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Title: 8 Man Football
Post by: playmaker04 on May 30, 2018, 01:38:51 pm
Augusta, Decatur, Hermitage, Episcopal Collegiate and Arkansas Christian have decided to play 8 man Football. This is a long time coming.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on May 30, 2018, 02:12:45 pm
That's one opinion
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on May 30, 2018, 05:09:27 pm
Woodlawn should be next
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: SOUTHARK99 on May 30, 2018, 05:29:23 pm
I think its a good thing for the small schools
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Yogi bear on May 30, 2018, 05:38:10 pm
Wonder if they might realign the conference? If Woodlawn does that too wouldn't that just leave six in the conference?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on May 30, 2018, 05:46:59 pm
Strong is on the verge too. Very bad numbers in jh the last couple years
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: eldofan on May 30, 2018, 07:27:46 pm
This conference should be realigned . Not fair if we lose 2 more teams this year. Sounds like  hermitage has already been lost . Woodlawn and strong on the verge of not fielding teams
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Yogi bear on May 30, 2018, 09:04:12 pm
They could move Springhill to the eight.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: The_Wesson_Blessin on May 30, 2018, 09:17:11 pm
Quote from: Yogi bear on May 30, 2018, 09:04:12 pm
They could move Springhill to the eight.
No no no. Then the conference would look too much like the spring and winter sport conferences and that would make too much sense for the AAA to do that. Lol
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Yogi bear on May 30, 2018, 09:41:13 pm
Yeah we might could get a little payback for all those beatdowns in baseball.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Lions84 on May 31, 2018, 09:44:37 am
This is good news for small schools with low 11 man football Numbers.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on May 31, 2018, 11:07:54 am
Quote from: Lions84 on May 31, 2018, 09:44:37 am
This is good news for small schools with low 11 man football Numbers.

Your alma mater may be in that group soon.

Steven Meek is the high school principal and football coach at Clarendon. He said the school will move forward with its 11-man team this fall, but low numbers in a couple of incoming classes could end the football program.

"Our kids that are in eighth grade, going to be ninth-graders, there are 25 kids total," Meek said. "And the kids that are going to be seventh-graders, there are 22. So that's two consecutive years where the numbers are not there.

"We're going to go to the meeting and listen. This cycle we are probably going to be OK, but just with our enrollment down the road, we're probably going to have to do something if we want football to survive at our school."

Meek said the junior high teams at Clarendon likely would play an eight-man schedule this season and next while the school ponders the possible move in the near future.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MagicMike on May 31, 2018, 06:16:45 pm
Did i read that wrong or does Clarendon have 47 player 7-9 and is considering 8 man?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: purpleswag on May 31, 2018, 06:29:37 pm
Quote from: MagicMike on May 31, 2018, 06:16:45 pm
Did i read that wrong or does Clarendon have 47 player 7-9 and is considering 8 man?

I think a big concern is that 2 grades together only have 25 total and the drop off from jr high to high school is considerable. I'm pretty sure they make all 7th graders play football if they want to play basketball as well
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on May 31, 2018, 09:35:46 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on May 31, 2018, 06:29:37 pm
I think a big concern is that 2 grades together only have 25 total and the drop off from jr high to high school is considerable. I'm pretty sure they make all 7th graders play football if they want to play basketball as well

I read it that they have 47 (25 and 22) in the two grades he mentions.  Whatever the case, there is a declining enrollment so maybe its time to consolidate with Brinkley to form Monroe County High.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: brotherdew on June 01, 2018, 05:01:30 pm
So.....
What does AAA have to say about this? Are they recognizing it, regulating it, etc.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on June 01, 2018, 05:23:10 pm
From what I understand it will not be recognized for sure this year but possibly next year or next cycle it will be.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 01, 2018, 05:30:19 pm
Quote from: brotherdew on June 01, 2018, 05:01:30 pm
So.....
What does AAA have to say about this? Are they recognizing it, regulating it, etc.

From the same article as above.

Steve Roberts, the AAA associate executive director, told the group of school representatives that he's had coaches across the state tell him eight-man football is going to happen.

"We have teams that are looking at their numbers of the next four, five, six years down the road, and they know football will no longer be viable at the 11-man level in their communities," Roberts said.

An eight-man football season would last 10 games, Roberts said. In a club season, there would be no playoffs.

Eight-man football schools would follow AAA rules and regulations, Roberts said, which include eligibility, coaching certification and using Arkansas Officials Association officials. Also, practices would have the same guidelines as 11-man football.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on June 01, 2018, 05:33:34 pm
So no chance of winning a title or having playoffs in the future for 8 man teams?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 01, 2018, 05:52:20 pm
Quote from: old.dole on June 01, 2018, 05:33:34 pm
So no chance of winning a title or having playoffs in the future for 8 man teams?

The article says in a club season, there would be no playoffs.  I don't know this but assume playoffs would be implemented once enough teams participate at that level. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: 4real on June 01, 2018, 09:12:49 pm
I think its a good thing.  How can it be a bad deal?  The only gray area is figuring out at what number of enrollment do school deserve eligibility for 8 man, vs sandbagging with 11 man numbers.  Hard thing to figure.

Sad its taken this long to get enough school on board.  15 years ago Hartford made a call to the AAA to get permission to play Oklahoma schools an 8 man schedule, knowing that they would be independent in FB and not eligible for the OK playoffs.  They just figured it was better for their kids, of which there were about 13-15 consistently, to play 8-10 games in a competitive setting and fun, instead of playing Charleston, Danville, Pea Ridge, Elkins and that bunch back at that time in the old 2A.
Don Brodell shut the idea down.  He told the Hartford coach that if they chose to do so, they would be ineligible for post season play in all sports.  Crooked.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 01, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
It is going to be tough to get in place for 2019, much less 2018.  There was some surprise at the low number of schools who immediately committed at the meeting.  There seemed to be an impression a dozen plus were ready to play right now, obviously not the case.

For those teams looking to play 8-man this fall - how?  8-man teams in Oklahoma are going to have schedules set in Decatur's case.  Who do Hermitage, Augusta, etc. play?  Each other 3 times?  The Mississippi private schools that play 8-man have schedules set, as well.  Even to pull it off as a "club sport" this fall - you'd need 10-12 teams this fall.  I don't see it happening.

It is a good thing several non-football schools went to the meeting and it will be great if they add the sport.  You have to think - equipment, practice space, game field, staff.  Those things will take some time and $$$ to get together.  In reality, the start-up cost of 8-man is not going to be much less than 11-man.  You still need equipment, coaches, paint for the field, officials, etc.  I think we sometimes think the 3 less bodies on the field make it so much easier to add the sport.  It really doesn't.  It'd take at least a year for those schools without any football to get what they need to start the sport.

I don't see a league feasible this fall, even as a "club sport".  2019 maybe, with teams dropping mid-cycle that creates problems.  Do they have to pay to buy-out game contracts mid-cycle?  Frankly, they should.  Teams losing home games costs them money, too.  Lots of moving parts.  Will be really interesting to see how well this takes in Arkansas.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: NWA Hawg on June 02, 2018, 10:18:50 am
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 01, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
It is going to be tough to get in place for 2019, much less 2018.  There was some surprise at the low number of schools who immediately committed at the meeting.  There seemed to be an impression a dozen plus were ready to play right now, obviously not the case.

For those teams looking to play 8-man this fall - how?  8-man teams in Oklahoma are going to have schedules set in Decatur's case.  Who do Hermitage, Augusta, etc. play?  Each other 3 times?  The Mississippi private schools that play 8-man have schedules set, as well.  Even to pull it off as a "club sport" this fall - you'd need 10-12 teams this fall.  I don't see it happening.

It is a good thing several non-football schools went to the meeting and it will be great if they add the sport.  You have to think - equipment, practice space, game field, staff.  Those things will take some time and $$$ to get together.  In reality, the start-up cost of 8-man is not going to be much less than 11-man.  You still need equipment, coaches, paint for the field, officials, etc.  I think we sometimes think the 3 less bodies on the field make it so much easier to add the sport.  It really doesn't.  It'd take at least a year for those schools without any football to get what they need to start the sport.

I don't see a league feasible this fall, even as a "club sport".  2019 maybe, with teams dropping mid-cycle that creates problems.  Do they have to pay to buy-out game contracts mid-cycle?  Frankly, they should.  Teams losing home games costs them money, too.  Lots of moving parts.  Will be really interesting to see how well this takes in Arkansas.

Who were the non football schools that showed up.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 02, 2018, 10:36:55 am
Quote from: fann07 on June 02, 2018, 10:18:50 am
Who were the non football schools that showed up.

Abundant Life, ICC, Nemo Vista, Trinity Christian and White County Central.

Article mentions having to follow AAA rules on coaches, as well, which means head coach must be licensed educator with coaching endorsement.  Most A schools I know run a bare bone athletic staff as it is, adding an additional sports means additional stipends and another expense against an already small enrollment.

I may be in the minority, but I don't know how well 8-man here is going to work.  If truly about numbers, 6-man would have been a better option in my opinion.  Can get by with significantly less bodies in 6-man on a roster.  8-man rosters are not much different from 11 man and not uncommon to see 20+ kids out in other states.  If you have 20+ you should be playing 11 man, again IMO.  Teams do it all the time across Arkansas.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: brotherdew on June 02, 2018, 11:10:47 am
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 01, 2018, 10:06:17 pm
It is going to be tough to get in place for 2019, much less 2018.  There was some surprise at the low number of schools who immediately committed at the meeting.  There seemed to be an impression a dozen plus were ready to play right now, obviously not the case.

For those teams looking to play 8-man this fall - how?  8-man teams in Oklahoma are going to have schedules set in Decatur's case.  Who do Hermitage, Augusta, etc. play?  Each other 3 times?  The Mississippi private schools that play 8-man have schedules set, as well.  Even to pull it off as a "club sport" this fall - you'd need 10-12 teams this fall.  I don't see it happening.

It is a good thing several non-football schools went to the meeting and it will be great if they add the sport.  You have to think - equipment, practice space, game field, staff.  Those things will take some time and $$$ to get together.  In reality, the start-up cost of 8-man is not going to be much less than 11-man.  You still need equipment, coaches, paint for the field, officials, etc.  I think we sometimes think the 3 less bodies on the field make it so much easier to add the sport.  It really doesn't.  It'd take at least a year for those schools without any football to get what they need to start the sport.

I don't see a league feasible this fall, even as a "club sport".  2019 maybe, with teams dropping mid-cycle that creates problems.  Do they have to pay to buy-out game contracts mid-cycle?  Frankly, they should.  Teams losing home games costs them money, too.  Lots of moving parts.  Will be really interesting to see how well this takes in Arkansas.
I agree that it would be tough to get started in 2018 if they play a full 10 game schedule. The schools that aren't currently football schools could use another school's field if they play on a day other than Friday. If treated like a start up program they could look at a JV type schedule for the first year or so with fewer games. This might allow them to set up some games out of state, avoiding the full schedule issue mentioned. Of course the financial aspect of it is the big hurdle for most non-football schools. I see this as being something that might grow over the next 10 years or so as smaller schools struggle to keep their numbers up. That is if AAA is willing to give it time to grow.
I also find it interesting that AAA is calling this a club sport yet they treat it as if it were a sanctioned sport. Sounds like maybe they see this as an option for the future of small schools.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Cheek on June 02, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
Quote from: brotherdew on June 02, 2018, 11:10:47 am
I agree that it would be tough to get started in 2018 if they play a full 10 game schedule. The schools that aren't currently football schools could use another school's field if they play on a day other than Friday. If treated like a start up program they could look at a JV type schedule for the first year or so with fewer games. This might allow them to set up some games out of state, avoiding the full schedule issue mentioned. Of course the financial aspect of it is the big hurdle for most non-football schools. I see this as being something that might grow over the next 10 years or so as smaller schools struggle to keep their numbers up. That is if AAA is willing to give it time to grow.
I also find it interesting that AAA is calling this a club sport yet they treat it as if it were a sanctioned sport. Sounds like maybe they see this as an option for the future of small schools.

It will be tough this year.  The Coaches will have to learn the rules of 8 man football along with the officials.   The fields are smaller so some goal post will have to be moved.  It will take a few years to get going.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 06:26:08 pm
Quote from: old.dole on June 01, 2018, 05:33:34 pm
So no chance of winning a title or having playoffs in the future for 8 man teams?

Honestly, just consolidate schools for goodness sake.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: NWA Hawg on June 02, 2018, 08:39:05 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 06:26:08 pm
Honestly, just consolidate schools for goodness sake.

Wow!! Didn't we try this once?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 09:07:56 pm
Quote from: fann07 on June 02, 2018, 08:39:05 pm
Wow!! Didn't we try this once?

Some schools did. Others opted to "fight the power" and years later...continue to struggle.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: NWA Hawg on June 02, 2018, 09:46:48 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 09:07:56 pm
Some schools did. Others opted to "fight the power" and years later...continue to struggle.

Struggle what with athletics or academics?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 02, 2018, 09:55:23 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 09:07:56 pm
Some schools did. Others opted to "fight the power" and years later...continue to struggle.

What does struggling in football have to do with consolidation?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:15:43 pm
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 02, 2018, 09:55:23 pm
What does struggling in football have to do with consolidation?

Take a look at the schools on the chopping block numbers wise for both and you will see a lot of schools named on both future potential lists down the road.... AW is on to something, and as much as it stings some 2A folks to hear. I don't like that reality either, but it is what it is and he is right. Football is still a sport that requires 11 on the field at one time with 17-21 healthy bodies to realistically have a team even. And with less kids playing the sport its going to become so hard for the schools to keep a football program. Just wait another 10-15 years and you will see another round of consolidating happen again. All it takes it one governor to make the 350 number firm and its over. Isn't there some flexibility with that number going on already where some schools should be closed but the location is still open being ran by another district? I am pretty sure Saint Paul is ran by Huntsville, but the Saint Paul location is still there. Like I said wait for another governor who goes firm with a number and closes even more 1A schools. Can someone fill me in on the Saint Paul/Huntsville scenario cause I think that is going on in other spots in the state where the 350 number can be flexed if the "parent district" keeps the smaller location open. Like I said someone correct me if I am wrong there.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 02, 2018, 10:20:15 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on June 02, 2018, 06:26:08 pm
Honestly, just consolidate schools for goodness sake.

Is Act 60 still law and forcing consolidation on those districts with enrollment under 350?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: NWA Hawg on June 02, 2018, 10:26:14 pm
Quote from: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:15:43 pm
Take a look at the schools on the chopping block numbers wise for both and you will see a lot of schools named on both future potential lists down the road.... AW is on to something, and as much as it stings some 2A folks to hear. I don't like that reality either, but it is what it is and he is right. Football is still a sport that requires 11 on the field at one time with 17-21 healthy bodies to realistically have a team even. And with less kids playing the sport its going to become so hard for the schools to keep a football program. Just wait another 10-15 years and you will see another round of consolidating happen again. All it takes it one governor to make the 350 number firm and its over. Isn't there some flexibility with that number going on already where some schools should be closed but the location is still open being ran by another district? I am pretty sure Saint Paul is ran by Huntsville, but the Saint Paul location is still there. Like I said wait for another governor who goes firm with a number and closes even more 1A schools. Can someone fill me in on the Saint Paul/Huntsville scenario cause I think that is going on in other spots in the state where the 350 number can be flexed if the "parent district" keeps the smaller location open. Like I said someone correct me if I am wrong there.

I don't see why football numbers should have anything to do with a school consolidating.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:26:48 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 02, 2018, 10:20:15 pm
Is Act 60 still law and forcing consolidation on those districts with enrollment under 350?

I asked a question towards the bottom of my above post so I hope someone can answer that for me and you as well.... I think the 350 number can be flexed under certain circumstances cause I want to know the answer to your question as well. Hopefully one of these 1A posters can fill us in.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:29:42 pm
Quote from: fann07 on June 02, 2018, 10:26:14 pm
I don't see why football numbers should have anything to do with a school consolidating.


If you are struggling to get 17-20 kids to play football on a yearly basis I am pretty sure in general that says something about your overall student body population probably. That's just in general because the law of averages has oddities in anything however and that does not speak for every school.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:44:23 pm
It's pretty simple.... A school with a student body of 1,200 in 10th-12th grade is going to have a lot easier time fielding a football team than a school with 120 kids in that same grade bracket. It's nothing against 2A schools, but again the reality of the situation. That's why I have grown an even greater appreciation of the 2A and 3A schools with yearly, winning programs how hard it is numbers wise. When you get to 4A is when pretty much every school can finally have some stability it seems even the bottom feeder teams not having to worry about insanely low roster numbers.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 03, 2018, 08:53:29 am
People saying schools should be consolidated cause they can't field a football team is kinda funny and sad at the same time...

St Paul is a part of the Huntsville district...I assume they've kept it open because it's still fiscally sound to do so. Hackett just closed Hartford because they said that campus was bleeding money. I assume Camden harmony Grove will do the same with Sparkman soon.

350 isn't the only factor for consolidation, if the schools are in good academic and fiscal standing then they are allowed to remain open.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Hgalum50 on June 03, 2018, 10:35:37 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on June 03, 2018, 08:53:29 am
People saying schools should be consolidated cause they can't field a football team is kinda funny and sad at the same time...

St Paul is a part of the Huntsville district...I assume they've kept it open because it's still fiscally sound to do so. Hackett just closed Hartford because they said that campus was bleeding money. I assume Camden harmony Grove will do the same with Sparkman soon.

350 isn't the only factor for consolidation, if the schools are in good academic and fiscal standing then they are allowed to remain open.
Sparkman already doesn't have athletics anymore and most their kids already come to HG I have no clue why they haven't shut that school down yet!
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 03, 2018, 11:01:18 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on June 03, 2018, 08:53:29 am
People saying schools should be consolidated cause they can't field a football team is kinda funny and sad at the same time...

St Paul is a part of the Huntsville district...I assume they've kept it open because it's still fiscally sound to do so. Hackett just closed Hartford because they said that campus was bleeding money. I assume Camden harmony Grove will do the same with Sparkman soon.

350 isn't the only factor for consolidation, if the schools are in good academic and fiscal standing then they are allowed to remain open.

Which is how it should be. 

If a school is educating their students, how they perform in athletics is irrelevant.

If a school is not doing the job teaching their students, how they perform in athletics is irrelevant.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 03, 2018, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on June 03, 2018, 08:53:29 am
People saying schools should be consolidated cause they can't field a football team is kinda funny and sad at the same time...

St Paul is a part of the Huntsville district...I assume they've kept it open because it's still fiscally sound to do so. Hackett just closed Hartford because they said that campus was bleeding money. I assume Camden harmony Grove will do the same with Sparkman soon.

350 isn't the only factor for consolidation, if the schools are in good academic and fiscal standing then they are allowed to remain open.

Didn't Weiner have a high academic rating but was still consolidated with Harrisburg?  Maybe it was the financial side that got them?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 03, 2018, 01:01:27 pm
They were victim of the 350, if I remember right.  They were in good shape academically and fiscally at the time.  The exceptions on finances and academics weren't made until later.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 03, 2018, 06:41:17 pm
I think Weiner being in better financial and academic shape than the district they were forced to join opened some eyes...
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Backwoods Bart on June 03, 2018, 07:26:48 pm
Quote from: Hgalum50 on June 03, 2018, 10:35:37 am
Sparkman already doesn't have athletics anymore and most their kids already come to HG I have no clue why they haven't shut that school down yet!

Hate it for Sparkman & all of the other bubble schools. No parent should have to truck their kids 30+ miles to get them an education, but as some of our smaller, less populated communities continue to trend down in numbers, it's a problem that is not going away. 

As far as 8 man football, for the athlete, it will definitely close a lot of doors to play collage ball. These kids already draw scrutiny just for playing 2A ball (when it comes to recruiting). 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HG Hornet on June 03, 2018, 08:46:37 pm
Quote from: Hgalum50 on June 03, 2018, 10:35:37 am
I have no clue why they haven't shut that school down yet!
Yes you do.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 03, 2018, 11:37:01 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on May 31, 2018, 09:35:46 pm
I read it that they have 47 (25 and 22) in the two grades he mentions.  Whatever the case, there is a declining enrollment so maybe its time to consolidate with Brinkley to form Monroe County High.
That was for the total class enrollment.  I honestly don't think we will have that many issues.  With all the  exciting things happening with the School of Innovation and the renovations/building that we're doing, we'll continue to draw more students.  We aren't anywhere close to needing to consolidate...however Brinkley may be in that situation soon.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 04, 2018, 06:03:54 am
Quote from: MomaLion on June 03, 2018, 11:37:01 pm
That was for the total class enrollment.  I honestly don't think we will have that many issues.  With all the  exciting things happening with the School of Innovation and the renovations/building that we're doing, we'll continue to draw more students.  We aren't anywhere close to needing to consolidate...however Brinkley may be in that situation soon.

I hope you are right but from where?  Google tells me the population of Monroe County has dropped over 13% since 2010 so what is happening to reverse that trend?  The principal seems pessimistic about future enrollment.

This cycle we are probably going to be OK, but just with our enrollment down the road, we're probably going to have to do something if we want football to survive at our school."
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on June 04, 2018, 01:20:29 pm
From 1990 until 2016 Desha county has dropped from 16,800 people down to 11,876. That is another current Mcgehee or Dumas. Happening all over the Delta.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Cheek on June 04, 2018, 07:44:47 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on June 03, 2018, 11:37:01 pm
That was for the total class enrollment.  I honestly don't think we will have that many issues.  With all the  exciting things happening with the School of Innovation and the renovations/building that we're doing, we'll continue to draw more students.  We aren't anywhere close to needing to consolidate...however Brinkley may be in that situation soon.

It does not matter what you build the Delta is drying up and the town will continue to shrink.  The largest employer in the town is the School District.  As students graduate and go off to college, they will not return.   Clarendon and Brinkley will have to consolidate in the near future. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 04, 2018, 09:55:36 pm
Quote from: Oldman on June 04, 2018, 01:20:29 pm
From 1990 until 2016 Desha county has dropped from 16,800 people down to 11,876. That is another current Mcgehee or Dumas. Happening all over the Delta.

Yep, the delta is dying.  Using the same 1990-2016 time frame, Monroe County population has dropped from 11,333 to 7,399.  That's almost 35%. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: dragon67 on June 04, 2018, 11:44:52 pm
When I taught at Bringley 1971-1972 we had 200 students per grade (which would have been 5A this school based on 5A schools this year.  2A can be 30-50 students per grade.  Also when you talk about students per grade, 1/2 will be girls.  Also, high school graduates who go to college, or to work in a larger town are not likely to come back.  That is the reason so many south and east schools and towns are decreasing in population.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 06, 2018, 12:30:12 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 04, 2018, 06:03:54 am
I hope you are right but from where?  Google tells me the population of Monroe County has dropped over 13% since 2010 so what is happening to reverse that trend?  The principal seems pessimistic about future enrollment.

This cycle we are probably going to be OK, but just with our enrollment down the road, we're probably going to have to do something if we want football to survive at our school."

We have a ton of kids that go to Marvell Academy or other area schools.  We've already seen some of those transferring back to Clarendon and with the new facilities I expect to get some from Brinkley as well.  It may take a couple more years, but I don't think we'll have any issues fielding a team.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 06, 2018, 12:34:48 am
Quote from: Cheek on June 04, 2018, 07:44:47 pm
It does not matter what you build the Delta is drying up and the town will continue to shrink.  The largest employer in the town is the School District.  As students graduate and go off to college, they will not return.   Clarendon and Brinkley will have to consolidate in the near future.

I have no problem with consolidating with Brinkley, we've seen it coming for years...however, the consolidation would happen because Brinkley needs to consolidate.  We may be low in football numbers but we have plenty of students to stay afloat ourselves.  Unfortunately kids nowadays want to jump to whichever school has the best facilities/teams...while I think that's wrong, we should benefit a bit from that mentality.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 06, 2018, 09:10:21 am
AAA approves as a club sport for 2018.

The Arkansas Activities Association's board of directors approved eight-man football as a club sport during the first day of the association's summer workshop on Tuesday at the Holiday Inn Little Rock Airport Conference Center.

Five teams have expressed interest in playing eight-man football for the 2018 season -- Augusta, Decatur, Episcopal Collegiate, Hermitage and Arkansas Christian Academy. Only Arkansas Christian Academy is not currently a AAA member in football as it plays in the Heartland Christian School Athletic Association. Those five schools showed their interest in a meeting May 30 at the AAA office in North Little Rock, where 11 other schools also were in attendance.

A club season would last 10 games with no championship. Schools have until July 1 to decide whether they want to play eight-man football. If there is enough interest, Steve Roberts, the AAA associate executive director, will handle eight-man football schedules.

The high school football regular season for 11-man football begins Monday, Aug. 20, but it is not certain when the eight-man football season would begin.

The board also approved the use of the association's catastrophe insurance policy for eight-man football teams. The policy provides coverage for students who are injured in AAA games or practices.

While the AAA does not sponsor club sports, the association does offer its insurance policy to AAA members that play in those sports. Other club sports in the state include bass fishing and trap shooting.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 06, 2018, 09:15:13 am
Quote from: MomaLion on June 06, 2018, 12:30:12 am
We have a ton of kids that go to Marvell Academy or other area schools.  We've already seen some of those transferring back to Clarendon and with the new facilities I expect to get some from Brinkley as well.  It may take a couple more years, but I don't think we'll have any issues fielding a team.

Again, hope enrollment maintains or grows but curious about your Brinkley comment.  Are kids living within the Brinkley district allowed to attend Clarendon?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on June 06, 2018, 06:28:18 pm
At least it's a start.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: WonderWartHawg on June 06, 2018, 07:39:41 pm
Quote from: old.dole on May 30, 2018, 05:09:27 pm
Woodlawn should be next

Woodlawn decided to stay with 11 man for the time being. Expecting roster in the mid 20's, had 21 go through spring.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 06, 2018, 08:03:56 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on June 06, 2018, 12:34:48 am
I have no problem with consolidating with Brinkley, we've seen it coming for years...however, the consolidation would happen because Brinkley needs to consolidate.  We may be low in football numbers but we have plenty of students to stay afloat ourselves.  Unfortunately kids nowadays want to jump to whichever school has the best facilities/teams...while I think that's wrong, we should benefit a bit from that mentality.

Why in the world would you not send your kids to the best possible place to succeed? Usually a school that invests in its facilities means the morale is good in a community?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 06, 2018, 10:17:38 pm
Looking at the five interested teams what stands out is horrendously long travel times.    With fuel prices headed up and no confirmed interest by fans in 8 man football it seems like a guaranteed money hole for several small schools.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: 4real on June 06, 2018, 11:55:03 pm
Quote from: beach bum on June 02, 2018, 10:15:43 pm
Take a look at the schools on the chopping block numbers wise for both and you will see a lot of schools named on both future potential lists down the road.... AW is on to something, and as much as it stings some 2A folks to hear. I don't like that reality either, but it is what it is and he is right. Football is still a sport that requires 11 on the field at one time with 17-21 healthy bodies to realistically have a team even. And with less kids playing the sport its going to become so hard for the schools to keep a football program. Just wait another 10-15 years and you will see another round of consolidating happen again. All it takes it one governor to make the 350 number firm and its over. Isn't there some flexibility with that number going on already where some schools should be closed but the location is still open being ran by another district? I am pretty sure Saint Paul is ran by Huntsville, but the Saint Paul location is still there. Like I said wait for another governor who goes firm with a number and closes even more 1A schools. Can someone fill me in on the Saint Paul/Huntsville scenario cause I think that is going on in other spots in the state where the 350 number can be flexed if the "parent district" keeps the smaller location open. Like I said someone correct me if I am wrong there.
st Paul remaining open has nothing to do with the state, it is open by the good Mercy of Huntsville.  The numbers have remained steady and they have not bled money, so Huntsville let's the stay open.  In some cases consolidation is needed and in others it's not. But FB has nothing to do with consolidation.  We've got some good sized 3A and I think even a 4A or two that don't have FB.  Whether we start 8man or 6man I think is great. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: clipping on June 07, 2018, 08:18:17 pm
I think as 8 man develops in the state it will become very strong.   There  are smaller schools that have kids wanting to play football and won't get the chance unless 8 man is started in the state.  It's exciting for towns and schools who have never had a football team to finally get one.  Should have been done years ago.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 08, 2018, 12:56:41 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 06, 2018, 09:15:13 am
Again, hope enrollment maintains or grows but curious about your Brinkley comment.  Are kids living within the Brinkley district allowed to attend Clarendon?
School Choice...that's why Brinkley has declined so much, they lost tons of kids to McCrory and PW.  Kids can go anywhere they want now.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 08, 2018, 01:11:49 am
Quote from: beach bum on June 06, 2018, 08:03:56 pm
Why in the world would you not send your kids to the best possible place to succeed? Usually a school that invests in its facilities means the morale is good in a community?
And that's the mentality that is killing small schools and allowing segregation to happen.  It's not just who has the best facilities/teams, but white parents sending kids to white schools and black parents sending kids to black schools.  That's what I don't like.  We as a society have to learn to get along with everyone regardless of race/nationality and that starts in school.  I went to college with a girl that had attended private school all her life and she was scared to interact with anyone that wasn't white...not that she was prejudiced, but she didn't know how to interact and was painfully uncomfortable.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on June 08, 2018, 05:17:06 am
Quote from: MomaLion on June 08, 2018, 12:56:41 am
School Choice...that's why Brinkley has declined so much, they lost tons of kids to McCrory and PW.  Kids can go anywhere they want now.
PW hasn't got a ton of kids from Brinkley 12 to 15 is about it ,  and some of them wasn't school choice,  Parents are and have been teachers at PW for a long time.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 08, 2018, 01:52:05 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on June 08, 2018, 12:56:41 am
School Choice...that's why Brinkley has declined so much, they lost tons of kids to McCrory and PW.  Kids can go anywhere they want now.

Wasn't aware that kids can go anywhere they want.  Using Cabot as an example, some of their back-ups would probably be studs at smaller schools.  If I was coaching at Beebe, Lonoke or even Carlisle, I would go on a recruiting trip.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on June 08, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 08, 2018, 01:52:05 pm
Wasn't aware that kids can go anywhere they want.  Using Cabot as an example, some of their back-ups would probably be studs at smaller schools.  If I was coaching at Beebe, Lonoke or even Carlisle, I would go on a recruiting trip.
There is some fine print in school choice. It's not as simple as you can go anywhere you want.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 08, 2018, 04:35:34 pm
Quote from: Oldman on June 08, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
There is some fine print in school choice. It's not as simple as you can go anywhere you want.

You mean there is misinformation on a message board??!!  I'm shocked .  :)
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 10, 2018, 11:57:05 pm
Quote from: Oldman on June 08, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
There is some fine print in school choice. It's not as simple as you can go anywhere you want.
There are rules concerning school choice and sports but just changing schools, as far as i'm aware, you only need to meet the deadline on enrolling at a new school to be able to switch.  Are there other criteria that need to be met?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on June 11, 2018, 05:26:19 am
You can get waivers from the AAA for sports in some circumstances. To do that the school that you are leaving has to release the student to the school they are trying to enter.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on June 11, 2018, 08:53:02 am
Quote from: MomaLion on June 10, 2018, 11:57:05 pm
There are rules concerning school choice and sports but just changing schools, as far as i'm aware, you only need to meet the deadline on enrolling at a new school to be able to switch.  Are there other criteria that need to be met?
Pretty sure there are some racial balance guidelines. Its all confusing to me.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: WarriorFan on June 11, 2018, 11:23:09 am
Quote from: 4real on June 01, 2018, 09:12:49 pm
I think its a good thing.  How can it be a bad deal?  The only gray area is figuring out at what number of enrollment do school deserve eligibility for 8 man, vs sandbagging with 11 man numbers.  Hard thing to figure.

Sad its taken this long to get enough school on board.  15 years ago Hartford made a call to the AAA to get permission to play Oklahoma schools an 8 man schedule, knowing that they would be independent in FB and not eligible for the OK playoffs.  They just figured it was better for their kids, of which there were about 13-15 consistently, to play 8-10 games in a competitive setting and fun, instead of playing Charleston, Danville, Pea Ridge, Elkins and that bunch back at that time in the old 2A.
Don Brodell shut the idea down.  He told the Hartford coach that if they chose to do so, they would be ineligible for post season play in all sports.  Crooked.


No not the Great Don Brodell??????
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Yogi bear on June 12, 2018, 07:30:01 pm
 Has anyone heard if  Woodlawn playing eight man football now?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: eldofan on June 12, 2018, 08:13:58 pm
I read something recently that they are going to field a 11 man squad .
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on June 12, 2018, 09:11:40 pm
I heard 8 man in senior and junior high!
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: eldofan on June 12, 2018, 09:15:13 pm
Quote from: WonderWartHawg on June 06, 2018, 07:39:41 pm
Woodlawn decided to stay with 11 man for the time being. Expecting roster in the mid 20's, had 21 go through spring.
woodlawn 11 man football per WonderWartHawg
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 12, 2018, 09:41:04 pm
Quote from: old.dole on June 12, 2018, 09:11:40 pm
I heard 8 man in senior and junior high!

Sounds right.  Conference opponents are posting two open dates - one for Hermitage, one for Woodlawn.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on June 13, 2018, 07:56:25 am
Quote from: Yogi bear on June 12, 2018, 07:30:01 pm
Has anyone heard if  Woodlawn playing eight man football now?
Pretty sure they play 9
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Wendell Robinson on June 13, 2018, 05:24:21 pm
Quote from: Yogi bear on June 12, 2018, 07:30:01 pm
Has anyone heard if  Woodlawn playing eight man football now?

I got information from the most reliable source there is on it. Woodlawn voted at Monday school board meeting to play 8 man. PM me for the source if you think you need to know.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: eldofan on June 13, 2018, 05:50:53 pm
Seems like football just isn't a main sport over there . With an enrollment of 125 students seems like more kids would be interested.  State champion foreman has an enrollment similar to woodlawn .
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: baseball13 on June 14, 2018, 04:04:30 pm
Quote from: eldofan on June 13, 2018, 05:50:53 pm
Seems like football just isn't a main sport over there . With an enrollment of 125 students seems like more kids would be interested.  State champion foreman has an enrollment similar to woodlawn .


You are right football is NOT a main sport over there. When you win state Championships in baseball the way they do that is all you worry about.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: WonderWartHawg on June 16, 2018, 08:55:37 pm
Quote from: WonderWartHawg on June 06, 2018, 07:39:41 pm
Woodlawn decided to stay with 11 man for the time being. Expecting roster in the mid 20's, had 21 go through spring.

Well, Woodlawn pulled an about face and has decided to make the jump to 8 man NOW.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on June 16, 2018, 11:16:19 pm
With 6 teams you can now play a full 10-game schedule with a home and home double round robin. Long road trips might be worth playing at a neutral site halfway.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 17, 2018, 08:09:27 am
What happens when schools can't get enough kids out for 8 man football?   Go to 6 man football like lots of small schools in West Texas?


And what about field width?    8-man is played on a field only 40 yards wide.   Are the schools involved going to go to the trouble of remarking fields which of course means putting fans further away from the action?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: BillieBacker on June 17, 2018, 08:41:46 am
Quote from: friscokid on June 16, 2018, 11:16:19 pm
With 6 teams you can now play a full 10-game schedule with a home and home double round robin. Long road trips might be worth playing at a neutral site halfway.

Who all is playing 8 man football?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 18, 2018, 01:13:41 am
Quote from: Oldman on June 11, 2018, 08:53:02 am
Pretty sure there are some racial balance guidelines. Its all confusing to me.
Brinkley tried going to court a while back to stop kids from being able to use school choice to leave Brinkley siting school segregation.  It didn't work.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on June 18, 2018, 05:57:12 am
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 17, 2018, 08:09:27 am
What happens when schools can't get enough kids out for 8 man football?   Go to 6 man football like lots of small schools in West Texas?


And what about field width?    8-man is played on a field only 40 yards wide.   Are the schools involved going to go to the trouble of remarking fields which of course means putting fans further away from the action?
Different states have different rules. Arkansas could decide to keep the regulation field for 8-man for the time being.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Wendell Robinson on June 19, 2018, 11:28:58 am
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 17, 2018, 08:09:27 am
What happens when schools can't get enough kids out for 8 man football?   Go to 6 man football like lots of small schools in West Texas?


And what about field width?    8-man is played on a field only 40 yards wide.   Are the schools involved going to go to the trouble of remarking fields which of course means putting fans further away from the action?

As friscokid stated, this season the schools have the option of what they want to play on, and if/when it becomes a fully sanctioned sport the AAA will put forth a mandate of the rules. Each state varies on what they wish to play on. Most schools that I have spoken with are fine with the narrower field for a variety of reasons. Less to take care of means upkeep cost goes down for one.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on June 22, 2018, 07:41:34 am
Woah, woah, woah. Who says that Brinkley is looking to consolidate with anyone? When Brinkley is planning on building an entirely new school in general. We all know that the powers that be in Monroe county, will never let that happen. Im just waiting on some mark to question that we are in the process of building a new school, as if they're from or know someone there as I do. But kids are leaving for McCrory, and PW. Its certain churches and their members in Brinkley, that totally encourage people to move their kids to other districts. Mainly because they aren't in control, or feel like they dont have a say in anything. When they were silent to begin with. Just because little Johnny or Jane wasn't getting their way. Im proud of where im from, even when others aren't. But they're always the first one's to complain.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 23, 2018, 12:32:30 pm
School choice is killing small town football. Kids should want to represent the town they are from. The whole purpose of High School Sports was to put the best of your town against the best of another town. Key word here is "Town"
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on June 23, 2018, 05:46:14 pm
I totally agree MT
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on June 24, 2018, 04:34:37 pm
School choice theoretically should work both ways. A kid who can't sniff the field at Cabot can go tear it up at Des Arc, for example, or a waterboy in Conway can hike up to Quitman and be a BMOC. Numerous small schools just outside of bigger areas have made a nice living with this dynamic for years.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 25, 2018, 04:36:08 am
Quote from: jbtiger73 on June 22, 2018, 07:41:34 am
Woah, woah, woah. Who says that Brinkley is looking to consolidate with anyone? When Brinkley is planning on building an entirely new school in general. We all know that the powers that be in Monroe county, will never let that happen. Im just waiting on some mark to question that we are in the process of building a new school, as if they're from or know someone there as I do. But kids are leaving for McCrory, and PW. Its certain churches and their members in Brinkley, that totally encourage people to move their kids to other districts. Mainly because they aren't in control, or feel like they dont have a say in anything. When they were silent to begin with. Just because little Johnny or Jane wasn't getting their way. Im proud of where im from, even when others aren't. But they're always the first one's to complain.

Now that the vote didn't pass, what will happen? The writing is on the wall with Brinkley's numbers steadily dropping.  As for the powers that be...they have to answer to the state.  Within 5 years, if not sooner, there will be one county school.  I don't like it any more than you do but that's just how these things go.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 06:04:20 am
Quote from: friscokid on June 24, 2018, 04:34:37 pm
School choice theoretically should work both ways. A kid who can't sniff the field at Cabot can go tear it up at Des Arc, for example, or a waterboy in Conway can hike up to Quitman and be a BMOC. Numerous small schools just outside of bigger areas have made a nice living with this dynamic for years.
still doesn't make it right. If a kid ain't cutting it at a bigger school he don't need to leave for a smaller one.He needs to work harder and get good enough to play for his town.school choice just gives a kid a easy way out and a way he doesn't have to work hard. Oh I'll just go play at a smaller school and shine. Lol makes since for this lazy generation though.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 06:15:34 am
Quote from: MomaLion on June 25, 2018, 04:36:08 am
Now that the vote didn't pass, what will happen? The writing is on the wall with Brinkley's numbers steadily dropping.  As for the powers that be...they have to answer to the state.  Within 5 years, if not sooner, there will be one county school.  I don't like it any more than you do but that's just how these things go.
lets hope Brinkley can keep their doors open,Maybe the new school will help keep kids at home where they belong.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 08:46:49 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2013/12/27/in-rural-america-school-sports-dying-with-the-population/amp/

This ain't good. I for one hate it. It seems to me small town sports are being purposely targeted. Pushing everything towards the bigger towns or consolidation.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 25, 2018, 11:58:37 am
Quote from: friscokid on June 24, 2018, 04:34:37 pm
School choice theoretically should work both ways. A kid who can’t sniff the field at Cabot can go tear it up at Des Arc, for example, or a waterboy in Conway can hike up to Quitman and be a BMOC. Numerous small schools just outside of bigger areas have made a nice living with this dynamic for years.

Doesn't necessarily work that way though.    Three of the kids who would've played for Augusta went to Searcy and basically started there.     Same with two Augusta players who went to McCrory.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on June 25, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
School choice is just legal segregation. If you want to play for school A then live in school A district. It doesn't get any simpler than that
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 25, 2018, 02:53:05 pm
Quote from: old.dole on June 25, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
School choice is just legal segregation. If you want to play for school A then live in school A district. It doesn’t get any simpler than that

There was the claim that without school choice poor performing schools were basically holding students hostage by way of their place of residence and that students benefited if their parents could simply choose to send them to better schools.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: old.dole on June 25, 2018, 03:39:28 pm
Then that's when the state should step in instead of allowing those who can afford it send their kids somewhere else. Most not all but most of the time school choice decisions are not made academically imo
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 05:26:04 pm
School choice is a joke. They knew they was killing small towns when they started this. Fact they probably even planned this for all we know lol. Facts are this bigger towns mean more "MONEY" consolidations means more "MONEY" it came down to kids vs "MONEY" and "MONEY" won.end of story.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 26, 2018, 01:40:03 am
Quote from: MT Legend on June 25, 2018, 06:15:34 am
lets hope Brinkley can keep their doors open,Maybe the new school will help keep kids at home where they belong.
Unless they have a genie to grant them 3 wishes, they aren't getting a new school...at least not right now.  The vote failed.  They wanted to increase everyone's personal/property taxes by 35%.
I do agree that kids should stay at their home school whenever possible.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 26, 2018, 01:41:18 am
Quote from: old.dole on June 25, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
School choice is just legal segregation. If you want to play for school A then live in school A district. It doesn't get any simpler than that
You hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on June 26, 2018, 09:02:29 am
You must not have heard about the terminix lawsuit we have against them. Plus, the majority of the people that voted against it, were people who's kids or grandkids don't attend school there. Which absolutely sucks. And those are all people who graduated from Brinkley High School. They ougt to be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on June 26, 2018, 03:28:34 pm
Someone help get me up to speed. How many teams are going to play 8 man? I will get 8 man its own board if enough are playing it.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 26, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 26, 2018, 10:42:16 pm
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 26, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?


Well it has its own section on here now.... So I am thinking the answer is yes.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on June 26, 2018, 10:49:51 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 26, 2018, 03:28:34 pm
Someone help get me up to speed. How many teams are going to play 8 man? I will get 8 man its own board if enough are playing it.


I personally love the move to give 8 man its own board.... I think it will turn into a great board as the years go by and more schools join.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 27, 2018, 01:03:59 am
Quote from: jbtiger73 on June 26, 2018, 09:02:29 am
You must not have heard about the terminix lawsuit we have against them. Plus, the majority of the people that voted against it, were people who's kids or grandkids don't attend school there. Which absolutely sucks. And those are all people who graduated from Brinkley High School. They ougt to be ashamed of themselves.
No, I know all about the lawsuit that will take years to end.  As for those people that voted against, it was because the proposed tax was far too high and most felt like other options weren't explored...ie fixing existing buildings.  I followed the debate fairly closely as I technically live in the Brinkley district and this vote directly affected my family.  And before you fuss about us living in Brinkley district and sending kids to Clarendon...many years ago when I was in school there was a discrepancy discovered in the district lines that would put our family and our neighbor's family in Brinkley district when we'd always attended Clarendon because that's where we were told was our district.  My parents and our neighbor's parents went before both Brinkley school board to be released and Clarendon board to be accepted.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on June 27, 2018, 07:04:22 pm
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 26, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
Does FearlessFriday really need a special forum for football played by six small schools across the state?
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on June 28, 2018, 01:47:51 am
Of the schools that do take up 8-man, how many will be first-time players and how many will be former 11-man teams that struggled?

If the former holds up, I think 8-man will be vibrant. Bringing in new schools and giving student-athletes the opportunity to play football is most of the point of it. If it's nothing but a bunch of old 2A bottom teams, I fear it'll be looked at as the kiddie table.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on June 28, 2018, 05:08:53 am
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 27, 2018, 07:04:22 pm
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.
Mothers protesting all across the world to end football because of head injuries and so on.We could be witnessing the end of football all together. Nebraska and Michigan both are dyeing and other states are slowly fading away as well.sad days ahead for football I'm afraid.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 28, 2018, 09:18:10 am
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on June 27, 2018, 07:04:22 pm
And you are perfectly free to never click on the 8 man board again. Stop griping and move on.

In the next three years when there are 40 to 50 schools playing it, there may be more than one devoted to 8 man.

Dang Eddie,

Over 65,000 slaps?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: OB11 on June 28, 2018, 09:58:47 am
This could have some interesting implications over the next few years. I imagine there will be quite a few schools that don't currently have football that add 8 man if this gains some traction. It will be interesting to see how coaches move around. Might be some great opportunities for assistants that are looking for a first head coaching job. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Okieback on June 28, 2018, 10:28:23 am
Quote from: Cheek on June 02, 2018, 03:18:48 pm
It will be tough this year.  The Coaches will have to learn the rules of 8 man football along with the officials.   The fields are smaller so some goal post will have to be moved.  It will take a few years to get going.


Actually teams have the option to play on an 80 yard or 100 yard field.  Only thing really different is the width, 40 yards vs 52
Rule wise it's pretty the same, just adjust for number of men on LOS.  And mercy rules of I think 45 plus and game is over at the half or anytime after the half that it reaches that point.

Now strategy wise, yes much different.  It is so geared towards the offense one almost has to play man to man on the back end or you get out flanked fast.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Gray lizard on June 28, 2018, 10:47:56 am
In Wyoming if you have a college degree a person can attend three coaching clinics over the summer and receive certification for coaching.
I went to a 6 man game while out there hunting.  Watched the Kaycee Buckaroos win on there way to a third strait State championship. One exceptional player can really change a team.  Their three year run was due to a boy named Ramirez. He graduated so I bet their run is over.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 28, 2018, 11:01:51 am
Quote from: Gray lizard on June 28, 2018, 10:47:56 am
In Wyoming if you have a college degree a person can attend three coaching clinics over the summer and receive certification for coaching.
I went to a 6 man game while out there hunting.  Watched the Kaycee Buckaroos win on there way to a third strait State championship. One exceptional player can really change a team.  Their three year run was due to a boy named Ramirez. He graduated so I bet their run is over.

I would say this is true in all small school football
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 28, 2018, 11:27:47 am
Quote from: purpleswag on June 28, 2018, 11:01:51 am
I would say this is true in all small school football

Yeah this can make a 2A or 3A team succeed. Once you get much bigger you see bigger line's, overall talented running backs, and decent defenses.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: YOUKNOWWHO on June 28, 2018, 02:07:39 pm
Hampton may better come play in this league!
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 28, 2018, 02:25:50 pm
Quote from: YOUKNOWWHO on June 28, 2018, 02:07:39 pm
Hampton may better come play in this league!

What if schools that were big enough, such as a Benton/Bryant or Little Rock schools had this as a intramural type option?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on June 28, 2018, 11:26:10 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on June 28, 2018, 05:08:53 am
Mothers protesting all across the world to end football because of head injuries and so on.We could be witnessing the end of football all together. Nebraska and Michigan both are dyeing and other states are slowly fading away as well.sad days ahead for football I'm afraid.
It's a very valid point.  I'm not saying to do away with football but i've seen coaches put kids right back in the game after they clearly had a concussion and that should never happen.  One instance that comes to mind was a 7th grade game where the player took a massive hit and was staggering all over the field. Their coach continued to play him and still had him sitting on the bench during the Jr game...this was a few years back.  Anyway, the kid fell off the bench and started seizing so the called the ambulance over...he then stopped breathing and they wound up med flighting him from the field.  That could have totally been avoided with proper care from the time of the concussion.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Greenie on July 03, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 03, 2018, 01:45:38 pm
Quote from: Greenie on July 03, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.

Actually, alot of people know about this school. You pass it every time you drive to Branson, Missouri. I think the start up costs may be too high, and where would they play? I think a team like Marshall, also on the way to Branson, could play 8-Man as well.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 03, 2018, 01:45:38 pm
Actually, alot of people know about this school. You pass it every time you drive to Branson, Missouri. I think the start up costs may be too high, and where would they play? I think a team like Marshall, also on the way to Branson, could play 8-Man as well.

Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on July 03, 2018, 11:20:47 pm
Quote from: Greenie on July 03, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not a lot of people know but there is a school between Greenbrier and Clinton called South Side in Bee Branch. They are a small 1a (I think they are moving up to 2a in 2019) but i was wondering how i could possibly persuade the school to get a field and start up 8 man. I know there aren't a lot of school in 8 man and honestly 8 man needs more schools.
8-man is perfect for schools this size, but schools that are good in basketball will resist adding football for fear of losing their mojo in hoops. And there are a ton of them in North Central Arkansas, including SSBB.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 04, 2018, 11:33:02 am
Quote from: friscokid on July 03, 2018, 11:20:47 pm
8-man is perfect for schools this size, but schools that are good in basketball will resist adding football for fear of losing their mojo in hoops. And there are a ton of them in North Central Arkansas, including SSBB.

Southside isn't good in basketball thought....they're a baseball school, and get reminded of it when they think they're having a good basketball year lol
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: snapples3 on July 04, 2018, 06:48:56 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

I do agree, but what do you think about 2a or even 3a schools that have struggled with numbers or even had to cancel games and seasons recently? Like Augusta in 2017, Rose Bud a couple games in 2015 and half of the 2016 season, Marshall in 2012, for example.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on July 04, 2018, 09:41:14 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

Exactly!  State needs to hold hard to 1A/2A enrollment only for 8 man. Without standards like that, field gets skewed. Happens in other states, 8-man teams dressing 30 guys.  If that many in uniform, they should play 11-man.

Quote from: snapples3 on July 04, 2018, 06:48:56 pm
I do agree, but what do you think about 2a or even 3a schools that have struggled with numbers or even had to cancel games and seasons recently? Like Augusta in 2017, Rose Bud a couple games in 2015 and half of the 2016 season, Marshall in 2012, for example.

Drop football. It's not for everybody.  If the state doesn't keep cut and dry standards for 8-man in place, it'll get abused FAST by folks wanting to be big fish in very tiny pond.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: birddawg1986 on July 05, 2018, 06:32:11 am
You would have to establish a 12-15 man roster limit.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 05, 2018, 08:29:12 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 03, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Marshall is 3a....8 man shouldn't be treated as a cop out for schools that don't compete well in 11 Man...

It doesn't matter, they have low numbers. Just like schools such as Woodlawn or Hermitage.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on July 05, 2018, 09:23:24 am
Quote from: birddawg1986 on July 05, 2018, 06:32:11 am
You would have to establish a 12-15 man roster limit.

If I recall correctly,   Barton in the not too distant past played in the state title game with about 15 players who could take the field.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Sweet Feet on July 05, 2018, 02:14:36 pm
So glad all this is happening. My heart has hurt over the years for the kids in small towns who do want to play football but their school numbers are too low to field a team.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: gameoflife on July 05, 2018, 02:50:57 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on June 28, 2018, 11:26:10 pm
It's a very valid point.  I'm not saying to do away with football but i've seen coaches put kids right back in the game after they clearly had a concussion and that should never happen.  One instance that comes to mind was a 7th grade game where the player took a massive hit and was staggering all over the field. Their coach continued to play him and still had him sitting on the bench during the Jr game...this was a few years back.  Anyway, the kid fell off the bench and started seizing so the called the ambulance over...he then stopped breathing and they wound up med flighting him from the field.  That could have totally been avoided with proper care from the time of the concussion.

Seriously?  I imagine the coach lost his job and was sued to high heaven for that screw-up.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 05, 2018, 08:29:22 pm
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 05, 2018, 08:29:12 am
It doesn't matter, they have low numbers. Just like schools such as Woodlawn or Hermitage.

I've heard of 5a and 6a schools struggling with numbers sometimes....should they be allowed to play 8 man if they fall below a participation level? What if you see schools like LR Central put an unofficial cap on their roster at 25 ?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 06, 2018, 02:29:16 am
Quote from: gameoflife on July 05, 2018, 02:50:57 pm
Seriously?  I imagine the coach lost his job and was sued to high heaven for that screw-up.
Doubtful...I won't mention the school, but they pretty much live and breathe football at any cost.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 06, 2018, 05:12:55 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 06, 2018, 02:29:16 am
Doubtful...I won't mention the school, but they pretty much live and breathe football at any cost.
Seems like some priorities are not in order.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on July 07, 2018, 11:37:17 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 05, 2018, 08:29:22 pm
I've heard of 5a and 6a schools struggling with numbers sometimes....should they be allowed to play 8 man if they fall below a participation level? What if you see schools like LR Central put an unofficial cap on their roster at 25 ?

In Oklahoma, theoretically Broken Arrow and Jenks could play 8-man if they applied to ... but of course it'll never happen because Oklahoma caps the number at the smallest 80 schools that apply. Once 8-man gets rolling in Arkansas, I assume there'll be a similar setup — I think 36 is probably the best number for this state starting out.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on July 07, 2018, 11:52:47 am
I will add that Arkansas can also put an enrollment cap on 8-man to keep it from becoming a travesty where all these big schools drop down. I'd say 150 is a fair number.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 07, 2018, 07:10:21 pm
Schools are only going to drop down out of necessity, so you guys can quit worrying about that. This is last step before becoming a ghost program. They're not doing it to win a title or dominate little schools. They're doing to remain alive. If it is a 3A school, so be it.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 08, 2018, 11:33:45 am
By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 08, 2018, 11:56:13 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 08, 2018, 11:33:45 am
By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.

Cause CTE is real....
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 08, 2018, 11:33:45 am
By The year 2021 we will be playing 2 hand touch on Friday nights. You now have ex NFL players saying they will not encourage their sons to play football,They want them to play other sports that are less violent.
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.

Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 09, 2018, 02:28:00 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 08, 2018, 11:56:13 am
Cause CTE is real....
Exactly.  As a parent with a child that has been told by her concussion specialists that she will most likely have CTE as the result of numerous concussions from competitive cheerleading(can't diagnose with certainty until autopsy)...it's real people.  And she didn't even play football.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Okieback on July 09, 2018, 10:45:50 am
Quote from: friscokid on July 07, 2018, 11:37:17 am
In Oklahoma, theoretically Broken Arrow and Jenks could play 8-man if they applied to ... but of course it'll never happen because Oklahoma caps the number at the smallest 80 schools that apply. Once 8-man gets rolling in Arkansas, I assume there'll be a similar setup — I think 36 is probably the best number for this state starting out.

Wrong, only class A, 11 man schools can apply for 8 man.  Now if they were independent or somehow joined the Christian small school association that Union Christian joined 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 09, 2018, 02:49:34 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere
My point is that the folks most vocal about pushing for the demise of football push a sport that causes as many or more concussions than football does.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 05:00:21 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.


College football is where that all changes when the collisions get way more violent.... If kids are taught to tackle properly there just aren't a whole lot of kids at the high school level capable of laying the really hard hits yet.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 05:02:53 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere


I agree... Soccer is thriving particularly in urban USA. And I agree football is just fine too. I think its great soccer is growing.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 09, 2018, 05:24:11 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 09, 2018, 02:49:34 pm
My point is that the folks most vocal about pushing for the demise of football push a sport that causes as many or more concussions than football does.

I've been keeping up with soccer for about 6 years now. Major league soccer here in the US and English premier league in England. I have not heard anyone in the sport say anything about pushing for the demise of American football in hopes to increase the participation of soccer. #1 soccer is the most played sport in the world. If anything, basketball and baseball/softball do a good enough job of getting people out of football in this state and nation. Along with iPhones, social media and video games.

I'm fascinated that soccer has quickly become the scapegoat for declining football numbers yet allocated monies in schools, universities and tv still far exceed anything non football related. But I can't say I'm suprised. I love football like the next.

BTW Eddie, love your Robert California sig line. Robert California was awesome...especially in his farewell party at his mansion ha.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 05:54:36 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 08, 2018, 08:54:45 pm
And soccer will continue to rise in popularity.

Anyone care to guess the number one high school sport with the largest number of participants suffering concussions?


You guessed it, girls high school soccer.
yes sir this is correct the "soft" Sports will now become more popular.Football is a tough mans sport those times are long gone. When we was growing up you laid a hard hit both sidelines and stands got fired up. Now you lay that same hit it becomes a debate rather or not it was malicious attempt to hurt the kid. Lol
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 06:03:32 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 08, 2018, 10:56:44 pm
Nothing wrong with that.


All of y'all worrying about football fading away is remarkable to me. It isn't going anywhere
you may want to look at Michigan and Nebraska where it is dyeing dayly. Yes football is fading and the more these concussions keep happening the more mothers you have joining the fight to end it.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 06:54:51 pm
If is official. Seven Arkansas High Schools will be playing 8-man football, as a club sport, for the 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 cycle.
Class 2A schools Hermitage, Decatur, Woodlawn, and Augusta, will join Class 3A Episcopal Collegiate School, and the Arkansas School for the Deaf and Arkansas Christian School in the 8-man league this season. All seven schools will play each other one time, so the ASD and ACS will have a six game season. Hermitage, Decatur, Woodlawn, Augusta, and ECS will play each other twice and will have 10-game schedules. The drop to 8-man will have serious impact on Class 2A schedules, with the 2A-8 being most affected (Woodlawn and Heritage). Augusta is a member of 2A-3 and Decatur the 2A-4. Episcopal Collegiate is a member of the 3A-6. All schools will continue to play other varsity sports in their respective classifications.

42 Sports just posted this. Well it's official Arkansas is now in the 8 man game.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: SouthpawSensation on July 09, 2018, 06:59:16 pm
There has been no announcement made by the AAA. Therefore, how can it be official?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:00:46 pm
I don't personally like it myself. I don't see how this is a positive for the sport in a whole. I believe this should be for 1A only when you open it up to higher then 1A I just believe it will do more harm to a 11 man football at the lower classifications then good.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 09, 2018, 07:13:13 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 06:03:32 pm
you may want to look at Michigan and Nebraska where it is dyeing dayly. Yes football is fading and the more these concussions keep happening the more mothers you have joining the fight to end it.

Nebraska is fading because they are living in the 80s. They also jetted to the big 10 to get away from Texas. Which has killed them over the years. They used to live off Texas recruits.

Michigan is also in the same boat. Minus moving conferences. Michigan used to get the best WRs out of the state of Ohio(see Mario Manningham). Urban Meyer has changed that.

Michigan and Nebraska have been mediocre and irrelevant for some time now. Not sure that is soccer's fault but better football in the south. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 07:45:04 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 05:54:36 pm
yes sir this is correct the "soft" Sports will now become more popular.Football is a tough mans sport those times are long gone. When we was growing up you laid a hard hit both sidelines and stands got fired up. Now you lay that same hit it becomes a debate rather or not it was malicious attempt to hurt the kid. Lol


You do realize that in professional soccer games they have to be fit enough to move anywhere between 6 and 10 miles on a given match? I am not sure that classifies as being "soft". You don't just wake up one day and be that physically fit to handle that much daily mileage. I say that as a person who has ran multiple marathons and logged up to 70 miles running per week. There is no sport that you can be "soft" in and be elite at it. It just sounds like you only think a sport can be tough if that means crashing into each other with pads. I love practically every sport there is on this planet including football and soccer, but they all require their certain skill sets. We just live in a culture conditioned to value big things. That goes for sports, cars, houses, etc..... I used to see kids in football that got in trouble and for their punishment they would be asked to jog 2 miles before or after practice. They would be moaning and crying by the end by simply being asked to jog for almost 20 minutes consecutively. Those "tough kids" did not seem so tough when asked to do that. Football players with their body sizes could never log 6 to 10 miles a day in training or games just like soccer players could not handle being tackled by a college or pro linebacker so I am not sure what you even mean by "tough" sports?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:46:40 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 09, 2018, 07:13:13 pm
Nebraska is fading because they are living in the 80s. They also jetted to the big 10 to get away from Texas. Which has killed them over the years. They used to live off Texas recruits.

Michigan is also in the same boat. Minus moving conferences. Michigan used to get the best WRs out of the state of Ohio(see Mario Manningham). Urban Meyer has changed that.

Michigan and Nebraska have been mediocre and irrelevant for some time now. Not sure that is soccer's fault but better football in the south.
however you want to spin it. I doubt Nebraska leaving the Big 12 is the reason. It had already started before they joined the the Big 10. Mothers against football is killing it. It's here in Colorado it's everywhere. Arkansas is always last to the party in everything.so give it sometime and you will feel the wrath of these mothers as well.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:48:38 pm
Quote from: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 07:45:04 pm

You do realize that in professional soccer games they have to be fit enough to move anywhere between 6 and 10 miles on a given match? I am not sure that classifies as being "soft". You don't just wake up one day and be that physically fit to handle that much daily mileage. I say that as a person who has ran multiple marathons and logged up to 70 miles running per week. There is no sport that you can be "soft" in and be elite at it. It just sounds like you only think a sport can be tough if that means crashing into each other with pads. I love practically every sport there is on this planet including football and soccer, but they all require their certain skill sets. We just live in a culture conditioned to value big things. That goes for sports, cars, houses, etc..... I used to see kids in football that got in trouble and for their punishment they would be asked to jog 2 miles before or after practice. They would be moaning and crying by the end by simply being asked to jog for almost 20 minutes consecutively. Those "tough kids" did not seem so tough when asked to do that. Football players with their body sizes could never log 6 to 10 miles a day in training or games just like soccer players could not handle being tackled by a college or pro linebacker so I am not sure what you even mean by "tough" sports?
my son is a and all state goalkeeper here in Colorado so your preaching to the choir. Good post though
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 07:51:03 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:46:40 pm
however you want to spin it. I doubt Nebraska leaving the Big 12 is the reason. It had already started before they joined the the Big 10. Mothers against football is killing it. It's here in Colorado it's everywhere. Arkansas is always last to the party in everything.so give it sometime and you will feel the wrath of these mothers as well.

I have lived in Colorado also and am about to move back.... It has nothing to do with mothers against football. Colorado is the fittest state in the country and they value different things than the south. Endurance sports are massive in Colorado on the Front Range between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins. We live in a world of more variety than ever and that includes sports. I think it's great the south values football and I think it's great other regions value other things. There is nothing wrong with either.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:54:38 pm
Quote from: beach bum on July 09, 2018, 07:51:03 pm
I have lived in Colorado also and am about to move back.... It has nothing to do with mothers against football. Colorado is the fittest state in the country and they value different things than the south. Endurance sports are massive in Colorado on the Front Range between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins. We live in a world of more variety than ever and that includes sports. I think it's great the south values football and I think it's great other regions value other things. There is nothing wrong with either.
they just held a mothers against football get together the other day. I know this cause my wife was invited by a friend and went to the get together. She said there was over several mothers and grandparents at the get together. So...... you may want to pump the brakes on that.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 09, 2018, 08:09:53 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 09, 2018, 07:46:40 pm
however you want to spin it. I doubt Nebraska leaving the Big 12 is the reason. It had already started before they joined the the Big 10. Mothers against football is killing it. It's here in Colorado it's everywhere. Arkansas is always last to the party in everything.so give it sometime and you will feel the wrath of these mothers as well.

Dear Lord.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 10, 2018, 01:23:04 am
Quote from: AirWarren on July 09, 2018, 08:09:53 pm
Dear Lord.

+1
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 10, 2018, 04:57:47 am
It's that kind of liberal thinking that ruins everything. If you don't want your child to play football then don't let him play. Don't try to ruin a sport just because you don't agree with it. I don't like soccer but am I gathering support to ban it in schools . Goodness.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 10, 2018, 06:17:54 am
Quote from: big E on July 10, 2018, 04:57:47 am
It's that kind of liberal thinking that ruins everything. If you don't want your child to play football then don't let him play. Don't try to ruin a sport just because you don't agree with it. I don't like soccer but am I gathering support to ban it in schools . Goodness.

It is real. CTE is the driving force
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 10, 2018, 08:02:44 am
Quote from: big E on July 10, 2018, 04:57:47 am
It's that kind of liberal thinking that ruins everything. If you don't want your child to play football then don't let him play. Don't try to ruin a sport just because you don't agree with it. I don't like soccer but am I gathering support to ban it in schools . Goodness.

I thought that's what parents were doing all along?

And as human beings, we naturally want to know "why are our football numbers low"? So when kids choose other athletics it all the sudden becomes soft, sissy, liberal etc. which I don't understand the mentality. Especially because I'm a non-"liberal" to the T.

I guess I missed the part of my first career application post college that had me debrief on a high school football "career".
The fear of football dying is about as silly as global warming to me.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 10, 2018, 09:02:17 am
Quote from: big E on July 10, 2018, 04:57:47 am
It's that kind of liberal thinking that ruins everything. If you don't want your child to play football then don't let him play. Don't try to ruin a sport just because you don't agree with it. I don't like soccer but am I gathering support to ban it in schools . Goodness.

CTE is real and medical science is not liberal or conservative. Medical knowledge has no political agenda... only to eventually seek the truth. I am not sure how trying to make a game safer for kids became political. Me and Airwarren have had plenty of political banter back and forth, but I know his medical background and knowledge has him leaning with me on this topic. They are never banning the game so relax. It always needs to be tinkered to make it safer as times change and we gain more knowledge. That goes for all sports.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 10, 2018, 09:10:51 am
Quote from: AirWarren on July 10, 2018, 08:02:44 am
I thought that's what parents were doing all along?

And as human beings, we naturally want to know "why are our football numbers low"? So when kids choose other athletics it all the sudden becomes soft, sissy, liberal etc. which I don't understand the mentality. Especially because I'm a non-"liberal" to the T.

I guess I missed the part of my first career application post college that had me debrief on a high school football "career".
The fear of football dying is about as silly as global warming to me.

I have never understood the other sports are soft mentality either. I don't care if its football, basketball, tennis, track, soccer, hockey, etc......  no one will be successful if they are soft. All of them require a certain tough mindset to be great or elite and to dominate the competition.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 10, 2018, 09:49:38 am
Quote from: beach bum on July 10, 2018, 09:10:51 am
I have never understood the other sports are soft mentality either. I don't care if its football, basketball, tennis, track, soccer, hockey, etc......  no one will be successful if they are soft. All of them require a certain tough mindset to be great or elite and to dominate the competition.

Me either.

Take the World Series for example. Those kids at bat had robocop sized elbow guards and shin guards at bat. Things I have never seen before growing up watching baseball. Even the commentators made mention to it. One guy even said, "yeah it makes it easy to lean into a pitch and get hit when you have that armor on your arm". Heston leaned in to take a hit on the arm from the pitcher and it was on the arm that had the big shield on it. Casey Martin had that awful face guard on his batting helmet. Big leaguers never wore that kind of crap in the baseball I grew up with. Guess that makes them soft and liberal.

I've seen tennis players blow their knee out trying to make a play. Tiger woods has never been the same since he has screwed his back up playing golf, baseball players go to the plate looking like robocop. I saw that kid from Louisville go up for a jumper a few years ago in March madness and he about made me vomit at the sight of his leg he broke. Same with an ankle I saw break this past year in the NBA.

So I don't understand this whole backwards mentality of sissy sports vs non sissy. I've played football and swam competitively. I've vomited in two a days. Had my pinky smashed between two helmets and I've swam so many laps and sprinted in the pool until I vomited. I found nothing sissy about either when your puking your guts up from hard work.

I just don't understand it, we have known for a long time the possible implications of contact sports like football. If you choose to play or allow your kid to play. Great! I love high school football and college football. But just be aware of the possible complications/implications.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 10, 2018, 03:11:24 pm
I don't believe anyone has suggested that all other sports doesn't take mental toughness. Let's keep it real though,all other sports are not near as physical as football.thats the problem the physically.

When someone calls something soft it could mean a number of different reasons why they believe the sport is soft. Each individual is different so it's to hard to pinpoint anyone's reasoning. I've watched my son play soccer for many years and yes compared to football it is a very "soft sport"
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: clipping on July 10, 2018, 06:30:25 pm
Decatur is going to have to get some coaches since they all
Have left.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 11, 2018, 12:05:00 am
Quote from: beach bum on July 10, 2018, 09:02:17 am
CTE is real and medical science is not liberal or conservative. Medical knowledge has no political agenda... only to eventually seek the truth. I am not sure how trying to make a game safer for kids became political. Me and Airwarren have had plenty of political banter back and forth, but I know his medical background and knowledge has him leaning with me on this topic. They are never banning the game so relax. It always needs to be tinkered to make it safer as times change and we gain more knowledge. That goes for all sports.
Nicely said....there is new technology all the time to evaluate and treat concussions.  If those safety measures are implemented, the chances of having CTE are quite small.  I know that in small programs, there aren't trainers to evaluate and advise, but the coaches and staff should be able to implement these safety measures. Also, we as parents need to be informed and aware of symptoms of concussion so as to seek medical help when necessary.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 11, 2018, 05:30:12 am
It's standard protocol now for the Coaches to diagnose concussions.  I would say 99%of the time the coach leans to the side of caution . But the thing about cte is these kids are being turned into missles,  bigger , faster , stronger which equals more violent and potentially harmful collisions.  If you run a Sherman tank into a Volkswagen bug bad things will happen. It's know different with kids. If you turn these kids into essentially is battering ram then there are going to be injuries and unfortunately cte is one of those injuries. As for the comment made about people thinking that kids that specialize in other sports than football are soft , well maybe they just don't want to be that Volkswagen bug in front of that Tank. Some would say that is genius not softness.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 11, 2018, 06:02:50 am
Quote from: big E on July 11, 2018, 05:30:12 am
It's standard protocol now for the Coaches to diagnose concussions.  I would say 99%of the time the coach leans to the side of caution . But the thing about cte is these kids are being turned into missles,  bigger , faster , stronger which equals more violent and potentially harmful collisions.  If you run a Sherman tank into a Volkswagen bug bad things will happen. It's know different with kids. If you turn these kids into essentially is battering ram then there are going to be injuries and unfortunately cte is one of those injuries. As for the comment made about people thinking that kids that specialize in other sports than football are soft , well maybe they just don't want to be that Volkswagen bug in front of that Tank. Some would say that is genius not softness.
this protocol can only take place if the kid tells the coach he is hurt. If you got daddy or uncle down on the fence telling him to rub some dirt on it and get back in the game so daddy can live out his dream through his son.Then that's what's going to happen.in this case you can't blame the coach if the kid chooses to lie so he can stay in the game to make daddy happy.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 11, 2018, 09:28:53 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 11, 2018, 06:02:50 am
this protocol can only take place if the kid tells the coach he is hurt. If you got daddy or uncle down on the fence telling him to rub some dirt on it and get back in the game so daddy can live out his dream through his son.Then that's what's going to happen.in this case you can't blame the coach if the kid chooses to lie so he can stay in the game to make daddy happy.

Exactly, well put. Daddy had a crappy life, is divorced and remarried, and now he is trying to achieve his dreams through his son.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 11, 2018, 10:39:10 am
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 11, 2018, 09:28:53 am
Exactly, well put. Daddy had a crappy life, is divorced and remarried, and now he is trying to achieve his dreams through his son.

Mommas in the baseball field stands aren't much better.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 11, 2018, 02:14:06 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 11, 2018, 10:39:10 am
Mommas in the baseball field stands aren't much better.

Nope you are right. Same story, different gender. More to life than sports. Sports are great, but doesn't erase your crappy life (Crappy Spouse,Debt,Car,House,Job). Just numbs it.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 11, 2018, 11:37:43 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 11, 2018, 06:02:50 am
this protocol can only take place if the kid tells the coach he is hurt. If you got daddy or uncle down on the fence telling him to rub some dirt on it and get back in the game so daddy can live out his dream through his son.Then that's what's going to happen.in this case you can't blame the coach if the kid chooses to lie so he can stay in the game to make daddy happy.
Wrong...it's the coaches job to evaluate the kid after a hard hit regardless of what he says.  If they are staggering around on the field, that's a big clue that he's got a concussion.  Fortunately the refs are also looking for these things and force the kid out for a play to be evaluated.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 12, 2018, 05:16:45 am
Coach knowlton has the ball boy take the players helmet to the locker room so they don't try to go back in.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 08:44:08 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 11, 2018, 11:37:43 pm
Wrong...it's the coaches job to evaluate the kid after a hard hit regardless of what he says.  If they are staggering around on the field, that's a big clue that he's got a concussion.  Fortunately the refs are also looking for these things and force the kid out for a play to be evaluated.
in a perfect world this would be correct.were far from a perfect world though.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 08:48:44 am
Quote from: big E on July 12, 2018, 05:16:45 am
Coach knowlton has the ball boy take the players helmet to the locker room so they don't try to go back in.
if little Johnny is a beast his helme ain't going anywhere except back on his head. Well depending on the ball game if your up 40 easy for the coach to keep him out.However if your in a major football game with a lot on line.oh, you can be sure he is playing.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 12, 2018, 01:12:08 pm
Maybe in little folk football like 2a and now 8 man ball....but Not at programs like Warren.

You have neuro symptoms, your butt is on the bench. I've seen it plenty of times. "Star athlete" or not.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 12, 2018, 02:19:53 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 08:48:44 am
if little Johnny is a beast his helme ain't going anywhere except back on his head. Well depending on the ball game if your up 40 easy for the coach to keep him out.However if your in a major football game with a lot on line.oh, you can be sure he is playing.
You assume that every coach could care less about the safety of his kids. Coaches are now aware that playing a concussed kid COULD be fireable. It is my experience that coaches have been overly cautious out of protection for themselves and the kid.

We have a Dr on the sideline and if he says a kid is done, he is done. Period.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 03:16:10 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 12, 2018, 02:19:53 pm
You assume that every coach could care less about the safety of his kids. Coaches are now aware that playing a concussed kid COULD be fireable. It is my experience that coaches have been overly cautious out of protection for themselves and the kid.

We have a Dr on the sideline and if he says a kid is done, he is done. Period.
no I didn't say every coach. Some coaches put the right thing ahead of wins and losses.some put wins and losses ahead of the right thing.im not at liberty to say who is doing what. They know who they are though.Thats all that matters.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 12, 2018, 04:03:28 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 03:16:10 pm
no I didn't say every coach. Some coaches put the right thing ahead of wins and losses.some put wins and losses ahead of the right thing.im not at liberty to say who is doing what. They know who they are though.Thats all that matters.

Warren also has an MD on the sidelines.


You must be using little folk football as your example. But Im here to tell you, In higher level football, coaches don't play around anymore with concussions.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 12, 2018, 04:04:04 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 12, 2018, 02:19:53 pm
You assume that every coach could care less about the safety of his kids. Coaches are now aware that playing a concussed kid COULD be fireable. It is my experience that coaches have been overly cautious out of protection for themselves and the kid.

We have a Dr on the sideline and if he says a kid is done, he is done. Period.

Good post Eddie.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 12, 2018, 05:35:55 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 12, 2018, 04:03:28 pm
Warren also has an MD on the sidelines.


You must be using little folk football as your example. But Im hear to tell you, In higher level football, coaches don’t play around anymore with concussions.
And in Crossett, we baseline test ALL athletes before the season begins. Even teachers are taught how to spot concussions. A concussed kid has a very difficult time hiding it these days.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 13, 2018, 05:15:19 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 08:48:44 am
if little Johnny is a beast his helme ain't going anywhere except back on his head. Well depending on the ball game if your up 40 easy for the coach to keep him out.However if your in a major football game with a lot on line.oh, you can be sure he is playing.
I promise you it don't matter if you are the starting qb , you get a concussion or he even thinks you have one tour helmet is taken away from you.  Nothing you can do on a football field is more important than a child's well being.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 08:47:26 am
Quote from: big E on July 13, 2018, 05:15:19 am
I promise you it don't matter if you are the starting qb , you get a concussion or he even thinks you have one tour helmet is taken away from you.  Nothing you can do on a football field is more important than a child's well being.
oh,I agree with you 100%. coach's that go by the book are out there.Lets not kid ourselves here though.you also have coaches who don't go by the book as well out there.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 04:02:08 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 12, 2018, 05:35:55 pm
And in Crossett, we baseline test ALL athletes before the season begins. Even teachers are taught how to spot concussions. A concussed kid has a very difficult time hiding it these days.
you may want to look at the code of silence high school players are using all across the country. I'll give you time to do your research and wait for your rebuttal.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 13, 2018, 05:37:32 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 04:02:08 pm
you may want to look at the code of silence high school players are using all across the country. I'll give you time to do your research and wait for your rebuttal.
Sure kids try and hide it. That has never changed in the history of the game. That is why you baseline test and teach the adults in charge to spot symptoms.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 06:24:43 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 13, 2018, 05:37:32 pm
Sure kids try and hide it. That has never changed in the history of the game. That is why you baseline test and teach the adults in charge to spot symptoms.
i did my own research while waiting for your rebuttal. What I found is most people believe the baseline test is a waste of money and time.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 13, 2018, 07:22:19 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 06:24:43 pm
i did my own research while waiting for your rebuttal. What I found is most people believe the baseline test is a waste of money and time.

Yeah. Kids can change the results of a neuro exam(pupil dilation, reaction to light) in an instant.


But hey, if da intanet says so.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 08:21:58 pm
Quote from: AirWarren on July 13, 2018, 07:22:19 pm
Yeah. Kids can change the results of a neuro exam(pupil dilation, reaction to light) in an instant.


But hey, if da intanet says so.
you have to much faith in your fellow man. Your the kinda guy I would love to sale some ocean front property to. It's out in Arizona if you will buy that I tell you what I'll throw the golden gate in free. What do ya say?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: AirWarren on July 13, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
Quote from: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 08:21:58 pm
you have to much faith in your fellow man. Your the kinda guy I would love to sale some ocean front property to. It's out in Arizona if you will buy that I tell you what I'll throw the golden gate in free. What do ya say?

No. I just know how to do a neurocheck on a kid who is exhibiting normal PERRLA, a neuro check of a kid with a concussion and sadly neuro checks for kids who have suffered a traumatic brain injury. I've worked in pediatric intensive care and emergency room.

I may not know much about 2a football or da intranet but I know that the neuro system is one of the systems in the body that doesn't lie or is subtle when something is off.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 14, 2018, 12:16:42 am
Quote from: AirWarren on July 13, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
No. I just know how to do a neurocheck on a kid who is exhibiting normal PERRLA, a neuro check of a kid with a concussion and sadly neuro checks for kids who have suffered a traumatic brain injury. I've worked in pediatric intensive care and emergency room.

I may not know much about 2a football or da intranet but I know that the neuro system is one of the systems in the body that doesn't lie or is subtle when something is off.
the people wasn't saying the procedure didn't work.They was saying it's not very reliable and it's results are inconsistent.they felt for the most part if give the athletes a false sense of security.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 14, 2018, 05:11:50 pm
Dude, you're arguing for the sake of argument now.  Nothing is perfect. People are doing the best they can to get a handle on it. I really don't have time to argue over what the internet thinks about anything.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on July 14, 2018, 10:11:05 pm
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 14, 2018, 05:11:50 pm
Dude, you're arguing for the sake of argument now.......

It's a recurring theme.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 05:50:36 am
Quote from: Eddie Goodson on July 14, 2018, 05:11:50 pm
Dude, you're arguing for the sake of argument now.  Nothing is perfect. People are doing the best they can to get a handle on it. I really don't have time to argue over what the internet thinks about anything.
why does it have to be and argument when someone disagrees with people on here? It's a public forum it wasn't created for arguments. It was created for conversation.im sure you're School does take precautions like any other school would.Still don't make the results of the test consistent.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 05:58:26 am
Quote from: bleudog on July 14, 2018, 10:11:05 pm
It's a recurring theme.
your 0-2 vs Rivercrest no argument to be had.no stats,School size non sense is going to change that. Except it and move on.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on July 16, 2018, 08:50:52 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 05:58:26 am
your 0-2 vs Rivercrest no argument to be had.no stats,School size non sense is going to change that. Except it and move on.

"Dude," getting a laugh out of stringing a newbie troll along passes the time.  ;D

But something no one should ever "except" on FF is when that troll shows their true "colors."

Even if a mod didn't assign the vacation, at least one of them took out the trash.

Carry on.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 09:35:23 pm
Quote from: bleudog on July 16, 2018, 08:50:52 am
"Dude," getting a laugh out of stringing a newbie troll along passes the time.  ;D

But something no one should ever "except" on FF is when that troll shows their true "colors."

Even if a mod didn't assign the vacation, at least one of them took out the trash.

Carry on.
facts is your 0-2 vs Rivercrest. Move on and be glad your back in the 2A.where you can at least compete with the top teams.carry on
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 17, 2018, 04:55:20 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 12, 2018, 08:44:08 am
in a perfect world this would be correct.were far from a perfect world though.
I believe that the vast majority of coaches are going to do what's best for the players.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 17, 2018, 04:56:54 am
Quote from: AirWarren on July 12, 2018, 01:12:08 pm
Maybe in little folk football like 2a and now 8 man ball....but Not at programs like Warren.

You have neuro symptoms, your butt is on the bench. I've seen it plenty of times. "Star athlete" or not.
Same in Clarendon.  I've seen plenty of kids benched for up to 3 weeks after a concussion...typically 2.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 17, 2018, 05:01:00 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 13, 2018, 06:24:43 pm
i did my own research while waiting for your rebuttal. What I found is most people believe the baseline test is a waste of money and time.
Wrong again.  If done correctly the kid can't hide symptoms when a baseline is done.  Yes there are those few crappy coaches that don't care about the kids but they are few and far between.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 17, 2018, 05:46:17 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 17, 2018, 05:01:00 am
Wrong again.  If done correctly the kid can't hide symptoms when a baseline is done.  Yes there are those few crappy coaches that don't care about the kids but they are few and far between.
i don't Understand why you keep saying I'm wrong lol. Nether of us is right or wrong because it's a matter of opinion. You don't know that you're side of the conversation is right. I don't know if my side is. In order for something to be right or wrong one side has to know that it is 100% correct to call the other side wrong,That's just to impossible for us to know.All we have is personal experience and second hand information to go on.

Another thing is in a case of right or wrong it's usually called a debate. One side is trying to convince the on lookers that other side is wrong. Who are we convincing?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on July 17, 2018, 09:10:51 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 16, 2018, 09:35:23 pm
facts is your 0-2 vs Rivercrest. Move on and be glad your back in the 2A.where you can at least compete with the top teams.carry on

You may be on to something there dude/bro.

When the best a 2A-sized school can do in the 3A is go 13-1 and end up with the 3A state runner-up trophy, maybe it's time for a change.

How does a school sign up for this 8-man league?

::)
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 17, 2018, 11:50:41 am
Quote from: bleudog on July 17, 2018, 09:10:51 am
You may be on to something there dude/bro.

When the best a 2A-sized school can do in the 3A is go 13-1 and end up with the 3A state runner-up trophy, maybe it's time for a change.

How does a school sign up for this 8-man league?

::)
whatever helps you sleep at night. 11 on 11 is all that can play. You had a 2000 yard rusher and a 1500 yard rusher lol. You had the Sr led team. Rivercrest is young. I would say you had the advantage going in.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on July 17, 2018, 12:35:36 pm
In an attempt to get this thread back on track for you good people, what is the most prevalent offensive philosophy in eight-man football?  Is this basically a 7 on 7 air it out arena-like league or is there a non-QB running game involved?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 18, 2018, 05:24:27 am
Quote from: bleudog on July 17, 2018, 12:35:36 pm
In an attempt to get this thread back on track for you good people, what is the most prevalent offensive philosophy in eight-man football?  Is this basically a 7 on 7 air it out arena-like league or is there a non-QB running game involved?
I definitely don't see any wishbone happening in 8 man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 18, 2018, 09:05:18 am
Quote from: bleudog on July 17, 2018, 12:35:36 pm
In an attempt to get this thread back on track for you good people, what is the most prevalent offensive philosophy in eight-man football?  Is this basically a 7 on 7 air it out arena-like league or is there a non-QB running game involved?

I think you will see alot of WR Jet Sweep type stuff.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on July 18, 2018, 09:07:56 am
Quote from: big E on July 18, 2018, 05:24:27 am
I definitely don't see any wishbone happening in 8 man.

Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 18, 2018, 09:05:18 am
I think you will see alot of WR Jet Sweep type stuff.

Thanks.

Looks like basketball on turf.

"Eight-man football consists of fast-paced games with higher scoring than the traditional game. Eight-man scores vary depending on the offensive and defensive strategies, but scores typically fall in the 40-60 point range, with "high scoring" games reaching the 70s and "low scoring" games falling below 30."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-man_football
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 18, 2018, 09:44:24 am
Quote from: bleudog on July 18, 2018, 09:07:56 am
Thanks.

Looks like basketball on turf.

"Eight-man football consists of fast-paced games with higher scoring than the traditional game. Eight-man scores vary depending on the offensive and defensive strategies, but scores typically fall in the 40-60 point range, with "high scoring" games reaching the 70s and "low scoring" games falling below 30."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-man_football

Speed will be more important than size in 8 man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: beach bum on July 18, 2018, 11:36:37 am
Yes, the speedy WR's are going to be a plus vertically in the passing game and on the jet sweeps. On the defensive end you better have kids willing to be fundamentally sound tackling in open space. You go for the big hit and miss the other team will be running into the end zone a lot with all that open space. It would only be a dream in 1A/2A schools, but if you have an athletic kid who can throw and be that duel threat the coaches job becomes much easier obviously. Those type of kids at the QB position don't exactly grow on trees however. I am definitely going to go catch one of these games to see these new Arkansas 8 man teams in person.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 18, 2018, 11:48:07 am
Quote from: beach bum on July 18, 2018, 11:36:37 am
Yes, the speedy WR's are going to be a plus vertically in the passing game and on the jet sweeps. On the defensive end you better have kids willing to be fundamentally sound tackling in open space. You go for the big hit and miss the other team will be running into the end zone a lot with all that open space. It would only be a dream in 1A/2A schools, but if you have an athletic kid who can throw and be that duel threat the coaches job becomes much easier obviously. Those type of kids at the QB position don't exactly grow on trees however. I am definitely going to go catch one of these games to see these new Arkansas 8 man teams in person.

I agree, those kids don't grow on trees. However, there is always that one kid at every school that is faster and better than everyone else. Stick him and train him at QB early,and you should stay competitive.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 19, 2018, 01:54:53 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 17, 2018, 05:46:17 am
i don't Understand why you keep saying I'm wrong lol. Nether of us is right or wrong because it's a matter of opinion. You don't know that you're side of the conversation is right. I don't know if my side is. In order for something to be right or wrong one side has to know that it is 100% correct to call the other side wrong,That's just to impossible for us to know.All we have is personal experience and second hand information to go on.

Another thing is in a case of right or wrong it's usually called a debate. One side is trying to convince the on lookers that other side is wrong. Who are we convincing?
You really need to learn more about medical science.  I say you're wrong because it's been proven.  If you choose to believe otherwise, that's not debating, that's being foolish.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 19, 2018, 08:48:04 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 19, 2018, 01:54:53 am
You really need to learn more about medical science.  I say you're wrong because it's been proven.  If you choose to believe otherwise, that's not debating, that's being foolish.
i have looked at it. It tells me while yes it works in some cases and in others it doesn't. So I made the decision to not go all in with it.A trend I noticed on here almost as soon as I begin is this. If you don't agree with someone they throw insults at you. I'm not going to call you a fool for what you believe. I don't know you from Adam. Insults only prove one thing and that's lack of integrity. I'm not saying you lack in integrity at all. The evidence does  however point me in that direction.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 19, 2018, 01:36:19 pm
Quote from: MomaLion on July 19, 2018, 01:54:53 am
You really need to learn more about medical science.  I say you're wrong because it's been proven.  If you choose to believe otherwise, that's not debating, that's being foolish.

What does this have to do about 8-man football? We need to try to stick to the subject.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 20, 2018, 12:28:39 am
Quote from: MT Legend on July 19, 2018, 08:48:04 am
i have looked at it. It tells me while yes it works in some cases and in others it doesn't. So I made the decision to not go all in with it.A trend I noticed on here almost as soon as I begin is this. If you don't agree with someone they throw insults at you. I'm not going to call you a fool for what you believe. I don't know you from Adam. Insults only prove one thing and that's lack of integrity. I'm not saying you lack in integrity at all. The evidence does  however point me in that direction.
Call it what you want.  You obviously don't believe science so i'm finished with this discussion. 
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: big E on July 20, 2018, 05:35:36 am
Every time I read this thread someone is still arguing about concussions. I think everyone agrees they are real and dangerous. Back to 8 man football , word on the street is Episcopal had about 25 kids but they were all freshman and sophomore so they didn't want to get beat up and went the 8 man route. If you have 25 kids you can play 11 man. Teams like augusta and Hermatage will probably only have 13 to 16. Big advantage for ECS.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MT Legend on July 20, 2018, 05:56:30 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 20, 2018, 12:28:39 am
Call it what you want.  You obviously don't believe science so i'm finished with this discussion.
Thank you,this back and forth should have ended last week. In the future don't go into a conversation looking to get someone to see things your way.Not everyone is going to agree on everything. Doesn't make you right or wrong it just means where humans.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on July 20, 2018, 10:07:12 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 20, 2018, 12:28:39 am
Call it what you want.  You obviously don't believe science so i'm finished with this discussion.

MomaLion you may want to go back to tending to your cubs.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on July 20, 2018, 12:58:29 pm
Quote from: big E on July 20, 2018, 05:35:36 am
Every time I read this thread someone is still arguing about concussions. I think everyone agrees they are real and dangerous. Back to 8 man football , word on the street is Episcopal had about 25 kids but they were all freshman and sophomore so they didn't want to get beat up and went the 8 man route. If you have 25 kids you can play 11 man. Teams like augusta and Hermatage will probably only have 13 to 16. Big advantage for ECS.

Yes!  This is a great point.  I've mentioned before, once 8-man becomes official sport AAA needs some roster cap or something set.  20-25 should be playing 11 man, 25+ for sure.  8-man will be good if and only if it provides a chance for those really wanting to keep playing and/or small schools.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Cheek on July 21, 2018, 10:16:15 am
EPC wants to stack the deck and dominate 8 man football.  A state title is all they care about.   Please be nice to Momalion because if Clarendon continues to lose kids,  they will be playing 8-man football in the near future.  I have watched 8-man football in Northern Missouri, and it is more of a running game than you think.  Just because you have a small school does not mean you have speedy kids and a solid QB.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on July 21, 2018, 11:09:50 am
Cheek I was thinking the same....friend of mine covered 8 man football some in Oklahoma and always talked about how suprising it was that the majority ran a power run offense.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 22, 2018, 09:24:14 am
Quote from: HorseFeathers on July 21, 2018, 11:09:50 am
Cheek I was thinking the same....friend of mine covered 8 man football some in Oklahoma and always talked about how suprising it was that the majority ran a power run offense.
Kind of like Wynne back in the Campbell days without those pesky wide outs! Who says the three you cut have to be linemen?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 23, 2018, 02:23:16 am
Quote from: Mulerider4Life on July 20, 2018, 10:07:12 am
MomaLion you may want to go back to tending to your cubs.
I always tend to my LIONS and CUBS.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: MomaLion on July 23, 2018, 02:26:51 am
Quote from: Cheek on July 21, 2018, 10:16:15 am
EPC wants to stack the deck and dominate 8 man football.  A state title is all they care about.   Please be nice to Momalion because if Clarendon continues to lose kids,  they will be playing 8-man football in the near future.  I have watched 8-man football in Northern Missouri, and it is more of a running game than you think.  Just because you have a small school does not mean you have speedy kids and a solid QB.
It's only a matter of time before Brinkley annexes with us so numbers won't be that big of a worry. It seems that our coach is very open to 8 man so who knows what will happen.  Since we generally have plenty of speed, we may do well.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: tmycjy on November 04, 2018, 12:23:48 pm
what 8 man football need to do is the AAA need to make school declare 8 man football so my example is like this say a school field a team that only has 19 kids on it they could declare 8 man football if they had like 22 kids on there team where its enough to field offense and defense AAA make them play 11 man football   no matter what but its done on each classfaction cycle
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on November 05, 2018, 09:04:49 am
You can't mandate where a school plays based on roster size. Let's say a bottom feeder in 11-man decides to go 8-man, has success and wins state, and their numbers go back up to 25 or so because kids love to play on a winning team. Does that mean they have to go back to being a bottom feeder again now? Let the coaches and administrators decide.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on November 05, 2018, 09:10:00 am
Quote from: tmycjy on November 04, 2018, 12:23:48 pm
what 8 man football need to do is the AAA need to make school declare 8 man football so my example is like this say a school field a team that only has 19 kids on it they could declare 8 man football if they had like 22 kids on there team where its enough to field offense and defense AAA make them play 11 man football   no matter what but its done on each classfaction cycle
I agree, declaration must be made before reclassification and it needs to stick for 2 years. We saw this year how a number of 11-man teams got left in the lurch.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: tmycjy on November 05, 2018, 06:28:28 pm
Quote from: friscokid on November 05, 2018, 09:04:49 am
You can’t mandate where a school plays based on roster size. Let’s say a bottom feeder in 11-man decides to go 8-man, has success and wins state, and their numbers go back up to 25 or so because kids love to play on a winning team. Does that mean they have to go back to being a bottom feeder again now? Let the coaches and administrators decide.

I agree with u but this prevents school from fielding 40 or 50 man roster just to be donament
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 05, 2018, 06:42:53 pm
Little bit of difference from 25 to 40
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Good_medic on October 17, 2019, 12:02:44 pm
Quote from: big E on July 11, 2018, 05:30:12 am
It's standard protocol now for the Coaches to diagnose concussions.  I would say 99%of the time the coach leans to the side of caution . But the thing about cte is these kids are being turned into missles,  bigger , faster , stronger which equals more violent and potentially harmful collisions.  If you run a Sherman tank into a Volkswagen bug bad things will happen. It's know different with kids. If you turn these kids into essentially is battering ram then there are going to be injuries and unfortunately cte is one of those injuries. As for the comment made about people thinking that kids that specialize in other sports than football are soft , well maybe they just don't want to be that Volkswagen bug in front of that Tank. Some would say that is genius not softness.

I agree with everything being said here Big E but one word diagnose. coaches go through training to recognise symptoms of concussions, and that is a step forward. however how many coaches actually take the time to do a balance assessment and a memory test, and visual oculomotor test on kids before returning to play. none that i have ever seen. and if you don't have a medical license it is illegal to diagnose someone with anything. that's practicing medicine with out a license.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HeberFan on October 24, 2019, 02:34:03 pm


Best thing is rub dirt on the injured area and say, "Get back in there, you big sissy!"
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: OB11 on November 11, 2019, 09:25:46 am
Are all of the schools participating in 8 man at the Sr. high level, also playing 8 man in Jr. high? Or are the Jr. high teams still playing 11 man?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on November 11, 2019, 01:23:27 pm
Quote from: OB11 on November 11, 2019, 09:25:46 am
Are all of the schools participating in 8 man at the Sr. high level, also playing 8 man in Jr. high? Or are the Jr. high teams still playing 11 man?
Yes. If the Sr. High is doing 8-Man, the jr. High will follow suit. I was confused about that earlier this summer as well when Brinkley made the decision to play 8-Man. All teams must decide during the spring. What happened with us, was that we only had 12 by the time the decision was supposed to be made in the spring. By the end of the summer, and a couple of move ins, we end up with 22. So, you know people around were very upset at not playing 11 man. Who knows what the spring holds for us and the decision to play 11 man or 8-Man. Hopefully the championship and the undefeated season will entice some extra kids to come out during the spring. Or hopefully the AAA will sanction 8-Man. But not holding my breath on that decision though. They're on par with the NCAA when it comes to decision making.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 11, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
A team with 22 players should win 8 man. That's kinda like j.c. and their 45+ winning 2A.🤭😊
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 12, 2019, 10:03:34 am
Quote from: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 11, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
A team with 22 players should win 8 man. That's kinda like j.c. and their 45+ winning 2A.🤭😊

There's schools in Texas that field upper 20's and lower 30's for 8 man.....but then again one of the Top 5 8 man teams in Oklahoma dresses 10
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: RATTLER43 on November 12, 2019, 03:13:57 pm
Just play whoever is lined up on the other side no matter what the numbers ...   If you have the right Jimmies and Joes and good coaching, you can accomplish a lot no matter how many or few are on your team.  Larger numbers help but do not dictate success.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on November 12, 2019, 03:42:08 pm
That's easy for all of you to say. When you only have 12 players in the spring, and a decision needs to be made by then, then it's not fair to the kids to play teams such as Hazen, DA and others. We also had Rison on the schedule as well. So unless you have about 6 or 7 all conference type players and hope and pray for no injuries or. Even cramps, which will happen, then you have 0 room to judge on the decision we made. I knew someone was going to have some snide comments about us winning 8-Man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 12, 2019, 04:39:28 pm
Quote from: jbtiger73 on November 12, 2019, 03:42:08 pm
That's easy for all of you to say. When you only have 12 players in the spring, and a decision needs to be made by then, then it's not fair to the kids to play teams such as Hazen, DA and others. We also had Rison on the schedule as well. So unless you have about 6 or 7 all conference type players and hope and pray for no injuries or. Even cramps, which will happen, then you have 0 room to judge on the decision we made. I knew someone was going to have some snide comments about us winning 8-Man.

I'm actually pro-8 man, and don't understand the stigma
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 12, 2019, 05:10:57 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 12, 2019, 04:39:28 pm
I'm actually pro-8 man, and don't understand the stigma

im for 8 man too, but if your school has played 11 man for years, and actually has the numbers to play 11 man, it should only make sense that you would be favored in 8 man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 12, 2019, 05:49:24 pm
Quote from: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 12, 2019, 05:10:57 pm
im for 8 man too, but if your school has played 11 man for years, and actually has the numbers to play 11 man, it should only make sense that you would be favored in 8 man.

Every school That plays 8 man except for Trinity Christian, has played 11 man for years tho
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: jbtiger73 on November 12, 2019, 07:07:21 pm
Quote from: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 12, 2019, 05:10:57 pm
im for 8 man too, but if your school has played 11 man for years, and actually has the numbers to play 11 man, it should only make sense that you would be favored in 8 man.
So, you would much rather play 11 man with 12 players, and risk injuries and possible forfeit, than give the kids a chance, and play 8 man, and have more bodies to play off of the bench? I just don't believe that pick. and like I keep stressing; we had only 12 when the decision was to be made in the spring. we couldn't change back.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on November 12, 2019, 07:38:11 pm
Quote from: jbtiger73 on November 12, 2019, 07:07:21 pm
So, you would much rather play 11 man with 12 players, and risk injuries and possible forfeit, than give the kids a chance, and play 8 man, and have more bodies to play off of the bench? I just don't believe that pick. and like I keep stressing; we had only 12 when the decision was to be made in the spring. we couldn't change back.

Looks like yall have an issue with summer commitment. That would probably be a lot of the issue every year
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: bleudog on November 12, 2019, 08:33:29 pm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on November 12, 2019, 10:03:34 am
There's schools in Texas that field upper 20's and lower 30's for 8 man.....but then again one of the Top 5 8 man teams in Oklahoma dresses 10

Does the main Texas association sanction 8-man and place a maximum enrollment limit on the schools participating?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 13, 2019, 06:32:42 am
Quote from: bleudog on November 12, 2019, 08:33:29 pm
Does the main Texas association sanction 8-man and place a maximum enrollment limit on the schools participating?
it's actually 6 man that I was thinking of....Balmorhea Texas has 27 9-12 grade kids on their roster....Rankin Texas has 20 10-12 graders...Its sanctioned by the UIL
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on November 21, 2019, 03:46:49 am
Schools with a 9-12 enrollment below 105 have the option to play 6-man football in Texas. A few schools above that line do continue to play 6-man, but they're ineligible for playoffs.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: gameoflife on January 13, 2020, 11:07:00 am
So I hear that may be some other schools either dropping football or going down to 8 man. Any truth?   I hear Rose Bud is debating dropping football?
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: ozarkmtnsman on April 10, 2020, 09:03:52 am
Marshall Bobcats to start 8-man this fall.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: friscokid on April 10, 2020, 02:46:07 pm
Add Subiaco to the list. Before too long we'll need a big school 8-man division like Oklahoma has.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Cheek on April 12, 2020, 08:59:05 pm
Missouri has 8 man football and is sanctioned like 11 man.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: Mulerider4Life on June 09, 2020, 08:20:53 am
Quote from: MomaLion on July 23, 2018, 02:23:16 am
I always tend to my LIONS and CUBS.
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: whippersnapper on July 17, 2020, 02:18:07 pm
I hope hootens will start putting 8 man football in its magazine in the future. I'd like to read up on the rosters still
Title: Re: 8 Man Football
Post by: 7AFball on July 18, 2020, 05:15:15 pm
Since the AAA has little if anything to do with 8 Man Football, I feel that Hootens is leaving out 16 small towns with a lot of fans that would have bought his "annual" magazine to read up on the happenings in those few schools. At least those schools are TRYING to keep the young men active in sports as best they can and playing with just 14-21 members usually, it is hard work. Ain't like 10-12 on a basketball team and under AAA jurisdiction, etc. 
   Maybe basketball can go to 4 man teams in some of our very small towns and create some equality in some small way. Players in sports are not on their cellphones as much during sporting season, and I am all for that positivity. Sports are PART of young players' schooling and memories and extracurricular involvements, and I am for not disturbing that scenario.
   So, Hootens messed up I feel and left out some hopeful towns and players that want to succeed in this FB year, IF the darn Covid-19 allows things to play out.  Yep, I know small schools can not afford to donate money to have some athletes' photos in Hootens magazine. The writeups are smaller for those schools too.
JMHO.
   At least the AAA is out of making mandates in 8 Man Football in Arkansas; I can not speak for Missouri or surrounding states as mentioned here in other posts..
7AFB