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"New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« on: August 25, 2017, 10:56:29 am »
I am seeing more coaches scrapping the heralded Spread offense that everybody jumped on in the early 2000's and going to a new/old offense....the Wing T or a version of it.  Everything cycles around. Opinions?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 11:00:29 am »
Probably more coaches realizing they don't have the athletes to run the spread effectively. The Wing T makes more sense for teams with less athletes. 3 yards and a cloud of dust can still get you in the end zone.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 11:13:47 am »
I have been seeing it ran to perfection with my own eyes for two decades now and running....

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 11:35:29 am »
Wing T..we kept it when it wasn't cool to keep it!!

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 11:42:33 am »
Wing T..we kept it when it wasn't cool to keep it!!

Lots and lots of games won during that time too....

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 11:45:47 am »
Its hard to stop the Wing T when its ran to perfection

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2017, 12:36:40 pm »
Pappa Frank rode the Wing T to every one of his state titles at Barton.

When it is humming it nearly impossible to stop.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 08:48:35 am »
I am seeing more coaches scrapping the heralded Spread offense that everybody jumped on in the early 2000's and going to a new/old offense....the Wing T or a version of it.  Everything cycles around. Opinions?

Who is running the wing-t that hasn't been running it in the past?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 10:06:07 am »
Who is running the wing-t that hasn't been running it in the past?
CAC began running it this season.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2017, 10:51:25 am »
Run it against Nashville..... They can't ever stop it.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2017, 11:36:48 am »
It's not working out to good for CAC so far.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2017, 06:36:45 pm »
West Memphis ran the wing T for years..was very successful..until they met the teams from the west.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 09:42:17 am »
I think it about your talent u have example Wynne

Won for year under different coach and different offense

Van paschal flexbone 3-0 right now

Chris Hill flexbone
13-1 state runner up
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Spread offense
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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 11:15:14 am »
Run it against Nashville..... They can't ever stop it.
What happened in the 2015 4A championship game?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2017, 12:58:22 pm »
2009 3A Champs - Fountain Lake
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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2017, 12:56:40 pm »
The shift to me seems to be more to the flexbone.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 02:17:57 pm »
...Which, incidentally, is related to the Wing-T, since either wingback can motion next to the fullback.

Waldron and Booneville both do this. Ozark did this in Ford's later years.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2017, 02:23:14 pm »
...Which, incidentally, is related to the Wing-T, since either wingback can motion next to the fullback.

Waldron and Booneville both do this. Ozark did this in Ford's later years.

Yes minus the Tight End in most cases.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 10:11:10 am »
You can't have a wing back without a TE.  If there's not a TE that position is called a slot.  Flexbone (double slot) scheme is way different the a wing t scheme.  Similar in formation totally different philosophy.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 10:11:11 am »
The Diamond T was a great offense and the General at Wynne ran it to perfection.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2017, 11:37:27 am »
That was the offense Lonnie Sutton ran at WC in the mid 90's. WC was state runner up  one year and won it all the next year. Even Monticello's famous "Blue Steel" defenses of the mid 90's couldn't stop it.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2017, 01:55:45 pm »
You can't have a wing back without a TE.  If there's not a TE that position is called a slot.  Flexbone (double slot) scheme is way different the a wing t scheme.  Similar in formation totally different philosophy.

I wonder if local popularity of the Double Slot/Flexbone can be attributed in any way to Harding's longtime use of that system.  Lots of high school coaches that played at (or against) Harding?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 10:52:22 am »
I am seeing more coaches scrapping the heralded Spread offense that everybody jumped on in the early 2000's and going to a new/old offense....the Wing T or a version of it.  Everything cycles around. Opinions?

Call Pappa Frank down at Walnut Corner he a grand daddy with that system.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 04:55:01 pm »
Well the Wing-T also is easy to learn. Playbook not that thick and it can be ran with great athletes or not so great athletes. It's all about execution...so no different than any other offensive scheme.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 12:58:40 am »
Does anybody in the state run the New Mexico triple option?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 12:37:07 pm »
Well the Wing-T also is easy to learn. Playbook not that thick and it can be ran with great athletes or not so great athletes. It's all about execution...so no different than any other offensive scheme.

WC with Lonnie Sutton who learned it from being with Pappa Frank at Barton back in mid 1970's .

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2017, 02:51:48 pm »
Why did CAC go to the Wing T?  Is this Coach Shoemakers 1st stint as CAC football coach?

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2017, 10:18:00 pm »
Why did CAC go to the Wing T?  Is this Coach Shoemakers 1st stint as CAC football coach?

He's been there awhile

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 09:17:14 am »
The Throwback Offence down here in Texas is the Slot T.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 10:20:06 am »
The spread offense has become the choice of so many schools that you don't see the variety of offensive schemes that you did at one time.  I know many people think that is the offensive you have to run nowadays but there are plenty of successful programs around that do something different.  The Wing T being just one of them. 

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2018, 01:17:37 pm »
I think some believe that the spread helps get kids out to play and because it has the reputation of being wide open it helps get fans out to watch.  Maybe, but I think if you are loosing with the spread or any other offense you are going to loose kids and fans if you are not in a great school with great community support regardless of what you run.  At the same time, if you run the Wing T, Dead T, Double Wing, Wishbone, it doesn't matter if you are winning.  The kids who love ball will play and the fans will show up to see you win.  Think Booneville.  Even in the few down years they experience, they keep players and fans. 

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2018, 04:14:16 pm »
You are corrrect about there being good numbers of winning teams that are Wing T teams.  A web search for Wing T teams will find some pretty quickly.  I have talked to coaches who will tell you that they were not a serious contender for a job because they didn't run the spread.  It's perception.  Some administrators are only looking for  spread guys.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 05:04:05 pm »
You are corrrect about there being good numbers of winning teams that are Wing T teams.  A web search for Wing T teams will find some pretty quickly.  I have talked to coaches who will tell you that they were not a serious contender for a job because they didn't run the spread.  It's perception.  Some administrators are only looking for  spread guys.

Some would rather lose with an exciting offense than possibly win titles with a boring old school attack....

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2018, 06:01:29 pm »
Some would rather lose with an exciting offense than possibly win titles with a boring old school attack....

Now that makes sense.  I've seen some of those wingT teams on the internet, I don't  think they look that boring.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2018, 06:13:59 pm »
Now that makes sense.  I've seen some of those wingT teams on the internet, I don't  think they look that boring.

Me either....But people hear anything that suggests an all run offense and they get upset these days haha

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2018, 09:04:20 pm »
I don't know about you all, but I make sure to watch one Navy game a year... I love watching that offense ran so clean. When that triple option they run it clicking and executing I love watching that.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2018, 05:30:18 pm »
Some of those internet wing T teams can throw it as well as run it.  Matter of fact there is so much motion and pass going on it don't look like your daddy's wing T as they say.    Even in the TE, WB set they have a lot of receivers available.  I think most people just believe its an all run offense. 

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2018, 10:55:37 pm »
It just isn't possible to throw the ball from the Wing T.   Oh my.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2018, 12:58:56 pm »
Probably more coaches realizing they don't have the athletes to run the spread effectively. The Wing T makes more sense for teams with less athletes. 3 yards and a cloud of dust can still get you in the end zone.
Not to be argumentative, but if anything, the opposite is true. The spread is the simplest offense of all and the one offense that can be run effectively without tons of size or great athletes. Probably the main reason of the popularity of the scheme and explosion of teams that run it over the last 15 years or so is because it was/is the great equalizer in that it gives teams with less size, speed, and athletic ability the chance to at least be competitive with teams that are superior in the aforementioned attributes. Also, it is easy to implement in that the blocking schemes are simple, no complex QB read progressions, simple WR routes, etc.
 Never been a huge fan of the spread personally because I believe in many ways it has cheapened the game, has made some offensive positions like FB and TE less common, has hampered the development of players from college to the NFL, etc. However, it is entertaining for fans, and I think it does maximize talent, although it has a lower ceiling than other offenses.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2018, 01:22:46 pm »
Your analysis seems to oversimplify reality.  The Spread isn't worth a darn without athletes.  To properly execute you need to be able to throw the ball, so you need a good QB and good receivers.  You also need good one on one pass blockers and since the run block scheme is simplified you need good one on one run blockers.  If the spread was the anwer to offensive woes then there wouldn't be as many losers running the spread.  It became the offense of fashion because of the good teams that have athletes that can execute and the coaches that touted it.  Been just as many that didn't work out for but you don't hear much about the teams that cannot win with it or any other offense.  Also if you are planning to run the ball there are better choices particularly if you don't have the passing game to keep the defense backed up off the LOS.  As far as simplicity, well any offense can be simple or complicated depending on what you put in.  The Wing T is very versatile if you use all of the options available and not just the buck and power approach. But this is true of most offenses.  How do you implement and create versatility. The spread looks good to the fans, so does any other offense if you are winning.
 Losing teams don't impress no matter what. IMO.

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2018, 09:07:36 am »
The Wing T will still win games!

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2018, 10:09:33 am »
It does still win games, all over the country and does it with lesser talent in some cases.  The spread is flashy and people who don't know think its the answer to little talent.  Besides that's what the pros and many colleges run.  Colleges and pros get to recruit the best of the best talent out there.  They get guys that fit that system.  Of course Bama is a freak of nature, Saban is old school offense and playing great D and winning national titles. 

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Re: "New" offensive scheme-The Wing T
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2018, 10:48:24 am »
You are correct, it does win games all over the country.  Still a great offense for high school teams that understand the versatility of the offense.

 

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