the game-horrible but a win. Must have been 3000 people there? Maybe less, you could hear babies crying in the background, lol!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: CACKY on January 25, 2011, 10:30:45 pm
Did you hear what that doofus color analyst Jason Williams said---compared Rotnei to Allen Iverson---unbelievable!!  They both play basketball--that's where it ends.  That's like calling me Don Tyson because I can fry chicken!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 11:03:47 pm
Quote from: CACKY on January 25, 2011, 10:30:45 pm
Did you hear what that doofus color analyst Jason Williams said---compared Rotnei to Allen Iverson---unbelievable!!  They both play basketball--that's where it ends.  That's like calling me Don Tyson because I can fry chicken!

He didn't exactly compare Iverson and Clarke. He only compared both by size. He said Iverson was the best at creating his own shot for his height.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: CACKY on January 25, 2011, 11:18:46 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 11:03:47 pm
Quote from: CACKY on January 25, 2011, 10:30:45 pm
Did you hear what that doofus color analyst Jason Williams said---compared Rotnei to Allen Iverson---unbelievable!!  They both play basketball--that's where it ends.  That's like calling me Don Tyson because I can fry chicken!

He didn't exactly compare Iverson and Clarke. He only compared both by size. He said Iverson was the best at creating his own shot for his height.
they shouldn't be mentioned in the same conversation
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 7AFball on January 25, 2011, 11:28:55 pm
(1) rumor in NW Arkansas is that Rot. Clarke and his sister are transferring to Gonzaga I think the rumor says. This supposedly was confirmed from deep within the Clarke family.

(2) I heard the at least two of the 'big 4' recruits of Pel said they will still come to Arkansas even if Pel is fired. Two others said they might NOT come if Pel stays... They all a4 are hearing he can not coach and does NOT use his assistants to help coach the players.

(3) Pel did not call timeout to stop the bleeding when we went from 24 points up to just a 9 point lead with 2 minutes to go. Again, no crashing the boards ( Auburn got 7 rebounds on one possession and finally scored, though it lowered their FG % down to 28% at the time!)

(4) Clarke wastes too much time trying to get open and lacks the extra 2 inches to really be a good 3FG shooter this year. He is worse now than at any time in his first two years.

(5) Johnson has no shot except a slam dunk, all others go everywhere except in the basket. He looked good against the first 10 patsies we played.. AR proves nothing by loading up on the easy ones and with only 3000 in the stands, makes no concession money, and does not prepare us for the SEC season.

(6) Word I hear is that the NIT is not an option for Mr. Long, the funky AD up there. If no NCAA lucky bid, expect Pel to be gone. Replacement?  Mike Anderson, Sadler or (the best choice) Tubbs.. He KNOWS the SEC and would love to return.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on January 26, 2011, 12:24:33 am
1)  False
2) Source?
3) Agreed
4) Not his fault his teammates are terrible at setting good screens and that only Powell is the only other legitimate offensive threat.
5) Agreed
6) Anderson doubtful; please not Sadler, Tubby would take for sure.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:42 am
YOU ARE NOT GETTING MIKE ANDERSON... there is no way in Hades he goes from Missou to Arkansas right now.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 26, 2011, 08:34:18 am
Breaking News...Rumor has it that since Pel was able to beat Auburn at home and get his SEC record to .500 he will recive a 5 year contract extension today...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on January 26, 2011, 09:08:09 am
Pel's contract was not rolled over last year to keep it on 4 years. So, if it is not rolled this year, then the U of A only has to buy out two years. Smart move. Why does a university always have to have the coach with a 4 and 5 year contract and not let it wind down to 2-3 years at times like this?

I doubt an extension will ever happen with Pel's contract with this kind of continuing low crowd turnout and unpredictable team to cheer for. The mental frustration is setting in for many big dollar donors ...  I also heard that Long would not settle for an NIT bid, as happened to Heath when the team and he declined an NIT berth a few years ago. And, this team can not win the SEC tournament since I don't think they will win 4 straight again this year, maybe not even 3.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 26, 2011, 09:29:09 am
Jeff Long seems like he's too much of a money AD too let the attendance and fan interest slip further. If we finish with another sub-par record, I would be surprised if Long didn't fire Pelphrey. In my opinion, no signing class is good enough to keep a coach if he has been unsatisfactory. It didn't keep nolan from getting tossed in 2002.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: blue4hire on January 26, 2011, 11:00:56 am
Quote from: HSFBF on January 26, 2011, 09:08:09 am
Pel's contract was not rolled over last year to keep it on 4 years. So, if it is not rolled this year, then the U of A only has to buy out two years. Smart move. Why does a university always have to have the coach with a 4 and 5 year contract and not let it wind down to 2-3 years at times like this?

I doubt an extension will ever happen with Pel's contract with this kind of continuing low crowd turnout and unpredictable team to cheer for. The mental frustration is setting in for many big dollar donors ...  I also heard that Long would not settle for an NIT bid, as happened to Heath when the team and he declined an NIT berth a few years ago. And, this team can not win the SEC tournament since I don't think they will win 4 straight again this year, maybe not even 3.
They were ducking UALR in the NIT a few years ago.  They won't have to worry about it this year.  This team couldn't qualify for 5A state in Alma, let alone the NIT or NCAA's.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 26, 2011, 11:13:05 am
Quote from: blue4hire on January 26, 2011, 11:00:56 am
Quote from: HSFBF on January 26, 2011, 09:08:09 am
Pel's contract was not rolled over last year to keep it on 4 years. So, if it is not rolled this year, then the U of A only has to buy out two years. Smart move. Why does a university always have to have the coach with a 4 and 5 year contract and not let it wind down to 2-3 years at times like this?

I doubt an extension will ever happen with Pel's contract with this kind of continuing low crowd turnout and unpredictable team to cheer for. The mental frustration is setting in for many big dollar donors ...  I also heard that Long would not settle for an NIT bid, as happened to Heath when the team and he declined an NIT berth a few years ago. And, this team can not win the SEC tournament since I don't think they will win 4 straight again this year, maybe not even 3.
They were ducking UALR in the NIT a few years ago.  They won't have to worry about it this year.  This team couldn't qualify for 5A state in Alma, let alone the NIT or NCAA's.

Pretty sure it'd be tough for them to win state in 1A as bad as they have have looked in the game's i've seen them play...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 26, 2011, 02:04:50 pm
How I wish Arkansas basketball was back to these days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz_LS9Evr00
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 26, 2011, 09:41:27 pm
Quote from: Romeo on January 26, 2011, 02:04:50 pm
How I wish Arkansas basketball was back to these days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz_LS9Evr00

Dude, you are killing me! What great memories!! Gosh I miss those days. We look like a real team inside, outside, passing, rebounding, shooting, coaching, fire in their eyes......

Go Hogs!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 27, 2011, 03:19:36 am
I saw the game. Pel is a nice guy.

I admit as bad as I hate to. I think he needs to go.... :-\
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 27, 2011, 11:29:45 am
Quote from: Romeo on January 25, 2011, 10:06:45 am
In my view, top coaching candidates:
1. Mike Anderson - Missouri   locked at Mizzou
2. Scott Drew - Baylor    locked at Baylor, saved the program and they'd have to 0fer to consider letting him go
3. Buzz Williams - Marquette
4. Gregg Marshall - Wichita St
5. Lorenzo Romar - Washington
6. Jamie Dixon - Pittsburgh
7. Tubby Smith - Minnesota  likely not going anywhere
8. Tim Floyd - UTEP
9. Billy Gillispie - out of coaching
10. Doc Sadler - Nebraska
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on January 27, 2011, 08:04:56 pm
Drew is a bonafide cheater and his day with the NCAA will mark him taboo for any program worth their salt.

Pass.

Open your eyes for Tubby Smith.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on January 27, 2011, 08:08:04 pm
Quote from: B.G. on January 27, 2011, 08:04:56 pm
Drew is a bonafide cheater and his day with the NCAA will mark him taboo for any program worth their salt.

Pass.

Open your eyes for Tubby Smith.

Now Tubby got some fire in the belly!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on January 27, 2011, 08:11:14 pm
I like steve fisher
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ken Griffey Jr. on January 28, 2011, 12:33:15 am
Another one that I saw get brought up was Gregg Marshall from Wichita State.  I know he is another up and comer, but he has done pretty well at WSU.  I have relatives in Wichita and I go up there quite a bit and have been able to see them play.  They are a very solid team.  Also, they beat LSU in Louisiana (It was in Bossier City, LA and not in Baton Rouge, so technically not a home LSU game).
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 28, 2011, 04:31:45 pm
SEC-East RPI rankings as of Friday:
Kentucky 11
Florida 14
Vanderbilt 17
Tennessee 19
Georgia 44
South Carolina 85

SEC-West RPI rankings as of Friday:
Ole Miss 77
Arkansas 107
Alabama 132
LSU 177
Miss. St 182
Auburn 311
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 28, 2011, 11:18:10 pm
Making proof, the west is very mediocre.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 29, 2011, 06:01:14 pm
Best half of basketball I seen Arkansas play all season. Hogs lead Vandy 43-36.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 29, 2011, 06:25:57 pm
Sanchez career high 16 points.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 29, 2011, 06:27:43 pm
This is one of the better games of basketball I've seen Arkansas play in the last three seasons.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 29, 2011, 06:27:58 pm
Where did this Hog team come from??????????  I am lovin it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ken Griffey Jr. on January 29, 2011, 06:37:00 pm
This is incredible.  Sanchez has 18.  Hogs up 14 with 10 left.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 29, 2011, 06:55:41 pm
Come on hogs. This doesn't look like a team that has "giving up on pel"
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 29, 2011, 07:11:39 pm
Big win for the hogs. They played like a real team and one with chemistry. There is still hope.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on January 29, 2011, 07:14:12 pm
Um wow
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 29, 2011, 07:18:44 pm
^meaning??
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 29, 2011, 07:32:35 pm
I can't believe Vandy let Sanchez score 20 points on them! 4 of the next 5 at home ...maybe spring football practice can wait?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 29, 2011, 07:41:37 pm
Career game for Pelphrey. 14.5 point underdog, 5-27 record on the road team beating the 19th ranked team in the country by 11 points.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 29, 2011, 07:43:11 pm
That was the best hog basketball all year ZD. I'm proud of guys for coming out and playing hard for their team, state, and coach. Let's build off this true quality win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 29, 2011, 07:52:46 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on January 29, 2011, 07:43:11 pm
That was the best hog basketball all year ZD. I'm proud of guys for coming out and playing hard for their team, state, and coach. Let's build off this true quality win.


That was the best performance Arkansas has played in three years under Pelphrey.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on January 29, 2011, 08:23:44 pm
Agreed!!!  Where in the world did this come from?  Rotnei Clarke couldn't miss, Vandy couldn't rebound and a guy who was averaging 2.1 ppg scored 20 on the #19 ranked team in the country.  All I can say is "wow!".  Let's hope this game is an indicator of how the Hogs can play the 2nd half of the conference and not just a fluke game. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on January 30, 2011, 07:14:24 am
The west showed up the east yesterday.... good day.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 10:23:58 am
Funny how all the "die hard passionate hog basketball fans" aren't here saying congrats to their team for their win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on January 30, 2011, 11:56:52 am
Quote from: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 10:23:58 am
Funny how all the "die hard passionate hog basketball fans" aren't here saying congrats to their team for their win.
The reason might be that one "miracle game" result does not mean that all things are well on the hill and on a definite better track to good things. We all have seen one great game followed by lackluster play and an over-all losing record from that one or two game, seemingly great, stretch.. We just have to wait and see how this game really figures into a newly found team effort for another 5 weeks.
   Bottom line, win 18-20 games, get to the NCAA after a really good SEC tournament and hopefully win just one game at the big dance. An AR seeding would be about 14-15 at best and therefore playing a #2 or  3 seeded regional powerhouse team. Lets just see how we do in the other "road games" remaining. I do not think we can play as "hot" as we did last night with us winning the boards, having a high FG %, giving up so few turnovers and having a great inside game, including Clarke's floater short shots. Overall, one of the best  games I have seen us play in about 6 years~
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 01:32:19 pm
I understand completely. This is a rallying point for us as fans. Get behind this team.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 30, 2011, 09:23:53 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on January 30, 2011, 11:56:52 am
Quote from: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 10:23:58 am
Funny how all the "die hard passionate hog basketball fans" aren't here saying congrats to their team for their win.
The reason might be that one "miracle game" result does not mean that all things are well on the hill and on a definite better track to good things. We all have seen one great game followed by lackluster play and an over-all losing record from that one or two game, seemingly great, stretch.. We just have to wait and see how this game really figures into a newly found team effort for another 5 weeks.
   Bottom line, win 18-20 games, get to the NCAA after a really good SEC tournament and hopefully win just one game at the big dance. An AR seeding would be about 14-15 at best and therefore playing a #2 or  3 seeded regional powerhouse team. Lets just see how we do in the other "road games" remaining. I do not think we can play as "hot" as we did last night with us winning the boards, having a high FG %, giving up so few turnovers and having a great inside game, including Clarke's floater short shots. Overall, one of the best  games I have seen us play in about 6 years~

What makes you think the tourney committee would seed an at large in the 14-15 range?  They get in and they are a 8-12.  The lower seeds are reserved for the small autoqual schools.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 30, 2011, 09:36:52 pm
Quote from: redwolf143 on January 30, 2011, 09:23:53 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on January 30, 2011, 11:56:52 am
Quote from: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 10:23:58 am
Funny how all the "die hard passionate hog basketball fans" aren't here saying congrats to their team for their win.
The reason might be that one "miracle game" result does not mean that all things are well on the hill and on a definite better track to good things. We all have seen one great game followed by lackluster play and an over-all losing record from that one or two game, seemingly great, stretch.. We just have to wait and see how this game really figures into a newly found team effort for another 5 weeks.
   Bottom line, win 18-20 games, get to the NCAA after a really good SEC tournament and hopefully win just one game at the big dance. An AR seeding would be about 14-15 at best and therefore playing a #2 or  3 seeded regional powerhouse team. Lets just see how we do in the other "road games" remaining. I do not think we can play as "hot" as we did last night with us winning the boards, having a high FG %, giving up so few turnovers and having a great inside game, including Clarke's floater short shots. Overall, one of the best  games I have seen us play in about 6 years~

What makes you think the tourney committee would seed an at large in the 14-15 range?  They get in and they are a 8-12.  The lower seeds are reserved for the small autoqual schools.

Not always Georgia was a 14 seed 2 years ago...but then again that was the year they put together a miracle run in the S.E.C tournament wasn't it?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on January 30, 2011, 09:43:43 pm
Quote from: HF on January 30, 2011, 09:36:52 pm
Quote from: redwolf143 on January 30, 2011, 09:23:53 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on January 30, 2011, 11:56:52 am
Quote from: AirWarren on January 30, 2011, 10:23:58 am
Funny how all the "die hard passionate hog basketball fans" aren't here saying congrats to their team for their win.
The reason might be that one "miracle game" result does not mean that all things are well on the hill and on a definite better track to good things. We all have seen one great game followed by lackluster play and an over-all losing record from that one or two game, seemingly great, stretch.. We just have to wait and see how this game really figures into a newly found team effort for another 5 weeks.
   Bottom line, win 18-20 games, get to the NCAA after a really good SEC tournament and hopefully win just one game at the big dance. An AR seeding would be about 14-15 at best and therefore playing a #2 or  3 seeded regional powerhouse team. Lets just see how we do in the other "road games" remaining. I do not think we can play as "hot" as we did last night with us winning the boards, having a high FG %, giving up so few turnovers and having a great inside game, including Clarke's floater short shots. Overall, one of the best  games I have seen us play in about 6 years~

What makes you think the tourney committee would seed an at large in the 14-15 range?  They get in and they are a 8-12.  The lower seeds are reserved for the small autoqual schools.

Not always Georgia was a 14 seed 2 years ago...but then again that was the year they put together a miracle run in the S.E.C tournament wasn't it?

Yeah, the only reason they got seeded that low is because they weren't sniffing an at large bid before winning the SEC tourney.  The lowest I've ever seen an at large "power conference" school seeded was 12th.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 30, 2011, 10:13:31 pm
Arkansas has to win the SEC tournament to make the NCAA tourney. They won't be able to get an at large bid.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on January 30, 2011, 10:40:14 pm
If they were to win out that would put them at 23-6, 13-3 in conf play...it would include wins over Kentucky, UGA and Vandy. IMO that would put them in.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on January 31, 2011, 12:00:29 am
Okay...so i'm behind on college ball this year, but why is everyone so high on georgia? They are 14-6(3-4) and dead last in the east.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on January 31, 2011, 09:49:45 am
Quote from: gatecrasher on January 30, 2011, 10:40:14 pm
If they were to win out that would put them at 23-6, 13-3 in conf play...it would include wins over Kentucky, UGA and Vandy. IMO that would put them in.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Even with losing 2 more they would be 21-8, 11-5  in conf with a few CT wins over some east schools they could get in.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: zebradynasty on January 31, 2011, 12:06:17 pm
Whoa folks! Who said anything about the NCAA's? The Vandy victory was sweet and badly needed. Did anyone ever take time to really look at why Arkansas was so successful against this Vandy team? Vandy had some skilled perimeter players with size but they are not near as athletic as say Florida. Arkansas will continue to struggle scoring against teams with large athletic perimeter players. That short 3 guard lineup is going to be problem for the rest of the year. Does anyone really think that Sanchez is going to be a second scoring option in the paint? I am glad that they are at least playing better but this is NOT an NCAA team not enough talent or coaching to overcome their many weaknesses (poor shooting, poor rebounding, poor on the ball defense...!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on January 31, 2011, 12:09:55 pm
Quote from: zebradynasty on January 31, 2011, 12:06:17 pm
Whoa folks! Who said anything about the NCAA's? The Vandy victory was sweet and badly needed. Did anyone ever take time to really look at why Arkansas was so successful against this Vandy team? Vandy had some skilled perimeter players with size but they are not near as athletic as say Florida. Arkansas will continue to struggle scoring against teams with large athletic perimeter players. That short 3 guard lineup is going to be problem for the rest of the year. Does anyone really think that Sanchez is going to be a second scoring option in the paint? I am glad that they are at least playing better but this is NOT an NCAA team not enough talent or coaching to overcome their many weaknesses (poor shooting, poor rebounding, poor on the ball defense...!
Spot on post...+1
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on January 31, 2011, 12:12:01 pm
Arkansas now 82 in the newest RPI. SOS is 118.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on January 31, 2011, 04:14:02 pm
People that've seen Sanchez in practice have been telling me all year that he tears it up in practice and it was just a matter of time til he finally broke through in a game.

It was nice to finally get pressure off of Rot and let him do what he does best.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: theHammer on January 31, 2011, 08:11:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 31, 2011, 04:14:02 pm
People that've seen Sanchez in practice have been telling me all year that he tears it up in practice and it was just a matter of time til he finally broke through in a game.

It was nice to finally get pressure off of Rot and let him do what he does best.
I've actually heard the same thing, and was a little skeptical. I've always known he was a key to this team's success, but I could never figure out how. If he keeps playing like he did Saturday, we might start seeing some consistency out of this team. Especially if Marshawn is allowed to play farther away from the basket.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on February 01, 2011, 12:21:20 am
Quote from: theHammer on January 31, 2011, 08:11:45 pm
Quote from: Chosen 1 on January 31, 2011, 04:14:02 pm
People that've seen Sanchez in practice have been telling me all year that he tears it up in practice and it was just a matter of time til he finally broke through in a game.

It was nice to finally get pressure off of Rot and let him do what he does best.
I've actually heard the same thing, and was a little skeptical. I've always known he was a key to this team's success, but I could never figure out how. If he keeps playing like he did Saturday, we might start seeing some consistency out of this team. Especially if Marshawn is allowed to play farther away from the basket.
Powell needs to get over himself.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 01, 2011, 12:27:13 am
Please please please do not let a single game by MS after all this time lead you down the happy trail.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 01, 2011, 08:18:47 am
If our season rests in the hands of MS we might as well pack it in now... ::)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on February 01, 2011, 09:54:14 pm
Ole Miss beats Kentucky 71-69 on a last second 3.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 01, 2011, 09:58:37 pm
^ Wow. Anything can happen on any given night in basketball.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on February 01, 2011, 10:44:50 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 01, 2011, 09:58:37 pm
^ Wow. Anything can happen on any given night in basketball.

Especially in conference play on the road.  A ranked team losing a conference game on the road is less than surprising.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 01, 2011, 10:54:24 pm
Chris Warren and Rotnei are about the same height. Warren is faster but Ole Miss seems to be able to set up screens better for Warren than Arkansas does with Clarke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnYquTyOeg
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 02, 2011, 09:12:29 pm
What channel is the game on
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 02, 2011, 09:15:33 pm
Not on tv I don't think. ESPN3 is streaming it online.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 02, 2011, 09:56:07 pm
http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?gameId=310330008&league=ncaam&size=condensed

Better hurry.  Tied with 20 Sec left
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 02, 2011, 09:57:55 pm
That was a freaking TRAVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 02, 2011, 09:58:58 pm
Goodness gracious, how do they not call a travel on that last possession?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 02, 2011, 10:02:06 pm
Bummer finish.  Good game.  Lose by one and Vegas was right on the money with GA(-1.5).  Sanchez returned to normalcy.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 02, 2011, 10:02:12 pm
OMG. We played so hard to have the outcome of the game come down to that.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on February 02, 2011, 10:02:38 pm
That game was complete BS.

That was clearly a travel on Georgia's last possession and the ball was coming off the rim on that violation.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 02, 2011, 10:06:36 pm
You can't even call a foul on that BS desperation shot. I'm sick and tired of getting screwed by the refs.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 02, 2011, 10:08:37 pm
OMFG the same ref who made that call was the same one during the South Carolina game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: spoof1530 on February 02, 2011, 10:10:18 pm
It's time for the BS calls or non calls to stop. Jeff Long needs to express his frustration to the commissioner with a quick kick to his buttocks. At the very least, only screw us on the road. When we are at home, we should get the calls 100% of the time. I guess after all of these years in the SEC, we still haven't paid our dues to the good ole boys wearing the stripes. That lack of a call makes me sick!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 02, 2011, 10:12:31 pm
It is very disgusting to have it decided like that. I cannot stand a game coming down to that especially after a stellar 2nd half performance.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 02, 2011, 10:24:02 pm
(http://englishfromfriends.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hosed.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 02, 2011, 10:53:06 pm
The USS Pelphrey continues to burn and sink slowly into the sea !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on February 03, 2011, 01:06:39 pm
   As I said in a post here 4 days ago, the Vandy game proved nothing and that time would tell if the team turned the corner and righted the ship... Well, again, lack of rebounding, POOR free throw shooting by Marshawn and especially Delvon, not protecting the lane by Georgia's driving guards, missing 3 point blank layups after making a good move (Powell), touching a ball inside the cylinder that was called off and the shot would have been good anyway and fumbling the rebound out of bounds TWICE by unsure hands (Delvon J) etc.. You get the picture :  TOO MANY areas of mistakes and some players not showing up each game to play. Georgia traveled for 20 hours to get to Arkansas and were tired, whereas we slept in our own beds and came out like lazy, tired players for some reason...
   Pelphrey prooves once again he can NOT stop the bleeding or call plays that will work. Sanchez returns to "normal"... bad bad bad. Rotnei could not get open, despite practicing on a new system to get it done.. Again, one game against Vandy proved nothing in the long term scheme of things.  Where was the rebounding position we had at Vandy and the great free throw shooting? Gone !   Same as Pelphrey should be at season's end. The players do not respect his coaching ability and it shows in the huddle and lack of attention while he is talking. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 05, 2011, 05:13:39 pm
another great start ::)

getting killed on the boards

    another non-surprise 5 seconds left in the half and we don't even manage a shot attempt
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 06:00:18 pm
Imagine Marshawn Powell on a good team? He reminds me some of a solid player in Derek Hood back in the 90's.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 05, 2011, 06:37:13 pm
You know refs Sanchez wouldn't have had swing his elbows if you'd call the foul  right off instead of letting the player ride his back
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 06:38:49 pm
Ole Miss looks like Duke out there against us. Too many easy baskets underneath.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 05, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Rebounding achillies heel all season.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 05, 2011, 06:54:02 pm
Shot clock running down and we let them have a wide open layup
The recruits excuse doesn't fly so the two Pel supporters need to hush
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 07:03:43 pm
Really, Really nice. One second on the shot clock and we give  a wide open 3 look and Ole Miss drains it. Bet we start fouling the 94% free throw guy for the Rebs.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 07:04:23 pm
Quote from: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 07:03:43 pm
Really, Really nice. One second on the shot clock and we give  a wide open 3 look and Ole Miss drains it. Bet we start fouling the 94% free throw guy for the Rebs.

LOL! We did and he just hit 2 more freebies!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 07:04:57 pm
Sorry! But booooooooooooo............
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 05, 2011, 07:08:45 pm
Few boos being heard after the game was over.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 05, 2011, 07:55:04 pm
This picture pretty much says it all: http://www.fanfeedr.com/ncaa-basketball/2011/02/06/arkansas-guard-marcus-britt-12-reacts-in-the-final-minutes-of-an
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on February 05, 2011, 07:59:32 pm
Here I am back posting about our horrible coaching and lackluster players.
(1)  Mr. Delvon  misses FIVE point blank layup, slam dunks and the kicker to me is that with 5 minutes to go an Ole Miss player pulls up from 12 feet away and Delvon does NOT even put up an arm and hand or attempts to jump in his face. An uncontested 2 point FG. No hussle and why is he constantly "sniffing" and wiping his nose? Surely a cold would have disappeared in the past 6 weeks!
(2) Marshawn, as well as some think he played tonight, missed 3 back ends of 1 and 1 FT situations, got stuffed 4 times, missed 3 easy layups and did NOT play good defense. He just is not the same player as last year.
(3) Sanchez missed the back end of 3 one and one situations (sound familiar? Read #1 and #2) and made no FGs and was out of RB position most of the night.
(4) Ole Miss drove the lane and baseline SIX times UNcontested and made all the shots.
(5) the CROWNING blow to me was late in the game with us having three players under the Ole Miss goal and one of their players knocked the ball out of bounds but before the ball hits the floor, the player leaps out of bounds and in the air flips the ball back inbounds to the ONLY Ole Miss under the basket who puts it in the basket. Our 3 guys were just standing there!! Would I lie  to you!!???
(6) Pel in the post  game interview only says Ole Miss played well but did NOT mention the MANY areas of complete letdown by the Razorbacks. Why? Afraid to offend the players? No, he is afraid of pointing out HIS inability to coach the players on what they are doing wrong.
(7) I STILL see the lack of interest by the players in what Coach Pel is saying on the sidelines or in the timeout huddle. To think our record could have been 16 and 6 with a win today and earlier this week. TWO straight home losses and we are a "has been" in the weak West SEC with 7 games to go and were undefeated at home until this week.
(8) I heard just today that Pel's contract has been extended two years recently. Can anyone verify this?! If so,then  LONG needs to be fired too!!!!! He has done nothing to earn the contract entension.
(9)  MANY boos after the game and a few when Pel was announced pregame. Nice guy but can not coach at the SEC level.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 7AFball on February 05, 2011, 08:58:47 pm
I saw the game and agree with HSFBF completely! I just do not see any sustained improvement in this team . Playing a patsy schedule early on Arkansas's home court and having a lucky win at Vandy proves nothing about the validity of this being a good team. The record of losses speaks for itself, to whom and how it happened. Even the blowouts at TX and FL should have been closer games. The new players coming in will not all be starters and I doubt will be developed into very good players during the first 2 years. So we are to wait until 2014 to see a potentially good team? And how do you reload from losing Clarke, Powell and current Sophomores during that time? Are these 4 new players next year going to be the "fab four" and do it all alone for 4 years? I think not. The whole year this year and outlook into next year is sickening to any BB fan who continues to try and make excuses, game after game. Finally you give up, like many of the players have. Marshaun Powell has no energy and you can see the disgust on Rotnei's face about the whole scenario! That is my one post on the matter.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 05, 2011, 09:21:20 pm
**********WARNING: THREATCON DELTA**********

Bud Walton below. Flee from the blast effect- Poor Basketball play fallout!

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa183/stoagmeyer/explosion.gif)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on February 05, 2011, 09:53:20 pm
The debacle continues.

Told everyone who was high after the Vandy win that they were indeed high if they thought that this team was gonna do anything to build off of it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 7AFball on February 07, 2011, 12:38:30 pm
I heard the rumor from a different source the Rotnei Clark was seriously considering leaving after this year. This was mentioned by another poster about 2 weeks ago and may be some merit to the rumor. I know his dad if really disconcerted about the situation, especially considering the "conference" with Pelphrey immediately after last season. Standing by. Seems like a trend of sorts, some players coming in and others leaving every year and counting against Arkansas' graduation rate ... very low and not pleasing to Long and the Board of Trustees. Seems like a better job should be done on the recruiting end to see who has good character and work ethics in school and not be a "ME" and "I" player. We have 3 of those now, maybe more.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on February 07, 2011, 04:02:53 pm
Some people are going to have to leave after this year other than the 1 or 2 seniors Arkansas has if they want to get all of the 2011 class on the team.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 07, 2011, 04:11:03 pm
Were one over the scholarship limit. I'm not sure who will leave but I hope its Sanchez.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 03:13:46 pm
Hogs at Mississippi State tonight. Arkansas has lost ten straight in Starkville and are 0-12 on the road in the second half of SEC play under Pelphrey. However, Miss. St will be without their leading scorer Ravern Johnson due to suspension.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: eagle-fan on February 09, 2011, 03:16:25 pm
It won't be  Sanchez. If like in past years, Pelphrey will run off 1-2 players anyway, and 1-2 won't go to class or will "mess up" with getting in with the wrong people or getting a DWI etc. Already proven things that happen to all athletes in most Division I schools. Pel just has more than his fair share of "bad apples" it seems.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 09, 2011, 03:20:24 pm
In a recent development, the local SEC affiliate Channel 40/29 in NWA has decided not to show the Hog game tonight.  Talk about a WOW. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on February 09, 2011, 03:30:52 pm
That is indeed a big WOW!!  Let's see, Ravern Johnson suspended would normally mean a Razorback win, however, some other Bulldog will step up and Mississippi State will probably win by 10-12. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 03:39:22 pm
Quote from: B.G. on February 09, 2011, 03:20:24 pm
In a recent development, the local SEC affiliate Channel 40/29 in NWA has decided not to show the Hog game tonight.  Talk about a WOW. 

Wow. Ive never heard of any TV network in Arkansas choosing not to televise a Razorback game. Even during the Stan Heath days they showed games over LOST.   
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 03:57:29 pm
Another starter will be out for Miss. St. We suck on the road but Mississippi State is the only other team with as much turmoil as Arkansas. With two starters out there's no way we can lose this game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 04:49:43 pm
I'm calling the BS flag on 40/29's excuse for not showing the game. They claim their contractually obligated to show games every weekend plus three primetime games. They chose the Kentucky game over Miss St for the third primetime game. I don't think their telling the whole story.

- The contract is true but their probably not giving the full details. They are obligated to show three primetime games based on the contract but any other game is probably optional for the network and they chose not to air it. Why would ESPN want networks to show less games?

- Both KATV and KAIT abc affiliates are showing the games tonight and they'll likely show the Kentucky game.

- The decision was announced a few hours before gametime which means they more than likely made the decision today not to show it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 09, 2011, 06:04:01 pm
I will not be shocked if Hogs win, but I'm expecting a loss somewhere around 66-53.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 09, 2011, 07:46:17 pm
Hog game on an alternative channel in NWA on Cox.  Channel 4 for those that do not know it.

MSU 31-25 with 1:44 in the half.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 07:52:12 pm
ho hum another dry spell to end the half
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 07:53:44 pm
If pel loses out I just don't see how Long can bring him back. $1.2 mil should get you more than what is going on up there.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: 7AFball on February 09, 2011, 08:17:41 pm
Absolutely misfiring again in several areas of concern. Delvon can not make a FG unless a slam dunk. Any other shot is SO unpredictable and he just loafs down the court, sniffing all the way.. Can a coach not help him with a turnaround jumper or a hook shot or a soft 8 foot jumper?  He has NOTHING unless point blank dunk or a layup, but he misses 50% of them. Peterson, sits  more than he plays, just NOT a good guard tranfer. We waited a year to unveil this guy? My conclusion overall is that this average, at best, team is coached by an average coach with a "do nothing" staff of assistants. The horrible crowds tell you what the fans think. Such apathy!! The worst I have ever seen for a Razorback sport of any kind in 50 years of supporting the U of A. I completely give up if Pelphrey stays because three years of losing seasons is enough to make me just follow football from now on. Saves me season BB tickets.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 08:22:29 pm
at least baseball is only 9 days away
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 08:33:58 pm
I want the last 93 minutes of my life back
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 09, 2011, 08:34:38 pm
This is horrible. Sanchez is the softest basketball player alive.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 08:38:44 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 09, 2011, 08:34:38 pm
This is horrible. Sanchez is the softest basketball player alive.
yeah he's  Broderick Green on  hard wood
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 08:39:17 pm
Down 15 against a ten loss team with two starters out. Excellent.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 09, 2011, 08:39:28 pm
Straight up disgusting.  Man I bet some gamblers have made a heyday betting against the Hogs on road games.  Over time, it's gotta be paying off vs the spread.

Hogs final chance here down 13 with 6:00 to go.

I still can not believe that Sanchez plays this much.  That alone tells me all I need to know.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 08:44:43 pm
brilliant foul on the  terrible lob pass ::)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 08:47:50 pm
trash talking towards Sanchez? LOL
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 09, 2011, 08:54:46 pm
Another lovely Hog Bball production, lol! Just saw a perplexed look on Pel's eyes, LOLX2
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 09, 2011, 08:58:42 pm


Are you kidding Pel? Fouling with 20 seconds left behind 9. Just kill the last seconds and go home. We don't deserve to play in that dump of a hump.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 09, 2011, 09:00:08 pm
I'm suffering a cold and that just multiplied my disgust level x50.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:01:48 pm
Pel needs to skip the post game press conference. I can't imagine anything more he can say.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
Eating yella snow would be more fun than watching another Pel coached game
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:02:43 pm
Except this is my last game and I am stepping down
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:03:20 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
Eating yella snow would be more fun than watching another Pel coached game
root for da Tigers
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:04:09 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:03:20 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
Eating yella snow would be more fun than watching another Pel coached game
root for da Tigers
I'd rather eat  brown snow ;)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:07:21 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:04:09 pm
Quote from: fastdrop on February 09, 2011, 09:03:20 pm
Quote from: Indiana Jones on February 09, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
Eating yella snow would be more fun than watching another Pel coached game
root for da Tigers
I'd rather eat  brown snow ;)
lol...not much to root for there either. But I want a picture or it did not happen.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 09:33:29 pm
Twitter from Jemal Farmer 10 minutes ago: "Bout to be on some sprwell s***! "
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 09, 2011, 09:35:36 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 09, 2011, 09:33:29 pm
Twitter from Jemal Farmer 10 minutes ago: "Bout to be on some sprwell s***! "

They are all staying together in a hotel in Starkville tonight.  I bet they have a blast.  Domestic violence we'll call it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 10, 2011, 06:23:46 am
If the Jet comes back to Fayetteville minus Pel I'd be happy ! Pay the man and show him the door !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 10, 2011, 01:06:58 pm
     Simply put.  This is the lowest the Arkansas BB program has been since before Eddie Sutton in 1978. We thought Nolan's last two years were "bad" at the time because of his decreased fire in his belly and players knowing he would soon be out as Head Coach.
     In Heath's first year and Pelphrey's first year, EACH one inheriting players from the fired coach, both did well that first year. Why??  PLAYER MORAL improved and they player harder, even getting to the NCAA tournament!! They believed in the "new coach" on the block and showed it with more intensity..  What we now have is no faith in the coach. The players would do better next year with a new coach and direction and leadership. Same as happened with Heath and Pelphrey in the first year.  But we need a coach to BUILD a program with good recruiting and then go UPwards each year. Pel just can not get that done and 4 years is enough time to prove it..
    Players to count on with effort : Clarke, Nobles (coming on strong) and Scott (if well), Britt
    Players with talent but not trying consistently :  Powell, Bryant
    Players with ability to improve to a talent : Wade,  Johnson (but a Senior and bad attitude and can't make a FG)
    Players with ability to help, minimal talent : Sanchez, Peterson, Waite

   Others that are too inconsistent to help with a team effort : The rest
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: PIGSKIN JUNKIE on February 10, 2011, 02:27:30 pm
Quote from: fbhound on February 10, 2011, 01:06:58 pm
     Simply put.  This is the lowest the Arkansas BB program has been since before Eddie Sutton in 1978. We thought Nolan's last two years were "bad" at the time because of his decreased fire in his belly and players knowing he would soon be out as Head Coach.
    In Heath's first year and Pelphrey's first year, EACH one inheriting players from the fired coach, both did well that first year. Why??  PLAYER MORAL improved and they player harder, even getting to the NCAA tournament!! They believed in the "new coach" on the block and showed it with more intensity..  What we now have is no faith in the coach. The players would do better next year with a new coach and direction and leadership. Same as happened with Heath and Pelphrey in the first year.  But we need a coach to BUILD a program with good recruiting and then go UPwards each year. Pel just can not get that done and 4 years is enough time to prove it..
    Players to count on with effort : Clarke, Nobles (coming on strong) and Scott (if well), Britt
    Players with talent but not trying consistently :  Powell, Bryant
    Players with ability to improve to a talent : Wade,  Johnson (but a Senior and bad attitude and can't make a FG)
    Players with ability to help, minimal talent : Sanchez, Peterson, Waite

   Others that are too inconsistent to help with a team effort : The rest
I agree, the state of the  Hog BB program is at its lowest since the days(1970-74) of Van Eman, the HC before Sutton. But I have to disagree with you on the similarities of Heaths and Pels first year as the HC at the U of A. In Heath's first year, he inherited a very depleted team from Nolan. Richardson went 14-15 in his last year(2001-02) and Heath went 9-19 in his first year(2002-03). It was a horrible season.

By contrast, Pel took over a pretty solid team from Stan in his first year(2007-08). Stans last 2 teams at UA went 22-10(05-06) and 21-14(06-07), respectively. Pel, in fact, did well in his first season, going 23-12 with Stans "recruits", led by Sonny Weems, P. Beverley, D.Townes, C.Thomas, and G.Ervin.

http://www.hogstats.com/results.php

Bottom line is this, Stan started with less than Pel and the records prove it. Heath always seemed to get more out of his players than what Pel does. I guess we'll get to see how Pel does with a Top 5 class coming in next year.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 11, 2011, 08:27:37 am
Good post Pigskin Junkie.. Yes, I was completely wrong on Heath's first year and stand corrected. Those 20+ wins in those two years by Heath look BIG compared to what Pel has done and will do. Lets see if Mr. Long has the wherewithall to be an AD and does what his objective data and gut feelings tell him to do. We fans know and your comments about decreased boxes sold, decreased attendance and season tickets sold sorta tells it all. Long is as bad as Pel if he does not do something, even BEFORE season's end, but doubt that will happen .  Pel will be left to "play it out".  Unlike Heath, Pel will not see a 20 win season!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 12, 2011, 07:09:17 am
I bet one of Van Emans Hog teams with Martin Terry would beat this bunch of Pels. They are a terrible shooting team.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 12, 2011, 01:35:31 pm
LSU is  freaking  horrible!!

Hogs lead by 18 at the half 40-22
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 12, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
Take away Rotnei's hot hand and this is an even pig mud fest.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on February 12, 2011, 04:12:48 pm
Quote from: InYoGrill on February 12, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
Take away Rotnei's hot hand and this is an even pig mud fest.

That's the case for a lot of teams in the nation in any blowout.  I want a new coach as bad as the next guy, but you can't just discredit a blowout win and say it would be a close game if it wasn't for "so and so" having a hot hand.  That's what you expect from your best players from time to time. 

You can go down the line and look at a lot of teams, and say if "that player didn't have a hot hand, it would have been a much closer game or they would have lost."  It doesn't work like that. 

I know the elite teams are capable of blowing out teams without having one hot hand.  But that doesn't mean you get to discredit a bad team like Arkansas when they blowout someone because their sharpshooter had a hot hand.  He might be the best shooter in the nation.  It's not like him getting hot is a fluke.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 12, 2011, 04:24:02 pm
BJ Young playing right now on ESPNU. Man, he looks just like Todd Day.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AB™ on February 12, 2011, 04:42:38 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 12, 2011, 04:24:02 pm
BJ Young playing right now on ESPNU. Man, he looks just like Todd Day.

Except B.J. Young is 6'2" or 6'3" and Todd Day was 6'6" or 6'7".
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 12, 2011, 05:20:05 pm
Just glad for the win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 12, 2011, 05:27:41 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 12, 2011, 05:20:05 pm
Just glad for the win.
amen.......hopefully will have many more this season
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on February 12, 2011, 06:38:51 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 12, 2011, 09:06:36 pm
Quote from: AB™ on February 12, 2011, 04:12:48 pm
Quote from: InYoGrill on February 12, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
Take away Rotnei's hot hand and this is an even pig mud fest.

That's the case for a lot of teams in the nation in any blowout.  I want a new coach as bad as the next guy, but you can't just discredit a blowout win and say it would be a close game if it wasn't for "so and so" having a hot hand.  That's what you expect from your best players from time to time. 

You can go down the line and look at a lot of teams, and say if "that player didn't have a hot hand, it would have been a much closer game or they would have lost."  It doesn't work like that. 

I know the elite teams are capable of blowing out teams without having one hot hand.  But that doesn't mean you get to discredit a bad team like Arkansas when they blowout someone because their sharpshooter had a hot hand.  He might be the best shooter in the nation.  It's not like him getting hot is a fluke.

You make a lot of great points on FF but I still will stick to my previous post. The win was nice, kind of like getting a bag of cheetos and you get one cheeto out of the bag. Without Clarke we suck rotten eggs, PEROID!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 12, 2011, 09:29:50 pm
Quote from: gatecrasher on February 12, 2011, 06:38:51 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I can hope right
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on February 13, 2011, 01:36:30 am
I do that in the half-hearted hope that I get proven wrong...

It's sickening...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on February 13, 2011, 01:22:59 pm
The win against the worst team in the SEC and about #230 in all of Div I means NOTHING.
Why not just compare the victory to beating a good high school team.  ;)  If we did NOT beat them in all categories, we should have shut down the program, that is how bad LSU is this year.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RATTLER43 on February 13, 2011, 05:07:08 pm
It still beats the alternative.........which is to have lost to them.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on February 13, 2011, 05:13:14 pm
It's sad that the program has sunk to the point where a blowout over a bad LSuckU team is considered a moral victory.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 13, 2011, 10:58:10 pm
The program isn't even a program anymore. It's a small spot in the Want Ad's now. SEC Team needs Coach & Players, pays nicely. Contact U of A AD !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 13, 2011, 11:10:03 pm
Six games left in the season. After Florida A&M is where it gets serious for Pelphrey. We have Alabama on the road, Kentucky at home, at Auburn, at home versus Mississippi State, and then close out the regular season at Ole Miss.

If he loses the rest of those conference games, then loses in the first round of the SEC tournament he's gone in my opinion. He can probably save his job winning just two of the conference games.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 13, 2011, 11:17:55 pm
Here's how I see it:

MUST WIN - Florida A&M

Needs 3-2 down SEC stretch (with 3 of those on the road)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 14, 2011, 09:51:52 am
Quote from: HSFBF on February 13, 2011, 01:22:59 pm
The win against the worst team in the SEC and about #230 in all of Div I means NOTHING.
Why not just compare the victory to beating a good high school team.  ;)  If we did NOT beat them in all categories, we should have shut down the program, that is how bad LSU is this year.

The two games I've watched this season, I think the hogs would struggle and probably lose to some of the Better high school teams in arkansas this year.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: InYoGrill on February 14, 2011, 11:40:09 am
I watched the V /GW girls game last Sat. The two previous state champs in 5A showed how to run and O,  rebound, , shoot free throws, trap, and how to use strategically motivated
coaching. Great game until the 4th per. V started to shoot wide open bricks like another team titled on this thread.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 16, 2011, 08:08:56 pm
66-21 Arkansas 13:00 min to go
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2011, 08:57:49 pm
A win is a win. Better than the alternative.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 16, 2011, 08:59:19 pm
94-55 Final. The real games start Saturday.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2011, 09:01:11 pm
Who do we have saturday? I have given up keeping up with them this past week.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 16, 2011, 09:05:34 pm
At Alabama.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Radiotalker on February 16, 2011, 09:56:44 pm
Quote from: Romeo on February 16, 2011, 08:59:19 pm
94-55 Final. The real games start Saturday.
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Wow.....that team must really suck.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2011, 10:37:54 pm
Suck yes. Win yes. Better than the opposite.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 16, 2011, 10:40:23 pm
Really a shame Pelphrey can count this game as win #16 to pump up his win total! This was like beating NLR girls or some 7A middle of pack boys team. Lowest crowd EVER at Walton, announced at about 5000, looked like 3500-4000 at most. This win meant NOTHING except to make Pel look like he had won an "important" game .... on paper.  I just hope some of the sloppy play in the last 10 minutes does not rub off on the guys because Alabama will beat us there by 25 if so... Otherwise they will win by 10-12 anyway. We barely beat them here in that first game, thank God to Rotnei Clarks shooting. We might beat Ole Miss if we are lucky and "hot"... KY here is a loss for sure, even with them playing badly on the road. Looks like an 18-12 season record, maybe 17-13... Then one loss in the SEC tournament and await Mr. Long's NIT bid... HORRIBLE to end up like this!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 16, 2011, 10:52:31 pm
Would hate to see optimism among y'all
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 16, 2011, 10:59:48 pm
I agree it is hard to be optimistic against a win on a cupcake but still. It is WAY better than to lose to them. Belly aching is alot easier for some to say congrats and I'm happy we won.

BTW, I quit watching the games when we lost to MSU. However I still am proud of the guys with ANY win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 18, 2011, 09:21:07 pm
 A FAMU win is better than a Morgan State loss like last year. They're still one of worst Hog teams with a with a  winning record in school history !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2011, 10:27:59 pm
Alabama game is sold out for tomorrow, a rarity for that to happen in Tuscaloosa. Bama is also a 10.5 favorite. Pelphrey can probably keep his job just by winning this game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 18, 2011, 10:39:32 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on February 18, 2011, 09:21:07 pm
A FAMU win is better than a Morgan State loss like last year. They're still one of worst Hog teams with a with a  winning record in school history !

Playing LSU and Florida A&M after losing three straight games was probably the best gift Pelphrey could have gotten. For one, it got a little pressure off his back despite the low quality of competition and it gave him the chance to perform his best Houston Nutt impression this week to get some of the fanbase behind him.

Its all good now but he'll be right back on the firing line if he loses the rest of his games.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 19, 2011, 07:17:22 pm
Hogs playing ok so far. Hope for a better 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 19, 2011, 07:44:33 pm
More bad game management for Pelphrey. Using all but one timeout with 7:00 minutes to go in the game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 19, 2011, 07:56:36 pm
Pelphrey is the Les Miles of basketball when it comes to game management down the stretch.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 19, 2011, 07:59:49 pm
Score? I'm away from the tv.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 19, 2011, 08:05:48 pm
69-56 final.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on February 19, 2011, 08:33:38 pm
Whats the temperature on that seat as of tonight?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 19, 2011, 08:34:46 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on February 19, 2011, 08:33:38 pm
Whats the temperature on that seat as of tonight?
This was in the category of "need to win" not must win.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on February 19, 2011, 09:00:00 pm
PC/RD, what would you categorize the Kentucky game?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 20, 2011, 05:27:50 am
Coach Pel once again shows us that he is ripping the U of A off. His imitation as a SEC basketball coach is terrible.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 20, 2011, 06:25:10 am
$90,000 - The amount of money the UA paid Parker Executive Search to find John Pelphrey
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fastdrop on February 20, 2011, 08:44:52 am
Quote from: cav2012 on February 16, 2011, 10:52:31 pm
Would hate to see optimism among y'all
bout wut...

Baseball is here.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 20, 2011, 10:39:26 am
Who do yall believe would be a realistic replacement of our coach
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on February 20, 2011, 02:37:40 pm
last night's game


long scoring drought-check
no defense late in the game-check
no emotion -check
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 21, 2011, 01:11:50 am
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on February 19, 2011, 09:00:00 pm
PC/RD, what would you categorize the Kentucky game?
Must win. Home game, that is being hyped up by Jeff Long, calling for a "Code Red" and Kentucky has been weak on the road. If anything this is Pelphrey's all or nothing game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 21, 2011, 01:14:47 am
Quote from: cav2012 on February 20, 2011, 10:39:26 am
Who do yall believe would be a realistic replacement of our coach
Mike Marshall, Doc Sadler, Tubby Smith are a few names, I like. I heard a reliable source feelers have been out on John Brady. Arkansas is a job, that a coach wouldn't mind taking a look at and saying to himself "hey if I return them to glory....."

20+ wins, 2 sec tournament wins a year+ NCAA would be a decent start

The Bill Self thought is not completely far fetched, but it is so doubtful it's not even funny to think about. You better believe if Pelphrey is let go, Jeff Long will be on the "targets" of money in Arkansas to do the right thing.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on February 21, 2011, 02:14:26 am
Quote from: fastdrop on February 20, 2011, 08:44:52 am
Quote from: cav2012 on February 16, 2011, 10:52:31 pm
Would hate to see optimism among y'all
bout wut...

Baseball is here.
Record opening weekend attendance...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 21, 2011, 04:40:01 am
I don't think we would be in our current situation if we had hired the right guy after Altman left. I was really pulling for Anthony Grant to be the coach when the Arkansas job was available.

This was a good prediction a few years ago:
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=66126.0
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 21, 2011, 09:03:05 am
Guys, Bill Self is not that far fetched. Let me explain...
The Big Twelve, eight, ten whatever they are calling themselves these days, their days are numbered. Other conferences are getting bigger and the Big Twelve is losing participants. So in my opinion unless something drastic happens in the next two years the Big Twelve will go by the wayside by becoming a Non Automatic qualifier or just go out like the SWC did.
Kansas is in a tough position because let's face it, everything is driven towards football these days and Kansas isn't exactly a hot commodity when it comes to the ole pigskin. So if Self is smart I can see him positioning himself for a move to a major conference. Why not Arkansas. SEC school, in a conference that he could recruit very well in and win from jump street. A return to the glory days at Arkansas would ensure Self any job he would ever want considering the mess we are in now...JMO... ;)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: sevenof400 on February 21, 2011, 09:17:21 am
Quote from: PC™ on February 21, 2011, 01:14:47 am
... Tubby Smith are a few names, I like.
.....The Bill Self thought is not completely far fetched, but it is so doubtful it's not even funny to think about.

You really don't want Tubby Smith do you?  Hasn't exactly overachieved in the Big 10 at Minnesota and his NC at Kentucky was achieved with the previous coaches players.  A look at his record shows that as time elapses, so do the wins.  I could see wanting Smith if you think you have the player talent on board (or coming next year) though. 

I agree with you on Bill Self - no reason to leave Kansas except for a high profile job (and there are only a handful of higher profile positions than Kansas).
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 21, 2011, 01:35:29 pm
We could do a lot worse than Tubby Smith. At least he's a proven winner. I also wouldn't rule Mike Anderson out. You can give the same argument to him regarding the Big 12 possibly being disbanded.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 21, 2011, 02:38:51 pm
I think Tubby is setting himself up for retirement at Minnesota. He won a NC at Ky with players he helped recruite. He was already part of that program before he went to Tulsa and came back. Self and Kansas are not worried about what the Big XII does. They can go Independent because they are a National Power Program.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 21, 2011, 02:40:02 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on February 21, 2011, 02:38:51 pm
I think Tubby is setting himself up for retirement at Minnesota. He won a NC at Ky with players he helped recruite. He was already part of that program before he went to Tulsa and came back. Self and Kansas are not worried about what the Big XII does. They can go Independent because they are a National Power Program.
Kansas cant go independent. Football, baseball, and other women's sports and track definitely can't make it.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 21, 2011, 02:46:36 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on February 21, 2011, 02:38:51 pm
I think Tubby is setting himself up for retirement at Minnesota. He won a NC at Ky with players he helped recruite. He was already part of that program before he went to Tulsa and came back. Self and Kansas are not worried about what the Big XII does. They can go Independent because they are a National Power Program.
Again HH, you have to agree. Everything sportswise in college in football driven...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 21, 2011, 04:35:14 pm
I know he's kinda old but what do yall think about the san diego state coach
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 21, 2011, 07:52:21 pm
I agree football is the bell cow for most colleges. But Kansas has always been a Basketball school. One of the few left. Duke and North Carolina are the other two. Arkansas will have to find a Coach who can recruite and install a system that wins. They dont need a stepping stone guy.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 23, 2011, 05:33:44 pm
As I said on Feb 16th, we would be beaten by 10-12 points at Alabama with our A game and it was 11.  Tonight vs Kentucky I suspect, even at home, we will lose by a point or two. If we are within 4-5 points then we were really underachievers in other games recently. Note I did not use the 'bad' word that Pelphrey  used - overachievers. If Powell has a bad attitude and Clarke is low scoring, we will lose by 12 points.. Hate to be so sullen, but this team has been so uninspiring this year. Many of us have turned off the radio at halftime or not listened at all. The decreased crowds have proven the same thing. A win might save Pels job.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 23, 2011, 05:39:59 pm
If you seriously want to see a coaching change, you might not want a Hog win tonight.  ;)

You are about to hear more than you've heard on the matter.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on February 23, 2011, 07:36:06 pm
Quote from: B.G. on February 23, 2011, 05:39:59 pm
If you seriously want to see a coaching change, you might not want a Hog win tonight.  ;)

I don't care, it's always great when we beat Kentucky in basketball, same as LSU in football.

But for those that are watching, look at all the people there!!! ha
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on February 23, 2011, 07:43:56 pm
Quote from: hb14lh on February 23, 2011, 07:36:06 pm
Quote from: B.G. on February 23, 2011, 05:39:59 pm
If you seriously want to see a coaching change, you might not want a Hog win tonight.  ;)

I don't care, it's always great when we beat Kentucky in basketball, same as LSU in football.

But for those that are watching, look at all the people there!!! ha
We haven't beaten Kentucky since most of you hit puberty.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 23, 2011, 07:53:18 pm
And at least one 'ex' poster living in sin that hit menopause.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 23, 2011, 09:14:51 pm
The last time we beat Kentucky Nolan had black hair !
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on February 23, 2011, 09:15:48 pm
Hogs up 1 with 1.8 left in OT and Kentucky ball.

Regardless of the outcome this is one of the best basketball games I've seen in awhile
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 23, 2011, 09:17:38 pm
Nice win.....lets keep it goin
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 23, 2011, 09:17:54 pm
HOGS WIN!!!!! GREAT EFFORT
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on February 23, 2011, 09:18:02 pm
Best win in awhile, I don't care about rankings.

Woo Pig!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on February 23, 2011, 09:23:08 pm
Lets hope that there isn't an emotional letdown at Auburn on Saturday?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Ex-HAplayer on February 23, 2011, 09:26:31 pm
So i guess this win saves your coaches season?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on February 23, 2011, 09:28:57 pm
Nice crowd and a solid game.  GHG.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 23, 2011, 09:41:51 pm
Jump ball at Hogville is unbelievable. I myself have been critical of Pelphrey all season but why be upset that we won because you think Pelphrey saved his job?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 23, 2011, 09:50:02 pm
I don't care about the mumbo jumbo belly aching. I'm proud we won. GO HOGS GO.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 23, 2011, 10:19:28 pm
Quote from: Bondfan4ever on February 23, 2011, 09:23:08 pm
Lets hope that there isn't an emotional letdown at Auburn on Saturday?
If we follow suit like when we won at Vandy and then self destructed the next two games at home then a loss to the worst team in the SEC is quite possible at Auburn, who played ALABAMA so close tonight! Like after Vandy, a win like tonight means nothing about any progress this team may be making IF we lose to Auburn and then Miss. State. A loss at Ole Miss (tied with us) is expected down there. The key is to play at Auburn  and against Miss. State like we did tonight. Can the SAME TEAM show up again or will they bask in their victory tonight and get back to underachieving? One week from tonight we will know.
Delvon Johnson has GOT TO stop missing 5-6 point blank layup/put backs every game and mishandling the ball. Almost cost us tonight when he fumbled a rebound out of bounds with 1.8 seconds to go. He is just an average player trying to help but lacks talent around the basket with shots and rebounding. Also missed two slam dunks tonight and, as usual, the free throws clunk off the  rim.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 23, 2011, 10:25:06 pm
Quote from: Ex-HAplayer on February 23, 2011, 09:26:31 pm
So i guess this win saves your coaches season?
Not unless we finish strong this next 10 days and finish with 20 wins at a minimum and hopefully one victory in the SEC. 3rd in the West gives us a good game to win a game in the Tournament but finishing 4th puts us in trouble with a good East team that first game. You must win the next 3 games and finish 3rd ahead of Ole Miss to have a fighting chance to win 22 games. And to think that we have "given" up 4 victories this year with poor last minute play. The next 10 days is CRUCIAL for Pelphrey's job security.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 23, 2011, 11:16:05 pm
Very crucial. I hope we don't have a "post vandy win" meltdown though. We can salvage this season if they play to their potential.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 23, 2011, 11:23:35 pm
Good win anytime you beat Kentucky. PEL STILL NOT THE ANSWER.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 24, 2011, 08:46:51 am
Quote from: Hoghead on February 23, 2011, 11:23:35 pm
Good win anytime you beat Kentucky. PEL STILL NOT THE ANSWER.
This^^^...If we play like we played against Kentucky just 75% of the time this year we are a Tourney team...but we are too inconsistent. Great win though. I love seeing Cal & Kentucky get beat...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on February 24, 2011, 12:12:58 pm
Quote from: Coach Venny Slocombe on February 24, 2011, 08:46:51 am
Quote from: Hoghead on February 23, 2011, 11:23:35 pm
Good win anytime you beat Kentucky. PEL STILL NOT THE ANSWER.
This^^^...If we play like we played against Kentucky just 75% of the time this year we are a Tourney team...but we are too inconsistent. Great win though. I love seeing Cal & Kentucky get beat...
Agree. And, Delvon, even though hurt some, missed 5 point blank FGs when he was at or above the rim. Just NO TOUCH at the basket unless a slam dunk and he missed TWO of them last night! And the missed rebound at 1.8 seconds left in OT almost cost us the game. In fact, many thought the refs were probably going to call a foul if KY had just driven down the lane for a layup on that final possession. We were lucky that last 16 seconds. Thank God KY was way off on their 3 point FG % last night .. But so have we in 4 losses against lesser opponents...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: eagle-fan on February 25, 2011, 11:41:01 am
See Pelphrey comments on that thread on FF. Interesting scenarios on his keeping his job depending on how this team plays as a team the remainder of the season.  :-\
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: cav2012 on February 26, 2011, 01:00:48 pm
I know its early and I know its auburn but were looking pretty good
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Peety on February 26, 2011, 02:56:26 pm
You guys can say what you want, but Pel drew up a wonderful play at the end of the game to give that win
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on February 26, 2011, 03:02:47 pm
If Arkansas lost today I wouldn't have put the full blame on Pelphrey. Marshawn Powell seemed like he was sleepwalking the entire game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: DerekOxford on February 26, 2011, 03:24:09 pm
Powell was a little too busy on Thursday night reveling in his accomplishments is what I heard from a buddy of mine who frequents Dickson.

Guess he figured after the double-double he doesn't have to show up against a lowly Auburn team.

We'll see how he does against Augustus and Sidney Wednesday night.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on February 26, 2011, 08:15:03 pm
These wins will make it tough to justify letting Pelphrey go after the season.  Arkansas was very very fortunate to win that game today.  Had Auburn made a couple of those layups that they missed, then Razorback fans would've been furious about the end of the 1st half goaltending call on the long three point attempt.  IMO, Powell will either transfer or will declare for the draft.  Its sad because Powell has a lot of talent, but theres some underlying tension between him and Pelphrey.  I wish the best for the Hogs, but the coaching makes me scratch my head at times.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on February 27, 2011, 05:43:04 pm
I agree with every sentence of your post Bondfan4ever. A + for you.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 27, 2011, 05:50:40 pm
Two games until 20 wins hopefully and maybe we can snag a couple in the SEC tournament. I'm trying to be super positive here folks.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on February 27, 2011, 07:28:35 pm
we'll beat MSU and lose to Ole PP on the road....
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 27, 2011, 09:51:00 pm
Optimism gate. Optimism.  8)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on February 27, 2011, 10:03:41 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 27, 2011, 05:50:40 pm
Two games until 20 wins hopefully and maybe we can snag a couple in the SEC tournament. I'm trying to be super positive here folks.
If they pull this off (20 wins) Pel will have pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Still they'd be the worst 20 win team in the history of the U of A. I'll give Pel credit he's hung in there and fought as well as his team has.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on February 27, 2011, 10:27:39 pm
Quote from: Hoghead on February 27, 2011, 10:03:41 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on February 27, 2011, 05:50:40 pm
Two games until 20 wins hopefully and maybe we can snag a couple in the SEC tournament. I'm trying to be super positive here folks.
If they pull this off (20 wins) Pel will have pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Still they'd be the worst 20 win team in the history of the U of A. I'll give Pel credit he's hung in there and fought as well as his team has.
I agree but 20 wins is 20 wins. We haven't done since the 2007-2008 season. I'm still hopeful Pel is gonna pull some magic here at the end and he will become the coach we need. If not...so be it. I dealt with 10 years of pain, suffering, and mediocrity with HDN and I can deal with 5 years with Pel before he needs to go.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: eagle-fan on February 28, 2011, 12:56:49 pm
We will beat Ms. State here Wednesday by 3-5 points and lose to Miss. there by same margin. 19 wins and I predict one W in the SEC tournament, making 20 W for Mr. Pelphrey. then the fun begins . Where would we go? Unrated all year, 20 wins > enough for the NCAA selection committee? NOPE..   Then comes the NIT bid which we will accept for recruiting purposes and likely get a game at Walton Arena. Should win one or two games but with this team, who knows?!  Beat some big guys and lose to some horrible teams. Interesting to see who leaves after the season.  Prediction :  Powell and Wade for sure, the two tweeter guys who publicly spoke against Coach Pel in comments (or lack of comments, in the case of Powell)... Interesting off-season coming up and which of the 5 highly recruited guys actually make the campus to go to classes. Predict : three   ???
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on March 01, 2011, 12:41:36 am
Quote from: eagle-fan on February 28, 2011, 12:56:49 pm
We will beat Ms. State here Wednesday by 3-5 points and lose to Miss. there by same margin. 19 wins and I predict one W in the SEC tournament, making 20 W for Mr. Pelphrey. then the fun begins . Where would we go? Unrated all year, 20 wins > enough for the NCAA selection committee? NOPE..   Then comes the NIT bid which we will accept for recruiting purposes and likely get a game at Walton Arena. Should win one or two games but with this team, who knows?!  Beat some big guys and lose to some horrible teams. Interesting to see who leaves after the season.  Prediction :  Powell and Wade for sure, the two tweeter guys who publicly spoke against Coach Pel in comments (or lack of comments, in the case of Powell)... Interesting off-season coming up and which of the 5 highly recruited guys actually make the campus to go to classes. Predict : three   ???
You're an idiot.

I'll bet you posting privilegess the first 3 weeks of next football season on that being wrong.

Wade and Powell aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hogsfan4life on March 01, 2011, 08:18:30 am
Wade no, Powell I think there is a legit chance he transfers or goes overseas. May not, but there is something there.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 01, 2011, 01:27:28 pm
Smithian:
   Do you not read the papers or watch TV? Powell has made negative comments about Pelphrey and his tweets show disillusionment about the program. Two players have said he is strongly talking about leaving ( No, I won't tell you who I heard they were ) and the sports beat guys think he is "fed up"... So, you think he will stay? Doubtful and that is my "prediction" as I said.  Not fact but a good assessment of what's going on up on the Hill.
;)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 01, 2011, 06:30:18 pm
Rumors coming from Doug Gottlieb that Pelphrey is out after the season and we'll be pushing for Mike Anderson hard. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: papaeagle on March 01, 2011, 09:00:12 pm
Great news!  More victories this year with a lot of patsy teams early on and maybe an 8-8 conference record is not good enough for a quality program. And to think that we could easily be 22-6 now with the 4 easy wins we blew in the last 2 minutes. Just too inconsistent and underachieving in so many games. Why take a chance on ruining the incoming class with poor coaching right off the bat? Cut the noose, get Tubby Smith or Anderson or even maybe entertain getting Brady for a low salary with an increased salary if he keeps his nose clean with recruiting... Just thinking out loud.  On Pelphrey, I think, like many, just too little too late to believe that next year will be better ... a LOT better. ???
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 01, 2011, 09:39:53 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 01, 2011, 06:30:18 pm
Rumors coming from Doug Gottlieb that Pelphrey is out after the season and we'll be pushing for Mike Anderson hard. 
I will believe it when I see it. I just have to find it hard to believe that they will get rid of him after THIS year.


Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Smithian on March 02, 2011, 01:28:32 am
Quote from: HSFBF on March 01, 2011, 01:27:28 pm
Smithian:
   Do you not read the papers or watch TV? Powell has made negative comments about Pelphrey and his tweets show disillusionment about the program. Two players have said he is strongly talking about leaving ( No, I won't tell you who I heard they were ) and the sports beat guys think he is "fed up"... So, you think he will stay? Doubtful and that is my "prediction" as I said.  Not fact but a good assessment of what's going on up on the Hill.
;)
Cool story bro.

Wanna bet some minor posting privileges?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on March 02, 2011, 10:40:41 pm
This lack luster game put the final nail in  Pelphrey's coffin. Delvon personally accounted for 5 point blank missed FGs and a slam dunk and three steals against him, not protecting the ball. Sanchez, again, not looking for the ball and 3 bounced off his face and chest. Powell played poorly the first half, missing most shots. Nobody rebounded and 4 times Miss. State drove uncontested by FOUR of our guys under the basket, making a FG each time. This team is where it should be, maybe a #4 seed, losing to Mississippi Saturday and then having to play Vandy or Georgia, thereby losing the first SEC tournament game. I hope they decline an NIT bid. The bleeding has got to stop and NOT playing is the only way that will happen. Pel is a nice guy but not SEC head coach material. Not correcting things during the past 29 games proves it ... still the same errors in every game and underachieving most games.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on March 02, 2011, 10:47:40 pm
What I don't understand is Glenn Bryant playing very little tonight.  He has been one of our more athletic players.  He could've done some nice things for us tonight.  You can forget the 1st round bye, thats for sure!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on March 02, 2011, 11:07:55 pm
I would have taken out clumsy Delvon and put Bryant in too... At least he will rebound the ball, block out and make point blank shots! But Pel decided to play a tired Delvon who looked like he did not care and got frustrated after the second straight missed FG at point blank, layup range. The missed attempt at a slam dunk was horrible, just horrible and his face showed it. He wanted to come out of the game from frustration and the coaches left him in, only to make another blunder and missing a FG within 30 seconds. Time for this season to end for sure.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 02, 2011, 11:09:38 pm
Quote from: fbhound on March 02, 2011, 11:07:55 pm
I would have taken out clumsy Delvon and put Bryant in too... At least he will rebound the ball, block out and make point blank shots! But Pel decided to play a tired Delvon who looked like he did not care and got frustrated after the second straight missed FG at point blank, layup range. The missed attempt at a slam dunk was horrible, just horrible and his face showed it. He wanted to come out of the game from frustration and the coaches left him in, only to make another blunder and missing a FG within 30 seconds. Time for this season to end for sure.
You need to relax man, you're going to have a stroke.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 03, 2011, 07:31:37 am
No true Razorback fan is relaxed now, a win would have given us 2nd seed and we blew the opportunity. Nobody's gonna stroke out because the apathy has already set in ..... several games ago. Nothing to stroke out about. fbhound was just expressing his feelings about another poor effort by many players who just couldn't bring themselves to get up to play hard with so much on the line. It was there for them to play like against Kentucky but the team made too many mistakes in many different areas of play.   :'(
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 03, 2011, 07:44:33 am
Arkansas will play for the third seed Saturday at Ole Miss. If we win, we'll play Thursday at 2:30pm against South Carolina. If we lose, we'll have the fourth seed in the west and likely play Tennessee at 6:30pm.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Coach Venny Slocombe on March 03, 2011, 08:49:20 am
Pathetic... :P
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 03, 2011, 10:55:47 am
Yep Coach Venny.... I will not watch the Ole Miss game. Hate to see 2-3 players play hard and others " just there" on the floor and seemingly not even looking for the ball on a dish off under the basket. Like , "why are  you there" guy?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on March 03, 2011, 01:26:38 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on March 03, 2011, 10:55:47 am
Yep Coach Venny.... I will not watch the Ole Miss game. Hate to see 2-3 players play hard and others " just there" on the floor and seemingly not even looking for the ball on a dish off under the basket. Like , "why are  you there" guy?

This pretty sums up the year. This team is WAY to inconsistent. They'll beat teams you think they will lose to then drop and egg against the bottom feeders.

I feel very sorry for Clarke because he seems to be the only one that gives 100% every game and a play like him needs others to get him open. Hopefully these freshman are as good as advertised to give Clarke some hope for a conference title next year. (Yes I know that is being VERY optimistic)
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 04, 2011, 06:45:53 am
NIT bracketology: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-college-basketball/2011/02/nit-bracketology---with-the-bracket-predictor.html
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Peety on March 05, 2011, 04:37:56 pm
This is embarrassing
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 05, 2011, 05:34:50 pm
If THIS game does not make you an anti-Pel fan then nothing will.. Why continue to play Delvon when the guy misses point blank shots accounting for 10-12 lost points?  And he has done so for the past 6-7 games. No fire. Same with Marshawn Powell today, no fire, missed shots. The entire team refused to defend the basket.. PLEASE fire Pelphrey immediately after the SEC tournament loss on Thursday AND do NOT go to the NIT. It isn't going to help anything for the future. Only a NEW coach will do that!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 05, 2011, 08:32:56 pm
On a bit of a positive note, Arkansas recruit BJ Young won the round 2 battle with Florida commit Bradley Beal scoring 32 points and beating the number 8 team in the nation that was previously unbeaten. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: hb14lh on March 06, 2011, 05:10:06 am
Quote from: HSFBF on March 05, 2011, 05:34:50 pm
do NOT go to the NIT. It isn't going to help anything for the future. Only a NEW coach will do that!!

Why not go to the NIT? What help did that do last time we denied it?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 06, 2011, 08:18:07 am
The last time we refused the NIT under Heath, the team had lost 5 of the last 6 I think, and it was felt the team did not deserve a spot in the NIT, just to continue losing. It was thought to just start all over the next year with fresh "attitudes".. Otherwise, you just go through the SAME game mentality one last time, no fire and another loss on the the final record. Who wants to lose one more game??  ... certainly not the team. And they themselves seem resigned to stop the season with an SEC tournament loss. If the NIT were at the U of A, I doubt many fans would be in the crowd. If AR had WON 5 or 6 of the last 8 games, that is a different story, showing the fire was there to compete and win. That is NOT this team! They are going through the motions, not correcting mistakes and just not hustling for an entire game, no ability to close out strong.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 06:16:53 am
I'm getting a strange feeling Pelphrey might pull off a miracle these next four days. If you think about the last two times an Arkansas coach has been rumored to be fired went all the way to the tournament championship game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on March 10, 2011, 07:15:04 am
NOT gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 10, 2011, 09:16:18 am
Quote from: gatecrasher on March 10, 2011, 07:15:04 am
NOT gonna happen.
Weirder things have happened my friend. Going to be an interesting weekend. Stay tuned folks.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on March 10, 2011, 06:42:08 pm
Game started Hogs 5 Tenn 4 17:20

Britt has really shot the long ball well this season.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 07:33:54 pm
Hogs shooting cold in the first half. Down 37-25 at the break.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on March 10, 2011, 07:35:38 pm
Twenty five.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on March 10, 2011, 07:46:26 pm
 I swear this team has set basketball back 100 years

not one player  plays above the rim

NOT ONE!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on March 10, 2011, 08:02:30 pm
We look awful.

Everything is falling for them.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 08:04:14 pm
You know it isn't your night when a guy with a bad back shoots and hits his first and only three pointer of the year with a second on the shot clock.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:16:09 pm
Tell me the players don't know he is canned.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 08:16:30 pm
Brandon Marcello, former Arkansas now Miss St columnist just said on twitter there are more Kentucky fans cheering for Arkansas than there are hog fans in attendance.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:20:07 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 08:16:30 pm
Brandon Marcello, former Arkansas now Miss St columnist just said on twitter there are more Kentucky fans cheering for Arkansas than there are hog fans in attendance.
They love Mr. Kentucky
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 10, 2011, 08:25:08 pm
Some fight still left in the hogs.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:27:19 pm
Kentucy is calling the Hogs LOL
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Brian G on March 10, 2011, 08:27:48 pm
The Hogs are just teasing us.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on March 10, 2011, 08:36:32 pm
What the heck... I get in the shower down by 16 and get out as we tie the game.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:37:45 pm
Fat boy uno eye may have just won Tennar the game
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on March 10, 2011, 08:38:04 pm
Figures a half blind Vol scores on us
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on March 10, 2011, 08:39:38 pm
That's not a steal, that's a reach and a foul.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Chosen 1 on March 10, 2011, 08:42:36 pm
There's you're game.

Hey hey, Goodbye.. Failphrey
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Indiana Jones on March 10, 2011, 08:43:56 pm
Forget the NIT I just want this misery to end
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:44:47 pm
Deuces Pel.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: RD™ on March 10, 2011, 08:47:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Hoghead on March 10, 2011, 11:29:57 pm
Someone say the eulogy so this thing can be over with. Pay the man and show him what hes won johnny !!!!
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 12, 2011, 08:21:48 pm
BJ Young scores 21 points as Mccluer North wins the Missouri class 5A state championship. Aaron Ross had 13 for Parkview in their state championship victory today. Hunter Mickelson fell short of the title falling to Clarksville.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: AirWarren on March 12, 2011, 10:40:26 pm
Watched mickelson and Ross. I hope they were not playing to their standards because both looked mediocre at best today. Everyone is entitled to a bad game though. Ross looked easily fatigued.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Bondfan4ever on March 12, 2011, 10:49:21 pm
Let me throw this question out there: No matter what happens or who our new coach may be, how many players currently on the roster who are not seniors do we lose?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Rulesman on March 13, 2011, 04:30:58 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on March 12, 2011, 10:40:26 pm
Ross looked easily fatigued.
Lazy is a better description. IMO he's looked that way the better part of the last month.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: fbhound on March 14, 2011, 12:35:05 pm
Bondfan4ever: 
I say we lose Waithe and maybe Wade. Scott will stay and so will Powell. Sitting out a year for them will be harmful to keeping in basketball shape. Bryant can only get stronger and Clarke will be as good as this year. Both he and Pat Bradley have averaged 91-92 3 point FGs each year, so hopefully Rotnei will be in the offense enough to end up close to the record set by Bradley (366 I think). We just need one good BIG man who can block out and rebound and have a shot other than a slam dunk feed. Nobles should be improved on ball handling... lets hope anyway! We do need another guard to replace Britt, since Peterson and Nobles are going to have bad nights on turnovers or foul trouble or just "not being on".
We will be better next year with ANY coach.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: HSFBF on March 18, 2011, 12:41:03 pm
Good assessment for 2011-12 season. The key is the incoming 5 guys, down to 4 from what I heard today ...
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: redwolf143 on March 18, 2011, 12:44:41 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on March 18, 2011, 12:41:03 pm
Good assessment for 2011-12 season. The key is the incoming 5 guys, down to 4 from what I heard today ...

You ain't selling papers, how bout you just say what you heard and drop the ellipses.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: neutral fan on March 18, 2011, 02:40:19 pm
Quote from: HSFBF on March 18, 2011, 12:41:03 pm
Good assessment for 2011-12 season. The key is the incoming 5 guys, down to 4 from what I heard today ...
What recruit did we lose..?
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: Romeo on March 18, 2011, 03:05:46 pm
We haven't lost any recruits until they are officially released out of their letter of intent.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: papaeagle on March 18, 2011, 03:24:51 pm
Quote from: Romeo on March 18, 2011, 03:05:46 pm
We haven't lost any recruits until they are officially released out of their letter of intent.
OR if they don't make their grades or enough on the ACT. For that reason, no poster should give a specific name, it is not allowed to post bad comments on a student's grades or on problems with the law, etc...   Otherwise, rumors have to be "generic" in nature only. I too have heard, for various reasons and published official comments by the players, that two of them are on the fence on coming. Yes, a release is needed and the U of A just might give them because the situation has changes A LOT from when they committed, loss of the head coach. That is valid reason according to the NCAA. And what good would a player be if he sulked and did not want to play, counted on our graduation rate and then left after one year? I say let 'em go now if they want. The attitude of one of them concerns me a a bit too much,  "ME" and "I" all over the place, and Kansas let him visit and declined to offer a scholarship. 
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: gatecrasher on March 19, 2011, 11:22:34 am
Highly likely that Ky Madden won't be coming....that comes from folks I met at Summit Arena the other night....

Folks that identified themselves as family members said that if Pel goes, Ky was likely not coming. However, I would think the kid has sense enough to wait & see who the new coach is before making that kind of decision.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: papaeagle on March 20, 2011, 12:15:45 pm
Hearing this morning by big booster close to a BOT member that 4 of the recruits have said they won't come. I would rather think they would at least wait to see who the coach is! A player should sign a letter on intent based on 5 things, IMHO.
    (1) AR in the SEC  (2) AR has good history of NCAA tournament final 2 and final 4 teams (in the past)  (3) Great facilities, probably best in middle USA and in top 5 overall  (4) many TV appearances usually during the year and lastly, (5) the coaching staff that recruits you.
    To decide to NOT come would indicate the student paid way too much attention to #5 and not look at the other 4 aspects. Would these recruits go to where Pelphrey was if the arena seated 6000, there was little traditon at all, it was a lower level conference or was not on TV at all?... DOUBTFUL!    That's my point. Would Pelphrey even gotten them to visit if the first 4 conditions were not there? NO, even if he did come across as a nice guy and say the right things.  :(
   
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 20, 2011, 02:17:02 pm
I wouldnt be shocked to see a few of them leave no matter who the new coach is. And as far as one of them having a me attitude werent there a few of them on the team this year when you dont show respect to the coach I would consider that a bad attitude as well. I think all of the recruits will wait and see who the coach is they have time. And most of them have plenty of offers if the Hogs dont hire a guy they like.
Title: Re: 2010-2011 Arkansas Basketball
Post by: eagle-fan on March 20, 2011, 05:12:32 pm
You mean some current team members had a "me" attitude this year? Let me see .... I count only one, well maybe two .... wait, there IS one more who tweeted the earliest this year in December. So that's three I guess.  Wait . . . . let me think another moment.