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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #200 on: February 08, 2018, 10:48:39 am »
Well Gus runs the same thing he was running in 2A level. It still puts points in the board. Morris also uses some of that same offense. Just tweaks it and uses variations of it.

He puts points in the board. Clemson as the OC and at SMU.

A play doesnít have to be complicated or complex to be effective. Just create the right matchup, be executed well and put players in the right spots to make plays.

I mean the Eagles just uses a mainly zone read and RPO offense to win a super bowl.

All that having some truth to it, you still need very good players to keep pace in the SEC, nobodies offense or defense is going to pull wins out of a magic hat without talent.  "If we want it bad enough we will win????"

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #201 on: February 08, 2018, 11:53:10 am »
I was more talking the comment made about the simplicity of 3A offenses. The recruiting has changed more to speed and aggressive players from what Iíve seen.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #202 on: February 08, 2018, 12:49:40 pm »
I'm not sure all 3A offenses are so simple, nor all 7A are more so.  Really, read option and RPO I wouldn't say are necessarily simpler than say I offense where there are no options nor choices to decide on pre or post snap.  Football is about execution and making proper decisions on the move. 

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #203 on: February 08, 2018, 04:24:24 pm »
Well Gus runs the same thing he was running in 2A level. It still puts points in the board. Morris also uses some of that same offense. Just tweaks it and uses variations of it.

Oh my God!  It's football, everybody does the same stuff one way or another.  Everybody copies from one another and tweaks it. Been doing that for decades.  Either you got players or you don't.  NO players and it doesn't matter who the head coach is or what system you are running.  Heck, people talk about how good Gus is, how bad the wing T is, that's what the man got his offense from, just put it into a different set from what most people were used to seeing, single back gun but he wasnt the first or the last. 

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #204 on: February 08, 2018, 11:15:18 pm »
At the 3A high school level, staffs are tiny and coach are mostly if not entirely teaching classes all day.  They also have to work around whatever kids live in the district.  An SEC school has a comparatively huge staff, coaches who do nothing but coach all day, and players that are, on the average, tremendously bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter than the average high school.  If they aren't using much larger playbooks and adding wrinkles to the scheme that high schools don't have the time or personnel to implement, they aren't doing their jobs.  Sure, maybe they both run the same basic formation, but that's like saying that a kid that's had Algebra I should be able to pick Differential Equations right up because hey, it's all numbers right?

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #205 on: February 09, 2018, 06:03:04 am »
Iím sure the Hog offense will have plenty of wrinkles

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #206 on: February 09, 2018, 05:20:35 pm »
Picked up Dorian Gerald today. Beat out A&M Florida and Tennessee for him

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #207 on: February 09, 2018, 05:59:15 pm »
Picked up Dorian Gerald today. Beat out A&M Florida and Tennessee for him

WPS.

Did good with little time and poor outreach by the previous staff.

Build it. And they will come.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #208 on: February 09, 2018, 08:36:58 pm »
He is a JUCO 3* but 23 offers. 22 sacks in his first 2 seasons.

So by what I understand we have signed 17 and we had 10 spots by what I know.


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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #209 on: February 09, 2018, 11:51:12 pm »
Future looks promising to say the least. Iím a bit excited about this new era.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #210 on: February 10, 2018, 07:12:13 am »
I know numbers arenít that impressive for the recruiting class this year. I think we still need up in the 50ís ranking wise and bottom of the SEC. Doesnít sound great at all.

The positives. Even with the low numbers this is still the 3rd highest rated, per recruit average we have had in the past 10 years. He did that after being hired later than other coaches. With an early signing period and without a full staff. Then beat out SEC schools for some of these guys after being late to the party.

I am optimistic that Morris may actually be the best recruiter we have had at Arkansas. With a full year to recruit for 2019 and the current offers. It is possible that we may have one of the highest rated classes weíve ever had. Not saying it will happen but just by who heís targeting and could possibly land it could be.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #212 on: February 10, 2018, 08:49:08 am »
I know numbers arenít that impressive for the recruiting class this year. I think we still need up in the 50ís ranking wise and bottom of the SEC. Doesnít sound great at all.

The positives. Even with the low numbers this is still the 3rd highest rated, per recruit average we have had in the past 10 years. He did that after being hired later than other coaches. With an early signing period and without a full staff. Then beat out SEC schools for some of these guys after being late to the party.

I am optimistic that Morris may actually be the best recruiter we have had at Arkansas. With a full year to recruit for 2019 and the current offers. It is possible that we may have one of the highest rated classes weíve ever had. Not saying it will happen but just by who heís targeting and could possibly land it could be.

Need to lock up Treylon and Hudson.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #213 on: February 10, 2018, 10:34:07 am »
I don't understand how he could sign a full class anyway, he is currently over the roster limit now.  I hate to see new coaches come in and sign a new class only to cull the players that are currently there.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #214 on: February 10, 2018, 10:36:58 am »
AW, would you please take the modify option and change that t to an h in the title.  My OCD side is acting up.  ;D

http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=154569.msg3564439#msg3564439

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #215 on: February 10, 2018, 04:15:58 pm »
There are several players that need culling

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #216 on: February 10, 2018, 04:24:41 pm »
There are several players that need culling


I would say about 10-15 players.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #217 on: February 10, 2018, 04:41:14 pm »
There are several players that need culling

Start with the TE that runs a 5.0 and Bert even tried to hand him the ball in goal line situations  ???

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #218 on: February 11, 2018, 10:33:28 am »
Need to lock up Treylon and Hudson.
I know they are all over Burks.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #219 on: February 11, 2018, 02:43:34 pm »
On another forum. Seems with transfers and what not we are still 5 schollies over right now.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #220 on: February 12, 2018, 07:46:54 pm »
Just jerk the worst players scholarships so you can sign the guys you really want.  It would let the guys who loose their scholarships seek an alternative.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #221 on: February 13, 2018, 04:52:32 pm »
Hey that moved Arkansas up from 110 to 49th..  14th (dead last) in the SEC.  I'm not trying to reign on the parade, just throwing out some reality for discussion.  Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, recruited a team one level above Arkansas.  Basically 12-15 Fours Stars vs Arkansas 12-15 Three Stars.  Fact is that won't cut it..  I think Arkansas has hit the jack pot with Morris and Chavis (reason Dorian is coming) and recruiting will improve a ton, but I don't think Arkansas will win 4 SEC games before Dorian graduates.  Arkansas could've used the freshman DE A&M flipped from Bama.  Happy Valentines!  ;)

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #222 on: February 13, 2018, 08:15:25 pm »
Like I said next year will be the test for Morris. The class is way better than where it was going to be and is last in the SEC because of not being able to sign a full class. It would have been firmly in the middle as usual with a full class.

A&M will be right in the middle as usually until Orgerons coaching finally kicks in.

Just expect us to look like we have played football next year

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #223 on: February 15, 2018, 08:43:10 pm »
So same SEC finish as last year?

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #224 on: February 15, 2018, 08:50:29 pm »
So same SEC finish as last year?

Arkansas will finish 6th in the West.... just ahead of A&M in last in the West.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #225 on: February 16, 2018, 08:41:39 am »
Arkansas will finish 6th in the West.... just ahead of A&M in last in the West.

Good Beach Bum we can have fun with this.  While it might not be saying much, A&M is a better team than last year.  Remember all the comments about having never heard of so many freshman and sophomores playing n the AR vs A&M game?  With their starting freshman QB out they still beat Arkansas for the 6th straight year.  What has changed other than coach upgrade and A&M having a 4 star recruit class vs Arkansas 3 star?  So you're thinking Ole Miss might finish above A&M and Arkansas?
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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #226 on: February 16, 2018, 12:06:14 pm »
Arkansas is still at the bottom of the SEC right now and a bunch of 3* will not get us to the top.  I don't think Morris or Chavis is a good enough coach to to that.  So far I'm taking a wait and see attitude on the team and next years season but I'm not going to expect a huge win loss turnaround wit what we have at this point.  I'm concerned about if we cannot win 6 or more next season, how that effects the future of success is what worries me.

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #227 on: February 22, 2018, 02:03:51 pm »
Hog fans should prepare for the worst and hope for the best, the result may be somewhere in between.  To make a big jump Defense is going to have to make huge gains and offense is going to have to have some consistency.   

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« Reply #228 on: March 07, 2018, 08:05:26 am »
Beach Bum are you looking at the SEC Recruiting? As ricepig would say - it doesn't matter until the kids show up for the first day of practice, however while Arkansas is somewhat pleased with their 49th ranked, 2018, 3* recruit class, other SEC teams are fired up about their 4-5* 2019 commits.  I think Arkansas made the right head coach choice, but he'd better bring David's sling shot to fight Goliath.     

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #229 on: March 07, 2018, 09:54:07 am »
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #230 on: March 07, 2018, 06:24:23 pm »
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1

And that is news because Kelly is too fat to move and got in trouble for DWI.  Storey who?

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #231 on: March 07, 2018, 07:09:00 pm »
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1
Surely we can find somebody better!

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« Reply #232 on: March 07, 2018, 08:15:33 pm »
House full of QB's and not a great one in the mix.  2018 looks bleak I'm afraid.  Oh well BB taught us not to expect too much.

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« Reply #233 on: March 07, 2018, 10:12:30 pm »
Surely we can find somebody better!
Storey may be better who knows. We all know B.B. didnít do very well at putting the correct talent in the field.

I guess some folks are are expecting 10 wins next year. Wonít happen, imo we will be around.500.

As far as recruiting. By what Iíve read Morris has only given offers to 4 and 5 stars so far. Plus he is going in to Bama, GA to try and get these players. Donít know if we get them but we havenít had a staff do that at anytime I can remember to try and get those kinds of players

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #234 on: March 08, 2018, 12:14:44 pm »
You saying all the signees are 4-5 star recruits?

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« Reply #235 on: March 08, 2018, 01:59:36 pm »
You saying all the signees are 4-5 star recruits?
All the 2019 he has offered are 4 and 5 Star

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« Reply #236 on: March 09, 2018, 01:36:00 pm »
All the 2019 he has offered are 4 and 5 Star

Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I didn't think the current signees were all 4 or 5.

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« Reply #237 on: March 09, 2018, 02:28:55 pm »
Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I didn't think the current signees were all 4 or 5.
Fogot to put the 2019 in there. Iím sure there will be some 3 stars offered though lol

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« Reply #238 on: March 09, 2018, 06:56:43 pm »
Seems like Arkansas has one 3 star commit.
   
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« Reply #239 on: March 10, 2018, 08:25:55 am »
Seems like Arkansas has one 3 star commit.
   
Long way to go before 2019 kids start signing. I havenít seen an Arkansas coach going after recruits like Morris is.

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« Reply #241 on: March 16, 2018, 02:25:58 pm »
Long way to go before 2019 kids start signing. I havenít seen an Arkansas coach going after recruits like Morris is.

Top college football programs are on top of the recruiting years out.  Having commits a year out is the difference in mediocre and not..

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« Reply #242 on: March 16, 2018, 06:43:18 pm »
Top college football programs are on top of the recruiting years out.  Having commits a year out is the difference in mediocre and not..
We are working on it. I dont know how things will turn out. But Morris is getting after it, Iíll give him that. And heís offered players out to 2020. So he is looking ahead and trying

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« Reply #243 on: March 17, 2018, 08:53:53 am »
We are working on it. I dont know how things will turn out. But Morris is getting after it, Iíll give him that. And heís offered players out to 2020. So he is looking ahead and trying

True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.     

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« Reply #244 on: March 17, 2018, 12:26:40 pm »
True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.   

Can you elaborate on your proposition here. What makes him the best man for the job and how is he facing bigger obstacles than any other coach in UA history?    I admit he wasn't my pick but I don't see why he was the best man for the job.  Obstacles, I guess if you are saying UA is in the worst shape in its history which may be true, I'd agree with that.

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« Reply #245 on: March 21, 2018, 01:18:53 pm »
Arkansas lost a rung on the ladder when A&M came into the SEC.  Whether Rzfans understand that or not, it is what it is.  A&M being the only SEC Team in Texas, having the money, best facilities, recruits, etc, etc...  The SEC is faaaast & big...  I feel Morris will be able to recruit a 1st string of SEC players - but Bama, A&M, LSU have equal 2nd-3rd strings.  4th quarter will always be a problem.  Auburn has Malzahn as well as good recruits.  Malzahn understands trying to gain every advantage possible.  Why the heck would you play straight up Old School with Bama! This is why Morris is the best coach for Arkansas - he's not straight up stupid.  He's a Malzahn understudy.  If the opponent is bigger, stronger, faster he'll run to their weakness, some sort of disguising misdirection, wildcat, whatever.  If he can bring SMU back from the Death Penalty, 30 yrs later, he should be able to help Arkansas.  Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss......
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« Reply #246 on: March 22, 2018, 12:03:02 am »
Not sure Morris brought SMU back from the death penalty.  June Jones won two divisional titles, Had 4 winning seasons in a row and 3 of 4 bowl appearances while the first HC at SMU after the death penalty.  I'd say he's the guy that revived the program. He did leave the program after a bad season but then Morris was only there 3 years so there is no guarantee that he would have continued to win or to improve the record.  For this reason I think he's a bit of a gamble for UA.  Hopefully he will turn them around as quickly as some are predicting.

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« Reply #247 on: March 22, 2018, 06:02:14 am »
True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.   
Im not sure itís bigger obstacles. Sure itís tough. But for the most part recent Hog coaches havenít ventured in to Texas as much or recruited it as hard.

We have made the list for several highly regarded recruits here lately. I canít remember that happening here recently either.

Also while we only have a few commits that are 3 stars. Morris has offered the highest percentage of 4 and 5 Star recruits ever for Arkansas.

Again that shows he is working the recruiting trail harder than any other Hog coach Iíve heard of. If he starts landing some of these kids things could get interesting.

Is he the right man for the job. Who knows. We will know in 4 or 5 years probably.

Also we have been competitive in years with less talent and a worse coach than all the schools you mentioned. A few game changers can have a big effect and we will see what Morris can do. If he doesnít get it done then next man up.

Thatís why Jimbo is at A&M right

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« Reply #248 on: March 22, 2018, 10:24:15 am »
Jones wasnít the first HC after the death penalty. Forrest Gregg was

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Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
« Reply #249 on: March 22, 2018, 11:14:28 am »
Not sure Morris brought SMU back from the death penalty.  June Jones won two divisional titles, Had 4 winning seasons in a row and 3 of 4 bowl appearances while the first HC at SMU after the death penalty.  I'd say he's the guy that revived the program. He did leave the program after a bad season but then Morris was only there 3 years so there is no guarantee that he would have continued to win or to improve the record.  For this reason I think he's a bit of a gamble for UA.  Hopefully he will turn them around as quickly as some are predicting.

Jones wasnít the first HC after the death penalty. Forrest Gregg was

"In 1987, SMU football became the first, and currently only, football program in collegiate athletic history to receive the "death penalty" for repeat violation of NCAA rules, that is, having a sports program fully terminated for a determined amount of time. SMU's football program was terminated for the 1987 season because the University was making approximately $61,000 in booster payments from 1985 to 1986. It later emerged that a slush fund had been used to pay players as early as the mid-1970s, and athletic officials had known about it as early as 1981."

Dave Smith           1973Ė1975        16-15-2
Ron Meyer             1976Ė1981        34-32-1
Bobby Collins         1982Ė1986        43-14-1

Forrest Gregg        1989Ė1990          3-19-0
Tom Rossley          1991Ė1996        15-48-3
Mike Cavan            1997Ė2001        22Ė34
Phil Bennett           2002Ė2007        18Ė52
June Jones             2008Ė2014        36Ė52
Tom Mason (Interim)       2014            1Ė9
Chad Morris            2015Ė2017        14-22
Sonny Dykes           2017-Present       0-1
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