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Title: Carlisle Football
Post by: hogwild_82 on June 06, 2018, 04:27:54 pm
So Coach Uhrien is out? What is the deal with Carlisle? Why have they fallen so far?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 06, 2018, 09:47:54 pm
Hmmm
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on June 07, 2018, 05:14:19 am
I thought he was supposed to be the one that brought back the swagger.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 07, 2018, 06:18:07 am
I did some research and I found out he is retiring
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Ventman on June 07, 2018, 10:07:36 am
Hard times on the Prairie.  I think in the near future you will see many 2A schools dropping football. Kids just aren't wanting to play a game that takes as much effort as football does.  Its just sad to me, I love Friday nights watching the kids play this game.
Maybe they can hire a young coach and he can get the program back on track.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 07, 2018, 12:08:11 pm
Quote from: big E on June 07, 2018, 05:14:19 am
I thought he was supposed to be the one that brought back the swagger.

I don't know if that was said about Uhiren or not but swagger is an over used buzz word that seems to surround a lot of new coaching hires, regardless of level.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 07, 2018, 12:30:00 pm
Quote from: big E on June 07, 2018, 05:14:19 am
I thought he was supposed to be the one that brought back the swagger.

I guess he swaggered right out the door...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: WonderWartHawg on June 07, 2018, 01:32:39 pm
Quote from: Ventman on June 07, 2018, 10:07:36 am
Hard times on the Prairie.  I think in the near future you will see many 2A schools dropping football. Kids just aren't wanting to play a game that takes as much effort as football does.  Its just sad to me, I love Friday nights watching the kids play this game.
Maybe they can hire a young coach and he can get the program back on track.

Rison / Carlisle in the playoffs used to be as good of a football game as you could ever hope to watch, high school, college, NFL, bar none.  Of course we are not talking talent level wise, but as far as a game that meant something to the players, to the fans, to the communities...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 07, 2018, 07:13:44 pm
Quote from: big E on June 07, 2018, 05:14:19 am
I thought he was supposed to be the one that brought back the swagger.

I don't think that was the thought behind his hiring.  Mark is a tough-nosed, no-nonsense type of coach.  When he was hired, the program was a complete mess...losing seasons, ineligible players being played, no accountability or discipline in the program, etc.  Coach sought to clean all that up and had a tremendous first season, going 7-5 and making into the second round of the playoffs.  Last year, he had four seniors and a total roster size of 21 or 22.  By the end of the year, due to injuries, he was down to only a handful of players.  The season went about as expected. 

I'm not sure how they were looking heading into this year, but honestly, I think Mark is just tired and realizes that it's time for someone else to fight the battles with the kids, the parents and the administration.  His style doesn't jive with many of today's kids nor their parents.  I also know his mom and dad, as well as his in-laws, are not in the best of shape so maybe he's stepping aside to assist with them.  Either way, Carlisle is his home, so I'm sure he will still be around and visible in the community.  He's a good man and I think he did an admirable job considering what he walked into.  As someone said earlier, the old days of small town football, I'm afraid, are a thing of the past.   
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Fan1958 on June 07, 2018, 10:27:35 pm
The next guy coming in is going to have it much easier.  Swapping Lee County for McCrory and/or Palestine-Wheatley makes finishing in the top four much easier.  Earle will be tough but not more than McCrory.

Biggest problem is Mark was hard nosed and no nonsense. He got that from the guy he played under in high school and the coaches he worked under before being the main man. The kids, and unfortunately the parents, want the coaches to be their buddy and he's just not that guy. His style is not flashy but is perfectly designed for the type and number of athletes available to him. But parents and kids want to throw the ball all over the yard. When you have 20 kids on the roster you don't have that luxury.

Parents today think they can just approach a coach and say whatever they want. That attitude rubs off on the kids. Be interesting to see the reaction of those parents if the coach showed up and made suggestions on how and when to water the rice or spray the beans.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 07, 2018, 11:04:00 pm
Quote from: Fan1958 on June 07, 2018, 10:27:35 pm
The next guy coming in is going to have it much easier.  Swapping Lee County for McCrory and/or Palestine-Wheatley makes finishing in the top four much easier.  Earle will be tough but not more than McCrory.

Biggest problem is Mark was hard nosed and no nonsense. He got that from the guy he played under in high school and the coaches he worked under before being the main man. The kids, and unfortunately the parents, want the coaches to be their buddy and he's just not that guy. His style is not flashy but is perfectly designed for the type and number of athletes available to him. But parents and kids want to throw the ball all over the yard. When you have 20 kids on the roster you don't have that luxury.

Parents today think they can just approach a coach and say whatever they want. That attitude rubs off on the kids. Be interesting to see the reaction of those parents if the coach showed up and made suggestions on how and when to water the rice or spray the beans.

Perfectly stated.  Mark never has and never will be a buddy buddy or butt kisser and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.  He is about developing young boys into grown men, through hard work, discipline and accountability.  Unfortunately, all those traits are quickly disappearing as our society "progresses."  I would love to see how some of these parents and their kids would have dealt with James Clayton back when he was at the helm. 

Carlisle, in my opinion, will never be successful running any type of spread formation.  They simply do not have the athletes, nor the depth.  Look back at any successful Carlisle team and you will see that they were a run first, smash mouth football team.  Clayton, Waymire, Uhiren...all had similar philosophies that worked well with the types of kids they coached.     
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on June 08, 2018, 05:23:30 am
You can still be run first out the spread , it just allows you to not have to run against 11 in the box.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 08, 2018, 06:14:41 am
Quote from: big E on June 08, 2018, 05:23:30 am
You can still be run first out the spread , it just allows you to not have to run against 11 in the box.

Sure you can but coaches like Malham and others have proven the spread isn't the only way to win ballgames.

BTW, how many did P/W have in the box when Uhiren put up 38 on them a couple years back?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 08, 2018, 08:41:49 am
Quote from: big E on June 08, 2018, 05:23:30 am
You can still be run first out the spread , it just allows you to not have to run against 11 in the box.

Sure, you can be a predominately run first team out of the spread, but 1958 stated that some of the Carlisle fans want to sling the ball around the field every play and that was what I was referring to. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: tmycjy on June 08, 2018, 08:44:30 pm
So what happen to mark uhions did he take another job or did he just lose his job coach or what please explain in detail
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on June 09, 2018, 05:45:11 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 08, 2018, 06:14:41 am
Sure you can but coaches like Malham and others have proven the spread isn't the only way to win ballgames.

BTW, how many did P/W have in the box when Uhiren put up 38 on them a couple years back?
Well knowing who the coach was my guess would be 8 , I say that because we never got out if the 4-4 when he was the coach , you could be killing us in c gap which happened quite frequently and he never would adjust.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 09, 2018, 08:09:14 am
Quote from: tmycjy on June 08, 2018, 08:44:30 pm
So what happen to mark uhions did he take another job or did he just lose his job coach or what please explain in detail

My understanding is he just retired. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 09, 2018, 10:06:59 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 07, 2018, 11:04:00 pm
Mark never has and never will be a buddy buddy or butt kisser and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.  He is about developing young boys into grown men, through hard work, discipline and accountability.  Unfortunately, all those traits are quickly disappearing as our society "progresses."



I've read on this board that his boot camp approach was one reason the numbers were down.  Well kiddos, that excuse is gone so it will be interesting to see what happens going forward.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 09, 2018, 12:36:26 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 09, 2018, 10:06:59 am
I've read on this board that his boot camp approach was one reason the numbers were down.  Well kiddos, that excuse is gone so it will be interesting to see what happens going forward.

Like I said, it's a good thing these kids and their parents weren't around when James Clayton was here.  I guess we just would not have had a football team then.

What's hard for me to understand is those seniors from the 2017 class (Mark's first year) thought the world of him (or at least the one's I talked to did).  They said he was tough, but he was fair and that he demanded respect and accountability.  So what happened between then and now?

If I were guessing, he got tired of fighting an uphill battle, with very little support, and he finally told them he was out.  I can't blame the man one bit.  It's no secret that Carlisle Schools are not in a good place now and it starts at the top, with the old superintendent, as well as the new one.  But that's a different discussion for another day.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 09, 2018, 03:55:46 pm
You can't coach kids anymore the way he wants to.  You can't do it anywhere.  Probably should have went younger with the last hire.  He is a good coach that stayed too long
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 09, 2018, 07:27:50 pm
Quote from: HoopKing on June 09, 2018, 03:55:46 pm
You can't coach kids anymore the way he wants to.  You can't do it anywhere.  Probably should have went younger with the last hire.  He is a good coach that stayed too long

Yes!!

You can still run a disciplined, structured program.  There are MANY coaches across the state who do.  You just can't do it the way it was done 20+ years ago.  The exact same thing happened at Marion with him.  Exact. Same. Thing.  What point do you stop blaming kids and start adapting to kids?  Many have and still put tough, physical, disciplined teams on the field.

That isn't a knock on Uhiren personally, just a general observation.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: tmycjy on June 09, 2018, 07:50:44 pm
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 09, 2018, 08:09:14 am
My understanding is he just retired. 

OK thanks at least that make me feel better for that
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: bigworm on June 10, 2018, 02:00:29 pm
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 09, 2018, 07:27:50 pm
Yes!!

You can still run a disciplined, structured program.  There are MANY coaches across the state who do.  You just can't do it the way it was done 20+ years ago.  The exact same thing happened at Marion with him.  Exact. Same. Thing.  What point do you stop blaming kids and start adapting to kids?  Many have and still put tough, physical, disciplined teams on the field.

That isn't a knock on Uhiren personally, just a general observation.

I agree 100 percent. You either adapt or die.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 12:04:58 am
Parents and players wanted discipline when Uhiren was hired. I was one of the seniors during the 2016 season and some people who read on this thread know exactly who I am. Uhiren was definitely not hired to bring back "swagger". Swagger is for the kids. Uhiren was hired to win football games. The 2016 season was a dandy compared to the previous two seasons if you ask me. A win against McCrory and Des Arc that year, and we would have had a better run. A win against Augusta would have been nice too. However, there were some factors that threw the players off in the locker room pre game. We came out flat footed and etc.

Back to Uhiren. He's a respectable man. He's another dad to me. I only played under him for one season, but any day that I stepped into the field house when Uhiren was there I was greeted with a smile, a handshake, and "How you doing big boy?" Uhiren wasn't a swagger guy. He wasn't a buddy. He was a coach and a father to us. We respected him. We would go through heck and back for him. Look at the 2016 and 2017 seasons. You go from 7-5, losing in the second round to a VERY good Danville team, to only 2 wins and no playoff appearance. What changed? Not a single coach changed between the two seasons. What changed? The players. The group of seniors that I graduated with, would jump off a cliff for that man because we knew he would do the same. It's not a coaching issue at Carlisle. Not this time. It's the lack of respect and want to. If you want the truth, my class wanted Coach Roberson to be hired for the head coaching position that year. We would run the double wing offense that Waymire, Barbaree, and Keith hammered into us until we ran the triple option in the 2015 season. Roberson had been loyal to us and was busting our butts in the off season while the hiring process was going on. Were he %200 happy about Uhiren getting hired? Honestly, no. Butt there wasn't a dang thing we could do about it. So we sucked it up and played some football.

Whoever Carlisle hires next, will be a good hire. I have heard rumors here and there from some different sources. It will be just like any other coach. He is gonna yell. He is gonna push. How the kids respond, is what will determine the season.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 11, 2018, 06:11:23 am
Quote from: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 12:04:58 am
Parents and players wanted discipline when Uhiren was hired. I was one of the seniors during the 2016 season and some people who read on this thread know exactly who I am. Uhiren was definitely not hired to bring back "swagger". Swagger is for the kids. Uhiren was hired to win football games. The 2016 season was a dandy compared to the previous two seasons if you ask me. A win against McCrory and Des Arc that year, and we would have had a better run. A win against Augusta would have been nice too. However, there were some factors that threw the players off in the locker room pre game. We came out flat footed and etc.

Back to Uhiren. He's a respectable man. He's another dad to me. I only played under him for one season, but any day that I stepped into the field house when Uhiren was there I was greeted with a smile, a handshake, and "How you doing big boy?" Uhiren wasn't a swagger guy. He wasn't a buddy. He was a coach and a father to us. We respected him. We would go through heck and back for him. Look at the 2016 and 2017 seasons. You go from 7-5, losing in the second round to a VERY good Danville team, to only 2 wins and no playoff appearance. What changed? Not a single coach changed between the two seasons. What changed? The players. The group of seniors that I graduated with, would jump off a cliff for that man because we knew he would do the same. It's not a coaching issue at Carlisle. Not this time. It's the lack of respect and want to. If you want the truth, my class wanted Coach Roberson to be hired for the head coaching position that year. We would run the double wing offense that Waymire, Barbaree, and Keith hammered into us until we ran the triple option in the 2015 season. Roberson had been loyal to us and was busting our butts in the off season while the hiring process was going on. Were he %200 happy about Uhiren getting hired? Honestly, no. Butt there wasn't a dang thing we could do about it. So we sucked it up and played some football.

Whoever Carlisle hires next, will be a good hire. I have heard rumors here and there from some different sources. It will be just like any other coach. He is gonna yell. He is gonna push. How the kids respond, is what will determine the season.

That, young man, is probably the best post I've ever read on this board.  Props to you for sharing your personal experience and opinion.  Your comment on the only thing that changed was the players is especially telling.  Seems Uhiren isn't the ogre everyone makes him out to be.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: samschoice on June 11, 2018, 06:54:12 am
What happened to the last superintendent at Carlisle?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 11, 2018, 08:44:14 am
Quote from: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 12:04:58 am
A win against Augusta would have been nice too. However, there were some factors that threw the players off in the locker room pre game. We came out flat footed and etc.
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Wasn't that a game where Carlisle was behind by something like four touchdowns before their offense ever touched the ball?

I never figured that one out.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Eagle boss on June 11, 2018, 09:33:32 am
 Anybody know who they are interviewing for this job?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 11, 2018, 10:15:08 am
Quote from: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 12:04:58 am
Parents and players wanted discipline when Uhiren was hired. I was one of the seniors during the 2016 season and some people who read on this thread know exactly who I am. Uhiren was definitely not hired to bring back "swagger". Swagger is for the kids. Uhiren was hired to win football games. The 2016 season was a dandy compared to the previous two seasons if you ask me. A win against McCrory and Des Arc that year, and we would have had a better run. A win against Augusta would have been nice too. However, there were some factors that threw the players off in the locker room pre game. We came out flat footed and etc.

Back to Uhiren. He's a respectable man. He's another dad to me. I only played under him for one season, but any day that I stepped into the field house when Uhiren was there I was greeted with a smile, a handshake, and "How you doing big boy?" Uhiren wasn't a swagger guy. He wasn't a buddy. He was a coach and a father to us. We respected him. We would go through heck and back for him. Look at the 2016 and 2017 seasons. You go from 7-5, losing in the second round to a VERY good Danville team, to only 2 wins and no playoff appearance. What changed? Not a single coach changed between the two seasons. What changed? The players. The group of seniors that I graduated with, would jump off a cliff for that man because we knew he would do the same. It's not a coaching issue at Carlisle. Not this time. It's the lack of respect and want to. If you want the truth, my class wanted Coach Roberson to be hired for the head coaching position that year. We would run the double wing offense that Waymire, Barbaree, and Keith hammered into us until we ran the triple option in the 2015 season. Roberson had been loyal to us and was busting our butts in the off season while the hiring process was going on. Were he %200 happy about Uhiren getting hired? Honestly, no. Butt there wasn't a dang thing we could do about it. So we sucked it up and played some football.

Whoever Carlisle hires next, will be a good hire. I have heard rumors here and there from some different sources. It will be just like any other coach. He is gonna yell. He is gonna push. How the kids respond, is what will determine the season.

Thank you for sharing that.  It's encouraging to see people that "get it."  Especially, young people.  I, too, wonder what changed between your class and last year?  Seems like "his way of coaching" worked pretty well two years ago. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 11, 2018, 11:06:00 am
Quote from: samschoice on June 11, 2018, 06:54:12 am
What happened to the last superintendent at Carlisle?

Jason Clark resigned as superintendent to assume some new hybrid role of facility maintenance/groundskeeper/etc. for the district.  The school board then voted for the HS Principal,Brad Horn, to be the new superintendent.  It was a 4-3 decision and many Carlisle people, myself included, were not happy with his hiring.  Under Clark (Superintendent) and Horn (HS Principal), Carlisle schools appear to have fallen way behind in terms of test scores, post-secondary readiness, etc.  In addition, and equally alarming, is the high rate of turnover among teachers/staff, especially those that have been in Carlisle for the majority of their career.  While I understand, some teachers will leave due to making more money elsewhere, there are/were many teachers who wanted to stay on, but because things were so bad, they retired or resigned.

I've heard so many stories from coaches/teachers that I've known for many years that really has me concerned for the future of Carlisle Schools.  That's why I said I think administration and the lack of support from said administrators may have also played a role in Uhiren stepping down.   
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 04:41:56 pm
Quote from: Dayton Kitchens on June 11, 2018, 08:44:14 am
Wasn't that a game where Carlisle was behind by something like four touchdowns before their offense ever touched the ball?

I never figured that one out.

Pretty much. We were on our high horse after defeating Dewitt the week before.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on June 11, 2018, 11:25:56 pm
From what I'm hearing, it will be a entire new coaching staff. In my opinion,  Roberson should get the shot.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 05:43:12 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 11, 2018, 11:06:00 am
Jason Clark resigned as superintendent to assume some new hybrid role of facility maintenance/groundskeeper/etc. for the district.  The school board then voted for the HS Principal,Brad Horn, to be the new superintendent.  It was a 4-3 decision and many Carlisle people, myself included, were not happy with his hiring.  Under Clark (Superintendent) and Horn (HS Principal), Carlisle schools appear to have fallen way behind in terms of test scores, post-secondary readiness, etc.  In addition, and equally alarming, is the high rate of turnover among teachers/staff, especially those that have been in Carlisle for the majority of their career.  While I understand, some teachers will leave due to making more money elsewhere, there are/were many teachers who wanted to stay on, but because things were so bad, they retired or resigned.

I've heard so many stories from coaches/teachers that I've known for many years that really has me concerned for the future of Carlisle Schools.  That's why I said I think administration and the lack of support from said administrators may have also played a role in Uhiren stepping down.   

Is the new principal the guy who was the baseball coach when they had an embarrassing incident during the state championship game in Fayetteville a few years back?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 12, 2018, 08:42:35 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 05:43:12 am
Is the new principal the guy who was the baseball coach when they had an embarrassing incident during the state championship game in Fayetteville a few years back?

I'm not sure of the incident you are referring too, but yes, I believe it is the same guy.  B.J. Greene is his name.  I think he left Carlisle in 2012. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 12, 2018, 09:22:19 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 12, 2018, 08:42:35 am
I’m not sure of the incident you are referring too, but yes, I believe it is the same guy.  B.J. Greene is his name.  I think he left Carlisle in 2012. 

Bradley Joseph Greene is a good man.    I worked with him at Norphlet a couple of years.   A gifted baseball coach and really good at coaching one of the more difficult positions at the high school level (defensive secondary).
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 10:06:00 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 12, 2018, 08:42:35 am
I'm not sure of the incident you are referring too, but yes, I believe it is the same guy.  B.J. Greene is his name.  I think he left Carlisle in 2012.

I did a little FF research and found this.  Sounds like one kid and his parent got out of line but that Greene handled it well.


He was called out for making contact with the ball while his foot was out side of the batters box(in front of the plate) He was ejected for throwing his helmet and probaly his langauge. Randy Rainwater said his mother was dancing on top of the dugout as this happened. How embarassing for Carlisle. Score now 14-2 probaly going to end as a run ruled game in the 5th. I hate this for all the other Carlisle players who have always played with class everytime I saw them play this year. Carlisle's coach was a great example of how to handle a terrible situation.


And the kid charged the ump and bumped the ump and kicked dirt on the plate and was giving the one finger salute leaving the field as he is being escorted by UAPD?? He was wanting out of the game...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 12, 2018, 01:07:29 pm
Let me just say that the Carlisle Schools and administration leading it are in a good place. The former administration, which includes some of the current are doing a fantastic job. Our test scores are in line with like and neighboring schools. We have great teachers, coaches, administrators and facilities. We have great fan support also. Sometimes you might not be winning because you're just not that good. Sorry... that's life. Your kid/team (I am being rhetorical) may not be as good as you think.

I wish not to engage in a war of words with anyone on their opinion that differs from mine. BUT... my daughter just graduated from there this past year... was in every sport that girls could be in and excelled in each. I am not posting this to brag, I am posting this to make a point. She worked hard, on and mostly OFF the field and court. She respected her coaches and administrators and never had an issue with any of them. Wanna know why? RESPECT! Respect for your leaders who are doing their best to raise kids that parents are not raising at home. People are quick to point the finger when you don't win games or you don't make the playoffs etc but, are your kids working at getting better? Are you as a parent teaching them to respect the system? Other students? Rules? Or even sometimes... the law?

It's football... not the end of the world. I played on some winning teams and mediocre teams. Didn't change the fact that I was gonna have a life after it. Live it up and enjoy it, just be realistic. Somebody has to lose in sports. That's why you keep score.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Kraig Crist on June 12, 2018, 03:10:55 pm
y'all acting like Uhiren denied some kids water or something.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 12, 2018, 03:31:12 pm
There are still good kids left in the world. Ones that want to work and ones that will respect their coach and go behind whatever they say. It's just a rare occurrence. I am scared to come out of college in a few years and come back to Carlisle to start my teaching and coaching career. I know pretty much all the faces that are in the school because my mom is a teacher there now. I am scared that I won't be respected as a coach and/or teacher because of how close I will be to them in age. And because so, I have thought about starting somewhere else and returning later like Uhiren did. But what's to say that Carlisle is still there in X amount of years? The school district closing is the last thing on my mind because I doubt it will happen, but anything is possible right?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 12, 2018, 03:36:22 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 10:06:00 am
I did a little FF research and found this.  Sounds like one kid and his parent got out of line but that Greene handled it well.


He was called out for making contact with the ball while his foot was out side of the batters box(in front of the plate) He was ejected for throwing his helmet and probaly his langauge. Randy Rainwater said his mother was dancing on top of the dugout as this happened. How embarassing for Carlisle. Score now 14-2 probaly going to end as a run ruled game in the 5th. I hate this for all the other Carlisle players who have always played with class everytime I saw them play this year. Carlisle's coach was a great example of how to handle a terrible situation.


And the kid charged the ump and bumped the ump and kicked dirt on the plate and was giving the one finger salute leaving the field as he is being escorted by UAPD?? He was wanting out of the game...



This did happen. I was there as a spectator, and it was embarrassing. It only made the loss worse than what it was. Coach Greene is a great guy. I had him as PE teacher for several years. He coached me my 7th grade year in the OLB position. He took the baseball team to the State championship that year and was also on the staff that made it to the football State Championship  just a few months before. I was shocked to see him back as a principal. He has already started making changes such as a student athlete handbook. It's a great addition because some student athletes don't understand that they are held to a higher accountability than anyone else in the district.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: old.dole on June 12, 2018, 04:42:01 pm
Any names floating around over there yet? I've heard interviews are going on already but no one has any names
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 12, 2018, 06:10:28 pm
Hopefully know something this week
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 09:15:57 pm
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 11, 2018, 11:06:00 am
Jason Clark resigned as superintendent to assume some new hybrid role of facility maintenance/groundskeeper/etc. for the district.  The school board then voted for the HS Principal,Brad Horn, to be the new superintendent.  It was a 4-3 decision and many Carlisle people, myself included, were not happy with his hiring.  Under Clark (Superintendent) and Horn (HS Principal), Carlisle schools appear to have fallen way behind in terms of test scores, post-secondary readiness, etc.  In addition, and equally alarming, is the high rate of turnover among teachers/staff, especially those that have been in Carlisle for the majority of their career.  While I understand, some teachers will leave due to making more money elsewhere, there are/were many teachers who wanted to stay on, but because things were so bad, they retired or resigned.

I've heard so many stories from coaches/teachers that I've known for many years that really has me concerned for the future of Carlisle Schools.  That's why I said I think administration and the lack of support from said administrators may have also played a role in Uhiren stepping down.   

Saw this in an online article.  Do they usually have that much turn over during the summer?

In other personnel business, the board unanimously accepted resignations, new hires and a contract amendment presented.

Resignations accepted were from Brooke Davis, Donna Tanksley, Ashley Bryant, Alex Rhinehardt, Logan Prince, Ryan Johnson, Dallas Hermann, Phillip Bernhardt, Mark Uhiren and Lonnie Roberson.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 13, 2018, 11:41:04 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 12, 2018, 09:15:57 pm
Saw this in an online article.  Do they usually have that much turn over during the summer?

In other personnel business, the board unanimously accepted resignations, new hires and a contract amendment presented.

Resignations accepted were from Brooke Davis, Donna Tanksley, Ashley Bryant, Alex Rhinehardt, Logan Prince, Ryan Johnson, Dallas Hermann, Phillip Bernhardt, Mark Uhiren and Lonnie Roberson.


I saw that as well.  I'm not sure about the other names listed but Uhiren, Bernhardt, Roberson and Prince is the entire football staff (King was also an assistant that left earlier in the year).  Most of the time, even if the head coach resigns/retires, his remaining staff will stay around to 1) try to get the head job or 2) see who gets the job and maybe try to stay on in the same capacity.  In this instance, it looks like they all decided to move on.     

As I said earlier, according to what I'm seeing and hearing from those in and around the school, it appears that there is something going on and people are jumping ship.  To me, that long of a list of resignations, for a school the size of Carlisle, is concerning.  I know some say that things are great, but this, in combination with other things, doesn't look to good (at least from the outside looking in).  I hope I'm wrong and that things improve.  I guess time will tell.   
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 13, 2018, 12:23:56 pm
So much to say, but I'm not.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Jimbo Morphis on June 13, 2018, 01:24:24 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 13, 2018, 12:23:56 pm
So much to say, but I’m not.
So why did you say this?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 13, 2018, 02:36:16 pm
To stir the pot
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: papaeagle on June 13, 2018, 06:24:45 pm
Quote from: TNT43012 on June 11, 2018, 12:04:58 am
Parents and players wanted discipline when Uhiren was hired. I was one of the seniors during the 2016 season and some people who read on this thread know exactly who I am. Uhiren was definitely not hired to bring back "swagger". Swagger is for the kids. Uhiren was hired to win football games. The 2016 season was a dandy compared to the previous two seasons if you ask me. A win against McCrory and Des Arc that year, and we would have had a better run. A win against Augusta would have been nice too. However, there were some factors that threw the players off in the locker room pre game. We came out flat footed and etc.

Back to Uhiren. He's a respectable man. He's another dad to me. I only played under him for one season, but any day that I stepped into the field house when Uhiren was there I was greeted with a smile, a handshake, and "How you doing big boy?" Uhiren wasn't a swagger guy. He wasn't a buddy. He was a coach and a father to us. We respected him. We would go through heck and back for him. Look at the 2016 and 2017 seasons. You go from 7-5, losing in the second round to a VERY good Danville team, to only 2 wins and no playoff appearance. What changed? Not a single coach changed between the two seasons. What changed? The players. The group of seniors that I graduated with, would jump off a cliff for that man because we knew he would do the same. It's not a coaching issue at Carlisle. Not this time. It's the lack of respect and want to. If you want the truth, my class wanted Coach Roberson to be hired for the head coaching position that year. We would run the double wing offense that Waymire, Barbaree, and Keith hammered into us until we ran the triple option in the 2015 season. Roberson had been loyal to us and was busting our butts in the off season while the hiring process was going on. Were he %200 happy about Uhiren getting hired? Honestly, no. Butt there wasn't a dang thing we could do about it. So we sucked it up and played some football.

Whoever Carlisle hires next, will be a good hire. I have heard rumors here and there from some different sources. It will be just like any other coach. He is gonna yell. He is gonna push. How the kids respond, is what will determine the season.
I agree and a 1+ for you and so well stated from someone who recently went thru what student "athletes" go thru. Sadly it changes from year to year (not the coaches fault) as result of perhaps big personality differences in the following class, less parent control, more egos, less RESPECT as you mentioned and too much swagger for sure. The worst thing is for an athlete to THINK he is SO good and blame the coach for a loss rather than a lack of leadership and aggressive play on the part of the team, especially Seniors without leadership. It is more prevalent in small 2A and 3A classifications since the lack of numbers out for football puts the coach in a big "bind" to be too nice sometimes and having to please parents if the team loses. "Oh it's not my son's fault, etc etc)"  Bull... The world is constantly changing, and as a result more immature, electronic-cell phone minded students lose track of integrity, trust and RESPECT for coaches, administration and THEIR own parents. Nuff said but the 1+ for this poster is SO deserved and comes from a YOUNG person who should know the climate in today's small schools... TU for reading.  :-\
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 13, 2018, 07:48:19 pm
You gotta take a look around geographically around Carlisle. We are a 2A school that is 25 miles from Little Rock and basically a stepping stone for coaches. You only get long term coaches if they have a family with kids that want to attend the school.  It's hard to keep coaches. As a school competing with bigger schools, it is hard to compete. In your line of work, do you want more or want to do better?  Probably something not many people consider or think about but it is a struggle
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 13, 2018, 08:04:42 pm
If the ball had bounced differently a few times Carlisle could easily have two or three state titles in their trophy case.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 13, 2018, 08:43:13 pm
Quote from: Bildo on June 13, 2018, 07:48:19 pm
You gotta take a look around geographically around Carlisle. We are a 2A school that is 25 miles from Little Rock and basically a stepping stone for coaches. You only get long term coaches if they have a family with kids that want to attend the school.  It's hard to keep coaches. As a school competing with bigger schools, it is hard to compete. In your line of work, do you want more or want to do better?  Probably something not many people consider or think about but it is a struggle

I'm guessing this is directed towards me.  I do agree with you, to a point.  Carlisle will always have a higher-than-normal turnover rate in coaches/teachers/etc., because, you are right, it is a 2A school with limited resources and limited money.  Most people, especially younger people, will move on to bigger, better paying jobs.  My point was that while I understand there will be people resigning every year during this time, it did seem somewhat alarming that 10 people (including your ENTIRE football staff) all resigned in one swoop.  I mean, did any of the assistants even try to remain on or go for the head job?  If not, that is extremely concerning. 

How many people teach/work at Carlisle Schools?  50, if that?  So, if you lose 10 that is 20% of your teachers/staff, gone.  I am simply expressing concern for what I am seeing and hearing regarding the last several years.  I know you stated you had a child that recently graduated, that you felt was benefited by attending Carlisle Schools.  That is awesome and I am happy for you as well as your child.  But, it still doesn't discount some of the red flags that have gone up in the last few years.  Like I said, I hope it all gets straightened out and the Carlisle School District continues to thrive.  If we ever lose our schools, you can kiss the community/city goodbye. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 13, 2018, 08:52:06 pm
Quote from: papaeagle on June 13, 2018, 06:24:45 pm
I agree and a 1+ for you and so well stated from someone who recently went thru what student "athletes" go thru. Sadly it changes from year to year (not the coaches fault) as result of perhaps big personality differences in the following class, less parent control, more egos, less RESPECT as you mentioned and too much swagger for sure. The worst thing is for an athlete to THINK he is SO good and blame the coach for a loss rather than a lack of leadership and aggressive play on the part of the team, especially Seniors without leadership. It is more prevalent in small 2A and 3A classifications since the lack of numbers out for football puts the coach in a big "bind" to be too nice sometimes and having to please parents if the team loses. "Oh it's not my son's fault, etc etc)"  Bull... The world is constantly changing, and as a result more immature, electronic-cell phone minded students lose track of integrity, trust and RESPECT for coaches, administration and THEIR own parents. Nuff said but the 1+ for this poster is SO deserved and comes from a YOUNG person who should know the climate in today's small schools... TU for reading.  :-\

While it is easy to put a lot of the blame on the kids of today...I put just as much blame, if not more, on the parents who enable it.  Frank Martin, the head men's basketball coach at South Carolina, hit on this point in one of his pressers a year or so ago.  It's worth the watch. 

Parents, instead of supporting the coach and standing behind their decision, they want to second guess, complain, moan, tell little Johnny or Jenny that the coach doesn't know what they are doing, don't listen to them, etc.  Well, if mommy and daddy are feeding their children this, what do you expect the kid to do?  Instead, they should be saying, "Look if you aren't starting, then work harder," "You skip school/practice, you aren't playing," "You disrespect your coach or teammates, you are doing extra conditioning", etc.       
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 13, 2018, 09:35:21 pm
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 13, 2018, 08:43:13 pm
I'm guessing this is directed towards me.  I do agree with you, to a point.  Carlisle will always have a higher-than-normal turnover rate in coaches/teachers/etc., because, you are right, it is a 2A school with limited resources and limited money.  Most people, especially younger people, will move on to bigger, better paying jobs.  My point was that while I understand there will be people resigning every year during this time, it did seem somewhat alarming that 10 people (including your ENTIRE football staff) all resigned in one swoop.  I mean, did any of the assistants even try to remain on or go for the head job?  If not, that is extremely concerning. 

How many people teach/work at Carlisle Schools?  50, if that?  So, if you lose 10 that is 20% of your teachers/staff, gone.  I am simply expressing concern for what I am seeing and hearing regarding the last several years.  I know you stated you had a child that recently graduated, that you felt was benefited by attending Carlisle Schools.  That is awesome and I am happy for you as well as your child.  But, it still doesn't discount some of the red flags that have gone up in the last few years.  Like I said, I hope it all gets straightened out and the Carlisle School District continues to thrive.  If we ever lose our schools, you can kiss the community/city goodbye.
My Post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. I am tired of everyone putting down our school and administration over personal issues. There will always be negative comments and opinions in every school, no matter the case. My opinion is just that... an opinion. The same as everyone else that has one. Mine just happens to be positive. Uhiren retired, Roberson went back home to Bald Knob, King was hardly ever at school and the other two "football" coaches had performance issues. Sorry... that's the truth. So,what it boils down to is, do your job. Do what you were hired to do.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: LC sports on June 13, 2018, 11:16:25 pm
Carlisle isn't going to lose it's school. It's going to be okay. I have the utmost confidence in Coach Greene, Mr. Horn, Mrs. Horn and Coach Stewart that they will keep this ship going in the right direction.

The football program will be in good shape. Does anyone remember 2006 when Coach Steward was fired and Coach Jones retired and we had only one football coach left in Coach Pogue. Carlisle hired Scott Waymire and the rest was history. Granted, Coach Waymire isn't coming back...but Coach Greene will get the Bison a good one.

I'm a proud alumnus of Carlisle High School. And I'm proud of the fact that we've got good people working there in an effort to ensure the students, not just the athletes, are getting the best possible education.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 14, 2018, 05:48:51 am
Very well said.... People that share your view are in the majority in Carlisle. With attitudes like this, we will be successful.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 14, 2018, 04:37:01 pm
It got quiet real quick in here
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 14, 2018, 06:15:13 pm
Quote from: HoopKing on June 14, 2018, 04:37:01 pm
It got quiet real quick in here

All threads run their course and this one appears to have died a natural death. It will probably fire back up when the new coach is named.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 15, 2018, 01:33:05 am
The worst part about being in a 2A school is that it is used for a stepping stone. It's a place to get experience, especially in a coaches point of view. You do find loyal coaches who stick around for a long time (Coach Buffalo, Coach Waymire, and Coach Roberson). Those are just three that I can think of off the top of my head. Waymire and Roberson stuck around, but Waymire wanted to be closer to family and I respect that. It is natural for a person to work their way up. Starting at smaller schools and making their way to bigger schools to do bigger and better things for the community. Carlisle loses several teachers every year. This year, a lot of those teachers were coaches. It is nothing that the Carlisle community isn't used to and I am 200% sure that we will bounce back from it.

In addition, it isn't just a problem in Carlisle. Little Rock School district is having to fill 30 elementary positions.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 15, 2018, 06:21:42 am
This morning's paper reports they have hired a new baseball coach from Bauxite that will assist with football.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Trojanbird on June 15, 2018, 08:01:21 am
I wonder if that hire is pending on the outcome of the state police investigation for the bus incident?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: TNT43012 on June 15, 2018, 09:46:43 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 15, 2018, 06:21:42 am
This morning's paper reports they have hired a new baseball coach from Bauxite that will assist with football.

Yes. Coach Steven Tew. Greene knows him and said he is a fantastic baseball coach.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Dayton Kitchens on June 15, 2018, 12:48:25 pm
Quote from: TNT43012 on June 15, 2018, 09:46:43 am
Yes. Coach Steven Tew. Greene knows him and said he is a fantastic baseball coach.


That's great.    Wonder if he'll use a pinch hitter on the Bison football team?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 15, 2018, 03:28:03 pm
Quote from: Trojanbird on June 15, 2018, 08:01:21 am
I wonder if that hire is pending on the outcome of the state police investigation for the bus incident?


Maybe the locals know.  Bilbo or LC Sports?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 15, 2018, 03:42:07 pm
Quote from: Trojanbird on June 15, 2018, 08:01:21 am
I wonder if that hire is pending on the outcome of the state police investigation for the bus incident?

Per guys at Bauxite, Tew was vetted extensively over this job.  There will be no issue.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 15, 2018, 06:50:47 pm
Tew and and the other Coach were all cleared of any wrong doing
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 19, 2018, 02:11:13 pm
Looks like the process is chugging along.  Anyone know who has interviewed?

Carlisle's search for a head football coach will likely continue into next week.

B.J. Greene, Carlisle's high school principal and athletic director, said Sunday he had interviewed five candidates with two more to go this week.

"I was really hoping that things would be taken care of by now, but we're not where I want to be," he said. "We're trying to figure out our best options. Realistically, I'm hoping to have it done next week, and if I can make that process move faster, probably this week."
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Arkansauce on June 19, 2018, 02:22:27 pm
I know of 2 people. I won't give any names. Coach A has tons of assistant experience with 0 hc experience and is older. Coach B has several years of hc experience and has proven himself more than capable of turning programs around in a short amount of time, he is also a younger coach. The question is which would you rather have out of those 2? If it were me, I would be banking on Coach B!!!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 19, 2018, 02:55:05 pm
Greene doing a great job keeping this quite.  He'll get Carlisle a good one.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Prairie Duster on June 19, 2018, 06:06:24 pm
Head coach will be hired tonight at special school board meeting.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 19, 2018, 07:52:40 pm
And the answer is....


http://www.lonokecountysports.com/2018/06/caleb-shock-is-new-bison-football-coach.html
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Prairie Duster on June 19, 2018, 08:13:41 pm
Caleb Shock former asst at Heber Springs.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 20, 2018, 06:57:48 am
Quote from: BISONBOOSTER on June 19, 2018, 08:13:41 pm
Caleb Shock former asst at Heber Springs.

The guy who hired him obviously gives a ringing endorsement.  Guess time will tell if he lives up to it.

I am excited to announce the addition of an incredible head football coach to our staff at CHS. This man is more than just a great football coach; he is a leader of men that always displays impeccable character and work ethic. I would like to announce the hiring of Caleb Shock as head football coach of our tradition rich Bison. Coach Shock comes from a coaching family as his father was a long time Arkansas football coach. Coach Shock was exposed to the game, the grind of building a top notch program and how to treat others at a very early age. He has undoubtedly held on to these virtues and utilizes them in his daily interactions. He is a motivator, a leader that has a never ending contagious energy. Coach Shock knows how to treat kids. He is an outstanding addition to our staff. Coach Shock first worked at Central Arkansas Christian under Tommy Shoemaker as an assistant football coach. From there he moved to Jackson Christian in Tennessee as the defensive coordinator, where they made the playoffs in every year there and culminating in the best finish in the quarterfinals. Most recently, he served as the head junior high coach at Heber Springs, where he won a conference championship. Then was moved up to the Defensive Coordinators position, where he coordinated defenses for one conference championship team, including one quarterfinal team. Coach Shock is a diligent worker that embodies what it means to be a Bison; respectful, hardworking, and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men.

BJ Greene
High School Principal/Athletic Director
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 20, 2018, 08:36:34 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 20, 2018, 06:57:48 am
The guy who hired him obviously gives a ringing endorsement.  Guess time will tell if he lives up to it.

I am excited to announce the addition of an incredible head football coach to our staff at CHS. This man is more than just a great football coach; he is a leader of men that always displays impeccable character and work ethic. I would like to announce the hiring of Caleb Shock as head football coach of our tradition rich Bison. Coach Shock comes from a coaching family as his father was a long time Arkansas football coach. Coach Shock was exposed to the game, the grind of building a top notch program and how to treat others at a very early age. He has undoubtedly held on to these virtues and utilizes them in his daily interactions. He is a motivator, a leader that has a never ending contagious energy. Coach Shock knows how to treat kids. He is an outstanding addition to our staff. Coach Shock first worked at Central Arkansas Christian under Tommy Shoemaker as an assistant football coach. From there he moved to Jackson Christian in Tennessee as the defensive coordinator, where they made the playoffs in every year there and culminating in the best finish in the quarterfinals. Most recently, he served as the head junior high coach at Heber Springs, where he won a conference championship. Then was moved up to the Defensive Coordinators position, where he coordinated defenses for one conference championship team, including one quarterfinal team. Coach Shock is a diligent worker that embodies what it means to be a Bison; respectful, hardworking, and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men.

BJ Greene
High School Principal/Athletic Director


Indeed.  Wish him all the best.  Just hope he's not too hard on the players. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 08:45:10 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 20, 2018, 08:36:34 am
Indeed.  Wish him all the best.  Just hope he's not too hard on the players.

Well, it says right here he knows how to treat kids. Veiled shot at the former coach?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 21, 2018, 09:03:45 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 08:45:10 am
Well, it says right here he knows how to treat kids. Veiled shot at the former coach?

Yea, that kind of stood out to me as well when I was reading his announcement.  I don't think Greene meant anything by that...at least I hope he didn't.  Mark has put in his time, is a member of the community and an alum of Carlisle Schools.  No need to take shots at him. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 09:35:32 am
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 19, 2018, 02:55:05 pm
Greene doing a great job keeping this quite.  He'll get Carlisle a good one.

I may have been wrong.  Sounds like more good ole boy stuff.

Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 20, 2018, 06:57:48 am
I am excited to announce the addition of an incredible head football coach to our staff at CHS. This man is more than just a great football coach; he is a leader of men that always displays impeccable character and work ethic. I would like to announce the hiring of Caleb Shock as head football coach of our tradition rich Bison. Coach Shock comes from a coaching family as his father was a long time Arkansas football coach. Coach Shock was exposed to the game, the grind of building a top notch program and how to treat others at a very early age. He has undoubtedly held on to these virtues and utilizes them in his daily interactions. He is a motivator, a leader that has a never ending contagious energy. Coach Shock knows how to treat kids. He is an outstanding addition to our staff. Coach Shock first worked at Central Arkansas Christian under Tommy Shoemaker as an assistant football coach. From there he moved to Jackson Christian in Tennessee as the defensive coordinator, where they made the playoffs in every year there and culminating in the best finish in the quarterfinals. Most recently, he served as the head junior high coach at Heber Springs, where he won a conference championship. Then was moved up to the Defensive Coordinators position, where he coordinated defenses for one conference championship team, including one quarterfinal team. Coach Shock is a diligent worker that embodies what it means to be a Bison; respectful, hardworking, and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men.

BJ Greene
High School Principal/Athletic Director


One of the strangest "introductions" I've seen.  Almost like he's trying to convince everyone of his ability, because he knows his name and career can't.  He's been exposed to the grind of building a top program?  Where??  Did that grind run him out of football and to mom's insurance agency?

Will be one to keep an eye on.  Superintendent is new and in on a 4-3 vote, football coach is an insurance salesman, entire coaching staff bounced.  I'm a bit surprised Carlisle people are taking this well.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Eagle boss on June 21, 2018, 09:57:45 am
Made no sense hiring a guy with no head coaching experience, did not coach last yr, & was not planning on coaching this yr til they called him. That shows no passion or desire to be a head coach to me. Especially taking over the tradition righ Carlisle program. Good old boy syndrome. When it's a fact there were much better qualified candidates that interviewed. Go figure.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 11:45:15 am
Quote from: Eagle boss on June 21, 2018, 09:57:45 am
Made no sense hiring a guy with no head coaching experience, did not coach last yr, & was not planning on coaching this yr til they called him. That shows no passion or desire to be a head coach to me. Especially taking over the tradition righ Carlisle program. Good old boy syndrome. When it's a fact there were much better qualified candidates that interviewed. Go figure.
He applied... not sure about "until they called him".
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 11:50:24 am
Quote from: Eagle boss on June 21, 2018, 09:57:45 am
Made no sense hiring a guy with no head coaching experience, did not coach last yr, & was not planning on coaching this yr til they called him. That shows no passion or desire to be a head coach to me. Especially taking over the tradition righ Carlisle program. Good old boy syndrome. When it's a fact there were much better qualified candidates that interviewed. Go figure.

This is the second thread you complained about a guy withouthead coaching experience getting a job. You do realize that current HCs were at one time asst. coaches that someone gave a job to right?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 12:10:59 pm
Quote from: Eagle boss on June 21, 2018, 09:57:45 am
Made no sense hiring a guy with no head coaching experience, did not coach last yr, & was not planning on coaching this yr til they called him. That shows no passion or desire to be a head coach to me. Especially taking over the tradition righ Carlisle program. Good old boy syndrome. When it's a fact there were much better qualified candidates that interviewed. Go figure.
Oh I'm sorry... I didn't know the school board and the administrators from Carlisle needed to get your permission before they hired a coach. Keep your opinions about such matters that don't involve you to yourself. You have no idea what the process was and who was the "most qualified" for the position. And I'm sure you have no idea what the situation was that he didn't coach last year... his personal life is just that... his and personal.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 12:25:35 pm
Quote from: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 11:45:15 am
He applied... not sure about "until they called him".

Shock said he had full intentions of taking over the family business and staying in it until he got a phone call about the Carlisle job.
"I answered it and listed to it and it materialized into this," Shock said of an offer to come to Carlisle.

That is straight from the article posted above.

Quote from: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 12:10:59 pm
Oh I'm sorry... I didn't know the school board and the administrators from Carlisle needed to get your permission before they hired a coach. Keep your opinions about such matters that don't involve you to yourself. You have no idea what the process was and who was the "most qualified" for the position. And I'm sure you have no idea what the situation was that he didn't coach last year... his personal life is just that... his and personal.

Then a message board probably is not the best place for you.

Given your perceived knowledge of the situation, please inform us all what made this guy the "most qualified" for the job outside of having worked with the principal at Heber Springs? 

Quote from: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 11:50:24 am
This is the second thread you complained about a guy withouthead coaching experience getting a job. You do realize that current HCs were at one time asst. coaches that someone gave a job to right?

I do agree with this, btw.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 12:31:40 pm
Quote from: HoopKing on June 14, 2018, 04:37:01 pm
It got quiet real quick in here

Not so quiet in here now.  :)
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 12:33:20 pm
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 09:35:32 am
I may have been wrong.  Sounds like more good ole boy stuff.

One of the strangest "introductions" I've seen.  Almost like he's trying to convince everyone of his ability, because he knows his name and career can't.  He's been exposed to the grind of building a top program?  Where??  Did that grind run him out of football and to mom's insurance agency?

Will be one to keep an eye on.  Superintendent is new and in on a 4-3 vote, football coach is an insurance salesman, entire coaching staff bounced.  I'm a bit surprised Carlisle people are taking this well.

Agree.  Seems like he's trying hard to justify the hire.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 21, 2018, 01:28:09 pm
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 09:35:32 am
I may have been wrong.  Sounds like more good ole boy stuff.

One of the strangest "introductions" I've seen.  Almost like he's trying to convince everyone of his ability, because he knows his name and career can't.  He's been exposed to the grind of building a top program?  Where??  Did that grind run him out of football and to mom's insurance agency?

Will be one to keep an eye on.  Superintendent is new and in on a 4-3 vote, football coach is an insurance salesman, entire coaching staff bounced.  I'm a bit surprised Carlisle people are taking this well.

My thoughts exactly.  I totally agree with your last paragraph and have already expressed my concerns regarding the administration and the direction of the school system.  But, according to some on here, there is no need for any concern. 

I did think, like you, that his introduction of the new coach was quite extensive and a little bit odd.  I understand talking your hire up, but this seems a little strange, IMO. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 03:46:21 pm
My point is... people on here are running their mouth about people (who have families) you don't know. He and his family owe you no explanation. I suppose you would be ok with someone stating you were not the most qualified for your job and put it out in a message board for the world to see. What it boils down to is... they are teachers first, coaches second. If everyone threw as big of a fit about the hiring of a math or history teacher, we would be in a much better place. It's football... it's a game. Treat these people as you wish to be treated. Show support or shut up...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 04:24:08 pm
I wish I knew who the negative nay-sayers are on this post because it's easy to hide behind a screen name.  By the way I am Robert Fortner Jr.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 04:29:51 pm
Quote from: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 03:46:21 pm
My point is... people on here are running their mouth about people (who have families) you don't know. He and his family owe you no explanation. I suppose you would be ok with someone stating you were not the most qualified for your job and put it out in a message board for the world to see. What it boils down to is... they are teachers first, coaches second. If everyone threw as big of a fit about the hiring of a math or history teacher, we would be in a much better place. It's football... it's a game. Treat these people as you wish to be treated. Show support or shut up...

LOL
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 04:35:58 pm
I believe that Clayton was hired as an assistant at Carlisle and became one heck of a head coach at same school.  Waymire was an assistant at Vilonia and was hired as the HC at Carlisle and did a pretty good job himself.  So now it's Shock's turn to do the same.  If somebody has a problem with the admin go to school and get your masters and apply for the job. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 04:45:38 pm
Quote from: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 03:46:21 pm
My point is... people on here are running their mouth about people (who have families) you don't know. He and his family owe you no explanation. I suppose you would be ok with someone stating you were not the most qualified for your job and put it out in a message board for the world to see. What it boils down to is... they are teachers first, coaches second. If everyone threw as big of a fit about the hiring of a math or history teacher, we would be in a much better place. It's football... it's a game. Treat these people as you wish to be treated. Show support or shut up...

Don't disagree with your point at all but unfortunately, athletics are often the front porch of a school and coaches the most familiar faces associated with that school.  Was an article like the one attached above published the last time an English teacher was hired? Did the principal release similar glowing comments about any other newly hired teacher?  I'm guessing not.  Right, wrong or indifferent, coaches are more open to scrutiny than a classroom teacher. After all, this site is called Fearless Friday, not Mathematics Monday  :).  Regardless, here's hoping everyone involved is successful this fall and beyond.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 05:08:18 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 04:35:58 pm
I believe that Clayton was hired as an assistant at Carlisle and became one heck of a head coach at same school.  Waymire was an assistant at Vilonia and was hired as the HC at Carlisle and did a pretty good job himself.  So now it's Shock's turn to do the same.  If somebody has a problem with the admin go to school and get your masters and apply for the job.

The question is not about hiring an assistant.  Schools do that all the time.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:13:28 pm
Then what's the question?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 05:23:34 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:13:28 pm
Then what's the question?

How does a guy out of coaching wind up as head coach at a school, Carlisle, that claims football is important?  How was his resume better than, say, Roberson?  How was his resume better than any other candidate?  He was out of coaching all together.  Carlisle reached out to him.  Other than good ole boy stuff, which hasn't served Carlisle well lately, why?

They had assistants, coordinators, from good programs apply.  There is no shame in hiring an assistant.  It seems questionable to hire a guy who himself said he was cool staying out of the game.

They went good ole boy last time bringing in Uhiren, out of coaching after he'd be reassigned at Marion.  Passed on some really good football coaches who were in the mix that year, too.

Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:23:35 pm
How is this good ole boy stuff?
BisonFan1 who are you?
How many people on this post are actually from Carlisle?
Roll Call: Me, Bildo....who else?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: arkansasprepfootball on June 21, 2018, 05:32:22 pm
Who you know is often times more important than what you know.  That goes for many professions.  Let this guy do his job.  If he can't, it'll show.  He he can, it'll show.  Goes for every hire made.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:43:36 pm
I'm pretty close to the school and program and Coach Green kept the names that he had on his list close to vest.  So how do people know about others.  I don't know if Coach Rob was offered, but I do know that he was torn between Carlisle and Bald Knob his Alma Mater (I wish that he was still here).  In regards to the good ole boy statement, how is it a good ole boy hire when all of these coaches are in a fraternity of their own.  Coaches know who can coach and who can't, and I'm not saying that the ones that Green interviewed can't coach.  I trust Green in the hire that he made.  GO BISON!   
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 21, 2018, 06:12:00 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:43:36 pm
I'm pretty close to the school and program and Coach Green kept the names that he had on his list close to vest.  So how do people know about others.  I don't know if Coach Rob was offered, but I do know that he was torn between Carlisle and Bald Knob his Alma Mater (I wish that he was still here).  In regards to the good ole boy statement, how is it a good ole boy hire when all of these coaches are in a fraternity of their own. Coaches know who can coach and who can't, and I'm not saying that the ones that Green interviewed can't coach.  I trust Green in the hire that he made.  GO BISON!

You answered your own question.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 21, 2018, 06:38:20 pm
Quote from: arkansasFBscoop on June 21, 2018, 05:23:34 pm
How does a guy out of coaching wind up as head coach at a school, Carlisle, that claims football is important?  How was his resume better than, say, Roberson?  How was his resume better than any other candidate?  He was out of coaching all together.  Carlisle reached out to him.  Other than good ole boy stuff, which hasn't served Carlisle well lately, why?

They had assistants, coordinators, from good programs apply.  There is no shame in hiring an assistant.  It seems questionable to hire a guy who himself said he was cool staying out of the game.

They went good ole boy last time bringing in Uhiren, out of coaching after he'd be reassigned at Marion.  Passed on some really good football coaches who were in the mix that year, too.

The majority of Carlisle fans that I talked to were glad to have Mark back.  He had years of coaching experience, at multiple levels of high school football, who was from Carlisle, played at Carlisle and has family in Carlisle.  You can call it the "good old boy system" but I think most people would expect someone like him to have a legitimate shot at his alma mater.

The only other name that I heard that matched his credentials/experience was Bolding, who had just been canned at NLR for all sorts of shady stuff.  I, personally, didn't want someone like him at Carlisle, especially after we got caught playing an ineligible player in 2015. 

As someone said earlier, Greene played this hire close to the vest, so I don't know who all applied or was genuinely interested in the job.  I, too, would have liked to have seen what Coach Roberson could have done, but that is a mute point now.  I wish the best for the new coach and hope he has success.  Will he?  I guess we'll see in a few years. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 06:46:26 pm
BisonFan1 you still haven't given your name. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 07:01:21 pm
I agree that this is a football forum. I also agree that this is a great place to debate things such as teams, coaches, etc. BUT... there is a line that should not be crossed. No person deserves to be ridiculed for a decision that they made in their career path. So what someone didn't coach last year?! What difference does that make?! Someone's opinion about another person's qualifications has no validity other than to stir the pot. Many were happy that Uhiren came back to coach... he hadn't coached in a few years. Does that make him a bad coach?! No. The man won a state championship for goodness sakes. An attack on someone's character or qualifications is a cowardly move. Have a debate that is respectful and you will get no grief from me. Just remember that that shoe may be on the other foot someday.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 07:21:10 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 06:46:26 pm
BisonFan1 you still haven't given your name.

And why should he?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 07:28:24 pm
Why shouldn't he or she?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 08:19:04 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 07:28:24 pm
Why shouldn't he or she?

Because it's a message board. You're not having a convo at the local eatery
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 08:23:57 pm
What's your real name?  Don't hide behind a screen name.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 21, 2018, 08:44:26 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 08:23:57 pm
What's your real name?  Don't hide behind a screen name.

I wish there was a gif feature of this site. You don't get it
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 09:08:07 pm
Yes I get it.  People get on here and say what they want, behind a screen name, without any accountability.  Man up!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 09:21:40 pm
Purpleswag... why? Why do you think you're "entitled" to anything? What this basically boils down to is, you not getting your way, so you throw a fit. No one owes you, or anyone else for that matter, an explanation for any hire for any position at any school. Just move on and troll someone else's board.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on June 21, 2018, 10:03:43 pm
I personally think this a good hire. I also think that Rob would've been good. But he got the opportunity to go to his Alma Mater as an assistant and possibly take the HC spot in a few years. But after meeting with Coach Shock Tuesday night, he is excited and ready for the challenge.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: LC sports on June 21, 2018, 11:20:33 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 05:23:35 pm
How is this good ole boy stuff?
BisonFan1 who are you?
How many people on this post are actually from Carlisle?
Roll Call: Me, Bildo....who else?

LC Sports....that should be self explanatory! CHS Class of 1990.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 22, 2018, 06:53:37 am
Quote from: Bildo on June 21, 2018, 09:21:40 pm
Purpleswag... why? Why do you think you're "entitled" to anything? What this basically boils down to is, you not getting your way, so you throw a fit. No one owes you, or anyone else for that matter, an explanation for any hire for any position at any school. Just move on and troll someone else's board.

You and rob are crazy. Like for real mentally disturbed. Go back and read my posts And show me where I "trolled" anywhere. In fact, I actually defended the hire. You two are the equvailant of some morons who can't hold their liquor at the Saturday night social and want to pick a fight with everyone. Man up cowboy!!! lol
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Rabhog on June 22, 2018, 08:14:01 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on June 21, 2018, 09:03:45 am
Yea, that kind of stood out to me as well when I was reading his announcement.  I don't think Greene meant anything by that...at least I hope he didn't.  Mark has put in his time, is a member of the community and an alum of Carlisle Schools.  No need to take shots at him. 
Let me tell you about Mark he is a number one man period. He sure knows how to treat players just look at what he did in Lonoke had good teams and he took boys and turned them into men.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 08:35:25 am
Hiding behind a screen.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 22, 2018, 08:44:28 am
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 08:35:25 am
Hiding behind a screen.

Lol
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 09:03:24 am
I never one time said anything negative toward you (purpleswag).  Just asked you what your real name is.  Maybe your saying these things tongue and cheek, but if your not you can't offend me or bildo.  Real easy to hide behind a screen.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 09:09:06 am
I've got a question, who on here has bashed Coach U?  I've looked all thru the post and no one has said anything negative about him.  So why is he being defended by some posters?  Am I reading into this wrong?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 22, 2018, 09:53:43 am
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 09:09:06 am
I've got a question, who on here has bashed Coach U?  I've looked all thru the post and no one has said anything negative about him.  So why is he being defended by some posters?  Am I reading into this wrong?

Yes.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 22, 2018, 11:06:33 am
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 09:03:24 am
I never one time said anything negative toward you (purpleswag).  Just asked you what your real name is.  Maybe your saying these things tongue and cheek, but if your not you can't offend me or bildo.  Real easy to hide behind a screen.

Lol
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 22, 2018, 11:16:15 am
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 09:09:06 am
I've got a question, who on here has bashed Coach U?  I've looked all thru the post and no one has said anything negative about him.  So why is he being defended by some posters?  Am I reading into this wrong?

I don't think anyone in here "bashed" him.  There were a few people, early in the thread, that critiqued his style of coaching; how it wouldn't work anymore, as well as how hard he is on his players.  Myself and several other posters responded with our thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: LC sports on June 22, 2018, 11:34:03 pm
Ok. Since I was in HS when the first Coach Shock was coach, here is some info. Coach Steve Shock hired a girls basketball coach/defensive coordinator his only year. That coach had been out of teaching and selling cars....that coach would go on to be the most successful coach in school history in James Clayton. So the new Coach Shock not coaching the last year.... I'm not holding any stock into that!

Go Bison!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Idoknow on June 23, 2018, 10:45:31 am
Coach Clayton left Jack Roby Jr. High in PB to move back to his home town Jonesboro to go into Real estate after turning down a position as defensive coordinator under Coach Glover. If he had stayed he would have been part of four State Champioships for the Zebras.
Coach Clayton had lots of experience when he came to Carlisle having numerous undefeated Jr. High Championship teams in both Fb and BB and having worked under some of the best Coaches in the State on the Sr High level.
It would be unfair to compare what Coach Clayton had accomplished to that of Coach Shock! If Coach Shock is anything like his Dad and Mom it's going to be a culture shock getting use to the environment coming from where he is living today.That was the problem his dad and mom had. I think that played a big role in them leaving after one yr. and the rest is history!
Good luck to Coach Shock and hope he has many good yrs. at Carlisle.

This is reference to LC sports post!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Vtown04 on June 23, 2018, 09:29:43 pm
Bringing my Mom into a Fearless Friday Post... Idoknow is right in saying Coach Clayton had plenty of very successful experience prior to getting out of coaching for a short period of time.  Have enjoyed following this thread and am excited to work for a community that has passionate fans willing to talk about it.  Hopefully we will give everyone plenty of good things to talk about in the future. Go Bison!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Vtown04 on June 23, 2018, 09:39:26 pm
Also, if any of you guys out there are Bison alum I am trying to compile an address list to send out a letter to as many former players as I possibly can.  Feel free to PM me your name and address so I can get one to you or email me at cshock@carlisle.k12.ar.us.  Hope to see you around this summer/fall.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 24, 2018, 02:31:48 pm
Quote from: Vtown04 on June 23, 2018, 09:29:43 pm
Bringing my Mom into a Fearless Friday Post... Idoknow is right in saying Coach Clayton had plenty of very successful experience prior to getting out of coaching for a short period of time.  Have enjoyed following this thread and am excited to work for a community that has passionate fans willing to talk about it.  Hopefully we will give everyone plenty of good things to talk about in the future. Go Bison!

N/M
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on June 24, 2018, 02:39:03 pm
Why is that even relevant?! If he says no... then it could be considered a knock against the previous "administration". If he answers yes, then it could be considered "good ole boy" hiring. It's a lose-lose answer.

He is now the coach at Carlisle... let's welcome him and move forward.

Glad to have you coach.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 24, 2018, 03:45:33 pm
Quote from: Bildo on June 24, 2018, 02:39:03 pm
Why is that even relevant?! If he says no... then it could be considered a knock against the previous "administration". If he answers yes, then it could be considered "good ole boy" hiring. It's a lose-lose answer.

He is now the coach at Carlisle... let's welcome him and move forward.

Glad to have you coach.

Deleted just to make you happy.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: tigerblood on June 24, 2018, 05:37:29 pm
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 21, 2018, 08:23:57 pm
What's your real name?  Don't hide behind a screen name.

Dude stop. Just because you want to give out your name doesn't mean anyone else has too. Get over it.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HoopKing on June 25, 2018, 03:25:02 pm
Have they hired any assistants?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 27, 2018, 11:32:43 am
Quote from: HoopKing on June 25, 2018, 03:25:02 pm
Have they hired any assistants?

Looks like you'll have your answer by July 9th. 

Noted the comment about running "our offense".  Does that mean the Diamond T remains?


In a press release announcing the hiring last week, Greene said: "Coach Shock is a diligent worker (who) embodies what it means to be a Bison — respectful, hard-working and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men."

The pair has been interviewing candidates for two assistant positions to join Steve Tew, who was hired a few weeks ago.

"Caleb brings a lot of energy to the program, and he's a really good Xs-and-Os coach," Greene said. "He's tough and he's going to make the kids work, but he will also love them up.

"He's more defensive-oriented, but he's going to run our offense, and we're trying to hire a defensive coordinator. We're also going to hire someone for the offensive line and defensive line. We've started that process."

Greene said they hoped to have the personnel decisions made before the end of the Arkansas Activities Association's mandated two-week dead period next week. The staff will be introduced to the public July 9 at 7 p.m. in the Civic Center.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 12:45:17 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 27, 2018, 11:32:43 am
Looks like you'll have your answer by July 9th. 

Noted the comment about running "our offense".  Does that mean the Diamond T remains?


In a press release announcing the hiring last week, Greene said: "Coach Shock is a diligent worker (who) embodies what it means to be a Bison — respectful, hard-working and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men."

The pair has been interviewing candidates for two assistant positions to join Steve Tew, who was hired a few weeks ago.

"Caleb brings a lot of energy to the program, and he's a really good Xs-and-Os coach," Greene said. "He's tough and he's going to make the kids work, but he will also love them up.

"He's more defensive-oriented, but he's going to run our offense, and we're trying to hire a defensive coordinator. We're also going to hire someone for the offensive line and defensive line. We've started that process."

Greene said they hoped to have the personnel decisions made before the end of the Arkansas Activities Association's mandated two-week dead period next week. The staff will be introduced to the public July 9 at 7 p.m. in the Civic Center.


No. He is going to be the OC is how i'm taking it
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 27, 2018, 03:47:25 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 12:45:17 pm
No. He is going to be the OC is how i'm taking it

Thanks.  Any idea what type offense he runs?  Could be a Nutt to Petrino type transition.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 27, 2018, 03:47:25 pm
Thanks.  Any idea what type offense he runs?  Could be a Nutt to Petrino type transition.

I have no clue. Probably spread. I will say that I thought I would never see the day when Carlisle wasn't a power football team. Take your hats off boys it's a sad day
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 28, 2018, 12:57:11 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
I have no clue. Probably spread. I will say that I thought I would never see the day when Carlisle wasn't a power football team. Take your hats off boys it's a sad day

They've dabbled with it once or twice and it never worked. To my knowledge, Carlisle has only been successful running power football.  We'll see...since, according to some, power football doesn't "work" in today's game, all should be well now. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: old.dole on June 28, 2018, 01:34:17 pm
If your struggling with numbers you got to run what's fun for the kids. It's all about the individual now days and everyone thinks they should be getting touches.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on June 28, 2018, 02:01:35 pm
Quote from: old.dole on June 28, 2018, 01:34:17 pm
If your struggling with numbers you got to run what's fun for the kids. It's all about the individual now days and everyone thinks they should be getting touches.

Sad, but true.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: gameoflife on June 28, 2018, 09:33:03 pm
Only thing that gets numbers out and keeps them is winning.  Doesn't matter what you run if you win you get kids if you loose they quit in short time.  It's that I, me mentality that the world is coming to.  I want satisfaction now or I quit. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: HorseFeathers on June 29, 2018, 04:38:40 am
It's the way parents are.....and leads to their kids expecting the same...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: beach bum on June 29, 2018, 04:47:43 am
Quote from: razorbackrob on June 22, 2018, 08:35:25 am
Hiding behind a screen.

You don't get this site do you?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 29, 2018, 06:31:23 am
Quote from: beach bum on June 29, 2018, 04:47:43 am
You don't get this site do you?

No he does not
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on June 29, 2018, 07:32:14 am
Quote from: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
I have no clue. Probably spread. I will say that I thought I would never see the day when Carlisle wasn't a power football team. Take your hats off boys it's a sad day

Sounds like "our offense" means whatever they ran at Heber.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: purpleswag on June 29, 2018, 11:14:14 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 29, 2018, 07:32:14 am
Sounds like "our offense" means whatever they ran at Heber.

Maybe. I'm assuming and you know what they say about assuming
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: beach bum on June 29, 2018, 01:11:26 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on June 29, 2018, 06:31:23 am
No he does not


I have always said if you are a coach or the family members of a coach..... Or even good friends with a coach for that matter then maybe this site is not for them if they can't handle a little criticism about a coach. I have always said the kids should be off limits from personal attacks on this site no matter how bad something may be as they are just kids, but the adults whether it be coaches or fan bases should be able to deal with the criticism as they are adults.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: beach bum on June 29, 2018, 01:12:31 pm
Quote from: purpleswag on June 27, 2018, 03:52:57 pm
I have no clue. Probably spread. I will say that I thought I would never see the day when Carlisle wasn't a power football team. Take your hats off boys it's a sad day


I got to see Carlise a couple times in their glory days with that power run game. That was a treat for sure.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: gameoflife on June 29, 2018, 05:08:04 pm
Quote from: beach bum on June 29, 2018, 01:11:26 pm

I have always said if you are a coach or the family members of a coach..... Or even good friends with a coach for that matter then maybe this site is not for them if they can't handle a little criticism about a coach. I have always said the kids should be off limits from personal attacks on this site no matter how bad something may be as they are just kids, but the adults whether it be coaches or fan bases should be able to deal with the criticism as they are adults.

I'd say all of those involved in the game deserve some thoughtful consideration before  posting, however I also think truth is pretty much open.  With some class. Everyone has a bad moment.

Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Lions84 on June 29, 2018, 06:57:05 pm
Congratulations to the Bison on their new hire!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on July 09, 2018, 07:56:33 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on June 27, 2018, 11:32:43 am
Looks like you'll have your answer by July 9th. 

Noted the comment about running "our offense".  Does that mean the Diamond T remains?


In a press release announcing the hiring last week, Greene said: "Coach Shock is a diligent worker (who) embodies what it means to be a Bison — respectful, hard-working and tenacious. I am extremely excited for Coach Shock to arrive and begin working with our young men."

The pair has been interviewing candidates for two assistant positions to join Steve Tew, who was hired a few weeks ago.

"Caleb brings a lot of energy to the program, and he's a really good Xs-and-Os coach," Greene said. "He's tough and he's going to make the kids work, but he will also love them up.

"He's more defensive-oriented, but he's going to run our offense, and we're trying to hire a defensive coordinator. We're also going to hire someone for the offensive line and defensive line. We've started that process."

Greene said they hoped to have the personnel decisions made before the end of the Arkansas Activities Association's mandated two-week dead period next week. The staff will be introduced to the public July 9 at 7 p.m. in the Civic Center.


Who did they hire to round out the staff?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on July 10, 2018, 07:55:26 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on July 09, 2018, 07:56:33 pm
Who did they hire to round out the staff?

According to Lonoke Co. Sports Report, they have hired two more assistants:  Wes Rowland as DC and Courtney Mallett as OL/DL coach.  Rowland had a previous stint at Carlisle under Coach Waymire. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Ventman on July 11, 2018, 09:29:53 pm
Glad to see coach Roland back. Great coach and a better man.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 06, 2018, 11:24:50 am
How many on the squad?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on August 06, 2018, 11:58:56 am
25 I think but I think they were missing a couple friday
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: i40traveler on August 06, 2018, 12:09:05 pm
Carlisle had been selected for a 103.7 SuperSonic Game this year!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 06, 2018, 01:45:07 pm
Quote from: Big Dave on August 06, 2018, 11:58:56 am
25 I think but I think they were missing a couple friday

Thanks.  I recall they struggled with depth after some injuries last year.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on August 06, 2018, 08:13:36 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 06, 2018, 01:45:07 pm
Thanks.  I recall they struggled with depth after some injuries last year.

The coach was quoted in last week's paper as saying they had right at 30.  From what I've heard, it sounds like they are hovering in the mid 20s, which is a few more than what they had last year.     
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on August 06, 2018, 09:43:54 pm
We have 2 that are in Basic for the National Guard right now. One will be back in a week and the other in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on August 15, 2018, 10:31:19 pm
I've heard 2 different #s. I heard 26 and I've heard 31. Both are up from last year, so that's a start!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Vtown04 on August 15, 2018, 10:44:41 pm
Currently sitting at 28 (this includes one young man who will be back from basic training next week).
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Mike Bonds on August 16, 2018, 08:36:33 am
Hope Carlisle is able to get things turned in the right direction.  It's a program with some tradition.  When you think of other places that have struggled to even field a team, like McCrory, who can return to winning, there's no reason Carlisle can't do the same.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on August 16, 2018, 09:31:26 am
Anxious to see how the Bison look in their new offence.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Da Truff on August 16, 2018, 10:18:23 am
Quote from: big E on August 16, 2018, 09:31:26 am
Anxious to see how the Bison look in their new offence.

Did Carlisle get the spread bug too?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 16, 2018, 12:18:58 pm
Quote from: Da Truff on August 16, 2018, 10:18:23 am
Did Carlisle get the spread bug too?

Unless they found some athletes/speed they didn't have last year, they need to run an offense that will grind clock and shorten the game.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: bigworm on August 16, 2018, 12:37:04 pm
I agree. Not as fat as them needing speed but as far as the tradition of carlisle football. 50 years ago 3 yards and a cloud of dust and im sure 50 years from now it will be the same. Works well for them.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on August 16, 2018, 02:39:00 pm
Seems everyone is catching the spread bug these days.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on August 16, 2018, 08:39:03 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 16, 2018, 12:18:58 pm
Unless they found some athletes/speed they didn't have last year, they need to run an offense that will grind clock and shorten the game.

I am skeptical, to say the least.  Carlisle, to my knowledge, has never been successful running the spread and chucking the ball all over the field.  Like you said, you got to have the personnel/athletes/speed to make it work and those are things that Carlisle didn't have last year.  Guess we will see...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 08:56:04 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on August 16, 2018, 08:39:03 pm
I am skeptical, to say the least.  Carlisle, to my knowledge, has never been successful running the spread and chucking the ball all over the field.  Like you said, you got to have the personnel/athletes/speed to make it work and those are things that Carlisle didn't have last year.  Guess we will see...

Was the Bald Knob scrimmage last night and if so, how'd it go?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on August 22, 2018, 09:12:35 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 08:56:04 am
Was the Bald Knob scrimmage last night and if so, how'd it go?

saw where it was 14-7, bald knob winning
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Rida4Life on August 22, 2018, 10:00:14 am
Quote from: big E on August 16, 2018, 02:39:00 pm
Seems everyone is catching the spread bug these days.
Evolution of football my man.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 12:15:22 pm
Quote from: Rida4Life on August 22, 2018, 10:00:14 am
Evolution of football my man.

The Des Arc  Eagles Cavemen ran for 500 yards last night and won handily.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 12:27:49 pm
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on August 22, 2018, 09:12:35 am
saw where it was 14-7, bald knob winning

Thanks.  Will be interesting to see if they can hang with Lonoke.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on August 22, 2018, 01:19:36 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 12:15:22 pm
The Des Arc  Eagles Cavemen ran for 500 yards last night and won handily.

now that's funny!!!!! if we had not attempted to do that forward pass thingy, it would have been better.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on August 22, 2018, 07:19:01 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 12:15:22 pm
The Des Arc  Eagles Cavemen ran for 500 yards last night and won handily.

Impressive.  Just goes to show that you don't have to get in the gun and sling it all over the yard to be successful.  It's worked for many, many years past and will continue to work in the years to come. 

As far as the scrimmage, does anyone (who was there) care to share how things went, aside from just the score?  Pros/Cons?  Standout players?  Injuries?     
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Trojanbird on August 22, 2018, 11:46:11 pm
Quote from: BisonFan1 on August 22, 2018, 07:19:01 pm
Impressive.  Just goes to show that you don't have to get in the gun and sling it all over the yard to be successful.  It's worked for many, many years past and will continue to work in the years to come. 

As far as the scrimmage, does anyone (who was there) care to share how things went, aside from just the score?  Pros/Cons?  Standout players?  Injuries?   
I will share that Carlisle sucks!  Yet another long year. I
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on August 23, 2018, 10:16:48 am
Quote from: Trojanbird on August 22, 2018, 11:46:11 pm
I will share that Carlisle sucks!  Yet another long year. I

Any particulars as to why you think that way?  Did you attend the scrimmage?  Not trying to be a smart arse just genuinely wanting to hear how we performed. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 23, 2018, 10:31:22 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on August 23, 2018, 10:16:48 am
Any particulars as to why you think that way?  Did you attend the scrimmage?  Not trying to be a smart arse just genuinely wanting to hear how we performed.

I'm curious as to how they performed.  We need to hear from some of the Carlisle locals/parents that post on here.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on August 23, 2018, 12:44:40 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 23, 2018, 10:31:22 am
I'm curious as to how they performed.  We need to hear from some of the Carlisle locals/parents that post on here.

It has been somewhat quiet.  I figured with a whole new coaching staff, a new offensive system, etc., everyone would be excited and posting updates. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on August 23, 2018, 10:31:20 pm
Defense looked a little better. The poor tackling from the past has gotten some better. I feel certain that Rowland will get that side lined out. The offense looked sluggish at times. Bubba only had 1 week of practice with Moody, who took most the reps through the summer at QB, out with an injury. Harper seems to have woken up and turned up another gear in his running. He had some good runs. It will take them a little bit to get the new offense in gear. It will be a growing year but I dont expect them to be as bad as some people are saying.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 09:33:12 am
Quote from: Big Dave on August 23, 2018, 10:31:20 pm
Defense looked a little better. The poor tackling from the past has gotten some better. I feel certain that Rowland will get that side lined out. The offense looked sluggish at times. Bubba only had 1 week of practice with Moody, who took most the reps through the summer at QB, out with an injury. Harper seems to have woken up and turned up another gear in his running. He had some good runs. It will take them a little bit to get the new offense in gear. It will be a growing year but I dont expect them to be as bad as some people are saying.

Thanks.  I knew they opened with Lonoke but just looked at the full schedule.  Probably a 3-7/4-6 kind of year.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Rida4Life on August 24, 2018, 10:06:01 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 22, 2018, 12:15:22 pm
The Des Arc  Eagles Cavemen ran for 500 yards last night and won handily.

Didn't say you couldn't still win with old school football, just that the game is changing.  Fans want to be entertained.  3 yds and a cloud of dust doesn't sell tickets most places anymore. 
I still believe that any good team has to be able to run the ball when it counts.  But how you run it has changed over the years.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 02:48:10 pm
Quote from: Rida4Life on August 24, 2018, 10:06:01 am
Didn't say you couldn't still win with old school football, just that the game is changing.  Fans want to be entertained.  3 yds and a cloud of dust doesn't sell tickets most places anymore. 
I still believe that any good team has to be able to run the ball when it counts.  But how you run it has changed over the years.

Just imagine this conversation.

Coach: "Whoa, what?  I'm fired??!!  Dude, we won the conference and a couple of playoff games.  WTH"?

Principal/AD:  "Yep, had a great year.  Problem is your offense didn't entertain the fans so go clean out your locker and have your keys on my desk by close of business today".
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on August 24, 2018, 03:55:20 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 02:48:10 pm
Just imagine this conversation.

Coach: "Whoa, what?  I'm fired??!!  Dude, we won the conference and a couple of playoff games.  WTH"?

Principal/AD:  "Yep, had a great year.  Problem is your offense didn't entertain the fans so go clean out your locker and have your keys on my desk by close of business today".

Winning games puts butts in the bleachers, not the offence you run.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on August 24, 2018, 04:46:53 pm
Very true statement.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 05:29:46 pm
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on August 24, 2018, 03:55:20 pm
Winning games puts butts in the bleachers, not the offence you run.

Exactly my point.  Guess the sarcasm didn't make it to Des Arc.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on August 24, 2018, 05:57:25 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 05:29:46 pm
Exactly my point.  Guess the sarcasm didn't make it to Des Arc.


i quoted the wrong comment, meant to do the same one you quoted.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: gameoflife on August 30, 2018, 08:55:23 pm
Nobody cares what offense you run if you win a lot of games but it seems just about every new hire that comes along the fans, the administrator doing the hiring all start talking spread game.  Same reasons always stated, we need to put butts in the seats, then they dont win because they don't have the necessary ingredients and they start looking for another new coach in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on August 31, 2018, 06:54:08 am
Quote from: gameoflife on August 30, 2018, 08:55:23 pm
Nobody cares what offense you run if you win a lot of games but it seems just about every new hire that comes along the fans, the administrator doing the hiring all start talking spread game.  Same reasons always stated, we need to put butts in the seats, then they dont win because they don't have the necessary ingredients and they start looking for another new coach in a couple of years.

That seems like a a very accurate assumption.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on August 31, 2018, 07:55:30 am
Quote from: pick_DA_EAGLES on August 24, 2018, 03:55:20 pm
Winning games puts butts in the bleachers, not the offence you run.
most definitely, Most fans will come and watch their team no matter the offence  their running when they are winning and lots of fans will come win or lose
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 08:04:56 am
Saw a season preview for both Lonoke and Carlisle and noted Lonoke will start twelve seniors while Carlisle only has six seniors on the squad. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on August 31, 2018, 08:09:51 am
The disparity in numbers is in direct correlation to 4A vs 2A. Lonoke just has more kids to choose from.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 08:23:47 am
Quote from: Bildo on August 31, 2018, 08:09:51 am
The disparity in numbers is in direct correlation to 4A vs 2A. Lonoke just has more kids to choose from.

Thanks, Captain Obvious, and that's the point.  With that big a disparity, Carlisle will be swimming upstream all night. I saw the game last year and it was a glorified scrimmage for Lonoke while Carlisle got some guys hurt. Other than a big gate, I don't see where either team benefits from playing this game. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Lions84 on August 31, 2018, 08:39:02 am
Best of luck to the Scourge of the Grand Prairie.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on August 31, 2018, 01:04:17 pm
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 08:23:47 am
Thanks, Captain Obvious, and that's the point.  With that big a disparity, Carlisle will be swimming upstream all night. I saw the game last year and it was a glorified scrimmage for Lonoke while Carlisle got some guys hurt. Other than a big gate, I don't see where either team benefits from playing this game.
Sounds like someone got upset a wittle bit.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on August 31, 2018, 01:14:07 pm
I'll be sure to pass along to the fans, players, faculty and administration of each school that the game shouldn't be played because you said so. I'm sure your opinion carries a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 09:51:11 pm
Quote from: Bildo on August 31, 2018, 01:14:07 pm
I'll be sure to pass along to the fans, players, faculty and administration of each school that the game shouldn't be played because you said so. I'm sure your opinion carries a lot of weight.

37-0 final with the mercy rule/running clock in effect early in the 3rd makes it a combined 79-6 over the past two years.  That kinda makes my point that neither team gains anything from games like this.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Old Scrapper on August 31, 2018, 09:53:11 pm
Carlisle is in down cycle right now but a few years back this would be a game for sure! It will come back around.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on September 01, 2018, 07:53:51 am
Quote from: Old Scrapper on August 31, 2018, 09:53:11 pm
Carlisle is in down cycle right now but a few years back this would be a game for sure! It will come back around.

Hope you're right but I hear enrollment has been declining.  They may not have the numbers to be what they once were.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on September 01, 2018, 09:18:14 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 09:51:11 pm
37-0 final with the mercy rule/running clock in effect early in the 3rd makes it a combined 79-6 over the past two years.  That kinda makes my point that neither team gains anything from games like this.

While I didn't think we would win, I thought it would be a lot closer than 37-0.  To be honest, it could have been much worse than that and, in my opinion, that Lonoke team wasn't nearly as talented as the one they had last year.  Carlisle, I bet, didn't have 50 yards of total offense.  They couldn't do anything.  Lonoke, on the other hand, was knocking off 10 plus yards a pop.  But, hey, at least we are throwing the ball now, so all is well.   

Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Bildo on September 01, 2018, 11:26:02 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 31, 2018, 09:51:11 pm
37-0 final with the mercy rule/running clock in effect early in the 3rd makes it a combined 79-6 over the past two years.  That kinda makes my point that neither team gains anything from games like this.
So why not go back 3 years. Oh I know... it doesn't align with what you're saying.  Carlisle had Lonoke beat for 3 quarters and should've won... ended up losing by 13. Did you ever play anything? Better yet... were you good enough to compete? Using your mindset, Arkansas should not play Alabama (or just about anyone in the SEC right now) Don't even try or suit up... You get better by playing better competition. You don't go into a game saying "I don't have a chance". Ask any one of the kids that played the game last night and I'll promise you they're better because of it.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on September 02, 2018, 12:53:07 pm
Quote from: BisonFan1 on September 01, 2018, 09:18:14 am
While I didn't think we would win, I thought it would be a lot closer than 37-0.  To be honest, it could have been much worse than that and, in my opinion, that Lonoke team wasn't nearly as talented as the one they had last year.  Carlisle, I bet, didn't have 50 yards of total offense.  They couldn't do anything.  Lonoke, on the other hand, was knocking off 10 plus yards a pop.  But, hey, at least we are throwing the ball now, so all is well.   

You are correct.

Lonoke's defense limited Carlisle to only 13 total yards.
Bison quarterback Eli Moody completed 8 of 12 passes for 23 yards. The Bison had minus-10 yards rushing.
"It didn't feel like we had a single first down the whole game," said first-year Carlisle coach Caleb Shock. "We didn't move the ball well on offense. We didn't block well. We tried to run plays and Lonoke's whole defensive line is in our backfield every play.
"As coaches, we didn't do our job getting us ready for our opponent the way that we should have."


Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: gameoflife on September 02, 2018, 04:03:25 pm
Are you guys running the spread?
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on September 02, 2018, 05:27:36 pm
Quote from: gameoflife on September 02, 2018, 04:03:25 pm
Are you guys running the spread?

Yes and it wasn't pretty (only 13 total yards of offense), but it was the first game in a new system, under new coaches.  Hopefully, it will get better.  I think what concerned me more was just an overall lack of effort and energy.  Linemen, on both sides of the ball, not even firing off, players on kickoff return that wouldn't block for each other, little to no physicality, etc.  Overall, not a lot of positives to take away from this one...
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on September 02, 2018, 06:47:56 pm
The problem a lot of times with the spread is it's not a physical offence,  it's hard in 2a ball to turn the switch on and off , be physical on defence and not on offence. The whole concept of the spread is to get your athletes in space to use there speed. If you dont have any speed then it dont work very well.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on September 02, 2018, 08:21:28 pm
Quote from: big E on September 02, 2018, 06:47:56 pm
The problem a lot of times with the spread is it's not a physical offence,  it's hard in 2a ball to turn the switch on and off , be physical on defence and not on offence. The whole concept of the spread is to get your athletes in space to use there speed. If you dont have any speed then it dont work very well.

Which is why I think trying to run the spread is a waste of time for Carlisle.  They are better fit for three yards and cloud of dust. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: big E on September 03, 2018, 06:51:00 am
You definitely have to find a system that fits your kids skill set. Spread blocking 8s easier for the linemen,  but you have to have a qb that can throw it and receivers that can catch it.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on September 03, 2018, 07:14:46 am
Quote from: big E on September 03, 2018, 06:51:00 am
You definitely have to find a system that fits your kids skill set. Spread blocking 8s easier for the linemen,  but you have to have a qb that can throw it and receivers that can catch it.

Receivers have to be able to get open as well.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 03, 2018, 10:56:25 am
Need a QB that can take off and run if need be and good linemen and receivers that can catch.A few ingredients for the spread to work successful and also the QB needs to be a good passer
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: razorbackrob on September 03, 2018, 11:57:34 am
Lot a people on here missed their calling
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: LeftyWorld on September 03, 2018, 12:11:07 pm
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 03, 2018, 10:56:25 am
Need a QB that can take off and run if need be and good linemen and receivers that can catch.A few ingredients for the spread to work successful and also the QB needs to be a good passer

Hmmm good lineman, receivers that can catch, and a qb that can run and pass. Yep those usually help lol
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Old Scrapper on September 03, 2018, 01:16:23 pm
Quote from: LeftyWorld on September 03, 2018, 12:11:07 pm
Hmmm good lineman, receivers that can catch, and a qb that can run and pass. Yep those usually help lol
LOL yea I'd take that combination every year!
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Lions84 on September 05, 2018, 02:43:54 pm
DeWitt going to Torch the Bison this week.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on September 07, 2018, 11:52:00 pm
26-12 Dewitt... Carlisle had a chance to close the gap at the end but threw an interception in the end zone.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: gameoflife on September 09, 2018, 03:52:26 pm
So the spread is good with the right athletes?  When you have really good talent you can run what ever you like and it will probably work.   Every team cannot do it, and every team cannot do what they do on college teams or pro teams. Those guys have the best athletes and they sometimes cannot do it right.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: i40traveler on September 09, 2018, 04:50:53 pm
Sounds to me like Carlisle is getting better every week
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on September 09, 2018, 09:09:17 pm
Quote from: i40traveler on September 09, 2018, 04:50:53 pm
Sounds to me like Carlisle is getting better every week

I will give them credit.  They kept it a lot closer than I ever thought they would.  Definitely an improvement from the Lonoke game.  Running game looked a lot better; passing game is still a MAJOR work in progress.  I'll be curious to see how they do this week against a team they should be favored to beat.  Would be nice to get a 'W' before heading in to conference play.   
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Fan1958 on September 25, 2018, 10:43:43 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Big Dave on October 01, 2018, 11:52:27 am
As most know, we scrapped the spread for the most part. I dont know if it's for good. They seemed to come out and play with more energy. Still a long way to go but I like what I saw Friday night.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on October 01, 2018, 12:30:43 pm
Quote from: Big Dave on October 01, 2018, 11:52:27 am
As most know, we scrapped the spread for the most part. I dont know if it's for good. They seemed to come out and play with more energy. Still a long way to go but I like what I saw Friday night.

Looks like the schedule lightens up a bit for the next few weeks so maybe that new energy will result in some wins down the road.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on October 01, 2018, 06:47:03 pm
Quote from: Big Dave on October 01, 2018, 11:52:27 am
As most know, we scrapped the spread for the most part. I dont know if it's for good. They seemed to come out and play with more energy. Still a long way to go but I like what I saw Friday night.

I'm not surprised to hear that they performed better running the new offense.  Much more used to that than chucking the ball all over the field.  Props to the coaching staff for making the switch; a lot of coaches would be too stubborn to admit their system failed and change mid-season to something else. 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on November 10, 2018, 09:26:02 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on August 24, 2018, 09:33:12 am
Thanks.  I knew they opened with Lonoke but just looked at the full schedule.  Probably a 3-7/4-6 kind of year.

Finished at 4-6-1 so I was in the ball park.  They beat the four teams at the bottom of the league but no one with a winning record.  Probably would have gone 5-5 or 6-4 in the regular season had they not experimented with the spread in the early games but that wouldn't have changed their playoff seeding.  Don't know what they graduate but will likely still be #4 in the conference next season.
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: BisonFan1 on November 10, 2018, 11:21:42 am
Quote from: Sonofasonofasailor on November 10, 2018, 09:26:02 am
Finished at 4-6-1 so I was in the ball park.  They beat the four teams at the bottom of the league but no one with a winning record.  Probably would have gone 5-5 or 6-4 in the regular season had they not experimented with the spread in the early games but that wouldn't have changed their playoff seeding.  Don't know what they graduate but will likely still be #4 in the conference next season.

They finished right about where I thought they would.  I said from the beginning that it would come down to us and Clarendon for the 4th/5th seed and that's exactly what happened.  In this conference setup, Carlisle should stay in the playoffs given how bad the bottom of the conference is. As long as you can beat Brinkley, Marianna-Lee and Marvell, you will be in the playoffs.  I'm also not sure what they have back next year, but I would guess they will have a similar season to this year, with maybe a slightly better overall record (5-5/6-4). 
Title: Re: Carlisle Football
Post by: Sonofasonofasailor on November 12, 2018, 08:52:17 am
Quote from: BisonFan1 on November 10, 2018, 11:21:42 am
In this conference setup, Carlisle should stay in the playoffs given how bad the bottom of the conference is. As long as you can beat Brinkley, Marianna-Lee and Marvell, you will be in the playoffs. 

Not sure why Marvell still tries to field a team and some could go 8 man.  Guess it could end up in a situation where everyone in the conference is in the playoffs before the first snap of August practice.