State: White County Central
West-Central: Magazine
North: Marked Tree
South: Poyen
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/w83S3NRJEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/IMZ11tRZEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/basketball-winter-17-18/2018-boys-basketball-state-tournament-2a-boys-basketball-2018.htm
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/-ww1VfStEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/basketball-winter-17-18/2018-basketball-regionals-2a-boys-.htm
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/LC0Ch_bYEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/girls-basketball-winter-17-18/2018-basketball-regionals-2a-girls-.htm
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 11, 2018, 03:28:34 pm
State: White County Central
West-Central: Magazine
North: Marked Tree
South-Poyen
AAA does a terrible job at this. Poyen got basketball baseball and softball for the south. Seems convenient their sup is on the board. If they get one they should spread it around for the others when there are just as suitable schools for hosting
I agree. No reason one school should get to host 3 regional tournaments. Rigged
Quote from: BigBob on January 11, 2018, 08:10:04 pm
I agree. No reason one school should get to host 3 regional tournaments. Rigged
Magazine got the West-Central regional for all 3 sports
Typically, it goes back and forth between each side of the region. Pang burn and Quitman from the east got it the past two years due to new facilities. West got it this year. Eureka bid but had it more recently than Magazine. No rigging. They have a board of about 20 Administrators that give each school bidding three minutes to make their case. When all have finished for a particular region, they vote. Then they move on to the next region. Hope that wasn't too vague an explanation.
Magnet cove got it last year so by your explanation it should have gone to one of the 3 schools from the other side of the regions and not the only school from the same region that had it last year
Quitman hosted basketball last year
I explained how our region has worked. Our schools/conferences have a gentlemen's agreement. If a school has a brand new facility we allow them to showcase it as exception to the agreement. Quitman and Pangburn back to back from the east for that reason. Your region may not have any agreement. As a result, it may be based solely on the presentations.
Got ya. I think there was a gentleman's agreement but not the good kind like your referring to. I just don't like how one school gets everything when it could have been spread around to other schools. Like if poyen gets the baseball softball then someone else should have gotten the basketball.
Quote from: BigLion10 on January 11, 2018, 10:30:00 pm
Quitman hosted basketball last year
Pangburn regionals according to Maxpreps. Quitman state.
Carlisle, Pangburn, and Magnet Cove.....
Quote from: old.dole on January 11, 2018, 10:37:34 pm
Got ya. I think there was a gentleman's agreement but not the good kind like your referring to. I just don't like how one school gets everything when it could have been spread around to other schools. Like if poyen gets the baseball softball then someone else should have gotten the basketball.
I have no problem with your rationale. I really like how ours goes back and forth. We and Eureka are the west schools who typically bid for basketball. We and Hackett are the two west who typically bid baseball and softball.
It's great y'all have a gentlemans agreement. It's apparent there isn't one in the south region. That's sketchy and kind of baffling they get to host 3. They have a very nice new basketball gym, but magnet cove got to host it last year. Harmony Grove or bearden should've got regionals. Poyens baseball and softball facilities aren't even the best in the region.
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 11, 2018, 10:43:05 pm
Pangburn regionals according to Maxpreps. Quitman state.
My bad thought you were talking about state lol
Quote from: RATTLER43 on January 11, 2018, 10:46:57 pm
I have no problem with your rationale. I really like how ours goes back and forth. We and Eureka are the west schools who typically bid for basketball. We and Hackett are the two west who typically bid baseball and softball.
Westside hosted region the year everything got messed up for snow
Well that means Clarendon will host in 2019.
http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Tournament/2018_Host_Sites_002.pdf
Quote from: BigBob on January 12, 2018, 07:33:24 am
It's great y'all have a gentlemans agreement. It's apparent there isn't one in the south region. That's sketchy and kind of baffling they get to host 3. They have a very nice new basketball gym, but magnet cove got to host it last year. Harmony Grove or bearden should've got regionals. Poyens baseball and softball facilities aren't even the best in the region.
Poyen has a new gym and I'm sure that's how they got the basketball regional. Only Poyen and Parkers Chapel put in bids for baseball and softball.
So does harmony grove so why not let them have it and poyen take baseball and softball
Quote from: old.dole on January 12, 2018, 10:08:19 pm
So does harmony grove so why not let them have it and poyen take baseball and softball
Guess Poyen's bid was better
Quote from: Lions84 on January 12, 2018, 11:53:16 am
Well that means Clarendon will host in 2019.
The new gym won't be done in time.
Quote from: jdwalk on January 12, 2018, 09:49:58 pm
Poyen has a new gym and I'm sure that's how they got the basketball regional. Only Poyen and Parkers Chapel put in bids for baseball and softball.
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So, when will the State Tournament be below Little Rock again????
No schools from the south ever bid. What was it 2014 it was in Hampton ?
The only reason the State Tournament was held in LR was because the Sun Belt Conference Tournament was held at the Summit in Hot Springs the same week. As long as there is no conflict, it will be in Hot Springs
We can't even get a regional let alone state
Quote from: old.dole on January 13, 2018, 04:33:37 pm
We can't even get a regional let alone state
Hey, Dole, you know what I heard?
What you hear Cheeze?
No southern teams Hardly ever bid in 2A. Hampton has a nice gym but they are playing 1A basketball..
It just sucks that poyen is a long butt drive from pretty much any of the south teams that are worth a crap ( not terrible for Blevins and mountain pine ) but it sucks for foreman , bearden , pc etc
Besrden is closer than Blevins to poyen
Quote from: HorseFeathers on January 14, 2018, 01:30:52 pm
Besrden is closer than Blevins to poyen
The AAA is all about money. They don't care about anything being comfortable or convenient. It still astonishes me to this day that anyone with common sense would allow Marmaduke to hold a state tournament when they clearly cannot seat the requirement.
I PREDICT:
Carlisle vs. Quitman for the GIRLS
Somebody from the Upper quadrant of the Boys's bracket. I PREDICT Earle vs. somebody in the lower quadrant
Is the bracket wrong? Why is the 1 and 2 from the north on the same side?
There is only 3 regions somebody has too!
I just looked at bracket and it's the west that 1 and 2 are on same side! North 2 got bye last year and 2 south got bye this year so if you ask me one of them 2 should have 1 and 2 on same side!
Quote from: Ctucker on February 25, 2018, 08:08:17 am
I just looked at bracket and it's the west that 1 and 2 are on same side! North 2 got bye last year and 2 south got bye this year so if you ask me one of them 2 should have 1 and 2 on same side!
I know I'm gonna regret this but... I am curious to hear what your reasoning is for this?
Dildo I do not respond to u anymore!
For all other people it really don't matter it was just a opionion and you have to beat ever one to win it!
You crybaby... I asked you a question as to how you came to your "opinion". If you're not man enough to expound on it... stop offering it
Quote from: Bildo on February 25, 2018, 08:47:55 am
You crybaby... I asked you a question as to how you came to your "opinion". If you're not man enough to expound on it... stop offering it
kiss my ...! I will say whatever I won't! I can't stand you and I haven't even meet you!
And I said it really don't matter! But if you must know I just figure if your going to get a 2nd seed bye you should be put on same side as your 1 since you did not earn it, it was given to you bye a draw or something!sould be south this year and should have been North Last year! THIER IT IS MY opionion!
And don't see how you can argue with that but I'm sure you will figure out something!
Quote from: Bildo on February 25, 2018, 08:47:55 am
You crybaby... I asked you a question as to how you came to your "opinion". If you're not man enough to expound on it... stop offering it
Bildo, if Ctucker advises he does not want to deal with you anymore, why do you continue to antagonize him. I always thought you were a players dad, but now I think it could be their little brother.
He offered an opinion... I just wanted him to explain why he thought that. I have tried to have intelligent conversations with him in the past and all it comes to is him name calling and getting upset. Me calling him a crybaby is the FIRST time I have ever called him a "name". I don't think it's too much to ask for an explanation. I thought that is why we were on here?
Quote from: Bildo on February 25, 2018, 09:09:47 am
He offered an opinion... I just wanted him to explain why he thought that. I have tried to have intelligent conversations with him in the past and all it comes to is him name calling and getting upset. Me calling him a crybaby is the FIRST time I have ever called him a "name". I don't think it's too much to ask for an explanation. I thought that is why we were on here?
Answer my question do you have a problem with my opionion! Seems logical if you get a free bye you should be put with your one! Can't see we're anyone would not agree with that! And by the way you started it with mocking my intelligence and you can't be seen to stop! But please post how you think that opionion is stupid! This is the last time I will respond to you on here!
I didn't say I didn't agree with you... I asked for an explanation. Which you reluctantly gave with an attitude. You're entitled to your opinion and, believe it or not, I agree with it. I just wanted to know your reasoning....
Ctucker, how many nights are you gonna make the tournament?
Cheek?
Bildo?
I hope all lol...
Maxpreps has Charleston listed in Clarendons spot.
I won't be there all day/night every night though
Quote from: Bildo on February 25, 2018, 11:07:22 am
I hope all lol...
Me too.
Where is the girls bracket?
Girls Bracket
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/kOibOdSDEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/qsuqN9UGEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/girls-basketball-winter-17-18/2018-girls-basketball-state-tournament-2a-girls-basketball-2018.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/kOibOdSDEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/qsuqN9UGEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/girls-basketball-winter-17-18/2018-girls-basketball-state-tournament-2a-girls-basketball-2018.htm)
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 25, 2018, 11:01:06 am
Ctucker, how many nights are you gonna make the tournament?
Cheek?
Bildo?
im going to try most every night I live 2 miles from gym!
Quote from: N2DEEP on February 25, 2018, 11:28:03 am
Girls Bracket
http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/kOibOdSDEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/qsuqN9UGEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/girls-basketball-winter-17-18/2018-girls-basketball-state-tournament-2a-girls-basketball-2018.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/tournament/kOibOdSDEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/qsuqN9UGEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA/girls-basketball-winter-17-18/2018-girls-basketball-state-tournament-2a-girls-basketball-2018.htm)
Thanks!
Quitman Carlisle potential 2nd round game..
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 25, 2018, 11:46:45 am
Thanks!
Quitman Carlisle potential 2nd round game..
That should be a good game. Rematch from a state tourney game last year.
Anyone have directions to wcc gym? I know it is around Judsonia.
Quote from: AR Ball Junkie on February 25, 2018, 07:45:34 pm
Anyone have directions to wcc gym? I know it is around Judsonia.
It is about 12 miles north of Searcy on hiway 157!
Quitman and Carlisle and Clarendon and MT are on the same side for Boys and Girls, very interesting.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 25, 2018, 11:01:06 am
Ctucker, how many nights are you gonna make the tournament?
Cheek?
Bildo?
Oh I see how it is...just a boys club ;D lol
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 25, 2018, 11:07:51 am
Maxpreps has Charleston listed in Clarendons spot.
Yep, and it's also on the bracket.
I do not know how to start a new thread! One of y'all that knows how you can start one on this But if you could pick one kid to start a team with in 2a who would you pick! I would pick Dolittle he has that killer instinct! Don't know enough on girls side to have a opionion! And remember only one pick!
How old is the WCC gym?
Quote from: RedWolf275 on February 26, 2018, 09:16:39 am
How old is the WCC gym?
It's pretty new. It's nice inside.
Thanks for the info. I went to a state tournament there in the late 90's and wondered if they had a newer gym.
Quote from: RedWolf275 on February 26, 2018, 09:48:59 am
Thanks for the info. I went to a state tournament there in the late 90's and wondered if they had a newer gym.
It was built in 87 and remodeled last year
I'm going to tell how old i am by saying this but gym was built my junior year we had to play all away game first half of that year because our old gym was condemned. The remodel was extensive!
We got a Superindent that wanted to get Basketball going good here and she made a great hire for coach and worked with school board and got the gym done! Before her sports was a after thought here!
Quote from: old.dole on January 11, 2018, 06:50:18 pm
AAA does a terrible job at this. Poyen got basketball baseball and softball for the south. Seems convenient their sup is on the board. If they get one they should spread it around for the others when there are just as suitable schools for hosting
it seems as though they do whats best for aaa and not the schools, students, or families.
White County is definitely not the most perfect set up for state tournament. They have the seating but the only problem is the biggest section of seating is behind one of the goals and it is a terrible spot to watch a basketball game.
Quote from: FromTheBench on February 26, 2018, 01:21:37 pm
White County is definitely not the most perfect set up for state tournament. They have the seating but the only problem is the biggest section of seating is behind one of the goals and it is a terrible spot to watch a basketball game.
So...it's like Izard county ?
I've personally never been to ICC gym so I'm not sure. Home and Visitor sides at White County are your average high school gym though. I think MVE gym could hold more people on home and visitor sides
I've mentioned before how jacked up the structure of the 2A bracket is, but maybe this will resonate a little more now that there are actual teams in each slot. Comprehend this:
1) Quitman beat England in the regional semis before falling to WCC in the finals.
2) Quitman is "rewarded" for beating England by drawing the North 3 seed (Marked Tree), while England is "punished" for losing to Quitman by drawing the North 4 seed (EPC).
2b) From the other side of things, when MT & EPC played for 3rd & 4th, the winner of that game is "rewarded" with drawing a 2 seed (Quitman), while the loser draws a 3 seed (England). From the same region!
3) And of course, there is an inexplicable 1 & 2 from the same region on the same side of the bracket.
All of this is completely avoidable. Even with a 12 team, 3 region bracket. It's not too complicated to structure a bracket that keeps 1 seeds opposite from the 2s and 3s from the same region. And it's not hard to make sure teams are not rewarded for losing. Will it make a major difference in determining who the absolute best team is? Probably not. But I'd sure like to see a bracket structured the right way for once.
Quote from: FromTheBench on February 26, 2018, 01:21:37 pm
White County is definitely not the most perfect set up for state tournament. They have the seating but the only problem is the biggest section of seating is behind one of the goals and it is a terrible spot to watch a basketball game.
That's how a lot of the newer/remodeled gyms seating is. Heck most all colleges have seating behind the goals.
Quote from: Ice Water on February 26, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
I've mentioned before how jacked up the structure of the 2A bracket is, but maybe this will resonate a little more now that there are actual teams in each slot. Comprehend this:
1) Quitman beat England in the regional semis before falling to WCC in the finals.
2) Quitman is "rewarded" for beating England by drawing the North 3 seed (Marked Tree), while England is "punished" for losing to Quitman by drawing the North 4 seed (EPC).
2b) From the other side of things, when MT & EPC played for 3rd & 4th, the winner of that game is "rewarded" with drawing a 2 seed (Quitman), while the loser draws a 3 seed (England). From the same region!
3) And of course, there is an inexplicable 1 & 2 from the same region on the same side of the bracket.
One region has to do it but it should be the region that got the free bye which is the south region this year should have been north last year! On the 1 and 2 seeds
All of this is completely avoidable. Even with a 12 team, 3 region bracket. It's not too complicated to structure a bracket that keeps 1 seeds opposite from the 2s and 3s from the same region. And it's not hard to make sure teams are not rewarded for losing. Will it make a major difference in determining who the absolute best team is? Probably not. But I'd sure like to see a bracket structured the right way for once.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 26, 2018, 04:50:52 pm
That's how a lot of the newer/remodeled gyms seating is. Heck most all colleges have seating behind the goals.
Seating behind the goal is cool.... 1/2 the seating in the gym behind one goal, not so much(seen that 1a state tournament 2 years ago)
In the girls bracket all the number 2 seeds are on the same side while Earle and caddo hills are waiting on 3/4 winners in the second round. I think the possible 2nd round Carlisle quitman game could be a dandy to watch
Quote from: HorseFeathers on February 26, 2018, 05:36:22 pm
Seating behind the goal is cool.... 1/2 the seating in the gym behind one goal, not so much(seen that 1a state tournament 2 years ago)
That's not how WCC is. It might be a 1/4 of the seating.
Quote from: HoopKing on February 26, 2018, 05:55:19 pm
In the girls bracket all the number 2 seeds are on the same side while Earle and caddo hills are waiting on 3/4 winners in the second round. I think the possible 2nd round Carlisle quitman game could be a dandy to watch
The possible match up would eliminate a serious contender in The 2nd round.
Quote from: Ctucker on February 26, 2018, 10:37:27 am
I'm going to tell how old i am by saying this but gym was built my junior year we had to play all away game first half of that year because our old gym was condemned. The remodel was extensive!
Wow, you're older than I am lol
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 26, 2018, 09:39:54 am
It's pretty new. It's nice inside.
Bleacher seats or seat backs?
Quote from: MomaLion on February 26, 2018, 11:20:00 pm
Bleacher seats or seat backs?
I think it's seatback on home side
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 26, 2018, 06:52:10 pm
That's not how WCC is. It might be a 1/4 of the seating.
So, like Hazen?
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 26, 2018, 11:21:24 pm
I think it's seatback on home side
Just need to know if i'm bringing a cushion lol...I plan to watch most if not all games and those seats get mighty hard.
Quote from: MomaLion on February 26, 2018, 11:25:07 pm
So, like Hazen?
Yea.
You prolly better take a cushion too, just in case.
AAA hasn't outlawed cushions yet???
Quote from: MomaLion on February 26, 2018, 11:19:34 pm
Wow, you're older than I am lol
And I feel it more ever day! Lol And it is just chair back on one side! But good thing about the end seating is it's straight up so you can see over people it front of you which is important to a short guy like me!
Quote from: Ice Water on February 26, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
I've mentioned before how jacked up the structure of the 2A bracket is, but maybe this will resonate a little more now that there are actual teams in each slot. Comprehend this:
1) Quitman beat England in the regional semis before falling to WCC in the finals.
2) Quitman is "rewarded" for beating England by drawing the North 3 seed (Marked Tree), while England is "punished" for losing to Quitman by drawing the North 4 seed (EPC).
2b) From the other side of things, when MT & EPC played for 3rd & 4th, the winner of that game is "rewarded" with drawing a 2 seed (Quitman), while the loser draws a 3 seed (England). From the same region!
3) And of course, there is an inexplicable 1 & 2 from the same region on the same side of the bracket.
All of this is completely avoidable. Even with a 12 team, 3 region bracket. It's not too complicated to structure a bracket that keeps 1 seeds opposite from the 2s and 3s from the same region. And it's not hard to make sure teams are not rewarded for losing. Will it make a major difference in determining who the absolute best team is? Probably not. But I'd sure like to see a bracket structured the right way for once.
I agree with this. WCC and Quitman got slapped in the face for competing for a Regional championship and earning top seeds. There are coaches out there that would have thrown games to get out of that tight spot.
The north regional was gonna have a strong 3 seed regardless with Earle, Clarendon and marked tree. You gotta beat the good teams sometime. Heck it's the state tournament, the competition should be strong. Would you prefer to hand pick your opponents?
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on February 27, 2018, 10:05:10 am
The north regional was gonna have a strong 3 seed regardless with Earle, Clarendon and marked tree. You gotta beat the good teams sometime. Heck it's the state tournament, the competition should be strong. Would you prefer to hand pick your opponents?
You got to beat good teams to win State it does not matter when because if you don't win it it just means u lost your last game of the year!
EPC vs England....Who y'all got?
Don't sleep on EPC they gonna come and fight
Quote from: Dogg on February 27, 2018, 04:25:08 pm
Don't sleep on EPC they gonna come and fight
yes I know they will! I just Pick England to win!
Any first round prediction upsets?
Quote from: MomaLion on February 28, 2018, 09:38:22 am
Any first round prediction upsets?
Do you mean by seeds because the only first round game that could possibly be a upset no matter who wins! Would be MT PIne beating Clarendon don't think it will happen but the rest of the games would not be a upset I don't think personally!
It will be great! Cant wait to I can retire and go.
Quitman will have hands absolutely full with Marked Tree, but don't count them out!
Quote from: Ice Water on February 26, 2018, 03:21:01 pm
I've mentioned before how jacked up the structure of the 2A bracket is, but maybe this will resonate a little more now that there are actual teams in each slot. Comprehend this:
1) Quitman beat England in the regional semis before falling to WCC in the finals.
2) Quitman is "rewarded" for beating England by drawing the North 3 seed (Marked Tree), while England is "punished" for losing to Quitman by drawing the North 4 seed (EPC).
2b) From the other side of things, when MT & EPC played for 3rd & 4th, the winner of that game is "rewarded" with drawing a 2 seed (Quitman), while the loser draws a 3 seed (England). From the same region!
3) And of course, there is an inexplicable 1 & 2 from the same region on the same side of the bracket.
All of this is completely avoidable. Even with a 12 team, 3 region bracket. It's not too complicated to structure a bracket that keeps 1 seeds opposite from the 2s and 3s from the same region. And it's not hard to make sure teams are not rewarded for losing. Will it make a major difference in determining who the absolute best team is? Probably not. But I'd sure like to see a bracket structured the right way for once.
Since you seem to have all the answers, have at it!!! Let's see your bracket!!
Quote from: 3 Dollar on March 01, 2018, 07:01:48 am
Since you seem to have all the answers, have at it!!! Let's see your bracket!!
A) Start with a standard 16 team bracket. 1vs16, 8vs9, 4vs13, etc...
B) Place the three regional winners in seed slots 1-3.
C) Place the three regional runners-ups in seed slots 4-6 making sure each is opposite the winner of its own region.
D) Place the three regional third place teams in seed slots 7-9 making sure each is opposite the winner of its own region.
E) Place the three regional fourth place teams in seed slots 10-12 making sure each is on the same half as the winner of its own region.
F) Fill seed slots 13-16 with byes.
The best thing would be to just devide the state into 4 regions instead of 3.
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on March 01, 2018, 08:37:27 am
The best thing would be to just devide the state into 4 regions instead of 3.
Yes. And that is happening next season.