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I just ask this on the 7A board, NLR is now clearly the overall number 1 team in the state. Would you rank Bentonville or Greenwood number 2?
Quote from: JessieP on December 02, 2017, 05:47:52 pm
I just ask this on the 7A board, NLR is now clearly the overall number 1 team in the state. Would you rank Bentonville or Greenwood number 2?
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 02, 2017, 07:27:11 pm
I would say after watching NLR and Bentonville play, there is no doubt in my mind that the GW team could play with both those teams and likely beat them. There was nothing impressive about the teams I watched today that would make me think otherwise.
Quote from: JessieP on December 02, 2017, 05:47:52 pm
I just ask this on the 7A board, NLR is now clearly the overall number 1 team in the state. Would you rank Bentonville or Greenwood number 2?
Only thing clear about that is they beat a weak looking Bentonville team
Quote from: JessieP on December 02, 2017, 05:47:52 pm
I just ask this on the 7A board, NLR is now clearly the overall number 1 team in the state. Would you rank Bentonville or Greenwood number 2?
Greenwood is the most completed team top to bottom.
Greenwood!!! Enough said
Quote from: RD™ on December 02, 2017, 08:15:54 pm
Greenwood is the most completed team top to bottom.
After watching them play twice I have to agree. They beat....no...dominated some very good 6A teams. I didn't see one area of their game that was suspect. Usually you can see a weakness in one aspect of the game on every team.....special teams, kicking, defense, linebackers, secondary....etc. But not this GW team. Complete team. I think even the training staff and ball boys were better than everyone else's.
Well......perhaps Bennie or NLR would be willing to play a home and home non-con series to decide the issue...??..??
Good gosh Bait. Would you please take that GIF down. Gives me the willys. :P ;D
Quote from: Baitshop on December 02, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
Well......perhaps Bennie or NLR would be willing to play a home and home non-con series to decide the issue...??..??
That decides nothing about this year.
I think GW beats those teams if matched up this year. The only thing impressive about the 7A games was that Bennie never gave up, while NLR almost got caught celebrating too early. I was impressed by that, but offensively and defensively, was not overly impressed by anything they did on the field to make me think GW could not beat them. They may get the final nod, but no way they are the best in the state....just that they are in the largest classification and that seems to trump all other things even what some peoples eyes see.
When the dust clears, GW will have had the most dominating performance of the top 3-4 schools in this overall discussion and it was against the program in the the state with the most titles.
NLR shouldn't get a pass to #1 simply because they were in the top class and played a Bentonville team that gave them a close run for their money which many thought they would dominate.
I see all the Greenwood people are adamant that Greenwood is the top team, the PA fans are equally as adamant that PA is. It's all opinion so who really knows?
Greenwood would beat both Bentonville and NLR.
Quote from: JessieP on December 02, 2017, 09:06:35 pm
I see all the Greenwood people are adamant that Greenwood is the top team, the PA fans are equally as adamant that PA is. It's all opinion so who really knows?
So why ask the question? Are you not going to congratulate Greenwood?
Quote from: PrivateLesson on December 02, 2017, 09:12:09 pm
So why ask the question? Are you not going to congratulate Greenwood?
I have, I will again. I didn't realize how important it was to the Greenwood fans. So to all the Greenwood fans, congratulations. Now you can celebrate.
Quote from: Baitshop on December 02, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
Well......perhaps Bennie or NLR would be willing to play a home and home non-con series to decide the issue...??..??
Gwd should play them. Gwd doesn't get much competition from fs teams, nor does nlr.
Quote from: Baitshop on December 02, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
Well......perhaps Bennie or NLR would be willing to play a home and home non-con series to decide the issue...??..??
Lift for Life is a power house now. Backoff bro. They beat Vashon High School 6-0.
Vashon is like the Pulaski Academy of MO yo
Quote from: PrivateLesson on December 02, 2017, 09:12:09 pm
So why ask the question? Are you not going to congratulate Greenwood?
I don't know how anyone can surmise that NLR is clearly the #1 team in the state after that 7A game where frankly they both looked slightly better than average really- yet in addition go on to second guess who should be #2.
Congrats to CRJ and the Greenwood Bulldogs. I know that I've had some differences with some of the Bulldog faithful but they're a great team that does things. the right way. Very classy
Greenwood has the #1 team in the state. After watching the 7A game today, Greenwood could beat either one of those teams.
Congrats to the Greenwood Air Dogs 2017 6A State Champs.
Quote from: Baitshop on December 02, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
Well......perhaps Bennie or NLR would be willing to play a home and home non-con series to decide the issue...??..??
Bait why? Lolololol, Why can you not leave it alone? You are like a little Chihuahua that just tugs and barks at the bigger dog and then the BIG DOG has to slap the little dog away. Here is the reality, Greenwood plays two 7A schools every year. It is convenient, good gates for all schools and the players don't have to be out of class all day to play a noncon game that in the end is meaningless. Two 7A schools that have a bigger enrollment, more athletes to choose from so forth and so on. We would love it down here if the Fort Smith schools would step up their programs and give Greenwood a little competition. I mean, good grief at least score more than 7 points combined in a year against GW! My advice, and take it for what its worth because we all know that YOU don't think there is a problem up there with the Mavs, worry about your schedule. Take care of your business. Either be a Bulldog fan and alumni or be a Southside fan. We don't need no bandwagon jumpers down here. We have a solid fan base. We certainly don't need your advice cause Lawd knows it hasn't helped Southside. We would rather stay relevant and winners rather than go for two on the first drive and lose by one and end up 3-8!
Cue the comments about Insurance, when Rick leaves and how many times GW was runner up. Or just type in SMH. Still waiting for all your marbles to shake loose and start working again. I'm sure you and your SS buddies set around on Saturday mornings and drink coffee and they all applaud your negative comments about Greenwood and how you "BAIT" people into commenting, all the while looking rather foolish in doing so on here. It would be so much easier and much classier if you just said, Congratulations!
+1
Quote from: High Voltage on December 03, 2017, 09:12:29 am
Bait why? Lolololol, Why can you not leave it alone? You are like a little Chihuahua that just tugs and barks at the bigger dog and then the BIG DOG has to slap the little dog away. Here is the reality, Greenwood plays two 7A schools every year. It is convenient, good gates for all schools and the players don't have to be out of class all day to play a noncon game that in the end is meaningless. Two 7A schools that have a bigger enrollment, more athletes to choose from so forth and so on. We would love it down here if the Fort Smith schools would step up their programs and give Greenwood a little competition. I mean, good grief at least score more than 7 points combined in a year against GW! My advice, and take it for what its worth because we all know that YOU don't think there is a problem up there with the Mavs, worry about your schedule. Take care of your business. Either be a Bulldog fan and alumni or be a Southside fan. We don't need no bandwagon jumpers down here. We have a solid fan base. We certainly don't need your advice cause Lawd knows it hasn't helped Southside. We would rather stay relevant and winners rather than go for two on the first drive and lose by one and end up 3-8!
Cue the comments about Insurance, when Rick leaves and how many times GW was runner up. Or just type in SMH. Still waiting for all your marbles to shake loose and start working again. I'm sure you and your SS buddies set around on Saturday mornings and drink coffee and they all applaud your negative comments about Greenwood and how you "BAIT" people into commenting, all the while looking rather foolish in doing so on here. It would be so much easier and much classier if you just said, Congratulations!
Oh, it's simple why......many in the UofG fan base have the same reoccuring problem. Big mouths, no balls....
"I watched the Bennie/NLR game and we would have beaten either one of them...we should be ranked #1 overall".
Everytime you fellas win a championship, it triggers an immediate crying of "we're the best in the world". All the while not proving it on the field. I'm just pointing out that you dont have be sitting at the house telling everybody that you're the cream of the crop when you have 3 non-con games to bring in the current cream of the crop in Arkansas' other classifications. You obviously currently have Northside and Southside's number, so why don't you out amd find tams that will push you more so you don't have to look like yoyo's when you start chirping about how you should be ranked above people that you are unwilling to schedule...
Pretty simple even for a simpleton like yourself...
Oh, and I did congratulate the GW players and coaches. As a matter of fact, I was the first to do it here on the board after the game.
Quote from: Baitshop on December 03, 2017, 10:45:47 am
Oh, it's simple why......many in the UofG fan base have the same reoccuring problem. Big mouths, no balls....
"I watched the Bennie/NLR game and we would have beaten either one of them...we should be ranked #1 overall".
Everytime you fellas win a championship, it triggers an immediate crying of "we're the best in the world". All the while not proving it on the field. I'm just pointing out that you dont have be sitting at the house telling everybody that you're the cream of the crop when you have 3 non-con games to bring in the current cream of the crop in Arkansas' other classifications. You obviously currently have Northside and Southside's number, so why don't you out amd find tams that will push you more so you don't have to look like yoyo's when you start chirping about how you should be ranked above people that you are unwilling to schedule...
Pretty simple even for a simpleton like yourself...
Oh, and I did congratulate the GW players and coaches. As a matter of fact, I was the first to do it here on the board after the game.
And I am just pointing out that you as the "Big Man" of the SS program should be worried about all the problems you guys have rather than be worried about a team that is 13-0, state champs and are good every year. GW is in the hunt year in and year out. We have beaten 7A teams, forced to play in a conference with 7A teams and still won the conference. Sorry bud, you can do or say what you want but the records speak for themselves. You try and find fault with Greenwood at every turn, and it all comes back to the noncon schedule. Here is the truth, nobody cares what you think of GW's noncon schedule. I truly believe that CRJ's does not set up at night and worry that Bait does not like our Noncon. It's not one of his worries I can assure you. Yes, there are GW posters that are beating their chest about being state champs. My goodness man, we just went 13-0 and won the state championship over a juggernaut program like PB in convincing fashion. We should be proud and we don't need the approval of the SS announcer to feel good. I personally think NLR is the #1 overall team and did so in my poll, but I could make a very convincing argument for putting GW #1. If I did you would bring up CRJ's insurance and try and make an argument that if he and his family did not have insurance they would not be as good. Why don't you spend your time, energy and money making SS a better program. It would sure help SS's situation I would think.
You accomplished what you set out to do, derail yet another positive thread about Greenwood.
Quote from: hogsanddogs on December 02, 2017, 11:09:42 pm
Greenwood has the #1 team in the state. After watching the 7A game today, Greenwood could beat either one of those teams.
North Little Rock would do some dirty things to Greenwood.
Quote from: High Voltage on December 03, 2017, 11:02:56 am
And I am just pointing out that you as the "Big Man" of the SS program should be worried about all the problems you guys have rather than be worried about a team that is 13-0, state champs and are good every year. GW is in the hunt year in and year out. We have beaten 7A teams, forced to play in a conference with 7A teams and still won the conference. Sorry bud, you can do or say what you want but the records speak for themselves. You try and find fault with Greenwood at every turn, and it all comes back to the noncon schedule. Here is the truth, nobody cares what you think of GW's noncon schedule. I truly believe that CRJ's does not set up at night and worry that Bait does not like our Noncon. It's not one of his worries I can assure you. Yes, there are GW posters that are beating their chest about being state champs. My goodness man, we just went 13-0 and won the state championship over a juggernaut program like PB in convincing fashion. We should be proud and we don't need the approval of the SS announcer to feel good. I personally think NLR is the #1 overall team and did so in my poll, but I could make a very convincing argument for putting GW #1. If I did you would bring up CRJ's insurance and try and make an argument that if he and his family did not have insurance they would not be as good. Why don't you spend your time, energy and money making SS a better program. It would sure help SS's situation I would think.
Everything in blue screams that everything in red is bullchit... :-*
You're the one chasing my posts all over the board to comment on them...if my opinion doesn't matter, then why your incessant need to comment on it?
Now, if you want to have an ongoing conversation with me, why don't you start a separate thread and we can discuss whatever you want to there. This thread is about the 2017 Greenwood State Championship that I have already congratulated them on. And having said that, this will be my last post on this thread.
Quote from: Baitshop on December 03, 2017, 11:32:41 am
Everything in blue screams that everything in red is bullchit... :-*
You're the one chasing my posts all over the board to comment on them...if my opinion doesn't matter, then why your incessant need to comment on it?
Now, if you want to have an ongoing conversation with me, why don't you start a separate thread and we can discuss whatever you want to there. This thread is about the 2017 Greenwood State Championship that I have already congratulated them on. And having said that, this will be my last post on this thread.
Just as you chase Greenwood threads around commenting on those. Good, maybe you will leave all of the Greenwood threads alone from this point on.
Quote from: RyanLR on December 03, 2017, 11:19:55 am
North Little Rock would do some dirty things to Greenwood.
From what I saw, there was nothing this year's GW version couldn't handle, compete with , and likely win. That was a little better than average Bentonville team just a few years into a split. By most accounts, NLR was supposed to dominate them and did not. GW had the horses on both sides this year, playmakers on offense, and a very stingy defense. Plus, they have one of the best coaching staffs in the state spearheaded by Rick Jones, easily one of the best if not THE best in the state right no.
Offensively they (NLR) were not impressive and defensively they got exposed on several occasions especially in their passing defense. In the end, they darn near almost gave up the lead because Bentonville did not stop playing. So, yeah that part was really "nasty".
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 03, 2017, 01:10:20 pm
From what I saw, there was nothing this year's GW version couldn't handle, compete with , and likely win. That was a little better than average Bentonville team just a few years into a split. GW had the horses on both sides this year, playmakers on offense, and a very stingy defense. Plus, they have one of the best coaching staffs in the state spearheaded by Rick Jones, easily one of the best if not THE best in the state right now. Offensively they (NLR) were not impressive and defensively they got exposed on several occasions and in the end, they darn near almost gave up the lead because Bentonville did not stop playing. So, yeah that part was really "nasty".
+1, this would be a great game. I give a slight edge to NLR, but it could go either way.
Quote from: RyanLR on December 03, 2017, 11:19:55 am
North Little Rock would do some dirty things to Greenwood.
I don't know about that! Love to see that matchup though!
Speaking of balls baitshop, what year were you last able to see yours?
All during the season, I thought of a GW vs PA or GW vs NLR or Bennie would be great match up. Based on what I've seen so far, GW would give NLR a heck of game. GW beats PA by 20 and Beenie by 10.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 03, 2017, 05:31:24 pm
All during the season, I thought of a GW vs PA or GW vs NLR or Bennie would be great match up. Based on what I've seen so far, GW would give NLR a heck of game. GW beats PA by 20 and Beenie by 10.
Hey Zebra, just curious on what you base that on?
Quote from: High Voltage on December 03, 2017, 05:38:37 pm
Hey Zebra, just curious on what you base that on?
GW vs PA...GW +20
1) GW is better coached.
2) PA is not as athletic as GW.
3) The onside kicking from PA would consistently give GW a short field which is just asking for mercy rule.
4) GW has a better defense.
5) Which should be # 1...GW has Conner Nolan! He would pick apart PA's secondary
GW vs NLR...EVEN
1) NLR might have a little more depth along the OL and DL but I don't think fatigue would be an issue.
2) I like the size NLR has in their secondary but I don't think it helps in stopping or slowing down GW's offense.
3) NLR I think can run the ball on GW but can they do it consistently? NLR passing game is suspect.
4) If GW ever got up on NLR don't think NLR has the offense to come back
5) Conner Nolan
GW vs Bentonville....GW +10
1) Was not impressed with Bennies secondary.
2) Both teams tackle well and swarm to the ball
3) Don't think Bennie would have success running against GW.
4) I think GW is more athletic than Bennie
5) Conner Nolan will pick Bennies secondary apart.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 03, 2017, 06:57:30 pm
GW vs PA...GW +20
1) GW is better coached.
2) PA is not as athletic as GW.
3) The onside kicking from PA would consistently give GW a short field which is just asking for mercy rule.
4) GW has a better defense.
5) Which should be # 1...GW has Conner Nolan! He would pick apart PA's secondary
GW vs NLR...EVEN
1) NLR might have a little more depth along the OL and DL but I don't think fatigue would be an issue.
2) I like the size NLR has in there secondary but I don't think it help in stopping or slowing down GW's offense.
3) NLR I think can run the ball on GW but can they do it consistently? NLR passing game is suspect.
4) If GW ever got up on NLR don't think NLR has the offense to come back
5) Conner Nolan
GW vs Bentonville....GW +10
1) Was not impressed with Bennies secondary.
2) Both teams tackle well and swarm to the ball
3) Don't think Bennie would have success running against GW.
4) I think GW is more athletic than Bennie
5) Conner Nolan will pick Bennies secondary apart.
Nice thoughts on all 3 match-ups....I am taking it you were impressed with Connor Noland?
I was too....he looked razor sharp the last few games minus the wounded duck that came off his hand straight to the PB LB. Kid can flat put some mustard on the ball and really quick release. Plus, he has nice feet when he must scramble. I hope he does well at the UA.
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 03, 2017, 07:42:50 pm
Nice thoughts on all 3 match-ups....I am taking it you were impressed with Connor Noland?
I was too....he looked razor sharp the last few games minus the wounded duck that came off his hand straight to the PB LB. Kid can flat put some mustard on the ball and really quick release. Plus, he has nice feet when he must scramble. I hope he does well at the UA.
I was impressed with his arm and accruracy not so much with his feet. He can move but I'm not buying the near "dual threat" that is sometimes used to describe him. With the current OL situation on hill...I would recommend baseball! LOL!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 03, 2017, 08:00:46 pm
I was impressed with his arm and accruracy not so much with his feet. He can move but I'm not buying the near "dual threat" that is sometimes used to describe him. With the current OL situation on hill...I would recommend baseball! LOL!
+1 Lol! Yeah, baseball might keep him healthier for sure.....
Saw a lot of games and teams this year. GW was best team I saw hands down. NLR was the most athletic.
Quote from: RyanLR on December 03, 2017, 11:19:55 am
North Little Rock would do some dirty things to Greenwood.
Not so fast CryinRyanLR! Womack, Webb and Hanna would make your offense look worse than it did against Bentonville. Probably beat Greenwood on the "dirty" part, but Greenwood's defense would remind you what NASTY is like.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 03, 2017, 07:42:50 pm
Nice thoughts on all 3 match-ups....I am taking it you were impressed with Connor Noland?
I was too....he looked razor sharp the last few games minus the wounded duck that came off his hand straight to the PB LB. Kid can flat put some mustard on the ball and really quick release. Plus, he has nice feet when he must scramble. I hope he does well at the UA.
His quick release was on point...WRs turn around..bam it's chest or a nice back shoulder dime. Hope he does well at UofA.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 03, 2017, 05:28:16 pm
Speaking of balls baitshop, what year were you last able to see yours?
The day he graduated from Greenwood High School! Been down hill and up county ever since.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: High Voltage on December 03, 2017, 09:12:29 am
Bait why? Lolololol, Why can you not leave it alone? You are like a little Chihuahua that just tugs and barks at the bigger dog and then the BIG DOG has to slap the little dog away. Here is the reality, Greenwood plays two 7A schools every year. It is convenient, good gates for all schools and the players don't have to be out of class all day to play a noncon game that in the end is meaningless. Two 7A schools that have a bigger enrollment, more athletes to choose from so forth and so on. We would love it down here if the Fort Smith schools would step up their programs and give Greenwood a little competition. I mean, good grief at least score more than 7 points combined in a year against GW! My advice, and take it for what its worth because we all know that YOU don't think there is a problem up there with the Mavs, worry about your schedule. Take care of your business. Either be a Bulldog fan and alumni or be a Southside fan. We don't need no bandwagon jumpers down here. We have a solid fan base. We certainly don't need your advice cause Lawd knows it hasn't helped Southside. We would rather stay relevant and winners rather than go for two on the first drive and lose by one and end up 3-8!
Cue the comments about Insurance, when Rick leaves and how many times GW was runner up. Or just type in SMH. Still waiting for all your marbles to shake loose and start working again. I'm sure you and your SS buddies set around on Saturday mornings and drink coffee and they all applaud your negative comments about Greenwood and how you "BAIT" people into commenting, all the while looking rather foolish in doing so on here. It would be so much easier and much classier if you just said, Congratulations!
Hash slingin, ankle biter for sure!
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Congratulations to Greenwood.
Congrats Greenwood.
NLR number 1 overall but not by a bunch. Bentonville #2. Both would probably beat Greenwood in close games. 6a overall was weaker in my opinion. 7a was down as well but stronger overall than than any other class in the state. If i made a top 10 it'd have at least 6 7a teams, PA, Greenwood and then it's a discussion for the final two teams....maybe Warren and PB.
Quote from: businesstron on December 04, 2017, 12:00:20 pm
Congrats Greenwood.
NLR number 1 overall but not by a bunch. Bentonville #2. Both would probably beat Greenwood in close games. 6a overall was weaker in my opinion. 7a was down as well but stronger overall than than any other class in the state. If i made a top 10 it'd have at least 6 7a teams, PA, Greenwood and then it's a discussion for the final two teams....maybe Warren and PB.
6 7A teams wow!
Quote from: businesstron on December 04, 2017, 12:00:20 pm
Congrats Greenwood.
NLR number 1 overall but not by a bunch. Bentonville #2. Both would probably beat Greenwood in close games. 6a overall was weaker in my opinion. 7a was down as well but stronger overall than than any other class in the state. If i made a top 10 it'd have at least 6 7a teams, PA, Greenwood and then it's a discussion for the final two teams....maybe Warren and PB.
It's pretty cool that we had one of the stars of HBO's new documentary "Meth Storm" stop by and put his expert opinion in here. Maybe, you care to elaborate how you came to deduce this Heisenberg other than your brilliant theory of 7A uber alles and 6A weak?
The two 7A teams I watched on Sat. were no juggernauts by a long stretch.
Plus, based on your post history, I'd say it was safe to say you have "wood" envy it looks like since you have been biased against GW a lot.
I think GW and NLR would be a good game. I would have a hard time discrediting NLR with the athletes I saw on their team. Two great teams for sure. I remember not so long ago the cycle ran through NLR where they had down years so don't think it can't happen to anyone.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 03, 2017, 06:57:30 pm
GW vs PA...GW +20
1) GW is better coached.
2) PA is not as athletic as GW.
3) The onside kicking from PA would consistently give GW a short field which is just asking for mercy rule.
4) GW has a better defense.
5) Which should be # 1...GW has Conner Nolan! He would pick apart PA's secondary
GW vs NLR...EVEN
1) NLR might have a little more depth along the OL and DL but I don't think fatigue would be an issue.
2) I like the size NLR has in their secondary but I don't think it helps in stopping or slowing down GW's offense.
3) NLR I think can run the ball on GW but can they do it consistently? NLR passing game is suspect.
4) If GW ever got up on NLR don't think NLR has the offense to come back
5) Conner Nolan
GW vs Bentonville....GW +10
1) Was not impressed with Bennies secondary.
2) Both teams tackle well and swarm to the ball
3) Don't think Bennie would have success running against GW.
4) I think GW is more athletic than Bennie
5) Conner Nolan will pick Bennies secondary apart.
Interesting take, thanks for sharing.
Quote from: AHS06 on December 04, 2017, 12:58:27 pm
6 7A teams wow!
Some people never learned to just say no to drugs.
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 02, 2017, 09:30:39 pm
I don't know how anyone can surmise that NLR is clearly the #1 team in the state after that 7A game where frankly they both looked slightly better than average really- yet in addition go on to second guess who should be #2.
Did PB look average to you or way above average? It sounds like you would have GW number 1 and that is very understandable. Curious where would you have NLR and Bennie since they are average? Above or below PB?
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on December 04, 2017, 08:20:34 pm
Did PB look average to you or way above average? It sounds like you would have GW number 1 and that is very understandable. Curious where would you have NLR and Bennie since they are average? Above or below PB?
I would have NLR 2 and PA 3 then Bennie. I do think that GW's performance was the most dominating performance of the weekend against the most storied program in the state (most titles). I think GW made PB look average, but I also think they were young. I just don't buy into the fact that 7A should automatically get the #1 spot....not this year. I think NLR was supposed to have all the chips and almost lost the house. They were not dominant over the two 5A teams they played non-con (LRM and Parkview), plus they struggled with Central and an offensively challenged Cabot team who barely beat PB and lost to ED.
Definitely, do not buy into the whole NLR #1 and Bennie #2 crap that some of these others are spewing on here or 7A's teams ranked...gimme a break. 7A was down as much as anyone.
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 04, 2017, 09:02:21 pm
I would have NLR 2 and PA 3 then Bennie. I do think that GW's performance was the most dominating performance of the weekend against the most storied program in the state (most titles). I think GW made PB look average, but I also think they were young. I just don't buy into the fact that 7A should automatically get the #1 spot....not this year. I think NLR was supposed to have all the chips and almost lost the house. They were not dominant over the two 5A teams they played non-con (LRM and Parkview), plus they struggled with Central and an offensively challenged Cabot team who barely beat PB and lost to ED.
Definitely, do not buy into the whole NLR #1 and Bennie #2 crap that some of these others are spewing on here or 7A's teams ranked...gimme a break. 7A was down as much as anyone.
It's an interesting discussion. I agree that GW has a legitimate claim to No. 1.
But, it's also just an intellectual discussion. We'll never know because the teams will never play.
To me, it's like 2011. That's the only year that I would have bet big money that PA would beat any team in the state. But, we'll never know.
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 04, 2017, 01:13:31 pm
It's pretty cool that we had one of the stars of HBO's new documentary "Meth Storm" stop by and put his expert opinion in here. Maybe, you care to elaborate how you came to deduce this Heisenberg other than your brilliant theory of 7A uber alles and 6A weak?
The two 7A teams I watched on Sat. were no juggernauts by a long stretch.
Plus, based on your post history, I'd say it was safe to say you have "wood" envy it looks like since you have been biased against GW a lot.
Are you trying to make an argument that let say the top 4 teams in 6a are better then whats in the 7a? The 6a was weak this year. It's Greenwood gap Pine Bluff Big gap West Memphis another gap and then the rest.
You on something if you think Pine Bluff and West Memphis are better than Conway, Bentonville, Bentonville West, Fayetteville, and Bryant....heck Harber might beat them if their healthy.
PB had enough problems with Cabot and Northside early on. They are good but they are not what they were when they won their last title. Part of the reason is their young. They accomplished alot within the confines of 6a but that show won't get too far on the road.
The argument they should be #1 because they destroyed just Pine Bluff doesn't hold water. Who else did y'll beat? What other great offenses did your defense shut down?
I'd take Bentonville over y'll simply because they've played against offenses similar to Greenwood. They know how to play a team like that and win rather it be a game in the 20s or 30s or 40s. I also don't think they'd stop Bentonville's offense.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 05, 2017, 12:56:57 am
It's an interesting discussion. I agree that GW has a legitimate claim to No. 1.
But, it's also just an intellectual discussion. We'll never know because the teams will never play.
To me, it's like 2011. That's the only year that I would have bet big money that PA would beat any team in the state. But, we'll never know.
Spot on and sad to a degree, I wish we has an overall Championship game between 6A and 7A, would be fun.
I think PA and winner of 4A should be part of the discussion as well since it is all just opinion. My issue is downing other great programs to try and make yours look better and in the same sentence placing PB on a pedestal because of their history. I say give GW, NLR, and PA all the imaginary overall championship. They are all great teams in their own right and deserve respect. I wish hootens would pit some of these teams against each other in kick off classic next year. I would like to see GW play NLR or even Fayetteville in a real game. PA is already going to play Harber so that will give them a better overall measuring stick.
Not sure I get how 7A has at least 6 of the top 10 teams in the state. I agree it was a down year but each year needs to stand on its own. GW has made a solid case for being #1. NLR did not just overwhelm everyone they played. Nobody is saying this was the best 7A team in years or even the best NLR team. If PB is taking it on the chin for struggling early in the year then NLR should be held to the same standard. Hard earned victories against 5A McClellan and Parkview have to mean something. Northside put up 23 on NLR but only 7 against PB and never got in our redzone! Bryant struggled with Benton a solid 6A team that didn't make the 6A semis. Bryant barely won against Cabot.
I can go on with several other examples. The point I'm trying to make is to use the same criteria across the board. If a 6A team struggles to win against so called lesser opponents and it's viewed as a negative then the same should be done when a 7A team struggles to win against lesser opponents.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 05, 2017, 11:29:16 am
Not sure I get how 7A has at least 6 of the top 10 teams in the state. I agree it was a down year but each year needs to stand on its own. GW has made a solid case for being #1. NLR did not just overwhelm everyone they played. Nobody is saying this was the best 7A team in years or even the best NLR team. If PB is taking it on the chin for struggling early in the year then NLR should be held to the same standard. Hard earned victories against 5A McClellan and Parkview have to mean something. Northside put up 23 on NLR but only 7 against PB and never got in our redzone! Bryant struggled with Benton a solid 6A team that didn't make the 6A semis. Bryant barely won against Cabot.
I can go on with several other examples. The point I'm trying to make is to use the same criteria across the board. If a 6A team struggles to win against so called lesser opponents and it's viewed as a negative then the same should be done when a 7A team struggles to win against lesser opponents.
+1
Quote from: BullDogFan72 on December 05, 2017, 12:06:20 pm
+1
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 05, 2017, 11:29:16 am
Not sure I get how 7A has at least 6 of the top 10 teams in the state. I agree it was a down year but each year needs to stand on its own. GW has made a solid case for being #1. NLR did not just overwhelm everyone they played. Nobody is saying this was the best 7A team in years or even the best NLR team. If PB is taking it on the chin for struggling early in the year then NLR should be held to the same standard. Hard earned victories against 5A McClellan and Parkview have to mean something. Northside put up 23 on NLR but only 7 against PB and never got in our redzone! Bryant struggled with Benton a solid 6A team that didn't make the 6A semis. Bryant barely won against Cabot.
I can go on with several other examples. The point I'm trying to make is to use the same criteria across the board. If a 6A team struggles to win against so called lesser opponents and it's viewed as a negative then the same should be done when a 7A team struggles to win against lesser opponents.
Excellent points ZD. I think you must look at the body of work, not just the end game. In the end, it's all subjective and I realize that. I just don't appreciate the mindset that some come over saying and assuming automatically that NLR and Bennie are ahead of GW or really PA for that matter. It's almost as if they have come on saying GW isn't the best or second best team in the state and oh yeah, congrats on 6A as a passing though after getting slapped in the face. Largest class does not mean best team. 2015 PB team prime example. No one can convince me that PB team, wasn't the best in the state that year. It was given to a 7A team.
I am not saying NLR or Bennie doesn't have good players or a good program. I just said there was nothing about them that I saw on Saturday that was over the charts impressive and just screamed out that they were without a doubt the best. Some of the power players in 7A struggled in wins over some 5A and 6A teams like ZD mentioned, but that gets looked over all because they were 7A. In the end NLR was the best 7A team, but that does not mean they were the best overall most complete team in the state.
Lastly, I just don't recall hearing or seeing a PB team get mercy ruled previously. It's just not something that happens under normal circumstances against most teams. So, I do tend to give a little credence to that as well as the fact they have a rich tradition as an Arkansas powerhouse. Also, GW has beaten more 7A opponents than anyone not in 7A since moving up in 2012. So, no way just because a team is 7A , does it mean they are superior in every scenario.
I think we should settle it on the field every year. Put the 6A champs against the NWA elitists (7A) champs the week after the last games and let them play for the overall #1 spot. I would put my money on GW this year and the 6A champs most years.
What exactly is the argument that 6A is tougher classification than 7A? Let's use some of the same arguments. PB is in the state championship game and undefeated against 6A and beat Northside at home by 7. Same PB team lost to Cabot. Juggernaut.
For the record more than once I have said GW, NLR, and PA should all be number 1. GW had a special team this year the best I have seen them put on field ever. Saying the 6A would beat 7A champ most years is ludicrous. Bennie and Fayetteville have put some pretty good teams on the field over the years and at least one Bennie defense was every bit as good as this years GW defense which the top 6A team besides them could manage to only score 14.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on December 05, 2017, 08:01:17 am
I think PA and winner of 4A should be part of the discussion as well since it is all just opinion. My issue is downing other great programs to try and make yours look better and in the same sentence placing PB on a pedestal because of their history. I say give GW, NLR, and PA all the imaginary overall championship. They are all great teams in their own right and deserve respect. I wish hootens would pit some of these teams against each other in kick off classic next year. I would like to see GW play NLR or even Fayetteville in a real game. PA is already going to play Harber so that will give them a better overall measuring stick.
Playing next year is great, would love to see those games however they have no bearing on who is better this year.
Quote from: High Voltage on December 05, 2017, 02:07:00 pm
Playing next year is great, would love to see those games however they have no bearing on who is better this year.
Agree. And neither does our opinions. 6A will say they have better classification. 7A will say the same about theirs. I imagine 4A and 5A would make same argument.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on December 05, 2017, 01:59:38 pm
What exactly is the argument that 6A is tougher classification than 7A? Let's use some of the same arguments. PB is in the state championship game and undefeated against 6A and beat Northside at home by 7. Same PB team lost to Cabot. Juggernaut.
You're not being consistent in your argument. IF PB is not all that because we lost to Cabot how can Bryant be that much better when it only managed to beat Cabot by 7 or the fact that the 7A state champ only beat a mediocre Parkview team by 9!
I am not saying 6A is tougher class only that 7A isn't automatically a top 10 team just because they have a good record.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 05, 2017, 02:32:54 pm
You're not being consistent in your argument. IF PB is not all that because we lost to Cabot how can Bryant be that much better when it only managed to beat Cabot by 7 or the fact that the 7A state champ only beat a mediocre Parkview team by 9!
I am not saying 6A is tougher class only that 7A isn't automatically a top 10 team just because they have a good record.
Yes I agree and that is part of the problem. You can argue a case from 100 different angles and no way to be consistent. I never said 7A is automatic in comparison to 6A. I do think this year GW is by far the class of 6A and there are a lot of 7A schools who would vie for 6A number two. The reverse can't be said that a lot of 6A schools this year would beat out Bennie, bennie west, Conway, etc. just one mans opinion and I have the utmost respect for GW team and PB program.
Quote from: Pr8hd on December 05, 2017, 01:28:53 pm
Lastly, I just don't recall hearing or seeing a PB team get mercy ruled previously. It's just not something that happens under normal circumstances against most teams. So, I do tend to give a little credence to that as well as the fact they have a rich tradition as an Arkansas powerhouse. Also, GW has beaten more 7A opponents than anyone not in 7A since moving up in 2012. So, no way just because a team is 7A , does it mean they are superior in every scenario.
You are correct I can't recall the last time PB was mercy ruled period but in the playoffs this was the first time since 6A was formed. The last time in the playoffs was in 2002 against FS Southside when we were still in the largest classification. Not even the great 2004 LR Central team beat us by this margin although they did shut us out.
But to put this in perspective, of the 6 teams BB has coached in the finals at PB I would rank this one at either 5th or 6th. Just my opinion.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 05, 2017, 04:41:27 pm
You are correct I can't recall the last time PB was mercy ruled period but in the playoffs this was the first time since 6A was formed. The last time in the playoffs was in 2002 against FS Southside when we were still in the largest classification. Not even the great 2004 LR Central team beat us by this margin although they did shut us out.
But to put this in perspective, of the 6 teams BB has coached in the finals at PB I would rank this one at either 5th or 6th. Just my opinion.
I didn't think it had happened very often and your perspective is understood. Of the 5 times I have seen GW play PB, this team is just too young to rank anything but 4th or 5th out of those times. Not trying to discredit them, I just know it was not on the level of the 2013-2015 teams we saw. I did not watch the 2016 game too much till the end so it was hard for me to say. They certainly competed well in that game though. On the flip side this GW team might have been the best of the 5 times they have faced off, although I am not sold that the 2012 version was their equal in many ways. They dealt with much stronger teams in the 2012 versions of PB,ED, Conway, and FS Southside that year on the first time up from 5A. They were not as prolific defensively, but every bit as much offensively with Drew Morgan on the field lined up at receiver or RB.
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on December 05, 2017, 02:59:32 pm
Yes I agree and that is part of the problem. You can argue a case from 100 different angles and no way to be consistent. I never said 7A is automatic in comparison to 6A. I do think this year GW is by far the class of 6A and there are a lot of 7A schools who would vie for 6A number two. The reverse can't be said that a lot of 6A schools this year would beat out Bennie, bennie west, Conway, etc. just one mans opinion and I have the utmost respect for GW team and PB program.
Totally respect your opinion and thoughts on this, 7A. I know you've said all year the GW team was good and one of the better you had seen. In no way, am I directing anything at you. In the end, it's all hypothetical and speculation anyway.
Quote from: PA Dad on December 05, 2017, 12:56:57 am
It's an interesting discussion. I agree that GW has a legitimate claim to No. 1.
But, it's also just an intellectual discussion. We'll never know because the teams will never play.
To me, it's like 2011. That's the only year that I would have bet big money that PA would beat any team in the state. But, we'll never know.
+1 PA, 2011 team would be hard to argue with as well. I mentioned some other years as well that I thought the overall best team may have been another team in a lower class.
What about all those great Shiloh teams? Did they ever finish overall #1
Quote from: 6ASOUTHPURPLECAT on December 05, 2017, 06:51:40 pm
What about all those great Shiloh teams? Did they ever finish overall #1
Boy 6ACat, I do not recall in all honesty, but I am sure someone does. Their have been some good teams in other classes over the years that probably could have played with most anyone regardless of class at least for one game. A whole season of 7A west in their pinnacle might be another story though, but it's certainly interesting to think of.
I for one as a super fan of high school football was glad to see both GW and NLR in person this year. Amazed by the athleticism of NLR. Amazed by the overall execution and flat out 100 percent effort by each and every GW player. They put in second team and ever kid knows where to be and they go 100 percent from snap to whistle. I saw that from Grant Morgan when he was on field this year for the hogs and just kept shaking my head in amazement. Anyway in my book it was another fun year of football even though my team had another down year. Still got to see the best teams in the state on more than one occasion. Can't wait to see the 4A battle as it should be a classic.
Quote from: businesstron on December 05, 2017, 01:50:45 am
Are you trying to make an argument that let say the top 4 teams in 6a are better then whats in the 7a? The 6a was weak this year. It's Greenwood gap Pine Bluff Big gap West Memphis another gap and then the rest.
You on something if you think Pine Bluff and West Memphis are better than Conway, Bentonville, Bentonville West, Fayetteville, and Bryant....heck Harber might beat them if their healthy.
PB had enough problems with Cabot and Northside early on. They are good but they are not what they were when they won their last title. Part of the reason is their young. They accomplished alot within the confines of 6a but that show won't get too far on the road.
The argument they should be #1 because they destroyed just Pine Bluff doesn't hold water. Who else did y'll beat? What other great offenses did your defense shut down?
I'd take Bentonville over y'll simply because they've played against offenses similar to Greenwood. They know how to play a team like that and win rather it be a game in the 20s or 30s or 40s. I also don't think they'd stop Bentonville's offense.
Greenwood would beat any team in the state this year. just the way it is
Quote from: PA Dad on December 05, 2017, 12:56:57 am
It's an interesting discussion. I agree that GW has a legitimate claim to No. 1.
But, it's also just an intellectual discussion. We'll never know because the teams will never play.
To me, it's like 2011. That's the only year that I would have bet big money that PA would beat any team in the state. But, we'll never know.
I will go along with you on that Dad. Definitely think PA would have beat any team that year
Quote from: Lumberjackfan1978 on December 06, 2017, 08:05:10 am
Greenwood would beat any team in the state this year. just the way it is
Based on what? Their schedule? What's their claim to #1 over NLR (who will end up beating probably 3 or 4 teams in most folks Final top 10 poll) or Bentonville (who beat 3 top 10 teams and the runner up in the second largest class in Oklahoma, Bixby). Compare that to Greenwood who would've beaten one team that will make it in the top 10 (Pine Bluff)
I don't see it. I don't say it to diss Greenwood too much , I'd put em at number 3 in the state. But they don't have many quality wins when you add in that statewide perspective. The same logic is used in College Football. Sure UCF looks awesome, they can score but they ain't in the CFB playoff because the AAC is weak compared to the the Power 5 conferences.
Also I'll usually vouch for smaller class schools if their good. For years I said PA could match up and probably beat 7a schools. That was based off the fact that they would schedule atleast one strong opponent (like they year they beat Highland Park in Texas or the year they went to California and beat a decent school. Greenwood doesn't have that this year.
Quote from: businesstron on December 06, 2017, 09:20:31 am
Based on what? Their schedule? What's their claim to #1 over NLR (who will end up beating probably 3 or 4 teams in most folks Final top 10 poll) or Bentonville (who beat 3 top 10 teams and the runner up in the second largest class in Oklahoma, Bixby). Compare that to Greenwood who would've beaten one team that will make it in the top 10 (Pine Bluff)
I don't see it. I don't say it to diss Greenwood too much , I'd put em at number 3 in the state. But they don't have many quality wins when you add in that statewide perspective. The same logic is used in College Football. Sure UCF looks awesome, they can score but they ain't in the CFB playoff because the AAC is weak compared to the the Power 5 conferences.
Also I'll usually vouch for smaller class schools if their good. For years I said PA could match up and probably beat 7a schools. That was based off the fact that they would schedule atleast one strong opponent (like they year they beat Highland Park in Texas or the year they went to California and beat a decent school. Greenwood doesn't have that this year.
It's real convenient that based upon your criteria 9 out of 10 years a team from a smaller classification will never be considered #1 because smaller schools in Arkansas don't play many bigger schools nor do they play out of state powerhouses.
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 06, 2017, 12:06:46 pm
It's real convenient that based upon your criteria 9 out of 10 years a team from a smaller classification will never be considered #1 because smaller schools in Arkansas don't play many bigger schools nor do they play out of state powerhouses.
Maybe convenient I guess but it's also fair. That's the way of the world. There ain't too many states where schools in lower classifications out rank the higher classification. But in those cases they do it's usually because they either played tougher competition or they played up.
I still think Greenwood would beat NLR just my opinion but we will never know
Quote from: 7AFBFAN on December 05, 2017, 08:01:17 am
I think PA and winner of 4A should be part of the discussion as well since it is all just opinion. My issue is downing other great programs to try and make yours look better and in the same sentence placing PB on a pedestal because of their history. I say give GW, NLR, and PA all the imaginary overall championship. They are all great teams in their own right and deserve respect. I wish hootens would pit some of these teams against each other in kick off classic next year. I would like to see GW play NLR or even Fayetteville in a real game. PA is already going to play Harber so that will give them a better overall measuring stick.
I am a big PA fan but I try to be objective and realistic, which I admit is hard to do. But, I don't think PA has a legitimate claim to No. 1 this year. I would put PA No. 4 behind NLR, GW, and Bentonville. And I've already said that I think GW has a legitimate claim to No. 1. I'd pay good money to watch NLR play GW.
It's also true that ranking teams is a hazardous proposition. PA beat McClellan by 40 points in the regular season and was lucky to win in the championship. NLR handled Conway easily but Conway beat Bentonville. Every game is different. If both teams are good it is very hard to consistently predict the winner.
Quote from: businesstron on December 06, 2017, 06:04:01 pm
Maybe convenient I guess but it's also fair. That's the way of the world. There ain't too many states where schools in lower classifications out rank the higher classification. But in those cases they do it's usually because they either played tougher competition or they played up.
Did you watch the 7a and 6a State Championship games?
Quote from: 6ASOUTHPURPLECAT on December 02, 2017, 08:23:26 pm
After watching them play twice I have to agree. They beat....no...dominated some very good 6A teams. I didn't see one area of their game that was suspect. Usually you can see a weakness in one aspect of the game on every team.....special teams, kicking, defense, linebackers, secondary....etc. But not this GW team. Complete team. I think even the training staff and ball boys were better than everyone else's.
+1
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 13, 2017, 01:18:01 pm
Did you watch the 7a and 6a State Championship games?
Yup... both In their entirety.
Quote from: businesstron on December 13, 2017, 03:34:43 pm
Yup... both In their entirety.
And you still think Greenwood is the 3rd best team in the state?
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 14, 2017, 08:59:41 am
And you still think Greenwood is the 3rd best team in the state?
Yup. They look good against who they play against. The problem is their competition ain't that great on a statewide basis when you get past Pine Bluff. Other than that I don't think they'd beat Bentonville or NLR. I do think they'd match up with NLR better because NLR didn't play against a spread team like Greenwood all year. Just as Greenwood didn't play against anything similar to NLR this year.
I don't hold the 7a teams in higer regard just bacause they are in 7a. I give them more because they are just better more talented teams (for the most part) when compared to the top teams in 6a.
Quote from: businesstron on December 14, 2017, 11:40:40 am
Yup. They look good against who they play against. The problem is their competition ain't that great on a statewide basis when you get past Pine Bluff. Other than that I don't think they'd beat Bentonville or NLR. I do think they'd match up with NLR better because NLR didn't play against a spread team like Greenwood all year. Just as Greenwood didn't play against anything similar to NLR this year.
I don't hold the 7a teams in higer regard just bacause they are in 7a. I give them more because they are just better more talented teams (for the most part) when compared to the top teams in 6a.
You obviously haven't seen much live football. Have you seen West Memphis or Eldo play in person? What about Texarkana or BennyWest? I doubt you did. You're a NLR homer who sat at WMS and watched a couple of games. Have you looked at the schedule of NLR? Not super solid! What about the schedules of Bentonville, Pine Bluff or Greenwood. Greenwood has played or scrimmaged everyone in the top tier of 7a. Year in and year out. Go look at the records. NLR and Benny would both struggle against Greenwood's defense. And there is no doubt that Greenwood could put up points on either team. Pine Bluff, ElDo, WestMemphis could all hang with Benny and NLR. Heck, I believe PA, Arkadoo and Warren could give them a great game. This I do know. The people that know football, and that know the 7A inside and out, know that neither Benny or NLR looked dominant in that final game.
Greenwood best in state. PA looked bad against average lrm team. Nlr struggled against weak Bentonville team. They all made too many mistakes and have too many flaws. Greenwood prepares well against any team. Greenwood best this year.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 15, 2017, 08:16:57 am
Greenwood best in state. PA looked bad against average lrm team. Nlr struggled against weak Bentonville team. They all made too many mistakes and have too many flaws. Greenwood prepares well against any team. Greenwood best this year.
+1 I've had some interesting discussions with you on here Lilbro, and I appreciate and respect your take on this!
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 14, 2017, 02:28:52 pm
You obviously haven't seen much live football. Have you seen West Memphis or Eldo play in person? What about Texarkana or BennyWest? I doubt you did. You're a NLR homer who sat at WMS and watched a couple of games. Have you looked at the schedule of NLR? Not super solid! What about the schedules of Bentonville, Pine Bluff or Greenwood. Greenwood has played or scrimmaged everyone in the top tier of 7a. Year in and year out. Go look at the records. NLR and Benny would both struggle against Greenwood's defense. And there is no doubt that Greenwood could put up points on either team. Pine Bluff, ElDo, WestMemphis could all hang with Benny and NLR. Heck, I believe PA, Arkadoo and Warren could give them a great game. This I do know. The people that know football, and that know the 7A inside and out, know that neither Benny or NLR looked dominant in that final game.
I've seen most of the 7a and enough of the 6a,5a,4a and 3a to have a good opinion of it. Pine Bluff/ElDo and West Memphis could hang with Benny and NLR? ArkaDelphia, and Warren could too? That's about the dumbest thing I've read this year. Stop hanging around the smaller class boards and go watch some big boy football. Also go read up. I'm not a NLR homer....not even close.
PB couldn't beat Cabot (Bennie killed them), couldn't score more than 14 against Northside (NLR killed them twice) and scheme wise are terrible matchups for Bennie and NLR.
Let's not even focus on those top two. Conway, Fayetteville, Bryant, and Bentonville West would almost automatically be the second best in the 6a. Pine bluff would give some of them a game but I wouldn't favor them by any stretch in any of them. Those 4 7a teams aren't better because their class says 7a. Their better because they are better on the lines and have more talent at their skill positions.
NLR and Bentonville would struggle against Greenwood based on what? What offensive juggernauts did Greenwood contain this year? Greenwood didn't face a team as balanced as Bentonville and a team that'll wear you out in the trenches and run the ball on you as much as NLR. The speed and athleticism for NLR is comparable to Pine bluff but two totally different offenses on different levels.
Looking dominant? That's kind of hard to do if both teams are good. You lose all credibility by adding Warren and Arkadelphia to the conversation.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 15, 2017, 08:16:57 am
Greenwood best in state. PA looked bad against average lrm team. Nlr struggled against weak Bentonville team. They all made too many mistakes and have too many flaws. Greenwood prepares well against any team. Greenwood best this year.
What makes Bentonville weak? Also what did Greenwood do to make them #1?
Quote from: businesstron on December 18, 2017, 06:53:28 pm
What makes Bentonville weak? Also what did Greenwooddo to make them #1?
don't have the time to teach you.
Quote from: businesstron on December 18, 2017, 06:51:12 pm
I've seen most of the 7a and enough of the 6a,5a,4a and 3a to have a good opinion of it. Pine Bluff/ElDo and West Memphis could hang with Benny and NLR? ArkaDelphia, and Warren could too? That's about the dumbest thing I've read this year. Stop hanging around the smaller class boards and go watch some big boy football. Also go read up. I'm not a NLR homer....not even close.
PB couldn't beat Cabot (Bennie killed them), couldn't score more than 14 against Northside (NLR killed them twice) and scheme wise are terrible matchups for Bennie and NLR.
Let's not even focus on those top two. Conway, Fayetteville, Bryant, and Bentonville West would almost automatically be the second best in the 6a. Pine bluff would give some of them a game but I wouldn't favor them by any stretch in any of them. Those 4 7a teams aren't better because their class says 7a. Their better because they are better on the lines and have more talent at their skill positions.
NLR and Bentonville would struggle against Greenwood based on what? What offensive juggernauts did Greenwood contain this year? Greenwood didn't face a team as balanced as Bentonville and a team that'll wear you out in the trenches and run the ball on you as much as NLR. The speed and athleticism for NLR is comparable to Pine bluff but two totally different offenses on different levels.
Looking dominant? That's kind of hard to do if both teams are good. You lose all credibility by adding Warren and Arkadelphia to the conversation.
You don't sound anymore credible when you trumpet the strength of 7A and leave out that your champion team struggled to beat not one but TWO 5A schools!
Quote from: zebradynasty on December 18, 2017, 08:58:54 pm
You don't sound anymore credible when you trumpet the strength of 7A and leave out that your champion team struggled to beat not one but TWO 5A schools!
You have somewhat of an argument but..... They only struggled with one of those teams. NLR also redeemed themselves by beating tougher opponents later on in the year. Parkview was a game because it was a combination of NLR sleeping and also the fact that they were playing against their former coach. I take that as more of a exception. McClellan was a better opponent and wasn't much of a game. NLR went up l34-8 in the 3rd NLR let off the acceleration before Mclellan started scoring. That's not really struggling.
I don't have to say much about strength of the 7a. Y'all already done it for me. Just about every poll rather calculated or opinionated that has come out has 6 7a teams in the top 10 rankings. That's more quality teams with NLR beating half them and the 3 they beat are ranked higher thant PB in alot of polls That right there makes the point. Go look at High Voltage's poll and see for yourself.
I still really haven't gotten much of an answer. What's Greenwood's argument for number 1? Them being number 1 just because they blew PB doesn't make sense because NLR beat 3 teams that are better than Pine Bluff. You can take my opinion on that one or you can just take where they stand in the polls.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 18, 2017, 07:05:09 pm
don't have the time to teach you.
No that just means you don't have an argument. Keep in mind I live in Bentonville. So i'd like to see what you have to say.
Quote from: businesstron on December 18, 2017, 06:51:12 pm
I've seen most of the 7a and enough of the 6a,5a,4a and 3a to have a good opinion of it. Pine Bluff/ElDo and West Memphis could hang with Benny and NLR? ArkaDelphia, and Warren could too? That's about the dumbest thing I've read this year. Stop hanging around the smaller class boards and go watch some big boy football. Also go read up. I'm not a NLR homer....not even close.
PB couldn't beat Cabot (Bennie killed them), couldn't score more than 14 against Northside (NLR killed them twice) and scheme wise are terrible matchups for Bennie and NLR.
Let's not even focus on those top two. Conway, Fayetteville, Bryant, and Bentonville West would almost automatically be the second best in the 6a. Pine bluff would give some of them a game but I wouldn't favor them by any stretch in any of them. Those 4 7a teams aren't better because their class says 7a. Their better because they are better on the lines and have more talent at their skill positions.
NLR and Bentonville would struggle against Greenwood based on what? What offensive juggernauts did Greenwood contain this year? Greenwood didn't face a team as balanced as Bentonville and a team that'll wear you out in the trenches and run the ball on you as much as NLR. The speed and athleticism for NLR is comparable to Pine bluff but two totally different offenses on different levels.
Looking dominant? That's kind of hard to do if both teams are good. You lose all credibility by adding Warren and Arkadelphia to the conversation.
You sound like an excuse machine! When we call you on your "logic" you start making excuses. Noone says NLR or Benny is bad, we all just saw that they weren't that strong this year. Greenwood has, over the past several years, shown that it can not only compete with the 7a, but also dominate the 7a teams. You drink the Benny and NLR koolaid all you want, but i promise you this.....Neither of those schools would want Greenwood this year! And most intelligent people on this board knows that. Pine Bluff in 15, could handle anyone in class 7a. You're a 7a homer and can't see straight.
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 19, 2017, 11:39:41 am
You sound like an excuse machine! When we call you on your "logic" you start making excuses. Noone says NLR or Benny is bad, we all just saw that they weren't that strong this year. Greenwood has, over the past several years, shown that it can not only compete with the 7a, but also dominate the 7a teams. You drink the Benny and NLR koolaid all you want, but i promise you this.....Neither of those schools would want Greenwood this year! And most intelligent people on this board knows that. Pine Bluff in 15, could handle anyone in class 7a. You're a 7a homer and can't see straight.
With a down Fayetteville and a split Bentonville now.... Just putting 6A and 7A in the playoffs together would have been quite fun and competitive to watch with Greenwood taking the crown. Under the 7A in a transition time I wish we could just see 6A and 7A together in postseason. I think it would actually create more competitive matchups. They tried to make things more competitive with the split of classifications but some years like this one it actually does the opposite and causes less parity.
Quote from: businesstron on December 19, 2017, 10:48:35 am
No that just means you don't have an argument. Keep in mind I live in Bentonville. So i'd like to see what you have to say.
what it means is that I don't have time to teach you!!!!
Quote from: businesstron on December 19, 2017, 10:48:35 am
No that just means you don't have an argument.
Keep in mind I live in Bentonville. So i'd like to see what you have to say.
bentoville made too many bone headed mistakes in title game. Bad snap on punt, really, in title game? Lack of focus and preparation. Bentoville west will be the new best team in town. Now don't waste more of my time. Businesstran
NI
Quote from: DoYouKnowWhoIThinkIam on December 19, 2017, 11:39:41 am
You sound like an excuse machine! When we call you on your "logic" you start making excuses. Noone says NLR or Benny is bad, we all just saw that they weren't that strong this year. Greenwood has, over the past several years, shown that it can not only compete with the 7a, but also dominate the 7a teams. You drink the Benny and NLR koolaid all you want, but i promise you this.....Neither of those schools would want Greenwood this year! And most intelligent people on this board knows that. Pine Bluff in 15, could handle anyone in class 7a. You're a 7a homer and can't see straight.
A 7a homer? I guess.. What excuses have been made on my end? How much 7a football have you actually seen this year? Greenwoods not a bad team either. They are a good team. They just aren't the 1st or 2nd team best team in the state. Your argument is weak because now your referring back to historic teams. Pine Bluff was a great team that could've competed with the top half of the 7a....in 2015. Not in 2017. My point is already made and validated by most polls showing the strength of the 7a. So i guess the whole state even computers are drinking 7a koolaid.
Once again what has Greenwood done THIS YEAR to deserve that number one ranking? The only people i see giving them the number one ranking are Greenwood homers. Here's your puppy logic. Greenwood is #1 because they blew out PB in the title game. NLR and Bentonville aren't because they didn't look dominant against eachother and umm the 7a is down.
Let's use that logic in college football I'll be generic. Let's say UCF looks great against AAC competition while Bama struggled with Auburn and Auburn lost to GA. Hey let's be real the SEC is down this year. But hey this is UCF's best team in 4 or 5 years. In your logic UCF deserves to be #1 because they look better against weaker competition.
heck no. Any intelligent person will tell you despite the SEC being down their best 4 or 5 years are still better almost all the teams out of the AAC. UCF may beat Auburn though....it could be a game but those conferences don't compare across the board.
The same goes for 7a vs 6a. You call it koolaid everyone else just calls it reality.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 19, 2017, 07:14:31 pm
bentoville made too many bone headed mistakes in title game. Bad snap on punt, really, in title game? Lack of focus and preparation. Bentoville west will be the new best team in town. Now don't waste more of my time. Businesstran
Wow you got all that by watching one game where Bennie played their toughest opponent and the #1 team in the state? That's just weak... Stick to watching Greenwood. Bennie had one big weakness on defense this year and I bet you can't name it because you probably haven't watched anything outside of 6a football outside of the state games. Also Bentonville beat West this year. There will be a time when West is the better team but it wasn't this year.
Watched more than 1 game. I guess I should have made a list for you homer
Said west will be. Even the mighty polls are against you
Quote from: businesstron on December 20, 2017, 11:33:45 am
Wow you got all that by watching one game where Bennie played their toughest opponent and the #1 team in the state? That's just weak... Stick to watching Greenwood. Bennie had one big weakness on defense this year and I bet you can't name it because you probably haven't watched anything outside of 6a football outside of the state games. Also Bentonville beat West this year. There will be a time when West is the better team but it wasn't this year.
Greenwood is 2 or 3 scores better than Bentonville.... And PA is too.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 20, 2017, 12:05:46 pm
Watched more than 1 game. I guess I should have made a list for you homer
Of course you did. That's why you can't name Bentonville's weakness this year. Stick to the world of 6a.
Quote from: jeffslilbro on December 20, 2017, 12:32:01 pm
Said west will be. Even the mighty polls are against you
Which poll..... Post it. I can find 5 that say differently.
Quote from: beach bum on December 20, 2017, 01:37:38 pm
Greenwood is 2 or 3 scores better than Bentonville.... And PA is too.
Elaborate.
Quote from: businesstron on December 20, 2017, 03:43:45 pm
Elaborate.
42-21 or 42-28 would be the score... That would be by 2 or 3 scores..... PA and Greenwood would be a good game on the other hand.
Quote from: beach bum on December 20, 2017, 05:27:29 pm
42-21 or 42-28 would be the score... That would be by 2 or 3 scores..... PA and Greenwood would be a good game on the other hand.
That's not much of an elaboration. That's more of a prediction. Tell my why you think Greenwood would beat Bennie. I like to get in the details of things but I'm a try not to so I don't overwhelm you.
Bennie faced spread offenses as good as Greenwood all year. Rather Fayetteville, Bixby, Bentonville West heck....even Harber when they were healthy. So even with a 4 star quarterback. Greenwood ain't doing nothing that Bentonville wouldn't of seen before.
Defensively Greenwood was good but look at some of the teams they played in Conference their offenses don't compare to what was in the 7a west or even the 7a at that.
I think Greenwood is about as good as Bixby is as far as team quality goes and I think the game would play out similar to a Bentonvlle Bixby or even a Bentonville/West game. Bentonville would give up points but would be able to score as well and probably make enough stops to win it.
As far as PA goes PA and Greenwood would be a good game because they are similar offenses. I think a NLR or Bentonville would beat PA. If Mclellan and their power running game gave PA problems then NLR and Bentonville would run all over them. Of course they'd score too but the bigger teams win in the end.
Yes, Greenwood runs the spread and has a 3-4 defense. They run everything Bentonville has seen before. The difference: they run everything better. Block, tackle, run routes, and prepare. Everybody has opinions. Seen alot of teams "play", seen only one team this year with a great defense.
Quote from: beach bum on December 20, 2017, 05:27:29 pm
42-21 or 42-28 would be the score... That would be by 2 or 3 scores..... PA and Greenwood would be a good game on the other hand.
Greenwood would smoke PA this year. Hatcher would get sacked a dozen times, throw 4 imterceptions and the Bulldogs offense would SHREAD PA's defense.
GO BULLDOGS!!!
Quote from: businesstron on December 20, 2017, 03:43:45 pm
Elaborate.
It would've been a great game, Jody Grant is a Greenwood alum so definitely would've loved the "other" parts of the game within the game.
+1
Quote from: businesstron on December 20, 2017, 11:24:26 am
A 7a homer? I guess.. What excuses have been made on my end? How much 7a football have you actually seen this year? Greenwoods not a bad team either. They are a good team. They just aren't the 1st or 2nd team best team in the state. Your argument is weak because now your referring back to historic teams. Pine Bluff was a great team that could've competed with the top half of the 7a....in 2015. Not in 2017. My point is already made and validated by most polls showing the strength of the 7a. So i guess the whole state even computers are drinking 7a koolaid.
Once again what has Greenwood done THIS YEAR to deserve that number one ranking? The only people i see giving them the number one ranking are Greenwood homers. Here's your puppy logic. Greenwood is #1 because they blew out PB in the title game. NLR and Bentonville aren't because they didn't look dominant against eachother and umm the 7a is down.
Let's use that logic in college football I'll be generic. Let's say UCF looks great against AAC competition while Bama struggled with Auburn and Auburn lost to GA. Hey let's be real the SEC is down this year. But hey this is UCF's best team in 4 or 5 years. In your logic UCF deserves to be #1 because they look better against weaker competition.
heck no. Any intelligent person will tell you despite the SEC being down their best 4 or 5 years are still better almost all the teams out of the AAC. UCF may beat Auburn though....it could be a game but those conferences don't compare across the board.
The same goes for 7a vs 6a. You call it koolaid everyone else just calls it reality.
Just because you say moronic things and bring up idiotic college football scenarios, doesn't mean it's true. It just means you know nothing of what you speak. But keep trying to keep up with a conversation about things you have no clue about. You'll make someone a great wife some day!