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It sure would be nice to see some activity in this forum this year!: Part MMXII

Started by sevenof400, July 02, 2013, 04:53:35 pm

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sevenof400

Okay then, this worked pretty well last year in terms of getting a bit of activity going on this forum so let's try it again!

Quote from: sevenof400 on August 18, 2012, 06:17:05 pm
Come on in!
Sit a spell!
Take your shoes off...
Y'all post a bit now, y'hear?

All silliness aside, it would be nice to hear more of what is transpiring with this sport since the print media refuses to adequately cover it...

1-Adam-12

I'm in! 

If it's anything Booneville or 4A West, Malloy and Reed are on it.

We should have a solid bunch, only losing two starters.  Depth should also be a plus. 

We'll begin to see what it'll be like when the Lady Cats go to Licking Volleyball Camp in Branson in a couple of weeks.

Valleysports

I'm in!

Russellville should remain 6A Champs for another 2 years - won a lot of tournaments since last season.

TheMercenary

Here's my take-

Volleyball kills Girls Basketball programs!!

Give me one example of a school that has been better than average in both Volleyball and Basketball.  I could also make the argument that- If practically ANY girl WORKED exclusively to improve her game in basketball, year round starting in the 6th grade or so, she could get recruited to play at some level in college. 

Arkansas produces 10x as many college basketball players as volleyball players.

Discuss-

1-Adam-12

Valley View has won the last I don't know how many volleyball championships in a row, but still generally puts a very good girls basketball team on the floor as well.  Brookland, too. And Nettleton.

TheHogHead

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 10, 2013, 11:29:25 am
Here's my take-

Volleyball kills Girls Basketball programs!!

Give me one example of a school that has been better than average in both Volleyball and Basketball.  I could also make the argument that- If practically ANY girl WORKED exclusively to improve her game in basketball, year round starting in the 6th grade or so, she could get recruited to play at some level in college. 

Arkansas produces 10x as many college basketball players as volleyball players.

Discuss-
You made some points, and some of them were good ones.  However, let me offer a rebuttal.

1)  Volleyball does not kill basketball programs.  Period.  At most schools, girls can play each sport, and don't have to choose.  Your argument is the same as the bogus statement that football kills basketball.  Football & volleyball both wrap up at the start of basketball, and many of the best players in basketball don't hit the floor until they are done with their fall sport.

2)  Examples of great programs in both volleyball and basketball:  Forgiveness please if I leave your team out.  Lake Hamilton, Greenwood, Little Rock Christian, Fayetteville, Harding Academy, Ft. Smith Northside/Southside, Malvern, Valley View, Paragould, Jonesboro, Arkadelphia.  Thats a pretty good cross section of most areas of the state, large & small schools, public and private.  There are LOTS of quality dual threat programs at schools across the state.

3)  Thanks for pointing this one out!!!  Tons of girls have the dream of playing college basketball, and sadly about 99% won't make it.  Every high school in the country plays basketball, and therefore there are always far too many players and far too few scholarships.  Now turn that around in volleyball.  Though the majority of colleges field volleyball programs, only about 45% of high schools across the nation have high school programs. Volleyball players have a much greater chance of earning a college degree by way of athletic scholarship through volleyball as opposed to basketball.  This week, on a visit to an in-state school, the volleyball coach told my daughter he has some friends who coach at other schools desperate for some girls to fill their scholarship limits for this upcoming season.  MONEY TO GIVE TO VOLLEYBALL PLAYERS, and can't find enough girls to fill the spots. 

MAN IT IS GOOD TO BE TALKING VOLLEYBALL!!!!!

WHITEchicken

I would love to talk volleyball, but my daughter is going into the 7th grade and Eldorado doesn't start letting them play until 8th grade. she played at the boys club and this year she will be too old for that but to young to play at school. in south Arkansas there aren't any opps for her to play which is sad.

TheHogHead

Quote from: WHITEchicken on July 10, 2013, 11:35:59 pm
I would love to talk volleyball, but my daughter is going into the 7th grade and Eldorado doesn't start letting them play until 8th grade. she played at the boys club and this year she will be too old for that but to young to play at school. in south Arkansas there aren't any opps for her to play which is sad.

You need to get her involved with a junior olympic program.  I know you are a little out of the way for most Arkansas programs.  Closest is probably the Hot Springs Juniors, or you could get hooked up with the group out of Shreveport.  I think that is Cajunland, but don't quote me on that.  Call Coach Gream at SAU, and I'm sure he could tell you the closest place she could connect with.  By the way, he is having a clinic this Saturday if she wants to get some great coaching, and play a little with some other girls who love the sport. 

1-Adam-12

If I could make another point--Mercenary might be thinking that having volleyball dilutes the number of athletes available for basketball.  Not so, at least here in Booneville.

Last year and the previous year, there were only two volleyball players who also played basketball.  Our athletes seem to pick out which they want to do when they are in junior high.  This season there will be only one who does both, MAYBE.  She hasn't decided if she will play basketball or not.

Also, when volleyball came to town in '07, it created opportunities for girls who might not otherwise have been in athletics.  Case in point is one of our defensive specialists who is likely to be our libero this coming season. Nicole has worked harder than anyone I know since she was in eighth grade and barely got into JV matches.  She has seen considerable playing time the last two years. If anyone comes to a Booneville match, you can't miss her.  Look for the redhead in the white shirt (in all likelihood).

The results since we've had volleyball have spoken for themselves:  Four straight state tournament appearances, two all-state players, two players named to the Licking Volleyball Camp all-star team (meaning they were in the top 40 out of over 1000 players from seven different states) and multiple players in JO programs.

I rest my case.



And yes, IT'S GREAT TO BE TALKING ABOUT VOLLEYBALL!

TheMercenary

Quote from: 1-Adam-12 on July 11, 2013, 04:16:14 pm
If I could make another point--Mercenary might be thinking that having volleyball dilutes the number of athletes available for basketball.  Not so, at least here in Booneville.

Last year and the previous year, there were only two volleyball players who also played basketball.  Our athletes seem to pick out which they want to do when they are in junior high.  This season there will be only one who does both, MAYBE.  She hasn't decided if she will play basketball or not.

Also, when volleyball came to town in '07, it created opportunities for girls who might not otherwise have been in athletics.  Case in point is one of our defensive specialists who is likely to be our libero this coming season. Nicole has worked harder than anyone I know since she was in eighth grade and barely got into JV matches.  She has seen considerable playing time the last two years. If anyone comes to a Booneville match, you can't miss her.  Look for the redhead in the white shirt (in all likelihood).

The results since we've had volleyball have spoken for themselves:  Four straight state tournament appearances, two all-state players, two players named to the Licking Volleyball Camp all-star team (meaning they were in the top 40 out of over 1000 players from seven different states) and multiple players in JO programs.

I rest my case.



And yes, IT'S GREAT TO BE TALKING ABOUT VOLLEYBALL!

Dilutes is exactly what I meant.  Girls that quit BB for VB = lowered talent pool for the Basketball coach.

How many Booneville girls earned college scholarships in volleyball?

I rest my case.....

1-Adam-12

We have only had this program since '07 as clearly stated.  We are just now getting to the point that some of our girls are beginning to be looked at.

It's not all about the high-and-mighty scholarships.  It's about learning the skills of teamwork. That will become evident as these girls move on in their lives.  They will be so much the better for it.

If one of our players earn a scholarship I will be very proud.  Even if they don't I will still be very proud. 

That, sir, is what counts most.


TheHogHead

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 12, 2013, 07:47:52 pm
Quote from: 1-Adam-12 on July 11, 2013, 04:16:14 pm
If I could make another point--Mercenary might be thinking that having volleyball dilutes the number of athletes available for basketball.  Not so, at least here in Booneville.

Last year and the previous year, there were only two volleyball players who also played basketball.  Our athletes seem to pick out which they want to do when they are in junior high.  This season there will be only one who does both, MAYBE.  She hasn't decided if she will play basketball or not.

Also, when volleyball came to town in '07, it created opportunities for girls who might not otherwise have been in athletics.  Case in point is one of our defensive specialists who is likely to be our libero this coming season. Nicole has worked harder than anyone I know since she was in eighth grade and barely got into JV matches.  She has seen considerable playing time the last two years. If anyone comes to a Booneville match, you can't miss her.  Look for the redhead in the white shirt (in all likelihood).

The results since we've had volleyball have spoken for themselves:  Four straight state tournament appearances, two all-state players, two players named to the Licking Volleyball Camp all-star team (meaning they were in the top 40 out of over 1000 players from seven different states) and multiple players in JO programs.

I rest my case.



And yes, IT'S GREAT TO BE TALKING ABOUT VOLLEYBALL!

Dilutes is exactly what I meant.  Girls that quit BB for VB = lowered talent pool for the Basketball coach.

How many Booneville girls earned college scholarships in volleyball?

I rest my case.....

Should someone start a post condemning basketball for lowering the talent pool of school volleyball teams?  I would be willing to wager that a greater percentage of volleyball players in the state will earn athletic scholarships than will basketball players by the way.  The argument of, "how many Booneville earned volleyball scholarships" is irrelevant to the argument.

sevenof400

I've certainly jumped in some threads during my time here on FF and sent them off course for a variety of reasons but the unjustified arrogance of this entrance is appalling.

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 10, 2013, 11:29:25 am
Here's my take-

Volleyball kills Girls Basketball programs!!


So what? 

Does girls basketball have some higher right to exist over volleyball? 

It does not.

But just for the fun of it, let's assume participating in volleyball does diminish basketball numbers...

Again, so what?

If girls are actively participating in a sport (or sports) of their choice, that is a positive outcome - for the student, the school and the community.   

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 10, 2013, 11:29:25 am

Give me one example of a school that has been better than average in both Volleyball and Basketball. 

Conway and North Little Rock come to mind.
Greenwood and Siloam Springs as well. 

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 10, 2013, 11:29:25 am

I could also make the argument that- If practically ANY girl WORKED exclusively to improve her game in basketball, year round starting in the 6th grade or so, she could get recruited to play at some level in college. 

Arkansas produces 10x as many college basketball players as volleyball players.

Discuss-

Make all the arguments you like, but cite the source for your claim of this state producing 10 times the number of college basketball players as volleyball players. 

TheMercenary

No need to get in a snit! Y'all said it would be nice to talk about this....

I stand by my 10x more BB scholarship statement though.....


1-Adam-12

And you are likely correct in your statement.  I won't argue that point.

If my statement rubbed you the wrong way then I apologize, that was not my intention.  Just defending our team of which I am proud.

Now, let's talk more about the game.

TheHogHead

Quote from: 1-Adam-12 on July 12, 2013, 11:07:45 pm
And you are likely correct in your statement.  I won't argue that point.

If my statement rubbed you the wrong way then I apologize, that was not my intention.  Just defending our team of which I am proud.

Now, let's talk more about the game.

I would say there is simply no way.   While I can't name all the players that have received basketball scholarships, I can name quite a few that I know personally who will be headed off to school this summer/fall on volleyball scholarship. Name as many as you can think of for bb, and I will do likewise for volleyball. 

TheMercenary

Oh, it's no big deal. I mostly was just trying to get you guys riled up.
Let me think about the two schools I follow - FSNS & FSSS with # of girls who are getting their education paid for-
2013
SS-one (also had one get VB ride at UAFS)
NS- two
2012
SS-can't remember any
NS- zero (no seniors)
2011
SS- two
NS-five!
Can't remember beyond that but I think in 2009 SS sent one to Purdue and NS one to UALR.
I can remember one NS girl that played VB for the Razorbacks ...she could JUMP!!!!


TheHogHead

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 13, 2013, 04:05:06 pm
Oh, it's no big deal. I mostly was just trying to get you guys riled up.
Let me think about the two schools I follow - FSNS & FSSS with # of girls who are getting their education paid for-
2013
SS-one (also had one get VB ride at UAFS)
NS- two
2012
SS-can't remember any
NS- zero (no seniors)
For 2013, I know Kylie Ballard also got a VB scholarship to UAM.  Not sure who else may have signed, but could be another that I'm leaving out.
For 2012, out of Ft. Smith SS, India Stinson was offered and accepted a VB scholarship, and will be playing again this season, while attending college on a VB scholarship.
For the last 2 years, the 2 schools have sent the same number of girls on to play VB that they have BB.  That said, congrats to all 4 programs for doing their jobs well.

TheMercenary

Quote from: TheHogHead on July 13, 2013, 10:21:33 pm
Quote from: TheMercenary on July 13, 2013, 04:05:06 pm
Oh, it's no big deal. I mostly was just trying to get you guys riled up.
Let me think about the two schools I follow - FSNS & FSSS with # of girls who are getting their education paid for-
2013
SS-one (also had one get VB ride at UAFS)
NS- two
2012
SS-can't remember any
NS- zero (no seniors)
For 2013, I know Kylie Ballard also got a VB scholarship to UAM.  Not sure who else may have signed, but could be another that I'm leaving out.
For 2012, out of Ft. Smith SS, India Stinson was offered and accepted a VB scholarship, and will be playing again this season, while attending college on a VB scholarship.
For the last 2 years, the 2 schools have sent the same number of girls on to play VB that they have BB.  That said, congrats to all 4 programs for doing their jobs well.

Agree!!

WHITEchicken

I would say the numbers of girls going to play college bball is about 5x higher than volleyball. You have way more schools playing bball than you do volleyball. Mostly all the 7, 6, 5a schools, some 4a, very few 3a, a handful of 2a play volleyball. All of those schools play basketball. The numbers are stacked in bball's favor. If you had the same number of teams then then volleyball would kill girls bball for scholarships because you don't have to be as good at volleyball to get a scholarship.

1-Adam-12

Arkansas teams represented very well at the Licking Volleyball Camp in Branson last week. Nettleton (who beat Jonesboro in the process), Paragould and Booneville all made the semifinals in bracket play. Nettleton and Paragould were in the top bracket, Booneville in the second top bracket.  I got to see all the above teams play, some only fleetingly though.

Those are just the teams whose progress I was aware of.  Brookland, Paris and Atkins were also at the camp. I got to see Brookland in one match, but did not get to see Paris or Atkins.

UPDATE:  Paragould won the upper bracket. Congrats!

pioneermom1

Pioneer Mom jumping in again.  Watch for the Lady Pioneers of Batesville.  Made it to the 5A semi finals last year and hoping to be playing in the finals this year.  In regards to the bball v. vball argument have to agree with 1 Adam 12, Mercenary. What's the point? I think it's about giving girls the opportunity to do the things they want to do.  If more girls want to play vball then they deserve a great program with good opportunities to compete.   Maybe vball is just becoming more popular and if that's what the girls want they should go for it. I do have a problem with coaches, however, making them choose!!!   They should be able to do both just like the boys who play football and basketball. Off my soapbox now. Thanks!
   

gatecrasher

I don't know a thing about volleyball but I guess I better learn...
One of my two daughters that transferred to Cutter Morning Star (from Parkers Chapel) is playing volleyball for the first time (sophomore) and according to her coach is pretty good at it and "has a passion" for the game. Her and her teammates are camping at UCA today and tomorrow.

Only thing I know about CMS' team is it it in its 3rd year as a program and it improved from 1 win to 11 wins last year. They have some bigger schools on the schedule (LR Hall, Camden Fairview, and a team from Memphis), and the coaches expect big things from them this fall.

WHITEchicken

I think volleyball is getting a lot more popular. The fact that the US did so good in the last olympics and the way they promoted the programs has really brought volleyball forward. I really enjoyed watching the women play this past year. Up until then I never really watched that much. It got my daughter into wanting to play as well.

DogsWin7

Quote from: Valleysports on July 03, 2013, 05:57:41 pm
I'm in!

Russellville should remain 6A Champs for another 2 years - won a lot of tournaments since last season.

Greenwood will have something too say about that!

1-Adam-12

Gate, I think you will be in for a treat.  It's an exciting game to watch.  From what little I can tell, it sounds like CMS is building the right way. 

We went down there to play a couple of years ago, the season they only won one game.  I could tell they wanted to establish a good program and it looks like they have made progress.  While we won easily, Cutter had their moments.

Fountain Lake is by far the top team in CMS's conference. They went to the state semifinals last season. Episcopal is usually decent and Jessieville is an up-and-coming team.  We have played Jessieville the last two years and they are looking better all the time.

Best of luck to your daughter and her team.

Lionheart88

Quote from: TheMercenary on July 10, 2013, 11:29:25 am
Here's my take-

Volleyball kills Girls Basketball programs!!

Give me one example of a school that has been better than average in both Volleyball and Basketball.  I could also make the argument that- If practically ANY girl WORKED exclusively to improve her game in basketball, year round starting in the 6th grade or so, she could get recruited to play at some level in college. 

Arkansas produces 10x as many college basketball players as volleyball players.

Discuss-

It probably doesn't help, but this is high school, not the pros.  There's not millions of dollars riding on the skill of the players here.  Teenage kids should play as many sports as they enjoy.  Sure, that probably leads them to be more of a "jack of all trades, master of none", but that's their decision.  I know girls that start volleyball and basketball.  I know girls who play both of those and soccer or softball in the spring, and start in at least two of them.  Would they be better picking one and going?  Probably.  Would they enjoy high school more?  Maybe not.  Looking back, I wish I hadn't quit sports in junior high to focus on academics (I did pick track back up in high school, but haven't played tackle football or full court basketball since  :( ).  Now, it worked for me, I got a full ride to one of the best schools in the state for my academics.  But if I had it all to do over again, I'd try to balance them better.  I'd never advise a girl to pick one anything (sport, music, academics, other extracurricular, whatever) and go with it in high school.  You should always diversify and have a back up plan.  And, perhaps most importantly, have fun.   Youth doesn't last forever.

sevenof400

This week, a few of our instate colleges are holding camps to assist in preparations for the upcoming season.  As we get closer to the beginning of the school year, there should be opportunities to see some action involving several teams at one location as a host school will invite several teams for a mini round robin type of event. 

In many cases, these events aren't publicized very well so if you want to see your local team in action you might want to check with a player or coach to see what preseason action your team will have. 

Only benefit games can be held Aug 18 - 24 and the season officially starts on week 8 (Aug 25 - 31) of the AAA calendar. 

Valleysports

The thing about Volleyball is that it looks like a girls sport.  Good teams, with skilled players, are fun to watch.  Go watch college games (I like to watch Tech) and I'll be thinking wow, she spiked that ball hard.  You get that BOOM effect, that pleases the crowd.  Or some girl runs, jumps, and serves a dozen aces in a row.  They rotate, dive, make great sets.  It's really enjoyable to watch.

Girls basketball?  People watch it while waiting for the boys game, even in college. 

Bigstick86

 ;D Good luck to those Eagles Headed up to Rogers for their First match of the season.

1-Adam-12

Speaking of....Booneville Lady Cats are headed to Rogers as well!  GO LADY CATS!!

gatecrasher


Valleysports



gatecrasher


sevenof400

Gate,

I think you're in for a fun experience with respect to VB this year.  It's one of those sports that the more you watch, you find you're enjoying it even though you weren't necessarily expecting to.  What has been surprising to me is how much activity can take place in such a small area - especially when you have two good teams facing each other.  And there are a lot of girls who can kill it with authority.  Enjoy the year!

1-Adam-12

Booneville opens their regular season by hosting Atkins on Monday.  In fact the first four matches are at home so the Lady Cats have a great opportunity to have a good start.


DogsWin7

I heard that Rogers Heritage and Alma are loaded this year as well as Greenwood.   

Valley goes on about those cyclones but I'm still not convinced.  It's a new year!!!

Waldron hopefully will be competitive and as 1-Adam always mentions Booneville and Mena both are tough. 

Should be exciting!

AT

From our AD on twitter:

Volleyball: Rogers Heritage defeats Alma 20-25, 25-22, 25-19, 20-25, 15-8.

DogsWin7

Quote from: Almatrackster on August 26, 2013, 09:06:28 pm
From our AD on twitter:

Volleyball: Rogers Heritage defeats Alma 20-25, 25-22, 25-19, 20-25, 15-8.

Looks like a good game took them to 5.   That's close!

gatecrasher

CMS JV and varsity both with sweeps of Perryville on the road to open the season.

JV won 25-23, and 25-22
Varsity won 25-17, 25-16, and 26-24.

gatecrasher

Quote from: sevenof400 on August 24, 2013, 08:14:50 pm
Gate,

I think you're in for a fun experience with respect to VB this year.  It's one of those sports that the more you watch, you find you're enjoying it even though you weren't necessarily expecting to.  What has been surprising to me is how much activity can take place in such a small area - especially when you have two good teams facing each other.  And there are a lot of girls who can kill it with authority.  Enjoy the year!
I'm learning bit by bit man.

Valleysports

Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 09:02:58 pm
I heard that Rogers Heritage and Alma are loaded this year as well as Greenwood.   

Valley goes on about those cyclones but I'm still not convinced.  It's a new year!!!

I double dog dare you to go watch the Cyclones destroy Greenwood for the next 2 years !   ;D
Jonesboro vs Cyclones Finals! 

1-Adam-12

Sorry about the lateness of this one....

A much improved Atkins team upset Booneville in five games Monday night.  It was a great match to watch but for Lady Cat fans came out the wrong way.

This is not the same Atkins of the last several years.  They played terrific defense, getting several balls back that I didn't think would come back.  A team to beware of in 3A Central.

Booneville will try to bounce back tomorrow night against Union Christian.

Some other results I noticed:

GW beat Mena in 4 and then Mena came right back to beat Lake Hamilton in straight games.

Prairie Grove had a tough time with Lavaca before beating them in 5.

Rogers High beat Paris in 5; Northside swept Springdale.

DogsWin7

Quote from: Valleysports on August 28, 2013, 12:53:14 am
Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 26, 2013, 09:02:58 pm
I heard that Rogers Heritage and Alma are loaded this year as well as Greenwood.   

Valley goes on about those cyclones but I'm still not convinced.  It's a new year!!!

I double dog dare you to go watch the Cyclones destroy Greenwood for the next 2 years !   ;D
Jonesboro vs Cyclones Finals!

I have watched and witnessed The University of Greenwood whip up on some teams last year...I plan on attending a few games this year as well.   They are a tough team!

But I won't be witnessing the Cyclones destroy Greenwood.   Not happening.  So keep dreaming Valley!   

Too much Flying= You need to get your head out of the clouds! ;D



Nice write up 1-Adam-12


Blindsided

In the 6A-South, Benton's volleyball and basketball teams are both good.  They're coaches are married to each other so they get along better than most volleyball and girls basketball coaches do.  I know in some schools, the vb and girls bb coaches do not like each other and have a hard time sharing athletes.  What about your school?

Valleysports

Just make sure you get to see the Cyclones this year and next!  A team like this doesn't come through very often..  The Sophomore, State Championship Tournament MVP, is highly ranked.  BTW, they are also known as the Golden Suns JO Team...  ;)

DogsWin7

Quote from: Blindsided on August 28, 2013, 09:20:46 am
In the 6A-South, Benton's volleyball and basketball teams are both good.  They're coaches are married to each other so they get along better than most volleyball and girls basketball coaches do.  I know in some schools, the vb and girls bb coaches do not like each other and have a hard time sharing athletes.  What about your school?

That's unfortunate that some schools are like that.  I have heard of schools that like to make the players chose or commit to one sport.  I personally don't know of any schools like that though.

In Waldron 4A,  I believe the Girls VB Coach is also the Girls BB Coach or assist. so no problem.



@Valley  I'm telling you that Greenwood is tough.  They are very good players.  Already winning.     I'll try to catch a game with Russellville.   

Does the Russellville Courier still write about them?    ;D

Valleysports

Quote from: DiehardFBfan on August 30, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
@Valley  I'm telling you that Greenwood is tough.  They are very good players.  Already winning.     I'll try to catch a game with Russellville.

I've been watching Greenwood Volleyball for 10 yrs, they lost a lot from last year and Russellville beat that team.  We'll just have to pick this conversation back up after you get a better understanding of what I'm talking about.  This conversation needs to be with Jonesboro anyway.

1-Adam-12

It was a tough week for Booneville. Tbh, we did not play well at all and lost to two teams we should have beaten.

But I have full confidence we will get our stuff together by the time conference season rolls around. Two more at home plus the Mena tournament this week will give us plenty of opportunity to do that.

To address another point, I think for the first time since we restarted V-ball in '07 we don't have anyone playing both VB and BB. There may be one but I'm not sure. We do have three that are in both VB and cheer, and several also play softball.

We have 23 in VB and 11 in girls BB, maybe 12. So numbers do not lack in either.

And Diehard you are right. Coach Mo is both the head VB and assistant girls BB coach at Waldron.

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